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[Ouya General] KyleK29:
Well, we all need to remember the device hasn't launched yet. Pre-orders haven't been filled completely. So development will pick up once this hits market.

To be honest, I wish they'd do a no-controller edition for $80 or so. Like my previous comment, this makes a decent HTPC. $75 will slam the Chinese-branded ones (geekbuying, etc.). Especially if XBMC comes on it. The closest native (ie: full hardware support out of the box) XBMC Android TV box is $120.
[Ouya General] degeneration:
I don't think you understood me, I meant that someone else said there is no development, but really there is. Tons of games on the Ouya store that have been made or tweaked for the Ouya. Tons of people around the net are coming up with workarounds and fixes for things.

Furthermore, if they made a 80 dollar no controller one, I would recommend against it. The controller is great, the touch area works way better than I assumed. Now, there would be people who would benefit from it, people prepared with a bluetooth mouse and keyboard or their own bluetooth controllers, so those people would be fine, but the average person would do better with an all inclusive box. A 20 dollar bluetooth controller is a good deal on its own, but add in the touch capability and it's better to get it and re-sell it than to not get it at all.

From a marketing standpoint though, it seems iffy. They would have to predict how many 80 dollar consoles to box and ship because the controllers are selling at 45-ish bucks retail. I think they are fine as is, but people who are worried about it should just sell the controller for like 30 on ebay, making it a 69 dollar box.

Meh, whatevs. They will figure out something. I don't expect the Ouya to get huge, but it's fun.
[Ouya General] YoSoyNik:
I would be willing to trade you i have a limited edition i backed for $140, I would take $50 and your standard edition.
[Ouya General] delpiero223:
This forum isn't dead. Don't know many other Forums where there have been so many threads, before the Device was up to sale
[Ouya General] cybercookie72:
six pages on a dead forum...and that is before release

doesn't seem dead to me....and even with the troll like thread there is some pretty awesome points being tossed around vs the normal fanboy flame game
[Ouya General] mmilestone:
Got one today.

Now my 12 year old (who grew up on the Wii, PS3 and XBox, and rocks an SGS4) won't stop playing with it.

Forum dead? I don't think so.

I'll give it a month after public release before even considering saying that.

Otherwise, jumping the gun as in the OP, would seem narrow-minded.
[Ouya General] gotoman00:
don't agree at all... got mine yesterday, have plex, xbmc, and emus for everything up to n64/psx on it running smoothly... only things i even had to sideload were es file explorer (to add roms) and xbmc. 5-10 mins of googling and i figured everything out easily.

i didn't even want it as a gaming console, i wanted a travel device to run xbmc and plex, all other android devices in same power range were the same price but the ouya comes with a controller and an hdmi cable. i think it's a hell of a deal if you ask me.
[Ouya General] player911:
The Forums may not be crazy populated because the device just came out officially yesterday.

Anyway, I have to disagree completely with the OP. Sure you can hook up an HDMI mobile phone or tablet up to a TV and "CAN" get the same type of experience but with a lot of work, but it is going to cost a lot more. Honestly, having a dedicated Android TV device is very awesome. Having to buy the same game twice kinda sucks though.

The only bad thing that I can think of is that it isn't tied with the play store. With Google Play Gaming and the ability for data cloud sync, it would be so sweet to be able to sit down and play a game, then take off and pick right up where you left off on your phone.

The upside is that the separation requires devs to manually port and make sure it works appropriately with the Ouya.

RIGHT now, there is not much difference between using an OUYA vs any other android device aside from the convenience and UI. The big difference will probably be down the road. We are already seeing OUYA specific games, that will eventually make their way to other markets, but being exclusive to the Ouya for a limited time.

Also the OUYA not being battery driven means it can run wide open for extra power.
[Ouya General] gianptune:
Dont forget to mention it has an ethernet port and 2 usb ports. One usb is open for harddrive/keyboard/mouse/hub and the micro one is still available for adb and such. With the ethernet port, some of the issues with streaming huge 1080p video are gone.

