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[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
There's threads like that in every forum! It's not someone saying that they have had reduced battery life over the course of a year, it's someone saying they have bought a second hand one x with poor battery life. Other people in the thread say their battery life has improved due to software updates :silly:

It was an example of a defect that could be replaced under warranty.

No, but she is an average consumer, who complains of loss of battery life for the wrong reasons.

No, about 2, then sporadically after that. Still should have terrible battery life, which I didn't find.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
I don't care about Google's plan! I care about MY plan! And I am the one buying the phone, NOT GOOGLE! Google is flat out WRONG in it's plan, since so many would still like removable storage!

If consumers want to carry around a lot of content without having to burn up monthly data caps, swapping that content with the cloud or for traveling without connectivity, then they'll want expandable storage! (read that again, because this is very normal and important to a lot of people!) If consumers want devices that offer that, and it is evidenced by the huge number of sales of SGSx phones versus HTCOx, then maybe sooner or later google and manufacturers will pay attention! And realize, "hey, people want to be able to put in a new batter or SDcard. Wow! they actually have real life reasons for this!"

If Google could offer unlimited cloud storage, AND could force free enterprise to offer data plans with no caps, AND can offer free connectivity in all those places where we don't get cell signal, then maybe removable storage would not be necessary for so many people.

It amazes me how narrow minded people are who don't have the need for something themselves to see the need exist for others, nonetheless!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] JustinL01:
I can't believe how personal some people take this! Are people allowed to express an opinion without being called narrow minded or attacked for expressing what a company are doing. IF you bother to do some research their are specific reasons why Google are doing this, and no it's not to piss you off personally!!! Storage is becoming cheaper and you can now get phones with 64gb memory. Why you would need more than that for a phone I would have no idea, a tablet maybe!

Anyway I'll let you get on your high horse about it, all I was doing was stating what direction Google are heading, I didn't even state if I thought it was a good or bad idea! If you are that worried I'm sure there will be plenty of different OS's you will be able to use in future allowing you to use removable storage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I'm extremely open minded. I have had phones with removable storage, removable battery etc. My current phone has neither. Am I bothered? No, because I am open minded to know that there's a solution to everything.

You're confusing a NEED for something, with a WANT. You tell me why you NEED to be able to remove your battery, and I will tell you a viable solution. You tell me why you NEED removable storage, and I will tell you other ways to expand your storage.

In some ways, Samsung are forcing people to buy expandable storage, with so little usable space left on the S4. My girlfriend, who is an average, non-tech savvy phone user, completely filled her S3 after less than 6 months. She wouldn't have a clue about putting an SD card in, if I didn't tell her....I'm not kidding.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
Very precise ;) Divided into days or actual hours?

Well the HD2 has a lithium-ion battery that can take more cycles than a polymer battery. Are you using the extended battery?

Still 2-3 hours is not much considered this phone actually had pretty decent battery life. In my book it borders unusable.

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Yes - that is why it is never any good to use a forum as statistics ;)

No because ALL batteries deteriorate no matter the manufacturer. Burn-in currently only happens for Samsung screens and the average consumer does not necessary expect this to happen. Normally consumers do not know what technology powers their screens.

As an example. You cannot have you laptop battery replaced under warranty.

True but we are not. And nobody is here.

Well I would expect it to have 40% less battery performance. Did you do any measurements?
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Had a one x for a few weeks. Thats where the missing 5% come from. I´m using the stock htc battery (1300mah?) since i got the phone. The HD2 sadly never had a real outstanding/decent battery life. That for sure due to its 35nm soc and the 4,3 screen. But it mostly bring me through day.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
And I'm simply saying that it is NOT a good direction, because it leaves a LOT of people with a worse situation than we had before.

What I'm annoyed at is that those who don't need extra storage think it is perfectly fine if the market drops support for extra storage. Try to buy a 64 GB phone from any carrier right now. Not many sell them, so it's impossible to store a sizable collection, can't even get a 32 GB SGS4 at many carriers, which leaves about 9GB of user storage on a 16GB internal-only solution. That is compared to the ability to add 32GB or 64 GB to most phones two years ago. So basically consumers could take advantage of having 64GB for their portable media collections two years ago, are now seeing their choices for portable capacity reduced to 9GB today, while phones now have 1080p screens and data throughput doubled. It is moronic to think that that is progress. It's not a good direction for Android, where compared to the iPhone counterpart, there has been progress and flexibility. And it's annoying as hell to hear people who don't get it to say nobody needs it, the cloud fixes it all. That right these is clueless and myopic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Yes, if people on here (who are heavier than average phone users) aren't complaining about their batteries dying after a year, then it's safe to assume it isn't a problem. If someone does have a significant drop in battery life after this time, then it is probably defective.

