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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SprMario7:
I'm thinking about buying a GS4 from T-Mobile now thanks to the Google device. Think about how many ports any gs4 will get now!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
I JUST don't want to see the N4 updates delayed because of this Samsung Edition.

For instance:

On my NEXUS 7 i waited a lot of time to receive this year (4.2.2 OTA for all Nexus) a Kernel Update that was actually COMPILED in November 2012.....

Of course i have N4 too....and probably was one of the reasons of the delay.

But each new maintained device in this circle....delay the whole update process. Because Google likes to update ALL at the same time.

But of course, if AOSP (I mean the real Android Project) is the bottleneck here....then it's ok.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkenCypher:
Whatever. People see that price and freak the **** out. This device is not a nexus.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LoVeRice:
Cant you already do that to gs4, u know.. making it an aosp?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidfoshizzle:
When Google releases their gs4 and the stock rom would people be able to delete their touch wiz and replace it with the stock ROM?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italia0101:
Plus is this only out for the USA?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JaylanPHNX:
If I could afford one, I'd absolutely buy it, just to have top of the line hardware, direct from Google software, and a freaking SD card slot (I really miss my locally stored music).

Sent from an N4 blessed with AOKP and sanctified by Faux123!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] POLO_i780:
:D LOL!!

Classic!!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bmwjnky:
I liked my S3 but didn't like all the extra Samsung software in it so that's why I went back to a Nexus phone. If it was more reasonably priced I'd get one but $650 is a bit steep.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LTavaress:
I'd rather doing a trip to Florida
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] justin11141:
Definitely think 650$ is a bit steep and a huge leap from the previous 299/349 nexus 4..and really what's the difference between this new Google gs4 and just putting a custom ROM on a T-Mobile gs4?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lowrider262:
at that price i dont see it selling out as fast as the N4 did. should be plenty in stock for all the rich folk out there lol
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
Those that think this will receive "prompt" updates must not be familiar with the Galaxy Nexus regional variants. Those were/are maintained by Samsung. The update promptness was no better than a US carrier.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] espionage724:
Over $600 for a phone? Unless it manages to have the power of my desktop computer, I can't think of any possible reason why it would be a good investment... And I'm pretty sure it doesn't come close to it (Phenom II X4, Radeon HD 7850, 8GB RAM, 500GB of local storage).

To be fair though, I can't see any justifiable reason for any expensive phone. Even the Nexus 4 was a bit... higher than I would have pleased, but still the best device feature and price-wise. I mostly use phones for basic calls, text, and some web activity. I have a computer and Nexus 10 for everything else :good:

Also, I'm pretty sure a GS4 doesn't cost anywhere near $600 to manufacturer. I'm pretty sure a Nexus 4 however is closer to costing around $300. I don't have any factual information to back this up though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Steve5400:
It would have been cool if they released the exynos version, but I feel like they could have taken some of the pointless sensors off it since they aren't compatible with pure Android anyway and that would have saved some money. As is I will be surprised if this thing sells very well for 650.

It does look like a cool phone but not 300 dollars cooler than the N4.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
And the point of that chip would be? The power saving? Read some other threads and you will see that it doesnt save really any power at all.

The sensors are there for developers to learn how to interact with them. So when the next Nexus comes out they will not be starting blind.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ismethajametovic:
300 dollars more for a better screen, updated cpu, unlocked, removable battery and SD CARD SLOT?

Maybe it'll be worth it, but I think I'll hold onto my nexus 4 for now.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nethojs29:
I'd rather buy a nexus 10 and a chrome book just to complement my n⁴ than getting more plastic
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidKills:
no, Simply just no. Great phone and all, just not really exciting.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
That's great but will still suck if the drivers are closed source and held by Samsung.... it's it the Exynos ? So stock Google no development.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
It will be the Qualcom chip. So no worriers about the drivers.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biggiestuff:
If they had done this right before Google heavily discounted the nexus 4, people would be all over it. I'm tempted to sell my N4 and dish out a little bit more. I'm just really used to the soft keys and and i can't stand how the light shines through the capacitive buttons making it look cheap. Other than that, great move by Samsung.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
Ok so there are drivers for the chip....what about camera , screen and all sensors? Why would they release all that for that model and not the tw gs4...you could get the att model on contract and flash a custom Rom for a third of the cost

If all drivers are open. I don't see it
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
They are most likely using different drivers for the hardware then the ones that OEM devices use. Just like flashing CM or AOSP on the device. you have the closed sourced OEM drivers and then you have open source drivers. It is just like using Linux on any Windows PC. IF that helps you understand it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Why do fanboys make these ridiculous comments?

