yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] k8108:
I've been trying it for the last couple of days. It has potential, and I like the pull down words, but I spend more time looking for the words. Swift key is definitely faster
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Kevin Goot:
Yeah you're right
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] sumitk:
I happen to currently have 2 PCs at home and 3 at my workplace. So I'm hitting hard against the 2-PC limit for syncing using ActiveSync. Any way to be able to sync to more than 2 PCs? Some registry setting?
[HTC One X] VitanyLTD:
As the title says,

is this possible yet (or is anyone working on this??)

Haven't found anything about this (just some old topics from 2012.)

>edit: If not, is a root without htcdev possible?

- Matt
[HTC One X] vin4yak:
Nope, you need to unlock bootloader first to gain root access to your phone!

To do that, you need the unlock_code.bin file from htcdev.com

I don't think it's possible to do it any other way :rolleyes:
[HTC One X] srvricky:
I'm not able to unlock from HTCdev.com

I don't know what is the problem but I'm not getting the key while unlocking the phone.I have unlocked several devices in past 2 yrs & experienced enough to understand what i'm doing.

Belive me I've tried every method they've given,even the tool for htc did not work.My s3,note 2 , previous nexus s ,galaxy s2,optimus all the devices i've unlocked & used custom roms..but not this one :confused:
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] waxworkz:
i need to ppick up a new oem batt cover for a note 2 from t mobile in titanium grey. can any one suggest a good, reliable, not too expensive source? i've looked ono amazon but i think most are cheap plastic knock offs and i dont want any reception issues. i need it asap thanks guys.

oh a local guy has one but wants $35 i think thats a bit much??
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] lovekeiiy:
Amazon is probably your best alternative source. The cheap plastic is fine for radio reception since plastic does not interfere with radio reception The issue with the cheapy covers, it may not include the NFC chip/receiver that the OEM has. The NFC antenna is not in the phone or battery, but on the cover for the GN2.

If you don't use NFC, then it's not an issue.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Optimistic Pessimist:
eTradeSupply has them http://www.etradesupply.com/oem-samsung-galaxy-note-ii-sgh-t889-battery-door.html

Bought my battery cover for the N7105 from them.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] waxworkz:
Does that one have the nfc provisions?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vinnyj85:
Ebay got one for $8
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] You_got_owned123:
I got one from ebay for $5.99 with shipping and NFC..front China but was rather quick shipping. Quality for mine was same, or even better than stock it seemed like. That was the cheapest. http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=251212475278&index=5&nav=SEARCH&nid=42792111337 but there are other alternatives for like around $20

The thing about Etrade supplies is that charge like $20 for shipping..
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] waxworkz:
found one on ebay for $14 but not sure if it has ncf functionality, says its oem tmobile piece?? heres the link, http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-T-M...t=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&hash=item2c6e057371

what do you think?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] webdave:
I've ordered 5 of them so far from Amazon/Ebay. Only 1 has been authentic. Most of them are knock-offs with bad paint jobs.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] XxLostSoulxX:
Ebay sucks I am not sure why people still go to Ebay it's ridiculous about 75 percent of the crap that is on there is knock offs and fakes
[General Accessories] katrais:
would anyone reccomend using Beats by Dr. Dre for working out? I wouldnt, they wont stay on your head
[General Accessories] G1_enthusiast:
...is this a question or a review?

I use the motorola flex HD S11 or whatever its call...works great for me. Beats is overrated rather save for a Bose or if i really wanna be fancy go for shure or Sennheiser.
[General Accessories] katrais:
welll..

im not exactly sure, but since were on the topic, you prefer bose over beats? I'm curious why
[General Accessories] G1_enthusiast:
Clarity, crisp music. Beats over exagerate the Beats making it sound...mehh, not as crisp, sound muddy at time.
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
Beats, Bose, Skullcandy, any "over-hyped" brand are not worth it.

You can get much better sound for less money.

Beats, for example, have bloated bass that muddies out the other ranges. My guide goes into greater detail, but before buying any headphone, you should consider things like budget and musical preference first. Don't just buy Beats because of the look and hype.

