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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] javascriptvoid:
Thinking bout getting the active or reg s4. Does the reg s4 or active have an extended battery?? Im coming from s2. either way I'll pledge 15 for a root on this active. There really needs to be an ACTIVE forum.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
I'd imagine an extended battery would compromise the water-tight seal on the active, so that'd most likely be a no.

S4 does have multiple options for an extended battery.

And thanks for your contribution!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
There's extended batteries for the S4.. don't think there's any for the active yet.. just get the active and some spare batteries. you'll be good to go:D:D

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] alphadog00:
The connectors are in the main area so if there is an OEM wireless back it should work..as for putting a qi receiver inside - I can't imagine anyone would risk compromising the integrity of the seal. You only get one chance to test, and if the seal is not 100% then you ruined your phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] stephensonbrady:
So is getting root for this device looking pretty bleak? I don't really know much about the process is why I ask. Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Driggity420:
Phone just came out lets give it some time. Question is will we be able to run other Regular Galaxy S4 roms when we get root and recovery?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It will have to be through an exploit of some sort. Eventually they will find a way. Maybe not on this device but the note 3 or the updated s4. Once they find the exploit I'm sure it will work for us and we can live happily ever after. It just takes time and some of us can get impatient lol.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Hey while you're here, I think maybe we should make a separate thread just for the root bounty so it's easier for you and everyone else to keep track of? It looks like some pledges may be going unnoticed as this one big thread gets bigger.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I saw 2 of them but I haven't had time to update yet (doing it now). I just don't want to spam threads and get them locked. Do you guys think I should start a new thread?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] stephensonbrady:
That's not a bad idea to start one specifically for the bounty. And when you update it you can add names to the op will be a lot easier to keep track of.

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I'd just hate to take up too much room on the s4 forum.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
IMO we're perfectly allowed to make ourselves at home here until we get our own forum. As a matter of fact, I think the more we annoy them with our threads the more they'll want us to have our own forum. This thread has turned into general/OT talk and once we inevitably get our own forum it'll have to be split up anyway. In this one thread we have a good 10 first impressions/comparisons, couple submersion tests, talk of that AT&T deal, talk of root and firmware revisions, many Q&As, some info about cases/screen protectors(although most has stayed in that other thread),the root bounty, warranty info, photos taken with the device and then general talk.

Most of those things are worthy of their own thread. I'm actually pretty disappointed by how slow XDA has reacted despite multiple pages of people requesting us a forum.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Thread created, please keep all bounty pledges in the following thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2343366
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
There are a ton of accessories and more on the way: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133

If GB's on a SD card aren't good enough for you then you made the right choice.

Agreed, it's funny how many people are in an impatient frenzy.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
Dude I just realized there is no slow.motion or fast motion video recording either. I never saw anyone mention that :(

More than that though I miss the automatic night detection. I can understand downgrading the megapixels, but I don't see why they had to take some of those things away
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Kadin:
I'm 1 day away from my 15-day return policy with AT&T. Talk about waiting until the last minute to make a decision... ugh.

So far I'm not terribly impressed with what I've seen but I'd still like to have the latest. The water protection is pretty slick but honestly I've never had water damage become an issue. But now that I've said it...

Hope to read some impressions by later on tonight.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] oOamnesiaOo:
I believe it is a 14 day return policy.... don't want you to be caught off guard!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kyan~:
yeah it is 14 days
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
I haven't see the Active yet, but does the USB port cover seal out water, or is it purely a cover to keep the port from getting contaminated? for example I have several USB-charged water resistant or waterproof devices with USB connectors and they all have covers but the covers are just to reduce contamination. The USB connector itself is water sealed and even if open it's not going to allow water intrusion.

