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[HTC Droid DNA] shook187:
Why not just wait for the 22nd instead of doing a impulsive buy of the DNA which isn't going anywhere on the by the 22nd.

It's going to cost you more money to buy the DNA now and have to sell it use for whatever they retail for which won't be much after shipping and ebay fees or whatever you decide to sell it for.

A brand new ONE is going to cost you well over $600 brand new of contract. It makes more sense just buying it for $199 on contract and forgetting about the DNA and its lockdown bootloader.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
You do realize any one varient that is on Verizon's network will have a locked down bootloader too, and likely one that is even more secure.
[HTC Droid DNA] Mnorton1228:
It wasn't an impulsive buy. I took advantage of the free deal they are doing right now because I'm in the market for a new phone. I figured it would be worth a shot and I've kinda talked myself out of selling it anyways. There are two sides to every story however and knowing the craigslist market around here I am fairly certain I could make 500$ off the DNA and I could probably find a Verizon S4 or Verizon One fairly quickly after they are released just because someone will buy one and decide they want their precious Iphones back. That's the thought process I had.

I agree. I'm honestly thinking I'm gonna keep the DNA. Seems like a solid device and not worth the hassle of going through what I was pondering on anyways. If worse comes to worse and I really want root I'll just get it Jtagged in the future.
[HTC Droid DNA] fr4nk1yn:
I bought my DNA from Craigslist for $325. $500 is going to be a hard sell.

But yeah the One will must certainly be locked down tighter and all development will must certainly head there.

With that said I calculated the DNA vs the One and decided on the DNA.

Boomsound and the ultra pixel camera seems gimmicky, the DNA's one speaker is pretty loud, and the camera is just as good. (I compared to a coworkers One)
[HTC Droid DNA] Mnorton1228:
haha you are correct about that. I'd have to sell it immediately and keep it NIB of course. I think I'm pretty much decided on just keeping it. I've been reading enough stuff to convince me that it's still a pretty solid phone. Just wish we could unlock the damn thing.
[HTC Droid DNA] shook187:
I'm not here to trash the DNA because overall it is a pretty solid phone, but to say the ONEs camera and speakers are gimmicky, doesn't make sense to me.

How can hardware with proven results be gimmicky? Just about every review are raving about the speakers and camera.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
You might want to tell your co-worker their phone is broke. Doing a side by side comparison the speakers aren't even close. The one sounds better with more bass by far and a clearer less tinny sound. It's also roughly 50% louder I'd say which is right on par. The camera is much much better. The zoom on the camcorder suffers when compared to the DNA yes, but you might wanna realize the definition of the word gimmick. Real world results aren't gimmicks. Don't be offended because you don't have the best of the best. This is how wars get started lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bujjet:
Updates off carrier (off VZW)

Will a DNA be alerted or be requesting from me updates made available by VZW if I buy the DNA now and take it off carrier? (I am planning to take it to Straight Talk under the T-Mobile plan). Also - what type of options do I have in updating the phone software? Can I update from either HTC or Verizon's website with downloads to my PC or computer? (and most importantly, does S-OFF need to be done to do these updates?)

I've never bought a phone used before like this - the DNA is currently in my budget and the hardest choice for me to make between that and the N4 (only gripe with N4 was the screen size and buttons built into the screen). Anyone with a compelling argument for the N4 I'd love to hear too :)

Re: 500 on CL, yeah it won't happen. Many are available new or like new around the $350 mark. I think anyone who would buy the DNA for $500 would be better suited waiting for the Google S4 and paying $150 more - very very very future proof phone right there.
[HTC Droid DNA] pio_masaki:
My DNA was purchased new from vzw and never use with anyone besides T-Mobile, I did receive an update notice but couldn't update while not on Verizon's network, so I'll say updates won't happen for you OTA from Verizon. As for other methods, I'm not aware of any downloadable updates, maybe an RUU will be released with the current or future software versions.

