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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] cobyman7035:
Can u install nova lprime launcher over stock touchwiz without. Rooting

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
I've used it on several phones without root.

Functions that require root will be useless, if there are any.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] cobyman7035:
Well u need root to install lots of good apps like titanium backup and adblockers

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
Since the ability to disable apps and bloat in the apps menu, I've had no desire to root. It's the same thing as "freezing" in TBU. In fact,I haven't used Nova or Apex on the last couple phones. I don't mind Touchwiz.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
You didn't use the quote function correctly, if you need help with that just inbox me. And I apologize for defending the Active on the Active thread :confused:

Anyhow, you're entitled to your opinion and I did say in my review of both that it is subjective. But the fact remains that people have a psychological response to marketing. And megapixels are just one of many things that dazzle people into believing their camera is better. It's like a Jedi mind trick, it only works on the weak minded.

I'm sorry if I was frank, but I haven't been on this forum much in a long time. It used to be mainly filled with developers that didn't get butthurt by facts.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
I know how to use quote, I just deleted part of your comment to shorten to the necessary part I was addressing, and accidentally deleted a character I guess that messed it up. I'm on the xda app, which just requires you to press "quote".

First of all, you weren't just defending a phone, you made it personal. Second of all, you're still in the s4 forums, so let's not get all territorial here : ) I don't want to make this into a big thing, it's just that as someone who's on the fence between exchanging her s4 for the active, this thread has been invaluable to me, hearing everyone's opinions. If you are someone who already has the active, I can see how it can be annoying having people ask over and over if the camera is worse, so honestly I sympathize with you there. I just really appreciated everyone sharing their honest experience, so it kind of bothered me when you said that. I'll leave it alone now, no hard feelings.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Moving along...

There's a ton of Active cases on the thread linked in the OP. However, I want more. Please help me make noise on these pages:

https://www.facebook.com/LifeProofCases

https://www.facebook.com/BallisticCases Hydra Series please, I'd love to double up my protection!

https://www.facebook.com/tridentcase -- They're FB page says their devs may be working on something, I think we need to make some noise!

https://www.facebook.com/otterbox -- The AT&T page has a Defender coming. But I want an Armor!

Also UAG (Urban Armor) has some really popular products, suggest a case here: http://www.urbanarmorgear.com/pages/uag-labs
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
This confirms it for me, as fun as it is to take it into water I think I will keep mine away from it. The water feature was just a plus for me but the screen is the main reason why I love this phone so much. I'm happy with it regardless of water proof technologies. It is exactly what I was hoping for, a S4 phone without a StupoLED screen. It will hold me off until I see what next year has to offer with phone :) Wouldn't mind sticking with this for a while
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
AT&T's commercial for this phone has a person in a pool with it, I don't think they have much to stand on about "water damage". The problem is, people are going to exceed the depth limit or not put the battery cover on right etc and intrusion is going to happen.

So how could AT&T possibly make the call on defect vs user error without sending the phone off to be examined, pressure tested etc.. Note that none of this would happen in reality.

So I suspect if it really came down to it and a lot of Active users suffered from intrusions at specified depths/pressures, a class action suit could possibly make a difference. Otherwise AT&T will fall back on their standard water damage is not covered.

IMO the case design is poor. A little rubber seal in the snap on case is too easy for someone to miss a snap or something. Or a little piece of something in the seal as they close it, etc. A solid rear case with screws would have been the way to go to get a solid seal. However, Samsung didn't want to put out a really rugged phone as their market would be limited, so they went with this design.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
Agreed, but I'd feel safe with a waterproof phone combined with a waterproof case. I hate relying on 1 piece of equipment, but 2 I'd be comfortable with. My post that was right before yours was in hopes that we could get an all inclusive case wrapped around our Active:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ewa12321:
Waterproof Water resistance

Not only on SGS4 Active warranty is voided when water damage is present.

Xperia Z and other Sony water resistant phones are not immune to water, are dust and water resistant up to one metre for up to 30 minutes. If it does manage to get water inside, it's won't be covered by warranty. Its written in manuals so Samsung is not different. Its user job to check if ports and other parts are secured, if you not sure than avoid water with any water resistant electronic device.

