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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
1. No, samsung locked the bootloader. However samsung only locked it because ATT requested it. Also ATT has stated in the past (shortly after the sgs4 release) that they will no longer support phones with unlocked bootloaders...so with that said you can expect every new ATT phone to be in the same situation as us.

2. No, Verizon is in the same situation as us...and it is said that if either carrier variant finds a solution that it should work on the other.

3. No, Djrbliss never actually "cracked" or unlocked the bootloader. There was a small flaw in the security system that he found and took advantage of...it was a great find and pretty close to an actual unlock...but it wasn't.

4. Yes, that is true...and there are many looking for a new solution, if you head over to the verizon sgs4 thread you will find a thread titled "if we are serious about unlocking the bootloader" in the general section...there you will see there are alot of people still throwing ideas around, however with every update security only gets tighter...keep in mind they have made the phone secure enough to be used as a government phone.

5. I don't really understand this question...not really sure what you mean by "technical problem"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] fix-this!:
since the s5 is right around the corner we wont see much support for the s4, nor any sort of bootloader unlock. sad but true.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] phobia09:
Is the soc in the GS5 so different that a bootloader exploit discovered for it wouldn't be useable for our S4? I would think a similar workaround could be used if the S5 had a vulnerability. Dunno, just spitballing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
Please don't spit. It's unsanitary
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
I appreciate you taking time to shed light on this for me. You actually anwered all my questions especially 5. :good:

Let me ask you one final question. How does one obtain a developers phone?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
I believe you have to order it online or specifically request it in store.

[MENTION=5314559]phobia09[/MENTION] About using a GS5 bootloader exploit: chances are if either are unlocked it will be our device. The S5 will be locked and Knoxed even harder than before presumably. There's a remote chance something may work on both, but due to hardware and software differences that will exist it's highly doubtful.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
Thank a lot man, I've gotten more tangible info from the last two post than I've gleened in the last month!

Much appreciated!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] livewire195:
Add $500 to the bounty.

I'd really appreciate ATT/Samsung getting the "O Face" when the phone is unlocked and we are doing with we please with the phones we PAID For.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
[QUOUTE=livewire195;50911637]Add $500 to the bounty.

I'd really appreciate ATT/Samsung getting the "O Face" when the **** is unlocked and we are doing with we please with the phones we PAID For.[/QUOTE]

Gotta a whale here! lol... Seriously though, my guess is that the "unlock event" IF, one occurs will miraculously coincide with the release of the S5.

We aren't important enough to throw away the key on yet.

Anyway, I just got a kick out of your post--simple and to the point. :good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
Still not betting on an unlock when the S5 comes out due to business interest, but wouldn't that be wonderful to see

Sent from Black<3's I337 running BlackBox
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] danman132x:
Not much, but I'll offer $5. I'm really hoping that someone will be able to crack the bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
The more I learn the more I'm afraid your right... I guess I'm trying to talk myself into it. :eek: I'd still like to know why they had to crack down on relatively few users. I think I know the answer to that too. Does anyone know a decent estimate of US rooted phones with custom recoveries as a percentage of total users? I'll bet it's a small number--that's why the "business consideration" explaination confuses me. For that matter, how many of the some 5.5 million members are US (I.e. AT&T, Verizon, etc...).?

Anyway, maybe they'll throw us a bone or an i9505! lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] MoodSwinger:
It's not just that...

it is Business...the bill just passed a couple weeks ago that makes unlocking / jailbreaking legal again and being able to use phones on others carriers networks regardless. Do you think at&t, what the 2nd largest US carrier, wants to lose out on the revenue of selling new phones and the subsidies that get them customers and keep them hooked for 2 yrs at a time. Lock down the bootloaders now and more is coming. TMob has moved away from the old business model offering decent no contract plans, and BYOD. and still offers discounted upgrades with service. They are the only ones who are smart about this and benefitting from the OPEN standpoint. As their service expands and quality gets better...apparently half of their EDGE network will be moved up to 4g by summer / fall of this year, they'll gain market share. That's why At&t wanted to acquire them, but so far its been blocked, and at&t went for Cricket.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] MajicDroidPirate:
$10 and a message for the op

I wish i could give more but I don't have it..that being said.....when they do figure it out...please oh please make sure 4.3 AND 4.4 are unlocked. Also I don't know if the op is still participating in this discussion I have a suggestion...I know it's tedious and of course your choice but you should go through and add up all the bounty's and set it in the front. The reason why is I think developers will be more motivated when they see just how high this bounty has grown.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] RuggedHunter:
I'll throw down a $20 if the bl is unlocked on any version... and another $20 if it's a version I have or can upgrade/downgrade to...

