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[Xperia Z General] romcio47:
I wish we, Xperia T users had an informer like gbil...

The thing I hate in Sony is that they dump the support for their phones pretty quick. You, Xperia Z users got more JB updates than Xperia V + Xperia T together... and there are many bugs on T's, V's, TX's JB updates. That's not fair, I'm jealous :(

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[Xperia Z General] G1_enthusiast:
I dont think shooting in lots of lighting is ever an issue with the Z. Its shooting in low light that is the problem.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Thats not entirely correct…at least for the T!

The T that my girlfriend have had the original JB update and recently another one! So this makes it 2 JB builds!

And the V I think is the same.

The Z already came with JB so I think it doesn't count…And since then we had 2 updates!

I think it's normal that the new device receive more attention, specially since there were quite a few bugs.

Sony is slow, I mean, very slow delivering updates (in my opinion). But the T and the V will have support in the future, don't doubt that ;)
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
i understand your frustration, but, take a look at the people with LG and HTC Devices LOL
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
nothing is as bad as my friends note 2. Clean stock note 2 bought 3 months ago in HK, one day he woke up and the phone died, bricked, and theres nothing he could do.

I tried to help but nothing works, and Samsung Canada would not help him, some phone stores tried everything they could and it just wont boot.

I just sat there and laughed and tell him not to buy another samsung again. LOL.
[Xperia Z General] cheetah2k:
This is probably not the best forum to bash Samsung.

I'm on my 4th Sony Z, 2 suffered SOD and the third had more than 10 dead pixels. My current Z has 1 dead pixel right at the top of the screen so I have chosen to ignore it... I also have a HTC One work phone and I'm on the 2nd one of those - the first also having poor build quality and dead pixels. Before that I had a Samsung Galaxy S III which held strong for 15 months before trading up on the first of the Xperia Z's.....
[Xperia Z General] romcio47:
Well you may be right but I'm afraid that soon Sony will do the same as they did with Xperia S. They still don't have Jelly Bean. They can soon tell us:

"well, Xperia T/V/TX users, we won't update your phones above 4.1.2/4.2.2 because you don't have enough power in your phones to clearly operate with this system. 1 gigabyte of RAM is too low. BUT HERE'S THE UPDATE FOR XPERIA SP AND L! :))))))))))))))))))))"

Just look at the 2011 Xperia devices and Xperia J. J got JB and 2011's are "too weak".

Xperia U and Xperia GO too. GO got its JB and U is too weak (both have 512MB RAM but magically on Xperia U it's too low!)

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[Xperia Z General] cheetah2k:
Yeah, every handset manufacturer except Samsung and Apple seems to drop support pretty quick.. I'm just hoping both my Sony Z and HTC One work phone gets 4.3 - at least!

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totally agreed there. My wife had the Xperia GO, but just ditched it for the S4 as there was no hope for updates, and the handset was POS slow....
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
lol youre just really bad luck with phones...

anyway, im more curious of what google has to bring with 4.3, 4.2 isnt that much of a big deal to me. The current .253 has nothing that makes me want to upgrade it. no easy root method, not worth my time setting up my apps again, and light flow doesnt work, dont want to count on other apps.

and 4.2 for z and announcement for 4.3 is just around the corner. :highfive:
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
thought it might be relevant to post, but i think 253 firmware made my phone retarded.

battery drain still present about a week of usage, used a clean full wipe to install

reverted back to 434 which was perfect before, but now is still laggy and battery draining.

guess i will have to do a factory 434 restore and start again...
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Yeah well, that's a bit what you get.

People are screaming about 4.2.2, but when it's bad everyone will start crying how bad it is. I'd prefer that Sony takes their time to bring out a steady build.
[Xperia Z General] pjgowtham:
Your battery will be calibrating in the initial days of usage..and u checkout the usage after week of update...it will be back to normal
[Xperia Z General] :
it cant be bad becouse they usethe same code from the latest firmware 253
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_to_update_ascend_d1_p1_and_honor_2_to_android_42-news-6100.php

Even Huawei is releasing the 4.2 update for their year and a half old P1…What a shame Sony :(
[Xperia Z General] Nameless One:
Until they actually release it it's all as much hot air as Sony's promised update currently is.
[Xperia Z General] msc3169:
We, at xda, are probably 5-8% at best of the total customers who actually moan about not having the latest updates on their devices. So from any manufacturer's point of view our moanings doesn't matter as much.

