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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
if it's true, i'll sell my 16gb and buy the 32gb. would be nice :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Be nice to know if is true. Seems there would be more traction about such news, but so far not.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Southern_mind:
I went and just got the 16gb one. Love the phone and used foldermount app to move epoch and mc4 to the sdcard. I do wish they had the 32GB I would have gone for that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
agreed on vzw marketing announcements. the catch is they never committed to when any version would be available. i've stated all along that i believe they're holding the higher storage versions for a 'second push' event, probably closer to the next iphone announcement or release...

as far as gaming, i don't believe anyone insinuated there is one and only one way to game. or that there should be only one device dedicated to gaming. however, i see it as overkill (my opinion) if you have a multitude of dedicated gaming devices already at your disposal, but you refuse to by a phone because it doesn't have enough storage to load up all the huge games you already play on your pc, tablet, ds, etc. some people are really obsessive about their gaming, but at least they have choices.

^ this and the sd card storage expansion for media is another reason why most carriers aren't in a rush to announce or release a 32gb version. the demand just isn't there when the large majority by far only need expanded memory for media and not gaming. in that context very few consumers, probably less than 1%, will spend $50 or more to buy a phone with more memory on board when they can get twice the memory in a sd card for less than the cost difference between a 16gb phone and a 32gb phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
can this be done without root? or do i need to root first? this would get me to root for sure but i think i will anyways even if i don't have to for folermount. nevermind found out you need root. Gonna have to give this a try :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AliceBToklas:
We can always hope. I'm optimistic this will come. Just hope for sooner rather than later.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
If no other information by Friday beyond sites parroting the same email as information, seems it might be bunk.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Has anybody called Samsung?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] robroy90:
I will believe it when I see it. They promised a developer edition for the S3 and it never materialized. If it eventually did, that is news to me. I got tired of waiting for it and just went with a retail 32GB S3 at that time.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Southern_mind:
Yeah you have to root.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChrisNee1988:
I'm waiting for 32gb as well, I have enough apps and games to use up 20gb on my s3 plus pictures and videos and rom backups to use up most of my 64gb sd card. I don't think I can risk going less than 32gb since touchwiz nandroid backups are so huge.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
Called Samsung and they tells me to contact retailers. They are useless. I contacted Amazon relating the unlocked 32gb and 64gb and I asked them to talk with Samsung. I told them that they can put the 32gb at least into pre-orders to see that there is really interest on it if they don't trust me. They said that that's a good idea and I started telling them about the petition I started and they asked me to forward it to it. Told them that I want at least an ETA on when the 32gb version will be released.

It seems like the signatures can really attract attention between retailers.

Please, keep sharing the petition I have in my signatures :) We need more people to sign it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
It seems that all the hoopla over the one apparent email posted by one person that a couple sites parroted and one (Gottamobile) appears to have added conjecture to, was not accurate (or whatever else you want to call it).

Seems unlikely after three days there would not be corroborating reports by prominent sites by now. 32gb appears just as doubtful as before.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] platinumrims:
I too wanted a 32/64 gig S4. Was a little bummed when I went to the store and they didn't have any. I decided not to buy it until I looked around to see if they would get a 32 soon. Doesn't look like it. My rezound only has 16 gigs and it's never been a problem. But I don't put games on it and my SanDisk ultra card is mostly used by nandroids. So I guess I'd be fine with a 16. :-\
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] blackhand1001:
On the CPU side the nexus 10 slaughters the a6x. Gpu its close with a slight advantage to the a6x. However the 5250s a15 cores absolutely murder the a6x.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] YoshiFan501:
Signed!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
Wow. Yall are still holding out on the S4? Might as well wait for the S5.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
In theory, but MAME plays far smoother on the iPad 4 than the N10. Surely Android is not that much inefficient.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] blackhand1001:
Its not the CPU and its not android. Its mame app you are using that's the issue.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I assumed that as well, but they are apparently compiled with the same resources to the point of being about the same. I am using version 1.3 for Android and iOS (released close to same time at same site). The Nexus 10 and the Qualcomm S4 play the same speed with 1.3 and similar to the iPad 3. iPad 4 is much smoother. MAME does not leverage the GPU and does everything through CPU clock cycles. That is why I like MAME for testing, since shows the true grit of the CPU part of a chipset.

I am a MAME nut, so test different devices. I think the Tegra 4 might be the point for MAME and Android. Assuming no single channel memory like the Tegra 3 ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Super Sam Galaxy:
If they can make money...