-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb

[Guide] Headphone/Earphone Buying
[General Accessories] katrais:
ok, so i have an hp pavilion m6 with beats audio, would it be a good choice to buy beats for that reason, or just go with a pair of skullcandys
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
Once you fall in love with audio, you learn it's not that simple.

First off, I'd recommend to not buy Beats, Bose or Skullcandy.

How much do you want to spend?

Do you ever listen to music on your phone (where a mic/buttons might matter)?

What music do you listen to?

With those answers, I think I can give some good recommendations.

-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb

[Guide] Headphone/Earphone Buying
[General Accessories] katrais:
i love music and produce as well as compose but i never spent over $20 on a pair of headphones

I'd be willing to spend about 100

my phone is my sole listening device

i listen to mostly hiphop, dubstep, and house
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
Shure SE215

Audio Technica CKS77

Just off the top of my head. I know I'm forgetting plenty of other equally great choices. If you read through the replies in my guide vvv you'll see a few other choices.

-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb

[Guide] Headphone/Earphone Buying
[General Accessories] katrais:
what are your suggestions for over ear headphones?
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
Ahhh, on-ears are not my usual forte, and I'm much less researched on those.

However, V-Moda M80 gets reviewed well, as does JVC HA-S500. I'm not sure how durable they are, but I know of at least one person who snowboards with his V-Moda M100.

As M80 and M100 are over budget, perhaps Crossfade LP should be looked at.

For working out, though, on-ears are likely to fall off more often than IEMs.

-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb

[Guide] Headphone/Earphone Buying
[General Accessories] pixel7474:
other reasonable priced ones out there

Beats for working out? Sounds like a bit much. You can get some decent ones for working out for a lower price, that you wouldn't be as bummed about when a weight falls on them and breaks them on accident.
[General Accessories] StrayS2K:
I give my Sennheiser hd280 pros to kids with Beats by Dre and their fathers walk away feeling ripped off.

I'll forgive Dre for such a nonsense product for bringing us others like Em :highfive:
[General Accessories] ezwalker63:
I wouldn't waste the money... Beats By Dre are way overpriced!
[General Accessories] abarney:
Beats are okay headphones, I'm not sure I'd go with them personally, as there are much better options out there for much cheaper.
[General Accessories] van7eca:
beat make the sound louder
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] comscier:
Hi,

I am trying to figure out (tried searching the forums), why doesn't the phone gives me any notification when battery fully charged.

Running stock, with no cwm recovery, no root. (Just restored it yesterday with odin. Previous rom: CM10.1 (May 18th) nighly)

I tried a couple of times deliberately charge at 90%... and an hour later... no sign of notification...

turn the screen on... lock screen shows charged.

Any insight?

Detail:

Stock 4.1.2

N7000XXLSO

Kernel: 3.0.31-1042383

Build: JZO54K.N7000ZSLO2
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] majdinj:
ensure clean installation [wipe everything (system, preload, data, cache, dalvik cache)]; then flash the official firmware

PS: don't wipe on stock kernel - BRICK CAUTION; always wipe on custom safe kernel with emmc erase disabled
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] worldix:
have you tried wipe battery stats?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] comscier:
Tried manually wipe everything in cwm, still doesn't work

Anyways, I installed an third party app (noLed) as workaround.

Thanks for the help anyways.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] VIIRU§:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2277560

[DEV] (UPDATED)dsixda Unoffical Kitchen Support & Mounting Points(Linux Only)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] dsixda:
Official dsixda support here: ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2283070
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] iB4STiD:
ahh :) thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] VIIRU§:
Well there you have it the boss has spoken.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] KeeperOfThePizza:
Does anyone use the GPS often on AOSP ROMs? How well does it work for you? And what ROM are you using?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] KorGuy123:
Unofficial ParanoidAndroid no gps issues
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] KeeperOfThePizza:
No issues with the GPS getting a lock?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] CamFlawless:
Task's AOKP and no problems. No locking problems for me from a full wipe.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] xBeerdroiDx:
Zero issues on AOKP's 4.2.2 milestone and tasks latest. Boom
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] KeeperOfThePizza:
Sounds good. I've heard of issues with the GPS not being able to get locks, that's one of my main reasons i haven't been Able to leave touchwiz ROMs. Love aosp
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] bob13bob:
would appreciate any advice on this by those who've started to experiment.
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] Aetherhole:
You can easily disable all of the "T-Mobile" apps: T-Mobile My Account, T-Mobile Name ID, T-Mobile TV

I've also disabled TalkBack, Rescue, Polaris Office, News & Weather, Lookout Security,Kid Mode, Hangouts, Google Play Music, Google Play Movies & TV, Google Play Magazines.

