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[Xperia Z General] tonylee2000:
With you on that one!
[Xperia Z General] scorpi786:
Yes just pissing me off now I bet HTC and Samsung don't have this problem i hope someone at Sony is listening
[Xperia Z General] iDroid8:
UK has nothing yet for unbranded devices. Definitely not keen on having a 3 Boot up sequence, nor would I know how to install it anyway.
[Xperia Z General] Stuart5851:
I just installed the Central Europe one and it looks nice and clean, no bloatware
[Xperia Z General] scorpi786:
Ive downloaded it but how would I flash it and then how would I flash back the original uk sim free version when it comes out?

And how would all this affect warranty?
[Xperia Z General] iRimas:
what is bloatware?

what is bloatware?
[Xperia Z General] LosserKlosser:
By OTA?
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
No I think it's from pcc I dl it last night via pcc
[Xperia Z General] sasa3342:
Serbia - generic (unbranded) C6603 - still nothing...
[Xperia Z General] dante2086:
I too just flashed central Europe. It's actually really clean.
[Xperia Z General] therealbroxy:
I came to the Xperia Z from a HTC Sensation, HTC were far worse.
[Xperia Z General] pacoxixon:
Can you see the NFC icon ?..
[Xperia Z General] dante2086:
No, weirdly I can't. But the NFC is working.
[Xperia Z General] pacoxixon:
It is a bug, in the Uk version of the 434 I can see the icon, is arranged as root and changing the build.prop, waiting for the UK version of the 253. ;)
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
How clean, in what way, what kind of apps not related to Google is on the central europe version

Edit and Sony it self

Only got 45 apps in system and all related to Google and or Sony

My version is 1270-7248 R4A
[Xperia Z General] LosserKlosser:
I have two questions:

I'm on stock firmware but rootet. I'm from Denmark and running version .350 and version .434 is available through PCC.

By using PCC will the update available be able to install when my device is rootet, and will I lose root access in the process?

I hope someone is able to answer these questions.

Thanks,

Hvilsted.
[Xperia Z General] dante2086:
All that's there is Sony and Google apps, plus my previous installs. There's the NFC icon bug though.
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
So just like the Danish/Nordic version

Clean as possible on stock
[Xperia Z General] Apollo89:
I don't think that's a bug, I think it's by design. Since NFC only uses a tiny amount of power, most people will have it switched on all the time, so they don't need/want an NFC icon in their status bar constantly. It's not because stock Android shows an NFC icon that Sony has to do the same in their customized firmwares. Maybe they could add an option "Show NFC icon in status bar" for the (few?) people who really want to see that icon.

On topic: still no update for German phones in PCC...
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Well since Sony took over, it's the UK updates that are most delayed. I'm sure the German update will appear soon this coming week.

UK firmware is at least 2 or 3 weeks away. Going by recent history. It was much better in the Sony Ericsson days. UK genetic kits were always one of the first to roll out but Sony mobile UK seems to have other priorities than updates.
[Xperia Z General] californicated:
No update for German XZs? I updated my phone with Vodafone branding yesterday :p
[Xperia Z General] Apollo89:
Actually, I meant unbranded German XZs :)
[Xperia Z General] karahasan:
A bit OT, but where were you able to nab a German Vodafone ROM? I've been looking for one, since a) my phone's firmware is originally a Vodafone DE ROM and b) if I understood the first page correctly, branded XZ's in Germany are already updated.
[Xperia Z General] LBTaylor1984:
I got bored and rolled with the generic European Rom, no probs so far
[Xperia Z General] Roidbeast:
hi,

sorry, my english is bad... i am from germany and i don´t understand the most of your postings....

i have only one question:

is there actually a way to root my 253 with locked bootloader? i read always it is only possible with unlocked bl... but i don´t want to....

thx 4 your answer and greetings from germany
[Xperia Z General] LBTaylor1984:
From England same question as I'm now on .253 and going to .434 and get stuck in a nfc firmware update crash loop so I dunno what to do currently for rooting. As this also stops me installing a recovery which seems the only way to root so it's a never ending circle :(
[Xperia Z General] Hellookit:
Unbranded still waiting in Germany!

