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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
People are questioning the purchase since some of the patents they bought weren't upheld in litigation. In other words they didn't get what they thought they got. Patent wars are like real wars though. If someone has a big military opponents are less likely to attack them. Google bought a huge "army" of patents in the Motorola deal so it's kind of an insurance policy against suits from others and you won't know until you're in front of a judge how the wind will blow.

They sold Motorola's set top box unit for $2.5B so the deal cost them about $10B. $10B to Google's like pissing in the ocean. ;) Even if Motorola's turn-around is successful, like said above, the margins in mobile h/w suck and will drag down Google's financials. It wouldn't surprise me if Google sold-off Motorola at some point at a price less than they paid as being in the h/w business isn't really complimentary to everything else they do. Even Google Glass is proof-of-concept and a vehicle for delivering Google's revenue generating services (search, media, content) in new ways. Everyone thinks Google's going nuts about Samsung's success. They could care less as all Google wants is to reach people with their services and Samsung’s spending $12B a year in promotion to do that so Google doesn’t have to. Now if Samsung tried to get in the way of Google’s revenue streams you'd see a Holy War like no other. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Number of HTC trolls in this thread is quite astonishing.. I am quite sure there is a HTC One forum somewhere.

These guys are just like Lumia fanboys. Just go to wpcentral forum, and you will get an idea what I mean. These HTC-guys behave same.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Well a thread like this wouldn't be allowed in the One forum. I think the guys with a One bring a bit of balance to the discussion, would be a bit boring if it was just Sammy fanboys back-slapping each other for buying a phone from a company in such a fantastic financial position :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
I agree, both sides have nutjobs. They cancel each other out nicely in this thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] OllieArmageddon:
Not sure if already mentioned.

The S4 has the inability to learn new IR codes. So if your equipment is not in the apps database then the remote would be useless. HTC can learn the codes as it's a blaster and receiver. S4 is just a blaster.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Its made it to almost 100 pages without being closed. That alone is an accomplishment. ;)

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The HTC and Samsung TV apps are both white label versions of Peel. Samsung's used Peel on the G-Tabs for a year. There are several hundred brands of TVs stored; same thing with AV. If you can't find a code or the ones contained for your brand don't work this pops up. Peel usually responds in 24 hours telling you how to use an already installed code or that they'll include the code in the next update. They update the app a couple of times a month. I'm not say HTC's approach isn't better; but it's not a lost cause with Samsung if a code someone needs isn't currently available. I use Peel to control about a dozen pieces of equipment and can answer any questions people might have.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jj03:
Finally got mine..mrs charged it for me. Used it on my night shift..tryin to hammer the battery...sims not active yet, so i turned everything on at 10pm..gps, wifi, eye scrolling, etc, and as of now, just finished work and at home (finishes at 7am, two hour bus journey either way..) the phone is on 4 percent...also played bejewelled blitz for two hours total on phone). Very impressed so far...the screen punches you in the face soon as you see it. Bit of lag here n there, but nothing a rooting and clearout of the unnecessary apps should clean that right up. Cycling the battery properly will really help too. Phone ain't going anywhere near my pocket lol. Still in box, in my manbag, on its own until i can get a good cover for it. Carrying my nexus 7 and galaxy s/2 phones also.. man, my gs2 suddenly feels very old...
[Galaxy S 4 General] rocketpaul:
The choice between the one and the s4 is simply personal preference. I am bored of the galaxy series, if you look at my sig you will see i have owned almost all of them!

the s series definitely has better email and calendar integration thats for sure.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Manoj143:
With all due respect,what u are doing in a sammy forum...
[Galaxy S 4 General] rocketpaul:
If you are referring to me, why shouldn't I be on a samsung forum? Am I not welcome?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Manoj143:
My dear,its not for u...ur comments are welcome,i am following this forum as still I am in confusion which phone to buy...and I am in the same boat like u...i mean I used all the galaxy series and wanted a change but it seems to me that the change will not be a gud decision...my earlier post was about a person named Basil3 whose comment is actually not welcome in this forum...i hope u are enjoying ur fantastic phone...
[Galaxy S 4 General] rocketpaul:
Well in that case I will try to help you out

Having used all the galaxy phones in the past, i began to take a number of its features for granted.

Mainly its brilliant root free customisation.

(notification, key backlight duration, Vibration patterns,%battery option etc are all customisable)

S features,

It flawless media support

It brilliant development support.

However I just became bored with the galaxy series (mainly because I have essentially used the phone interface for 3 years).

When the s4 came out it even looked the same as s3.

The one is a very solid phone, not nearly as functional as my Note 2/s3/s4 (nothing can compare to the note 2 battery).

