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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
After watching the video I can't identify one component... any chance for a flash on the rear camera? It would allow scan documents indoor with poor illumination.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...s-7-video-showing-what-looks-like-4gb-of-ram/

This article is wrong, as Fredrik Yngström explains in the comments, this proves that the new Nexus 7 has 2 GB of LP-DDR3 1600 RAM.

From the mainboard description, you can read APQ8064 (without T, so the "old" Snapdragon S4 Pro), but APQ8064 doesn't support DDR3 RAM, while the Snapdragon 600 does.

I also think the model in the picture isn't a pre-production one, but the one we will see on shelves really really soon.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Artexxi:
hmm,

Nexus72.com is now for sale.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ian619420:
Should I buy 32gb nexus 7 for under 170 dollars or wait for NEW nexus 7 2 or any other tablet that is good for gaming under 200 dollars or less.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Yes, you should.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] trssho91:
I decided to pick up a 32gb n7 instead of waiting and I have no regrets.

Sent from my Nexus 7 running CyanogenMod
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] tjupille:
Or go to WallyWorld and get a HiSense Sero 7 Pro (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hisense-S...re-Processor-with-8GB-Memory-M470BSA/25427874) and a SanDisk 32 GB card (http://www.walmart.com/ip/SanDisk-32GB-microSD-Class-10-Ultra-Card/23350713) for a total of just under $185. It's essentially a current-gen N7 with HDMI, a camera, SD card slot and a headphone port that supports a mic.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] trssho91:
I dont know about the his sense pro 7. Its true that its damn cheap for a quad core tablet, but its not much less than a n7 now. Its also lacking in accessory selection and ROM support. I personally think that if you are going to get a tegra 3/1gb ram 7 in tablet you should get the nexus 7.

Sent from my Nexus 7 running CyanogenMod
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ian619420:
I would gladly buy hisense sero pro IF it was only sold on amazon, i enough gift card balance to buy n7 32gb or nook hd/+ 32gb, or i may save up for ipod 5g 32gb for gaming.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MrPhilo:
Don't buy this. Just get the Nexus 7, we all know how poorly Tegra 3 is optimize and there will be hardly any custom rom or kernel for that tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
Wireless charge and slimport output confirmed.

1.5 GHz is a bit low for the Snapdragon 600, but Snapdragon S4 Pro doesn't support LP-DDR3.

Jeez, that's annoying, tell us what chipset will be used! :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Sweet slimport! Already have one for my N4.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] biggiestuff:
Yeah I need to order one before they all get snatched up!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
Thanks for the new info, Slimport sounds very interesting, and can be used while charging or using other USB devices. I wanted a HDMI port but this one looks better :good:

They should confirm how much RAM memory will have this new Nexus7 & the CPU :laugh:

@

engadget.com/2013/07/19/new-nexus-7-leak/

They say "on sale July 31".
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
I bet 4x512 MB LM-DDR3 1600 (= 2 GB) and Snapdragon 600@1.5 GHz.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Hopefully Google learned from the N4 Fiasco with Slimport and they have a version that does OTG as well.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
What is slimport and why is it so required?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] danvee:
HDMI video out to TV... :thumbup:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] zeroxia:
Will current SlimPort singles used on Nexus 4 support 1080p FullHD on the 2nd-Feb Nexus 7?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Most likely, It's a standard.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
I hope they price it

229$ 16gb

269$ 32gb

329$ 32gb LTE/HSPPA

I really want an LTE model

Sent from my Nexus 4 LTE @1.728 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
If you want tv output you can plug an adapter from your microUSB port to one of the standard outputs suported by that technology (hdmi, dvi, mhl, vga...) and at the same time still be able to use the usb for connecting other devices (charging the device or for connecting hard disks, gamepads, etc).
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] darkmatthew:
Slimport is from LG and tablet from Asus?WTF
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
No. Slimport is a STANDARD using the DisplayPort Standard!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheManii:
Slimport isnt even LG, slimport is a brand by analogix for their implementation of myDP.

