yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Will of fire:
If true and SD slot I'm sold
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teambestyrandy:
Its true. Google io announced it 649 on play store June 16th I believe
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
You obviously are clinging to "my phone is best nuh-uh no way any phone could be better" syndrome atm ;)

- LTE

- Removable battery

- MicroSD storage

- Faster processor

- Better camera

- Bigger screen

- SAMOLED (if you prefer over LCD)

- Hardware buttons (if you prefer this versus software buttons taking up screen space)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spaceman860:
Just because they said the s4 would get updates from Google doesn't mean ****. Nexus will still get updates first

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BennyJr:
Omg omg omg first updatezzz
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
Simply look at the picture below:

"Prompt system updates"

I could care less if "nexus" phones get an update 2 days before mine. It's not like I'm 12 years old and get an erection over having the 1st of a software update :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spaceman860:
Will see when 4.3 comes out how prompt it will be :p

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucasleal:
Im glad that samsung will sell pure android device(s) but I do not think that they will update the phone because for them Its better if you buy the new one instead of update yours. Maybe one version update and then stop, just for customers cant say that they have lied.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
At this point you don't have any real information... simply trying to spread misinformation so you can still have that "my nexus 4 is the best phone ever" feeling.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corwest:
If it were double the specs I could see double the price of the N4. But its not even close so as far as I'm concerned its a rip off.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeamAlpha:
You have to remember that the Nexus 4 is massively subsidised by Google. Without it the Nexus 4 would probably retail for $500+.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teambestyrandy:
Get the s4 with contract with att for 199 root the s4 install cyanogen mod BAM Google experience phone... Seriously though developers will make updates for the s4 easier now with the Google s4. That being said, you save more money comparing 649 for 16gb pure Google vs 199 contract s4 root with "pure" google experience
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tweaked:
/shrug

I don't need the card slot

I don't like Samsung

I don't like amoled. .

I don't want to spend 600+ bux.

I won't be buying. /end shrug

I still have an upgrate at ATT available tho. But i'll likely keep it until the end of year, sell whatever I can get (most likely an Iphone) and then buy the newest "NEXUS" device.

Cause I like "NEXUS"......
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] styckx:
View attachment 1965274

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arpit85:
Umm...don't know what to say about that, in South Asia carrier provide unlimited 3G plans for $30 both postpaid and prepaid and phones are always unlocked available directly through OEM's

+(A research showed 50% of world's population lives in 10 countries of south and south east Asia)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Yeah your not gonna get that in the states. The average monthly bill for 1000 minutes, unlimited texting and 2gb of data is about $100

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wardy01:
So.... I had an s4 .rooted it and used the new aosp ROM. I owned my s4 since launch and sold my nexus for it.

To all ... There are loads of bugs in recoverys.

Limited Roms.

Errors wiping in recovery.

After 3 battery pulls and format data.cache.system I got ROMs loaded.

Was a nice phone great gimmick features .battery life was incredible.

The ROM with no s4 bunfff was lightning fast .

But u have now just sold my s4 and returns to a nexus 4... Got a healthy return on the s4 also I had the i9505...

Any1 thinking about going to the s4. Don't your n4 is more then capable.

My memory did go from 8.2gb to 11.4gb on my s4..after ROM install.

Regards
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moses992:
I pay about $9 a month for unlimited minutes+100 texts+1GB data(prepaid/ no contract). One of the very few perks of living in Jordan ^^.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
In my country nexus4-730$ , gs4 (i9505) 800$ (you can find it cheaper (700$) from people who buy it subsidized and sell it brand new).

To anyone upgrading from an older phone it's a clear choice

P.s. my monthly tel bill is 15$ ( 1000min, unlimited sms and 1gb data)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yyz71:
Wow some pretty high prices for these plans. Up in Toronto with Virgin mobile for about 3 years I get 300 min unlimited incoming calls same thing with text data is sweet 6Gb all for $54.00 and LTE good signal strength :thumbup: And no i wouldn't purchase the S4.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dark_AJ9:
Not me... of course, i prefer cristal than pure plastic.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
I have 2 lines on AT&T and both phones were purchased at full price and are contract free.

700 shared minutes (I think it's 700)

Unlimited texts on both

3GB data on both

My monthly bill is about $150 after taxes.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jayrod1980:
Heh... If you have coverage, T-Mobile is the best. I'm paying $120 a month for 2 phones, unlimited, throttle free data, with unlimited voice and text. Everywhere in nova/DC area 15+ Mbit hspa and limited 20+ mbit lte. That comes out to 60 a line and I use few voice mins but 6-10gb data and thousands of texts a month while my wife only uses about 2.5gb a month... But thousands of texts and about 1500+ mins.

