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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
For a lot of folks, your economics point is valid, but not absolute. A whole LOT of games and apps do not work (or not stable) with apps 2sd- especially a lot of apps with big data files. Not to mention the process is inherently more unstable and no longer supported in Android framework, so a few more hoops to jump.

Yes, it works and some people will benefit, but others will not as much. Internal storage will always be more stable and almost always faster. Not to mention 15GB more total storage, regardless of card.

32GB is a better solution for some.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
$299... ouch. $150 premium over the 16gb version once you take the rebate into account. verizon might not sell many of these at that price, not to mention full retail. perhaps the price will drop in a few months though. at least the 32gb guys now have their cake, eat it! lol. no excuse to not hop onboard and enjoy the s4 awesomeness. :cool:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
That is the biggie. They have priced the 16 and 32 $50 higher than than the S3 was. Almost like they have priced it to fail ;)

I am not so sure I am getting this. My S3 32GB is working fine and have tested the S4 enough to not notice much practical improvement over S3 to warrant $400 (after BB trade in).

The display is better and the camera is, but not demonstrative enough for $400. Now, IF the S4 Snap 800 were to release (and a 32GB) with Verizon this fall, that would be. Faster chipset and lower fab process- including the data radios, which was needed for the higher speed "LTE". Contrary to other folks, I notice little if any speed improvement in games or emulators over the S3. I do notice it runs a little bit hotter than the S3. Games already play smooth on the S3, so not much to improve there. For current games at least. That said, if the S3 were 1080p as well, I expect the S3 would start to lag some compared to the S4.

Added: Based on the timing of this release, it (perhaps coincidentally) vaguely fits the three month exclusivity assertion that some AT&T folks made. Either that or Verizon felt a need to finally release it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Well that's largely untrue if you are including implementations such as foldermount in your assessment. "A whole lot" you say? I would LOVE to see those numbers :) I dont know how hacky samsung's implementation is, but there are no issues whatsoever with moving data files of large game assets to the SDcard. It wouldn't make any sense for there to be.

The only cause for 'not working' or 'not being stable' would be the fault of the implimentation and not the fault of having the files on the SDcard. With foldermount, according to the app the files are in the exact same place they should be. So where would there be instability or app failure?

Slower or longer loading times could be a side effect, yes, but that is largely dependent on the class of sdcard you purchase. The Samsung c10 UHD-1 chip I have (still cheaper than internal) has greater read/write speeds (actual in device, not pc which are much higher) than my Nexus 7 32GB (not the 16GB with trimming bug). Unsurprisingly, I have never experienced any slow downs or speed problems in apps with obb files linked to sd. Not having the apk itself on the sdcard probably helps avoid any small slowdowns as well.

Still, app2sd is pretty worthless compared to foldermount.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] chamberc:
Metallice:

Just remember, not everyone has a choice to have root access, and applications like Google Music cannot cache or store local music to the microSD card.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] senatortom:
I have plenty of room with the 16gb model and an SD card
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] CC268:
Guess I don't really understand the need for 32 GB...you guys must have a **** ton of apps
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
He is right for rooters, but wrong for non rooters.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
I never suggested anything contrary.

The point I was making is there is no inherent instability or app failure with moving apps or files to sd in any case.

Any issues would be due to issues or conplications in the method of transfer itself.

I dont see how thr google cache is relevant. Of course you cant move it without root. I never said you could.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] platinumrims:
Wow already. Much faster than I thought. I was originally told by the end of July it would be out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r3skyline:
Went in after work today, returned my 16GB and placed an order for the 32GB in white frost. It stated shipping by july 03.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
:laugh: You guys are funny. You made a big deal about them not releasing the 32GB model, and now that they do, you aren't sure you will get it. Were you expecting a different price?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Yes. The same price tiers as the S3, but seems Verizon did not intend on offering a 32GB, but for whatever reason changed their mind.

By default it was going to be higher since the 16 is priced as the 32 last year. I pay full price anyway and use the Best Buy trade in which makes the price about the same as a contract price without the two year. Catch is I need to wait for BB to get a 32GB. Assuming they do.

After finding out the 800 has the same fab process as the 600, I see no reason to wait on an 800 version (if ever from VZW), so will probably be getting the S4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
I see. It was just hopeful thinking that it would be equal to or lower than the 16GB price that was annouced a while back. At least it's only $50 more, not $100 like the iPhone's retail pricing. Their contract pricing structure makes complete sense though. It directly competes with the iPhone pricing. 16GB/$199, 32GB/$299.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] darwinosx:
Not according to Google who wants nothing to do with SD cards and urges manufacturers not to include them.

SD cards are slow

They are unreliable.

Many apps don't run well from them and you have to root to install an app which not every wants to do.

