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[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I think Aaron from phonedog said it best, its all about marketing and being available on different carriers and that is so true. The One and S4 are both great devices no question about it, but us the tech savys don't even represent 1% of the smartphone consumers. All the non tech people care about is names, brand recognition and all that. I have seen people that own the One ( non tech folks) and asked them what do they think about it, they say its a nice phone.....that's it, no mention of build quality, no mention of camera, not even the amazing speakers I swear. What they see advertised on tv, in malls and in retails stores is usually what they go for. All that other extra stuff is just for us to discuss. MARKETING and MULTIPLE CARRIER AVAILABILITY is all that matters.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I do exactly like you. I tend to use the S4 as my daily driver and and go and eat out at restaurants, because it feels good in the hand and has a the bigger, and the brightness indoor doesn't bother me.

Regarding battery life I can't really confirm, though. How long have you been using each device on battery? At first the S4 was discharging slowly, but since it has settled, it now discharges much faster (all sensing features deactivated).

At what brightness do you run it? Any power saving options? How did you run the HTC One?

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And yet you do not get to a state of multiple carrier availability by miracle out of nowhere. Those carriers that don't carry great devices have to suffer the cost. Ugliness that self-corrects - that's the beauty of capitalism.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
I've had the One for about 6 weeks, and the S4 for about 2 weeks. So both devices IMO have had enough time to settle in. I generally get about 20 hours and 5 hours on-screen time with the S4 (wanam rom + Andreilux kernel) versus 12 hours and 3 hours on-screen with the One. I am a heavy user so at least 1-2 hours phone calls/day, aqua mail pushing 2 emails accounts, gmail 2 email accounts, limited browsing, about 30 minutes gaming and maybe an hour of music.

On the S4 I run 100% brightness, adapt screen display and have auto adjust screen tone off (no powersaver mode).

On the One, I use the auto-brightness feature because it works so damn well (no powersaver mode).
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
True, that's why all the plastic bashing is pointless :)

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Right...who is everyone? What do you mean by they didn't do a great job?And when you say that, I cant help it but talk about sales. So let see if you're right about "everyone" thinking Samsung didn't do a good job when the S4 sales figures come out. After all, you even bought an S4 didn't you?

Before the S4 announcement, I said in a thread that if the S4 looks just like the S4 that we seen on the leak videos that I would be disappointed. But I forgot that Samsung is really about software and specs and when they did announce the S4 I was very impressed ( minus the presentation). The phone is a big upgrade in every way possible to the S3 who is no slouch at all. Ram, Gorilla glass, screen, Soc, features, thinness.... you know what I mean
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I think it comes down to how well adapted your earphones are to the whole chain. Because of the 2.55 Volt headphone jack amp on the HTC One sound fantastic with Beyerdynamic, while the S4 can't quite drive them.

If you need an expert view, I recomend the following podcast:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/14/engadget-mobile-podcast-173-03-14-13/

However Supercurio has confirmed support for the S4 for DisplayExpert, so there is a 99% probability that Voodoo sound will come to the S4 as well.Also look at this device for the S4:

http://v-moda.com/vamp/

I am really considering it.

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Brands are about something until they are not. Brands need to reinvent themselves. They can't keep to the same old regardless of competition.

I can understand why they went for same tried and test old, but that's certanily a point of disappointment. I don't mind the plastic, I think it feels good in the hand, but it does not feel very sturdy or innovative. it doesn't have the surprise/novelty/wow factor.

But to me, as I tried to explain, it is not where they failed most. The software is unfinished and the user experience and marketing message is not particularly well wrapped into the device. The performance issues are not acceptable, they shoot themselves in the foot for no reason.

Samsung not able to get it right is beyond odd. OK maybe not everyone expected them to do better, but I personally don't know anyone who thought they would mess up on their usual strong point!

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This is good info for me, as I have been trying to get a better feel of what my battery options are. Have you tried Faux's Kernel on the One? It is said to improve battery quite a bit.

Have you deactivated instant share options on the HTC One?

I haven't rooted my devices yet, analysing battery is my next step after screen. I think I do get 5 hours on the S4 but not at max brightness because mos tof what I do is web browsing and texting. What is your usage?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
I have tried just about every custom kernel for the One. Unfortunately though, HTC lopped off a good amount of information in their source code. For example, they left out in call earpiece coding. So kernel devs had to use code from an earlier source release. The problem with that is it reduced volume on the external speakers by a good amount (enough that it's really noticeable). Also, the sensitivity of the back and home button are degraded on custom kernels. Now the back button takes several touches (sometimes) to get it to respond.

