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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
So more than likely they will not ever push that update to my phone?

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Thing with that is IMO the whole "bounty" thing is stupid. I understand for exploits like boot loader and root or whatever, those can be difficult and the reward is motivation for anybody working on it. But something like this, if possible, would take any experienced Dev 10 minutes. We shouldn't have to bribe them.

I'd say there's a 100% chance you'll never see that update.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Not with MF1 but there may be ODINs in the future that can bring you up to the latest. Hopefully one day there will me a MF3 or later ODIN. Those leak

And I agree we shouldn't have to bribe them but man... We need to get devs on this device...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
That's a bummer. Oh well. I will root again and start setting up my phone to my liking instead of waiting for the update. Thanks fellas.

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] paleh0rse:
Did you set the proper permissions on the file after copying the apk?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kjfan985:
Yes I did rw-rr right? but now I have a big problem I can not install root again it gives me a error and I don't want to odin to mf1...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] paleh0rse:
Using Root Explorer, the permissions on apk's in system/app should always look like (rw-r--r--):
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kjfan985:
yeah they were like that...have any idea how I can fix my phone? I uninstalled busy box it and was unsuccessful and now I can't root again
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] paleh0rse:
I honestly have no idea my friend, I'm sorry! :(
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kjfan985:
look's like Im going rootless for a while untill/if there a a odin that can restore to mf2 then
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] my-blue-snog-box:
I'm hoping that maybe somebody can help me. I am a new android user. I've been lurking for the past month and a half, picking up a little here and there. Here's where I'm at:

My S4 Active is getting replaced via warranty (the charger port stopped working. I got it wet, but they don't know that and none of the water-damage indicators were activated). I know the S4A has a locked bootloader. Is there any way at all I can back up the phone I currently have and restore it on the new one? Please help a newb out. I'd really appreciate it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dave5777:
Install Samsung Kies on a PC and do a backup then restore your new phone, it will not restore app data but it will restore all your apps photos contacts misc.

If you're rooted use titanium backup it will backup all apps and data you still need to root your new phone to restore it with TB.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kjfan985:
Can we update with kies? or no?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Kies sucks I tried that when I was getting a replacement active and it didn't restore apps and barely restored everything else
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jtl6060:
Wasn't impressed with the headphone volume output on my S4 Active (not for my headphones specifically but for my aux input in my car) . Had iPhones previously and they were def louder than this phone.

I found a thread and applied it to my phone. Sound is much louder now via headphone and back speaker.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2293133

PS. I found the moderate volume file in the second post of the thread to be just right.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dave5777:
No att Bastards won't allow it

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On your new phone before you restore you have to enable unknown sources and un check verify apps. I've v done it recently worked perfect.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] vdsvdroid:
For All Firmwares

I have red quite few posts about people here being worried and messed up their phones trying to update from MF1.

To all people here that are concerned about firmwares MF1, MF2, MF3.........

I have Root currently on MF1, yes MF1 and I actually like it. For me, the phone works better than when I was on MF2 and MF3 . Several things that I can point out is 1. Sound is better, louder, of the speakerphone,Ringing and in call, 2. hoovering with finger works better, from higher distance from screen. 3. Battery life is the same, signal strength is the same, all features on device are the same,did not see any difference in pictures and video quality. So what is the big difference....? If you look on your kernel build date , MF1 is May 31.2013..... on MF3 is end of June 2013, Ok, so what did Samsung could possible change in less than a month that is so different, given the fact that major changes need extensive testing and debugging, they did not changed anything major. To me only few apps for ATT were updated and few minor things were changed.

Apparently S4Active is not supported for firmware update over Kies, those that are still on MF2 or MF3 can you check for firmware update in Kies with phone connected to computer and without phone connected, and post what the outcome is.

Also, for those that tried with changed Build.prop, after the install failed, can you try updating it thru KIes and post here?

For those on MF1, that are worried about future updates,well , In the next few months or by the end of this year Android 5 is suppose to be out, for sure Samsung and ATT will have to update their products ( because of competition ) and that is gonna be major upgrade,not just some 18-19 MB, then I think it will be available for all users without difference in MF1, 2 or 3 and in my opinion it will be over Kies , not over FOTA because of the size of the update file.

So, I like my phone the way it is now and will see what the new Android 5 will bring aboard.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Thanks! wish i knew that before setting up my phone over and over
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Here you go http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/att-samsung-galaxy-s4-active-poses-for-the-camera-19-06-2013/ dive blue like you wanted. It looks too blue for me
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] :
Wait. The Xperia Z screen is what is used? Oh hell no the screen sucks on that phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] whitecrane:
So, are we anticipating it will be extremely easy to flash stock Google experience ANDROID to the phone since Google is porting it over themselves?