Unless analogix proves otherwise, it should simply be a myDP link powered by a slimport controller on their device.

That same logic is like saying that tegra is motorola and WTF is asus using it (as the xoom is a nexus device in all but name, and the first google rom built tegra device)

They're simply trying to build up their brand and not scream to everyone that it's simply myDP, since they can sell more controllers that way.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
SlimPort is basically a MHL adaptor that doesn't require power.

You must buy the Slimport adaptor nothing else will work to give you HDMI output via the phone.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rushless:
Perhaps Prince ;) No sd slot and a fixed nav bar that makes it really a 6.4" display when using apps. Now, if it had a microsd slot and could hide the nav bar without rooting- then it would be King :) JMO, of course.

Rooting should be easy, so the nav bar is not really an issue. Need the storage for media though, since my Excite 7.7 is 32GB and tapped out for storage (Both GTAs, EA and Gameloft games take most of the space). My media and game roms go on the 64gb micro sd card.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] deprecate:
No offense but it sounds like you may need a priority realignment. :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BamAlmighty:
So a MHL adapter won't work on a slimport? Isn't it the same crap, you just don't need another power source on the slimport?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheManii:
MHL outputs HDMI signalling, myDP outputs displayport signals.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Who cares what tech it uses for tv out. It has it either way and thats more than we can say about the original
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheManii:
Except that the N7 did have MHL, and if you're upgrading you cant reuse your adapters
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
That's not what I heard, the memo370T tablet it's based off of had a physical mini hdmi port, but google had it removed to cut costs, and with the port being removed, their were no hard lines thus no way to enable tv out. Someone told me that on this forum, and said tv out isn't possible
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheManii:
It definitely had MHL, i saw my friend use it and there were multiple threads stating that it worked.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] biggiestuff:
Original n7 does not have mhl. Only otg
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheMrcool212:
@ 0:26 rear camera spotted.

Sent from my Galaxy S4 i9500
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
That looks sweet, I hope its not like the nexus 10 and made for landscape mode

Sent from my Nexus 7 [MENTION=1247388]1.6[/MENTION]0 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
But a rear camera without flash will be useless if you want scan documents, etc... :(
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
Yeah, also it appears the front camera is like way off center , but if it has a s4 pro and 4gb of ram (I don't actually think the s4 supports this much ram max being 2gb) then I will for sire buy it

Sent from my Nexus 4 LTE @1.728 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.

4Gb is a rumor. While it would be nice, pairing 4gb with a S4 pro is odd. 2gb would be logical. We'll see though. The more the merrier. Perhaps Google/Asus found that more ram the better and are starting a trend?

I've seen minor upgrades in chips that advance the support for current gen.

Now just playing the waiting game.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
Courtesy of [MENTION=2199119]evl[/MENTION]eaks
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
They probably dumped a ton of money in to R&D to determine this. Lol just messing. Hoping for 4gb as that would make this device virtually future proof, but its likely only 2 which I am fine with.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bcvictory:
Ew. Don't like that much at all! Why are the bezels so big on top and bottom? Why isn't the front facing camera centred? Why is the nexus horizontal but the Asus logo is in portrait? Hoping this render isn't the final one. At the moment I'd prefer the current design (besides the thickness)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jejunum:
Any idea if the sizes will be the same-wanted to order a case off ebay...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
Who knows why Google and Asus chose to put one logo in portrait and one in landscape. All I know it doesn't make sense and I really don't care because ill be looking at that hi res screen.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
I'm pretty sure it's a protoyype device. Who the hell puts speakers on top of the back panel?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
I believe that the reason of the speakers on those locations is because when you use the tablet for watching videos & music you put the hands in those places your own hands produce a louder sound in front of you. Is exactly what I do with my hand with the speaker of my ancient Ainol Novo7 Adv. tablet to be able to hear the videos.

For now the only 2 things that I disagree of the tablet are the lack of MicroSD and Flash in the rear camera.... but this second generation is good enough for me so I'll buy the 32GB version.

