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[Galaxy S 4 General] Tears for Fears:
GSMArena have BOTH devices on their desk when they did the comparison, they saw LTE themselves. You're not satisfied by this link?

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_confirms_lte_support_on_the_exynos_5_octa_processor-news-5775.php

Samsung itself confirmed it. Again, if your phone doesn't have LTE, that's because of the market you're sitting in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Entropy512:
Same company that claimed for months that the GS3 was Bluetooth Smart (aka Bluetooth Low Energy) capable when it wasn't...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Same company that promise source code and documentation for the S2 and S3 Exynos blobs.

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tim182:
The Exynos chipset supports LTE, this means it can be paired with an LTE modem. The I9500 has the chipset but does not have an LTE modem and therefore cannot connect to an LTE network. The I9502 which is available in Korea and also runs on the Exynos chipset does have an LTE modem and supports LTE. The article makes only reference to the chipset, not the phone. Misleading unfortunately

The I9500 does not have LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tears for Fears:
I see, but as I said, it's market dependant. I've read that in select markets the I9500 does have LTE on onboard. In most of the spec sheets, it says the I9500 model has LTE and some sheets also add "market dependant" on LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tim182:
No, unfortunately those articles are all wrong. There was a lot of confusion initially due to the I9502 and the gsmarena article. The model number I9500 refers to only one phone which is a specific type of Galaxy S4. All I9500s (while sporting different firmwares due to carriers) have the same hardware and do not have an LTE modem and therefore are incapable of LTE support.

There are different Galaxy S4 models, some have LTE, some don't, some have the S600, some have the Exynos. Each version has a different model number. The I9500 which is referred to in this thread is the international model of the Galaxy S4 with the Exynos and without LTE.

What is market dependent is the type of S4 you get. Most of Europe has the I9505 with S600 and LTE. Many international markets such as South America, Africa and some European countries have the I9500 with Exnos and without LTE. America has its own version numbers and some Asian counties have the I9502 which is an Exynos with LTE and dual sim if I am not mistaken.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Gentle people... Lets not get totally off topic.

We need some clarity from Samsung on how the CPU of the GT-i9500 should behave... versus the observations presented by the OP.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tim182:
True. I am very worried about the developer support on this model though. I compare posts between the I9505 and the I9500 and there is such a difference. Most of the big names on here develop for the I9505 it seems. Just hope someone will be able to modify the kernel of the I9500 to unlock some of its potential. To make things worse, it was just announced the the Note 3 will have an S800 CPU, so even less support for the Exynos...
[Galaxy S 4 General] danveer:
First of all stop comparing your phone with a car, apache helicopter or air bus 380...

Its jusy a phone. ..

Second of all even though I am also dissappointed but dont let it gobto your head..

Wasn't the whole use of big little was to take care of small tasks with the help of a7 and heavy one with a15..

Kind of similar working of tegra with companion core but more advanced and that's what we get here..

A7 take care of most part saving battery while a15 kick in to improve loading times.

The info of using core migration or using all cores at once was learned by tech sites and fourms but what we did failed to get was it was supposed to be in next version of processor not this one..

I skipped s3 for big little and bought s4.

If I skip this ill get a53 and a57 in big little in s5.

If I skip that ill get new processor with arm v8 instructions set in s6.

If I wait more something better will surely come so definately new hardware will surely come...

Also with your decision to go with htc one or s4 snapdragon version, isn't adreno 330 and krait 400 cores just around the corner..

I never see you guys whining about that. .

Its a great phone.

I can make calls.

Play latest games

Take best in class photos

Watch movies on a awsm display.

What else would I want from a phone man...

I am here to obviously tap more potentional out of my phone but unlike majority of others I am here to actually underclock it cause at this point scoring 1k more in quadrant doesn't makes any sense to me.

I still remember when lg optimus 2x was launched ( first dual core phone ) and I was so excited to see a phone crossing 2500 in quadrant and this phone here scores 4 times that so even if it scores a bit less or more, I simply dont care anymore about that. ..
[Galaxy S 4 General] wholly1:
As I mentioned before, ut is not about hardware. It is about how fluid it is and responsive in everyday use.

Up to 5 seconds lag in opening camera is unacceptable in device in this class. 1second lag in settings menu, droped frames in launcher?

Come on Samsung. Your SGS2 was better.

I don't care about benchmarks although it is nice to show off a little ;p

I want my phone to be quick and responsive to my touch this is what I pay for. This is what I understand as premium quality phone.

Precision and accuracy in the way it is build, hardware and software.

Deliver what you promised.

Has SGS4 the best hardware?... Yes

Is it best?... very doubtful.

Just to make it clear, I'm not a fan of any make,

In the end it is all android in different shell. I wil go with whoever build better handling shell. Not with someone who just make statements.

For me hardware should be able to unleash potential of the screen and thats it.

