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[Galaxy S 4 General] hotheabilly:
DUDE CALM DOWN.

YES, YOU CAN RELEASE YOUR ROM. But you may forget the RESPECT part. If WE get 4.3 updates from SAMSUNG, then its free for all to release 4.3 rom. BUT, IN THIS CASE, you forget that intervigilium who is Cyanogenmod developer PORTING 4.3 to 9500, so I think HE HAS THE RIGHTS. WE ALL WAITING FOR 4.3, EVEN FOR NON STOCK TOUCHCRAP THINGS, but we all can wait. Nobody disallowed you to creating rom for his devices tree, but lets don't forget the RESPECT PART. I know Grarak had an 4.2 AOSP rom for 9500 but HE DIDN't RELEASING that because of the RESPECT.

Just that simple bro.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gdonanthony:
This is why i9500 get only a stock based custom rom because many people are stopping someone from releasing an UNOFFICIAL ROM !! OMG whats wrong from releasing it ? and we all know great devs like [MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION] will give proper credits !!

he is not stealing or making something bad for it !!

Something i saw from codeworkx's thread:

"If you're going to reuse our work, which we're doing for free, be fair and give proper credits.

This is the only payment we're really demanding and we deserve it to be mentioned because of the countless hours we've put into this project.

Open-Source doesn't meant Out-of-Respect!!!"
[Galaxy S 4 General] hotheabilly:
you forget the respect part, buddy
[Galaxy S 4 General] marcus7775:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 General] AL_IRAQI:
+1 :D

If you release the rom now you will be banned from xda devs for ever and we will miss you just like jellybam developer :)

Sent From my i9500 With ☆★Crash Rom☆★
[Galaxy S 4 General] paarthdesai:
really guys? after many months you guys get a dev and you do this to him? act ungrateful? and kick him out? gr8 behaviour seriously... stay with touchpiss stock forever then...
[Galaxy S 4 General] GadgetCheck:
I couldn't stop my self from posting this after seeing all the hate here.

Remember if the developer of the original work has posted it as a Opensource tree and if someone else forks that tree and develops something on top and gives proper credit to the OP then,"ITS NOT STEELING!!!"

THATS THE POINT OF OPENSOURCE.

And thats how Unofficial Rom's are born.

So in my view @doga.ozkaraca has done nothing wrong, i humbly request you all to please stop flaming the thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
Please brother, dont do that!

If there is misunderstanding lets talk about it.

You have a point as well as others.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELEASE YOUR OWN ROM, PROVIDED THAT YOU HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION AND GIVE PROPER CREDITS.

ITS OUR PLEASURE TO HAVE A DEV SUPPORTING I9500 LIKE YOU.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Grarak:
BTW:

Did you noticed this?
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Agreed, I can't really see any legal / ethical problem since Intervigil decided to keep the tree public. IMO, there's no need to wait Intervigil release it first (I think Intervigil not even care about this - seems childish) but, anyway, I agree that an OK (via PM / eMail...) would be required before release the ROM.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
They are not ungrateful, you dont have to make it a big deal.
[Galaxy S 4 General] doga.ozkaraca:
AND I SAID I WILL GIVE CREDITS TO INTERVIGILIUM. BECAUSE, I USED DEVICE-TREE(STEALED DEVICE TREE SOURCES FROM SAMSUNG AND OTHER DEVELOPERS. NICE)

AND I TRIED TALKING WITH INTERVIGILUM HE DIDNT ANSWERED ABOUT 15 DAYS

I HAVE RESPECT FOR ALL WORKS.EXCEPT DEVICE TREES.BECAUSE ITS SOURCES.SO EVERY DEVELOPER CAN CREATE. I CAN DO THAT TOO. I CAN STEAL AUDIO SOURCE FROM INTERVIGIL AND DISPLAY SOURCE FROM HTC ONE , TOUCH SCREEN SOURCE FROM OTHER DEVS. ETC. SO EVERYBODY WILL SAY WHAT A GOOD DEV.WOAH.. HE IS CREATING DEVICE TREE -- NICE.

