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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Because I don't always remember what I'm looking for. For example, the name of an electrical contractor I used a year ago. You're assuming the way you behave is the way everyone behaves. That's not the case. And a good UI takes all the various use cases in to account and provides for them.

Maybe in utopia. Android is a train wreck of a UI because it allows for multiple conventions to accomplish a single task. Settings as an example varies from app-to-app and even HTC's implementation of providing for their display is ass-backwards (three dot menu).

Then based on the importance of this to you the One is a correct choice for

you

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And in the greater scheme of things how important is setting/displaying the alarm in someone's choice of one device over another? They both get the job done and it's a trivial "you understood" function. Would you have not purchased the One if it had Samsung’s alarm treatment?

So an event you use once to set up your device is really that significant?

Careful. Your bias is showing. Google, the parent of the UI and standards you profess to admire, provides a discreet video player on Nexus devices as do all the other Android manufacturers beside HTC. There's no logical or beneficial reason for HTC hiding their video player and not providing competitive codec support. You've festered over the alarm and device transfer which are trivial in comparison to playing media.

Three of GSMArena's faults of the One are related to functions and ergonomics.

That's inane. I use Samsung's apps because of the commonality. "Find nearby devices" is handled the same way across all their apps. Why would I want to have to figure out different naming conventions and control placement in third party apps if I didn't have to? And again you're assuming your view of the world is universal. It's not for me or what I'm looking for when it comes to UI, apps, and integration.

Here's the bottom line. For every feature you admire HTC's implementation of there's a corresponding feature they've mishandled. The same thing applies to Samsung, LG, and Sony. It's back to the seat heater analogy. It's the aggregate that counts not a like or dislike for a few features out of a hundred. You've made your point that HTC's implementation of certain functions better meets your expectations. I get it. You’d think though that if Sense was so much more in-tune with people’s needs and TW was the train wreck you’re implying that HTC would be selling more phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
If th the case, I'll just jot use them ;).

I remember using other dialers before on my s2, though.

Usually I never interact with my contact list. The smart dial does all the work generally.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Already 108 pages. I am wondering if OP has actually decided on a phone. Is he actually reading the replies?

BTW, I thought such threads are not allowed in XDA. Why the moderators allowing this thread to run? This doesn't solve any purpose. I don't see any such thread being allowed in HTC One forum. And this thread is always at the top of the GS4 forum.

There is constant trolling, endless bickering, and senseless debate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
That my opinion mate I have both phones and I prefer the feel of the S4. I don't see why that troubles you so much lol.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
Can we simply have a Barry vs Puremind thread? I love reading the informational punches these two heavyweights are throwing :D

It's like a classic NBA game that has gone to its 6th overtime at this point! Who's gonna get tired first?
[Galaxy S 4 General] strip419:
S4's many features are made to make using a phone easier. Why people call them gimmicky is beyond me.

When you need them they are there, when you are bored they are something extra to play with.

I love the fact that in the cold ice I can use cotton cloves on my phone.

When my hands are wet I can still view photos.

All these are great. Why do they call them gimmick
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Right, I often feel the urge of viewing photos while my hands are wet :D:D

I agree for the gloves though. Very nice in the winter! And there should be a recipe app as well, which always stays on so you can scroll your recipe without touching the screen with your dirty hands. :laugh:

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hehe, I am mainly into non-violent sports, like Yoga. :) But I get your drift.

Every contribution uncovers a piece of truth. I actually suspect the OP is with Samsung's or HTC's product development and they wish for nothing more but for us to take their product strategy apart. We should get paid for this seriously. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] creatiive:
The features on the s4 ae quite gimmicky and I've since turned them all off. I'd go for the htc one for the boomsound alone!
[Galaxy S 4 General] E.Cadro:
This thread was created before the launch of either device and the mods allowed it because it gave everyone something to discuss up until launch which has come and past.

We have had to clean this thread on a number of occasions and it is now time to put it to rest.

R.I.P.

Thread Closed
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
It is meant to be put on a key snatch, since you would only use it for some bulk videos that you don't need that often. But yes, I get you, external SD is the poor man's internal storage. Personally, I don't need more than 32GB because I stream content from a 4TB Synology NAS station when I need to. :D

But for those other folks, I think manufacturers should just add internal storage and be done with it. If I store information, usually I don't need to remove it ever.

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But that's that point right? If you are successful you don't need to shout it out to the world, so you don't need to project success. The same is true with clothes. And the smartphone is the poor man's car or house. Still, people always want to show success through clothes or smartphones (don't tell me people don't see smartphones, at a restaurant, in the metro, or even on the go, at work, etc...everyone sees them - they are a lifestyle statement from the user. Whether that statement (power, money, style, taste) is true is beneath the point really...

