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[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] SiliconS:
Re: Fixed

Yeah, it looks like it. Fast response! :)

It may be normal, but only in ExtPhone is this happening for me. I can understand what you describe, but the problem is caused because ExtPhone and SMS are two separate applications in the task list. This is unusual, no? Since the SMS thing is part of ExtPhone I would expect them to be one application. If they were one application then closing the SMS window would take the user back to the dialler window, which is what I would say is 'correct'.

A useability issue:

I tried PhonePlus2 a while ago and rejected it (for various reasons). One irritating behaviour was that if you choose a contact and dial the number, and want to call them a second time (for example, if they are engaged/unavailable), you can't just press the 'Dial' button to redial their number. If you do, you dial the T9 code you typed in to get their details.

ExtPhone shows the same behaviour. Could you fix this? I'm not sure how, but I guess that's your problem! :P
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] jag:
Needed Informations

Hi elir!

I'm trying your software and I think you're doing very good!

I'm trying to develop i little utility regarding phone part of WM2003PE but i'm a noob at this so could you plz tell me something about programming phone utility?

Or can u link here some url where to get some infos about that?

THx u so much!

and btw: keep this application live: it's gonna be very interesting!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
They are the same application but different windows, so when you close the SMS window and next in line is the "Today" window (in your scenario)

and thats what happens.

I looked into this issue in other multi window applications and almost all of them just disable everything until you close their top most window.

I'll change that if i find an elegant solution that will not make the program slower .

If you mean :

1 press 533 to find Jef then

2 click on Jef's name then

3 dial one of his numbers

4 suppose its bussy, you hangup and

5 you are back to the main window with 533 on the number to dial and Jef on the contacts buttons

6 Now you want to just press dial and magically the program dials Jef's last dialed number?

If so you could as well ask the pda to make you coffe. :wink:

How should the program know if you want to dial Jefs number or just 533 ?

But if you mean leaving the Contact window maximized and not automatically closing it down after dialing that can be arranged but again is a matter of how do you use the program and the PDA.

If you make a lot of calls and most of the time you hear the bussy tone on the other end then you indeed need this feature.

If you mean something else please explain
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
To jag

If you are using .NETCF

1 http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnnetcomp/html/netcfphoneapi.asp

2 http://www.opennetcf.org/forums/

Good luck[/url]
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] jag:
to elir

No, I develop in C++!

Sry: I forget to say it!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Then sorry but i can't help you.

PS Try google there are more topics on C++ then .net anyway
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] SiliconS:
No, I don't want the PDA to make coffee. I am asking that it should redial the last number called. What is so strange about that?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
The scenario i described with "Jef" is logically not possible to implement

I asked if you can explain in more detail what you mean.

For example after bussy and return to ExtPhone window if you clean the numbers you entered and the last call appears and only then press the dial button is that satisfying ? (like the default phone)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] SiliconS:
Sure - that sounds like it could work. If I want to call someone else then I can delete Jef's number using the < button and type another T9 code. (Can I hold the button down for a second to delete the whole number in one hit?) Otherwise I can wait 2 minutes, press the green Dial button and call his number again. I can't think of a useful reason why I would need the T9 shortcut once I've found the number and called it.

I'm trying to give you useful, constructive feedback on how you could improve your dialler for me. (And I seem to be the only one...) Your comment about the PDA making coffee makes me think that I'm asking for stupid things. If I am, please tell me and I'll stop wasting my time replying to you. Thanks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
If i had known you'd be so touchy i wouldn't have said that but you were asking for an unreasonable feature indeed.

I'm developing a general application that will add some functionality to the horrible default dialer and be easier to use.

I appreciate any feedback when it's reasonable.

For exampe the solution i suggested is already in development and will be implemented on next release, but thats not what you asked at first (or may be i misunderstood).

Yes u can. You can also Tap and Hold the "0" button to craete a "+" for international calls.

Thank you for your feedback.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] SiliconS:
You say below that you're already working on the solution to my 'unreasonable feature':

It's exactly what I asked. I've re-read my suggestion and I'm not sure what's unclear, especially since you're working on the solution already so you must have understood what I said.

I just don't understand what's unreasonable about wanting to redial the last dialled number and not the T9 shortcut?

Never mind. I'll wait and see what your next release holds...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] HDJ80:
Hello Elir.

The program works now rather well.

The problem that I see is that with long names the first letters of the name are not seen. It is possible to fix that?

In the image, the third name is JAIME and JAIM is not seen.

