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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
Try changing minfree values.you can find apps that can do that on Google play.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] aRosario:
im a really noob about kernels so.. can u explain me ?! if u prefer pm me..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] uthpala89:
9a is better than 9, but the lags are still there. 8.7 was the best I've used so far.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Patrol619:
I can confirm, on 9.0 lags are present, phone is slow as h***. The best so far is the 8.7 version ;)

Xperia sola@Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] masprob:
Be patient bro, increasing RAM is not that easy.

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Hey bro, any differences with v9.0 on your ROM?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] samfisher91:
The only difference is that phone lags a lot...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] matood:
1. etch already tried get more ram, but result was very unstable kernel, graphic glitches and similar stuff. Only how you can get more ram is to take it from GPU, but then GPU is struggling to get it's job done. So the way it is now, it's probably the best, it's balanced load between GPU and CPU tasks.

2. For the differences look here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2308040&page=70

Please search and read before ask...

[MENTION=5152173]samfisher91[/MENTION] if you have something constructive said to this topic please do so , otherwise, this is development thread, it's for reporting bugs, etc. Also this kernel is called Experimental for a reason...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] masprob:
Yes, thank you for reminding me. But I just ask him what his phone feels after updating to 9.0a :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] itachilinux:
i can't find download link for new version.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ShoaibAhmed:
Experimental 9a

Experimental 9
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] inunxelex:
im back to stable version 1.0, it's has reboot bug, but v8.7 gave me bug that cant wake up after long deep sleep, i must hold power and up button to reboot my sola :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] itachilinux:
no cm10 version yet, right?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] noel_din:
kexec with 9.0a?

i read the kexec support. does anybody succesfully dual boot with this kernel, if you do how to do it? (im try but stuck and cannot get the kexec to show my main ROM). pls share your knowledge (i use JB V11 ROM, want to dual boot with MIUI v5)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] masprob:
I still have randomly reboot problem on V8.7 especially when opened social media apps. What's wrong with this?

I'm on Ultimate ROM V11...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
here another build.

Stock

test it out and check if lag is still there
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] aRosario:
i will post feed as soon i try it..

downloading..

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for now i dont found lags.. but im just using it for 10min so.......

but when i turn on my phone its stay so much time in "sony" (if u now wht i mean).. like almost 30 sec just then goes to bootanimation.. that is about kernel?!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] DLSlith:
That's a common JB Stock custom kernel issue. I'm yet to find a kernel that doesn't do that from time to time, just wait till it boots, and if it gets stuck for, say a minute or more, force shutdown with PWR + VOLUP until you get 3 vibrations, then turn it on again and wait for it to boot. :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] DLSlith:
Tried it and my phone lags horribly when trying to make a call, and it says it doesn't have network signal, so I can't make phone calls anyway.

Back to Experimental 8.7 for now. Keep on the good work :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] wendyangga:
I want to ask some questions :

1. I switch to ondemand+sioplus then reboot phone, it revert back to dysinterractive+sioplus :confused:

Tried both no frills cpu and setCPU

anyone has same problem with me?

2. what the different between sio and sioplus?

3. I used experimental 8.7 but in about phone i see experimental v8.6 ( well this is not too important)

thanks and sorry for my bad english

ROM : jb 1.100

kernel: experimental 8.7
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
1.i have set dyninteractive as default and inorder to set it permanetly you should tick set it at boot option.

2.SIOplus i/o scheduler (modifications: functionality for specifying the starvation of async reads against sync reads; starved write requests counter only counts when there actually are write requests in the queue; fixed a bug).so in short it is a improved version of sio io scheduler.

