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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
475 if the apl is 1%?! ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=41401774#post41401774

pretty close to 475
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Since they only sell phones projecting revenue is pretty much the same thing.

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It's not a two horse race. LG and Sony are both growing YOY and are pumping out some decent new products. Motorola's got Google's billions behind them so they have great potential. Using horse racing terminology HTC's the "long shot." ;)

P.S. - This might help with your DNA decision. Assuming it gets pushed out by VZW in our lifetime.

The company also plans to release updates for the Butterfly by the end of this month, enabling several built-in software features that are on the new HTC One, such as the Sense 5.0 user interface, the BlinkFeed live-streaming home screen and the slide show function for the camera, Tong said.​

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/ast/201305160033.aspx
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Thanks, yeah I saw the news.

But as far as the two horse race, I mean Apple and Samsung being way ahead of the competition. Both Sony and LG are growing, but Samsung is expanding.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
I love the S4 Brightness Its perfect And I never have it full brightness otherwise its too bright Why the hell would you want something brighter?. Let Auto do its work... And Comparing to the S3 which is a

really good

phone to the S4 which is 3 x better, I think it is really good in the sun glare.. I am extremely happy with the S4 .

Ok now can e close this thread?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
I disagree, the s4 is shait in direct sunlight, especially compared to the 920.

Bumping brightness helps, but it's never as good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DDN24:
Galaxy s4 design + HTC one build quality will be a great combo!

I for one like the design of the gs4! Though the design of the htc one is not to my liking,it's build quality is really great!

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Its okay if you are used to it, but not if you´re used to lcds for a few years. Autobrightness on the S4 (even on +5) was too low for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
huh

nooooo HTC always has problems with their build quality and quality control :rolleyes:

the only thing Samsung need is ditching hyper glaze :silly: :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
You wont get near the 475cd/m² on a normal webpage. That may work on a webpage with 1% white, but not more.

The 287-355cd/m² should be the more realistic value. (as measured by puremind)

The display throttles even on full brightness if you use it for a longer time, so do you really think you will achieve the 475cd on normal usage?

source: anandtech
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Those that regularly view heavily white web pages at maximum brightness will indeed be disappointed. Kind of makes you wonder what the masses are thinking continuing to buy Samsung AMOLED phones when their heavily white web pages look so much better on an LCD display when at maximum brightness. Or is it that for most use cases the minutiae we dive in to really doesn't matter? Excuse me for a bit while I race down to the AT&T store and replace my woefully dim (dimmer than the SGS4) N2 with a One. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
Both the display (AMOELD vs LCD) technologies has its flaws and advantages and it's purely subjective which is the best. Also Both the devices has its pros and cons but best way to convince yourself is to see how much negatives or cons of one device impacts you in reality.

In general here's serious negatives I have read about S4 and this is how I feel

- Plastic , cheap feel.. Bla bla

Plastic is useful in a way because s4 is way easy & quicker to repair. Most of service centers in my region used to take weeks to repair OneX whereas Samsung, it was on the spot or in 24-48hrs which is far more practical. If you got a cheap feeling due to plastic Use a case. Period

-Less storage space for 16GB variant

Buy 32GB or 64GB variant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
How can you not address the lag issue?

A significant portion of people have had that issue.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Or maybe I just used you to provide me with the figures I was too lazy and had no time to look up for myself ;) You make it too easy for me Barry :) You deserve a thanks for your effort, though.

I sitll think the demand for the One is better than the demand for the One X last year judgeing by what the shops tell me, but their supply issue really is the limiting factor for them. Are you sure their production ramp up won't allow them to sell more HTC One than HTC OneX last year? I find it hard to believe.

That would indeed be stupid...produce a phone for which you know you can not even match capacity of the previous year flagship? I find that really hard to believe.

Q1 was grim but the One's sales were not reflected. For May they posted positive results be still behind versus last year. We will have to see how Q2 ends up looking like.

What concerns me for HTC is not the One, it is more the other segments where they seem having a hard time penetrating markets.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Anything right now is just a forecast. And someone who works with about a million dollar monthly budget I can say that they constantly change. And no the one X did not sell better. HTC has already stated the pre demand was the highest they had ever seen in the us.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I don't watch at maximum brightness but on auto brightness +5 . Today was a sunny day in Frankfurt and I had real difficulties reading the screen. I was fine on other days, but this is where you see the limitations of the screen.

