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[Nexus 10 General] eShrooms:
Absolutely. Technology always changes and gets better. The only time I experience any lag on this tablet is when the app itself is poorly designed. Web browsing has never lagged once, even on the stock ROM.

It does everything I want it to and more. I'm also happy to know I'll be receiving the latest OS updates lightning fast.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
why people get upsad when others are saying their opinions and they dont come with arguments in compare ?

Sorry kids ! i was wrong ... our candy Nexus 10 has 4gb ram . It s planty for the future . It was an error from me and Its not lagging its just freeze and restarts .

Another problem that i thought its that it have only 32gb ... it haves 64 in reality..

Sorry again ! please fogive me !

Better ? :) please don t cry !
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
:))))

beware of tegra 4 ... better ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIL-RjLUMw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

search before talk

the only little future of this tablet stays in the developers work ... if they want to
[Nexus 10 General] mrruin:
That "comparison" between the Nexus 10 and Tegra 4 is wrong on so many levels...heck they are not even using the same browser. NVIDIA hype machine is in full swing...
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
In addition the demo is from Nvidia. AFAIK there aren't any unbiased benchmarks out yet.
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
From my perspective, if you can wait, I strongly recommend you wait. The next nexus 10 will surely pack a quad core A15 chip alongside a much improved GPU. While the T604 GPU is no slouch, the next iteration is going to be better.

Given the mixed bag I've seen in terms of hardware quality (e.g., freezing, restarts, etc), it also makes me question Samsung's reliability for producing these things.

With all things, my preference is to always try and skip the first generation, if you can withhold the temptation. =)

It's already May. It's about 5 more months till the next announcement of the N10 is out. Every day you spend pondering the question is definitely another day that makes picking up the current N10 less worthwhile.
[Nexus 10 General] mrruin:
You can always wait for the next big thing which most of the time will be much better. The question you have to ask yourself is if you need the hardware now or not. If you DO need it, there is no point in waiting. You said it yourself, 5 months till the announcement and who knows how long till the next tablet will be availalbe to buy. In tech world that is a long time to wait.

In my opinion right now is a good time to buy mobile hardware (phone or tablet). Current hardware can run anything that's existing on the web and in the media world (HD streams, HD movies, etc etc). I do not see a dramatic web/content development coming that will push current hardware beyond its limits. It was very different a few months ago before current quad core chips and potent dual cores (in the case of the Nexus 10) made an appearence.

Gaming may be a different animal, but then again this depends on how you plan to use your tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
In my mind, many of us don't need a tablet. We justify wanting a tablet, but definitely not needing it. This is why I told OP, if he can wait, wait it out.

The next iteration is likely going to see improvements in the screen as well (e.g., maybe higher contrast ratio), etc.

5 months isn't too long. Just stop visiting the N10 forums. Problem solved. :D
[Nexus 10 General] firesoul453:
Why would you post such a horribly done comparison? All you do is hate on the nexus 10 and yet you use one all the time apparently.

but anyway

Thanks everyone. I definitely don't need a 10" tablet (especially since I do have a nexus 7) but am certainly wanting one. but I guess I better wait for the next tablet to come out. I was hoping for a new tablet announced at google IO but am not surprised to not see one announced. I'm just impatient lol.
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
I bought one last week and will get it today. I couldn't decide for a long time and it out of stock here anyway. Atm there's nothing better in the market. And even though the Tablet Z is tempting as well it's not a Nexus.

I own an N7 as well by the way but I wanted a 10" tablet again because it works better for certain things (e.g. PDF)
[Nexus 10 General] mustbepbs:
I don't understand why people are saying there's going to be an announcement in 5 months. Just because the thing will have been out for a year doesn't equal a refresh, and there were tons of rumors floating around for a new Nexus 7 at Google I/O and that never happened.