..... my developer friends have started developing to s4 too. and after that conversation. we will go to other forums and other devices.....

OK, I WON'T RELEASE A ROM FOREVER - I WILL GIVE LAST UPDATE SOON FOR AOSPORT ROM AND IT WILL BE DISCONTINUED SOON.AND I WILL SELL MY DEVICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gdonanthony:
i read it again and again but i dont know which part states that [MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION] cant release an UNOFFICIAL ROM...

if u dont mind can u quote it... thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] hotheabilly:
dude, calm down. yes, you can release your work as its opensource, but again, if I were you, I will giving some respect. Waiting intervigil release his work for first time and the followed by your work

just my 2cents
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Brother you are a good resource to the community. Don't do that. The device is amazing and your support here is amazing. About releasing or not, totally your decision. But don't leave the community and the device just becuase people said you some stuff. Personally I wouldn't release right now, many devs are rude (yeah codeworkx you :P), we wouldnt like if things heat up between you and intervigil (i have no clue how he is). So release or no release, at least don't leave the community or the device. We require resources like you and Grarak
[Galaxy S 4 General] gdonanthony:
PLEASE LEARN TO UNDERSTAND THIS: (BY [MENTION=3208754]codeworkx[/MENTION])

"If you're going to reuse our work, which we're doing for free, be fair and give proper credits.

This is the only payment we're really demanding and we deserve it to be mentioned because of the countless hours we've put into this project.

Open-Source doesn't meant Out-of-Respect!!!"
[Galaxy S 4 General] Alberto96:
Maybe its better to change thread title to Official CyanogenMod News and ask a mod to clean the thread. For other CyanogenMod roms (source compiled, unofficial..) its better to create another thread. At least here we can discuss about cm progress and not about unofficial progress/releases.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 5pace:
*delete*
[Galaxy S 4 General] 3473:
People think they know the rules, don't know the rules, and ruin it for everyone
[Galaxy S 4 General] Arjav23:
[MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION] try to contact cm team on twitter

and pls dont quit

This may sound WEIRD and UNREsPECTFUL again, but all those who want that rom right now can just PM u
[Galaxy S 4 General] gdonanthony:
+1

some people just dont want i9500 development to be lively...

think well ur bringing i9500 community down...
[Galaxy S 4 General] hotheabilly:
nah I'll leave it to the developer itself. Everybody had his own head to think in different way. Release or not release it, still I will thank for your effort here in 9500.

Thank You.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bulut.O:
What a crap are you all talking about... OpenSource is OpenSource... He gave Credit in everything he released... if some dev is acting like samsung and not answering PM or whatever you cant expect someone to wait for an OK... Till he gets his OK we all will be using an S5...

Instead of beeing happy for having good devs some people just like to complain and try to look professional...

[MENTION=536030]doga[/MENTION]: you should stop listening to this crap and continue your work...

If someone has a problem with that he can use other roms...

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9500 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] Rahulrulez:
Doka, since the source is on Git. You have full rights to reproduce it..

I would say, tweet [MENTION=1466193]cyanogen[/MENTION] and confirm. If no objection, nobody will stop you. Nobody has right to stop you!
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Did any one see the new Elder Scrolls Online gameplay at QuakeCon?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Riosworos:
[MENTION=536030]doga[/MENTION]......we all want you to release your ROM......we just want it done properly.....so plz drop the anger and release the ROM
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
please dont do that.

We are thankful to have a dev like you supporting our i9500.

Remember that not all people will like or dislike you and not all will agree and disagree.

Just do what you think is right and dont mind everything bad you see here.

Just dont forget to ask permission and give proper credits.

