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[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
Interesting about people carrying an extra battery. No one I know actually does this. Same with buying a microsd card. If it didn't come with the phone, they don't bother. After all this debate I still like both phones. It so depends on the user as each phone is good.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
The worse battery life they have. the more likely they are to want a replaceable battery. Therefore the distribution of those 52% is biased towards those with poor battery life.

Those with battery life on par with S4/HTC One or better have less chance to fall into those 52%. The point is, very few users will go through the hassle of charging two batteries when battery life is at that level or greater, because the hassle will far outweigh the utility.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Whoa, it's not just me that who things HOX display looks better then? I still rate it as my favorite LCD display ever. Gorgeous.

And as for smaller size, blame it on Note II for spoiling you for life :p

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They may or may not be. You never know what percent of this users have horrendous battery life, or are probably heavy users. I had HOX which theoretically still pretty well holds up in many areas re:battery, even better than the One. But for my usage it stinks, ergo I got Note II. So stop cherrypicking data and making wild assumptions.

And don't impose your views on what others may or may not do on everyone else. People might prefer removable batteries for various reasons. Just because you *think* it's a hassle and outweighs the pros, doesn't make it so.
[Galaxy S 4 General] satan66:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/htc-one-1131862/review/14#articleContent
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I agree, the one x display was/is amazing, and I would have been happy with it on the One.... But I guess they have to keep up with everyone else. It's still the best display I've seen, and amoled still isn't up to scratch for me.

I've said that many times. I know 4 or 5 'average consumers' with an S3. The only one with a spare battery is my girlfriend, because I have her mine. None of them have external SD.
[Galaxy S 4 General] qazibasit:
We are not the marketing people to convience u to get s4. If you want it go get it, or get the hell out of here and do ur own research.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I think it is other people who impose on us the imaginary need of an extra internal battery. This goes both ways I am afraid! At least through the polls we prooved the point that it is a minority who will have this need. That's all I wanted to rectify! I have not imposed on anyone the fact that charging two batteries in succession is more painful than charging an external battery while it charges the phone, though. That's just fact.

Or the fact that the S4 and HTC One survive 1 days of heavy usage (especially the One in terms of web browsing).

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Regarding the screen of the HTC One, could you describe what you mean by not impressed? Which aspect specifically did you not likeor found average?

Brightess? Was Power Saving Mode deactivated? (Power Mode divides brightness by 4) - even when auto brightness or maximum brightness has been selected!

Color Temperature? There are several color calibrations for the HTC One, see here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39461598&postcount=1

Color accuracy? All screens have near perfect colors

Why do you say it is "just a good looking phone" if you" didn't test BoomSound and all that"? it is not only good looking, it is seriously good in all compartments.
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
All this talking about the s4 and one is getting boring.

Let's talk about iphones instead

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[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
All has been said already but still i think its pretty lame to ask others such a question, you should do some investigation of your own plus go to the store and try them out before buying. What people say means little. Check the facts and make a decision. People prefer or value different thing.

Ex i hate aluminum cause it dents easily and want SD card so i go S4, others migh love aluminum and have little use for SD....
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Im seriously considering the LG optimus G pro, kinda wanna do something different this year. Tired of doing Samsung and HTC only.

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Obviously you love the One judging on how you defend it. Its cool. Im sure its a good phone. I didn't test it or anything, I just held it, checked the design, turned on the display and messed around with sense 5 a little. Overall I seriously wasn't impressed. This is going to sound crazy but I feel like the colors were too saturated ( yes lol) and I don't now, I just remember the first time I aw the One x display and how it blew me away, didn't happen with the One display. Sense is refined, ill give HTC credit for that but me personally, I think ill be bored with it after a week. Just my 2 cents.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
What on earth are you talking about? We "proved" nothing through these polls, you started it, and I merely retorted with another poll where significant amount of people happen to think that they would still prefer swappable battery over unibody design, even if the battery lasts average or more. As I said, the kind of battery life S4 and HTC One provides doesn't necessarily satisfy many users. That's just a fact? OMG, love how you say that - it takes like what, 10 secs to swap the battery, as opposed to either waiting the phone to get charged to use it or just use it while it's charging, you know, with the cords plugged in and everything - during which BTW you can't plug in your alleged penny sized usb drive. Sounds very convenient to me, swapping batteries - what a bloody hassle.

Seriously, speak for yourself. If you think that's convenient - more power to you. But to claim that using an external battery pack is objectively convenient than swapping batteries, LOL@that.

