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[Nexus 4 General] stark_br:
Feeling betrayed...

Nexus is a Nexus and no one other phone should be like it.

And for $649... Damn
[Nexus 4 General] bingunginter:
Awesome news. Bye2 my nexus4. The price is ok, good thing is probably it won't be sell out so quickly like n4 last time.
[Nexus 4 General] Mrboxfacetramp13:
Bit of a steep price tbh :]

Will love and stick to my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] mwilliams05:
The Nexus 4 is by far the better value. I'm wondering if this will have an impact on the future prices of nexus devices and if other manufacturers may try selling phones with stock android on Google Play, with updates from Google. The only way I can really see the Galaxy S4 being successful is if they allow the carriers to sell it in stores (like T-Mobile does with money down and monthly payments). Can't see a ton of people going to Google Play and seeing three phones (8GB Nexus, 16GB Nexus and SGS4) listed and selecting the $649 option unless they really wanted a SGS4 that will get updates from Google.
[Nexus 4 General] veritasaequita:
I'm getting it for sure. ill then alternate phones each few days. it's kinda like owning to many sports cars to me.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
$350 vs. $650

What's the question again?
[Nexus 4 General] Revthejedi:
Makes the N4 look like even more of a slam dunk purchase.
[Nexus 4 General] xxnoelziexx:
I read the leaks and I thought if this happens I am all in for this. I sold my Galaxy s4 for that reason I hate touch wiz. I was holding out buying my second nexus 4 due to the I/O and I have to say pretty happy now the S4 cost me 0 and I sold it for a very tidy profit. Can't wait to put my order in now there was no mention of it being sold outside the US so I will be shopping around.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
It would be nice to see more phones with this option . But to be honest anyone that would want this has a rooted s4 already . Now get me a HTC one with on screen buttons and stock then we can talk
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
I really don't think this is that amazing .... Will get my hopes up for the nexus 5
[Nexus 4 General] revolutionisme:
$649 for S4 no way, they were pricing the phone a premium normally for both hardware and software, but now as the software component goes out of the window(stock android - so no galaxy bloatwares and other features) ... it's only hardware and i don't need more cores ... 4 is enough for me, also ram remains the same. And no plastic feel!!

i will get 2 Nexus devices for that price and compensate for the lack of a girlfrnd. :p
[Nexus 4 General] Mohit12:
Yeah... Uhmm...
[Nexus 4 General] dc211:
Are you guys missing that ALL GSM SGS4's will be able to use a perfect Google AOSP? That's the best selling android phone that now will have access to a perfect AOSP. That's a pretty big deal if you ask me.
[Nexus 4 General] respider:
Is that S4 announced the same as i9505?

So if I buy one today it's very likely I will be able to install AOSP?
[Nexus 4 General] spaceman860:
You can root a s4 and flash a aosp rom

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] dc211:
After having many android phones I can tell you that if it didn't start with a version of AOSP build by google it always has some issues. Camera and Bluetooth being an issue almost all the time.

Just checked and yup the AOSP based roms out for a now have wifi, camera, Bluetooth issues all being reported.
[Nexus 4 General] rubiconjp:
After all the talks about Samsung not mentioning Android during their S4 intro, this is a good sign that Samsung still plays ball with Google. Good for the Android ecosystem.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
Shouldn't we want more stock android phones ? I have had a few friends and family members buy the n4 because stock is so nice.
[Nexus 4 General] stark_br:
This would kill the Nexus lineup.

But, now that they "have sold their souls" to Samsung, let the others (HTC, Sony...) have phones like this as well.
[Nexus 4 General] dxball2:
400...it's impossible...
[Nexus 4 General] dzel:
exynos?
[Nexus 4 General] captaindyson:
The price is not actually 649, they were joking!
[Nexus 4 General] scandalousk:
Yes and no. While stock is nice, it would negate the entire idea of the nexus lineup. The core feature of it was having stock android AND the newest of the newest version of android "instantly". The only downside is you won't have the latest of the latest hardware (not saying the n4 hardware is bad).

