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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
No S4 users on the One forum :laugh:? There are enough...

This is an open forum and the only forum on xda where comparissons between devices are allowed (In the one forum for example threads like this get insta deleted). So where is the problem if both sides discuss?

I bought the one and never regreted it yet.

I took a look on the s4 in the market 2 days ago. It just confirmed me with my decision.

I prefer devices that feel and look premium if i pay a premium price. Thats all ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Yes, I called that sensory features in another post.

Have you used the S4, like really? It does lag/stutter. What better performance are you talking about? The SAR is 7.4 on the HTC One. Also, as I explained in anoher post, the CPU is not a limiting factor, the GPU is, the HTC One has the best results for the GPU. So, performance is on par or will be once the S4 receives a software updat that fixes the lags.

You're right it is a matter of preference and needs - for me battery performance, screen brightness for web browsing outdoor, sound and design are needed and preferred.

I would enjoy the sensory features on the S4, but it is not enough for me to get over what I would loose. Anyways I will receive my S4 on Tuesday, so maybe my perception will evolve on some of these points. I am curious about whether the lags disappear after downclocking back to 1.7Ghz and how the battery performance is outdoor when full brightness is used. I don't have a feel for that.

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To be fair those white balance and gamma issues will disappear with a custom Kernel. What will not disappear is the dimmer screen brighness. Battery consumption and burn it will prevent the screnn from running at higher brightness.

To me that is my only gripe with the screen. I have been on vacation in Brazil and Thailand in very bright environment and ony my S2 (285cd/m²) reading the screen was annoying as hell. Winter is OK, summer is a nightmare.

Also, when I use maximum brightness, the battery plumets during web browsing, so I am doubly punished. But maybe the S4 will fare better in that regard, but because of the bigger screen, I doubt it will be a big improvement (also because of existing benchmarks). But as I said, I don't have a feel for this yet. We will see :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tom-Helge:
So you don't pay premium to get premium features like a smartphone should have as a tool?

A smartphone is a tool to help you in every possible way.

It's not a statue that you are going to look at 24/7.

It's the same as saying that a laptop without any ways of using a mouse is going to cripple the laptop as a tool for you.

The more features and possibilities a laptop have, the better it will be as a tool.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
No I do not carry a murse. I carry my phone in my jeans pocket. My phone has a removable battery but I don't carry one around as I find its too much of a hassle to carry an extra. Regarding the portable speaker, I do not use it outside of my house, if I need to watch a video or something while I'm outside I will use headphones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] teiva:
This has been an interesting, frustrating, hilarious and at times serious debate /thread.

Both phones still interest me.

I currently own a Motorola RAZR. The non removable battery has not been an issue for me. Both phones are smart and powerful. Once again no expansion port is also a non issue as I don't load up my phone (i only have a 16GB SD in the RAZR). What will effect my purchasing decision is outdoor screen brightness, battery life, and the phones implementation of Android. I like to keep it simple, nothing cluttered and complicated. I hardly ever buy the first run of anything as I prefer to let the bugs get ironed out first. I do appreciate the passion in posting of both sides. It only gets better from here :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Outdoor screen brightness: definitely the htc one

battery: both pretty good, maybe slightly better on the sgs4

implementation: you have to choose between serious and cartoonish
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Most unbiased comment....

In my opinion, last year's battle between the HTC One X vs the Galaxy S 3 was a slaughter. Samsung won. This year its a draw. Both offer great things and are the current best phones on the market. Android wins.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Where is my comment biased?

The screen of the one is better to read outside - confirmed by many reviews.

Touchwizz is cartoonish, or do you want to deny that? Cartoonish doesnt mean bad, it just describes the style.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Lol. I don't deny that touchwiz is cartoonish but when you say " serious vs cartooney" it sounds very biased. Serious how? serious vs a joke?
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Regarding the battery it is not true. At equal brightness the HTC One lasts longer, both Video and Web Browsing. At 50% brightness (150cd/m² on the S4 and 230cd/m² on the HTC One), the S4 is equivalent for videos and quite a bit behind for Web Browsing, so not as energy efficient.

The only area where the S4 battery wins at the moment before any custom ROM tweaks is standby time and talk time. There Samsung did a better job - this is an area where the (15%) larger capacity of the battery is not eaten up by OLED, so it is a logical win.

Having said that, I think it is more important for a phone that lasts long for battery intensive applications, like GPS navigation, texting, web browsing and video playback, than while doing nothing or talking (talk time isn't a big battery burner anyways). With the One there is no damocles sword over your head to punish you for using your phone at full brightness or for those battery-intensive applications.

So overall, in daily use, outoor on the go you will find the One to be a better performer. Again, this is what can be read from the reviews's figures. I will be testing myself and report back next week.