I want to buy SGS4 Active, i was dreaming about Samsung phone but with LCD display. Water resistance is nice feature, quite often i wanted to clean my iPhone display with water. One thing i cant understand, why Xpreia Z display is working with wet screen and wet fingers and Samsung didn't implemented this feature in SGS4 Active? Why no 32GB option and no thermometer? Thats little bit disappointing, but i prefer replaceable battery over one use device (when battery is bad than buy new one such thing im not accepting)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
:welcome:

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you on most points. I know the 32GB option is important to many here, I have a 32GB card that never gets close to filled, so it's not my thing. But it is important to my wife. We're thinking about upping her to a 64GB card on the active.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
More realistically, if AT&T starts getting a lot of water damage claims like this, they'll simply retire the phone to limit their exposure. They're not afraid of a class action suit, because they'll likely just have to waive ETF or something, but will be allowed to require the phone be returned (when suddenly, they'll submit it to Samsung as "clearly defective").

In the meantime, if you have the ability to record off youtube (or TV, or wherever), it might be a good idea to record the AT&T commercial, and have it handy. I don't plan on dunking it in the pool or anything, but if my Active is damaged by a quick rinse or splash, I'll definitely be playing that commercial to the manager and throwing a hissy of epic proportions. Here's a link to the commercial.

EDIT: Ooh... I just found their teaser for this phone, which is even better. Now, I'll have TWO commercials to play during my hissy! Here's a link to their teaser commercial.

On another note, I'm coming from a Galaxy Nexus, and I was REALLY torn between the red S4 and the grey Active (actually, I'd rather have the orange, but it's not out yet). I went back and forth, and finally went to the AT&T store to play with them both. Once I held them in my hands, the choice was obvious. I just like the look and feel of the S4 Active way more than the gel-plastic S4. Coming from the nice textured back of my GNex, that S4 just feels... slippery. The camera seems perfectly fine to me, and if I need a 13MP photo, I'll use my Digital SLR. Heck, in my opinion, if the Active had an IPS screen instead of TFT, it'd be perfect. I'm even kind of digging the physical buttons again -- something I haven't had since my "Pocket PC" days.

In short, this phone has certainly scratched the itch I was feeling for the Nexus 5 (or whatever they'll end up calling it). It will certainly keep me happy until that phone comes out -- maybe even beyond.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I really like my S4(other than the horrible pink whites on the sAMOLED screen), but feeling them in hand side by side...I just liked the feel of the Active much more, it made the S4 feel flimsy. But that's very subjective and at the end of the day I'm putting a case on it either way. I notice no difference in the cameras other than a nicer bokeh and faster low light focusing of the Active. The extra megapixels may come in handy if I was blowing pictures up to be huge or doing crazy cropping, but like you, if I need the higher megapixels I'd grab a DSLR and not bother with the S4 or the Active...they both have the same lens and it in no way is anywhere near the quality of a DSLR.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
You came from the Gnex like I did and I completely agree with you on it. Plus I was originally waiting out for the Nexus 5/Moto X but this phone impressed me so I went for it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Is anyone else curious if the s4's 13 mp camera will have the same connector as our 8 mp? I know it will take drivers and modding the rear cover just to get it to fit but my mind wonders...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ricktat:
You do know that they Active already has the update to transfer apps to SD card just like old Froyo.

I was suprized by this.

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The Active feels exactly like an updated GNEX to me.

I am only worried about the USB cover. I dont think it will last very long.

VS my S4 regular I would say that I would rather have the non-clicky back button on the Active.

Now I have to decide which one I am keeping or just keep both.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
Figures...They're just now coming out with a case for the s3...

LifeProof commented on your Wall post.

LifeProof wrote: "Hey David. We don't plan to make a case for the Galaxy Active right now but thanks for your feedback!"

Otterbox response...

OtterBox commented on your Wall post.

OtterBox wrote: "Hey David, We do have a case coming for the S4 Active but unfortunately we do not have an Armor Series for that device."
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Okay, so... IPS screen and wireless charging, and the Active would be perfect (IMO). Hopefully, that latter will come soon, because you're right, with daily charges, that stupid cover is going to drive me crazy really fast.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lirong:
One of the reviews said the call quality on the Active was noticeable bad. Like it was really poor and made a big difference in the usability for calls.

Experiences with this?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
Regarding the water/dust resistance, it is something that I would definitely not count on. AT&T may have made a mistake by promoting the underwater picture taking. I live in a small island close to the beach. I bought this phone for the fact that it is RESISTANT to water, but I will not treat this one any differently than my previous phones. I have successfully dried phones that have been briefly dunked in fresh water, but saltwater is a definite phone killer. Even if you get the water out, the salt continues to corrode anything metallic. All it takes is one grain of sand in the seal of the back or the USB cover, and you will likely be on the losing side of an argument with AT&T.

I agree with others that have said a waterproof case would provide the additional protection needed to actually use in the water on purpose. I would still pop off the back each time and check it for signs of water intrusion and/or sand, dust, or lint around the seals.

