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[Nexus 4 General] ike101692:
As most(if not all) of us watch google i/o, google released the galaxy s4 with stock android, as well as "prompt" future updates. What do you guys think this means for the future of nexus do you think companies will continue to build phones for google when they can just appeal to everyone and relase a version of their flagship with stock android?
[Nexus 4 General] Johmama:
I guess I never really thought about it yet. That's a good point though. I just got into the Nexus family around a month and a half ago and I already feel at home. If there is not a future for Nexus devices, I will be extremely sad. Yeah, you still get pure Android, plus an unlocked bootloader, but there's just something about having a Nexus. I guess I just feel unique having it, you know? I'm not just another guy with a Galaxy S phone. Plus, having a Nexus phone kind of shows that you're a power user/developer. I dunno...I just really love my Nexus 4 and want to be able to buy the next one when I'm ready.

That all said, it makes perfect sense. I'm pretty sure Google sells the Nexus at a loss. And if that's not enough, you see threads on here all the time with people finding the smallest reasons for getting an RMA, reasons that aren't even valid but Google fulfills them anyway. Not only that, but people will brick their Nexus cuz they're stupid and come here to ask what they can do to RMA. They do this when it was CLEARLY their fault for bricking it and they think Google should have to cover the cost for a new one because they (the person) flashed a ROM/kernel for a different phone. If I were Google, I would probably be looking at this option, sadly.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/
[Nexus 4 General] Tunderpimp:
Here's the deal Nexus gives you the most bang for your buck. No one else gives you that. The N4 is half the price of the S4. The next Nexus phone will be a power house of hardware for a bargain.
[Nexus 4 General] Tmender:
This, I remember the biggest reason I bought my G2 was due to stock Android. It might not have been AOSP, but was close enough. I kept it running until I got my Nexus, and it was even running 4.2.
[Nexus 4 General] galaxys:
The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!
[Nexus 4 General] ike101692:
lol i hope your right about that one. I just don't want it to be to the point that nexus users get the crap specs from an OEM that is more worried about their flagship. Why should they go all out on a nexus device when they can provide each type of consumer what they want...a version with either their skinned version of android or pure android. Just playing devil's advocate lol...
[Nexus 4 General] Tunderpimp:
Simple there contracted to. If you don't fulfill your contract you don't get paid. To be honest I almost bought a S3 cuz I didn't do much research before buying a phone. The nexus is the best kept secret from none rooters, flashers, etc. Thank god I do tons of research before buying anything and troll xda
[Nexus 4 General] aimcr7:
Galaxy S4 is not the first device reintroduced in the i/o with stock android, back in 2011 or 2010 google introduced Galaxy Tab 10.1 with stock honeycomb in it.

And for AOSP support, not every device shipped with vanilla android in it get an AOSP support.
[Nexus 4 General] intersectRaven:
I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version. :)
[Nexus 4 General] -A-P-M-:
Nexus 4 is based on LG Optimug G. It is almost like a little redesigned Optimus G with Google's software. SGS4 Google Edition isn't redesigned, but also got Google's software. It will be sold through Play Store, it was revealed on Google I/O by Hugo Barra and it was said that it will get updates at the same time as other Google's devices. So like it or not, SGS4 Google edition could be easily called Nexus 5. I guess they didn't want to launch new Nexus only a few months after LG Nexus 4 became widely available.

Nexus 4 is very good phone, the best for its price, but got some problems - thermal throttling, cracked glass on back, which isn't cheap to replace due to internals on backcover, limited internal space and lack of SD cards, camera isn't very good. Other than that, it is very good phone. SGS4 got great hardware, but software is its weak point and I didn't want to get another Galaxy S phone because of that. But now SGS4 Google Edition is very tempting, because finally great hardware will get great software + fast updates.
[Nexus 4 General] CrazyPeter:
The Galaxy S4 Google Edition is not a Nexus device, as much as Samsung fanboys would believe it is.
[Nexus 4 General] tosin01:
Apart from Google calling it the Nexus S4, planning to update it timely and selling it through the play store.
[Nexus 4 General] myturbo1:
I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.

Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
[Nexus 4 General] dex2grigg:
+1
[Nexus 4 General] aneftp:
Google/Android have a confusing agenda of where they want to go with the Android platform.

I guess their agenda is to just throw the kitchen sink at everyone and everything and hope to conquer the mobile platform that way.

I thought they had a certain way they were going to do the "Nexus" line.

Nexus is "pure google"

"Prompt" updates

"state of the art" hardware (with horrible camera..ha ha)

affordable pricing

The Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 (especially with the price reduction of the original GNex to $399 than $350).

I personally do not think the pure Galaxy S4 will be a big seller in the USA. Most Americans are on family plans with post paid services like ATT or Verizon.

Paying full $650 price for a smartphone only makes sense if you go prepaid and have 1-2 lines. Most Americans on post paid have 4-5 lines where subsidized phones make sense.

No one remembers the original iPhone was $499/599. It was not a big seller except for techies or people who have too much money. When Apple dropped the price to $399 it boosted sales quickly.

