yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
this roms its working fine in games? 0 lag?:D

PD: i install the rom but the google play its not working :s
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Follow the instruction from the OP..

Flash gapps and wipe cache... It should work fine...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
i install the gapps and nothing :S

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Other question the rom its good for games?? And i can install apps.zip says install aborted
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Eduardo C.:
Any news about this rom development for Xperia J? :o
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Yeah its good for games as its based on stock... apps.zip is not flashable... extract it and install and gapps works... if not reinstall the ROM...

Should I build it on ICS ? because there is nothing i can do in cm10.. its already NEXUS type...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Eduardo C.:
I can't unlock the bootloader... so, i meant development from the stock jelly bean rom.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
There's no recovery yet.. And I tried it on stock jellybean but tests failed... So I'm confused what to do...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
bro i reinstall the rom and nothing i go step by step but in the moment i registred my account of play store says error of server and the google play its stoped im using miro 5.5 firmeware locked bootloader
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Eduardo C.:
One day at a time, isn't it? ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] izuall187:
Is this on cwm?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
any solution for this problem?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Killawave:
I have tested both ROMs...CM based and stock based.

The CM one is working fine with the gapps but tha Apps.zip for the stock based one isn't flashable. As you said.

It's a bit boring to install everything. So, I can't test as things are missing. ;)

Good job and good procédures. As usual. Congrats.

Little points however. The picture used as background when you are checking the parameters is quite nice but the content become unreadable...well, it's quite difficult to read. Berk.

What keyboard did you use? It is really cool. The swipe effect particularly. Have you got it as a CWM package? :P
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Yeah Bro it was solved after he reflashed the ROM and gapps ICS after first boot... try cleaning /cache and if not format /system and reflash the ROM...

ITs AOSP 4.2 keyboard :p i don't have the CWM package but if youu need it i will help you to make a zip... PM me ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] monsluid:
I tried 3 times, step by step and didnt work for me, i think is your FW 5.5 is not compatible with ST23a
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
maybe... For the sake of my ROM :p I'm downloading it again and i will report it like normal user ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
i do the process of you talk me but nothing the error stay other thing bro i install the framework of djedjy but the lockscreen of nexus disappears and is converted in xperia stock lockscreen ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] sherry_94:
Thia error shows up when you try flashing different phone's rom on your phone
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
nope that is because of the wrong mounting points of system in the updater script... i've put the solution of Tipo's this error but nobody is caring to read that :o either they're spamming or they're hitting my inbox :confused: sad things are happening in the forum..

Note: It is a general statement; no personal attacks/offence on anyone..
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Sonylover12:
True bro; same situation on FXP's development thread... his thread is getting spammed everyday... :rolleyes:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
some news for the problem of google play for xperia miro?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Downloaded again, flashed again :o working...

try removing all the google related files from ROM zip and than flash gapps after boot..
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
server off :s what is the google related files???
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
between gallery2 and HTMLViewer there are 4-5 files starting from googlexxxx.apk delete them....
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Killawave:
Okay. The name of the keyboard was sufficient. :)

I found and tested it. I like it but there is no smiley button? :(

You know if there is the feature like the Xperia T keyboard??

Anyway, thanks for your help...I'm sure you will continue to help me. :p
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
Not working bro :S play store its stoped :S
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Yeah sure ;)

Now there's nothing I can do about it :( try flashing stock firmware via flashtool and flashing ROM like a first time...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
ok i do it right know and i tell you =)

Edit: nothing bro u.u i can find the solution of the problem of play store :S well i try u.u im back in stock rom u.u
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
bro you can reupload the files? the server is off :s
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Yes uploading
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Link updated..

And Maybe Adding Xperia E DUAL support.. :)

I would love to add Xperia J also but jellybean firmware doesn't have any recovery yet.. I can make it for ICS if you guys want... I'm adding a poll for it, give your votes.. thanks :D
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
ok bro downloading =)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
I dont know bro i try everything all the methods and nothing bro the rom its great but the unique problem is the play store :S maybe one step its not correct or the steps its not correct or maybe missing file? :S but great job in the rom the playstore its the unique detail :D
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] termobulbulator:
Please, make this for Xperia J Jelly Bean.

