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[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
i dont know what the crap is going on here,

seems a bit hot for a fiery argument huh?

well,

here's my 2 cents.

- S4 and One are smartphone with different capabilities, they cater end-users with different taste, HTC is aiming for simplicity for the average joe (HTC flagships phones are basically now iphones running android), many people cannot appreciate the bells and whistles that S4 offers since most marketed segment of Samsung ranges from anyone and anywho that has capacity to buy a phone, don't have money for S3? get S3 mini which looks the same, business user?, have the Note 2 for productivity.

HTC is offering them an iphone alternative, one which is simple, fast and looks good with an extent of freedom with android. To gain a share in the booming smartphone and technology market which is selling like pancakes with steroids they must cater to the largest of the market segmet, which are the average mid-to-high income earning joe's, HTC want's to win a segment in the market which is dominated by samsung and apple, and it seems this new underdog is going nowhere but up.

Samsung is for people who are going for functionality and versatility rather than style, what matters is size and function with all the needed freedom to cater all people with different levels of smartphone knowledge, though my guess is 30% of S4 buyers won't realize all the gesture features until a certain period of time and probably 10% would say all these features are intrusive to their experience rather than useful.

I have the S4 though it does not feel as "premium", it certainly is enough to keep me happy,

and i'm sure you One users would say the same.

also, we all agree to hate apple. So atleast that keeps us together huh?
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Depends on the video too I suppose. Obviously if we're talking on full brightness then LCD wins hands down as the battery drain would be worse on whites/lighter colors. Don't think I'd watch anything on full brightness on LCD though, unless I HAVE to and am outdoors or something.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Honnestly guys, 67%% of users don't carry an extra external or internal battery. Of those that carry an extra battery, only a minority have not moved on to external top-up battery or power case.

Internal battery swappers are late adopters (so called "laggards"). 2K13 - Time to evolve!

you shouldn't have to open your device or swap batteries for charging.

if your phone doesn't hold a day, you have the wrong phone

The S2 was horrible in that regard, so I had a top-up battery, but two years later, I feel like the new devices don't force you to do this anymore (S4 included).
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Um, there are plenty of people who still swap batteries if needed. It isn't very convenient to carry an external battery pack, so if needed you could just swap on in like 10 seconds. Bottom line is you have the choice if you needed to. And when eventually the battery deteriorates, you could easily just buy a replacement, stock or otherwise.

Plenty of people here buy extended batteries for Note II and S3. Obviously I would assume they have some utility for it and are not crazy to waste their money on extended batteries.

PS: I don't think it's cool to call anyone who doesn't confirm with your standards/requirement a "laggard" FWIW.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rexisrex:
2013 or 2k13

Laggards are people who are late adopters who swap 2 inch battery to keep phone running...Early adopters like Puremind carry laptop bag for the mobile phone in 2k13 so they can carry huge accessories.......:D:laugh: man this guy is seriously funny...oh my stomach...:laugh::laugh:

Old adage: these grapes are sour....these grapes are sour.....:laugh::laugh:

7 million S4 users opened their back panel and swapped batteries..bcos they CAN..

.3500 htc users were found with hammers trying to break open their phone to replace battery, as even Ifixit said this **** can't be opened without breaking it.....
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Outdoor GPS navigation or browsing is a battery killer on OLED devices. but for indoor viewing, 140cd/m² would be sufficient. I wasn't saying the S4 is inferior in that regard, only that at equivalent brightness OLED is less energy efficient for video.

Personally I do a lot of web browsing in the metro, at restaurants and on the go, so OLED phones hate me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
I think we've established that OLEDs lag behind when it comes to browsing (unless you use inverted browsing or something, which you wouldn't want to, ideally).

Videos, as I said, the brightness is an interesting point factually, but at full brightness any video would look horrible (at least to me). Anything outdoors under heavy sunlight, LCD's perform better, obviously.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Me neither. But an extra battery is far more convenient than your "power brick". And who cares about the majority of users? The majority of users is also unaware of xda's existence and probably do not know what Android is.

But you are still avoiding the fact the in a year or two the battery performance of HTC One will be reduced to 60-80%.

Normally lithium batteries lasts 3-5 years and even if HTC's slow charged will help prolong the battery it will not last longer than this and will lose around 20% capacity each year.

And the battery does not seem an 800-cycle battery like LG uses which means its cycle count probably lies around 530 since LG claims that 800-cycles is about 50% more than normal lithium-polymers (lithium-ions have more cycles).
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
7million S4 users in 1 week of sales. Wow, no dead people in the shops? :eek:

7 million S4 users don't like their phone enough to buy another one but will buy an extra internal battery instead. Actually let me tell you a secret. There weren't 3500 users buying an HTC One. It was me buying all of them because that phone is so rubbish no one else would.

