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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
Me. I have the bodyguardz glass screen protector. It's OK. It was easy to install, but I lost the stickers that came with it for the home button, so now the home button is a bit lower than the screen itself which is a bit annoying. But I will probably email them and see if they can send me another sticker.

That's another thing holding me back from getting the Active, is that I spent 35 bucks on the screen protector and there is no way it will work on the Active with the physical buttons (it only has a hole for the home button). Just as an FYI, the screen is just as responsive, and air view and hovering your finger and all that work just fine with it.

Q
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
review of sammobile

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/06/25/review-samsung-galaxy-s4-active-gt-i9295/

btw, can someone test if it works with thick gloves, preferably leather?

I want to use it for navigation on my motor ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] wgarrido:
Hi, I am seriously considering the Active, but the non root so far is really stopping me. I have a SGS3 and my data is backed up with Titanium Backup. How is everyone restoring their app data? I have other apps that work for restoring text messages that don't need root. I was thinking Helium\Carbon but I would have to create a new back and I don't have all apps installed right now.

I like the LCD on the Active, the camera I can deal with. I love the look and the heavier feel of the Active and of course the other features its known for.

What do you guys think?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I don't have leather gloves but I find the screen worked with whatever i put over my fingers... that was without sensitive mode enabled. I don't think you will have a problem
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Can't you use Titanium Backup to restore your app information without having root? It's been a couple of years since I've used Titanium, so it's just an honest question.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Another convenient sale!

http://www.xtremeguard.com/Samsung-...p/s4-active-screen-protector.htm#.UcoDUPnFUfU

Apply coupon code "Xtreme75". Makes most screen protectors $1.25 including S4 Active!

Props to slickdeals yet again

Edit: Stupid me didn't realize how water might affect the screen protector, I'll be sure to check that out! I bought three because the price was right and I can cut them for other devices anyway.

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Need root.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Thanks for clarifying on root. I also posted your comment to the accessories thread(post #3). I saw the same deal on slickdeals also, I decided against it though, some people say it's a pain to install and grippy. But I've heard very good things about their refund policy, so at that price...why not http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
My phone's taking forever to get here :crying:

Think AT&T had all their packages stopped and audited in the UPS system, because they are now intercepting those no-contract orders that managed to slip through the cracks. If you ordered a month-to-month S4 Active I'd check your tracker for "Shipment exception."
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] echonc:
Check this out we have source code! Does this help in any way? http://tinyurl.com/o9xbaaw
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
I'm sure that would be invaluable to any developer looking to create custom ROMs.

And there lies our problem.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I'm surprised we haven't had any developer interest yet. Unless they're already working secretly and want to surprise us with root. /wishful thinking
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
S4 Google Edition tomorrow. Let's hope something happens that breaks development for the S4 and conversely our device wide open
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
It's mighty tempting, hope the active isn't overshadowed by the Google edition launch and excitement

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] aggieman:
Getting bored of the Active already? :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
It's great, but having a strong lack of developers would be a major drag down the road.

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] aggieman:
Yea I can see how that would be a detractor for some. Still have my nexus 4 around and may keep my One and ditch the s4 so I can play around with those if development is slow on the Active. Its a shame this device is what the "flagship" gs4 should be. Beautiful screen. Great feel. This is the first night I haven't wanted to pop the sim in my One in a while.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
Watch the Google Edition get their own Forum before we do....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Should we start a small bounty for root?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Yes

And then pitch in to buy an Active for a Cyanogen dev
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
Well I think first we should get one of the developers on board with the idea in the first place (not that I'd expect one to say no with a free phone). I just think it's strange we haven't heard anything from any of them.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
IMO we should wait it out. This phone went to retail I think four days ago..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dinglayne:
I'll chip in...just to get things started!

Let's get a dev on board! then root! then our own forum..." they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!!!"
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I think you're right. This phone will sell big in the summer. Devs will come. The cool devs at least, who enjoy the beach, pool, fishing, kite boarding and all types of water sports.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
Related to the phone in general, did we ever figure out exactly what that auto-update did that seemingly everyone got?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
I agree with both...bounty for root and be patient considering it hasnt even been a week...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
If we don't have system dumps to compare then I don't think anyone will actually know for sure..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I will chip in for the bounty! If we want to start I will put the total on the OP and a standard disclaimer that says something like "Must be repeatable by the average user, much allow root etc." If you guys start saying your pledges I will start post on OP. I am so curious to see if the Loki will work once we have root
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
Ah, okay. I wasn't sure if maybe someone noticed a new feature / lack of feature, or anything else noticeable.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Only because there's a 200% chance a new root method will be found for GS4 or GTab 3 series and then there's a good chance it'll work on our device.

