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[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Thats nice.

Personally I think the One looks... plain and unattractive. Its not ugly, per se, but just... bland. Reminds me of the pre-N95 era of smartphones. Like the N70 or so.

I seriously doubt that the UI of the S4 is slower, but that might just be because of my device contra whichever version you were testing. Havent tested a HTC One extensively, so cant really say anything for sure, but my S4 is fast as all hells. Of course there was the S-Voice homekey delay which promptly got shut down, but thats about it.

So while you may think the One looks superior and of high quality, I think the S4 is by far the more attractive device. Far better design, better balance, and so forth.

While tests show some ground gained by the One and some by the S4 in terms of benchmarking and batterylife and camera and so forth and so on, it really doesnt make that big of a difference.

The main difference is really "which phone do I think look the best".

So OP: just get whichever, youre not going to regret either choice, unless of course you get a faulty HTC unit, but they give you a new one quite fast from what Ive read.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Well said, but u can also get a bad samsung unit ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Yes of course, but the frequency seems higher with the HTC One from what Ive gathered. The S4 flaws are things like the wifi problem which is solveable, and the potential if-you-own-the-device-for-several-years problem of the screen "metal" thing being noticeable right in front of the powerbutton, and some headphones not working on volume 11.

The HTC problems are more of the illfitting form type, actual physical problems.

I might be wrong, but thats what it seems like from what Ive read from users at least :) .

Either way, HTC fixes that quite fast apparently, with exchanging devices for those who have problems etc, so all in all not a big problem either way.
[Galaxy S 4 General] GTRagnarok:
4 > One

/thread
[Galaxy S 4 General] ZordaK_:
I buyed the s4 because for me battery life is the bigger factor, plus big screen + sd card.

The only disadvantages vs the one (for me) are the sound and the body of the phone.

Anyway the new one is a great phone too :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
One more reason is S4 Google Edition :D :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Poor HTC. "I hate TW and bloat," "I can't believe the bootloader is locked," and "I can't believe there's only 8.5GB of user available storage" were three things that could have swayed people toward the One. Not any more. And the SGS4 GE will be the first device supported by Google with LTE, expandable storage, and a removable battery. Between 16GB/32GB/64GB i9500/i9505 versions along with the SGS4 Activ (for the clumsy) and SGS4 Zoom (for photophiles) and now the SGS4 GE for purists there's pretty much a SGS4 for everyone. I guess that's how world domination goes. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] tclocki:
People forget as well that the HTC1 uses roughly 1 gb less of bloatware space than the S4. Funny how they bring it up as if HTC1 was only using a couple of gigs from its internal memory.
[Galaxy S 4 General] p4j1:
S4 and pure Android, that is all.:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
Yep, a dream come true:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Yes, lags will be gone. :)

Will we get the extra apps though? Health app, S Voice, etc...? I am liking S Voice, I can set the alarm more easily than through the touch screen.!
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Maybe not

http://androidandme.com/2013/05/new...ign=htc-employee-teases-stock-android-htc-one
[Galaxy S 4 General] muhamet:
Unlock bootloader first pleas
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
So much for that. ;)

Update: Jeff Gordon of HTC just sent us the following message, “HTC is not currently planning a ‘Nexus Edition’ of the HTC One.”​

And HTC's "hipsters" berating competitors is getting kind of old. The "plastic" phone has already hit half of the One's target sales for all of 2013 in less than a month. And all of HTC's past and present phones other than the One are still plastic too. Do all these tweets from HTC'rs about plastic mean people shouldn't buy them and those that did are stupid?
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
no those part of TW
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Actually the link I posted was newer than the one you are referencing. So who knows.

Anyways I wouldn't let negative s4 comments get to you. Obviously Samsung is selling a record number of phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
What I quoted has been added to be the bottom of the story you linked. I'm in marketing and the bashing of competitors bothers me. Partly because statistically it has the opposite effect of what's intended and makes people think less of the "bashor" rather than thinking negatively about the "bashee" as intended. Samsung's just as bad as their "see how stupid iPhone owners are and how inadequate the device itself is" commercials aren't doing them any favors with the majority of iPhone fans. But dynamite probably wouldn't make those folks switch anyone and at least the bashing is done tongue in cheek. Making people feel stupid about a past or present loyalty isn't the way to get them to come over to your side. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Yeah I actually am pro Google. I have had my faith restored in htc though with the one. Anyways Google is a great model for how to run a large business. Not like the greedy c+nts I work for.

And I just think that the link I provided muddles the statement made by htc. They also said no verizon one was coming and I'm pretty sure that it is.

