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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I gave you both curves on the graph. The chrome and Stock Browser is the bottom curve. The middle curve is the brightness of other browsers. The top curve is the brightness of other browsers under intense light.

The top curves are 40% below the HTC One curve for web browsing. Chrome/Stock browser is even lower.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The challenge is that to achieve maximum brightness the SGS4 has to have auto-brightness enabled. That means that the degree it's different from the One will change dynamically based on lighting conditions. At least on paper with about 75 cd/m2 between them browsing in bright sun light with the SGS4's going to be no more than 14% (475 vs. 550 cd/m2) behind the One. With all the brightness "magic" Samsung's applying in the SGS4 it's really hard to pick one scenario and call it representative. Other than all these statistical posts I haven't seen a rash of "OMG! The SGS4's browser is so dim!" so I'm guessing it's deemed acceptable by the majority of owners.
[Galaxy S 4 General] syndragon:
I really don´t understand why would they make non-removable battery and no sd card slot.

I consider trash every phone that has this setup.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I got 2 s4's 32bg Saturday

Have not paid much attn and at work so haven't had time to read backward much

Are you guys saying the s4 does not have a very bright white screen and it is dimmed on mostly white pages? Throttling?

I have a very bright white screen, no dimming at all--
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
They're numerous people on the international one forums saying their phone charges slow. Having quick charge on the dna I know how fast it can charge and my sprint one charges just as fast and actually charges faster than the dna when using usb.

I was fully expecting to have slow charge but that hasn't been the case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
It has external MicroSD Card slot, not internal. This is because HTC consider that very few people will run out of 32GB, let alone 64GB, and those that do can simply plug the MicroSD into the Micro USB slot with a small adapter.

Nonremovable battery doesn't mean it can't be replaced, it is just more expensive. HTC replace batteries for under 100USD upon request, and of course if the battery fails, it gets replaced free of charge.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
100 usd for baterbattery?! This is crazy. For that price buy 3 for s4!!! And can carry them and replace. And from my experience from non removable batteries (xperia s, galaxy tab, nexus 7) tell you that those devices sometimes go mad in battery stats and must to remove battery for 5 minutes and connect again. Thats happened to me and thousands of users in at least those 3 different devices from 3 different brands. So closed devices no thanks...
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I think HTC's bet is that they can generate enough enthusiasm with each new phone so that noone would be tempted to keep their phone more than one year. it is still good to know you will get your battery replaced free of charge if it fails.

Long pressing the power button works the same as removing the battery. At least on all my previous HTC and Samsung phones I never had to pull the battery.

But batteries are at a level where you can easily go over 1 day without the need to recharge. For the 1 or 2 days in the year where I might forget to charge two days in a row, I have a small external battery which fits into my pocket.

Honnestly I can't bothered to constantly keep two batteries charged at all times. It causes me more hassle than charging only 1 battery every day, not to mention you need to buy the battery plus a battery dock...I think newer phones are slowly making those old fashioned ways obsolete for most users.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Personally I like removable battery not because I run out during a normal day, but if I'm going on a one train ride or roadtrip (or whatever scenario you might find yourself in) i can bring an extra battery for watching movies and playing games without having to worry about it.

Its not about everyday use, just an ease of mind for those special scenarios.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
You can do that with the HTC One, just use an external battery. In a train i don't mind an external battery hanging out. Power casing in my opinion even though it is portable is not really worth buying because the number of times it becomes needed is so limited.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Great summary. You should include executive summaries in all your posts. But here's what it comes down to. How much browsing time do people do individually, how much of it is close to 1% APL, and how much different is the SGS4 experience in those situations? It can't be that significant because there are pages of posts on the headphone jack working on 10 and 12 but not 11 and a handful of browser brightness posts; most of them yours. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
That's the strength of the DNA. Despite having a smaller battery and less battery life, it excels in standby and charging time. Those 2 are definitely big factors when it comes to battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
There's more to it than that. With 1080P displays people are going to want to use 1080P content. A 1080P movie rip is 10+ GB. I have 50GB of stuff on my N2's 80GB of storage. If it were a 64GB One I'd have to start deleting stuff to add more while I have 20GB still available on the N2. And with the One's 4GB file size limit big video files have to be broken up or compressed which defeats the purpose of a 1080P display. And moving files via a USB 3.0 card reader is four times faster than via USB to the device. I can't think of a single downside to expandable storage and a removable battery. The only ones defending their absence are people that own or want phones that don't have them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Exactly. People fail to understand that expandable storage is a pro. Many people need more than 32 or 64 gig ( not me) and some are coming from phones that support micro sd cards so they have external storage that they want to use on their new phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bob13bob:
1080p tends to be even larger than 10 gigs. I doubt the phones could play it smoothly when even older computers have some trouble to do it smoothly
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
You started this thread then you started another one in which your s4 lags more than ur friends htc one etc. Your just trolling so I will report this thread

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
No you're "wrong" because you're trolling. There are plenty of people here expressing their concerns and things they dislike/hate about S4 - you don't see most of us having any issues with any of them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
Due to heat issues with 3D games and the current lack of bigger storage models for apps, I can not even bridge the S4 being better than my 32gb S3.

