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[Wildfire General] gobz:
Ive seen it. Frankly Id prefer android!
[Wildfire General] Masteryates:
The hardware of the N4 is amazing for the price. Fastest phone I've ever used for sure. For value/speed, nothing comes close.

The glass back is fragile so just make sure you purchase the right protection.

Jellybean 4.2 is so good you could use it without the need for rooting :D
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
Never happened to me...strange. I think the 4.2.2 update solved this issiue for the most people. I think that happens to maybe 1 of 1000 N4 devices. And if yours is affected you can send it back and order a new N4.

You can still choose the HOX its also a nice device and it has almost no bugs but its got that crappy Tegra processor which seems to be not very familiar with the android system itself and some Gameloft games.
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
Sent from my Nexus 4 with 0 issues
[Wildfire General] alamgirqazi:
i saw what you Didier! ;)

Sent from my HTC Wildfire ......... to be cont
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Frankly even more confused on the htc one x+ & nexus 4.
[Wildfire General] 3xeno:
The phone is made by LG, but the same hardware goes in a lot of other phones as well. As far as I see it, LG was plagued by software issues (O2X, 4X etc), and rarely hardware ones. (The Optimus G/G Pro is generally accepted to be a turning point for LG) Since this is a Nexus, I guess we can safely eliminate software issues introduced by the horrible LG UI. The only "hardware" issue is the glass back, where there are a LOT of cases of the back breaking even from relatively short drops.

At the end of the day, it boils down to your preferences. If you are a fan of AOSP, then the Nexus 4 is a no brainer. AOSP ROMs are guaranteed to work, and new OS updates will be pushed the day after release. But, if you care about custom skins like Sense, then the One X will be the way to go. Personally, when I started to decide on my first Android device, manufacturer skins were a necessity then in the Pre ICS days, and Sense was among the best I found back then. But, after ICS, I feel they are more of a hindrance. Stock Android has come a long long way.

Lastly, comparing the hardware specs, the Nexus 4 is definitely the one with the newer internals.

At the end, either way you go, you can be sure that you are getting a great phone. Both the devices are great. But since I am a huge fan of AOSP, the Nexus 4 was a logical choice for me, even though in many ways, the phone is a "downgrade" from my existing device, when the camera, changeable battery, and expandable storage is considered.

Good Luck
[Wildfire General] usaff22:
TBH, I went to CM10.1 the other day and I was back on Sense within an hour. AOSP has come a long way since gingerbread, but it still has some way to go. In my opinion the AOSP camera is still a huge bummer. The quality of the preview is awful and there are no features like slow-motion and burst mode. The HDR also blurs hugely no matter how still you hold the phone (although that may be CM's problem) and still isn't as good as the HDR in Sense. I also find that if you have a quick moment to capture on video, you have to swipe right on the lockscreen, wait for the camera to load, change camera modes, tap on the mode, and start recording.

In terms of built in apps, AOSP still lacks in this department. There is no voice recorder, no stocks app, and no torch app for example. You can easily get these off Google Play, but the operating system feels more whole when they are inbuilt and follow the general design of the rest of the OS. Sense feels more like Windows, whereas AOSP feels like more of a limited mobile OS.

Just my 2 cents
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Nexus 4 has some major issues that matter to me:

Only 16gB int mem vs 64gb on hox+

Thermal throttling(i know it can be overpowered by rooting)

And lastly service of lg is very(believe me) poor in India, my brother had a optimus black which broke down in a week, he got a new one but it took a long time.

Hox+ is all around an awesome device,it's just that it has 1gB ram add opposed to 2gB on n4.
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
Wow Yoda returns. How the hell are you mate? Very nice and correct post. So are you now using the nexus 4 ? I do believe you have become part of the cm team these days ?

I thought you were also using the sgs2.

On the glass back issue I purposely drop my phone from head height last night onto a wooden floor in the pub to prove its quite solid and guess what........

Not a scratch but my heart did sink a little when I did it lol ( beer is the devil ) I will not be testing that ever again. ;)

I think I still owe you a beer my old friend from back in the day you helped me numerous times with wildfire rooting etc.