3.don't worry about that.you are using 8.7 versionand not 8.6, it is showing 8.6 because i forgot to change the version string to 8.7.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] wendyangga:
thanks for the explanation

btw good kernel :good:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] 2010radams:
Hello, thanks as usual for a good kernel. I have been using since yesterday and find the performance similar to 8.7(which is good). I'm using dynintetactive and sioplus. The only problem i have come across is when copying roms using root browser it lags several times during the copying process. I came across this when using 9a but never on 8.7. All in all, i always use your kernels because i always get good performance so the above problem is irrelevent really. Thanks again
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] aRosario:
everyone say that doenst have lags and etc in 8.7

anyone can tell me which govern and sch use on 8.7?! cause in ultimate rom 11 i have to much lag, launcher redraws, FC (keyboard for ex) and to many reboots ..

please help =S
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] luisecp:
Thank you. I think it work ok, I can make calls. I am using Ultimate Rom 11, and 9.0b.

Zen pinball HD crash sometimes :(

Dyninteractive + deadline
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
guys...new version is out.

now you don,t need to mess around with terminal or init.d script.

Use this app to prevent app or process from being killed.

Performance Control [v2.1.1] - Open Source
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] noel_din:
yay, new version out, will try it
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dwaipayanray95:
These days I don't even read the changelogs...just go ahead and download the kernels...better everytime

[MENTION=2266044]etch04[/MENTION] I heard the new MALI drivers are out again, this time giving us the control of the hardware....Can u integrate them into your kernel? It would be really beneficial if we had a gpu clock control too

Keep up the good work!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] samfisher91:
Can this app change also governors and scheduler?

EDIT: Good work man! I just flashed 9b kernel and it's very stable and fast (only random small lags); launcher doesn't redraw anymore and accessing to apps is more fast than 8.7... Only one issue: Battery drain... I think it's only my problem, but after flashing this kernel, battery drained from 89% to 84% in less than 10 minutes! o.O
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Peppecarto:
No more lags?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] samfisher91:
In my case no more lags (just at the beginning, after flashed it)... I let it settle few minutes and now it's a bit better than 8.7 in terms of smoothness and fluidity :)

Sorry i didn't say that i have this build.prop (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2226899) and Ultimate v11
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Peppecarto:
Mobile data stop works!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Arbing:
When will have dualboot support!

Expecting!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Peppecarto:
Deepsleep not work

I tried xperimental 9.0b, mobile data wasn't working so i came back to 8.7.

Now deep sleep isn't working anymore!! any suggestion!?

I'm on project xv-r...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] yew0815:
Deep sleep work

But mobile data don't work

But very smooth

The smoothest kernel ever

On project xvr

EDIT:work after reboot the phone and download the setting again

but the i can't run real racing 3

I can run it on Experimental 8.3

I think the problem lies on ram management
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] 2010radams:
Mobile data and deep sleep both working on ultimate rom v11
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] aRosario:
Yes it can change them!

And for who say that data mobile dont work try to reboot and clear data cause for me work
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] owlwood:
What data? Cache/dalvik? If so, that didn't work.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] samfisher91:
I've been testing this kernel since yesterday... No more reboots, no launcher redraws... only big issue is battery drain! Can anyone confirm that? Please Dev fix this issue and this kernel will be perfect! :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pingu_c660:
confirmed about battery drain. :good:

that 's why i have to revert v8.7

btw thanks Dev :highfive:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] garynych:
probably error in ramdisk:

wifi work

WiFi Tethering and usb tether... dont connect :( (something wrong with IP)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] aRosario:
confirmed the no reboots and no redraws but i too dont ve any battery drain.. using ultimate rom 11 and experimental 9b

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for me work.. try to flash again
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pitrisss:
So guys, anyone found out how to solve the wifi problem? I am using cm 10.1... Tried to delete data/misc/wifi as mensioned earlier, no change... thanks for anything.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Be sure you are using same cw1200_xx.ko modules (found in /system/lib/modules/), than there are in kernel. You can find them in kernel-zip - also same path /system/lib/modules...

So, if you first flash kernel and after then you are flashing rom - it won't work and you have to copy manually the modules to rom.

Maybe that's the reason for you?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pitrisss:
so, i did what you said. The only change is, that when i turn it on, it imidiatly turns off... Before, it stayed on with "turning wifi on" text...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Ok, you are using kernel cm10.1 and rom cm10.1, right? Have you used cm10.1 rom before you installed kernel and did wifi worked well?

