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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
The OP seems like a product developer, either from Samsung or from a competitor, who is trying to get first hand impressions as to how the S4 is being received.

This is not the only thread in that vein. On both the HTC ONe and S4 forums, there is a thread called "The negatives of the One/S4". So it looks like someone is very interested in the respective perceived strengths and weaknesses of those flagship devices. This seems like a good way to gain market intelligence to me...
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads

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[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
Now we can talk about it. :victory:

HTC is not available in Brazil yet, so I'll stick with Samsung for now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toleraen:
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but it sounds like you're disagreeing? I have a single 64GB microsdxc that houses about 50GB of music, and the rest is filled with flashable stuff. I don't ever swap cards out unless I'm switching phones.

I utilize the data on the card pretty much any time I'm awake. Maybe now that I've switched to a carrier that actually has coverage in my area I'll start doing the streaming audio thing, but I'd rather just have the card in my phone instead of having to upgrade my data plan to handle it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
Nothing would make me drift to apple. They will never get my business.

Sent using XDA Premium on my OTA JB rooted XT910
[Galaxy S 4 General] durandetto:
I've read every post and I am just a consumer looking for as much information as possible to make a well informed decision. I am slightly biased towards HTC since that's all I've ever owned, but I'm seriously considering a change. I just don't want to regret my decision.
[Galaxy S 4 General] smarty2322:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...-to-beat-htc-one-to-best-mobile-title-1148165
[Galaxy S 4 General] burhanistan:
Just get the iPhone 6 and shut up forever.
[Galaxy S 4 General] durandetto:
Thank you for your intuitive and very informative post.
[Galaxy S 4 General] burhanistan:
My Pleasure!
[Galaxy S 4 General] cihanleanne:
why do you need people telling you what to buy?

if you ask which one do i prefer i would say HTC One. its beatiful device hardware point they are par really both have advantages. bot what makes difference Uİ and design the HTC One winner. i had GS3 and played with GS4 but Htc One feels different in hand
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Question: It seems like a official HTC website. Do they have beta or pre-release firmware like samsung sites? Those samsung-related sites are not officially run by Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gusto5:
Having a removable memory source is a pretty good reason to get the S4 if that's significant to you, especially if you're big on card slots vs plugging in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] durandetto:
Got some hands on time with the s4 at the sprint store. Didn't really wow me any more or less than the One. Didn't really notice any lag though. However I did notice the camera was having some trouble focusing. I didn't spend a lot of time in the settings so I'm not sure what could have been the issue. It did do pretty well on the spotty lte especially compared to my EVO.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57497324-94/mobile-phone-users-spending-more-dough-on-accessories/

https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/pr_120821/

Not only do cases get more popular each year, they're now at a point of nearly standard purchase, especially in stores. That's not even counting custom skins or designs which don't offer protection, and 86% of people who get a case look mainly for protection and durability.

http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-vs-galaxy-s4-by-the-numbers-195000/

300,000 shipped out, 1.2 million more on the way for HTC. Samsung on the other hand ships 10 million, with another batch on the way. Keep telling yourself HTC will match success, though.

*shocking* You ran a forum poll of your own and got the results you wanted. Quick, show the public so they believe that AMOLED, 13mp camera, and polycarbonate are all worse than 4mp/LCD/aluminum unibody! Or....we'll just look at demand, and see who voted with their wallet.

Calm down. Yes, you've been insulting people already, so don't put yourself into a position where you feel victimized. Stay on the topic at hand, and don't make things up. Show sources for claims.

Because there are sales figures and trends. Economics sides with the Galaxy S4 being more successful than the HTC One. It's not up to you to believe it or not, it's going to happen. The GS4 was 1 in the top 5, HTC didn't even enter into that ring with Sony/LG/Apple.

Then stop being ignorant, trolling, and lying. Stop calling people children and "unsuccessful" because of their choice in a phone.

As are your claims about demographics.

I can look at figures and facts and make judgments off of them. It's a math thing.

Marketing budget alone doesn't sell a phone, and the fact that you think HTC will be in the top 3 with 2 million phones and we're in Q2, before Apple has even turned the corner, is hilarious. Consumers will determine the success, not how you "feel" a phone is better based off of aesthetics. Quit making things up as you go along and produce some evidence.

When you are measuring success by a phone and how well it performs according to consumer demand, and you have, then yes it does. You're the one who set the precedent, I'm just showing you where the chips fall. "All kinds of ages =/= Children and old people", please, get some facts and sources. You can hate the mainstream all you want, but you don't get to put a phone in the top 3 unless the "mainstream" is interested in it to.