As far as the HTC applications, I haven't began to disable any of them yet...
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] bob13bob:
Thanks for your post, I was able to disable some more apps
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] TrueYears:
Why google music?
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] bob13bob:
If you dont use it, I would disable it.
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] TrueYears:
yeah but you can uninstall google music

so why not uninstall that
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] Aetherhole:
I did uninstall it. Those were just a list of apps that I disabled or uninstalled.
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] TrueYears:
I don't see, "or uninstalled" anywhere here.

So whats wrong with Google Music?
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] Aetherhole:
Do semantics really matter? And does it really matter whether or not I said it in my original post or if I clarified in my next post that it was either disabled OR "uninstalled"? The point is these apps that I mentioned are no longer present blaring in my face whenever I access my phone.

What's wrong with Google Music? Nothing -- if you want to use it. Me, personally? Google Music is a subscription-based service and it is something that, to me, is not worth it's value monthly.
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] lojak29:
Actually I posted 3 weeks ago a complete thread and illustrated pics on freezing 82 system apps safely

Link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2255244
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] WildfireDEV:
Hi guys just wondering, i have the sudden want to S-OFF my phone but i want to check if my H-Boot version is compaible with the S-OFF method.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Apatche69:
If you have updated to ICS from the manufacturer you should be good to go. Even if you are still on GB there is an s-off kit for either version of android
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] WildfireDEV:
Do i have to be on a stock rom to s-off because there is no way for me to go back to stock rom using ruu.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rignfool:
The dev of the s-off process recommends it and will not help troubleshoot without it ..

But..

Homeslice managed to s-off without going back to stock...

FYI: I know he did so pre-CM10 so maybe a sense ROM?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] stoenitself:
I have some problem, I desperate want to S-OFF my phone. Is there easy way to do the S-OFF?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rignfool:
There is only the one proven method that I know of for this phone...

Do not be intimidated...

All the wire trick is... is finding a ground that causes a reboot in a different manner... and allows the exploit to run...

Be not afraid
[Motorola Droid Bionic] slave13:
I have a question hopefully someone can answer this. ok i want to update my phone since the new Verizon ota came out there is just one problem it doesn't let me it just keeps failing. i tried to unroot that didn't make a difference at all. i don't want to wipe my phone if i have to. can some one help me out .
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Sir_Eagle:
Since you're rooted if you deleted any apps you'll have to FXZ to get back to stock. All the bloatware apps need to be there for the update to work.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] slave13:
oh ok isn't there an file floating around that you can get rid of and bring back the bloat because clearly i need to use that file because i really dont want to have to totally wipe everything and i forgot FXZ whast's that?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Sir_Eagle:
Your best bet is to go HERE and get the latest HoB (House of Bionic). Use it to upgrade to JB. Just make sure all your pics, music, anything you want saved are on your SD card or saved too your pc. Going to JB you'll wipe the phone and that's best anyhow.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] voodoodaddy:
I realize Im probably in the minority, but JB made my phone total garbage. We so laggy and unresponsive it was nearly unusable, so I wouldnt recommend updating to JB. Finally after I had enough I rooted and went to liquidsmooth and its running very nicely now.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ldubs:
Voodoo did you try doing a FDR (factory data reset)? It has helped many people who had laggy phones after update.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] voodoodaddy:
I did everything everyone said to try, didnt help. Doesnt matter now, on liquidsmooth, way more customizable and runs super smooth. Or is is that liquidsmooth?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tatospeed:
Can anybody tell me how to root Plum mobile Link Tablet model Z600. and where to download rom
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnhyndman:
como puedo rootear mi tablet z600
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] NinjaDonkey:
Hi all...

Could some clever chappie confirm the modifications that I've done to the ROM below and let me know whether what I have done is correct, and that my device should be flashed withouth (too many) problems and work like a charm...