But Umm.. I really wanna see Adam Outler unbox one of these.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
I already said id drop $10 down for whoever gets a root out for out actives lol (djbliss root method thread)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I agree we need a Active brian like [MENTION=3682533]AdamOutler[/MENTION] on our side :) still wouldn't hurt to kick off a bounty.

EDIT OP updated with bounty, please make your pledges if you want to contribute.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] pixelsquish:
interesting phone but the lack of a 32gb option is a deal breaker for me
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah, I wish 32 GB was the standard but it isn't :-/ my sdcard makes up for it. Still, I'm very happy... this phone is so much better IMO than the S4. I played with my dad's S4 tonight... the screen just couldn't keep up. He bought an active shortly after comparing the two lol
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Just an FYI:

$24 is a great price = http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009QZH7BU/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah i got a 64gb off ebay for 20. It has been working great :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] pixelsquish:
it does look nice. the other issue is the buttons. i don't even like having a physical home button, having all 3 being physical would be a constant nuisance. gonna have to get to a store to check out both though. someone will root it soon enough i am sure.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I felt the same way until I got it. It takes some getting use to but it is nice to not accidentally tap a button when you are in a game or typing something. Having to push it down makes it a lot nicer. I'm happy with the buttons. I'm coming from 3 phones that didn't not have any physical buttons pantech burst, htc one x, htc one
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
It's definitely weird for me too having physical buttons as I'm so used to my nexus. But I've gotten used to it and I like them. It really is nice to not accidentally hit the soft keys.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kbmapper:
Thoughts on this review?

I'm so close to jumping from my HTC One X to the Active, then I read this review. It seems the only review I've read where the call audio is reported to be lousy. I'd love some owner input here!

www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=12580

Thanks,

Kevin
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] stephensonbrady:
I switched from the HTC one x as well and love the active. Call quality is just fine and the phone is great.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
I must say I've been loving everything about this phone...however my call quality hasn't been stellar by any means. .. could just be me but it seems if you get it wet it takes a while for call quality to get good again

either way I usually just plug in a headset so it doesn't really matter. .. Oh almost forgot I did have that issue that another member posted about the phone thinking headphones are in when they're not.

But it went away after a few hours, I'd be great if there was some little plug we could buy just to keep crap out.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
Thanks, how is the call quality when it hasnt been wet though? Im surprised phone scoop said it was so bad, I wonder if maybe they just got a bad unit?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Globel:
If water is in the mic hole. it sounds like crap and some time it can sound like your in a tunnle. If you get the water out it works like new... same with the speaker. it will almost go silent with a little water in/on top of it. a light shake will fix these issues. No under water calls sorry.

side note. any one find a take apart tear down video?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
Call quality is great when the phone is dry and hasn't been exposed to the water. For those who will take it in the pool, I tried putting tape over the headphone jack and microphone ports and that worked for me to protect those spots while swimming and my call quality was good after swimming. This isn't necessary but if you're really nervous about water getting inside it's not a bad idea.

I think someone should manufacture an underwater bumper for this phone that covers all the ports around the phone.

For those thinking about getting this phone over the s4 I definitely recommend it. It really does work great in the pool and all the features are great.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] planoman:
I like that idea of a bumper to cover the headset jack and mics if using in water!

