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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
From a marketing standpoint, this would be a bad idea. Giving the customer too many choices results in loss of sales. You'd be better off releasing 2 Different types of tablets at 2 different times. A phone and tablet aren't in the same market space, so releasing a 10" tablet and a mobile phone is ok. Really their 7" in June and 10" in November is great.

I know most people don't do this, but you'd get more sales from the enthusiasts because they'd constantly keep buying a new device every few months, instead of picking one over the other.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
My only issue with updating them at different times is how outdated the n7 hardware is in comparison to the 4 and 10, and by the naming scheme they are supposed to be the same generation
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Flippy125:
Accidentally broke the contacts for the WiFi antenna off my N7 last night. Now I'm REALLY hoping for a new version soon. Using a temporary fix, superglued pieces of aluminum foil to the pads since Im out of town with no soldering iron or wire
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] FitAmp:
Super glue, LOL

Gunna be a biatch to get off :p you can get liquid solder that works decently
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Flippy125:
Acetone peels it right off without harming the contacts
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] FitAmp:
Acetone also eats away at plastic, and paint coating
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] veeman:
Don't dunk the tablet in acetone. Apply it carefully and it'll be fine.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] FitAmp:
Well duh ahaha, low concentrated acetone works great. Like use nailpolish remover. I use pure acetone at work, that stuff isn't something to mess with :p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Flippy125:
Much cheaper to buy a tub of acetone and water it down yourself.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] FitAmp:
T'is true my friend :p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IRX120:
Yeah, it also makes the skin peel off your fingers lol

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gc84245:
More rumors, but this time about Android 4.3

http://androidcommunity.com/google-teases-android-4-3-in-latest-play-store-app-listing-20130605/

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Flippy125:
I'm thinking the rumor about an announcement tomorrow was made up. Usually by now we would have had at least a blurrycam leak if it had been true
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
This just passed thought the Bluetooth SIG running 4.3

http://m.androidauthority.com/7-inc...lly-bean-tablet-spotted-bluetooth-sig-224452/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Asus K008 is a 10" device that went through the FCC earlier this year, so a 7" version of this maybe?

http://androidheadlines.com/2013/05...gon-s4-pro-tablet-passes-through-the-fcc.html

The White N4 is available on the Google Play Store (and comes with a Free White Case) as promised. All of the images show the time as 4:20 just like the black models. Typically Google hints the version number via the time, such as the latest Google Keyboard shows 4:30. Still no sign of the 4.3 update today. Although it is still kinda early in California.

I do remember the Asus ME370T (N7) was also passed through Bluetooth SIG with the 4.3 software version... but so did the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 and others. This is the first mentioning a new device.

Perhaps today is nothing more then a new color of the N4. I thought I read somewhere it was shipping with 4.3 but who knows. Google always releases a new device with each Android Update. A change in color hardly qualifies. Maybe the new N7 and 4.3 is scheduled for another time.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] c0in:
Do you think it's worth waiting for this one instead of buying one Nexus 7 now?

I don't see any concrete information saying that this will be released soon or even this year...

I'm itching to get one
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] phonic:
The device is so inexpensive that there really is no reason to wait. Not to mention that there is zero concrete evidence about what the Nexus7 2.0 is going to have that the current one lacks. We know that external storage isn't happening. Odds are it will be a better screen, possibly some better build quality, maybe some more memory or better quality storage. All in all, I doubt it will be revolutionary.

Also, keep in mind, the first batch of N7s had some major quality issues. That seems to have been fixed, but it was a concern for many people who had to return their unit 1-3x before they got a good one. This is a frequent problem with any mass produced gadget, as it takes time before they iron out any flaws that were missed in pre-production. So you probably don't want to get the first one off the assembly line.