It is in no use to me if I got 1080p and need to wait for response. I'd rather have 720p RGB super fluid one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
GT-I9500 have more roms in section, you can go and see, cm 10.1 not avaliable yet but for now I prefer rom doc+perseus kernel.
[Galaxy S 4 General] majdi33:
Samsung i9500 Galaxy S4 vs Samsung i9505 Galaxy S4: Battery performance

gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p3.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] marmotash:
Sorry, wrong post.

Edited and deleted.

Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] Szadzik:
Bull....

I9500 has LTE. It does not have it built into the chipset, but it has a separate LTE radio, unless a carrier decides to sell it without LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
Are you serious? Where have you got this info from?

Cheers,
[Galaxy S 4 General] MuertoKo:
Afaik it doesn't, at all. Only Korea has it actually, and it's not i9500 but i9502 SHV-E300 (thanks for correcting). If you are talking about the "contry dependant" thing that's wrong, that means you may buy i9505 or i9500 depending on the country, no that i9500 come with or without it depending on the country (referring to the official advertisment webside of Samsung on S4 btw)

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
Korean version is SHV-E300. It has LTE Modem.

i9502 stands for Dual-SIM Chineese version: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9502_galaxy_s4-5420.php. Apparently, it does not have LTE modem

And yes, both of them powered by Octa.

Cheers!
[Galaxy S 4 General] MuertoKo:
My bad, confused the Dual-Sim with the LTE model :P What you said!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Szadzik:
So 9500 has no LTE regardless of where you buy it? My bad then. I thought it was indeed region-dependent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MuertoKo:
No worry it's a common mistake usually due to the confusing advertisment from Samsung :) Nope, as you said what is region-dependent is which device you'll get, not if it will or not include LTE.

Here in Spain leads to weird situations, like we are having ONLY i9505 because of the LTE, and we don't have LTE yet LOL (ok, we'll have it in a few days or months depending on which carrier you are with, but you will need a branded phone to their companies to get it officially.. )
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
Here in Russia we have i9500 sold officially (no LTE), but we have LTE supported by some carriers. So there is a huge demand for i9505.

Cheers,
[Galaxy S 4 General] Beefheart:
As expected given the lack of avenues for cookers in terms of non-stock development, the I9500 has more stock based roms. However, I9505 CM/AOKP roms are now really taking off with half a dozen builds based on CM, AOKP, Paranoid Android or a combination of the three. But it's what you want. I'm personally happy with stock for the time being despite having alternative options.

In the UK the official device is the I9505 but only one network currently supports LTE. I'm with O2 and they're not rolling 4G out until the end of the year, and even then the prices are likely to be ridiculous. Despite my phone having LTE, it's probable I won't even use it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tears for Fears:
That "market dependant" is for I9500 only. It's not labeled on the model number but on LTE connectivity *for* I9500. I understand it's a mistake, but it's not "which device you'll get" what's confusing people. It's the false information about LTE connectivity on I9500 which clearly states "market dependant" next to all 4 bandwidths of LTE.

Plus, all the articles that state both I9500 and I9505 will support LTE. Someone somewhere really f**ked up with this intel.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MuertoKo:
About market dependence: http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys4/

Here you can see LTE as market dependant, and this is the official specificacions of S4, the mistake comes from not splitting the specs in models. i9500 hasn't LTE and neither says so anywhere, but you can easily missunderstand this webpage as it suggested it can have LTE in any model, when it comes tight to the Quad-Core processor (and that isn't pointed anywhere on the site)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tears for Fears:
I'm talking about all the articles and news pages, not Samsung's website. But this explains where the misinformation comes from.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MuertoKo:
Yep not intended to correct your post but to complement it :)Trying to un-missinform people as much as I can!

Anyway, to make it clear for fast-readers, i9500 has no LTE, and no posibility to have it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] serius666:
Well I'll have my i9500 this weekend. After reading all the post I din't get with one is better. I'll close my eyes and say YOU HAVE AN S4.

Thanks for all that people that wrote here.

In my opinion I dont care if running a15 consume more battery. You searched for power and power have to cost something.

Best,
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jeshter2000:
Well it will sure be all over the media now ...

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/30...disappointments-and-their-current-soc-future/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
They wanted a war - they have got it!

Let the fight begin!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Skander1998:
Seriously?

Here are some lovely facts for you, remember the S3 documentation "war" ? Nothing happened, basically what you see in XDA is 0.00?1 percent of actual Samsung smartphone users, that basically give a sh*t about how the cores work, most of the actual smartphone buyers don't even know this stuff and NOT interested in knowing, Samsung doesn't give a sh*t.

You're not going to make any progress with a "fight".
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
Of course not!