Still, irrespective of actual success, the fact remains that to show "great taste" the S4 is not the best device. That's exactly what Apple has been feeding on.

The fact remains Samsung want to appeal to the masses, whereas HTC want to appeal to the style-craving hipsters out there with all their social media features (Low light camera for social partying/dining, Camera, BoomSound, Double Membrane Microphone to record sound at concerts). They clearly want a share of Apple's target audience (retina killer, design, aluminum construction, simple slick software, even the home screen transition effect is like on the iPad).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Droid2drummer:
The Only reason I will not buy another Samsung is my eyes constantly study the pen tile...though the new squished diamond format does improve a bit. Its still pen tile ...so I hate it that I'm the screen purist I am as it makes for more expensive devices. Since I'm always looking for that perfect HD screen. I left the S3 for n4. Miss the hell out of it but my eyes are much happier. The one would be my choice mainly for this reason. Would love the one screen on the s4. Lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Could you PM me some information on this? This won't fix the brightness throttling or off-axis discoloration issue but at least we can remove the green tint of the whites, that would but really good. I will get my Galaxy S4 next week, so I hope this becomes available soon, so I can see what can be done to fix the issues.

But it is a bag of tricks with a profusion of tricks and gimmicks, some really useful and others just tricks:

So I don't think my assessment is totally out of place.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
No, actually, I've never met someone, outside of these niche communities, who measures success by their phone. If people want to show off their phone, they usually do it in the way Samsung marketed it. By doing "magic tricks", waving your hand, using Mobeam to pay for stuff at the store, WatchOn, smart scroll, etc. The other way people show off is with cases and skins. Almost everyone I know that rocks a smartphone has a tricked out alternative skin/case for it, which gets in the way of that all-important "aluminum premium design" that is so beloved. The point is, you don't wear your smartphone, or have it drive you around. You pull it out to make use of its functions and service, your hand covers up a good portion of the back, and the screen is angled towards your body, and then it goes back into your pocket. It's as much a fashion accessory as my wallet is, and I don't wave my wallet around in public.

So yeah, don't see where you get your definitions from, but seeing as you've admitted you simply troll rather than reason or contribute, I guess that isn't the point.

One review by one person said they'll never use any of the TouchWiz features ergo they're useless gimmicks? Mmm...with such infallible logic, I'm shocked why HTC isn't in the top 5 of product shipped this past quarter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
I've explained it in the other thread. I don't know when Andreilux will release the kernel, but should be pretty soon.

I'm not sure why you're even quoting that. Many reviewers said the same about many of the features of Note II including the S Pen - and I find it using almost every day for browsing and note taking (more browsing than note taking), although I primarily bought it for the battery life+screen. Probably some of them are gimmicky, that still doesn't make it a "kids toy".
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Do you actually think that the fact that people will see the aluminum matters in people's mind when they make their purchasing decision? If marketing was purely rational, then the masses could not be lured into buying the brands they love...

“It’s just like your watch – you don’t need a plastic watch,” Thomas Chien, HTC’s Vice-presidents of Design

"With a continuation of a plastic body, and a larger screen being the most obvious physical change, Samsung's new Galaxy pales in comparison to the all-aluminum unibody HTC One. This is more of the same. HTC remains the best option for those people looking for the best technology wrapped in premium design. Our customers want something different from the mainstream, who appear to be the target for the Galaxy. Our customers want original cutting-edge technology, mouth-watering design and a premium feel from their mobiles, which is why we created the HTC One." Ben Ho, HTC CMO

At the end of the day, people need a device that reflects their personality. That's the best advice we can give to the original poster. What you don't want is purchase a device that will project a picture of yourself that isn't you.

I think you failed to catch the irony. if you had read my alleged "trolling thread", you would have seen that the thread was actually a trolling parody.

I have never said they were useless. I think I said the hygrometer and thermometer are actually very neat (to me, as my throat is sensitive to dry environments). But as a product developer, I don't look at markets at the personal level. How the market reacts to a device doesn't depend on the number of features you have, but relies on the successful and succinct demonstration of the product's benefits and whether or not your target audience can identify with your marketing claim.

Samsung chose to position their phone as a future life companion with its bag of wonders (health application, many sensing abilities, understated looks)

HTC chose to position their phone as a slick, polished premium device for style-craving, social networking crowds

There is no doubt to me that both companies have been successful in delivering devices that match their respective marketing claims, so the best advice we can give to the original poster is to pick the claim that appeals most to him, with which he can identify most.