I am so sorry HTC; I failed you, I couldn't buy the remaining 6.9 million units! :D

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I present to you Silver Candy and Metal Lolli, my first two babies.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nyxagamemnon:
Here's the problem.

I've bought the HTC One and compared it to my Daily Driver the Note 2 and I sent the HTC one back and here's why.

#1) I want a removable battery, I can't stand phones with sealed batteries because the battery will degrade faster than you think, especially if you use your phone alot (which I do)

#2) Micro SD Card, Again if you had 32 or 64 + another 64 the space is there and it's really handy when it comes to wipes/etc. Haha you can even just totally destroy all the data on your phone pop a rom in it and flash it back.

#3) The 5.5 inch Size I've gotten used to it and to be honest I don't like smaller screens anymore, I'd venture to say 5 inch would be the smallest I'd go

#4) I know i'd end up using my Note 2 all the time and the HTC One would collect dust. To me the usability and features the Note 2 offers wins over the HTC One.

Now What I miss about the HTC One is boom sound :) WTB Dual front speakers on a Samsung device :), HTC could easily offer a premium built phone with a removable battery and a Micro SD card but they won't and they won't catch up to samsung.

HTC Has the money to launch a giant media campaign but there problem is that they design there phones completely wrong.

So I've pre ordered a Verizon S4 as well. I'll miss the boom sound speaker but all the other +'s win over. All Samsung needs to do is just throw 2 speakers on the front and witch to aluminum and no one can touch them ever.

The recipe for building the phone isn't hard but yet HTC still fails. And there Quality control is horrible on the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rexisrex:
I don't own one phone but 3

:laugh::laugh:

Man this guy is surely a living example why you shouldn't associate with juvenile hipsters... Who on earth owns 3 same phones???? Oh my darling Jesus....this one is purely Out of Mind.....

OP now you know who buys the htc one...scarily stupid..

1164 htc one users other than pure mind is now crossed with themselves after reading puremind's last post...as he has disclosed the secret that each one got buy one get two free offer for their htc one...

He will be flamed later for letting out this secret, as most of the htc one users other than Puremind is still sleeping becos they were awake till 3am to test low light photography :laugh::laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Do like me, order multiple HTC One's :)

But you can have that on the HTC One. With this you can add 128GB to the 64GB of the HTC One.

Wait for the 5.5" HTC M10, it will have S800 and larger capacity battery courtesy of the larger form factor.

I think they do, but you have to import from China via ebay.

But we all know they won't unless HTC wins back a good chunk of market share. They have more profits from an easier fabrication process and cheaper materials! So you should all do like me and buy HTC Ones to put pressure on Samsung. Don't let them take the same money for something that costs them twice as little to produce!

I agree BoomSound is fantastic. If you like everything about the device except screen size and battery capacity, then you should wait for the M10. It looks like it would be the phone for you.

This last statement is not true. If you followed the HTC One Serial thread (which gives you the date of fabrication), you can already see how they have observed the first couple of weeks to make changes to their production process. Starting mid-End of April they have removed the tiny gap issues found on some devices. The devices produced after 23rd April are essentially flawless.

Every manufacturer has had its share of production issues. But who cares? if your device doesn't suit you, you can always send it back free of charge and get a replacement within 2 days...

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What can I say? My fetish is smartphones. Beat me! I feel erotically attracted to gorgeous phones and I am not able to have a monogamous relationship with them. :D:D

Feeling the aluminum of the device in my hands was already making me beam, but now sometimes I have all 3 devices in my hands, gliding on each other and I find the slow aluminum rubbing noise wildly erotic.

The HTC One is the best piece of hardware I have seen in a long time. Three HTC Ones make me smile any day. Ever since I got the HTC One, I stopped dating, I do more sports and am constantly overjoyed with anything ordinary. :laugh::laugh:

Every time I am around a smartphone shop, I feel like chatting clients up and make them marvel about the phone. I have started an unofficial job as an HTC One advisor, now Vodafone and O2 shop representatives let me talk to their clients whenever they see me and don't bother advising clients anymore. They have gotten used to me measuring up screens.

I realize my behavior is not normal, though. I was wondering if any of you had the same experience with the S4 and if you had any tricks how you can quit feeling addicted to the HTC One. I have tried reducing the brightness, deactivating BeatsAudio and hiding the phone under pillows, but none of this helped. :eek::eek:

Don't do like me, buy the S4 or you will become a kinky smartphone addict like me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
This thread is completely useless now. It has turned into a full-scale fanboy war. No constructive argument can come out from such a situation. I think we all know a good deal about both phones. Moderators should look at this thread and decide whether they should allow it to run.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rexisrex:
No abnormal is normal for you

I realize my behavior is not normal, though. I was wondering if any of you had the same experience with the S4 and if you had any tricks how you can quit feeling addicted to the HTC One. I have tried reducing the brightness, deactivating BeatsAudio and hiding the phone under pillows, but none of this helped.[/QUOTE]

No not at all...your behavior is perfectly normal for a retard....for want of respect to other xdaians I will stop adding fuel to this rubbish. Your last post was not even wrong...it was disgusting....:laugh::laugh:

1164 remaining htc one users sold their devices on eBay after reading puremind's last post realizing that the phone is strictly only for retards....
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
agree,

this is stupid and illogical

we're no better than isheeps if this happens
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
*cough* *humor* *cough*.