For the guy having probs with recovery etc... I wouldnt worry. The Aosp image hasn't been released yet AFAIK so any aosp roms flashed are still just hack jobs. When the image comes out you will likely have fast boot, etc.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omnius1:
you mean except for the fact that CM - regardless of what all you CM flag wavers keep telling yourselves - is not as stable as official stock? And they never get things like the Samsung camera features to work properly?

No thanks.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
They wont be there in the Google S4 either. CM builds their camera from the same code that the S4GE will be using.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biggiestuff:
Then you guys on contract are killing yourselves. There are plenty of alternatives that will give you that sort of service for cheap.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jayrod1980:
What part of Google supported don't you understand? When this goes into aosp, cm and everything else will take code from there just like they do with nexus devices. Why do you keep getting hung up on the buggy software thing? Was the galaxy nexus a problem with cm? This phone uses snapdragon anyway not exynos. Quit with the buggy galaxy software bit... Its using Google base like any other nexus device, not Samsung like the s2, s3 etc.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
You have to understand. There are 2 type that buy phones these days. Those that buy them for the Hardware and those that buy them for the software. While to some (like me) The software that Samsung or HTC brings to the table is pointless bloat slowing the device. There are some that really dont care for development and want the software.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jayrod1980:
True but if they are there for the software, why would they care about cm or stock like Roms? They would be all jazzed about touch wiz or sense.

Sent from Nexus 10 using xda premium
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
Id rather buy a normal SGS4 and then choose either between AOSP and TouchWizUX. Although im pretty sure the AOSP SGS4 will get a TW5 Port too...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
That comes down to updates. Most people complain about things they have no idea of. They think with a GE device that they will be able to get the best of both worlds. We both know they are wrong. You either get updates from Google and lose all the OEM features or you use OEM roms and wait on them or the carrier. I mean how many threads have we seen over the years asking how to get one OEM app or another to work on an AOSP based rom? Hundreds. These all come from people that have no idea what they are doing and think it is cool to flash roms.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garth719:
Not for 650.. Get me a nexus
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jayrod1980:
Its not a port though, tw5 is native for the s4. The aosp version has the same hardware.

---------- Post added at 02:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:44 PM ----------

You might be right, but it should make tw ROM updates faster too. Google will essentially be ensuring compatibility instead of Samsung... Who will only have to port their overlay instead of the whole thing. Samsung software lags their hardware by a good amount.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
No it wont make them any faster, as OEM already get the same software when it is released by Google. I think the easiest was to help people understand is not to think about TW, Sense, Blur....As an overlay as it really isnt. It is a completely different version of android. Think about it like a Linux Distro. the OEM complete re-write the OS to work with their hardware. Take the SD card. The coding for the SD card was removed from the AOSP source code awhile ago as Google didnt use it. The OEM have to re-add the code after they get the software. So this will not help OEM rom updates in the least.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
So in theory the AOSP SGS4 can flash TW SGS4 ROM and vice versa
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
In theory yes.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monkeypaws:
Can't believe how riled up the nexus community is. Why are you expressing such selfishness. Why can other devices get the " nexus" experience? And where was it mentioned in I/o that the nexus was dead? Who in Google can younqoute stating you guys still won't get updates first? Wow. Just wow. What if the HTC came otbwith a "nexus" experience? Its just a phone people. Get a life. Be happy you have a nexus and that it will still get updates sooner if not at the same time as the sgs4 "nexus". ;).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omnius1:
I'm not riled up for several reasons.

1. This isn't the Nexus 5 so we still have it to look forward to

2. I'd rather own the original s4 than this because the original s4 has the official Samsung software to use with the camera, this phone doesn't

3. This phone isn't even able to take full advantage of the CPU in it

4. Price obviously

I see this as more of a special interest phone for hardcore developers, not me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Enhanced:
I don't think anyone was really that riled up. Maybe you should calm down and be happy?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monkeypaws:
Glad someone who isn't up in arms. I used tonown the nexus 4 and the gnex for a year. This news is actually interesting. It might make it easier to port more stable aosp roms to the sgs3. It seems like the ROMs over there are just really buggy. At least thebaosp ones.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] expertzero1:
This is a great deal. 1080p, 5 inch screen, expandable memory, amazing camera for 649.99.

Sent from my LG Optimus G Pro
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tunderpimp:
With the nexus you get both soft and hardware
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Not when it comes to the features of the TW or Sense. These are what most people want. The nexus is for the more developer minded.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monkeypaws:
Have you read some of the posts since it was announc d. Some people ,not all, are acting like Google stole something from them. Just saying
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
I have both.