As far as the forum being dead, you have to give people time to get one before they can participate in useful discussions about it. It went on sale like 2 days ago. And by "on sale", I mean that my local Best buy had 4 in stock when they opened on launch day. No other Best buy within 70 miles of me showed up as having any in stock the morning of opening.
[Ouya General] eksasol:
****, I wish you were my dad.
[Ouya General] mmilestone:
I don't blame you. I wish the same thing myself. :)
[Ouya General] Ouya-XD:
First thing successfully done!

#1! Making the lovely peaceful community of a XDA angry, something that never happens.
[Ouya General] WookieFan:
You must be aware of Plex and XBMC? Netflix also works, and even though I haven't tried WatchESPN on the OUYA, I am certain I could get it running. That pretty much covers my media needs, no cognitive dissonance involved. I can't even think about why I would feel the need to validate a less than $100 device. But haters will be haters.

Edit: I actually LOL'd when I watched the first linked video. If that was the way you prove your point, then you have bigger problems than your issues with OUYA.
[Ouya General] Skurvy_Pirate:
WatchESPN does work, it was the first app I sideloaded on my Ouya when I got it to watch the College World Series :)
[Ouya General] paniro187:
The fact that it has a controller and can hook up to a TV makes this thing totally worth it for me. I travel for a living and the last thing I want to do is play games like vagrant story on acdamn phone or tablet. When I get to a hotel I jack the ouya in an fire up old ps1 Roms or Mario kart. If you can see how much better that is then you just don't want to.
[Ouya General] dully79:
I usually dont feed the trolls, but the OP made me laugh with the amount of bull**** that was spouted.

Like anything, the usage you get from something is defined as a waste of money or not. How can you have this opinion without owning or using the ouya?

What did you tell us? Your posting 4 full weeks before the device hit general retail. Next to nobody had the ouya when you posted this thread so obviously there will be a lack of folk around here. Check ANY thread on XDA where forums have been created for an unreleased device and you will see the same sort of activity. Or do you post the same nonsense on those forums too?

Can you say the words "jump" and "gun".

In what way is the ouya pointless. Again that is defined by the usage. For me i'll be running XBMC with some emulators for light gaming. Yes i can do this on my desktop but the ouya is quicker to boot and far less power hungry, so the the money i save on electricty will pay for the ouya alone.

I think you should admit your flawed logic. This strikes me as some one trying to stroke their ego with an "I told you so" post.

What were you looking to achieve when you posted this? A packet of biscuits? A medal? Everyone to start chanting your name? Or an underground movement to get you a knighthood?

I've seen and read a lot of spam on XDA but this is probably mother of them all.

Im off to post on the Xbox one forums that it's going to be a failure so i can say "I was first to say it, aren't i awesome. Where's my hobnobs?"
[Ouya General] Predator04:
Totally agree with you. This device is awesome on so many levels. I would buy it again in a heart beat. and it can only get better from here. Worth every penny of the $99
[Ouya General] zmix:
No way I am going to search for my tablet and hook it up to the TV each time. Why don't you do it and instead use a Costar?

The tablet is a tablet, the STB is an STB. They both have their place in my world.

Bye, Andreas

---------- Post added at 02:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:28 PM ----------

a) no Vizio in Europe

b) the CoStar did not even exist back then, anyway

c) who wants GoogleTV if he can have XBMC?

d) back then the only alternatives were Chinese STBs, with half hearted software development and unkept promises to the opensource community. That meant, that it was impossible top get decent driver support for XBMC (or similar)

e) I felt, an US company, that wants to become a big player would be that serious enough to have Nvidia support them, while OUYA would offer support to everyone trying to add value to their hardware.

f) in addition I get a modern game controller for my vast amount of emulation Roms and, last but not least, maybe we will see the one or other nice Android game, that is payable with a gamepad. But this was just tertiary and not my main focus.

Besides, you don't want to tell me, that you still use infrared remote controls, these days? I use my tablet or smartphone for that.

Maybe you should head over to the OUYA forums, rather than trying to battle the OUYA on XDA, which is clearly not the right place for the OUYA. Then you could see, what all is possible

Both my Logitech F710 and my Xbox controller work out of the box, no routing required. I can sideload apps, no rooting required.

Netflix is already side loadable and an official version is in the making.

Because your CoStar is bigger than anybody else's OUYA.