You have no idea about demographics, you have no sources, and no information for your point. Show one real statistic that says the Galaxy S4 caters to children/elderly/unsuccessful people, or give it up.

Making threats will get YOU off this thread. You started with personal attacks, admitted you are a troll, and have carried that attitude for multiple posts.

You have no proof that "most people" want what you want in an Android device. First you say Samsung appeals to the masses, and now you want to hold that the masses desire aluminum phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 00mred00:
I am lucky enough to be getting both, but this threw me off a bit

Not sure if it is a setting I missed or what. Brightness up, Samsung screen on dynamic and power save off
[Galaxy S 4 General] Icedamage:
screen brightness was the major reason why I bought an evo lte instead of the s3, but I have since learned to look at the signal bars instead. That evo lte has been a headache to deal with in almost every building I go into.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
1. I have shown you that cases are not prevalent. Stop bringing that up. It doesn't matter whether or not this is perceive or not by others. A brand is about your own personal values and whether the brand embodies them. If you don't want children in China to work in horrid conditions, maybe you won't buy Apple. Maybe no one will notice that you didn't buy Apple but maybe you will still feel good about it (by you I mean a hypothetical person as an example - before you accuse me of insulting you).

2. The numbers you quote for Samsung are predictions. Predictions are based on the past and people's beliefs about market reception. If Samsung outsold HTC 5 to 1 in the past, I don't think financial analysts would feel very good about Samsung forecasting any less?

The assumed sales for the HTC One are actually quite good considering the supply issues they have been facing. I don't think this should dictate the choice of the original poster, though... He should choose based on his preferences, not based on what the masses do or how well how quickly a manufacturer is able to cover additional markets with their supply.

3. Reread my previous post.

4. Regarding the poll, I have no influence over the results, given that it is an xda poll:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2192572

It is not the only poll out there either, if you find a better one, please post here or run your own!

5. You disfigure what I have said. I see no point in further arguing with you. I have given you sources, polls, charts, quotes, adverts to review. You have not disagreed one bit with those sources, or what they mean. You don't comment on statements, and you yourself make general sweeping statements about things that no one argued about. You keep changing the topic of discussion for no other reason than to find a ground where you can say something true and that no one is actually disputing - e.g. that Samsung will retain number 1 pot (or number 2 if apple get their act together).

If you want to be respected here, you need to stop obfuscating discussions and start making sense and respond to statements in a fair and sensible way. so unless you have something useful to contribute to this thread, instead of complaining about other people's contributions, I am going to please ask you to refrain from further discussion with me. That's the last of me on this thread, as I feel I have said what I had to say and cannot contribute further.

Please take personal issues you have with my person to a private message. It serves no one to read about petty fights like this. One last quote for you:

"Clearness is the ornament of profound thought"
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
You haven't shown anything. According to the very poll you ran, more people keep their phone covered then keep it "naked". Secondly, the contention was that most of the time people won't be showing off their phone because it's not a item you wear, which the poll did not refute. So your quotes from the folks at HTC were as pointless as I said they were. Phones are tools, not pure fashion statements. You don't show them off unless you are trying really hard to.

Those "predictions" come straight from HTC. They know how much product they're shipping, and so does Samsung. If the Galaxy Series didn't have a recent history of selling well and especially selling better than HTC phones, you would have a point. But that's not the case, and if you think one company can ship 10 million phones and end up with the same amount of sales as a company shipping 2 million, then you must not know Samsung.

And the S4 sales are forcing carriers to order more after being swamped. The OP should get his preference, you don't get to lie and call people names though for their preference, though. If you derail the discussion with insults, don't turn it around by blaming other people.

Addressed and refuted.

Wasn't my point. My point was this is a niche community, and you're saying EVERYONE wants what HTC offers in their device over the Galaxy S4. Your poll doesn't reflect that data at all, you made it up.

I'll use the poll of consumer demand, thanks.

Yes, I don't dispute that some HTC execs love their product. I do dispute that people are children, or don't have jobs, just because they chose function over form for an item that is a tool. I dispute your baseless claims on demographics, as well as your ignorance of marketing and skewed poll results.

Oh, can I earn the respect of a troll who bought a phone because of its "Hipster appeal"? Oh please, can I? You're free from this discussion, you're free to go back to your drooling (mouthwatering as you call it), and leave the topic to other people. Once again, saying people are unsuccessful/children because they bought a Galaxy phone is irrelevant to the topic, it's just ad hominem.

One last quote for you: "Throwing around quotes from people doesn't make you worldly or intelligent. It means you probably can't think for yourself" -Me.

Yup, take it to PM the next time you wish to troll and piss on people because they made informed purchase decisions. You have no place telling other people what to do.