But now you've got a phone that's got the latest specs, has stock android and will also be maintained by Google. What kind of message does that send to the loyal nexus supporters?
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
An AOSP HTC One would've been much better.
[Nexus 4 General] Bxrider117:
This is what I believe will happen. Wasn't this discussed before with all carriers having a Nexus device. So maybe there will be a HTC One next. That would make it interesting. I also think that there will be a slight difference in the Nexus line of phones and the stock Android that will make it not as great as buying phones with skins on them and then rooting them and getting to install the stock rom on the skinned phone.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
This right here. Would be awesome!
[Nexus 4 General] captaindyson:
Or at least I hope they were! :P
[Nexus 4 General] Vortex1969:
+1 on that I feel like loyal nexus supporters got slapped in the face. One of the things that made nexus great is getting updates first. But I will be sticking with nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] stark_br:
If something like I marked in bold happend would be different from all manufactures building devices with stock Android.

Have it stock and fast updated is the only feature that makes Nexus Phones different from the others.

Ok, if they want to make the fragmentation a little lower, then open to all not just for one.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
I think that's selfish . To me stock is best and there should be as many chances as possible to have a stock device.
[Nexus 4 General] bentez2003:
Flagship devices running stock android is a great move and good for android in general. it will mean updates to the latest versions for more people who haven't even heard of xda. It will spread the aosp word better than the Nexus brand currently does. I would not have thought Sammy would have made this move over HTC, very surprised.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
What would be nice is if Google used it's power and forced OEM's to include an option in every phone that would enable vanilla Android..

Ala the HTC First. Yes that phone was a bust but with one click you could be rockin pure Android..
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
That would be cool. The old sense phones where like that .
[Nexus 4 General] zephiK:
AOSP HTC One you say.........? http://androidandme.com/2013/05/news/htc-employee-teases-stock-android-htc-one/ ;)

If it was $349... it'd be a seller.

Edit: Update: Jeff Gordon of HTC just sent us the following message, “HTC is not currently planning a ‘Nexus Edition’ of the HTC One.” bah :/

my point still stands if S4 Google Edition was $349.. it'd be a seller
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
I might have went ham
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
If you strip the TW special features then you're paying an extra $300 for what? .3" of screen and a better camera? F-THAT

Nexus it is. No way I'd buy that overpriced crap.

I could buy a camera for less.
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
At that $649 price, it'll be dead in the water, only the most extreme devs and more wealthy people will get it.

Should have been $449 at most.

Definitely Samsung throwing their weight around.
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
:rolleyes:

Obviously for someone who is not being a sensationalist you have the following benefits:

- LTE

- Removable battery

- MicroSD storage

- Bigger screen

- Faster processor

- 13mp camera

- SAMOLED (for those that prefer this)

- Hardware buttons (for those that prefer this)

And yes, obviously you will respond with something along the lines of

"OMG that is crap"

"No way that is worth $300"

"I don't have LTE"

"Nexus 4 for life!"... but for others the above features might be worth the extra $ ;)
[Nexus 4 General] XxSilent22xX:
If the price wasn't so high and they removed the hardware buttons I would buy it, looks like I'll wait for the nexus 5.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] spaceman860:
They said the new s4 would get updates from Google but they didn't say they would get it at the same time as the nexus line. Nexus will see the update before the stock s4

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] ceejay83:
"nexus experience" and "prompt system updates"
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
See the last line of the below picture? That's the only thing I need to hear from Google.
[Nexus 4 General] The Lum:
Is it possible that this is the new Nexus. As in there won't be another nexus/Google phone this year with maybe the exception of an LTE white N4 and LTE black N4?
[Nexus 4 General] ricey1986:
So do prompt updates mean it will get it as soon as the nexus?? And will it have full AOSP support??
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
I think I'll sell my note and get this, it looks like a phone that would be future proof. I wonder if it has the exynos.
[Nexus 4 General] big_b0sss:
it doesn't really make sense to me if Samsung uses the same hardware for google edition of gs4 all the fancy sensors wil be useless on google edition of gs4 becauae on pure android os there is no use of smart stay, scroll, pause and air view

