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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fensterbank:
Because they are fanboys, they can't accept the truth. It's just the fanboy-syndrome, simply as that. Go to a iOS forum and critize iOS and you get the same trash from angry fanboys. Uhhhhhuhuhuhuh and I already see the angry android-boys and girls who hate me mimimi :laugh: Get real.

No, dianne hackborn (framework engineer) confirmed, that iOS has a UI rendering thread (or was it someone in the comments? I dont remember any more, but she surely didn't deny it). Dianne explained how the UI rendering works on android on two of her google + posts (but for the android-fanboys this might be too complicated ;) ) and she pointed out some issues in the earlier stage, for example that the GPUs and drivers weren't able to render multiple gl contexts properly, and that a full hardware acceleration was too heavy in ram usage. But these posts are anyway outdated.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fernandezhjr:
The lack of hardware acceleration in the early stages of Android has been thoroughly discussed here, read back thru the whole thread. Developers are still playing a little catch up. iOS had it right early on, but for the most part, it is pretty much negligible with Android anymore. It's just funny how Apple fanboys can't let go of the past, just as you stated "outdated ". Let em break out the microscope to see if they can find a lil twitch. Lol.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lownita:
I own several android devices. Yes, they do lag here and there. I own an iPad 3, guess what? It does lag here and there!

So I don't care :D

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
Not having lag is not being a fanboy, it just means some of us know how to set-up our phones to suit the way we use them.

It sadens me that some of you guys are not enjoying your devices because of the occasional lag you see. That's why i advised trying a new setup, another device, or even maybe a new platform that will be ideal for you. But as usual, my statement was taken out of context by people who read, but refuse to understand what they read and have the need to start useless discussions.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forever_lol:
I do enjoy my device very much and I don't really care about some ocassional stutter. As I said many times before N4 is the best choice i could make. It offers me everything I expect form the smartphone .... for excellent price. EOT here, no hard feelings to anybody.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bpdev:
Currently I am on Franco's kernel and have almost no lag, including scrolling.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jtwebfusion:
I've noticed that some apps are smoother than others, ie Google currents is really smooth...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buizon:
Well even a PC with powerful specs experience lags. it is probably the relation of apps to the mobile os.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
What did I say about them having horrendous ugly UIs? None of them is even close to the professional quality of ProTube on iOS.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
I can't understand why people look at wp8 and iOS saying they are lag-free..have you tried wp8? I have..and system was fluid..but then again so is nexus 4 system! 3rd party apps was not that fluid. Facebook app developed by Microsoft themselves: lag, YouTube app developed by Microsoft themselves: lag! That's why I settled with nexus 4..I realized that there is no magic smooth platform

I was using Lumia 920 BTW.

And you all say "iOS is smooth"

Well on my wife's Iphone 4 it's really not

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
Low framerate != Input lag.

Input lag is constant and ruins everything. The Galaxy Note series for example has 300ms input lag. The screen doesn't even recognize your finger for a huge delay after you touch it. It doesn't matter how fast it loads or how smooth it scrolls. The entire thing is sluggish and unresponsive because of the input lag.

Nexus 4 has massive input lag compared to the iPhone and WP devices, but lower than other Android devices.

This is input lag in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E406xXr4Mok#t=124s

It's fine if you're coming from a ****ty Symbian phone or a worse Android phone but compared to the iPhone, Android's touch response is a joke. Microsoft understood this from day one even though they were years late to the game. Android manufacturers are such idiots they can't understand that this simple fact is the reason for the iPhone's success even after so many years.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Did you even read my post?

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
Yes. People consider iOS and WP lag-free because they respond instantly to touch. It doesn't matter if it freezes once in a while to load. Touchscreen input lag makes Android feel like it's sluggish and that the UI is dragging behind your finger.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
I just wrote that it's not lag-free so whatever you say, it lags. Scroll lag! Ui lag, NOT just freeze a sec while loading

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
It may lag while scrolling, but it begins scrolling as soon as you touch the screen. That's what makes it seem responsive.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
I'm sorry I don't find it very responsive ..

If android has this input lag..what's Microsoft's excuse then? Running native and all?