In order to dial the last number I do not need ExtendedPhone, is enough with twice pressing the button of call of the XDA2.

I believe that ExtendedPhone is thought to look for contacts easily and without stylus.

In order to write SMS, could you make a horizontal screen with qwerty keyboard?

Thanks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Can u send me a sreenshot of that long name from outlook?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] dherrero:
embedded C++

Hi. i am a programmer too (VC# and VC++) and i think this kind of programs need to be written in C (even without MFC) to get maximum speed and control....
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] HDJ80:
Hello Elir, this is the screenshot.

Thanks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
To HDJ80

I need the detailed screenshot (like the one of Sergio on an early post)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] beecher:
I'm just only curious, why do you use CAPITALISED names?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] carvas:
hello everyone, first of all i must say that i'd like to congratulate the person who made this program, elir! i use it very often now!

i just found a similar program in the web... it has been developed by PocketBeam but it seems that the program is now unavailable for some reason. i got some screenshots... look here. seems good to give you some ideas!

the program is called 1HandSms.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] kevin.beecher:
hands free

hi guys

has anyone got a copy of the hands free program which we can download.

regards kevin
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] francochin:
Re: hands free

y dun u b a bit hardworking n search for it rather than to wait for others to feed u...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] kevin.beecher:
sd

i did and the site isnt allowing me to down load it. as it is sorting some bugs. and actually its nice to hear there are still people like you who dont want to help others or share stuf. i have been a member of this site for a long time and its great to see people helping others and all coming together to share intrests. and for youe info i have shared various bits of info with the group and had e-mails from people to which i have answered with as much help as i can so basically if you have nothing good to say please mind your own business.

regards kevin
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] jwealthall:
elir,

I think you've done a great job on this. The only bug I've found is that the T9 dialer selects Contacts that don't have any telephone numbers.

John
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
New version 1.9

Hello All!

I changed jobs recently and had no time to work on this project.

:( Sorry to inform you that soon ExtendedPhone is going to become a commercial application.(After some more changes testing and optimizing)

This version will work untill 26/8/2004.

Changes:

1 Configure the search and the Language Layout

2 Last Call info on dialer

3 Launch outlook contacts from within the application(not fully working yet)

4 Change Skins

No help is provided but you can post questions here or email me as always.

Have fun

There's a new version on page 4 .
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] beecher:
Re: New version 1.9

Hm... I'm very dissapointed with this information. Why? :? :cry:

Which price are you going to sell it for?

Let say... For USD 4.99? Does it matter? For USD 24.99? Who will buy it?

I'm planning open-source e-mail replacement for Pocket Outlook. And I'm doing it to bring something useful to PocketPC users... I hope...

And you can bet, your piece of SW is useful. Very much. With this change, it becomes fully useless...

But this is my opinion and somebody (ofcourse, you too) will have another feeling... For sure...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] am-imate:
Re: New version 1.9

Big mistake.. Especially when people help you to test your product...

Just my 2cents.. You should have initially said this so that people would be aware.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
First i never said it is not going to be commercial!

Second if you read the posts ,i wrote that i don't know about open source that means that i leave myself an option for selling the product later.

And third and most important this is your first post in this thread so how exactly did you help on testing.

As for the people that took the time gave me feedbacks let me worry about them, they will get their times worth and if i indeed sell it they will get it for free.

As i said i'm sorry but this was not a simple project , i spent a lot of time , used other peoples code and even payed some money .

And don't forget this is what i do for a living.

I'll post ver 1.2 beta as freeware later this week but thats the most i can do.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] jwealthall:
Elir,

I think that if you produce a good program that people will use then you should have retain the right to make a little money out of it. So long as you're not greedy about it then I don't think anyone else has the right to complain.

Personally I prefer it if the software was still freeware :wink: .... but then of course I would :lol:

Regards

John
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] bruxelles5:
what is the difference between the 2 files included in the Zip file??

ExtendedPhone_PPC.ARMV4.CAB

and

ExtendedPhone_PPC.ARM.CAB

Thanks
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Don't exactly know.

They both work on my XDA.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] bruxelles5:
come on man, you are the one who posted the file? you should know?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Visual sudio generated the file i wrote the code.

As far as i know Arm v4 is backwards compatible with Arm so should not be any difference.

Why is this important to you ? i just told you that they both work.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] bruxelles5:
important

why is that so important ??

Because it is.

Since this is going to be a "PAID" program, what is the difference between YOURS and this one here: PhonePlus II http://www.mesoftware.biz/version2.htm

And how much $ will you sale your program for ?