Its your decision now if you will stay.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mattdt:
by the time this "he said, she said" argument is finished, most of the dev's won't want to do work on the i9500 because of all the flak that is thrown in. then we will all be back where we started, with some okay-ish rom's based on samsung stock and that is it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Its [MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION] ...... [MENTION=536030]doga[/MENTION] is some zero posts user :silly::silly:
[Galaxy S 4 General] AL_IRAQI:
Please Don't :(

It seems that intervigilium want to be the first one who release CM Rom For i9500

So he don't replay to your massages

Sent From my i9500 With ☆★Crash Rom☆★
[Galaxy S 4 General] 5pace:
People who are here saying stuff about 'bragging rights' / 'respect' are just kids who are just going with the majority and overlooking the fact that developers on the level of intervigilium don't care about their friggin' 'bragging' rights they know that that they are approved by the Cyanogenmod team and are a part of team. If he really cared about his bragging rights and the initial respect he would earn, he would've just made his device tree private and would've developed on it.

So if any unofficial developer comes on and starts developing from his tree, he wouldn't care. Why? Because he made it on an OPEN source scale and that's what Cyanogenmod is that's why most ROMs here on XDA are based on Cyanogenmod so how would it be stealing if he develops on an open-source based ROM.

It's really ironic how people encouraged someone to develop a ROM and now they turn their backs just because of some retard's implication regarding intervigilium's bragging rights.
[Galaxy S 4 General] zelendel:
Ok guys, Enough. Let me refresh you on the Sites rules

12. Using the work of others.

If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.

Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.

As an addition, developers have the right to hold exclusivity over their work for as long as it is deemed necessary by the dev or freely share it. However, if the work is claimed as exclusive, it must remain as such. No selective sharing will be allowed (ie allowing certain people to use it and not others). Should the dev decide to start sharing the work with others, the work automatically becomes fair game for all to use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Comments like this against devs, turn them off for development and they move away from the device.

For [MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION]: Totally your decision mate. We are with you in either case :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Riosworos:
Just because i havnt posted b4 doesnt mean i hvnt been following the thread....!! So mind ur biz wasnt talking 2 u
[Galaxy S 4 General] a2441918:
@Doga we need u badly plz dont abandon 9500:crying::crying::crying:
[Galaxy S 4 General] AL_IRAQI:
I'm with doga.ozkaraca from the beginning when he open aosp port theard

I want him to stay and continue developing for i9500 :)

Sent From my i9500 With ☆★Crash Rom☆★
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
[MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION]

Please dont trash i9500, just dont take it seriously, we believed in you and your work!

Dont leave everything because of 2 or 3 users comments against your work.

We need you here...
[Galaxy S 4 General] galza:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 General] paarthdesai:
you guys are like a chameleon changing colours.. u first want people tp develop for you.. when a person does u nag him down saying u kanged or whatever, then when that dev is leaving you again want him to stay and develop?

dafuq? O.o

sent from my sexy Nexy ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] hotheabilly:
actually I just didn't want he had serious issues with another dev, as simple like that
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
You must be fun at the parties :laugh:

I want him to stay as well :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
Lets ask mod to clean this thread for unnecessary comments.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jeraydus:
[MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION]

I've been using your AOSPort for a long time, and I really like it. I hope that you do not discontinue that, or, if you do, I hope that you will release that rom of yours so I can have that on my new device. Your works are great, and I would really want to see more works from you. PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE! I hope you stay with us, on the i9500 development, my friend.
[Galaxy S 4 General] zelendel:
I will be cleaning all non official CM news from the thread later today. So back on topic

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Galaxy S 4 General] gdonanthony:
hows the battery life ? can share to me pls ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
If work is public, i dont see a problem in use, since with proper thanks, we have few developer, stop then from realese a build will Bad for all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
@ all

If all sources are there available working out of the box, then I'd challenge the people to bring up th device booting without modifying a single line of code on that. Come on guys, be fair. I'll ask you this, will you let your code used by others even before you use it.? It's like presenting a half baked food in a dinner and giving proper credits to the chef himself. Can't you guys wait for a few more days? No one's is Goin to ask anything if the release is done after cm10.1 is unveiled

---------- Post added at 09:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:12 PM ----------

Sorry, thanked accidentally :D. If a developer can't wait for a few more days at least as a mark of respect for a fellow developer then I'd say it's better for him to make his own decision whether to stay or not, at the end of the day it's after all a mobile and we have life more than that.