Anyway really hope you and all your family are well.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Wildfire General] 3xeno:
Of course, its a personal preference, and I agree with the camera point. I am back on a Touchwizzed ROM on my S2 at the moment, because I will be needing the camera a lot this month. Although its not a huge difference, it is pretty noticeable IMO. Not to forget that Google seems to have cut corners in the sensor of the N4 itself, and its among the weakest 8MP shooters among all flagship devices.

Also, of course there is still a long way to go as far as the AOSP UI goes, but, if you look at the leap from GB > ICS > JB, its pretty clear that UI is something Google has finally become serious on.

True. There are no two ways about the restrictions you have stated. But, honestly, for my preferences, I don't see a device better than the Nexus, and I am willing to take a chance. I was seriously considering the One, but the distribution muckup by HTC is damn annoying, with retailers artificially jacking up prices. Also, even though its an awesome phone, I don't find enough on it to justify the 16K+ difference over the N4.

Also, the N4 has been around for quite a long time now, and there are no serious "defects" as such which has emerged. There were quite a few teething issues with the first lot, but they seem to have been fixed in the later batches.

As far as I see it, the target audience for the Nexus devices are limited. There are some serious sacrifices to be made, but there are advantages to be had. If, for the individual, the pros of the Nexus line of devices over-weigh the cons, the Nexus is the way to go. I have seen people buying a Nexus after seeing the reviews over the web, and struggle with the Stock Android UI, so, for sure, Nexii are not for everyone.

Also, I hope you don't feel from my post that I am pushing the Nexus. Far from it. :P The TL:DR; of this is that much like XDA's rules of not asking for "Best ROM", there is no "Best Phone". Its what suits you, and fits your needs and budget.

I am absolutely no developer. Never was, and not yet :P I was (still am) using an S2, but looking to upgrade now, as I am an ORD sufferer, and it was unlikely that development on the S2 will continue for long. Hopefully the N4 suffices.
[Wildfire General] gobz:
[MENTION=253183]Xeno[/MENTION]

What do you imply by'no two ways'?

Isn't it possible? I heard that thermstats.conf or something like that needs to be edited...

Also I believe we are from same country. What price did nexus fetch for you?
[Wildfire General] 3xeno:
No two ways as in I agree with you completely. :P

I am yet to receive my N4. I booked it from Themobilestore, which was offering it at the MRP of 25,990, with a 5% cashback for ICICI cards, giving a net figure of 24,690. From what I have read about the N4, it seems undervolting is a way to reduce the heat, and ultimately, thermal throttling. Not too sure of editing a file yet. Maybe sly has a reply regarding that.
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
Mmmm not sure what I can say as I don't know whats being asked completely. I don't know exactly how the throttle thing works but I think as the N4 cpus get too warm ( most kernels now let you set this temp ) the CPUs are automatically reduced to try and lower the temp. UV from a kernel respective now gives us the option to lower voltage on cores which in effect gives us a cooler system etc but UV too much has issues with some apps. So I think its safe to say that thermal throttle can be controlled or has been tweaked through most of the kernels available.

Bearing in mind that the N4 runs quad core 1500+ Max with 1026 project butter its very rare the N4 has all cores online but even when throttle may kick in I have never noticed any difference. I don't play games so that's probably why I don't know what happens really but I have noticed my Max CPU in settings drop when using maps navigation as the device was very warm. It was set at 1350 Max but when I checked it showed 1296 then returned to 1350 once cooled. I'm happy for my device to work this way if it results in my phone not blowing up :D

Also on the 16gb internal issue.

You get 50gb free box account for being an lg device and also Google music is great, I store over 12gb of music that doesn't even touch my devices memory. There's lots of cloud storage available nowadays so internal memory is never an issue with me. I always have over 10gb free on my phone.

??? Did my ramble help ???