I also did not see much of a battery life increase. None of the custom kernels I tried (including Faux's) had a good deep sleep ratio. Faux is an excellent developer and his kernel is quite new so it's really just the beginning. Over time battery life should improve but so will the S4's. I have already seen improvements in battery life with Perseus kernel.

Thanks to engadget link. Will check that out.

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It's a good listen but I want to see a direct comparison from an audiophile or anandtech pitting the HTC One versus the S4 I9500. At the time of that podcast they didn't have the S4 available. There is already a Mod for I9500 for Meltus which amplifies the levels of the S4 well beyond the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Brands don't need to reinvent themselves every year, ask apple.

Yes they did rush the software but I heard positive things about the latest software update and apparently it improved things significantly, lets not forget that the update came out quick. And we can be sure that Samsung is going to support the hell out of the S4 and iron out most if not all of the remaining "issues" so that is not a worry at all. They kinda messed up but they will make it right for sure. Everybody makes mistakes. IOS 6.1.1 was a battery drainer for the iphone 5, really bad. My friend was loosing a significant amount of juice on standby but apple fixed it. The IOS map is another example of something "rushed" but it will eventually be better, there's no other option.

One more thing, you gotta look at both Samsung and HTC's recent history to understand where they at now. The S3 has been an incredible success, in fact it still competes with the top phones out there. The One X overall was a disappointment so HTC had big room for improvement while Samsung only had to do better than the S3. Now that both of these devices are evenly great, let's see how both these OEMs respond next year with their own flagship devices. It's going to be epic to say the least.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
I think the whole thread is a waste of time and should be in the xda general section given its now just flaming and nothing much being achieved.

Suffice both are great phones and you choose the one that suits you best, no need to justify your purchase or go tribal and pick holes in another.

This competition is great for us consumers so why spoil it by bickering.
[Galaxy S 4 General] xologist:
Here it is.. You're welcome :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F0G5MUVO4s
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Damn hahashahahahha!
[Galaxy S 4 General] mettleh3d:
Like being unable to look away from a burning house or train wreck, I opened this thread against my better judgment. This sentence is all I needed to close the window.

Sent by the H1.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I know about this mod, but I don't think Software amp can achieve the same as voltage amp. Supercurio confirmed Voodoo sound for the S4, though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
I've never gotten less than 5 hours screen on time with the one and usually it's 6 hours.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
The HTC One may have BoomSound but that still can't compare to a dedicated portable speaker. I bought this for my galaxy nexus and it is amazing. So the lack of front facing speakers on the S4 is not a deal breaker for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
I like the one too. That shiz is mad sexy and smooth. But I bought the s4, and I'm extremely happy I did.
[Galaxy S 4 General] krabman:
Dont care about the speakers, I have never heard a phone speaker I have wanted to or would listen to music with and I'm pretty sure being not all that far from the grave that no advance will come along that will change that in my life time. On the other hand I've heard plenty that serve the purpose for putting a caller on speaker and that hoop jumped It will work for me. Let the speakers go and that leaves perceived build quality which I couldn't care less about because my phones go into cases every time without fail making my perceived build quality outside of the screen a matter of the overall level of Gucci my case possesses.

On the other hand my phone has now become my sole personal device. I need 41 gigs to get all my music, pictures, and miscellaneous on my phone. That means that the One is dead in the water just on that point. The other killer is that being able to change the battery means a lot to me because I have had several devices that became useless along with their battery.

Going back to the S4 mine hasn't arrived yet but I have no worries. My S3 is smoother than any iphone I have ever seen or owned but it didn't come that way. The smart people here made it that way and I'm not losing even one second of sleep over this phone because I know they will again.

In the end I go HTC this time if they had a removeable battery and card slot because I think the performance will be very similar and its cheaper but that phone cant carry my payload and I wont buy a device that wont let me change batteries without consulting skilled people who have figured out the way. Been there wont do that again.

Hardware doesn't lie and the SGS has it where it matters. I only wish Samsung would learn what HTC has already learned the hard way... What sells is what peoplel want, not what you want to sell. IMO neither phone is 100% and my choice is based on which one will have the lower level of overall suckage after the boys have had their way with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] deserthi:
I had the HTC One ordered and was reading the HTC one forum. Weil, there were so many reports of bad build quality (one guy went into best buy and picked up the working demo One and put his finger nail into the camera lens and it cracked). Also the case in not sitting flush on many of them. I canceled my order and my new S4 will be here in two days. It was hard to make up my mind until I read the many cases of the ones troubles on xda.

I thought that after having an S3 the it might be nice to get away from Samsung but this is not to be. My major gripe with the newer samsung phones is that I can not move my apps to the SD card...how stupid!