Tapatalked from my HTC DNA - ReVolt
[HTC Droid DNA] Phaded:
If you are thinking GS4, there is probably a bootloader unlock ready to go. Once guy gets his hands on it, we'll see...
[HTC Droid DNA] mrsato:
LMAO!!!

good point
[HTC Droid DNA] fr4nk1yn:
Perhaps I came off wrong. The DNA speaker is loud and better than any phone I've had to date. I'm not saying It's better than the One but that it's more than good enough, IMO.

Now the camera. The reviews I saw of the One's camera didn't rave about it.

The photos I took with the one, compared to all things my galaxy nexus, showed or had marginally better detail. The rest was comparable. Same angles, subjects and lighting.

The DNA camera is really good in my opinion and according to the reviews.

The Snapdragon 600 is sure enough better than the s4 pro.

My point is the One isn't that large of an upgrade. The DNA with Sense 5 will be incredible.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bujjet:
[MENTION=4630655]pio_masaki[/MENTION] , Thank you so much for that reply, perfect! T-Mob/Straight Talk were my only options (or ATT w/ ST but pay a premium on discontinued sims).

I also have another question important question:...

Is there any way S-Off can be changed back to S-On via an HTC update w/ firmware or software (or any other way)? I ask because I will probably love to use Sense 5 and 4.2.2 and won't be happy if I have to pay another $45 to JTag S-Off for future flashing/upgrades.
[HTC Droid DNA] trickster2369:
No.

From my S-Off DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
Personally jumped on the free DNA promotion for the kids. Really has the best phone screen I've seen. Would have gotten it for myself, but 16gb just isn't going to cut it for me anymore. If they had just put 32gb, I could have lived with carrying a charger/ external battery pack. But for kids that were on dinc2's, its a big upgrade and they are more than happy.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Fstall303:
Hey Verizon preorders are starting to get processed meaning they are shipping out earlier than expected. My card was charged today!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SAShady:
This is Sprint S4 board.....
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] shabbypenguin:
they dont have a forum yet, so i would imagine the logic is their are our cdma brethren :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SAShady:
Touche
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Imaginos:
Just back from posting in the Yankees forum about my Red Sox. Did I miss anything?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Merdinh:
Yea the knicks won their last game.

anyways my phone shipped last night, I should have it Tuesday.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] E The Magnificent:
I was over on the ps3 blog talking about all the latest games coming to the 360 :silly:
[Windows Phone 8 General] sinister1:
At least with windows 7.x you could switch ROMs and side load useful apps, with this safeboot thing and Microsoft's lame attitude to give us more of the features and apps that we want it's no wonder why Windows Phone 8 fourms and blogs are so boring. Way to go Microsoft.:p
[Windows Phone 8 General] DavidinCT:
Agreed. I used to come here every day but, now it's once a week (kind of how it was on PPCgeeks.com). No roms, No interop unlocks, no unlocks period.

If you want more discussion about WP8, I suggest going to WPcentral.com...It's pretty active over there...

I really wish a hack of some type would hit, this is getting old. I just want my custom colors back (like I have with WP7).... Advanced Config I miss you !!!
[Windows Phone 8 General] nikufellow:
Nobody has been able to find an exploit yet :(, but I don't really mind lack of activity in forms though as long as cobwebs don't settle upon the entire ecosystem itself we'll be fine
[Windows Phone 8 General] sinister1:
Yea I agree that WP Central has lost more action going on but it's all the same stuff; I mean how many reviews of itsdagram, Facebook, Angry Birds and Skype can one handle before they get bored.

I always use to wonder why XDA turned into Android forum almost over night; now I know why its thanks to Microsoft. I feel sorry for Nokia though they took a big risk and now MS is being stubborn.:mad:
[Windows Phone 8 General] DavidinCT:
Agreed, it's the same *****ing over there sometimes. Don't get me wrong, it's a good site if you want new and useful Windows Phone news. This site used to be a WM haven, just like PPCgeeks was. As that is all there was at the time, we had WM and BB...they were all mainly used by business people or hackers like ourselves.

