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[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Honestly, cross my heart and hope to stub my toe:

The S4 design is far better than the One. Thats just my taste. I'd rather have the great screen/front ratio and the nice S2-like design of the S4 than the One.

You say it's so similar to the s3 that it's ridiculous. I don't think it's that similar. It reminds me far more of the s2 than the s3.

The s3 is ugly as sin. The s4 though, isn't.

Yes they're similar, very similar perhaps, but the differences that are there make the entire thing change. Weight distribution, bezel, feel...

But of course, better design is always welcome. I just don't think aluminium is better, nor a smaller screen/front ratio. I'm thinking more along the lines of fitting more in to a small device. Better hardware without gaining bulk.

Now that is impressive design. Anyone can make the chassis aluminium, that's not a great feat. In my eyes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Samsung does not complete with HTC only. Is HTC even in the top 10? :)

Nokia, Motorola LG, Asus...32GB entry point.

And you already know when you will have the 32GB S4 in your country? For competitors it is their baseline model, available immediately.

We are not talking about some cheap phone, this is a flagship device. Do you even know how much the 32GB version of the S4 costs? Good luck purchasing it 150 USD more expensive or more than all competitor phones with same storage.

On the paper it looks like a purchasable option, but in reality the S4 is really limited at 16GB. It is like the HTC One 64GB. It is only there to make the anti-No Micro SD shut up, but effectively it will be expensive and hard to buy at best at least for the next couple of months.
[Galaxy S 4 General] POLO_i780:
You know, this could ALL be just settled through running AnTuTu benchmark between a GS4 I9500 and HTC One, the winner will be the one to get :D hehe...
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
In this thread we comparing HTC one and Samsung Galaxy S4, not any other devices. All the companies you mentioned (except of LG) have no option for expandable storage.

I asked Scilex Communication (which is the Samsung official importer here) and Touch Group (which is the HTC official importer here) and they told me that it supposed to come in June.

+ I asked Touch group what will be the price of the HTC one and they said 4000NIS which is 400NIS more than the official cost of the S4 here. I expect the same price for the 32GB version as it was last year with the s3.

On the paper HTC one looks like a purchasable option, but in reality the HTC on is really limited to very few countries.

The bottom line is that your device isn't containing only applications but much more files (such as videos, pictures, music etc) which in many cases takes a lot of space. So, in the s4 case you can simply move them to the microSD card and still be able to get them without internet connection so you won't have any problem with installing applications.

+ If it was so important to people the 16GB extra internal storage I'm sure they will have no problem waiting a couple of months to buy the 32GB version but the bottom line is that people buy the 16GB version and not the 32GB version even if both available.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Currykiev:
Nearly ALL HTC Ones sold in the UK are 32gig. Does HTC even make a 16gig version?

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The winner on that test is also the only phone that lags in real world usage. Although I fully expect Samsung to sort this out. :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
No, read the thread's topic again. :eek:

150USD more

Not true, Motorola and Asus have expandable storage, too. Samsung are just on the small side with a baseline device at 16GB. The market has evolved.

In my country

The S4 16GB is at the same price versus the One 32GB.

The S4 32GB costs 150 USD more vs the 16GB version

I don't think many people want to pay more for something that is standard in other phones.

HTC on the other hand had a developer edition at 64GB that was cheaper than the 32GB option for those that needed it, you could order it from HTC in the US or through ebay for other locations.

You could do the same with the HTC One and move them to a MicroSD without internet connection. MicroSD doesn't have to be internal if your internal storage is large enough to begin with! Just because Samsung makes you add your internal storage yourself at a cost doesn't mean that others have to.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
I was referring to the lack of HTC one's world wide and the fact that only a few countries got the opportunity to get the device.

The thread's topic is to convince the OP that the S4 is better than the HTC one. Where you see any other device connected to this thread?

Asus padfone2 starts from 16GB with no expandable memory option, so where did you got that? Also, Motorola's phones starts from 16GB as well. So only HTC "evolved".
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Can someone tell me with facts and from specs wich is better?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tom-Helge:
I want to make sure that this message gets to everyone who thinks the Samsung Galaxy S4 is doing a bad job at video stabilization as some HTC fans might get us to think.

Take a look at this video here taken with the Galaxy S4.

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The fact is that alot of the tests that is done with the Galaxy S4 are done without the 'video stabilization' option on and then they claims the Galaxy S4 is bad at recording videos because of this.

This is either because the testers are not serious with their tests or they are completely incompetent at doing tests. Or they have a broken device where the video stabilization doesn't work.

Android Authority have set the 'Video Stabilization' option to On, witch gives us this.

[YOUTUBE]yxr9eMfDQLg[/YOUTUBE]

So what does this means?

