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[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
The only similar app I use is Greenify, but I've never had a problem with it before. Plus, it only works after the screen timesout/shuts off.

Let me also add that can only be replicated after several hours of uptime. If I restart my phone in the morning for my commute, it doesn't happen. However at the end of the day on my commute home, it will.

I just replicated it now using the technique I described above. My phone has been on for just under 10 hours. Maps immediately closed after opening pandora. Let me add that there is no FC window when this happens. If you need a video, I'll take one.

I also find it interesting that both this and the MMS problem occur as the phone is booted for a longer period.

I realize this is probably not an issue with Carbon either, but with the ROM base of CM, since it seems to happen on all 4.3 ROMS currently. But I'm not sure who else to direct this problem towards.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
As was stated, this is likely a common CM issue.

You folks can feel free to provide logcats, but if it's one of those things that "decays" over time - it's not going to be easy to fix. My phone had been up for a while I think - heck it has been on all night, and I still can't recreate this issue.

Sorry.
[RAZR HD Android Development] manuski:
Arrggg What version you on.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I am usually testing commits, so I'll repo sync, pick what I want to test and build. So they're not public, but basically the latest... I am usually not more than a day or two behind if I am feeling lazy ;)
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Sorry double posted by accident.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Carbon Fibers still crashes on boot but I'm sure you already noticed that.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
MMS fix for 1018 nightly.

1. Turn airplane mode on. Then turn off.

2. Then go into Settings --> More.. --> Mobile Networks --> Access Point Names and making sure VZWINTERNET is selected.

This might only apply to Verizon users. It seems to have gotten my MMS back even while it was in the middle of not working (and probably why I noticed it working after a clean flash)

For some reason the wrong APN list is loaded at boot. Toggling airplane mode brings back the correct APN list.

The APN that MMS works with on Verizon is named "Verizon Internet"
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I just flashed the 10/15 kernel after a few hours with the 10/18 ROM and lost WiFi.. I'm not having good luck with kernels in the first place, the battery always drains a lot faster when I flash any of them. Methinks I'll stay away from them and just enjoy the great battery life and speed of the stock kernel. Coming from a stock ROM and for what I do on the phone, I've not noticed one bit of speed increase in the first place with overclocking
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Alrighty, I found the culprit for the LTE toggle breaking again. I will apply it to the CDMA device trees :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] famac!:
Did not work for me on 10/15 version. MMS still not sending. About ready to throw the towel in on this ROM and maybe return to stock until i find a ROM that will consistently deliver and send MMS. For me, its one of the top things my phone needs to do.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Use a third party app like GoSMS then - this has been told to always work.

Or, if you really do need it - then perhaps stock is your best bet. I can't even use MMS (Google Voice), so verifying any bugs with it is impossible for me.

Good luck.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I understand that MMS is important to you, you really have to try Handcent.. It's a lot less Spammy than Go and they don't force stupid crap on you like spam text messages
[RAZR HD Android Development] famac!:
Yeah tried GoSMS but did not really like it. Tried handcent too and it was better. Currently rolling with Chomp as i like it the best so far. Wish it had that setting the carbon had where the message could be replied to directly from the notification area.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I deal a lot with notifications and I'm going to go as far as to say that won't be possible with Android 4.3. Google is getting a grip on how important notifications are and allowed notification "sharing" in 4.3 but that may not be possible for a while.

GoSMS is by far the worst I've seen. Ever... Worse than stock.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Use what works best for you... I'm just relaying information from others that have reported the app to work.
[RAZR HD Android Development] killrhythm09:
So after using Carbon for a while, my experience has been that it works okay for a while, but after you have the phone running for a few days, it becomes increasingly unstable (I'm running the 10/15 build right now).

It's currently flashing the Bluetooth icon on and off for some reason. And the LTE/Wifi icons are both greyed out instead of blue. I think they still work, it just looks weird.

Also, sometimes the back button will stop working for me. It just doesn't do anything, no matter how many times I press it. Sometimes it fixes it if I hit the recent apps button and then go back into the same app. I also still have that problem with it aggressively killing background apps.

Is there anything I can do to help troubleshoot what's causing this? Thank you for building this ROM for the xt926, but I may have to go back to CM or *gulp* even stock.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Have you tried doing a factory reset in TWRP? I haven't experienced any of these issues you're referring to. The only issue I have is the MMS known issue, which is gonna be an issue on any CM based ROM, and can be resolved by toggling airplane mode on/off (I just set a profile in Tasker to do this on every boot).

You can go back to stock, but after using all the 4.3 features and added Carbon customizations, I can't see myself going back. All the lockscreen customizations and ActiveDisplay I use daily for added convenience.