WP7.x was pretty hackable after a while (with custom roms for most phones and interop unlock for about 90% of the models) so it was pretty active but, now with everyone moving to WP8 (ex WP7 users and converts) and No hacks yet, it's slowed down to almost nothing.

Android is mostly hackable and most phones have or

NEED a custom rom

, so this became a haven for Android users. And for now, as long as they are not going in this area and trolling, there is no issue with it or at least, I don't have an issue with it.

I do think it's a matter of time, they will find a exploit in WP8. I know why MS locked it down, once WP7 was hacked, it opened the doors for the pirates and some people took advantage if it. Sure there was some cool underground apps but, it just opened the system for the pirates. They wanted to lock down WP8 to make the higher end DEVs come and create the apps and games people want, to grow the system.

Nokia was paid pretty well to make a change to WP and over all they are doing very well with it...and their market is growing.

I'm stil deciding if I am going to pick up the Lumia 928 or stick with my HTC 8X(full price, Not giving up my unlimited data)....Hmmmmm... I just wish I could use Advanced Config to get my custom tile colors back :(
[Windows Phone 8 General] nikufellow:
^stick with 8x at least till Nokia world sometime in September because surprises are on its way ;)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Nicolfa:
Personally I like the very secure nature of my windows phone, I have rimmed more than my share of devices over the years, so its kind of refreshing to k ow this nuts hard to crack. Nokia did take a big risk but I think its been good for both companies. Nokia has done well with exclusive apps in a starved market and there devices are aimed well at a growing group of android overloaded users. With apps like tumble, netflix, Hulu and others coming over the devices are getting more main stream support and with time that will pay good dividends too. All in all I have found little reason to "root" this device other than for the hell of it. They come pretty lean on apps out of box. The biggest thing people seem to be trying to do is get tethering to work without paying out to a carrier for it. Personally if that's basically the reason your wanting to rom so bad, go back to android its far easier get going. I ramble now though, to sum up phone runs great unrommed, clean eco system and very secure setup makes for an all around pleasant device. I think special rimming is more or less unneeded for these devices. Been running unrommed windows mobile 7 and 8 now for about two years collectively. Have android tablets all rommed and a s3 rommed as a backup device.
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Meh... I considered WP7 without hacks to be nigh-unusable, even though I stuck with a stock ROM. No way to have apps open files automatically, for example (but I could manually add the registry entries, and could write apps that knew how to handle them). No way to access the filesystem (but I could sideload Kindle ebooks using homebrew file managers). No way back up app data or messages (except with homebrew). Minimal control of theming (as a class, this was one of the biggest homebrew categories). No real control over multitasking (I like that the default behavior is so conserving of battery life, but sometimes I don't *want* Puzzle Quest 2 or Fruit Ninja to have to go through its entire launch process just because I switched tasks or let the phone sleep for a bit!). Severe limit on sideloaded apps (I have over 30 of them, counting small utilities that that I developed, and not counting outdated versions, redundent apps, or anything else I removed). No listener sockets (though this didn't require a very fancy hack). No C++ code reuse (same as the server sockets). No way to tell how much space each app was using (but there's a homebrew for that).

WP8 fixes many of the worst problems. We can now register filetype handlers (though Kindle still doesn't register .MOBI or .PRC, so no more sideloading my ebooks for now...), use native code (with restrictions, but it's better than the default on WP7), and theme our phones (well, a litttttle bit more than before; still not enough). They added some much-requested features (SMS backup, variable text size, ability to control the browser app bar at least a bit, WiFi on while sleeping, Skype integration) and of course the change in OS brought many other improvements (multi-core, removable SD cards, higher resolutions, etc.). However, it still has some big problems of its own. True multitasking is still very limited. Data backup is still iffy. Still no filesystem access (or ability to do anything outside an app sandbox except the official Settings tools). Still very limited sideloading.