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Exactly.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
For the same reason Samsung fans say that their device is better then say an HTC.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrianDigital:
Look at the time on the phone, 420rootitf****t
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PoisonWolf:
$649 just to get a notification bar burn in (or rather, uneven wearing of the LED) after 3 months due to the awesomeness that is AMOLED?

No thanks.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
In all honesty, this is a dream come true for the nexus enthusiasts. Let me explain:

- You get a 5 inch, 1080P super AMOLED display with 441ppi

- You get a 2600mah REMOVABLE battery ( imagine the battery life on this thing) and expandable storage ( unless they somehow changed this)

- You get to use the home button so you get all the screen real estate

- Super light, super thin with an amazing 13 mp camera

- It has the same S4 sensors ( that will be used somehow in custom roms and maybe by google who knows)

- Plenty of 3rd party accessories

All of this receiving android 4.3 as soon as its available, android 5.0 and so on. This thing is going to be amazing.

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I guess so.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
We will see. I don't see it selling very well. They priced the Galaxy nexus the same way at first and it didn't really sell until they dropped the price. I think Samsung is hoping that doesn't happen again lol

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Yeah i'm not sure if its going to sell a lot of units especially with the nexus 4 having such a great price but I think that it is definitely worth it considering what you get in terms of hardware and software.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] randomnoob83:
Yea people see this. If it was the price the nexus 4 was people would not give a crap about who made it or how it looks but that's not the case it costs 300 dollars more and not everyone has that which is why people say that its not worth the upgrade
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
I don't see a 300 price in the hardware really.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I do. The nexus 4 is subsidize by google and it is a great price. T-Mobile USA sells it for 549.99 ( at least they were but im nt sure now). But considering its a nexus packed to the teeth, no need to upgrade every year since this is pretty much guarantee to get updates for the next couple of years.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
I can't say that. With Samsung's act of putting the IMEI on a writable partition that can and has been known to get erased that makes me think twice about getting their devices. Mainly one that would be flashed alot.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spaceman860:
Me neither and most of us here use custom ROMs anyway

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corwest:
Pride. The same reason Samsung thinks there devices are worth double of what they should be.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Hey, you guys are totally entitled to your opinions. But the reality is Samsung sells a lot of phones, plastic or not, overpriced or not. Just saying.

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I understand. My initial reaction when I heard the price was " say what?" but the truth is that we have been spoiled by the nexus 4 price. The S4 nexus isn't overpriced, it is the nexus 4 that is the bargain of the year.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shahkam:
Buy gs4 unlocked flash cm10 and save 50$.

The only reason someone would pay higher would be for the updates but hey here on xda we pretty much stay up to date fast enough...

I don't care about 50$ but some does just wanted to point it out.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Yeah so does apple. Just because they sell alot doesnt mean alot.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corwest:
Can't argue that. Sammy's marketing has done them extremely well.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Oh just wait for the fall where alot of people have a feeling we will see the next Nexus device. Then we can go from there.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Sure thing. I'm going with the original S4, I prefer touchwiz and its features but that's a personal choice.

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Indeed.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corwest:
I truly think that all smartphones are overpriced and the N4 is the closest thing to what "normal" pricing should be.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yyz71:
The Galaxy Nexus was $649.00 from bell off contract when first released!! I bit not this time around....
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Oh to be honest I think alot of people will realize that they do as well. I know alot of my team prefer TW features to where some dont. I think this will prompt people to understand alot.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I definitely wished that all phones were 299$-349$ :o . Im not buying a phone for 700$ anymore like I did last year. Ill buy the S4 second hand from either swappa or craigslist.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arpit85:
In countries where Nexus 4 is not sold through Google play instead sold under brand LG it costs about $535 for 16GB version (Most countries in Asia)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Yep. Nexus devices are really for the pure google experience enthusiast. I had 3 nexus 4, loved the phone but stock android isn't for me. It is mighty fast (fastest phone I have owned to date and I have had a bunch, peep the signature), love the screen after paranoid screen calibration and I love the 1280X 768 res with the wide screen but I got kinda bored after a while.