I personally find Samsung's positioning a bit strange. I can see it work well either with kids (don't they all like to show off at school and gazein bewilderment at all those nice tricks) or more mature crowds (health application, life companion) but what do you think about this whole "life companion" marketing messaging? Personally this is how I would sell a dog to an elderly widow, but not a smartphone. That's why I find it a bit weird. At least the "kid's toy" keeps it young and hip. I think they should have focused more on the futuristic aspect and staged it in a science fiction setting. But Samsung is a mainstream brand, they can't limit themselves to that crowd. In modern aging economies, the elderly represent a significant proportion of the population.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Mmm...we were talking about OTHER people seeing the phone and that appealing to the consumer. If other people aren't actively seeing the phone, they can't very well be enthralled by the "fashion statement. And a watch is yet another item you wear on your body that others can see at nearly all times, a phone is not.

*Random quotes from HTC company heads bragging about their design and how important it is because who would bash their own product?*

Can find plenty of Samsung heads who will say the Galaxy S4 is premium, slick, and feature packed. Just as arbitrary and pointless.

Which is irrelevant unless your preference is aluminum and the design encompasses most of your purchasing decision.

You don't understand irony, just stop backpedaling.

^ Not irony; cringing attempt at humor. Using the irony excuse for everything you say means no one can tell when you're "serious" so it's as empty as the rest.

The Galaxy S3 had a bunch of features; sold extremely well. Galaxy S4 has even more features and Samsung is focusing almost entirely on features in its advertisements, and it's already promising to outsell every other phone this year. So should I believe Samsung's multi-billion dollar marketing budget which even dwarfs Apple at this point, or believe someone who has already identified themselves as someone who isn't interested in Samsung's products and has already described its owners as "children" and "unsuccessful".

"Life companion" is the most accurate statement about any smartphone that can be made. The amount of incorporation that technology has in daily life is only increasing. That makes the phone more personal, which if you knew anything about marketing, is a key method to connecting to the consumer. Talking about how gorgeous your unibody frame is doesn't have that sort of connection whatsoever, it just comes off as pretentious.

The OP can get what he wants. He's already made clear his choice (or not, I can't really tell). But you coming along and declaring, out of your own ignorance, what demographic goes for which phone without ANY facts to back yourself up, is what's being contested.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vdhawwan:
Hi, I have been using the S4 for 4 days now and I found the so called gimmicky features as quite useful. I mean the Eye Scroll is quite useful. These kind of features are what is considered innovation. I know that the HTC fanboys will say that they could easily move a finger and scroll. That is what I am saying, let me explain by a small story here..

Some years ago, when the basic multitasking was introduced and the feature phones were forgotten as the Symbian Phones took over as they were smarter, they could do things that weren't possible in feature phones... like the Nokia 6600.. People could view actual websites on their phones.. and we moved forward with that, loving it.. It was great but the scrolling was too tiresome in long webpages.. as you had to press the button repeatedly to scroll down to the bottom..

Then came the touchscreen phones.. where you could just swipe a finger on a screen to view and pan and scroll web pages, images and do whatnot... and we loved that and moved with it..

Then came a phone which introduced touchless interaction with the phone.. like eye scrolling.. it maybe found gimmicky now, but it has a lot of potential to build upon and it is great within itself too..

A time may come when we won't have to use this anymore... maybe we could control our phones with our minds...!!! but that is the next stage which might or might not be possible..

Now HTC One is on the second stage and Galaxy S4 is on the third..

I think this is known as evolution and innovation.. To think out of the box and make new things.. do stuff in ways that weren't possible before..

Same thing applies to Air View as well.. Now HTC is just doing the same thing that it has done before.. or even every other company has done before..but faster..

That ain't innovation..!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I actually agree that several of those features are useful (eye scrolling, pausing of videos, hygrometer, thermometer). Some are, some aren't and some are buggy. Still Samsung should be commended for their innovation, and no doubt when these features become more mature, people people will adopt them often. I think what people are saying is that Samsung could have maybe focused their attention on a few key features to make them work perfectly rather than have too many things that eat battery and people will deactivate to have better battery performance and less lags.

