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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I loved the One X's display and it was the primary reason I bought it over the SGS3. It's so funny when we have these dramatic battles over the importance of display accuracy and brightness as if lives hang in the balance based on both being perfect. I'm sure to a percentage of people they are critical but how many people here pay to get their LCD TV's calibrated? I have friends who leave it set to "showroom" because they like how bright it is and they say it makes the colors "pop." You can see their TVs from a block away. One of the big challenges with AMOLED is variances in color temperature. I have friends with Samsung phones that have green, purple, blue, and yellow tinted phones (and I don't mean subtle) and they are fine with them. I'd also guess about 1/3 of my friends with iPhones have cracked displays and just work around it. So the moral of the story is that XDA is a piss poor proxy for the masses needs and wants. If TW, plastic, and AMOLED were as hated as referenced and removable batteries and expandable storage didn't mean anything Samsung wouldn't be projecting sales of 350MM mobile devices this year while HTC, Motorola, Sony, and LG are between 3-7% market share with none generating a dime of profit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I was not finished writing it. I couldn't retrieve the previous posts quickly enough (which had the points you mention).

I think Sense just made room for Blinkfeed 8as you said), which is sure to take a lot of RAM considering it preloads content. But regardless this is a perfectly smooth experience. Last year the One X suffered because of its own tethering issues...it was the handset that had the lags and unoptimized battery performance...I don't think you can reduce the outselling to the display. This is a convenient shortcut but the One X did not have the adaptative contrast last year so the back levels did not look as good. The One doesn't have better blacks but because it dims the screen at low APL, the blacks appear more deep. That's why some review web sites, which tested with full screen patterns obtained contrast values of 1700:1 instead of 1000.1 for the One. Because of this,tested in a shop, the HTC One's display doesn't suffer comparison vs. AMOLED the way the One X did.

I mentioned the updates will be the deciding factor for performance, de-cluttering of the S4 and battery performance. At this point, if the releative weaknesses of each phone don't make or break a decision, we have to look at how quickly the tethering issues are being resolved though development.

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The issue is that many decisions are made by testing phones in the shop. Contemplated in a shop the One X's blacks pale a litle. It is only when you go outside that LCD plays its strength. So you could argue that the purchasing environment gives an unfair advantage to OLED's.

The same issue happened with plasma TV's which whose better blacks are not noticeable in a normally lit room and need a pitch dark room to play out their advantage, hence why LCD's could shine with their greater brightness (even though at home black levels tell a different story).

This is a decision making thread, so I don't think the argment that AMOLED's are preferred at purchasing time is that relevant. What's is more important how the displays will behave in every day use.

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It is a great video (and not just because she has her browser open on my thread at 40:00 :D:D:D).

Thanks for sharing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Nice. I see that you have both devices and that you also know what you are talking about. Would you be kind enough to do a comparison between the 2 phones and state what you like and don't like with each phone? No need for a vid just a post :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Becool0130:
Bro, you will ALWAYS hear one side of the fence if you want to be convinced by Samsung users. Well come on... Your in a Samsung forum area ;)

Suggestion: why don't you just post the same thread on the htc one forum. Perhaps with a title "Convince me To get the One"

Then you will get BOTH sides of the fence instead of this linear side.

Then you can make up your mind from there :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
The reason this thread is so long is because both phones are superb but they shine differently.

HTC One wins in low light for the camera and bright light for the display, S4 wins in bright light for the Camera and low light for the display...

The software side is rushed for the S4 but profuse, while the One focused on doing a few things very well (many of the S4 apps make me frown because they are poorly designed)

The features promoted for each are different - so can't really be compared

The designs are also so different.

Here is my take on the phones:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=41235916&postcount=493

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=41171482&postcount=459

I think at the end of the day it will depend on battery life for me. Battery life is the single most wanted feature on a phone right now based on a poll I ran:

http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2192572

At this itme, it is not yet clear which phone will have the best battey life or even IF there will be one that can outshine the other. I think

Samsung's software is already optimized for battery (low drain in standby). They can loose some by improving color accuracy or brightness but win some by downclocking CPU speed, so we will see only a marginal improvement over time. Just eyesterday I lost 26% just downloading a torrent without screen on, so I am thinking the app kept the processor at a higher clock for the whole time1

The HTC on the other hand also has some room for improvement (e.g. standby time) and can reduce brightness to S4 levels to add more battery.

I will continue testing this. I am quite surprise that the S4 does not give better battery life, but CPU overclok+bigger AMOLED seem to eat up the capacity surplus.

Both phones are great, the S4's bigger screen has about the same value as the improved sound and brigher display on the One, so I can't really let of of either of them.

I think in daily use the S4 is more ergonomic and confortable to use because of the bigger display, but Boomsound and the brighter display make me use the One when I need those attributes.