Stock is still at 4.1.2 isn't it?
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I've noticed that these builds have been getting less stable by the day but with any improvements always come some hiccups, so, just give it time.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lash444:
All I know is that I use the 10/02 kernel, (there's two, I don't use the one with the perf and conservative governor addition.). This one works with 10/14 carbon. I use Wheatley and noop. I have seen the not sending issue on this ROM one time before and I'm pretty sure it was with 10/07 kernel. My question is, since I see the 10/02 kernel option was brought up before...why do you guys run with 10/07 when 10/02 kernel runs fine?
[RAZR HD Android Development] Vnvjeep:
MMS

What is the known CM MMS problem? I'm on build 10/18 with the 10/15 kernel (which is working very snappy btw), however when I try to send an MMS it just sticks on "sending". I won't receive MMS unless I reboot, and that's the last time it will work. Airplane mode on/off doesn't do it for me. My access point setting as suggested above is already set on vzinternet or something of the sort. If I'm preaching to the choir, please let me know. ;)
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Get off the 10/15 kernel. That fix only works with stock carbon kernel
[RAZR HD Android Development] killrhythm09:
I always do a factory reset between flashes. I don't restore any system data with Titanium either, just normal apps.

Have you duplicated the conditions where I started experiencing this stuff (letting the phone run for 4+ days with no restart)?

And believe me, I don't want to go back to stock at all... it's just that the little things add up after a while.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Lol 4 days with no restart. No I haven't. I've been on every nightly for the last few weeks. I was using arrrghhhs kernel up until the 15th. Was having issues with every nightly after that so Im just using the stock carbon kernel right now.

I'd say your issues have to do with the mismatched kernel. Try using just the stock carbon kernel that comes with the rom
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Have you been having luck with the WiFi AP?
[RAZR HD Android Development] DonKilluminati23:
Seems to be broken on the last couple of nightlies
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Yes, I believe it's a common CM issue. Haven't tracked it down yet myself...

Edit - although someone said it's fixed in the 10/21 nightly? Let me know folks.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
See my last post, video issues should be resolved. Rolling new builds for all the devices now.
[RAZR HD Android Development] scoobaspeaz:
There are still some issues with the CM build that was released today that is bound to be in any ROM that uses that code. Youtube, recorded video etc. now plays but if you record a video horizontally then try to play it you will get a soft reboot. It all surrounds Gallery. If you use MX player then you have no issues at all playing videos with this build.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Awesome. You rock! This is the best ROM out there. I've tried them all.

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Awesome. Confirmed youtube issue fixed with latest build 0612. This one looks to be my new DD. Thanks for the all the dev support arrrghhhh :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] scoobaspeaz:
Can you confirm that video playback is smooth from Gallery?
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Confirmed. Video playback from Gallery is running smooth, in portrait and in landscape mode.
[RAZR HD Android Development] scoobaspeaz:
I got Carbon to crash like CM 10.1...granted it was harder though. I will reproduce it and post a logcat here in a couple hours when i get home.
[RAZR HD Android Development] gomesc:
Changelog

Dear friend,

Congratulations for this incredible ROM.

A question: What is the changelog for CARBON-JB-NIGHTLY-20130612-1227-xt925.zip ?

Thanks in advance.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Well I didn't write any of the commits... so it's a bit over my head on the nitty gritty details. Plus, I don't update CarbonROM itself, the developers for Carbon do that. You can look at their changelogs on their website.

As for device specific changelogs, best bet is to check github. Latest fixes are camcorder and video issues are resolved.

Sorry, with nightlies it's a little more difficult to do detailed changelogs as I'm not making the changes typically. Plus, now I'm supporting a ton of devices which I do not own... so this makes building changelogs ever more daunting of a task. Apologies, but I will not be making proper changelogs. I should probably just remove that lonely empty post...
[RAZR HD Android Development] gomesc:
Thanks man !!! Don't worry !!! All this things happens :D
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zcp6iVWVw_7iH-ErnKgkYy3r5QuqV8PHFoQMb8hoBwQ/mobilebasic
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Sweet, the one I was looking at was not as updated, lol. I will add this to the OP!
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Lol that's hilarious....I figured you were a part of the team
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I made some pull requests to get all the moto qcom devices in to officially build, and my machine does some heavy lifting for the Carbon jenkins every night... but I'm not really part of the team no ;)
[RAZR HD Android Development] hugodefcon:
since i flashed carbon rom i havent been able to connect my phone to my pc.

it says that it is not recognized.

is this happening to everybody else?
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Are you using ADB?

Is USB debugging enabled?

