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[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I like how it looks ... and from what I heard it also has a nice feel ... but definitely I am expecting a better finish on the final product. They have half a year to change these details. What is nice about Jolla is that it listens a bit to the community as well, and it has to. It was able to come so far only because there were people like us :)
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
But you do understand that it takes time to assemble the phone. So I don't think that they will change a lot about it. And maybe they made it longer to put in a bigger battery. If that is the case and it can last a few days without charging, then I don't mind about it
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I might be a bit overcritical :P
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Better then just accepting anything! :p
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
That's why I still use a 3 year old phone .... nothing convinced me. Even that one is an iphone 4, as the android devices back than were **** (both OS and design).

Unfortunately I did not get to use a n9....quite expensive I must say. But I became very interested in the Jolla project right from the beginning (~1 year ago).
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I use a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 now, but I don't like android because of all the skins. It is very inconsistent. That is why I follow the Jolla project.

A little bit off topic: But what do think of Ubuntu Touch?
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
i think it goes a bit to far with the gestures ... Jolla has it just right. Also I really dislike the color on ubuntu (both OS'). Might be that ubuntu would be cool as a tablet OS.

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BTW: have you guys preordered the Jolla device? I am curious on some numbers, but they haven't published any yet.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
With Ubuntu if you change the background all the other elements adapt to those colors. Like with Jolla's Sailfish. But Sailfish changes everything and Ubuntu only the home screens.

I preordered the €0 option. But I'm thinking about ordering the €100 option right now. But I'm not sure yet.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I went for the 40eur option (i really wanted the tshirt :p)

And what a nice surprise:

(i have just received this email)

"This time we didn’t send a message in the bottle, instead we are using a shipping company. You can track your shipment..."
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
They do know how to bring a message in a fun way! :laugh:
[Sailfish General] ashmin:
my t-shirt is on its way too.... :victory:
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
You should post a picture of it when you receive it. That would be awesome! :D
[Sailfish General] ashmin:
I'll do it definitely :D
[Sailfish General] SahilC:
What's the 0 option? :eek:
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
That is the option to let Jolla know that you are interested in buying the phone when it is available. So you don't need too wait. And the great thing about it is that you aren't committed to buy the phone when it is available. You just let them know your interested, nothing more. I recommend everyone who is interested in Jolla to order this pre-order option.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
I hope this doesn't go the way webOS went. Its yet to prove to be a popular operating system (not being released) so its already behind webOS imo, although it looks promising.

The issue for me is that you're sacrificing on the hardware side. With a 4.5” screen its probably better for iSheep converts, (but I can't see any iPhone users being this adventurous?), and maybe a little small considering the android happy medium seems to be 5".

Windows phones are another example of using out of date HW and look how well they are doing compared to android and Apple.

I know lots of you are going to say "but I don't need more than 2 cores in my CPU blablabla", but specs sell phones. I personally would like to support Jolla but I only support cutting edge tech, which this doesn't look to be.
[Sailfish General] ashmin:
marketing sales, not just the specs.... i think the highlight of Jolla is the SailfishOS. I couldn't try a MeeGo phone, but I've heard a lot of positive things about it, which makes me think, that Sailfish will be even better. I hope that there are more people who understand that how many core the cpu has doesn't mean anything. Deciding for the overall performance of the system are other things such as communication speed between the hardware components, an adequate multithreading support from the operating system, an adequate application design(how many % of the android apps can support quad-core architectures?! it isn't clear...) and so on....

And I think you are wrong saying, that Jolla isn't cutting edge- Sailfish offers true multitasking- this is cutting edge, this gives a real significance to the use of multi-core cpus. If the system runs smooth as they say, it has a really good chance. I doubt that the regular users will asses Jolla at its true worth, because their choice of smartphone to buy is often influenced by the tv ads or by the fact, that all friends/co-workers have Iphone, because it is cool, that's why they buy it too... but I hope that there are enough a little bit more experienced user, tired of android and cheap marketing tricks, so the project will make its way... :)

Sail on....
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I totally agree with you! :thumbup:
[Sailfish General] AirportsFan:
Just registered now to say thanks alot for the project! I hope it'll be a nice replacement to current Android phones.

Looking forward to be a developer on it.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
I understand what you're saying, but you only have to look at Samsung and their success as an example. Hardware wise they build decent phones, even if their body it's low grade plastic. People buy into the marketing, which obviously Jolla won't be able to do to start off with.

