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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Then why do you talk about the future? The apps I mentioned work good as they are, especially the first three, and they do right now. You are the one who is reinforcing the feeling that in the future some of this functionality can be improved!

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HTC One has 4.65 vs. 5.01 for the S4 based on Display Test.

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Already exists for the One in Google Play, though not sure how useful I am finding this. If I want to share content from my phone I put it in drop box or sendmyself an email, seems faster than setting up the link. Maybe someone can comment on how useful this is in real life.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5iamJpbmMubXVsdGl3aW5kb3dtYW5hZ2VyIl0.

It's already available for S4, so scratch that. And I have tried the damn multiwindow app, and LOL @ it being remotely as functional. Haven't tried the smart stay and smart rotate alternative, but good for you if that works as good as stock.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
What are you referring to??

I am not talking about any android 'app'.

An app will not allow you to interact with the PC unless you have some additional software component in the PC.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I had a One X and moved to a N2. I lost 50% of the brightness the One X's incredibly good LCD display provided. 90% of the time I leave auto-brightness on so have no idea what the actual cd/m2 rated output was for each phone in different conditions. Indoors, from a readability/usability perspective, I didn't notice any big difference (or don't remember if there was). The One X was easier to read in bright sunlight but I was still twisting it and turning it because of glare. My biggest issue with Samsung's phones outdoors is trying to read white text on a black background which a lot of their apps and TW are designed around. I was happy with the One X display and I’m happy with the N2's display also. And I'd be fine with either LCD or AMOLED on my next phone; they both have strengths and weaknesses. To me, unless there's some huge fault with it, the display is just one of the things I take in to account when considering a phone. Several people have said how important max brightness is to them. That's fine; people have different priorities. The SGS3’s display certainly wasn’t Samsung’s best work yet people bought it in droves. If the display was the most important (or only) criteria for people the One X would have outsold the SGS3 10:1 rather than the reverse.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Thanks, great find. I have downloaded it on the S4.

Yes the other alternatives are all very good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's factored in to their actuals for Q1 and guidance for Q2 so has no impact on the numbers provided a couple of posts back. They'll still have to sell 48% more devices in the last half of the year then they have been so far in order to match last year's sales. As a comparison, Sony sold 8.1MM Xperia's over a three month period and we rarely even mention Sony phones in our discussions here.

Sony announced its latest financial results last week, the company had overall revenue of $72.3 billion with operating income of $2.4 billion and net income of $458 million, they also announced that Sony Mobile had revenues of $7.8 billion. As well as announcing how munch money their mobile division made, Sony also revealed how many of their Xperia smartphones they shipped, with a total of 8.1 million Xperia devices shipped in quarter one of 2013.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
We know this, I still don't see them going anywhere in the next 4 years. I am one who thinks the executive shake up is a positive sign. It means that the status quo will be broken. I think that the best thing that could happen to them is being purchased by ASUS, that would allow them to retrieve their earlier rating, fill some of the vacant positions with transfers from Asus.. Would be mutually beneficial. I hope they will loose further market capitalization, so that they become cheaper to take over.

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Yes, and this is a problem because? Many Google Play apps can have a PC add on to communicate with them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Damn, didn't know that Sony sells that many phones

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HTC and Asus looks like a good combo.
[Galaxy S 4 General] valentinrascu:
I have bought. S4 is better than one.

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
What do you prefer in the s4?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
The real question is why did you changed your mind? ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] valentinrascu:
Yes. The camera is better, the display out no, but is bigger. The one is not assembled very good, I have some defects... The s4 i deactivated all bloatware, and is fast like one. Originally it was slower... Another thing that I don't like is the HTC one is not fully body aluminium.. The plastic on simcard is easily scratchble (sorry for my bad english)

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
If you get the dna just make sure you have the stock charger handy. I like it but the battery is way weaker than the one.

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Actually this is an amazing start considering the component shortages. They still can't fill all their orders.
[Galaxy S 4 General] @home:
After having used the S4 for a week now I have to sadly say I'm sending it back - I just cannot take to it.

It's not just the lag but the bloat of it all. I'm sure some of you will love the S4 & i'm glad you do but for me it's back to HTC One.

So to answer the OP - I cannot convince you the S4 is better than the One, cause for me, it's not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Strategic reasons :D

- One is cheaper

- The phone that I really want is the Note 3. Getting the S4 then the Note 3 would be too much of the same (well kind of) so I figured getting the G pro or the One now is better that way I get to experience different things. Otherwise I would rather go with the s4 but so far I'm very happy :)

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It's fine no worries. Thanks for your input!