My tutorial for CWM for Jelly Bean: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=42798643#post42798643

Especially for You I wrote this tutorial!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Eduardo C.:
A giant step!!! :good::good::good:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
any solution to this problem?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Busy after something special in development ;) I need some time...

Already told you bro.. I helped as much as i could.. playstore works for everyone except you and another user with ST23a...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
mmm well the problem is the user with st23a? maybe create new release for st23a user maybe? xD sorry for inconvenience:victory:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] monsluid:
I think this Rom is incompatible with our ST23a
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
but i cant flash the firmeware st23i and i test the rom in st23i and doesnt work
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Sonylover12:
It works for me :)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
working on cm version of this ROM.. those devices which has cm10 will receive an update ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] sachin123:
I can't answer calls on my Xperia Tipo! Can the dev work on this? Here's a screenshot
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Sonylover12:
maybe you're asking about cm10 version... it is a FXP bug i think...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] sachin123:
Not really... I was using cm10 till this evening and all was well... But when I flashed this and tried a call... Couldn't answer it :p
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Sonylover12:
FXP 226 bug i think because I facing same problem in 226 cm10 also..

BTW wrong thread :p this one stock based..
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] sachin123:
Oops xD sorry about that
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
maybe this rom need update in 5.8 firmeware for xperia miro :victory:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
Can someone tell me the difference between "BLUE-SystemUI" and "SystemUI-with more options"?

These instructions are for CWM but I am going to be using TWRP.

Please tell me if these are its' equivalent (in red font):

1. wipe -> system

2. install -> select XperiaNexus-v1(stock).zip from the sd card

3. wipe -> factory reset.

AND STOCK KERNEL USERS; Flash CWM_fix or you'll loose recovery...

4. Let it boot first... It may take some times upto 5-6 mins..

5. Reboot to recovery & flash one of the provided SystemUI & Gapps..

6. wipe -> cache

7. reboot !

And after 3. it says that I should flash CWM_fix.zip. But I will be using TWRP...

Will I also lose TWRP? Is there a TWRP_fix.zip? Is it not allowed to use TWRP?

Thanks and sorry for such noob questions.

Cheers
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
Come on guys, I know you wanna help. :D

Why does it says that I should flash CWM_fix.zip?

I want to use TWRP not CWM. Does this mean that this ROM does not allow me to use TWRP?

Is there a TWRP_fix.zip? If so, where?

If it says that we need to flash CWM_fix so that we don't lose CMW, does that mean that we also lose TWRP after flashing this ROM?

Thanks and sorry for such noob questions.

Cheers
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] kreatonn:
U use stock or vengeance kernel??
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] c4cyro:
I think you should flash cwm_fix...it saves the recovery.

Then once your phone has booted up successfully, you may install twrp later.

Sent from my ST23i
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
I'm still on stock. Just rooted the phone and installed TWRP.

So that means that I can use TWRP but that the developer just prefers CWM and just made a fix for CWM, right?

Do I have to remove TWRP in order to flash CWM_fix? I guess not, right?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
[MENTION=5019603]ShivangDave[/MENTION],

Great work. Love the smoothness in this ROM.

But there are a couple of outstanding issues:

- playstore does not work :( tried everything from cleaning cache to factory default but it still doesn't work even though I reinstalled a couple of times (just in case ;)).

- phone clock doesn't automatically adjust through GSM network. I've had this issue with other ROMs too but would be great to know if anyone one else has this issue and if there's a workaround.

- background image in "settings" is a pain in the a$$. Could you please remove it or at least replace it with something that allows us to even read the menu?

- could you please provide a equivalent to CWM_fix.zip for TWRP? You know? A TWRP_fix.zip.

Everything else that I tried worked butter smooth. Excellent work on the ROM.

Cheers
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] kreatonn:
I heard OP have left xda, is it true:confused:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
He did? Why? Didn't notice anything wrong but it could had been cleaned up by mods.

I surely hope he comes back.

Has anyone else experience these issues?

Thanks in advance.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] limax182:
In my phone play store works perfect and phone clock automatically adjust

About the TWRP fix its just a flasheable zip that you can do by yourself

Setting background its my only problem :eek:

Regards!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
Wow. Are you on a Miro or on a Tipo?

Oh, and how can I make a flasheable zip? Can you please put a link here to some post that explains how to do it?

Yea, that brings me to another question: did http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=5019603 really disband XDA?