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
WP doesn't have touchscreen input lag, just like iOS. It only has app specific lag, not constant global input delay like Android. And WP apps are not native. They are Silverlight which is worse than Java.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
I have no issues with android system, just specific apps as well..what's the difference? Please stop nagging about input-lag in every post. I'm talking about that wp and iOS isn't so smooth rumour say and all you do is keep talking about android input-lag

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
Android system has massive input lag as well, unlike WP. The global input lag is constant in Android. App lags gets compounded on top of the constant input lag.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Holy **** I can't argue with you. I'm asking, what's Microsoft and Apple's cause? You just explained androids cause to me 5 times now. That's not what I'm talking about ..forget about android for a little while

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
kurian... Your brain lags
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
Only badly coded apps lag on iOS and WP. There is no inherent lag introduced by the OS and no touchscreen input lag either.

I've developed apps for many platforms right from PC to mobile to PlayStation and the only ones that lag for absolutely no reason are:

1) Android

2) Java on any OS (3.2GHz quad-core, 600MBps SSD, 16GB RAM -- LAG! STUTTERING! FREEZING! 2 seconds to open a window.)

The simplest case was a fixed list of names from A-Z. There was no loading or CPU activity of any kind in the app to slow it down. On iOS (on an iPhone 4 at the time) it scrolled perfectly smoothly at 60fps with absolutely no stuttering or slow downs anywhere at all. On Android, it would stutter, freeze and jump erratically while scrolling. Remember, the app doesn't even have any code running! It's all just UI designed in XML with a fixed list of names.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
So Microsoft just code their apps badly? I was getting tired of the delay in wp8, those transition animations lasts forever

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
What a load of BS this is. First of all we dont even need root to download youtube videos you know lol and I have been using an app from xda just fine.

Secondly the quality of the Cydia tweaks is rubbish compared to what android offers. Try installing a custom theme on an iphone and see it crawl to a halt in performance. No such thing happens on android with customization. The reality is a dev cant hope to make much money with Cydia tweaks but devs can make a lot of money with android customizations since they can be sold on the play store. And when you talk about hobbyist developers who are doing it only for recognition the numbers are again in favor of android. The jailbreak community comprises a very small part of the iOS crowd and its gotten increasingly difficult to jailbreak iOS whereas the android enthusiast community is much bigger in comparison.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
Most of their downloadable mobile apps are not made by Microsoft themselves. They are outsourced to some useless company which produces horrendous crap like the Hotmail and Outlook apps for Android.

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First of all, it's impossible to apply "tweaks" on Android. It's impossible to mod most aspects of the system without flashing a ROM with the feature baked in or completely replacing a system file in the flash memory. That's the nature of Java code. Objective-C uses messaging which allows functions to be hooked and applications to be modded in-memory.

The YouTube downloaders for Android all suck. They are cheap looking, buggy and unprofessional. You have to launch a separate ****ty app which doesn't even have a proper search feature. You can't even find the video you wanted to download after viewing it in the official YouTube app.

ProTube on iOS is a prime example of something that is simply technically impossible on Android. It simply cannot be done no matter how open the OS is. It fully integrates a download manager into the official YouTube app making it very easy to download any video.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Well, on the market it says "Microsoft" for the apps like YouTube and Facebook.. Performance is really bad, I remember trying boardexpress and that was also real bad performance..it's sad. My point is that it doesn't really matter why, you pick up a wp8 it lags somewhat and somewhere, same goes with iOS, my wives iPhone 4 lags in simple tasks etc. It gets unresponsive and jerky.

A question, you believe android input-lag is hardware fault or something that can be fixed by software? Without rewrite whole os? is it doomed to lag with 6-cores and 4gb ram in the future?

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This

Try finding features like halo and pa hybrid on iOS, just as an example. Does it matter you have to flash a whole ROM with the tweaks built in? It's still more convenient than iOS where it's getting more and more difficult to even jailbreak your device!

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
LOL! Both of those came to iOS first years ago before Samsung copied it, and then some open source ROM copied it. Look at the fluidity of that resizing and moving!

[YOUTUBE]5Q_DvfOOeJE[/YOUTUBE]

The ability to tweak iOS is far greater because of its architecture and language. Android doesn't hold a candle to it with its Java compiled apps. You'd know this if you actually tried to develop something for both platforms. The up side is Android is much more resilient to userland exploits and hacks.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Wow! Never seen that before, that was indeed impressive! You with the experience, how easy is wp8 or w8 (tablets) to mod like this? Not this feature specific

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
There are no mods whatsoever for WP. It's completely stock and useless. Android is a much better tablet OS because a tablet needs to do things more like a PC and not feel crippled.