I love my S3 otherwise and am sure looking for to the S4 soon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
You tried that by yourself, didnt you? :cyclops:

Reasons for the S4:

Battery exchangeable

Micro SD

Bigger Display

gimmicks

Camera in good light conditions

A bit faster due to higher frequency (sd600, but therefor throttling in some cases)

More Sensor (yes, i really need humidity on my phone :silly:)

Reasons for the One:

superfast camera

very good low light performance

super snippy software

no gimmicks, so always fluid

superb build / material quality. You want to touch it every second and not lay it down.

THAT SPEAKERS!!!!!!! Once you have had them, you´ll / can probably never go back to normal ones.

Blinkfeed

Stock Browser with Flash (absolutly fluid)
[Galaxy S 4 General] AMoosa:
It's a phone that YOU will use. Only YOU can decide
[Galaxy S 4 General] inspire85:
I'm loving the screen of s4. Sharper den my note2 and white is really whiter.

Can't compare to One though since I didn't own one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kalwap:
For sure removable battery !!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Reckless187:
Maybe this will help?

http://androidheadlines.com/2013/04...le-than-its-predecessor-and-the-iphone-5.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] kenwchan:
I picked up a mock One and really liked the feel, but just want to add that an S4 in the stock flip case(with the window) is, in practice, pretty cool. With the case closed, the slide to answer function moves up to the window so you can answer the phone without opening the case. I didn't know this before I got the phone. Well, just saying that S4 is pretty neat in that respect. A la iPhone, opening the case also opens your phone, too, and closing works the same way.

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Maybe this will help too?

http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...ne-impossible-to-repair-says-ifixit/240151951

:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
As for lag some users are reporting that this method is removig lag

Settings-> Developer options -> Windows animation scale -> Transition animation scale -> Animator duration scale -> off

Also factory reset too. But its new device and I am sure that Samsung need to polish their firmware too, just like HTC needed too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Hmm, from what I'd seen, don't think white is whiter compared to Note II, might be way off though.

http://youtu.be/x6-a_sQbRSo?t=1m52s

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Wow, now THAT is a fair and balanced comparison! :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Blonde vs Brunette :p

Get both :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Andrew Lin:
You should go to HTC one

I have a one x and s4,but I don t think s4 is better even if conpare to one x.The plastic body is disgusting.SD slot is not abid deal IMO.Compare to my friend s htc one their battery life is nearly the same.And it lag more.htc one body is so amazing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
I see you have been posting negative things about the s4. So just change it to your beloved One. I don't know what you are still doing with the device

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] Andrew Lin:
You forget boomsound and beats audio,that are important,I think
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
+1 troll bro whose name I can't spell. Absolutely horrible. I'm weeping for ya :crying: <= see?

At least you managed to type out that sentence here, that's so admirable IMO.

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I agree. Will you piss off now? Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] justkiddinghere:
Super amoled I love that
[Galaxy S 4 General] Andrew Lin:
Yes,you are right.But the money has gone.I just don t want people to throw their money into bin.I don t want to argue anymore,let s stop.I am wrong because I said something bad about s4 in its forum.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
It depends on what you using, you can get 6 hours on screen easily with the S4 and as easily a 3 hours on screen.

The same is with the HTC one, maybe the apps you use doesn't consume much energy so you get 5 hours on screen while others are getting only 3 hours.

Also, if you use it also for calls for example the on-screen time will be worse.

IMHO, we shouldn't based battery comparisons solely on on-screen time but on the total amount of time the device lasts from 100% to below 10-15%. If someone talked all day 5 hours and got only 30 minutes of on-screen time it's not bad at all!

I think the GSMArena testing mechanism is the best way to test the battery and you can simply choose by the tasks you use you phone for.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shocky2:
Galaxy S4 feels better in hand, it's more ergonomic and for that reason feels better designed to me, gorilla glass 3 also feels a bit nicer to touch. :)

The curved back on the HTC One means it moves around when using the screen when it's sitting on a flat surface, also if the back cover on the S4 scratches or received damage you can replace it, if the back of the HTC One is damaged or scratched your screwed.

Just because a phones make of aluminum doesn't score any extra build points points with me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I totally agree. Even on screen time doesn't tell it all about battery life, it really depends on each individual and how they use their phone. For example you could be watching a couple of movies on the S4 and that gets you to 3h30-4h of screen time and you still have like 60% of battery life but its not "normal" use like browsing the web, using apps, downloading from the play store.... really depends.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aeco/201305140017.aspx
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The second and third quote kind of contradict each other. In the second he says 51 percent of Samsung users in China want to buy the new HTC one and in the third 58.4 Samsung users want to upgrade to the s4.

