yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Has anyone tested just the ROM? Let's put the kernel aside for the time being.
[RAZR HD Android Development] noobiest:
PAC 10/7 works(mms) on its own

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Aahhh sh!t, wife's XT926 with 10/7 kernel and rom works fine. Nevermind
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Yeah good point. Guess we should keep the kernel discussion in your photon q thread. Lol I just can't do stock carbon without your OC and governor options
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Can you do ANYTHING about this aggressive force closing/killing apps? I am a Developer and spend a half an hour inside a program then it'll force close on me before the app saves changes.

Things I've noticed that kill the app quicker:

Touching on the screen when it's the phone is busy, the biggest killer of ANY application, including the keyboard.

Multitasking to a different app to copy something to the clipboard or if the keyboard hangs in ANY app, the rest (by saying rest, I mean EVERY APP) gets killed.

I'll let you know when I remember more :)

It would seem to me that the keyboard is most likely the root of these problems.

Fix this and you are GOLDEN! I love the ROM and this is like the only flaw I see daily (More like every hour).. I spend about 10 hours developing and the battery life is great..

I was at 15% battery using using 10/7 with about 17-19 hours screen time, that is amazing. Some of that was LTE in a marginally good/great service area.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Doesn't happen here, and I'm on a device with 384mb of RAM...

Perhaps there's some apps you are running which is exacerbating the issue? Not sure. I would make sure you're not running any aggressive battery killing or memory "saving" applications.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
As I said in my last post, I had great battery life. So, there isn't something that kills the battery. I don't run any app killers, but I'll uninstall the one that would kill an app, even though it's not active. I have about 300 Tasker profiles/tasks, several Tasker Plugins and NFC Screen Off/Removed enabler found on xda (an XPosed Mod).

The phone is always getting XMPP (Google Cloud Messages) and it's never been a problem with a Stock ROM, I don't know why it would be a problem with a leaner custom ROM. I have never seen Tasker force close like I do on some of these nightlies..

ANY other advice would help.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
lol. Well, all I can really provide for you is what I experience and what I know from past experience.

Since I'm not experiencing this issue, it's either the phone (which I do not own a msm8960 moto anymore) or something you are doing.

Have you tried adjusting the LMK values? Perhaps they are simply too aggressive for the way you use the phone.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Where would I find that?
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Could you do something like this in your Kernel?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2239262

or... Just add support for it.. ?
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Google?

lol. There's apps - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en

Or, the hard way - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622666

Either way buddy, I thought you were a developer? I need you to help me out here, give me more to go on.

Edit - saw your post about whitelisting LMK... not sure that is necessary, again I have no need for this whatsoever. I can look into adding it, all I see is APK's so far tho.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I'll try to give you a logcat.. I am in the middle of a project right now but I think it'll probably help.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
I was having Tasker out of memory errors as well until I turned on all the memory optimizations under Settings --> Performance.
[RAZR HD Android Development] killrhythm09:
I've been experiencing this also and it's almost a dealbreaker for me on this rom. I was listening to a podcast last night and I opened the browser to look up something they mentioned... it almost immediately killed the podcast app when I opened a site in the browser.

I don't mess with any apps that would affect this, I left all of the memory tweaks in performance to what they are by default... what else could be causing it?

I'm running the 10/03 build btw.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Hm, I wonder if there's a platform issue in general - although I've only heard it from this thread... I would think if it was msm8960-common (kernel or device/vendor trees) then all would be experiencing the issue...

Perhaps try the memory optimization settings lslacker suggested:

"turned on all the memory optimizations under Settings --> Performance."
[RAZR HD Android Development] djuniah:
Reporting back in from some testing. I had installed the latest PAC so i could test this a few days ago and i've been running it since. I did a TiBu on all of the apps i was running at that point on Carbon, then re-installed all of them when I installed PAC. After running for a few days I havent had any programs dying like I did on Carbon. I'll probably switch back to Carbon sometime in the next week or so (It just feels more stable overall from a system level perspective) with a clean install and see what happens then.