Now all Branding XZ in Germany got the updates!

FAIL!
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Still nothing in UK unbranded here via PCC/OTA - are we even to expect anything during the weekends anyway?
[Xperia Z General] gdavidoff12:
@Hellookit

Same thing happens here in Bulgaria! All branded phones have update... I don't know why it's taking so long to release the update for unbranded phones....:confused::confused::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
[Xperia Z General] Hellookit:
I wrote to Sony support, with the question why unbranded get update later than with Branding!

Want the answer from the Sony support!:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Most support agents don't know anything about updates and will just feed you a load of rubbish. Don't expect to get a useful reply :D
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
I don't think UK unbranded will appear anytime soon. I think we're looking at a 2 week wait at the very least unfortunately.
[Xperia Z General] ron3000:
well i think it's wrong why they don't jus release the update for everyone like apple :confused:
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Yeah very disappointing really, kinda given up waiting now lol.

Don't understand why the unbranded users get it last :rolleyes: I am happy with the phone overall though, but with the updates everyone keeps talking about I know it will be almost perfect for me. Just wish I had the opportunity to play with it now on my days off!! :p
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Who knows, Sony's update roll out certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Like I've always said, their problem has never been about the lack of technological know-how but one of philosophy. They're slowly waking up to the fact that the smartphone is now the world's flagship electronic device and as such are now beginning to set things up to cope with that.

Taking 2 to three months to roll out an update is to put it simply painfully poor but we live in hope for change tomorrow.

I'm already resigned to the fact that the update story for the Z will read similarly to that of the S.

Luckily for the Z, since the coming of JB, there's been no pressing need for updates so I don't think the fury will reach the heights of the X10 or S.

I think right now, they're just trying to get the hardware right. Support still seems an after thought. In fact I think with all that AOSP business, they're basically saying to consumers, do it yourself if that's what you want.

Hopefully one day, they'll realize that getting the hardware right is only one half of the battle. Software support is almost equally as important.

We are dealing with a company that's been doing business a particular way for decades and now face fundamental changes because of the rise of Android.

As we all know, change isn't something individuals do easily never mind large corporations. It'll come eventually, they'll just drag their feet as long as they can.

I could spit out the easy line and say I'll never buy Sony again. Blah blah blah! But the truth is, they make devices that appeal most to me.

We just have to deal with the frustrations and hope the improvements come sooner rather than later.
[Xperia Z General] Sticky F:
Couldn't agree more. Poor show Sony
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Seriously think it will be a long wait, it's not even updated on their website the latest firmware.

They could at least provide an explanation, rather than leave those of us who are waiting wondering why we haven't got it yet. Even a release date would be handy instead of us hoping/guessing
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
Just days, and if it is not ready it's not ready. For all we know the guy that signs off your one might be off work.

I'm just glad when an Update exists. Unless there is a major problem these things do not get pushed out quickly.
[Xperia Z General] scorpi786:
Flashed to the stock European Rom so far so good
[Xperia Z General] gh1234:
Not releasing software to everyone at once is actually not a bad idea. Sony develops a new firmware and the support team tests it for a while, bugs get fixed and the update is being rolled out to all of us. The first users who get hands on it are actually some sort of beta testers, even though the software has been proved to work for Sony's testing team there might be one big thing that they didn't notice.

In that case they could stop the roll out and distribute a hotfixed version without making every user who uses feature XY angry.

I guess we will receive the update very soon :) Cross your fingers the weekend is nearly over.

BTW: just flash one of the ftf Files when you feel like doing so.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Just saw Adrian's review of the Zs New update and I must say it looks impressive.

