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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gee2012:
I sold my I9505 after a week. I think the software is badly optimized and it looks and feels like Samsung pulled a rush job on the S4 to keep up with the HTC One. It is very lagggy and buggy when opening apps, widgets and when gaming (Riptide and Temple Run 2 for example). The hardware is great but the software is crappy and i`am not going to pay 650 euro`s for a device that may or may not become better after a few updates. I`am back on the Nexus 4 and its fast as a bulllet and very responsive and kills the S4 atm in speed and smoothness. And the device gets way too hot, maybe 1.9 Ghz is a tad too high for the cpu. Just my 2 cents. I realy wanted to like the S4 (i also owned all previous Galaxy devices) but Samsung dropped the ball on the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bluspring00:
anyone know which version will be galaxy s4 with google stock android? the exynos one or the snapdragon?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] runedrune:
Snapdragon.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bluspring00:
Then I'll buy the Snapdragon version. Even I'll buy it with tw, in first second I'll put a stock android ROM .:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Sheeeshh. Well im getting my S4 either today or tomorrow, I came from the HTC One that I really like but I had to try the S4 to see which one I prefer. If I see things like you described i'll send it back without hesitation.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gee2012:
I hope you get a better device than me buddy :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
So do I but I just read a couple of threads now and it doesn't sound promising. Oh well, we'll see. I think it should be here today, it says delivery estimation for tomorrow but the phone is already in my area. Will let you know!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
I own both and frankly I will still keep 9500. In day to day use it still turned out to be better phone even with all the issues it has. Lasts longer, has better screen. Day light difference between screen quality. Not only the black are deeper on 9500, the screen looks different. Even when both phones are powered off, the panel on 9500 has deeper black colour. It looks like they are using different panels on 9505 and 9500. Can anyone look into this?

I thought it might just be my unit. So I went checking on web and in every comparison video you see on youtube comparing 9505 and 9500, you can actually observe what I am seeing.

And I am consistently getting 4+ hours on screen time on 9500. 9505 cant keep up with same usage. And the adreno 320 which is suppose to be technically superior is struggling in even some 2D games for some reason. I have seen this behaviour on my HTC One as well. I dont know what is the issue but both One and S600 powered SGS4 have issues playing even non taxing 3d and 2d games. Microstutter is very apparent with both of them where so called inferior GPU on 9500 sails through them with ease with butter smooth experience.

There is also definite difference in pictures produced by camera on both phone with 9500 producing images with better details. 9505 gives my aunt free botox by smoothing out wrinkles :p 9500 captures more details. But that could be down to firmware. But at the moment there is difference in picture quality.

It is such a shame that this Exynos has such issues. It could have been so much better, but even when it is not perfect, I would still take it over S600.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Thanks a lot for you input, I guess ill find out soon enough. I came from the One and I really liked it but I had to try the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Madawcisrich:
Well not exactly. First, it is not SG543 it is SGX544. There is a huge difference between 543 and 544.

Second, actually, except the GLBench(T Rex 2,7) and 3Dmark test(as we all know, is a Adreno chipset based benchmark, so it is normal that adreno 320 get a little better score), SGX544 performs better in every other benchmark and in game. I have both i9505 and i9500, I can tell you that there IS noticable difference in game.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calum96:
Most places on contract are shipping the i9505, and I like the fact of having the 4g for future proofing since I'm gonna be tied in to a 2 year contract so think I'm gonna go with that, been a great read :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
In same boat. I still have my One. But had to try SGS 4. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] runedrune:
SGX544MP3. People probably get confused because of the MP3 part. :p
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] machhho:
I9500 because it is faster and much more stable and regarding LTE , Samsung confirmed it that the International I9500 has LTE support .

http://bgr.com/2013/03/29/samsung-exynos-5-octa-lte-support-confirmed-403731/

http://www.phonearena.com/news/What...sung-Galaxy-S4s-Exynos-5-Octa-version_id41408
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mathieulh:
/me yawns....

No they did not. Yet again another assumption from someone who does not read and can't tell the difference between Samsung Mobile and Samsung Electronics, or a phone and an SOC...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] D™:
Has anybody seen this link - GsmArena
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] machhho:
I think that you are the one who doesn't read , next time if you want to reply to someone try to be more polite .
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deathnotice01:
Sorry buddy,

I9500 = NO LTE RADIO ON HARDWARE LEVEL

so that means i9500 will never have LTE since the hardware isint supported

Enviado desde un Samsung Galaxia S Cuatro LTE
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Your post loses all credibility when you talk about the phones having different screens when it's common knowledge it's one of the components that's identical on both devices. If you did notice a difference is not the hardware that is causing it, more likely the software version. It's known that the OTA updates have made a big difference to how the screen looks and performs, check out the screen issue thread.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
always someone blinded by loyalty to their device, ready to jump gun in every forum. Be it here or One.