Its just feels like a quality device which seems to have taken priority for me recently.

It also has brilliant speakers and i spend a lot of time listening to radio.

No, the battery is not removable (never took it out of my previous devices).

No, there is no micro SD slot, but i failed to use half of the 32gb stick i had in the note 2 so this wasnt an issue for me personally.

Yes the screen is sharp but i cant say its much better than the note 2 from arms length (a lot better in sunlight though)

The camera on the note2/s3 was sharper ( cant say i used it much though)

Ultimately, I think i have just grown out with messing around with my device I want something solidly built and simple (also smaller than the note 2) and the htc one does the job for me. I know the s4 definitely has more features (many of which i miss) and if you are new to samsung this phone will probably have more to offer you than the htc one (expect for the build and speakers) but for a samsung veteran like myself It is time for me to move on. I will probably come back once samsungs designs excite me again.

Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps someone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
If you are not open to anyone else's opinion, then this is not the place for you. I have owned the Galaxy S, S3, Note 2, and will be getting the S4 on upgrade in the next month or so.......so why am I not allowed here?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Manoj143:
My dear basil3, I am not someone who is even allowed to tell u that u are not allowed here....but remember ur last comment...dont u think commenting like that in a sammy forum is useless and attacking....i hv the capabilities to accept and honour other's opinion...but such comment is really not welcome.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Maybe English isn't your first language, but it was said tongue-in-cheek. I thought the :p at the end gave that away....
[Galaxy S 4 General] Manoj143:
I dont understand how that is related with my first language...i found the comment attacking...if thats not true,i am sorry...and anyway,forget it..i think our discussion is out of the topic and might be boring for others..
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Well, I guess these conversations can now be continued here :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I find your caricature harsh and overly reductive. I have studied at one of Europe's top three business schools and even though my job is not in Finance, I do think I have the foundation to understand financials. :)

Im always garateful for your number finding, but I don't need it to be force-fed to me ;)

What is their current level of debt?

Lies. If no one were buying them, their sales would be zero. That much I understand about company financials. ;)

If you can make this analysis, so can financial analysts. That's what Investment Banks are for. Valuing deals. The price is definitely an important issue but not necessarily an obstacle to a deal considering it is not a fixed dimension.

Exactly, why would anyone who isn't already in smartphones want to enter such a tumultuous business. Too many barriers to entry to grow such a business organically. ;)

The real question, though, is whether the combined entitry, which would de facto "already" be in the smartphone segment, could run a profitable business. You mentioned one of the main issues of HTC being their supplier status drowgrade. However combining the volume of Asus and HTC would give the new entity a critical mass that would allow tu churn in larger profits. The main thorn in HTC's balance sheet would be removed.

And here you mention the second thorn in HTC's balance sheet. Such a deal would remove the lack of relevance and wherewithal if we trust is Asus's competence.

I don't think analysing a company's value independently from the post-deal value is what the prevalent M&A valuation models do. I don't think the discussion should be on the current status of HTC. The market has already factored this in.

The only question in the room is whether the merged entity would be in a position to generate profits in the extended smartphone segment, for example though synergies in marketing, purchasing, manufacturing, R&D, distribution channels and human resource rationalizing. It is a risk versus return calculation.

Let's see how the rest of HTC's product line fares, though? Throughout your analyses, you make it sound as if the HTC One is the only attraxtive device they have in the pipelaine. When all of their 2013 line up has been launched, we can draw more conclusions on full year financials.

PS: I absolutely love the design of the HTC Desire 600.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jmath679:
Well I don't know about anybody else, but this thread is now thoroughly dead to me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I don't think they suck. They are just unenly distributed. But yes, I catch your drift. I don't think we have reached the end of the mobile gadget evolution but some are better poised than others.

I agree. If they had any intention of being in the hardware segment, they would have used internal capabilities for their Nexus and Chrome devices. Instead they continue to strike bargain deals with other maunufacturers.

Agree. The same is true of Apple, Microsoft and Sony, though to a lesser degree, with more or less success.

