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[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
IMHO Puremind puts forward a decent case in a good manner but spoils it with the barbs, particularly the er perceived wealth and economic success of those who buy what phone, again all supposition on his/her part or a debate tactic which says more about him than he'd like, I guess.

Quality is quality perceived quality is foggy nonsense.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
The only specific thing about the battery is that they won't cover things which are not in accordance with the user manual, and normal wear and tear.

I have battery stats from when I first got the phone, if there is a significant reduction, then I will know.

There is nothing specific. A 30% reduction in 18 months would be unacceptable and I would be returning under warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
But they don't. Have you ever seen HTC claim this? They keep it a secret because it would seriously damages the sales - Especially in the US where people often have 2 years contracts. It seems you have a lot of inside-information about HTC's strategy which you probably cannot support. As an example is the whole appeal to the masses. Are you really saying that HTC does not want their phone to have the same success as SGS3? And why is HTC One not priced higher than SGS4 then?

Most people I know can afford a phone every year (in Denmark the average user keeps their phone for 9 months) but still expect that it works in a year the same way it did when the bought it. It is not a dispensable phone.

Apple uses Lithium-Ion batteries which has longer longevity than Lithium-Polymer so the problem is not as huge. But yes this is still Apples approach - and it is not something that most power-users care for. Why do you think we are on an xda Android forum anyway? Are you preaching for the masses or the tech-savvy?

Fast Charge is disabled yes and as I mentioned this will prevent the battery from dying in the worst case scenario: 3 years. But the best scenario is still 5 years meaning a deterioration of up to 20% per year.

Please, please, please define the "best technology". Is it battery life, performance, screen size, amount of sensors, faster charging??

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You are right. Warranty only covers defects. Lithium batteries will lose performance even though the battery have no defects. It is common for any kind of battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
S4 is definitely not better than the HTC one but that also was last year with S3 and One X. The thing here is that most of the advantages of the s4 over the HTC one are more important than the advantages of the HTC one over the S4.

Each one have it's own preference and needs so if you prefer the HTC one go with HTC one and if you prefer the S4 go with the S4.

You can't say that HTC one is a game changer because last year there was HTC one X that was an alternative for the S3. If you refer the game changer to his aluminum body then apple used it first, so is the iphone 5 is a game changer? No. So is the HTC one.

A very long time I haven't seen any game changer in the market (the last one was the galaxy s2 two and a half years ago) and until there will be flexible devices or totally unbreakable screens.

Last point, you write design but you actually talking about the phone's look. Design and look of a phone are two different things. IMHO, the design of the HTC one is not good but the look is superb.

Design where I should struggle to get to the power button, or the speaker's grills that easily come off. It's not a good design.

Just want to state, buy whatever device but don't be biased. Look is subjective and not everything. If it was everything then everyone would buy an Iphone 5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
How can normal behavior be unacceptable. It is commonly known:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Disadvantages

Everyone with a laptop will also know that the battery loses capacity and it will not be changed under warranty. Some companies have even made good business of selling new batteries to computers.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Did you ever got replacement of your laptop's battery when it started losing power after 1.5 years? No, cause this is a known disadvantage of lithium-ion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mancuk29:
One reason ... battery
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Guy, the battery loses 20% when you full charge it and then lay it down anywhere (and dont touch it for a year). FULLCHARGED! If the battery is down to 40% and you would lay it down for a year, it will cost u 4% capacity per year. So in average you´d loose about 10% per year and not 20%.

As i like to say: My Hd2 (3.5years old) still has its first battery. I charged it at least 1 time a day. The battery still brings me through a full day with 2-3hours onscreen time. Not that bad, huh?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
What was the screen on time?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Did you read the article? Based on their assumptions, my losses would be probably less than 10% per year, not 20%. I don't have my phone in a near full state of charge in 25 degree temperatures most of the time.

The problem with laptops is heat, and that they are constantly left plugged in with a full charge and run off the the AC cable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Smartphones facing heat problems too. My laptop (dell r17) get treated just like my phone and it is starting to show worse (3 hours of active compared to 4+ hours) results compared to 1.5 years ago. The same thing with my HP Compaq laptop.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mancuk29:
Ah perhaps not as good as I'm making out thought my screen was on a lot longer . I do however have it on full brightness

1hr 50 mins
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Yeah, well as I said....laptops are a different case. I know from my experience of using phones, that if battery life drops 30% in 18 months, the battery is defective and I will be getting it replaced under warranty.

I don't expect the battery life to be an issue anyway, it's just a way of people justifying removable batteries. Just like doing a battery pull to reset the phone, totally unnecessary, even on a phone with removable battery.