We are not talking about laptops. If someone gets significant burn in on an amoled after a relatively short amount of time, the warranty will cover it. The battery is the same.

Yes, nobody here is complaining about the hypothetical problem you are talking about.

Well, from an unscientific point of view, there's no way the galaxy s would last through the day with 40% less performance as I used to struggle to last the day as it was.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
Dude, I hope you don't actually think this is a valid argument / correlation. :laugh::laugh:

As of two hours ago, I own both devices. I had several ONES that had many issues. Even my current unit is far from being perfect.

I will give you some thoughts on both of them, but after short usage I can definitely say: I am pretty surprised with the S4 after all the bashing it got.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
You are crazy!

First of all, don't get into semantics of need and want. If we all did that we could make the argument that we don't need smartphones because we all survived when phones were dumb.

And I doubt you could tell me a viable solution, not when there is a better one. In order to throw away an old solution for another, the new solution should not only be viable but it should be better.

Situation 1:

My battery is dead and I need to keep very mobile while talking on my phone, so I need a fully charged battery in my phone right now, without have to tether my phone to something for any length of time while the battery inside gets recharged. An old simple solution it to pop in another already charged battery. I doubt you can come up with a better solution.

Situation 2:

I need to have a collection of content on my phone to review in situations where I am on a plane, or underground in a subway where I can not connect to the internet. I cannot have my phone tethered to another device because I am highly mobile (its a MOBILE phone). How do I access my content?

Situation 3:

I need to have a collection of content on my phone to review while I do have access to the mobile network but not wifi, the problem is that if I try to review my content that is stored in the cloud, i will hit my monthly data cap before the month is over and sometimes in only 30 minutes.

I cannot have my phone tethered to another device because I am highly mobile (its a MOBILE phone).

The easy solution has already beed developed and is extremely convenient. For situation 2 and 3 it is SD card. Can you give me a better solution that solves any of these problems better that the solutions that have already been tried and true? I don't think you can.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nyxagamemnon:
What makes me laugh is that anyone who will try to argue against a removable battery and micro sd slot.

Forget about brands for a min.

Removable battery> none removable

Microsd> no micro sd.

Dual front speakers > single rear

Metal> plastic

The lcd and amoled dibate can go on forever :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
Nah, there is a lot of other factors that resulted in more sales of samsung phones over htc, but i think there will always be a strong base that does want the flexibility of replaceable battery and upgradeable memory.

And I agree about the S4.... I REALLY wanted to like the One for the last few months and really did NOT want the plastic samsung, but after so many hardware problem reports of the One compared to the S, i got the S4 and am extremely impressed. So much so that I will totally look past the plastic case... the rest truly offers a lot, spec wise.

And I do like being able to load up my 25 GB mp3 collection and playlists and have room to spare for 3 or 4 really nice 1080p movies. After all, that is part of what these phones are for, portable games and multimedia!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I do have solutions for all your problems, but not the ones you want. Basically this is how you put things:

"This is the situation, here is the problem. How do I solve my problem without solution a, b, or c....because solution d is the one I use and is the only correct answer in this situation " :D

Here's a scenario:

I'm going on a long journey and want to watch various movies totalling 10gb in space. I don't want to use a micro sd card in my phone as I have found they corrupted in the past, and I don't want to use any accessories because I'm extremely mobile and can't be bothered carrying stuff.

I don't argue against removable battery or sd card. Not having them is not the life and death situation some people would have you believe. There are other viable solutions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
Dead on man..... except the metal vs plastic can be debated too.... plastic may be cheap, but it is a smart material.

the One's two front speakers is really nice... miss that!

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So give me your solutions!

Just because you think they are viable does not mean they are viable for everybody.

So let's hear em!

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You don't have to invoke "life and death". now you are being dramatic, which is a bit overboard.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
I really miss the speakers as well. And the ONEs screen is so increadibly bright in sunlight compared to the S4. But as odd as it might sound, I love the S4s handling. :D :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] abubasim:
Very useful with the SGS4 supporting ExFAT so you can dump large (>4GB) 1080p movies to the memory card.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Situation one: external power pack....although you have already said that the only viable solution is to pop another battery in.