:confused::confused:
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
It says T-Mobile and att compatible which means no exynos. As far as I know
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
They will have all the same sensors it is for developers to make apps that will take advantage of them.
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
According to this

http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-s-4-smartphone-black-mist-16gb-unlocked-247538/

the exynos has support for tmobile and att 1900/850 correct?
[Nexus 4 General] jcarter241:
It does sound very enticing but $649 is too much. If it was even $500 I'd consider it. Now if they did it with the HTC One it'd be too hard to not impulsively buy it.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
The Exynos will not be included as Samsung would have to release the documentation for it so it will work on AOSP and we all know they wont do that. This is the reason no Developer is going after any device with that chip. Not to mention that chip is pointless.
[Nexus 4 General] nature1:
SGS4 GE = Nexus 5
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Not even close
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
The day they start selling Nexus devices for $650 is the day the program dies.
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
OK you're right, but those benefits are not necessary for me I use the cloud. I can't imagine needing faster processing than what I have now and LTE isn't important to me because it's not in my area. The camera would be nice but not worth the money IMO
[Nexus 4 General] sitnlow4life:
If I'm going to spend 649.99 on a GS4

Be better to buy the i9500 at least that has the octocore
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
From those specs its missing support for 1700 and that is a tx frequency on tmobiles network.
[Nexus 4 General] edoson:
After having S1 for 2 years before switching to my N4, I can honestly say that even if they were priced the same, i still wouldnt by the S4.

The AMOLED screen is simply ugly. I used to compare my S1 to the retina and get disgussted... that alone is a enough to not buying it. besides that, I discovered that the SD card is meaningless for my use (and i had 32GB card in my S1 with a lot of music i rearly heard on it) espacially now that i have all this cloud space available.

Buttom line: I would consider HTC ONE in 450$, maybe. but S4? not even in the same price. Im done with samsung and every other poor updating manifcutrer for the next years.
[Nexus 4 General] ike101692:
in my opinion this is a good and bad thing, its good because the galaxy s4 is a great phone already, adding stock android is just a plus. However, i am extremely interested in seeing what google does as far as the nexus program. As far as the S4 GE, i will be waiting, i feel like google has something great up their sleeves or else they wouldn't have pulled a move like this. I guess time will tell...
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
Build quality of Samsung? I think my Nexus 10 is holding up just fine :rolleyes:

Even my Galaxy Prevail, Rush, Tab 7.0, and Tab 2 7.0 had decent build quality... Wonder what Samsung device had bad quality that people seem to go on about.
[Nexus 4 General] Semantics:
649.00? This is Samsung pretending they are Apple, who at least makes a premium device not some plastic POS. The specs are far too close to justify spending 300 dollars more for this plastic phone. I haven't seen anything concrete yet, but I'd be willing to wager that there will be some difference than the TW variant, because Samsung want's to keep that their flagship device, and there will be some features (or lack thereof) missing on the Google variant, I suspect.

What a ripoff, Nexus 5 will be out in several months, and the circle goes round and round. I'll wait.
[Nexus 4 General] m4r0v3r:
wait they want you to spend $649 and you don't even get the full thing? octocore and all? **** that ****.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisrozon:
The whole point of the Nexus program was to push the market towards unlocked stick Android phones. Google will kill the whole program in a millisecond the instant OEMs start playing along, there's no more emotional attachment to Nexus than there is to any other program they ax overnight.

And every SG4 costs that much of contract. I'm sure T-Mobile and AT&T will do their subsidized pricing on this one.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Did you listen to what he said. It will be exclusive to google play. So no subsidized option

So many people complaining about the octocore when it is pointless. It was supposed to help battery and Fundy even do that.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
Please remove thread there is already a thread nexus 4 vs any other phone
[Nexus 4 General] SprMario7:
Yes but now developers have an exact identical device to port aosp from. Hardware is the same as a carrier s4. I'm buying it from T-Mobile and thanks to XDA I'll have a perfect aosp s4 without paying 649!
[Nexus 4 General] huzz:
I think what worries me the most is the fact that this isn't a "world phone" the LTE base bands supported by AT&T and T-Mobile are not universal. Is this a sign of what the next Nexus will be like? Not everyone lives in the US.
[Nexus 4 General] dc211:
If you want it removed you hit the report button. Don't complain in the thread.
[Nexus 4 General] KCRic:
I think this thread is more for discussing the new S4 and what it will offer since from what I've read its going to have everything a developer phone the a Nexus has. Totally different than "my Droid blows the Nexus away bro!!"

