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[Xperia Z General] Quickmcj:
Hi emailpeter

The Sugru is still holding up, I think the combined properties of good strength and flexibility will make sure the backplate never lifts from the frame. I have bent the phone rather much after the Sugru cured and the troublesome top left corner on the backside has not gone anywhere so far.

I hope your solution will keep the phone waterproof. As you mention, it seems that even the Z3 is not entirely without similar problems. It is kinda sad because all other aspects of these phones leaves a good impression. I guess we have to wait and see what the Z4 will be like :)
[Xperia Z General] emailpeter:
Hi Quickmcj,

Its good to know your Sugru is fine. I encountered unbonding after 6 mths with rubber contact adhesive, if you encounter that, can always unseal and move toward my Aradite route. Its the flexing (mostly), drops and temp changes that breaks its original foam seal. All Xperia Z/Z1/Z2/Z3 use this foam seals, eventually they weaken to allow water entry:-

As I pressed the cover back, I left some excess adhesive at edge to allow for strong traction. Its stiff like a steel block now, lets hope the waterproof will last.

Sony is playing a misleading game on waterproofing, by using foam glue tape to seal phones. For such a premium phone, they are only waterproof for up to a year. Its such a touch and go chance of flooding the insides, usually with fatal consequence. Without a good sustainable sealing method, this will be my last Xperia. There are so many other lower priced and better non-waterproof Android phones avail to one. I will never pay a high price and be Sony's beta tester for such a feature, we are not their guinea pigs.
[Xperia Z General] patroll:
Z2 back class coming of and warranty

Hello. Just wanted to tell that the back class of my xperia z2 started coming of from the right corner (viewed from the back). I also notised some dust inside the camera module. Took it to the warranty service and everything is now fixed. It was free because of the warranty. Dont know how long the seal is going to last though.

Service was done in Finland.
[Xperia Z General] smardu:
Good, after 21 months my back has lifted and the phone was sent to warranty...lucky me, in 7 days a new phone arrived.

Same luck 2 years ago with xperia T which had an issue with the rubber on the back, lol
[Xperia Z General] Tsais:
I just noticed this problem after having my Z2 phone just sit in Sony's charger for a couple of months, using it as a wifi hotspot.

The back has completely come loose along the entirety of 2 of the 4 edges. The innards of the phone seem to be pushing it out, as there's a 3mm gap. if I push the glass with my fingers to be flush with the frame, there's a bulge in the middle. I thought it must be a bad battery bulging out, but after using google, I saw some people say its the "NFC pins" whatever that is...

Is that back really glass btw? It seems rather flexible for glass...

Someone also said you can just buy a new glass back with better glue strips.

Not that I can see why I should have to buy a new back for a 6 months old phone, that's been handled with extreme care and is like new.
[Xperia Z General] cyrom:
A year and few months with my z1, the lcd itself slightly comes off on the mid right corner, the ring on the power button comes off and also the speaker grill..
[Xperia Z General] rado77:
And what is the root cause of this issue? Is it the time (appr. 1 year) when sealing loses it's properties? Or is it water which causes this effect? Or maybe enormous heating inside the phone?
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
i dont know why many of you guys are having issues with the glue, if your device is getting hot, leave it be, dont use it. Ive been using my Z for over 2 years now and its still running fine, dropped like X number of times and the screen/back didnt crack, and no, i dont have any cases on, no loose ends on either side of the glass front/back.

What i have to measure my CPU temperature is Status Bar Mini PRO i have the CPU temp. on 24/7 and it goes on top of everything i do, infact, it doesnt even take up much space. (check the SS below, i have it at the bottom right, as shown, currently it is at 19 degrees celsius.) I live in Vancouver and in the summer time or when i do heavy work (barely) it reaches to nearly 45 degrees Celsius. It rarely reaches that high right now since its still cold here, usually below 40, and if it reaches that high i just leave the phone to cool for a minute or two.

another suggestion is dont use a case, i havent used one at all, but based on my own knowledge, i think heat gets trapped more when you use a case. and its easier for the back to cool off when its just glass at the back.