I was joking actually. I do understand that as the majority (or even all) big companies and Samsung as well will blame whoever and whatever they want, they will do everything in order to do nothing. I clearly see that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] wholly1:
This all is so sad.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fishcake13:
breaks my heart reading this thread and what sammobile posted... I wanted the Octa to work so bad :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] aami.aami:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2303942

AndreiLux pls check this
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
And why don't you just link to the original?

Anyway nothing new.

We'll hopefully get more info on the matter when the Arndale Octa comes out in July.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
I said this to my friend yesterday.

"They should have just pulled the A15 core out of the cpu and just used the A7 "

Shut down the A15 all together.

And use the cpu as a regular 4core.

Nothing is wrong with failure... just admit it and move on... ohhhh wait.... shareholders will punish you.... ahhh !

Now I know why certain markets get the 9505 and not the 9500

Samsung would have hell with its stock market value and reputation or a possible class action law suit in the us.

The markets that have the 9500 dont have the muscle to fight back as louldly as the uk and american market... and it won't upset the shareholders that much.

**** happens...

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Leaving the A15 offline will achieve exactly nothing, what's the point of doing that? You're not going to cut off a leg just because you're limping.

And frankly you're talking nonsense by bringing legal arguments into the topic. There is zero legal basis on any of the current matters for them to be attacked on.

Shareholders also could care less about these problems. It's the fastest selling smartphone ever, that's what matters. The mobile division, as noted in the article, is capable enough to not be affected by this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
You are good to reason with.

I never thought of it like that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
Here's what Samsung Exynos had to say
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
And we geeks and nerds will make no difference complaining and refusing in buying i9500.

It's sad, when you feel powerlessness to change things...
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
haha they need to stop lying cuz core migration is more efficient :silly:

not sure about performance though

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] is that true core migration can work without CCI ? and the one who wrote the article on Sammobile said enabling CCI will decrease power saving and will cuz more micro lags ? or he mean the current state will cuz power inefficiency and micro lags without CCI ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I don't think what everyone whines about, we still have the most powerful and the most lasting phone there's out there.

I think everyone went a little over their heads since Samsung NEVER said/write which implementation the i9500 will use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Beefheart:
Ouch.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Yuriy.Samorodov:
[Offtopic]

Actually, I wish only that i9500 get Exynos processor drivers or sources released so Developers can port vanilla android or custom ROM onto i9500 without waiting around half a year for Samsung to release new firmware on the new Android version

[/offtopic]
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Most interesting read, here's the full article:

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/30...disappointments-and-their-current-soc-future/

I guess Samsung needs to get back to the drawing board and start bringing it's processing technology to 20nm. The performance potential is great, so is the big.LITTLE architecture, but on 28nm the heat and drainage is too much. They should hire Andrei heh heh.
[Galaxy S 4 General] endingcolt007:
ok since im not too technical about the workings of android and cpus, i just wanted to know can the core migration be implemented instead of cluster migration via a custom kernel or something? or is that the chip is not able to run in this configuration at all?

pardon me if this info has already been mentioned but i have read the earlier posts in the thread but it is very complex!
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
According to what I understand, it can be able to do so via custom kernel but the CCI (the hardware part that is responsible to do the switching efficiently) is broken so it will probably won't be as efficient as it should be in the first place and I'm not sure even it'll be more efficient from the cluster-migration which is the way it works now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] endingcolt007:
Its a real shame that samsung screwed up so bad especially with their flagship, and im hoping samsung have an alternative way to fix this via a software update. In my view they are in a position where HTC was a few years ago - releasing tons of phones with lots of bloatware.

I remember franco's kernel for the Nexus 4 in which he limited the number of cores active to about 2 when not under load, was wonder if something similar could be implemented whithout having to using the broken CCI.
[Galaxy S 4 General] samep:
I've been following this thread in hopes of a fix but started holding hope that the upcoming Note 3 would have a fix for greater battery life.

Probably silly to pass on such a good phone with either processor but now I'm looking to grab an upgrade with the Snapdragon s800 processor for improved battery life.

Sorry if off-topic but I haven't heard much discussion here on the comparisons to the s800 processor. Is the Snapdragon 800 processor better than the one Samsung uses in the i9500 with the suspect build issue? I had hopes that Samsung would fix their processor in time for a timely release of Note 3 for cdma LTE in USA but latest rumors suggest Samsung elected the s800 for that phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] endingcolt007:
The note 3 will hopefully have the problem fixed if it uses the exynos! It would be a disaster using the same defective chip on the note as well. However im curious to see what samsung will do about the i9500s that they have already launched. How will they fix the issue on their existing handsets? I fear that they will leave it untouched as the majority of the users are not too technical to care. This is what i fear and being an owner of the i9500 im really makes me sad.
[Galaxy S 4 General] samep:
I hope that Samsung has been watching this thread! Gotta get it right to stay on top. And for the sake of all who have the i9500, I too hope they right that wrong as well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] thekoRngear:
Most of the issues shown on that video were resolved through firmware updates. I wonder how impatient people are to announce something hardware related and thus cannot be fixed and get themselves proved wrong eventually.
[Galaxy S 4 General] endingcolt007:
I wish the same and seeing that the i9500 has not received any software update since launch may mean that maybe they are working on a fixes for the various problems that users are facing. It maynot be true but im just speculating.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Madawcisrich:
Nothing is confirmed that Galaxy Note 3 will have Snapdragon 800. Everything you see and you heard is rumour. Snapdragon 800 offers 10% more performance than the exynos according some anonym source.
[Galaxy S 4 General] endingcolt007:
True, seeing the chaos and number of changes with the s4 soc, it is most likely to be rumors as of yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
??????