That means people who buy Jolla will probably be users like us, a tiny part of the market. Its hard enough to sell a phone these days (look at the HTC One) with bleeding edge specs, a well known brand and a familiar experience in Android; let alone something which might be bleeding edge OS wise (arguably more difficult to market) but isn't hardware wise.

Don't get me wrong I've registered my interest and of I've got the money I'll probably get one just to try it, I just hope that the changeable back and software experience appeals to people enough. The Moto X seems to be coming out with multicolored backs, possibly with the cheaper version of the iPhone , soi they may be onto a winner.

What are people opinions on the changeable back cover actually? Personally it's not for me as I believe it's just a trigger for changing the profile of the phone, something that should be able to be done with a few selections regardless IMO.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I don't completely agree with you about you example about Samsung phones. I think that marketing inside phone stores is to blame. The first thing they will show is a Samsung phone. And Samsung does spent a lot on advertising.

I think that the back covers are much more then that. I think they could really add functionality to the phone. Like a physical keyboard. Or a bigger battery. Or a flip-cover. And that the ambiance, theme, changes with the color of the cover is also a nice touch to me.

But I also think that it can add extra security for businesses by storing sensitive data on a back cover that can be swapped by a personal one, so if the phone is stolen or lost it won't be a big problem. That way the back cover could be stored in the office. Instead of by the employers home.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
I don't see where you are disagreeing with my point. Jolla are launching with one Finnish operator so far, that sounds like its going to be a massive hit!

For the back cover to add additional battery power or other functionality would be an interesting move and would certainly make it more useful. Have you got any evidence they're doing this? I've only seen them talking about ambiance and mood, changing the profiles basically which is soft innovation.

Let this be clear I'm no fanboy, until is comes out then we won't know how good it is. At the moment I'd rather put Sailfish on a S4 or HTC One than what they are proposing.
[Sailfish General] Gadgety:
The changeable back really opens up for creativity and differentiation. Color and material is just a tiny part of what's possible. Check this posting on the Jolla forum: http://jollaforum.net/ideas-for-the-other-half-t189.html#p520. They could develop backs with a variety of manufacturers, for example a Nikon back (Nikon's CEO admitted their small cameras are in free fall in terms of sales), etc.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
A "party" other half with a beer opener would be cool :)

I read a tweet from jolla saying that even their own devs ask for a qwerty slide keyboard other half ... and the community has been asking about this from day 1. I think it is probable they will make such a cover.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
To have added functionality is exciting yes. I'm not sure how much of a hit an extra cover would be that added speakers that are as good as the HTC One? Surely the phone should have that already?

Genuine additions like a zooming camera lens or extended battery (things that can't necessarily be in the basic phone) is where they should go. Or what about an e-reader screen on the back like that russian produced phone? Things are then getting excited but I would worry about the extra cost.

BUT if you look at their website, they say: "Magically the software changes to match your selected colour and design". If you look at the picture they show it just looks like a shell which probably comes with NFC or something, not as exciting as what people want.
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
They mentioned about these a couple of times. And the back covers in the presentation represents these addable features.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
Then I would expect to see:

1. Extendable battery (come on this should be easy)

2. Speaker back (this should also be easy)

3. E-reader back (ok pretty hard, but impressive and would get a lot of attention)

The issues are when it comes to price and the argument of what should already be part of the phone.

Not sure why they didn't go down the 5" route with a Full HD screen, that seems to be the best middle ground at the moment (smaller isn't better)
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Extendable battery with QWERTY keyboard if possible :P

E-reader back would be really nice.

Why make it so big? 4.5 is already a bit big for me, but let's say reasonable. I want to be able to carry it in my pocket while going by bike, for example.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I think that they went for the 4.5 inch screen because that is in the middle of the iPhone and the new Android phones. So people who don't like big phones will like it and people who don't like small phones will like it too. And for the cost of course.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
I hope they don't cop out and put a 720p screen on it. Only 1080p will do now.

I can see them doing a qwerty keyboard, probably not the e-reader though :(
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I think that they will go for 720p. But I don't think that that is a problem. Look at the iPhone screen. It may not be the highest resolution but the color reproduction is great. If that will be the case with the Jolla phone, then I'm happy ;)

I do think that they will create a keyboard "Other Half". A lot of the developers at Jolla said that they are looking at the possibility.
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
and you will probably get those features (e-reader maybe not) because they stated that there are lots of possibilities. im sure that those "possibilities" cover stuff like extendable battery and large speakers. but they also need third party other half makers for more solutions in my opinion.

this phone goes between a high end and a medium end device looking at the price. the pricing should have been around 350 euro at most if you ask me.

a 5 inch full hd display would be very expensive and it isn't really necessary. also they don't want to forget the users that don't like giant displays. like me. 4,5 inch for a mid/high range device is more than enough and considering that sailfish doesn't have alot of small touch elements like back buttons at it's ui so...
[Sailfish General] shure2:
They will certainly attract people coming from a smaller phone to 4.5" but for the majority of those coming from 5" plus they probably won't want to go smaller. Personally the HTC One is a bit small for me, 5" would be perfect. Still I appreciate that some people want a smaller phone. Apart from the iphone there isn't a higher end phone smaller than 4.7 at the moment.