If Verizon decides that they can make more money by offering a 32 GB model then it will happen. If not, it won't. Right now, everyone who wants an S4 on Verizon is getting the 16 GB version because they don't have a choice. A few people may decide not to because of the size limitations, but most people who want it are going to bite the bullet and deal with the small storage space. In addition, it encourages the use of cloud storage wherever possible, which drives up data usage and will cause you to either incur overages or have your limit increased. So the few bucks they lose on customers who are not upgrading because of the storage capacity are being made back in overage fees/plan increases.

Everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - Verizon does is motivated by money, even at the cost of comsumers' needs. So if they can be convinced it would bring them more $$, it will absolutely happen.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hoag50:
Talk to VZW CSR and he said that they do have the 32 GB S4 I'm picking one up weds
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Justblazeitup:
Where are you from and can anyone else confirm this?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hoag50:
I'm from Pittsburgh PA
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
As I know, Verizon confirmed the 32gb version, but nobody knows when it's coming. [MENTION=4904384]Super Sam Galaxy[/MENTION]: Using cloud storage doesn't help, don't forget that you have a sd-card slot which is more cheaper than a cloud storage. However, none of those helps with apps (obviously you can't install apps on cloud, right?). Samsung becomes a bigger pain in ass each year.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Super Sam Galaxy:
I totally understand that apps have to go on the local storage. I'm not saying that what they're hoping you will use (cloud storage) is actually a suitable solution, but I do think that cloud storage is their motivation behind this particular limitation. What I am saying is that they want you to fill up that tiny 16 GB ASAP, be it with apps (which can only go on local storage) or photos, videos, music, etc. because they want you to use cloud storage for the things that won't fit. Some people will buy an SD card and some will use the free 50 GB of Dropbox storage Samsung was promoting for a while, but Verizon knows that anything that encourages you to increase the amount of data you transfer over their network equates to money in their pocket.

As far as them confirming the 32 GB, I have read one story where a rep did confirm it, and one where a rep confirmed they will not have it. I wrote both of those off because it seems like there is no consistency between one rep and another. Did you hear a confirmation from a more reliable source? (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm actually asking because I would like to know if there is solid evidence that it will be available at some point.)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
And not only the bandwidth, but don't forget that those 50gb Dropbox offers are for 2 years...then you need to pay for them. I'm sure Samsung gets money from Dropbox, each time a client pay for extensions. I'm sick of all those businesses
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AliceBToklas:
Please report back when you have it in hand and it actually has 32BG internal storage. There was one report of someone being sold one being told it was a 32GB model but only had a 32GB SD card.

Inquiring minds want to know.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
If you refer to the email by one person on another forum and the sites that repeated the same information, that is not a confirmation by Verizon. Verizon have made no mention of it, know nothing about it, there is no SKU other than the two for the current 16GB models, and no prominent sites have mentioned it either.

Not seeing how anybody will get a 32GB model of a product that has no product SKU. Seems another poster got bad info as far as getting one this week, though maybe a chance in the coming weeks. At least a one in a million Dumb and Dumber chance ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
You're the boss, you probably researched, I haven't. I can't personally confirm but I've seen pretty much news on the Internet related with this. We take it as a rumor but may be true. Let's see if this month something change, at least if 32gb unlocked device starts appearing in retailers offers.

I sent an email today to Samsung Korea (group) showing our frustration for the false advertisement and lack of 32gb and 64gb variants, unlocked - career free and locked and I've also forwarded once again the petition I started which reached over 400 signatures and keeps increasing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
No boss here, but an equally frustrated S4 owner wannabe :) Still, the thing that got hopes up was one email from one person that has yet to be validated by Verizon. I see no reason for a fake email, so perhaps just poor communication from Verizon VP?:

She (the VP) knows something she tells a customer via email, but not her own staff. In my similarly large company, a person that did that could be in trouble. Verizon per their own people is very secretive with information.

She confused the S4 with another product.

Both from a practical standpoint seem unlikely.

Added:

Perhaps the email is accurate and simply an issue of the VP not appreciating the customer interest and is simply a supply issue from Samsung. Verizon would not want to be one-upped by At&t, so could want to be quiet about it and release when available.

This still would not explain the lack of a supply chain sign of a SKU for the product, or a complete lack of awareness. This is key to my doubt.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I wish that were correct, but seems they have told you wrong.

Edit: No seems about it. They did tell you wrong. Give em' heck when you show up to get it ;) Or, save a trip and ask them to confirm.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
not sure i buy this. if pushing us to use cloud storage was their goal, they would have nixed sd expansion capability and made all storage internal and capped (like with the galaxy nexus). instead they gave us the choice of sd expansion which is a far better option, far more flexible and more cost effective than the "cloud".