Situation two: if the content is on your phone, and you want to review it. I don't actually see the issue here.....surely any phone can view content that is on it? :silly:

Situation three: Once again, I'm not really understanding the problem. What content? Where is it? Why do you need to review it on your phone? If you have only access to mobile data but can't access the cloud due to data restraints, now would it magically get to an sd card??
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
I've heard a lot of people claim these solutions are good enough to justify getting rid of removable battery and upgradable storage:

connect a portable charge pack to your phone. Nope sorry, cant tether my phone and have something dangling from the phone while I am trying to use it; swapping out the internal battery was a BETTER solution.

send phone back to manufacturer for battery replacement. nope sorry, a $20 replacement I can do myself is a BETTER solution.

the cloud can store all your 'excess' content. ya but sorry, I cant access the cloud when not in wireless range or when I hit my data cap so fast from using the cloud to play my mp3s or movies. being able to locally store my content was a MUCH BETTER solution.

OTG connect a flash drive to your phone's USB port if you want to play music or movies. sorry, but I again, having something dangling from my phone while I am highly mobile is a bad solution. A much BETTER solution was to have the upgrade INSIDE the phone. instead of hanging off the phone making it bulky, awkward, and could possibly damage it due to no strain relief.

So, got any BETTER solutions?

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okay, excuse my error with describing situation 2 and 3. I mean content that i would like to have on my phone but there is not enough internal memory to store it. in those situations, how do i access it?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You were offered solutions, just not the ones you wanted. Problem 2 and 3 would be solved with a 64gb phone if you knew you needed that kind of space. External battery pack is a viable solution, and in some ways better. You could be carrying multiple charges with you on the go, but I guess you could carry multiple spare batteries around with you if it was more convenient.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
I agree that it is indeed a solution. It's just a WORSE solution in most situations.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Situation two and three: He wants to have access to a content with is phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gruuvin:
can't get a 64 GB phone -- those variants are not available for all carriers. and even if i could get a 16 or 32GB phone, with expandable memory, adding 64GB, wel that gives me even more space... better solution. besides, 64 GB won't be enough for a lot of people in a year or two to store the kind of content these phones are designed to play. dunno if you thought it all the way through, but these phones now have 1080p screens and graphic accelerators designed to seamlessly play HD movies and games.

Wow! you really are a reason-challenged person if you can't see how to identify a better solution to a problem. I hope you aren't in any kind of engineering position.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
You can use external hard drive, so why you use Disk on key?

You can use dedicated camera, so why use the phone's camera?

You can use laptop to surf the web, so why use the phone to do so?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I'm not saying my solutions are better solutions. I'm saying that they are solutions.....and viable ones at that.

You are saying that in a year or two 64GB won't be enough for a lot of people.....are you saying that the 80GB limit of the S4 will be though?

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That lacks logic in the context of what we're talking about. Each of his solutions require buying something external to solve his problem. The fact that he can put them in the phone doesn't alter the fact.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nyxagamemnon:
But were not talking about viable. Viable solution does not make it better. Htc is plain stupid. They make a version for china with removable back .

They will spend the money regardless the issue is they are incompetent at what there doing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
There is nothing wrong with your choice.

The advantages of the One are camera low light performance, microphone recording in loud environments and BoomSound. Those advantages become appreciated at concerts, parties, in intimate settings at home and restaurants where the phone will record/take snapshots better and play videos loudly. Storage is also extendable on the HTC One - just not through internal MicroSD :)

The S4 has the advantages that you mentioned, mainly swappable battery (though it is an advantage mainly if you plan on keeping your phone over 18 months) and the slightly bigger screen.

My Galaxy S2 only lost 20% battery after over two years, and since the One has FastCharge disabled as a detault, I feel quite comfortable.

But if design is no big deal to you and if your device doesn't lag (that's amazing!), the S4 will be the phone for you. :good::highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
There are more advantages of the S4 (even if not usable for some people) such as sensors, air gestures, air view, many features via software and a better hardware performance. Also there is the SAR advantage of the S4 over the HTC one.

You can't compare lithium-ion with lithium-po which have much less recharge cycles.

I don't see why you amazed by the fact that this kind of powerful device doesn't lag. :confused:

Again, don't get me wrong, both are wonderful devices and it's a matter of preference and needs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
The removable back is only to exchange sim and storage....not battery.

I have owned Galaxy S, S3, Note 2, as well as multiple HTC's. I found that the only phone I used spare battery on was the S3, and I never removed storage for any of them. I would be a heavier than average user, so the amount of people that require removable storage and battery would presumably be very low.

I'll probably get the S4, but not as sure as I was.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
I supported this claim several posts ago by quoting the top HTC executives BUT you are right about price, this is also something that I found strange, but then I realized a couple of things:

The HTC One is in the 4.7" segment with their device, and will have a more expensive 5.5" device coming around in the next couple of months.

