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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] NovaSlim:
Anandtech have some more info : here

Weight: +21g

Length: +3.1mm

Width: +1.4mm

Thickness: +1.2mm

Avliable in Gray, Blue & Orange, both the Blue and Orange color are very vibrant judging from the pictures.

The decision to use LCD over AMOLED is probably because water can damage organic materials in the OLED display, a brighter LCD also is more readable in sunlight. Although LCD is also a lot more prone to Glare in direct sunlight compared to SAMOLED which doesn't reflect as much sunlight. Although my GS4 is not as visable as my HTC One(replaced because Camera couldn't get enough detail for me in bright conditions) in sunlgiht but the GS4's screen is readable.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jetlitheone:
475 cd/m is the max brightness of the S4 thats out now
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] highaltitude:
I wonder if you could switch the "guts" of a regular into the housing of the active?

Sent from my GT-I9505 converted SGH-I337
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Nexii:
I just got my S4, might go return this one and wait for that one. Looks nice.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
That sucks. I was going to just shove it in and hope for the best. I hate not having a case. I might have to bench this phone until I can find a decent tough case.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] arcticwolf8:
That's what she said :P
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I really love this phone. It is so nice.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
not the best video review but I just recorded my thoughts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpMBIIiNSE&feature=youtu.be
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Nice review. I personally think the only thing missing is shock proofing, but it's close enough. I wouldn't even complain if there were some decent cases out.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp7n1PwjANA

This video shows a protective cover for the active. even with a small drop test ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Time to go to Hungary and get a case! I've always wanted to visit. There's a bumper case on the AT&T website now, but it's not available yet.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] whitecrane:
Pardon my newbishness, but even if the bootloader on the S4 Active is locked, wouldn;t the unlocking method to the standard S4 also work for this phone? The general concensis is that they are the same phone aside from a few peripherals. No?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dgbecker:
I'm also on the HTC One and thinking of going to the S4 Active. Are there any reasons you would suggest keeping the One over the Active (excluding the sweet front speakers)? The water resistance is what's really selling me on the Active.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
Personally I'd say the speakers are literally the only thing the One has going for it and that you should switch with haste.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It is personal preference. The HTC One has a sharper screen and it does look better but the S4 Active is very nice and has more features. I have also noticed that the S4 has much better battery. It's going to be a hard choice for me but it is getting easier the longer I spend with the active.

5 Inch screen seems like a sweet spot for me and the extra battery is nice. The camera is pretty good but the colors aren't as vivid as the regular S4 and HTC One. (a filter will fix that)

The speakers are still nice they are just not stereo or facing you. But they are loud enough for me.

The problem will be getting root access to even try the Loki method. Once we get root then we can try but without that we can't even flash a custom recovery.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] whitecrane:
Shouldn't that be the easy part? Why will rooting this phone (for a dev) be any more challenging (or different) than rooting the normal S4? I am thinking whatever steps taken to root the normal S4 would also root the S4 Active.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I hope but the last root method was found from an exploit so they will have to find another way in. AT&T or Samsung patched the first one. I hope it is easy but we dont know if the Devs are even interested in this device and we don't know if the Loki will even work once we get there. It could have been patched aswell.

It would be very easy if they left the bootloader unlocked. I have not heard confirmation that it is locked but I think it is. I'm not sure how to check. If it was we could get root, custom recovery and flash roms without Loki.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
The devs will be interested, they all like coffee and/or beer. And with this phone, they can spill it wherever they want. :D

So remember to buy them a cup of coffee or beer with the donate links, bc this website is about dev work more than anything else.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
lol, it would help if XDA gave us our own forum or subforum. If we ask [MENTION=4229979]djrbliss[/MENTION] real nicely maybe he can hook us up? I wouldn't mind donating some money for his trouble
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Amazon just got the S4 Active.

Dive Blue

Urban Gray
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] whitecrane:
If my opinion means anything, I can't imagine this phone's bootloader being unlocked. It takes Samsung no effort at all to lock the bootloader and they already locked it for the S2, S3 and standard S4 (Correct me if I'm wrong). As far as AT&T goes, have you guys been to their corporate stores lately? They are covered in banner ads for this new "beach proof" phone. This is AT&T's prodigy child for the next 3 months. Of course they want it locked. Remember, it's an exclusive phone.

Another question.