If none of the points above can make a make a break a decision, battery life and personal preference will decide.

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He already did.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Becool0130:
HTC One is not LAGGY. Honestly speaking, out of the box even us samsung fanboys/girls will tell you that samsung is super laggy. Why? Because it's full of useless bloatware and it's the kitchen sink. You'll have to root it then debloat it to get a fast feel.

Htc One comes with virtually no bloat and runs slick smooth out of the box. Needs no rooting for speed.

I suggest that you go in the store and do a comparison yourself then decide. Of course reading can't hurt either.

But seeing is believing...
[Galaxy S 4 General] bigox:
I had the HD2,it was an awesome phone lol.... :thumbup: but seriously back on topic, Samsung pulled an apple stunt with the S4 they shouldve called it the S3s. I'm still waiting for the S5 or Gnex lol...
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
He actually started two simultaneous threads with the convince me this is better blah blah. The thread on the one forums was closed as it should have been. Seemed a bit self serving to me and started flaming ( go figure).
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
I had the HTC One for nearly two months and have had my s4 now for about 24 hours and although I already prefer the s4 overall.I can tell you the One is faster at majority of things compared to the s4, typing in text messages is quicker on the one aswell then again HTC have always had the best keyboard imo. abolsutely great to work with.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mankvl:
What lag? it glitch sometimes if u run alot of apps, but i think its normal :) at leats with MDM firmware i have 0 lag.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Becool0130:
Well, it seems like a very simple fix to me then. The OP just needs to create it yet AGAIN in the HTC ONE general forum. I know it won't be taken down again.

I think I remember something like this...

I try to report this thread anyhow. It does result in flame wars. If I fail (you'll know if thread is still up within a few hours) then post this thread in htc one :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Thanks man, these 2 phones are so good in their own ways. No wonder Aaron from phonedog gave the dogfight a tie, I myself like these 2 a lot and its hard to pick one but I think the S4 is more suitable for me. I love big screens and love the ergonomics.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mchu6am4:
On software and hardware (except the speakers and plastic construction).. The s4 beats the one hands down... I gave the one a try for a week but it was missing some basic features never mind having advanced features!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Haluki_BR:
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/13/what-sundar-pichai-boss-of-android-thinks-of-samsung/

"Here’s my Samsung Galaxy S4. [Pichai holds up the phone.]"

Convinced now?
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Most of the people I'm talking about order it online - they didn't buy it for the OLED screen, but they much prefer it though, as it happens. Your argument might well be valid re: plasma screens though - but I do notice a difference as far as deeper blacks are concerned even on daytime. Depends on the TV I suppose.

As for day to day usage, I don't know how many people would have to use their phones a lot under direct sunlight to be honest. There probably are many, but personally most of the time I'm in direct sunlight is while walking and I would much rather not use my phone during walking :) But sure, there might be a lot of people who use it extensively outdoors under direct sunlight rather than in shade/indoors. So yeah, depends on whose "every day use" we're talking about here.

I agree though, that's one area LCDs by far outshine AMOLEDs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Test in the shop, purchase online. :) Or read comments in this thread.

I use my phone to walk me through to unknown locations so I have to use it while walking :) also I am very busy, so I keep reading pages, looking up phone numbers and information while walking. I can't stop and sit on a bank to do so :laugh:

Also, if you want to take advantage of the S4's camera you need to use it outside :)

If you use your phone mainly indoor, then the One's camera and Boomsound would be fantastic for you. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
I highly doubt it, but whatever :)

Good for you then, you can always stick with a good LCD phone, aka HTC One now :) I don't use Camera much, and not planning on buying S4 but FYI - but indoor doesn't necessarily translate into low light or outdoor bright, direct sunlight. I have tried out my N2 indoors and it gives decent shots unless it's really low light - and I don't rate it's camera all that much. I reckon S4 should be much better.

As for speakers, I always use earphones/headset regardless of where I am. Agree re: Camera though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Sort of.

You can't use Zoe in low light because it fixes the ISO level

You can't use zoom with Zoe

If you don't use Zoe some features are unavailable because they are handled via post processing vs. upfront selection on the SGS4

Spontaneous action shots are near impossible with Zoe as there's a one second pre-amble before the shutter turns "green"

4MP of detail drastically limits your ability to zoom and crop

HTC's always had post processing issues and the oil painting affect is in full force on the One and it's made worse in low light.

