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[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Its not like previous years all three current flagship phones are worth buying even the xz if you live in a country where it rains a lot, op just buy the one you want.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Actually, the xperia Z won't do any better in rain than HTC one and s4 then you are totally wrong. Even my s3 survived the rain many times :cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
This is because the stock browsers activate power saving as a default, so brightness is quite poor for web browsing:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Wrong, you are totally mega wrong apart from the fact that my xz comment was an ironic aside, anyone defending and identifying with a phone make and model is sub par as our pension funds upon which we depend all invest in all of the companies as do all big funds, the companies may operate independently but the shareholders are all the same, we all own all the companies to a small degree.
[Galaxy S 4 General] killervna911:
one is better than S4???

One is only better than S4 upon those:

- Designation

- Camera (ultra pixel): better in low-light capture.

Rest is bad. :o
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Even the camera is dubious if you aren't taking low light shots or don't like blurry bits in your pics that and build quality is what is stopping me getting the Ho now, both Sammy and HTC could've done so much better if they'd tried.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shocky2:
I can already read outside on the Galaxy S4 just fine, also the stock browser limits brightness, try Chrome which is also pre-installed and it gets s bit brighter.

LCD has always been brighter than OLED, but that doesn't always mean it's easier to read in sunlight as there are other factors to consider.
[Galaxy S 4 General] KennyLegend:
The One has better outside visibility than the S4. I tried both side by side.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The fact it is doesn't matter who has the better outside visibility (And I still doubt that all the technological site are wrong) when they both visible outside.
[Galaxy S 4 General] The4thaggie:
I chose a S4 over the One. My biggest deal is both battery life, long-term battery replacement ease, and overall ease of fixing/replacement. I also find the S4 to be sexier than the One :/.

I am coming off a iPhone 4s which was a decent phone aside from the the battery crapping out. I've been cycling ios and android because I like both OSes for different reasons. As long as I am able, I will buy phones with replaceable batteries.

I also wanted external storage. Superfast LTE is great (this is my first LTE device), but the bandwidth limits and extreme costs of overages make it impossible for me to enjoy any cloud media services on cell networks (3GB for $30? Are you kidding me). If I am in wifi, I am usually around a computer with much better audio equipment and screens. So, I need to keep a decent library of music, videos, and even photos.

I simply love the 5" 1080p AMOLED screen. I love it better than the Retina on the iPhone 4s (which is understandable given the resolution). The size difference between the One and S4 is not that significant on paper, but it was also a considering factor. I can see a bit more and have a fuller experience. It certainly kills my iPhone and my 4" Captivate.

Aside from the Beats audio, metal trim, and higher pixel density, I don't see an advantage to the One. It's their "last hope" device, and that makes me fearful for long-term support and the such.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bob13bob:
I have really been enjoying your critical Analysis pure. You should create a review site.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
I agree :)

Puremind measuring the nits of brightness scientifically in the other thread has been a breath of fresh air in a sea of people talking out of their a** with their personal, non-scientific opinions like:

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[Galaxy S 4 General] plotinus:
I was having this indecision a while ago but the s4 features are impressive. But the feature that wins my heart is multi Window. I had the note 2 and this is something I'm really missing right now (had to go back to s2) so I realized this is a feature I got used to and it's really handy. But let me be honest. If somebody could port multi Window feature to the one I would chose the HTC. Love the look. But at the end I'm choosing the s4 for this reason/feature. You should pick the most practical phone and the one that has the features you really use/like
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
This is where I come into play:

Maximum Brightness

Even without any Power Option engaged, white levels on white or near white content will be 15% to 20% below peak brightness (290cd/m² from 355cd/m²)

Auto-Tone will clip whites further above 60% Average Picture Level

Power Saving reduces brightness by 25%

In Chrome and in the stock browser the Power Saving mode is activated as a default (surely in an attempt to fool battery tests into overestimating number of browsing hours on battery) - and cannot be defeated. It is therefore recommended to switch to another browser (e.g. AOSP) for better outdoor viewing.