if you get a new xperia, i suggest you dump it into water right away to see if there are any loose ends, non-tight areas that may allow water to enter. trust me on this, my friend recently bought a Z3 and the screen messed up after the first dip into water. secondly, i would recommend to take care of your phone properly, try not to be clumsy, especially when the front and back are glass, use screen protectors, it helps hold the glass together.

other than that, if you have a defected phone to begin with, then its just your bad luck. just remember to get things tested before the deadline, most carriers or whereever you get your phone from offer 7-14 days exchange, at least in Vancouver it is. good luck bros.!
[Xperia Z General] Darkimmortal:
This is simply FUD.

Any phone with a recovery mode that offers any options beyond formatting and flashing an update zip signed by the OEM has a major security flaw.

If you want a recovery mode that can actually fix your phone without having to format it, you root and modify the phone. It's the same for any phone and any manufacturer. You sacrifice security for safety of data.
[Xperia Z General] 100rabh7791:
Hey Guys i have a doubt

Well as i am also suffering from raised back cover like you guys .... Is it advisable to use a little bit of FeviQuick to stick the raised part of the back or will it damage my phone in anyway ?
[Xperia Z General] xdagfg:
My cover did come also off and i ordered from ebay that foam glue tape.Worked fine for 2 weeks.Then i notice the corner of the back cover raised again a little. I removed again that foam glue tape cleaned all, and used normal silicon (transparent).You have to be bit carefull how to apply it cause it can easy get messy.After 2 months i didnt notice any difference in the back cover(corners).Problem solved.
[Xperia Z General] ahmed1186:
can anyone help me please with a screen issue?

http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z/help/replaced-screen-black-t3203488
[Xperia Z General] emrecicek58:
Sagol
[Xperia Z General] Natschlaus:
So my panel is coming lose as well and now I will fix it and replace the battery at the same time.

Question is: Since the components inside put pressure on the place, is it possible to put the phone together without the NFC antenna and it still works?

I never even use NFC and therefore would just put the panel without it.
[Xperia Z General] liveroy:
Yes it will work without the nfc antenna, no problem.
[Xperia Z General] Natschlaus:
Turns out the phone didn't have it in the first at place. Now I know why it was so cheap to buy. :D
[Xperia Z General] liveroy:
Since you don't use it (I also don't), it didn't matter, now did it? :)
[Xperia Z General] TravisBean:
The backplate on my Sony Ultra Z has started to come loose in one section. I Put A little dab of heavy duty super glue there and put a clamp on it. I'm going to let it dry overnight and hopefully, it might fix it?
[Xperia Z General] TravisBean:
The fix lasted 2 days
[Xperia Z General] dantistruct:
Thanks alot mate that worked like a charm I didn't have it clamp down over night though just a good 30 minutes or so if it rises I'll do it over night tonight but so far so good (2 hours) thanks!
[Xperia Z General] :
Yes that's a general problem... Ok not exactly a problem but when this happens your water resistance walks out of the window.... Better seek out your nearest Sony service or your providers store... It's a warranty covered issue... Had it myself, but since my workplace is an accredited service center I was able to do it myself. Don't try yourself because the " un-sticky sticky thing" need to be replaced. Dust, humidity can leak in the device. Be safe.

Mine is 13W10 AAC still had it... Next time I will go for builders silicone...

Sent from my C6603
[Xperia Z General] alexpraga:
Did you put some heat as well or you just clamp it?

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] dantistruct:
I applied heat first then used clamp
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Mine after 3 days has lifted back. How is yours?

p. s. I've been using the clamps for 1 hour only.
[Xperia Z General] nxkr:
i hope warranty covers it .. it does heat up quite alot but still thank god havent faced your problem.. good luck mate
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Here in Romania Sony Service isnt quite well responsive, I will have to take serious time to argue with them. Still the lift isnt that high, I will try to let the clamps more and if that still doesnt work I will try to go to Sony.
[Xperia Z General] sosoro:
Your warranty is covert directly by Sony or by an service that is not related?
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Directly by Sony, but I don't think they will do something about it because you have to look very close and well to see the lift. I will try but they are in a different area then mine so I have to go personally there.
[Xperia Z General] gadjet:
Bad design?