Have you tried re-flashing kernel.zip via cwm a second time?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pitrisss:
right, before i flashed the experimantal kernel, the wifi worked, and yes, i did try to flash it one more time. Thanks :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
You can check if cw1200 modules are loading correct by hand.

Use "Terminal-emulator" (on phone) or "adb shell" from PC to go in directory "cd /system/bin" and run "sh install_wlan". See what happens and if some errors are shown.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pitrisss:
u0_a42@android:/ $ cd /system/bin

u0_a42@android:/system/bin $ sh install_wlan

/system/bin/insmod /system/lib/modules/cw1200_core.ko macaddr=144,193,21,241,214,191

insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/cw1200_core.ko' failed (Operation not permitted)

/system/bin/insmod /system/lib/modules/cw1200_wlan.ko

insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/cw1200_wlan.ko' failed (Operation not permitted)

255|u0_a42@android:/system/bin $
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Sorry :eek:, forgot to say you have to be "root" first with input "su".

So you see # instead of $
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pitrisss:
u0_a42@android:/ $ cd system/bin

u0_a42@android:/system/bin $ su sh install_wlan

Unknown id: sh

1|u0_a42@android:/system/bin $ su

u0_a42@android:/system/bin # sh install_wlan

/system/bin/insmod /system/lib/modules/cw1200_core.ko macaddr=144,193,21,241,214,191

insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/cw1200_core.ko' failed (File exists)

/system/bin/insmod /system/lib/modules/cw1200_wlan.ko

insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/cw1200_wlan.ko' failed (File exists)

255|u0_a42@android:/system/bin #
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
pm to you - not spamming the thread further.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] itachilinux:
[MENTION=2266044]etch04[/MENTION], you make my day! my cm10 is flying after i try cm10-9.0b! good job.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Confirm.

Using same kernel for miui5_v2 ("softly" modded). Runs like charm and cpu idles between 1% - 4% at standby (using cpu-monitor).

Good work! :good:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] soulhackereborn:
Which kernel bro :confused: the latest miui kernel drains battery in 6hrs flat of using BE v6.1 was better than BEv6.2

Cheers
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
I'm using "ExperimentalCM10-9.0b" (link 1st page) from etch "out of the box". It has "service shelld" in it and works really good with v2 version. but it needs to be installed with all modules (.ko) in it. So, install it with cwm. Backup your current rom to be save and give it a try.

Can't say anything about drain - but it feels good.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Avennx:
Success!

Nice Kernel! Working smooth for my device. Great work and keep it up. :good: :highfive:

I'm using ondemandq+sio. Can anyone suggest good combination? Thanks!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] thecower:
Pegasusq+sio

Hotplug+cfq

Interactivex+sio / deadline
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] beast_drc:
Hi. guys. there is no interactive gov/ in the 9.0b. why?

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Also have no WiFi on Stok. With Brain Explosion kernel wifi is ok.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kiayichsan:
i just installed v9.0 and sound not working and i do reboot twice and it still not working, why ?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] soulhackereborn:
Cause the dev didn't decide to put it ... You cant ask him y and what not !!! Just request him that's it k

Cheers!!!

Hope u using v9b not v9.0 cause it is unstable I guess...

V9.0b works with charm with Miuiv5 !!! No lags no reboots

Cheers
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] garynych:
help me !

with

Experimental Kernel Stock:

ExperimentalSTOCK-9.0b

install app and setup

then check:

\\\ADB\BX9038HUGK\sys\module\lowmemorykiller\parameters\

donotkill_sysproc = 1

donotkill_sysproc_names = com.sonyericsson.home

done... it work

but after reboot, missing settings ... :(

\\\ADB\BX9038HUGK\sys\module\lowmemorykiller\parameters\

donotkill_sysproc = 0

donotkill_sysproc_names =
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mendocino_610:
Batery Drain worst I have ever seen :(

I tried every governor.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mr.drooly:
I need to confirm something. In the /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters folder there would have 4 files (adj, cost, debug_level, minfree) or just 3 files (cost, debug_level, minfree)? Someone can help me check?