At this point I would just be happy to have a case. I keep checking the att stores. My active is on home duty until I get at least a case. It is heavier and feels more slippery than my s4.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
I know the others are saying you just shake it off but my girlfriend still says she can only sorta hear and hardly at all on speaker phone needless to say id still choose this leaps and bounds over the regular s4...which I returned to get this, so ive had both.

also I could have one of those unlucky units so I cant speak for others this has just been my case
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I've found that straight out of the pool, the regular call microphone doesn't work well, but the speakerphone microphone works fine (Also used for S Voice and Google Now) Anyone else have this result?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
Hmm thats interesting ill have to give that a try! Also I used it tin the shower and on a call speakerphone is usless but regular use actually works fine as long as the noise canceling is on!:cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] shizenyasuya:
why do you need bluetooth tethering? do you have some device that can connect to a bluetooth modem / pan but not wifi?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] christophermdiaz:
Yes, Google Glasses, the way it works is through a Bluetooth Tether. I can work around by Bluetooth connecting it then add in a wifi hotspot from the phone, but then its using 2 connections and draining battery faster....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Being that I'm still within my return policy I'll be honest I've been considering the Google edition now. :-/

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
after playing with the S4 last night I could not downgrade to a superAMOLED again... just ugly IMO
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Yea, I love the LCD on the active

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
How come, just because you prefer the Google edition, or is the Active giving you problems? I'm strongly considering going to the att store on my lunch break today and exchanging my s4 for it.

Is it true that it's missing the picture in picture camera mode too? Like where you can take a picture of yourself at the same time as using the back camera? Sorry if this has been addressed already and I missed it...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
The benefit of Google updates and Dev support should already be huge. I have a feeling the active might end up like an lg device. Which is sad because I like the screen and build more. It's missing dual shot, but that's something I rarely used anyway.

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Just give me root and let me install the apk's from here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2315779 and I will have everything I want. Already this phone has every feature I could want, just spice up the dialer and remove bloat and I will be extremely satisfied
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
BT tether uses a LOT less power when actively being used and you can leave it enabled 24/7 without it draining your battery like Wifi Tether does when not being used.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] rhkean:
timing is wonderful some times...

S4 Active released on 6/21

2 year contract with my SkyRocket became eligible for upgrade on 6/24

online upgrade sale at at&t.com

Ordered S4 Active for $100.00

woot!

(now, if it would just get here!!!!)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] shizenyasuya:
Ah, that's a very good point. I usually just leave my phone plugged in when i tether. also my computer's bluetooth never wants to connect to my phone for anything other than audio, but that is still a very good point. one I'll take into consideration when camping or when the power goes out.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Same thing happened with me.

Except I was eligible July 4th from my S3 and asked my mom nicely if I could borrow her upgrade for a week :D

Edit: Not sure if everybody is aware but if you have an AT&T Premiere account(you get monthly discount from your employer/serviceman/retired servicemen) you can actually get 50% off all phones even if you are still in a contract. Just tested on my sister's line, she's not eligible until this time next year and she is eligible for all phones at discount price.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
Ordered then canceled the Google edition right away. Something about $700 did not appeal to me

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Not worth it for a phone that we probably can port at some point.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lirong:
I saw this asked earlier but didn't see an answer...

One criticism I read about the s4 camera was low light performance and a slow capture leading to some blurry shots.

I saw a comparison of outdoor pictures between s4 and the 8mp on the active. Anyone experience how the cameras compare on these other use issues?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
I tend to use it with a 'retired' phone I use for GPS only and my tablets. Actually never tried to see if it works for laptops etc, I haven't used a laptop in a long time except at work. :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I noticed some blurring between both devices. I'm going to upload some pictures later on tonight. But the blurring may have been my own fault I rushed it a bit comparing pictures in an AT&T store
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I used to hate accidentally hitting those soft keys on my Note. One of the big pluses for me is the physical buttons.

I was using sAMOLED yesterday at SeaWorld in the sun and it was driving me crazy. I'm almost never out in the sun, so that wasn't the deciding factor, I hated the way sAMOLED displays whites, they look pink on the regular S4. I am so much happier with my Active.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] cardinalryan:
All due respect, it doesn't sound like you have a fundamental understanding of photography. I am a professional photographer and, first and foremost, you cannot evaluate the quality of a camera based on a 5-inch screen that has not been calibrated. I really can't say which camera is better, but that determination cannot be made without prints or a fairly large calibrated display.

Also, as for the megapixels...this is without a doubt the most overrated and least understood factors of digital photography. Once you have surpassed 4 megapixels, more megapixels only come into play if you are cropping. These smartphone cameras all use very small sensors, so the reality is that eight megapixels will produce more pleasing results than 13 megapixels. That's just too many to cram into a tiny sensor.

