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[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yes i'm rooting it right now! Last off topic, Jesus Christ man the SPEAKERS ON THIS THING IS OUT OF THIS WORLD OMG!!! ME AN MY ROOMATE ARE SPEECHLESS RIHT NOW!
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
Enjoy the phone and keep me posted :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Will do thanks! Does anyone know if you can flash a I-9505 rom on the AT&T S4?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
People always say that but the fact that Samsung's stuff is integrated deeper in to the OS and between their apps makes a big difference in performance, usability, consistency, functionality, and battery life. As an example, I tried every "Awake Stay" equivelant in Play on my One X and either they didn't work right, drained the battery, or both. So even if you cobble together all the stuff Samsung provides and updates it still wouldn't work as well. If your car didn't come with a sunroof you could have some body shop cut one in but it wouldn't be as clean and integrated as one from the factory. And in Samsung's case the sunroof is "free."

Again, it comes back to the way people use their devices. I'm a heavy productivity user and some of the stuff people dismiss here I depend on. Maybe that's why HTC has no penetration in the corporate market and Samsung's as big there as they are in the retail segment.

And here's some things to do in multiview. Forgive the scrunching, the screen cap compacts the shot in to the smaller window size.

All Samsung's stuff is meaningless is you don't use it. But just because some of you don't individually don't assume everyone else doesn't use it either.

This doesn't bode well for HTC. People on the inside tend to have a more accurate picture of the present and future and mass exodus is usually a bad sign.

Once an undeniable power in the U.S. smartphone market (second only to Apple ’s iPhone in 2011), the Taiwan-based HTC Corp. is suffering the latest bump in what has been a slow, drawn-out stumble.

The company’s

chief product officer

, Kouji Kodera, has left the company, according to a report by The Verge. Kodera’s departure is one of a number of recent HTC fence-jumpers, which includes

vice president of global communications

Jason Gordon,

global retail marketing manager

Rebecca Rowland,

director of digital marketing

John Starkweather, and

product strategy manager

Eric Lin, according to the report.

HTC Asia’s CEO

Lennard Hoornik has also chosen to leave the company following two months of leave time.

This exodus of talent only worsens a grim outlook for the company in 2013. The HTC One – the company’s latest iPhone-esque smartphone – has not been the game-changer the company needed to bounce back from poor sales in 2012. Investors have taken notice, as they tend to do (eventually) and HTC’s share prices have fallen to $288 from $432 [the One X/S/V launch] this time last year on the Taiwan exchange.​

http://www.forbes.com/sites/karsten...retreating-in-the-face-of-iphone-and-samsung/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Skrazz:
Can we talk durability here? I'm starting to fear the idea of the S4 screen breaking in my pockets like these other lads. Any flex to the One?
[Galaxy S 4 General] tclocki:
I still cant imagine how I would break the glass of my s4 in my front pocket... I mean, I'm just 5'6", 125 lbs, I still cant figure out how I could break it under casually normal circumstances...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Yes. ;)

But seriously. There have been like a dozen reports of screen cracks and, just like any other device, the posters have sworn they've done nothing that contributed to them. Being thinner with a larger display and smaller bezel the SGS4's going to be more susceptible to stress than the SGS3. But I would have guessed that and not wedged my phone in a pocket and sat down with it. I've never put my N2 in a pocket simply because common sense says a 5.5" display with very little edge to reinforce it wouldn't fare well when bent. Based on the random *****ing of a few people it's too early to say whether there's a screen cracking epidemic afoot.

As for the One, a metal unibody leaves no place for energy to be dissipated from an impact. So if you drop it, depending on how it lands, it'll deform.

