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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
Look I love android the way it is and not going to switch to iOS or windows phone in their current state. However that does not mean I am not going to criticize android for where it lags behind the competition.

The OVERALL performance of the nexus 4 is really good I am not trying to deny that and yes it certainly flys past the GS3. The lag here and there is by no means a deal breaker but it IS something that google SHOULD address.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ridearoundsolo:
Honestly the n7 needs a speed boost but like I said my n4 just flies, although I miss features that skins like sense and touch wiz bring to the table that can't make up for the stability and speed the n4 has, android is always maturing and nexus owners are the first to see what Google has in store for us
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DirgeExtinction:
My girlfriend's iPhone 4 with the latest iOS lags and stutters a bit. Actually, it does so much more than my N4.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ridearoundsolo:
Same here for my lady, she gets so frustrated with her 4, she will always use an iPhone though due to its simplicity but she envies what I can do on my n4, I showed her a hello kitty theme chooser theme and that did it for her
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PelegK:
Same Here.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DirgeExtinction:
Haha, mine loves using my phone every now and then because it's different than iOS. She likes the lock screen, the home screen, the app drawer, the fact that it has on screen buttons, etc. She got upset with the phone since she lost all her photos, apps, and contacts when she received the latest update since she didn't know about iCloud. :/ I'm glad Google(and OEMs) don't wipe your entire phone when sending OTA updates.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rskyline:
I compared my N4 to a Blackberry Z10 and the scroll at least on whatsapp and twitter is way more fluid and lag free over the z10. I don't saying that my phone laggs a lot because its only a little hiccups. But is there and maybe most of people don't notice it because don't compare with other platforms flagships. And i mean only the scroll lag. In everything else i still can't find any phone faster than my N4 :P

Enviado desde mi Nexus 4 usando Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Zel:
Hi all, is the lag so evident? What If you change rom? I'd like to buy this device, but this might make me change my mind...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
Its the least laggy android device you can buy right now so no there is nothing to change your mind over especially given the phone you currently have.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ridearoundsolo:
My only gripe with this phone is the screen in outdoor daytime use, and its audio is too low but that's fixed with Franco kernel
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
Lag will be gone if they render assets like how the Ui receives higher priority in iOS. There's an article with a Google engineer that explains lag.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bill Gamble:
+1
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fabriciohss:
Those who say that there is no scroll lag, please, make a video of your phone while scrolling trough your whatsapp main window (the one where all your conversations/groups are listed).

Really, for science.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] randomnoob83:
If the don't see lag then why should they
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fernandezhjr:
I keep seeing whatsapp getting mentioned. Hmmm.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fabriciohss:
I don't mean to be rude, believe me. I just mentioned Whatsapp because is the most popular app around (which, for some odd coincidence, also happens to show the aformentioned issue), so there is a good possibility that someone has the same opinion as anyone complaining about the so called scroll lag.

It must become clear that, this is not the laggy situation where one would go like this: "OOOOH MY F****NG GOD I CAN'T USE THIS APP IT LAGS LIKE HELL".

It is, in fact, something like "Damn, there are some stutters here and there...I've seen worse phones doing better".

In conclusion, I might say that it is even comparable to how people spot FPS differences in graphical applications. Some people are fine with 30 fps, while others (like me) can tell the difference between something running at 60 and 75 FPS.

It is basically the same issue. You can compare the animations in the link below like this:

15 fps = Android before project butter (from cupcake to ICS)

30 fps = Jelly Bean (butter, yay!...but yet not soo good)

60 fps = Any iphone you can spot out there.

http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

By the way, it even happens while scrolling through any android settings page. Stock roms, AOSPA, AOKP,CM, performance governors, interactive, ondemand you name it.

Finally, as someone mentioned, there is an interview with someone from google that explains why this lag happens on android devices, and not on iOS. But I'm too lazy to find it now :o

Thats it, I'm out.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
No its not really the same thing as 30fps and 60fps, there is stutter in scrolling and a stutter however minor it maybe is easily noticeable.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fabriciohss:
I think I was not clear enough.

What I was trying to say about the FPS thing is that, some people see it, some people will die saying that it doesn't exist.

It was just a comparison.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CGY Guy:
So, tell me folks... Does no one else see the irony in that this guy is yakking about lag on Android in the N4 forum, but posting from an Nexus S? W.T.F.? 512 RAM against 2G RAM. 1G CPU single up against 1.5 dual core? Bwahahahahaha!