Manufacturers are only cramming more megapixels into these cameras for one reason and that is because consumers THINK it's better and that leads to more sales.

Enjoy.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
I've read that too, regarding megapixels, but at the same time there are many experienced reviewers saying the s4 camera is better that the Active. If you look at the pictures in this thread from both phones the Op has, you can see right away a difference in color brightness, and I looked at them on my phone. I'm not disregarding anything you said, but I'd still like to hear

Matt's opinion on what he sees. This is driving me nuts, I just want to decide already whether to keep this s4 or get the Active lol.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
So the obvious point is.

MOAR MEGAPICKELES DOES NOT NECESSARILY MAKE IT BETTAR. It depends on the sensor itself. $random 8mp might be better than $random 13mp, or the other way around.

All cameraphone sensors suck compared to real cameras.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Still to this date I haven't had a cell phone that has taken better photos than my N73's 3 MP camera. That thing was boss... Honestly 8 MP is great, 13 is better (we are talking about samsung lenses) but 8 is not bad at all. If you feel better about yourself because you can take 'up to' 13 MP shot (usually default it is around 9 MP) then get the S4 with the worse screen. If you dont mind a little less vividness(which can be added with filters) the active is for you. I'm not planning on blowing up my pictures to be huge either way. I am SO happy with my choice to move to the active... No regrets so far.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
True, I don't plan on blowing up my pics either, but I may crop some and am worried the less megapixels may make those less fuzzy. Although your right that the default is 9 megapixels, that also means the default for the Active is only 6 megapixels, which troubles me as well. As long as they perform the same in all other respects (like low light situations), that would be a plus. I really just need to get to the att store and see an active for myself, hopefully I have time tomorrow..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
Picked up the S4 Active yesterday...I like it much better, specially the screen:D:D

for those of you who have the S4 and don't want to give up 13mp or a few other features that the active don't have, you always have the Option of getting your Phone water proofed by Liquipel.. just saying;);)

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] robstunner:
No one else wants to drop a few dollars for root bounty?

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
In regards to my post about megapixels, I later clarified what I meant based on what I actually saw in the results of the comparison photos I took. Sorry about that.

Also I noticed today that my phone was still set at the default 6mp and changed that over to 8 and noticed a difference in quality. But again I didn't mean to say that more mp is a better image but the comparison between the s4 and active definitely shows a difference
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I know a lot of people talked about it but didn't put their money where their mouth was
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Just got my Active in the mail a little while ago!

I'm coming from an S3 and I must say there's a ton of differences. First, this phone really does fly. I can pan and zoom in Chrome with zero rendering lag. The screen is amazing as well. Colors look amazing and the default lock screen really shows that off. The screen is also much sharper - keep in mind I came from the 720p S3. Out of all Samsung's "gimmics" my favorite by far is WatchON. Once it knows what you like it suggests shows and can put them on as you select them - no need to remember any channel numbers. I can't compare speaker volumes because my S3 had a 200% sound mod that made it ridiculously loud. The physical buttons also don't bother me in the slightest and I'm coming from an entirely capacitive S2 and an S3.

Tl; dr This phone is awesome and an excellent upgrade from the S3 and maybe even the S4. Nova launcher makes me feel right at home.

Did anyone notice: on GS4 Active review units it said "Waterproof" next to the headphone port and on ours it doesn't? I was trying to prove to my dad this phone is waterproof and said "see look it says here next to the headphone jack." I walked away from that looking mighty stupid lol
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bubba9004:
I ordered one yesterday and should have it tomorrow. I'm debating now whether I should order another active or reg s4. I know my wife doesn't care about her phone being rooted/customized. So if the active doesn't get any dev support, I could just let her have it and I could have the reg s4. I've become too accustomed to being able to customize my phone that I don't think I could handle not being able to.

What does anyone think?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Honestly, I'm happy with just using nova launcher. Provides all the customization I need.

With that, remember: Buy a phone for what it has now, not what it might have later.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Root is highly likely. Even if there isn't big dev support, with root most users can kill the bloat.

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After coming back to TFT, I don't think I can ever go back to sAMOLED
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
I do plan on putting my money where my mouth is. But I and I'm sure many others would rather take the "wait-and-see" approach at least just for a little bit.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I understand I was just messing around. I just personally would like to motivate them now