Will OTA updates be okay, since we'll be running stock kernels and ROM's, but not from Samsung?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I don't trust his statement. I have not read that ANYWHERE. Just because it is TFT does NOT mean it is the same. I think he is speculating. If you look at the reviews the Active screen looks a lot better than the Z

Nothing will be known until a dev gets his hands on one of these units. It will probably be the same besides drivers for the screen and camera but we wont know yet. I HOPE
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] whitecrane:
I am seriously on the fence with buying an unlocked Galaxy S4 from the nexus store just to have stock Google. My galaxy S2 i777 was practically useless with Touchwiz Gingerbread on it. Slow, unstable. It was so bad I missed my iPhone, and I hate iOS. Just hoping to avoid another out-of-the-box disappointment.

Obviously custom ROMs fixed the issue, but I am not a flashaholic.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] NovaSlim:
Only Sony have 5" 1080p TFT LCD panel on their phones, since Samsung have no recent foray in TFT LCD panels it is just an educated guess(I guess I should have qualified that in my original statement, added). It might not be the exact one on the Xperia Z and might be an improve version, but the source is definitely Sony given what is available on the market.

If it were Super LCD then it might be a improved version on what is used on HTC One/Butterfly, but since it is TFT and only Sony makes TFT panels for phones the source is clearly from Sony and derived off the ones used on the Xperia Z.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I can tell you that it can't be the one on the Z. It looks washed out but from the reviews I see it looks a lot sharper so unless Sony did something to the Z to cause it to suck more I would say it is not the same. I'm not sure about the TFT only going to sony, I'm sure other companies can make it but either way all the reviews say it is awesome... brighter than the current S4 and really sharp. I will be able to tell you tomorrow.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] NovaSlim:
Other company could make it, but the only one with a large scale production line already running for 5" 1080p TFT panel is Sony. Those "other companies" would have to open up a production line just for Samsung to make GS4A and likely won't be able to match Sony in quantity & price.

So what would Samsung take? A company with limited production experience and capacity in term of TFT production or a company already producing 5" 1080p TFT LCD screens on a large scale?

Samsung doesn't strictly source in house either, the 16GB eMMC on GS4 comes from Toshiba instead of Samsung in the one IFixit tore down, they just go for the best avliable supplier in term of volume, quality & Price.

Btw I am not criticizing the quality of the display, just saying it is most likely made by Sony. Xperia Z released 4 month ago, I would be shocked if Sony haven't figured out what is wrong with its screen and started producing a new batch with fixes.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah I understand and Sony makes some of the BEST LCD screens, I just don't think it is the same crappy display as the Z and for that reason I am happy. If it is I probably wont keep the phone
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
I really wish people would stop saying that they went with LCD because OLED is more prone to water damage.

Trust me, LCD or OLED, if you get a water intrusion YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

The body is sealed. No water is getting inside. If it does, boom, headshot. LCD or OLED.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] NovaSlim:
Water damages the Organic materials in an OLED display, I guess that is hard to comprehend? Enough water leakage will destroy both, but OLED is more vulnerable because the organic materials in the panel itself.

Water damage is listed in every OLED pro/con list you will find in Internet searches when you google, I don't see water damage listed as a Con when you search LCD pro/con.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] khaytsus:
Water intrusion would damage the entire phone. LCD or OLED.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] xsaqzw:
Well, thank you for that! I actually like the color. However, after doing some research on the SMOLED vs. TFT LCD display, I decided to pick up another S4. This time in white, as the black never looked clean.

I didn't really need the waterproof part, as I've never had water damage on a phone. *knock on wood* The part I was most looking forward to was the drop/shock proof protection. To me though, the downgrade in screen just isn't worth it. And yes, I do know that the LCD would technically be able to be brighter than the SMOLED, as well as the colors being a bit more accurate, albeit more washed out. I do have 14 days to return this phone, so if I decide to go to the active, I won't even really lose money. Since it has a $35 restocking fee, and the regular S4 is ~$40 more, it would even out.

The other kicker was that I couldn't pick it up in anything over 16gb. I know, I know. The white S4 I purchased is also 16gb.

We'll see what happens when other people start receiving their Active's. I need to be able to see the screen in person to decide for myself. I just have too much to keep up with and do to warrant waiting a few extra days for practically the same phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AutoUnion:
Wish it was a darker blue. That's baby blue

- sent from Galaxy S4

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Yeah. I'm surprised. They know how to make a top quality TV. The screen on my Z was terrible

- sent from Galaxy S4

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If I can find someone to trade me, I'll get the Active. If not, hopefully all the S5s will be waterproof :(

- sent from Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
My active is patiently waiting at home for me to get off work :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Make a video!

