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[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
Very true, I wasn't very clear. I haven't had a problem with the Pentile displays otherwise I wouldn't have picked a phone with one :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Students were hired by Samsung to make up these stories. You should know better than to spread false rumors.

Also HTC talked about a zero gap construction not a unibody.They also said that the body of the phone was carved from a single piece of metal.. and they have shown pictures of how this looks like at launch. So basically everyone has known how it was constructed. No discoveries...
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Well it seems to me that you are not aware of things. Users on the One forum showed pics of speaker grills falling off. Whats next? Will you suggest that Samsung gave them money to buy some HTC One and then bash it?
[Galaxy S 4 General] _Variable:
Te s4 is better since it has a NORMAL BUTTON LAYOUT.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I have seen the pictures. Brute force will destroy any phone. :)

Honnestly, be real...I have had 3 different phones, applied pressure on the speaker grille, it didn't come off. you would have to purposely try and remove it. Also those users that said the phone fell and the grille came off...don't think think the grille should be dented on the pictures?

Also, those pictures were made within a couple of day of phone release. Come on....just think a little before relaying every trashing contribution...

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No it doesn't The back button is on the right on the Samsung devices, which is annoying.

The HTC One on the other hand now has three buttons, since the HTC Logo was activated as a third button. and the back button is to the left, because it makes you go back. Seems more logical.
[Galaxy S 4 General] _Variable:
What im pointing out is that it couldve been easily back-home-menu/mutitask which is more useful, but instead, they made it back-HTClogowhichneedstoberemapped-home

Sammy's menu-home-back seems more logical than the One's layout, well, except for the back button placement :p.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Sookels:
I just hate that they put the power button on the top left, so annoying (HTC One). Also, it looks like a iphone :p eeww! Wasn't there mention on gaps on some of the HTC One's? Anyways, all phones have their pro's and con's, you need to pick what is more important to you. I have been using HTC since the HTC HD2 and thought, time for something new, thus Samsung S4 ... must say, loving the hell out of it.

To each their own ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
You need to decide, was it brute force or did the phones fell? It was neither. You're one hell of a fanboy. You have an excuse and explanation for everything. No, the phones that had the speaker grills coming off didn't fall at all, I don't know where exactly you get that from. What about the gap that folks were complaining about? Id love to see what creative answer you can give us.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Why did you have 3 phones?
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
You prove my point. Next thing you'll probably argue that the One has a bigger display than the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
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iphobne!!!

this thread sucks
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I am conducting display quality research for this thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2202869

I expect two more HTC Ones and an S4 this week.

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Which phones? This one?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6194542/Foto 19.03.13 20 52 12.jpg

Which other phones are you referring to? How many cases of defect phones were reported? Is this a pandemic issue? It seems to me you are the fanboy in the room, trying to generalize based on an isolation scenario. Shame on you. At least I don't make sweeping generalizations on the S4 saying that all your devices will develop inky spots and become burning hot due to overclocking based on isolated reports of perfect strangers.

HTC were very quick to pick up the tiny hairline gap issues. Units fabricated at the end of April or following do not have those issues any more (see HTC One serials thread, which tracks production properties (screen calibration, power button, stregth of vibration module, gaps, overhangs) by fabrication date and factory (which can be decoded through the serial numbers).. My latest unit in black is from May and essentially flawless.

To remind you the One X had to worst defects in history during launch? And now every one x is flawless. This time around it took HTC Only 1 month to iron out the issues - they learnt from the past and put an emphasis on quality controls.

Also to remind you, the S3 and iPhone 5 had manufacturing issues, too. The important thing is that Production quality control will detect these issues and past the early batches, you can feel confident that your device will not have any major flaw.

There is no need to bash on early samples, from any brand, or to make sweeping generalizations.
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Bahahahha Ohai notice, nice to se ya here.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Why would I consider that a biggger display is needed on the One, when a 5"+ HTC device with s800 snapdragon is just around the corner? :victory:

But I don't think it needed any prooving that I respond to each argument with a counter argument - where it makes sense. I just try to keep it real and rational.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
Shot a few minutes ago. Foggy day, no sun, in a shady place under the carport. Max brightness on both of them (yes, even in the S4's browser settings). Auto-Brightness on the S4 did not improve the situation. The only real problem despite shutter lag, that I got with the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] don2012:
I tried both for a week and loved the s4 although I wont use most of its features in daily use. But its just better ,besides I love the oled displays etc but again both are great phones I just prefer s4 way over the htc one---
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
You know you're one hell of a story teller. One post you say students were hired by Samsung "to make up these stories", next you actually show proof of the speakers coming off. But yeah according to you that users was paid by Samsung. Im sure you have proof of this.... This users ( the one that you provided the pic) wasn't the only one with a speaker grill coming off, but he is the only one who posted a pic. And I never said that it was a widespread issue but it was one nonetheless.

