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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zequav:
1. AND, there doesn't seem to be a way to remove those "frequently contacted" entries. I was getting several duplicate contacts I couldn't merge, so I decided to removed ALL my circles and clear ALL my contacts on the web; then cleared data in contacts/contacts storage/hangouts/google plus, and STILL I see the same "frequently contacted" entries. The People app is empty, Google plus says I have no contacts... so where the hell are these "frequently contacted" entries stored and how can I remove them?

This is ****ed up. I wish google consolidated all these separate contact databases into a single one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] karankumar:
There are tons of reasons an availability status is handy. Why would such a concept exist of it were as simple as "if they're busy they'll get it later". For example, if i see a person is busy on chat, i might decide to send them an email rather than annoying them with a popup. Another example, if they're idle, maybe i need to contact them urgently so i will decide to give a call instead of an IM.

There are probably many, many more scenarios and Google shouldn't have omitted this from hangouts. I used hangouts for half the day and it annoyed me. Im back to talk now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
I just got an update to hangouts. I dont see any changes though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
I'm sure it's just a fix for the manifest error that prevented installation on tablets.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
Well I think this will make a lot of people happy...

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/16/4336910/google-sms-integration-coming-hangouts
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] deepayanneogi:
Cmon guys, its only ver 1.0, it has a long way to go before it becomes a truly unified chat client.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ferozfero:
Exactly I don't get it. Don't people see the good things Google offered. Like they released most of the stuff they announced the same day itself. And the cross platform thing and. All they see are the things missing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
I think its mainly the fact that they replaced something we already used. If it was a completely different app that didnt interfere with what we were already used to and used, I dont think it would be as big of a thing. I dont mind the app, I just have to get used to it and know they will update it later on.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ferozfero:
Of course they'll update it. Google updates all their MAIN babies. Look at Google plus now.(two in one). Also if it was a different app , it would defeat the purpose of the whole unified thing. Also thing Google knows an app upgrade isn't gonna drive away Google talk users as much as it attracts
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
I'm not saying that. I'm saying this new app replaced what people were used to. People dont always like change. I know Google will update it and it will eventually be everything everyone wants it to be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I guess its just me, but absolutely none of those seem like valid reasons. It's just another medium of communication! Obviously if you need somebody urgently, dial their number. Who really puts that much thought into how your going to contact somebody? We aren't talking about smoke signals and ravens. I dunno maybe its just cause I'm too old to just sign on to an "IM" and see who's available and have a random conversation with whoever is online just to kill some time. That is absolutely something I use to do as a pre-teen or teenager.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
You all need to ****in chill for couple days, use the app and then have an opinion about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ferozfero:
Larry page said that yesterday. That people don't like change. But I don't think that's gonna change Google from taking bold decisions . googles the new apple.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
Google just enabled the new Hangout chat in my Gmail today, and I've got to say it's way better than the app! The contact list is fairly clean, and the active users are at the top and have a green bar under their icon. It's not perfect, for example there are still some duplicate users for some reason but I can certainly live with it. If they fix the app so it works more like this it will not be too bad.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
I know how you feel. I updated my Google talk to hangouts and the contacts are a real mess. Like someone slung poo inside the Google talk app.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
I did, and it still sucks. It's not as useful to me as Talk was. Videochatting on a phone doesn't make sense. I need to start a video call to begin a voice call. How stupid is that? And requiring people to join a social network just to send photos? How sneaky is that?

This app needs a lot of work, and Google needs to understand that people don't want basic features used as bait to get them to use G+.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
Dude, uninstall the update and use Talk until Google figures out we do not like the update.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
Iťs not a social network, it's an identity platform, just like gmail but more powerful.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bagl0312:
I am also not very happy with hangouts, especially because it is difficult to see who is really online and because of the long list of useless contacts.

If google improves the above things I think hangouts would be already better than gtalk
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
That's what I did. However, its only a matter of time before Talk is gone for good.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Japhies:
I am also having a lot of problems with hangouts I am afraid

Contact list is a mess, can't even see where some of my contacts are coming from.