I'm not against removable batteries, just don't think it's needed if you get reasonable battery life. Never used a spare on my Note 2.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
And i have to say, i prefer loosing 5-10% battery capacity a year over loosing 2.5% brightness IN 3 WEEKS! + battery ;)

So your anyway dim display will loose about 16% brightness a year. Will be fun in the sun.

We better dont start talking about the increasing blue tint the display will show, the burn in all amoleds have and the throttling?

source:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1124669
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
IMO removable batteries have different purposes then just replace the battery. Here is one reason for example why I need it:

When flashing ROMs, Mods etc the devices may going into bootloop or freeze and the easiest way to go to recovery or download mode from there is by removing the battery.

I've never used a spare on my S3 either.

I have also a Samsung Galaxy S for 3 years (which have a super amoled display) and the only problem I noticed in the display department is the burn in and it is almost unnoticeable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Press the Power Button on the One for about 8 Seconds. Same result and even faster to do.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Realy? in 5 seconds I remove the battery of my S3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Wow, you topped me. GZ. But care not to brake the 0,0001mm thick plastic (sry i couldnt resist :laugh:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Did you see there is 3 bullets? You only looked at the last one.

Yes if you leave your phone at 40% without using the loss is minimal. However each cycle also kills capacity. Since it is not an 800 cycle battery it will probably be good for 530 cycles. Adding this with the normal lost capacity and you have a cocktail that will kill your battery faster than 10% per year.

Everyone with old smartphones that are still being used - knows that after 3-4 years most phones batteries are usually completely dead. And the HTC One is often quite hot due to the new powerful processor compared to older phones which is no good for the battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
What about this? not the s3 but the same material

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Zz3p5rQcM
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Well I have my display changed under warranty with both my SGS2 and SGS3 due to burn in (and the latter also had another defect in the display). Since it is not normal that phone screens have burn in due to many of them being none-AMOLED it is considered a defect. Try doing the same with your battery.

Besides the burn-in was MINIMAL on the SGS3 compared to the SGS2. This is the advantage of PenTile,
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
I knew its very bendable... but feels and looks very cheap.

But i have to say: Wow, the note´s back looks pretty good with that non-glossy finish. They should use that for the s4 as well.

Two years of guarentee on the battery. If it loses more then 30% in 2 years, you´ll get it changed
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
In one sentence you say "feels and looks very cheap" and the other you say "looks pretty good". Decide, good or "very cheap".

BTW, you tried to hold a S4 that you immediately says that is feels cheap? Try it before saying such thing. I saw people commenting about it the day the s4 was announced and I thought "WHAT? they didn't even try the device yet".
[Galaxy S 4 General] secany:
I'm gonna make this real simple.

I have in front of me are iPhone 5, Nexus 4, Galaxy S3, Galaxy S4, HTC One, Sony Xperia Z .

Long story short: Best phone so far is GALAXY S4.

Full story:

- 3 months ago, I got my Nexus 4, and then I think "meh, real fast, but I like the iPhone 5 more".

- a month ago, I got my Xperia Z, I'm fall in love immediately. But after using for more than a day, I switch back to iPhone 5. Reason is the phone look /very/ nice, but performance is slow. Camera take forever to load, battery life is pathetic.

- 5 days ago, I got HTC One. Then I /really/ like the speaker, the LCD, then I start to install softwares, prepare to switch to it.

- 14 hours ago, I got my Samsung Galaxy S4. First half an hour, playing with software, feel so so, nothing special. Then I start to use it to read news, take pictures, email, etc.... and /HELL YEAH/ it is /A LOT/ better then HTC One. Between Touchwiz and Sense 5.0 , Touchwiz is a winner. Easier to use, better to customize, and phone feel faster. There is NO LAG at all.

I have to say that speaker on HTC One is better than S4. But S4 speaker is a lot better than S3. Even better than iPhone 5, and about 90% of HTC One.

Air gesture is a winner. Smart scroll is not very good to me though. Camera apps is better. Picture quality is slightly darker than One, but I feel color is more realistic. LCD tone is better. Although HTC One LCD white color is whiter.

And don't forget that notification system on S4 is hell better. I could not fine shortcut / toggles on HTC One default ROM at all (What a failure).

When typing email, I make less typo on S4 compare to HTC One.

And YES, Remote control app (TV, Set top box, etc.) on S4 is beat the crap out of HTC One. Remote control Apps on HTC One is confusing, hard to config, and to me it's a piece of crap.

The most important thing: Touch button on HTC One is crap. Only Back and Home. You have to double tap the home button to bring multitasking. And if you want to close apps on background, you have to swipe one by one to close. PATHETIC. I have to add that 3 out of 10 times, double tapping the home button sometimes did NOT work for me.