I wonder though, will there be a way for a regular S4 owner to reflash it to the GE S4? It seems its the same phone so it should be fairly "simple". Then you could buy a regular S4, format, write, enjoy or flash back.
[Nexus 4 General] mwilliams05:
Since T-Mobile has the new plans where you essentially pay for the phone over the course of two years I think you'll see more T-Mobile customers buying this device than AT&T customers because of how the plans ate structured. If someone wants a Samsung Galaxy S4 (on T-Mobile)and they don't want to have to use an AOSP ROM they could just buy it from Google. Looks like purchasing it through T-Mobile will run around $630, http://explore.t-mobile.com/samsung-galaxy-s4. So there is a $20 difference in price for stock android without unlocking.
[Nexus 4 General] zhuozhi211:
While I wish the future Nexus series remain cheap in price, I have doubt in that - depend on how desperate is the collaborating hardware vendor (like LG).

It is a fact that S4 has better internal components (most notably the screen, and camera). Whether it worth 2 times the price, depend on whether one has extra money to burn.

Regardless, good news to those who already got it or planning to get it with contract.
[Nexus 4 General] huzz:
You guys are going off base. Its the LTE chip that is the reason for the price increase. Also in any case off contract this phone is sold for the same price so why all the whining? Samsung products might be cheap and plasticky but HELLO they've sold more phones than most brands combined so as much as we think our opinion holds a lot of weight lets get back to the reality of things:

1) Samsung is going to sell crazy amount of phones because they just will. They have massive advertising pumped into this and that's what makes the difference and say what you will about Samsung their phones are more expensive to make than the iPhone. I am not justifying the plastic build I am just stating facts.

2) The real reason everyone suddenly finds the Google's version of the S4 over expensive is because the Nexus was sold cheap heck it was practically sold for free. Can someone please recall what prices the Nexus One was sold at?

-Cheers
[Nexus 4 General] Carter0108:
Just look at any other Nexus. The previous phones did cost this much. I agree though that the GE GS4 is too much money when you compare it to a Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] mwilliams05:
That's probably true. The nexus one was sold for around $500+ brand new and that was three and a half years ago.
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
The Nexus One was expensive, but that was then.

Play Store phones has always been cheap, though (until this S4 goes live).
[Nexus 4 General] Goku80:
i think we got spoiled by the low prices that Google has set out with the Nexus line...And i still see the same pattern for this years Nexus 5 and tablets to go.....Great phones with decent specs at the same great price
[Nexus 4 General] frigidazzi:
Yeah I'm pretty sure I paid 529 plus shipping for the nexus one. Best phone for its fine without question.

Now for the vs s4 thing. No one mentioned the lack of wireless charging in the s4. Am I the only one that uses it? Also, a plus for the s4 besides listed above reasons is that there will be a massive amount of accessories for it. I'm still waiting for n4 car dock, and I don't think it's coming at all.

I'm off course keeping my n4 for the price. I wish the manufacturers made there flag ship phones like this s4 nexus thing. I personally still miss the sd and removable battery, but not enough to pay 300 bucks for it.
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
The S4 has wireless charging.
[Nexus 4 General] jiayit:
With the help of an additional cover.

That's like saying the iPhone has wireless charging since you can buy those wireless charging jackets.
[Nexus 4 General] Me Gusta:
An unlocked bootloader was done for the people who do rom flashing. 90% of the ROM flashing people is here on XDA, but 90% of the people on XDA won't get it, because its too expensive.. Take a look at that Google! You will be making a huge mistake!!

Me Gusta!
[Nexus 4 General] fernandezhjr:
How many times does it have to be stated, the phone will not be sold thru the carriers? It will be exclusive to the Playstore. If you want the phone, you pay $649 upfront.