Big improvements to the display, better colours and not a tint in sight. The camera performance looks much improved as well. The ui too, although since the .434 update and the update to the weather widget, mines been running pretty smoothly. Can't see room for much noticeable improvement there.

Makes me wonder just how high the Z could have risen if it launched like that.
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Yeah you are right, it is just pure frustration hearing all these improvements from a lot of people & not being able to experience for myself you know? :p Fair do's it's only just come out, but Uk always seems to be last. Probably due to it being one of the countries where more of the consumers are so then if any bugs are found, less likely people will complain, as you have said. Which I agree.

Anyway, nobody is correct, whether you think it's right to wait or not as it's all down to a matter of opinion & we all have different feelings towards the different release times. I figured a discussion forum would be appropriate to share my point of views that's all ;)
[Xperia Z General] Alomo1990:
Maybe, we "unbranded" user get 4.2.2 soon and just skip .253? *hope* :fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
No :)

▶C6603
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
I don't think using consumers, no matter where they're from, as beta testers is a good idea.

The update should, in an ideal world, be released at the same time for all or delayed for all.

Now that I've seen it reviewed, I'm actually more interested in it now. I find myself of late being only really interested in news about Honami but that's just because of the rumored camera specs I think.

The Z still has a lot of fight in it, in fact, this update says it's only just started. Foolish of me to start lookingb only to Honami for improvement.

There's still more to come for Z!
[Xperia Z General] tonylee2000:
So just to add insult to injury, the Sony UK website is now displaying that the latest version of the firmware available is .253 but there is still no update available to my unbranded XZ on O2 through PCC or OTA. Guess that means that the update is imminent but someone updated the website before they actually pressed the button that makes the update available to those UK users still waiting. How extremely incompetent, unprofessional and totally unacceptable for a consumer facing organisation with the size and (ahem!) reputation (?) that Sony carries.:eek:
[Xperia Z General] alexp999:
Yeah has definitely changed to .253 on the Sony website now for UK:

http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/software/phones/xperia-z/

Just checked on my unbranded handset with SUS, PCC and OTA and nothing at the moment.
[Xperia Z General] frankie99969:
i would doubt they update each country's website individually, it does say above it it varies from country and operator, i'm impatiently waiting too but i don't think this is a mistake. I'm annoyed that there's rumours the htc one will get 4.2 in a 2-3 weeks, despite being released a month later than the z
[Xperia Z General] alexp999:
HTC are no better, my last 2 handsets have been HTC and they are just as bad.

It is probably swings and roundabouts, sometimes HTC will be quicker, othertimes Sony will be quicker, Samsung, etc.

Sod's law will be that you have the handset which is behind, lol.
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Actually think it's a good thing that the website has changed to 253 because only last night when I checked it was still on 434.

Look at it as a sign that it's on it's way to us unbranded users? Hopefully?:fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z General] ron3000:
there are also rumors that the gs3 will be getting 4.2.2 also
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
People need to a grip, if you have no PC you would still be waiting on an OTA not knowing when it would even come.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
+1 The impatience of people nowadays knows no bounds. It's sad, but there is a culture of wanting everything now, now, NOW!

The people foaming at the mouth over a small delay in release of updates for their region (mine too actually) need to be happy that bug fix releases are even being pushed out at all.

I have had devices that received updates yearly, if at all. (I'm glaring at you, LG Optimus 2X!)
[Xperia Z General] RoberM:
I was tired of waiting for the UK version, so i flashed Central Europe one, some days ago.

UK guys, if you are really impatient, just flash kernel, baseband, fotakernel, and system using flashtool,

without

wiping anything, with any of the already available FTF's

Then, when UK version is out, just do the same if you want, but you only need to flash System. (again without wiping anything)

You will keep your data intact, it is a 2 minutes job each time, and you will enter the heaven of .253 earlier than the rest of your local friends.