This means that the Galaxy S4 is doing a very good job at video stabilization. So the argument that the Galaxy S4 is bad at video stabilization can be throwed away for good.

The OIS on the HTC One isn't really an advantage over the Galaxy S4 after seeing those video clips over.
[Galaxy S 4 General] schrickm5:
You need to read the thread and then read some more general reviews floating around the internet thingy.

Facts will help in your decision - true, but you really need to play around (if possible) live with both devices to decide if the Camera is for you on the HTC One or the S4 and which screen you prefer and which functions you will use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
It doesn't mean we can't show the owner that Samsung makes you pay more for something that should be standard.

Motorola

http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...html?selectedTab=tab-2&cgid=mobile-phones#tab

32GB expandable to 96GB

Asus

16GB/32GB/64GB available globally, 16GB is only sold on some countries and 64GB internal is available RIGHT NOW.

LG

http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-E980-optimus-g-pro

32GB expandable to 96GB via MicroSD

HTC

32GB or 64GB expandable to 128GB (and more when MicroSD becomes available with 128GB)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Sorry, could take any more of looking at the ground. Lasted about 30s though!

In all honesty though, I don't care if the images look ok in scenarios I won't be using (phone taped to car), but i do care how they look in real life situations (which I'm sure both the one and s4 are good at).

Same goes for camera tests. I don't care about staged tests, I care about real life images capturing real life moments. It's those missed moments when my phone lets me down that matter to me more than how detailed a tree half a mile away looks.

Of course, the important things are different for different people.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
If HTC expandable to 128GB than s4 expandable to 192GB. Stop this nonsense, both 16GB with expandable and 32GB nonexpendable are enough for apps. I have 3 demanding 3d games and I still have 6.75GB internal storage available.

The expandable storage isn't meant for apps but for pictures, videos, music etc that will be available without the need of internet.

If you can show me how the average user need more than 9GB for apps than I'll accept you argument. Otherwise, your argument is invalid since most people don't want to buy more than they need.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Who said you can't or shouldn't use internal storage for videos and music?

But you missed the point, though. The market gives you 32GB for the same money. I think it is an important decision factor for many people when they buy a phone.

People have been complaining so much about this rip off that Samsung had to make an official statement to explain what options are available to expand storage externally at an extra cost and that having only 55% of the advertised storage available for new Apps is "normal" (75% available on iPhone 5).

Many games will fill your internal storage very quickly. No need to try hard to fill internal storage with Apps, especially with 1080p games coming out over the next few months. The Top 3 games of the moment alone already fill over 50% of the available storage.

Asphalt 7: 1.59GB

Grad Theft Auto 3: 1.22GB

Modern Combat: 1.34GB
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
In my country (I have no idea how it is in yours) the HTC one will cost (confirmed by the official importer) 500NIS more than the s4 official price here which is 3600NIS. You can buy the s4 in private shops for even 3200NIS so it's not for the same amount of money.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
You own a country? Wow!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
English is not my first language :o

I meant the country I live in. LOL
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
It varies by country, here the price is the same, and competing devices are actually cheaper than the S4 and have 32GB.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Flashvetrin:
I wont buy anything that has a locked bootloader. I have an s2 that runs circles around htc devices via a custom rom and a de_bloated os.

Until I see a dev has found a way I would stay with an s3 or an s2 or the htc one that I believe at least lets the end user get into recovery mode on the device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
This is exactly what I meant, not all the countries have the same prices of both devices so you can't say that everyone get only 16GB for the same money.

For the other competing devices, which one you meant? Since every other device you may referring to is in the market for a few months at least so their price had the time to decrease.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Your English is perfect. I didn't resit to give a bit humour to the thread! Lol.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jj03:
I have the two phones like this...

Htc one = neo from the matrix. Powerful, but we know there were many iterations of `The one`.

Galaxy s4 = superman. But slightly bloated with unnecessary extra`s..
[Galaxy S 4 General] deathnotice01:
So HTC is a dude who can dodge bullets but dies when stabbed and can't fly,

While S4 is a fat superman that can't fly because he is too bloated.

I'm sold

Sent un Samsung Galaxia S Quatro LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
We have an x-ray phone, yay :silly::victory:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
No I posted the links to the devices I meant (e.g. optimus G pro which is super new). The point has been made that Samsung is forcing you to pay more to get the 32GB internal storage.

Mind you, I am not interested in discussing how many percent more this is in every country around the globe :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Yes, but you run into the problem of people like my girlfriend. Knows stuff all about tech in general, buys whatever is popular. Wouldn't have a clue about external sd cards, and probably wouldn't invest in one anyway because she wouldn't see the point.... Surely a phone has enough built in memory for someone like herself that doesn't even play games or use many apps?