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LOL you obviously have lot of money to throw away, don't you? "Bored"? :silly: Would rather wait for Note III if I were you, I'm still loving my N2 :D

I wouldn't go near LG phones if it came packed with nuclear reactor to be honest. But that's just me :)

And was surprised to see the battery life was significantly worse than Note II. And for an FHD screen, not really impressed by what I saw, personally.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Some can't afford to wait 3.5 should before they go to bed to swap their internal batteries or get up during night to swap batteries for charging. If this is not hassle then what is? You need to do this bloody thing everyday. Have you ever possessed an extra internal battery and charged it every day? How often do you charge it, be honest about it!

And yes the polls proved something because even if the 52% population of users that need an extra internal battery were centered around 50% battery life and unskewed (which you say is possible) it means that the user of a phone with better battery than x% of the phone's in the market

has exactly (100-x)% chance of being in those 52%. So even assuming the S4/HTC One have better battery life than 80% of phones in the market, it means that only 0.2 * 0. 52= 26% will use an extra battery. And that's making all of the most conservative assumptions on everything to help build your case! I think it is more around 5% for the S4/HtC One population as a whole but my math studies are too far away to solve the equation with differently shaped curves.

The fact is, with devices with good battery life only a fraction of the population will want the hassle of charging two batteries, those are the users with heavy needs like you, who maybe don't have to work 8 a day or develop a social life during weekends and can spend 10 hours to exhaust their two batteries and another 7 hours to charge them, 3.5 hours of which is also awake time ? If you ask me that's a smartphone centric life. But hey to each his own! Ever considered a phone with better battery life than 95% of smartphones the market? It seems like the better choice for you. Stop making everyone here paranoid about their battery life and need for an extra internal battery and go find a phone that suits your heavy needs.

Either way all this ranting about the need for additional battery is not going to help convince the OP. He will be scared away and wait for the Note 3. Just saying...
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Someone who buy an extra battery will buy as well a charging kit for it so you don't need to wake up to swap the batteries...
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Um:

http://www.handtec.co.uk/samsung-ga...muegstd.html?gclid=CNj3p8TO_7YCFYwt6wodUjsAfA

I haven't but I know people who do. I haven't traveled much since I bought my Note II, but sure as heck I would carry a spare, extended or otherwise, if I am. And who said this is for everyday use? Jesus Christ. The point is, if NEEDED they can just swap this in, hassle free. Otherwise they might as well get a good extended battery (which again is possible with the removable battery, for the record) - and many do too, even with phones like Note 2 with incredible battery life.

I'm sorry where did you get this data from exactly, if I may know?

I have no reason to make this assumption. Again as I said, battery tests are not representative at all of real life usage. It's as close to objective as it gets, but that doesn't mean every single person would get 5-6 hours screen on time or anything many would fall in the 4-5 range too.

Um, I'm not here to convince anyone - OP can make his choice after doing some research. I was addressing your posts trivializing the relevance of removable battery and expandable storage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] elucid:
First of all: they are both great phones. It's not like we are comparing to an iphone ;) Secondly, just because you own a phone doesn't mean need to argue and convince everyone that it is the best phone. It is simply the phone you believe is best for you.

For me having a removable battery is very important because my last two phones batteries started becoming significantly weaker after only one year (down to 60% of a new battery capacity). It wasn't a big deal because I just bought new batteries and I was back to full capacity.

The other personal choice is I LOVE AMOLED screens. Not everyone is a fan, but I LOVE the deep blacks. Other may prefer the HTC phone and neither of us is wrong.

I'm not in love with the look of the ONE. I don't really like the silver aluminum, but I completely understand that people love it.

I do like the speakers and camera on the ONE, but these are not enough to sway me towards the phone.

Just my 2 cents.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
That's one thing I've never understood. I truly believe people buy into the hype of Amoled blacks being good. To me, they are the weakness of the screen for more than one reason.

First, Amoleds get ink spots, which you can see when watching a movie with a dark screen in a dark environment. They are very off-putting, and also show that the deep black isn't really a true black, as those ink spots are a whole lot blacker.

Also, you lose all detail in dark areas of a picture on an Amoled screen. It's like it can't differentiate different shades of darkness, and just makes it into one big black blob.

I heard that the S4 doesn't suffer as much from these problems, but I've also heard that it does. When I read the rumours of the S4 having an LCD screen, I was hoping it was true.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
So that's it right? Finally we have it. Thank you for finally making sense. That was the truth others were careful not to mention and exactly where I wanted to go with this. 70USD spent on accessories. Punished twice for not buying the phone with the battery life you needed. This finishes to convince everyone that extra batteries only apply to a marginal fringe of the population.

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I agree about the too high gamma at the lower end of the luminance spectrum for the S2 and S3. This was a conscious calibration choice to save battery. The reviews have reported correct gamma on the s4 in film mode. I will test this week and report back.