Anyway, i think i will stay on Central Europe version from now on, it is the same as UK with less bloatware, it doesn't show NFC icon when enabled, but you can enable it in build.prop, or let it as it is (more free space in notification area)
[Xperia Z General] alexp999:
I'm not impatient, just excited as it is looking to be a good update.

I didn't know we weren't able to get excited about stuff anymore, this thread was setup so we could track the rollout of this update and that is exactly what we are doing.

The UK page changed over the weekend to show the new update and we are keeping everyone in the loop. This thread has become a single place to talk about it, instead of having a spawn of multiple threads everytime someone asks the question.

Please keep off topic comments out of this thread. Thank you :)
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Being excited is fine and discussing the rollout is great. I do check this thread myself for updates on the release ;)

Complaining that other regions have it first or other devices get updated faster and saying Sony is useless is impatience :)

Besides, I was posting in general to the people complaining, not necessarily directly to you or the people providing and discussing useful information. I thought my post made that clear.

As for off topic, HTC and Samsung's update schedules surely fall into that category, no? :D
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
As far as I'm concerned, if there is a reason to moan, then people should be allowed to do so.

You may be happy with the update schedule and process, others aren't and are entitled to say so.

Warning to those who aren't happy with the status quo, judging from the number of devices already released and those in the pipe line, I think Sony will remain behind its main competitors as far as updates go. I think it's best that we reconcile and make peace with this now otherwise I see a repeat of what happened with the S on the cards. Really don't think 4.2.2 is anywhere near the horizon for the Z. This time last year, we had official word as to when the ics update for the S would begin. Add to that the fact that Sony still has unfinished business from 2012 namely the JB update for S, Ion, and SL, I really don't see 4.2 hitting the Z anytime before middle of q3.

In the high end segment, Sony's lagged behind Samsung and HTC quite badly since last year and it doesn't look like that's going to change this year. The HTC One getting 4.2 before the Z is no surprise, that was always expected but what would be really sad is if the S3 and note 2 get it ahead of the Sony. That really would piss me off. Well it happened last year with the S2, really really hoping it doesn't happen again this year because that would mean that Sony still haven't budged even an inch on software development.
[Xperia Z General] Ricochet23:
Same for germany. They also changed it to. 253 on the website. It says release date may 17th. Yet nothing
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
Fact is, If we weren't beta testers, and given how good reports are of this update compared to the first, the phone would have be first released in June, you're using a beta version right now.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
So, you had problems getting updates from Sony previously, then decided to buy another Sony device. Your right to complain went out the window right there :D If it was such a huge issue to you, then you should have voted with your wallet and purchased from a different manufacturer.

I'm not saying that long delays are acceptable (they are not, flagships should be treated as such and supported properly). However, this is at least the second 'bug fix' release in 3 months for the Z, yet people are here whining that it's taking a few weeks or even days longer than other regions to reach their device. It is simply nothing but impatience and does nothing to change the situation.

Again, this is not aimed at those providing or discussing relevant information. :)
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Don't understand the context of what you're saying. You're assuming the colour tone of the phone was an error and not a judgement. Same too for the camera performance.

If we are all beta testers, then surely the updates should still be rolled out to all at the same time or are some more beta testers than others.

Not sure I follow what you're getting out.

---------- Post added at 12:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 PM ----------

Hang on, the discussion had strayed to the 4.2.2 update and I was merely pointing out the fact that Sony has lagged behind others now for a while on updates. Why you taking things so personally. If anything, my post was trying to inject a bit of realism into the discussion because I'd hate to see a repeat of what happened last year. All that anger and frustration that dogged the S. I was trying to get others to accept like I have that for the time being, Sony updates would lag some way behind that of its competitors so as to avoid the same chaos that followed the S when the inevitable wait begins.

Again I ask, why are you so defensive? You call people impatient. How many people have waited for the update to hit their region. Many have flashed software from other regions. Which Rom are you using I wonder? The people whom you call impatient are actually the ones waiting for it to hit their locale. You know! The patient ones lol.

