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[Galaxy S 4 General] jmath679:
Funny, it seems that I referenced an issue that a battery pull fixed on a phone purchased in 2011. I have a friend who owned a razr maxx who on multiple occasions had to wait for his phone to die because it froze up and the power button was not responsive. Another 2011 phone there.

Dropbox is fine and well, but I prefer the convenience of keeping them on the SD. You can call me 2008 for that as I am totally resisting the push to cloud in most areas.

Additionally, I do store music and video on the SD which is a more common use for it, I just to view that as intrinsically valuable.

It boils down to me creating a mental check list for any new phone purchase which will always include those two elements as long as they are still available, in addition to the most current hw specs. It seems that the top tier manufacturers are finally understanding that having the bleeding edge hw is the baseline for most consumers and the only way they can make their phones stand out is through sw bling and physical bling in the form factor.

I prefer the software bling available in the s4 over the form of the one once you get past my 2 original gripes. As the market stands right now, any phone I buy is about what it can DO, not what it feels like when I hold it. I use a case anyway. We will see if the future changes that though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Agreed. Also most phones have a Synch manager (HTC Synch Manager, Smart Synch) which allows to transfer all of the old phone's setting, contacts, pictures and videos to the new phone, without even the need to use the cloud.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jmath679:
I was not referring to total power button failure, only temporary non responsiveness due to a really solid sw freeze.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
I agree with this, the S4 does have more features than the HTC One and thats why I prefer it.

Alot of people find the gesture features gimmicky some are but there are ones that are very good and useful if not cool.

When I showed my family/friends the HTC One they weren't so keen on it, especially the HTC logo on the front. In terms of features they were like so what tricks has it got apart from zoe features?, where as the gesture features on the s4, plus dual camera mode, sound and shot and other things has them wanting a s4, they also think the S4 looks nicer and I agree
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what I've learned about XDA'rs. They don't always care about the same things equally. When the SGS4 was announced with a 5" display following the DNA/Butterfly and XZ which had one I thought for sure people would be put off by the One's circa-2012 4.7" display. It's hardly ever mentioned which means I was way wrong. When Sense 5 turned out to have even fewer features than earlier versions and the SGS4 added even more in TW I thought people here would care. They don't for the most part so I was wrong again.

There will be 1.2B smartphones and tablets sold in 2013. There are 5MM XDA members. Triple it for lurkers and that's 15MM people that you could call "enthusiasts." That means we represent 1/100 of a percent of smart device buyers. Non-enthusiasts will buy 80MM SGS4's in 2013 if Samsung's projections are correct. That's in spite of being "plastic," loaded with s/w features that leave 8GB of storage free, an unoriginal design, running hotter, and having a dimmer display than the best LCDs. So whether it's marketing, expandable storage, removable batteries, brand loyalty, brand cache, TouchWiz, a circus tent full of features, or something else, Samsung's formula works and has earned them a leadership position. HTC on the other hand has tried to defy convention since the hinged keyboard of the Desire Z. So the One's made of aluminum, has a 4MP camera, two control buttons, fewer features, dual forward facing speakers, Zoe, BlinkFeed, fixed storage, and a non-removable battery. HTC's sales goal for the One is 20MM in 2013. Whether what Samsung and HTC chose to include in their flagships were the right decisions won't be decided here on XDA. That will be decided by the masses when they say "I'll take that one" when in a wireless store. And if we, the 1/100 of a percent of shoppers, can't agree on what's important the odds of us figuring out what motivates the masses are pretty slim even if their choices seem illogical to us. In other words if they like removable batteries us talking about how unimportant they are isn't going to make a bit of difference. Same thing for LCD vs. AMOLED, s/w features, and expandable storage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Here is a qualitative review of sun legibility to illustrate the measurements I have taken.

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-screen-display-comparison-212438/

I thought the article is very well done and avoids being biased towards one or the other technology.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's kind of amateurish. The conclusion has some things that we know objectively from lab testing are just plain wrong.

Conclusion

The displays on both the Galaxy S4 and HTC One are amazing. On the basis of screen and display alone, I find it hard to take sides. Based on this comparison, the following positive points can be ascribed to each phone:

Galaxy S4 pros

•richer contrast and deeper blacks

•wider viewing angle

•generally brighter, with saturated colors (the SGS4 isn't brighter than the One)

•various Screen Modes

HTC One pros

•whiter whites

•more realistic colors

•sharper display (maybe under a mircoscope, but with their respective PPI no one is going to see a pixel with the naked eye)

•reflects less light (the SGS4 has less reflectance than the One)

This is spot on...

The displays on both the Galaxy S4 and HTC One are amazing. On the basis of screen and display alone, I find it hard to take sides.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Truth, but: The One´s display is sharper. That was the first thing that popped in my eyes as i tested the s4. The font was slightly blurred in comparisson
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
From DisplayMate...