Edit :

And most people here are commenting here without even knowing how the work is done for aosp, all they need is a cm10.1 rom to flash.
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
I agreed we all can wait first cm rom, they deserve that, but after that all builds will be good
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Totally agree with this. Most of the people just want a build right now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Grarak:
Even doga release a preview of cm, it would be completely useless. Every 10min I will get random reboots. Somethings the device doesn't turn off the key lights. Camera doesn't work. You cannot make any calls and there are lots of more issues
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Did you try with today's commits? I am building right now.

BTW, the issues was with file name mismatch in headers. The file was in small letters whereas it's name was in Caps.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
This discussion is not about the legality if somebody is allowed to use open-source code or not, it's about having the common sense and decency of waiting for the original author to finish a work and release it before you go on to create a derivative of it. And by releasing, I mean a proper "here you go, this is now in an acceptable state".

All I'm seeing here over the past few days was a guy who could barely manage to put together a working ROM without the help of [MENTION=4443334]Grarak[/MENTION] or [MENTION=3019846]Albert96[/MENTION].

We don't need such people in the community, I for one will make sure to not support such creations in my own work.

And I severely hope this thread won't be censored by moderation as it portrays a serious problem with development on this forum in general. Leave it as a lesson to be learned.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
we should call ourselves daring :D we dont even have triangle away but still are prepared to welcome cm10.2 hahaha
[Galaxy S 4 General] lch920619x:
in other device forums there is often a thread for unofficial CM builds before the official build is made available.

devs will give proper credits to CM team and maintainer. and they will say something like " i just compiled it, all credits goes to..."

In many cases the thread will be discontinued after official CM nightlies are out.

maybe that is the kind of stuff we really want now? good for us flasholics and no controversy?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
you still dont get the point , dont you?
[Galaxy S 4 General] hotheabilly:
Totally agree with andrei words.

Respect first then everything will follow.

Sent from my iPotato
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
There is no productive reason that any of this should lead to a conflict.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lch920619x:
Since this has somewhat become a tradition on xda, I dont see why it cant work for s4.

Its too naive to say that the first build must be released by the maintainer. At least this has seldom been the case for CM.

---------- Post added at 05:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:51 PM ----------

Just use I9505 as an example, official CM10.2 is not out yet. However there are bunch of self compiled 10.2 roms in the forum.

what's wrong with this?
[Galaxy S 4 General] D™:
Ohhhh.. Away for 3 hrs and saw all this.

I think i must share a true story here.

Grarak buddy was witness there.

its about JB for a almost dead device. our best friend and a great Dev like Grarak, [MENTION=4719724]Adam77Root[/MENTION] developed CM for galaxy R. even samsung didn't support it. That man supported it, then Grarak took command and hence we are having all major ROM based on AOSP.

Once a user used his Device tree and build Rom for other device. He has even didn't bother himself to give credit to the original Dev. They both fought for their dignity. In the end, nothing matters.

Again, our great Dev Adam hurt badly by CM team. His work was dominated badly. just like [MENTION=536030]doga[/MENTION] buddy, he was also feel offended and took decision to abandon his work. But he is sensible and knew about users wishes, love and faith. Due to his hardworking we just in stage of getting CM10.2. He is XDA RD with CM official device handler now. Also, Epsylon3, the great dev, return back and start giving us surprising about CM10.2. Grarak buddy is going to give us MiUi5.So, learn something about to being nothing buddy.

Abandon work isn't a solution. But showing ur politeness and waiting for ur correct time is best. Choose ur destiny buddy. its ur choice to develope or not to. But remember always, One day, U gonna earn for what u have done.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
Its still the decision of the dev if he wants to release or not.

In this case he says that he will not continue developing for i9500.

Its sad because of those few words, he easily decided to discontinue supporting i9500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] intervigil:
I don't frequent XDA, nor do I typically reply to many emails asking for help compiling things, as I tend to get quite a few of them. That said, it seems like things have gotten out of hand here.