So my suggestion is to spend the ~$200 now, enjoy your tablet, and when a new model comes out and is ready, and if it has something you want that the current N7 doesn't, sell your old one for ~$100 and buy the next version.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Yea I am in no rush now. I got my current situation resolved and no longer rushing to buy a new tablet. This means my N7 and I will be together for a little while longer, which is fine by me.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Nate2:
Does the rear camera have a flash that I can also use as a powerful flashlight, like my DroidX? Lol!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Qbancelli:
Coming in July for $229

Latest rumor from Digitimes:

http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/06/nexus7-july/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dustinhayes93:
Even if it does come with the new snapdragon. Wouldn't the tegra still be about the same for gaming?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
it would not make much difference ;)

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Well, at least we wouldn't have problems with performance, ports, optimizations, etc.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BamAlmighty:
Even Cnet is getting in on this action http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57589297-94/here-comes-googles-next-gen-nexus-7-says-ihs/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
Remember the Asus K009 tablet I posted about, well it just passed through the FCC with nexus branding.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/14/unknown-asus-k009-tablet-clears-fcc/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Hmm, this is so strange..

So now we wait for Autumn's Google I/O?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
I'm thinking July at a press event. Here is some more info

http://m.androidauthority.com/new-nexus-7-android-4-3-fcc-226848/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
ok so today i've read that the new nexus 7 features an s4 pro and

price starts [MENTION=3462910]229[/MENTION] dollars.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] trssho91:
The qi and new CPU are exciting, but the ram will be my deciding factor... If its 2gb then I'm sold. If its 1.5 GB like the tab 3 or remains at 1gb I'll just hold onto my first gen. I can def see a difference between 1 and 2gb ram between phones.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
So the perfect N7 2 formula so far:

Snapdragon S4 Pro / 600 instead of Tegra

Same screen resolution

Smaller bezel

64GB model

LTE support

2GB of RAM

4500 mAh battery

Android 4.3 out of the box (well, duh)

Rear camera

Same IPS display

Correct me at your desire
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] HarmonyFlame:
1080p. Otherwise your good.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bftb0:
+MiraCast (this time for reals, Google.)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Is Google or the manufacturer responsible for such feature support?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bftb0:
Hard to say as it has both hardware, software and minimum performance dependencies. I guess my snarkiness comes from the fact that Google's marketing materials around the time of the original N7 release indicated that we would get it, and then they doubled back on that without public comment.

I suppose I should just say, if it is branded as a Nexus device, the buck stops at Google.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
This is the new nexus 7 k008 is WiFi only and k009 is the lte version

"This tablet features a 7” LED-backlit capacitive multitouch screen for easy carrying and fantastic multi-media experience everywhere. It is enpowered by Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 Quad-core CPU with the highest performance. Wireless networking ensures simple connection to the Internet without wires"

Source:https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/EPL_Detail.cfm?ProductID=30096

FCC states Qualcomm Apq-8064 which is the s4 pro, the Bluetooth SIG probably made a mistake with mixing up the processor name.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
That spec sheet doesn't tell much though, like actual numbers and not those codes
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
Those codes are model numbers for the parts inside the device either way this is what is provided by the FCC.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
So I decided to google the battery model, and looks what I've found:

ASUS ME571K (K008)

ASUS ME571K (K008)

FCC approval date: 30 May 2013

Country of manuf.: China

FCC ID: MSQK008

Industry Canada ID: 3568A-K008

Power: 5.2 VDC, 1.35 A

CPU1: Qualcomm APQ8064

FLA1: 32 GB (Hynix H26M64002DQR)

RAM1: ? MB (Brand? Model?)

802dot11 WI1 chip 1: Qualcomm Atheros WCN3660

abgn, 1x1:1

Categorized as: tablet computer

Stock OS / FW: Android

Flags: bluetooth, NFC

OUI: none specified

The mainboard model is ME571K_MB.

The device is using a Qualcomm APQ8064 (Snapdragon (System on Chip) on Wikipedia), 1067 NSP

The Wi-Fi IC is a Qualcomm Atheros WCN3660 (802.11a/b/g/n, 1x1:1)

The LCD panel in use is a JDI (Japan Display Inc.) LT070ME05000.

