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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
People keep saying there's no development support for the S4A. You do realize it's only been out for less than 2 weeks, right? The S4 has been out for more than two MONTHS. It's kind of unfair to compare the development support of one to the other, especially when you consider that right now, only one carrier in only one country even has the S4A, and you know that isn't permanent. I get that one currently has root and the other doesn't, but that can change in a heartbeat. Prove that the Google Edition S4 ROMS are easily migrated to the non-GE phones, and you'd at least have an argument, but so far, even that hasn't been fully proven (as far as I know... again, things like this happen in a heartbeat).

I keep hearing people who rave about the S4A, but who ultimately choose the S4 because of root capabilities. People, please. If you want to go S4, then by all means, please do, but do it because of the 13MP camera, or the extra sensors, or just because you like the color options. Any of those are fine, but to do so because of the availability of root or wireless charging, both of which will almost certainly be available shortly on the S4A... well... it just screams impatience.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] stephensonbrady:
Well said sir. Well said. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
You only have 12 posts since 2007, but that was profound. I would never go back to my S4 that felt cheap in hand, had pink whites, dim in the daytime, poorer battery life and just looked ugly compared to the beautiful blue-green Active. But, I can respect people who admit they just want more megapixels, colors or sensors. It's hilarious that people think this phone is doomed because there's no root after a week and change.

And there's already a ton of accessories that are at the very least good enough to hold me over until I get a nicer case.

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:confused: You kids and your skinny jeans. My generation doesn't have a problem with a marginal change in phone size and we don't stifle our boys.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
Well spoken posts are better than those who spam and are unhelpful to newcomers.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Thanks for showing us all what a useful post should look like :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
I have no wisdom to share XD maybe when I get my phone I can be helpful..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Blackberrynomore:
Well I have had the phone for a couple of days and I think she is a keeper for sure. Root would be nice but I am sure that will come in time. It is far superior to my trusty Skyrocket which I had for two years and was the longest I have ever kept a phone. This phone doesn't seem to lag nearly as much as my Skyrocket did and that was a constant frustration. The battery seems a bit hungry but no worse then the Skyrocket. I don't have any plans to go swimming with the phone I think people who do are tempting fate frankly speaking. I got it because it gives me an extra measure of protection that regular phones do not currently possess. I do need a case and I am waiting for the Otterbox to be available as I love the Defender case which I clip to my belt as i work all day at many different client sites and use the phone extensively for work as an IT Support Engineer. I am loving the phone so far and even if it doesn't get root (unlikely) I think I could live with it anyway. Plus I have run many different ROMS on my Skyrocket and not a one of them performed flawlessly there was always something weird with every single one of them. Not poking fun at the devs who do amazing work but I think they just don't get the custom roms perfected like the OEM roms as far as everything working properly as they are not getting paid to do this and have limited time to work on them. So once they get it to a point they are satisfied that is it. I will continue to try different roms but my guess is that I will continue to see quirks in every rom that is released.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Bdev3:
Guys, didn't mean to inflame any sensibilities. I gave six reasons for ultimately preferring the original S4, and developer support was just one of them, and a minor one. I'm sure this thing will get cracked eventually and know it's getting the highest levels of attention (http://rootzwiki.com/topic/44121-sgh-i537-i537ucuamf1-galaxy-s4-active/). I'm a flashaholic though and must have had hundreds of Roms on my captivate, so since I waited three years to upgrade, I don't feel the need to suffer through this phone's growing pains. Doesn't mean it's not worth waiting for if you like the rest of the phone. But I'm coming from the tiny little Galaxy Captivate I've had since 2010 and want to move up to a phone with as minimal a profile as possible. I'm 49 and tend more toward comfort fit than slim! I'm not spending a lot of time in extreme environments, don't need the extra bulk of the active, loss of its features, and actually do like the camera of the regular S4 a lot better. So it made sense for me to switch personally.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Oh believe me... I totally get the desire for root access. My OG Droid had so many ROMs on it, I started to worry about the number of rewrites left on the flash memory. Once I got my GNex, I calmed down a bit on the ROM flashing, partly because I suddenly started to see value of a stable, working, phone, but also partly because the lack of Bloatware on Nexus devices negated much of the need.

I'd love root access on the S4A, not because I'm dying to flash the latest Cyanogen daily or some other ever-changing mod (although I'd never speak ill of those who do), but because it would enable me to unload some bloat and free up some precious memory. I almost chose the S4 for that very reason (and wireless charging... oooh, I want that in a bad way), but honestly, when I held both in my hand for the first time, the S4A had me.