Thanks~

Btw, nice kernel.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dwaipayanray95:
Init.D script for me please

And tell me the tweaking too
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] rakz992:
Here

https://www.box.com/s/1e7sew2r4jip60gptwk1

Just download the script. Rename it to just 01interactive n move it to system/etc/init.d folder n set right permissions... :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
it should have 4 files (adj, cost, debug_level, minfree)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] rakz992:
+1

Etch04, about dyninteractive parameters?? Like hi_pert_threshold,low_power_rate,low_power_threshold etc..

:confused:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
here the parameter for dynainteractive.

Hi speed to bump to from lo speed when load burst (default max)

Go to hi speed when CPU load at or above this value.

The minimum amount of time to spend at a frequency before we can ramp down.

DEFAULT_MIN_SAMPLE_TIME (20 * USEC_PER_MSEC)

The sample rate of the timer used to increase frequency

DEFAULT_TIMER_RATE (20 * USEC_PER_MSEC)

Wait this long before raising speed above hispeed, by default a single timer interval.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dwaipayanray95:
Battery friendly right? :)

And thanks :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] rakz992:
Yup... You'll notice the difference.. :) you can confirm it with no frills ;)

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N also using this kernel, I got antutu score of 6557 !! :D which are pretty awesome figures for jb sola :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
this is highest score i get using my kernel :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] rakz992:
You use any other tweaks?? Don't know why but I get 0 score for both sd card write and read!! :(
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
I don't use any tweak or build.prop.i like it clean so it easier to debug problem.this days I am using crossbreeder to enable frandom module and it feel smoother..maybe it's just a placebo.if you want higher score in benchmark..use performance governor with cfq io.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cnkhanh:
Try a few times, it will get about 300 in total. That's a bug for me too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] BLACKFeLiX:
Almost all works very fast and smooth !

But some ram hunger games load very slow and laggy or FC with swap enabled.

I used other kernel with swap enabled didn't have these problem.

BTW great work.:good:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dwaipayanray95:
[MENTION=2266044]etch04[/MENTION]

I must say you've done an commendable job at v5

600Mhz best thing

ondemand is like the best governor ever ive ever seen. Always at 200mhz while idling.

phone is smooth even at 600Mhz:D

This is like one of the best kernel ive ever come across :D

please try and 100mhz please! :) More battery saving

BUG: Frequency scaling bug

Frequency automatically elevates to 1Ghz within a few mins of setting it? Any solution?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cpanos:
Hello and thanx for the great kernel! I have a question,

In skernel, here

http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2286496

The dev has implemented some tweaks that give more ram. Im not talking about more available RAM, I mean more total RAM.

As far as i understand, this is typically achieved by taking away ram that is dedicated to other hardware such as the GPU etc.

Considering that RAM is the most important limitation of this phone, can you take a look if you can port this to your kernel as well?

P.S. I think the first dev that I noticed doing this was bedalus on the nexus s here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1719775

He called it bigmem mod. He took away RAM that was dedicated to the GPU and camera, and released a kernel with 412 MB RAM. stock kernel gave something around 380MB, so it was a big difference! Especially if multitasking.

I hope their githubs can help you out!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
I just pmed beladus..and he said that it's not possible for our device.i 'll give update when he reply back.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
beladus replied and he said that the extra memory was not from GPU but from the following sources.

I'll see what I can do to get more ram.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nunes2129:
Best kernel

Dev Congratulations, you managed to make the best kernel JB until now! I thought I'd stick with lag at 600 Mhz, but so far very smooth, even running most games without any problem.

Could try 100 Mhz, I'm pretty sure it will be too soft.

Your kernel = Very very very very smoooooth

Thx
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] garynych:
+1

but version 3 is the most successful

v4 very bad

v5 loses on multitasking and and in some places not deep sleep

v3 the best at this time

and kernel Experimental the best best of all that is !!! thanks

and sorry my english ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
Many have requested for 600mhz and 100mhz...but I added 600mhz but not 100mhz because you'll experience lock-up, force-closes and battery drain .200Mhz should be sufficient to save CPU heat and battery.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Skeleth:
Will this kernel work with cm 10.1?