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For reference, here is puremind's post in which he openly flame baits:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40911833&postcount=91

"Last edited by puremind; Yesterday at 06:41 AM."

Message before the edit:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40912140&postcount=93

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[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
Isn't there a brightness toggle inside the browser? Did you make sure to put that to max brightness?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jvilla785:
honestly i love how people love the aluminum case of the one and iphone5 and cover it up with a case or sticker. gs4 don't need such a thing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
There is also a backround color option under, i believe, my device. It lets you change the backround color. Not sure if it works on all screens. But, could check and see if it is on white. Although, I think that is just the way it is. Looked that way on all videos I have seen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Plastic?, LOL
[Galaxy S 4 General] 00mred00:
There has been in the past but I couldn't find it. I will look again.

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I case every phone I get, mostly to protect the value of it when I go to sell it later
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
So you simply void the aluminum point for the HTC one :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] silversun92:
Your case makes your HTC One looks cheaper than S4, lol :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] 00mred00:
That's not my one :)

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Not sure what I will do on the one...but after seeing iPhone 5s and evo lte bend I don't put much faith in the durability of the aluminum. The same can be said for stress fractures on the note, note 2 and s3 unfortunately
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Sunlight comparisson:

http://blog.laptopmag.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-screen-outdoor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUswj7SH3k

Not bad for an AMOLED, but its still not even close to a good LCD
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The s4 was on auto brightness right? Since in auto brightness it can get up to 30% brighter according to displaymate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
In the comments of the video the guy wrote:

Automode was much worse.

Maybe the display was throttling? :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Maybe :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Auto mode was much worse? That's not possible is it? I mean plenty of people reported increased brightness in auto IIRC.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Of course its possible. Automode wont push the brightness up the whole time. The devices were in the sun and heated up.

Brian Klug (anandtech) mentioned that his sgs4s display was throttling just by laying around on a table. He struggeled to get a good display measurement without throttling.
[Galaxy S 4 General] schrickm5:
Well that was an amusing thread, always like to read a good heated discussion on phones. I'd say only one side of it was intelligent though.:D

OP - hope you get the chance to feel both phones in your hand before you decide, if you haven't already - Good luck!
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Yeah fair enough. Software limitations should get fixed, but the overheating/throttling issues are a bit worrying.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
This is what I've come to believe as I research, the only two things stopping me buying the s4 now is 16gb and data/downloads storage that won't work off SD card and the thought of the rugged s4 coming out in a few months but I can get my own nano coating for 30/50 quid so I suppose that's moot.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nadalzeal:
I really like HTC One but I am getting S4 due to these reasons:

1. Easy to fix, it's for a long term smartphone (One: Mbenz | S4: Toyota, more available parts)

2. Removable battery. (removing battery is the first and basic thing to do when your phone freezes)

3. Black in AMOLED is 0% power consumption = more battery life

4. 13MP = more details (HTC One captures better on moving objects and low light)

5. More compact
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
See this is why you're wrong, not the trolling, PLASTIC isn't disgusting and simply being aluminium isn't premium, it's aluminium not gold, plastic is efficient flexible and shock absorbing, easy to replace, repair or customise, the one would make a better cosh in a shtf situation I'll give it that:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Gonna go play with them again today--

But, haven't seen any posts by owners of HTC One or folks who have played with it regarding only 4 usable homescreens. I know that is assuming you don't want to root/flash custom rom or use another launcher just to get back to five. Maybe most don't use homescreens that much anymore. Just use them for widgets and app drawer for apps. I like to fill them up with my most used apps. Just preference.

Also, with only two buttons the Home will get at least double usage and could be suspect to early wear. However, if it is not a physical switch it may not matter.

These are only thoughts, as I haven't decided which way to go and have owned two previous HTC phones--
[Galaxy S 4 General] PaulGG:
I am with you on this, tried the S4 because my wife wanted to upgrade from the S3 which she loves. I have the Note 2 and its amazing,

the first phone I have not stuck with a custom Rom, stock is so good. I am waiting for the Note 3 and have told the misses to do the same.

As for the One, looks like the One x revisited, non functioning keys etc. After owning HTC for 10 years moved from the One x to an S3, (now the wife's), then to a Note 2.

The S3 and the Note2 have brought Android past IOS, in fact my Note 2 leaves my Google Nexus 7 at the starting blocks.