Thank you
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
I don't know how much i'll charge for the program yet.

Differences that i know of:

ExtendedPhone does not have picture dialing.(At least i don't plan to implement this function yet)

ExtendedPhone has SMS module.

ExtendedPhone is a .NET based application.

ExtendedPhone lets you configure your own language layout.

Phone Plus is released ExtendedPhone hs not yet reached it's full goal .

These are some differences from the top of my head.

Other than that i think they have done an excellent job.

Thank god we live in a free world , competition is allowed and it is in favour of the consumer.

Download them both and see whitch one works best for you.

As for the cab files again they both work on all devices .

Have fun
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] bruxelles5:
OK I did try your program.

It's nice, but you have to START it each time you need to use it.

When you press the green button (on start phone application) the original Phone program will be loaded instead of PhoneExtended.

You don't have access anymore to Call Log button (to call back Missing call, last call etc....)

You don't have access to Quick call (favorite phone call)

Unless I'm missing something

I guess it's only useful when you are driving.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
If u don't close it then you don't have to start it. Just minimize Extended Phone when you don' t need it.

The green button is not assigned to ExtendedPhone (at least not yet) and by default is assigned to the native phone application.

Those functions are not implemented yet.(You can use the built in Phone for that)

A general advice that has made using the XDA more easy(at least for me):

Map one of the hardware buttons to "Today Screen" and possibly ExtendedPhone (or anyother application you use constantly) to another so you can switch quicky between them (this way you dont close ExtendedPhone or that other application)

Best Regards

PS Has anybody noticed a 2 hour offset in the last call display?

Meaning your las call was at 20:00 and ExtendedPhone displays 18:00.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] carvas:
i dont have a 2 hours offset but 1 hour offset...

Elir, on the future final version of your program are you going to keep the keyboard layout? i mean in alphabetical order...

thx!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Don't quite understand what you mean.

The button images can be changed (Later i'll make more skins) .

The language layout is configurable. I'm building a module to do that.

For now you can change the "config.xml" with any text editor but be shure to back it up before you change it because the program won't start if this file is corrupted.

The last call offset is bizarre and i have not found the couse yet.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Urosh:
How much will you charg for buying your program?

Thanks,

Uros
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
New version

Selling is on hold for now.

Down here is a new version

Added :

1 Cofigure your own language on Settings -> Edit Language

2 Desktop installer.

IMPORTANT

When configuring the sms language :

The the first 10 places (where the digits are) can hold only 1 character (i recomand don't edit them)

The rest of the slots can hold exactly

two characters

that will be toggled by "Caps" (for right to left languages is possible to use only one)[/b]

PS Always backup config.xml before editing.

Stop downloading from here

There's a new version 3 posts down

Stop downloading from here
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] jwealthall:
Elir,

Like the look of the new version.

A couple of bugs though:

1. You still display a list of people without telephone numbers (which is pointless for the program).

2. If you enter a code that shows a single contact, display the contact, close without dialing and then enter the code again - You end up with two copies of the same contact. Doing this a third time will show 3 of the same. Weird!

3. If the contact name is too long it 'wraps' to then next line which is obscured by the the call time - May be you could set the width of the Contact name to be as wide as possible.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Thanks I'll fix them on next release

I noticed your post about this issue the first time .

This is not a bug it's a performance consideration and is very easy implemented but the point is :

Is it worthy to add (3 * number of contacts) adittional checking to the code in order to avoid this?

If the answer is yes i have no problem changing it.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] jwealthall:
Elir,

It really does depend on exactly how much checking 3 numbers slows the processing down.

I don't know how you process the contacts list. Do you load it into an 'array' and check from there or do you process the contacts 'database' itself.

I've got a reasonable amount of email addresses in my Outlook Contacts for business reasons. I don't always have telephone numbers for them (probably 25% of them don't) - Normally the international contacts.

Maybe it would a good idea to give the user an option of quicker with non-telphone contacts or slower but only telephone contacts?

There's a 'trade off' between how many numbers I have to press before the right contact appears and how slow the search is. If I have to enter 5 digits to get the right number when I include non-telephone contacts, but only 3 digits with telephone contacts then have to search 3 times more slowly would probably be quicker than searching 5 times more quickly
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
Version 1.9.2

1 Added Roaming indicator

2 Added call duration

3 Not displaying empty contacts

4 Fixed some minor bugs

Expired
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] joele:
Ok I tried this out, it is pretty good.

few points sorry if covered by other people....

1) Why does it say 'Home Network' up the top left, this seems to not be needed.

