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[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Now that's exactly the delusion I was talking about.

I said in my post that they were even struggling to get off the ground never mind anything else.

It's all part of it. Who's fault is it that they couldn't get the device in stores competently. They bit off more than they could chew. A plan that failed! Even a large proportion of the devices that made it in store were defective in some way or another. Mostly build equality issues.

One of the reasons why there has been such shortages. With such a high returns rate, you can't be surprised that it's hard to find the phone in stock anywhere for a sustained period. So many devices shipped but they've gone to a small number of people which each person going through one phone after another until they find one they can live with.

Who's to blame for all this? HTC, a plan that failed. You're talking nonsense! The htc One was unveiled before the Z went on sale, if people wanted it, they could have skipped the Z and pre-ordered the One and waited for delivery.

They didn't, the chose the Z. Take it like a man and stop hiding behind pathetic excuses.

HTC, to put it simply, bit off more than it could chew and is paying the price for it. An all aluminium casing, who's bright idea was that?

A 4mp camera, who's eureka moment what that?

In my opinion, the latter is the consequence of the former.

They decided to go with an aluminum casing which obviously pushed up the unit cost of production and so to keep retail prices in line, they compensated by throwing in a cheap camera and started with all this ultrapixel low light bull **** as a diversionary tactic. Marketing nonsense!

I don't ever recall there being a clamour for improved low light performance. We've got to the point where you've got tech reviews taking pictures in the dark just to show this off.

You know what I say to all that " Switch On The Damn Lights You Fools!!!". I can't imagine there being that many situations where you'll need to take pictures indoors without there being any lights available. Maybe in the nightclubs but that's it. To compromise on good light performance to have the option of taking better night club pictures seems a very silly and juvenile thing to do.

I put the htc One in the same category as the Xperia play. Misguided phones. Phones that could only really appeal to the more immature amongst us. The Xperia play with its slide out joy pad and the htc one with its boomsound crap and night club camera. Phones for teenagers and the very immature. Trouble is, there aren't that many teenagers who can afford the prices of such devices. The Xperia play was a failure and so too the htc one will prove to be.
[Xperia Z General] ashwin123:
Wow! this started with me saying the Xperia Z's screen & speakers weren't good... Is the HTC One having quality issues, yup... (if I were a fanboy I wouldnt be saying this) but my own device has been sent back...

Ill give you the following...

- Yup HTC seems to have QC issues (I wasnt aware at the time of making the video since nothing major was reported but when returning my own I started noticing some ppl have reported issues) - Sony doesnt

- HTC and only HTC is responsible for the One's delays - Sony has stock and better supply

- The camera on the XZ is better, lets have it... I said I prefer the One's camera and that doesnt mean I said its better and Ive said multiple times from the 1st page that the XZ performs better in lights... I have no idea why u keep going back to the cam

What I disagree on is...

- HTC One or no HTC One, for the price I (and you all) paid we deserve a screen with better viewing angles (irrespective of whether u use it straight at most times or not) How do u expect me to do a comparison where I dont point that out?

- Same thing with speakers... I did mention it was because of water proofing... I believe the ear piece is more important to a phone than waterproofing...

if you arent going to buy into the the whole a lower resolution camera for better low light performance argument then how come you are buying into lower ear piece output for waterproofing? if you are going to scream Switch on the Damn Light you fools, why cant a HTC One user scream back Keep your damn phone out of water you Fool? am not trying to insult, I really am not... I just dont get it... Both phones have a tradeoff "a feature not all will use" for "something all will use"... you get so annoyed at one while you support the other... how is that not biased?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I laughed so hard ( im not kidding nor trolling). Haven't you noticed that since the HTC One and S4 have been released, the Xperia Z became an after thought?

And why are you comparing it with the One? Im a samsung guy i could care less you bashing HTC. But in all honesty, the HTC One is an all around better device than the Xperia Z. I have some time to kill so here we go:

The HTC One is/has:

- A better display ( even the One X has a better display than the Xperia Z)

- Faster, better SoC

- Arguably a better design ( never have i seen a phone getting so much praise for its design and build, to the point that it becomes annoying)

- Faster UI

- Better sound quality ( amazing speakers vs you know)

- Better low light performance in camera

You bark about millions of folks falling in love with the display? Dont make a fool out of yourself, every review that i saw/read say that the display on this thing is a let down because of the washed out screen, sharpness is good. Im sure if you could trade for the HTC One display you would do it in a heartbeat. Get out of here, you're grounded. Call me when the XZ sells more than the Galaxy S 4.