EDIT: Correction, I did start to have the same issues on PAC as well. I've just re-installed the latest nightly of Carbon and we'll see how that goes.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
I noticed this happens to me most if I don't restart in a while. I generally do a restart every morning and then I'm able to multi-task as usual.

Also, if anyone is getting a lot of redraws on the homescreen? I was, so I googled around and found a solid solution. Using Xposed and the App settings module, find your launcher and set it as a "resident." It won't redraw after this and your phone will feel 10x faster.

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Also I agree with it being cross-platform. It occurred first for me about a week ago. Sometime during those nightlies. I tried other ROMs in the meanwhile, and they also had aggressive app closing.
[RAZR HD Android Development] manuski:
I'm getting the same issues with mms but it does work on a third party application. I also have data issues when coming from somewhere that doesn't have signal to some place that does, I have to manually toggle data off then on again to get it back. And I also get force closes due to the strict memory but only during a multi tasking. I'm on 10/7 without the kernal. Thanks
[RAZR HD Android Development] famac!:
I am on the 10/07 edition. MMS is hit or miss. Anyone know if this has been fixed in the latest nightly?
[RAZR HD Android Development] Vnvjeep:
Nice tip with that Xposed. Being a little snappier now, but time will tell. Been having problems with it dragging down after a while and needing to be rebooted to get it snappier again. On 10/9 nightly with the 10/7 kernel.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
No problem. I figured I had to share, since it worked so well for me.

And also it does seem as though the RAM gets bogged down if it hasn't restarted in a while. That's when I usually get the aggressive app closing.

(Sorry if I sound redundant, just trying to clarify for the dev)
[RAZR HD Android Development] matt1313:
Anyone have MMS working on xt926 build later then 10/7??

Which one and have you had any data issues?

Sent from my XT926 now Free
[RAZR HD Android Development] famac!:
10/9 seems to be working much better for me with MMS. No issues so far unlike 10/7 where i have messages not received or sent.
[RAZR HD Android Development] sunkim50:
Anyone having tethering issues on latest builds? I am on 10/5 and that seems to have WiFi tethering working, but all newer builds appear broken.
[RAZR HD Android Development] DonKilluminati23:
10-09 tethering is working normally
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
I'm afraid to touch my phone at this point, I get some insane battery life but I think I'm on 10-6 or 10-7, do not get many MMS.. Anything else improved, or should I wait for a major release?
[RAZR HD Android Development] djuniah:
Both Tether and NFC are busted for me at the moment, but i believe that's my fault. When initially flashing it, I had flashed the rom, booted into it (didn't complete setup), then rebooted and installed GAPPS. For some reason, whenever i've done that when installing a ROM, tether usually breaks. I'm going to wipe and install both at the same time to see if that fixes it. If anyone has an insight as to why that happens, i'd be interested to hear it.

EDIT: Also, after using it for a few days, I am getting the music player and other apps mysteriously closing if i start to multi-task. I'll be keeping a closer eye on it and checking logs to see if i can't nail down a more specific reason.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
arghhh,

I can definitely say that the touchscreen is directly related to the force closing of apps. If an app is busy doing writes to memory and you interrupt it with more touchscreen presses, the current app, even the keyboard WILL hang and close.

I've noticed this mostly in Tasker. If I press the back button an extra time and it's writing things to memory; It will immediately mark the app as non-responsive (ANR) and shut it down. I don't think it's a memory problem, it could be that it's just aggressively killing apps that don't have the timely response to the system.

Hope this helps.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Did you try doing that memory tweak? Someone suggested adjusting performance settings for memory earlier, they specifically said they had issues with Tasker and this solved it.

I've never used Tasker, but it sounds like an awful application. I guess it automates things...? I've never felt the need for it I spose.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Tasker is automation, yes, but, quite an intense app..

