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[Galaxy S 4 General] Obagleyfreer:
Can I just bring everyone back to earth?

THIS IS A CELL PHONE NOT A DSLR!!

For a cell phone both of these devices take outstanding photos!

Just enjoy taking snapshots and love your phone for what it is.....a phone!
[Galaxy S 4 General] oXunknownXo:
New firmware for the GT-I9505 with HDR VIDEO SUPPORT (Exmor R doesn't support it):

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_update_brings_move_to_sd_hdr_video_capture-news-6170.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] Ronis_BR:
That is what I was talking about! This is a real camera test :D

Now you can look at the shots and decide which camera is better.

For me, they just look like the same... Perhaps in a veeeery low light environment we should see some difference, if I9500 has the newer sensor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
If she really said that, she needs glasses, I do have a 20/20 vision but I don't think you need that to see the clear winner in those 3 pictures. ;)

Btw, there is another thing that's weird if they both have the same sensor :

The i9505 can take slow motion videos in 800*450 resolution while the i9500 takes those in 720p (1280*720).

It could just be because the A15 CPU is more powerful than the S600 but it could also be because only the IMX135 supports that.

I agree with most of your post, though I wanted to respond to some parts of it.

First, the i9500 is confirmed to have an Exmor RS sensor (IMX135), but for the i9505, many things point to it having the IMX091PQ (Exmor R) sensor, though it hasn't been confirmed yet.

Also, I don't really agree on the fact that every digital camera is capable to take much better photos than both i9500 and i9505.

DSLR are better for sure, but not compact cameras, at least not in good light conditions.

They still have the advantage of optical zoom though, and in low light, most are better, and the Xenon flash is better than a LCD flash.

But last week end, I did a comparison between my Nikon D90 DSLR and my i9500 S4, and I was very impressed by the quality of the photos taken by the S4 : D90 vs S4 Comparison

I'm not saying it beat the D90 (especially since I set both on auto, much can be improved when you manually set the different options depending on the picture you take), but I was impressed on how close it can come on the image quality of the D90 when both are in auto mode, in good light conditions of course. In low light, the differences are much bigger.

I'm not a professional of course, and I know some pictures are not exactly the same on both devices (focal distance, amount of light,...), but I did my best with the time I had to do a decent comparison.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
The point is there is no clear winner in those groups of photos here - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=41921645&postcount=85 and that someone outside of this forum neutral went towards 2 of the s600 photos and 1 was the i9500, this is out of 3 random photos I picked in the second group photos of that post... all I asked her was to pick which looked better to her I didnt ask her to zoom or any of that rubbish . And who knows maybe u need the glasses lol anyways my point being I can see some photos that look slightly better with the s600 in that post ..I also have 20/20... and there definitely is no clear winner in that post.

For a normal person with a good eyesight it is actually pretty hard to determine a winner if any..

Well then thats very interesting isnt it
[Galaxy S 4 General] renosj:
Please,could somebody test camera picture quality with this new fw?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
On that post I agree, there are pics from both sides that can win, but I can't find the original pictures, from what website do they come from?

There's only a very small crop of each pic and no evidence on what phone it comes from, or even if it comes from a picture, or a still taken from a video capture.

To check picture quality, it's always better to zoom a bit on some parts, though it's usually evident when you look at the pictures unzoomed for a long enough period. (at least 10 seconds)

The part about HDR video not being available on Exmor R sensors is interesting though, indeed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BamAlmighty:
About time! This pretty much confirms the GT-I9505 has the Exmor RS sensor.

Case closed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] oXunknownXo:
The pictures come from the GSMarena comparison between both models, I just took crops from each picture to make it easier to compare. You have the originals there:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
. And there u have it, if correct then it pretty much does
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
Well I hope you're right, it'd be better if everyone had the Exmor RS.

We still have to wait for confirmation though, since people can't seem to get that HDR video with the new firmware, see this post and several others in that thread : http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=42302522&postcount=180 .