Regarding the gap, there was a whole thread about it and some users when through 3 units. Yes This time around was definitely better than the One X launch which took nearly 3 months to iron out all issues ( which is totally unacceptable by the way). 3 months might not mean anything to you but in reality it is a longtime and it turned away a lot of users including myself. Like I said you just have some type of excuse for everything.

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Right.. by he way I still would love to see proof that those students were responsible for those speaker grills pics online. Lets see your rational.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ehrw:
Also the wifi speed is way better on the S4. When Swedroid tested it they were amazed!

One: ~60mbit

S4: 108mbit

That's really nice if you're using kies/airdroid. That's the final thing that tipped the scale for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Some users that were anal about a tiny barely visible hair thin gap went through 3 units exactly because of that picture I posted. Other users followed the advice and let the first batches go before they purchased their One. anyways, it is a thing of the past now. Bringing that up now is off-topic, especially with the words "I can take off the speaker grille".
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
So you work for htc then ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Seems you get paid from htc...
[Galaxy S 4 General] willstay:
I would choose S4 for the SDCard. Like battery, memory has finite write cycles and if you use your phone like a pen drive (like I do), it gives peace in mind that I am not wearing out phone memory.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I don't get that logic? Is it the concern that you will lose data or that the phone memory will just die out? Surely an external SD card is much more susceptible to issues?
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Read the HTC One screen thread´, people thought I was making things up to trash the HTC One, such as the fact that there exists different displays with different color temperatures and brightness levels...I am just a passionate customer who likes to push brands to get better.

Ask Barry, we had quite a few animated discussions where he was defending HTC and saying he didn't believe me...
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I deactivated all sensing features and am browsing in autobrightness (quite dim), and battery discharging so far is faster than on the HTC One. I had hoped that the reviews had not deactivated the tracking features, but so far my experience confirms the lesser battery performance. To make it as bright as the One I would have to deplete it even more.

I will let it settle and test again tomorrow after another couple of charges.

Display test will follow.

Edit: The reason I was finding this dim is because brightness throttles badly (33% cut) during web browsing. Even so, battery life is only average. See my post regarding the adaptative brightness mechanism.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
I have a one but am feeling the S4 more, for the more features plus I listen to alot of music and the audio on the I9505x is better than on the one the main thing about the S4 that bugs me is video audio as the audio on the one is brilliant
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I might be mistaken, but didn't your name used to be r89SONY? Is it about to become r89SAMSUNG? :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
Figured I would add my two cents since I just became an S4 owner (I-9500) yesterday (client bought me one as a gift) as well as being a HTC One owner.

There is quite a lot to like about the S4. The software adds just a ridiculous amount of options compared to the One. I mean I could spend a week and not fully understand all the options available. The screen is excellent, as a matter of fact, I like it better than the One. Something about AMOLED that gives it a certain amount of wow factor. I'm not a display expert so that's purely subjective. The touch response on-screen is spot on, and better than the One is (and I have the hyper screen sensitivity off). The GPU excels at gaming. In the same games I would get lag on the One the S4 eats up. GLbenchmark is 43/40FPS. The camera is an excellent all around shooter. For normal shots I like the photos better on S4 but at night, the One gets the nod.

Issues: One big one...what's up with flippin lag on this device? The software doesn't feel finished and that's pretty much been confirmed by Andreilux. I get a fair amount of screen re-draws and scrolling through the widgets it's really noticeable. I am rooted and running a custom kernel but haven't gone though and deleted the bloatware or installed a custom rom. But comparing this to the One, there is no comparison. The One is buttery smooth in all phases except in some 3rd party apps like Facebook. From a UI prospective, out of the box the One is better.

Over time I see big potential with this device but IMO, I'm a bit disappointed as my S3 feels more polished than this device does atm. I hope further kernel/rom development fixes that but if I was going to give my advice as to which device to get, I would say the One.

I love Sammy and haven't owned an HTC device since the original Nexus but I expected more.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I agree with what you have said. The S4 has got great ergonomics, is nice to work with, but the software and UI feels unfinished and suboptimal at places.