Isn't it possible to gain root access without unlocking the bootloader? I thought they were two different things. A rooted phone with superuser isn't necessarily a phone that can load custom ROM's, right?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
I'm not a dev but I'm going to try to explain this the best I can, albeit a bit dumbed down.

To answer your question, yes you CAN root without unlocking the bootloader.

However basically when you boot your phone what happens is there's a process that checks if the data on the phone has the right "signatures." When you first boot your phone and you see that initial "SAMSUNG" logo for 5 seconds, that's the bootloader. Its job, if the bootloader is locked, is to check the "signature" of the kernel/recovery partitions. If they don't match, the phone won't boot. Now, without the ability to run custom kernels, you CAN still run the stock kernel which is fine for TW ROMs but you won't get any AOSP goodness. Not to mention running a setup like this is extremely dangerous because if you softbrick your phone and end up in a bootloop you won't be able to flash a new ROM because of the lack of a custom recovery.

If you were wondering how Loki got around this: On boot it keeps the original kernel in-tact and then loads up a custom kernel in a region of the phone's memory who's signature is not checked on boot up.

This is how I understand all of these things, take it with a grain of salt because some of these things may be inaccurate. I'm not an expert and I don't claim to be.

Edit: Additionally, I had an AT&T branded S2(i777) and AT&T branded S3, neither have locked bootloaders. They also don't care about network locking the phone for exclusivity if that's what you're referring to. There's "secret" dialer codes you can punch in that can unlock the phone to be used on any network for free.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mbonus:
Good synopsis

Firmware is not yet showing up in the Kies program. Says something to the effect that this device is not supported to update via Kies.

I was going to try to download the stock firmware using the following instructions from AdamOutler in his factory Stock thread:

This should be the first goal so that if things go wrong, you have the ability to odin back to stock.

Baseband I537UCUAMF2

kERNEL VERSION: 3.4.0-784654 se.infra@SEP-107#1 WED JUNE 5 17:09:54 KST 2013

I think verizon s4 needed a pre-release kernel to work with motochopper, could be the case here as well.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AdamOutler:
You can also use this guide on a rooted device. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2082951
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mbonus:
Thanks Adam! Unfortunately, we are not able to root yet. The I-337-ATT-motochopper method doesn't seem to work with the i-537.

Maybe it's a long shot, but I was wondering if chainfire's CF-Auto-root would work. but I think we need the device's recovery.img before one can be built
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I really hope we can at least get root on this phone. I am liking it a lot more than the original S4. Only thing I would need it for would be to debloat and I wouldn't mind getting the dark blue dialer back. I'm not a huge fan of the white version.

Excited to see a plan in the above post. Let me know if I can help in any way (not sure if I would be useful but thought I would toss it out there)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Ilhare:
i wanted to buy the s4, but the cracking amoled made me wait for the active.

did anyone hear anything about this happening with the active (i am a newbie so i dont know if lcd means it cant crack that easy)

one more question is the screen/camera. whats your opinions on s4 vs s4 active.

(i know this was discussed a bit, but i have to make a choice in the next few days which phone to buy, so would be nice if you could give me some personal views =) )
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I have not heard of it cracking. I used mine a lot and had it in my pocket with no issues. The bezel is a tad bit higher on the edges so that may help.

The screen is personal preference. I love the active's screen a lot more than the original. It is more natural and is not over saturated or cartoonish. Might be something you should go to an AT&T store to find out which you prefer.

Either way you will get a nice screen :)

Camera does the job but does not compete with the original S4. The 13 MP has more vivid colors. But the 8MP looks and works great.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
and it is also beer-proof haha

@ 3.00

http://www.frequency.com/video/wasserfestes-samsung-galaxy-s4-active-im/103037896/-/5-1212510
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
So you like it more than the HTC One? If the camera is comparable I might be interested in looking into one. LCD is great for me since I use my phone out in the sun A LOT.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It's going to be a hard choice... Both phones are really awesome. I have 2 weeks to decide what I'm going to do. The LCD brings a more refreshing feel to the screen, the natural colors are nice. But the HTC One's screen is a lot sharper. They both will be amazing so I wont lose either way
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Its a-lot sharper? Well, it should be because it's 0.3" smaller but its just as sharp as the S3 SAMOLED right? Would you be able to comment on S4 active vs S4 vs HTC One camera?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
AT&T 50% off all smartphones .99$-199.99$

Edit: If you have a premiere account(Veteran, part of a large business/corporation and you get a monthly discount) you can visit http://www.att.com/ and order your S4 active. Mine came to $99.99 plus the "Upgrade Fee" because they gave me the privilege of purchasing a phone from them. If you're not a premiere customer you would have to add a line for the deal.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Compared to the S3 it is a LOT better haha. The HTC One LCD3 is similar to a retina display(but better) and can be hard to compete with. But the S4 active does a really good job keeping up.