So depending on your luck you could either be replacing the display on a SGS4 or the unibody on a One. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Neither do I. Its hard to believe that you can break the phone while its in your pocket.
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
These are my experiences so far. A mate of mine dropped his S4 on grass at work from about 2 feet and cracked his screen. I've had my ONE in my jeans with fairly tight pockets and it hasn't flexed or broken the screen. There's been a few times I've dropped it to and so far no cracks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Well there you have it. Out of millions of each device sold we now know that based on two examples the One is far stronger then the SGS4. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Not under normal circumstances. And for sure not in the pocket ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
The advantage of the so called `cheap plastic`( polycarbon) body of the S4 is that parts are easily and cheaply replaced, unlike unibody body`s like the One or the Lumia`s.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Thats nice but if the amoled breaks without anything else is broken... Screen replacement should be also around 200$/€ on the S4?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
There have been a few users so far reporting the display or only the digitizer breaking without fysical damage, if this happens more often then maybe the frame isn`t sturdy enough. Me personaly i never keep the phone in my trouser pocket.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dannysmith43:
I'm in the same boat....the One or S4 :eek:

I'm leaning towards the S4 although Touchwiz offends my eyes in so many ways! Bit bored of sense at the moment, before my One X I had a Desire. If the One had a bitter battery and better camera thought, it would be a done deal.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the tear downs of the SGS3 and SGS4. To me, the design and manufacturing process look the same (or similar). The front glass, display and plastic frame are fused in to a single assembly on both phones so unless those components in the SGS4 being notably thinner is a contributing factor to the cracking that too is the same. So looking at the tear downs there’s no “ah ha!” I'd expect the SGS4 to be weaker than the SGS3 in that it's thinner, has a larger display, and a smaller bezel. There were more screen cracking complaints for the SGS3 and One X vs. the SGS2 and Sensation as their screens moved up in size and their packaging changed too.

From iFixit - The glass is fused to the display, and the display to the Galaxy S III's frame.

From iFixit - Unfortunately, the display and front glass are fused, with a layer of optical adhesive. The glass is then adhered to the plastic display frame, making a single assembly. Not a big surprise.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Simply use Nova or Apex launchers, and that problem is solved.

Shouldn't be a choice anymore.
[Galaxy S 4 General] browy:
Again, touchwiz is not only a launcher, it is a user experience, frameworks, user interface.

Status bar, status menu, interface of stock apps like Settings, Phone, Message etc are things that you can't change just by replacing the launcher.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Actually Voice Commands and Voice Translator have very good ratings and they work amazingly good (so do they on the S4). So does EyeSpy!

They are my favourite apps on the S4 and I am happy that I also have them on the HTC One.

Multiview is limited to standard apps, just like on the S4. Those apps are still in their infancy, will be interesting to follow their progress.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sdFAL:
Best Features of the S4

-S Lag Troubleshooting- Spending time to re-skin and disable TouchWiz/S Features is priceless

-Google Nexus Edition-Not spending extra time to re-skin,but spending $650

-Easy to repair S4 modular design

-1080p AMOLED burn-in protection

-Spare battery is more compact than carrying a microUSB battery

-Telfon-like coating on the back battery cover

-So thin and fragile it needs a aftermaket alum. unibody case
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Trolling at it's best.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Yet if you read he post i was replying to you can see why I mentioned the launcher. Context is fun.

If he is offended visually by TW, he can swiftly change launcher and replace the phone/contacts/sms/etc programs.

But I love the presumptuous reply, don't get me wrong.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I agree. Had two HTC phones before this. One S and Nexus One. Both rooted and rom flashed. This is the first phone I will not flash roms on and may just root for nandroids, and titanium bu.

It is all in the eye of the beholder, but:

This is the best looking phone I have owned. Looked at One very nice, but like s4 better. looked at LG Pro--too big for my arthritic hands. All the discussion on screen metrics is irrelevant as the persons eye is final determining factor. Some like led tv displays, some like plasmas. Tests don't matter, just what you like personally.

All works great, bright whites with auto tone off. Solid, feels good in hand, not cheap.

My son and I have two 32gb blacks. Waiting for cases. So, in pants pockets 4 days, no issues. He stocks, so bends a lot. The pocket issue may be smaller pockets in some jeans and a larger phone than OP's had before. I tried to bend it somewhat and seems very sturdy.

