yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
Well.... Here you go. I have no reason to lie, nor do the numbers. I'm simply pointing out the facts to people so they can make their OWN decisions rather than that of people in this thread mostly who don't even have the battery.

And re: my setup... No battery saving mods. Sync always on. I actually have it on auto brightness with a +5. I'm in the sun all day & for those who don't know, auto is about 20% brighter than you can achieve with the max manual setting. And I'm +5 to that. I also have two framework mods that add to battery usage, but yes, a great rom. And if you calculate the #'s just today (and I've gotten better, but you just asked) I'm on course for over 5-1/2+ hours of screen time. And if I happen to run out of juice I simply pop in one of my $11 extra batteries that'll give me an additional 5-1/2+ hours without any additional bulk or not being able to take a clear picture if I'd like. Not to mention putting a call (or music) on the speaker without it sounding like it's coming from a tunnel.

No winning an "argument", not my intention, not is it even debatable. There is nothing but CONS to this battery as compared to my suggestion. - which is even cheaper. Feel free to post screenshots. But unless this battery can deliver 20+ hours of similar screen time, there no way it justifies all that you're giving up as a result.

EDIT: And as you can see from the last pic... Wifi (even though outside and on 3G/4G), GPS, NFC (always on) and Bluetooth are all ON. In addition, I have 5 screens in my launcher all loaded with widgets that all drain battery. 400+ apps on the phone too. I could EASILY add at least an hour + of screen time by using something like Greenify and removing some widgets, by why do I need to.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Pickleweasel:
Yeah, I'm gonna call bull**** on the claim of 5 and a 1/2 hours of screen time on the stock battery with max brightness because I keep mine at about 65% brightness and when Web browsing you can watch the percentage drop quite fast and I was getting around 4 and change with my brightness level so either you have a super battery or you're bull****ting. I am now using an anker 5200mah and have been on battery for 26 and a half hours with 3hrs and 40 mins screen on time and I'm at 44% battery granted I made a nandroid backup during this discharge cycle but yeah, those are insane claims for the stock battery.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
I literally did a facepalm after reading this post. You can't prove 6 hours of screen on time by posting a screenshot when still at 86%. We're talking full cycle here, not a "this is what my battery will look like" argument. Too many times have I been impressed with the first 20% only to have it drain faster when below 50%. Your point is null.

Overall, we get it. You won't buy the battery. But trust me on this, I consider myself a smart consumer. I weigh the pros and cons of every purchase I make whether it be a new car or an extended battery. I did the same thing with this purchase. If I'm unimpressed with the quality of this product, I'll have no problem saying so in this thread (though without calling everyone who likes it a "fanboy"). May I ask, have you ever owned a ZeroLemon extended battery? Are you speaking from experience before you say that the purchase of this battery isn't "justified", or are you making assumptions? Have you considered that if you really are getting 6 hours of on screen time, that you may then achieve 18 hours (considering you should bank on triple the amount of stock) on this battery?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
Well... I dont walk around with screenshots of my battery to post one when its towards the end of the cycle, but ill gladly send one later if youd like. And my numbers are better then the one I posted as I am outside today with 25% higher then max brightness in the Florida sun.

No... I have never owned a zero lemon. I'd have gotten the 3000mA version in a heartbeat though if it had NFC which i use regularly. Dont need to use this one though as it makes the phone twice as thick & heavy, when as i posted i have two extra anker 2600 batteries that i can just swap out if i need to. Giving me more then this battery can without the cons. I'd also have gotten the 2650mA zerolemmon with NFC, but it's now 2 months since this phone is out and no eta. When other mfg's have had them since launch. And honestly..... If i could have waited 2+ months for more juice, then that just says you dont really need it anyway.