Even if AT&T replaces the phone, who wants to waste the time to get it replaced and to set it back up again.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
I saw that review. I think the call quality is great. Have someone call you with an instore S4 Active if you want to see for yourself.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] OneStepAhead:
Searching for Galaxy "S4 Active" seems to work too.

Just an FYI, we at Diztronic will be releasing the following: Matte Back Black, High Gloss Black, Matte Back Gray, Matte Back Blue and High Gloss Blue. Our Matte Back Black cases are the ones we are making first and we are currently on schedule to ship them July 1st. We did our best to create a blue color and a gray color that will compliment the blue and gray versions of the phone. We are only taking orders for Matte Back Black at the current time. I don't have a solid ETA on the other colors yet, rough guess is 5-10 days after Matte Back Black.

Also some of you may of noticed i-Blason is releasing an S4 Active case as well. I noticed it on Amazon. Much to my surprise when I clicked on it they had actually copied our product description word for word and just changed Diztronic to i-Blason!

Diztronic:

i-Blason

I'll never understand why Amazon sellers can be so shady. :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
That ain't right. Thanks for calling them out on it though, that's good to know. I actually was looking at their rugged case, but it reminds me too much of the Seidio rugged cases, now I wonder if they took their design ideas from Seidio. Anyway, I had a bad experience with that years ago on my Evo, those Seidio cases were complete junk.

I have the Diztronic case posted on this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2331133

Keep making noise!!! The person updating the FB feed also said there'd be no Defender...this was days after the Defender was listed on the AT&T website. So they really may not know, cases are a huge business and some of these companies don't always communicate between departments.

Either way, if we're annoying enough, they'll probably tell someone who makes decisions.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
Ballistic Cases commented on your Wall post.

Ballistic Cases wrote: "We will have some cases for it, yes ;)"
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
Because the Xperia Z does no such thing? You can't touch the screen underwater or while it's very wet. AFAIK both the Z and I assume the Active would do this as well basically "disable touch" while they detect its wet so it doesn't randomly detect touch input all over the display.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] davidusr:
Otterbox may come around on the Armor Series...

https://m.facebook.com/#!/comment/r...903003&gfid=AQAEoaCoJHhkNP76&__user=641217523

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Anyone ever used these? Saw a guy at the water park with one on his S3. Couldn't even tell it was there.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CSXVHUO/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1372438811&sr=8-3&pi=SL75

I'm gonna order one to see how it fits the Active.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] raitchison:
To be clear we did not compare how the pictures looked on any external screen, the big issue for us was the consistently (universally) slower focusing times with the active as well as the general difficulty focusing on close-up objects.

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Nice assumption, FTR I was pushing for the active and was even thinking about swapping my month old S4 for it (after all I was paying for the thing) but I could not disregard the shortcomings of the active's camera, which had zero to do with megapixels. For me time to focus is critical because I can't tell if a picture is slightly blurry when I'm taking it and I hate to take a picture (actually I usually take 2 shots planning that one will be slightly out of focus) and then find out when I get to a computer to look at the picture(s) to find out that it/they are unusable.

As I mentioned above I did not compare the quality of the finished pictures on any external screen nor did I make any assertions about that.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mbonus:
No, locked and different bootloader

Also, I loaded the mf1 odin oneclick for the i537 that is pre release stock.....

motochopper: Fail to root :(
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Have we even determined that our BL is locked yet?

Also, how are you sure that international image won't flash? Did you try?

Not being snarky just wondering
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mbonus:
Bootloader lock = Write Protection: Enabled in odin mode

I did try the international (ill advised)

The one positive is that the odin one click on rootzwiki did work to downgrade the firmware from mr2 to mr1.

We at least have a stock firmware that is loadable through odin.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Can you link me to the page with the stock firmware downloads? I'm gonna start screwing around but wanna have a backup plan

Edit: What happened when you tried flashing int'l ROM?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mbonus:
Threw an error right away - fail

I don't know if I am allowed to link the file by designgears: google: sgh-i537 rootzwiki and it will pop up right away
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] zhchaoxing:
I am new and I want to make a pledge of $20, how do I do it?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
We don't have an organized way of actually collecting the money; we're taking everybody's word for it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I am going to post up there myself. Because the Defender has been on the AT&T website as coming soon for days.

But, I really want the Armor series. They seem to think that because the phone is "waterproof" we won't need the Armor.