I think you're confusing excitement, anticipation with impatience here kiddo!
[Xperia Z General] DerHerrStefan:
Its definitley my last Sony Phone. The update policy ist the worst you can find. I took now for germany the german t-mobile version of .253 and it works fine for me. The bloatware is almost removeable, and the NFC icon is there, where it should be. At start of selling the XZ, Sony pomised to kick off Android 4.2.2 at the beginning of mach....now we have the middle of may and an other update for 4.1.2 was released. Sony release one phone to another and the fimware is always all other than stable and usefull. They should invest their money and time to the phones which are on the maket and satisfy their customers, who has bought a very expensive model at the beginning of the year. My next device will be a Samsung, although i love sony, and i have a lot of equipment from it, but this is no longer acceptable.
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
I'm just saying people complain about needing the update as soon as possible but bought a phone with glaring issues from the start and didn't take it back. Sounds like people had patience to wait with the phones flaws not knowing when they would be addressed, and now they do know they have been addressed they seem upset someone else gets them 3 days before them and counting.

Just be glad there is an update, you will get it, it's not going to sell out like Olympic games tickets, you'll be ok!
[Xperia Z General] alexp999:
In summary then,

We are all excited to get this update, while understandably frustrated that it is coming to branded devices before ours. Slag Sony off as much as you like, it will be no better with any of the other manufacturers of handsets.

We all just need to calm down, put our frustrations to one side and use this thread to post the progress of the rollout so we know when we can update. :)
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
I'm not defensive in the slightest lol. It's called having a discussion. Seems you don't like people disagreeing with you. That's generally what happens in a discussion.

You chose to directly quote and argue with my post, so I responded. Nothing more.

As for confusing excitement and anticipation with impatience, I suggest you look up the meaning of impatience in the dictionary. Whining and crying over a few weeks delay is the very definition of impatience. If it was months, then it might be understandable. FYI, I am and was talking about the 253 update, which is the focus of this thread, not the 4.2.2 update. You are the one that brought that up.

Finally, I must address this - "kiddo". Generally, I find the people that try to imply those that disagree with them are a child or lesser than themselves in some way are, in fact, themselves still at school/college or just need to do some growing up. It basically reduces your credibility to zero. Just a piece of advice for the next time you want to try and sound clever :D
[Xperia Z General] noj78:
We do need to be patient it will come soon!, But I do understand the frustration. The only reason I left the Nexus range was for lack of storage, but I do miss the fast updates and massive dev community, but unless u buy a Nexus you have to live with it. I am;)
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
My point was kiddo, the people you're having a go at are actually the ones waiting for the update.

Their anticipation and excitement for it might get the better of them at times but they are waiting. Not really as impatient as you say.
[Xperia Z General] frankie99969:
i just want to know why branded devices would get it before us, im sure they wont tell us but it makes absolutely no sense
[Xperia Z General] noj78:
It makes no sense to any of US but I'm sure Sony has their reasons.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Ignoring the fact that you're still trying and failing to be condescending to me, I suggest that you go back and carefully read my posts. Reread them if necessary until the words sink in :)

If you do, you will see that I specifically say, more than once, that I was only addressing the people that are moaning and calling Sony useless because the update has not yet arrived in their region a few days after release. You know, the actual impatient ones.

I have no problem with the actual useful info in here, in fact I find this thread quite useful.

FYI, this is the last time I will respond to you as I don't like repeating myself, so feel free to get the last word in, if you must. :D
[Xperia Z General] noj78:
Thank F@#@k that's over;)
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Don't intend to do that at all. I can only respond to your comments to me. In them, you clearly tried but failed to insult anyone who wasn't happy with the update roll out. You still haven't answered me question to you, which Rom do you have installed on your phone?

Before you call others impatient, answer that question to begin with.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Right, actual FINAL time I respond to you-

I know, I know, "but, but, but, you faked it!"

Have a nice day now ;)