And for all saying there standard battery is only 4 hours or less.... well, that just bull. There's nothing special about my phone, and I get my numbers on 3 different batteries. This phone is RATED @ 7hours and 24 minutes of web browsing and 12-1/2 hours of video playback.While yes, thats not everyday usage stats, it does deliver that. And if you dont believe me, again heres your proof!!! independent test
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
Yeah....that's when people generally post screen shots...usually when they have about 5% left. That's the true accurate guage for battery life.

Either way, if you've never owned a Zero Lemon, then you're really not qualified to justify other people's purchase. You're welcome to your opinion of course, though you definitely lose some credibility when you have to slam down other people when posting your opinion. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
Well..... thats just silly. This thread has 22 pages and like 18 of them were posted before the battery ever even shipped with people praising its performance. LOL. Since then there's been the issues of the speaker, camera and discoloration of the back cover. And yet two people posted battery claims with 71% and 46% battery left -- nowhere near the 5% you're looking for (and WITHOUT any screenshots to back it up). Perhaps their last 40% or so will drain even quicker like you suggest. And perhaps and more true, my performance will improve in the next 40% or so as I'll be indoors and connected to wifi.

You want to discredit me and thats fine and expected. But you havent owned this battery either. Im not slamming anyone who wants this battery, but more so the other way around. People claiming im not telling the truth or have a super battery, etc....So i showed and linked to a standard battery test. Would love the same of this battery. I personally dont have anything against zero, but im the one speaking the truth here and unbiased. Giving people on this forum the real facts to help them as I have received much help from them over the years on here. Feel free to check my posts and thanks ratings too. I said my peace & again, not here to bash but advise. Ive done so now. And done so with not just proof on my phone but true tests. If people would prefer to carry around a thick discoloring shoe that cant take a good picture -- well thats their choice.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
Again, I have to challenge you here. Could you please point out any posts from people before receiving the battery that actually praised the perfromance of the battery? I'm talking about posts where someone says that the battery is running really well on their phone, even though they haven't received it yet. If you can't find any, then I think you're confusing excitement for a product and praising performance, though I do recall posts from people that had this brand on their S3 or Note 2 that were extremely happy. In that case, it would be relevant for them to post their experiences with that brand.

Again, I'm not responding to you in efforts to discredit you. You've already taken care of that end of this conversation. It's that your original post was so aggressive in nature that I couldn't help but reply and question your agenda. You're right. I haven't owned this battery yet, and I look forward to writing a fair review which could be positive or negative. But it's not fair to slam a product you haven't owned, especially going as far as saying that everyone here are "fanboys".
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] wavrunrx:
wow, i sure missed alot while i was gone;

why are you so mad bro ?

don't worry guys dannyben is just dead-set against this battery and nothing you say or do, will convince him otherwise.

its cool bro, we get it; your happy with the stock battery. good for you. maybe you can start another thread; call it "I Love My Stock Battery, No Lie !".

the stats i posted last night:

there are a number of specifics i didn't mention that will greatly effect the battery, that are not obvious in my claim:

1- i have a Live Wallpaper

2- i was streaming from google music for at least 2 hours in the car yesterday over bluetooth

3- this is the battery's first charge/discharge

4- im not underclocking, or undervolting

5- gps is always enabled

6- nfc is enabled when on lockscreen (its a cyanogenmod setting)

7- i was in TWRP making a backup for ~20 minutes

8- i have 8 out of 10 items in my google account set to sync

your quote:

"And quit frankly, and since he didn't post a screenshot (like he's done all over this thread), he's exaggerating. But even so, he's only on course for 13+ hours. Well BELOW par for the stock or 5200 batteries."