If you tell yourself you can wait, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life because technology moves and keeps moving. There's always going to be something better, and better is always in the eye of the beholder. Just because a new version of a tablet gets released doesn't all of a sudden make your perfectly good tablet any less great, and it certainly doesn't break it in any way.

If you can utilize a bigger tablet and want it now, just get it. Your circumstances and needs are way different than people here, and the people here are always going to tell you there's another one coming around the corner. Which there's absolutely no proof of anyway.
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Free RAM is wasted RAM.

http://www.slimroms.net/index.php/faq/slimbean/238-why-do-i-have-less-memory-free-on-my-device
[Nexus 10 General] freshlysqueezed:
I am very happy with my nexus 10. No reboots.

FYI:

HP is coming out with an interesting Tegra 4 tablet in august.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/x2/slatebook-x2.html
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
"Free RAM is wasted RAM.

http://www.slimroms.net/index.php/faq/slimbean/238-why-do-i-have-less-memory-free-on-my-device "

i m not so shure about it ...

so then keep the 2GB forever to all android devices in the universe .... no progress :banghead:

something it s missing to your theory ... don t you think ?

( free ram = more ram to be used fully ) better said

i read you
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
This is not a theory, this is how Android works. Of course more is better but only so that you can cache more and as well for the future when the apps are getting bigger. ATM 2 GB is enough.
[Nexus 10 General] eShrooms:
Windows and Android do not function the same way. Regardless, I've never had hangups on my tablet or any issues with RAM whatsoever. It doesn't matter what device you're using, there's always a better one out there. If you don't like that you might want to look at an iPad.
[Nexus 10 General] purmou:
This tablet runs great for me. I get minimal problems and I've got a custom ROM.
[Nexus 10 General] mustbepbs:
And what is this "more for their $399"? This is the best Android tablet on the market right now, and will be for the foreseeable future as there is absolutely zero proof of a new one dropping this year.

People will complain about anything these days. Ridiculous.
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
Quad core A15? Improved GPU? Improved screen energy efficiency?

You don't need proof to know that Intel will have new more efficiency chips coming out next year. This is technology. It is called progress.

Gosh, never seen such potent cognitive dissonance.
[Nexus 10 General] mustbepbs:
And these specs are in what tablet now? That's my point, at this moment, it's the best Android tablet on the market. With no foreseeable improvement (I'm sure there will be something with slightly better specs by the end of the year, not necessarily from Google), why complain about it? It's $100 cheaper than its competitor. It has incredible internals. There is always going to be something "better". You can't wait for the rest of your life for the "next one", because you'll always hear rumors of something "better".

SMH.
[Nexus 10 General] Siberian Tiger:
Thread cleaned .

And please keep it clean and stay on topic.
[Nexus 10 General] springy:
First to address the free memory problem. Android is designed to keep as many things in memory as possible. This is because of the time to fetch things from memory vs. from non memory. It is much faster to access something in memory vs. not. If applications are written correctly then in memory application is the way to go. Android will handle the closing of application when it needs more memory.

The nexus 10 is running the new A15 chip. When it came out I believe this is the first device on the market that uses the new A15 architecture. New drivers and kernel code needs to be written. Right now it is still not up to scratch, and I believe that still needs to be fixed in the next kernel/android release.

When Android 4.3 is released, I hope it fixes issues related to the drivers and kernels so that these freezes stops happening. This device is a beast in performance, but the code is not up to scratch in my opinion.
[Nexus 10 General] noneabove:
The thing you have to consider, even if a theoretical update comes out in 5 months, is the improvement in hardware worth not having it in your life for that time? How much improved performance is worth not having it for as much time? That's what you should consider
[Nexus 10 General] dibblebill:
Excuse me for suggesting we not spend our time insulting each other. I'm actually completely unsure of what you're trying to say, as well, samwheat.
[Nexus 10 General] ...Awesome...:
I have a ZERO tolerance for members insulting other members please stay on topic and refrain from insulting each other!.