--The screen on the S4 is a little (and I mean only a little) better.

--The S4 camera is better than the N4 in daylight but in low light the S4 flat out sucks!

--Expandable memory I agree with

Not even close to being worth almost twice the price of the N4.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joefrog1996:
Just get a regular S4 and root it. You should be able to port the "Google Edition" straight to the device.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuan209:
I think the more choices the better.

The price is considerably more than a Nexus 4, but it is in line with other "premium" phones.

For those that want a Nexus like phone with expandable memory and removable battery, this is the phone for you.

Will the Nexus 5 be better? Sure but I bet it's only marginally better at best. If it wasn't for the home key, I'd snatched this phone up at launch.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jayrod1980:
Well, while Samsung gets the software at release they only get the raw android. It would be up to them to make it work etc. There's no doubt android became better for Samsung after it got the nexus s... It made a native android device for its hummingbird chip. The difference here is that you have a whole android team working to ensure compatibility of androids newest version with Samsung's hardware. This makes a bigger difference than you might think. It may still take awhile to work Samsung's apis and all that tw stuff compatible but it helps. It also extends the life and reputation of the device having aosp support for it.

Also, if you don't remember, android was optimized for amoled screens with its black motif when the nexus s came out. Google also solved Samsung's horrible galaxy file system when they made the nexus s. Getting stock android probably means all of Samsung's newest hardware tricks get software code to ensure its use with new versions. Don't downplay this.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
I wouldn't buy it. Ill never buy a AMOLED screen ever again. Carry on

Sent by ma Kittehs they chew on muffins on meow Sexy Nexi 4 We see u meow
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] md1008:
I don't know why people hate on the home button. I would rather use that than the power/volume keys to unlock the phone and I hate on screen buttons just waste useless real estate and pie imo is not a good solution.

I also prefer to have spen functionality of my note than having latest 4.2.2.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yyz71:
I don't use volume rockers or power button to unlock my phone! Sleep2wake:thumbup:

People want samsung features get a samsung or a note you'll get all the features you need or want...

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tunderpimp:
Some of us love pie.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] playya:
A couple of posts on here I got to agree with - I bolded this one for truth. Also lets be serious now most of us are root happy people and I would rather get the store version for less money, root it and put on primarily the same software but with some of the Samsung tricks. Quite sure developers are making sure you don't miss out on that where straight Google means you have a Nexus in a Samsung body for $300 more.

^^^ That's just bad math in my eyes :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
People should understand that the google edition S4 is not meant to compete with the nexus 4, it's in it's own class. it offers everything that people complained about over the past years in the nexus line (no microsd support, below average camera performance (compared to the devices in it's range), terrible battery life etc etc... ), as if Google said, ok so you're complaining, there you go a flagship device with all what you're asking for, but since it's an S4, i'm pretty sure Samsung had the bigger impact when they talked pricing. with the nexus line, Google has more impact on the pricing sector. (outside the playstore, LG still sells the nexus 4 in the price range of other flagships ~ 700$ ).

due to Google's aggressive pricing, i can bet you most of the nexus 4 holders have no development background. flashing and modifying software has been present on android since the early days. The process of rooting and unlocking the bootloader should be easier on the nexus line, but with most people using toolkits (witnessed that since the galaxy nexus days) , the same 2 processes are equal for all devices.

i don't consider the nexus to be a "developer phone" (it's a made up terminology mostly used as an excuse, for example: "the camera is not the best, but what do you expect from a dev phone?" , or , "if you need a microsd then don't buy a dev phone" , the same was said when comparing galaxy nexus' camera with an even older device which was the S2 back then). But let's say the nexus IS a dev phone, Hugo Barra clearly stated at I/O that the google edition S4 will ship with an

unlocked bootloader

(and prompt updates). now , maybe i'm not good at Maths, but the google S4 sounds like a dev phone to me :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Your missing where nowhere di he say that it would get AOSP support, do not confuse the 2. They are very different. A development phone is one fully supported by AOSP. Which there are very few that have full AOSP support.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
first point you missed , there is no such thing as a developer phone.

the second point, you think the google S4 will not be added to the aosp tree?

i'm tired of useless arguments, with all respect to you, take a look at the announcement once again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6By4uTxXY

let's emphasize 2 expressions:

1- 1:31 the GS4 running 4.2 jelly bean, with the same software experience that we ship on our nexus devices.