It would be difficult to say just looking at the cover, but if the literature with the device says to make sure the cover is in place before getting near water I'd say it's probably not a sealed USB port and relies on the cover.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Get some mineral water and be our guinea pig? :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
Well, since I said I haven't seen an Active yet.... I don't think AT&T would want me coming into a store and dunking their Active in mineral water ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
My bad haha. I do think the USB flap is required to maintain the water resistance. I just tried blowing into it and when I blew hard enough I could feel the back cover bulging full of air
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] oOamnesiaOo:
I would say its not sealed....there is also what looks to be LDIs underneath the usb pins.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ricktat:
So are you thinking the USB cover is only for dust?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] oOamnesiaOo:
i'm saying the cover must be properly in place to prevent liquid from entering via the port. In other words, keep the cover in place.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] stvmac11:
As far as cases, I hope they can easily drain water. I could imagine the Otterbox case always holding water. I wouldn't want to have to take the case off to dry.

that being said, I was able to pickup the S4 and S4 Active during the 50% off sale. I look forward to deciding which one I want, because the other will go to my dad :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Anybody else having issues transferring apps to the external SD card? The option is there in applications manager but it's not actually moving them to the card.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I really hope we get some developer support soon... The biggest reason I would want to root and rom this phone is to get key lime pie when it eventually comes out because we all know AT&T and Samsung aren't too speedy at updating.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
I had bought this case before I switched to the S4Active, do you guys think it will fit? Still waiting for it in the mail, but I'm hoping it will.....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joeybear23:
Probably won't fit. Active is considerably thicker.

I have both and had to order a case made for the active. So I have two TPU cases for my S4 and a snap-together case for my wife's S4A
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Blackberrynomore:
Well I returned my HTC One and got the Active instead and I am glad to be back on the Samsung team. Just could not get used to HTC'S UI. I have had the Samsung Infuse, Samsung Skyrocket and now the Galaxy S4 Active and I really like the Samsung UI. The other things was the lack of SD Card slot and lack of user replaceable battery. Now if we could only get ROOT for this phone and I need an Otterbox case and I will be set.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I haven't been able to get any properly made case to fit both correctly
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It won't fit right
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Anyone?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Mine seem to work fine.

Hey can everyone look around the bezel of their active and see if they can see a gap between the glass and the bezel? Mine is hard to see but above my ear piece on the front it does not have any adhesive. If you do have a gap have you tried taking it in water? I need to know if I need to get it replaced. Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Just tested. I'm not having any problems.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Are you guys certain? Have you verified that the files are on your external SD card? Mine acts like it's moving them, and claims that they are on the SD card but they are still in the internal storage.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
I think you're right.

We've been bamboozled!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It saves the app but not the app data
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
wireless charging

Hey everyone I have got wireless charging working on my active with a palm pre setup(the coil and the touchstone) as of now it appears the seal is not compromised and Ive got picture that ill post later when I get a second..

also on ebay this setup is like 10 bucks:) just took some DIY work:D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jimmietilt:
Looking forward to pics:)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Nice mod, pics would be great! You may even want to start a new thread for it so the mod/pics don't get lost.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Glad I'm not the only one with an issue. I already called Samsung and told them, not that it will do any good.

I don't think it saves anything to the external SD. Take it out and pop it in your computer, guaranteed there's no app files on it at all.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] planoman:
I never tried to save anything to sd card but when I removed my SD card before resetting it to return, I notice several apps were grayed out like they were on the SD card. Maybe the app has to support saving to SD card? Another reason I just can't get rid of my 32GB S4...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
I just accidentally figured out, if you hold the volume up button for a couple secs, while the screen is off, the LED light comes on. Volume down to turn it off.

Or am I late to that party? :o
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
That could just be because the phone thinks they are on the SD even though they aren't. If I look at my app manager, it says all my games are on my SD. They most certainly aren't. It's gotta be a bug.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
You're late to the party sorry bud

Yeah ditto. Samsung will have a fix out in 2 months and AT&T should be done testing it and have it pushed out by spring 2016.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
Heres the backround on what i did to get wireless charging going...

1) get palm coil and touchstone. i bought this on ebay for 10$ (just search touchstone charging kit)

2) carefully remove the coil from the back cover of the palm phone. plastic cover first then the rest.

3) what worked easiest for me was to keep all the coil stuff stuck to the removable plastic piece holding everything together, then you can simply stick it in the back of our active covers. (make sure when moving the magnets all the positive sides are facing towards the dock)

4) Connecting it. I tried doing this a couple different ways and i eventually ended up pulling tiny copper wire out of computer speaker cable and used it like a twist tie on the phone terminals (then small amount of electrical tape to separate them...which worked out fine)

I attempted to do the same on the coil side of the connection but that was a bust so i ended up soldering it.. not my first choice but since its on the palm coil not my active I did it.