The way I see things, you got what u paid for in the first place, anything new you get is simply a bonus, so be happy.
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
And who said Sony isn't releasing 4.2.2 for the Z ? They might even testing it as we speak :cool:
[Xperia Z General] gamedsku:
Any improvement in the camera quality :)
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Battery life seems great to me, hitting 2+ days with stamina on with quite a few calls, data and wifi not always on . In general I would stay I get a bit more than previous versions.

Photo quality is hard to say, I don't have identical pictures before and after to compare but resulting files go up to 4MB.

[MENTION=1931643]mitsosoft[/MENTION]: you have a point regarding display colors, comparing the updated ROM to the current one, the updated one presents a better white. It is better than before for sure.

Regarding my credibility, I've proven it many times now and no I don't work for Sony - even if I did do you think I would write it??? :eek:
[Xperia Z General] droidhd:
Everyone wrote about whats new, I would like to know when this update comes out :). No need exact time, but for example week, two or so...
[Xperia Z General] :
any change with widgets?
[Xperia Z General] OsiBasi:
No source, no proof. Atleast a picture of system version could've been applied.

This seems like bullcrap to me :/
[Xperia Z General] broke23:
and what's your input in posting this?!

rather let it pass and don't bother posting bullcrap like this...

some of us believe what's being said, some of us don't, live with it and stop moaning about it, your post has no use at all
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Nah, I'll do something different.
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
I would love to see a simple scrollbar added in the sms convos, rather than having to keep flicking through all the way back to the older messages. Is this possible to be intergrated in the future? :fingers-crossed:

EDIT: Just seen the screenshot - Pulse notification light & white balance? Oooh :D Thanks for sharing that!
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
If you can upload that surly you can upload the build number.
[Xperia Z General] pandaball:
Except that build number is easily faked. The screenshot he posted - not so easy to fake.
[Xperia Z General] Zorua:
Got damn it, was kinda hoping this would be 4.2.2. Oh well, something's better than nothing.
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
I already say that another 4.1.2 before 4.2.2;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40546866&postcount=237
[Xperia Z General] Lyin729:
but when:laugh:
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
Why can that not be so easily faked?
[Xperia Z General] G1_enthusiast:
if recognize dev back him up then i will have hope ;)...
[Xperia Z General] Zorua:
Because you'd have to edit the settings apk to get that Pulse Notification Light to show up in the menu, and as far as I know, you'd have to decompile the apk and put it in. It can be faked - but not so easily.
[Xperia Z General] DomFel:
ex-Fat support????
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
I'm hoping it's true.... But my point is it can be faked. Just saying.
[Xperia Z General] OsiBasi:
That's better! It's all I was asking for. Some kind of proof.

Now... Leak pliz I needs zeh firmware. No jk :p
[Xperia Z General] niaboc79:
I can confirm that ;)

Xperia S have this new option too ;)
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Some people think that software doesn't need to be thoroughly tested and it's just a case of building it and pushing it out.

Those same people would be at the head of the queue with the pitchforks and torches if Sony release a buggy 4.2.2 update :D

Personally, I would rather wait a while to get a good release than have to wait longer for bug fix releases after the fact.
[Xperia Z General] decentgi:
what some people are trying to say is how can a less than mediocre company like Huawei can release 4.2.2 then why cant sony do the same but what they dont see is how that particular device is running or whether the software is adequate or not, it could be running terrible for all they know.
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
Sony have their own apps and services that need to play nice with the ROM or its a complete fail.
[Xperia Z General] pjgowtham:
Whats the next patch about...we saw ur signature...comeon..no teasin us.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I nerved said that Sony isn't releasing 4.2.2! They just don't deliver like they insinuate they do...