Status missing

No file transfers

No Voice

etc

But my main concern is privacy. I use Gtalk for a very small group of people (work). Gmail had a setting which you could activate in order to have only approved contacts in you list. It seems like pretty much everyone can message you now and start a hangout with you as long as you are using hangouts. That is just wrong. I get enough notifications as it is...I don't need more people contacting me on my phone :(

See my attachment of the chat setting changes in Gmail. Funny thing is, I have been seaching the internet thinking a lot of people would have a problem with this but hardly found anyone mentioning it :-/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shriom_manerker:
im loving the new ui and the new features :) working just fine for me ! i hope whatsapp does a similar ui overhaul ! it looks amazing and its faster and simpler to use :) at least for me :P dono why you guys hate it so much
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
To start a voice conversation only: You have to start a video chat with that person, but before he picks up, tap the speaker icon and change it to earpiece. Video camera will close and you will see your profile picture instead.

People, send your feedback to Google! Tap on the top right corner and select "send feedback". We want a VOICE ONLY icon right next to the video icon.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Japhies:
Why? Every post in this thread pretty much explains why .... :)

I don't hate, I just do not like the way Google is pushing people towards Google+ and removing privacy options and other features in the process.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] niamul:
I miss the simplicity of gtalk.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
All I wanted was a GTalk with lots of extra features. They gave us features and took some away, too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chrisdf:
how do i add all my contacts? i can only see 3 contacts, but in the gmail chat interface i can see them all.

and how do i know if those contacts are online or not?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bryan314:
If a contact has multiple gmail accounts there's no labels, just multiple icons. No way to tell if it's their school, work, or personal account. Frustrating.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mvlamberti:
Confused...

I'm with you guys on the real issues, but I'm not hating this app exactly. I like the interface, I like the animations, the kid in me loves the emojis, but I'm just a little confused with some things. I can't find a clear explanation as to why my normal Google Talk contacts are not listed as Hangout contacts. I don't see 90% of the people I talk to regularly in my contact list whether using Hangouts in Gmail, Google+ or the app. Am I just missing something? I'd like to see ALL my Google Talk contacts in both the app and the web interface. Furthermore, when in the old Google Talk layout in my Gmail window, I'd rather not see the actual profile number listed as a contact instead of their name.

Starting today, I've no longer been able to receive IMs to the app. They come in through to the Gmail/G+ web interface just fine, but just refuse to hit my phone. If I send a message from my phone, I can see it appear in the web interface... Killin me Smalls!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
Please send feedback to Google and just uninstall the update until they fix all the problems.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wlld1:
Main problem that it is not xmpp Talk at all. Hangouts is completely different service. And unfortunately talk will not present at 4.3 :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bagl0312:
If it's not xmpp compatible, what about the gateway with AIM? I suppose it would not work anymore

Inviato dal mio Nexus 7 con Tapatalk 2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
I love the new Talk. Finally I can send images through the chat. My gf and I use talk all the time and have to resort to sending pics through gmail. This makes it so easy. Plus her iPhone client picks them up, although she can't send yet until they update the app. Its 3rd party because there wasn't an official Google Talk app. Im not sure if Hangouts is officially on iOS but I'd love it of it was.

The only thing I dislike is the contacts. I don't want my whole phone book in there plus Facebook or Google+. I only want contacts that I chat with. I had a short list on Talk but now I have to scroll through a huge list to find someone. Also I think I lost a few who were Talk-Only.

I've been waiting a long time for an update to talk. So I'm happy. I'm sure it will iron out and be tweaked as we go.

I'd also like to see a feature to send video messages. I travel a lot and we use talk to video chat... But its hard to both sync up sometime. It would be cool to video "chat" without making a video call. So she can record a little message and it would be waiting for me whenever I got some free time. I don't need live video every time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] -Jesco-:
hangouts its official in iOS , i use it to talk to people when my phone is out of battery then when my phone is charged , i'll use my phone . One plus point is that i can change devices with the chat active and not disrupt the flow of the chat . :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bagl0312:
I Just verified it: AIM compatibility is gone, unfortunately. This is really bad for me, since I had many contacts using AIM (especially on MacOS) who were reachable with gtalk (and vice-versa). Now I have to use again an external chat client to see them: in practice Hangouts is much more "closed" than gtalk :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] castaway1:
Its just me or hangouts cost too much RAM?

https://plus.google.com/u/0/106590215548240805185/posts/U8v7dRCSZv1

Pros:

- option to share TO conversation (i can share for example URL to conversation by share button, i thing it was not possible in gtalk)

- pictures and smileys in conversation

- i see if contact readed my message (if he is typing right now)

Cons:

- no way to check online status (green, orange, red status / phone/PC status)

- mess in contacts that have google talk or just contacts with only phone number why there are those?

- no way to sort contact for example by online status/ dont show circless in contact list or so.