There is still plenty of money to be made by selling phones below $400. Most top of the line smartphone cost $200-250 to make. So profit margin is still there.

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I know. It costs $200-250 to make a smartphone with high end specs. Even accounting for advertising costs. Their is still $50-100 profit to spare.

I think Google purposely kept the 8GB/16GB with no SD to secure profits.
[Nexus 4 General] cookie1203:
I might have missed something but does anyone else think that the fact Google bought Motorola mobility means they are going to eventually stop dependence on other phone manufacturers? It sucks to build awesome software and have to rely on other companies to put it on. Then said company delays in putting updated software on devices which in turn makes people upset they got android in the first place.

I know kinda out there but i can kinda see how this would work.
[Nexus 4 General] Johmama:
Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.

The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.

Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.

I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.

Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.
[Nexus 4 General] Tunderpimp:
The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone

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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
[Nexus 4 General] sarkozy:
Not really. It's a consumer device in the same arena as the Galaxy series, however Google has failed miserably at advertising and pushing their product due in part to poor management. The same corporate structure that gives rise to things like AOSP is not the ideal format for selling items across multiple countries and cultures. They still cannot definitively say what the end goal is with the Nexus line. If they're trying to steer people into Google services then they need to figure out how to advertise and sell, which in this country means getting in bed with the carriers, and that will not change no matter how much these forums boast about prepaid plans. That doesn't even begin to get into the area of "open source" and how no one outside of this community gives a damn.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] trulegend:
I want to use wifi calling on my AT&T s4, can load Tmobile ROM into my AT&T S4

I want to use wifi calling on my AT&T s4, can I load Tmobile ROM into my AT&T S4 to use WIFI Calling?

thx
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jzun223:
The short answer is no.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] GG2012:
And to add, it's not a software deal. It's hardware/firmware related.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] wavrunrx:
the long answer is:

"No; no you can't."
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ronin4740:
The a$$hat answer is "sure, go ahead!"
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ccldb:
It's not the hardware on your S4, it's just ATT doesn't have the protocol enabled. If you have weak or no signal at home or office, you can try Google voice and pair it with Talkatone or GrooveIP or Mo+ etc etc...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] WhosAsking:
Let me elaborate. The feature is specific to genuine T-Mobile subscribers (MVNOs like SimpleMobile and Family Mobile are out of luck). The program IIRC checks against the SIM to make sure it's genuine T-Mobile, and IIRC it connects to servers specific to T-Mobile at the backend.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] LancerEvoDrifter:
What if I use a T-Mobile Custom rom with a AT&T S4, Im a T-Mobile customer, can I still use wifi calling since i have it enabled it in my plan?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] _eroz:
Yes as long as it is a TouchWiz Rom.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
We have winners! A

T-Mobile customer

with an AT&T S4 can most assuredly use a T-Mobile TW ROM and take full advantage of WiFi calling... Otherwise, no.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] omegajester:
Basically repeating what other said... You CAN, but ONLY if you flash a T-Mobile TW based rom.

If you were expecting to use Wifi calling with an AT&T based rom, the short, medium and long answer is.... No.

Sent from my kawk rocket using advanced nuclear fission.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] mrv427:
So if I load a t-mobile ROM on at&t phone I should be able to use wifi calling. But does anyone know how to load t-mobile frimware on at&t note 3?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] LoopDoGG79:
You have to be a Tmobile customer, because the Tmobile sim and a Tmobile TW ROM are both required to have Wi-Fi calling.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
If you meet all the previously mentioned qualifications for WiFi calling to work then yes it will most assuredly work. As far as the Note 3 question goes; try browsing the Note 3 forums... they'd be much better equipped to give you a correct answer than in the S4 forum. I'm sure the topic has been discussed over there and a simple search would point you in the right direction.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] mrv427:
flashing

I'm thinking of trying out tmobile. I know I need to unlock my note 3. Then flash tmobile frimware. But I've been told that the tmobile

Phones are the only ones that call use wifi calling. I'm sure if I can fully unlock it flash it I can use it on both.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] saud264:
hi all

my friend sent to me a picture message

but i can not see the picture

how can i solve these problem?

:cry:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] ednap:
If you are talking about Nokia picture messages I think that technology is incompatible with the XDA II, only works on Nokia phones

You alternative is to send and receive MMS only.

If I am wrong someone please correct me.

ed
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] RamX2:
Well it's bcz the XDA 1 or 2 does not support the EMS Messaging.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bmoreboy02:
Ok so about 3 weeks ago my son busted my fiances s4 screen. There was a big hoot and hollar about why do we let our son play with our expensive phone in that thread lol. So anyway assurion did not have the phone in stock so i sold her broken one on ebay and bought her another from the sprint store. I called assurion and canceled the claim and even recieved a comformation.

Well fiance gos out to bring my dog in the house and she sees a package from fedex on the hood of her car. She opens it and its a brand new galaxy s4. She calls me and tells me. So i say no big deal ill mail this back to assurion. Well i call them and tell them what happened. They get all my info and cant find anything in there system saying they shipped me a phone. They show a canceled claim thats it. I give her the fedex number showing it came from there address but she refuses to check it. She ask am i sure i didnt order one off the internet and i tell her id be pretty sure if i just bought a $600 phone.