In a poll I started a few weeks ago, "more hours of battery life" is actually the most wanted feature on a smartphone today by far (64% mention it as a top 3 feature), followed by screen quality, whereas "extra software features" is cited by only 9.64%:

63.86% More hours of battery life

46.99% Improved screen quality (ppi, color, contrast)

42.17% Improved processor performance

[*]39.76% More stylish design/premium feel

37.35% Improved Camera

26.51% OS look and feel

18.07% Increased storage capacity

16.87% Improved connectivity (LTE, NFC, IR)

12.05% Increased screen size

10.84% Improved form factor (size and weight)

18.07% Improved sound volume/quality

[*] _9.64% Extra software features

Note that "more stylish design/premium feel" is in the top 4...I think that's the main reason why people have been disappointed with the S4 besides the real time performance (the S3's design was already a critic point, which is now more blatant with an Android competitor that just seized that window of opportunity) For some the understated looks will be enough push them away (e.g. Apple converts that were hoping for a slick Android device), while others will react differently to the mix of features offered by each phone.

Source: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2192572
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
Maybe it will not suit you, but why not give it a chance? :laugh: See it in the real life, and then make the conclusion, I think it's more reasonable:D

Just think that pixelation is much less on S3 than S1, and with 441ppi i don't think it will be visible anymore. And don't contempt the diamond shape. It's a huge improvement for Pentile tech

On the left you have the diamond layout and on the right the older pentile layout. on the right you can clearly see there are large gaps and not evenly spaced which causes jagged images. on the left you can see how they have broken down the green and filled these gaps in giving you a much more uniform and sharper image.

And here is how sharp it is compared to the screen so-called Retina of iPhone 5 (which Steve Jobs said normal eyes cannot recognize the pixels)

(don't care about the tint because the reviewer's camera having problem with white balance with Amoled screen)

Oled tech is a new tech, and 1080p on 5 inch screen even with Pentile is a major achievement. It's not easy as making a mature tech like LCD at all, like 4k LCD for 80+ inch screen is avaiable, but we can't say 50 inch 1080p OLED (which has faced a lot of difficulty to be produced) is garbage, right?

And I even think 1080p RGB is stupid because that with the same materials, it will consume A LOT more energy compared to Pentile without making any visible improvement in sharpness.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skinsfanbdh:
Removable battery not really a problem for me. T-Mobile told me that the battery is covered in the two year warranty and that if I felt the battery wasn't holding a charge like it was supposed to they would exchange in store with a new phone not refurbished one for $20. Battery life has been better than I expected around 30hrs with 7hrs screen time. I have always been a Samsung guy but I opted for the htc one mostly for the speakers being I like to listen to music at work and UPS doesn't allow any electronic devices in the building(like I'm gonna leave my $600 phone in my car).
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
I respectfully disagree in that I prefer having plenty of storage for apps with internal storage (at least 24gb free) and the sd option for media. IMO, the more Android drifts to acting like Apple, the more customers will likely drift to Apple. One of Android strengths is choice. Without it, all you have is a bunch of Apple clones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
You still have a choice between internal and external media, it is just with oTG you don't have to open your device for external storage.

I am all about choice, but the options need to add value for them to make sense. If you talk to me about dual sim, then I am with you, it adds value.

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Personally I think that the penile structure does not affect color so much if calibrated properly. The only thing that is affected is off axis viewing, but I don't care too much about that. If direct viewing doesn't show a green tint. I am already perfectly happy. People have said that custom kernel would fix the incorrect grey scale and green push in film mode, so that should close the penile chapter.

The only remaining quirk is the amount of battery life sacrificed to run at LCD brightness levels.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sunnylovesalman:
Onw who asked the Convincing reason of S4 ahead of HTC One. This is why.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
About off axis viewing, my Note 2 has much worse viewing angle than my GS 4. I did compare and the viewing angle on Note 2 is very similar to my friend's S2, but worse than another Note 2, which all are RGB (but with different matrix layouts), so RGB or Pentile is not a big deal here.

About brightness, giving the same level of light intensity, the light from current tech organic light-emitting diodes are not as efficient as the light from LED (which is even absorb a lot more than the structure of OLED display).

LCD tech still has the advantage here

A funny photo
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Viewing angle is not an issue, unless it's really bad - and the only phone I've seen recently that has terrible viewing angle is Xperia Z. Rest all have acceptable viewing angles. Obviously SAMOLEDs are less brighter (can crank it up with custom mod if needed on Note 2) but unless you're really reading it in really bright sunlight, it has acceptable outdoor visibility IMO. And looks like S4 has much better outdoor visibility though than Note 2.

I still don't think RGB = AMOLED, RGB still looks superior to me post calibration. But yeah, probably that's just S3 or even just me. We'll see how S4 looks post calibration :) If it's anywhere near what I got on my Note II, it should be absolutely gorgeous.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
These two websites are reason enough:

http://www.samfirmware.com/

http://samsung-updates.com/

Give me something similar on other devices and then we can talk about it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
This is the comment numbe 119.

Amazing! Is OP anymore interested to read the thread at all??