EDIT: From the screenshot is easy to see the led at the bottom and:

evleaks twiter: "Side by Side with original based on same size screen. Estimated dimensions 204.4x115.6mm. Longer and Thiner. "
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] pkrboo:
I would also say the off centre front camera is so when on Skype in landscape mode it is a easier not to cover it with your hand.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
Looks that today we'll have almost all the information regarding this device. New screenshot leak from evleaks... is nice, isn't it? :p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] wilsonlam97:
I'm pretty excited. Wireless Qi charging won me over.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lewythefly:
Why is it that this image appears to have a sim slot at the bottom left when looking at the back

but this one doesn't have anything????
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Maybe one is the LTE version and the other WiFi only.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lewythefly:
possibly, I didn't think about that :good:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rushless:
? If directed to me, seems pretty straight forward. Device storage for apps and sd card for media. Affords more storage for both overall. Not sure how priorities can be applied to something as subjective as an individuals own perception of use/priorities of a device. I travel too much to count on clouds, but others love them.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
If SD Card storage is your #1 concern when picking devices, then why are you even in the Nexus section? No Nexus will have external storage.

Personally, I like it. Makes it easier finding data when everything doesn't have a 50% chance to be on one storage medium. My Transformer was like that. Half my apps were here, half there. Pain to keep straight.

At least the original N7 had OTG for quick thumb drives. I'm not sure how the new slim port will act.

I think it looks sexy. Not huge on the sideways Nexus logo but I'm assuming it is just designed for landscape.

Fortunately I'll have a case on the back... Although now my case will now have a whole in it for the camera. :(

The protenzo book cases look so hot. Pretty hard making it look like a book now with a camera poking out.

Does it even have a flash. I'd be more excited for a flash[lite] then a 1.5m camera. Torch apps are super handy.

Speaking of cases, hopefully they offer a decent solution to a smart case. Everyone else has some. I don't think the original N7 Case Pro ever was released. It got very little press. I'm not talking about the official case. I'm talking about the official PRO case. Can't wait.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kent1146:
Won't happen. Ever.

Google is making the Nexus as a way to sell software and content through the Google Play store. They are not doing it to sell Android-based tablets.

It's the identical business model for Amazon Kindle. They made the Kindle to sell content (ebooks, video, TV shows) through their Amazon store. They did not make the Kindle to sell hardware. Therefore, it is not in their best interest to allow you to use content that you DIDN'T get through their online digital content store.

We're just in a weird position where the best Android tablet happens to be a Google Nexus. If a competitor made an equal-or-better Android tablet at a competing price point, with the option for external storage, then I'm sure it will be successful. But to date, nobody has.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] andAsh:
Have been watching this thread for a couple of weeks now. This is going to be my first Nexus regardless of any minor details. Very excited!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
This is what I do the 90% of the time with my smartphone rear camera... it should appear in the 3rd generation of this device.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Does the new one have haptic feedback?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
I don't think that's the finished product. They may very well have done prototypes with 4gb of ram, but I believe the final product will have a centered front camera and 2gb ram. I like the look of the prototype but the bezel needs to be thinner, part of being nexus is that is should look nice

Sent from my Nexus 4 LTE @1.728 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lewythefly:
New pictures and new wallpaper for 4.3

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...s-nexus-7-sporting-a-fresh-wallpaper-gallery/

Looks good
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Nbsss:
Ram is 2gb ddr3.

The s4 pro does not support ddr3, the sd600 does though.

Hopefully that's the chip we'll see...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
What is this thing at the Top-Left edge? is the place where you put the SIM card or the on-off button? that doesn't looks like a button & I never had a 3G tablet so I'm confused.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
Its the Sim card tray for the 3g version.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheMrcool212:
Yup, it is same as shown in the video. The nexus logo was placed in landscape mode as well.