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Well I got the HTC one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
What lag?

Bust mostly: what bloat?
[Galaxy S 4 General] @home:
Mine lagged when scrolling through menu & home screens & i did turn off all usual suspects.

Touchwiz is so bloated it's like a gut lord marching.

They should trim it like sense 5 has been.

Again Im not poo pooing the S4 - If it's for you then I'm glad.
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
A few things to mention

1. The shutter speed of GS4 is as fast as One, cant really tell the difference

2. There are reviews on the mic quality of One, nothing really worth mentioning

3. Sense 5 never impresses me, a flipboard on home screen with some Windows Phone design mimics, why would I need that, not to mention the app drawer is awefully designed. Many people claim TouchWiz childish however it's still one of the most function manufacture skin on Android, Cyanogenmod also took the notification toggle design and the swype to call/message feature is now widely used. Sense was all about animations and aesthetics, not really useful.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Weird.. Maybe you had a different sw version than I do. I simply set animations to 0.5 and turned off s-voice on homekey and it's as smooth as can be.

No idea what this bloat is doing to your device though.

In don't think you're pooing at all, I'm just trying to figure out why you had a bad device =). Might help others with the same sentiments.
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
I have been struggling between the 2 and picked GS4 at last.

My reasons:

Layouts, One had the power button on the top of body, only return and home buttons at bottom, while GS4 has power on side, dedicated menu, home and return. This is the main reason I picked GS4, these buttons are used hundreds of times each day, definitely an important aspect.

GS4 has a larger screen and bigger battery in a smaller body.

GS4's camera still works better in daylight.

Ability to use a MicroSD card.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Make sense.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
1. Is that a fact, or are you just saying you can't tell the difference? I was sure that EXIF data showed that the One has a faster shutter....but I could be wrong.

2. There are reviews that say it is absolutely amazing, and others that hardly mention it. It's like anything.

3. I didn't use BlinkFeed for ages, and now I find myself using it all the time. If I'm killing time, I'll flick through and see what's going on. The only thing they need to add is customised feeds. I don't have it as my home screen, but it's always easily accessible and I like it. I don't know what you mean about the app drawer. You can have it set up as custom, alphabetical, most recent, 3x4 grid, 4x5 grid (and 5x6 grid with a custom mod). I really don't have a problem with it....I would rarely go in to the app drawer anyway, but the fact of the matter is that everything in Sense looks 10 times better than touchwiz (in my opinion). They just know how to make things look good.

Depends if you are rooting and running a custom ROM or not. I guess if you want to stay stock, then S4 is the obvious choice. Otherwise, the One has volume button wake, double tap to wake, slide to wake, HTC logo menu, long press button menu etc etc.

Your other reasons are valid enough.
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
1. When mentioning shutter speed, people are usually just referring to shutter lag. Max shutter speed isn't really any issue on a phone which has a small sensor that probably always hungry for light. Also from what I read the One tends to use slower shutter speed to make use of it's OIS (Nokia does same thing).

2. no comment

3. I can just pick any integrated news app, flipboard, News360 or anything else that provide similar functionality, I dont see how BlinkFeed is significant. The draw uses a staged vertical scrolling, and you cant fast locate an app just using the controls. And the styling is just personal preference. The old senses are very exaggerated and time wasting to me, Sense 5 is cleaner, but the ideas are all borrowed, hardly anything of HTC's own creation.

I am aware of mods that makes use of HTC logo, but that's still worse than GS4's layout. Also adding one capacitive key does not fix the positioning of Power button. Other mods are mostly universal across all Android devices, but again the volume on One is hard to press among modern phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
The Ones shutter speed is faster then the s4´s. Also there is no existing shutter lag on the one (other then on the s4)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Great news for us US users, AT&T and Verizon bootloader expoit released.

http://www.androidcentral.com/att-and-verizon-galaxy-s4-bootloader-exploits-published

Does that mean that we will be able to flash I9505 roms on the S4 ( AT&T at least)?
[Galaxy S 4 General] chalid:
Yep, thanks to the low resolution ;) Can't have everything. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
I dont see any noticebale shutter lag on the S4 either, and both cameras start pretty fast.

Shutter speed wise, what's the max shutter speed of both phones?