- messages dont show up instant on devices. So if i using hangout on PC then run away from home with my phone messages come to PC but not on phone. So im unable to read them in "real time"

- no way to change status message

- i think too much RAM usage.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Watch out for the Gmail version of Hangouts as well. It messes up stuff too.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/19/4...st-google-voice-calls-gmail?utm_source=feedly
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dustrho:
I'm feeling the same problem. I don't want to have my ex-wife showing up as a favorite here, because she sure's hell ain't no favorite of mine.

Hangouts = fail

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
It's on iOS yes.

Also you can type to find people faster. The 6 most contacted people will be at the top as a icon anyway after time.

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It closes after a while, same as G+.

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You do realize this sounds kinda retarded right ? If you correspond a lot with a certain contact, why the hell wouldn't the system think it's a favorite one ? Unless in your scenario you contact less then 6 people and she's one of them there, because it displays 6 contacts.

A solution would be to delete her contact, if you did talk to her, don't talk to her NOW and don't want her as a favorite EVER.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dustrho:
I have many people I correspond with and yes she is probably one I correspond with the most, but that's only because we have two wonderful kids together. However, I don't want her showing up as a favorite of mine, because I don't want to see a big picture of her and my fiance doesn't like seeing her picture there either (I don't blame her). Plus, it should be up to ME who is listed as a favorite, not Google. For being an open platform, Google sure doesn't give us much control or customizing options with the apps they develop.

I hate this new Hangouts app. Why can it just be a simple app like Talk which was working perfectly?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
Well your case is one of the 1% out of 99% where this doesn't work. While I agree with you that some kind of the removal would be good, it would open another can of worms and solutions needed to be implemented in the background. What if someone deletes by mistake? What if I want to re add the contact? Will the system readd the contact after a while or stop ?

I believe the Hangouts are a good step into the direction that technology should get out of the way, but it's maybe too soon for it since they'll work on it.

Gtalk was an old system which they couldn't work on anymore that's why everything's getting replaced by G+ identity layer. The sooner gmail users approve of the new identity, the better the whole platform experience will be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dustrho:
That might be good for most, but think for a second about the People app on our phones. Does that automatically mark those you contact the most as favorites? No, that's a manual process you do with the contact on your phone. I'd like it to work the same for Hangouts and any other app that uses the contacts listed in the People app. It can make suggestions if it wants, but give me the ability to either let it do it all on its own or let me pick/choose who's a favorite.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
The two people I contact the most (my girlfriend and my sister) dont even show up in the frequently contacted list. So I dont know how the app is gathering this info. I even went into the people app and cleared the frequently contacted list but it didnt do anything.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zequav:
Exactly. The "retarded" thing isn't not wanting to see someone in that list, madd0g, it's assuming that google knows better than the owner of the freaking phone. There are lots of ways to implement a "favorites" list, and the one chosen by google is stupid. I'm ok with google putting some frequently contacted people there, as long as *I* can edit it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zequav:
BTW, I can tolerate the "frequently contacted" issue, because in my case it is more or less accurate, but I HATE the duplicated contact problem (see attached screenshot). The second and third contacts in "frequently contacted" are the same. The first appears online, the second appears offline (??), as you can see in the screenshot. I can make the second one dissappear if I remove his secondary (non-gmail) email from the contact entry in my contact list (in android or in gmail). But as soon as I re-add it, it comes back. And I NEED both email addresses for this contact, since one is for work and the other is personal.

This happens with two other contacts, but for the rest, having several email addresses (gmail and non-gmail) is not a problem; they appear as a single contact in hangouts, as they should.

WTF, google? What kind of crappy DB organization do you have?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
That would be a good implementation yes. But for that to happen, Google would need to bring this G+ as identity integration even to the People and Dialer or replace the Google Contacts with the G+ contacts as the default database. I actually can see this happen eventually in the future, since for now the data seems to be duplicated as they both co exist.

The problem with that will be the users who are already against G+, seeing it as "another social network".

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See my post up.

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I assume they set this as "contacted most via Hangouts" and not the rest, as they don't see the data from other providers like existing Google Contacts. See my post up.