58.4+51 is greater than 100 and the 9 percent isn't a normal anomaly so this survey is totally wrong or conducted in a very wrong way.

Don't forget that there should be some room for people who want to upgrade to other devices or want to stay with their current device.

Plus, it's an analyst opinion and it's only for china.

BTW, 65 percent of HTC users is much, much, much less than 58.4 percent of Samsung users...
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Anyway you want to mix it up. I've never gotten three hours screen on time 12 hours total. That's my dna battery there. My average varies but if I get only three hours screen time I'm usually around 19 hours total. Either way it's the best htc battery I've ever had. But that's on my teams rom. However based on my other 7 team members and looking in the forums I would say my results are typical. Sounds like your phone has battery issues.

That said I'm not claiming better than the s4. That would be disingenuous as I don't have an s4. Though I may get one if they work out the current issues.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Is this thread about how htc sales are going or is it a comparisson thread between the htc one and the s4? I think the latter.

And yes, the chief of android for sure had a nice time unpacking his s4 with included fincas all around the world + some vacation money :laugh:

(just a joke)

You didnt really answer to my disprove of your arguments of the camera software
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
My battery life is great considering I am only on my first discharging cycle. Got around 5 hours screen time, ~20 hours of usage and some heavy benchmarks. Also, I talked about 30 minutes on the phone. I'll post the result of the next discharging cycle (BTW, I got left with 15% and than charged the phone).

Considering I got minimum of 5 hours on-screen time on my s3 with about 36 hours up time I am not very impressed, but my s3 is more optimized and the s4 with almost all features, gestures and etc working in the background.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
There is something funky with the One's battery life though and it is related to stand-by. It kills the DNA in "active" tests but its endurance number is actually below it. Not to say that it's deficient though. I'd be fine with the One's battery performance based on the way I use my phones.

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There are over 100 pages comparing the two cameras. Anything I opined was formulated from the thread below and I stand by it. Repeating everything in this thread is just going to annoy people as a lot of the same players were active in the other discussions. Is either camera "awful?" No. Is either camera so much better than the other it's going to make the masses flock to it? No. People should buy what makes them happy. The SGS4's camera is better for

me

but I wouldn't not buy the SGS4 it if it had the One's camera in it. The One X’s camera wasn’t anything to write home about but I survived with it for nine months.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2192110
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Yeah I'm baffled by that Barry. My experience with the s4 line of processors has been excellent stand by time. Same with the one. There may have been a rogue process going on with their review model. Either way htc is not known for great battery life but it has gotten better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I don't have the i9500 so can't comment. But vs i9505 HTC One has more dynamic range. The i9500 has a higher sampling rate and different DAC, though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
http://www.geek.com/android/samsung-galaxy-s4-google-edition-to-be-announced-at-google-io-1555174/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'd sort of disagree with that. Teg3 was an outdated pig of a processor and with updates HTC really did some amazing work on the One X to extract impressive battery life from it. So they deserve props on the s/w side. Hopefully they've fired or had executed whoever the champion of 1,800MHz batteries was. They should also fire/execute whoever has an eversion to SD cards. ;)

Last year the One X's launch s/w was a train wreck and the SGS3's was fairly tight. This year HTC got their act together with the One and even pulled off decent wireless performance from an all-metal device which even Apple with their gazillions of dollars couldn't do. They deserve credit for that. The shipping s/w on the SGS4 isn't up to the standard people hold Samsung to. At least it seems that way to me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
After a very few tweaks (and even without) the device works flawlessly and much better than my old optimized s3. And as you can see I am not even on the latest firmware.

In time it will get even better :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] zedular:
Big advantage of S4 is removable battery and ability to use microSD cards, but as i have recently found out 16GB version has actually 8GB internal storage due to bloatware and system image. And we all know samsung's policy of installing apps on extSdCard... so take the task of installing some of the offline navigation software (i.e. tom-tom; Sygic...) which maps take about 2GB (Europe only) than try installing some nice game like GTA that also takes a lot of space and with storage that can be used for installing apps u are on bare minimum. That in my opinion is largest S4 fail.

Compared to S3 that 16GB version has about 11GB internal storage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vegetaleb:
I have a One and I love it more and more everyday.

Compared it in a mobile shop the other day with a S4...

Damn there are no words to say how superior the look and quality of the hardware are superior,the alloy One is like a Rolls Royce compared to the plastic samsung.

The UI is slower on the S4 too.

The only advantage of the S4 is that it has more accessories available
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
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I take it you have been a fan of HTC for a while then