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Yep, that's because it isn't subsidized by google and that is its "real" price tag. I also understand the S4 nexus price, the original S4 just came out and it will be kinda ricdiculous to release the same phone half the price. Wouldn't make sense to Samsung therefore not worth releasing.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m3lover1:
Flashing CM over the regular gs4 is not the same imo. There will be bugs and problems, at least for a while until they can iron out the links whereas the Google gs4 will work like a stock device right off the bat. Not even remotely thinking about getting it but still I think that is something to be considered since I read so many of posts saying just buy the touchwiz version and flash CM
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I agree.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I flat out creamed my pants when I seen this. The only thing I would change is the ridiculous old school button.

Take my money Google. I cannot wait to get off this Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
Please leave
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SysAdmNj:
Amen brother lol. Trying to troll me on my sarcastic comment. After all this is an android forum, I would hope we're all somewhat of fans to a certain extent ;]
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
$649 -v- $349

I will keep my Nexus 4 thanks..

There is NO way the S4 with vanilla android is worth almost twice as much as a Nexus 4...

I will pass and wait on the Nexus 5 :good: :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deiwuzas:
No offence lads, but in europe Gs4 cost around 570eur without contract, and it's still best selling phone at the moment :) Gs4 and pure android is class combo, but...i still falling in love with my nexus4 :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
If you get that excited over a phone, perhaps a girlfriend is in order?

Just sayin' :p
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I love how everyone is creaming themselves over LTE, which obviously the Nexus 4 doesn't have

Oh wait.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arpit85:
Now there is a difference between subsidized and non subsidized phone models if Google were to subsidize SGS 4 it would have been called Nexus 5 instead
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ziggy46:
Or his hand before the situation becomes dangerous...

Btw, I'd buy the nexus form of the s4 even if its $600
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
LMAO
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
People can simply buy a carrier branded S4 on contract for $199, unlock bootloader and flash CM 10. Same thing and $449 less..

I guess I am just not getting the excitement over this...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Buying a device on contract is not paying $449 less. Its paying much, much more over a longer period of time. Unless you're on T-Mobile. Then its just paying the same amount over a longer period of time.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redandwhitearmy:
SD card for extra $300 how insane is that....

Sent from my HTC_Flyer_P512_NA
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
Well..... If you are going to keep the vanilla S4 on a carrier then you are paying the same monthly amount on or off contract so I am still not seeing the excitement..

Say your bill now on AT&T, Verizon, or Sprint is $150 a month.

A) You buy a phone on contract. Your bill is still $150 a month.

B) You buy a phone off contract at full price. You bill is still $150 a month.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RealiZms:
My thoughts as well. Shrug

Same plastic phone

Poor screen quality compared to other 1080p phones

Its inferior build quality, poor screen, and slightly better hardware is enough to make me and my nexus 4 yawn. End shrug.

Now a Google or Nexus phone based on the Optimistic G pro or HTC one would've been worthy of a head turn. But an S4? No thank you...smh.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WestAussie:
So once this is released, and devs get a hold of it, the kernel and firmware will be ported to the normal S4 version, right? Which means, CM 10.x will be a cinch to a apply to the S4 (Snapdragon verison at least). The bugs will be ironed out in no time. That puts it a massive step ahead of the S3 i9305 which will never have a perfect port of CM because of Samsung holding back the code for their hardware. It's what pushed me to get the Nexus 4. Otherwise I would've kept it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raqball:
The S4 has slightly better specs. The processor is a tad bit faster, the screen is 1080p but honestly the pentile kills it. The HTC One's screen looks MUCH better than the S4's does.

I also have no need for a SD card slot or a removable battery.

The S4 has a better camera but anyone who has used an S4 will say that in low-light the camera flat out sucks! In daylight or bright sunlight the S4 camera does fine.

The vanella S4 is nowhere even close to being a $300 price hike over the N4.

If it was priced at $449 or maybe even $499 I could see some of the excitement but $649? Holy cow!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michael_ta315:
People bashing either Nexus 4 or gs4 are ridiculous and childish. They both have great features that the other doesn't. So yes it's a pure android experiences, but it'll stop there. It'll get different when going to the hardware. Just by the look, some people prefer gs4 because it's more durable than glass, some prefer nexus 4 (i do, lovee the glass back). One have SD card and one doesn't. Me I used to use SD cards, but I ditched it since my music are on Google Play. On has removable battery and one doesn't. Now for me, I don't really give a sh*t. My battery is fine with franco.kernel and wifi chrome browsing at 6+hrs SOT. But some people prefer a backup battery or a larger capacity battery. Snapdragon s4 pro is damn fine for me so I don't need octa core or something like that. But some people prefer more.