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iirc, wasn't your experiment in the store. I tested both phones while I owned them both in multiple venues and multiple light situations. I also tested two Active's and two of the plain Jane S4. Did you test more than one Active? And did you test in multiple lighting types and levels. Did you try seeing the pictures on a decent monitor? Did you try printing any of the pictures? I did all of these things and my study was still not very scientific. That being said, I value your post. But do not try to represent your unique subjective opinions as fact sir.

And while you may not feel you are not being swayed by the megapixel count, many people are even on a subconscious level. That is not an assumption it is a marketing fact. People get led around by the marketing, often without realizing it. But I'm sure this excludes you. I for one always reevaluate my buying choices to hopefully avoid any chance of being swayed by marketing. But one can never be sure. What has been seen cannot be unseen. But I'm sure this excludes you.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
Did someone already tried the wireless qi chargers for the s4?

mmm still no s4 active in Europe :eek:

And the release date is ...summer...that helps a lot :S
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] alphadog00:
QI is old news on S4 - it works if you buy the official back, or get one of the receiver inserts. Lots of info in the accessories forum.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
I mean if someone tried the s4 qi pad on the s4 active ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I added it, thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mattpayne92:
So did you end up determining that the Active appeared to have better pictures or did the s4 appear better? Just curious.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I liked them both and suspect that with firmware changes it could go either way. Obviously, with very heavy cropping or with a very large picture the S4 regular get's the edge. But I liked the focusing on the Active more especially in low light situations. I also like the bokeh on the Active much more.

Of course this is subjective with a very small test pool(only 2 of each phone). But what's great is that I don't feel fearful of taking a picture in the rain or near a pool. While I won't go underwater, I'm fairly confident it will stand up to a bit more than I'd do with my old S4. And I can use the phone while on the toilet without being fearful of dropping the phone in, well...depending on what was for dinner.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Edit: Nevermind lol

Edit edit: Well as I'm sure others have figured out or phone definitely is bootloader locked

On Odin screen it says:

Edit edit edit:

So basically we're absolutely ****ed unless an exploitable kernel that is signed to be used on our device is leaked(very unlikely) OR someone finds a way around that root escalation patch OR someone cracks the bootloader
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
For people that are worried about the usb cover.. Here's an potion... this is what I do. .I have a few spare batteries with the battery charger, so when battery gets Low I just swap out the battery..never having to connect the phone via usb..I will probably never open the usb port;);)

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Which just causes wear and tear on the back cover, which also is a vital part of the waterproof seal..

Edit: Realized I sounded like an ahole didn't mean to sorry
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
The battery lasts a while. .it would be swapping once a day maybe..I think the back cover can handle more then the usb cover..but thats just me

Sent from my S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Only thing is when closing up that seal, a single piece of dirt, sand or dust could compromise the water-tightness of the device. So I've only opened my back cover twice: first to put in SIM and SD, and then to test after getting the device wet.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] informpage:
I'll throw $10 in for root.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] firemedic1343:
I've done that a lot recently. It's hard to read people when on the internet. Safest thing is to just not take offense or apologize in advance like you did.

I don't know which is better or worse.

I didn't think about how easily the seal could be compromised... food for thought.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Solange82200:
Alright folks, its official. I went into ATT, saw the screen on the Active, and liked it better than my s4, so I traded it on the spot. I took test pictures with the display Active and my S4 in the store, and noticed no noticeable difference in either quality or length of time to focus or anything like that. Now that i am home indoors with my Active, the low light pictures seem to look really bad, but I wasnt directly comparing those to my s4 (since i had already traded it back) so it could very well be my imagination and paranoia. I noticed that there is an icon missing on the camera, one for night mode or something like that? Not in the actual modes section (the one that has Aqua, Auto,, etc), but the little icons in the top of the camera, wasnt there one on the S4 that was supposed to take better low light pictures? If so, that sucks its not on the Active, but whatever. If I hadnt gotten the Active, I know I would have been going crazy wishing i had gotten it, so I bit the bullet. Hope I dont regret it!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Does that mf1 version overwrite the bootloader? If so, does it remain locked?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TenEightyPee:
Dual Camera is missing.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] planoman:
I had both till today. The S4 takes much better pictures inside than the Active. Outside the Active was pretty sweet! Decided to get an Olympus TG2 to take pictures in and around water and beaches so I kept my S4. Can't go wrong with the active but I have the 32GB S4 and love it. Also I felt the Active was not getting support in terms of accessories etc.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Active is hitting Europe July 18th. There will be accessories :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mbonus:
yes and yes
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fresh_TD:
Lol..something has to give;);) I wish we had it all with this Phone but not the case:(

Sent from my S4 Active