Great build on the One, but non removable battery, software thats alway not quite there, and no micro SD card, no brainer, plus lets see

how many One owners hide their phone in a case, just like iphone owners. My Note 2 lives in a pouch and is in my hand when I use it, so far its been super durable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Moandal:
If you like a bigger, heavier phone with a smaller display and smaller non-removable battery, think three buttons is at least one too many and hate the idea of being able to expand the storage, go for the HTC One every time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Love how Note users hijacked the thread (myself included) - hellz yeah Note II! :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
No need to convince anyone. Get what you want, not what others tell you to. People here are educated enough to make such a small decision by themselves. Both phones are equally good with different advantages.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hello00:
if u let us decide what kind of girl u want in ur life let us know too
[Galaxy S 4 General] durandetto:
Too late for that, I'm already married. I had some hands on with both at the sprint store yesterday, but you can't really get a feel for them with the damn tethers on them. I am mechanic so my phones are almost always in an otterbox. On the weekends I usually put some sort of tpu case on it, so the build materials aren't as big of a deciding factor for me. Its just gonna be getting used to a different UI, because I've had sense since it's birth. I've changed to asop roms, but always go back to sense. I might just get the s4 and spend a couple weeks with it and return it if I can't get used to tw.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
If sense is your thing then get the One, but to me touchwiz is really king. It has so much to offer especially for someone like me that gets bored real fast with phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] durandetto:
I get bored too, that's why I'm always wanting a new phone every year. That's also why I'm considering the s4. Different rooting process, completely different UI.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
2. When the phone freezes you press the power button for 10 secs, it is the right thing to do but the HTC One and S4 shouldn't freeze (the HTC One doesn't)

3. OLED is more efficient for darker content only (dark brackground, black menus). For regular content (videos, browsing, GPS navigation, Whatsapp or SMS), it is much less efficient than backlit LCD. On a smartphone overall LCD is more efficient (web browsing and video battery tests, where the HTC One is superior or equivalent in spite of a smaller capacity battery)

5. Both phones have same proportions, the HTC One just makes room for incredible stereo speakers, so is a bit longer. :cyclops:
[Galaxy S 4 General] mightyox:
When you mention incredible, it bought back memory of the HTC Incredible S. What can I say, the HTC Incredible S was the worst Android phone I ever had, they should have called it HTC Incredible Sh*t. Sticking with Samsung as their phones appears to be better built. No issues with S2 and now loving the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
While what you describe is true in absolute terms, in real life this doesn't translate into any inconvenience because the differences you mentioned are marginal and below or well below the perception threshold (15% in perceptual psychology). In real life, the HTC One fits in your hand perfectly and because of the 10g extra weight feels comfortable to hold. It is not going to break your shoulder!!

Regarding the buttons, I don't know if you are aware, but custom ROM'S have activated the HTC logo as a third button, so there is now a menu button. :)

Also, it is not we dislike the idea of extra storage (although personally I don't need over 64MB), it is just that we can use MicroUSB OTG storage that is smaller than a cent coin if we ever need to bring more content.

But you're right on one point, I hate to have to remove my battery. Even if I had the S4, I would charge my phone every night so I don't have to remove my battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
If I had the HTC One I would

HATE

not being able to easily swap my battery like I could with the S4.

You mean if I'm out for a good amount of the day I need to live in fear and either limit the productivity my phone could provide me or be super glued to a wall outlet instead of simply having an small spare in my pocket ready to double my battery life? Sounds like a crappy proposition to me.

You also mean in a years time my battery will only hold 80 - 85% of what it once could and continue to go down further? Especially when I'm already having trouble making it through a full day as is. What happens when it only eventually only holds 50% of what it once could? :eek:

Both problems compound one another and make the HTC One (and any other sealed battery phone) a terrible proposition.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
2. Most likely both won't freeze, but in the unlikely event that they do, sometimes they won't respond. And they do freeze, and here's one case where such incident happened:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40637621&postcount=18

It would be extremely handy to have that option, but that's not why I need removable battery, for the record. You could always wait it to die on it's own and boot later into recovery.

3. Not necessarily re: the "regular" use. What makes you think that it's less efficient in videos etc? Videos are were AMOLEDs shine, and they suck (compared to LCD) at regular browsing since almost all sites use white background. But overall, AMOLEDs inch ahead unless you're using like 80% of our screen on time on browsing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
No, the HTC One has battery protection activated. Which is why it charges 30min slower than the S4, but it will protect the battery. The phone does not require you to be glued to a power source at all (seeing as stock battery performance is great), and if you needed one, you can bring a portable one with you. It has the advantage is that it can be charged off the same power cable while it charges the phone.

So how will you charge your extra battery on the S4? Charge one battery, take it off, plug the other one in, charge it? With an external battery you can put it on charge WHILE it is charging the phone, so no need to swap anything, you can leave both the phone and external battery charging at night using one and the same power cable. You should really consider avoiding the hassle of a replaceable internal battery.