To kinda summarize all this debacle is, that Google did what they always do - ship a beta product and piss people up lol. I'm not actually surprised, since they roll like this all the time and it's their way to do things and make some changes. But I get what they're trying to do in the long run and I'm all for it, even if it takes some teeth clenching for a while.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] danijel00:
I really don't understand why google destroyed such a nice thing like talk and replaced it with this?! They tried google+, google wave etc... and still didn't learn :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
That about sums it up. RAM usage is increasingly becoming a problem on my GN, Chrome is way, way bigger than the Android Browser and now Hangouts is way, way bigger than gTalk. I both look forward to and dread the pending Maps update since I'm assuming that will also balloon in size.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
Wait four more months on to the next Nexus

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
Basically that's why new phones ship with 2GB.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
You'll end up getting the Nexus 5 anyway, and Android 5.0 will probably be more intelligent about RAM usage.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
But I only talk to one person with Hangouts. lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I used talk for a select group of people. And now my whole contact list is listed in hangouts. :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bombadier:
I keep getting a force close when trying to start a video chat,any ideas people?

Seems it was installed as a system app and I needed to extract a lib,job done alls good.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Japhies:
My problem as well, still don't know how to deal with this problem
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] devadvance:
How is there a 9 page thread lamenting the changes that came with Hangouts and how different it is from Talk?

Contact issues aside (that's a Google+ issue which is a whole separate discussion), everyone seems to be saying that they want a whole bunch of features that have been traditionally "instant messaging" features, like detailed online status/availability, XMPP support, and more. Hangouts is not an IM platform; it's a combination of Facebook messaging, WhatsApp, and iMessage. No one complains the lack of true instant message features in those platforms because they're not IM platforms.

Hangouts isn't an upgrade to the old instant messaging platform that is Google Talk. Its a step in a seamlessly connected device space, and you can't patch things like AIM compatibility or the option to not use a Google-based identity, a la Google+, into a refined system. It gets messy and ineffective.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zequav:
Huh? Because it is REPLACING Talk? Of course people is going to lament missing functionalities that we've had since the ICQ days, especially if (as I fear) Hangouts are forced by 4.3.

Then it should not replace Talk. It should be a separate app (a la G+ Messenger).

Of course it isn't. Right now it is a big DOWNGRADE. Picture attachments and a bajillion emoticons are not enough to compensate the inability to edit the contact list/contact details and see the status of connected people.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
Well what the hell is it then? Because Facebook messaging, WhatsapApp, and iMessage are all IM platforms, so logically the combination of them would also be, would it not? And, for the record, Facebook Messaging is the only one of those I have experience with and it manages to have the features Hangouts screwed up on. It shows clearly who is online, and who is on mobile, and it gives complete control over who shows up in your list.

That's all just meaningless nonsense. And no one is saying they don't want a Google-based identity. We wouldn't have been using Google Talk in the first place if that was the case.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bleets:
I installed hangouts, spend 5 minutes scratching my head, seeing if there was a way to get user statuses, contact list from gtalk etc etc...uninstalled the updates.

now annoyingly it's forever sat in my installed apps wanting to take over if i ever happen to click "update all"...

It'd be nice if somebody takes the gtalk app and makes it standalone should it ever disappear with no way to get it back :/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Langduscher:
You could grab it from the current Gapps package, or leave the rest out and then flash it through a custom recovery :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nforester:
I kinda like gHangout :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lacky44:
i'd prefer gtalk hangout is too ugly
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] The Gingerbread Man:
I want to use it more I really like the idea of it. 1 app to communicate across several devices in a chat style manner like texting and it would save me the need for using extra applications 'tablet talk' which I use for texting on my tablet through the phone. The only thing is a lot of other people I know with android aren't as much as an android / google nerd as me and those other people don't want it and already use facbook / whatsapp and I don't want those apps on my devices :p I'd love for hangouts to take over the build in standard SMS app to eliminate the need for multiple applocations. The contacts should be managed by the people app which would sort out the mulitipules and then using the features in the people app configure the contacts for hangouts.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sorzen Acranos:
To tell if a contact is online, it should show a green bar, also if you are looking at the chat, the photo of them that shows if they have read your message or not should be transparent (offline) or colored in for being online
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
The green bar (which I like) is only on Gmail and G+ clients. The app doesn't have it. The app only has the faded contact photo which is terrible. I can't always tell if a person is offline or just has a light colored icon. It's especially bad outside where everything looks faded to begin with.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sorzen Acranos:
I understand that, there's going to be an inevitable update and hopefully they fix that. They also stated that they are going to have SMS integration and possible Google Voice integration as well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jxr94:
I'm not 100%, but I feel like hangouts might've messed up my google play downloads, because I'm having serious issues downloading apps when i switch roms.

Edit: Or Google Play could've just been running slowly.