The battery in use is an ASUS C11P1303 - 3.8VDC, 3950mAh / 15Wh

The front-facing camera is a Lite-On 12P2BA536.

The rear facing camera is a Chicony CJAC53220003870LH.

Chargers mentioned are..

ASUS PSM06A-050Q (100-240VAC ~ 50/60Hz, 0.25A -> 5.2VDC, 1.35A)

ASUS PA-1070-07 (100-240VAC ~ 50/60Hz, 0.3A -> 5.2VDC, 1.35A)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
The APQ8064 is the S4 Pro, not the 600 like some people are saying.

Although they seem to be pretty comparable and even the Pro beats out the 600 in some of these tests. The 600 biggest advantage is Krait mode which allows each CPU to run at different clocks:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-600
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
I saw a people flipping out in comments on websites about it having the pro and not the 600. Why does it even matter? Only difference any average user will notice is benchmarks. By the time it matters, the snapdragon 600 and s4 pro will be long outdated anyway. Hardware is way ahead of software at this point and I'm using an s4 pro right now and it is ridiculously fast, I can't see anything faster making a difference!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] armada786:
Heck, I think the Tegra 3 in the current gen will still be fast for a while. The Tegra 2 lasted me 2 years without stuttering (4.1 is it's sweet spot) so unless the Nexus 7 starts lagging in the software department I won't have too much buyer's remorse and it's not like it'll be too expensive to flip this model and buy a new one if I do feel it,.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jptech:
from the Ars article, the tablet has a WTR-1605L WWAN module.

That's a 7-band LTE chip.

intrigued?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] prestige777:
Replace the Snapdragon S4 Pro/600 with the Snapdragon 800, the difference between the S4 Pro/600 and the 800 is huge basically the same difference between the Intel Celeron and Core processors. From everything I have read the 800 uses less battery at 2.5ghz than the S4 Pro/600 uses at 1.7ghz thanks to its superior core design. The 800 is built on a completely new core that's basically the start of a new series of processor's whereas the 600 is the end of an old outdated core series.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] phonic:
My biggest complaint with the N7 is the slowness when writing to the storage. Basically, the entire system comes to a standstill. For example, if I am downloading a bunch of Play Store updates and then try and do something else, I might as well not bother. The system either becomes super laggy or almost non-responsive. I've read it was due to the poor storage/controller being used. My phone (SGS3) doesn't have this problem, at least anywhere as noticeable. I hope this is resolved in V2.0.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
My N7 didn't have that problem when it was clean, though yeah it does become worse with time and more installs
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Mine will run as smooth as my Nexus 4 sometimes, other times it'll run slower than my wife's cm10.1 powered nook color! Typically if it's running slow I can fix it by clearing recents and running the lag fix app. It's very frustrating and the only reason I'm even flirting with the idea of a new nexus 7. Typically if I leave it on standby and then pick it up later that's when it's total lagfest. Putting cyanogenmod 10.1 on fixedly the issue for a good week but it came back. Yesterday I put faux kernal on and so far it's running great, but I doubt it'll last. Overall every fix I come up with for it only lasts temporarily. I really don't want a new nexus 7, I really just want google to release 4.3 and fix this damn thing. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that 4.2 is the windows vista of android. It looks great, adds some wonderful features, but totally rapes older devices. Hell it even rapes the nexus 4 but because of the power of the snapdragon you don't notice, but benchmark it next to a skinned ics powered optimus g, any the optimus g seems to have quite a bit more power. My friend who has a Verizon gnex also has complained alot about 4.2, and he just loaded 4.1 back on and said the speed difference is ridiculous. This is what happens when Google rushes to bring out a new version of android just to make the deadline of 2 new devices.