-Thread Cleaned
[Nexus 10 General] cmplaya:
mine definitely has very noticeable lag when reading/annotating pdf files for work, sometimes even only 10 pages long...waiting for N11
[Nexus 10 General] newellj79:
I don't have a bad thing to say about this. I've had two tegra 3 tablets, neither could hold a candle to this guy. The core count is irrelevant. The a15 architecture makes this thing fly. The screen is the best on the market (uh, I think). I play games, watch movies, web browse and read books all without a hitch. That said I'm using a custom ROM as well as a custom kernel. That said also, I'm under clocked down to 1500ghz max...
[Nexus 10 General] firesoul453:
Ya I ended up getting it ($380 on woot for 32 GB version). No regredts so far. Pretty fast. I just wish the the chrome browser was a little snappier, though the aosp browser is pretty good.
[Nexus 10 General] newellj79:
Good for you! That's a awesome deal! I've also never been impressed with chrome on android. I use boat browser. Enjoy your new toy!
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Do you mind sharing that pdf? I'm curios how they work here.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Just download a pdf musical sheet 20 pages long .... And try to open ...see what happens :)

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" Ya I ended up getting it ($380 on woot for 32 GB version). No regredts so far. Pretty fast. I just wish the the chrome browser was a little snappier, though the aosp browser is pretty good. "

In witch way is this relevant for the op question ? " the tablet will do bussiness for the future or not " ( come with arguments and comparisons )

It s like telling that you have been to the toilett and do pipi .

Wtf people ... :confused:
[Nexus 10 General] hung2900:
n ...see what happens :)

---------- Post added at 01:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:32 PM ----------

" Ya I ended up getting it ($380 on woot for 32 GB version). No regredts so far. Pretty fast. I just wish the the chrome browser was a little snappier, though the aosp browser is pretty good. "

In witch way is this relevant for the op question ? " the tablet will do bussiness for the future or not " ( come with arguments and comparisons )

"

It s like telling that you have been to the toilett and do pipi .

Wtf people ... :confused:

It is clear that there is a proportion of faulty devices in every electronic product that causes laggy.

So please stop blablahing. You're very annoying.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
"

It is clear that there is a proportion of faulty devices in every electronic product that causes laggy.

So please stop blablahing. You're very annoying. "

Irelevant and off topic

Next one .. !
[Nexus 10 General] dibblebill:
I've been opening 100+ page PDF books I downloaded from the Mises library just fine on mine.
[Nexus 10 General] h20pt:
For everyone saying that this tablet is going to be obsolete by the Tegra 4: it won't! This is such an amazing device and piece of hardware.

Sure it'll be slower (hell, Tegra 4 it's a new generation, it would be pretty shameful if it would be slower than a previous gen device - nexus 10), but it will still be an amazing tablet!

And for those who keep saying to wait until a new device comes out.. Come on.. A new device is always coming out. If you wait for a Tegra 4 device, in a few months it will be "obsolete" again. If you wait for the new nexus 10, it will also be "obsolete" a few months later..

Just buy the damn tablet now and you won't regret :)

And like someone said before in this thread, this is still a new architecture, it will probably be better in the next Android realeases.

Just my 2 cents

Also, i found this: http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/519/nvidia-tegra-4-slower-than-both-the-nexus-10-and-ipad-4.html
[Nexus 10 General] :
A15 dual core is hardly a slouch, and the tablet's been pretty generously kitted out for the future. At tt the very least it'll be more future proof than say, the Galaxy Nexus, and look how long that device has continued to kick around.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
You call it future proof with only 32gb ?

Are you ok ?
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
I always find amusing that people are complaining about the storage. I never store much on the devices themselves. The music is in the cloud and the films get deleted one I've seen them. I have currently still 18.73 GB free :D

The desktop is a different story though.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
I allways find it funny when the people its out of topic

The discusion its about the future not present .

What ypu will do in the future ( 2014 ) with only tiny 19gb left ? No wifi to get your stuff from your beloved clouds ?
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Buy a new one? I don't intend to keep it forever as my main tablet.