Regarding the Ink spots, to be fair, at such low luminance (below 0.05cd/m2) you should not notice this with your naked eye. No more than LCD backlight bleed. But in my opinion the whites are more important for an on-the-go device and they are more of a weakness. Also the fact that colors will shift over time due to burn in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] damosuk:
Only thing to make you choose s4 ?

Multi-window ! Not enough IMO.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
What type of dramatization are you going on about now? $150 for accessories? are you out of your mind? :eek:

Obviously a spare anker battery + external charger is only going to cost around $20. Less than what a lot of people spend on a measly case :rolleyes:

Me too! :good:

- 1080p

- IPS screen

- MicroSD slot

- Removable battery

- 32gb standard on lowest model

- No lag noted by reviewers (unlike the S4)

- $199 price w/ contract (unlike samsungs greedy $299 price w/ contract for note II)

Plus you know LG is a hungry underdog that will be fighting tooth and nail for market share... unlike samsung who is comfortable at the top :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
To me that's the real pro of a removable battery. Battery wear down after 1 year, though I'd say it is closer to 10% after one year, especially without fast charge activated. That's a reasonable choice people can make after one year: sustain the old with a new battery OR ebay away the old and buy the next generation smartphone with better battery life. I see a use for both depending on financial constraints.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndroidOwnsAll:
Its a samsung device far advanced than the one
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziphnor:
I doesn't think it makes sense to say either is objectively better, but i can explain why i am planning on getting the s4 after having compared them in a shop (just waiting to see what happens on Google IO first :).

Anyway, it is mostly a combination of screen size, weight and dimensions. The S4 is simply lighter and thinner while offering a bigger screen. When i tried them out, the HTC One seemed a bit outdated visually because so much of the phone area is something else than the screen.

Additionally the brighter blacks were pretty evident after just having tried out the AOMLED screen on the S4. I dislike the over-saturated colors of the AMOLED screens, but as it can be adjusted i prefer them anyway.

Regarding materials, i dislike the metal feel of the One, it looks kind of cool, but i don't like the cold feeling it has. That doesn't mean i love the plastic use on the s4 though. From the look of it, it appears to have texture, but when you touch it, it feels too smooth. I really wish they had gone with a rubbery back like on my trusty old HTC Desire and my Nexus 10. Finally, i know what happens to aluminium after a while ( i had an ebook ready with an alu back), its not pretty.

Finally, while a minor thing, i tried out the various "smart" features of the S4, and while some of them very completely unreliable and gimmicky ( smart scroll / eyetracking in general), i found the Air View / Gesture to be interesting and potentially useful ( i frequently use my phone as a recipe book when cooking :). Still i wouldn't base my decision on those.

The whole sd-card/battery/non-unibody thing is not a major thing for me. though its nice that i can reuse my 32gb microsd card and that the S4 is more likely to be fixable if something should break.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
You were too fast. I was in a restaurant when I was typing this, and briefly saw that the Samsung dock quoted at 100 USD in an article, but then I checked best price web sites and corrected it to 70 USD. I corrected this within 2 min before reading your message.

http://www.cyberport.de/?DEEP=A609-3A2&APID=6

Still I would prefer to put that money into a new phone rather than sustain the old.

When you sell your old device after 1 year just before the new generation one is announced, you usually only loose 40%, so that you can use the 350 EUR you make with the money you saved on accessories to buy the new generation device. It is totally worth it

The only thing that stopped me with LG is the less classy software and software support and somewhat lower performance. Still a good phone. What about Experia ZL? I love the fact that it doesn't use up space for capacitative buttons anymore and uses the screen itself to display them, so that for video playback and browsing you can have more space!

The XZ had a horrible display with 500.1 contrast, but the XZL is brighter than the HTC One and has very accurate color tracking too:

600cd/m² brightness!

1300:1 contrast

Full greyscale around 6700K average (this is better than HTC One)

Primaries and secondaries average Delta E below 4 (about same as HTC One)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Well done. What you write is a perfectly balanced view and does make sense. I personally feel the HTC One looks more futuristic due to allowing space for stereo loudspeakers instead of filling more of the space with the display. I just wish it has screen buttons like the XZL, so that it maintains those speakers while still making room for a slightly bigger screen, but this is high level nitpicking on my part. It would make it look even more futuristic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] maggot_ff:
Not to go off-topic, but i just want to make a few things clear.

Ink spots can not bee seen while watching movies, as they are unseeable as long as there is another colour than black on the screen. The slightest contrast makes them unseeable. Also, they are only existent on Amoled screens that do not turn off the pixels completely when displaying a black image.

