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[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
This processor will hold up over time.

What will happen is that for the duration,until Snapdragon 800 or Tegra 4 CPU based tablets are released, the Nexus 10 will continue to be in the "top spot" for 10" tablets performance wise. I predict that this will be another year. Why, Samsung just released their latest Note 10.1 and also the new Galaxy Tab 3 10.1. Next year will be the next Samsung release for tabs, they need to see returns on their current design work. This set the bar for the competitors, why use more costly Snapdragon 800 processors when 600 or even S4 are welcomed by consumers in low selling amounts? While Tegra 3 has been a great success, Google pulling back from it for possible Nexus 7 has the market full of OEM wins..... No, seems to only be the nVidia gaming console and ZTE a Chinese smartphone maker (could be a big win or an also ran).

Next year the Nexus 10 will move into the "solid performing mid-range" and likely stay here for a time. The reason is that the next "cutting edge" release will be another year later. Again, tab processors (excluding the Samsung range) seem to lag processor adoption in Smartphones (likely the cutting edge processors can only be produced fast enough for Smartphone makers and the allocation left for tabs is the prior year models, or value lined versions of the processors without 4G/LTE targeted solely for tabs like our Exynos 5 processor).

Two or more years out, it'll move into the value performers but be distinctive in that the screen resolution is much higher than any competing "value tabs".

So for the next four years, it'll hold up to one of the market ranges. At which time I'm sure you'll then be ready to upgrade from your "value tab" spot to the latest Nexus marvel.
[Nexus 10 General] romdroid.:
Is dual core future proof? Why did google chose dual core and not quad core?
[Nexus 10 General] :
The question of "future proof" is really kind of silly. Future proof for what? Everything? Daily use? The top-line A games? The rate at which apps consume additional resources is not going to spike tomorrow and suddenly make this chipset useless.

The straight answer is that the Exynos 5250 is a solid performer, and as one of the first A15 designs on the market, it will at the very least outlast every Android handset running an A9 or older design. When you pause and look at that, you'll find a lot of devices squarely in that category, few of which will enjoy the software support of a Nexus as long as this device will. You may not be able to run next year's "A-list" games at the "maximum" settings, but they will almost certainly be playable.

As for the second, Google and Samsung picked a dual core design because the A15 architecture, while much more efficient clock-for-clock (i.e. a 1.7GHz A15 will handily outperform a same-cored, same-clocked 1.7GHz A9) uses more power. The performance metrics showed that a dual core A15 will beat a quad-core A9 handily in the majority of use cases.

Number of cores and clock speed are very, very bad ways of judging a processor's performance, especially on mobile devices. The decision probably ultimately came down to power consumption vs. performance.
[Nexus 10 General] romdroid.:
Thanks for the good and adequate answer. How about storage? Is 16gb enough? 32gb is quite expensive where I live and on my current tablet I have 12gb storage left of 32. I am a bit worried
[Nexus 10 General] CWalkop:
Where do you live? I recommend getting the 32GB model, refurbished, on eBay. Link.

I live in Canada, so I had to get it shipped across the border by a third-party, but it was still way cheaper. I think 32GB will last you a lot longer than 16GB - but thats just my opinion.
[Nexus 10 General] :
Most of my tablets are 16GB devices, mainly because I use them primarily in areas where I have a strong network connection and can afford to leave my content on the cloud. Given that the Nexus 10 supports OTG, I've never been too worried for storage (since I have OTG drives as an option if needbe). That said, since internal storage isn't upgradable, go for as much as you can comfortably afford if you're big on local content and games.
[Nexus 10 General] romdroid.:
Is there a way to get around no 3g connectivity issue? Without using hotspot. I have a separate sim card for my xoom and I have unlimited data. If I switch to n10 I will lose this option and I was looking for dual sim option, magic sim for my note 2. Is someone using that?