I'm also of the opinion that the only reason Android exists is because iOS doesn't run apps outside the App Store. It just needs a check box that allows outside IPAs to be installed and Android & WP are dead.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Crap, I'm considering a change of system at home but I really hate the look of ios as of now, just looking at the video you posted makes me think of winxp or something. Maybe with ios 7 then

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
lol what on earth are you talking about? Do you even know what halo is?

There is clear input lag in the resizing you are sounding more and more like a complete apple fanboy. I would like to remind you that a non rooted android phone can run apps minimized over the UI.

Wake me up when iOS has something like nova launcher, next launcher, swiftkey etc.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
You dont need tweaks on android because apps can do just that. You need a tweak in iOS to have notification toggles, you need a tweak for pop up msgs, you need a tweak for lock screen notifications. An app can do all that on android.

What the hell is wrong with flashing a rom? So because on iOS you cant do that so lets just stick to the lowest denominator lol. I am sure its better to wait 8 months for a jailbreak than to flash a rom lol. A dedoxed stock rom can be tweaked however you like.

Once again you show your lack of knowledge. You dont have to open any app to download youtube videos on android, the app shows itself into the sharing menu its very simple. We dont need anything to be integrated inside the app, the sharing intents of android are there for a reason!!!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PJcastaldo:
This thread is extra dumb... Created by an Apple fan troll..
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Demonseye:
This clearly makes me laugh, plus, as mister Kurianofborg says, the "lack of reactivity" of Android is based on the touchscreen input delay, which is shorter on iOS than on Android. Okay. So that's a hardware problem, not software.

Apple just uses better quality hardware. who gives a ****?

I'm just not going to scroll lists back and forth and be amazed by it's snappiness. A phone is made to be used, and the Nexus 4 is fast. Very fast.

As usual you can't compare jailbreaking, cydia, and stuff, to Android. you can just unlock the bootloader and re-do everything. And without rooting, many optimisations are possible.

Modifying an iPhone without jailbreaking? impossible.

Oh and as stated above, there's input lag when moving the windows, on that beloved iPad of yours.

I suggest that you go derp somewhere else with other iPhone users, so that everyone can be in peace with their own stuff.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lownita:
This.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
lololol okay dude whatever you think I have never owned an iOS device.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikulec:
And the Gambler_3 that is commenting Apple topics on internet is someone else, right? :angel:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
Wait what?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikulec:
https://www.google.de/search?q=appl...s=org.mozilla:sk-SK:official&client=firefox-a

The first link. :o

BTW I didnt read the thread.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
So what are you doing trolling here if you didnt read the links? That topic is about the app store review process not being as good as it seems.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/909188516/gamespot-mobile-wars

This is the only other forum I post in with the gambler_3 name, its not apple forums its mobile wars forum.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fensterbank:
You mean Gambler is a apple-fanboy, while he defends android in several posts? :laugh: Something is definitely wrong with you.

Don't you dare! It seems you don't even have one.

KurianOfBorg: Dont make the effort to explain these little android fanboys something, it never takes a good end. They are not able to understand what you write and now they start to flame.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rasengan82:
Lol nice derail here. People... This is just a phone! I know its fun to play with it but at the end of the day its just a phone. There is no need to fight over a phone.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kendaihou:
I recently made the switch to android, used iPhone 3GS and was using iPhone 4 as my last phone. Each iPhone lasted 2-3 years. Android is so much better.... No lag and no problems whatsoever when I'm using my Nexus. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL! I'm all stock, haven't started flashing roms yet since I'm new to android but dear god the people who say iOS is better than android is laughable. iOS has its good points being simple and precise but your stuck in a walled garden with no ability to customize what you WANT and yes it's pretty smooth, however this prompted me to make the switch. My iPhone 4 was laggy as hell, kept freezing every single damn timw I wanted to do something and had a habit of rebooting whenever the hell it wants. It was so bad. My bro had the iPhone 4s and it was the same, he switched to android. Know many of my friends flocked to apple when the iPhone 5 came out and not even a short while they got rid of it and switched to some android phone.