My only gripe with the S4 really is the brightness throttling for web browsing and the poorer battery with auto adjust screen tone turned off. As someone who browses a lot on the go, I feel I will have to make big legibility sacrifices to preserve an equivalent battery life vs. the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] willstay:
Well 25nm NAND is good for around 5000 write cycles only. I use my phone to copy files (document, media, softwares) to and fro between different PCs. And if I use phone's internal NAND which is fixed on its motherboard, then I am soon exhausting it. That is where external sd comes to rescue. When it's write cycle gets exhausted, I can simple swap that with a new one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] KennyLegend:
I started reading this thread thinking it was a joke and wouldn't last but I'm very surprised to see it turned into a flaming war. The fanboyism in here is incredible... On both sides... And by fairly well known devs too. It's Pathetic..:rolleyes:

Get a life people and just enjoy the phone u have.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
Interesting, I actually find the S4 to have considerably better battery life than my One and I haven't even begun to remove the ram clogging battery sucking apps of my s4 yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
Yep thats me, I am not changing my name as where I have gone off sony for the foreseeable future as it would seem every year they make a good phone, HTC and Samsung make even better ones so I don't see myself going back to Sony.

It is defo between HTC and Samsung for me.

As last year I thought the One X was overall better imo than the S3 this year it is a turnaround who knows next year could be a turnaround again and the HTC could be better.

A list of things I would like to see are

*Some gesture features would be nice

*Notification bar toggles

*A higher resolution camera if they are going to use ultra pixel (some images are fine as things are but some other images are not)

*a change to the notification light to include a RGB one and when the phone is on charge and I have a missed call/text it flashes like on samsung/sony phones etc so I know instead of having to keep picking the phone up when it is on silent/vibrate

*different equalizer presets and equalizer/headset type settings back in the music menu/notifications bar (where you were able to turn beats on or off) like last years one s/x/v before they changed things also customizable equalizer

*a memory card slot (as I thought 25gb would be enough but I have already used 18gb of that and have had to reduce my video recording res from 1080p to 720p to save memory and limit the videos I put on my phone. So when I do get the S4 a 64gb card is going to be needed.

*A battery 2600mah or above
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shocky2:
Galaxy S4 Pros

Thiner

Lighter

Better screen OLED>LCD (opinion)

Larger screen (simalar sized device)

Faster CPU (higher clocked or Exynos)

Faster GPU (higher clocked or Exynos)

Better Camera overall

Better battery life

Removeable battery

Faster charge time

SD Slot (64GB+ support)

HTC One Pros

Stereo Speakers

Camera does better under low light conditions

I can't think of anything else, some might add build quality for the HTC One but I wouldn't, it doesnt feel any different than previous HTC phones and the plastic going around the phone looked yellow and not flush on models I tested. Galaxy S4 feels better in hand imo.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
To me that falls in the 'I'll try to justify to myself another reason why external SD is so important, even if it's completely illogical' category.

Firstly, if you're worried about write cycles, how do you know when to replace your external SD? Do you count the cycles and then decide it's time to invest in a new one?

Why not just use a USB stick? Surely much more convenient.

Also, how long are you planning on having your phone? If you are going to have it for 5 years, then fair enough. Anything that happens to the memory in the first 2 years is under warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I am prepared to believe you under two conditions:

1. You post your settings for power saving, auto-brightness, auto-adjust, display mode, etc..

2. You tell me which firmware version you have on your HTC One and which settings you use

Based on your settings, you can then read which brightness level you typically operate at on the S4:

Then I can tell you if you compare the phones at an equivalent brightness level or not :)

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Allow me to elaborate on your list:

Better on the S4

Thiner, Lighter, comfortable to hold

Better screen OLED>LCD (opinion) - only valid opinion indoor. Outdoor brightness is the double for the HTC One. even you would prefer the comfort of a brighter screen outside

Larger screen (similar sized device)

Faster CPU (higher clocked or Exynos)

Faster GPU (higher clocked or Exynos)

Better Camera overall - In real life, the camera on the S4 has a harder time focusing and stabilizing pictures, so a significant portion of the sharpness is lost. Also, the camera software is better designed on the HTC One.

Better battery life - this is one that is not true. equivalent for video and worse for web browsing. If it is better for you, then you operate at a very dim setting for your phone that is not comparable with the 430cd/m² of the HTC One (see above). Standy and talk time is better, yes.

Removeable battery

Faster charge time - the Firmware update on the HTC One has reduced charge time by 1 hour

SD Slot (64GB+ support) - you can use MicroUSB MicroSD adapter if you really need the extra storage

WiFi LTE is faster

Button placement and ergonomy

Health App/Hygrometer

HTC One Pros

Design and premium feel

Stereo Speakers/BoomSound/BeatsAudio

Camera does better under low light conditions and is snappier in general, stabilizes and focuses pictures better - camera software more responsive, no lags.

Battery life for web browsing or in general at higher brightness levels

Smoother UI experience (no lags) and design (feels a bit more current)

Brighter screen has much better legibility in the sun (430cd/m² vs. 250cd/m² - the S4 throttles during web browsing!)