Come one rexis, your posts were full of smileys, so I welcomed your good mood and added a few jokes of my own? I didn't realize you were actually taking this discussion seriously. I saw your intervention as an entertainment parenthesis in an otherwise good thread. :angel:
[Galaxy S 4 General] rexisrex:
My Apologies

As long it lasted was just having fun with that kid...I know shouldn't have added fuel to his rubbish.

Before all of this, my post with info and sanity lies in the 10th page as well if you want to have a look...

cheers
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I thought this was hilarious. The entertainment value of the last few posts should not be ignored. Don't take things too seriously. It's only a phone. ;)

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Thanks Rexis :)

I wish I were 17 and laughing more often. But I am twice that age and have a serious job as a product developer in an HR consulting company, so forgive me for exploiting the fun factor of this thread. No hard feelings? Let's have a collective hug.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rexisrex:
All is fair mate

Cmon dude...it was all fun....but your last post was a lil close to getting into trouble from moderators...off topic is fine for a while but we should also respect fellow xdaians who come to get real help...so that's where I had to stop...

But was good fun as long it lasted....

7 million S4 users and 3500 htc one users joined hands and pledged never to buy an iSheep:laugh::laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
7million iPhone users agreed and will buy an HTC One as their Android escape to iTune. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
@ puremind sorry did I read build quality? Are you joking about with us or have you not read the tales of woe, they've got some decentish components and thrown them together, you say style I say meh it's subjective, however you present a well put together argument it's all based upon speculation and dare I say it prejudice, aluminium is a bad design choice IMHO.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Even the iPhone, which many consider "premium" has had its share of fabrication issues. Likewise with the S3. I think you need to differentiate design from execution.

The design and engineering on this device is excellent and well put together. Putting components together doesn't work on aluminum devices because the antennas wouldn't work. The HTC One is a well though of product, with a harmonious design. The black version doesn't scratch, the aluminum doesn't flex like in Apple's case, the look is polished.

The execution has reveiled some minor flaws in the early batches (tiny gaps, overhang), which have now been remedied. The camera bug has been fixed with a prompt Software update.

I think HTC did a really good job with execution this time around, especially considering the use of metal on a phone is more complex than the use of polycarbonates. They have learnt from their mistakes and you can tell they put a lot of emphasis on build quality and quality controls.

They had to and they did, I think it deserves a round of applause.
[Galaxy S 4 General] stirkac:
my 0.02$

I'm going with HTC One when it arrives in my country.

Why: I know many people who bought S3. I've seen S3's after a couple of weeks of use by my friends, and I have to tell they looked terrible. White models are better, but blues develop a matte skin all over the phone from tiny scratches. It doesn't only look bad, but hand sweat and other small things accumulate around these areas. Abolutely gross.

Second reason is the screen burn in and brightness throttling. AMOLED of GS4 is amazing-at the time you buy it-but it degrades rather quickly as any amoled screen has proven to date. I don't think samsung made a lot of progress on burn-in, and some reports say that it's hard not to hit throttling threshold on this 1080p display. I want a phone to last for 2 years of usage without getting notification bar permanent and green hue all over it.

Third and perhaps the most unobjective reason is the "vote with your wallet". I liked samsung at the time of GS2. It was better than Sensation. But their tacky materials and cartoonish UI need to go away, and likewise the kitchen sink approach with S-whatevererfits apps. Even samsung figured HTC has got the lead here, and is considering metal note3. Then why bother buying their second-class plasticky products? For 200mHz faster processor? Do you think you will utilize 100 of s600? For the sake of microsd? I'd rather go with 64gb of speedier internal memory (even on gs4 if I bought one). For removable battery? Only usage of removable battery on Omnia GS1 and GS2 I owned was to reset the phone when i got into bootloops. Long press of power button does the same.

Conclusion: If you support samsung as it is, still need carry spare batteries, or want bragging rights, absolutely go with s4. For everything else I'd go mature and pick One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I agree that some smartphone users, me included, are hoping for a more stylish and mature design and interface from Samsung. Basically, HTC has the futuristic design that would fit Samsung's innovative features. They would fit perfectly together.

A phone that has so many features directly out of a science fiction film needs a more futuristic and slick design. Maybe that's why the high tech features are not perceived as strongly as they could.

I also agree that the silver version of the HTC One is the first phone I have that really does not show any fingerprints at all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
A design isn't a good design if it can't be put together properly in the designers own factories, the only solidly good thing about the one is sound but it's at too high a price re size and component fit, I suppose I should have said two aspects as the 32&64gb s4's will no doubt be vapour, I agree with you that HTC deserve applause for the effort, the one is a valid purchase as is to a lesser extent the Sxz none of the flagships is a clear winner hence the debate, well done HTC but not quite enough, I'm holding out for Motogoog primarily because of the 16gb Sammy gave the s4, if Motogoog don't deliver I will buy the s4 as the best choice available but wish they'd incorporated some HTC decisions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] stirkac:
Samsung won't change by your wishes, only vote that counts to them is your money. You're supporting clerks and hoping for bourgeois to win.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
No I'm not I'm making the best reasoned purchase within my ability that suits my needs, I have high hopes of Motogoog though so expect not to grudgingly purchase the s4, if I have to so be it they best met my needs, I actually like the Russian phone with an e-ink rear.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
^*Facepalm*

The reason Samsung won't produce metal phones is mostly the sheer volume. HTC One was produced in a relatively smaller scale and yet many units suffered from QC issues. I think Samsung made clear of this a while ago. That said, I'm not sure why they can't improve their design. I like plastic, and I like S2's design. Or say, Lumia for instance. Surely they could come up with something like that?
[Galaxy S 4 General] schrickm5:
3 reasons I would not recommend the GS4:-

1/ S-Lag

2/ 8 Gb of the Total memory taken up with the ROM

3/ Touchwiz UI

3 reasons I would not recommend the One:-

1/ not easy to Root

2/ cannot put the damn thing down

3/ all you will talk about for a month

Keep your panties on Sammyboys.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Many people myself included actively like the s4 design, it's the best fit for my hand of the three flagship phones a superb fit of the big screen little body and a shape that IMHO must be according to the golden ratio it's that nice.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Many people do, many don't. I would say most people would love a design change, although they might not consider it to be a dealbreaker.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
It’s funny how the fact that the battery loses 20% capacity every year is ignored by the HTC One "defenders". This is the MAJOR disadvantage with the One and it makes it a bad long term investment. It also ruins resell value unless you want to fool someone who does not know better.

Forget battery swapping. This is the MAIN advantage of a being able to replace the battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yvibes:
I actually applaud puremind...this one man shut down many people at once with responses that you can't comeback from. The main guy who was arguing with with puremind, step up your game.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
I wasn't keen on the s3 but the subtle differences are enough to make the s4 far superior, colour, button and angles, what design change would you like ruling out aluminium because of its unsuitability re weight, dents and ease of repair.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
If I have my one after 18 months and am only getting 60-70% of the battery life from when I bought it, I shall be getting a replacement under warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
@ Pure mind, where's the beef, I see suppositions, hearsay and conjecture no proof in many of your points particularly your assertion that after 2 weeks HTC no longer have massive QC problems, as I say IMO HTC have brought s good phone to market but their slavish following the aluminium route is causing them no end of problems that plastic would solve. Aluminium is not a "premium" phone material it just fools suckers into thinking it is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Probably they're going the iPhone way not radically changing the design, building the brand name etc. - not that I agree with it, but lets see how they proceed ahead with Note 3 etc.

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Oh this was an argument then? I'd never realized that to be honest - I have expressed my disagreements/concerns over some of his posts and attitude in general, but I see no reason not to accept plenty of valid points he's raised. Good to know that he's "winning" the "argument". Yay to that!
[Galaxy S 4 General] rl421403:
I owned S3 and was trying to choose between HTC One and S4.

And after reading a lot about both of the devices I settled on S4.

I have gone through many reviews, and people only point out that HTC One has better built quality then S4. Everything else is comparable or slightly better in S4 with added benefit of extendable storage and battery. Outer case built quality is not the main deciding factor, atleast for me. I am the only Galaxy owner in my family of 9 and everybody else has iPhone5. So I have seen what regular day usages do to aluminum body and it does not look so premium after a while. For me, better hardware & user experience is enough to choose a device.

And, HTC history is not good for supporting their top level phones. May be they can change this with HTC One. But I cannot put my money on HTC, atleast for now.

So now I am a proud owner of White Galaxy S4. I was decided to buy blue model but white S4 looks great in hand and in blue model they have some weired looking texture at back cover. And this phone is amazingly fast. I never experienced any lag whatsoever. Even contacts app open instantaneously in S4. I love it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Interesting, what does the warranty objectively state? I mean do they objectively define what is "poor" battery life or do they just say that?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I am pretty sure that there is no warranty for battery loss of power over the years.