Also, I think Apple is cheaper than Samsung, so it is not so much that HTC is priced low, it is just that Samsung has ridiculously high prices considering their cheaper production process and smaller internal storage.

We are only talking about a 5% difference, and in some countries the HTC One is actually more expensive

I was not serious when I said that only successful people can afford 1 phone every year. Nowadays with ebay, you have a good resale value after one year and you can finance the new generation phone. Of course I was counting on people thinking to themselves - "wait a minute, I can also change my phone after one year, so maybe I don't care so much?".

In theory the resale value will be less because of battery, but it is not necessarily true. If they continue to build the brand seriously like Apple, then the value will be more about that than about the removable battery.

Sound, Camera, Microphone, Processor, LCD with the highest pixel density and greatest color accuracy of any phone on the market right now (similar to XZL). What HTC meant by that is that they carefully select all components even down to the less visible ones, suchs as WiFi module. They do what is needed to compete at the top of the game technology-wise and "wrap it into mouth-watering design".

Those were HTC's own words. That's also why they got Anandtech's Gold Award as the only smartphone manufacturer this year - the technology package is well rounded and cohesive, with some bold choices to make it the most exciting piece of hardware in a long time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Sound? But only for the first batch since HTC need to change their microphones.

Camera? Did you saw the blind comparison of phonearena? HTC one got 4th place.

Microphone? You right :D

Processor? Exynos5 octa is better then s600 and the snapdragon variant is clocked higher.

LCD? Yes, they have the best mobile LCD in the market but that doesn't it's better than S4's display since it's a matter of preference.

BTW, you believe what the company says? You can compare the components of both devices via ifixit and then see if it's true.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Other than the bold one, I agree :D

So? The fact is that I struggle to reach the power button. They should have done like Samsung and separate them from each other.

The antenna design is purely due to the aluminum body that causes interference in reception. They had to come with something so there will no be any problem. And due to this fact the SAR levels are twice as the S4 SAR levels.

And still HTC getting desperate about sales: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2262699 . Doesn't sound like a game changer to me.

Processor: The performance is better and you can see that even with lower clock and unfinished drivers it beats the s600.

Camera: I don't see much difference. There is a difference but I can't really point to the before/after updates photos.

Microphone: HTC removed the HDR microphone option from their spec sheet...

He said its faster and I showed he's not totally right. It wasn't really my point :D

And what if the 8 seconds pressing on the power button not working? What then? You will have to wait a full discharge that can take up to a several hours.

BTW, I don't see any S4 owners come in to the HTC one forums to praise the S4, so why you thought you need to come here to defend your device? Looks like you insecure about your decision :p

1. You can't change the processor's architecture.

2. Not everyone like custom ROMs.

3. Agree, even with an app you probably can do so.

4. SwiftKey is embedded within the S4's keyboard. So if you use SwiftKey, you use the same keyboard as the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] blahblahyoutoo:
this is pretty biased, but that's to be expected.

larger screen is the only thing the s4 has going for it. sure, the blacks are darker, but it loses shadow detail (mentioned in several reviews). the colors are oversaturated and inaccurate.

the One's brighter screen comes in more handy in outdoor situations.

camera, it's indoor for the one, outdoor for the s4. pretty easy decision there.

battery goes to the s4 only due to the ability to replace but really, who keeps their phone more than 2 years these days? all the people who are getting the s4 are s2/3, note1/2, one variants, and possibly some iphones.

reviews have also shown that althought the s4 has a bigger battery, it's battery life isn't as good, possibly due to all the samsung features.

clear victory for samsung in storage (except for all the extra space the "features" are taking up).

EVERY review has lamented about the fact that samsung's plastic is not fantastic and the design is tired and old.

praise for the One has been universal.

i don't know how you give the win to the s4.

sound, another clear victory for the One.

performance - while the s4 has better tech specs, the One is more responsive.

features - samsung wins here, even though most are on the gimmicky side.

I've read a ton of reviews and most have favored the one, i would say close to 80%.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
1. You can now use volume button to wake the phone, so not a deal breaker. But personally I use my thumb for the power button.

2. HTC stock price took a hit not because they didn't sell enough HTC One's but because they started selling then too late for Q1 results to be impacted positively due to supply issues. But are you worried about Q2? Sales really only started in April.

3. How does the alleged better Exynos improve your daily use of the phone? CPU is so not a limiting factor that even 1.3Ghz downclocked S600 is lag free. GPU is more important for gaming and the HTC One performs better in gaming benchmarks (e.g. 3Dmarks). People focus their attention on the CPU and don't realize the GPU is the limiting factor.