Sent from my Galaxy S4 i9500
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
That is the final version, and it has 2 GB of RAM.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
As far as I know RAM and CPU are the only hw pieces not confirmed, only rumored. But is almost sure that is >=2GB.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
True, but there is no reason to think the Nexus 7, at that price, will have more than 2 GB of RAM.

The 256Mx16 doesn't mean 4 GB.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] javielillo:
I know, but dreaming is free. :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
By the way, I believe this was true after all, since so far, nothing the ASUS rep has said, could be proven false.

http://pocketnow.com/2013/07/01/nexus-7-refresh-specs
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Yea. That also sounds more legit. So it is basically a 7" Nexus 4.... for ~$200

well, except here it was said it was a S4 600 vs a Pro.

I'd gladly take an S4 600 w/ 2gb RAM vs S4 Pro w/ 4gb
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Its a gigantic nexus 4 and nothing wrong with that, in fact I'd prefer that. Thing is, ever since I bought my flyer tablet, getting both my devices on the same page has been impossible. When I got the flyer I was using the Samsung Captivate (AT&T Galaxy S1) as my phone and the flyer made it so sluggish I had to upgrade, so I upgraded to an HTC Vivid. Well the vivid made my Flyer seem slow and amongst other issues, when the nexus 7 came out I cut my losses, and sold the flyer towards the purchase of a nexus 7. Well you guessed it, the nexus 7 owned the HTC Vivid, and I eventually bought a Nexus 4 to replace it, and that's where I'm at now and yes the nexus 4 is faster, thought I wouldn't say it owns it, but the nexus 4 is consistently smooth and fast at all times, only time it lags is due to a poorly coded app, the nexus 7 however has random bouts of lag, and definitely doing certain tasks, you can see the nearly year difference in processing power.

But since the new nexus 7 is nearly identical internally, it makes it even more appealing to me than a snapdragon 600. But to be fair, I dunno how much difference a snapdragon 600 would make anyway, it's only a tiny bit faster and android's pretty much tapped out with the s4 pro anyway.

One thing that concerns me is ASUSes crappy io controllers. The random bouts of lag I speak of, io controller. And I'd be lying if I didn't say my lag issues improved after I uninstalled a bunch of games I wasn't playing. If Asus didn't fix this, then it really doesn't matter if it has a snapdragon 800 in it, it's the equivalent of building a bad as core i7 extreme edition pc with 16gb ddr3 and a top end nvidia graphics card then putting some crappy IDE 5400 rpm hard drive on it. Some things you can't cheap out on
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
I don't like how it looks narrower and longer than 1st gen, as if Google wants it to be landscape-oriented device, and that's totally not the way to make a 7" tablet (I mean, you all guys know that N7 is definitely suited to be a portrait orientation device, since it's pretty much a Phablet without phone calling capabilities)

I do like that it's thinner and has LTE now, though the current gen is pretty much thin and already is quite light (and LTE is just plain useless in Russia)

But I don't like how the Nexus logo is turned 90* counterclockwise with what seems to be a totally different back panel, it doesn't look as cool as N7's back is, and I hope it's still soft-touch plastic, not some plastic crap like on Sammy devices

The more RAM the better, I feel like 1GB is still not enough for an

Android tablet today, 2GB is okay, but 4 is kind of too much

As In said earlier - Snapdragon >>> Tegra, at least for gaming and less overheat (I often feel my N7 get really hot while doing GPU/CPU heavy stuff)

On the other hand, LED is awesome, weird front camera location is, well, weird, and it seems as if the second generation has slightly bigger display (especially since N7 doesn't have exactly 7" display, it looks more like 6.7 or so)

But FFS Google, MAKE THOSE UOPER AND BOTTOM BEZELS SMALLER, geez, it gives a feel of an iPhone 5 with small bezels on the sides and huge spacing in the upper and bottom parts of the front of the phone
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
I have a nexus 4, and its blazing fast, so a 7" nexus tab with same specs as the 4, but with a higher screen res, I hope its still real fast

Sent from my Nexus 4 LTE @1.728 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Requills:
So, with all the upgrades, what is now possible (or more possible) to do then with the previous Nexus 7?