Its mind boggling how you think im going to let you get away with this bit

lets see what you said after this...:

"Well... I dont walk around with screenshots of my battery to post one when its towards the end of the cycle, but ill gladly send one later if youd like."

ohhhhhhhhh ok dannyben; well i guess you and i are alike, i also dont walk around with screenshots at the ready.

i also am not expecting there to be hardcore trolls in this thread, so my need to post screenshots isn't absolutely critical. why the **** would i lie about my battery stats ? you think IM EXAGGERATING ? ---> "he's only on course for 13+ hours. Well BELOW par for the stock or 5200 batteries." ----> well BELOW par ??? get oudda' here.

here's my "exaggeration" for those whom want to see them:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66962/Misc/2013-06-17%2010.53.12.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66962/Misc/2013-06-17 10.53.19.png
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
LOL. Of course no one claimed their s4 zero battery had good performance if they didnt have it. but the post are all here. you can look through them just as I. And yes people saying the s3 is great so the s4 will be better with extra capacity -- even though bigger screen and different phone. So yes.... that's the definition of a fan boy. and yes as well as people possibly claiming that muffled redirected sound can be better then direct sound. Sorry, but that;s my career and NON debatable. Experience with a brand is great. but now you're no longer dealing with a brand but a distributor and a different product. Oldsmobile made great cars in the 60's...where are they today?!!?!!? This product can ONLY be reviewed and opinion based on it.... not on a GS3. My initial post was in no way aggressive, but simply stating true facts. Now for you to think so, only shows that perhaps you too have read the reviews of exactly what i stated. A further search in google will confirm the same issues.... and when more people get their hands on this battery there will be even more complaints. And I've already seen some with NFC not always working and wireless charging not compatible. Power & volume buttons almost impossible to access.

I truly hope you like your battery and it suits you well. Dont ever want to see anyone waste their money. And I'd have surely purchased 2 of Zero's 2650mA batteries if they were available, but hey're not and werent when others did have. Slamming? All I did was summarize what USERS posted about the battery and the issues with it..... while giving the alternative (that I use) that will give MORE mA at 25% cheaper price and NONE of the issues that USERS have stated they have. And yes, I can use my S-View cover or cool Spigen case. Even pop my phone into a car dock when i want.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
I highly doubt that you want me to like my battery. It's obvious that your agenda is to come here and slam the product, and call anyone that likes the battery a "fanboy". If you were giving fair opinions without trying to insult other members in this thread, then I'd buy your story that you're just trying to "state the facts", but again, your way of presenting your opinion has completely shredded any credibility you brought with you.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
Hopefully mine actually comes today. Tracking said it was just a half hour away on Saturday but I still haven't received it yet today.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
Update: unfortunately USPS is taking their sweet time, so I won't have mine until tomorrow. I'll plan on writing my first impressions tomorrow night along with a full review after 3 full cycles.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] wavrunrx:
ahh nuts.

well i can assure you as soon as you get it, you wont be disappointed :D

**edit

status update:

29 hours on battery

10 hours screen on time !
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] jkhawk:
Mine arrived Saturday. I don't know how to post screen shots. But to use to compare I am consistent with my phone.

Bluetooth and wireless are always on. I use about 7-8K minutes a month. My screen usage probably varies slightly day to day but close.

Hyperion and Anker were solid batteries. Both could get me through a day. By about 6 p.m. Hyperion and Anker were usually down to 40-50% left. This is my second day with ZL. Sunday was tough to judge because it was the first full day and wasn't on the phone quite as much.

Today has been a heavy use day. At 11 hours through I have 68% remaining.I checked screen and battery are both at 42% of uasge. I have been on the phone for about five hours. There is no doubt the ZL has more juice in it. I can tell that right away.

Personally I felt the honeycomb Hyperion TPU case was slippery. It didn't provide much grip. The ZL case is better with grip but could be a little better.

I just moved to S4 from the S3 about two weeks ago. The results between the ZL and the Hyperion/Anker are about spot on compared to those I experienced with the S3.

Dating back to the old windows PPC phones I have always needed the extended battery. So I am use to it. I went a couple of days without it with the S4 and it felt too small and light. I don't ever put the phone in my pocket. Now that I have the extended battery it feels normal to me. I think it is easier to text and browse with the extended battery because I feel like I am holding onto something more solid.