Edit : also I remember when it was the android platform playing underdog to ios and there wasn't this Samsung versus htc war going on. Really it isn't my job to promote Samsung or htc. I don't work for either company. I support Google because I belive in what they do.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Its actually 6 million Barry so more than half. But I understand HTC, they are desperate ( and I don't mean in it a negative way). Samsung doesn't show any signs of slow down, obviously, so HTC needs to do whatever they can to attempt to compete with Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Actually it is 4 million. Over five would have eclipsed apples record. And they have shipped 4 million. Still an impressive number.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Many sites are reporting 6 million

http://www.phonedog.com/2013/05/15/...s-4-shipments-have-surpassed-6-million-units/

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-says-it-s-already-shipped-6-million-galaxy-s4s
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Actually we're all sort of right. I was just two weeks ahead. ;)

Fortuitous news from the Samsung camp today as an exec has claimed that

six million Samsung Galaxy S4s were sold by 10 May

.

The Samsung Galaxy S4 technically hit the market on April 26 2013, and

four million handsets were shipped to supply chains by the end of the month [April]

- although presumably Samsung began shipping the handset to retailers ahead of that date.

Who knows if anyone at Samsung could have foretold that the S4 would break the internal records set by the Galaxy S3 which hit three million shipments in, conveniently, three weeks.

The chatty exec went on to force the point, telling Korean paper Chosun that "As of Friday [May 10], we have sold more than 6 million units, and we predict that we

could break the 10-million mark by as early as the end of this month

."​

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...alaxy-s4-already-hits-6-million-sales-1151486
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Have to wait for official results. Either way they are selling a sh#t load
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Quick OT alert guys: Hey dude, is that the DNA you're using? If yes how is the battery life on that thing?
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
And Samsung world domination would be good for.... :rolleyes:

Samsung marketing?

You'd think so by the way you constantly run HTC/the one down. Dude you gotta get a grip, it's real, the HTC one is a good phone, just as worthy of being a flagship device as the Samsung. And HTC design some great phones, it's ok! Samsung do too!

Don't be afraid of competition, embrace it, it's good for us all as consumers.

They are all as bad as eachother, they dont give a **** about you, only your dollars. So why all the adoration? You of all people seeing as your in marketing should understand better than most.

Op the s4 isn't better than the one, choose one, order online then return it if you don't like and get the other, hassle I know but only logical solution as you cantb decide and we all like different things.:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I think the Samsung advert with the disappointed Apple users still queuing to get the new iPhone, which they fully well knew would not get them up to speed with Samsung, was very well done.

It didn't bash the users themselves or made them feel stupid. It gave them a choice to make a smart move and leave a sinking ship. It said: "Apple abandonned you, come to us if you want to be on the hip side of the fence". Also it presented the Samsung users as young, humble, secure about themselves and charitable (keeping spot for the parents).

If there is one thing that Apple users hate, is to feel like they are not in it to shine and Samsung gave them an alternative to feel hip and smart again. I think it was quite a subdued way of bashing Apple without making the Apple user feel insulted: they had a choice to move on. It was a helping hand reached out to them.

HTC have been doing the same - they said they can't appeal to the masses the way "Samsung appears to be doing" and were happy to appeal to the fringe of consumers that want "the best technology wrapped in mouth-watering design". They played the part of the underdog trying to assert themselves against two heavyweights with infinitely deep pockets that have the means and ambition to appeal to the greater numbers.

That's why they are getting so much traction and sympathy from the press and end-users alike. Many felt that Samsung did not deliver on their promise to keep improving and deliver that premium feel to them.

I don't think HTC could win by trying to appeal to the masses the way Samsung did. They chose a more narrow positioning than Samsung targeting a market segment with whom their offering can resonnate rather than try and compete head to head with every feature and technology advance that Samsung had in stock. I think it was the most clever thing they could have done. They have completely obscured the fact that they do not have voice recognition features or air gestures, broke the MP myth and hurt Samsung on their weakness spot, i.e. the recycled design.

Which is exactly why i wished Samsung had given us more of that futuristic device we were heoping for. The phone has the features, and the ads are great, but they are missing a reskin for most of the interface to make the lif companion more like an AI android.

If we can push Samsung not to become complacent and improve on their weak points, I am all for it! To do that we need HTC to shine as much as possible because they are the only Android OEM that pushes Samsung on areas that they neglected.

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I think their gripe is not with the plastic but with the price for plastic, seeing as their own plastic phones sell for less, and even then they have Sense rather than Stock.

Having said that I still think that tweet is not worthy of an official communication...I think that HTC Employee may have misunderpreted Chou's call to become more agressive and went overboard with it...
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Yeah I have the dna and the one. Actually the one battery life is way better than the dna. Some of it is the rom I'm using. The development on the dna is a little weak and I never got around to doing a dna badseed rom.

Battery and 12 gb storage out of the box are my two main complaints.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Oh ok. Thanks man, was thinking of maybe getting it as a secondary phone. Anyways thanks!