Sent from my Nexus 4

---------- Post added at 06:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:45 PM ----------

3xeno

I thought I'd seen somewhere that you were an official cm tester ?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Hey,

There is another alternative to undervolting and that is to change the values of the thermal file in etc/

It would result in huge battery drain though
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
The processor throtteling is not a problem on the N4 mine is alway running with 2 cores online @~1000MHz and even if you play graphic intensive games like for example Dead Trigger it doesn't laggs (while the HOX(+) laggs without any kind of thermal throtteling). And if games in maybe 1 year lag on this device you can still overclock it up to 1700Mhz. I don't think that thermal throtteling changes anything besides your Quadrant score.
[Wildfire General] LucidSomnia:
I dont know much about undervolting - throttling etc, but I know that N4 comes with S4 pro chipset that is quite less overheating than the old S3, and my XS isn't overheating that much so I guess N4 must be great on this matter, like XZ or HTC One (SD 600).

There is also another choice (I would if i could afford it for sure), the S4 AOSP model, getting in play store for $650. You can have updates on time, internal memory+++, low battery consumption (especially if its with exynos octa), and micro-sd. Maybe something more I can't think of right now. The only matter would be aosp camera issues that i think will be fixed really soon with the release of 4.3.

But then again, its your choice. Cheers
[Wildfire General] Pator57:
And you can wait to by the galaxies S 4.
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Dead trigger lags(?) on hox because it isn't optimized for tegra devices..hox had a tegra zone app with loadz of games. Thermal throttling reduces fps rate to half on 41°C+ on non rooted devices.
[MENTION=4537079]pator[/MENTION] S4 will cost too much fr me...

Just my opinions.
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
Yeah basicly Tegra is the one problem the HOX has its not open source and the HOX will never get s-off. And btw. in never saw that Tegra Zone app on my HOX maybe i didnt looked close enough. And there are just a few dedicated apps avalible for on TegraZone and there are no gameloft apps in there if im not mistaken. So gameloft will never ever optimize their games for Tegra 3 devices.
[Wildfire General] Pator57:
Ha ok for me s4 cost as much as nexus 4.But it dépend where you buy your phone.
[Wildfire General] gobz:
You seemed to have used both the phones, which one do you prefer??
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
Camera, Display = One X

General hardware (processor) = Nexus

The build quality of the phones are both very good one the one hand you got a premium "plastic" and on the other hand you got glass which does also look very nice, so that depends on your favour. If you drop it both will be broken (the N4 maybe also on the bag) a new display for the HOX costs almost ~200€ (260$) as my friend told me. So thats very expesive.

I have to say that i prefer the Sense UI a little bit over stock android. It's just very good looking and i really loved the widgets. Since Sense 4.1 the performance issiues are almost fully solved, so there are no laggs in the UI anymore. Jellybean made it even faster. But with activated sense you just got ~300Mb of free RAM while you have 1,3Gb on the Nexus.

Also rooting and flashing a ROM on the HOX is not that easy. The most ROMs avalible for the One X are Sense based. Even CM comes later for this device than on the One S because of missing drivers and source codes from nVidia. I think the HOX+ will get less ROMs than the normal One X because the processor is a little different so there may isn't even an offical Cyanogenmod ROM.

In the N4 forums you'll only find AOSP ROMs and a few themed for now. I hope this will change soon. Anyway i got CM on my Nexus and it's rocking i just put a custom kernel on it to make the display colours more intensive. So the only disadvantage for me was the camera on the Nexus 4. The pictures aren't that nice but thats not such a huge problem since i dont use my mobile camera that often.

If you like the sense UI and can't live without a good mobile camera you should probably take the One X.

If you can life with AOSP or themed AOSP android, a awesome processor which hasn't got struggle with any kind of games and a huge RAM you should go for the N4. And belive me i also liked sense and theres nothing that i really miss on the vanillia UI of my N4

I hope i've helped you if you got any other questions feel free to ask :)
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
I cant understand all the negative comments regarding camera, ok im no professional photographer but i find the camera on the N4 really good. Maybe i just dont have the eye for camera quality but dont think the camera should be the deal breaker on choosing.
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Thank you so much for the immense review.

I just hope that hox+ doesn't lag in tasks with smaller ram.

I'd happily live with sense coz it is appealing!

Thanks again.
[Wildfire General] usaff22:
The One S can also be a good option, running Sense 5 now, with S-OFF
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Hello guys,

Bought the nexus 4. It us really a beauty. I gutted HTC needs to improve ram and software updates policy to attract customers. Anyway completely satisfied with this phone.

