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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
you guys are insatiable. you whine and moan incessantly about not having enough internal storage space for apps. the manufacturer addresses the issue by providing a solution which is

better than increasing internal storage

and you still complain? wow....

this better than increasing internal storage because it gives you even MORE OPTIONS at a lower cost. you can increase your app storage to 64gb at a lower cost than buying a 32gb model. i don't understand it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] oneandroidnut:
82 mb mine that isn't much and for the difference of $199 for 16 gb & $249 for 32 gb can't buy a 64 gb class 10 card for that and you cannot buy that 32 gb back unless they have a 128 gb sdcard or 96 gb that none of us know of.

On a side note I did remove a good amount of bloat and got internal up to almost 7 gb
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
i honestly couldn't make much sense of what you said, but you can get a 64gb class 10 sd card on amazon for $50 and a 32gb card for about $25. that means for the same price of a 32gb s4 i can have a "73gb" s4 (9gb internal plus 64gb sd). or a "41gb" s4 (9gb internal plus 32gb sd) for less than a 32gb s4. how is that not better?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Or, offer a 32GB version so people can make the choice themselves, rather than hope devs break ranks with Android team on putting apps 2 sd. Android team removed it for reasons: Stability, hardware fragmentation, customers swapping cards and then complaining about apps not working and using cheap cards.

I would rather have a 32GB version so all app data stays STABLE on the device and use the sd for media and allow stable card swaps. The current proposed update apparently does not mean they are allowing all apps to move to sd, but IF the dev for the app puts the option in an app. Why? Because Android killed the feature in the OS framework. Any global solution will have drawbacks as a result.

Also, a 32GB option provides a net of 15GB more storage.

Due to the immense interest these threads have and complaints at stores, it shows the prudent thing to have done was offer a 32GB at launch- just like the S3. Funny how giving the consumer the choice tends to have the best overall results. Do you not appreciate they are putting a feature REMOVED due to a lot of problems by the OS dev team? They are fixing a problem WITH a problem. Even if just 30% use the feature, this will not end well for tech support costs- one of the reasons it was removed, BTW.

Added: I hope Samsung found a semi-stable way to allow apps 2 sd like the old way in app management, since waiting for devs to change apps will be hit and miss. The stability issues are due to disconnects and cheap or slow sd cards.

Added 2: I like the word Insatiable. Wasn't that a movie? :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cell128:
You sir must be either drunk or have a terrible terrible keyboard....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Asmodian3:
I always find it funny when people try to tell me I don't need the space.

I want a 64GB device, I am willing to pay for it, Samsung made it (or at least designed it?), why can I not buy it? If you don't need the space, don't buy it, it isn't like we want to get rid of the 16GB model. Why do you care if I want a 32/64GB one?

128GB total is better than 80GB. I don't care if we can move apps or not.

Sure it isn't a deal breaker (I am a happy owner of a 16GB S4) but I can still be annoyed by Verizon's lack of the option. I was really looking forward to having 128GB in my phone. :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] oneandroidnut:
This.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Dissertations rock!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
not as much as the s4! besides, mine was only a paragraph or two longer than yours. lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Sales of the S4 have been announced as less than expected. This fits that both Best Buy and Verizon report plenty of inventory. Well, my buds mentioned it.

Maybe this will force Verizon to offer bigger sizes to help sales.... I was also told the storage issue has been a topic brought up by current owners and some customers.

Teeny tiny chance of a 32, perhaps??
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AliceBToklas:
Well, to each their own. I already have ~50GB just of music on my SD card. Of course, that's a number that only increases over time. I actually am hoping for 128GB cards to be released. I covet that storage for my music and pictures only - well and nandroids. I want everything else to fit in the internal memory.

We all have different needs and uses and I'm still holding out. Although I perfectly understand that the current offerings work well for very many people. In fact, I may opt for the 16GB version if there is nothing more coming along this summer.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Nah, what they lose in sales they will triple in cloud data usage. This is a carefully planned effort to increase data revenues
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sytech55:
Everything I've read or heard says, "No 32GB storage for phone".

I just bought a 64GB card and slapped it in.

Heard in some other carriers about a "update" that allows app storage on external SD card.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xikongapanda:
hi last post
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
source? everything i've seen says it's their best selling smart phone to date. even outpacing the ip5. that will likely change when apple makes their announcements though.