Those are my personal ideas. Please do not judge that I am stupid so pathetic or a loser. I have been using mobile phone since Nokia 3210, and have a master degree on computer science. I believe my skills are perfectly enough to recognize which phone is better for me. I did NOT mean HTC One is a bad phone. It's a good phone, but Galaxy S4 is a whole lot better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
The "look pretty good" was for the note.

The "looks and feels very cheap" was for the s4.

And yes, i had it in my hands yesterday:

The white one is ugly as s***. The black one is ok.

Display is nice to look at, a bit oversaturated maybe on standard settings. Touchwizz looks too childish / cartoonish for me. I prefer the serious Sense. The device had laggs here and there, but not as bad as some guys reported. What annoyed me:

White is really bad on low brightness

Display is much(!) to dim on automode (even on full)

Display on full brightness is not really bright. Its ok for indoor but i think it´d struggle outside.

Delay of Homebutton

Delay of Dialer

Delay of Phonebook

Delay of Messenger App

And the worst point:

The design and feel of the device just doenst live up to its ultra premium price of 650-700€ for the 16gb version. For me the device could be a 150€ phone with high end hardware. Thats how it looks and feel (THATS JUST MY OPINION, OTHERS MAY FEEL DIFFERENT ABOUT IT! but just till the s5 comes with aluminum ;) )

I dont hate plastic. I actually think its a good material for phones. But it should look and feel good. The Samsung designer should take some lessons from htc and nokia how to create good looking and good feeling plastic phones.

Speaker:

90% of the one??? Not in this life. It is as loud as the one, but not even close in terms of quality.

The s4 feels faster then the One? Are you sure you are talking about the one and not the one sv or something like that?

Toggles: Wait for 4.2.2 or take this one, works perfectly:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5wYWlubGVzcy5wYyJd

Remote App:

Confusing? I needed 4min to configure 2 rooms with 3 devices in each rooms. The remote app is perfectly fine and easy to use. The only thing that doesnt work for me atm: The shortcuts of the actual running program (cause its stuck on its standard configuration. So for htc "Pro Sieben" is on programm 5, but on my sat-receiver its on 7.

Keyboard:

Every single review state that the keyboard of the one is far superior to the sgs4´s. But ok, thats personal preference.

Buttons:

Do you have the newest update for the one? 1.29? That increased the sensivity of the buttons a lot.

Multitasking:

You have to hold the homebutton on the s4. Needs more time then double tapping the home button on the one. But i agree, there should be a "close all apps" button like on the s4.

In exchange the multitasking on the one looks much better then the stadard ics multitasking.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Ah okay. But you deem it unacceptable, but what if they say it's normal and batteries degrade over time? Hence my question by the way. I might find 20% unacceptable, unless there's some objective definition, how would they do it?

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As I said, although not a biggie, it need not necessarily work all the time. I've seen multiple thread where users had to let it die and then boot into recovery after charging. And I'd even posted earlier. That said, again, far from a big deal - but these things do happen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rl421403:
Yes battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Its called warranty in english - the other word is only used in german, danish etc.

Is there an echo in here? Warranty covers factory DEFECTS. A 30% drop is COMMON and thus NOT a defect. Since warranty only covers defects how do you propose it should cover something that is not a defect??

You are in total denial here :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
And it is also depends on usage. If you use your battery wrong it can get 50% drop and even more...
[Galaxy S 4 General] blahblahyoutoo:
do you carry a purse/murse, or have baggy pants with deep pockets to carry that everywhere you go? with that plus the removable battery, i would imagine you do.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
In reality, this is all hypothetical. If your battery is dropping 20-30% in the first year, this is not normal, and the battery must be defective. How do I know? From experience using phones. Most people would say their battery life turns to crap over time, but often this is more software related than anything.

Recently, between selling my Note 2 and buying the One, I went back to a 3 year old Galaxy S (which is still on it's original battery). The battery life was fine, about how I always remembered it. According to you guys, it should only have half the battery life it once had (maybe less). The main problem I had with it is the horrible Amoled screen is completely wrecked and would go random colours whenever it felt like it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] M. Sherif:
the main two reasons to get S4 is the battery and you can insert a memory card and for sure the support of samsung is better than HTC .. you will get the updates faster than any other companies :))
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Compare the updates of the One X to the S3, and tell me whether you still think the same.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Samsung was first.. but we better dont start to discuss about how good that update was ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Yeah I've seen older phones with excellent battery life and ****ty batteries, which IMHO proves nothing. All batteries are not necessarily created equal.

You could tell that you know it from experience, but I was just curious about your earlier claim that you could get it replaced if there's around 30% drop or something - as in if there's an objective warranty clause that covers for it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
No this is not hypothetical. Anyone with a laptop will be able to confirm this. Anyone who have used the same smartphone for more than 3 years will be able to confirm the battery is a close to unusable. Oh and we have many sources confirming this.