Can anyone tell me how do I change lockscreen wall?
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
Welcome buddy, great choice and you will enjoy this phone. Now you've got it how do you find the camera?? I think its really good but some complain.

Lock screen can't be changed on stock I don't think. Could try multi picture live app and see if that works.
[Wildfire General] gobz:
I find the phone a beauty. As fr camera its not bad at all, although I use a prof camera.

Do you suggest I should root the device?

Im quite pleased with stock so much.

Also I didnt see PA in Rom section, am I missing something or is it on some other page?

Last ques, gaming is awesome on this device tried dead trig, deadzone, blood and glory. Do you know of any other good game(s)?
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
If you can live without root then don't but you will most likely start missing certain features or apps you want. Rooting is simple although I used wugfresh tool kit with no problems at all.

ParanoidAndroid and other great ROMs are in original development and kangs etc are in development. We have 2 sections of development now unlike on willy where they are all in one.

PA here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2020336

[AOSPA 4.2.2 JDQ39] PARANOIDANDROID 3.56 (May26) | HALO8 GOOGLE NOW STYLE

I use slimbean with semaphore kernel normally but just returned to stock rooted for a while.

Not much of a phone gamer mate. I have poker and karza football manager games installed that's all.
[Wildfire General] Masteryates:
Good choice on the N4.

I'm very tempted by the N4 also but I have one question to the rooting experts. When rooting the wildfire, there have been a few times when things have gone wrong and I've got a picture of a phone with a red triangle giving me no option but to pull the battery out. (All the physical buttons were unresponsive.)

As you cant pull the battery out on the N4, how to you turn it off to get back into recovery?

Cheers.
[Wildfire General] Wasimk32:
Afaik phones whose battery is not detachable have a special key combination which imitates a potential battery pull.At least HTC phones can be switched off by pressing power+volume button simultaneously.
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
You just smash the Power button till it turns off :p

Then you hold power and volume + - to boot into cwm

Never had serious problems with my N4 even that it hasnt got a exchangeable battery
[Wildfire General] Slymobi:
Lol smashing is not necessary. Any freeze ups can be sorted very easily with just an extended power button press along with the volume +/- to enter boot loader/recovery. In regards to rooting the N4 is sooooooooo easy and simple even I managed it in one attempt lol. I still to this day have NOT used fast boot/ADB though !! My PC and my brain will not allow it for some reason ( please don't bother suggestions for this :) ) I'm a wugfresh tool kit user which works flawlessly for me. Don't worry about anything regarding the rooting etc as we can just simply flash a stock Google image to revert back to out the box if anything goes wrong.

We have a safe mode too lol.

Long pressing the reboot power option gives us safe boot :p
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Hello Sly,

I wanted to ask something.

I'm using Wugfresh tool to root my N4, needed some help.

Ive installed the drivers, backed up contacts,sms'es, sys app+data.

It says it will wipe all when unlocking bootloader!

Does this include internal storage, I mean music and all?

Or just the system data files?

Also gapps are 175mB!!Kinda gross! o.O

Anticipating reply.

P.S: Any good ROM suggestions other than PA3+?

Share whatever you think should be flashed after rooting!

Thanks
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
Yes i think Wugfresh's toolkit wipes all of your data. So better make a backup from everything.

And i think AOKP and CM10.1 have some pretty nice features you should definitly check them out too.
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Hey,thanks for the heads up.

Just out of curiosity, is it formatted every time I flash a ROM or just the first time whilst rooting?
[Wildfire General] jdis:
HTC ONE

Get the HTC ONE! The build is beautiful and great phone! worth scrapping together a little extra if you need to...
[Wildfire General] gobz:
Hmm:/

I already bought N4!

Thanks for the suggestion!

HTC One is too bloated, Blinkfeed, and all that stuff..and its too overpriced 800+$
[Wildfire General] miniAndroidian:
Your Apps will be removed everytime but the other things on the internal storage (music) remain. Enjoy your new phone :)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] ianlake:
icq

same problem here, and cannot check icq site from work as the security server wants to stop me having fun at work

ian
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] darkdave:
Re: icq

get this new browser for xda 2

http://nfppc.access.co.jp/english/index.html

and u can access http://go.icq.com and run icq as an applet and problem goes away. make sure in the browser plugin setting u enable JAVA which is packaged with it.