Now, when the Nexus 5 (or whatever) comes out, and the S4A still hasn't been rooted, I'll probably be singing a whole different tune... but for now, this little beauty has me willing to wait and see.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
I used to need root for a lot of things, now I need it only for TWO things: Ad blocking using Ad Away and freezing apps that cannot be disabled using the ...umm.. "Disable" feature in the Application Manager.

I don't flash ROM, I don't need TWRP. I can do backup of my apps using Helium without root. It is actually much nicer than Titanium Backup because the app backup is immediately available to all my other devices (Nexus 7, Sony P).

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If and when Samsung comes out with wireless charging for the Active OR some smart dev figure out how to hack the cover, I'll buy it right away!

Opening and closing the rubber thingy getting a little bit old for me, since I use the phone for navigation.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
I think I figured out something that forced update did. Unless I'm being stupid, I can't seem to find the glove mode option in the settings anymore. Maybe they removed the option and left it always on?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kbmapper:
It's still the last entry under display settings on mine.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Hence the "unless I'm being stupid" part of my post.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kbmapper:
Blame it on the heat! :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
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Just so you know, if you look back through my posts I explain how I set up wireless charging for ten bucks;)

Re: the person asking for more pics I made a video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvO01b1CKBk
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I really think you should open a separate thread for that. It's definitely worthy.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I agree, I think this thread will be good for discussion and more of a reference page in the OP with all the links so it is a one stop shop so it is easier to find threads. It will take me a few minutes to find the original post with the how to guide once my touchstone arrives. This can be resolved with a separate thread and I can add the URL to the OP.

Guys, please help me to keep up with all i537 threads that I may miss. I think until we get our own form this thread can become our section. You can come here to find all resources for our device without going through hundreds of pages/threads to find what you are looking for. You can PM me or quote me to let me know if/when I miss something.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Thanks for your hard work. I'm updating the accessories thread which is a fraction of this one, so I can appreciate that it can be hard to keep up with. I really like that you have it listed in the OP. I have a link back to this thread as well to keep us organized.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Thanks, I'd already seen that, and in fact ordered a similar Palm Pre kit to follow your example. It just hasn't come in yet. Still... I'll always be worried that the mod will affect how well the back panel seals operate, and thus, the water resistance. I don't plan on dunking the phone in the pool or anything, but still...

Even after I've performed the mod... if an OEM wireless charging back comes out for the S4A, I'm all over it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bdgarel:
Ahh I see well I definitely agree with you and my seal seems to be fine but Im still not purposefully taking my phone in the pool like before...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
Did the overnight discharge test, passed out around midnight with 98% and had 91% when I woke up around 10ish. Had a ton of texts and a missed call so the phone wasn't sleeping the whole time.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
I used mine in the hotel hot tub the other day and this ~4 year old kid walks by and says something along the lines of "i wouldnt take my phone in there, what if it got wet and broke?!" His parents had regular s4's on verizon and were a bit jealous for sure
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
My dad had an iPhone 4 and I kept rubbing my phone in his face. He marched down to the AT&T store yesterday and traded his iPhone in for the S4 Active.

He got $120 for it which is about as much as we could've gotten for a black 8gb in fair condition too, so not a bad deal. OTD with an Active for $100. He's a 60-something, too, and had a predisposition for Apple products.

Tl;Dr I do agree that it's easy to be jealous of this phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Thanks! It's kinda in-line with mine - 1% per hour and my phone also have stuff running in the background (Gmails mostly).

Not sure now what happened with my normal daily use, since I get 12 hours during that time. Maybe something is running when I turn the screen on?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] _MetalHead_:
It all depends on how you use it. For instance, if I'm doing a lot of reading, like long articles on websites, I'll get a lot better life than if I'm constantly loading new pages and playing games. Talking on the phone will shorten my battery life, sending a lot of emails too. If you get 12 hours with near constant and heavy use, that really isn't all that bad. Especially if you've got stuff syncing all the time. Just do what I did and get an extra battery or two. I don't even really look at my battery gauge anymore. Battery life is a complete non issue for me seeing as though I can swap batteries when needed. I forgot how much I missed that freedom. Haven't been able to do it since the Epic 4G Touch days.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
I do turn it on a lot to check emails. I guess the many on-off kills the battery, in addition to the many essential background services I need for my job.

Yep, have to buy a 2nd battery ASAP but Samsung is out of stock...:mad:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
Beach-Proof . . .