Just my two cents on the first couple days
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] coolpepp:
Got the battery. It's smaller than I thought. Do we really need to charge it for 12 hours when we first get it? I have been charging mine for 7 hours. Is that enough?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] wavrunrx:
i personally would go by what the directions say; so yes.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] echsos:
21 hours in with 1 hour 54 screen time at 68% battery left. Wifi off most day using 4g. Played that hill racing game for about 20 minutes at lunch while constantly texting and skyping throughout the work day. Worth noting though that I left the battery plugged in for an hour after it hit 100% and unplugged it, only to discover that in the morning that it was at 93% so it was my fault, I should've left the battery charging overnight probably to let it fully charge. 2nd charge cycle.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
So you're saying it burnt 7% in standby while you were sleeping? And just under 2 hours of screen time with a third of the battery depleted? That's not too good, but thanks for sharing.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] vlad2277:
Don't you need to drain new battery first?

And then only charge it fully
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
So you're saying you're getting equivalent usage time between the S3 & the S4 under similar circumstances? Despite this battery being 50% greater capacity? Really?

---------- Post added at 10:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 PM ----------

Allow partial discharges and avoid full ones (usually)

Unlike NiCad batteries, lithium-ion batteries do not have a charge memory. That means deep-discharge cycles are not required. In fact, it’s better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles.

There is one exception. Battery experts suggest that after 30 charges, you should allow lithium-ion batteries to almost completely discharge. Continuous partial discharges create a condition called digital memory, decreasing the accuracy of the device’s power gauge. So let the battery discharge to the cut-off point and then recharge. The power gauge will be recalibrated.

Avoid completely discharging lithium-ion batteries

If a lithium-ion battery is discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, a safety circuit built into the battery opens and the battery appears to be dead. The original charger will be of no use. Only battery analyzers with the boost function have a chance of recharging the battery.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] echsos:
Yeah, it wasn't fully charged, when I took it off the charger it was really at 94%. Currently hoping that the third battery drain is because the battery isn't calibrated with the phone but we'll see. Trying to give an unbiased opinion on this battery.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] jkhawk:
No I am saying the ZL was definitely better performing on the S3 compared to Hyperion and Anker and looks to be the same case on the S4 with the same batteries.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
Sorry.... I'm confused. And would love to get as much accurate user info as possible.

What are you basing this claim on then? A different phone with different capacity batteries?

You stated you only had this phone 2 weeks. You've had all three of these batteries running & cycled in these 2 weeks on this phone? Or you're just guessing what the other 2 batteries would deliver for you?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] jkhawk:
I had all three batteries for the S3 and had experience using the trio of them. They all three got the job done but the ZL without an argument had much better overall life.

I used the Hyperion and Anker for a little over a week each with the S4. Judging off initial use I would bet the results are similar what they were for the S3. All three can get me through a day but the ZL has that extra pop that puts it well over the other two.

Only negative is the power button on the S4 case doesnt feel as tight as the S3 case. So far it has taken a little extra push to get it to turn on and off.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] wavrunrx:
status update:

hit just over 13 hours of screen on time

phone on battery for almost 30 hours !

all on my first charge cycle !

:good::good:

ZL FTW !
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
Thanks for clarifying. Appreciate your feedback since you had all 3.

Does the phone feel heavier or fatter with the ZL? It's got a 50% larger capacity then the other 2.... Would you also say it's giving you 50% more screentime?

Also if you don't mind, do you have a white or black case? Have you compared picture quality with the flash? And lastly, what about the speaker sound quality (not loudness, anyone can install a volume boosting mod, but the quality) between all 3.

Thanks again.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Ozonep:
Waiting for 3000mAh... :)
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] optimummind:
Oh, that's very nice! What percentage did you have left when you got 13 hrs screen-on time?

As for mine, it's not as good. I'm at 18% left, 32 hrs on, and I got a bit over 7 hrs of screen-on time. I think 2 factors had to do with this: one, when I'm at work, I get 0 to 1 bar of signal due to some Sprint cell work going on plus I enter roaming there. Two, I flashed my phone a couple times keeping up with the crossbreeder updates.