I am hoping Verizon gets a 32gb version and the 3d game issue was a fluke. Those two things should bridge nicely :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] lavafire:
I am in the situation as you, also struggling to decide out of the two devices. Here are a few things I find good in the S4, hopefully will help you.

1. Removable battery, not to swap when one runs out to extend battery life, instead battery life decreases over time. So the battery might last you a day now, it won't in a years time. Since we can change batteries, just buy a new one on the internet and it will be like a new phone.

2. External Card, this maybe useful since the camera on this phone is far better than any phone on the market right now. Iphone is over priced and I will never get it, but i have to admit it has a good screen and camera. The reviews and comparisons on the internet all seems to suggest that the S4 is at least on par with it (the only phone).

3. Good camera for day light photography. HTC one also has a good camera, but it is far worse than the S4 when it comes to landscape or day time photography, I won't be doing night/low light photography, so a big plus for me.

4. Screen size, any screen with higher ppi of 300 is no different to human eye. But a 5" screen will be much better than a 4.7" screen, considering both phone are about the same size.

5. AMOLED screen, more battery efficient, since black and darker colours uses less or no battery.

6. Accessories, I really like the S-cover.

7. Longer firmware support from Manufacturer, HTC dropped support for my HTC phone very early on and made me never want to go back to them.

8. Menu button, seriously look at some videos it bug me so much that HTC One needs on screen menu button.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kolyan:
S4

More durable, more practical. (important for me)

Better battery

SD Slot

Removable battery

Better and actually useful notification light (important for me)

Better day light camera (important for me)

Packed with more features (different screen color settings, adjustable brightness sensor, multi-window, etc) (important for me)

Bigger screen size (important for me)

Availability of S-View, wireless charging, and regular flip covers (important for me)

4.2 out the box

One

Looks premium (I read feels cheap due to QA problems)

Better low light camera

Stereo front speakers (to me that's negative because they look ugly, take space, and made cheap....speaker grills are glued to phone and fall off on impact)

Unlocked boot loader compared to S4? Don't know much about this

So far looks like One is a bit faster then S4, Samsung needs to update their software

PS. As far as boom sounds software, that's not negative nor positive. If you listen through headphones perhaps its good, if you are like me hooking up the phone to car and home system, then boom sound does more harm then good and has to be turned off.

Its S4(if bootloader unlocked) > N4 > One
[Galaxy S 4 General] roninep:
Hey all,

Ill try to make this short. Ive been HTC fan for last 3 phones - Hero, Evo3D, and currently my 4G LTE. Enjoyed all of them, rooted and ROM'd all of them. Ive had nothing but satisfaction from them and the XDA threads for them are stellar.

Ive been going back and forth for the last month between the One and S4. I have read review after review after review. Everyones points are dead on, and consistent across the board. Seems sdcard, removable battery, screen size are S4 pros, while case quality, sound quality, some camera aspects are HTCs. The one thing most people agree on is that it is a personal preference. So I have been trying to decide.

I stopped in my local Tampa, Fl Sprint store last week and they only had the One in but discussed both with the employee. She called me yesterday, and had taken a S4 and a One and put them aside. I walked in yesterday and was able to go hands on with both. Honestly, the hours of research was helpful, but being able to put them next to each other, and hold each was needed. Being able to view both, side by side, and put both through the motions is the way to do it. Because in the end, it really does come down to how it feels and looks, and your happiness using it every day. Sounds stupid, but it definately made my decision easier.

Ill be picking my S4 up tomorrow morning, and look forward to rolling through these forums. I love testing, flashing, ROMs and Mods, and cant wait to start learning about another phone. I wish the undecided good luck, and am glad my decision making is over.
[Galaxy S 4 General] akrontomaz:
Oh baby come to daddy :laugh: :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] cyberz:
Hi,

I have owned HTC devics for years. Starting with Windows Mobile, was Qteq 9090, 9000 ...and many more, but I always had problems with HTC, hardware and software. From Galaxy S I had switched to Samsung, although sometimes the best hardware is to HTC, on paper at least, I no longer had any problems with Samsung devices. Furthermore, with Samsung it is more easy to change rom, the risk of brick the device is almost null with Samsung. Samsung seem more open than HTC to me.

A colleague of mine bought from one year the HTC Evo. Now it should reboot it twice a week because lags. 2-3 times every week it remain freezed. He use only original update and rom. I had warned him!