i337 MDL > MF3 > MK2 > SafeRoot > SafeStrap 3.71 > HyperDrive 12

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The Five Basic Laws Of Human Stupidity

Hmmm....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
Yeah, I take your point but, the un-chained bootloader, custom revovery crowd is relatively small. I would think insignificant compared to the millions of 13 year olds texting away blissfully unaware or business users or families etc, etc. I don't know one person personally, that even knows what root is. Also, people who do know are much more likely to dump At&t or the i337 than the other 99% of the users. So, if not the almighty $$ then what? I think the answer is becoming clearer and clearer as they say--which is extremely ironic and really hilarious (depending on where you stand)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] fix-this!:
With the s5 coming in a few weeks devs wont bother with a bootloader unlock. Sad but its the way it goes.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] cantenna:
My next phone will be an unlocked bootloader as well. If that's not samsung then so be it!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CavyS:
For anyone who is serious about this "Bounty" and wants to make it happen you can make a "Fundraiser" over at https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/new/gtrp

The Devs would have to create the pool though I believe.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Galaxy*$4:
i know thats right i just want a phone i can mod (any rom) and get great batt life, if i didnt have to drop so much money on getting my truck running north of a grand i might add. i would be saving to buy a new phone fully unlocked i dont plan on leaving att due to the unlimited data i have. plus when i got this phone i never planned on hacking it. until i started having random crashes even with all my apps deleted. but i was on mf3 though.. and att or samsung wanting to help me out i did this and phone runs great minus rom issues at times.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Whizzpopper:
It's AT&T that demands the bootloader is locked, Samsung just obeys orders.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] los318:
Samsung could provide an unlock method. HTC does and HTC has much less pull then Samsung..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] MoodSwinger:
It's not just our crowd "here" or even those of us that do this to our phones for our benefit / enjoyment. Many other Prepaid will flash your phone for you to their service, they don't care what the phone is because they don't subsidize their phones. They make more just by having you on their service. Also look at it this way too...Just using At&t as the example company, you get a phone at a reduced cost upfront with a 2 year contract...now the idea behind that is they recoup their upfront cost of the phone over the next couple years of your contract. Do you know anyone who's monthly bill drops when your 2 yr contract is up and the phone is technically paid for.? So it's just more money for the provider.

If you use your own device from the beginning do you get a cheaper rate than the guy who subsidizes his phone? where do you think the extra money goes? Now if the customer doesn't need a phone and just gets service, At&t doesn't have ANY device cost or liability to warranty that phone so that's just more money for at&t. Do you think Verizon / Sprint / T-Mobile or at&t wants their devices used on other networks so the other networks profit more then they did? Verizon went as far as locking bootloader and all US GSM bands for data except for 2g / EDGE speeds.

Why would you say / think this? the S4 isn't obsolete for one and for 2 the locked bootloader is a software thing not a hardware thing so devices don't matter, its the software and version. IF the MK2 or NB1 bootloader gets unlocked on an S4 it will be able to be unlocked on the S5 too. And if it were hardware related too, do you really think anyone that's been trying to do this, would just shelve their work to start over. Once something has been done on one device / ROM most of the time that same exploit can be used for the other versions or it least it gets people looking at a similar situation and boosts the probability of getting it done.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] MoodSwinger:
A locked bootloader will prevent flashing anything other than stock firmware...so by locking the bootloader someone can't leave their service and take their phone with them, they can unlock them but the phone (from my underatanding) can't be flashed to say T-mobile or Metro PCS. Meaning its not less expensive to go to another carriers "cheaper" plan. Because now you have to buy a new phone out of pocket up front . Many companies were providing the flashing service so you could use your bought anf paid for phone on their service. Locked bootloaders are one way of preventing that. This way (just using again) at&t keeps you either on their plan or offering you an upgrade to lock you in for 2 more years...but damned if theyll let you take the device you paid for anywhere else.

Really too this is kinda getting of topic of the thread, if youd like to discuss mire you can pm me. If you know something i don't...thats entirely possible. I'm just going by my own conclusions from everything i've rea, claims, thoughts, insights from those that know more than I.

Besides business is always about money...and how they can make more...if they didnt believe it effected their bottom line they never wouldve started locking it. Google doesnt care, cuz they don't care what Android device you use. Samsung doesnt care as long as youre using theyre device...so who benfits from making it unusable on another network..?