I've been wanting to flash the latest ktoonsez kernel but I'm holding back until I reach 2-3% battery left b/c doing so will mess with the GSam data. :p
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
Flashing shouldn't eat more battery then running other apps. What type of screen time did you achieve with the stock battery while you were at work too? You "should" be getting 3x this amount with this battery. 8-9 hours total is not good at all. No matter what you were doing. Download an app called battery monitor widget. It will show you the actual power of your battery (to see if it's defective or not the legitimate mA) as well as what's really eating up your battery.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
For the first time, we're in agreement dannyben. I also recommend the app "Greenify". It allows you to hibernate Facebook and Maps which are huge battery drainers. On stock, this app literally is the the difference between 3 and 5 hours on screen time for me.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannyben:
And once your battery arrives & you test in we'll be in agreement on a few other things too ;)

Seriously.... I've got nothing against zero. Yes, I'm not a fan of the extra clunkiness but that's just MY taste & opinion. I achieve the same results with an extra spare standard battery or two. And without the known & reported flaws in this model. I'd have preferred zeros 2650, but it's not available.

It's just a pet peeve of mine when people report exaggerated stats - which happens all over these threads - perhaps because they want to seem better than others. xda is a fantastic community & really helps other users, which rely on people's advice & direction. When someone (to be nameless) posts a screenshot that clearly shows his phone was charged (a few times) and also shows he basically has his phone idle the entire time (and nothing like the usage he claims he doing) it's just WRONG & deceiving people. Making them think they're doing something wrong or have a bad product.

Anyway.... Yes, I use greenify & recommend it too. You also need the Xposed framework for it to work properly. That and the fantastic ROM I'm using is what allows me to achieve 6+ hours of screentime on my standard batteries.

Looking forward to your review. And believe it will be an honest one.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
Now it's just a matter of me getting it. DHL tracking still says "Arrived at USPS Location" since Monday @ 5:45am. Stupid USPS. Let's hope they deliver it today.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] optimummind:
Here's another update and it's a weird one. :) Before going to bed last night, I rebooted my phone twice. Once to put into effect a change I made to the Nottach Xposed module (notification panel color change). Second to install the latest CB mod. Upon each reboot, I didn't notice any changes in my battery % remaining nor GSam stat data. And right before I jumped in bed, I took a final look at the screen and it said I had 17% left and my phone has been on 32 hrs & some minutes.

When I turned on the screen this morning, GSam reported that my phone has been on for 39 hrs (correct) but my battery life left was 25%!! :p

Here's my current phone setup with some examples of my apps:

Sprint GS4

Stock odex MDL, rooted

TWRP v2.5.0.2 recovery

Ktoonsez kernel (second to latest release)

Xposed framework + Nottach module + Tweakbox module

Latest CrossBreeder

Greenify

Deep Sleep Battery

Gravity Screen Off

Some software tweak has affected my GSam data but I'm not sure which one it was.

As for my OEM battery, my average screen-on time was 4 & 1/2 hrs to 4 hrs & 45 mins.

Edit: As for work signal quality, Sprint told me they've been working on a cell site since last Thursday. My data and signal receptiona are horrible there (8 hr shifts daily, M-F).
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
I'll tell you this. I've had some of the weirdest things happen after installing Xposed. I actually try to stay away from it for that very reason. It has some cool mods, but I've just had some oddball stuff happen like major lag after changing battery style. I personally prefer 3minit when I'm not running AOSP roms.

---------- Post added at 08:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:40 AM ----------

Also, do you mind sharing your screen on time? Hopefully that wasn't compromised by all the reboots with Xposed.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mjs2011:
It would be interesting to see screenshots from other users to see if the same thing is happening on their first cycle as well.

I'd provide some but the only screenshot I can provide is my tracking status that says that my battery has been at the post office collecting dust since 5:50am Monday.