OT: Anyone know when this phone should be popping up on Amazon Wireless?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] xsaqzw:
Seconded!! Or at least a bunch of HD pictures.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
Maybe I'll whip out the gopro for some pov unboxiing action for you guys ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] xsaqzw:
That would be greatly appreciated :D

What color did you order? Do you have the regular S4 now?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mrtramplefoot:
Blue and yeah I have a white s4 currently
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
I'm gonna hold you to this. ;)

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Problem is, we won't GET Android 5. We can't take updates.

Edit: I didn't read the whole post sorry. To be honest I was thinking the same thing: the update will entirely overwrite the partitions on the device(except user data) and then hopefully that'll help us out. Or like you said AT&T will be the cheap money grubbing bastards they are and only distribute the large update via kies. This is wishful thinking though and may not happen, in which case we're still screwed.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
Dang it man. Why did I oneclick back to mf1. Shoulda just stayed put
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] vdsvdroid:
Well, I think it is all about competition,

When SONY first announced their waterproofed phone XPERIA Z , Samsung had no choice but to fallow. When all other phone manufacturers that have Android devices out in the world start rolling and upgrading to Android 5, what would happen to Samsung and ATT that are major players in this game if they don't ? They will loose a lot of customers. They can not afford that to happen and they do not want this to happen , so they do not have much of a choice but to follow the big game,especially Samsung, that they have to compete with Apple in the US. So it may not be at the very beginning when new Android 5 comes out , but it is not gonna be very long after that when update is gonna be available. In my own opinion, new Android 5 for ATT S4/S4Active users in the US will be available either for Thanks Giving or Christmas at the latest, given that Google release new version 5 on time.Also the fact that this is gonna be whole new major upgrade to the operating system , I would think that is not gonna be less than current S4Active ROM dump , which is about 1.5 GB, and also most of the phones have 16 GB memory. Again , in my opinion,

they can not take chances to roll this major upgrade over FOTA , because they don't know how much free memory each user have at the moment, plus the phone have to be in firmware upgrade mode for this upgrade. So we'll see in not so far future.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
Man I hope you guys are right. I sure would hate to miss out on a new fw
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah.. there will be a long space between the next major update, plenty of time for development or maybe a leak or something. I wouldn't worry. MF1 you aren't missing anything anyways
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Gorgenapper:
Hey all, I picked up a Galaxy S4 Active (Dive Blue color), and should receive it sometime next week. It'll be my first Android device, after a handful of years spent in the iOS walled garden (iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S), with increasingly less than satisfactory results as I watch next gen devices leapfrog the current gen iPhone.

A couple of questions... after rooting the device, is it easy to locate and ditch the AT&T/Samsung bloatware? I don't want to get rid of something and find out that it was essential to my device. I plan to debrand the AT&T stuff off my device as much as possible, except for the logo on the back.

Secondly, is there a way to get updates to Android, or will I have to wait for a bootloader unlock before I can install custom ROMs on it, including any custom ROMs containing stock Android 4.3, 5.0, etc.?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Welcome to the android camp! I realized the same thing when I jumped ship from my iPhone 4 to the GS2. You made a good decision and I guarantee you won't be going back.

You can freeze all the apps prefixed with "AT&T" like navigator, my account etc with no adverse affects. You can also disable all the "S" apps like S Note, S Voice etc. And you can get rid of all the "Samsung" apps as well like Samsung My Account etc. Only one I wouldn't touch is Samsung setup wizard.

Our locked boot loader makes it so we can only do little tweaks here and there, no custom ROMs. A lot like the perpetual state of iPhone development.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Welcome to the club, I left Apple a while ago and I am VERY happy with my active

Yes, right after you root you can locate the apps you do not need and remove. There is a thread floating around here with a list of safe apps to remove. We get our updates through AT&T but we will receive updates as they come. If a bootloader unlock becomes available we may get them a little faster but for now we wait for AT&T to approve and send them. You will want to rename the update apk right after you root so it doesn't update on you without letting you know. Let us know if you need any help with anything, as always read twice before modding anything. We do have a ODIN for you to restore to but that should always be a last resort.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
great news! Looks like AT&T and Samsung will be exchanging water damaged Actives for a one-time thing http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/06/...reportedly-exchange-that-water-damaged-galax/
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Gorgenapper:
Thanks for the welcome, I actually realized that I wasn't really happy with Apple after half a year spent with my iPhone 4S and watching as the Galaxy S3 was teased and released. I didn't pick up the GS3 because of the AMOLED screen and colour inaccuracy, but it was mighty tempting for a while.