400+ Pixels Per Inch Displays

Apple started a major revolution in display marketing by introducing their “Retina Display” with

326 Pixels Per Inch (PPI)

on the iPhone 4 in 2010. While not equivalent to the resolution of the human retina,

people with 20/20 Vision cannot resolve the individual pixels when the display is held at normal viewing distances of 10.5 inches or more

. It started a display PPI and Mega Pixel war similar to what happened with Smartphone digital cameras, which is still an ongoing wild goose chase now into the stratosphere… Hopefully the same thing won’t happen with mobile displays because there are tradeoffs involved that affect other important display performance issues. The real question is how high do we need to go before reaching a practical visual PPI limit? I’ll cover this in an upcoming article. However, a new generation of 400+ PPI displays is already here, driven by the desire to produce a Full HD 1920x1080 display on a Smartphone screen.

The Galaxy S4 has an incredible 441 Pixels Per Inch. People with 20/20 Vision cannot resolve the individual pixels on a 441 PPI display for viewing distances of 7.8 inches or more, which is exceedingly close for viewing a 5.0 inch display.

PenTile Displays

The pixels on most current OLED displays have only 2 sub-pixels in each pixel instead of the standard 3 Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels found in most other displays and display technologies. Half of the PenTile pixels have Green and Red sub-pixels and the other half have Green and Blue sub-pixels, so Red and Blue are always shared by two adjacent pixels. This makes PenTile displays easier to manufacture and at a lower cost. It also improves brightness and reduces aging effects. Because the eye has lower visual acuity for color this works very well for photographic and video images. But

for digitally generated fine text and graphics with precise pixel layouts the eye can visually detect the reduced number of Red and Blue sub-pixels unless the number of Red and Blue Sub-Pixels Per Inch is very high. And it is for the Galaxy S4 – there are 312 Red and Blue Sub-Pixels Per Inch, which is only a few percent lower than Apple’s Benchmark 326 PPI iPhone Retina Display. Visually the Galaxy S4 PenTile display delivers excellent visual sharpness across the board.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
[Galaxy S 4 General] @home:
I have both units & I'm not really sure that the S4 is better than the HTC One - I've turned loads of stuff off but the lag is still there & a nightmare....None at all on the One
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I don't think a real life experience could be called more amateurish than a lab measurement. They complement each other and add value in a different way (though I missed the part on the brightness - they seem to have mistyped this). Also as you point out yourself, their conclusion is spot on as they make the point that each screen has got its own set of advantages and the best fit is an individual decision that will depend on an individual's usage patterns.

The difference in sharpness can be seen easily on photos and videos but not on text for some reason (probably because the pentile arrangement is not relevant for grescales. As with Octacores that aren't Octacores, their 441ppi is not for all color channels because of the pentile arrangement. Do I see a difference vs. the HTC One? Yes. Does it bother me? Not really.

The HTC One, like the iPhone 5 has lower reflectance than the S4. The displaymate comparison was between S4 and HTC desire if I remember correctly. This is also confirmed by empirical observation.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
The S4 is not bad in terms of sharpness. But if you are used to a 1080p lcd and you´ve good eyes: You´ll probably see the litte blur.

The S4 is a big jump in sharpness for an amoled if you compare it to (for example) an One S (gets the price for the worst amoled 2012) and a S3.

They should go for a RGB Matrix (yes, i know, aging and price...)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Agree. Pretty much everything lags. Waking up the device, opening menus, scrolling web pages in a browser, typing text in a browser...This is an annoyance. I haven't yet installed a different launcher, though. Have you tried this and does it really solve the issues?

Edit: just installed Nova Launcher and doesn't seem much better. Animations are not fluid. Phone application lags.

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Yes, they should, but no big deal. I just can't wait for recalibrated whites...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gemini002:
Lol ya they said where is the dual camera mode:rolleyes:

For the gimmicks S4 wins hands down..it's a touch screen phone I'm I so lazy that I need to wave to it or open my eyes wide and look down to scroll? The only benefit I see is the camera but the ones camera after the update is awesome 50% better ..the Ui is horrible on the s4 ...yes the sd is awesome I wish we had but drop box gives you 25 gigs with each purchase so meh .The One also comes in 32 or 64 gigs more than enough...
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Blah blah blah blah blah, same old song.

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Yes. I like the fact that the S4 has a bigger screen and more features ( gimmicky or not). What I don't like is the lag. Hopefully Sammy will take care of this very soon.

But id like to touch on the features for a sec, many called them gimmicky without actually thinking but just say it cause hat's what people around the internet are saying so lets look at them. Useful features are meant to make things easier and add functionality for the best. IMHO, the S4 only has a couple of features that are definitely gimmicky, I find everything else quite useful ( when needed).