I thought i would change wallpaper, as I always use my own black wallpaper. But, all the screens on this phone are great. Will leave wallpaper as is. Would like to change lockscreen though--:)

I like aosp and sense, but this seems in between. Like it a lot. Will take 2 months to figure out all the features. S Voice works very well, as does the other features I have tried so far. Speaker phone while on calls is great. Speaker to play music not on par with One, but quite good.

Ken
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/22/imagine-a-world-without-htc

Well written article
[Galaxy S 4 General] tclocki:
If they go under, how will the updates fare for the one going forward?
[Galaxy S 4 General] chalid:
I really can't believe you guys are still arguing :D

Whoever has lags (I haven't) because of Touchwiz: Just disable it. Whats the big deal? Rooting the phone and disabling the Samsung apps is done in a matter of minutes.

And for the lower display brightness: Who cares? I have an LG Optimus 4X HD here (used for the past 8 months), which has one of the brightest displays on the market (750cd/m²) and I still do prefer the SGS4's display over it. It's just more pleasent to look at. And though the brightness levels on the SGS4 are nearly half of the LG's, sunlight readability is still better.

That might not necessarily be the case in comparison with the HTC One, but it does show that those measurements only tell half the story.

Just go buy your favorite phone and be happy. The will never be an absolute best of anything. No point in trying to argue about it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
I care.

Top 2 things I look for in a smartphone is screen brightness and removable battery. Both the HTC One and S4 are $%#! ups for each leaving one of these out.

Is it really that hard to put these both in a phone? :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
They won't. They are still making profits and have just gone back to relevancy in the market with the most successful launch this year to date. They are not going anywhere for at least another 4 years.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That article comparing Peter Chou to Henry Ford is a bit of a stretch. And if the Model A (the follow up to the Model T) went like the Sensation did there wouldn’t be as many Fords on the road today. You’re only as good as your last product. Steve Jobs invented the modern take on the smartphone (WinMo, Bada, and Symbian don't count) and everyone else just mimicked it (Samsung literally according to court filings ;) ). HTC has 3% market share compared to 5% and 7% for Sony and LG. If something should happen to HTC competition would be fine. You could even make the case that some consolidation would be beneficial because there would be less companies fighting for what's left after Samsung's cut of the market. Samsung and two reasonably strong and healthy Android manufacturers would be fine for competition.

This is a pretty good summary of HTC's current position and the Android market in general...

http://gigaom.com/2013/05/22/htc-one-and-the-harsh-reality-of-the-android-ecosystem/
[Galaxy S 4 General] jj03:
Don't you sound like a bitter little man....
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
They are a public company. They made no profit last quarter as $2MM in profit is tantamount to zero based on billions in revenue. Public companies can't sustain HTC's level of financial performance without radical restructuring and/or repositioning. The One was seen as their "Hail Mary" and based on their own projections

the One's not selling as well as the X/S/V based on their Q2 guidance ($2.4B '13 vs. $3.05B '12)

. HTC generated

$5.3B in revenue for the first half of 2012

. Their best case for the

first half of 2013 is $3.8B

and that's based on their actuals from Q1 and what they are guiding for Q2. And that guidance factors in all the production volume improvements they've achieved with the One and doesn't factor in the flop of the Facebook phone. That's a

28% Q1/2 drop year-over-year

. So with $9.6B in revenue last year and $3.8B for the first half of this year

they have to do $5.8B for the last half of this year

to even match last year's numbers better yet improve them or gain any market share. They generated

$4.7B in the last half of 2012

and would

need to do 20% better YOY in the last half of 2013

to even match last year's total revenue. That's

a delta of +48%

based on their most recent performance. Does anyone here think that's even remotely achievable taking in to account they

haven't posted a YOY quarterly revenue gain since 2010

? HTC doesn't need fans and support they need a novena.