Wrong....her galaxy S3 was full in less than 6 months. How was she to know that some of her hd videos of the kids were actually taking up over half a gig each?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Every one have a friend who knows in tech a little and can tell him/her to use a microSD card.

In this case it should be you :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Quick OT guys, Samsung officials confirm that the Note 3 will have a 5.9 inch display and it will be unveiled at IFA in September.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-S4-to-hit-10-million-sales-next-week_id43156
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
I don't see a single quote of any samsung official saying the Note III will have a 5.9 inch screen :eek:

Only thing he says is about unbreakable displays : "More time will be needed"
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
ok.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
I can't believe someone assumed they had endless storage, so what is someone like her using data wise as we all use phones differently. I understand some people are technically challenged and some think a tank of petrol will last a lifetime but at some stage reality must bite and they accept responsibility for their actions and not have everyone making allowances for them. Manufacturers need to assume there is a basic understanding of their technology, most grasp it or ask.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jlevy73:
Here's the only thing I have seen about the Note 3, and while it's not official Sammobile has a good track record. http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/16/rumor-galaxy-note-iii-to-use-the-same-build-as-the-s4-s3-again/
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
"The s4 design is far better than the one"

Says no tech writer or smart phone reviewer ever..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Dunno if I agree with that. It's more a case that no other phone she has owned has run out of space due to videos and photos, so it was never a concern to her. The S3 has made her aware of the issue, and if she got the S4 she now knows purchasing an SD card is probably a pre requisite, rather than an option.

Also, it's not just technically challenged people, it's Joe Public. I work in a job with people from all walks of life. I guarantee I could ask all of them the average file size of a photo on their phone, or how much memory a 30s video clip takes up and they wouldn't have a clue. They probably couldn't even say how many MP their phone camera is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
I really can't believe how many HTC one owners are in this thread, guys your phone is really nice its just sopme prefer the S4 or other phones it isn't personal it doesn't mean you are better or worse than anyone else just enjoy what you have and stop trolling a Samsung forum with your insecurities.

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I would agree with some of what you say but why dumb down the majority because of teh minority, better to educate people as they are smart phones for dumb people you still have to know something otherwise you are better off with an Iphone or camera
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Fernando sor:

Oh if no reviews agree with that highly personal matter of taste, then clearly it just be wrong, right?

I prefer the s4 design. Simple as that. Theres just nothing about the One that makes it best the s4 designwise.

Jeffnz: it's a thread about the s4 vs the One, of course htc people will join in the thread. What would you rather the Op get flooded with pro-s4 comments and get an unfair view of the choice?

As for whoever said 16gb expandable is enough: no its not. My s4 had 9gb or so for use. This is for apps etc. A solid game is about 500mb to 2gb. Or so.

So say you have gta3, modern Combat 4, order & chaos, shadowgun, nfs most wanted, ff iii and then it's starting to look thin.

Why CANT i install to sd card? It makes no sense to restrict that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
For sure.

I don't have any insecurities, got the one on release, will have the S4 in a month.

I actually wonder why I follow this thread. Probably because comparison threads aren't usually allowed so it's funny to see how this plays out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Same reason we all do. There's no better entertainment on XDA than a comparison thread. There's less angst on Al Qaeda forums. ;)

For the One owners... Someone posted this in another thread. Is it true?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jeffnz:
[MENTION=4137750]Slai[/MENTION] the thread has only shown that neither phone has a clear advantage over the other and it comes down to personal choice.

These threads achieve nothing except attracting trolls and flamers but I will say there has been some good info in between but an impasse has been reached and its only tit for tat now and showing its down to choice and subjective.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Aye I agree, but both sides tend to be biased, and a good weight of each, be it fanatics or sceptics, is a better balance than simply s4 propaganda =p
[Galaxy S 4 General] abubasim:
That's what I am trying to certain about also. Most info I've seen on One is that it doesn't support it. But someone said the internal storage is formatted as ext3. If that's true, it doesn't make any sense that it can't handle files larger than 4GB.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jackchong0828:
maybe it is cheaper i think
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
HTC is on to something. The demand for their phone seems to have taken even them by surprise:

http://translate.google.com/transla...phone-HTC-One-verdoppelt.92857.0.html&act=url

We can already confirm that HTC has now started to use Sharp panel's for their production as of May, which confirms that they do everything to meet the stronger than expected demand. Previously, all panels had been from JDI.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jackchong0828:
Well, HTC One is harder to fix compare to S4. This is the point
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Has anyone mentioned/used the Samsung SideSync? Very cool feature. It works by default only on Samsung Notebooks. But there are easy hacks to use in on any Windows PC.

[YOUTUBE]HVvczhM5KxI[/YOUTUBE]

I don't think HTC has any such feature (or maybe I missed)..