The issue is also that battery is depleted very fast when the screen is in its bright state. I read in gsam widget that the 3% of bright screen used up 27% of by screen on battery. It is disproportionate versus the 36 % of dim screen time which took only 12% of my battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Eek. Am I really that predictable? That in itself is troubling. ;)

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What you're describing is what I'd expect and pretty typical of AMOLED. White kills it battery wise but it balances out because it does better on black than LCD. And because the SGS4's display is brighter than the SGS3's it's going to use more battery. But the battery's larger and both SoCs are more efficient so there's some counter balance. No review has called the display performance or battery life of the One or SGS4 in to question so if there are differences they aren't life altering and both are better than their respective predecessors.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
hmm I think for video at home or generally at dimer screen brightness indoor it is more efficient than LCD, but this is the place where you don't need battery since you have a power source at hand.

For web browsing, texting and google maps it is less efficient and this is usually when you are on the go without a power source since you are outdoor.

I don't have to pay as much attention to it as on the S2, but I still have to keep an eye on my battery level and avoid running the device in bright light for too long.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I agree with the conclusions entirely, it is as if they had read all of my xda comments. :good::good:

I think part of the reason why the HTC One is behind in terms of video (besides the lower capacity battery) is the 2.55v sound power amplification. Driving those speakers is sure to take an extra toll on the battery. The improvement in that area may have to do with the fact that they reduced sound volume with the update.

What I would also mention though is that texting (SMS, Whatsapp, Skype, Facebook) typically also falls in the web browsing power profile. The main advantage of the S4 I see in daily use is that if I use the phone lightly, I feel comfortable not charging it during the night, but if I use it heavily I appreciate the battery performance of LCD on bright contents.

Video content typically has an APL between 15 and 60, so the power efficiency will depend on the video material used.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I have added a couple of film scenes and browsing screen shots to the graph.

Scenes below 15% APL are an exception for video, usally only dark film scenes (Sunshine, Dark City, Lord of The Rings). Most scenes will fall within the 15% and 50% range.

For Web Browsing, this will generally be between 75% and 95%

Based on this, the advantage the S4 has for video seems due to 3 factors:

Lower brightness of the screen when tested at 50% brightness

More conservative sound production

Larger battery capacity (though this should be eaten up by the processor overclocking and larger display)
[Galaxy S 4 General] rakeshishere:
The early releases of stock f/w of most phones are rushed, buggy and not tested properly. This is not new with Samsung or any OEM for that matter.

Agree there's lag & I'm sure this will be addressed with future updates in coming months. So it's really not major since it will be fixed in a while and my focus was purely on the h/w part.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Just "slightly" biased :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Your theory is disproved by objective measurements:

Source:

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-GT-I9505-Smartphone.91942.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HTC-One-Smartphone.90716.0.html

Those results are also consistent withy my experience and very logical considering the S4 works at a higher clock and also because Aluminium is better at dissipating heat (so it doesn't accumulate).

Having both devices, the HTC One only gets luke warm whereas the S4 can get pretty hot on the top area. But even that will vary depending on the processor binning. Mine is a bin 4 (like most HTC One), meaning it can run cooler than for example a bin 2 processor.

Personally, I don't like it when my HTC One is perfectly cold, I prefer when it is lukewarm as it feels more organic. What I also find is that on the HTC One, the heat doesn't make your hands sweat or at least it doesn't show on the brushed surface, whereas on the S4 heat generates smearing. I don't mind either device, though, the S4 has a softer feel that also feels nice.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Briztama:
Well... :silly:

To be honest i should have waited patiently until the HTC One comes up in my country..

the Galaxy S4 is a little bit laggy and has the same speed when opening/closing app with my 1 year old One X..

although it's slightly faster when multitasking, maybe because the animation on the One X..

I choose S4 because i want to give Samsung another try, when i regretted to buy the Galaxy S3 due to broken sensors (twice), i have bought the HTC One X before S3 but i really think i'm so stupid that time to follow the S3 hype...

going back to One X and sold the S3 to my friend's friend (and i hope him the best..)

TBH People have opinions, and in MY opinion HTC One is probably superior although having lower specs due to core efficiency..

"probably" because i haven't own it yet... :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Neither film mode not Adobe RGB mode has accurate colors. It was measured that overall the HTC One has the most accurate screen. Even though white is slightly less accurate than on the S4, greyscales, primary, secondary and other colors are more accurate (see Anandtech test). The S4 is also 40% dimmer for web browsing and has a tendency to crush blacks. See my measurement thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2268937

It doesn't mean that the AMOLED is bad, it has its own strengths. Black levels are unsurpassed on any screen and it can display colors that pop for those that enjoy that.

I just had to rectify the bit on color accuracy...

Note entirely true, S4 is broader by 2 mm while the One is taller by 0.4mm:

H1:

68.2mm broad x 137.4 tall

S4:

70 broad x 137 tall

The S4 uses more space for the screen, while the H1 uses more space for the front facing stereo speakers. Both have their own merits. :)

You also say the S4 can better be used on a table, but it is not true because it has a protruding camera which makes it unstable and also using it on a table covers the speaker....So overall the H1 is better to use on a table (not that I personally care about that, I am just saying for the sake of accuracy...)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tom-Helge:
If the Adobe RGB / Professional Photo mode isn't supposed to have acurate colors, then what's the point on having those modes then?