You can think of it this way..would you buy a computer you could only use on AOL, Comcast, or whoever your interrnet provider is? And would you pay what you pay for internet service if you could only use that particular computer on it. These arent just phones anymore, and they market them that way...even the s4 initially says "Life Companion" its one device for your life..but the mobile companies want to control how and with whom you use it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
[MENTION=4371039]MoodSwinger[/MENTION], I think I understand your point. I think we actually agree to one extent or the other--"control" being the key word..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] failedjedi:
http://consumerist.com/2014/03/18/h...-this-years-worst-company-in-america-bracket/

Let's actually vote. Vote ATT or verizon as the worst company in america. Tweet/email consumerist and make it clear bootloader is a huge part of the reason. The consumerist labeling ATT the worst company in america and citing that as part of the reason, that is enough of a stink to make a reason. We may not be able to as a huge minority, but ATT has problems with all kinds of people. All that needs to happen is they get the most votes, and just a mention of locked down bootloaders in the final article.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mysocks:
Please sign this petition

Hello all,

We need to be more stronger and make it more legal and I am sure they will unlock ultimately. Here is the link to the petition.

http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...oot-loader-for-the-samsung-galaxy-s4-sgh-1337.

Please let me know if there is any petition like this and we will all sign it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] failedjedi:
http://consumerist.com/

The poll for worst company in america is currently voting for ATT v Microsoft. Vote ATT, you don't need to register and the poll is right on the home page. Bonus, tweet at consumerist or post on their facebook saying boot loader is why. A bunch of nerds that want to mod their phone won't get any traction in complaining. ATT winning worst company in America in the consumerist poll will.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
This is my theory on our situation with the locked bootloader. Normally, it's mostly just At&t and Verizon who are pushing for more locked stuff. The manufacturer (here Samsung) complies but often doesn't really bother to lock things down so tightly. That's where we were with the earlier Loki exploit.

But the difference now is that Samsung independently created its Knox technology. It's useful for high-level corporate use, or government agency use. But the devils at AT&T & Verizon got wind of that and said something like "Dude, - - Duuuude, you gotta lock down our **** using *Knox*, mannnn." †

So that's my interpretation of where we are now. Yeah it sucks but at least plenty of things can actually be done with safestrap.

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† Ps yes I'm aware that At&t and Verizon corporate were probably not stoned when they had that conversation.

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Here's another thought I had.

If anyone remembers, early Android phones sometimes came with sideloading totally locked up. Amazon blew that apart once their app store got popular. The only way to get Amazon App store was with sideloading. Of course XDA'ers perhaps can't remember that because that restriction was pretty simple for us to get around. But I remember my father's Motorola Bravo received a special carrier update that unlocked the restriction officially.

Perhaps the only way to force unlocked bootloaders would be for cyanogen mod (or something like it) to go further mainstream.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayporsche:
Did all that, even contacted AT&T and Samsung as well, obviously it seems like AT&T couldn't care less, Samsung responded to my rants explaining to me that the bootloaders are locked depending on the carrier specifications, they also told me that AT&T will be releasing the 'developer edition S4 devices' and suggested that I should ask AT&T for a replacement once they do. It is sad that we have to go thru all this after paying nearly $600.00 for the darn device, imho another small way to send them the message is to stop using their service and find another carrier, then again they'll probably still don't care.........:eek::eek::eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
AT&T Will never unlock their BL's, no matter how many signatures you get on a petition. This fight has been ongoing for years now with different AT&T devices. AT&T has never, and will never budge.

They provide a service, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. That is exactly the way they see it. It really sucks, but that's just how it is.

:(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] failedjedi:
They absolutely will if it ever gets any bad publicity. The problem is the public doesn't understand the issue so no one runs it as news outside the community that cares. If the locked bootloader becomes an item on a list of other issues that does gain public attention they will at least reevaluate it internally. You don't get the title of worst company in america from a site that has hundreds of thousands of regular readers and not atleast discuss it.