Bye, Andreas
[Ouya General] rainabba:
Thanks for solidifying my point while contradicting yourself. "and exclusive, or exclusive versions of, games that support it. it's a console" No, it's not a "console", it's an Android device and "exclusive" anything on it is content that's extremely limited and shouldn't be since it DOES run on ANDROID which is designed for maximum compatibility.

You refer to "a hacked together setup with a phone or tablet" as if the Ouya isn't something worse. Adding controllers to Android devices is now as simple as installing an app and pairing a controller (unless you MUST have an actual PS3 or XBox controller). Sure, the Ouya already has the software, but you also have to go through ALL the same steps with the Ouya (more likely since it's not a properly supported Android setup) to do the same but the Ouya is still a dedicated device with limited uses while my other Android devices can do ALL the same things (minus the proprietary Ouya stuff) AND go with me if I want it.

You've made no point that I haven't already. Trying to spin my points as positives doesn't make them anything but what they are. The only thing the Ouya brings to the table is the very reason it won't survive; proprietary features/games.

Of course, only time will tell, but I'm not exactly new to the tech or gaming scene and the Ouya is an old pattern that always goes the same route. Ask Apple, propriety is the past, not the future. Even if the Ouya survives (highly doubtful), it will exist entirely in a niche and not be taken seriously by anyone except those who've convinced themselves that it's good for anything but spurring on innovation or competition.

Keep the thread alive guys, it only proves I'm right one way or another (or that you're too immature or insecure to leave it alone despite your belief that I'm wrong).
[Ouya General] m3xician:
Nice

Rip it apart The Community is small but they do good work

Also need ten posts to actually post on a dev forum XD
[Ouya General] rushless:
The premise though is valid. This device needs a huge install base to generate not just revenue, but profit. That probably is not going to happen. The device seems destined as a niche device for side loading, steaming and emulators.

You can get a new Asus tablet for $50 more that has 9gb more storage, otg support, micro sd, blue tooth controller support and hdmi out. No more proprietary market and a LOT more games work and lower total cost of ownership. Controller mapping is common in more games every week, so you can make a tablet an Ouya.

Plus you can use it as a tablet and have touch support, unlike the OUYA. Commercially speaking, the Ouya is almost certainly dead and ditto for Gamestick when it releases. If it does.
[Ouya General] Ultimate Chicken:
Oh well, the devs need the bad publicity. Some of us didn't even get the compensation amount. :3
[Ouya General] rainabba:
No way!

What!? I'm NOT the only person on XDA that sees the bigger picture? I find that incredibly difficult to believe :D Well, maybe I was only the first willing to share their thoughts along those lines. Welcome to the club. Mind you, it's not a haters club, just a club for realists (and maybe people who have a problem with dirty marketing).
[Ouya General] tjsooley:
My ouya does what i Want it for Netflix and Emulators. That is why I got one with the 3 extra controllers just incase it failed. I hope we find a way to get true AOSP on it but its no big deal. I did not even root mine I saw no reason.
[Ouya General] rushless:
Which is cool, but does not drive the app revenue the company needs. Hence the need of at least several hundred thousand install base to drive app market revenue. Seems very unlikely this will happen. There needs to be a large majority that regularly buy apps. Most though are probably streaming and playing game emulators, or side loading.
[Ouya General] joelzombie:
Agree

Sandly, I totaly agree with rainabba... The Ouya is far of being the promised "android console".

- True, its has Android as the OS, but you can't use your already purchased Android Apps if you don't hack the damn thing to access to Google Play

- They promised a easy-to-root console, true, it's easy to root... but it's useless, what we realy need is a way to install custom roms (like CyanogenMod) without the risk of bricking it (we have no recovery menu, no bootloader source code, no nothing).

- The controller is crap, I've been using a PS3 controler since day 2

- Why they don't give an option to skip credit card registration? fuuuuu... hopefuly I have an expired credit card for this cases.

I used to have a MK802 III dongle for my TV, I gave it to a friend since I now have an Ouya... I totaly regret it now, instead I shoud gave him the Ouya!