2) It would be nice to have a contacts button down the bottom which provrided a complete list of contacts.

3) Rather than the inbuilt SMS you can't just kick off an SMS through the built in SMS program? Would be easier for you and preferrable to me, don't know about others???

Obivously graphics need some cleaning up (esp the screen where you choose home, mobile, work) but it does seem like a very nice start and functionally seems to work fine!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Urosh:
The built in SMS client is very important to write SMS with one hand.

You can not do it with default SMS client.

Regards,

Uros
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Urosh:
Some question

Elir..

You made a real great job!!!

I have only some question:

1. When I send an SMS it takes a lot of time to be received. Do you know why?

2. Is there a possibility to have the option to get the delivery notification (like in the default SMS client)?

3. Is there a possibility to have the send SMS somewhere? When I send the SMS it disappear forever?

4. Do you think you will solve the problem about faster searching of contacts? Now when you tap the first number (letter) it takes a lot of time (I don't know how, but in Phoneplus it is very fast).

Thanks for the answer.

In any case I'll for sure pay you some € for your program if you find the solution for my questions (I have payed Phoneplus, but for now there is no one hand SMS client built in like you have).

Best regards,

Uros
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] joele:
Ohhh ok something like the tengo keyboard would be nicer, but I see your point!

Also I forgot the biggest problem/feature mapping to the green call button to start the program and red button to quit.

I'll keep using the program for a few days and let you know if I notice anything else!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Urosh:
Joele...

I agree with Green and red button function (like Phoneplus). But I know that in Phoneplus there were some problems mapping the green button if you use the letter recognizer (problems with two stroke letters).

Regards,

Uros
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
If your last call was made while roaming it willl say "Roaming"

I don't think the problem is ExtendedPhone. It works fine in my xda.Try sending a message to yourself to test it.

I'll check into it.

For the first letter it takes some time because the application searches outlook's database and then the other letters are searched in a memory block hence is faster.

If i load the outlook to the memory at startup it will use a lot of memory and more than that every tme you add or edit a contact you'll have to restart the program.

As far as i know Phone plus is not written in .NET it uses pure API hence is faster. (and as i have said before it's a very nice program)

1 If more then three Contacts are found you can scroll UP and DOWN with the hardware keys.

2 If you want to send SMS to someone who is not in your contacts enter the number with the dialpad and hit the ACTION hardware key.

I'm looking into the performance issue and i have made a lot of progress

but with all your suggestions (and my thoughts) adding functionality makes it slower .

Changing language layout , updating the last call stuff, screening out numberless contacts searching by both first and last name , taking in consideration veryyyyyyy long names (sometimes even written in whole in capital letters) , checking wheather roaming or not .......

Each function takes not more than some milisecs but if you add them together you get what is called "DELAY"

Hey i'm not making excuses i'm just sharing some info with you.

Important

Microsoft and other sources say that the .NET service pack 2 makes great performance improvement so i recommend installing.

I'm not using it in order not to make ExtendedPhone dependable on it.

Thank you all
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] beecher:
Will be cool if I could make this option still enabled.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] joele:
Thanks for replying so quick... :)

OK I didn't notice this so I guess bringing up a full contact list isn't needed....

Just the green button to start for me then and its a nice clean usable program :)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
ExtendedPhone

Hello all!

Starting next week ExtendedPhone will be officially released.

I don't think this is the right place to say where because that is not the purpose of this site.

You can send me a PM, email or just search the net if interested.

Thank you all for your feedbacks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] iggy:
Hello Elir or anyone else, just downloaded and installed. Clicked on shortcut and received an error "This application has expired. Click ok to close."

Any reason for this.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
I just answered your PM.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] iggy:
Hi Elir, just moved back my PPC date and tested this version. Very nice, love the SMS input screen, I too would love to buy it if you could attach it to the Send\End buttons.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] abalgir:
Hello Elir I have the sam epb as Iggy , receive an error "This application has expired. Click ok to close."

to be able to see if this soft suits my need, can you tell me how to test-it ?

many thanks
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
ExtendedPhone

Ok guys here :

Hello all!

Starting next week ExtendedPhone will be officially released.

I don't think this is the right place to say where because that is not the purpose of this site.

You can send me a PM, email or just search the net if interested.

Thank you all for your feedbacks.

PS The versions in this page expired on 28/8. The new version is comercial and will have a two week evaluation period.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] elir:
For all the people that wanted the old free Version.

Keep in mind "This version is old" and there are many new features and performance improovement.

For those who wanted a look at the trial version please wait a little more.