[MENTION=2898680]oXunknownXo[/MENTION] : I see where the crops come from now, thanks. From the full pics, I still prefer the Octa versions for the most part, but some parts of the pictures look slightly better on the SD600.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hulkkii:
Public Android camera API(android.hardware.Camera) seems to be quite a bit slower on S4 i9505 than on i9500 when tested with app named CamSpeed:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....235508339914176.60392.225487100916300&type=1

Will compare the image quality in lab when we receive the i9500 (already have the i9505)..
[Galaxy S 4 General] renosj:
Hmm, interesting post, thanks. Let us know, when comparation is done! (hope you will use latest avaiable firmware for both phones)
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
I am betting that even if you have 2 x I9505 even these 2 wont produce the exact same results.

Obviously they will be more similar to 2 phones of totally different CPU's but still not exact
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Maybe it's the difference of the CPU?
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Loooooooooool ummmmmmmm u think ??
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
You know, maybe :p I was just trying to make a joke ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] renosj:
No:(, it proves nothing,nobody can identify HDR recording on 9505,it doesnt exists,just unlucky mistake
[Galaxy S 4 General] BamAlmighty:
People apparently are not smart enough to know you have to turn on the HDR mode before you start recording.

I don't get why it is so hard for people to grasp the difference in image quality is coming from the different image processor between the different socs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
modes are selectable only for photo, there is no difference what mode you choose video has only few options, led, resolution, stabilization, slow motion and fast motion + mms... where do you think they hide hdr video option?
[Galaxy S 4 General] hulkkii:
Not exact same results, but quite close to each other depending on test conditions.

CamSpeed scores of I9500 vary mostly between 700-900 and scores of I9505 between 300-450. (Scores are from several different phones on several different lightning conditions)

What is interesting is that I9505 seems to be much slower when using Android third party camera API than it is using Samsung's own native camera application, but I9500 with third party camera API seems to be about as fast as it's own native camera application.
[Galaxy S 4 General] renosj:
Interesting findings.And what about comparing image quality as you promised,any news?When you do that,please use latest FW of both phones (Germany for 9505 and India for 9500),due to changes in camera software in these new FW.Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 General] hulkkii:
No news yet ;)

We are setting up new IQ-lab, and we don't have I9500 yet, but it should arrive this week.

I9505 we have is a Finnish version and I9500 is coming from UK, I think. First we will just run tests with newest version fw available thru normal update. But maybe we will try with newer different country versions too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] qazmed:
I have a i9505 and to be honest their is a diff but i9505 is better in other ways like it has 4g support which is 10x faster than lousy 3g a question though i know one is octa and else is quad but dont they run at same speed 1.6 ghz how come ppl say octa is better

or the more the better
[Galaxy S 4 General] lambstone:
I can't exactly recall whether it was conclusively debunked that the i9500 and i9505 use different exmor sensors BUT..

Assuming that the i9500 is indeed better.... (yes I know, tests done shows negligible difference between the two)

Then look here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Repl...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item35c943264d

I believe it would be feasible to replace the i9505 camera module with the i9500 module.

Thoughts?
[Galaxy S 4 General] sebarkh:
Guys! Back to Earth! It is not a camera! The differences are negligible!

Sent with Samsung Galaxy S4 (GT I9505)
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The problem is that the software of the two versions are different so it probably won't work (unless it's the same sensor of course).
[Galaxy S 4 General] cheetah2k:
You know nothing about photography. The lens is in fact the most important component, then sensor quality. Just ask any DSLR professional.
[Galaxy S 4 General] satzuke:
focus camera on 9500 was bad at first release but going better after last firmware
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jul84:
You are true for DSLR camera but think about the camera we are talking here is in a phone. No need to be harsh with him, you'd better try to understand that the objective is anyway similar or exactly the same between i9500 and i9505.

If one sensor or hardware is slow for shutter lag and/or has a better dynamic range, it can change quite a lot in terms of usage.