I've downloaded the iMate 1.72 ROM from here:

http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page423.html

I also downloaded the ROM off of the Orange UK site here:

http://web.orange.co.uk/story/sm_1047574.html

I used ER2003Edit to open the old ROM and extracted all the files from ms_.nbf to my HDD.

Using ER2003Edit, I opened up the new ms_.nbf ROM and removed:

3_networkname.CAB

I then added the following files to the new ms_.nbf ROM:

ClearTypeFonts.sa.CAB (nice ClearType fonts...!)

ClearVue233_WWE.sa.CAB

cttune.cpl.CAB

homepage_Notes_UK.CAB (not sure what this is for - any ideas?)

MIDI56.sa.CAB

Orange_network.sa.CAB

Orange_UK_customization0608.sa.CAB

OrangeUK_AP.sa.CAB

UKORGCustomize.CAB

The last four files I presume are all to do with setting the phone up with the correct settings for Orange - if not, could someone let me know what they are all for...

I didn't add one file as I thought it might be specific to the 1.66WWE ROM and that was:

MsSkinFix.sa.CAB

I have no idea what this does, but can try to guess from the filename what it does... Is this needed with the 1.72 ROM?

I also modified the startup splash screens to those of the Orange 1.66WE images.

I updated the config.txt file and is listed below:

EXEC:\Extended_ROM\TPDisable.exe

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Broadcast_WWE.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\CameraRC132_WWE_1.5.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\CallerIDRC12_WWE_1.5.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\ClearVue233_WWE.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\MIDI56.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\MMS1.6.0.14WWE.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\cttune.cpl.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\OrangeUK_AP.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Version_AKU1_16600.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\UKORGCustomize.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\frontlight_wavedev_dim.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\homepage_Notes_UK.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Orange_UK_customization0608.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Orange_network.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\MsSkinFix.sa.CAB

EXEC:\Extended_ROM\TPEnable.exe

RST: Reset

Right... now that's all out of the way... Could some clever person let me know the following:

1) Have I done this all correctly?

2) Will my device upgrade without any problems?

3) If I have problems, will re-flashing it again work (I had to flash mine twice when upgrading from the non-MMS ROM to the MMS enabled ROM)?

4) Is there anything else I have forgotten?

5) If all the above are ok, is anyone interested in trying out this ROM? - if so - PM me :)

Hopefully someone can help...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] edsub:
why do yu wnat to create a new ms_nbf file?

Just unhide/unlock the ExtROM and change it as you like!

I miss in you config.txt a cab named WWE......CAB. This file usually contains some settings you need.

Why didi you remove 3_networkname.cab? This file contains the correct network names of 3 operators that obviously are not in the 1.72 OS/radio ROM

If you do want to create a ms_.nbf, try to open the nbf using xda2nbf.exe

Using ER2003edit you might have corrupted the header!!!!

Use xda2nbf.exe too to update the checksum!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] johntheo:
Could I ask you a big favour please.

Could you post on here or send direct to me the following cab file you listed in your text:

ClearTypeFonts.sa.CAB (nice ClearType fonts...!)

ClearVue233_WWE.sa.CAB

cttune.cpl.CAB

homepage_Notes_UK.CAB (not sure what this is for - any ideas?)

MIDI56.sa.CAB

Orange_network.sa.CAB

Orange_UK_customization0608.sa.CAB

OrangeUK_AP.sa.CAB

UKORGCustomize.CAB

I have lost my orange settings when upgrading.

Many thanks,

Johntheo

email address johntheo@orange.net
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] NinjaDonkey:
I've currently got 1.66WWE ROM and want to upgrade to 1.72WWE - hence the need to get everything in the ms_nbf file first.

Sorry, I must've opened the wrong config.txt file..! Here's my updated one:

EXEC:\Extended_ROM\TPDisable.exe

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Broadcast_WWE.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\CallerIDB31_Hima2_WWE.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\CameraRC132_WWE_1.5.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\ClearTypeFonts.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\ClearVue233_WWE.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\cttune.cpl.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\homepage_Notes_UK.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\MIDI56.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\MMS1.6.0.14WWE.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\OEM_WWE_04042201.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Orange_network.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Orange_UK_customization0608.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\OrangeUK_AP.sa.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\UKORGCustomize.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\3_networkname.CAB

CAB: \Extended_ROM\Version_AKU2_172.sa.CAB

EXEC:\Extended_ROM\TPEnable.exe

RST: Reset

I removed it as I thought they were of no use to me as I'm using the phone in the UK... I've since added it to the ms_nbf file now.