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I agree, carrying extra batteries is a hassle, whether internal or external. Also charging them (especially 2 internal ones) is a hassle. We are lucky enough to have phones that will last you a full day and then some. I think we should enjoy that and something cutting hairs in halves. In 2013 removable batteries do not add the same value to our devices anymore.

On the S2, after 2 years, I have to pay attention to my usage. Not with newer devices I think. So I am going to enjoy that and quit charging extra batteries that I won't need. Maybe once a year I will be 2 days out without a plug. Then I will maybe bring an external battery. Apart from this, I think people give extra batteries more credit than necessary.

I think the strengths of the S4 is in those extra features, some are actually quite nice. For now I don't have a feel for how much I would end up using, but it does count for something.
[Galaxy S 4 General] GhostLeader:
Stupid thread,

read every test, go to the next shop and convince yourself. For me the SGS4 is the better one because I able to change the battery, the back cover (have already metal brush cover <3) and the display is bigger although the HTC One has the same size.

In my point of viewing the S4 has also the better camera but every1 has to chose the better shots for himself.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Icedamage:
Does anyone know of any thread or review that thoroughly test the reception of both of these devices or how they compare to other phones? I've read through this whole thread hoping to see someone comment on the reception but haven't found an in depth comparison. And I'm not talking about just bars or speed tests either, I mean actual dbm readings. I know there are infinite variables that affect reception but after getting burned by the evo lte's horrible antenna reception, this is what interest me the most.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
Lies.

Lies.

Lies (about the "last a full day" part).

Lies.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
What phone do you have at the moment? Do you disagree with every major review web site that both the S4 and the HTC One will give you over a day worth of battery?

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From what I can tell, reception is slightly better than my S2 within the house or when in the metro. In the metro, there is a spot where I used to get disconnected with the S2, but the One doesn' care.

What is considered good in terms of dbm? I can have a look for you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
Unless you can link me to a "major review web site" that can quote 14 - 16 hours of

SCREEN ON TIME

on one charge then your claim of phones "lasting all day" is complete horse####!

Only way possible to have that type of all day battery life on current phones is by having a spare battery (which the S4 allows).
[Galaxy S 4 General] megalosdog:
Like build quality? get the ONE. For me I don't care a bit about a removable battery, storage may be a factor if you have tons of stuff that need to be stored locally. It's a hard choice but I believe the battery life should be fine on the one, not a lot of gimmicky software like on the s4 though....I have an s3 and while the gimmicky stuff is cool it shouldn't be a deciding factor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
1. You can now use volume button to wake the phone, so not a deal breaker. But personally I use my thumb for the power button.

2. HTC stock price took a hit not because they didn't sell enough HTC One's but because they started selling then too late for Q1 results to be impacted positively due to supply issues. But are you worried about Q2? Sales really only started in April.

3. How does the alleged better Exynos improve your daily use of the phone? CPU is so not a limiting factor that even 1.3Ghz downclocked S600 is lag free. GPU is more important for gaming and the HTC One performs better in gaming benchmarks (e.g. 3Dmarks). People focus their attention on the CPU and don't realize the GPU is the limiting factor.

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Do you use you phone as your work computer? Even then you could manage 10.5 hours. But which human beings manages to be 7 hours on his mobile non stop anyways?

Please describe to me the days when the battery of the S4 will not carry you over 1 day? I am interested to hear about your distress of having to stay glued to your phone for 15 hours.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JB910:
I can't believe this is even a question? Who on earth on a developers website even ask such a ridiculous question. Samsung Galaxy S4 by a mile. First off HTC locks their bootloaders, they are very unforgiving phones, and have much less development available due to those factors. On the other hand Samsung does not lock their bootloaders and are compatible with odin which make them nearly impossible to brick, plus there is much more available in terms of development for Samsung phones. Get the S4 and don't look back. Who cares about available internal memory or a cheap feeling shell, buy a 64 gb sd card and an otterbox, the guts of the phone is what matters.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
64GB External MicroSD is not cumbersome anymore. And no need to open up your device. Yaaayyyy :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
I think you misunderstood what I said, I find carrying around an extra battery a hassle but that's only because I have access to a charger practically everywhere. A removable battery is a vital feature in phones
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
Yes, its my source of information for patient conditions, interventions, and pharmacology.

Lies.