So i then turn my attention to fedex. I call them and say hey you left a package with a $650 phone in it on the hood of my car in my driveway about 100ft away from my house. They call the driver and he says he didnt wana come to my house bc my dog was on a runner. So i give them some crap about leaving it there and that was that.

So now i have a phone sitting in my house that assurion has no information on. It required a signature but was never signed for. Has anyone ever had an experience like this?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] iDoc21:
No, but I sure hope someday I will.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] im0rtalz:
You're really honest in how you tried to return it much respect for that, but after hearing all that maybe you deserve to just keep it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bmoreboy02:
I mean would i like a free phone hell yea lol. But my thing is i dont want the $150 insurance deductible showing up on my bill and i dont want to get a call from assurion in a few weeks asking where the damaged phone is i was suppose to mail back.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] LAYGO:
If it showed up, you do not have to pay for it. You might want to do research, but I HAD HEARD SECOND HAND that back in the 70s, companies used to ship stuff to people, then ask them to pay for it if they didn't return it (think CD "clubs").

I learned this after I had a 2nd poweramp shipped to me . . . and I finally reluctantly returned it . . . THEN learned about the rule/law about not having to send stuff back. RESEARCH IT
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bmoreboy02:
I dont have a broken phone to send back bc i replaced it myself. I tryd to get a label to return it bc all they sent was a padded envelope which clearly says send just the phone back. This box is sealed so i dont wana open it and send them a phone back and keeo the box. Im so pissed at fedex tho im half tempted to keep it and let my son use it as a tablet bc they left it on the hood up my driveway and no one ever signed.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
Dude you're good. You did pretty much everything in your power to do the right thing here, so obviously god is giving you a freebe here. Keep that s***
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] LAYGO:
Doesn't matter if you have a phone to send back or not, they left it without signing, it's all cool in school, keep it. Just leave it boxed up for a week or two. When (and if) they call for it looking for it, play dumb, then ignore their calls.

And again research the law behind mailing you stuff.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mjs2011:
Or if you're really feeling guilty, donate it to a recognized developer. ;)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bmoreboy02:
Lol i dont feel guilty as far as im concerned i did nothing wrong. Im just in amazed how a phone shows up that no one knows about and then the nerve of fedex lol. And im on the phone with the lady telling her to check the tracking number and shes cuttin me off sayin "well i hope ive resolved all your issues today thanks for chosing assurion have a good day" and im like lady are you not hearing me
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Esoteric68:
My advice, since you've already taken the 'correct' steps to resolve this issue, is to keep the phone, still sealed up in the Fed-Ex box. Wait a billing cycle (or two) to see if any charges show up, or if Assurion contacts you again about the damaged device, and then take the appropriate action. If, after a few months, nothing further has been done/attempted by Sprint/Assurion, then I'd consider myself the owner of a new S4.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] LAYGO:
I think she was giving you a hint, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. And if the $150 does show up on your bill, you've got a $650 phone for $150.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] shabbypenguin:
had a similar incident back on tmo with the g2, it is currently sitting on my desk :)

also as teh father of a 2 year old, i happily let her play with phones (not my sgs4 though, she gets mommy's sgs3 :D). there is so many learning apps and she is already so quick to learn how to navigate teh device. i wouldnt take that away from her for the world. screw everyone else and you raise your kids how you see fit :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SAShady:
I've had this happen to me as well. Cancelled a claim on my Evo 3d, still received it with no record of it being sent. Gave it to my girl and was never charged
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Cloaker:
I'd research the laws, keep it in the box for a week of case they call, then I'd own it, root it ;) then I'd call FedEx, and ask why the hell they left it on my car. And tell them you don't appreciate that very much.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] musclehead84:
Totally agree. My 5 year old has been playing on all my phones from the s3 to the note 2. Alot of cool apps for kids on the play store.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] dansan382:
technically you never signed for it so technically you never "received" it lol
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] troyboytn:
To those of you saying to just keep the phone.....correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a replacement come pre-activated, meaning that it can only be used on the phone number that it was meant to be a replacement for? If so, it's still of no use unless to be sold as a bad ESN to be activated on another carrier such as Boost or similar.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] dansan382:
yes they generally come preactivated for the phone its going to but they aren't locked to that line.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bmoreboy02:
I checked the esn on swappa and esnchecker.com they both said its clear
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SAShady:
Doesn't matter, you can still activate it on another Sprint line
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] agat63:
It's not always pre activated.

I have recieved replacement phones from assurion 3 times (dropped mine and broke it).

When ordering the phones I've asked them not to activate them because I don't wanna be without phone day or 2 while new phone is on it's way.

I was activating one of my old phones and waiting for new phone to arrive. Not preactivated.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] dansan382:
of course it would be. the phone isn't stolen so why would it be. if they have no record of it then they obviously have nothing to report missing to begin with. you don't have to use that phone on the line it originally came from. its like car insurance, you dont have to repair the damages but can still take the check and do whatever you want with it. asurion gets paid through your monthly fees and the deductible you have to pay when making the claim