I live in Sweden and I can't buy refurbished because of warranty issues. I would like to get it repairs asap if there is something wrong with it
[Nexus 10 General] :
The only Nexus tablet with native data support is the Nexus 7, sorry. I think a few people have had success with various wired modems over OTG or something, but that's not my area of expertise.
[Nexus 10 General] romdroid.:
I was thinking of this

http://www.magic-sim.com/

But maybe it's off topic
[Nexus 10 General] shimp208:
The dual core Exynos 5250 in the Nexus is still a plenty powerful for a device that is now 6-7 months old. Also keep in mind the Nexus 10's Exynos 5250 consists of two A15 cores compared to the quad A9 cores that were in any quad core SoC at the time. Two A15 cores will also out preform quad A9 cores in both real world usage and in benchmarks, keep in mind more cores isn't always better there are many other factors to consider such as platform architecture and other features. An article that is worth taking a look at is this in-depth performance comparison between dual core A15 with quad core A9.
[Nexus 10 General] springy:
I will say wait till 4.3 is out and hopefully new kernels and drivers plus an more efficient ROM will see this tablet fly. This was the first device with the new A15 chip so they would have learnt a lot of lesson along the way and hopefully a better device soon.
[Nexus 10 General] Serious_Beans:
Because nothing really takes advantage of a quad core on android. Things barely take advantage of dual core on Mac and windows too. The processor in the nexus 10 might not benchmark as high as the new processors but this tablet is fast and I can see it still being fast for the next version or two of android.
[Nexus 10 General] :
Technically no individual app has to explicitly take advantage of a quad core, so long as the system intelligently balances load (especially for background processes), but this ^.
[Nexus 10 General] lvnatic:
No, the performance of this tablet won't hold up. There is no such thing as future proof device in these days, there is always something new across the corner that will be much faster. This tablet already has problems running some hd games becuase of the retarded resolution, in 1 year it will probably only run small games like nowadays hill climb racing.

The cpu is another story, it is pretty powerfull and we will most likely enjoy a smooth system at least for the next major update, but forget about top notch games.
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
Not sure I agree with this statement. One point is that for most applications, the N10 is much better than my N7 for games, with a few exceptions. Some require Tegra 3 only (Conduit for example) and some others that will support multiple GPU's but optimize for T3.

I suspect that if developers do more to optimize for the Mali GPU, you'd likewise see improved performance. Many have been developing for the baseline GPU's in order to cover the widest range of gamers and these might lag at the high resolutions of the N10 simply because existing optimizations were not used in the code.

http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0555b/index.html

Overall, my N10 is providing superior performance over my N7, with a few exceptions. Over time, I expect the exceptions will likely be resolved by those game developers, unless they abandon development of that application.

So until a large number of 10 or 10.1" tabs are released that are superior to the N10, it's all conjecture. Even the Sony Xperia Tablet Z tab is still close to the benchies of the N10 and it's a quad core based tab. Sure it's ahead in a few, but the N10 is ahead in a few as well.

Overall, you'll find that this tab has some life in it yet!
[Nexus 10 General] aznmode:
Its now available for purchase on HP website. Just bought one. I hope its gonna be one of the better tablets coming out this year. Definitely will be better than my Infinity.
[Nexus 10 General] TacticalDesire:
That might have been true back in 2006 when we were just starting to see quad cores and decent dual cores but things have come a very long way in 7 years.
[Nexus 10 General] firesoul453:
I don't think the resolution is the problem (or it doesn't have to be atleast). Plenty of games run perfect on it, temple run 2, need for speed, (angry birds lol), and rayman jungle run are some that come to mind. Then you get a game like subway surfers thats basically unplayable. It doesn't really make any sense and seems to be up to the developer if they tested for the nexus 10.

I've had it around two months I think and its still awesome. I definitly think it will be getting the next few updates. It seems google has been working hard to fix this version fragmentation problem (though I don't really think its as big as a problem as people think it is).
[Nexus 10 General] kthz:
lvnatic is right.

I have this tablet since its release. CPU is pretty powerful but GPU is its weakness. It's good but not that great since it has to manage such a high resolution. Try more games, you will see (Modern Combat 4 is choppy on it for example and i can't remember all games i have uninstalled because framerate wasn't satisfying, i can't play with only 15-23fps unlike so many people).