But I still think the Tegra has plenty of life left pending 4.3 brings back project butter hardcore. I will admit I'll miss the Tegra exclusives. Theres no doubt in my mind that tegra is overrated, hell it benches like a late 2011 dual core, but nvidia has made it great by working with developers and having their games optimized for it.

One things for sure whether or not you plan to buy a new one, the news that a launch is approaching is good news for all of us as google historically has never released a new nexus device without a new android version, so 4.3 most likely is almost here. It's my hope the reason for the delay was to get it right this time and not have another blunder like 4.2 was.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
*Sigh* I can't frickin' wait for it anymore
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
I think the S4 pro is a little faster. Plus if it comes with 2gb of ram, it will be noticeably smoother. And games won't require a tegra port to run decent. Id love to be able to load up Order of chaos and continue my game. N7 runs it like crap because it isn't specifically designed for it.

I really love the Tegra and their ultimate direction as "THE" gaming platform, but it needs to handle non optimised games better. Plus they need to update their chip more then once every 4 years.

I'm just interested in the little things like wireless charging, 1080p, etc.

However I'm curious how the current N7 will fare compared to a 1080p N7-2. Hopefully it isn't a iPad3 where making it a Retina screen made it the same performance as the previous model. It would be stupid if the S4 Pro couldn't keep up.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] flicnflack:
Don'nt know if this has already been posted

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/121767-nexus-7-2-makes-fcc-appearance-with-android-4-3
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Yeah and thats what's causing the ruckus with the cpu. Some sites are reporting it as a 600, others as an s4 pro
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
it is almost sure that there will be the s4 pro.

Also the n 7(2) supports lte and has most likely a 5 mpix rear camera.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
It's probably an easy way to keep costs down especially since the 600 is only a little bit better anyway. However because it's just a few differences you'd think Qualcomm would just stop production of the pro all together, even including the 600 in new nexus 4s and Optimus g's that are made.

Either way, both are good solid chipsets
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] hbkmog:
Like some people mentioned above. The I/O speed of nexus 7 is pretty horrible. It basically stalls the whole system if the write speed is over 1M/s. :/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] patstock11:
Wait what? Newer n4's have 600s?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
No I was talking hypothetical lol

Basically the 600 is the same as the pro except with a few minor changes, mainly clock speed and faster memory. So to me it would make more sense to phase out the pro and put the 600 in older models then to waste resources making an old processor for a handful of older models. But that's not the case
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
What about disable fsync?:confused:

My speed is very good.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
How to do it?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
download trickstermod and disable it.

i guess you are rooted and running a custom kernel, right?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
I am rooted but sticking with stock ROM and stock kernel
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Then just try and look if there`s an option for disable fsync.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] phonic:
I am rooted, with a custom kernel, and have disabled fsync.

My I/O performance is still very disappointing.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
i dunno what`s up with your device :what:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Yeah save your time and roll back to 4.1.2. I'm thinking about it myself. I can get my Nexus 7 running quickly but it's only ever temporary. Cm10.1 was the longest fix, lag stayed away for a whole week but unfortunately, it came back.

I've tried every possible fix, nothing is permanent. Best bet is to clear recents when it gets bad and run lagfix once a day. People always claim the io controller is slow but seriously I never had any lag on 4.1.2.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Am I the only person happy with stock 4.2.2?

Besides, the quick settings panel brought with 4.2.x is what I really like about the second Jelly Bean, for me it almost removes the need to flash anything custom, 4.1.x doesn't have, even though I can still pull out SwitchPro widget
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
no your not.

just look at that bench.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Benchmarks mean nothing
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
No. they are not that important, but they don't provide wrong infos. In this case, my nex is faster with m-kernel than with other kernels..etc

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gc84245:
Stock 4.2.2 is running great for me too. No noticeable lag.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
I love the added features of 4.2.2, in fact I'd miss daydream since I use my Nexus 7 as an alarm clock, it's the speed that I don't like. I'm pretty content with it on my phone, but my phone has a much nicer quad core and twice the ram, it's ridiculously fast compared to my tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Well, it's understandable - nowadays phones have also a lot of things they can do, not counting the usual messaging/calls functionality, so it's a must that a phone should also run blazingly fast, while tablets are considered to be more of a college/university/home type devices
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
Yeah but either way google advertised the nexus 7 as a lag free device, and when I got it in august, it was a lag free device. And if the new specs are true, then it's a gigantic nexus 4, and just like the nexus 4, it'll be lag free, I don't think the publics perception on how a tablet is supposed to be has much to do at all with the nexus 7s lagging issues on 4.2.