My N4 has no lag.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shadehh:
Well, i have an n4. Though im using the paranoid Android version which is currently in alpha or is it beta stage? So I can't complain. With android I would say there is a certain limit that need to be reached before you can expect decent performanc. I think that would be any device from the galaxy s 3/ nexus 4/ optimus g and onwards.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
Read the whole thread you smartass.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fernandezhjr:
I can see the difference between the three, but no way would I say my N4 performs like 30fps. It is more like the 60fps with a slight drop in fps with certain apps, mainly web apps. What I mostly see when scrolling thru contacts lists is the natural lack of fluidity. Think of it this way. You have a flip book of an animation of a guy walking down the street. The fluidity of the images is gonna make the guy walking look smooth. Next, take the images and shuffle them around and then do the flipping. Flipping them at the same speed should mean that you have the same smoothness, and you do. It just doesn't appear that way because fluidity is lost. This is the way it appears when you scroll thru a contacts list and why it is a poor example to check for lag. There is no connection between the contacts and pictures and it gives a natural jittery appearance. With web, it is more noticeable due to the graphics having to be loaded. Internet speed will also play a factor with this. I have observed this with other phones, including the iPhone. The interview you mention, I believe may be the one I have seen where the person discusses hardware acceleration. As I have stated, there are some times when I can denote some slight lag, but usually I have to be looking for it really hard to detect it. Even facebook has improved greatly considering it is web based with lots of graphics. I think you guys are being way way too picky. With gaming, there should be constant fluidity, so I could understand any break with fluidity due to lag in regards to gaming being an annoyance, but I don't do any intense gaming on my phone, so I don't know.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crisisx1:
Does this eat more battery?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
This is a hardware issue. The touchscreen controller is substandard and has a massive input latency of even 300ms on some devices like the Galaxy Note series. It can never be resolved on existing devices. The iPhone has a touchscreen latency of less than 50ms.

Even after 6 years, these copy cat morons don't understand that the reason for the iPhone's success is because of the instantaneous touchscreen feedback. As soon as you touch an object on the screen it needs to move like you're physically interacting with it. When this fails, the device feels laggy and unresponsive like every single Android device. It doesn't matter how fast it loads or how fast it scrolls from top to bottom when there is constant touchscreen input delay.

The biggest joke is when you can see the input lag in a 23fps YouTube video of a device where the person is scrolling and the image is visibly trailing behind his finger.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Source?

Skickat från min Nexus 4 via Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
No lag here. I don't know what single core phones you have but works fine of the One S...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Demonseye:
I do not agree with you. From Cupcake to ICS (Depending on the devices)

I had a SE Xperia Neo running 4.0.4, and yes it performed at 15fps, due to the poor port that Sony made (bloatware everywhar) My Xperia Ion running 4.0.4 performed at 30fps without any slowdown,

Project Butter is made to "mimic" the iphone's response when you touch the screen. so basically, on my N4, the transitions and stuff are all at 60FPS (or a little slower, depending on which app I use, Facebook is without any doubt the worst out there.)

Now on topic, I feel that it's not "scroll lag". It's just that when going up or down a list, (SMS for example), texts scrolls too fast for your eye to see. But I feel no lag whatsoever when scrolling. Snappy as hell :D

[MENTION=4188280]KurianOfBorg[/MENTION] : Don't go in the N4 thread to troll about it being unresponsive. Please. Most Android VS Iphone comparison are made using low-end Android devices (which result obviously in lag), against a €700 device.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
Time to see your eye Doctor buddy.:eek:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Demonseye:
Already did ;)

But anyway, who cares? N4 is faster in terms of processing. I can live with a slight scroll lag, as long as I can change everything to my liking. Which is, obviously, impossible on iOS and WP.

If versatility comes at the price of a slight scroll lag, then I can bear it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
This is the input lag I'm talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E406xXr4Mok#t=124s

Jailbroken iOS does MUCH more than rooted Android, sadly. Unofficial developers don't put in the same amount of effort on Android as they do with Cydia tweaks. Till now, there is not a single decent app that downloads YouTube videos. All of them are crappy and buggy with horrendous UIs. Look at the quality of the equivalent tweak on iOS. That entire interface is integrated inside the official YouTube app!!!

[YOUTUBE]FQoKRSjZMio[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forever_lol:
Come on not all of them. Many of them do but there are also really silky smooth ones: root explorer or google plus are really great examples here. Minor stutter has always been here. It doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure we're gonna see some progress in optimization field in close future.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fensterbank:
Android has the worst Stock Browser (And I mean the Chrome Browser and not AOSP) ever. Chrome is lagging like hell, Internet Explorer and safari are way more better in therms of smoothness.

Both.

It doesnt matter which ROM you take, the lag exists. Its a big issue deep inside in Android.

Yes, this is one of the points why windows phone and iOS are way more smooth then Android.