With the slimport could I stream netflix in HD?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Yes slimport mirrors your phones screen exactly.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Requills:
You think it will work well?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] khaytsus:
I did some quick and dirty overlaying vs the original N7, I'm pretty sure it's almost exactly the same height, but about 7mm more narrow. I could be off a little.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] theniusofg:
I still remain skeptical. otherwise the original would have the same pronounced vertical borders. also youre assuming the two images are exactly to scale, they very well could be; or not. either way I'd like to actually hold it before I commit to purchase (but I really can't think of another product at this price point i would want.....)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DT84:
Do you think the tablet will be available soon (let's say first half of august) in europe as well, or should we expect it in... september?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
What do you mean? I use slim port with my N4 and it works perfect. Plug it in to your phone and plug an HDMI cable in to slim port and there you go.

The screen does stay on when using slim port, but there are apps to use to turn the screen off and still use slim port.

Check in the N4 accessories section for the SlimPort thread.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] khaytsus:
Of course I make sure the screens were the exact same scale... And for me personally, bezels are fine, I like to be able to hold the device vs have to cradle it so I can see the screen.

Biggest question for me is how does the storage hold up when full, BIGGEST problem on the Nexus 7 IMO. How to test that one on the new model would be somewhat difficult, but probably fill it to less than 1G free and just use it normally and see if there's any IO lag.

I'll also be super disappointed if the CPU is an S4 Pro rather than Snap 600/800.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MrPhilo:
The Nexus 7 2nd Gen dimension, apparently alot more compact than the Nexus 7 now.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/profile-photo-of-second-generation-nexus-7-leaks-reveals-its-dimensions/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Anyone seeing the time in those pictures is 4:30 = 4.3

I'm pretty sure we all know the new N7 will be released with a new Android update. I'm just making it obvious.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] harrisam11:
Anyone think the offset front facing camera is so it is less obstructed by your hands in landscape? It makes a little sense since holding it that way would make the nexus logo legible to people looking at you.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
I think Google made it to be used best in both landscape and portraits. I kinda like it. If Asus will fix my current 16gb n7, I wonder what I could even sell it for?

Sent from my Gnex@1.2 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Flippy125:
This is what I was thinking. The current camera placement prevents hangouts in landscape. It does bug me that the Nexus logo is landscape and the Asus logo is portrait.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Kingcool88:
Just sold mine for 195$ really happy with that!:) (Sweden)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
As far as Slimport is concerned I'm worried that it may have the same problem that the N4 has. The Slimport on the N4 doesn't provide the needed 5v to make OTG work so you need to have an External Power supply to make it work with a Kernel hack. Hopefully they didn't sacrifice this functionality.

EDIT: I forgot to mention my other concern. Qi Wireless charging. Most Qi Chargers released now output 0.5-1Amp. With a 4000mAH Battery that will take a long time versus the 2.1Amp corded charger (Assuming they use the same model as the OG N7) that comes with it. I FEAR they will have a new Qi Charger that will come out and going by past experience will be overpriced and take 6 months to come out. Oh and not to mention they are kinda small.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
OTG is really important on a tablet. I was recently at a training class where they passed a USB thumb drive around with important files and documents. Luckily one of the other techs had their OTG cable so I could participate.

Hopefully that was LG's fault and that Asus will make sure it works properly. Having to carry around a powered USB hub kinda defeats the purpose of mobility.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] slybunda:
so when is this going to be released?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Asus and Google know, ask them :P
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Supposedly they are announcing it tomorrow and sites like Best Buy and Staples show it available next Wednesday 7/30.

So who knows. With the original N7, shipping was delayed pretty bad if I remember.

I'm hoping that Google Announces tomorrow that they are currently available for purchase. Many stores had already confirmed their shipment of them. They are just being held. 2 weeks is a long time to hold stock (I guess). I'd be a happy man if I got my hands on one tomorrow.