I don't typically package releases for devices I work on, usually I just let jenkins do it. If others want to compile and package things and put together something, that's perfectly fine with me. However, the device tree and associated bits are still in quite a bit of flux, so it's quite possible that things won't work, or things won't compile.
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
You, sir, are a magnificent coding genius :)

Green lights for you [MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION] :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Rahulrulez:
Some ridiculous stuff is going on here :(

Let [MENTION=1466193]cyanogen[/MENTION] reply on this. I have tweeted Steve. Let's see what he says..

According to me, intervigilium not just porting the stuff by copy pasting but he is working hard to fix tremendous amount of bugs that are produced. It is his honor to present the ROM to us.

Although, there is another side of this coin. Since he is committing all the source and changes on github possibility is that everyone is allowed to contribute / use the source.

As far as I know, Steve asked us to contribute to Intervigilium's device tree, not reproduce it and release own version.. It is so confusing right now. I know CM allows unofficial builds.. Let Doka release his ROM. If CyanogenMod guys have any objections, they will contact moderators..

We can not stop anyone from doing their own stuff...
[Galaxy S 4 General] @xDeepS:
Doka shouldn't have posted news about his ROM in this thread. This is what happens when you start getting general opinion instead from developers. And it's very immature to get your feelings hurt. People will always talk. I doubt those who thrash talked him know the rules or know how development works.

The code he worked with was open source. And if proper credit was given its okay. Now those who claim we should wait for intervigil to release first is just delaying development. If CM wants credit for developing a stock rom first for 9500 they should, do it, faster. If someone beats them to it then so be it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AL_IRAQI:
Dafuq !!

I replied in another theard ○_○
[Galaxy S 4 General] iamsachin:
Though i support doga here, your comment is quite immature in itself. CM isn't building ROMS for releasing them ASAP to compete with other developers, nor are they actually worried about any one building right from the source. Doga didn't beat them to it. He compiled the ROM from intervigil's commits and CM sources. CM waits ROM to be quite workable (at least basic things ) before releasing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Avide:
Drama here :l

Enviado desde mi GT-I9500 usando Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jeraydus:
Has anyone sent a pm to [MENTION=5258154]doga.ozkaraca[/MENTION] yet? if not he may actually really leave... then we won't get a rom from him. If nobody done that yet, I will personally pm him.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marc_ecko28:
I already did, but if he really decide to leave we cant do anything about it.

Hope he'll stay developing i9500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AL_IRAQI:
I sent him the answer :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] doga.ozkaraca:
Ok, buddies

I saw all private messages(pm)

I need think about it and i should plan what to do next.

give me 1-2 days :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jeraydus:
Alright take your time buddy. Best of luck to you!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Alberto96:
[MENTION=3019846]Albert96[/MENTION] is an user with 0 posts xD

Don't worry btw, im just joking ;) There are much more important problems than this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] zelendel:
OK guys look. Here is the bottom line. If someone builds a rom and gives all proper credits and has gotten permission for the work (if he used others) then he can release it. If it is unstable or not. I think alot of people have forgotten what this site is about. It is not for you to come and get Roms. It is for you to learn to develop things yourself. At least he took the initiative and tried to learn. Something alot more people need to do.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Galaxy S 4 General] runedrune:
Shouldn't release a half working ROM right now anyway. There are lots of noobs that'll end up flashing it too and that's when the complaining is going to start.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djigane:
I think it's just a matter of RESPECT, fair play & Gentlemen agreement.

If it was me, I will wait until the release of those who are giving us a chance to have CM before releasing my work, and maybe if I wait, I'll be able to improve my work with the official release...

In other words, respect and honour to the first who put his hands on this Exynos 5410 stuff, please...
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
If you are letting them know that is a half working build I can't see why it shouldn't be released. Personally, I won't flash it but it's always to have options (even for testing purposes).

Tapatalked from my Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] runedrune:
Some people don't like to read. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Until they brick a phone :), it's a reasonable price for a such good habit.

Tapatalked from my Galaxy S4