Yes because Sony is primarily know for delivering late but bug free software…right :rolleyes:

The problem is Sony is one of the most slow manufactures to deliver updates and one of the buggiest!

Xperia Z was circulating since last year and they released it with 4.1.2 with lot of bugs (sudden death) and awful color choice, screen calibration, camera quality!

Only after 2 updates and almost 3 month after release they correct it, or sort of…Maybe thats why the can't deliver what they promise, a "soon after release 4.2" update! I mean, soon in my dictionary is 2-3 month tops! Not 4-5-6 month…

It's because they are slow and bad coders that we have to wait and that is my main complain. And thats one of the reasons why Samsung (unfortunately) continues to outshine Sony!
[Xperia Z General] MafiaManV:
It's been discussed. There's not gona be 4.2 update till all sony devices are on 4.1 ...

Waiting on XS :)

Sent from Sony Xperia™ Z
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
Go get your facts right before posting.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Definitely your post was very useful and contribute a lot for the discussion… :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] EmeraldTimer:
What about 4.3?
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
Better than Samsung fan boys comments.

It's not even announced yet.
[Xperia Z General] Ame123:
I just dont understand why everybody is crying for the 4.2 update and bashing Sony...guys even the HTC.one has no 4.2 update any where near to release..we should just wait for the update instead of bashing Sony..yes they are late but still no phone has launvhed with 4.2 excep some new galaxy devices..
[Xperia Z General] :
they must fix the camera in the new update the photos look like its a paint
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Here is how you show (again) how young or childish you are…

Never counter argue anything that I said, simply call me a fanboy! Another great comment full of content… :rolleyes:

Just so you know I always was an iPhone user and I'm on my first Android now! And guess what…it's not a Samsung.

What do I have? Yes it's a Z!!

Why I'm being critical? Because I can be critical even if I love my phone. I always liked the simple design and simplicity of iPhones and iOS…but one day that wasn't enough. And the Android that I like and fulfill more of my taste and needs was the Z.

I knew already that I could have slow updates but I bought anyway. I continue to think that I have bought the one for me.Is this going to stop me from criticize the company if I thing they are doing things wrong? NEVER!

You called me a fanboy? Look yourself in mirror boy!

You can do what you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Samsung is always a step ahead in software updates and (most of the times) cpu.

But they use crap plastic and their design is not very appealing.

And the last time I checked this was free to have my own opinions and, in this case, pointing facts.

So if you don't have anything to add to this discussion, make yourself a favor and don't comment.

People have to realize that their embarrass themselves when make that kind of comments… :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
An update taking as long as it takes is not a company doing wrong.
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
Don't get personal dude, why so serious?

All I said was get your facts right because Sony updates arent full of bugs, you know whats full of bugs? Samsung updates.

Samsung is ahead of any others because they were the first few to adopt android during its early stage. Think back, SE was dominating and stayed with its OS where as others like Samsung started adopting android.

Early adoption is one of the major reasons that it gave Samsung a huge market share. Updates came later, and how many users out there really cares about updates? All we see on xda are updates updates updates... We are nearly a little percent of users that cares about updates since we have more knowledge than those who dont care.

Majority of users out there are simple minded users. How else did Apple gain huge market share? All part of marketing, aiming for the majority,
[Xperia Z General] GodShapedHole:
I used to have a Galaxy Nexus and didn't notice many user-facing changes when I got the 4.2 update. The biggest one was the new lock screen, which I didn't like nearly as much as the old one - and the XZ lock screen is different anyway.

I used to have 4.2 before I shattered my Nexus, and I'm not missing anything now that I have 4.1 on my XZ. I wouldn't mind getting updated, but neither am I antsy about it. I'd like to get 4.3 eventually, but only because I have no idea what's in it, so I'm curious. In any case, 4.1 works.
[Xperia Z General] AntonyStark:
In a thread about the bleeding edge some guy is posting about old phones and an OS that barely changes....
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Guys this thread has no longer any use. I'll ask the moderators to close it.
[Xperia Z General] ApriliaM3:
Closed as requested...
[Xperia Z General] mitsosoft:
Getting 2+ days it's really hard for me (Stamina on, Data Traffic on and location based wi-fi on) :p but definitely battery life/management looks like it got better with this version!