If he did it's a big PITA because he seemed very knowledgeable and was doing very nice locked ROMS.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] limax182:
Im using Tipo single SIM :p Check your PM inbox

And honestly I hope he's only taking some time cause I wanted to see another ROM like this one ;)

Regards!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
I'm using a Miro. Could it be down to the model of phone? Because I can see in this thread other people with the same issue that I had.

Done. Check your's ;)

Yea, I think this one is awesome. It just needs minor refinements. Hope he's just on summer vacations.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] addictz10:
nice rom..! :D
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] pt.jcosta:
I loss my recovery.. i need to back because i dont have google play and another apk . I need help.

Sorry my english
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
No problem.

As far as I know Sony PC-Companion can recover your phone to factory ROM.

You being from Porto I am assuming you are Portuguese (such as I am :)).

So maybe you want to take a look at this Portuguese/Android forum post (hope I'm not breaking any rule here).

http://www.androidpt.com/index.php?/topic/44703-roms-para-o-miro-com-o-bootloader-locked/#entry470001

It explains how to do it in Portuguese.

Cheers
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
I have st23i locked bootloader. Could i install Blue Statusbar? And Apps package are the GApps?

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] c4cyro:
I jus in flashed this rom for fun today! Turned out that the home button didnt work, the phone would vibrate but won't get to the home screen.

Also there's no lockscreen...even if "slide" was set from settings.

Sent from my ST23i
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] limax182:
This also happened to me (the HOME button issue)

I did the installation process again, and no more issues ;)

Regards!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
I flashed this ROM for a few times and I always have the same problem. It doesnt open the Play Store and it doesnt sync the contacts. Any solution? Im on Gimlo again right now

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
No. At least not until the dev comes back.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
So, everybody's the problem? What a shame :(

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Sort of Back ! Need some time to cover things up !

And yeah i don't have this device anymore though i will continue and it will take more time than before !

But there's always a hope ;) Thanks for being patient !
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
So, you wont correct the google play and sync bugs?

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
When I was using it, it was working ! So gimme some time to borrow a device so that i can test it again ! and if it works i may post a video tutorial too !
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
Thank you so much. I think I PM you but it was like a month ago so..:D

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] c4cyro:
lol good to know that you're back! i read in some thread that you had left a month ago! :D
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
In my opinion it is a shame having those bugs, cause this ROM is awesome. I think it is the best I've ever tried

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
Any news Shivang?

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Yes ! Got one device to test... so tested and everything works ! Posted a new video tutorial in the OP..

and here also:

[YOUTUBE]IR6qWXR-Dtk[/YOUTUBE]
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
Thanks! :o so you have to flash ICS Gapps and fix permissions, right? You have unlocked bootloader, but I have not. When do I have to flash CWM_Fix? Another thing that didnt work when I installed it was Camera JB+ . Installing another camera would be enough?

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Yes flash cwm_fix with ROM... Camera should work, if not you can install any camera app...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
And also flash ICS Gapps and fix permissions right?

Edit: i've flashed the ROM and everything works except of the camera. I installed one and everything perfect. Good ROM!

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Glad to know that !
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] edzacruz95:
Great work but i need the ics gapps? i cant see in the thread
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
I searched ICS Gapps in google and downloaded them. It works propertly

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] miguelSony:
Which is the rute to find ROM Wallpapers?

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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] tejasjani55:
hit thanks if I helped you
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
ShivangDave

Thanks for your post with the youtube video. Without that I would never understand that there actually is a flashable package named Gapps.

As edzacruz95 said, you should consider adding it's download link to the first post because I found many places with Gapps packages.

For instance, http://www.teamandroid.com/gapps/ and http://goo.im/gapps/ are just a couple of the tens of sites that I found.

Should this be the one that we're looking for http://goo.im/gapps//gapps-ics-20120429-signed.zip ?

I have flashed this http://goo.im/gapps//gapps-ics-20120429-signed.zip and it worked, google play now works. But some apps won't update. For instance, Nova Launcher and Google Text-to-Speech present an error message stating:

Package file was not signed correctly. Uninstall the previous copy of the app and try again.

Now, I can't uninstall them because they are part of the ROM. Does this happen because of the Gapps that I flashed is not the correct Gapps package?