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The HTC One has received praises all over the tech world. And you comparing it with the Xperia play? ...... Now you sound desperate.
[Xperia Z General] sdhanush1:
First, you do know why it has a better Soc right? Damn sake when xperia Z got released to the market there weren't S600 chipsets... HTC had the benefit of including those as they went onto production late...

Display- I don't even know from where to start, viewing angles fine for me.. My friends and I usually watch videos together and no one complained. This issue is blown out of proportion IMO. And not much people have complained who own the phone themselves.. Not even considering those so called "reviews"

Design- That is personal preference... Some people hate it some people love it.. And people don't but a phone because of its aluminium unibody alone.

Faster UI- Seriously? Sense ui is faster than Sony's? I'm considering not to take you seriously at all.

Better sound quality- The speakers on Sony's are not very loud as the HTC's I accept but I don't want to talk about the "amazing speakers" enhanced by the some crap called as BeatsAudio..

Camera- I don't have much to say in these... I don't care about low light performance.. If u want better camera's go for the Lumia's. And said that, the ultrapixel thingy has received whole lot of flak than praise.

Maybe we should have a poll how many would trade their Z's in a heartbeat for the One.. Would be interesting.

HTC one has received "praises all over the tech world" All over? Seriously?

Now you are just making things up.

Sent from my awesome Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
The only people that are fine and dont admit that the Xperia Z screen is washed out are you guys, the fanboys. Stop thinking with your emotions and use your brains and eyes.

If you enjoy a crappy washed out display then good for you. It certainly not blown out of proportion. Its because you're not comparing it with another phone thats why you're satisfied. Put it next to the S4, the One, the LG optimus G pro or Oppo find 5 and you will be disappointed in your phone's screen.

Sony UI is faster than sense 5? Prove it.

Yes the S600 came after and HTC has the benefit of coming after the XZ but it has a better SoC nonetheless no?
[Xperia Z General] sdhanush1:
My first owned Sony phone coming from a Nexus... Kinda sick of the saturated amoled's... Definitely not a fanboy... First I look at my phone straight... Yes straight... Viewing angles are good from this point... Second, if I tilt the phone also the colours are not too washed out and look decent too... I don't know from where did this all start.. I was sceptical before buying the phone and reading reviews about the display but after I bought it I'm thinking twice to believe to so called reviews... It is indeed blown out of proportion.. Or maybe I'm blind so I'm not able to find it out.. My apologies for that.

Maybe u can prove how Sony is slow.. Works right?

If Sony had released it later too it would also have the S600 Soc... But dumb Sony released it early and sold millions of units.. And in real life performance there is not much difference expect battery life.

I would like to add this here, the one got a rating of 1/10 in ifixit.com. Any replacement to be done you have have take the phone out separately.. Even replacing the screen is difficult.. Talk about build quality.

Sent from my awesome Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Who said the XZ is slow? Not me. I said the One is faster.

Even looking at the phone straight it is washed out. Watch this video, it does not lie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGYpo4_afI
[Xperia Z General] sdhanush1:
Oh yeah... The blacks are not blacks in that video.. Sucks for Sony.. Haven't notice that earlier with chrome just did now... I hope it can be fixed with s/w as the Xperia doesn't have bad h/w at all. And I don't get the haze thing he said... Maybe of the different panels.. Sony should up their QC

Sent from my awesome Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
The Haze thing is that white shade, kinda like white smoke thats on the screen. I may sound like a Xperia Z hater but im not. I love the design and the UI of the phone and probably would have bought but i cannot stand this screen.
[Xperia Z General] ashwin123:
Who cares about replacement... any issue, send it in, if its diff to replace, hell its htc's problem not mine...

U really are grasping at straws here, arent u?

And the whole I look at my phone straight takes me back to a certain manufacturer wanting ppl to hold their phones a certain way... we all know how that turned out dont we?

"Second, if I tilt the phone also the colours are not too washed out and look decent too... "

Therein lies the answer, when I pay top dollar for a device, I dont want "decent" or "not too washed out" I want "awesome" and "no washout"

Anyway noone said the display is unusable, the conversation here started because I said the xz has bad viewing angles and sub par speakers... maybe it doenst matter to you but thats fact...
[Xperia Z General] pandaball:
All that is going on here is a clash between very subjective things, and twisting of not-so-subjective things.

If you look at design, the XZ and the One have very distinct designs that are both very good. Truth be told, I liked the One's design a lot. It felt a lot better in the hand than the XZ. Perhaps it was the aluminium. However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's not much point arguing over this if it all boils down to personal preference. Same goes for things like UI, sound quality etc. To each his own.