Smart stay: Definitely useful to me, no need to have to touch the screen every few minutes to make sure it stays awake. All you have to do is stare at the screen when you do so, its more likely that you're using the phone :victory:

Multiwindow: definitely useful, better multitasking never hurts.

Airview: Absolutely useful to me. Works just like the mouse cursor on the computer. When you need to enter sub menus in the browser, using your finger can be annoying cause it isn't precise and most of the time you hit the wrong thing. Airview definitely helps and makes things a bit easier ( to me of course). Also the ability to preview your emails from the inbox without having to enter each one individually and then exit and reenter another one. Very good.

S-health: Come on now, this can definitely be useful for those that work out. Really rich. I can see a lot of folks using it.

S-translator: Again very useful when you need it, works pretty well.

Group play: A feature that can be very nice when other galaxy s 4s are around.

Air gestures: Yes and no. I find it very useful when you want to move an icon on a different home screen, just hold the icon, wave your hand over the screen to move around the pages and then drop the icon. Definitely better than the usual hold and then go to the edge of the screen ( which is sometimes frustrating). Also when the phone screen is off and you just wanna see if you have any notifications, missed calls or anything else, just wave your hand over the screen and it shows you what you missed, time and all that. Great. Everything else is kinda gimmicky ( again in my opinion) as far as scrolling up and down the page by waving your hand, its just easier to use your finger.

Smart pause: Definitely a gimmick. Nothing else to say.

Smart scroll: Gimmicky as hell but kinda cool to show off :)

Then there are many others like smart alert, direct call, S beam, swiping your hand over the screen to take a screenshot ( which is a million time easier than having to hold 3 buttons awkwardly ) and all of the camera features.

So many features I cant name them all but the S4 has many useful features that folks can use in the right situation and best of it all? Turn them sh*t off if you don't need them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Than what? A One owner started this thread today and posted this post-update pic.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2289436

Looks the same as these two pre-update pics.

And not much different than these One X pics.

Even Brian from AnandTech who gushed over the One's camera pointed out the "oil painting" look.

There’s still some visible noise reduction at work here which doesn’t make sense since this image was taken at ISO 101. In fact that’s my one big overriding thought about the HTC One by default, there’s a strange combination of noise reduction and sharpening going on at some times, and at first I thought this was overly aggressive JPEG compression, until I learned this is set at 95-percent quality. It is definitely noticeable in the homogenous color regions and textures which there are a lot of in the lights on test photo.

I still can’t shake the impression that HTC has some JPEG artifacts which accentuate the noise in these relatively homogenous regions as well. Apple seems to reflect the kind of tuning I would find myself wanting the most – minimal noise reduction in-camera, encode the noise out, and don’t risk losing any detail. HTC seems to go for more aggressive noise reduction which occasionally leaves that oil painting look.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
A bunch of us recently came out of the closet as "feature lovers" which, on XDA, is considered blasphemy when the comparatively barren AOSP is the Holy Grail. I wonder how many people have actually tried the features they are ridiculing. But then again I wonder how many people use their phone's for anything other than benchmarking and to check for lag.

Here's an excellent example I've never even heard mentioned. AllShare Play was completely re-thought and is now Samsung Link. It's now a true peer-to-peer network that allows your (Samsung) mobile devices and other smart devices to share files - even over 3G. From my PC I can post photos from my N2 or Note 10.1 to social, can move files to or from them from any device registered, and play content from any registered device on any registered device. That's a cool feature.

Here are some screen shots from the device...

Here are some screen shots from a PC...

And here's another ignored feature. "Find my Mobile" lets you do what the name implies but also all the other functions listed in the left hand column.

I use KiesAir constantly. It allows you to use your PC to send and receive MMS and reject incoming calls. When I'm at my desk I use my PC with its real keyboard to manage my messages.

Hover is also fantastic. You can explode content by just "hovering" over it (with your finger on the SGS4). If there's a notification on the lock screen hovering over it explodes the message without having to unlock the device. You can also use drop down menus in the browser which can save multiple page opens to drill down which is what you have to do on other devices.

I'm not trying to convert AOSP fans by any stretch but to just write off all Samsung's features as "gimmicks" without taking the time to use and explore them is kind of a shame.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yep, we both pretty much agree although I wouldn't have used the term " coming out of the closet" lol. But yeah, I constantly used airview when I had the note 2, it really makes navigating throughout the UI much easier. Many features are plenty useful and most of the folks calling them gimmicky either never used them or are just haters. The S4 has so many features that are useful.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Disabled S voice on the homekey and set your animations to 0.5 or so?

I get some occasions where it stutters, but it's generally in Dolphin or the stock browser, and very very infrequent. The menus are buttery smooth.

And I have air view, wifi, mobile data, screen rotation, sync and multiwindow enabled, plus a push mail account.

Thats with TW btw.

About "gimmicks":

Air view is great and I use it constantly.