I don't plan on taking my my phone swimming, soaking in the hot tub, or taking pictures of thatbigmoose in the shower, but it is SOOO nice to be able to simply do things near the water without having to worry about my dang phone so much. I had an Otterbox for my last phone (Atrix 4G), and I can say that it never did seal very well. I had water inside the case a few times, but never enough to damage the phone. Still, it was enough to cause concern about accidentally dunking it.

Now, I am wondering if I can attach a float to it. If it does fall off of the kayak, dock, edge of pool, etc., at least it will not sink beyond the rated depth limit or go down somewhere that I cannot find it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
I was thinking this as well, a floaty case would be awesome, they make a floaty backdoor for the gopro to serve this function and itd be great for this phone
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
LOL, you know you've spent some time on this thread when you make shower pic jokes/thatbigmoose. It would be nice if it floated, that could come in handy when I go kayaking.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mazlin:
+1 to that. A kayaking incident is why I am now awaiting my Actives arrival.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
Go with anker batteries from amazon.. they are cheap in price and are as good as official Samsung batteries. .I have 2 of them that I bought when I first got the S4 back in April:D:D:D battery life is the same as official Samsung batteries. .

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
I have used Anker battery before for my Galaxy Note 1. They works well, EXCEPT when used for car navigation (GPS ON, WiFI ON, BT ON, screen 100%) with USB charger connected to it. When the battery is less than 60%, a warning pops-up on the Android OS telling me that "Charging has stopped due to the high temperature".

I contacted Anker and they've great customer supports and tried to replace the battery. I tried 6 of them, all exhibit the same problem. So it's something in the Anker battery circuit that caused this.

No problem at all if I use Samsung OEM battery (I have 3 of them).
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
for note 1.. that must of been a long time ago. .I think their batteries now are Betters when compared to those from back then...

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Actually, very recent - just a month ago. Yeah, my Note 1 is very old but was still functioning well. The Anker battery is very new though, ordered 1 month ago. Replacement was sent 2 weeks ago.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] planoman:
The Cappy was my first android! You did not inflame anything. You are spot in on your comments and reasons for going to the S4. I had the S4 first and got the S4A because we are by the pool etc a lot in summer. After a week of no cases etc, I took it back. Nothing to do with root etc, but I know the looks of a phone that is not being supported. I do not take my phone out without a case on them period, especially when I pay $640 for them...anyways I do think this phone will always be second to the S4. The manager scoffed when I told him my reasons for returning but had to agree that this phone was not being supported like it should with accessories. Samsung itself just put the phone up on the website a few days ago. While returning the S4A I grabbed a Lifeproof case for my iphone 5. While not as nifty as a S4A, it does the job and I am not afraid I might drop it or something like that...

Maybe my expectations are too high, but that is what I did, I wish you all the best, the S4A is a great looking phone! Maybe I will grab on in the future once they have all the stuff I want for it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
The Active is sold out on the AT&T website, I just asked why my phone hadn't shipped and they said it was sold out and they have no estimate when it will be back in stock. :crying:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Time to start the rumors and speculation!

I know, they're recalling it!!

Anyone can come up with a better rumor?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
Lol I read the email from your reply.. But only saw the part about recalling it. I had a mini freak out :(
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
It still shows in stock on att site.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] msn.debord:
Yeah I know, and it still says pending shipment on my order.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
On slickdeals.com when theywere talking about the recent sale, half of the people were getting the Active, more than those who were getting the s4. As many of these as they have out there, they would be stupid not to make cases and accessories for them. You never know though
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
I found a decent looking case on amazon. Made in the usa. But I noticed that almost all of them are preorder. Almost like theyve been told to hold off until a certain date. Maybe a bigger rollout from att?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
I think the lack of accessories is due to Sammy just throwing the phone out there, out of nowhere. I like to think I'm pretty on top of what's coming, and I didn't hear about this till about two weeks before the release date. Now all the case manufacturers are like WTF?! Where did that phone come from!?

Just my thought though.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Nah, AT&T has already started rolling out and marketing this thing hard. Watch any TV lately? Can't go a single commercial break without seeing the ad for this thing.