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with apps to sd all your storage space is kind of like internal storage. kind of like a partitioned hard drive. i want 128gb card too, but only at a reasonable price. it seems the complaints about app storage space have been addressed by samsung with apps to sd. but there's always a way to move the goal posts on the the argument i guess. anyway, more storage is never a bad thing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
and will game graphics really be as fast from the sd? Nandroids will then have to grab apps from sd whichbtakes longer too
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AliceBToklas:
I agree that the new update (when, or if, it comes to Verizon) is a good step.

Still...

I REALLY want 64GB internal storage and 128GB SD. I've learned I can never have too much storage. No matter the device, it always ends up being a limitation on almost everything I've ever had - including work laptops.

I admit that I'm holding out hoping (in vain?) for what I want. Fortunately, I have a great deal of patience but my HTC Inc2 is very long in the tooth.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] halloween240:
64 gig SD works okay, it is annoying moving downloads and apps over all the time. A 32 gig internal storage model would be nice
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I wonder if the missed S4 sales projections will compel Verizon to offer a 32gb model now. Per Best Buy and Verizon folks, sales for them are not what was expected either. I heard that a few days before the announcement today.

As far as the apps2sd update, it only moves the app core and not the data. This means it will not really help much with saving app space. Example is Asphalt 7 to name one of many:

4mb apk and 1.7gb data. Which would you rather have moved to sd?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Repeating this over and over again won't male it true. Provide a source or move on.

What Ive seen - Analysts have concerns that the introduction of so many s4 variants (active, zoom, mini) so quickly indicates slow sales and/or may cannibalize S4 sales. Samsung's stock took a hit from these analyses.

Speculation and more speculation.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Hey, I can dream of unicorns (32gb S4) :)

And I will reiterate after being an analyst for years and a materials manager for a very large company. For reference, I just attended a seminar at Cincinnati University on behalf of my company regarding data analysis, so at least know what I am talking about in concept at least. I guess...... I have no delusions of being very smart. Especially after the seminar, I feel inadequate.

They are basing the core of their Samsung assertions on the amount off sell in to channels verses the estimated sell through. The results suggest slower sales and surplus inventory (for now). This will be remedied if Samsung slows down some on channel load.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
You can always hope... Although you may be waiting a while... I'm quite enjoying my 16 GB with a Samsung 64 GB c10 UHS-1.

However I haven't seen any of the analysis being based on supply channels or things like that though. Using GoogleNews-Fu and going back through sources it all seems to come back to the S4 variants as the cause of speculation.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
That is the point. You can not Google the data since it costs money to acquire from analysts/data miners. They even give you a fancy report with pretty Power Point slides that show estimated trends, real data trends and market share by product segment. Ditto for sell in and sell through estimates, along with correlating trend lines.

This stuff ain't free and there are a few companies that provide this data as their business model. Consultation work too and marketing analysis, customers surveys etc.

We pay more money than we like for this type of data, but is a cost of business and a lot cheaper than having staff in house. We have a few folks doing this but for our own strategic plans.

Edit: There are a lot more than a few, but the company I am with only use a few for industry and third party assessment of our own business.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
looks like you're trying to use analyst speculation on s4 sales as some sort of referendum on samsung. maybe their stock took a hit because they aren't selling the 32gb on verizon? lol. i don't think so. everyone knows the next iphone is coming or will likely be announced by 3rd qtr. that is sure to impact sales. the s4 has sold well and will continue to. it's a great phone. potentially missing a sales target won't be because of apps to sd or no 32gb. let's be clear on that part at least.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
You never know. There is a petition going...... :rolleyes:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
More remedial than that. I just want Verizon to offer a 32gb like they did with the S3 is all. It was about ten percent of their total sales, so ten points margin on a device selling under projections, if we assume those people are holding out (sans the ones that fell for app to sd BS). The "fix" is confirmed and only helps for non data apk files, so people that would have problems still will, and no harm no foul for those that would not have in the first place. From a practical standpoint, pointless fix for most.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
you're still incorrectly assuming the s4 is SPECULATED to sell under projection as a result of no 32gb. which would be incorrect as mentioned previously. you're also assuming the 10 percent of people who bought the 32gb s3 actually needed the 32gb s3. a lot of those people probably realized they didn't need to spend the extra money on the 32gb.

again, you're trying to use speculated sales projections as way of saying the lack of 32gb is the reason why. that may fit your narrative for this particular thread discussion, but the analyst speculation for the reason why sales could miss projections do not back up the "no 32gb as the reason" why narrative. simple as that. sales are speculated to be lower because of other market factors, not because of limited variation in storage size for the phone.

if verizon releases a 32gb version it probably will be closer to 3rd qtr. i would have purchased the 32gb version easily over the 16gb if it was available, mainly because i agree you can have never too much storage. patience is the key for those who really need the 32gb version. i know that's easier said than done though. gamers are an impatient bunch. ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I never said that, but hoping the missed sales estimates open options to gain sales by adding other options that were around for the previous model.