2- 2:13 And it will receive system updates promptly with every android platform update.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
And still your not getting it. There is a diff between that and being fully supported by AOSP. What about that are you not getting. You can say what you will about their not being a Developer Device but you might want to look again at "Developer Edition" Devices.

Now as SD card support has been removed from AOSP code I am interested to see what happens. To be honest I dont really care either way. I will never buy another Samsung device. Mainly with the IMEI info on a partition that is easily over written.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
"developer edition" is a marketing strategy, they are making you pay for something you should've gotten in first place. carriers in my country, and those i know of in EU don't additionally lock bootloaders.

we'll see around June 26th if it's gonna be aosp supported.

have a good day.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamHart612:
Eh, there have been multiple dev phones - just not sold as such since the Nexus line appeared. Dream and Ion were both ADP's and sold under that moniker.

That said, I don't get why people are surprised at the price. I coughed up $750 to get a Galaxy Nexus in the US on launch day...aside from the N4 that is simply how much unlocked new phones cost.

I'll be picking one up to use alongside my N4 until the N5 arrives. GS3 held its value very well and I'm sure I'll be able to sell the GS4 for a good price down the line. This is a fantastic strategy by Google - offering the follow up to last year's best selling phone as a Google device. It's the right strategy, an expected price, and exactly fills the "I want a Nexus but also an SD card slot and removable battery" desire people have been repeating for years. I'm stoked, I get a new official Google device to play with sooner than I expected. Awesome.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crisisx1:
If I can get it for around 450$... yes
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monkeypaws:
Wow guys. Way to take factual info and create your own conclusions. I'd waitbtonseenwhat happens. Until it is officially announced about aosp support or not I would "assume". You think they haven't thought about the SD card support and aosp.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bill Gamble:
Not interested.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rushless:
If a 32gb on Verizon, sold! Alas, they will be 16gb, so just as No as the Verizon version.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] naripsta:
I'm actually thinking of buying it.

Acquire that phone, sell my Nexus 4 for $200 to offset the price a bit and it's not too bad.

I'm just asking myself, why would I? I'll probably get it though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kcbboy:
If it was even a 100 dollars cheaper I would probably be all over it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daferrill:
Well compared to how long I had to wait for ICS on my AT&T galaxy note , I'm done waiting while being behind on awesome features ...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pudgybunnyBry:
There is no way I would buy it. You're essentially paying twice the price for the Samsung name. Screw that.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nocturnal86:
Thats a pretty dumb statement considering they dont have the same specs the samsung is by all means the better spec'd phone so its not "essentially paying twice the price for the Samsung name"...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tunderpimp:
I can't afford to buy a new phone every time one comes out. I can afford one new phone a year. I'll hold out a little longer
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] md1008:
Never heard of sleep2wake would probably be useful on my N7. And yes there are various reasons why people by a note, initially it was for the size and the hardware. The spen I find really useful for others is a gimmick for me its really useful. When I had gs3 I was running liquid smooth

Initially I was just saying I don't know why people dislike home button. There is no wrong or right onion. I for one like it and I think a good majority of people do too. The 2 giants of smart phones Samsung and Apple both have home buttons...definitely not saying that's why they are so popular or that just because they are more popular are better.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bfspider:
No thanks.

After owning a GN, I'm through with Samsung.

After buying a $350 phone that just about rocks every other phone (before HTC One and S4), there isn't any reason to pay any more for a zero day device.

Sure, there will be people who will pay whatever to have the latest and greatest and there are people who need an SD slot.

I'll see what happens with the N5 and the X Phone.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ridikolous:
If I didn't have the old lady and my lil baby girl I would. Nex 4 was cheap enough to keep me out of trouble.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
Ya, I'd consider it if it were $499..

I will wait for the N5 or the X..
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottx .:
It would need to be a lot cheaper. It's one hell of a device but the reason Nexus is so great is because it's at a fair price, unlocked with the best firmware updates.

That S4 breaks fair price all to hell. I paid $393 for my N4/16. So with tax and shipping the S4 would be around $720. That's just too much for a phone IMO.

Wish they had just built an N5 for like $100 more.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4c:
http://androidheadlines.com/2013/05...nexus-user-experience-said-to-be-us-only.html
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omnius1:
Good point but for me physical buttons is precisely why I'll never own either of those phones. I need phones to be car friendly and the fiddling around required to launch Google Now on the S4 in a moving vehicle is my deal breaker. I also can't stand long presses or double taps.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesmoDavid:
Yep, the only utility of physical button (in the case of Galaxy series) is for activate the device. There is a reason because Google erase any physical buttons from their device. Least but not last we can't hearing "tick, tac, toc" :fingers-crossed: ... Enjoy the silent!