The graph below outlines the brightness throttling mechanism in Dynamic/Standard/Auto Mode at maximum brighness.

As we can see, web browsing is the activity that will take the most serious hit, seeing as web browsing average picture levels typically falls within the 70% to 90% APL range. Although the throttling is to conserve battery life, this a bit sneaky from Samsung, as this tricks reviewers into overestimating battery life and consumers into believing they have the best of both worlds (brightness and battery life). There is a choice that can and has to be made.

Auto-Brightness

Using auto-brightness instead of maximum brightness will actually enable a boost mode, which will activate under prolonged exposure to extremely bright light (I had to use my HTC One's flash at close range to simulate this).

Summary

The boost mode offers a 35% brightness gain, however this gain starts to plummet at around 60% APL, which means that the gain for web browsing and Google Maps will only be 5 to 15%

The peak brightness under prolonged sun exposure at 1% APL level is 478cd/m² (displaymate measured this at 475cd/m²). whereas the maximum brightness for pure white ends up at the unboosted level of 383cd/m²

Without Boost Mode, the brightness curve in a birghtly lit environment is exactly the same as the maximum brightness captured in my earlier graph.

The auto brightness -5/+5 radio button has no impact on the maximum brightness achievable - it will go full throttle if it has to. Only brightness at lower ambient light levels is impacted by this fine-tuning...

There is no Power Saving mode override in auto-brightness, and those browsers even benefit from the Boost Mode.

Conclusion

The brightness is fine in most situations, but for web browsing (which has an APL between 70% and 90%) this will not be comfortable in the sun and even with boost mode activated, this will be 60% dimmer than the HTC One for web browsing (which has the same reflectance value). For other applications the gap will only be more narrow and almost negligible in the sun (developers have already confirmed that it will be possible to lower the threshold so that boost mode is triggered at lower levels of ambient light).
[Galaxy S 4 General] 2dmaxhtc:
How about what I don't like ! I can't understand how a700 dollar phone has lag, I'm sending this unfinished junker back and getting a htc one
[Galaxy S 4 General] hello00:
i lol'd
[Galaxy S 4 General] James.Miller:
Hi puremind, the watchon controls my Onkyo just fine. Perhaps the list of supported receivers is a bit patchy?
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Maybe I didn't use it properly, but I only gad TV's and Set Top Boxes as a choice. Let me go back to it...

---------- Post added at 02:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 AM ----------

Yes, I agree about the lags, this is really annoying, I am thinking this is because of Dual View, but apparently dual view was also on the Note II, so maybe it isn't. Even with all sensing features deactivated, this lags and menus are unresponsive...

Obviously, we know the lags are not a limitation of the hardware, so a different launcher will fix this...

One thing I also find poor is that the phone constantly overestimates my room temperature by 3-8 degrees, would it have been so hard to build in a correction based on battery/processor temperature?
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
WatchOn doesn't have Onkyo?

Anyways I have now downloaded an app from GooglePlay which works perfectly for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] James.Miller:
how odd, mine certainly does lol.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I can't add further devices on mine! I am limited to TV and set top box!

Edit: wow! The option to add further devices is so well hidden!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] tommykiang:
the volume is low for LTE set, useless
[Galaxy S 4 General] boterkaaseneieren:
Convinced already?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sparksltd:
I had the same dilemma. Htc one or gs4. The chap at the phone shop really wanted me to get the htc one but I went for the gs4 in the end. Main reason for me was that I think the htc one is just ugly imo. Galaxy phones always look the sleekest to me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tomo1971:
I like the look of the bare htc one, in fact it's probably better looking than the s4 but I generally have my phones in a case, I can get a tad paranoid about them been scratched and damaged.

So for me, the look of the phone is over weighed to an extent on what accessories are available. The past tells us that the galaxy range have been particularly well catered for by accessory manufacturers, much more so than previous htc handsets.