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they probably confused your request with the samsung galaxy s3 or the samsung galaxy nexus, both of which offer 32gb. ...or it was a convenient misstatement to bait and switch you once get you to the store. wouldn't be the first time...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Super Sam Galaxy:
But in order for Verizon to completely remove the capability of using an SD card, they would have to get Samsung on board, as Samsung is the manufacturer. I don't think they would completely redesign their device on Verizon's behalf. The Galaxy Nexus was without storage as a design choice across the board. There are not versions that do have SD capability and versions that don't. It's not as though there are SD-capable Galaxy Nexus devices and then specific Verizon Galaxy Nexus devices without SD storage. Aside from that, Verizon can limit the capacity and get away with it. If they offered the only version of a device with limited capacity AND lack of SD support while other carriers did not impose that limitation they would not sell many of the device in question (which in this case would otherwise be a guaranteed best-seller). So they have to deal with the fact that SD storage is available. They can't force you to use cloud storage, but they can encourage it. Smart consumers will buy a $40 64 GB micro SD card, but others may go with the "free" cloud storage.

With that said, I will acknowledge that perhaps I am being paranoid and that their motivations are not as sinister as I assume they are. But it has certainly been my experience that they will do anything for a dollar regardless of how it negatively impacts customers, so my natural assumption when I see a "wtf" play is that there is some way they can profit from it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
i got you. i absolutely despise the "cloud" and rail against it every chance i get. i can acknowledge it's useful and a godsend for some purposes. it is ironic that i had a galaxy nexus without sd expansion though and the 32gb on board was barely enough when my nandroids and media were taken into consideration. i was constantly having to move old backups and decide what music, pics, vids i didn't need to have with me. with a 64gb card that's no longer an issue.

and it will become obvious very quickly that the cloud might be free to have, but may not be so free to use depending on how it's being accessed (wifi or mobile data). plus it's just inconsistent. and if you're really paranoid, then you wouldn't be very interested in the cloud as they basically own everything you put on their servers if you read all the fine print in their sla.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Super Sam Galaxy:
I'm not big on cloud based services either. I am fine with them backing up my data, but would never use it as my primary means of storage. And I agree about the privacy issue. I'm personally fine with using it as a backup because there is not any information I can think of that I care about anyone knowing about other than something like banking info, and that kind of stuff is not the kind of thing cloud backups are used for. But I can definitely see how that could be a concern to the more security conscious, particularly when being applied to business needs. I would not really say I'm paranoid in general, but perhaps my outlook on Verizon's motivations are on the paranoid side, and that would be a result of consistent negative experiences. You could say that as Verizon is concerned, I have a disposition to assuming the worst.

Either way, I'm just trying to make sense out of their decision not to support the model that would likely outsell the one they are offering now. The S4 is a high-end Android device, so the target demographic is not people who want an economy smartphone. That certainly makes it seem that the higher capacity model (at probably only $50 more) would do better for them. So it does raise the question, what are their motivations? My theory could be way off base, but I haven't heard or been able to come up with another one. I am certainly open to suggestions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
i don't think the 16gb variant fits into the economy segment simply because of storage size. especially keeping in mind that a small percentage of power users, mostly gamers, would need more than 7gb on board for apps. i consider myself a power user and have more than 5gb available on board even with all the apps i've loaded up. i do keep all my other stuff on the sd card though. the technologically aware probably pop in a sd card to expand storage or have one at the ready as soon as they activate the phone anyway.

the s4 mini would fit into the economy model segment. it seems like a very good phone too.

verizon's drive to offer only the 16gb version for the time being is probably as simple as availability and demand...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
I think they aren't offering it for 2 reasons: force people to use the cloud and also because the lowest capacity model of ANY phone ALWAYS sells the MOST :)

Media can be stored on the SD card so those that hoard songs/movies/video clips can buy a 64gb sd card and they are good. Most people only download a few apps and most are like 50mb and less (angry birds, messenging apps, etc) I think there is only a small sliver of people that would really use all that space and it's people that like the 2gb videogames like me :) 4 of those and you are done on this S4.

But most people just want the coolest phone at the cheapest price. if someone tells you can get the hottest phone right now for $X or add space and pay $X + $100 or add more space and pay $X + $200, and that EVERYTHING is exactly the same in the phones except for the space, people are going to choose the cheapest option 9 times out of 10.