They're probably holding off till euro release or need slightly more R&D time as I doubt many accessories manufacturers got to play with this phone early.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] WarHawg75:
Noob

Howdy all,

FNG here with a new S4 Active that I picked up today. I have been snooping around here for a week trying to figure out whether or not to get the vanilla S4 or the Active. I went to the store, picked the S4, then said the heck with it I really want the Active, and had the guy go get that instead. The sensible me said the S4 will have all the cool accessories and ROMs, but I couldn't resist Actives screen, build, and brilliant blue color. Lets hope the cases and extended batteries roll out sooner than later! They guy at the AT&T store said folks are really gravitating towards the Active...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
Hahaha I do watch tv. Apparently not the same programming as you but today was the first time I had seen a tv ad for it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
There are over 20 cases just on the accessories thread. I can't even keep up with all the accessories that are already out. There are even more coming. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133 Your post is filled with the same speculation involved with many great products. I personally can't imagine customers going forward not being tempted by a waterproof phone for their wags and kids.

There's a reason it's sold out. I was told at Radio Shack and the Best Buy Mobile that they are dying for some Actives because everyone's asking for the waterproof Galaxy. They didn't have any cases in store, but I have some on the way from the bay anyway.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
I am sticking with my earlier post. I think maybe it was recalled due to a lack of overall seaworthiness. Like the Titanic, they sealed the outside well, but they didn't pay much attention to the fact that it will sink like a rock. :laugh:

The engineers may be scrambling to develop a small high tech case that automatically inflates when the phone reaches the pressure found at a depth of 4 ft. The new jacketed case will also contain an EPIRB app that will activate when the case inflates. Your GPS will switch on, your phone will send out VHf signals, and your camera flash will begin signalling SOS so that the Coast Guard can find your phone quickly after it has been sumberged.

ATT&T will begin to offer the optional coastal rescue plan for $50 per month

I can imagine that over the next few years many of these phones will wind up at the bottom of the sea, lake, river, etc. It may become legendary like the old Timex watch commercials where a diver finds a phone that has been at the bottom of a lake for five years, replaces the battery, and it boots right up.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] SoullessGinga:
That would be neat. And it seams they are all sold out just as Im about to go get me one but its fine I really want the orange one don't like the blue and the gray reminds me too much of my Captivate.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
I'm not an expert by any means but I'm 90% sure they're not getting the orange one and that'll be Europe only. But if they do, rest assured I will be pissed.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joeybear23:
Many of us are accustomed to the layout from Samsung... I can see what you're saying, but my Android experience has been mostly with Samsung devices, so Back is where it has always been for me.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] MRMNYC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SR1tCDxqS2Y

Possibly coming out tomorrow?!?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I saw that :) I really hope so. I will swing by to play with it ASAP and if I like it I will sell my HTC One :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
who is switching? Preorders tomorrow and it will be there on Friday (next Friday) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d04Mn-5SQKU
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] vinuneuro:
It's worth it if the screen doesn't shatter the way the S4 does without a case. It'll be too bulky with a case. Even then losing the S4's camera is a big compromise to make.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AutoUnion:
Someone trade me their Active for my new S4? :)

- sent from Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It probably will, BUT the bezel on the Active seems a little bit larger so I may not crack as easily.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
no one has it ;) but I have a shiny HTC One raring to go if anyone is interested once it does come out
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AutoUnion:
No thanks lol. I have the One and have been trying to sell it for over a week. I can't get even get $450 for it. They're going for like $420 around there. S4s are $500+

:(

- sent from Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Is that silver? Is it mint?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AutoUnion:
Yeah, silver. Basically new. Box and everything. Its a shame because the One is a decent phone, but they just screwed up some fundamentals with it.

- sent from Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Unlock it (about $15), get S-Off then ebay it you will get more for it. Wont hurt to put 4.2.2 on it
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
My question about s will it garner Cyanogenmod support. Otherwise Meh.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Christopher3712:
You think so? It appears most people don't even take advantage of the 13MP feature. A lot of users I know are using the 9.6MP feature because it's the default. When it comes down to it, the S3 had an 8MP wide screen shooter and that worked well enough for us last year. I don't think it's too big of a step down from 9.6 if you're one of those users. It's still the same sensor, right? I think I could live with that. The industrial look to it and durability make it a whole different kind of sexy...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I'm hoping that besides the screen and camera that everything is the same so it may have some of the pros. We just dont know yet.

I wonder if we will get our own XDA forum or not. I really hope so

I will be fine with a 8 MP shooter, the S3's camera is fine with me :). It will be nice to not have that "oh crap" feeling every time I enter the pool and fear my phone is in my pocket. If it is oh well I might as well just take some photos. I also will like the LCD screen and I hope it is not as slippery as the current S4.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ap3604:
I'll be getting the S4 Active when it comes out.

Pretty much the perfect phone for me :victory: