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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
1. MicroUSDB is also a form of MicoSD

2. What did you expect? I posted battery figures, which means the people that carry extra batteries for the most have phones that don't hold over a day? If they had the S4 or HTC One, they would spare themselves the hassle to charge two internal batteries in succession!

3. Only 32,5% carry an extra battery and my guess is, those have devices that don't have the best battery life

http://www.androidcentral.com/late-night-poll-do-you-carry-spare-battery
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Point 2= wrong. Folks carrying extra batteries doesn't necessarily mean they have phones that don't hold a charge for a day. Some folks are carrying a spare with their note 2 and everybody knows it is a phone that gives you more than enough juice for a day. It only depends on personal usage. Some use phones super heavily for work and other tasks and need extra juice on the go even if the phone they have has great battery life.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Actually I have ordered the S4 2 weeks ago. So if there is someone who sees the need to test in real life, it is me! Will receive it on Tuesday. I already went to the shops twice, but that only helped me to measure the screen's brightness and color accuracy. For battery life relative to screen brightness I need to spend time with the device...

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If you assume a normal distribution for battery life across devices in the market, with the bulk having average battery life and then a few with mediocre and a few with top-of-the-game battery life, then how would you distribute the 32.5% that say they use an extra internal battery?

66% will have battery life below market median

Less than 1% will have battery life equal or better than Galaxy S4/HTC One

Assuming they are distributed normally, where would the highest number be found? I say, below the median battery life threshold. Statistically, the overlapping of both curves at the top end of the battery life spectrum will be minimal. Less than 1 % of those that charge an extra internal battery will be owners of a phone that has a battery life comparable to S4/HTC One battery life or better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
1. Um, what's "MicroUSDB"? I've never heard of that before. And your point is, what exactly and is supposed to address which part of my post?

2. My point is that you don't have to get stuck in a "desert island with no access to PC" to suffer from battery shortage. I could easily imagine plenty of situations where both of these phones might die on the user within a day's heavy usage. Your post was one ridiculous ad absurdum which, I could use too, and say that even 2-3 hours of screen time is too much since a good chunk of users have some access to power outlets.

3. Why are you even posting this poll? Again, I could quote a different poll too: http://www.androidcentral.com/late-night-poll-how-important-removable-battery-you

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Poll...body-design---which-one-do-you-prefer_id42117

Loving the cherrypicking that's going on.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Here's the thing, most high end phones ship with sealed batteries so how can we know how to distribute that 32.5% if most of those folks cant carry a spare?. Lets not forget that we're talking about the S4 and the One. The S4 gets you through an average day, that's a fact. But based on your logic, folks carrying phones with spare batteries don't have a phone that can get them through a day. That's not true at all cause everything is based on personal use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Fine, let us assume 33% market share for Apple and an extra 50% to the figures, let us say that "given a choice" (although users already said they don't need an extra internal battery when they purchased Apple), there would be 48% that would like to carry internal batteries in an ideal world (an overestimation for demonstration purposes). It doesn't change the following facts:

The better the battery life, the lesser the need for an external battery

Assuming normal distribution as displayed above, the number would still be below 5% for S4/HTC One type of battery life or better, since those already have good battery life out of the box.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Ok so im guessing that this friendly argument is because you don't believe that a removable battery is an advantage that the S4 has over the One?

Yes, the better the battery life, the lesser the need for an external battery but earlier you suggested that folks carrying an extra battery meant that the phone they had doesn't provide enough juice for a day. My point is that it isn't necessarily true because it depends on the situation and the usage of each individuals.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
No I am saying that the good battery life of the S4/HTC One is canceling out the advantage for 98% of users. Above a certain battery life, the hassle of charging an extra battery far outweighs the hypothetical utility.

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No I am saying that the good battery life of the S4/HTC One is canceling out the advantage of a replaceable battery for 98% of users. Above a certain battery life, the hassle of charging an extra battery far outweighs the hypothetical utility.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Agreed.

But! There's no denying that a removable battery is more of a pro than a con. Actually it is a pro period. It gives the option for those users ( even if its 2%) that need a spare to swap on the go. And that spare battery is small and not cumbersome, it fits in pockets, purses, briefcases, even some wallets.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Thanks, the second poll is actually very useful in refining our estimate.

Given average battery life or better only 47% would favour an external battery over a unibody design. Assuming normal distribution, then mathematically, if battery is better than 90% of phones in the market, then only less than 9% would still consider that a charging a spare battery is worth the hassle.

But distribution of those 47% will be skewed towards folks with mediocre battery life, so we are effectively talking about less than 5%. I said early 2%. I think 5% is realistic for a population with battery life at S4/HTC One level or better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
A removable battery is a pro, but for me its needless as i dont use my phone more then 2-3 hours a day. Both, the sgs4 and the one would easily bring me through a day or even 2 days. So I decided to go for the nicer design / haptics.

If the one would be avaible with an exchangable battery (but with the exact same design and price), i´d probably go for this variant. But as I dont need it, the one is the perfect phone for me.

I´d bet 99,9% of the sgs4 user will never change their battery (as they wont insert a microSD card)
[Galaxy S 4 General] mazdamiata210:
The s4 lagggggggggs badly
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
It's not that bad, you just have to turn all bling bling off, disable about 32 bloatware services nd change the launcher....

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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
May I ask: Why should i buy a s4 then? Ok battery and microsd are exchangable.. but thats all?
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I agree it is a pro, I just don't want people to make it a bigger pro than it is, because I think this is not being candid about things. It really only becomes a compelling, decision-making pro for nonstop users of their phone, which is to say a small fringe of the population.

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The sensory features and health app and the greater detail of 13MP plays its advantage under normal lighting conditions (probably the best 13MP camera in a smartphone right now).

Other reasons exist, it is just other smartphones fulfill them equally, so they end up not being a differentiating factor, or they are down to personal preference.

Apart from the dimmer screen and understated looks, I don't think the S4 has any weak spots, so it will be a great buy regardless (assuming the stuttering will be fixed per firmware upgrade).

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Yes agree. I am a stronger user than you are, with 3-5 hours a day, mainly after work reading news and feeds at restaurants and cafes, and even with my S2, which required careful management, I didn't buy an extra internal battery, because I couldn't be bothered to charge two batteries in succession.

I did, however, purchase an external battery, which can be charged while it charges my phone. I think that was a good choice because I rarely needed that extra battery, only accidentally (e.g. once I was charging off my laptop and my laptop went into sleep, so had no juice the following day and was happy to be able to depend on that battery).

Even then, I still found charging two batteries a hassle, so that I kept forgetting to top up my other battery. Call me lazy, but it was just simpler to control my consumption.

Now with the One, I am happy as I don't have to make any compromise anymore. I don't have to control my consumption or charge any extra battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mazdamiata210:
I have one and even with everything turned off and the bloat gone it still lags on the keyboard. Apps don't work right and force close. My notifications disappear by themselves. The battery is terrible compared to my 4.1.1 note 2. I'll be sticking with my note 2 thank you very much.
[Galaxy S 4 General] boodies:
Get the one if you like aluminum. If aluminum is not an issue and you like better design imho and better everything else, get the SGS4.

Mind you htc does not update older phones like samsung. You will get about a 6 month support from htc.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
Slow updates vs No updates and rest of the obvious stuff(removable battery, microSD, Easy to flash/root etc) is enough to convince me the S4 is better than the one.

I have phone which was launched in 2011 which got JB 4.1.2 official from Samsung even before OneX got it and there's speculations of S2 getting 4.2.2 as well. Show me one phone from HTC which has such a good support.

This bloody phone still beats many dual core phones even today & if I'm upgrading it'll be only Samsung (not because I'm a fanboy) but I feel they deserve my money with their powerful h/w and very good support
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Actually it's the 52% that cares for removable battery. And what makes you think that all these, or even many of these users get **** battery life? That's just a ridiculous assumption to make. Even if they get an hour or half of less battery life - according to your earlier ridicule, since they should be somewhere near the power source or have external battery packs, like 10 or 30 % should've voted for removable batteries against unibody design, right?

Battery is better than 90% of phones in the market? Jesus christ, love how you come up with those random, exaggerated numbers. There are some areas the One excel at, and other areas where other phones shine. And again, not all phones are made equal, so battery tests have to be taken with a pinch of salt, despite being a decent measure. If I get around 8-9 hours screen on time with Note 2, that doesn't mean every other person who owns one has to get exactly the same. It could fluctuate. anywhere between 6-9 hours depending on the usage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lastexile1987:
The main thing for me that sets these two phones apart since so many things are similar is how easy these phones are to fix.

I work with cell phone repair so I know how annoying it can be when one piece like a camera or a speaker stops working. On iFixit they gave the S4 an 8/10 for repairability. Almost everything on the phone can be replaced, even the charging port.

That is not the same case with the ONE. On iFixtit they gave the ONE a (no irony intended) 1/10. They took the phone apart in the end but in doing so they had to ruin the aluminum siding and when it was put back together it was not the same. If only the US or other regions could have gotten the chinese version where the back plate can be popped off.

That's my 2 cents.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I am not searching--what is version number of that so I can check in store before buying--:)

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I am in same boat and searching also. CSP is my bud so can't flame him--:)

It is tough all over--just need thick skin--you handled it well--:)

Problem is, they are both so damn good in their own way, it is tough
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
This is an interesting thread and is not a matter of being lazy. This thread is now part of my research and decision making process so I'm glad the author of this thread started it. I'm still unsure of which phone to get. The update addressing the lag issue is important. More research to come.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] ATG604:
Removable battery and SD. Check out the Casefanatic Kommandant Metal case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gsd17:
As everyone already mentioned - removable battery!! This will haunt you ultimately in the end. This is coming from an owner of Evo LTE and I could not tolerate it anymore. Many occasion when the battery is completely depleted and even when you plug it in it still would not function ("annoying beeping message") and not to mention when the phone is hot the battery completely shuts down. The ability to swap battery on the go is priceless.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 4ktvs:
I under stand asking about if the phone can do X or how does it do in z, but what phone is just better is a hard thing to deal with.

I really think the OP should be more precise in what they want to know or they are just going to start a flame war that seems to happen over and over again across the internet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sixpoint1:
S4 has many objective positives.

HTC has only subjective positives.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffs99:
kirdroid, Megacharge...I totally agree with two...I don't understand why some post stuff like this...what do they want us to do, beg them to choose one over another...we're not Samsung salespersons...read and research like everyone else and then make the decision yourself...and if you still can't make a decision, well then you definitely deserve a One....

Agree this post needs to be put out to pasture....
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
To me it comes down to this important question:

Why would I want to purchase a device without a removable battery and let the manufacturer dictate both my battery life and devices lifespan?

I mean, do I really want a manufacturer (whether it be HTC, Samsung, Apple, WHOEVER) to dictate that I only get 4 - 6 hours of screen on time per day? That I only get a couple of years out of my sealed in battery before the ability to hold a charge goes to #&%!? :confused:

#1 thats not enough screen on time to begin with.

#2 the more you recharge your battery over time, the worse it gets.

If I buy an iPhone, HTC One, Nexus 4, or any other device with a non removable battery, the day I purchase it the clock starts ticking. Every recharge cycle ticks away a little bit more of the batteries ability to hold a charge. At first you were charging your phone and it would stay at 100%... yet now you unplug your phone and as soon as you do its at 94%! :eek: Imagine how you will feel when you unplug your phone and it drops to 74% in no time! :(

For some that doesn't bother them. They figure "Who cares? I'm just going to buy a new phone in 2 years and lock myself into another contract anyways" or "I don't need that much battery life." But for me that's not good enough. I wan't this in my next phone, and I'll have it.

I like being able to carry a fully charged spare with me to pop in and double my battery life to 10 hours of screen on time per day. I like being able to order a replacement battery for $12 and not continually get frustrated with my phones inability to hold a less and less of a charge after 2 years. I want the option of buying a phone that I know over time I could keep for 4 - 5 years if I really wanted to.

So that's why I am going with the Galaxy S4. Replaceable battery being the main reason among many other good qualities such as:

#1 A company that spends the money they could have saved to give me the options... even if I don't use them (such as a user replaceable battery or SD card slot)

#2 Good screen visibility in sunlight (if you turn on auto-brightness)

#3 The most up to date cutting edge hardware (DDR3, Gorrilla Glass 3, Snapdragon 600, 13 mp camera, 1080p screen, etc)

#4 A company that is bringing me the latest android version (4.2.2) and not skimping in this area the way many other android manufacturers do

#5 A company that is trying to bring me useful software features such as multi-window (yes I know most of them are gimmicks, but they will keep coming out with more and eventually hit another home run like with multi-window)

#6 A huge fan following that makes it easy to sell my device if I need to later on

#7 A big user base that entices accessory manufacturers to make accessories for this device unlike other not so popular devices out there
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Both are top phones - the major advantage of getting the One (hardware wise) is vastly superior speakers and gorgeous looks. Would you prefer that, or expandable storage and removable battery? For me it's the latter - I hardly use my speakers, and putting a case anyways would not make it worthy enough to sacrifice for added features to be honest. But that's just me.

As for the UI, personally, I prefer the feature rich touchwiz (despite the ****ty interface) - which will even get better once we get more development here. The fact that I've been never able to stick to an AOSP rom on Note II says a lot :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] sohebq:
I wonder why you need someone to convince you, you should have carried a separate research on your own, that would have helped in making best decision. The decision is pretty much simple, you need to decide what you want? Premium quality build or more features (both hardware & software). For me features offered by samsung are a lot more than HTC. Samsung has grabbed my attention through Removable battery, external sd, Octa core, IR blaster, S health, S translator, Smart scroll, air view, a few camera features. Combined all these features are more than what HTC is offering so my vote is for s4, regardless of how much these are useful. I will never prefer build quality over software features. Even if i buy Htc or iphone, I will never leave the market unless I buy a protective cover and screen protector, so whats the point of having premium build? Absolutely useless.
[Galaxy S 4 General] redstar299:
feels fine to me

i dont get why people say this phone feels cheap..it feels fine to me and I have an IPHONE 5 for work..