I hope 3rd party manufacturers will support the other side, but I think they should set their sights higher than just one Finnish operator, you fanboys can't argue that!
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
that doesn't reflect the fact. not everyone uses a 4.7-5 inch phone. you talk like there is only high end android devices and nothing else. but i ain't talking about high end. that's your thought and world does not revolve around you.

yes it's unarguable with fanboys these days. the ones that call fanboy who isn't one. the phones will be firstly sold on the shelves at finland and china. they have a chinese reseller and a finnish operator. if the phone starts to build more interest which is really hard, more dealers will come.

btw, i never argued anything that they will succeed at anything. it's all up to marketting and popularity nowadays. not even specs.
[Sailfish General] shure2:
Maybe someone should create a poll to ask who has put down the 100 euros for the premium package. I guess Jolla haven't released figures to see how popular its been
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I will create another thread tomorrow. I'm also interested :p
[Sailfish General] massimoce:
My vote is for bad.

But i'm courious about the os
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Why do you think the phone is bad?
[Sailfish General] massimoce:
I don't think that is this the right word but the style and the design is too much "personal".

This kind of design risks to be boring and it seems to be innovative but in my opinion can be pleasant something that is more regular (soft lines, angles).

The ideas about accessories are good but i think that a good marketing strategy is that you must first create a good base of phones (different models), then you can create and sell accessories. (ex last years of Sony)
[Sailfish General] Pasindu88:
Good OS:laugh:. I like the UI and mostly like android app compatible feature. So we can use both apps
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
you should also make a poll for the OS itself.
[Sailfish General] :
https://sailfishos.org/

I would love to get my hands on one.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Today i will create poll for the OS. :D
[Sailfish General] shure2:
I think the poll would be better as there might be split opinions between the phone itself and the software.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
The poll for the operating system is ready. You can find the link in my signature.

Please vote!
[Sailfish General] siggdroid:
I hope there will be a bumper or somthing else to cover the space between the other half.

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[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I think that that would make it look ugly. But I understand your concern about it getting dirty. But you can remove the back cover so cleaning should be easy :p
[Sailfish General] siggdroid:
Maybe it could look bad,:rolleyes:

In general i don't use any bumpers or cases on my phones. Is it the official release design of the phone? Or are they change something before release?

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[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I do use sleeves for my phones sometimes, but I don't use bumpers. They only make it strange :p

What you are seeing now is a preproduction unit, so yes there will change some minor things. Jolla also said that the final version will be thinner. But the overall design will not change. They could change the position of the camera or something like that, but they won't change the screen size.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Maybe I have missed something ... but did Jolla give any info on maps?

Also it would be awesome to include right from the start Spotify :)
[Sailfish General] shure2:
They will use a sandbox so you can use android apps straight off the bat, no word on Jolla maps from what I've read. Hopefully its powerful enough to run the android apps though
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I know about Alien Dalvik, but they should have some standalone app for the maps.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Maybe there is a maps application. They haven't showed us a lot of apps so far, only how the operating system looks like. So there is a big change that it is built in.
[Sailfish General] vortax123:
Well, the OS looks quite nice, but I'm not sure about the hardware.. If the "docking" starts to fail what happens, buy two new pieces?
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Why would the docking fail? That's like saying that the back cover of my phone could break, so I don't buy it. Than you can never buy a phone because there is always something that can break
[Sailfish General] Rodluizpant:
I really liked Sailfish. It's UI is great, I like transparency...

It even runs Android apps.