Obviously the specs of the phone come into it as we'll, this is where they are very similar. Having a removable battery isn't a deal breaker for me as my work is always near a socket, or a phone is in a car dock. However, its the thought that at least I can change the battery out at some point if a. It has run down in a day, or b. over a period of time it develops a fault or doesn't retain a charge as well. It's just peace of mind I guess.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nickporwal:
No matter how much better htc one takes photos in low light , s4 still and will always beat htc one in good light conditions.

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tricky103:
My thoughts exactly, I have both phones here and the one's UI isn't as visually attractive as the s4, but then that maybe because I am used to the s3 and the note 2 and their predecessor's. The HTC is the Mrs phone so I will never get a chance to get to like it either. I am happy with the s4 though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Exactly, and no matter how good the S4 screen looks, the One's screen will always look better in good light conditions. It's all give and take.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Yet more indication that HTC is targeting and appealing to the design-conscious, premium segment and impinges on Apple territory.

http://news.yahoo.com/cheating-on-apple-150706785.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] lyrical1278:
Actually, there is a news article saying Samsung did hire students to bash HTC phones not sure if the investigation has finished, but that is the accusation at this time
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
Actually, there is an official SAMSUNG statement apologizing for this. They have already admitted to it publicly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
You should read the previous comments before that. We were talking about speaker grills falling off the HTC One and the guy said that it was Samsung who paid those particular guys to make up that story which is completely false.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JB910:
Why is this thread still going? If you plan on leaving your phone stock forever, get whichever you prefer. If you plan on rooting it and installing custom roms get the S4. HTCs are crap for development, which is why Samsung phones hold their value so much longer on the secondary market down the road. There is a lot more development for them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] scientificharmony:
Battery is defo better!
[Galaxy S 4 General] gemini002:
you gotta be kidding right???look at the roms here and then go over to one forums not even close man,the one has way more developer support#fact

The S4 is a good phone no doubt but how can ppl say that the One is uglier??Every apple head and everyone else I have showed my One to loved it few even went to go get it cmon apart from the metal new frame it looks cheap i will admit that the metal frame around the body makes it feel better but it still has lots of plastic next model need to get rid of this...

The S4 does take better outdoor pics with more details but since the one got the camera update its outdoor pics are much better now plus we all know that it destroys the S4 for indoor pics...I have played with a few s4 in store and my buddys it lags a bit The one is faster the shutter is delayed when taking pics ,the screen is not as bright as the one and the ones speakes well dont need to say anything about them :laugh:..The phone comes with unbranded beats headphones ..now the UI on the S4 is damn right ugly seriously who the f#*%k likes touch wiz???The only thing I liked was the 3 finger scroll down to see all settings and the use of eyes to scroll(although it does not work every time)too many gimmicks here why do I need air gestures or air scroll its a touch screen just as easy to touch it or slide the pic ..The screen on the S4 is nice and crisp but those colours cmon man they are not real world very over saturated....

I was gunna get a S4 was reading all the reviews and in the S4 reviews they kept talking about The One saying that the S4 is a good phone but the one has a better design or that the One is better this made me look at the One and im glad I got it..for those that always hated sense they have really stripped it down and made it so easy to use now very clean not messy like touch wiz in all honesty I hate touch wiz it really slows the phone down it is not optimized properly B4 you all go crazy I have a samsung galaxy tab and all 4 of my tv's are samsung so im no sammy hater .....If you get the S4 its for the features which most you will never use the camera, sd slot and removable battery..If you get the one its for the beats audio nicer and higher resolution screen sexy body ,low light/indoor pictures and lighting fast ui ..Yes there is no removable battery but my phone last well over a day it comes with 32 gigs and then drop box gives you another 25 gigs of storage that is more than enough...One last note i rooted and did a stock ota update to 1.29.xxxx.13 which is still 4.1.2 and the bench scores are higher than on stock 4.2 on S4 which has a higher operating system so when the one gets it in a month or so it will be faster
[Galaxy S 4 General] JB910:
Wow you totally twisted what I said. There are still active 4.2.2 roms being developed for phones as old as the Samsung Fascinate. Look at HTC phones that are as old in the same original cost range, the development is non existent. Sexy body? Once you throw an otterbox on it that is irrelevant, I hate that argument. Regardless have fun with your watermarked phone and trying to recover it if it ever becomes bricked.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 2dmaxhtc:
Has anyone have gallery lag issues? Cause every time I go to open the gallery I can count to 5to 8 secs before I see the picture?
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
Perfect timing lol...
[Galaxy S 4 General] schrickm5:
I was playing around with an S4 on the Saturday - it was actually a demo and lagged, but it must have had a million apps open. Nice phone though!