Check out what I've done with it..

http://wordpress.tinozplace.com

I did the memory settings, but I still have the problems. I am almost positive it has something is going haywire with ANR's.. It's too sensitive, most likely.
[RAZR HD Android Development] gtownie:
Been searching but can't find an answer - does CarbonRom natively support group MMS messages through the messages app? It is supported on Xenon, just checking on Carbon.

Thanks!!!
[RAZR HD Android Development] manuski:
I think I agree with this analysis. Unless that still relates to memory then I wouldn't know what settings to put them at. I always install root tool box just in case so I have settings for memory in there. Oom values and such. About to try 10/13 just to see what's up

Edit* hangouts seems to be part of the force closing too
[RAZR HD Android Development] Byakko Custom:
10-14 Nightly for xt925 and mb886 is up and running smooth... Has everything new from the 10-13 nightly (see changelog) , and lock screen rotation...

Runs smooth as ever, tethering works (AFAIK), however, I couldn't test MMS...
[RAZR HD Android Development] djuniah:
Yup, works fine for me! I was happy to finally get rid of GoSMS
[RAZR HD Android Development] gtownie:
Exactly what I was looking to hear. Thanks
[RAZR HD Android Development] Spidinator:
What version of gapps should I flash with carbon release 1.8?
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
1.8 is 4.2.2... so the last official gapps for 4.2.x were gapps-jb-20130301-signed.zip Mirror #1 Mirror #2 Mirror #3
[RAZR HD Android Development] gtownie:
I have no idea what to do. I created a backup using twrp 2.6.1, installed carbonrom and gapps. Now phone is stuck on Bootloader Unlocked screen, won't go past it. When I hard boot and go into TWRP, I cannot restore my backup (fails on restoring data). Reinstalled Carbon but then stuck at the bootloader screen again.

Any advice?
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Dang, that is a bit disturbing that your backup won't flash... just curious, is it on the internal or external SD?

Also, have you tried flashing another ROM perhaps? Maybe you got a bad download (did you check the md5sum...?)

Lastly, if you really think it's hosed - boot to fastboot and use RSD Lite to flash back to stock..
[RAZR HD Android Development] msassounian:
for what it's worth, i had a problem with TWRP exactly like this a while back...

it seemed all 4.3 roms just stopped flashing. i couldn't flash my backups of previuos ROMs either, would just hang on boot logo. I switched to CWM, and everything worked again.

the only thing i COULD flash to again, by the way, was my stock backup. did you try that?
[RAZR HD Android Development] gtownie:
Flashed about 10 times, rebooted countless others and got it to work. Afraid to reboot or flash anything else, so just hanging on for now.

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Unfortunately I can't get group mms to work. After all that, going back to xenon. Thanks for the help
[RAZR HD Android Development] gtownie:
Flashed last night's nightly, rebooted, and all my group mms messages came through. Will give carbon more time. Sorry to jump the gun. Thanks everyone for your help, rom running great now.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
LTE toggle seems to be broken again on Verizon. It was working a few nightlies ago before you guys redid the Tiles
[RAZR HD Android Development] djuniah:
Just an FYI for those with issues flashing with TWRP 2.6.1, i've built the latest version of TWRP for the xt926 and i i've been successfully flashing carbon with it.

LINK: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2476238
[RAZR HD Android Development] famac!:
I am on 10/9 and while i initially thought it worked better than 10/7 in regards to text messages, i am now thinking it does not. I have had messages sent to me simply not show up. For me, reliable text message is pretty important. Does anyone know of ANY Razr HD ROM that reliably delivers text messages?
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Hm, that stinks. I'll look into it.

I use Google Voice (not!! Voice+) and it works great for me. Obviously this type of feature is highly dependent on your carrier as well.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Zameus:
Flashing this ROM for the very first time. Did a full wipe ,etc. etc. and AOSP keyboard keeps crashing. Can't finish phone setup. Is the initial release of 4.3 a better option then the nightly? Thanks all! :confused:
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Hm, I've heard of this issue.