The battery on this phone blows, like every other phone supporting LTE and huge HD display. HTC one is even worse ..gotta have removable batteries unless you work in an office..the last thing I want is to be back in tetherland with the iphone. No removable battery = dealbreaker
[Galaxy S 4 General] llcoolbean:
Main reason I picked S4 over the One is the removable battery and SD slot. I use my phone A LOT and give it away when I'm done with it. In two years, you could replace the battery on this while the One will only hold charges for 2 hours.

If you're someone who replace phones every year or two, then the battery thing isn't a big issue... that should be like 90% of people out there. I'm the other 10% so that's why I picked the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Nothing wrong with discussion plus research--

Some specifics though for any who have tried both--

Is only 4 homescreens enough on One

Is s4 browser text that much larger when viewing web--I need good size text. My One S never seems to be consistent on keeping text size the same. One post can be fine other is small

How bad is s4 keyboard? One is suppose to be great. I could use SwiftKey, it seems ok but voice input sucks--EDIT: actually it doesn't. was speaking too slow--
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Hey guys watch this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=40871850#post40871850
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Wtf? You have a thread in each forum. Read the reviews. Like its anyone's job to convince you about anything. Stop cluttering up the forums with your selfish threads. Their both great phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
Dude I love this phone. Just get it man, if you don't like it return it within the 14 day return period. But you won't return it, because this phone is unreal.

and this
[Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
And as soon as we get some custom recoveries, development is about to explode
[Galaxy S 4 General] drsuse:
I came from a note II and I have not been happy with the S4... I am sure once they have custom recoveries and custom roms it will be alot smoother. There is lag... I didn't believe it but when I started to use it I noticed it. I use nova.. But the battery isn't that good to me... And alot of Samsung bloat.. Which I had disabled, still drained the battery... The screen and camera is amazing... But I'm going back to my note2. Don't get me wrong... The s4 is a great phone but my note2 is for me.. Battery, screen, speakers, and spen
[Galaxy S 4 General] poweroutlet:
I think people are pushing the "get the one for looks" thing a bit much. The one can very much hold its own in practical features too. For one it isn't filled up with loads of lag inducing bloat that takes up close to 10gb and the One's UI looks thoroughly modern unlike the fisher price designed touchwhiz which I'm sorry to say is still stuck in the days of gingerbread as far as look and feel goes. The one also has a fantastic wide angle front facing lens, optical image stabilization and very fast shutter speeds and great low light performance. Having a very quick shutter speed and low shot to shot latency is just so important for a phone camera to avoid the typical blurry out of focus crap that most cell phone camera pictures are and that's something that usually just can't be conveyed in reviews easily. The dual membrane mics on the one are amazing too, I think this speaks for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TIjzjuDG5rE

And of course HTC's speakers are unmatched by any other smartphone.

I don't need to talk about the S4's positives since they've been stated but the high resolution camera sensor is great if you really prioritize using your camera in ideal lighting. Having an sd card and a removable battery are obviously huge too. My biggest issue with buying a HTC one is that I worry that the battery will hold less and less charge overtime and it will eventually make the device useless but there is nothing the user can do to install a new battery. The serviceability of the one is absurdly bad and that's a major turn off for me. One of my favorite features of the s4 is the ability to have a 5 inch display in a phone that's no bigger than a One or S3, and you can still operate it one handed too. You also get a marginally faster SOC in the s4 which is of course a nice small plus.

Ultimately you can't go wrong with either but you'll have to pick based on what is most important to you in a phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I saw the HTC One today for the first time. This is my honest to God opinion. Also this is the first time I see a 1080P display on a phone. I wasn't impressed at all. I will say that it feels great in the hand but the display wasn't as great as people make it out to be, I was more impressed the first time I saw the One X display. The design is very nice no doubt but after you hear all this talk on the net you expect some craziness, seriously its just a good looking phone, that's it. Also the phone is smaller than I thought. I mean it seriously people exaggerate so much. I didn't check boomsound and all that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
HTC One isn't even a real choice for me anymore.

It's either:

1) Galaxy Note II

2) Galaxy s4

3) LG Optimus G Pro

or if I want to wait 6 months...

4) Galaxy Note III