What have you tried mate? Sounds like nothing. Maybe I have drivers already, but when I plug my phone in it just pops up as a media device...
[RAZR HD Android Development] scoobaspeaz:
Try rebooting the phone. This happens on cm 10.1 based roms after charging via ac.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Oh I forgot about that bug, thanks. Yea, seems to be a kernel bug, so any of the msm8960 moto's that use the msm8960-common kernel will have this issue.
[RAZR HD Android Development] cj360:
Is that charging bug from the 2nd post still there? I'm looking for a list of current bugs/broken things with the current build.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Yep, just updated the buglist. The only real fix from the buglist was camcorder.
[RAZR HD Android Development] balthuszar:
i've been on carbon for a day or two, and have yet to run into that with any regularity...every other rom it was almost every time i plugged my phone into something else(car dock, a/c charger etc.) and then my computer...the last rom i was on it was every time i plugged into my computer regardless of what else i plugged into...but this one i haven't run into that issue..
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Actually.. It was fixed in today's nightly

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Now to get that pesky carbon fiber crash message fixed ;)
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Haha, edited my post to say it has been reported fixed. That's 2 reports of fixed, great!

As for the FC on CarbonFibers, it's a weird one. The main Carbon guy doesn't have it, and I sent him a logcat... I'll probably need to send it to him a few more times before he takes it seriously :p
[RAZR HD Android Development] djuniah:
Just wanted to chime in on a few of the outstanding issues and my experiences with them:

The FC problem: This definitely only occurs after i've had the phone on without a reboot for over a day. (The easy answer here is to just keep flashing nightlies ;) )

The Back button not working sometimes: I did see this, but only in the Reddit Sync app. However, as you described, going in/out of the app would fix it. I assumed it was an issue with the app and not the ROM, but i figure i'll mention my experience here just in case. I usually use the back button the most in that app though, so if it was system wide, that app has the highest likelihood of showing it.
[RAZR HD Android Development] manuski:
Confirmed with the MMS. Issue. Verizon internet, toggle airplane mode. And good to go. on stock kernel too. WiFi didn't work on 10;14 and on haven't tried most recent (10;21). (Have never encountered carbon force closing)
[RAZR HD Android Development] killrhythm09:
Weird. The back button thing mostly seems to happen for me in RedReader. Is there something weird with Reddit that causes it? Lol
[RAZR HD Android Development] localceleb:
MMS is still borked for me. Just clean flashed 10/21.
[RAZR HD Android Development] darktyroll:
Hello, guys how to install adobe flash on carbon jb 1.8 ( stable 4.2.2)?
[RAZR HD Android Development] hugodefcon:
The back button bug hapens to me on any app.

I have to tap on the recents apps twice to get it to work.

Its weird.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
Going back to my same issue, I've noticed one thing. At the end of the day, the available ram sits at around 10-15mb. After a restart, there's 133mb free. Somehow, Android simply isn't managing its memory that well.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
You are lucky, that is what I get after boot.. There is a serious memory leak and then the phone will just force close everything.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Use a third party app (GoSMS, Chomp, Handscent...) if you depend on MMS.

You don't. Flash is dead my friend, at least for mobile.

You guys do understand that truly "free" RAM is "wasted" RAM in the Linux world. It should try to use RAM for cache, and it will open up RAM as needed.

Also, lol @ force close everything. I can't say I have ever experienced this - I've had a few FC's, mostly on Pandora because it takes forever to start sometimes. Other than that... I use nav and Pandora daily (this week at least) and I haven't had any issues running both at the same time.
[RAZR HD Android Development] gr8nole:
I've seen all the explanations of how android is supposed to free ram when needed and I understand the concepts. But in real world applications, it simply does not function as it should. Every android device I've owned operates better when a larger amount of "free" ram is shown. Just my personal experience.

Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
As far as FC.. I have an analogy for you.. If a bear sh*ts in the woods and nobody is there to see it, did it really happen?

But really.. Pressing the back button twice will almost always hang everything and cause a force close on any apps in the background. And if you are on the home screen, that means it closes everything running in the background.

This was great on 10/15 and 10/7 but it's been a problem again on recent builds.
[RAZR HD Android Development] djuniah:
Just wanted to say that MMS is working fine for me on the 21 build. (Verizon)
[RAZR HD Android Development] Vnvjeep:
systemui has stopped

Anyone know why I keep getting "systemui has stopped" errors, after which I lose nav bar and status bar... many times they won't come back and have to reboot. This happens once or several times per day. Does anyone else experience this, or is it just me? I'm on build 10/21 with the included kernel.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
You didn't flash the arghh kernel at the same time?

I'd just reflash the ROM. Maybe flash gapps when you do that..