Yep, I really want to see a video from the guys who write "I have no lag", but I guess there will NEVER be any video of a lagfree Nexus 4.

Your N4 HAS LAG. You just dont notice it. Its the same like some people can play Games with 30fps, and others just can play with 60fps. And by the way: The hardware doesnt really matter, how much a android phone lags. My galaxy w for example is laggy in several situations in several apps, but my Nexus 4 does lagg in the same apps and situations, just less.

....

Nope, the "devs" here can't do anything against it.

In really old apps from the gingerbread/froyo times this could do a little bit, but this isn't a solution.

Its NOT the governor. Set the governor to performance and then scroll in tapatalk/facebook and then tell me it's smooth, you won't do it.

But anyway, the real points why many apps in android and even the launcher itselfes lags are the following:

- Android does not has a seperate UI rendering thread, that means the UI rendering does has a normal cpu and gpu prioty like every else process does have; in iOS and probably in windows phone you have a UI rendering thread, that means you have always enaugh CPU and GPU capacity reserved for doing a fluid animation

- Android has nearly no Hardware Optimization. How should Android should have it? There are over 50 different CPU's and GPU's, the RAM depends from 256MB to 2GB. Tell me, how should any developer can optimate their apps for every single device? This is not possible. And THIS is the biggest downside from a open-source OS. Every manufacturer can build their own ****ty hardware in their own ****ty device. Microsoft makes it better, they just allow a few hardware components. Thats the reason why the apps and the system will ALWAYS runs better on a windowsphone and iPhone, then on a Android-phone.

And no its not possible to just put in Android a prioty-UI-rendering-System like iOS because every app which is now in the playstore is based on this framework, this means if you change the priority-system EVERY app has to be rewritten, and this means android would start from 0 again. This WON'T happen! Android is ****ed up. The only solution is to put more and more hardware in the phones, which reduce more and more the battery life.

And yes it pisses me off that many apps on Android run poorly. We are in the year 2013 and have quad core-trash in our phones, but its NOT possible to scroll a stupid list without lag? THATS A SHAME.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
For a guy who has less than 30 thanks and is a senior member you have a lot to say.

If your phone is 'laggy' please don't say that other users phones are too. You don't have my phone or anyone else's so stop acting like you know it all...

Jesus... You don't need to get upset over an Operating System... Maybe it's just your brain that thinks there is lag because mine is working perfectly well here.

Since you sound like the type of person who always wants to have the last word when someone tells you something, go ahead.

Your move.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forever_lol:
No offense but for a guy with RD title you didn't post anything more substantial here. He at least tried to give some explanation to such behavior and pointed out differences between three differen platforms. Argument: "you don't see my device" sounds bit naive. I've never owned anything different but android so I don't have a frame of reference. I've owned 6 android devices so far and my next device will also be an android due to the reasons I don't have to explain to anybody. But I must admit that minor scrolling lag has always been existent on each of my handsets (of course not within every single app but none of those six devices was totally lagfree). I just could live with that.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gie62001:
Have you tried tubemate? And to be honest there's almost no app in iOS for dowloading YouTube videos (not the free ones).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
That's cute

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=42583934&postcount=13
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fensterbank:
Are you serious? First of all, dont quote my whole post, if there aren't any post between yours and mine. Better for the clarity. And yes I have just 30 thanks and I'am just a senior member, but its seems that I have more knowledge then you. And by the way, its pathetic to judge a person by his thanks and post counter.

My brain works properly, I'am definitely sure that tapatalk, giga, facebook and all the other apps are lagging while scrolling. If you think I'am wrong, proof it. I used beside my n4 a s4, htc one, htc one x and a galaxy s3 and the lags exists on all of the devices. I'am sorry but I can't believe that these apps I have listed are smooth on your nexus 4, when they arent smooth on my nexus 4. I even restored my nexus 4 a few weeks ago, because I thought I installed bloatware, but the apps still ran bad.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forever_lol:
That's really impressive list indeed. I do not question your knowledge. I am the one that benefits from guys like you (devs) to be honest :). But what does it have to do with our topic?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
I do what I want. I'll quote all post if I want too... It's not against XDA.

Of course you have more knowledge... Where is my manners... Forgive me... I'm just a 16 year old who knows nothing... It's not like I got Sense 5 working on One S, Note 10.1 ROM for the Note II or Motorola Blur for Nexus 4... Sorry :P

Anyway, stock deodexed ROMS are very smooth. And never encountered this 'lag'

Edit - Android OS doesn't have lag. Maybe the apps do because the app devs may have not refined it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fensterbank:
It is a Android issue AND a app issue. Its just the concept behind android which show up these lags. I tested a deodexed rom on my galaxy w, but the lags on tapatalk/facebook and so on didn't dissappear. I don't know what makes you so sure, why deodexed roms is the solution for the "lag-issue" on android.