Nothing more or less. Seems there is very little chance of one releasing, but still a chance until they say publicly, "hell no".
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
i see. it did seem out of place for you to mention it in this discussion since analyst sales speculation has absolutely nothing to do with availability of 32gb s4.

i still think there is a strong possibility of a 32gb s4 releasing, just not as soon as some want it. when/if it does release verizon just might drop the price of the 16gb and sell the 32gb at the current price. kinda like what happened with the nexus 7. i was one of the lucky people that waited until the 32gb n7 came out and got it at the same price the 16gb was released at. lots of people were chafed about it. i won't be mad when/if a 32gb version is released though. biggest difference being that the s4 has sd card capability and the n7 does not. i would not purchase a 16gb n7, so i can kind of see (just a little bit) why some people might not want a 16gb s4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Yes, but assuming sales actually are low, it seems that the activ/zoom/mini are the variants they are introducing with the hope of boosting sales, rather than the 32GB
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rizwan5:
32?

more like 26 gb
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
A little under 25GB, actually on the ATT version. Almost 27GB on the S3 out of box from VZW.

Mega bloat. IF an 32GB S4 does come out, it will be the first time I root sinc the Razr. S3 has always worked fine, up until the crappy update the S3 just got that VZW stopped after most of us already got it.... Great quality control! Winning!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rizwan5:
maybe

i had 26 on s3 vzw
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
Got yesterday a nice list of 5 emails of the most powerful people in Samsung. One of it is the president. Check if the emails are real and it seems like are 100% real and working (@samsung.com and [MENTION=419115]sea[/MENTION].samsung.com). Send an email and used a tracking service, so I should know when they open the email. I wrote about our frustration and I linked to the petition I opened.

I'm curious if they will read and answer. I will keep sending emails to them and if they read and no answer, I will make their emails public and send emails to the petition signers to spam those Samsung people.

I requested them a release or at least an ETA (if will be released) of the S4 32GB and 64GB, saying them that we will be happy even with the 32GB.

I'll keep you guys informed.

LE: Here we go....one of them opened the email. Reading time shows that either the tracking is not working good, those people are using POP (Thunderbird?) or he just didn't read the email. But it's a start however :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pcsperson:
If sales are low, Verizon may look at it as a lack of interest in the phone. Then they may not worry about bringing a bigger 32GB model to market.

Send from a Galaxy Note 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I think it is futile. HTC One and the iPhone 5s are now in the their view. As long as aggregate sales trends fit their plan for this product segment, they will not add a 32GB. Simple issue being: If their bonus targets are secure- do NOT rock the boat- They really do think this way, if folks are doubting this. Verizon leadership are arrogant, secretive and consider their operations (sales staff) not much better than Gamestop treats their staff (that is "bad" in plain English). Their goal is two levels: Their bonus targets and value to shareholders- in that order (and usually mutually inclusive, via sandbagged targets).

IF a 32Gb is released, it will be a surprise to say the least. The email that started the near false hope actually has a history the OP of that email shared with me in an IM (to avoid his email being in a public thread):

1. Emails were sent to the VP Tami Erwin and her boss, plus one other person (maybe another lower level in chain).

2. The boss forwarded to Tami Erwin. Tami responded with an oddly (for a VP) worded note that said they WOULD sell the 32GB.

3. The OP then got an email from another from Verzion saying they would NOT sell the 32GB.

4. The OP forwarded that to everybody again pointing out the contradiction.

5. The OP then got another email saying they probably would.

Looks like a bunch of rash half-thought responses that have not been backed up by any public confirmation. I would not expect a 32GB to be released by Verizon, especially now that they can back apps 2 sd retorts up, with accuracy now in the coming update. Of course, for gamers or people that use the media centric social cloud apps, the update will not help them much at all (all data stays in the internal storage).

Seems a closed case, IMO.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
My email was 8 times read by 5 people. One of them read the email using Verizon Wireless in NY. Let's hoping people, if 32gb will not be available on Verizon at least unlocked will be nice to have it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
wow. that's a very childish and immature threat imo. and i thought it was verizon's call on when to carry the 32gb version. if they tell samsung they want it i'm sure they'll get it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
It's not. They think people are not interested in 32GB version. Email from people wanting the 32GB version will show them there is enough interest. It's not a threat.