One more thing, did you notice that 1080p movies/media are choppy too ? Maybe it has been "fixed" since i haven't tested any samples/movies/series for a while due to its average contrast. With default player it was hard for me to brag with 1080p demos..
[Nexus 10 General] mustbepbs:
Performance is pretty weak on this device. I wish they either used a better GPU or lowered the resolution, because those things coupled do not work. A lot of apps on my Nexus 7 are smooth and have smooth scrolling, but are glaringly slower and have really jittery scrolling. It's aggravating. Especially given the price over the Nexus 7. I mean, the new Nexus 7 runs circles around this thing, at almost half the price!
[Nexus 10 General] :
On stock/rooted firmware, I'd have to say I've had the reverse experience. There are a lot of variables that wind up going into the "smoothness" of a user's experience.
[Nexus 10 General] danielsf:
I have to agree here for the most part. Although on 4.2.2 my n10 was faster than my overclocked n7 whilst say loading up app etc but was not quite as smooth. But now on the 4.3, my n10 is a lot smoother than my n7 on 4.3. I now feel my n10 isn't far off my nexus 4 is smoothness and leaves the nexus 7 in the dust. I think the tablet's performance will hold up, cpu wise especially as dual core performance is more important than quadcore atm and for single threaded operations our exynos 5250 is still one of the best. Also GPU wise it isn't too bad and if you overclock the GPU to say 667mhz, the tablet does pretty well in games.
[Nexus 10 General] Hayness:
Download the 'BS Player' app from the Play store and try your 1080p movies with it, then come back here and let us know how choppy your Nexus 10 is.
[Nexus 10 General] kthz:
As i said, with defaut player, you were too smart to read all since movies weren't the only point anyway (like i would install BS Player to play games? It's cool of course, they deported rendering to gpu, but other devices generally don't need that, especially at that price if you see what i mean).

I have owned 4 other 1080p devices, for sure, the N10 is the only one having some problems to push pixels on its screen due to highres and small gpu, unless games are light or have optimizations or special use of the Mali. (i just thought to some other choppy one Wild'n blood or something like that).
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
even little facebook its an application to heavy for nexus 10 ... just one conversation 30 min long put down this device and you talk about the future
[Nexus 10 General] :
Oh look, the fellow who dudded their Nexus 10 at it again, this time to complain about an app that'll never run smooth on any device in the known universe. Meanwhile, the rest of us continue to play our movies and read our news with no trouble.
[Nexus 10 General] abdel12345:
Wow i dont think that was needed.

Sent from my LG-P970g
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
This device is FAST. If you are not happy with the performance just sell it and get the new Nexus 10 in November. Stop winging.

I also agree that you should not judge this tablet against a crappy Facebook app that is probably poorly coded.

Just enjoy the tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] rootusr:
yup, agree, Facebook runs crappy in every Android device I have tested it..
[Nexus 10 General] :
Hang around long enough and you'll quickly get your fill of wheat whinging.
[Nexus 10 General] CWalkop:
Samwheat is the resident troll of the Nexus 10 forums. For the most part, anyway.
[Nexus 10 General] abdel12345:
Well i just meant that if you dont like what someone says just dont respond because it'll just cause even more issues unless its something that really needs to be addressed. But i guess that i went against my own advice. Anyways no offence meant to anyone and lets get back on topic. I think the tablet runs great. Its been working well for me since i got it 5 months ago but its also my first tablet. I do get some random lag in some games like dungeon hunter 4 but thats expected because theres lots of stuff going on
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
one good example of future proof its my HTC Desire .. 3,5 years old , Mildwild rom .. facebook runs faster there with its 512mb ram and 1ghz cpu...

after 1 year , our nexus 10 was fueled with a tiny upgrade 4.3 that .... yeah i will not continue ... you guess . bla bla

nexus 10 2012 becomes an dusty device step by step ... unfortunatly ...
[Nexus 10 General] duarian:
Facebook runs crappy on my S3 as well. I don't even use the app on my N10, I just use the browser. Desktop site is smooth as can be.
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
Considering we got TRIM support the performance should keep up in the long run.

It's great news.

Enviado desde mi Nexus 10 usando Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 10 General] filthygoat223996:
Facebook is a poorly coded app, and will start to lag on any device when used a lot. My LG optimus g even stutters with facebook sometimes, and you can't say that its a slow phone.