Adobe have checked and calibrated the screen on the Galaxy S4 so it will shows the accurate colors the Adobe RGB mode is supposed to show.

When it comes to web browsing, then you can simply avoid the brightness issue in the browsers by using other web browsers than the stock one or Google Chrome.

However, i'm not saying the Galaxy S4's screen is better than the HTC One's screen in color accuracy, i'm saying the screen on the Galaxy S4 is better overall because you can choose the color modes you want to use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Briztama:
OK, your post is too long i have to remove some images and a video..

1st, i have Galaxy S4 with a bundling package from my Country's carrier, so i know what i'm talking.

2nd, let me state that some of your statements are wrong and biased.

- Point 1) and 2) no, big no, Aluminium dispatches heat better than plastic, and so the heat DOESN'T accumulate on the metal body, thus, it is cooler than S4

- Point 3) well maybe right SD card is indeed, useful, BUT, can you load apps on your SD? no.

- Point 4) no. removable battery is always and always will be the worse option than power banks. go read this: http://android-revolution-hd.blogspot.com/2013/03/removable-battery-do-we-really-need-it.html

- Point 5) is purely your opinion, HTC One design got more class and not like a cheap toy, this is also my opinion. so ignore it.

- Point 6) S4 screen is too big to be comfortable, if you want a big screen, go buy Note series. But still it feels light in hand, but slippery.

- Point 7) not all. It was measured that overall, HTC One has the most accurate screen. The whites is inferior to S4, but everything else (greyscales, primary, secondary, and the rest) are more accurate (go see AnandTech test). S4 also 30-40% dimmer when browsing and can go crush blacks on some occasions.

- Point 8) it was pointed out by many devs that 4.2.2 has more features, AND also bugs, than 4.1.2.

- Point 9) yes of course. But HTC got great support from Devs on XDA, go check the number of custom ROMs and kernels and see which has more.

- Point 10) air sensors? it can't detect some faces correctly, it works on my friends and my dad, but not on me and my little brother. So i ended up not using it, and it becomes a gimmick that drains battery.

- Point 11) One also have alot of features, both software AND hardware, blinkFeed, HTC BoomSound, HTC Zoe, Sense 5, it's all better than TouchWiz. I'm being objective. I don't see rapid changes from S3 to S4 in terms of software. Kudos to the hardware.

- Point 12) i have to agree on this. BUT S4 is slippier it's easy to drop it from your hand if it's moist.

- Point 13) i also have to agree on this as well. BUT it comes to you, do you hangout often, or do you outdoor often?

- Point 14) yeah i totally agree with this, BUT when recording with s4 the image stabilization sucks.

- Point 15) HTC built it with CNC cuts and consist of Aluminium-Alloy material, of course there's delay. As expected from quality manufacturing.

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So yeah S4 is over hyped, i should've waited for the One instead.. :(

*edit* i don't hate my S4, but i expected more from it :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Just a mans considered opinion, whats the problem with that, he's not running for public office having to pander to all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
But you left out the subjective comments from the same article. ;)

Temperature - The Samsung Galaxy S4 is a lot of computing power, which of course also produces waste heat. The engineers at Samsung do it in spite of the significant increase in performance to its predecessor,

the Galaxy S4 that stays cooler than the Galaxy S3

: At the most,

several hours of stress testing under full load

are still 42.5 degrees attained. This is the highest measured temperature is thus almost 4 degrees Celsius below the maximum temperature of the Galaxy S3 , and was measured by us in the earpiece on the front. In idle mode, the higher heat then makes it noticeable: The Samsung Galaxy S4 is here to the entire surface by a few degrees warmer than its predecessor. Overall, the temperature evolution is still very much in the frame , even if

the HTC One through its metal surface a bit more comfortable

, because cooler is overall still in hand. The warmest is in our control field, the Nokia Lumia 920 far away places, with surface temperatures over 50 degrees under load, which is the Galaxy S4. Even the small power adapter is pleasing cool under load load.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
It is not true. Even outside of stock browser, brightness throttlingis happening, even with power saving and auto adjust / auto tune deactivated. See my analysis below:

Regarding sRGB: this is not a relevant mode for Smartpone use: rec709 and D65 are the important standards for web browsing and videos / films. sRGB is only important for color-managed photo editting apps - no one uses them on a smartphone for convenience reasons.