From what I can find the GS4 has 1/10000s max shutter speed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The majority of people that left already had better jobs at larger and more prominent companies. It's not HTC cleaning house as much as it is people getting tired of working under the harsh conditions financially depressed companies typical have.

It would be great for HTC but what does Asus get? Asus is actually doing very well in all financial metrics. Most of you guys are looking at HTC emotionally because of their past. Looked at clinically based on the numbers the way someone would in an acquisition they are down right scary.

Asus is growing YOY

As we know, HTC is not. Analysts are projecting 2013 revenue to be 38% below 2012 and 2014 not even hitting 2012 levels.

The reason companies enter new business lines or acquire other companies is purely financial. If you invest $"X" you’d expect a guaranteed return of $"Y" (return on equity/capital). And "Y" should be equal to more profit and margin than your existing business lines are producing so it helps (not hurts) your bottom line. Acquiring HTC would pull down Asus’ profit and margin by 75%. And risk has to be factored in to the investment analysis and based on HTC's current performance they are a high risk investment. HTC doesn't have any assets that people would want because they are easy to replicate. And hiring their employees gets you HTC's intellectual property without having to buy the company. As far as I know HTC doesn't hold any patents on the functions in Sense. And if their brand was so powerful and attractive their sales wouldn't be where they are. So manufacturing facilities and hardware and software engineers are pretty much HTC's whole asset base. To buy a public company requires purchasing all their outstanding stock. HTC's market value is $8B. At its peak in 2011 the company was worth $32B. So even at a 75% discount they haven't attracted any suitors which typically happens when a viable company's stock is as depressed as HTC's is. I'd guess you'd see a restructuring (new leadership/new business plan) financed by the Taiwanese government before you'd see a merger or acquisition. The government could approach Asus about taking on HTC but they'd have to provide some really impressive financial incentives to make it worth Asus taking on the risk.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
^^ real talk :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
We should rename that thread to: "How´s htc doing"...

Guys... come on, thats a comparisson thread between 2 devices and not 2 companies.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Honestly this thread has become more of a discussion between the 2 devices (and both companies). Everything goes except flaming and all that stuff.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Actually, when you buy a device of any kind you don't want to end up without insurance or support because the company goes bankrupt. So it's a parameter to consider.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
htc is "far" away from being bankrupt
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I haven't said that htc is going towards bankrupt.

I just stated the fact that it is in important the financial condition of the company you buy your expensive device from.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Thats okay. But not if 90% of the current discussion is about how htc´s doing... We know now that htc was/is doing bad and (i think) we all hope that htc will do better (for the competition).
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
We certainly do hope they do better, Samsung is pretty much set now ( as far as the galaxy brand, it pretty much reached iPhone status). HTC did bad in the past but they did very well with the One and deserve credit for it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Blinkfeed is much better than flipboard. You can't even compare. I tried flipboard out of curiosity, but several things I don't like:

No full page widget, need to go into the app itself

The home page doesn't show many stories, only 1 per category and you need to tap further into the structure to see more - not good for an at a glance view. It is more clunky to navigate quickly

Couldn't find an option to view international news in other languages. As a European, I like to read news in English, German and French...

Blinkfeed remembers what you have already read and gets you back where you left off if more news have become available

In parallel, HTC have announced that they will be updating Blinkfeed to accept RSS feeds, podcasts and the link, so the main weakness will be gone away.

I tried several other news readers (Yahoo, Google, Flipboard, etc...) and none of them have the quality of Blinkfeed. I think HTC just have a winner in their hands. Considering this was their first iteration, this is totally impressive. It runs smoothly and is really well animated. No lag fetching content whatsoever. I love the homescreen integration.

I don't want to miss it ever again. I am hoping that something similar will come out for the S4. Blinkfeed and Boomsound (and the Sense experience) are really the main two things I am missing on the S4 (not so much the design).
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
Have you tried other "hub" style apps like Pulse and News 360?
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
I dont like waking my phone with volume buttons, there are occasions that I just want to turn down volume without light up the screen.

If the buttons of GS4 is too close to screen for you, One probably will not be any better since the location of the 2 capacitive buttons are about same as close.

S4 has larger screen, significantly thinner frame. GS4 is 0.8mm shorter, 1.6mm wider and 1.4mm thinner than One which also has a smaller battery. GS4 is cleaerly more compact. Depth is still an issue even with curved back, you can never call Lumia 800/920 slim phones. I personally dont like the aesthetics of One, the screen frame is too wide, the back is too similar to Xperia ion, and the speaker holes look bad (they make good sound though). GS4 is a bit too shiny, some texture back like GS2 might be better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Do you even own one of these phones?