However, when things like bad viewing angles crop up, I always have this question: What use case is there for good viewing angles? Who uses their phones at >35 degree angles? Why is this even an issue? Does it really matter if the colours are off if I view my phone at an angle (assuming I even do)? IMO, what matters is viewing it head-on, and the screen is reasonably bright, sharp and accurate. That's really all that anyone should care for, unless there's a really good reason why viewing angles matter.

Another thing about the speakers: this is personal preference here but I never, ever use the speakers for anything other than notifications and ringtones. It isn't bad by any means in quiet environments, but it is soft. In noisy-ish places it gets difficult to hear anything. However I guess tradeoffs are tradeoffs, and it depends whether one prefers waterproof or not.

Finally, everything above illustrates my last point, which is that

reviews are subjective

. Even when I was blabbering about subjective and not-so-subjective things, there's always an element of personal preference. Any review is always biased because the reviewer will always have his own preferences of things. The only way for bias to be eliminated is either the phone is so darn good that there is universal appreciation for it, or the phone is so crappy that it is universally despised. To date, no such thing. The past 4 pages of arguing and nonsense still boil down to personal preference, full stop. HTC One is better? Go for it. XZ is awesome? Break a leg. It's up to you. Continuing any of these arguments is pointless and a waste of time, because no one here is willing to change their points of view.
[Xperia Z General] ashwin123:
Fair enough (I dont accept your 35degree argument tho but still fair enough) am out (until someone starts up again ;) )

Ash
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I agree with most of the things you said except for the screen. You say most reviews are bias, yes and no. But every review i read said that the screen on the Z is washed out. Hell i said that the screen on the Z was washed out when it was announced way before the reviews came out and folks here called me crazy cause they have some type of love for sony. Turns out i was right, even looking straight at the screen, its washed out. Once again, this video says it all, you cannot possibly deny it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGYpo4_afI

Now if you're ok with it then good for you/ya'll, im not tying to make you guys dislike the phone but the FACT remains that the screen is washed out ( not accurate colors like some will try to say, look at the blacks on that vid and tell me if thats what black is supposed to look like), thats the only point im making.
[Xperia Z General] fahad2mail:
I actually really do not care about the washed out color of xz. I use both note 2 and xz but when I go outside I prefer xz cause of portability. Also need to mention that in Bangladesh it's rainy season now. I feel much more safe with xz than note 2 in this weather. And ya compare to note 2 the screen like washed out but I believe this is the accurate color. Samsung is making many people believe that oversaturated color is good and they believe it. Those people can't enjoy laptop display, LCD or led tv, or other LCD mobile. And I do not like it. Even after this, I will buy s4 when that available to Samsung showroom. Not cause of display but the functions. And eventually will buy note 3. I do not hate Samsung, I like everything of them except display. Even if you select movie mode or normal mode it can't produce accurate color. I think it's the drawback of smiled. Other than that if you really want eye catching color, smiled has no match out there. I am satisfied with both mobile. And you should too. Do not argue what it can do or what not. Just ask yourself that you are satisfied or not. If yes no need to argue. If not change it. Nobody is forcing you. Thanks.
[Xperia Z General] wyterabitt:
It is not a fact, it is a subjective opinion you have made - at leat for now (im not arguing one way or the other but it is certainly not a fact).

Also, are you sure that screen is supposed to be black? Because I just opened up the service test and went to black, and scrolled between that Chrome screen and the actual black it can display and they are not even close to being the same - the Chrome screen is supposed to be grey as far as I can tell which would put at least one of the other screens as failing that test.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I mean seriously? You have got to be kidding right? Have you watched that vid? the part where all 3 phones are at the youtube part and the display is suppose to be black but its greyish on the Z? Subjective my a%&.
[Xperia Z General] wyterabitt:
Except I can't replicate that, on full brightness, no auto, I just loaded up youtube and got a black screen on a video and it looks nothing like in this video. It also doesn't look like that in the service test. Or am I only supposed to believe what you say and any videos that you happen to want people to look at and nothing else?

You cannot call it washed out against a different type of screen that technologically is guaranteed to be able to do blacks better - that is just silly so immediately we are down to between two screens. Add in the reflection in the Z not in the Nexus in the video (which is a problem that can be debated, I have a problem with that) along with the fact I can't actually replicate this effect on an Xperia Z in my hand in front of me and yes it is subjective and not a proven fact at all - and I'm not trying to say it is a proven fact the other way in case that is what you think as it's not.
[Xperia Z General] nazrin313:
I had a play with the htc one in the shops yesterday and compared the screen with my XZ. Note that only on the homenscreens thou, with both devices set on adaptive lighting they are 100% similar but with both devices at 100% brightness with adaptive settings off the htc wins hands down.