You can't even do Google Music from them.

You shouldn't have to spend more money than with other phones that come with 32 GB.

SD cards are not a solution.

The real solution is to either not bloat your os with features that don't work well and are gimmicky or make a decent amount of memory available to begin with.

But Samsung wants to save the few cents to add more memory, charge you more for higher amounts, and Verizon and the other carriers want you to use as much bandwidth as possible.

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Some weenie at Costco and at the Samsung booth told me today that you can put apps on the sd card when I asked of Verizon would have a 32 GB version. Not surprised at the booth sales droid saying that but someone who works for Samsung should know better.

People should complain instead of making excuses for Samsung and Verizon.

My 16 GB Verizon iPhone 5 has 13.5 GB free and my Nexus 4 has 12.5 GB free.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
that's not completely accurate. my 64gb sandisk sd card is both fast and reliable. SOME sd cards can be slow and unreliable, most usually the cheap ones off ebay.

not a solution for what? they're a perfect solution for storing media and docs.

a better solution is for developers who provide huge apps to provide the option for databases and such to be stored on the sd cards. that way consumers have a choice in how much they spend on a phone. most of the time the difference in cost between a 16gb and 32gb phone is more than the difference between buying a 16gb and a 64gb sd card. consumer wins by keeping more money in their pocket.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
Hey guys!

Please sign the petition, this is the only way to make our voice listened.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2282770

[Request] Petition Galaxy S4 32GB and 64GB
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Verizon offered 32gb at launch for the S3 and At&t have 32gb S4s in stock at stores. Seems Verizon is passing the buck and is adding to their deceptively bogus, "Add an sd card to expand the storage" scripted line to customers.

Seems they are at the lying stage, else they could simply say that they plan on carrying the 32 at a later date. They are quite simply milking customers with the 16 and created a scripted response for people that do not want the 16, but might fall for their BS. Semantics in this case = Lie.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
adding an sd card does expand storage though, so in that regard they're right.. it doesn't expand app storage, so in that regard they're wrong.

how are they milking customers? my 32gb galaxy nexus was about $50 more than my s4. s4 $199 and 32gb galaxy nexus $249. it's all about contracts to the carriers. ironically it cost me less and i have more storage with my s4 with 16gb of internal storage and 64gb sd card.

also the carriers don't profit on hardware since they don't charge customers full price for the device. it's subsidized by contract cost. it also doest impact their profit loss statement since device cost are capital expenditures.

customers wanting 32gb do deserve a straight answer, but verizon could be holding that close to their vest for a reason. who knows why. they're line about sd storage and apps does need to be corrected, but i'm not sure why google isn't more involved on this since verizon is misreprenting the functionality of google software.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I am a materials manager and own a big chunk of P&L accounts lines and also used to deal with contract manufacturers including HTC (way before they were as big as now) and many others. Though I have been out of (thankfully) global level consumer electronics for five years, the process is not much different now.

There are several ways that phones and other devices are accounted for including even a hybrid form of consignment where the inventory is on the suppliers books up until the final tier of distribution (different though depending on the country and their accounting practices and laws). The long and the short of it is VZW is focusing on one model and pricing accordingly. The money they get is revenue. Not selling the 32GB affords a pricing position that would be different if the 32GB was sold (more similar to AT&T's for their 16/32 offering). As far as rebates, you would be amazed how many people do not turn in their rebates and that also is accounted for by an accrual. The less rebates submitted for reimbursement, the more the P&L can be relieved of this assumed loss making the bottom line look even more black. This is ironic, considering Best Buy and a few others apply instant rebates (one way or another).

Simply put from a net standpoint to gross margin, they will make more profit by losing LESS money with the current S4 strategy. The bottom line and net present value for product segments are the rule. Verizon is "milking" customers by minimizing higher end devices and offering the basic S4 and are doing this since their install base is growing fine without a whole lot of premium devices. The antithesis of AT&T's situation, hence their better efforts with premium segment devices. They need customers now and are using the premium devices to both lure and keep premium customers. Verizon on the other hand is minimizing their investment in premium hardware since they are growing anyway. No need to lure people in with more premium segment devices. AT&T are feeding customers new devices and Verizon are milking theirs. It sucks as a customer, but I applaud their strategy as a business. It makes sense- for now.

One a side note: The other thing I was told was AT&T got the first allocations of 32GB devices and Verizon has too much hubris to admit this, hence the lack of information now. I side with the more cold and calculated business rationale ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
If I do not have any apps installed on my sd card can it switch it back and forth between moto razr maxx hd and gs4?

I do have photos set to go directly to sd card in razr. I assume I can do that with the gs4 as well?

I also plan to swap sim cards back and forth as well. Any problem there?