All we know is the fact that screen is made by Samsung. We dont know if they are making screens in one factory or multiple factories located at multiple locations, even countries with different equipment. Or if there is something different in colour calibration done by Samsung in firmware.

With same mode selected, auto adjust tone enabled or disabled, there is difference between 9500 and 9505. Whatever the reason behind it, difference is there.

And you dont have to take my word for it. As I said in my post, search for videos. Lot of people wont realise it, but difference is there and it is clearly defined.

Example 1.

Look at screen tone, deep blacks, slightly different white shade.

Now you will say oh these two devices are set differently. '

So here is example 2. Factory reset phones at welcome screen.

Look at difference in contrast, shades of colour. One on the right is 9500 again with deeper blacks.

Even I thought it was just my eyes playing jokes with me in the beginning. But there is a difference. We see it when you put those two phones side by side.

You can watch both videos

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeRcKHF4bDc

and

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ_o6784tEg
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Blinded by loyalty? What are you babbling on about. I'm simply pointing out you're chest thumping claim about the I9500 screen being superior is based on nothing more than assumption. There are many hardware differences between these phones but the AMOLED panel isn't one of them. They're EXACTLY the same hardware and any perceived differences is the software the phone is running. The difference you're seeing there (and in the videos) would also be seen on a single device before and after a particular OTA update or ROM change, depending on what build the ROM is based on.

On a side note, without a filter application to change the RGB values of the screen, I cannot get the blacks on my I9505 to look anything like the picture you provided. It looks identical to the I9500 photograph.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oXunknownXo:
Apart from the screen protector on the SGH-I337, I've seen some faulty screens with that effect in some GT-I9505, so it is not related to the model chosen, just a faulty unit.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohican22:
I had the i9505 and now I have the i9500.

I confirm that the i9500 screen is more mixed, although black. The i9505 green to black screen.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Which means absolutely nothing. Some people don't seem to realise that they could have a single S4 of either model that could display huge differences in screen appearances with a simple OTA update.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohican22:
with the screen off, the i9500 is black black black.

with the screen off, the i9505 is dark green, not black black.

this is reality
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Strange, mine isn't and is perfectly black so I question the accuracy of this claim.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohican22:
when the phone is switched off, the screen i9505 is the same as my Galaxy Note and gs3 my wife. The i9500 is perfectly black, blacker than others.

I will not write the whole afternoon on this subject. This is not a problem, only those who have both models see the difference.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
So, to get this straight, the claim you're making is that a phone screen can only be discerned as being perfectly black if you have the perfect black of an I9500 sitting next to it? Hmmmm....right.

It's funny other people who own both devices haven't made more of this. Dare I say it, but perhaps your I9505 screen was faulty? Lucky you changed it, eh?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohican22:
if I had not had the two models, I would not have seen the difference.

But the i9500 uses more battery than the i9505. that's too bad. Samsung must quickly brings an updated exynos if I sell.

I'm with wanam 1.2 kernel 1.3.1 but it is still not great.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deathnotice01:
You people are color blind.

Why dafaq would a green be black?

Enviado desde un Samsung Galaxia S Cuatro LTE
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hinook:
Using I9505 myself, and so far I have zero complaints - the phone's a monster! :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
Geez,

I actually find it funny that people who actually have not seen both devices at the same time doubting others who have. And that too after posting evidence from two different sources.

And as [MENTION=3449101]mohican22[/MENTION] said, yes they look different even when screen is off. I said exact same thing 2 days ago in this thread : http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=41890105&postcount=55

You guys really need to listen or if you dont agree fine, but stop accusing other people of lying or being colour blind when they actually have they unit. I asked 2 days ago hoping someone with more knowledge can see if there is any way to determine which display we have (reference to batch or something else somewhere in the code or files on the phone ).

And how can all people conveniently have faulty model?

You are not seeing more regarding this because very few people have both model and you may still not realise this if you dont keep both phones side by side.