Now, it works on only Samsung Notebooks for now. But there are already work-arounds available:

Phone Screen Sharing App working on non-Samsung PC

Download Phone Screen Sharing App for Non Samsung PC – Samsung SideSync Alternative

[YOUTUBE]hxPhMRATbos[/YOUTUBE]

Someone with GS4 (or other Galaxy models) can try this and let us know how good it works.

BTW, there's also option for someone to shift from iPhones using Smart Switch:

http://www.samsung.com/us/smart-switch/

Also, for someone moving from older Galaxy models (with NFC/WiFi-Direct), they can use this:

Samsung Smart Switch
[Galaxy S 4 General] jackchong0828:
Well, this is only a PC suit right? Nothing special
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
If you are referring to Kies PC suit, then no. It's not same. Can you share the mouse, copy-paste, drag-n-drop files and screen-sharing between the phone and PC?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dpeddi:
I bought s4 due to htc one delay in italy and i'm quite happy with the galaxy.

I have issue to move from my previous gingerbread device but isn't a s4 issue....

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
HTC Synch Manager is great to move from any phone, it uses Wireless connection, you run HTC Synch on both phones and it imports all of the sectings, contacts, photos, etc...

It looks like SmartSwitch could do the same for the S4. I need to look at this, I was very impressed by how easy and quick it is on the One to import from any previous phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] greenmark69:
Comparison threads always degenerate into flame wars between those who say comparison threads are not allowed and those who say they're interesting
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Indeed... very animated!
[Galaxy S 4 General] xman_here:
Samsung's going for the kill. Expected to cross 10 million sales of S4 next week. One may be better but ALAS!!! They won't get any better unless Samsung goes away :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
True. But let's look at general consensus. It was more of a statement also. Not this is my opinion.

The s4 has removable storage. That is clearly a huge advantage to many. What I'm saying is the design of the one is clearly one of the ones advantages. Some people will always say the opposite. Just as many say 32 internal storage is enough.

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They were both posted simultaneously. The thread on the One forum was locked.
[Galaxy S 4 General] boodies:
lol.. all these online bloggers are all trying to save HTC, but they can't. You know why? Because only online bloggers care about aluminum. Good thing Samsung doesn't listen to them and goes with market research make BILLIONS. One is a compromised product through and through. Don't get me started, if you don't wanna get ugly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
That really doesn't mean that htc will fail. HTC just needs more market share. They certainly don't expect to overcome Samsung with one phone launch..

Anyone who desires a smartphone monopoly by one company is clearly not aware of how markets and competition work. I certainly would not want an htc monopoly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
They even don't overcome Sony and LG or even ZTE, Huawei so they obviously won't overcome Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I agree. I love Samsung products but I don't want this to be a 2 horse race, Sammy and apple. That would be disgusting.

OT again lol: Dude i'm intrigued by the DNA, really like that phone. Can you get at least 3 hours on screen time with like 12 hours off charge?
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Looks like htc is working on a "senseless" one

Football:

source: https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/335498065152712704

As i like sense, that version would be nothing for me
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slai:
Aye, it is an advantage. A lot of people value that approach to design over Samsungs approach.

I just don't think that it's a given fact that the design of the One is absolutely better than the S4, that's all. Obviously I get that some prefer it. Much like girls, cars, houses, dogs, cats, etc. not everyone likes the same things.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I prefer plastic girls as aluminium cars. Lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] jammyjamil:
S4 battery life is much better than htc one
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
One´s screen brightness is much better then galaxy s4
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Not really. You're confusing their overcoming their component shortages with some type of unexpected demand. The fact they haven't shared how many One's have shipped and only spoken in vagaries about "demand" is telling. And Q1 was their worst financial quarter in the company's history due to One's delays. For Q2 the guidance they've provided shows them to be down 21% from last year which itself was down 30% from the year before. So the One and 2013 devices are being projected by HTC themselves to sell in lower volume than the One X/S/V did last year; and that's with all the production ramp-up news that's been quoted. With Q1/2 being what they are HTC can't recover enough in Q3/4 to even make last year's numbers which means a further decline in market share.

This is from their Q1 release. Pretty grim.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Actually, according to puremind's thread on the HTC one forum about the different screen of the HTC one, most of the HTC one units have brightness of 480 which is similar to the 475 brightness of the s4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Yes definitely

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I think that's premature. They generally don't announce how many phones they sell
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
How many people use their devices at "max" brightness I wonder? I rarely do and just let auto-brightness do its thing. It's kind of like top speed on a car. Whether it's 110MPH or 175MPH really depends on how often you drive at those speeds. Outdoor visibility is probably the biggest area higher brightness would make the most difference but AMOLED's already handicapped there any way. The SGS3 was even dimmer against the One X than the SGS4 is against the One. But somehow, everyone that bought a SGS3 survived. ;)