I promise you, though, people are working on it. I'm one of them, and several of the other names you know from WP7 hacking are as well.
[Windows Phone 8 General] DynamicRam:
People like GoodDayToDie & netham45 make the windows forums so much fun to follow
[Windows Phone 8 General] DavidinCT:
Yea but, I am on Verizon....After a release of a model it will take 6 months for Verizon to get a phone that is almost outdated on release.

The 8X is so limited on space that it's driving me nuts, If I find app or game I want to try, I have to uninstall a Paid app to install it. It's getting too old. 8X on format is 11.5gb and the Lumia 928 is 23.5gb, a little over double the space might be worth it, depending on what I can get it for, of course.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Poecifer:
The blogs are dead because places like XDA that centralize around modding your phone to improve performance isn't necessary when WP8 software already performs flawlessly. Go to blogs like WPCentral and the Windows Phone community is alive and well swapping out our black Lumia shells for yellow and talking about games and apps. Pretty much doing what we should be doing on a phone, not repairing phones that came broken.
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Flawlessly? Ahahahahaha

Still no app data backup machanism.

Still no custom themes.

Still no way to sideload XAP files (unless they are "company apps") without a PC.

Still no filesystem access.

Still no way to control the permissions an app has (what if I want to use the app, but don't want to give it access to my camera?)

Still no way remove "Settings" apps.

Still no way to do true multitasking (not the restricted and often crippled things that the official APIs call multitasking).

Still no way to overwrite file associations (you can choose them when opening a file that multiple apps claim to support, but that's it).

Still no way to change the default browser or email client or dialer.

Still no way to install apps to the SD card.

Still have only limited access to Bluetooth.

Still no way to browse, much less edit, the registry.

Still no way to sideload large numbers of (non-"company") apps.

...

Seriously, go look at the list of things that are possible with WP7 homebrew (never mind WinMo or Android or iOS), and then see how many of them are possible with WP8 right now. It's a joke. MS added some (much needed) features, but also took away some things that I think are vitally important, and took away our ability to re-create them for the new OS... unless and until we break it as we have broken OSes in the past.

You imply that WP8 didn't come "broken" and therefore doesn't need modding? Bull.
[Windows Phone 8 General] IzaacJ:
I've been wanting to root/unlock my Lumia for one purpose only, sideloading my own developed apps. It's gruesome to try an app in the emulator all the time, but in a month that will be fixed with an AppHub account. And after that my real purpose for rooting/unlocking is gone.

Always fun to see what's possible on the unlocked device though, code-wise.

Sent from my Lumia 920 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
If there is one thing I do not understand about the new SDK APIs, is why on earth an app can not register itself to open file formats reserved by the system. IMO thats the most retarded idea ever implemented in the history of computing. And to make the retarded thing completely retarded, they made it so most common files are handled by system apps, so you can not override the file association.

I am really wondering what is microsoft going to do about these things. If they really want a marketplace full of games, facebook, youtube and instagram apps, then they should stick to their current plan. WP will never get useful in a broad sense.

I hope the update this fall brings new stuff, otherwise the platform will die soon.
[Windows Phone 8 General] danny8:
Although I don't agree with much of his bill-of-particulars, I have to agree with GDTD's sentiment.

Probably, modders need to correct deficiencies. I'm down with MS or anybody else who steps up. I'm in no hurry to crack my OS open right now, though.

I am especially offended at Microsoft's pitiful PDF reader attempt. And some of the apps in the store make me squint. I want to see the author "Google" emblazoned on my YouTube app, not a third party dev. I sure hope MS is putting these apps under a microscope.
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
The joy of homebrew (and of a developer forum, like this one) is, even if your goals are different from mine, it's possible for you to make your own changes to the device. It's yours; you control it. That's what security *means*, or at least what it's supposed to mean: you (the owner) are in control of what happens.