Its thanks to khanning88 port of CyanogenMod that I still have and use my Ouya... and mainly for XBMC and RetroArch. I only miss playing Super Crate Box in my Ouya

I hope the M.O.J.O. from Mad Catz be the real Ouya I'm waiting for

Edit: I found the SuperCrateBox apk!! i'll sideload it when I come home :)
[Ouya General] Ultimate Chicken:
If the Ouya is a waste of money, I have to wonder about the logic of android tv dongles and tablets if one already has an android device that's good enough.

Also, this is a site that loves modding, and a lot of it usually goes against carrier and manufacturer desires; f'rex AdBlocking and removing bloatware. If you still want to talk about manufacturer revenue, I hope you aren't using custom kernels and ROMs.

Lastly if you're looking for other Ouya users, seems there's more in the unofficial Ouya forums. XDA isn't always the go to place for device info and stuff.

Lets keep it real, people...

There's plenty of other reasons to crap on the manufacturer without resorting to logical fallacies :3

PS: I'm jealous at all you guys having luck with random tv dongles and tablets from random manufacturers. Sure they leave their bootloader open, but the community's a lot smaller. Let alone the chance of custom ROMs, and the chance of continued unofficial support after the manufacturer decides to abandon the device.

PPS: I can't think of a greater waste of money than simply binning a device because it doesn't satisfy you. Really people? With this sort of logic I'm surprised I don't see iPhone1s, 2s and any Tegra2 device in the skips on release week. For crying out loud, Tegra2 has *no hardware acceleration for video whatsoever*, and I bet you half of us only found out after spending upwards of $500. :3
[Ouya General] rushless:
The huge mega elephant size difference with the other devices is they do not need a proprietary app market or side load tricks to get apps to work.

THAT is why they could be argued as better options and also why Gamestick will probably fall on its face if relying on a proprietary market.
[Ouya General] Ultimate Chicken:
Well at the very least it was less troublesome ADBing into this than it was with a Sony Tablet S (Non Xperia). All it took was one line and a reboot, not "carefully reinstall" shenanigans.

If you think the mega difference lies in market - well a market is nice, but sideloading tricks are bigger than that. I will be sufficiently pissed if the sideloading tricks disappear, tho!
[Ouya General] indyssee:
I searched and couldn't find a definitive answer but does that co-star that the op is all about run XBMC? After discovering the magic of XBMC, I think I could get behind a set top box that ran that with a remote. Anybody know about the co-star?
[Ouya General] rushless:
Here is a simple point to make. What is more appealing- a $100 device with a proprietary market, or the same $150 device that uses Play market? A controller app is simple and not hard to group controller centric apps.

The anchor to this device's foward success is the proprietary market. Ditto for Gamestick, but at least they will have retail position.
[Ouya General] ArdDarvis:
i like it BECAUSE its hard. this was my first android device, and i was VERY happy to be a backer. since then, i got a SGP 5.0, and it was ONLY because of my experiences with the ouya that made rooting and modding it so easy; adb, CWM, CM, etc.

the ouya got a newb like me ready to do the real thing. i like it very much, and i don't think i'll ever get rid of it, let alone disconnect it from my tv.

its not for everyone, but its certainly for me.
[Ouya General] slack04:
Stop feeding the trolls. Nothing in this thread is even remotely useful, yet it remains at the top of this forum.

Please, no more responses on this thread.
[Ouya General] LostKlink:
It only stays at the top because there is nothing decent to do with it.
[Ouya General] FrostyWolf:
The Co-Star has inferior specs, is a Vizio device, and does not run XBMC. It MAY run xbmc after the Google TV 4.2.2 Jellybean update goes live for it that adds NDK support, but at BEST this will just let you install the generic android version of XBMC on it, Google TV devices will most likely not be getting a XBMC build specifically for them, but you never know.
[Ouya General] Einradbrot:
Ouya is great