Software to transfer data from previous phone is fully automated

Doesn't attract finger prints

Remote control works for Home Cinema (Samsung app does not control AV Receivers)

Browser has custom zoom text reflow (S4 browser for some reason wont reflow text and has only 1 zoom level)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
1. For the S4, power savings is Off, auto-brigtness off (set to about 70%), auto adjust screen tone is on, Screen mode is set to Adapt display.

2. Firmware version for my One is: 1.29.401.13 (Trickdroid 5.3.0)

3. Brightness setting on auto
[Galaxy S 4 General] willstay:
SSDs have good wear leveling algorithm. I do not think memory controllers in phone will have anything. So if you write and delete and write and delete file, it will basically use same part of the memory. In digital cameras I manually wear level by not deleting images every time I sync. So the 5000 translates to 5000 / 365 / 6 = 2.2 (years) and by then you have bad NAND.

If you are using SD Card, when you start to get corrupt file, you that throw that card and plug new, but of course you lost that important corrupt file. The only difference is your phone is out of equation of write cycles.

I use ES File Explorer to copy files between network shares. Thumb drive requires physical connection.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
OK, based this

Your brightness level is on the S4 for typical browsing content in your browser is 160cd/m² (I measured it just now to be more precise)

Your brightness level on the HTC One is 320cd/m² coming from 420cd/m² (following the update, the auto-brightness doesn't dim as much) - this is a typical value for indoor lighting conditions.

To achieve an equivalent brightness, you would have to run the HTC One at 50% brightness instead of auto-brightness. This would save you quite a bit of energy, especially outdoor.

Note that after the update battery life is not as good as before. This is currently being investigated. On the plus side, charging time is one hour less and the camera takes fantastic pictures now. I have just started to experiment with the battery now that I know what brightness settings are equivalent.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Shocky2:
Galaxy S4 feels more premium to me, also I prefer the camera software on the Galaxy S4, lag is fixed with new firmware. Galaxy S4 display is easy enough to read in sunlight, been surfing with the default browser, sunlight view-ability is not just about brightness, reducing reflections from the sun helps allot too and Galaxy S4 is good in that regard.

HTC One has won in most battery tests and I believe them, my Galaxy S4 is lasting 2 days easily. Anyway, bunch of stuff there I don't agree with and some I do.

I hate beats audio btw, just having that brand on the phone is a huge negative for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
Thanks for the breakdown on brightness.

Trust me when I say I love the One, it's just I also think the S4 is a great device too once they iron out some of the issues. The good thing for Android is we know have some excellent choices available. Some like plastic, some don't. In the end, all Android users should rejoice in knowing how far it has come in just a few short years. I used to think my Blackberry was buttery smooth :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I have the new firmware on my Galaxy S4. It is not entirely fixed but no doubt it will be fixed at some point in the future. Reflections or not, you can see the diferences for yourself on those pictures taken at maximum brightness:
[Galaxy S 4 General] POLO_i780:
Is it just me or is the Htc One a bit taller than the S4 despite having a much smaller display??? :o
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Both are equally high, but the S4 is a tiny bit broader, which (together with the more rounded corners) makes it look shorter as well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
The display mate color gamut measurements are consistent with mine. Oversaturated primaries even in movie mode with green being the most oversturated:

Source: http://www.displaymate.com/Gamut_12.html

So we have to rely on a custom Kernel to fix this (hopefully soon).
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Looking at those pics, what i like about the S4 is the wider screen, the One screen is too narrow.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You know what's great about the Internet? You can pretty much use it to support any point you're trying to make. ;) Taking in to account AMOLED vs. LCD the browser brightness looks fine to me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Im surprised this thread is still going...
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
I'm surprised people care so much about the brightness of the screen even after plenty of reviews clearly stated the S4 does fine in sunlight. We all know the differences between AMOLED and LCD. No need to beat the dead horse anymore...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BIGSx420:
True, my s4 is so much better in sunlight than my skyrocket and s3 were.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Haha. What do you mean, taking into account amoled vs lcd? Those pictures make it look terrible, the only ones it looks reasonable in are the ones on its own in a dark environment.

Is there any chance that S4 active will have an lcd screen? I'd be sold.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipsuvedi:
Because Htc One is 1 And Galaxy S4 is 4

Which is bigger..lol:D:p;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] s8freak:
Convince me the One is better than the S4

"Zed? Zed's dead baby Zed's dead"
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Corny as a field full of corn....
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
seriously folks,

buy the phone you want, fap, get a pretty nice girl to marry, have kids. finish grad school. move up the corporate ladder, kill chuck norris, have grandchildren, die.
[Galaxy S 4 General] razer1224:
Lmao!:D:thumbup:

SENT FROM S4