And you expect mainstream media talk about this? They dont give a $#!t about things like this. Most dont care. End users like you and me do. How many of the so called internet or mainstream media talked about different displays on HTC One? Or built quality issues of HTC One in the beginning? Nobody did until we had discussion on XDA forums which resulted in similar denial from lot of people in the beginning.

And as I said, stop bashing others or accusing others of anything until you see both the phones side by side. As I said it could me any of the many possible reasons causing this. But I doubt anything on the software front is responsible for this as devices look different even when they are off. Whatever the difference is has nothing to do with OTA or firmware. And I am not alone.

How can everyone on web who does the comparison side by side has exact same thing? I am not even saying that all 9500 have better panel than 9505. I think the panels are coming from different factories or different batches and they are different. Majority of the deep black panels seem to be on 9500. But what is for sure is that there are two distinct panels with different characteristics out there on our Galaxy S4s.

This is going to be picture barrage and my apologies for the same. Different people, different sources. Screen off and Screen ON as well. These are just few. There are many more out there. I have taken just examples which have uniform lighting in the videos or pictures. There plenty others with little worse quality and non professional videos/ photos showing different screens.

If you are happy with your I9505, good for you. But does that mean we are not suppose to post any findings that shows any negative traits or rather different traits than what you want to believe or see? Come on people. I am not here to bash any mode. I just posted my findings. Peace.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
I particularly like how the bezel surrounding the screen is also a lighter shade on the I9505 due to the viewing angle of the photographs and how the light hits the phones, this is especially noticeable in the 4th photograph and, along with software, would also make a difference to the tone of black on the screen in comparison. How convenient given the agenda....

Anyway, people could argue back and forth all day but the bottom line is this -- the display hardware on both the I9500 and I9505 is identical, and photographs don't prove anything as the software running on the phones are almost certainly different. You might not like to hear that any difference you perceive is caused by software but that is the truth of it. You say there are two distinct panels, I don't agree and any differences in appearance and characteristics isn't caused by hardware.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
3rd , 5th and 4th pictures are same set of phones. Yes, bezel is going to shine differently with how light hits it. But that does not mean display is not different. It is same set of phones as that in picture 3 and 5. Those are different angles showing exact same thing. There are more angles in that pocket now video. Go check it out. There is clear difference in how white and other colour shades are displayed.

I can post 10 more pictures like that including from my own units at any angle. Display hardware is suppose to be identical, it is almost never is when so many phones are made in such quantity which means there are always multiple sources, multiple factories churning out parts. Not to mention different batches.

And then there is this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md1pklaBv1A

Now it has opposite. Sprint version has better screen compared to 9500. Or rather a different panel showing different colours. Just goes to show that there are clearly different screens on different phones. And not everything is in favour of 9500 either. It is just that that is a trend as far as displays are concerned. You might have better display. Does not mean there are not different ones on different units.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohican22:
i9500 is blacker than i9505, I'm sure.

i9500 has another sensor photo i9505. There is a thread on xda. I checked the device codes and they are different. photos that I enlarged with photoshop proves. i9500 with photos are more detailed than those with i9505.

If the sensors photo are different sensors, why the screens could not be different ?

goodbye on this subject.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] harise100:
If you want to keep the phone for a longer time buy the Qualcomm version!

My old Xperia Neo has also a Qualcomm chip. It runs CM10 with a 3.4 kernel and runs scaringly smooth for a single core phone with 512 MB RAM. :D
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
I give up.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mathieulh:
I do own both devices and the screen look exactly the same. By the way, on the service documents (you can Google for these as I am not sure it is allowed to share those here) you can easily notice that the part number for the screen panel is the same on both I9500 and I9505, go figure...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
Yes, I downloaded service manual from moulnisky almost 20 days back. The part List No is same for front plate. But that only tells us that they are same spec and interchangeable. They even list camera module same when we have physical confirmation of different SKUs being used by Samsung for same part number.

I am not debating the fact that they are same spec screen. The reality on the ground is. There are lot of units out there which do not match. And there is drastic difference between the two. As I mentione in my previous post, there are 9505 out there with more vibrant high contrast screen and 9500 with little muted one as is the case in that video.

Some people are hell bent on dismissing this altogether saying every single screen is identical to every other screen on the product. And those who are different are defective. That is not the case. Too many of them out there for it to be a defect to have gone un noticed. That means either 1. They are using multiple facilities to make these screens and screens coming out of those different facilities are not exactly same or. 2. There is difference from batch to batch.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
In which case you surely accept your initial point about the I9500 screen is moot given that you're just as likely to have panels with different characteristics between two devices of the same model as you are between those that differ.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] titus1:
I didn't say that your question is irrelevant.