Here's a thread straight from one of your HTC One buddies where he is ecstatic to just get

7 hours

of on screen time like it's some sort of miracle :rolleyes:

Now you are simply making excuses and arguing

for

battery life limitations.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Icedamage:
From s4gru -

Better than -96dBm is a great signal

Between -97dBm and -107dBm is good

Between -108dBm and -114dBm is fair

Worse than -115dBm is poor

I use sprint so I would assume that viewing dbms is the same for these phones as it is on my current phone. ##DEBUG# and the hit 1x engineering and look for a dbms reading. You can also check the lte signal strength t his way but its under the lte engineering menu of the debug screen. I have no clue if this is different for each carrier though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rl421403:
:facepalm:

This thread became useless now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Its been useless since it was opened.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
I agree, opening up the device once to load in a card, what a bloody struggle. And as for that thingy, another thing to remember about, with your external battery pack (which you can't use if you're using your external battery, FTR). Might as well carry an external HDD then, to be honest - at least you won't lose it so easily and won't forget to carry it around.

Seriously, feels like I'm in Macrumors rather than in XDA :silly:
[Galaxy S 4 General] JB910:
Agreed, you want HTC crap, have fun. Let them "watermark" your phone. HTC is the worst, they use metal casing whoop de doo, get an iphone then baaaaa!
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
And just to answer his question, I do. Some days, I do have to use my phone 7+ hours on average. That's why I'm still loving and sticking to my Note II. Some users even get extended batteries since they need more! Now remember, 7+ hours is not the average battery life these phones, I would have to micromanage my way through to make get 6+ hours juice from the phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Come on now
[Galaxy S 4 General] richardlibeau:
HTC= no removeable battery no sd card = No Good Nuff Said
[Galaxy S 4 General] JB910:
I don't get dumb questions, if your gonna leave your phone stock forever xda is not the place to ask questions. Anyone who modifies their phone knows Sammy is better, this really is a pointless thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sohebq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DlXp41WwpOs

Samsung's Marketing Department is the best of all, enough to convince a person. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
I'll wait for the epic spiderman memes to rid this thread of plague,

Sent un Galaxia S Quatro LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] Okaay:
To be honest I'm still second guessing the purchase of the s4 versus the one. I got the black s4 and I have to say, the build and feel is not that bad I actually think it feels pretty premium. There is a stability update that Sammy pushed out. I am using nova prime and the phone is BUTTER

Sent from my Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Source. Anandtech

And this is at 200cd/m² and without power saving mode. But the point is really, no one except you need over 6 hours glued to a smartphone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
Pretty hilarious that you would actually post the wifi battery life graph (instead of 3G/LTE) just to try and inflate those battery life times and thinking I wouldn't call you out on it :laugh:

Shows how desperate you are to win this argument ;)

How about we use the real image that you

should

have posted:

Source: Anandtech

Less than 6 hours of 3G web usage, even after throttling screen brightness to 200 nits, is

pathetic

on a smartphone. If you think that no one needs more than that per day then you're simply being shortsighted and ignorant. Plus... over a years worth of using and re-charging you're HTC One that battery life will drop from a mere 5.6 hours of 3G web usage to something even worse around 4 something hours :(

Imagine how much nicer those battery life times would all look if they were doubled. Well... that's exactly what carrying a small spare battery in your wallet does for you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You're right, for people that require browsing for that amount of time per day, then a removable battery would be a sensible option.

Calling it pathetic is a bit over the top though. The average person who works a 9-5 job (in which they're not on their phone for work) would struggle to have 4-5 hours available to use a phone, even if they were glued to it the whole time they're not working.

These phone companies cater to the masses, not the minority.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
http://www.swedroid.se/samsung-galaxy-s4-recension/

Video playback:

Samsung Galaxy S4 2600 mAh (4.2)

739 Minutes

HTC One 2300 mAh (4.1)

483Minutes

Time to charge

Samsung Galaxy S4 2600 mAh (4.2)

114 Minutes

HTC One X 1800 mAh (4.0)

182Minutes

Conclusion: "Efter dryga två veckor med Galaxy S4 så konstaterar vi att det här är världens bästa androidtelefon"

Translated : Galaxy S4 is the best best android phone ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Case closed! This thread should follow suit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
That without power saving mode and 200cd/m2 is the average auto-brightnes. The point stands, I easily get over one day. I am sorry if you don't. You can't call my statement "lies" just because it doesn't apply for you in particular. Don't forget that 6 hours without any pause...as if you are going to browse 8 hours non stop. Stop being ridiculous!

Actually this is the last you hear from me on this topic. You are obviously not being candid about this. You are desperately clinging to the notion that people leave their screen on for more than 8 hours a day. I think it is pretty clear to every one now that you have no will to have an honest discussion about this, so no point in arguing with you.

Both phones will get you through a day.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
ignore this
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
If you lose the micro SD it means you have lost your keys too. :D But the point of MicroSD is that it is removable storage that you can read on multiple platforms including your PC. So to me it should be external not internal. For internal storage I take true internal storage, for removable storage I take external storage. Depends on what you need really.