The One's camera isn't very good outside of being able to capture scenes in really low light situations you wouldn't be able to capture with other cameras and having a faster exposure which helps with action shots. IMHO, the SGS4's camera is a much better "all arounder."
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
-You can use zoe in lowlight situations. The made zoe pictures look the same as a normal auto mode picture

-You cant zoom in a zoe. But u can pick 1 of the 20(?) pictures, save it and edit/zoom as much as u want

-If i know that i want to do some editing, i make a zoe. So, where is the difference? In the S4 i have to select the mode befor i take a picture. If I normally take photos without zoe and i know that i want to some action shot for example, i just enable zoe with one click. Easier then with the s4 and with double the resolution on action shots (4 vs 2MP)

-Spontaneous action shots nearly impossible? I press the shutter and the zoe is done in 1.5 seconds. So i have a total record time of 3 seconds to capture the action i want.

-Thats true, but shouldnt be a problem in most scenarios. Or do you zoom on every picture u made? (That doesnt mean that 4MP is enough! Its a compromise)

-The pictures you´ve posted are pretty old now. There are plenty of great shots from the one even in daylight. (And yes, i know the s4´s stills are better outside, but the One is definitly not bad!)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
And to people that feel that way the idea of using a smartphone camera is disgusting. I'd guess the majority of people just point and shoot and for non-photophiles how well their smartphone camera does that is what it will be judged on. HTC pushed the hell out of ImageSense and the F/2.0 aperture last year and it fell on deaf ears; partly because the end result didn't blow people away. And outside very low light performance neither does the camera in the One. The iP5s camera is supposed to be 12MP, have HDR, be better in low-light, and have "dual shot" and Apple will spend gazillions marketing the hell out of why those things should be important to people. Coincidentally those are the same features Samsung's pushing in the SGS4. Once again HTC's out in left field with a unique approach they have no money to market so people don't even know what their unique approach means or why they should care. And when the iP5s lands "how many megapixels does this phone’s camera have?" will be a question the masses will be trained to ask. And back to your original point, for people that really do rely on their smartphones as their primary camera, the Galaxy Zoom will mostly likely be the best choice. Even if it isn't, Samsung has the marketing money to convince people it is and that if 13MP is "good" 16MP is even "better." Where does that leave HTC's 4MP camera?

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/05/13/samsung-galaxy-s4-zoom-photo/

You keep going in to the minutia of why the One's so much better when the incremental benefit described is meaningless in the overall purchasing decision to most people. You’ve mentioned screen brightness as a huge One benefit. The SGS3's display was dismal in that regard and PenTile to boot and it outsold the One X 10:1. And people here on XDA had the benefit of that knowledge in advance and bought it any way. That tells me it either didn't matter (or it was good enough) or other virtues of the device made a less bright display a livable issue. If someone’s already decided they want a One or SGS4 I highly doubt the camera alone or 20% brighter browsing is going to change their mind (either way) and harping on the significance in this thread isn't going to change that.

HTC's made some bold moves this year and they have huge balls for going their own way and against the norm; especially when the entire future of the company depends on the success of a single device. We'll see how their unique choices (aluminum, dual frontal speakers, Zoe/UltraPixels, BlinkFeed, and non-expandable storage) influence sales as quarterly earnings are reported throughout the year. Based on what I posted above from early trending they are off to a rocky start and Samsung hasn’t even taken their gloves off yet. The funny thing about critical acclaim and loyal fans which the One seems to have plenty of is that neither pay the bills.

Post your best picture somewhere at full-detail and let's see if the post processing issues have been addressed which are totally unrelated to 4MP vs. 13MP.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
I don't think anyone is surprised about the dna. The butterfly drove most of the revenue. But that's moot as we have seen the first quarter financials from htc. To early to tell about the one. I for one am horrified by a smart phone market where Samsung and apple are the only real options.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
When it is convenient to you, you say that a device is bad because it is outsold. But when someone praised a competitor device, you say it doesn't matter because Samsung has the millions to mute competition. Which invalidates your original point..

You generalize and take many shortcuts.

HTC still make profits and their marketing is going strong. Saying they have no money is disfiguring reality. I can assure you everyone is very aware of the One here in Germany. You see HTC everywhere, ads in cinemas, metro stations plus the press and early adopters have already contaminated the remaining population. Even my father who lives in France has heard about the HTC One and he NEVER knows about any new phone...LOL. SO HTC is definitely doing something right in Europe! In Dubai it is outselling the S4. In many U.S. stores the One is trailing not far behind the S4!

My waitress at my favourite Thai restaurant told me: I love the device, it has such a great camera, and her boss said this is going to be her next phone as a result...Where do you think she got that idea from if the camera is so inferior? HTC Marketing may have helped a little, don't you think?

Photographs DO rely on smartphone cams as a secondary camera more than you like to think (did you check the link?). They crave snapshots even when they don't have their main camera with them, very few want to miss special moments. A friend of mine who is a photograph does just that and also said that the natural looking colors of the came was what decided him together with the snappier focus and overall Software features. It is not about accuracy, it is about capturing impressions on-the-go.