468 PPI vs 441 PPI

here is a quick video I just made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blwAqvz__hw (it is sideways at the time of this post but I submitted the changes to make it landscape but youtube is still processing it)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
So when do we get our own forum? The phone's been officially announced for at least a week and it's been available at retail for a day now.

I don't mean to sound impatient but the S4, S3, HTC One forums were all created before pre-orders for them even began.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] silkshocker:
You don't get one because the Active is not that much different from the original S4.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] JasonJoel:
Well, it should get is own forum. So far it will need a different root method and will definitely need modified roms due to the camera.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Just picked one up myself just now. The LCD screen is much better in my opinion so far (compared to the s4) also, I have zero of the lag my wife's s4 exhibits.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] JasonJoel:
I switched from an S4 on Sprint back to an Active on AT&T (want happy with Sprint coverage).

Overall I like the Active more. Feels more solid, and I like the lcd on it just as much.

Do miss my flip view cover though.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I agree, I'm at the pool and have taken a ton of photos and videos under water. It is a lot of fun. Everyone at the pool kept looking at me. One guy is about to go buy one lol.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Any idea where the assistive light widget went?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] planoman:
Your are selling me on it too! Gonna sleep on it for a few nights...I wanted to at least see the reviews on the Google Edition HTC One...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Do you know about how deep you went? Do you think you exceeded the 3 foot limit?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
The panel, dimensions, camera software and root method(rather lack thereof) are all different. I would like to have an accessories page just for the active, I'm still looking for a case: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133

Anyway, going back to what XDA is about, from a dev side there are enough differences that there should be some division.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I stayed around the 3 feet range. It was hard enough to wrap my mind around taking my smartphone in the pool, going deep would be weird, I'm sure it can handle more but I wouldn't go past 8 feet because of pressure
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
What is that?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I've had a ton of phones and I just left behind my GS4 for the active. Love the screen so much more, the Active with TFT just renders whites so much better, the pink whites were driving me crazy on the sAMOLED.

Active is the best phone I've ever had. Much less lag out of the box than the GS4 in my experience so far.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
If we want our own forum we need to let our voices be heard http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1660354
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Just left my 2¢

Edit: We need at least one Recognized Developer onboard with this phone if we want any significant development/hope for root :(
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] d.cortez:
basic gel and Diztronic cases are the only ones i've seen so far. fyi, searching using Samsung i9295 seems to yield the best results. also, an fyi about the rubber seal (based on my Active): check your rubber seal to confirm it's affixed to the cover. i had to swap my back cover because the rubber seal had separated from the case.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yes, someone needs to help us out. Wish I knew enough
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Just posted a request for an Active forum. It's a different device, it's a no brainer that it needs its own forum.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Just saw that you're picking up your active tonight and thought I'd point this out to you:

AT&T 50% off all contract smartphones
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Thanks for the tip, I've only been using i537 for my seach.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Thanks for the heads up but unfortunately it won't apply to me- I'm paying full price for it. Not eligible for an upgrade till next year.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
its a widget that turns on your flash for a flashlight. However this phone has a cool torch mode (when enabled you press volume up with screen off and the light turns on)

Thanks, Hopefully samsung comes out with that protective cover+ on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp7n1PwjANA
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] G1_enthusiast:
anyone know if this will work on T-Mobile SIM?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Ditto, we need more requests! http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=42844254#post42844254

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I hope so as well, that Hungarian guy has my case! I have the volume rocker set to turn the light on, I like that feature.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Not unless you unlock it. According to another user on this thread the unlock dialer codes from the S3 don't work.

Simple answer: No, you can't.

Complicated answer: If you can wait until we get root, maybe.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] G1_enthusiast:
daaammmn ittt T-mobile F*** up big time getting the XZ...i have it now and its a ****ty phone :(
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I agree and the screen breaks easily. Get the active off contract and unlock it :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Just got my Active!!! This thing is AWESOME! I already like it better than my One :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I told you :) it is so much fun. I also like the color better than the S4 black
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
I knew it was gonna be great but man, this thing reminds me of my Epic 4G Touch which, even though I love HTC phones, was my favorite Android phone.