And no...it's not Verizon choice. Not everyone is interested in Verizon or any other carriers. There are people wanting the unlocked 32gb, from Amazon, for example, and there is nowhere to buy this device. With the huge request imagine how many will buy if a store have it. Do you think retailers are that idiot to not try requesting them ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChapterOmega:
Apps to SD (soon to be updated?)

Hopefully we will get the firmware update in the works allowing us to transfer apps to sd, I have a 64 gb card for my media files and if I could move the really big apps to the card this will alleviate alot of the storage issue I think.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
spamming someone for not offering a product you want is immature and childish. if your intent is to demonstrate interest, then isn't that what your petition is for? and it is the carriers or retailers choice to place orders for equipment, so your efforts are misplaced. samsung can make as many phones as they want, but they can't force retailers to order them or carry them. i'm sure blackberry wishes it were that way though. lol.

a few hundred or even a few thousand signatures would hardly qualify as a huge request. especially when decision makers have already seen millions sold. they're thinking about the next products in the pipeline by now. perhaps you should too instead of spamming people who can't change what's making you.

btw have you ever invested this much time and effort into more valiant causes than cell phones? the carriers are selling all the information they collect on your cell phone usage and the gov is recording and tracking everything you do on the cell anyway. perhaps you should start a petition on on prism instead of the 32gb s4. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Verizon is one of Samsung's biggest partners on the planet. If they wanted a 32, they would have got at least a launch allocation like At&t.

This is all Verizon. If you want to email a lot, send them to VP Tami Erwin and others in their leadership. Based on her position and staff, she probably had significant input in the decision not to carry the 32 in the first place.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
I don't care what you think. Probably you are one of those frustrated people who bought the 16gb version because couldn't resist to wait a bit more and if Samsung will release the 32gb now you will be pissed. Petition is not a real count for the number of people who wish the 32gb version. Even 500 people multiplied with minimum $500 it's a fortune and Samsung wouldn't miss that.

Related with the "spying stuff", I think Android and Google spy you more than your carrier, so you should move to a Nokia 5510 or something similar...or better...don't buy a phones if you want to be stuff. I'm not in US and my carrier is not that ****ed as those in US and I don't care about that. It's a free world...if you want open a petition on your own.

PS. My last answer to off-topic
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Focus your email effort on Verizon. They deserve the focus.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I should know today on if Verizon will carry the S4 32gb. My corporate bud is part of the regional training team for their stores and the Samsung (and a few others) rep is supposed to be their today. A direct report to The VP that ignited apparent false hope will be there too.

My bud is going to ask and confirm, since they are discussing the product roadmap. He has asked several times already, but the answer so far has been "no current plans". Today are the folks that would know, since product roadmap training.

I think the answer is probably No, since the results so far seem to tell that. I mentioned the email and provided a link. This is going to be brought up to the VP direct report.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
I hope we never find out. Just so this thread never dies. It is very entertaining.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] equake:
You should ask also when the developer edition will be released...

My 2 cents
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Since those will not be sold directly by Verizon, they probably care less than usual. I should know by about 4est on the mythical 32 model.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jadecamaro:
Since I am stuck with the 16 GB model ... it makes storage interesting. Too bad we didn't have options at launch.

Sent from my Synergy Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
LOL. these guys would go nutzo if they don't get their answer.

somehow i don't think the answer will matter though. if yes, they will complain. if no, they will complain. the only thing we know for sure is that some people will never be satisfied regardless of the outcome.

don't spam me bro!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Yes it does...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
lol, that is kind of like that IRS leader who did a speech to exonerate herself from all wrong and then pleaded the Fifth. Classic!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
If you have older apps and mainly games with no data files, the Samsung update will help some. If you have some of the newer apps and games that have small apk files and big data files, it will buy a little bit more time. Not much, but some.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] zanktank:
I currently have 12gb of "system data" on my GS3.. No way a GS4 is going to be satisfactory
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Yeah I couldnt care less about the update... As my screenshot shows... 18GB of app data. Still 2GB free. No apks moved to SD.

Why would anyone want to move the apks themselves to the slower external storage when they hardly take up space anyway? App2sd is not a good thing.

Just link /android/obb to the sdcard... Never worry about storage again.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AliceBToklas:
Well, did you get any new information?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
He did not call back last night.

Update:

We just spoke. The 32 was on their pre sales list, but is off it now. There are tentative plans to carry it. The unknown is why removed from the list. This either means they changed their mind, or it will be launched in the next few weeks. The only known is Verizon has not stated they will not carry it and info suggests it now exists in their system, in some form at least.

This is the most positive news so far. The email was brought up to, but no feedback on it yet.