But the htc ones im the shops had build issues thou, minor gaps between the speaker and the body, jagged usb ports and even on of them ( i actually took out 3 units) the power button was flush on the left side and protruded on the right.. Baad baad htc

But should i find a perfect one I would definitely consider getting one.. I kinda like it, already have the S4 for the wife, so im guessing owning the top 3 phones in the world is a definite win hahah
[Xperia Z General] pandaball:
I used the service menu test for display, I can't replicate the grey-ish "black" in the video at all. It looks perfectly black to me.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Who gives a **** what a small minority of tech geeks say and do on the web. The people who matter are the consumers and they have embraced the Z in large numbers while the HTC One has been overlooked.

If you're too stupid to understand the crux of my argument then that's your problem.

I wasn't comparing the One to the play technically, I said both devices were misguided in their conception.

The simple truth is techstreet might prefer the HTC One but mainstreet has voted overwhelmingly for the Z. If I were a manufacturer, I know who's vote I'd much rather have and it ain't that of the geeks.

I return back to my starting point, the Z is a smash hit. Talk as much crap as you will about it. It's immaterial, you can't touch it. It's much much bigger than you.

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All this talk is getting boring. Who gives a damn what you can't stand, if you don't like it, don't buy it. I didn't see Sony holding a gun to anyone's head.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
The One has been overlooked uh? Right. The Z became an after thought since the One and S4 came out. If you enjoy the inferior phone, good for you :)

Ill keep giving my opinon, if you don't like it you can blow it out your a$$. " mainstreet has overwhelmingly voted for the Z...." where? You have a poll?
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
I think your comments continue to be just silly and thoughtless.

BTW yes, techsites are often awfully biased these days. They don't even try to give equal credit to all the top devices on the market.

Yes, Z made a great vibe across the average users and HTC just didn't. Neither SGSIV which is disappointing compared to what SGSIII was.
[Xperia Z General] Dpk1:
Dude.. giving your opinion on anything is fine, but forcing it on.. that's not cool! Now, having read this entire thread, all I get is your whining about XZ screen which is quite lame imo as you don't even own one! On the other hand the screen seems totally fine to the actual owners of XZ. I mean, you are welcome to post your opinion & I do get that you don't like the XZ screen, but you should understand that it gets boring (even annoying) to read the same complaint over n over & that too from a non-owner.

I have the XZ and I chose it over the GS4 for various reasons & my preference of the XZ screen over the S4's being one of them. I am not saying that XZ screen is better than S4 (I like S4's better blacks & wider viewing angles), only that I find it (XZ) more useful for my use (as in daylight viewing, crisper/sharper text while browsing, better white balance). As for the HTC one, I have my reasons for not considering it & screen is not one of them. Having said that, I agree that sony could improve its screen in certain aspects (esp. black levels & wider viewing angles), not that they matter a lot to me but because they might to others.
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
Is it a trend to use a phone sideways these days?

Sent from my Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
Just a calm comment from me

You are wrong..Galaxy S4 i agree has taken over [not as big as S3 in terms of praise] but definately sales..And i see what you did there..You are trying to make it as BOTH htc one and S4 have achieved that..No my man..Thats just the S4 and the power of Samsung marketing!

As far as HTC ONE goes, i went to a local seller and asked him about the release date of ONE..and he told me its already released long back and he ACTUALLY showed me the HTC ONE X :P

I would never hope bad for HTC but they have axed their own foot..confusing names, ads, marketing..They were the first android phone..I hope they dot crumble..So much nostalgia..

HTC One sales are nowhere near the Xperia Z..And i am not talking about total sales as that would be unfair as htc has released later..But the sales in same amount of time..In fact Note 2 still sells more!
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
i don't own one but i have held it. To each his own. The XZ isn't a bad phone by any means, but i don't wanna repeat myself. Actually i just said earlier that the screen was crap and someone overreacted and defended sony as if thy get paid by them. If i feel like the XZ has a subpar screen, why hate? Its my opinion but if someone gets mad at it i could care less. I do respect your opinion though not like the other fanboys.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

ALL your 1000 posts in this Z forum have been the same - XZ has such a bad screen blah blah blah. Don't you get bored posting that same thing ?

And since you're buying the S4 why the **** do you care about Z screen so much ? Did your gf leave you because of Z's bad screen or something ?

Please, just stop this crap. Your opinion isn't worth more than mine or anybody else's. In fact in this forum your opinion is worth LESS than REAL owners.

So just stop with the drama