http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-I9500&details=Galaxy_S_4__Exynos_Octa

a least four updates...
[Galaxy S 4 General] danveer:
Just went to settings and clicked on check for software updates, it says its updated even though I am on MDK.

Is me2 country specific or what,?
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
yes is country specific, but you can flash with odin ou install a custom rom
[Galaxy S 4 General] brar.arsh:
Samsung should look into this seriously..
[Galaxy S 4 General] wholly1:
Does anyone knows how new MEA software influence this thred?
[Galaxy S 4 General] yang.felix:
Samsung: new Exynos 5 Octa SoC coming next week

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/18/samsung-new-exynos-5-octa-soc-coming-next-week/

They May fixed the bugs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] thekoRngear:
Wont bring any good to existing S4s. A new SoC means it is coming for a new device(s). Though I hoped it could make its way onto Note III.
[Galaxy S 4 General] negrobembon:
its obviously going to be in some new S4 variant, maybe i9507?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I don't expect that, if that was the case, the Korean LTE-A version would've came out with it, plus Andrei says it's not gonna be out before the fall. More likely to be featured in the Note III, there's an unknown CPU clocked at 1.9GHz doing 33k in a recent AnTuTu leak.
[Galaxy S 4 General] thekoRngear:
What Andrei said (coming ths Fall with the new Samsung Chromebook) put me into some puzzles with that leaked An Tu Tu score for (alleged) Note III coming off from a new Exynos clocked at 1.9 GHz. These statements are contradictory. Because if we believe what he had said then we have to think that leaked score is coming from a revised 5410 (just assuming) otherwise.

And I do not think the part that LTE-A (the 330s or the I9506) would have come out with it because (in the believe that the Exynos 5420 wont have LTE-A chip or at least enabled with it) the Exynos 5/Octa series (while they do support LTE with 20 different bands stated by SamsungExynos) do not have LTE-A.

What this 5420 can do and what not and what it will have and what not will be cleared hopefully in this week though. :) The bloody CCI-400 is okay with this one for sure.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tinderbox (UK):
Here is an excerpt on the silicon issue.

[Update 25/05]

The below information was based on how things should have been.

Reality is the Exynos 5410 has some serious issues with its cache

coherent interconnect / CCI which cripples the chip to only cluster

migration, effectively making the major parts of the big.LITTLE

operating scheme useless. This is an issue in silicon which cannot be

solved.

From Below.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Maybe in the newer batches of the I9500. Definitely in the Note 3!! Cant wait for that device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
There's nothing contradictory. The 5420 coming in the new Chromebook doesn't exclude a Note3 with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] thekoRngear:
Relief and thanks. :cyclops:

I think then, if Andrei wishes he can look into Note 3 (once it is released with the 5420) variant and can do what he wished to do on the S4 but couldnt due to botched up CCI. :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
I'm not made out of gold you know. I doubt I'll get to buy another device this year. I supported the Note 2 even though I never personally owned it, but this is a different situation.
[Galaxy S 4 General] thekoRngear:
:(

Then (pardon my ignorance), since the Linaro team made their way to support HMP and GTS, do you believe/think Samsung people would enable these two processing techs in their kernel releases with time for Note III (if that comes out with a 5420)? I hope other xda developers who are going to own note 3s would come out with these.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Do you think this is the 5420, [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION]?
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
More details on the new Exynos 5 Octa

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/22/exynos-5-octa-5420/

The 5410 SOC wasnt so impressive and I'm glad I skipped it so lets see when this comes to the Note 3
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
So the T628 MP6 it is. Can you share some info about it, Andrei, how power hungry it is and roughly what to expect vs. the Adreno 330?
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Probably equal or slightly faster than the 330. Power is anybody's guess.
[Galaxy S 4 General] timekeeper:
Is it worth the battery savings to keep it pegged at 600Mhz (so it only uses the A7) for the i9500? After reading 10s of pages, mostly off Andrei's post replies, I've started pegging it at 600Mhz from this morning, but haven't noticed much impact yet.

Also, thank you for your research and elaborations, it's made for very interesting reading.