Of course, since Jolla is a new company, probably, its sales won't be like Samsung Galaxy's, but I think it will do pretty well...
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I think that it will sell quite well. Especially with all the negative news from America spying on people.
[Sailfish General] cvp:
Awsome OS, cant wait :)
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Did you also vote on my other poll especially for the OS? You can find the link in the first post.
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
You should highlight that thread more. :)
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I hope that it is better now :D
[Sailfish General] figofuture:
I think it has a lot of amazing creative things from other platforms, it must be a hero to defense the invasions of Android Borg and iOS Borg.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Redesigned:

http://twitpic.com/d9n71y

http://jollatides.com/2013/08/21/jolla-slight-changes-to-hardware/
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I've seen it this morning. When I'm at a PC I'll upload the new pics. It is a pain to do on a phone. :p

But thanks for letting me know :D
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Added new pics in the first post ?
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
those are not redesigned by jolla. not official.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I've got them from their Facebook and Google Plus accounts. So I think they are legit.
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
No they just retweeted it from another guy on twitter and shared it on facebook. Not official. And the bezel looks more ugly on these edits. Also i would like the camera to be on the top right side for a possible hardware keyboard other half.

original tweets:

why do you think they haven't changed the images on their own site?
[Sailfish General] OddBall88:
They will. A quote from their G+ page:
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Here is the screenshot of their official Google+
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
i still don't think they will put the same images...
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
yeap, just as i thought. they will make changes but the images are fan made.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I've posted the HD renders from Jolla's official site on the first post. And I've added the official ringtone.
[Sailfish General] rdv291:
Jolla and Firefox OS would be great for emerging markets where price is a biggest barrier for smartphones for masses.
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
it was true after all...
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I cannot wait anymore :)) ...
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
What color are you gonna buy? There is a picture in the first post.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Hmmm .... thinking buying more :))

- an idea is to have it full black (not that original)

- black & white

- black & blue

- might go for something more eye-catchy, for weekend mode :)

You?

*sure hope so there will be more complex other-halfs ... even fun ones such as a beer opener :)
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I like the Poppy Red they use in the renders. But I also like the bright/intense blue.
[Sailfish General] siggdroid:
Does anybody know a estimated price for the other half?

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[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
That will depend on the functions of the Other Half. I think that just a colored Other Half without added function should be cheap, depending on the material. But an Other Half that has a hardware keyboard will of course be more expensive.

But Jolla hasn't announced anything on that front. But they did say that other company's can make Other Half's. They will release the blueprints for them. So there will probably be a Chinese company that will make inexpensive Other Half's.
[Sailfish General] siggdroid:
People which preordered, get an extra half, right?

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I would like a full black too, with an extended battery in the other half for work, so i can go a whole workday without charging.

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[Sailfish General] Xlordvk:
When will it be launched anyway....?
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
They are trying to launch it add the end of the year.
[Sailfish General] Xlordvk:
I think I'my gonna get 1 then.... are they giving any developer unit or not yet....?
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
no developer devices. just one phone.
[Sailfish General] ashkan_g00dboy:
test

sorry ! edited!
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Good news everybody :)

http://jolla.com/media/documents/130916_press_release.pdf

http://jolla.com/media/images/jolla-app-grid-fixed.jpg

http://jolla.com/media/images/jolla-app-grid-2-fixed.jpg
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
[POLL] What do you guys think of the Jolla phone?

I was just updating the first post when you commented. But still thank you.

There will be another pre-order round. Are you gonna pre-order?
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I have already preordered the phone and now I am convincing other friends to do so as well.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I haven't pre-ordered yet, only the €0,- option. But maybe I will pre-order now. I'm not sure yet. Did you get your t-shirt already?
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Yes. I went for the 40eur option when they first opened the pre-order campaign.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
Alright nice ;)
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
next pre order is for finland only.

btw new photo:
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Soo, partial specs are available:

(http://jolla.com/your-jolla/)

So the proc. is either a Snapdragon 400 or 200 (http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors)
[Sailfish General] Arty.:
it may also be a snapdragon s4 plus or pro.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
I've updated the thread with the specs from the website, thanks for letting me know.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
Ahh yes, you are right. Anyways as long as the OS is smooth and the apps run nicely I don't quite care if it's quad core or dual core (i have a dual core on my laptop and I run much more complicated and power hungry apps than what we probably run on a phone today).

Anyways, the battery is 2200 ... seems quite ok.

Am not sure though about any protection for the screen. I see this as a must. And I am also curious about the screen, if it is high def or just medium.
[Sailfish General] tbo-art:
From the looks in the videos the OS runs pretty good.

I also hope that the screens looks good. I rather have a screen like the iPhone with a lower resolution but a good color reproduction than a full HD screen with poor colors.

I've also added a picture with the interface of the camera.
[Sailfish General] goosebumps4:
I've missed the other half connectivity from the finnish specs page: http://jolla.com/fi/your-jolla/

WIFI, NFC, I2C, Power