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I'll double that! And it will work with Stamina on! ;)
[Xperia Z General] justgotusedto1.1:
I love how anyone can say anything about anybody or anything and if they add the words "just sayin" at the end it's fine.

Just sayin...
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
really 4MB ? it looks like Sony has worked a bit on the Compression :victory:

actually pictures 13MP 1,5-2MB
[Xperia Z General] :
i hope they improve it more until the release of the new update and add a option to change toggles
[Xperia Z General] Seaclean:
That's a very welcome patch indeed. Since some of you already has it, does it mean it'll be released shortly (like, say, 1 week-ish)?
[Xperia Z General] Kevin_seymer:
I belive you and really glad you say pics is like 4mb means Sony have fixed compression issue maybe...but really worried you say root exploit is not going to work...

Do you have any idea if root will be achivied in any other way or have they locked the phone completly?
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Name 1 popular phone that people weren't able to root.

It's just a matter of time before people find new ways, no worries:)
[Xperia Z General] robogo1982:
Damn and blast. Now how to root the phone?

Waiting for the magic of goroh_kun and huhka_com, I guess :)
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
Small ot: Where is the problem of the root? If we have already a root and we update to new version via ota or via flashable cwm firmware we Mantain the root.. Exactly?
[Xperia Z General] graffus:
When the update is expected? May? June?
[Xperia Z General] mitsosoft:
If you already have root and update via FOTA you will not lose it.

If u don't update via FOTA then the existing exploit doesn't work.. U will get up to the point where u are in the service menu, service test, display and it would go no further than that!

But still, this is for the time being and i guess it's just a matter of time to make it work! ;)
[Xperia Z General] Wahad:
What's FOTA? :/
[Xperia Z General] danw_oz:
Firmware Over The Air, that can be pulled from your phone, rather than pushed from computer
[Xperia Z General] Wahad:
In this case, updating your phone through the phone app for system update, if i understoood it good.
[Xperia Z General] cheetah2k:
How far away is this update??
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
I have no estimation on the release date but couldn't be far, it's just a patch.

I haven't tried to create a prerooted ftf image but I guess that will be a way to root the device until an exploit is found.

You mean the exploit? yes it does by disabling service menu starting from the emergency screen.

Haven't seen anything new on these.

Haven't noticed any.

Haven't tested that to be honest.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Good day gbil! I'm curious if asking for some photos from the camera would violate the rules laid down in your OP.

Maybe some outdoor shots on a sunny day or something like that + the setting you used just to get an idea of how the camera functions now?
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
You can't preroot Sony ftf files, you can unpack them and repack them to a system.img for fastboot, but that won't help. Only way to keep root for locked bootloaders will be to wait for someone to provide a flashable zip :) I'll update my rom right away for sure ;)
[Xperia Z General] metcard:
this update has me more excited than the 4.2.2 update.
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
True my bad, I'm used having a unlocked bootloader and messed up the 2 processes in my mind :silly:
[Xperia Z General] Jacka696:
It's possible for someone to upload the rom with the new version ? Thanks

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can you provide foto take by the APN ?
[Xperia Z General] mitsosoft:
Hopefully the roll out will start within the next 2 weeks! ;)
[Xperia Z General] cheetah2k:
Did you even read what the OP said??? Geeez...
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
Any news on whether the ZL will get the patch (right away)?
[Xperia Z General] mitsosoft:
Same version will be released for ZL as well.
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
Means need wait another exploit. I need root. :)
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
The people that have the patch can pm me about root, if they want me to try something :p
[Xperia Z General] Wahad:
And again, if I update through system software updater, would I lose root?
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
No
[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
Don't know if it's just me, put I took a couple of pictures outside of flowers with Auto mode (not superior auto) with the stock camera app and got file sizes of up to 4,65MB. The lowest I had was 2,4MB. So I don't understand this talk about 1,5-2MB picture size.