Ouya is not in competive with the big console players like sony and microsoft or nintendi. Ouya is also not in competive with phones ex, from samsung or htc. Ouya defines a new genre and is with tegra3 a great piece of hardware and is growing coninuously because Thousands of hobby programmers develop great extensions for them.
[Ouya General] Largewoodenspoon:
Hi guys. This device in my opinion is not a waste of money. I have ALL the games consoles plus I have peg owned many android and ios devices. To be honest it's rather good to be able to play the android games on my tv and the xbmc runs better on the ouya than it does on my apple tv. I am also very impressed with the ability to mod the device with ease. Perhaps a few custom recoveries and roms would be good, but hey its a hd android unit on the tv! Is that not cool enough!?
[Ouya General] Mattthev:
OMG! You've never had good mobile phone with Android? OUYA SW is totaly crap. Nothing work well. Even USB playing movies is worse than on chinese mini PC for under 50bucks. Yes it's good for their Indie games, but who want pay for 1990s games what is free with emulators and it's classics. Nobody make really good game for OUYA because OUYA can't handle it. You will see what OUYA should be. Kholk from EPRJ are making better kernel and he is doing for free and for us. He is getting bigger steps in few days than whole OUYA team for almost year...
[Ouya General] TwitchyEye:
http://www.eternityproject.eu/topic/1113664-official-development-structure-and-steps/?fromsearch=1

This forum is dead because the action's over there
[Ouya General] tevil:
Its all up to your expectations.

I made a small youtube review and for 99$ you get a phone with no screen (really the most expensive component) and a controller (25$ on its own to be reasonable, maybe 35$).

Its fun to tinker and goof with, for 99$ I can now play a few coop style games with my buddy in NY because I have ps3 where he has 360. Im also an android where hes IOS.

As I explained in the vid, if you know what you are walking into then you will have fun and not be let down (aside my controller exchange issues). If you really compare this as something to compete with MS and SONY and are disappointed then the ouya should be put in a sock and someone should beat you with it for being a retard.
[Ouya General] rushless:
True, but if you are an android user already and have money vested in apps, you end up having to buy some games over again, or tweak to get them to work right. Factor in the Tegra 3 is getting on now makes it dubious for some.

Proprietary market android console devices seems futile for commercial success and a waste of investment money.
[Ouya General] Ericular:
I ask the OP this in all seriousness, since I didn't do a ton of research before purchasing... but:

Is there another device for $100 I can hook to my TV that can run XBMC and Netflix?
[Ouya General] rainabba:
Since I "didn't do a ton of research" I only need to provide one answer right? http://store.vizio.com/co-star

By the way, if you'd even read my 1st post, you'd see that I mention it there :)
[Ouya General] Ericular:
I did see you mentioned that one, but I had gathered from my limited research was that it can't run XBMC.
[Ouya General] rainabba:
I'll try to test later and report back but I can't imagine any reason you can't push the APK and install it. I've done it for other apps without any problems.
[Ouya General] joshw0000:
XBMC is a resource hog. Hope your dual core box can handle it without glitching. Why not just buy a G-Box if you want inferior technology?

Note - OUYA runs the latest XBMC not released to other devices. It runs better than my ATV2. That's the ONLY reason I need to use my OUYA. Games are a plus. My kids enjoy them. Install dropbox and I can send any Android apk from my phone in seconds. This is hands down the best TV box on the market. Apps can be side loaded, software moded, there's no fix for out-dated hardware.
[Ouya General] zmix:
I'm not the OP, but yes, you can! Wasn't possible back in the Kickstarter days, though. Check this out:

http://www.xtreamer.net/SideWinder4/

Bye, Andreas
[Ouya General] rainabba:
For that matter, I would just use XBMC on my $35 ChromeCast. It's a properly supported client (not hacking or APK pushing). If a ChromeCast can handle XBMC, there NO reason the Vizio couldn't from a resource perspective. Haven't had time to test though yet.

Correction: I was thinking of Plex on ChromeCast, not XBMC.
[Ouya General] joshw0000:
Yup, XBMC will only stream from a PC and you have to use the PC's volume. Chromecast is not a viable solution.

I've also tried the Allshare Cast. Even from a Note 3 with excellent signal it has choppy playback. I've mirrored XBMC from a JB iPad to the Apple TV and it wasn't nearly as clean as playing it from a JB ATV2.

Again, I don't know everyone else's purchasing decision on the OUYA but mine was for XBMC. And I can put my movies on a jump drive and play them through the OUYA as well. I used an expired CC # to set it up because I have no intentions of purchasing games. I've demo'ed a couple and they were OK but didn't make me want to buy them.

If anyone knows of a cheaper quad core device with high res output that can stream XBMC, please let me know. For now OUYA is a clear winner.