HTC is playing at the emotional level. I think Samsung isn't building that kind of rapport with the S4 this year. And Apple have lost that emotional connection since Steve has left us, so much that you see people "cheating on" Apple with HTC and Blakberry..

You can pour more dollars into marketing to neutralize competition, sure, but it doesn't make your brand anymore repectable in the long run. if it does not embody values that people can identify with. Samsung need to be careful not to fall into the same mouse trap that Apple has fallen prey to. The evil brand that brainwashes people, manipulates masses with mass-marketing and makes huge profits out of fake quality. HTC plays a melody that many want to hear. It may be just undetones right now, but do not understimate the power of the tech press and early adopters. Samsung had better not become complacent and start removing those LAGS!!!

Dollars don't buy everything - certainly not my freedom to choose....

"All revolutions are the sheerest fantasy until they happen; then they become historical inevitabilities.” ― David Mitchell

"People create idols to better destroy them". ― Maria Callas.

ImageSense and the F/2.0 aperture - never heard about it last year. I am wondering has changed...You tell me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bigox:
Wow!!! All of a sudden everyone is a camera expert. People it's just a effin phone!!! Lol...
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Barry calm down. You are beating a dead horse. No one is contesting that Samsung has been outselling HTC for almost two years now.

The figures you point are actually very good for HTC in terms of web traffic. You need to wait for the end of Q2 to draw conclusions on the HTC One.

But those figures are irrlevant in this thread. This is not a thread to determine which brand will sell better (unless I misunderstood the OP's question). So that's why you see people taking about every strength and weakness of each phone, and I don't think it is up to you to set standard as to which strenghts can be discussed or put forward and which can't. This is a free forum and I don't understand why it bothers you when the slightest advantage is being put forward for the HTC One?

I don't understand why it is so visceral for you and that the HTC One needs to have ZERO selling points. Many users here including myself have aknowledged many good points to the S4, I think you are going too far in the way you belittle every advantage of the One and then blow out some infinitesimal advantages of the S4 out of proportion.

Just face reality and accept the fact that Samsung didn't do the great job everyone expected them to do. There is a reason for the enthusiam generated around the HTC One, and one of them is Samsung and One of them is HTC. Please give credit where credit is due.

No one is saying HTC will outsell Samsung, seeing as they were not even a relevant player last year - the simple fact that articles feel the need to clearly state that the One is behind the S4 is testament to the perceived menace that HTC represents this year for Samsung (but also for Apple).

Why do you think everyone including you feels the need to outshout the tech press? HTC is back to relevancy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
[MENTION=307506]barry[/MENTION], there is no doubt the S4 will outsell the One. Samsung's marketing and advertising muscle is stupendous. If the S4 doesn't outsell the One it would be complete and utter fail on their part. That being said, I am one of the few in this thread that own both the One and S4 (I9500 variant). Out of the box, stock for stock, the One is the better device. The unfinished FW the S4 shipped with was a bit of a joke. The amount of lag on a so called high end flagship device is unacceptable even by mid-range phone standards.

Of course, the One had it's own teething build issues with their zero gap manufacturing process and early adopters felt the pain. I got a later batch so didn't have that problem.

That being said, there is a lot to like about both devices. Consumers need a choice and for HTC the One was an excellent release for all Android users. I use the S4 as my daily driver currently because the pros outweigh the cons (battery life on the S4 is superb, I get almost 50% more with identical usage).

The beautiful thing about the internet is that you can always find data to support any view you want. But until you own both devices and use them for more than a couple of minutes/hours it would be difficult for me to recommend the S4 over the One. Each device has the good and their bad and it really comes down to personal preference. In this past I would be hard pressed to say such a thing with all the misses that HTC has had. But on their latest device, they hit a homerun.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I am no expert in photography but I am an audiophile, videophile and opera singer.

I react in emotional ways to tech device. Some people think you should buy based on who spends the most money trying to convince you. This feels like an American presidential election to me!

I guess in Europe we have a more romantic way of life, where we dare go with our own opinions instead of with the most dollar-pushed ideas. I am a bit baffled that to some this seems like such an odd thing to do...
[Galaxy S 4 General] jj03:
Non removable battery, lack of sd slot, worse outdoor performance, camera wise, plus, having used both s4 and the one, i much prefer the s4. The htc is lovely, blah blah blah, but i much prefer the gs4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
Being an audiophile, what's your impression of the One versus the S4. I have both and to my non-audiophile ears on a pair of high-end Bose, the S4 sounds better to me. The wolfson DAC is still the top dog IMO, although the One does sound good in comparison (just not as good as the S4). One of my friends who is more of an music lover than I am said immediately the S4 through headphones sounded better than my One (while the external speakers sounded better on the One).