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
Not really. You are still more likely to see it other way around. I have literally seen 20 videos and 6 units in person and there is difference in screens with 9505 having muted screen. 4 ATT and 2 TMo ( I haven't seen any sprint or verizon model yet) All having the exact same issue with the screen. And that one 9500 being pre production model. But yes or is definitely a possibility. As frankly I can't be 100% accurate with the knowledge I have.

But it is more likely that snapdragon version and exynos versions are coming from different assembly line with one having more screens from one particular source and the other from different one.

There is no such thing as 100% certainty. At least not that we can determine. But there is a trend. Just too many examples out there favoring one side for it to be just plain coincidence. If that was the case the videos or units we got will average out and not be skewed so heavily in favour of one model.

Just for info, can you please share where your 9505 is made?

From my Galaxy S4, in your face.....
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sebarkh:
Calm down. Step back and realize what you are arguing about... Enjoy your devices. Now! :)

Sent with Samsung Galaxy S4 (GT I9505)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Comp1demon:
Do they make a 64GB version of the i9505?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tntgdh:
Am i reading all this right ? You guys are discussing about which phone has a blacker screen ? Really ????

Dudes... enjoy your phones and be happy. ...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] serius666:
I'm buying a i9500 unit and after read all the above i'm not sure if I made a right desition.

I read a lot of both and they always said that have better camera, and better sound.

I don't care about LTE.

Please continue writing about both phones. And enjoy your unit.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] btemtd:
Not where I am from Exynos I can get for $599
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jinosong:
The I9500 has a blacker screen. It's been widely discussed so let's drop the nonsense. Also, the I9500 has the A15 which blows everything out of the water at the moment. Even if we never get a fully optimized bigLITTLE, it's still the best performing phone on the planet. It'll beat the snot out of the HTC One which is based on an inferior Snapdragon 600 which can't even touch I9505.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaKTaiL:
It all comes down if you really need 4G or not.

Enviado de meu GT-I9505 usando o Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] btemtd:
Great , Congrats. Both are Excellent phones...

But

Better cameras?? that's debatable...

You may want to check this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=42032462#post42032462

Check the last comparisons

And lets not forget

the Exynos has newer firmware.... < Saying this I see some better pics with the S600

Even Sound, I doubt you will hear the difference with the normal human ear. I sure am not complaining about the sound, and I haven't seen anyone else either

Good luck with your new buy and enjoy!!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 9Lukas5:
The nonsense is to say the one has a blacker screen as the other one. Also it's unimportant for that question if they used different display panels. As the display is an AMOLED screen, it's just a software problem in terms of black.

L
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Well, thankfully you have come into the debate and pointed that out with such force. I'm now totally convinced and the numerous examples contrary to your claim can clearly be dismissed. If only you had been here sooner!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexisgt:
Tomorrow i will buy the S4 and i don't know yet, which version to choose..

No interest for the LTE feature.

What do you recommend guys?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tntgdh:
Dude if you don't care for the Lte and for the minor bugs of the cpu... go for the 9500
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EPICTROY:
Even gsmarena said that they liked the i9505 version better the octopus core one lol is a bit overrated too be honest.....snapdragon 800 processors are gonna destroy everything lol

---------- Post added at 02:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:03 AM ----------

Saids who????? The people who overated the i9500 from what I seen it doesn't even support openGL 3.0

---------- Post added at 02:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 AM ----------

http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930.php
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deppy:
3

I still suggest the I9505 since the chipset is Snapdragon. I will say that the 16GB went FAST on my phone.... I'm now wishing I bought one with bigger storage since it went so fast. I'll have to get it working to allow some apps on exteral storage.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calum96:
I've got the i9505 now, very happy with it!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N1NJATH3ORY:
What about the black levels on both devices, what are they like ? As i heard the i9500 offers deeper blacks ? Is there any truth too that ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] valentinrascu:
No. Same screen
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N1NJATH3ORY:
Do you own both devices ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chalid:
As every large manufacturer, Samsung uses different chip manufacturers and/or factories for the same components, so there is and always will be some fluctuations. That goes from the display too. I can promise you, that you get 5 different contrast and saturation levels when lining up 5 Galaxy S4s.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tanis64:
I think both versions are great!

After reading this on Sammobile i think the I9505 could be the better choice. But thats only my opinion!

mfg