The catch is that the applet consumes about 400 kilobytes when initialized each time, so i tend to leave it running and not close down the browser period. U can log out of java applet and keep it running if u dont also close down the browser.

Dave
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] ianlake:
icq

thanks for your pointer to netfront, but that means i have to pay for something that was previously free - and that's not in my stingy nature
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] andygee:
Re: icq

I've got a multi-server running here that you can access it via the imov client if you want, just pm me and I'll set you up an account. I won't guarantee it to be up and connected 100% but I try as it's also where my mail server is.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
So I have a SHV-e160l note (korean) and I followed the steps listed http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1924535 << there and once I got to install the kernel the phone would not do anything else. Its stuck on the galaxy note screen with the blue bar not filling the screen it like hangs on the last bit then boot loops!

Is there any way I can just revert it all back to normal? any stock kernel or thing I can flash to it? I did manage to get cwm recovery on it I just cant seem to think of anything at the moment. Thanks in advance!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 440bro:
You didn't perform a backup first? That sucks! Once you get it up and running make sure you make a backup. I don't have the same model as you, but I did a quick search and found this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1775015

I am ignorant and only know english so I can't translate the page. But I'm guessing there is a stock firmware on there somewhere. You'll have to do some searching and find it. Then install it to your phone. I hope that helps!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] studacris:
Stock firmware for Samsung devices can be found on the official site.

Samfirmware.com
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
Ok so now I am in a boot loop after this. It goes to the U+ logo then looks like its loading. The logo flashes and all then 3 min later it reboots lol. Oh man I am so screwed.

& IDK which firmware is mine =/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
This site doesnt have the SHV-E160L firmware
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 440bro:
I guess you didn't check that site like I did because his device isn't listed. Would it be listed as something else?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
http://www.gsmkhmer.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=bcb274b771d4df6cdd44c40d2a62ba69&topic=8171.0

this is the only thing I found and its even harder because its in Russian and what not. Im basically effin up the phone -_- lol..

Its just on boot loop and I want it out of that. How hard is it for Samsung to have stock firmware for the phone. when I had my evo there was a RUU file I would run and be done with.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
http://main.develoid.com:81/samsung/Galaxy/GalaxyNote/

^^^^ that site has a kies home file that I am assuming is stock firmware, BUT it does not load so I can download. IDK if it's my internet or just the file itself. anyone check for me? please!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 440bro:
It loads and downloads for me. Here's direct download link

http://main.develoid.com:82/samsung...ME_E160LKLJMA3_704944_REV02_user_low_ship.tar
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
does it give you the 18 hour download time too??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 440bro:
No, but it is 1.21 gig
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
its saying my download time is 3 days >_<

Ive tried so many odin flashes.. I just want my phone lol..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 440bro:
The server that hosts the file is probably powered by a hamster running in a wheel.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xtrubambinoxpr:
MAJOR UPDATE:

I have no idea what I did, I tried updating with like 3 firmwares.. After awhile I entered recovery, got desperate, and hit a random option. Well it ended up reverting my phone back to gingerbread and now I am a happy camper to have my phone back!!!
[HTC Wildfire S] andymasterid:
I searched on xda everywhere

But I never found Google Keep compatible with WFS

:( :banghead:
[HTC Wildfire S] csoulr666:
Just try installing it.....I've been using google keep since it was launched on my WFS

You must be atleast on ICS for it to work
[HTC Wildfire S] thehacka1:
Qa section please.
[HTC Wildfire S] andymasterid:
Sorry :p
[HTC Wildfire S] K@m¡k@zE_S¡D:
Its available on play store

I've been using it for a long time now.
[HTC Wildfire S] andymasterid:
But it says THIS VERSION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR DEVICE :/
[HTC Wildfire S] Nightshadow931:
Which version of android are you using?
[HTC Wildfire S] andymasterid:
It was due to ROM :p sorry people :)