I have noticed on My Z that the glass adhesive on the back is failing, in the area that gets hot the most, i.e. from the printed Xperia log on back right up to the camera lens on the left side only. The glass creaks when pushed down slightly, I clean the phone every day and this problem has only just started this week, I have had my Z it since its release on 28 Febuary on 3.

Not sure if I should contact my network 3 or Sony? what do you guys think?
[Xperia Z General] uberlaggydarwin:
Mine seems fine.

I've had it since February
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Let's start documenting this issue, replete with manufacturing dates so as to pinpoint which batches might have this problem.

Mine is a C6602, 13W07 and I have no problems whatsoever
[Xperia Z General] olafs93:
13W10 no probs here.
[Xperia Z General] naathaan4:
You should contact them if yours if from the Xperia logo to the camera lens. That's a pretty big distance compared to mine.

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C6603 13W09 Problem here
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
C6603 13W10 Problem.

Has anyone fix it like for a long period of time?

I saw the disassemble video of the xperia z on youtube and If you heat up the phone long enough ( I saw some comments for about 5 minutes with the hair drier ) the glue il eventually become soft and the back glass can be taken off. So theoretically when the glue becomes soft I you apply the amount of pressure to stick it right then it should not be a problem?

My guess is like the glue has a problem, one guy said that ( donottouch see post #62 )

Also I'm afraid that the water resistance has gone when the back lifted.
[Xperia Z General] gadjet:
Yep

Hi naathaan4.

Sending back tomorrow, diden't want to risk water getting in under glass!!
[Xperia Z General] marcoplo:
!

13w06

Well in my case the glass makes funny noise when squeezing from the "volume down button" up right to the top.:confused: "addicted to most wanted 2012"

I am going to CarPhoneWarehouse tommorrow

I wish the phone manufacturer reinvent the good, tested, old fashion screws.
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
lenovo K900 ;)
[Xperia Z General] andrew_wang916:
must try when it get serious.

mine uplift abit, also only at top left near the camera lens. I don't always play games but sometime phone do heat up due to games.

hope it won't affect the phone's water resistance as I do clean phone sometimes, but never submerge the phone yet. ><
[Xperia Z General] Alcatrazx:
.... bad .... very bad

Here's a quick tip for those of you going through this issue.....

I checked it out yesterday and there seems to be no lift BUT I have not played for long stretches on it and nor did I overheat it too much. Fact is the phone is sealed so it does not dissipate heat all too well.

Remedy?

1. When using it for intensive things, it makes a lot of sense to use it flat on another surface to help distribute heat ... for example a glass or metal surface. . essentially something that feels cooler ... So yes when water cooled the XZ won't cause this issue (ironically) :(

2. Buy a crystal cover which fits very tightly to the case .... (I use the one from Imak). This may help keep the cover in place when heating up and also transfers heat quite well.

Hope this helps reduce your frustration ....

On second thought we now have a remedy for when the battery dies :) Play your favourite intensive game and the cover pops out on its own like magic and voila you can change it :)

(Every dark cloud has a silver lining .... )
[Xperia Z General] alexpraga:
Any suggestions for free intensive games we can use for this purpose? I just play card games and such...

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] cordonbleu:
You can try 'FRONTLINE COMMANDO: D-DAY' for example.
[Xperia Z General] californicated:
I'd prefer Hello Kitty Cafe :victory:
[Xperia Z General] alexpraga:
I think I am more a commando kind of guy... Thanks anyway.

Sent from my Xperia Z

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Anything below 20 MB?

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] californicated:
I remember Triple Town made my SGS2 pretty warm although it's quiet small.

But why do you want your phone to heat up?
[Xperia Z General] Ploedman:
Same problem here. You can feel the difference.