So on and so on.

I'll just stop here, summing up that while they're both pure android experiences, you still can not point out which one is the best since they're both different in hardware wise and the look itself. I'm glad that google did this, instead of doing crap like iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s which barely has any improvement at all beside siri. So let's cheer up and stop acting like a 12 years old fanboy. :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gorjira:
I remember reading a couple articles about this GS4:GE (I like the sound and look of the name) and being fairly excited about it. I thought if this gets treated as a Nexus device, and is between $400-500, I would seriously ponder on getting it.

Than it was officially announced and I was excited...

But than I saw the price...

Even people at Google I/O moaned about the price. I'm hoping that MAYBE(?!) Google can convince Samsung to lower the price even $50... I doubt it but when I had my GS3, all I ever put on it was CM, AOKP, and PACman. This could sell like hotcakes if two things would be guaranteed: 1.) It is treated as a Nexus device and everything that entails. Full cooperation b/w Samsung and Google. 2.) Lowered price. $400 would be asking Samsung to take a loss. $500 would still sell decent enough I believe.

Just my two cents.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arpit85:
Carrier branding and contract systems are available in only 20 odd countries in the world not all the 200 countries
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maddmatt:
And it's not $449 less unless you are incompetent at finance. You're paying for it through the contract.

Anyway they don't subsidise phones quite so much here in New Zealand. Works out better for me to buy the phone in cash and go with a prepaid plan. I have no guarantee that I'm staying in the country anyway so I can't commit to a contract.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mackster248:
Seriously guys? Why not just be happy that Google has given us a choice with two great devices?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italia0101:
It's good that we have the choice... but if I want stock android without Samsung stuff.... I'll just buy a nexus for half the price ....

Oh yea..... and it's USA only ...... great
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mackster248:
But there's some people with deeper pockets than us. I'm just confused why some here are arguing and trying to prove which is better than which.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4c:
There must be something wrong with you because I get an erection when I get an update first...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JediDru:
What if this is the start of the rumored multiple nexus program? And shame on all of you when comparing other manufacturers and not once mentioning Sony. They have really stepped up their game. I've always maintained if the nexi program takes off the first manufacturer I'm interested in is Sony.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] will444:
Nexus 4 was cheap but still its fantastic? The S4 has physical buttons, that not how a nexus is..

I'm not fussed what people do but I'll be waiting for the nexus 5, it will be at the end of the year so why get another phone now?

Unless desperate for an upgrade I would stay clear

Nexus 4 ftw
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
What about the bigger removable battery, the much better camera , LTE and 1080p screen?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moses992:
Am I the only one who sees this as great news for ALL S4 owners ? Theres an official stock Android ROM for the S4 now so im guessing alot of ROMs like CM and the likes of it are going to be more optimized.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1cewolf:
There really shouldn't be any arguing at all. The Nexus 4 is still without a doubt the best value on the market, and the Galaxy S4 is a good phone for people who don't mind spending extra money for a few more features.

Me, I'll take the extra money in my pocket and the flexibility of software-based buttons.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mephisto Zap:
Should have used a HTC one. The one 32gb unlocked sells for 575 on htcs website. That would be a good seller with pure android goodness I do believe.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tunderpimp:
I can hold out for the next nexus device, I'm not 12 years old I don't need the newest phone. The next nexus device will be better and cheaper than this phone anyways.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I Am Marino:
That's how I feel.

-Sent from Marino's Maxx-
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Audioboxer:
The price is a complete joke, absolutely no way would I change my Nexus 4 to it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hereisphilly:
Prompt system update doesn't mean from Google, and as this wasn't mentioned on the keynote (which if it was they would have mentioned it as it is a big selling point from Google's perspective), I imagine that the updates are from Samsung themselves.

So 1 issue is what defines prompt, and I think the bigger question is how long will it be supported by Samsung?

If the updates aren't being managed by Google, then there is even less chance of this device being in the AOSP, so drivers and proprietary code are going to be hard to come by, even more of a turn off in my opinion
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spaceman860:
They did say Google would push the updates

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italia0101:
I think Samsung will still have to push the updates as well, android central podcast said the same thing
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woody296:
I " couldn't " care less....http://thegrammarvandal.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/i-couldnt-care-less-correct/
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottx .:
I would never spend six fifty for that. I'm happy with my nexus.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BennyJr:
Does samsung push updates to the n10 or gnex? No.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Just because your carrier is shafting you now doesn't mean they stop shafting you because you bought a new phone.