That's also what Google's new Android boss meant when he said "Samsung is a great partner to work with". :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
+1 unsubscribing

it can't take that long to decide on a phone

and after all the comments, i could see someone not buying either

but, it was entertaining--:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
haha, I know right? You are my hero. Thank you for caricaturing thread bashers. The fact that we achieved an extra star and keep the discussion lively is proof that even controversial threads like this one can produce interesting content.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I am actually love the discussion going around here :)

You, basil, Barry and several more users are a great persons to discuss about this kind of thing with :highfive:

Yes, there are trolls here and there, but on the bottom line, a great discussion :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Since we're trotting out pedigrees I've worked in private equity and evaluated and closed multiple billion-dollar deals. I stand by what I've shared. If you know anyone who's got a similar background to mine show them the information I've posted. I'd be surprised if their opinion was any different. If there's all this hidden value in HTC you describe why, when they've been trading at a 75% discount to their peak value for nine months, has no one approached them? Here's a helpful tip for after you graduate. Emotion and financials don't belong in the same room and the numbers sans emotion always paint a pretty clear picture.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I want everyone to explain to me, if HTC sells so well, why they need to give 300$ trade up in canada:

http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-tradeup-canada-215528/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
This was mentioned a couple of pages back and I've been playing with it. It

is

pretty cool. Rather than use the Samsung version which does a file check and runs only on Samsung laptops, the generic version doesn't have any restrictions and has all the Samsung-esqe features in it. You can control and edit anything on your device. You can also do file transfers from the device to the PC which you can't do in the Samsung version. It works great over Wi-Fi too so you don't have to enable USB debugging and connect it via cable.

Here's the link to the downloads (exe/apk). Don't use the Play APK as it doesn't contain the Samsung skins.

http://www.mobizen.com/en/
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Hahahaha
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
HTC only has a couple of hundred million for marketing and promotion. And that includes in-store materials, collateral, online content, the "live" road shows they are doing, and "rebate" programs. Typically the lion's share is spent during the 90 days surrounding the launch. So as time elapses you'll see fewer mentions of the One. And the graphic I posted that shows their 2013 estimated earnings down 38% was the consensus of 24 financial analysts that cover HTC. They base their opinion on the performance of the overall market, the competitive environment, breadth of distribution, component pricing and the like. It would be pretty surprising if some event occurs that would cause that number to be off one way or the other by more than 10%.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I disagree, I like this thread quite a bit. It has become a hangout spot for galaxy s 4 and HTC one owners (and everybody else) to give their opinion and discuss things. And there hasn't been any major trolling that's why the thread is still opened.

Plus the Barry vs puremind analysis is really really really good. I love it!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
And you're not open to differing opinions. I learned that in the display thread you started in the One forum. From that thread I also deduced you were young. I also think you’re incredibly bright. Here's the difference between you and me. I've learned a lot from some of what you posted because you made some valid points I either didn't know or thought of differently. You're pretty ridged when it comes to rethinking your positions and that won't serve you well over time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
You could simply wrote he is "narrow-minded" ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
That's true
[Galaxy S 4 General] mazdamiata210:
I have a note 2 which I love however I was in the sprint store earlier this week with a friend and I was using the htc one and it isn't a bad little phone. Comparing it to my experience on the s4 I'd go with the htc one over the s4. Fortunately for me I have a note 2 which is the best phone on the market at the moment so I have no need to downgrade to either of the two.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Yet it isn't a downgrade. Twist!
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Was it Q2, Q3 or FY2013?
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
I think puremind has a great knowledge of many subjects and puts my ass to shame. I also think certain people aren't comfortable with this so they try to discredit him with lame character assumptions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I think my last posts have either agreed with you or asked you to disagree with me on specific points in a convincing way. I agree that it takes more effort to make me change my mind but it is a hard-earned privilege steming from a lot of prior observation, listening and questionning (something you yourself are adept in).

I am very demanding when it comes to being convinced and I am grateful for your perseverence and sincerely hope that I have not yet discouraged you though my bad demeanour.

How young is young on xda?

I don't think I am particularly young but my boss who is close to retirement also sees me as young.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DesertHawk:
S4 FTW. Hate the HTC One. Had too many problems

~ Taylor_Swift
[Galaxy S 4 General] jmath679:
Man, I knew you were trouble when you walked in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DesertHawk:
But shame on me now.

~ Taylor_Swift
[Galaxy S 4 General] valentinrascu:
Ok, after 1 week of test, I can definitely say, galaxy s4 has a better camera.

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I think Barry's comment is fair. he said ridged and not narrow-minded, because I am the opposite of narrow-minded. I am always open to new ideas, always listening.