However, I am angry with Samsung. I wanted the Exynos octa core version with LTE and FM radio, instead I have pre-ordered the version with Snapdragon because Samsung Italy officially said that Italy will never get octa-core version(nor 3G or LTE).

Wish I could explain better, but my English is really poor. I hope you understand anyway!

I forgot, HTC promised firmware for Desire and Desire HD, but then said that it was not possible!

Thanks to google translate! ;)

Best Regards
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
One is better for me so far, dunno why.. Time will tell.
[Galaxy S 4 General] allmine1976:
I have the htc one and s4 and personally I think the s4 is the much better all round package . I sent the one back to phones 4u today due to poor build quality and when it returns it's going on ebay .
[Galaxy S 4 General] yvibes:
Just get whichever one, either phone will be epic. I really don't see all this hype over SD cards, I bet half of you posting probably don't even fill up a 16gb micro SD card. 32 or 64gb is plenty but to each their own and depends on the person I guess (not trying to troll). I have no loyalty to a brand, I just get whichever phone suites my needs at the time of my upgrade and the phone I THINK is best at the time :P

Peace
[Galaxy S 4 General] kirdroid:
That's what I did...oh wait you mean phones, well that as well :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
A couple of blu ray FHD movies itself would be like what, around 10 GB? I have a lot of FLAC music, a couple of HD movies etc (and some non HD movies/TV shows) on my SD card and it's nearly full.

PS: I'm a Note 2 user, BTW.
[Galaxy S 4 General] knowskillz:
Beware out of the box SGS4 only has 8.82GBs of free space, that's 8.82GBs of apps/games (since jellybean doesn't allow apps/games to be stored on micro sd cards anymore)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jj03:
The sgs4 has more `stuff`? Damn..,thats my upgrade taken care of.:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] scott_0:
I was all set to get the One when my update comes up, but Ive decided to get the S4, couple of reasons have already been mentioned.......

1. ease of rooting (Samsung devices are sooooooo easy to root, HTC not so much)

2. removable battery on the Samsung, I hate hate hate being tethered! Ive carried spare batteries with my OG htc evo, Epic Touch, and my GS3

3. SD card, I have a 64gb card in my S3 and just cant lose that, I have tons of music on it, as well as nandroid back ups, and all my other files

4. while not quite as important, I love the fact that Samsung has managed to cram a 5" screen into basically the same size (actually a tad smaller) chassis as the S3

5. oh yeah and that silly button lay out of the One is whack smh
[Galaxy S 4 General] lorddart:
Yeah the phrasing is poor. But I personally after kinda following the posts doesn't seem as much like convincing as just wanting user experience from a community he trusts and belongs to over just random Internet reviews. Plus people have different biases and experiences. And perhaps he feels many people here are more knowledgeable than himself and could give him better insight than he has received from whatever research/reviews he has done. So do whatever guys but I'd give him at least a little bit of a break or just leave it be. If you don't wanna provide insight you don't have to.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Closed Source Project:
Lol I don't even remember what I posted. I was half asleep and on my phone!

In other words, Just order the S4 from T-Mo (called their number and placed the order immediately) and will be expecting tomorrow or thursday :)

I just find this phone better spec'ed and feature packed than the One. I see myself using this phone for up to 2 years which I would not do with the One. (HTC update support is terrible on devices and the GS4 will be MUCH more popular on XDA based on Galaxy sales numbers history)
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
lol me neither

let me know how keyboard does--am still on fence and need more hands on time--just been busy--:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I have terabytes of media on my home server all in 1080P for use on my TVs. I'll pull 1080P files over to my N2 and Note 10.1 even though they are 720P because it's easy. If those two Exynos Quad devices can play 1080P video without choking I'm sure the SGS4 and One can.
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
be reminded these are smartphones not desktop PC's

they have different instruction sets
[Galaxy S 4 General] bob13bob:
exactly. smartphones are craploads slower than computers.

---------- Post added at 07:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:47 PM ----------

I'm skeptical. I can't get 1080p to stream smoothly on wireless despite tomato flashed routers. I don't have the newest one though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sandman9:
its a 5 inch screen..those 10gb+ files are good on the 50 inch tv's, desktops and even laptops...

For such a small screen - bluray rips should be more than adequate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bob13bob:
This may be true, but it's the same as saying there is no point in having 1080p on a 5" device
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Aye you could. But it's like if someone who prefers aluminum phones slaps an aluminum casing on the s4.

The fact is that while it almost does the same thing, it never really gets there. These are small things for some, I'm sure, but: nothing added to my phone makes for a much swifter use. Pocketing it to hit the bathroom. The way I hold my device when playing Game A. The weight distribution of the phone will shift, thus affecting comfort. Minor minor things for some, but things I know will annoy me in actual use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
All you have to do is ask. :)

See below the maximum brightness (auto-brightness boost mode) reached for the main Android applications, so this can reflect a more balanced use of different Android applications.