To my knowledge this is not possible on either phone to change the volume without waking up and unlocking the device?

I use both the S4 and the One as daily phones, and you have to believe me when I say the S4 has much less room to hit underneath the buttons than the One does. The One has plenty of space underneath the buttons, which makes it comfortable to hit the capacitative buttons without hitting the screen...

I use both phones and the One feels more compact. 2 mm width makes a difference in your hand, and no the depth doesn't make a difference because the One is only deep at the centre but becomes very thin around the edges. Since your palm is curved inwards anyways, there is no disadvantage at all from the slight buldging.

Just test it yourself on the S4. Try and keep your palm and fingers absolutey flat against the back of the phone - you will see it is not how you hold it and you actually have more than enough room for some bulging.

Please if you don't own or use those phones on a daily basis, do not comment on usability aspects. This is a waste of everyone's time. We have enough difficulty agreeing on objective aspects in this thread, let's not introduce phantom opinions that are pure fantasy not born from real use!
[Galaxy S 4 General] amtrakcn:
I own GS4 and played quite some time with One before I made my purchase.

Yes, it's possible to change volume without waking up the device. Just plug in ur headphone.

Also why would you need room underneath the buttons ---- you are supposed to hit right on the buttons, if it's easy for you to mis-hitting screen, just move ur finger down a bit, you dont need space underneath buttons to do that.

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I dont know how you usually hold your phone but I never hold my phone with palm when using it. It's actually held with fingers and operated by my thumb. The thick part on the back of One can definitely be sensed. Buldging definitely makes some thick devices nicer, but they better just become slim.

The way people hold the phone might be different but a think frame is no means advantage.

Additionally it's definitely not right to suspect the ownership of device just because you dont know certain features.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You know cd/m2 and APL. I know company financials. ;)

After competing against others, Google won the bid for Motorola's patents. A mobile device company just happened to be attached to them. Google had $150B in cash in the bank at the time. Asus has about $1.5B.

Exactly. And no one's buying them because the cost of the financing to fund an $8B purchase would create more interest than HTC's turning in profit and would burden whoever acquired them with a huge amount of debt. A bargain's only a bargain if it's worth more than you're paying. Based on their cash flow, profit, and margin HTC's worth about $2B. And even then they are a “fixer upper.”

HTC has a revenue, scale, and profit problem. They are sized to sell a portfolio of devices globally when no one's buying them. That scale (overhead) teamed with their higher unit costs for components because their selling fewer devices is what's tanking their margin and profit. Why would Asus (or anyone else) want to throw $8B at a business line that returns such a small percentage of profit? You're asking the wrong question. It's not "why wouldn't Asus buy HTC?" It's "what would Asus do with $8B that would expand the profitability and margin of their existing business?" The answer to the latter isn't to overpay for a floundering smartphone maker.

Asus would make more on a $8B investment if they bought the Campbell Soup Company than HTC. You're assuming they want or need to be in smartphones. That's a big assumption. Based on Samsung’s dominance from the top and ZTE and Huawei’s threat from the bottom why would anyone who isn’t already in smartphones want to be in such a tumultuous business with such little chance for return? Asus pulled out of high-end Android tablets because they weren't generating enough profit. That was smart and shows they don't view their business emotionally. Looking at smartphones non-emotionally they are a train wreck of a business line financially (if you’re not Samsung or Apple).

If a tree falls in the forest does anyone hear it? HTC's going to be 38% down in revenue year-over-year even with the One's success. The One's HTC's best effort to date. If it can't reverse their decline what's left to do? With each annual sales drop HTC's become less relevant. So you have a company geared to produce and sell large volumes of devices that they don't have the relevance and wherewithal to promote and distribute. Smartphones are a commodity and all provide similar features and functionality. There's nothing HTC possesses that's really unique except their take on s/w and design. If those unique things were valued by the market we wouldn't be having this discussion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
Off topic but just curious: Why Google ended up purchasing those patents? :confused:

At the time they said they bought them to "protect Android" but since Apple / Microsoft isn't suing them directly (only the manufacturers) why would they even need them? Seems like a bad way to spend 13 billion dollars :eek:

Any thoughts on this Barry?