Yes, I've run into this problem but only if I flag the kernel and the ROM at the same time

Clear cache AND dalvik 3 times.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Vnvjeep:
Correct... I'm just flashing the rom and gapps at the same time. I'm holding off on flashing the 10/15 kernel after the problems with mms. You would think that wiping cache/dalvik just once is the same as doing it 3x? I also always wipe cache/dalvik after flashing a new build.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I Don't know.. But I just wipe 3x for safety.. I am pretty sure it doesn't make a difference but you never know. I remember someone said "wipe wipe wipe then flash"
[RAZR HD Android Development] killrhythm09:
You only need to wipe once. Anyone who says otherwise never seems to offer any real proof for why multiple wipes would make a difference (no offense abuttino).
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
Yes I understand this. The problem is that Android seems to be confusing foreground apps with background apps. If it needs memory, it shouldn't be killing a foreground app like Pandora. It should be killing something that hasn't been used in a while and isn't currently running. Am I wrong?

I know that used RAM is wasted RAM... but the problem seems to stem from not RAM availability but with the way that it is managed.

Currently I'm looking for a solution to this through a 3rd party app. I don't know sh*t about Linux, development, or otherwise, so this is going to be a challenge. Right now I'm looking into ROM toolbox and its memory manager, to see if increasing the RAM limit on the foreground has any effect, and then I'll go from there. Unfortunately I simply don't understand the majority of the terms that are used. So we'll see.

I'll report back with any findings.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Maybe try Xposed Framework? The App Settings module allows you to keep apps in memory on a per app basis. I believe the checkbox is called "resident". I used this solution to fix my Launcher redraws.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I just had EVERYTHING Force close on me again.. Just noticed the memory shot up to 150+MB available
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
I know, I am the person whose comment you thanked... I was the person who said to do this. lol

But anyway, that wouldn't really solve the problem. I can't keep Pandora and Maps as resident, it's simply not efficient.

I'm beginning to think the problem can be narrowed down two things: Chrome, or an app called Dynamic notifications.

I just cleared the Chrome cache and it was up to 277mb. That's utterly insane. Is this normal??

I also noticed DN was utilizing up to 60mb RAM at the end of the day... seems a bit much for what its purpose is.

So I'm disabling both of these apps and checking the RAM periodically.

[MENTION=336570]abuttino[/MENTION], you should look into Chrome or DN (if you have it).
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Just looked at chrome 267...

Cleared that.. I'll take a look at my other caches that have notifications.. Oddly enough you mention Notifications, I've noticed crashing on type of apps those from time to time.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Ahhh that was you. Thanks again lol. Redraws rarely even happen for me anymore. Maybe it's an issue with the Pandora app? I was using Spotify all day the other day 6-7 hrs straight and never had any issues with it shutting down on me. Just looked at my Chrome and cache is at 53MB and I use it all the time. Maybe try Greenify to hibernate processes you don't need running? I think there's an xposed module for greenify too :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] fxwrangler:
Love Carbon!

This may likely have been addressed previously, but I have not found much info. Does anyone know why when I do a reboot I have to wipe cache / dalvich and even then it still hangs in boot animation. Takes about three - four tries b4 it finally boots back up. I'm on 10/21 build .. But its been doing this for me for a few builds. Is there any sort of fix to this on 4.3. -- I'm on TWRP recovery also.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
Haha yeah no problem! That xposed thing really worked wonders. Props to the person who discovered it, I was just a messenger.

I already use Greenify as well. Great app.

I am really beginning to strongly suspect the culprit was Chrome. A cache of 278mb is just unacceptable.

Since uninstalling it, I still have around 50mb of RAM after 8+ hours of uptime. But the true test will be tomorrow morning when that number doubles. This morning, I had 0mb available. Every app that was not on the screen was closing. Tasker was in a constant state of restarting. It was bad. I'm lucky it worked well enough for my alarm to go off.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
You can also try the memory management settings under performance. I've got both of them checked
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
Well, bad news. Without Chrome, I still have apps closing.

I tried it with and without the "allow purging of assets" option in performance, with no difference.

So, the memory leak is out there. The search continues. I took a video that demonstrates it. I'm really surprised no one else has this problem...
[RAZR HD Android Development] famac!:
On 10/15 version, even with Chomp SMS, MMS is still an issue. I get an indication that someone has sent me an MMS but i cant view it. Those successful with 3rd party MMS apps, did you also completely disable built in messaging or just let your new app run over it?
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Man I'm sorry to hear that. Memory leaks are a real pain. I usually have 100-150MB of free ram so I haven't had any real memory issues. And I'm a stickler for CPU/memory hogs, as you can see from my attached screenshot of my notification area. I've got os monitor always on.

Have you tried a factory reset? Or maybe its an ailing sdcard?
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
I never thought of it being the SDcard. It's an interesting idea for sure considering my SDcard is about 2.5 years old now, if not more.

May I ask you something, do you use the "experimental" features in greenify xposed module? I think I might have turned this on around the same time that this leak started happening. I have shut it off now, so I'll see how things go.

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Really appreciate your help by the way. I have little knowledge of coding and such, but I'm decent at computers overall, so I'll take any help I can get.

I'm trying to OS monitor app to see how it records RAM usage over time.