On a side note, I don't know why review sites are calling the screen a downgrade from the regular S4's, I think it is MUCH nicer.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I couldn't agree more. Why Samsung uses ADMOLED instead of this LCD it beyond my comprehension...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Yep, I much prefer LCD.

Side note- I just noticed the dialer. Holy hell is it godawful. What is with this white crap? I was expecting to see the nice old black dialer that I had on my S2, but mine eyes hath been offended. It's gonna take some time to get used to, if I ever will. What. Were. They. Thinking. ??!!??
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
i agree!

the international S4 and Active have dark blue and it looks so sexy. That is the main reason I want custom roms
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Edit: Might be a bad meme but I had to find a way to express my disappointment without looking like a spoiled brat :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
Then you completely didn't understand the whole point of the "first world problems" meme.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Anyone else get an update?

It didn't even give me the choice to wait.

Sent From My Galaxy S4 Active using a Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Well yeah, it was supposed to be a joke..

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Don't do it! It's a trap!

Just kidding :D but seriously I wouldn't do it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
Yep i just got the update too and was trying to stop it at all cost and then it just shut off and started updating:///
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Now I'm afraid of turning my phone on.

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Years ago I refused to go with Samsung mainly because of their oversaturated cartoonish looking AMOLED screens. I finally changed my mind with the Note. But the S4 just displayed the whites horribly imho and the auto brightness was so dim. I am so much happier with the Active and the LCD.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Wait so the phone auto-force-updates?

Every handset should come with a complimentary bottle of KY :lol:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] geoff5093:
I got the update on my Active too. I canceled out of the update, then about 20 seconds later it said my phone was going to restart in 5 seconds...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] G1_enthusiast:
any idea how to unlock it?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Try cellular unlocker they normally do it for around 15
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Yep, same here. Should try moto rootchopper again for the hell of it

Sent From My Galaxy S4 Active using a Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] d.cortez:
i left mine for 7 minutes, come back and i see the att logo, then it reboots to... "Android is upgrading...". can't remember for sure, but did the version change from MF2 to MF3?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Are you sure it was a green android? I just had the att death Star with a percentage bar.

Sent From My Galaxy S4 Active using a Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] d.cortez:
you are correct... i was updating my post when you made yours.. wonder what i gave up with the update.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Mine hasn't updated and shows mf2
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] JasonJoel:
At last yours did the upgrade while you were awake... Mine did it in the middle of the night last night and woke me up. Was not impressed.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Forced updates...AT&T, you shouldn't piss off the people that everyone follows. I've recommended a ton of people to AT&T, but I could just as easily start steering them elsewhere.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
I haven't gotten any update yet. Any word on what it includes?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
does anyone's power button creak? Mine started creaking today and it feels less responsive. I may need to exchange it...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] arcticwolf8:
I posted a thread on it earlier. Motochopper doesn't work still.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
What kind of Antutu scores are you guys getting? Mine seems pretty low compared to regular S4s, around 17000.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] arcticwolf8:
16224
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fsufan1200:
19957
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I just came from the Galaxy Nexus to the S4 Active and so far I love the phone. I can't wait to root it but I think I might keep TouchWiz on it unless a good TouchWiz ROM comes out. I also have taken a few pictures underwater in the pool and it works great!

One problem I am having since this morning is that the phone keeps saying I put headphones in it but I haven't... I also just got that update last night. I wonder if it could have something to do with it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] iTchill:
Does anybody know if the active will be release in canada and if so when ,i cant wait to put my hands on that device !
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Make sure there's no water or dust in the headphone port. Someone reported that problem a few pages back.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I did take pictures underwater yesterday, it probably is that. I blew out all the water this morning in the jack (there was apparently a little bit), it should be Okay now. Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
What does Samsung have to do with AT&T's updater?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I updated the OP with links to request our own forum, accessories and root status. I will keep it up to date with all the threads for our device. Let me know if I missed anything. I also added videos
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Fixed, thanks, I need to sleep more.

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Good job, hopefully things will start rolling soon.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] planoman:
I currently have a S4. We are near the water a lot in the summer and I like the thought of having a S4 Active. I know the camera is not the same as the S4. To those who have or have had both, how does the camera compare? I know that the S4 can take pics under the water but how about in other settings? Thanks in advance.