13W11 AAC
[Xperia Z General] douglam:
From the video, it's scary to see that the only thing preventing water from going in the back of the glass panel is the ring of adhesive that goes around the frame! Better not take chances if you see the glass lifted up.

But the video does not show how they reassemble the glass panel. Which is very important.
[Xperia Z General] mbleyot:
whoops that so unlucky.. :o
[Xperia Z General] sebastianlow:
Mine also has a slight bulge near the camera lens. Still waterproof :) 13W13
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Is been a week and a half since I did that ``operation`` with heating up the phone for 30 minutes with SG: DeadZone then apply 3-4 minutes of heat from the hair-drier then put 4 clamps on the back on the phone an left it for about 12 hours like that. Today still is at his place, more of that last week I've made some underwater videos in my friend's swimming pool, no problems, checked the white markers, no problems. I hope it stays that way!
[Xperia Z General] douglam:
While it's good to know that we have a patch to the problem, but this does not change the fact that the adhesive that Sony used cannot handle the heat generated by the phone itself. I'm pretty sure that if the underlying problem is not fixed, the problem will return sooner or later.
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
The fact is that I didnt play any games in this period after I've done that operation. I'm going on holiday tuesday and I will use to phone to make couple of calls per day so the phone wont heat up I will see for how long the black glass will stay in this position.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Hmmm... Have you tried opening up the engine of your car? :) You'll be shocked then knowing that only a rubber adhesive(gasket) is preventing leakage of high pressure air and exhaust in there. :p
[Xperia Z General] douglam:
Hmmmm... well I'm not really shocked because the last time I checked mine, there are bolts and nuts to secure and compress the gasket between the engine pieces in the car. Maybe yours is different?

In this phone, there are no screws on the back panel to secure it down except the sticky adhesive.

Not exactly the same right? :)
[Xperia Z General] sucker for sony's:
I don't know if this is relevant but a friend of mine got a xz on contract with O2, A week later it was in his pocket and just started to burn up (without reason) to the point where it burned to touch. The rear glass had come unglued the board had melted and the battery was swollen! It had never seen a drop of water either and always used the original charger, took it back to O2 shop and they replaced it immediately without question. This incident made me wonder how many of you guys who have experienced problems are on a contract phone, because I am on no contract and still on .350fw with no problems at all. So I am wondering if there could be a problem with the network Roms maybe?
[Xperia Z General] dantistruct:
I think the problems were in the earlier firmwares where the phone usually would really heat up for no reason when it's on idle, which they fixed in the contrast correction update which I think is .305, ever since then it has stopped that issue and now in the 4.2.2 update my phone haven't even feel the heat it used to even when running games. My issue of the glass coming unglued has been resolved with a hair dryer and the clamps.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Yeah not exactly the same... :D But that phone is tight fitted. Anyways I agree :p tight fitting isn't comparable with bolts and nuts :) My only point there is heat pressure on the engine vs heat on a phone.
[Xperia Z General] zohaib0001:
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[Xperia Z General] Anicane:
After reading about Xperia Z and all its fault, i am beginning to doubt weather to buy it or not.. xD, if it becomes too warm and the back glass flips out, that is a serious problem... But i really like this phone.. So i don't know.
[Xperia Z General] hamud.q:
there is double of these people without any single problem , if you like it , go and buy it , it's really a great price of hardware .
[Xperia Z General] Rajinn:
same problem is happening to my phone, noticed it after my phone died to water damage. there's quite a bit of lift, and it turns out a water faucet is pretty good at letting you know your phone is not waterproof. i called sony about it and they said if the glass is lifting then it is physical damage which is not covered by the warranty and took the time to inform me that my warranty was also voided because of the physical damage.

thanks obama.
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
After 3 weeks the lift is back, not as high as in the photos in the first post, but is lifted. I will go to a Sony Service Center to have a look at it but I don't know when. I will let you know if I've solved something.
[Xperia Z General] radoshka:
Well, there is adhesive tape that holds the backplate on ebay and its cheap. I have never tried it as my back is fine, but maybe it will help some of you. http://www.ebay.com/itm/5X-OEM-Batt...er_Cell_Phone_Accessories&hash=item20d43e0d5d
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
That means that I have to unglue my backplate then put that adhesive tape? No way I'm doing that. Thanks for the tip, it is cheap thought :)
[Xperia Z General] alexpraga:
Anyone with experience in replacing this item? The video I saw, but it only shows the disassembly of the unit.