I would freeze using Titanium Backup any apps that are causing wake locks or ones you don't need. You need root.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
A guy yesterday posted here somewhere about how the firmware upgrade removed all lags including the camera lag :) Can't be arsed to search it out though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gemini002:
Rofl what the hell are u talking about:what: how is my phone watermarked bahaha I used a ota rom how am I gunna brick my phone? I have a HTC evo 3d lots of support and it's 2 years old they developers have it running 4.2.2 you have no idea what ur talking about you are the only person who thinks developers support Samsung more man ur killing me here...now does Samsung push updates out to carriers faster maybe but I have xda so why would I worry...I'm not putting a otterbox on this phone no way I dont work construction lol it has a thin sexy transparent gel case...get ur facts straight buddy:confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Htc one x had just few weeks update to 4.1.2. They're slower then samsung. If you compare the support samsung is much ahead bringing updates earlier. And in my opinion s4 is far ahead from one. Better specs, removable battery, better battery specs, sd card support... not only the aspect is relevant. Important is what you have inside. And if you compare with the octacore then definitely the one is miles behind. Look at the galaxy s2 beast, i own one and can tell you the thing is since 4 months on official android 4.1.2!!!! Where are the flagships from the time from the s2 from htc? I don't remember.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
This has been beaten to death and become the excuse for every problem being reported about HTC and their devices. Here are a couple of quick facts:

It happened last year as part of the SGS3 launch in Taiwan

Viral "recommendations" were part of a larger marketing program undertaken by Samsung Taiwan. Samsung Global had nothing to do with it.

There's a 63 page PPT presentation from OpenMind (the TW marketing company Samsung hired) to Samsung Taiwan describing the viral campaign and there's not a single mention of a competitor in it.

Bloggers could have been told by OpenMind off the record to trash HTC or they could have gone off script themselves without OpenMind's knowledge or involvement. There's been no evidence so far that either Samsung Taiwan or OpenMind condoned the trashing of a competitor.

Samsung apologized for the end result which they should have; something they sponsored ended up badly.

The Taiwanese government could have acted on this nine months ago. Their decision to publically announce and investigation timed with the SGS4's launch is as sketchy as bloggers trashing HTC.

Here's what the campaign was supposed to cover in case anyone's interested...
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Propaganda instead of hardware and specs discussion? Friend this is xda!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what happens to me with Gallery lag on my N2 and Note 10.1. When I'm connected to my home Wi-Fi network I get equal Gallery lag on both devices occasionally but it's never consistent. I just tried it on my N2 connected to my home network and today it's fine. If I'm on a non-home Wi-Fi network I don't get any lag and it also doesn't happen on HSPA. My theory is that because my home network has a ton of media across multiple PCs and a server the lag is the Gallery trying to pull all the content in and index it. The Gallery may also identify the most connected network as "home" and treat it differently from an indexing perspective. There could also be an update timer that periodically re-indexes all the content on the network which would explain why it's not consistent. Just my guess; YMMV.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gemini002:
Better specs?? Both phones have the same snapdragon processor it's only clocked a bit higher which can be easily done on the one once u root also the octo has been proven to be the same it's all over the forums..the screen is not better or the speakers or the headphones so how does it have better specs?? More features yes better specs nope...Samsung may push quicker updates I will not dispute that but being a xda member it does not matter I will get unofficial updates way faster or ota so meh
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
But does the phone blend? I firmly believe this is an issue we must look into before going on to specs and design