People have been complaining about the storage on Nexus devices since the Nexus S. For me that was never a problem maybe I use them wrong?
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Offtopic
[Nexus 10 General] :
Yep. The only device I've come remotely close to filling is my phone, and I've used 18.73GB/32 there. Learn how to use streaming or server-side storage. If you're trying to dump a million movie files onto the same tablet, that's not the manufacturer being inadequate in future proofing, it's you being silly.

Heck, even my 16GB tablets work fine. Even my 8GB Nexus 7 works fine. Storage is not a particularly useful benchmark for future-proofing, and there's more than enough to ensure the device hums along smoothly, and I have apps that let my devices with larger storage serve as media servers on the road.

Oh, but I see. Anything you disagree with is "offtopic." I should have realized from the other thread that you're incapable of actually discussing anything with anyone.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
I wanna put games, programs, backups and work stuff on my tablet ( beacuse i need it as a portable device ) ... But even my 32 gb its full right on .... so In 2014 ...
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Well I have the same in mine depends on the amount I reckon ;)
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
We want 128gb on nexus 11 and 4gb ram
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Why do you want more ram? 2 GB is plenty enough for Android.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
In my case ... Bigger = Better

Girls like it ;)
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
The technique is what matters, in both cases :p
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
:))) cmoooonnn

True that ;)
[Nexus 10 General] :
I see what you did thar. Well played.
[Nexus 10 General] dibblebill:
Off topic
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Offtopic

You don t have to be frustrate :)
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Friday evening on XDA. :D
[Nexus 10 General] IRX120:
I was thinking about buying this but is the dual core a15 as fast as the tegra 3 or s4

Sent from my Nexus 4 @1.944 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 10 General] TellTenPeople:
To answer the original question, I'd have to say that from my brief experience with the Nexus 10 at around launch, my main concern would not be one of longevity of performance but of quality assurance. I had the misfortune of being sent two defective ones in a row by Google (both had debris between glass and screen, one kept dropping Wifi and the other would scramble image and freeze) to say nothing of the light bleed and hiss from the speakers if I left the sound effects on. I was so disappointed that I just couldn't stomach another try so I returned the second one and washed my hands of the Nexus 10.

I've been using both iOS and Android since their respective tablet débuts with iPads 1 and 2, and Xoom and Nexus 7 and have to say that generally they've both hit their stride with iOS 6 on the iPad2 and Android 4.2 on the Nexus 7. Web browsing is smooth and app launching is quick. Even with the defects, the performance on the two Nexii 10 went without a hitch even in Firefox — not the sleekest of browsers — and even playing back 1080p mkv. I was amazed how good Netflix video quality was even upscaled as it was on the Nexus 10.

So, no, I don't believe performance will be an issue for a couple of years on the Nexus 10 unless they start making some really taxing Android games or start regularly streaming 4K video. It's the Quality Assurance I have absolutely no faith in — especially at that price. However, if they released a 64GB version, I would definitely be tempted to have another look.

As it is, I've got my eye on the upcoming Tegra 4 Toshiba Write — I really like the idea of a digitizer and that mostly unadulterated Jelly Bean 4.2.2 — and the Nexus 7 refresh with a rear camera if Toshiba decided to disappoint me as much as Samsung and Sony have. Asus disappointed me, too, but at less than half the price, I'm ready to forgive sooner.
[Nexus 10 General] Nebucatnetzer:
The CPU is way faster than a tegra 3 and even faster than the S4 but here probably not by much.
[Nexus 10 General] :
It's faster than the Tegra 3 by a pretty clear margin (mainly because of architecture improvements from A9 to A15) and I believe is more power efficient. In the case of the Tegra 3, the A15 wins both in clock-for-clock efficiency and in outright clock speed. I think it's also got better memory handling.