And don't forget they've also lost tier-one supplier status which means their access to components and the prices they pay for them are going to be challenging which is going to affect production and make their cost structure non-competitive. Add to all of that the employee exodus and it's hard to see a scenario where 2013 is going to help HTC in any way. If it turns out the way it's tracking the good news is they are going to finally have to address their structural problems which they've pretty much been ignoring.

If someone sees any bright spots in the financials that I don't please point them out. I get *****ed at for picking on HTC but the numbers are what they are. It doesn't mean in any way the One's not a great effort on HTC's part; just that it's not enough to reverse years of mismanagement and bad decisions which the piper is finally going to have to be paid for.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Samsung just hit 10 million shipped, new S4 colors coming this summer

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/22/samsung-galaxy-s-4-10-million/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
This is the part that scares me. I hope "cranking up" the quality is somewhere in the big minds back in Korea. No one lost an eye with the SGS4's launch but it wasn't trouble free. They have a lot on their plate with the SGS4 Mini, Active, Zoom, N3, Megas, and G-Tab 3's and it's easy to forego quality in a quest for volume. And Purple Mirage? Seriously? ;)

Samsung has been able to crank up production and speed up worldwide rollouts for its increasingly popular flagship models, contributing to the rapidly increasing pace of sales.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] ai6908:
I had been with HTC from the wizard days...just now went to moto and will not complain. So try new if you feel like it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yep. And speaking about a lot on their plate besides all these upcoming releases, they are working hard on the note 3. They really have 2 flagship devices when you look at it, the galaxy s series and now the galaxy note series.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's what I'm looking forward to. It'll most likely have Octa/LTE and, if things go like last year, perfected versions of what's been introduced on the SGS4. Maybe even KLP if it’s out by fall. It'll probably have a bigger 1080P display in the same footprint like the SGS4 which would be great. Even if it's more susceptible to cracking, ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
So am I. I think it'll have the octa the way it was supposed to perform ( see Andreilux thread lol) and enhanced S pen features with insane battery life. Time flies, it'll be here in no time. As far as KLP, it could have it if KLP is launched in July with the nexus 7 successor. If KLP is released with the nexus 5 then it won't make the note 3 release but I don't think it will since android 4.3 is right around the corner.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
I'm on Note II and I'm able to run any apps on multiwindow with Multiwindow manager mod - so that should come to S4 too. No biggie. Heck, I get floating multiwindows with Xperiacles mod currently with any app!

And yeah coulda woulda shoulda. We're talking how it's working currently and it's nowhere near functional as multiwindow on touchwiz. If it gets remotely as good as touchwiz, then we'll talk.
[Galaxy S 4 General] irishrally:
I'm thinking about getting the S4 Google Edition. My N4 is cracked and the bottom 1/4" of the screen is unresponsive so I have to use LMT PIE or other PIE. I'm actually getting by fine with PIE but I'm itching for a new gadget before the N5 is released. I like the S4GE because it reminds me of what I always wanted in the successor to the Nexus S (probably my favorite) but instead we got the Galaxy Nexus. "Nexus S2" might be my next phone in a month. Wish there was a straight black version.

More on topic ... I like the HTC One a lot too but I really don't want to upgrade from the N4 to a phone with the same size screen. The extra diagonal 0.3" is a lot and probably the main reason why I would pick the S4 over the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I know exactly what you mean. When I first got the N4, that's the first thing that I really like, hoe the screen is a little wider. It give so much room to work with. Very comfortable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] knowallyoudont:
I really like the weight of this phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
I admire Samsung for this. :thumbup:

They have all bases covered(colors, Dual sim, bigger screen, google Edition, rugged version bla. Bla..)

No other manufacturer can do this & based on market research they do,there's one or other phone they have for everyone.