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Both phones are great no doubt.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
[MENTION=307506]barry[/MENTION]. It's unbelievable that Chou still has his job. The one is a great phone. Truly the best smart phone I've ever had and amazing reviews. But look at what they have done to get to this point.

In any Western company he would have been let go by now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
I'm just surprised how many pro HTC people are in a Sammy thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I think that LG deserves the most credit between HTC, LG and Sony. They came from the G2X, optimus 4X, optimus 2 X to Optimus G, G Pro and nexus 4. and they are heading in the right direction. The fact that many android users including myself are seriously considering an LG flagship device over a Samsung or HTC says a lot, they have come a long way.

Not to say that HTC and Sony don't deserve no credit at all, they both do. Sony has introduced a good flagship with the Z ( minus the washed out screen) and they will build upon it. Next year they are going to be much better, I can guarantee you. HTC also deserves a lot of credit, they came back with the phone that has arguably the best design ever made on a phone, fast, great screen and now they have set a standard when it comes to speakers on a phone. Upcoming flagship devices will have to at least match it or best it.

But I agree with you Barry, HTC dug they own grave and they are the only one ( no pun intended) to blame for the misfortunes that happened to them since 2010. While they were screwing around with releases like the ABSOLUTE PURE GARBAGE HTC sensation, Samsung released the world acclaimed S2 and never looked back. That's why I find t funny for people to hate on Samsung when they did what they were supposed to do and then some.

OT: Check your pm Barry ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Iirc the components in the s4 are the most expensive in the world and the ill fitting alloy shell of the Ho is worth less than a dollar in metal, so why all the snobbery? HTC are a halfway decent phone maker who hope to sell millions of phones to the "masses"
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
And here's where I think one phone can change a company's fortunes.....if other elements go in their favour. The S2 was/is a great phone, and the sensation wasn't. The year before, the DHD was streets ahead of the Galaxy S and it's many problems. The year after, HTC were playing catch-up, (I still prefer the One X to the S3), but the damage was done.

In some ways Samsung was lucky, the S2 was streets ahead of any other phone at the time. It's highly unlikely that will happen again, but now that Samsung have the top spot, they won't let it slip the way HTC did.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Liked your comparison about s2. But on the s3 vs one x it's your opinion. One x was a complete fail and s3 it's still top.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Lucky or visionary? The Sensation and i9100 were both being worked on at the same time as replacements for the Desire(s) and i9000. Samsung took a big risk and took smartphones and Android to a whole new level. HTC cranked out "another" in a line of devices. HTC was caught with their pants down based on Samsung's over achievement. Samsung went bold based on the opportunity they saw and HTC phoned it in. But it wasn't just that, HTC's made many misteps. This is from another thread...

When you know your overlay is heavy, would it ever be a good idea to put 768KB of RAM in a device (Sensation)?

When your competitor offered 8/16GB of onboard storage last year (i9000) would you offer your next flagship with 4GB (Sensation)?

Can putting a 1,800mAh battery and as little as 11GB of non-expandable storage in a device ever be a good idea; especially in a "flagship?” (One X)

Is ignoring removable batteries and/or expandable storage, features offered by the market leader, all that sensible when you're trying to recover from previous failures (One X/One)?

When your competitors (who sell tons more phones than you do) are piling on the s/w features is it a good idea to ignore them and even take some existing ones away (scenes, themes, widgets) (One)?

Is it a good idea to offer a radical camera that provides 1/2 to 2/3 less detail than your competitors in the middle of a megapixel war when you're struggling to reclaim your former success? Especially if in testing the radical approach that cost you more to offer provides marginal benefit (One)?

How smart is it to announce launch dates when you aren't sure that some key components are going to be available to start production causing you to humiliate yourself publically by announcing a delayed and staggered new schedule (One)?

How smart is to ignore reparability so that your unique design requires additional repair costs for your customers as well as greatly increasing your own warranty repair costs (One)?

Is it smart to ignore emerging markets where you'd sell a ton of low/mid-end devices to focus all of your energy on a single flagship, a segment you haven't been competitive in since 2010 (HTC)?

I, the accused Samsung fanboi, bought the One X over the SGS3. Primarily for the display and design. 32GB of storage was fine (then) and I got by on the 1,800MAh battery which I knew was a sacrifice going in. I enjoyed my One X and don't regret buying it in the least.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I'm only saying that Samsung were lucky in the sense that their main competitor slipped up in a two horse race. There was nobody else there to challenge them.

If the S4 was an absolute dog of a phone, HTC wouldn't be the sole benefactor. A lot more top end phones going for a piece of the pie in 2013.....which can only be a good thing (well, except for HTC :p)
[Galaxy S 4 General] schrickm5:
Call me odd but....

I wouldn't buy an S4 just because Samsung are successful. I would buy an S4 because it appealed to my needs.