I think ridged says more about my attitude and my way of arguing with people, which has the potential to put off certain people, which I agree with. Maybe I should make my points of agreement more obvious. :)

I don't agree with the conclusion that it will not serve me well, because I am where I want to be, but that's simply because I am a pragmatic person and don't act in real life exactly the way I do here. Also, if I had found that my way did not get me further with Barry, I would have adapted my attitude. :)

I appreciate Barry's insights and I think that he was able to make me agree on many points, I don't think his intention was to discredit me, I think he has been very patient, especially tolerating some of my tone coming from someone who is apparently younger than him. It shows that even though he has a strong ego, he is still secure about himself to give credit where credit is due.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Very interesting comparison between the S600 and the exynos version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeRcKHF4bDc

Looks like the exynos version has the upper hand.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I think the OP wanted us to convince him that S4 is better than the HTC one, not which variant is better :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
That's just the price we have to pay for this thread being so popular. Prooves the point someone made earlier that this thread is the place to be. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
OP is long gone, we own this!
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
And we can have a great time in this thread :P

I think admins should change the name of this thread to general discussion thread...
[Galaxy S 4 General] fade2green514:
i have over 10 gigs of music on my 32gb and like 8 gigs of videos (right now)... i rotate stuff out to my 3 terabyte hard drive (might add another one of these to my comp if i find a deal) , but im considering updating to a 64gb sd so i dont have to rotate videos off it every other day ....

maybe i am truly the odd ball but i download like 3 gigs of stuff a day to it on average, and this is just with my droid 3 which is like 14mbps on the 3g verizon.... 2-3mbps benchmarked lol.... wondering how much i'll be downloading with my s4 haha
[Galaxy S 4 General] sixpoint1:
Lighter, thinner, easier/better feeling to hold, smaller yet has a fairly larger screen. Much better screen. More accurate whites than both the one and iphone and accurate colors in movie mode. OLED is the future and Samsung is the first one there.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Suraj.Udg:
I dont work for samsung...sorry! :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
I think either phone would be good as I've had quite a few hands on sessions and still like both. I've been reading about the apparent smearing issue on the S4s a little. Has anyone who has been giving constructive feedback on this thread been experiencing that on their S4?

Sent using XDA Premium on my OTA JB rooted XT910
[Galaxy S 4 General] mr_sock:
So how much htc paying you? Were you spamming gsmarena as well?
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
Wait to see if bigger size are released and then I'll tell ya!

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Ain't no babies related to that on the app side of the family ;) Sorry, another lame joke in regards to the storage space.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Wish I could ... but my wife wan't let me :crying:

BTW I'm a map(oholic) and navigation using my phone mean a lot to me (I have about 10 GB Vector maps).

Besides that I like to have a couple of movies on my phone (at the moment about 20 GB) and the latest NanDroid backups (3 GB) and latest firmware (1½ GB) and TiBa (1 GB) ... so guess why I chose any Samsung Phone over HTC One ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jutley:
Remember there can only be one and no it's not the htc one I went to the dark side the force is stronger here feel the force of the s4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
One would hope in 2013 people would not have to open their phones to pluck a 64MB MicroSD card into their devices:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andyfei/mini-microsd-reader-for-android-smartphones-and-ta

Requiring users to open their device to swap SD cards is not the clever way.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JawjaBill:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Pluses:

Larger screen

Good battery life - equivalent to LCD at lower brightness, or better with screen off (see below under minuses for battery life on bright content)

Bag of wonders and tricks

CPU/DDR3 Ram - the hardware is excellent (if maybe a bit overkill, was the overclocking really necessary, considering the stuttering and overheating?)

Hygrometer/thermometer is a really nice feature, generally the health app seems really nice

Best 13MP camera (better than Sony XZ, even though it is the same sensor...)

Minuses

Subpar design - looks a bit unfinished, glossy surface is a fingerprint magnet

Battery life at maximum brightness is lower than competing LCD devices - outdoor web browsing or GPS navigation will deplete battery because OLED screens are not energy efficient at producing bright content (they save energy on dark content as there is no light emission/backlighting) - most reviews test battery at 50% brightness or lower

OLED screen has bluish or (in Film Mode) greenish push (5960K color temperature - most reviews overestimate this by 500K because color meters can't measure OLED's accurately) - dim, dirty whites mean no fun for web browsing or outdoor use. The screen is great for film watching inside your house, though, where the recommended brightness is 120cd/m²

A bit unfinished/rushed - some features are buggy, the device stutters, overall you can tell Samsung were rushed by HTC to bring their device out

GPU - Surprisingly, even though the CPU heavy tests give it as a winner, the GPU intensive tests (e.g. 3DMark) show limitations for gaming vs. competing flagship devices.

Value for money - phone is more expensive but still feels cheap

In a nutshell, the S4 is a box of wonders for kids rather than the phone for style-craving adults. In a way it should be easy to choose, just decide in which market category you are. What should separate them is your life aspirations. If you are more on the nerdy experimenting side, the S4 has many tricks, if you like a slick, minimalistic, well polished device with great style, then the S4 is most definitely not for you.

Personally, I would end up shutting down all of those recognition features to preserve battery and I am a sucker for neutral display calibration, so the S4 is not the one for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Sgs4 kicks Htc ones butt. The one fans presence in this forum section is a clear sign of that...