Android Menu: 5% APL | Maximum Brightness: 465cd/m²

Android Menu with radio buttons: 10% APL | Maximum Brightness: 455cd/m²

OLED fiendly web site: 15% APL | Maximum Brightness: 445cd/m²

Random Gallery Picture: 40% APL | Maximum Brightness: 410cd/m²

Google Play: 60% APL | Maximum Brightness: 395cd/m²

Anandtech with zoom on picture: 70% APL | Maximum Brightness: 350cd/m²

Google Maps: 75% APL | Maximum Brightness: 320cd/m²

Whatsapp: 80% APL | Maximum Brightness: 305cd/m²

Android Contact List: 85% APL | Maximum Brightness: 295cd/m²

Google Results page: 90% APL | Maximum Brightness: 290cd/m²

Google: 95% APL | Maximum Brightness: 285cd/m²
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I don't disagree with you, that's why I usually never forget to charge my internal battery. I can't be bothered with the hassle of charging another battery, be it internal or external or bringing a power casing.

With the S4 I easily reach 2 days for moderate use because the standby time is great, I am not prepared to pay for an extra battery and dock that I will only need on a couple of days every year.

I have 1 external battery that I only need to charge once or twice a year after it served me as an emergency solution, and I can even charge it while it charges the phone - no need for an extra dock. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jmath679:
The one was out for me as soon as I heard non removable battery and no sd.

Here is why:

How many people have ever had their Android phone freeze? I I am referencing a complete device freeze, no response at all, not even the power button. On a platform which is open source and goes to hundreds of devices, you cannot guarantee the same smooth OS as what you see on the Icrap phones so you have to allow that it will at some point have a catastrophic failure. The only way to fix this failure may be to pull the battery. At least that's the easiest way and otherwise with a non removable battery your options are to wait until it figures it out or worst case scenario wait until your phone dies. Shortly after I got my Droid Bionic I lost the ability to send or receive picture messages. I did a factory reset and everything I could think of to fix it, but it never worked until finally one day I had to pull battery for a different reason and all the sudden I could get picture messages again. That one instance alone made me decide to never buy a non removable battery phone.

My main reason for wanting an SD card slot is less about wanting space on the internal drive for apps, and more about having all of my photos and pictures save to the external slot for two reasons. First, it is much easier to just save them there and pull out the SD card when I get a new phone and install it in the new phone and my pictures are automatically on the new phone. Second and more importantly, if for some reason your phone crapped out, whether its mucking with the software or it just dying, chances are that it is never going to affect your SD card slot. So I have 3 kids whom I take pictures and videos of and it's important to me to have the security of knowing that I'm not going to lose any important photos or videos of my children. That is why I will never get a phone without a SD slot.

Besides those two automatic reasons, I want the 5" screen. It's cool that the one has two speakers on the front side, but I would prefer to have a larger screen because if I want good audio when watching video or listening to music I will either do so on my nice surround sound system or plug in a pair of headphones or to some other auxiliary device. I don't honestly expect my phone with tiny little speakers to have great audio so instead of losing screen real estate and creating a larger phone for the additional tiny little speaker, I'd rather just have a smaller phone with a larger screen and a smaller bezel.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You, sir, are living in 2008, or somewhere around then.

I have never had to do a battery pull on my One X, S3, Note 2, or One. Quite frankly I can't believe people still use it as a reason to buy (or not buy) a phone.

Regarding backing up your pictures, Dropbox backs up all your photos so you don't even have to worry about your SD card failing on you. It does it on WiFi while you're at home, you don't need to use your data.

I can understand lots of reasons for removable battery and SD card, but neither of yours are valid for most (nearly all) people.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
If the power button on a phone is no longer working then you're pretty much screwed, can't do without it. Otherwise I was gonna say that holding the power button works like a battery pull. Put the removable option is definitely better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Devi0124:
It's really a toss up. The design on The new sense is excellent which makes it much easier on the eyes than touchwiz but like the joker said in reference to Batman... Samsung makes wonderful toys. The S4 has so many tricks up it's sleeve. I like the one. It runs great and there is not a better looking phone out there. Other than blinkfeed it is honestly pretty bare bones. That being said the S4 IS a smarter phone. I wish I had the s4's features with the sense ui and the ones body but you can't have it all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gee2012:
I think that if the software comes directly from Google all current lag issues on the S4 should be gone. But what do you expect with a 7 GB rom including features. My Nexus 4 (i owned) killed both the One and S4 in speed and fluidity no matter what the task was. I think the S4 Google Edition will be a absolute winner and i hope it will also be available in Europe.

My dream would be:

- Google develops and releases all software and updates for all Android devices in colaboration with the Oem`s off course regarding harware.

- Oems can make a difference by harware and developing optional featurepacks to be downloaded by users if they want to.