Tapatalk
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Snap Shot:
yup just download

10.1-9.0b
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] soulhackereborn:
Stop crying !!! If u facing battery drain issues then you doing sum thing wrong !!! My battery lasts 26-27hrs with moderate use...

Whatsapp all day on calls like 2-3hrs and net surfing every now and then ...

So rework yo facts n post here rather than posting haywire

How many days u used the kernel or rather hours ????
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Can confirm battery has a good life and deepsleep works also pretty well. Cpu-Monitor shows me only 1% when waking up screen. :good:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mendocino_610:
deepsleep work that is true but normal usage battery drain very fast. 2-3 times charging a day

''26-27hrs battery life'' it is bull****. Sola ics/jb/cm9/cm10 Never did the battery life. I use sola 1 year...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] etch04:
26-27hrs of battery life is not "bull****".sure, you can't expect much as we have low capacity battery.it depend all on usage. I personally use this kernel myself and i have to charge it only once and it last whole day with some browsing, checking mail, some call and messaging.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] luisecp:
I have bit drain of battery in CMs roms, in stock roms the battery is really very good.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Ok, dude...for suggestion - try Sony stockrom (so, latest ics) and tell us how long you can use your phone under same conditions.

Btw. what rom are you using at the moment and did you made a really clean installation of it? Please check this first.

I'm asking this, because i have two solas made with different installation procedures for CM10-rom. The one "lived" pretty well over the whole day and the other "died" in about 6-8h. Nearly same usage. After re-installed the second again it has same life, now.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ja_som:
See...

Sola with Experimental kernel + XNovathor Project ROM
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
Is this right? 2 days and 11 hours? :eek:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nunes2129:
What form of install mode you proceeded? Thx
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ja_som:
Yes, right, and still 18% :)

But it happened to me only once (therefore I have a picture :) )

But now i'm on CM9, because WiFi tethering...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mendocino_610:
hahaha you dont use wifi, 3g, screen off, brightness off.. 2 days is short. goes to 1 week :)

sola best rom is stock gb/ics; 20-24 hours battery life to normal usage

Experimental v9.0b kernel is good, smooth, no launcher redraws, no reboots but battery drain fast sorry.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ja_som:
but we talked about NORMAL USAGE, this is my normal PHONE usage ;)

if i use my PHONE for gaming, browsing, etc i charge it once a day, but that is not normal usage for me...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mendocino_610:
ok ı understand you but you not use xperia sola you use nokia 3310 :laugh:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ja_som:
:)

No, Sola is (not)cheap Android crap.

When I bought it, I had planned to use it for all the things mentioned, but Sony fu**ked it up.

The guys at XDA are very trying, but so far I have not found a good combination of ROM and kernel.

Experimental kernel + XNovathor Project ROM was good kernel and not so good ROM

Now i have good ROM, where everything is working, but kernel is not best, battery drain is much bigger than with this experimental kernel.

So I bought the N7 for gaming, browsing,... and Sola is... Phone
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] akkufix:
For roms?

The long way... ;)

First i copy rom.zip on sd-card. Sometimes its better to use internal-sd, because some kernels not support our ext-card.

If you don't come from original stockrom - so ICS in our case of sola - i recommend flash it first with flashtool and orginal ftf, to have stable formatted phone with all partitions clean written and builded.

Boot it up and let do all setup - wait and let it finished its work. No need to enter your google account...only normal setup. Switch off and boot again (don't know if it is needed, but it cost not much time and it does not harm).

Then i flash kernel, extracted from the rom i want to install with fastboot, boot in recovery, do all formats/wipes, reboot again in recovery and flash rom.zip from sdcard.

Starting system, make setup and enjoy.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] matood:
If you want to flash jb rom, then after ics install munjenis jb and the rom you want, of course with full wipe...