I'm personally quite disappointed with the shutter lag, S4 provides far more blurry or late picture processing compared to the S3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
And the S3 is already got 1 year of optimizations by software. Don't forget that the "lag" is due to the higher MP count. If you'll try to shoot 8MP picture you'll see there is no difference and actually it seems the S4 is faster.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jody2k:
Video recording the s4 is more blurry agreed, but if it comes to shooting pics its far more sharper than s3
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
As [MENTION=4099799]Jul84[/MENTION] said, we are not talking about DSLR. I have a DSLR and I studied about it. We are talking about phones where is no optical zoom, only digital. Into a DSLR of course lens is important, but not more than the sensor, but same. But here, in a phone, the lens is more a piece of glass protecting the sensor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] qazmed:
Guys i have both i9505 and i9500 and with the new update on i9505 there is no diff
[Galaxy S 4 General] andymihail:
Can you please post some photos to compare the quality? Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] daneel_:
What I9505 firmware have you installed?

Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 usando Tapatalk 4 Beta
[Galaxy S 4 General] amin handsome:
9505 **** camera

my camera fw is S13F0SAGB39

BASSEBAND IS XXUAMDF
[Galaxy S 4 General] amin handsome:
D

hi every body i but a s4 9505 yesterday and i take some pic with this suddenly i found that is this really 13 mp camera ???

let see in this photos and give me a guidness to improve this. ( it seems 2 mp camera )
[Galaxy S 4 General] amin handsome:
Is anybody there

My camera is awful how can i fix this
[Galaxy S 4 General] cydiamante:
Did you take off the plastic from the lens?
[Galaxy S 4 General] andymihail:
Either you did not remove the plastic from the camera or you bought a fake S4, if you did not buy it from a legit source and you got it on Craigslist or eBay.
[Galaxy S 4 General] amin handsome:
Of course i do but nothing changed ?

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I removed the plastic form and my s4 is not fake everything is fine but camera...

I had nfs hd version on this gadget & it's play really cool than its nota a fake s4

My baseband id is xxuamdf whuld u think an update can fix this prob?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Cromfel:
Hello fellas

Would anyone be able to know what is the connector on the camera that attach to the motherboard?

I would need to order one of those connectors but cant figure out how those are called :confused:

Could it be this one? Molex 0513383474 (Unfortunately I cant add link to Molex site yet due forum restrictions)

Only similiar with 34 pins I could find...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
That is so not true.

Check any site specialized in phtography, including DxO Labs, and you'll see that, equipment-wise, a good lens is much more important than a good sensor.

The lenses are responsible for all sort sof distortion (such as vignetting and barrel) and chromatic aberration in the image. The sensor is responsible for most of the noise.

Sensor-induced problems are easier to correct in post production (read "Photoshop" or Lightroom) than lens-induced problems.

the best camera phone I ever had was a Sony-Ericsson Satio, with a 12 Mpx camera and Carl-Zeiss lenses. It was better than many cameras, and kicked the ass of my S4. Then came the Nokia N8, that also had Carl-Zeiss lenses.

Both of these phones had IQ (Image Quality) way superior than the S2, S3, S4, iPhone 5 or 5S.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fuser1337:
Dude, Lenses matters but they're not everything. My Nokia N95 have Carl zeiss lens and when I compared a photo, it sucks monkeyballs against S4.

In mobile phones what matters is sensor and the digital part (The after-capture optimizations). Lenses play a very small role in the quality.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Exactly! In smartphone world the lens is just a piece of plastic in front of the sensor for protection purpose.

[MENTION=2916299]Simonetti2011[/MENTION] When we talk about DSLR, the lens is very important but still, the sensor means everything. The sensor is capable to capture (low) light, the sensor takes the photo. The lens is for optical zoom, for clarity, but without sensor, you have just a small magnify glass.