---------- Post added at 08:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:34 AM ----------

The fact that carriers subsidize the price of the phone helps to sell a lot of those phones. The typical consumer is always looking for inexpensive. If they had to pay full list price, many of those phones would not be sold. They would still be going for those flakey multimedia phones. The carriers know exactly how to suck consumers into the smartphones because they are making a killing on data costs.
[Nexus 4 General] qpinto:
i thought about it and no. i really liked my sgs 1 and my g2x, going from the g2x to the s3 was great, however it didnt have that premium feel. once i switched to the n4 from the s3, i havent regretted it one bit. cm10.1 and the other roms were great for the s3 however all of them had their quirks and bugs. for those wanting a pure google experience with sammy hardware, this is the thing to buy.

heck i bought my s3 outright knowing right away id be flashing cm10.1 or another aosp rom on top of it once it was rooted and developed for. steve k said he bought one, rooted it, and had a test build of cm10 on the s3 right after it was released. thats ALL i needed to know to buy the device. All we need to do now is for carriers to actually have the phone in stores and it will sell like hotcakes.
[Nexus 4 General] Rod3:
Can't see how this could be true as technically the Nexus 4 has the LTE chip as well.
[Nexus 4 General] mwilliams05:
I was referring to the regular Samsung Galaxy S4 sold through T-Mobile with the link.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
For a certain baseband
[Nexus 4 General] fernandezhjr:
Then you are considering the two as one, which they are not. The comparison for this thread is between the N4 and the Google edition of the S4. One can not "finance" the Google S4 thru T-Mobile, so I don't see your logic in saying that more T-Mobile users will buy it than AT&T users. They both have to get it from the same source at the same price.
[Nexus 4 General] mwilliams05:
I wasn't considering the two as one as I actually started this thread. I was just stating the difference in the way the carriers plans are and T-Mobile has went to a pricing structure where the customer is essentially purchasing the phone outright with a payment plan ($20/mo for 24 months added to your bill). Whereas on the other carriers the phones are subsidized and there is really no benefit to buying a phone off contract (ie the SGS4 Google edition) because your monthly cell phone bill will remain the same.

My previous post was to show how if someone on T-Mobile wanted this device (didn't want to unlock or root the carrier variant to install a custom AOSP ROM) it would only be $20 more. An AT&T customer purchasing the phone on contract would only pay maybe $200 for the same phone and in their case it would be more beneficial to probably go the unlock, root , install custom ROM route.
[Nexus 4 General] deepayanneogi:
Have google stated that the version will be included into Nexus programme ? because just providing the timely updates and providing AOSP support are two very different things,
[Nexus 4 General] Rod3:
I think you may be confusing baseband and frequency.

Yes, Google killed LTE on the latest baseband, but that was a intentional software mod due to the N4 not being certified for LTE. The N4's current LTE chip only supports the AWS frequency, but a quadband LTE chip is still not $300 more.
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
Google needs to have a financing service for poorer people lol.

-Sent from Marino's Maxx-
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
They do its called a Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] ike101692:
lol made my day with that one. I do think the google edition s4 is over priced, but this is how much unsubsidized phones cost so what you gunna do...i'm hanging on to my nexus 4 and see what google does with that
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
I just got mine today in fact. The phone has everything I want in one and don't see the reason to shell out another 3 hundo for "slight" improvements. I don't know where CPUs and memory will go from here but a 4 core at 1.5 GHz with 2 gigs of ram can handle anything out in the mobile os market with ease right now. So I'll stick with this one for awhile.
[Nexus 4 General] fernandezhjr:
Well, I'm speaking specifically of the typical users that will keep their phone stock. If one is going to flash a custom rom, at that point the significance of which phone you have is reduced and it would make the most sense to pursue the best pricing avenue. However for those that do not root and flash, yet want vanilla android on the device, at this point, they will have no choice bit to buy it from the Playstore, regardless if the are with AT&T or T-Mobile.
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
Which I have, but $649 is expensive for anything, let alone a phone.

-Sent from Marino's Maxx-
[Nexus 4 General] redeuxx:
I don't know why some of you think this would be bad for the Nexus line. It'd be great if there were more stock phones that didn't have to be a Nexus. Talk of more stock phones being nothing but great for the ecosystem sounds like elitist talk to me.