Why? I'm a phone freak and if I trade in or sell the razr I won't get half what I paid for it. I'd rather just keep it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Why switch? Better radios, build, battery life and more storage. The display and camera are better in the S4, but seems you are better off with the HD, depending on what things you value most on a device like this.

The chipset speed from a practical standpoint will not be noticed. That said, I am bugged by fixed navigation bars, so going from a functionally 4.3" display on the Razr to the true 5"display of the S4 is huge. I know the display is bigger than that in the Razr, but the navigation bar takes the space away for apps.

It all depends on what you value the most. I have the S3 and put up with the weaker data radios for the other attributes. I would get the S4 for the same reasons- if a 32 version is released.

My guess is the two common things we might here from current S4 owners once the new device pixie dust wears off is the radio reception or lack of storage space.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
The lack of storage space is not an issue unless I root... and even then I suspect I could save nandroids in the sd card. Most Samsung users have denied to me that their radios (4G/3G) reception is any worse than Motorola's. Of course most over at moto forum say nothing good about Samsung. I have no brand loyalty and don't really understand why anyone does but its out there. Many feel compelled to defend their brand. At any event u are saying my 4G/3G reception won't be as good in the Sammy? I known my moto has much better radios than my old tbolt but I've never owned a Samsung.

Thanks!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I owned the Razr and tested the HD. The S3 at least is significantly weaker, but noticed if in weaker signal areas. If in a good signal area, the S3 is fine. It is a battery sucking mess in weak signal areas. I turn the data radios off in those areas.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
short answer to your question is yes. you can set photos to go directly to the sim card on the s4. if the maxx uses a micro sim card, but if it does you can swap the sim between both phones to use either whenever you please.

i have a galaxy nexus and swap the micro sim between that and my s4. no problems with calls or data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Any improvement in S4 radios over S3? Are any of the developer radios (if there are any) better?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I got to test the S4 yesterday again for about an hour with more focus on the dBm signal. For people saying the S4 is much better than the S3, either they have new device pixie dust clouding their perception, or the S4 I tested is from a different batch than theirs. The signal seems functionally the same in medium to good signal areas. I did not get to go where I live to test known fringe areas, since not enough time and not my phone.

The S3 showed 1 to 3 dBm better signal than the S4, rather than the other way around. Seems the net result though is the S3 and S4 have the same reception. That is a bummer, since the S3 is a great device in medium to good signal areas, but an awful hot running battery sucking mess in weak signal areas. I turn my data radios off if in weak areas, but phone and text still works, so no problem for me.

The key things I came away from after three different tests over a few days: The S4 runs a little warmer than the S3, has the same reception, but the display and camera are IMO, AMAZING. The reception apparently being the same does not surprise me. I cringe whenever I look at the storage. 9GB out of box... No cramming my 20GB of apps (total showing on S3) in that. I guess relative to the S4, that would be about 22GB, due to the storage taken up on the S4 stock apps and OS image.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Thanks. I think you just saved me $650. My Motorola has very good reception and seldom runs hot... but when it does the battery does get sucked down fast. I am taking a course at a private university in New England and Thursday night during class my Razr Maxx HD dropped from 95% to 40% in two hours. I have no idea why but the phone actually overheated in my holster and I didn't notice. I hooked into wifi then because there was no security I shut it off but had a decent 4G signal. No idea what was going on. When I checked battery list in settings the screen and system had used up the battery, no app run amuck. My point is even with good radios and a huge battery Android phones sometimes seem to just do their own thing, run hot, and suck battery. I will have to look for an app to warn me of excessive battery use if this ever happens again.

I'll tell you one thing though... when I compare the screen of my droid to your s4 the sammy blows me away. Not sure I can resist. Trouble is I drive through low signal areas several times a day so the S4 will be hot all the time. That can't be good for the phone. The 16 gigs is enough for me because although I have over 100 apps none are games so I only use a few gigs. What disappoints me is that the os and bloat use up almost half of the ram. I was hoping for 1.5 gig of free ram. I often run right at the edge of maxing out the 800 megs in my maxx.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
It would be nice if their were an option to automatically put the data radios in a near sleep state when in weak signal areas. That way, no drain or heat build up and then operate again when a certain signal threshold is met.