5) you should be all good to go at this point:)

here are some pics too

and of course if you some of mess your phone up...its not my fault
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
That wireless charging mod is very cool.

I do think you should make another thread for it. I'm sure other people will look for it in the future.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Blackberrynomore:
Just looked at mine purchased today and there is no noticeable gap on mine what so ever.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Ditto
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Looks like I will be going in to the store Monday.... 2nd faulty active... My luck sucks haha not excited about setting it up again

For those interested in the palm pre mod I just bought it from http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271160246442
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Aside from this stupid apps to sd bug, mine is flawless. After coming from HTC and their HORRIBLE quality control, it's a breath of fresh air for me. I'm probably not even going to do the $400 phone/exception upgrade thing I mentioned before. Don't want to risk having an issue with a different phone. I can't tell you guys how happy I am with this thing. It makes me feel whole again. It takes away my loneliness. It makes me smile. I shout a silent shout of joy every time I unlock it. Yes, we are inseparable. My little buddy. Yep.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Haha I feel that way too but sadly I have had build quality issues on both... Which I wasn't expecting... Oh well

If I can get that palm mod to work and a bumper I was be in a dream world. Oh and root
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] colts187:
Anybody get a prompt for an update from at&t. I got one but I don't know what it was for.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah we all got that forced update but don't know what it was
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
For me it's just a UAG case (though the official Sammy one looks pretty slick) and root. Don't care too much for wireless charging because I just swap batteries. I can wait a bit for root, the phone is damn near perfect as is. Except for the dialer. Have I mentioned how much I hate it? Haha
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else. Is Samsung even aware of the bug? How can we report it?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
The SD bug _MetalHead_ mentioned?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Does it sit of the charger OK? The palm devices are a lot smaller than our s4 and I'm scare it will be too big. Can you show a picture of it on the charger?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
Yea no problem ill do it in a bit. It sits fine for me, its not super snug with my snap on hard plastic case but it still stays put...with out the case its solid:)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
Yup
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Another reason I love this phone. 18 hours I'm down to 25% with 3+ hours of screen time and this is average without root :) sometimes I get even better
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Yeah man, I'm averaging about 4 hours screen time, sometimes a little more. Couldn't be happier.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
I am not sure how you would report it. You could go to customer support and send them an email or use their chat. They may know already though..

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That is really exciting. I'm getting the phone next week, cant wait!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] d.cortez:
getting good battery life as well... this is good for a unrooted device with stock firmware. my brightness level is about 40%. i use my device for emails, calls, etc. no gaming at all, so i'm sure that factors into my good results. 18 hours, 43% power left with 4 1/2 hours of screen time is very good in my book. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jeremy1701:
Hi. A couple of things.

1. No gap between the bezzle and the screen.

2. I noticed a couple of apps sometimes use the 'wrong' sdcard mount point. For some reason, I have both /mnt/sdcard and /mnt/extsdcard. The actual card is the later, but copying apps to the card copies them to the former and some apps also seem to think it's the former. /mnt/sdcard is actually just another mount point on the device itself, not the card.

3. Also excited for accessories and root. Anything like an otter box would be awesome.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
My battery life was better on my Note 1. But the Active is giving me MUCH better battery life than my old regular S4 for some reason.

They have an Otterbox Defender coming. It's listed on AT&T and confirmed by Otterbox on their FB page. I'm trying to convince them to make an Armor case as well. Anyhow, there are about 3-4 rugged cases on the accessories thread, I'm getting one of them in the mail soon so I'll post pics at some point: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Those with great battery life. ... do you have Google Now on?

I have not so good battery life but I have Google Now and 4 email accounts in push mode.

Screen off.. is burning 1% per hour...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
My Google now has been on. I never use it but it's there
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
Google now sucks battery a lot

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Thanks for the quick response on Google Now, guys!

So I think we can confirm:

- No Google Now: battery life awesome

- Use Google Now: not so awesome

I can't live without Google Now, though, it's just such a great service. I just have to buy 2nd battery...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I use Google Now. I still feel the Note 1 had better battery life. But I wonder why I get such better battery life than the old school S4. I can't imagine it's just that the active has the better screen/TFT. I wonder if there's better firmware...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
I use google now and I get great battery life. All day with over 4 hours screen time. And that's with a couple hours of gaming.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ForkySpoony:
I noticed that too. I think the fake SD card is how they are managing encryption of user data on the device.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
And perhaps that's also why apps don't move to the external SD like they're supposed to.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
What's "All day"? 18 hours?

