[Ouya General] rainabba:
Now we're talking!

On your first point, I would disagree based on it being a generalization. I agree that there are many here who don't flame and a few like yourself and I who can have civilized discussions even when disagreeing, but there are more than enough that will flame for just about anything that I wouldn't dare sound as optimistic as you in that regard.

That is where I stop disagreeing with you though. You make many good points, especially when taken together. I would say though, that if you're going to be totally honest, you have to agree that the Ouya is being marketed as a gaming console and from that perspective, I think my point stands pretty well. For those who buy the Ouya as a more versatile device, I will agree that it's a good deal and my perspective has been shifted on that point.

Still, it is being marketed as a gaming console, and based on everything I've said so far, I still think it will fail. If they change the marketing strategy to play to all it's other strong points as well (if not more), then I'd now say that it has a good chance at succeeding or at least being the best "Google TV[ish]" device out there. If I could use the Co-Star remote with it (which is BT), then I might consider it. If it had HDMI pass-through like the Co-Star, I'd likely buy one just to play with it but then again, that's the hacker mentality which doesn't represent most people and for those it does represent, I come back to the same question; why when I can do it all with my N10 or GS4 (obviously not the HDMI pass-thru because neither the Ouya or the others have it).

I also agree about the casual gamers, but then the Ooya represents an unknown so potential customers will more often lean toward the Wii which is a known, or stick with their PC. If they're casual and not "hard-core", they aren't going to buy a new, unproven device, for their TV when they can play for free all day long everywhere else. That's just a hard area to break into right now (like smartphones). Even if the Ouya was fantastic, it still faces that challenge and this is where you must separate the merits of the Ouya, from the reality of the marketplace and also compare it to other options in the context of the potential customer.

As for your last point, I say bravo for that insight. Of course, the fact that I would "jump on the chance to validate your initial opinion" as I see it proving to be true from my perspective doesn't mean that it makes my opinion any less valid; rather only that my motivation might be more complex. :)

In summary, you make some excellent points and have swayed aspects of my opinion a bit, but as I see it, the Ouya is being marketed as a gaming console and as such, I see every reason to expect it will fail to thrive as such. Being an Android device, it has other merits which could help it become successful IF it's marketed correctly. In any case, I don't think anyone can say that this forum isn't dead as far as forums on XDA go, especially for devices in a relatively new and unique category. I'd be happy to be proven wrong as a fan of Android and innovation.

This is the type of conversation I hoped (but didn't expect) to see come of my post :)