I bought the phone I did regardless of corporate ineptitudes/aptitude.

My point being you can go on and on and on about HTC's mismanagement and Samsung's success, but as a discerning technophile I couldn't give a rats @ss.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Not sure where you are getting your info on the xperia. There is no way in my opinion that phone will out sell the one. Especially if it goes to Verizon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I think it's because of the waterproof thing and expandable storage. Maybe the bigger screen or the minimal difference between s4pro to s600.

Maybe people prefer glass over aluminum.

There are many reasons it can be, don't forget that the SExperiaZ is available in a lot more countries from the beginning.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
Ummmmm its a Samsung forum and a S4 thread on what is better about the S4 so no point in trashing posters for doing just that
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
I have the one and s4 and i prefer the look and feel of the s4 but thats my opinion. looks wise samsung have changed enough on the s4 from the s3 for me, it is less rounded. the sides are straight and it is thinner and has less bezel. The s4 is the best looking phone right now, followed by the one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
You must have misunderstood my post. Who said to buy a phone based on the company success?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sparksltd:
Wow. Some deap stuff here. They are phones at the end of the day. Both are as good as each other but in different ways. No one can say one is better than the other, that's just an opinion. Buy the one that you prefer. Its the same with just about any product's.
[Galaxy S 4 General] PantsDownJedi:
The S4 has the number 4 in it. The One implies the number 1. 4 is greater than 1. In addition to that, there's no letters in the One, the S4 has "Galaxy" in the name which implies a very large scale though its obscure because we don't know if the One means something like 1 set of 12 galaxies or something like that, in which case the One would definitely be better. I guess in lack of knowledge on the last point, we just can't know for sure, at the end of the day. We also don't know what the letter S means, so that's an entirely new discussion. I guess it ends up being very obscure so I don't know what advice to give.

Don't forget to hit the Thanks button.
[Galaxy S 4 General] abubasim:
Can also be handy on the SGS4: internal 64GB card AND external 64GB card.

Both of course supporting exFAT. I travel a lot for work and watch full HD movies on the road. With exFAT I don't need to shrink or cut down those movie files that are bigger than 4GB before copying to the phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Yes, but having both phones i would have preferred 64GB internal storage to give more room for apps on the s4. I think 16GB is downright small, and what Barry would classify as "stupid".

You can't find the 32GB anywhere right now and 64GB is not even on the table. Sandisk 64GB costs 60 USD...OTG reader will cost around 40 USD for those who didn't back the project.

Samsung's 32GB is listed at 1000 USD.

I am not sure I am willing to mpay 100 USD more for extra storage. Either way, HTC is offering more value for my money in that department.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
You can't find the HTC one 32GB everywhere either. And yes, there are some places the s4 32GB version been sold.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Help me build the Samsung list of stupid moves. It is probably longer than the items that you quoted for the HTC One:

Recyle your Note 2 design when many better design drafts course the Internet and create expectations of truly mouth-watering design

Take the same processor as your competitor, overclock it and launch a device with lags to show how great you are at optimizing your devices

Create anticipation about your new flagship Octacore chip and then fail to make LTE work within the energy envelope of the device, so you end up not releasing it in most geographies

Keep back-facing speakers and move it down so it can be covered with your hand and you can't teleconference with your phone on a table

Release your device with a baseline configuration of 16GB when competitors offer 32Gb at their entry point

Increase battery life and then only manage to squeeze only just enough battery life to match competition with lower battery capacity

Market your Exynos processor as being more powerful and energy efficient and then rush the drivers so much that it ends up falling flat on its face

Sorry but this time around I think Samsung was king of the ridicule. As you admit yourself, their device was rushed and it should never had been allowed to be released with lags. It just doesn't fly to push the component envelope and then deliver such an underwhelming performance out of the box. We at xda know that these issues will be moot in a few months, but the general public is less than enthralled. I just read the user comments on Amazon and they are much less forgiving that we are here.

Don't get me wrong, they did some things right, like fitting 5" screen into a smaller frame and improving AMOLED screen calibration, but overall, this time around, I don't know why you could call Samsung clever and HTC stupid.

Samsung have only themselves to blame for the very subdued press acclaim.

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You mean you can't find the 64GB HTC either? Thanks for just proving the point! 32GB should be the entry point, Samsung kept it at 16GB. I don't think it is a smart move.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
No, I meant what I wrote, the HTC one is available only in a very few countries. So if you want to but the HTC one just because it comes with a basic 32GB version than you can wait the same amount of time until the 32GB s4 is coming in your country (in my country for example around June both 32GB HTC one and 32GB s4 are coming).
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
That argument is ridiculous. It is not only HTC that has 32GB at their entry point.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The fact is that this is not a deciding factor for since in my country (and I know in many other countries) we get the HTC one and the s4 32GB version at the same time.