Take an example, why HTC improved the sensor for their ultrapixels and not the lens? :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
The N95 was a terrible phone. Period.

In no moment I said that sensor isn't important. It is. What I said is that lenses are MORE important than sensor.

Check ANY specialized website (popphoto, dpreview, dxolabs, etc) or books and soon you'll learn that lenses are the second most important thing in a good photo, the first one being the photographer. Light comes 3rd and then the sensor.

Now, given 2 phones with identical lenses, under identical light conditions, the best photo with be from the best sensor. That is a no-brainer.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fuser1337:
N95 and Satio, both had Carl Zeiss. N95 was terrible? Yes because the sensor was not good.

" Sensor "
[Galaxy S 4 General] Cromfel:
One should think it from physics point of view when it comes to cameras. There is only so much information available the photons you are able to capture. And even the greatest of lenses cant save when you don't have sensor to make any sense out of those photons.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fibercoax:
Stupid question, does a i9500 camera ( rear ) fit on a i9505 ? i broke my glass and can buy verry cheap a cam
[Galaxy S 4 General] ranger4740:
The best lens in the world is not going to make up for a rubbish sensor people, have a think about it for a second or two. Don't get me wrong, it works both ways but think of it this way.

If I stick a $1000 lens on my old Kodak dc20, am in going to get better pictures? No I don't think so!

If your too young to have ever used or seen a Kodak dc20 please use Google to find it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] themaxpower:
Can you post some pics? Does 9505 also allows to have slow motion videos with same FPS like on 9500?
[Galaxy S 4 General] themaxpower:
Rear camera firmware on 9506 says O13Q0SAGC01, so what camera it has? Exmor R or RS?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Not sure. All I know is I9505 has the r and I9500 has the rs. Watched a really bad interesting video explaining why the sensor is so great.....lol. I will post it soon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfV0p6-K6Lo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Exmor RS info http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201208/12-107E/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDrBMff0mzo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Confirmation from chipworks of the camera module https://chipworks.secure.force.com/...=SAM-GT-I9500_Pri-Camera&viewState=DetailView
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Just received my I9500 today and after testing I can honestly say the camera is much better in low light and mo're importantly shutter speed is faster compared with I9505.

I also tested against my HTC one in just a dimly lit room and actually prefer the I9500 shots. Very impressive.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
honestly i dont belive You, show direct comparison 9505 / 9500 same shots then you can say 9500 is much better (when you have proof).

I saw many tests on the web and i9500 isnt so different than i9505 (camera) especially after so many updates of camera firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dratsablive:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p4.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
are you kidding me? :/ 27 may 2013, now after at least 2 camera firmware updates and how many firmware changes (4.2.2 ... 4.3) this comparison is no more valid...
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Er Seriously ? The 2 models have different Camera Sensors . Erica Griffin does a good comparison on YouTube. I had an I9505 till recently and the camera and DAC were annoying me as I9500 has the Exmor RS sensor and also the Wolfson chip due to it being an Exynos Processor and if you have not used the I9500 then you can't really comment on comparisons I have owned both models and currently also have an HTC one (battery is rubbish and camera has purple haze!!) . The I9505 snapdragon 600 uses Qualcomms own DAC and has a totally different Camera sensor. If you don't believe me take a look at someone who goes into great depth comparing both https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeRcKHF4bDc&feature=youtube_gdata_player I am never one to lie about such trivial things but am just sharing what I feel. Take from it what you wish.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SGSIV:
The price is diferent
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Lol. I was looking for one for ages and was considering importing from crappy Negri Electronics (previous bad experience with a Korean LG G2) !!! But someone had one for sale second hand on Amazon UK for £279.99. Jumped at the chance and really happy I did. Now have to sell this phone ! If only it had a better camera and battery :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
Again, this comparison was made in may 2013! Its ages before any software and camera firmware changes in 9505.