He thinks he is better, because he has a higher post/thanks and phone counter, lol.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesertHawk:
*She

Now your thinking for people. What's next?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
Wow @ the amount of disrespect and biased non argumented discussions going around here :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] playya:
Ouch!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
The way I see it lag is a part of Android. I've used every version of Android with all the devices listed in my sig and each and everyone of them have had lag. Lag become prominent after Donut(1.5) was released, after that overall performance began to decrease despite hardware improvements. When I got my Sensation(dual core) it seemed to lag even more than my mytouch despite more cores, it seems like we need to throw a significant amount of power at Android in order to sustain 60+FPS. Scrolling in many apps can be a pain and tapatalk definitely lags for me even if I overclock and use Roms with linaro 4.9 and other optimizations.

We'll likely have to wait for A57's and DDR4 RAM if we want to see more fluid animation in Android, the current hardware available is not capable of providing the seamless experience seen from iOS 6/7 or WP8(due to software complications).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buizon:
I'm not expert on mobile platforms but maybe it is correct to say that some not all apps lags on android. Well probably because for a mobile platform android has an almost true multitasking feature. Second android has more integration to all application like if we are in file explorer we can assign a certain app for this file type. Android tends to be more resource hog. Ios has multitasking but it they say its not really multitasking based also on my experience. Windows 8 apps application i belieive have smooth apps because it has far less integration on other apps. I'm not a fanboy of any mobile platform but i'm pretty much impress on how android evolve over the years. Ios and windows (known before as windows mobile) was the mobile platform of choice and android on the other hand is still in its incubation stage. I'm not surprised if ios or windows phone is much more smoother than android since they were pioneers of mobile platform but for android to catch up i guess someone has to be impressed.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
- I have no scroll lag in Google+, People, Phone, Viber, Currents, DropBox, Messages,Music, Gmail, and bunch more (all the Google apps are 100% smooth).

- I have some scroll lag in Whatsapp outside a conversation...(inside it's smooth) and Tapatalk Beta...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
1st point: you should address the lag on the sensation to HTC instead of considering it a general android problem. You can't expect Google to take responsibility for a heavily modified version of android.

2nd point: android went through a few important phases, donut-froyo-ics i would say , and you can talk about pre/post era of each, so it's not within any logic to compare donut or eclair with for example ics or jb.

3rd point: if you face lag and problems with third party apps, you can bash the whole ecosystem, the app developers, anything, but you can't say it's a general OS problem. if you're seeing lag in every single app and in parts of the OS itself, then you surely have a problem, and might want to try a different device, different setup, different platform etc..

what i don't understand, if people are not satisfied with their mobile platform/performance/ecosystem/hardware , why do they torture themselves, and keep whining about it in forums. Wouldn't a move to WP8, iOS or blackberry be a better solution instead?

and finally, just a small correction, 1.5 was cupcake, 1.6 was donut.

oh, and fyi, iOS is far from 60+fps. cheers.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gambler_3:
Android has input lag as well compared to iOS and windows phone. Its all very slight and one doesn't notice it until you compare side by side.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fernandezhjr:
I would rather deal with some very slight thing that is not noticeable than deal with staleness and dullness of iOS.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
Irony is I'm reading this thread on nexus 4 with aosp browser and it's scrolling around like a pane of glass on a film of oil.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forever_lol:
Then I will try to explain that to you. IF i like 90% of a device A and only 10 % of a device B, should I ever consider getting a device B as a rational choice?

According to your logic everybody who purchases device A should automatically promise to keep his/her mouth shut and never mention these 10% he/she likes slightly little less about it?

Plus...it's not even complaining it's just stating the obvious. I don't know why people get so upset about it. Android is not as smooth as different platforms. So what? The difference is slight and It has still much more to offer at least for me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
Thank you very much for

trying

to understand my logic, kindly next time refrain from doing that. cheers
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forever_lol:
Just trying to help. Didn't realise it sounded so harsh. No hard feelings :) :beer:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atulalvenkar:
This is wrong. The Google plus post on this was by an ex Google intern and not a Google engineer.

The Google engineer than debunked this in her own G+ post . There is no high priority thread in iOS for UI.

There is a lag in android with certain apps. I think it's due to the overhead introduced by Dalvik VM environment. iOS and windows run code natively and hence don't have this overhead.

It's an engineering tradeoff that's required to make apps hardware architecture agnostic.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italia0101:
Doesn't iOS still freeze when you touch it ?