I get about 12 hours with 3 hours screen time.

Also, if you leave the device unplugged overnight, what's the discharge rate? Mine 1% / hour.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ForkySpoony:
Yeah, I think you're right. Neither the UI nor most apps are likely to be written with multiple SD cards in mind.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
16 hours give or take. I'd probably get a lot more, I usually have 20-30% left when I plug it in at night. I haven't done an overnight discharge test yet, I'll do it tonight if I can remember. I'm flying home today for the first time in 3 weeks so I got a ton of crap on my mind.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] d.cortez:
gotta wonder if it's the LCD screen. 18 hrs with 43% battery left is good for my usage, but it will never compare to the 24-34 hour battery life i got with my GNoteII (with the same usage pattern). :)

anyway, the mic on my Active quit working and i had to get a replacement. took it the att waranty store where they tested and confirmed it wasn't working. it was simply a defect, i never got the device wet or even close to sand/dirt. anyone else have mic issues not related to water, sand, etc.?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] :
Yeah luckily I bought a sealed s4 for 470 I was so lucky haha
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Driggity420:
Yea I am experiencing better batter life versus my old gs4 too
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
I've gotten pretty crappy battery life with my s4 and now my active. I get maybe ~3 hours of screen time with maybe 12 hours of use. I've only made it through a few days without charging it :(

also not sure if I want to get the otter box and have a virtually indestructible phone or just get the knock off looking one. I do have a cut down zagg invisible shield extreme on it already
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
If they come out with otterbox comutter case. .I'll get that

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
I think because I have these:

- 4 Gmail accounts (push mode)

- 1 Google calendar but with 2 calendar subscription

- Toodledo account syncing

- Google Now with most cards on

- Location Reporting

Yeah. .. it's a lot but these are important for me (not Facebook! )
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
I've got more than that, but less than what I was running on my i777 which I got atleast as good battery life

I'm running

-2 Gmails

-1 Email, syncs every 15(down from 3 I had before)

-Google now

-fb

-twitter

-instagram

-noozxoide

-neutron
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Use Wake Lock Detector to check what is killing your battery. I posted screen shots above and you'll see on mine, Google stuff are running THOUSAND times.... waking up my phone to no end. So is Kaiten mail.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
not really sure what to do with this info lol

I as well could not go without google now, it's just too great

ended up pre-ordering these two cases

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DJZZ9W2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

-black

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...pf_rd_t=3201&pf_rd_p=1280661682&pf_rd_i=typ01

-clear
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Bdev3:
Okay, so I had the Active for a week and traded it in yesterday (along with a $35 restocking tariff) for a regular S4. After a day with the new phone, I'm glad I traded, because..

-- Have developer support for new ROMs. Perhaps the S4 Active bootloader is either boring to developers or so gnarly they've been unable to crack it, either way isn't encouraging.

-- I'm enjoying the camera, which is noticeably more responsive with better results. The Active pics look much granier with the slightest magnification.

-- Not bothered by the AMOLED screen -- even in bright light -- its overall a nicer screen because of the deeper blacks

-- Happy to have a thermometer and barometer.

-- Not worried that once I found a case for the Active the overall package would be quite bulky

-- Pleased to have some or more of the protection of the Active with a nice Spigen or Otterbox case. Even with a bulky Otterbox commuter case, the original S4 has about the same proportions and weight as an unprotected Active.

I do wish best of luck to the Active community and this is just my personal experience and perspective. I'll miss the underwater pics, but won't worry about not being able to return the phone when that usb hinge breaks and the water gets in. So long Active, it was nice to know you, but I think you'll always be the ignored little brother of the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
I'm,considering paying ANOTHER

35 bucks restocking fee to trade back again to the s4. I really miss root and choice of accessories, as well as the extra camera options and mega pixels, not to mention apps actually saving to the sd card.. I'm not sure yet though, I do like the screen on this phone, the hard buttons and the color.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Lots of people are really quick to leave when things are looking bleak. You all have to be faithful! :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
Right? Some dev with this phone will want to make it happen. Especially if they see the bounty raised in the other forum. About $500. $50 of which is mine. I have faith

Sent from my GT-N7105