Ever since the iPhone, though, the trend has been twoards more and more lockdown, taking control away from the device owner and branding this as "security". I don't like it, so I aim to break it. Ideally, we break it in ways that only work with a local attack; I don't want somebody else able to control my device (that really would be the opposite of security)... but I do want to control it myself!
[Windows Phone 8 General] steve10:
Part of the problem is that there have been no updates in recent months. Portico came out, Nokia dropped some new firmwares last month. But largely, nothing has changed in WP8 since launch. Personally, I find that boring. Maybe I should have an Android phone on the side to keep me entertained with updates, but I find Windows Phone much more usable day-to-day.

It has been more than 6 months since the WP8 launch, and GDR1 didn't really add much. Microsoft should have planned to have GDR2 out by now, even if it meant postponing some features for GDR3. I think most of us would rather have small quarterly updates to WP8, rather than a massive upgrade once a year. It's starting to feel like WP7 and the Mango anticipation all over again, now that it sounds like WP8.1 might be delayed into 2014. Hopefully they come through with their vaporware enthusiast program to keep our attention in the meantime.
[Windows Phone 8 General] X0LARIUM:
I agree with the OP. Cobwebs on this side of the section totally. A thread in a week may be? But there is something I often read on many forums. People who are happy (I know it's a very wide term) with their devices, I.e don't run into problems with their devices, see no need to lurk around. So actually, it is a good sign. It shows how well-thought after a WP device is.

And GoodDayToDie, even though I agree with everything u've noted down, I don't quite believe WP needs all of that.

Still no app data backup machanism. - Umm...Data Sense?

Still no custom themes. - Fair Enough, but again, WP IS NOT meant to be themed to the T

Still no way to sideload XAP files (unless they are "company apps") without a PC. - I believe this is for security reasons.

Still no filesystem access. - Why do you even want that when the system is running flawless, (yes the same word u scorned at.)

Still no way to control the permissions an app has (what if I want to use the app, but don't want to give it access to my camera?) - LOL! You gotta be kidding me right?

Android has the worst permission management I have ever seen in my adult life. Android gives wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more information out than any OS out there.

Still no way remove "Settings" apps. Umm..u sure u want that?

Still no way to do true multitasking (not the restricted and often crippled things that the official APIs call multitasking). Multi-tasking is really good with WP8.

Still no way to overwrite file associations (you can choose them when opening a file that multiple apps claim to support, but that's it). - Fair enough, but not a deal breaker either.

Still no way to change the default browser or email client or dialer. - I believe you are again entering the territory of themeing, already replied above. Every OS comes with it's own email client. I don't see the point here.

Still no way to install apps to the SD card. - Fair enough. By far the best point in your list.

Still have only limited access to Bluetooth. - In what way?

Still no way to browse, much less edit, the registry. - Again, WHY? WHy mend it when it's not broken.

Still no way to sideload large numbers of (non-"company") apps - U can download the app(paid or otherwise) from the App store on your computer, put it on the SD card and say install from the Store App on the phone. Simple?
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
The only thing I can agree with you on is the file system, bluetooth, and not being able to override the default apps associations (seriously, the default apps is the most retarded idea ever).
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Sure, everybody has their own priorities. The thing is, if we can get out of the AppContainer sandbox *somehow*, then we can set our own priorities after that.
[Windows Phone 8 General] wazmo:
Now you have to ask yourself-how long do you continue to fish, or cut bait and move on?
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Well, to me it's a hobby. If I get nowhere for too long, I'll probably move on eventually, but I'm nowhere near that yet. My initial testing has not borne fruit but appears to show some promise anyhow; for example, zipview.exe appears to work the same as the WP7 version (people familiar with WP7 homebrew will know what this means) but it runs with lower effective permissions than before.