My decision to jump ship is because of the annoyances and restrictions of iOS that I run into (iTunes is the devil, so is a locked-down filesystem), and Apple's stubborn refusal to give us a larger device with current gen specs. 3.5" screens don't cut it anymore, and the 4" elongated screen of the iPhone 5 is just insulting. It's like asking for a Kona mountain bike as an upgrade from your Huffy, and getting a repainted Huffy with arm bars and a baseball card strapped to the rear tire.

Thanks. Hmm, I'm in Canada and not on the AT&T network. That means I won't get the OTA updates from AT&T, correct? I'll still kill the update thing before it kills me. Really, what I desire as far as updates goes are updates to the underlying Android itself, I'd be happy with pure stock Android.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fegarciaii:
Great way to "upgrade" the firmware from MF1?!! I threw mine in a bucket of water.. but it held up good. Course I didn't keep it in there long. Maybe a few more dunks could do the trick! :p
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Well, I'd probably wait until the details come out (or at least confirmation). I'd hate to blow a ONE-TIME exchange just to trade one working phone for another. With my luck, I'd drop the new phone into a sink the next day, and be S.O.L. Now... when Android 5.0 gets pushed to all the S4 Actives, and you're missing out because of MF1... that'd be a different story.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I wouldn't waste my one time replacement on something that we will probably figure out in the future...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fegarciaii:
True! Agree with that....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kjfan985:
I bought my active off ebay I did not buy it from att wonder if they would let me replace mine in the event it got water inside?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] newbie2006:
and I got mine off amazon too... hmmm.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] my-blue-snog-box:
Thanks so much. I backed it all up with TB (decided to get the donate version). Backed up to my external SD and Google Drive, restored it on the new phone, and PRESTO! It worked wonderfully! Thanks for helping out a noob.

I do have another question if someone could help me out: every 5-10 minutes, I am getting a notification: "Detection information: The device has detected an application attempting unpermitted actions. To protect your device, it is recommended you reboot". Rebooting doesn't help this. Rooted, SuperuserSU installed, BusyBox installed, "Unknown Sources" allowed, "Verify Apps" unchecked. What can I do about this?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] LeJay:
Sorry for spamming the att thread, but I noticed a couple of ppl with the international sgs4 active.

Just wanna say cwm and the first rom has trickled out. Could use more people working on it, though.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2395242

Let me know if there's a thread for the international version to spam in instead... It's a little confusing without a proper forum to post in.

also, get that bootloader unlocked, guys. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
Rename or delete Knox Agent.apk

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Even though it is bitter sweet. I am so glad to see development on the Active. Hopefully one day we can flash and play. Keep up the good work!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] kjfan985:
I love CyanogenMod hmmm maybe I should have bought that i9295 version...I actually don't mind touchwiz tho hopefully soon we can get this worked out so us who are stuck on mf1 won't be left behind...:good:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] my-blue-snog-box:
Was anyone able to get this to work? I followed the instructions exactly and it's still saying I'm unsupported.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dligon:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...acement-for-a-water-damaged-galaxy-s4-active/
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Milenko2121:
Which ROMs actually work for the active? Just bought it and I'm a little confused because none of the ROMs state which version of the device they are meant for.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
That has already been posted multiple times
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Roms only work with the international i9295 because it has an unlocked bootloader, ours is locked so it is not for us
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ceo.mtcl:
Stock - the one that came with the phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] greeneyez15o:
Hey active users if ur stuck on mf1 or mf2 finally figured how to update, 1st u nust return completely back to stock, so I hope u have back ups of apps that were installed, next TURN OFFFFFF UsB debugging now update!

Not much of a diference with update but its kool nowin that I can get the 4.2.3 release wich is supposably comin soon for our active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fegarciaii:
Thanks for the tip...gonna make a backup before I try it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
do you need to do anything else? Modify build.prop..... anything? I'm going to replace the One Click ODIN link with a mini tutorial so I need this info
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
How to restore to factory MF1 (Warning this is a pre-release version with no way to update MF3 yet. Once a way is found I will update this post)

Thanks to designgears for posting the ODIN, and the anonymous user that provided designgears with it.

1. Download the ODIN flash from here (this is the pre-release MF1 firmware)

2. Extract using the password from the website above

3. Put your device in download mode by rebooting while holding volume down

4. Run ODIN and enjoy
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] greeneyez15o:
Did it work for everyone ? ? ?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] thatbigmoose:
Cruzerlite just sent me their case. Review incoming this afternoon or early tomorrow.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] yankeesfan714:
Not yet. What exactly do we need to edit?

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