Nexus 10 will remain as a strong tablet on the market. Even when 4.3 was considered a minor update, it bumped up graphic performance massively, meaning that with the proper optimization the n10 will only get better. Thanks to our amazing devs, roms make this a reality, and it is a nexus after all. You already know what this means

Sent from my NeXXus 10
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
This tab will be fine.. The industry is going through what the PC industry went through. Pushing this nonsense agenda of the end user always having to have the fastest latest and greatest or they're missing something.. Then they add thick layers of MORE CORES! GHZ!!!! Buzzwords etc and sadly the users are buying into the hype. In the PC industry consumers finally learned that there is no reason to upgrade.. A 4 year old PC for most consumers (taking out gamers etc) can do everything they need to do without even breaking a sweat. Tablets are in that sweet spot now.. Again.. Unless you're a gamer or insane power user rendering CGI or some jazz on a tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] duarian:
The only problems I have with this tablet are:

Thermal throttling (custom kernel band aids this)

Takes forever to charge

No micro SD.

The top is really the only thing that will get remedied in future tablets though.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
can you please give me 3 different extra points that Nexus has over ordinary device ?
[Nexus 10 General] :
Sure. Sharp screen, front-facing speakers that actually sound pretty good for a tablet, and a surprisingly nice, resilient battery that'll power my device for slightly over a week per charge with good usage.

Of course, since what makes something "extra" or "better" is subjective, and you've spent months trolling this forum with how trashed your device is, none of this really matters. You're not looking for an answer, just something else to complain about. It's so transparent at this point.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
- sharper screen ( better colours ) - ipad4

- sound - better on ipad 4

- battery - better ipad

someone else ?

what nexus haves better that other device non nexus ? besides that ultra lighting fast update 4.3 after a year ...

im starting to not feel proud anymore of my Car gps nexus 10 device
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
If you have so much complains and think iPad 4 is better why don't you sell your Nexus and buy an iPad?! That's seriously becoming ridiculous!! We're talking if performance will hold up, not if it's better than X device or Y device!!! It's better suited for some people needs, and obviously, if you wanted a GPS, why didn't you invest only a 1/5 of what you invested for a REAL GPS, it's a different niche bro. You can buy a Nexus 7 to read books, but it will not beat a Kindle for that task, however with a Kindle you won't be able to listen to music. See? Now I know you'll come with your answer "iPad 4 is better and do the same and even more blah blah blah", like if I cared. I bought a Nexus 10 because I wanted a Nexus 10 and not an Asus Transformer Infinity. Dude, Nexus 10 is a developer device with some amazing specs and great things for non-dev people.

Do you like iPad 4 screen more than Nexus 10? Oh sorry. I prefer my Nexus 10 screen. That's the same discussion between Galaxy S4 and HTC One screens. iPad 4 screen is like S4, very vivid and bright colors, they look "WOW!" in your eyes, while Nexus 10 is like HTC One, they are more "dry" and "realistic" colors, they don't have the same "WOW!" effect, but are still good, specially when watching videos, many movies look way worse with vivid colors IMO.

Do you like iPad 4 sound more? Oh... I really enjoy front face speakers! What a difference!! After I used Nexus 10, my Galaxy S4 sound was something like very poor for me, so poor that made me want to change to a HTC One due to front speakers, but in the end I decided to keep it, it's not worth that trade, S4 is still a beast and I really liked it xD. There's a huge difference in front and back speakers, but again matter of opinion.

Do you think iPad 4 battery is better? Ah... I see... Well, the battery is good enough for me, never disappointed me! So I don't have anything to complain.

Now, will the performance hold up? This is not more a personal question, after all we're talking if the device will continue powerful in the next years. With my Xoom experience I can say that Nexus 10 holds potential to last long 3-4 years! My Xoom was still rocking very fast and good (until mom broke it screen :(, well I got a Nexus after it lol), and soon is becoming a 3 years device, it's showing its age, but let's not forget it was a Tegra 2 processor and 1Gig RAM. It wasn't able to run 1080p back the time I wanted. Nexus 10 can hold all my videos with no lag at all. So I think that if it don't continue with official support, let's not forget what I said earlier: this is a DEV device!! So we'll see more ROMs and good ROMs :D.