I think people were getting around it by tweaking the memory settings... Odd tho, I don't seem to have this issue at all (although I'm usually on my physical kb).
[RAZR HD Android Development] Zameus:
I'll try the initial release and report back. I did find a previous comment back in August. I just skimmed through it though. I'll go back and check it out if I crash as well using the initial release. :confused:
[RAZR HD Android Development] rokr1292:
still having problems with sending MMS, havent tried another app, but im up to dateon nightlies, now flashing arghhhhhs new kernel. 926 on verizon

Edit: MMS works fine now, maybe it was something i did. back on arghhs kernel :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] noobiest:
Please tell me exactly what you flashed and what you did to make it work. Not having it is killing me!
[RAZR HD Android Development] rokr1292:
Backup in recovery, wipe gratuitously, flash 10/15 nightly, flash PA 0-day gapps, setup and app restore, flash arghhhs kernel.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
My MMS stopped working awhile ago too (1015 nightly)...seems like over time it stops working...Clearing caches seems to have fixed it...both cache and daivlik

This started happening around 1006 with the nightlies...everything before that was pretty rock solid. I stopped flashing arrrghhhs kernel too to rule that out...miss the OC and battery life is not that great with interactive governor...but stock carbon runs pretty well.

Kinda hard for me to go back though. All the new features they're adding are nice. Hopefully theyll get this MMS thing figured out soon
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Tethering is broken with 10-15 but amazingly enough Tasker hasn't crashed yet. I guess you can't have the best of both worlds yet. I'll try the next few nightlies..

Tethering still broken on today's nightly

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What governor do you use to get added battery life?
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
I found Lulzactive gave the best balance with performance and battery life...over clocked to 1.99
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
What kinda battery life are you getting out of that? That's a pretty steep overclock
[RAZR HD Android Development] mza929:
Hi there - were can I find arghhhs kernel? I cant seem to locate the thread....
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Photon Q original development
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1893050
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Well.. I don't see how that's good battery life.. I went down 8% in less than 20 minutes with 1.89..
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
I'm at 89% after 2 hours with 30min of screentime.

There are a lot of variables in regards to battery life.
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Arghhh, whatever you've done with the ROM lately has really been kicking ass.. No more force closes on Tasker and the rest of the stuff that was closing. In glad I stuck with it....

Truly powerful ROM you have here.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Thanks buddy. It's about to get a whole lot more powerful too :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] Byakko Custom:
Is it kennel-related?

Can you give a hint about it? ?

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[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Haha, no not kernel related. I'm testing it now... Will let you know how it goes in a bit :good:
[RAZR HD Android Development] localceleb:
I am still getting MMS bug on 10/16 nightly. Tried both stock and arrrghhh kernel.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Yea, seems a lot of VZ users are.

Do third party apps like GoSMS fix the issue?
[RAZR HD Android Development] localceleb:
:confused:
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
Just a quick note.. Carbon fibers crashes at every boot with today's nightly
[RAZR HD Android Development] manuski:
I was able to use MMS better before but I flashed the 10/15kernel and now MMS is funky. I'm on 10/13 version of the ROM . and yes third party apps work.
[RAZR HD Android Development] GeorgeOSbeta:
VanquishKittiesN38.zip

Anyone have a link to VanquishKittiesN38.zip ?

Thank you in Advance.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
MMS still borked on 1017. But yes switching to a third party application seems to work (Handcent/Go SMS). The stock Carbon messaging looks much nicer though. Hope they get this worked out soon.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Yea, I noticed this too - just when you boot, and doesn't seem to really cause an issue... odd.

He is no longer supporting this kernel. I would not recommend using it.