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Just reverse the steps, it says in the video comments on Youtube.
[Xperia Z General] alexpraga:
But, for instance, where is the sticky thing? On the phone or in the glass plate? How it comes out completely? Does it melt as a paste?

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] JasonX199:
I once took off the rear glass to dry my phone cause it had waterdamage, but the rear glass is very hard to fit after you take it off. Water resistense isn't guaranteed either

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] alexpraga:
I'm really not worried about swimming with my Z. What do you mean hard to fit? Did you managed to glue it again with a hairdryer?

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] dizzyb0y:
when i read this thread i immediately check my xz if its lifted like the one in the picture but, thank god its not. i also clean my phone in the faucet sometime and do a lot of heavy gaming on my phone, i guess that case is one in a million
[Xperia Z General] Nanohearted:
Just found this thread. I've been facing that problem for about a month though and thought I was the only one.

Coz I am from Singapore, I would like to know any other from sg facing the same or similar issue?
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
I don't know the answer to that, but I think is melting , that is what I saw from the youtube video.
[Xperia Z General] douglam:
Yep. I did the clip and heat thing and it stayed down several weeks. Now it's lifted again. Mine starts from the power button to the corner. I'm certain it will lift higher and higher as times passes by. I have not submerged it in water at all.
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
So, what's your next step now?

Did you use a hair dryer or something else? For how long did you apply the heat?
[Xperia Z General] JasonX199:
Not even a minute, it came off easily

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Ok. I will try another heat + clamp method, If this doesnt work I will sell it and buy a cheap Fujifilm waterproof camera and a HTC One :))
[Xperia Z General] maxx228:
C6602 @ Taiwan

1st. normal

2nd. near camera

3rd. close-up

4rd. side view
[Xperia Z General] ama212:
Exactly the same for me also, I used the hair dryer method but after one day it is lifted again.
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
we should post this problem on the support from sony .

The Problem with the worst camera has been posted on the sony support forum too and with some updates Sony have increased the quality of the camera .

HERE IS ALREADY A TOPIC ON THE SONY MOBILE FORUM ! PLEASE POST ALL YOUR PROBLEMS HERE SO SONY PERHAPS HANDLE THIS PROBLEM AS WARRANTY AND NOT AS USER FAILURE

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/467843#467843
[Xperia Z General] vibecatalin:
Yes you should. I will take mine but not now, cause I need it and it will take like at least 2 weeks to get it back.
[Xperia Z General] Jurpl:
Same problem here with my phone you can actually feel the back plate moving when you press it ,a colleague has the beginning of the problem (around the button).

Tomorrow a service guy of my provider is gonna pick up the phone for repair....

PS

When I try to register/login on the Sony forum I get:

System Error

We're sorry but a serious error has occurred in the system. :)
[Xperia Z General] douglam:
Good idea. Yes, this is definitely a quality issue and Sony should be accountable for this.
[Xperia Z General] ligerblitz:
Check the rubber around your flaps. Ive noticed one one of mine, the rubber has become unstuck from the flap and now i see a bit of pink on the strip. Thinking of getting some kind of glue and stick back the rubber seal to the flap and hope that works...but i am so not putting my phone in water again until i get the glue on and test it slowly.
[Xperia Z General] Rajinn:
i asked the same thing and they said I'd have to send it to the repair center to find out, and if any water indicator is pink or red the repair center will just send it back and not look at it whatsoever.

i've been fighting with them for a week over mine, my backlight and battery are ruined because of a bit of water that made it in through that gap. they don't believe me at all and are acting clueless about the glass lifting, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who has reported the problem. If I could fix the backlight I'd just buy a new battery, but I'm not sure if I can even do that :(