Oh right... I've not searched on people having problems with ER2003Edit but I will do.

One last thing, what might this file do (as I'd left it out from my original post)...

frontlight_wavedev_dim.sa.CAB

Thanks in advance...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] anildahiya:
XDA II keeps on Hanging

Hi

I had upgraded to i - mate 1.72 wwe rom downloaded from i mate club in the month of April 2004. Every thing worked very fine. Now my i mate has started hanging, some times even hard and cold reboot also stops responding. At this time I have to remove my battery for about 10 sec. and replace i mate hard resets. I have even purchased another battery to check if it is a battery rpob. but same things are repeated with the new battery also. Please help me in resolving my prob. :roll:

Regards

anil
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] findus:
Your ROM is ace!

Just realised that a load of posts from this thread are part of what got lost. I downloaded the ROM you posted and have just set it up - it works really well, thank you so much, I have wanted 1.72 for so long and I don't think Orange will ever get themselves sorted and update it themselves. Nice work Ninjadonkey, thank you for your efforts! :D
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Guest:
One more comment.

Please look at the post by dcs on avoiding future country code errors because:

You seem to have used the iMate ms_.nbf file.

This will get you into trouble with next upgrade because the device the thinks it is an iMate (country-code set to CDL), where as you will assume it is an Orange.

Regaring Ext. Rom files (ms_.nbf) its always best to use the original (in your case Orange 1.66) one and just change all the files / other contents . . .
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] NinjaDonkey:
Yep, you will get that problem if you use that ROM and want to upgrade in future.

I have created a new ROM using the method dcs documented in his post which I could upload if needed.

As far as I know, there is not going to be another ROM upgrade for our device so that might negate the need to use the new ROM I've made.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] findus:
Just to check, NinjaDonkey, I noticed by checking the Extended ROM details in ERedit, that it was set to Orange, not i-mate, so does that still mean we won't be able to upgrade officially, or does that solve any country code issues? Not that I'm too bothered, I've read all dcs's stuff on sorting country code problems anyway and I'm sure I'll figure it out if I have to (in the unlikely event that Orange ever do release a 1.72 upgrade in the UK!) Thanks again for your hard work!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] NinjaDonkey:
As you've read the post by dcs, you'll know that EREdit only sets the operator code in one place - the place where the software looks. The other one is coded into the device (don't ask me how).

I had no problems using this ROM while I had it installed (about 2-3 weeks). The only problem I did have was re-flashing with a properly edited ROM (with both provider codes set to Orange). After I got the first country code error, I set the "software" provider code to CDL then tried flashing. I got the country error code, but as stated in dcs' post, just edit the country code in the rom to Orange (with EREdit) and it flashed fine.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] findus:
Out of interest, what ROM did you change to?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] NinjaDonkey:
I changed to the O2 1.72.187 (either 187 or 181 - the one without BlackBerry).

Can't see any difference between the OS ROM from O2 and i-Mate. The only differences are in the Extended ROM as far as I can tell...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sxizofrano:
Hello everyone,

I have HTC Sensation (normal) 4 months old and I have a problem with cpu temperature. I am trying to play any game or use an app or browse the web but in about 10-15 minutes CPU temperature goes over 50 oC and it restarts the phone.

Can anyone suggest me some solution?

I tried to change roms, change kernels, stock rom etc but nothing work.

Is there a way to check if the fan that phone has is working? Can I replace that fan?

Is there a cooler for android phones?

Please someon help me

Thanks in advance

sorry for my english
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MR98:
HTCs are known for this. Make sure that when you play the game, other apps are closed.

If this doesn't work, go back to your stock kernel and under clock it I.e use an app like setcpu to put its maximum CPU hz down. This should disallow the phone to work continually at its highest performance, thus cooling it down.

And no. Android phones don't have fans ;)