Also, the photos look amazing to me.
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Which firmware are you using?
[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
It's 10.1.A.1.434 on a simlock/branding free handset. I've attached the untouched, zipped, full resolution picture with 4,55MB size.
[Xperia Z General] meister00:
Will there be a better status bar like the one come with docomo version?

Also, any "kill app apps " nutton at the multitasking bar?
[Xperia Z General] kalo88:
I'm on the current stock firmware and get between 1.5 to 2.3mb pictures
[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
so why is that huge difference? I get between 2,2 and 4,6MB. I don't understand how that could be possible.I did not tweak anything with the stock camera app, only used auto mode, HDR off, image stabilization off, no scene mode, no gps tagging, no manual exposure, white balance or anything. Everything fancy free! Maybe that's the key to larger files and possibly better quality?
[Xperia Z General] BobKatz:
It's because you're using 13M 4:3, if you change to 9M 16:9 the file size dramatically drops. Try it.
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
You couldn't be using auto with it set to 13mp. Maximum is 12mp in that mode.
[Xperia Z General] BobKatz:
From above they're not using Superior Auto
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
He said in his post he only used auto everything else off.
[Xperia Z General] lukaszde:
Is there any options to change grid size in Xperia launcher ? I would like to change size from 4x4 to 5x5 ?
[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
yes, not superior auto, only normal auto mode and with 13MP resolution

Of course, if your're using 9MP 16:9 the file sizes would be a lot lower since it has 4MP less of resolution and that would explain the file size differences. I always assumed that everybody was using 13MP 4:3. I use it, because why waste resolution if you have it available?
[Xperia Z General] Ame123:
Just take a photo of any thing in which the canera has to capture many things for example photo of grass or like the above example lots of small flowers u'll easily get photos upto 5mb..
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
Think that's where the confusion set in. Just when you said auto dude. It's superior Auto then just normal. Not normal auto.
[Xperia Z General] kalo88:
Even on 13MP my pictures never really go much over 2Mb...most seem to be 1.7-1.9mb tbh
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
+1

Different firmwares.
[Xperia Z General] OsiBasi:
This megabyte comparison is stupid it's like you're measuring your penises and brag about the biggest.

Yes the Z has a problem with noise reduction. But bigger size in pics isn't what makes the pics good...

I've got digital cameras taking pics of 1,5mb, and the pictures are better than any phone.

Btw my pics go to about 800kb using stock settings. They look just as good as when I change build.prop to do less compression (they go to about 1.2 then)
[Xperia Z General] G0belet:
Quick thought about the rooting "problem", can't we just unlock the bootloader, root, then "relock" it by reflashing the original TA image? Unless the new version disallows touching the TA partition or the bootloader is just patched enough so restoring it wouldn't work.
[Xperia Z General] robogo1982:
There are some of us who have a permanently locked bootloader.
[Xperia Z General] swrajjoshi:
I don't think so....you might have try go launcher or a custom rom
[Xperia Z General] anirudhks:
you can but you will need root access and once you can copy the launcher file to ur pc you can edit a couple of xml file and move it back ..
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Nope.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
i can vouch for his credibility! in the past he has provided very reliable information and i dont see why this time it will be any different!
[Xperia Z General] defsix:
Well that confirms it ! It's as if Jesus had spoken himself :D
[Xperia Z General] decadan1977:
Agreed.
[Xperia Z General] lovemyarc:
LOL!

I second you man! :D
[Xperia Z General] :
but sony said 4.2 afther release i need toggles sony you idiots
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
Calm down, there are mods for toggles, everyone can install them you only need root
[Xperia Z General] soldiers33:
Is c6603 and c6602 counted as one same phone? Or will it be getting different updates at different times?
[Xperia Z General] adamtan:
In my personal opinion, i feel that photos are over compressed.

Mine is about 1.2Mb to 1.5mb and it's still comes out grainy and all. Nothing to do with noise reduction because of daylight photos.

tried with different settings (intelli auto, normal, scene selection, exposure, hdr etc etc), but nothing much change the fact