The S4 is a much older processor (well, "old" by mobile terms ;) ), so it's really no comparison there. Even the S4 Pro gets handily beat, although not by quite as much. This particular Exynos chipset being for tablets/Chromebooks means it's got more power to play with, whereas the S4 Pro (and subsequent variants) are more "mobile"-type chipsets.

We know very little about the upcoming Tegra 4/4is, but I'm willing to bet this chipset will still be comparable to both (although a generation/half-generation behind).
[Nexus 10 General] IRX120:
Good I was sceptical at first of it only being dual core as my nexus 4 is way faster than my nexus 7 by a good bit but for my nexus 4, overclocking doesn't do jack.

Sent from my Nexus 4 @1.944 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 10 General] :
I'm sure there are at least a few situations where the Tegra 3 could beat the Nexus 10's Exynos 5250 (but not the Nexus 4's S4 Pro), but only in situations requiring a lot of parallel operations of low complexity. Dual cores with higher clock speed are good for a lot of mobile tasks because you're probably not running too many operations simultaneously (well, relatively so), so a faster core will chew through what it's got to do faster. With a computer or higher-end tablet, more cores can help by better-distributing processor load (although that in and of itself has a cost!).

I'm willing to bet overclocking does help on your Nexus 4, but it's probably not the bottleneck you need to address to improve system performance.
[Nexus 10 General] treIII:
I just got my nexus 10 and IMO it's really efficient. Very battery friendly. Great display. Will receive several updates. And I don't believe the current version of android is correct for this chip set as far as utilizing it. I disable animations. I underclock this tablet to 1 MHz. And this NEVER lags. I have nexus 7 also. Is not as efficient whatsoever. Though it is a great 7 inch tablet. This tablet would not have cost so much if it didn't have the latest and greatest hardware when it was released. When android moves forward this year the N10 will only get faster and more productive. My mobile phones that have updated only get faster and more snappier. In order to utilize the tablet or any android device for your needs you have to set it up correctly for the way you use it.
[Nexus 10 General] omac_ranger:
You underclock it to 1MHz? That's impressive to say the least.
[Nexus 10 General] treIII:
Yes. And I also turn the animations off. That keeps it very fast and efficient. Trinity kernel.

Sent from my HTCONE using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
For all the smart guys here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uKT6jQzJTU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Tegra 4 its allmost double the speed of nex 10 ...

Relax and enjoy
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
Tried to enjoy, couldn't find any Tegra 4 tabs to use yet....
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Enjoy the news man, doh... And go to sleep :)

dream to a nice tegra 4 tablet with sunny , beach, girls around it etc

Its coming soon ;)
[Nexus 10 General] Ravynmagi:
Yeah, the Toshiba Excite Pro and Excite Write are coming next month. 2560x1600 display with a Tegra 4 and 32GB of storage for $500 for the Pro version. It's made by Toshiba so that concerns me a little, but this one looks pretty good so far.

And I got to imagine ASUS and Acer can't be too far behind with their Tegra 4 tablets. The ASUS Transformer Infinity 2013 is another 2560x1600 resolution Tegra 4 tablet.

HP is even getting into the act with the Slatebook X2. Only 1920x1200 display, but that should still be pretty decent, and the Tegra 4. It's styled after the Envy X2, same looking keyboard dock. People are reporting the tablet and keyboard are $480 together, but that sounds like a mistake. We'll have to wait until August for this one though.
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
Just wait for Nexus 10 2 with Tegra 4 or Snapdragon 800, plus Nexus updates.

Enviado desde mi Nexus 10 usando Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Just no more nexus for some of us
[Nexus 10 General] rubene66:
I will wait for a Snapdragon 800 tablet i will skip tegra 4. Snapdragon 800 has a good gpu
[Nexus 10 General] :
In which case, you could probably do yourself and everyone a favor and stop griping in this forum.

The question in this thread isn't "will something come out that's better than the Exynos 5250," it's whether or not said processor will hold up over time.