Please, help this n00b. ;)

Cheers
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] ShivangDave:
Install root explorer and delete apk from system/app but before that install a backup launcher... Or else you will be left with no launcher..
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Apoapo:
Hi it seems a nice ROM but i can make it work on my GF's TIPO got this error on the moment of installing from SD card

Flashing in progress...

format() expects 3 args, got 5

E:Error in /external_sd/XperiaNexus Tipo.zip

(Status 7)

Any advices on this??
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] zhukry:
it's save for locked BL?

sorry for noob question...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] kreatonn:
Yes it is.. just use stock based not cm..
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] john3voltas:
I love this ROM, it is really fast.

Hello.

Just hope someone can help me with some issues:

- Nexus background images. They are very colorful and distracting. How can I get rid of these background images and use a simple all-black background?

- Messaging app. This app is very nice and I like it a lot but apparently swype only works for English language. How can I make swype work for Portuguese?

- Phone app. Comes with a time-trial phone app. Where can I get a simple phone app that's free and looks like this one?

Thanks ShivangDave for sharing this excellent custom ROM with us :)

Cheers
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Ryone:
Please update the screenshots.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] jole1999:
Awsum ROM :D its really fast, the only thing that I don't like is settings background... I would like to change it to black/grey gradinent like on AOSP or just plain black, anyone knows how???

Edit: My camera storing location isn't working, when I swipe left I cant see nothing, but when I go to file menager, photos are there and when I try to shoot a video, it starts to record and then it just freezes...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] slem182:
delete
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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] xsycox:
Hi guys,

I just flashed this XperiaNexus XT/Ultimate on my Tipo Single-SIM

and flashing went fine, but now I have a problem. The system-ui is

crashing every 15 seconds. I do not know why. I used "fix permissions"

in CWM, but that did not help either. :(

Thanks in advance.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] xsycox:
Alright, the system-ui is crashing AND there is no status

bar above.

If if flash the blue-system-ui, the system-ui is not crashing

anymore, but then the notifications are crashing every

10 to 20 seconds. :( ... and still no status bar above.

So, I flashed the system-ui-with-more-options. That did

not help either and lead to first situation with system-ui

crashing all the time (and also no status bar above).

Did I turn the status bar off somehow?! I do not think,

that is possible.

... and how do I repair the system-ui or/and notification

crashes?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] romy25:
ROM download link redirects to http://shivangdave.com/

please fix the link. Thanks in advance.
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] benmatlock:
Anyone notice popping in audio on soundcloud and youtube? Running latest viperrom..

Sent from my HTC One running ViperROM v1.1.0
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] raptoro07:
Try turning the volume down from max a few ticks.
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] benmatlock:
Try opening YouTube video and then turning it all the way down and still hearing the click

Sent from my HTC One running ViperROM v1.1.0
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] benmatlock:
Like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7GGR7Tv-9s

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[Sprint HTC One (M7)] interhawk1:
This happens to me all the time with you tube. I only get it if I use wifi with hd on. If I turn off hd then it goes away. Also, if I turn beats audio off with hd on over wifi then it happens much less but still happens. It's very annoying, haven't figured out if it is a hardware issue yet.
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] benmatlock:
Yeah I disable beats and the popping went away, stupid codecs.

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[Sprint HTC One (M7)] gmfeny:
I clicked that link and didn't notice any popping... I didn't listen to it all the just about the 1st min
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] benmatlock:
Actually after uh couple weeks couple more weeks about using this thing I've noticed it does happen with or without Beats Audio on and it does happen with or without the additional equalizer that I've added to it so it is not just a codec issue with Beats Audio or with the equalizer however I do notice that happens randomly it doesn't always happen on the same song in SoundCloud or in YouTube um but it just happens and I'm not sure what causes it yet

And I'm actually pretty surprised that nobody else has this issue yet

Sent from my HTC One running ViperROM v1.1.0
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] Rirere:
If you look back a few pages, you'll notice I posted a thread about a similar issue with Google Play Music (although it has since come to my attention that it's an issue with most audio apps). Toggling Beats helps, but not for too long (and not for long enough to rule out the placebo effect). It's quite annoying, and I hope it'll be fixed in an OTA sometime. I may try PureAudioX if it keeps up though-- it makes my phone unusable at times as a music player.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mercutio5:
Is there a list of apps which are safe to freeze / delete, and what they do?

Thank you!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evocm7:
There's a list in first post.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2296109