Never in a million years am I switching back to iOS.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] niano_ys:
Hi,

I found this article (repost?):

http://notesofgenius.com/the-story-android-lag-ios/
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donwhall70:
I don't notice screen lag until I run into posts like this. What annoys me is scroll glitching on some apps. I assume you get this on the other platforms as well.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] illgodson:
You keep pounding this point...and I have to say this sounds to me like the most reasonable explanation for what I would call "lag" on android devices, but my problem is you keep saying apple has less than 50ms of latency, yet I can't find one single article or spec sheet or something showing me that, all I can find are some iPad discussion groups were people are saying its around 100ms. You said the Note series was about 300ms...are you talking Note 1? Cause I seen you make posts referring to that number on other forums and they are pretty dated, so I didn't know if that was still the case with the Note2, and if so, can you please point me to somewhere I can see the latency of these devices, or even just the touchscreen components that can be matched to devices maybe.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fernandezhjr:
Why are you guys arguing with someone whom doesn't know the difference between touch sensitivity and scroll lag and whom doesn't know jack about flashing mods? All his arguments are two to three years old. Even my son, whom has been using iPhone since the very first one, has decided to switch to Android. Apple has become stale and dull. This is why the stock has taken a huge it. Android has caught up and Apple doesn't have the sheep mentality it once had, except the fanboys that still like to troll here and there.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikulec:
Man, you really can understand fun. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BraydenJames:
As an Android developer myself, I can safely say this is a load of crap.

Yes, Android apps are written in a form of Java, which needs to be converted to native code by the Dalvik VM. But the overhead from this really isn't significant enough to make a difference in a well written app. Especially with the horespower of phones today. A good developer will be able to write a responsive, smooth application for both iOS and Android. At the same time, a crappy developer could easily write an app that runs at a snail's pace on both iOS and Android.

The only exception to this might be in extremely graphic intensive apps. Where native code really gives you more power and flexibility.. But in this case, you can actually write native Android apps as well in C/C++, which this article fails to mention. It's definitely not as simple as writing a Java app, but absolutely doable. And this is how most high end Android games are made.

Basically, the platform is only as good as the developers. But I would say that stating that Android "lags" and iOS doesn't, especially from an app standpoint, is a very broad an untrue statement. There are many quick, beautiful apps on Android, and many slow, ugly iOS apps. And vice versa.

The solution to "Android lag" is to uninstall that poorly made app you're using and download a better made version (as there almost always is).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
don't bother mate, i've tried a few pages back to explain to a few guys that it is possible not to have a laggy android experience with the right setup, and actually gave an advice to people who can't seem to find the "sweet spot" , to try other setups or even other phones, because we don't all use our devices the same way. of course, it was taken out of context, and i was accused of fanboyism :cool:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] namurt:
All android trolls have troll lag.

In other words, you explain to them that their logic is inherently flawed, and there's a bit of lag while their thick skulls allow the knowledge you've dropped on them to be absorbed.

I posted this from my phone!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] illgodson:
What's even worse is that I thought perhaps this guy was on to something with the touch latency, most of my iPhone friends that have used high end android devices, including the N4 all say the same thing, it just doesn't feel like it moves the screens the same... Not a lag, but definitely not as "smooth" as iOS devices do. Its hard to explain but I didn't understand it until I spent some time with a few iPhone's. Its not a lag, thats not the word I'm looking for , but rather the speed or smoothness at which even just home screen pages change. I almost liken it to when you slow down the animation speed on some customs launchers, its almost like androids is fast to a point of seeming jerky, as iOS is smoother if that makes any sense.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
You can easily deduce this from playing back videos frame by frame. Even in a lowly YouTube video, start from the frame the person's finger touches the screen and then step forward frame by frame until you see the image on the screen change. For a 23fps video this is around 43ms per frame. An Android phone will take 3-4 frames to change. Some really terrible devices like the Note & Note 2 will take over 7-10 frames to change. An iPhone will change in the very next frame.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scorpion667:
I own the Nexus 4 (brand new) and the iphone 5 (5 months old)

I literally have both phones in front of me

I have 20/20 vision

The iphone 5 has flawless scrolling in every single third part app I have installed.

The nexus 4 does not have flawless scrolling in any third party app I have installed.

I like the Nexus 4 better overall, but you guys defending this argument are ridiculous.

How is this even a discussion? I think there's something wrong with your eyesight if you can't notice the obvious vertical scrolling lag on Android.

It's really irrelevant why, the OP is just saying hey this is what I noticed. And he's right.

What's also funny is that a STOCK iphone 5 is smoother than your most tweaked Android device out there.