That's why it's so important to make sure to publicly make consumerist aware why you voted ATT. Even if it's just in the list amongst billing errors, bad service, etc, it is atleast mentioned in an article that gets a lot of attention. Any company that wins the consumerist worst title and doesn't discuss internally is beyond stupid. Whether they change or not, is separate from them at the very least discussing it. A discussion is better than no discussion.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mysocks:
I am already switched to Tmobile and using i337 after unlocking it with Tmobile. but I still want to be my bootloader unlocked.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ALD3:
Most of this locked bootloaders and knox, is because Our government wants another phone to replace the BB. They are testing Samsung and LG in Washington now! You will see even more companies locking their phones to compete for corporate business and their demands for increase security.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
I heard Bam is set to drop his Blackberry for some kinda super locked down, ultra-secure, ultra-modified Android. I wonder what vendor it will be.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Kamaole:
If this is true, i believe boeing has a phone just for this purpose. Probably the most likely contender
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ALD3:
Well on the Today show this morning,they reported that Obama was testing Samsung and LG....or at least his simpletons are testing them for a BB Replacement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] danman132x:
Maybe that's the case, but make those a separate software for the government/corporate workers. If we, the average consumer, wants an unlocked, "unsecure" phone, then let us be.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] numbR7:
Maybe someone "in the know" can help me understand. Notwithstanding why "they" did it and after paying off a two year contract--in good standing, isn't a fact that as long as the bootloader is locked "they" are foisting their software, policy or whatever upon you--so that you are using the phone at "their" pleasure rather than owning it? I know the SIM card can be unlocked once "the subsidy" is recouped but how could say -- Best Buy load Verizon software on that phone if you choose to switch to them from AT&T or vice vera? If this is true, the implications about future use is ______ well you fill in the blank. This doesn't make since even for a fourth grade civics student!

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But if AT&T will not unlock your bootloader want you be forced to use their firmware vs Tmobile? In other words they will co-own your phone?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] MCFADONNA:
I'll throw a $100 on unlocking the s4 bootloader on at&t and will do the same for the s5
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] riven60:
I'll throw a $50 on unlocking the s4 bootloader on at&t
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] 4ndroid99:
Personally, I never cared much for locked bootloaders, all I ever wanted/needed was root.

However, one thing that irks me that is the fact that AT&T is trying force feed their bloatcrap onto us and force us to stick with the default OS. Apparently AT&T doesn't like it when people flash a custom rom. But safestrap was sort of a "in-your-face" type of thing directed at AT&T. Not to mention more and more bloat was added with each and every update.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jkeuclid:
Totally agree and furthermore, though I have an S4A i537, I'll anty up $50 in either case.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] LiLPurP:
Ive decided to save up for the google edition, unlocked bootloader and im giving my girlfriend my att s4 so im not losing hope in the devs but i cant stand not having custom roms on my s4, i have safestrap but for the fear of making a mistake or even having a safestrap error i cant bring myself to flash without peace of mind, so ill be saving slowly for a new one but will up my bounty to $100

Using: AT&T Samsung GS4 4.3 MK2 Rooted with SafeStrap Recovery

“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not.” - Dr. Seuss
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ALD3:
I'm also with AT&T, took OTA to 4.4.2 before I found all about the boot loader. I used Deadly Venom's down grade to 4.3 , rooted and flashed DVv3.0.0. Then safe strap v3.72 came out, along with a DVv3.0.1. I made a backup with safe strap 3.72 and flashed DVv3.0.1.....I screwed up the flash 2 times and was stuck in boot loop, booted to recovery SS3.72 and Restored my backup. That went great 2 times. Then I got my head right and flashed the DVv3.0.1 from correctly. You are on 4.3 which is easier to setup cause you don't have to downgrade. Also DV's forum is full of folks that will help you if you do have a problem. Check out Deadly Venom's xda info on how to do the flashing and think about it.

Here's the link.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2447482
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] LiLPurP:
Would you mind linking the thread to safestrap 3.72 version, i still have 3.71 lol ive been so focused on the bootloader i forgot about checking for updates on SS

Using: AT&T Samsung GS4 4.3 MK2 Rooted with SafeStrap Recovery

“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not.” - Dr. Seuss
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ALD3:
You can just download v3.72 from Play. There is a link in this post also but after flashing most 4.4.2 Roms, I have just downloaded from Play. You need to open 3.71 and uninstall then install 3.72

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] LiLPurP:
Thanks a bunch lol would have never expected safestrap on the play store but then again i wouldnt expect samsung to sell a device that they increased secrity to prevent rooting when the play store offers apps for just root devices so i guess samsung is kinda screwing up the android way lol soon ill buy my google play edition and unlock the bootloader and send att a middle finger and a pic of a custom recovery lmao god i love this woderful xda community :)

Using: AT&T Samsung GS4 4.3 MK2 Rooted with SafeStrap Recovery

“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not.” - Dr. Seuss
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ALD3:
Also I'm running the DVv3.0.1 4.4.2 ROM on my GS4 and it seems to me the most stable ROM. They have a very detailed instructions on how to flash the ROM and very quick and helpful reply, should you need help.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mrao:
While Safestrap is a good workaround, not everyone wants to run a custom ROM. I'm willing to pledge $250 to the 4.4.2 bootloader unlock bounty pool.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] arnuckwade:
Are any developers still working on unlocking this thing? just asking.. no offence..