Software-related??? So if a person with a bad battery flashes their phone with a new ROM or simply just restore factory settings the battery magically gets back to life? Wow that really changes everything. I have a dead battery in my 2,5 year old laptop. So the battery is actually perfect and Windows is the real culprit?

And all that literature (and Wikipedia) that explains how lithium batteries work also must be changed because of you revolutionary new discovery ;)

How’s that for not living in denial ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
And to be fair, Samsung isn't terrible with OTA updates either. S2 still got JB while many other phones which released at the time or post that still hasn't got JB OTA. And probably will still get 4.2.2, which ain't bad for a 2 year old phone tbh.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
besides the screens being a matter of preference:

SGS4: bigger, more contrasty due to AMOLED (colors really 'pop', black is very black)

HTCO: smaller, more accurate

besides the cameras being a matter of preference:

SGS4: 13MP -- very highly detailed images and very, VERY, nice pictures for a phone.

HTCO: 4MP -- but large pixels, so faster shutter speeds (easier to take crisp images with a shaky hand), better low light performance, but not as detailed images. Also wider field of view and more stable video.

Here is where HTC drops the ball and Samsung pick it up:

SGS4:

Replace the battery, very handy while on the go or extending the life of your phone past a year or two.

HTCO:

Better be ready to keep it tethered all the time while charging, and oh ya, it's a disposable phone after about a year or two.

SGS4:

Trouble finding the large memory model or too expensive? need lots more space for photos, music, videos or games? just add a cheap SD card. Problem solved!

HTCO:

You don't need any choices on this matter; you don't get to collect all that cool content. We will tell you what's good for you. The cloud solves everything as long as you don't use it much.

SGS4:

Plastic case that doesn't creak and feels very sturdy and lightweight.

HTCO:

Metal case that looks nice n cool, but dents and falls apart, because premium look is now more important than actual build quality. Oh ya -- camera glass breaks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
No, i cant confirm that. Still on the first battery on my HD2. The phone is now 3.5 years old. Its not as good as on the start, but the battery is still able to get me through a normal day of use (about 2-3 hours of screen on)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
This is hypothetical, because you are assuming there is a problem which doesn't actually exist. Where are all the threads in the One X section with people complaining that their battery life has turned to crap? If most people are happy after a year, and someone has had a significant drop, then surely there's some kind of defect with the battery? Would this not be similar to burn in on an amoled after a relatively short period of time?

I'm not talking about your laptop, I'm talking about phones. I'm talking about my girlfriend complaining that the battery life on her S3 is rubbish now, not because her battery is degrading, but because all of the rubbish she has put on her phone. I can guarantee if I did her a clean install of a stock rom, her battery life would be fine again.

This is not to say that batteries don't degrade, but not at the rate a lot of people are saying on here. By your reasoning, the galaxy s I was using recently wouldn't have had a hope of lasting through the day.....but it did.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
One biggie is the display. Offsetting for the One's fixed nav bar, the display is actually 4.2" for apps and games and the S4 is 5". For a same size device, that is a relatively huge difference.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cturbos:
Why don't you look at the PADFONE INFINITY?I think you'll never look back.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Has it been used as your main phone in all that time?
[Galaxy S 4 General] JustinL01:
I find it funny that there people are still so set on the removal battery and storage. It is just as easy to take a small battery pack with you and of course you have the benefit of a few charges without much bulk. Also with the new devices and battery construction you will find the non removable battery's being better quality and more robust than the removable ones. As Apple have been doing for years, if you need a new battery in 3 years they just replace the device. By then anyway most people would have a new phone anyway.

Removable storage is not part of Google's plan for Android hence so many devices removing it, so I would plan for for a non removable storage future.

I have used the HTC One for the last few weeks and am now trying out the SGS4, I will judge the phones without worrying about the removable battery or storage but on how I actually find the phones. At the moment the jury is still out for me :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Oh but there is:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2096459

My SGS2 had terrible burn in after a year where the screen was on 1.5 hour every day when commuting and using the GPS. Same procedure with my SGS3 but after 10 months the burn was barely noticeable with that.

Phones and laptop share the same battery-technology. What your girlfriend is experiencing is not relevant. I bet she is not very tech-sawy or do alot of xda'ing.

Has it been used as a primary phone for 3+ years?

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Apple uses lithium-ion which lasts longer than lithium-polymer. And if the battery is dead after 3 years it will have gradually deteriorated in that period resulting in gradually poorer battery life.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JustinL01:
Trentor's all I am saying is with the design of the new non removable batteries they are improving faster than removable ones as you generally have more space and are able to use different materials in the construction. Most people's phones will have been sold on or gone wrong for other reasons way before they start seeing significant battery degradation hence why this isn't an issue for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
95% of the time