After at least 2 camera firmware updates i9505 has increased camera quality so new tests are required :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Ok believe what you want. I9500 has a better/newer sensor if you think it makes no difference and your happy with your phone that's all that matters.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
Sensor isnt everything. Software makes the difference and i9505 had 2 camera firmware updates. all im saying is that new tests are required. If i9500 still takes better pictures its fine with me. Buying i9505 was my choice because i need xda mods and support.
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] dougxd:
Here goes.....

I've been struggling with charging this phone. I have both the Sprint and the T-Mobile versions and I'm seeing the exact same thing with both. This phone simply won't pull more than roughly 600ma from a charger. With the best of equipment (chargers, cables, clean regulated power, etc etc) a ~600ma (+/- 15ma) is all I ever see at max draw.

I've tried all sorts of chargers including several stock. Same for cables. I know some cables are crappier than others and can restrict current....those that I found did that were tossed in the trash (don't want to keep the fubar cables anyway).

The phones have been in various states of operation too....from one extreme to the other....under heavy benchmark load to "first run" state from a complete reset (full wipe) with airplane mode on.

I said I have a "problem" above. What I mean is that my use-case is such that I use navigation with bluetooth streaming for podcast listening during my commute to and from work everyday. While I'm at work I plug into my TV to playback video podcasts via MHL. At best.....BEST....I can maintain my current state of battery. In other words, if I'm 39%, it'll stay thereabout when I'm plugged into a charger in either case.

No..."Power Saver" doesn't help. What I think would actually help is if power saver had the ability to disable some cores in addition to just governing to 1.1Ghz across all four.

To have a kickass phone that you really honestly can't truly kick ass with feels weird. This thing simply discharges faster than it can charge under any real world load. Maybe my personal use case is unconventional but I feel like it's not THAT unconventional seeing as that the features I use wouldn't be built in if no one ever used them, ya know?

I first noticed this behavior with my previous phone, the EVO 4G LTE. Even though the behavior was there, it wasn't as bad or noticeable due to what I think is the fact it was only dual core...maybe other factors too. But I'm not a developer/engineer so my observations are only from the outside looking in.

I know I can "tweak" my behaviors -- "...do this, or do that. Disable this, or disable that." I understand these things. But having to disable a bunch of things sorta goes against the idea of having this device in the first place.

At the end of day, my observations are my own and I know some are going to suggest I'm "holding it wrong" or whatever, but you guys gotta admit there's something up here with the very limited charge rate.

All that said, I still enjoy the phone. :angel:

PS - I've been using this to monitor current/voltage. The tool has been verified to be working properly by two EE's at my work.

http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SATA-Cables-Voltage-Current/dp/B005Z1E3IY
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] Felnarion:
The stock charger. How much does that one show it pulls?

Because I have a 1a charger for my car and I can have the screen on the entire time and it charges, slower, but it charges.
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] dougxd:
Same same.....doesn't matter the charger capability. Peak draw at any one time seems to be roughly 600ma...+/-. As the charge of the phone gets closer to full, the rate tapers off to roughly 200ma and then to about 80ma as it gets really really close.

I know HTC is trying to protect the battery, but I really get the feeling that this is way over-protective.

I took a picture with my Sprint ONE of my T-Mobile ONE on a 2.1amp wall charger. Notice, at roughly 1/2 charge, it's only pulling about 600ma. Too daggon slow in my opinion.
[Sprint HTC One (M7)] Felnarion:
I assume you mean a 2.1a charger from a Samsung product, that won't work. Samsung uses some signaling on the D+/D- wires to show "This is a Samsung product, charge at 2.1a"

HTC One does not have the ability to offer this signaling and thus will charge at usb rates of 500-600.

Some products short the data wires of the USB to signal that it can supply extra power. This is the type of signaling the HTC One can use. You would need a charger with this capability.

If you don't mind, if you could take a picture of the same setup with the stock charger, that would help.

EDIT: This particular device you've linked seems to block any signaling, according to the reviews on Amazon. I think your problem may lie there.