I know... but this is really a carrier issue. None of the GSM folks have issues with MMS :(

CDMA for whatever reason does things its own way in respect to MMS, and I don't know of any custom ROM that handles this well. Most are CM-based, and CM doesn't handle it well at all...
[RAZR HD Android Development] GeorgeOSbeta:
kernel

Hi arrrghhh,

I'm just trying to avoid a bluetooth reboot, this kernel used to help the rom function great.

Do you know of a kernel that can fix these bluetooth reboots?

fyi im using a carbon 4.2.2 nightly.

thanks arrrrghhh
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
But it was working great up until 1006. Group MMS and everything.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Bluetooth reboots? Never heard of them. I spose if you're on an ancient version of Carbon, you can use an ancient kernel. Up to you!

Probably just placebo. Try flashing back to it I spose if it's that important? I doubt it would make any difference - people say it works, it doesn't, it works when I reboot, it works when I flip airplane mode on... there's all sorts of hokey things I see about MMS.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Lol well thanks for the brutal honesty. It actually offended me at first to be honest, because I've been flashing nightlies since the earliest 4.2.2. But in order to rule everything out though and prove you wrong, I decided to do a factory reset. MMS appears to be working now.

So all users having MMS issues, it appears to arise from dirty flashing.

LTE toggle for Verizon XT926 is definitely still not working though after factory reset. LTE toggle is selecting "CDMA/EvDo/GSM/WCDMA " under mobile networks instead of the correct setting for Verizon, which is "CDMA + LTE/EvDo"
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
So you clean flashed the latest and it works now? Interesting.

As for the LTE toggle, I think we are looking at that. Not sure why it broke, unless it was something to do with those new toggles...
[RAZR HD Android Development] gtownie:
Just to chime in, when I flash each nightly (even a dirty flash), on the initial boot I get a bunch of missed MMS messages that had accumulated. Then over the course of the day or so MMS just stops working. I wonder if that problem will happen to the user who posted above about a clean flash fixing it. Curious to hear if MMS continues working or stops at some point.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Yeah and was able to restore with sms backup & restore and still have it working. Something not jiving well with the old data.

Also tried to just restore the data partition from a newly made backup in TWRP, mms was still jacked. Clean flashed and tried your 1015 kernel, mms still jacked. Not sure if the kernel thing is even related but I'm just relaying my experiences. I've been using your kernel for a while but stopped using it after it seemed to mess with the mms.

I've had to manually restore all my apps and data in Titanium to get my phone back up to speed. Everything is working great now though :) Aside from the LTE toggle.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Xplorer4x4:
Has pie support been added yet?
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Yes, PA's PIE is in the ROM.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Xplorer4x4:
Thanks is it fully customizable? Last time I tried carbon it either had no pie or no way to customize it through the regular tom settings.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
You'll have to try it for yourself, I don't use PIE personally.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
So, anyone still getting closes when multiple apps are running the background? I can replicate it almost every time with both Pandora and navigation running simultaneously.
[RAZR HD Android Development] lslacker:
Confirmed. Over the course of the day MMS eventually stops working...ugghhh this is frustrating
[RAZR HD Android Development] jldr:
Ok. Because I always run the latest nightly and this is still a problem. Someone needs to reverse the commit that triggered this nonsense.
[RAZR HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
He was confirming the MMS issue recurs after a day of usage.

I just tried what you said - fired up Pandora, opened Maps. While Pandora is playing, I found a destination on Maps, went to Navigation... been running for about 10 minutes now, no problems.

So perhaps there's something you are doing, not sure. Using some battery saving apps perhaps?
[RAZR HD Android Development] abuttino:
arghhh, we all have confirmed that there are no agressive battery saving applications. Something is way too sensitive and FC applications..

I will be more than happy to give you exactly what you want, and I suggest any users with Force Close problems follow his direction..

Please post EXACTLY how you want the logcat, for those inexperienced, which program to use and any parameters needed. (ADB Logcat? aLogcat?)

I can replicate it with ease, so this shouldn't be a problem.