I guarantee you if we could get any official numbers for the galaxy s3 or iphone 4s/5 that the 16gb version would have outsold the 32gb/64gb versions by orders of magnitude.

I would HAPPILY pay any price for a 64gb S4 since i love phones and videogames but the reality is most smartphone buyers are like my wife (and family and brother in law and co workers) which is "give me a phone that does facebook and i can load a few addictive apps like candy crush and do it for the cheapest price possible and i'm good" <----reality. if it wasn't reality, companies would MAKE 32gb and 64gb happen.

As an experiment, try selling a 64gb and 16gb iphone 5 on craigslist/ebay and see what happens. I did and it was 10X easier to find a buyer for the 16gb, even though more 16gb are being sold. Of course once i lowered my 64gb to a price that was not getting near the profit margin that the 16gb was, i sold it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Super Sam Galaxy:
I can accept supply and demand as a possible motivation, though it's not nearly as fun as a conspiracy theory! :p Just to be clear though, I was not saying a 16 GB S4 would be considered an economy device, just that it would be the more economical and more technologically limiting device between that and a higher capacity model of the same device, but the fact that it is high-end in any storage capacity is my reasoning behind the idea that people who are already in the market for one of the more expensive and capable devices are likely to want to get as much out of them as they can, especially if it is a marginal price difference.

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I'm on board with you as far as storage vs. price. Price would not be a big factor for me if it were the difference between a tiny amount of storage and a much larger amount. If I could afford it, I'd do it. That is interesting about the iPhones though, I would have very much thought it to be the other way around. I guess this can be attributed to the fact that smartphones have become so commonplace that the majority of the market is comprised of consumers who use them on a casual basis as opposed to those who go "Inspector Gadget" with them (me). :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
How come nobody screams for more ram? That impacts me more than storage.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
The S4 has 2GB of ram, so not an issue. The issue is Verizon being suck butts not offering at least the 32GB and others (one email followed by several parrots) spreading apparent misinformation that they are going to. Not to mention Verizon WILLINGLY misleading customers that the 16GB is fine, since you can add up to 64GB expansion.

These people are misleading from a set script for a reason and their leadership defines the script.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Everything you said is true... except I would like 2 user available gigs of ram. Since the os uses so much ram they'd have to give us 3 to give us 2.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
I rooted and now i have Modern Combat 4, NOVA 3, Wild Blood, Order and Chaos, Real Racing 3, Asphalt 7 and more on my 16gb (really 9gb) S4! WOOT :) All games work perfectly and i have like 40 or 45 gigs left on my sd card and 3gb on my phone :)

Man i love root!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Can you flash a rom directly from external sd or do you have to move it to internal memory first?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChrisNee1988:
You can do it from the SD Card
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] oneandroidnut:
This. 32 gb should be the baseline anymore for high end android phones. The DNA failed because of this and battery I believe but at least an sdcard is there which is great but I'd love to see 32 or 64 + sdcard but not likely since even developer version is only 16 gb
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Alowbman:
Just read on Phandroid that Samsung has announced they will include app to SD in a new update for the S4 among other fixes.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Simplexletalis:
Coming from an HTC Evo 4G and HTC evo 4G Shift with 512 mb useable internal mermory.

16 gb is enough for me. I will install apps there and use SD card for everything else. 2 years down the road though i bet i will be eating my words...

How ever i am rooted and will look into the options there as well.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
With this update, my guess is forget about a 32gb model ever being released. I will stick with my S3, since would rather have my apps in internal storage and media in the external. There is still a net loss of 15gb of storage with the S4.

BTW, people keep saying 16gb is enough, but you really have half of that to use.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] platinumrims:
Was just about to post. I saw on twitter where supposedly samsung is adding a feature in the next update to move apps to the SD card and supposedly it gives back almost a gig of memory.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
Half of 16gb is enough. :cool:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pcsperson:
International LTE Galaxy S4s get first major software update, starting with unlocked German devices

But the biggest addition for S4 owners might be reintroduction of apps-to-SD card support.

This is hopeful!

http://t.co/DE0OJiyW6q
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] oneandroidnut:
Does anybody else feel that the 9.15 gb to 9.23 gb a comical storage upgrade? I mean what is that one 13 mp photo if that??
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidrev71:
There is an app GL to SD(root) that will let you move games and apps to sd card. I'm not sure if this had been mentioned yet or not.

Welcome to xda oneandroidnut.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] berfles:
It's almost 82MB, it isn't much, but it's a lot more than a single 13MP picture.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] oneandroidnut:
Yeah I know so not thrilled about gaining that much but the other features in update looks promising
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
UB funny :)