S4 is rushed in my opinion & so is the One but comparatively I would vote for the S4. I have some doubts over future quality of the HTC One (SHARP company screen been used to component shortage, removal of patented mic due to Nokia lawsuit) so phones available now might have better quality components than later ones, provided you are lucky in getting hold of device which is not defective. Also Repair of HTC one is tedious, time consuming & expensive so screw their aluminium propaganda.

I saw someone mentioning 32GB SGS4. Is that carrier locked or factory unlocked one & also which country?
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
OT:

GS4 is better because of this :)

[YOUTUBE]NfF8mNu_fdA[/YOUTUBE]

Still a better love story than Twilight!
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
You mean the love story of him and his S4 ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Yea!

Guess any story is better than Twilight..
[Galaxy S 4 General] saugstauber:
[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]Here is a little help, if you can't decide whether to take the one or s4:

[YOUTUBE]iMiUkgPL7iQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] chalid:
And why exactly? More brightness just for the sake of more brightness is totally pointless. There are other factors to consider as well, like contrast, color reproduction, resolution, viewing angles, screen and mirror reflections ... and so on. Display brightness is only a means to an end, namely to offer readability to the content.

The SGS4 not only offers great indoor readability, but very good outdoor readability too. So why do you need a brighter display? Are you visually impaired? This is not an insult! I really want to know why it's that important comparing data sheets when real life usage isn't a problem at all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
[YOUTUBE]eTykY2B0kEY[/YOUTUBE]

;)

But i´ve to agree with your last sentence!
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Why HTC didn't do the same with the front of the HTC One, like they did with the front of their new announced HTC desire 600?

Puremind, you can't say now that they couldn't use bigger screen with this kind of design ;) So what will be your excuse now?:silly:

(I mean the way the speakers are placed)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
HTC One sales hits 5 million mark

Not bad for the limited availableness.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I find it very weird that it only got posted in AndroidAuthority and not in any other site (apart from the source of course).

Also, the availability of the phone is still very low so I find it hard to believe to this figures.

BUT, if this in fact true, than good for HTC :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
A couple of pages back you can find a link to a real life review of the screen with light reflections and it confirms the measurements. The phone is more reflective and dimmer, so not bad but not ideal for reading in the sun.

As you say, other characteristics are also important, so it will depend on many factors which screen you prefer, whether you are an on-the-go person or homely, whether you live in a bright sunny country or further away from the equator, if you have small or big hands, whether you like punchy colors, whether you can read well at close range or are visually impaired, whether you have a red/green deficiency, whether you like to see shadow details in a film, etc...

Both displays are very good, so everyone should determine what suits their needs best.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
if I were Asus I would buy HTC. Asus are really strong in the laptop and tablet segment and have a similar innovative, risk-taking, design-oriented mindset as HTC. They would complement each other perfectly, plus they are both Taiwanese...!

---------- Post added at 04:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:23 PM ----------

It looks like they have the same front facing speakers and boomsound on the desire as well. The speaker cover is just different ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
They killed it! There's no stopping Samsung at this point. No wonder why apple is all over them cause they saw this coming.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
I think one of the advantages for Samsung is that they are willing to take risks on the software/connectivity front. Look at how they make use of WiFi-Direct tech.

Have anyone used the SideSync?

[YOUTUBE]HVvczhM5KxI[/YOUTUBE]

Looks really cool!
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
it only for Samsung Laptops :crying::crying:

but i used Link on my S2 and N2 and its great :good:

---------- Post added at 05:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:54 PM ----------

its pre orders + shipped + sold ;)

meanwhile Samsung Sold 10 million GS4 in 1 month

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/23/samsung-galaxy-s4-hits-10-million-milestone/
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I think that once devs will get their hands on this software they'll be able to "port" it to other laptops (after all, it's the same platform).
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
They did not sell 10m,

Just shipped to partners

Enviado desde un Samsung Galaxia S Cuatro LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2272075

http://androidadvices.com/download-phone-screen-sharing-app/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Iirc there's already a fix for that mentioned in this thread, so it's usable with any computer.