Sent un Samsung Galaxia S Quatro LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] bigox:
Forget the S4 and the ONE, I'm still rocking the S2 with CM10.1 with zero lag. I'm waiting for the S5 or the next Gnex. Neither S4 or the ONE stand out to me, peace people.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
The s2? Hells yeah that phone is so awesome you should wait for the gs8. You have a thunderbolt also?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Funny. And don't forget the HD2. I think it's on its eighth octa-boot OS. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Personally, this video is the best comparison i have seen between 2 phones. It is her point of view but she was so unbiased and it really helps those that are on the fence between these 2 phones. She does a great job at talking about each phones pros, you just find what you like better. I would say this, Gorilla lass 3 is incredible!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QATGs4kzfl4

this is a 1hour video but i promise you guys it is really worth watching :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
You my friend are new to this thread. Please read the last pages before reopening topics that have already been agreed upon, otherwise this thread will continue for another 100 pages. It is not helping when we have to reopen the same questions over and over again. The consensus is:

The specs only matter where they translate into a visible advantage (e.g. they address a weakness of other phone)

Both phones have different strengths that you would miss if you used the other phone:

For HTC: Boomsound, front-facing stereo speakers, snappy, fast-stabilizing, fast focusing camera, web browsing brightness outdoor, clean, snappy and simple OS experience with no lags.

For the S4: Larger screen with deep black and punchy colors (if these appeal to you) and overall hardware ergonomy (buttons, lightweight formfactor, higher resolution camera), removable battery, MicroSD is internal instead of OTG Stick, Samsung sensory features

For most people, if they can't choose between those respective advantages, it will be decided on one of the following aspects:

Battery life once stabilized and optimized by firmware updates/developers

Battery life relative to brightness on the S4

OS experience and fluidity once stabilized and optimized by fireware updates/developers
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I guess I wasn't invited to the meeting where the "consensus" was decided. A removable battery and expandable storage are still a big deal to some people. They are to me so I'm not part of the consensus. The SGS4's durability over the One's frail and expensive to repair aluminum unibody is another consideration but I'd put that in the risk/reward department vs. consensus. This will be totally shocking to some people but there are those of us that actually like Samsung’s s/w additions and would pick the SGS4 over the One because of it. The SGS4's obviously got s/w teething pains and it affects fluidity and performance and most likely battery life too. I'd like to believe those things will be corrected with updates. The h/w itself is superior (1.9GHz modified S-600, DDR3 RAM) so there's no reason to think that with updates the SGS4 won't be as fast and fluid as the One is if not more so. Sense is as heavy as it’s always been (based on free RAM). The only thing different this year is that scenes and themes got killed along with many popular widgets and the memory that saved is now supporting Zoe and BlinkFeed. The latter of which can't be disabled. I’d also expect the s/w issues affecting display performance on the SGS4 to be fixed with updates. As for AMOLED vs. LCD the amplified colors of AMOLED are actually liked by people as evidenced by the SGS3 outselling the One X with its gorgeous LCD display 10:1. There are more SAMOLED displays in use than two times all the LCD's of competing smartphones. So consensus really can't exist because everyone’s needs (and biases) are different.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
^+1 - I prefer my screen calibrated, but I was surprised to see how many people actually prefer S3's oversaturated screen over HOX's gorgeous display (which is still my favorite LCD display, mind). Fair to assume that Samsung has done their research on that front - otherwise it would defy all sense why they would throw in an oversaturated screen by default on their flagship devices.