That's it.

~Lord
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
nice love roman :thumbup: but you could put roms on other android devices too ...

its very hard that dev could make magic if they are supplied with a 4.3 update after a year ... don t you think ?

and don t forghat that 4.3 has its new problems ...

we are running in circles ... with the help of google big brother
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
Yea, I know I can. But they don't share the simplicity of "fastboot oem unlock", also if I mess up things I'd have to use their programmes, like Galaxy Odin, and that sucks IMO. Specially because I have Linux.

You didn't expect to buy a Nexus and receive 1 update per month, did you? Many updates within a short time range are mostly annoying and time taking.

Indeed it has its own problems! But I can use them with no problems, check my comparison in the Android 4.3 Experience Share thread. There are many solutions to some problems! Just don't tell me you think iOS is perfect and better.

"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Nexus 10 General] avxjl:
how is your battery holding up ?three years!?
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
Xoom had a great battery. Also I never had issues with battery in my devices, the only thing of mine that had battery problems was my laptop after 4 years. Also my battery life on Nexus is great! It's standing good 9h with moderate-heavy usage! Xoom battery life was something like 8-9h with moderate-heavy too, never reduced ^^!

"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Nexus 10 General] avxjl:
How many times do you charge it a year ?I charge my nexus every day , so 365 times a year , two year should reduce the power ?

My nexus 10 can only hold up 8 hour tops , some video , some chrome beta
[Nexus 10 General] :
Every day? Yikes. When it comes to frequency of charging, my iPad 3 and Nexus 10 tend to tie for dead first in how little I have to.

And everyone, samwheat's proved my point yet again. We now are blessed with the knowledge that he prefers vivid colors over realism and a higher PPI, and there are many who do. We've also learned the the umpteenth time that he is determined to never hear a good word about the Nexus 10, and owing to this delights in posting the same "offtopic" posts he used to complain about so vigorously before people learned he was a troll.

Kid, I don't know if you're looking for some self-validation of your Nexus 10 purchase, but if you dislike it that much, sell it. Frankly, this got pathetic a long, long time ago.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
its should reduce the power ... i hope you are not dreaming that google make an perfect device to not buy another one for 5 years ... Dont be naive !

they will go down with this market strategy and i think it s a healty thinking for all bussiness players..

this future proof ideea its wrong from the start ...

who belives that nexus or another device its made to keep forever are wrong, like this fanatic nexus 10 lovers above..

consider that xoom or other device that last more than 2 years in the field are a very bad mistake from the producers ...

1. future proof

and

2. build quality

are 2 different things

mr. old one Rirere ,please learn this and open your mind !

Nexus 10 its a great ideea but badly suported from the producers and bad build quality ... from my point of view
[Nexus 10 General] filthygoat223996:
Troller gonna troll. OK back on topic...
[Nexus 10 General] ncvikingx97:
Dear god, just leave. You are the biggest troll I think I have ever seen. All I'm trying to do is get some good info on the nexus 10(which I would like to buy), and in literally every thread you are in there trying to bash it. If you don't like it, share it in one of the "I hate this thing" threads. I know you are trying to justify your hate for it by trying to get people to agree with you. Grow up.
[Nexus 10 General] romdroid.:
I only get 4-5 hrs on-screen time with xoom using team eos 3
[Nexus 10 General] arjman:
With an Exynos 5 and 2gb of ram I think the nexus will be safe :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] AkiroX:
Yeah, none of the JellyBean ROMs run right...

Can anyone.. Who had CM9 and still have the Zip around upload and give me a link..?

Please..?

ICS seems to run better....
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] theprogram1:
Sorry.. But it seems that cm9 for the blaze has disappeared from the forum.
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] boulos:
Check goo.im

How about here:

http://goo.im/devs/cm/t769
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] jparnell8839:
http://tinyw.in/r2Y5

CM9 from back in mid December or so

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oh, lol you beat me to it :P i'll give thanks where do :P