The presets are indeed a nice attention and are an important step in the right direction, but then why not make the film more perfectly accurate - Samsung missed an opportunity to follow the Rec709 standard for HD Video. This seems weird considering AndreiLux was able to supply a calibrated Kernel on the Note 2.

So even though colors are widly oversaturated in the presets, I think the ability to have a perfectly calibrated screen further along the line (if we manage to defeat the dynamic contrast feature) is certainly a nice prospect.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
i was only concerned with correcting his inaccurate statement. I didn't have the S3, so I don't have that kind of reference in my mind. I never felt that the S4 is too unconfortable because of heat personally (though I don#t game much), but I had to recitfy his statement.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
OK, you don't believe me, so let me rename those curves and add the Chrome/Stock browser curve for you. :)

I spend 3 hours doing the testing, no one has spent as much time reviewing the S4 screen than me, so you can trust me. :)

Note that even in the sun boost mode (which is almost never triggered - I had to use a flash at close range to trigger it), has brightness throttling for white or near white content.

Irrespective of any mode, 283cd/m2 is the maximum that the screen can reach for a full white screen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tom-Helge:
Again, the stock browser and Google Chrome is NOT HoloWeb browser. The brightness levels gets automaticly adjusted with those 2 browsers and not with other 3rd party web browsers.

But ofc, if you have the proof that all web browsers are affected by this, then sure, i will believe you.

HoloWeb browser is a copy of the Tint Browser. That's why HoloWeb browser got removed from Play Store because of copyright issues.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Thats why he added that the yellow line is chrome/stock.

The other lines show what is possible without the browser limitation.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I wont make an in depth comparison but in terms of battery, the S4 takes it and here is why. The HTC One apparently gives you very good battery life, it easily lasts a full day for the average user.

But the S4 performs better because not only that the battery life is ever so slightly better by 10-15%, but it is removable. Now some would argue that a removable battery isn't really a pro since both phones last a full day for the average consumer but others need that spare when they are doing heavy use and need an extra 50% or more to finish the day. It also gives you a peace of mind and you can go all out on the battery without worrying ( note 2 owners know exactly what i'm talking about). The S4 also has a better standby time. It matters cause when you're sitting in class or are working at the restaurant or are in the office in a meeting and cant or don't use your phone, it barely uses any juice. And last but certainly not least, the S4 charges significantly faster than the One. Some users in the One forum are reporting batteries that need more than 4 hours to fully charge, the S4 does that in half the time or less which makes charging that extra battery a non issue.

So when everything is considered, the S4 wins in the battery department.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
True, but in the same way I always had to plan ahead and make sure that I had a spare battery charged for my S3, the same planning can be applied to a non removable battery.

At work all day then planning a big night out straight after and worried about your battery lasting? Plug your phone in at work and go out with a full battery (crazy, right!).

I found that having a spare battery was great for my S3 but I still had to plan for when I might need it....often if I went for a weekend to London and knew I would be out for 18 or 19 hours, using my phone regularly for photos and often being in underground pubs with poor reception - the second battery was great.

On the other hand, I was in a similar situation with my One X. Went to London for the weekend, had been up since 5am so battery was down around 40% by the time I went to a football match in the afternoon. Charged the phone in my pocket with a power pack during the match, went out after the match with full battery. Found it just as convenient.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Are you saying that a removable battery doesn't make any difference? And again, the S4 charges much faster, how long are you going to stay at work until your One is charged ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I'm just saying for me, it doesn't make a difference. For the S3, I felt like I needed a spare battery. For my Note 2, I didn't. For the One, not having a removable battery isn't a problem.

My One charges in about 2 hours. If I worked a 9-5 job, used my phone for an hour before work, and another hour during the day, I would have over 50% battery left. If I didn't want to risk that my battery would run out when out after work, I would have to charge for up to an hour. It's not that much of an inconvenience....
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I understand. Not having a removable is definitely not an issue since both phones easily give a full day of use to the average user ( I did say it in my op) but nevertheless, a removable battery is an advantage over a non removable since its an extra option for the user.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
As a fellow ex-One X owner I'm also all too familiar with external power supplies. They aren't the same or as convenient as a spare battery. First, it's a pain in the ass always planning ahead for a battery shortage so that you're carrying three pieces of paraphernalia (phone, cable, external charger) with you at all times. I never knew when I'd get stuck on a long call and if I did without my paraphernalia I'd be screwed. And if you find yourself at a critical battery level using the paraphernalia affects how you use the phone because to keep it alive you have a cable dangling off of it while you're using it. Not so bad for e-mail and such but a pain in the ass for calling. With a removable battery you only have one extra piece of kit to have with you and it's small and easy to carry. And after you swap the battery you're good to go for another complete charging cycle.

But this is less important in the One vs. SGS4 comparison because they both get class-leading battery life.