Air gestures are less useful, but when testing it for a week I found myself using the scrolling quite a bit in the stock browser. Usually because of the stock browser having a tendency to slide left/right when sliding with my finger in a zoomed in part of a website, like reading a column of text. Generally not that useful ime.

Eye tracking is just not there yet. I tried the scrolling and while it works it just isn't useful. Its more of a bother and a timewaster than it helps out.

What else is considered gimmicky... Multiwindow? I like multiwindow. I can't wait for it to be opened up for more of my apps though. Like dolphin.

The of course the main thing that's been interesting lately is the s4 nexus, which makes it seem probable that we will see a stock experience on our non-nexus s4 phones shortly if we so choose.

Iunno.

I like the s4 over the One mostly due to design reasons. They seem quite evenly matched in terms of hw.

If the One had a great design and the s4 had a bad design, I'd own a One instead, I'm sure.
[Galaxy S 4 General] @home:
I already did "Disabled S voice on the homekey and set your animations to 0.5 or so" I set mine animations to off - Still a bit of lag
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Hmm, I think the so-called "features" are for the most part nothing more than an aggregation of rebranded/repackaged apps from Google Play.

Smart-Stay --> SmartStay / EyeSpy

Multiwindow --> Multiscreen Multitasking

S-health --> StepCounter and countless others (Hygrometer sensor is nice, though)

S-Voice --> Voice-Commands

S-translator --> Voice Translator

S Beam --> Send! File Transfer (NFC)

The only features for which (to my kowledge) there is no decent equivalent are:

Dual Camera (though wouldn't be surprised if this became available in third party apps soon).

Airview/Air Gestures

Group play[/B]

Smart Pause/Scroll --> but works only in standard apps

It is nice of Samsung to have conducted research on useful apps from the market, but I don't think most would qualify as true "features".
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The fact is people don't want to be bothered and look in the play store for apps that do this kind of things.

Of course almost every feature hav an alternative in the play store but the native apps most of the time works better due to the integration to the system.

I think my point is valid since all the apps you provided in your post aren't very popular opposed to Samsung's devices which sell more than 50 million for a flagship every year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
But these features you talk about being available on the play store, do they work as good as the S-features? Also these features are part of touchwiz and most can work together for example you can use air view in multiwindow. Cant do that when you download those things from the playstore....

And I totally disagree when you say they are "nothing more than rebranded, repackaged apps from google play". Again, the fact that ythey can be use together and are part of the same ecosystem ( touchwiz) makes them unique. I think you're trying to discredit Samsung here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
Do you work for Samsung :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Come out of the closet and get a damn S4 ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
LMAO! I don't but I like to give credit where credit is due! My HTC One is out for delivery, i'm home waiting for it. Should be here in an hour or so. I have one person who wants to trade with an S4, the other with an Optimus G pro. We'll see what happens :victory:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
I think you will like the One, overall user xperience is good as i read and NO LAGS. It takes Samsung at least 2 or 3 updates to get the S4 running as it should ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] tclocki:
I'm so looking forward to baron's post re: his HTC one order.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
I'm not even sure if he's serious or just trolling. I've tried that Multiscreen Multiwindow crap - and if someone claims that it's anywhere remotely as functional as TWiz multitasking, ROFL.

I haven't tried the rest of the apps he's mentioned so won't comment on them. But looking at the ratings some of them have, I'm betting on most of them being crap too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Airview doesn't exist in the market to start with, so you can't combine it. Also many samsung features (e.g. SmartPause, EyeScrolling) don't work with third party apps, so that restricts their usefulness.

Personally I would prefer if these features were less entangled in the OS experience and more open to work with third party applications. I think it is nice that you have toggles to activate each feature, though. Also as I said, I find it nice that Samsung has taken the time to find those useful apps for us, as it saves each of us time to look for them.

Still, I don't think it is what is keeping anyone from buying the HTC One...
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I know airview isn't available on the playstore and that was my point.....every features is well combined within touchwiz.

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Just received it 15 min ago. It blew me away seriously. What a thing of beauty. Obviously i'm also excited but ill use it the next few days and give a feedback ( if you guys don't mind of course, after all this is an S4 forum and i'm still a Samsung guy :) ).
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
I have known Baron for a while now and he had a lot of phones (as did i) and you can agree or disagree with his opinion, but calling him a troll is just stupid and uncalled for. And what mentaly sane person needs a thread anyway to decide what phone to buy, make up your own mind mate :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
If you're referring to my post - I was agreeing with Baron FYI. I was referring to Puremind's post - and didn't call him a troll - I said "not sure if he's trolling".
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
Oke, didn`t follow the whole thread. My bad bro :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Thanks both you guys lol. Lets talk about the S4 :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
Off topic (just once). Are you going to flash ARHD on the One? Mike is going to build a rom for the I9505 too :)