I mean it's like this, even on 4.1, I had some animation lag here and there, and if that's what I was dealing with I wouldn't be complaining, but sometimes my Nexus 7 literally stops responding, very common with google now. Google now has been almost unusable at times since the 4.2 update. And sometimes it randomly reboots when it starts hanging. It's like its trying to access memory that isn't there. I almost think 4.2 was designed for 2 gigs of ram, and since the nexus doesn't have it, it looks for memory that isn't there. It's really random too, there's no rhyme or reason for it. Typically one app I open triggers the evil lag and afterwards the whole system just runs like ass until I come after it by the clearing recents, or rebooting or running the lagfix app. This is why I've been really anxious for Google to release 4.3, I really hope it fixes this tablet!

I really don't know how people can say the nexus 7 has no lag. You guys must be rocking HTC Hero's with cm10 on them or something.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Well I'm not facing horrible lag at all. Yeah, there are slutters here and there, but not to the point of losing responsiveness
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Had I not bought my N4 (previous phone was a GNex) before looking to buy an N7, I would have thought the N7 was awesome. But after 5min of playing with the store model N7 (after I updated to 4.2.2 and rebooted it), I found it unbearable. There is a not viable difference between the N7 and any current phone with a quad core and 2gigs of ram.

I'm glad I held out. Hopefully, July is truly when the 2nd gen will be out and I won't have to wait any longer.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
Well, you guys go for the 2nd gen while I'll stay with 1,5 more years 'till Google drops the support :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] joefrog1996:
I love this current gen tab. Its never laggy or slow. I only see pixels when I try to. I don't use it for gaming so the cpu/gpu is good enough for me. The only difference is the camera, of which is unnecessary on a tab.

Me and my cm 10.1 tab UI N7 will remain best friends until there's a considerable change
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cor-master:
I actually don't plan on upgrading right now, I got the tablet because my htc flyer I had before was cut off from life support after honeycomb, and being stuck on honeycomb sucks, it's like an ics beta, even google doesn't support it well. I cut my losses and bought the n7 for 2 years of support and I'm confident 4.3 will fix it's issues, which is the main reason I'm looking forward to the second generation launch, you know 4.3 will launch with it
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] phonic:
For all the people claiming that their device has absolutely no lag, try this out:

1) Wait until you have a bunch of Play Store updates pending. Click 'Update All'.

2) While they are downloading/installing, try running some app that needs to do a lot of reads on your sdcard. A large game for instance.

3) Wait as it takes significantly longer then it would normally, and your device becomes choppy and unresponsive.

I highly doubt you will see 'zero lag' with this scenario. Whenever the device needs to write/read at the same time, it begins to crawl. From what I've read, it's due to a cheap/poor-performance I/O controller and flash.

Sure, under normal use when you only need to read OR write, it's not too bad. But when you try and multi-task by doing both, you get frozen butter.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Flippy125:
I get this whenever listening to music trying to play a game. The music starts stuttering and the game starts lagging. People saying they get no lag either don't multitask, or are trying to convince themselves out of an upgrade.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] iXanza:
I'm getting the upgrade if it has 2gb more ram.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] redmonke255:
This benchmark is such crap. Yea the cpu clocked at 1.6 works well, but the only reason the bench is so high is because of a trick to make the I/O speeds appear faster in benches. That green bar is a complete lie, the io still sucks in real use.