I also tested MAMEreloaded with high cpu games like Dead or Alive+. The S4 was a tad faster than the S3, but still nowhere near playable. My iPad 4 remains the best device for higher cpu MAME games.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
You'd think Sammy tech would hack the Moto radios and copy whatever makes them better. Gotta admire their honesty for not doing it... I guess.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
Uhmmm, guys, the thread is about 32gb version of the S4, not about radio. So sign my petition and open other thread related with radio and signals :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
Sorry about that chief.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Well, there is apparently misinformation similarities on both. Verizon is misleading customers about storage space and new device pixie dust appears to be getting S4 users to say the S4 has a stronger radio than the S3 and equal to the HD Maxx. Still, probably far more chance the radio assertions by some is closer to correct than Verizon getting a 32gb S4. Dang.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] demlasjr:
Oh wait? Verizon is saying that? Those having the S4 doesn't seen any difference between the S3 and S4 radios. At least not in i9505

Verizon is misleading people exactly in the same way they do with the 16gb, saying that you can put a sdcsrd
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Nope. Verizon is pushing the misinformation on the sd card expansion and S4 users appear to be implying the S4 radio is much better than S3 and one at least mentioned it was equal to the HD Maxx. My tests suggest the same as the S3 and no way in heck it is as good as the HD Maxx.

Still, your point is correct that we should focus on the premise of the thread. Just wish Verizon would focus on being forthright with their customers, rather than joining J-Lo in "big announcements". Maybe that is why no 32gb. They needed the money for the flygirl.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] darwinosx:
The iPad 4 gpu is four times faster than anything else including the Nexus 10. Also better color and contrast since Samsung is too lazy and cheap to calibrate their screens.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] infestedpt:
batata moh s4 rulezz with 32gb s4 model
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Glimmer of hope for a 32GB!

Here is the link. I would be more confident in the info if it was an email to me directly:

http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...72-regarding-32gb-64gb-model.html#post2818660

The email is from a VP at Verizon that would know if one was releasing or not. If a legit email (again, no offense to the OP), this could mean we will see a 32GB at some point in the coming weeks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 299792458:
Drink the koolaid brutha, and buy some more apple cables so my dad can finally retire before the bottom drops out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
The iPad 4 is faster than the Nexus 10 (not 4X though) and the display is a little better. This is per Anandtech analysis, testing and my own comparison agrees, but that is JMO (on the display, since the chipset is fact).

The A6X chipset in an Android tablet with micro sd and 1080p would rock.

Tangent to the potential good news that a 32GB S4 is coming to Verizon some time (guessing) in June.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evocm7:
I can understand why people are a little bummed about the storage capacity, HOWEVER, I cannot see why it is a deal breaker. A close friend told me once about this place called the Internet and how you can buy anything on it and find it cheap. You can get a 64gb sd card for less than half of what Samsung would have charged to make a 32gb model.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
Wow! That's a very informative "close friend"! I have also have a "close friend" you told me that apps can't be loaded onto SD cards on the latest builds of android. He also said some people like to play videogames and now the latest games (NOVA 3, Batman, Chaos and Order) are all over 1gb and some over 2gb. Can't even load 5 of those before you use up the 9gb of space that Samsung gave us on the "16gb S4".

My "close friend" also said I should do my research before I act like a sarcastic a$$. Or better yet, I just shouldn't be a sarcastic a$$....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evocm7:
You do have a good point. I guess there are people that like to play big complex games on a phone. I don't understand why Google removed transferring apps to sd.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BzBz:
the irony...

hope you 32gb warriors get a verified answer soon. you're missing out on an awesome device. best out imo...especially after you add a 64gb card...for media (not games). lol

i will add that it's interesting how most people concerned about not loading the biggest games out there on their s4 have multiple other devices and even consoles they can use for hardcore gaming. i personally use my 32gb nexus 7 for hardcore gaming. my s4 has a bunch of the more reasonably sized games that aren't huge. i've got pretty much every app i want on my s4 and still have 5gb of room left for growth.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Wow, was your close friend also telling you could put apps on the SD card? Winning! ;) They are, at Verizon stores. Sad but true.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
i have the 16gb S4 already because not being able to load a few games is not a bigger negative than all the positives the S4 brings (1080p screen, small bezel, long lasting battery, powerful processor, latest android version, excellent camera, etc).

The point is it just sucks that Verizon or Samsung isn't making (or making enough) 32gb or 64gb Galaxies when they always say during initial announcements they will have all 3 versions.

Just because you game a certain way, doesn't mean that's the "best" or only way to game. I have a custom built PC to do "hardcover gaming", i have a 3DS so i can play Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, I have an ipad mini so i can play games from the Apple App Store, and I enjoy playing games on my android phone. They all have DIFFERENT games that are enjoyed in DIFFERENT ways. Just because i have a 7970 card in my PC that can run Crysis 3 on max settings at 60 fps doesn't mean that is the "only" or "best" way to enjoy videogames.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
There is an e-mail apparently from their VP that would know about the 32gb, but wondering on its validity given no further info from any other source beyond the current parrot of the same email.

Amazing how "something" can grow from perhaps nothing. Unless the something is nothing.