Black crushing on the other side is a big problem, though Samsung seems to have fixed this with the S4. My S2 and S3 were quite bad, my Note 2 was better but not perfect, but the S4 is so good that it really isn't an issue anymore, though this will probably vary from phone to phone, as i have seen some S3's with little to no black crushing/clipping as well. But the overall verdict is that the S4 seems to have got this problem handled.

That being said, sure amoled has it's limitations, but it's a pretty new technology for us consumers, and the fact that Samsung is pushing it is good for us, as amoled in a few years will probably be superior to any current, widespread display technology, with it's deep blacks, quick response time and superb viewing angles. I for once can't wait to change out my plasmas and LCD's at home for amoled displays in some years.

As for color reproduction the HTC wins hands down, but i never really use my phone for editing photos or watching movies the best possible way, i have separate displays for that.

When it comes to screens on these two, I would call it a draw. Just depends on personal preference.

As for convincing the OP that the S4 is better than the One, i can't. They are both great, and you won't be disappointed by either. Besides, why stress about it, you'll be keeping it for what..? maximum 2 years? Unless you are like me... My better half says I have a disorder of some sort... :cyclops:

Anyways, i went with the S4 for now, mainly because of screen size, but who knows, i might get the HTC One as well. Unless they unveil something really mouthwatering soon... *mumbles something about Nexus*
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Erm. Ink spots can be seen while watching movies...this is not an opinion, rather fact, because I could see them with my S3 and Note 2. Can't comment on the galaxy s as I never watched a movie on that.

You'd be surprised how many dark scenes can be in a movie and (at least in my case) your eyes start drifting to where the ink spots are.
[Galaxy S 4 General] maggot_ff:
Strange, i never even noticed ink spots when watching movies on either my S3 or Note 2, as no scene in movies are pitch black. Always some contrast to the image. Then again, i never really watch full length movies on my phone in complete darkness, but even when i tried, i didn't notice the ink spots. Only saw them when i tested the screen with a totally black screen in a pitch dark room. Anyway, i watch movies on my tv. :p my phone is for an episode of some tv series when i am waiting for something or stuff like that.

And i'm not really surprised by how many black screens there are in a movie. lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
+1. I've mentioned the same too. I watch videos in complete darkness almost every day, and I'm yet to notice the blotches. It's only bothersome when you turn on the inverted browsing in the dark - then the blotches are visible when it comes to low brightness - static pages. If there's some nearly lit areas near that - which is mostly the case with movies, you'll never notice it.

And not to mention you can see this only in a pitch black room. If that still bothers you, fair enough. For many of us, it's hardly noticeable. So I dunno why you find it so hard to "understand" why a lot of us love the deeper blacks of AMOLED. I absolutely love the deep blacks like 99% of the time, and the blotches is a fair trade off for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
A little off topic but I have ink spots on my RAZR and have never noticed them whilst using it. It's really a non issue.

What did make me laugh a bit was how adamant the Samsung users were against super amoled screens (the RAZR had it but the galaxy S2 didn't) right up until Samsung started using them on the S3. Suddenly, they were ok, lol.

THE new LG and probable Motorola smartphone look interesting too. Both should be out by the time I upgrade. Even more choice (not always a great thing to ease the decision making process) :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Super Amoled screens are in Samsung's flagships since the galaxy s...
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
I thought the galaxy S2 didn't use the Pentile arrangement of the super amoled screens?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
Wrong on that one. Most have noted that they're either the same or the One is slightly better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MultiLockOn:
Lol what? All of the galaxy s handsets have used amoled panels. The s2 and note 2 have been non penile full rgb sub pixel arrays

Swyped from a minimalist S2
[Galaxy S 4 General] skibadee:
Never been lcd on ANY galaxy s, always SAMOLED
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] skibadee:
Sorry I quoted the wrong post. I meant this one

Which suggests that you believed Samsung never used super amoled in S1 or S2

No mention of Pentile in that one ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ffsbro:
LOL, if he has indeed done that, I too congratulate you sir. Well played bro.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
Someone buying S4 + case etc will for sure shell out the 70 dollar if they are in need of extra battery. Also for me i am more practical and know that the battery will be less efficient in a year since i do charge it quite allot so i prefer to have it removable even if i dont use a secondary battery today. I did however used to have 2 batteries and charger when i was working abroad and the charger was a tiny amount considering what i gained. sitting at customer site and talking on phone allot dont allow for charging time. Not everyone need the second battery but still its more preferable to have it compared to get a shiny aluminum shell. Also personally i dont like aluminum since it gets scratches soooo easily, i should know having iphone as well.

Its good users can have choices and One is for sure a good phone as well but i do perfer S4 for SD+battery+camera plus all the cool features.

To each his own :)