I think people who say they need transportation storage and battery will just say they need 15 hours at full brightness on their phone and 3TB of films to watch on a desert island with no access to network or a PC to top up the MicroSD or recharge their battery. What can you say against that? There will always be people with different needs but it is not fair to impose those needs on others who for the vast majority don't feel the same. Half the people who praise removable batteries have never purchased a second internal battery because external batteries are easier to charge. And half the people who praise an internal MicroSD have never tried MicroUSB storage
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
The point of MicroSD is that if you need to, you have the choice to have additional storage to what your OEM offers. If you don't need, don't use it. And if needed, I could swap it sure. And obviously, it's much more preferable to take external battery pack, charge the phone (especially phones which takes long to charge) and use an external usb storage.. when you've finished charging that is, obviously.

I could by the same rationale say that people need hardly 2-3 hours of screen on time as most people could access some power source or carry an external battery pack. Right? *Headdesk* at your posts, here I was expecting some rational and constructive posts. And you come up with stuff like this.

As for removable batteries, I never knew you had the stats, good to know! PLENTY of people carry multiple batteries or even use extended batteries. Many may not, and they don't have to. Again, they have the choice if they want to - that's the whole point. I hardly use NFC or tethering, many even hardly know what it is, so does that mean it's just worthless load of crap? "Half the people" may not use loseless FLAC or even decent quality audio on their device instead of 128kbps MP3, so what's the point of a top quality DAC? We could go on like that, but that ain't gonna get us anywhere.

It just means that you don't have to use if you don't want to, but the option is there if you want to. Otherwise I'm better off with Apple and iOS.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
This discussion is deadlocked now.

Conclusion:

Both are good phones. Go in a shop and test both if you cant decide.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Some pureminded don't seem to see that yet ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
I have them on full brightness side by side. Would really love to go with the S4 since it's way more comfortable to hold imho. But the screen brightness is kind of a joke compared to the ONE. Tested them both in direct sunlight a minute ago, and the ONE was perfectly visible. I was able to see something on the S4s screen, but it did not even come close. I also tried the Auto Brightness feature that boosts brightness even further on the S4. Basically same result.

What bothered be as well: I could see about 20 of the infamous inky spots that AMOLEDS are so famous for - even on full brightness. Did anyone make similar observations?
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Thanks for the confirmation about the sunlight comparisson. I found the s4 to be to dim even indoor on automode. Full brightness fixed that for me, but thats for sure not good for battery life and the burn in syndrom.

Is the "more comfortable to hold" due to its weight or ergnomics? I felt different when i tested the s4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
Due to the ergonomics. The weight is actually a plus, but I like the ergonomics way more. But this screen outside on a sunny day ... disastrous.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Not good. After every new amoled phone comes out, I hear this problem is solved, only to be let down. I don't care if you can watch video for much longer on an amoled, those spots ruin the experience.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cturbos:
guys wake up,the one is better than the s4,and the PADFONE INFINITY is better than the one.the price of the INFINITY is scaring people,that is why there are no reviews for the INFINITY.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fazlerocks:
HTC One outdoes S4 in so many aspects. True innovation by HTC. :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Saw a Note 2 user comment that there are barely any blotches on S4. 20 is atrocious, that's probably just a faulty unit and not even remotely acceptable. Get a replacement IMO.

I've been watching videos almost single day before I go to bed (in my dark room, obviously - only scenario where these spots would be visible) and they've not "ruined' my experience a single time. The only place where it gets slightly annoying is inverted browsing - they're barely visible if you increase the brightness, but that would defeat the whole point of inverted browsing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
The problem I had with my S3 and Note 2 was that once I knew where those spots were, I was tuned right in to them, I would see them no matter how hard I tried not to. My Note 2 definitely wasn't as bad as the S3 though.....I was hoping they could be eliminated completely.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
LOL
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Well that's the same isn't it.. When you know there's a dead pixel, you keep looking for it. That doesn't "ruin" anything for me though. Had a couple of dead pixels on my HOX, but didn't prevent me from enjoying the gorgeous display. That's probably an issue specific to yourself and a minority to be honest :p

Heck, I've heard people complain about backlight lines! I've never for once been bothered by them. It all depends on what you're happy with. I think night time inverted browsing is not top on my list, so I'm happy with AMOLEDs, given the gorgeous quality once calibrated :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] nickporwal:
Guys both the mobiles are better in one or other areas. Thats why threads like this is still going on. I see that as a win win situation for android. Nobody is even bothering to check iphone or windows phones.

Both htc one and s4 are equally superb and really have made so many consumers mad about the decision.