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[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rEVOLVE:
The story so far: I've had just about every Galaxy Tab 7" - from the Original, to the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, to the GT 7.7. I also have a Galaxy S3 and a Note 2. I love the Note 2 and when it was announced there would be a Note 8 I was excited that I'd be able to go to one device that was the 8" and have the phone capability that would work w/ my smartwatch and headset. They had to make a worthy successor to the 7.7, so I picked up the 8 the other week.

I am on the fence whether I keep the Note 8 or not - when I use my 7.7, I can't help but feel that the 8 could have been so much better.

That 7.7's Super AMOLED Plus screen has sex with my eyes, the Note 8 screen is ok, but it's strikingly obvious when you hold them side by side. Let's face it, on a tablet, the screen is a major factor of your experience/enjoyment and even though it would have been nice to have a higher resolution, I really miss the deep black for contrast to the vibrant popping colors. Also miss the battery savings from AMOLED when using dark backgrounds and UIs. Plus the 7.7 screen didn't have the pentile problems of other AMOLED screens.

The build quality, metal back, and thinness of the 7.7 was actually pretty nice for its generation. So many people overlooked it and now that Samsung has gone to the all plastic back like their phones it just feels less nice (not as important as I cover with a case anyway).

The 7.7 was just on the upper boundaries of fitting in some of my jacket/back pockets - the 8 definitely no longer fits in some of them and sort of hinders my use of being able to stick it in a pocket and not carry around a tablet bag (man purse).

What I was hoping for with the 8 was the current OS, stylus, HW guts of what they released but kept the build materials/quality and screen of the 7.7. Also wish they released the phone capable one on my carrier Verizon in the US - that would have been everything I wanted.

Has anyone else come from the 7.7 w/ the Super AMOLED Plus screen?
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] davp:
My path is 7.7->note 10.1->note 8

I agree the 7.7 display and build are at a higher level, but it also was very expensive +50% above note 8 here. The 10.1 and 8 have so many other features I don't mind the display regression.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] guthrien:
Those 2 devices mixed would be an incredible device. If it had a good display (just equal the 7.7 even) and 3g/4g I'd sell my note 2 and be completely device satisfied.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] bbfoto:
I agree that the Tab 7.7 was/is a great device and display, and Samsung's best overall build-quality in a mobile device to this date. Unfortunately, Samsung priced it WAY out of the market to be considered by the general public and iPad users, and even very few of us geeks considered it because of the price alone. I also wish that they had the foresight to have slimmed down the long side bezels (like the iPad Mini) so that it would still fit in my pocket like the original Tab 7. At the time, the size and pocketability, and 3g/phone capabilities, were major advantages to me over the 9.7" iPads.

When the 7.7 came out I was ecstatic about the SA display and the build quality, but I was like, "Nooooooooooooooooo" when I found out the width and that it would no longer fit into my pockets. :( The original Tab 7 could and would go with me everywhere! The iPad 9.7 and Tab 7.7 would not. :(

Having used the Note 8.0, I agree about the display (as compared to the Tab 7.7), but it's not really that bad or noticeable unless you compare them side by side. You can also dim the screen on the Note 8.0 so it is barely lit for night viewing/reading in the dark. I also love the weight, balance, and bezels on the Note 8.0 because it is the most comfortable Tablet I've held to date. However, I would love to see how it feels (ergonomically) in hand and in day-to-day use with slimmer side bezels, so it might be possible to fit in my pockets!
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rEVOLVE:
I guess I don't think about price too much if the device meets my needs. I got the 7.7 for the same price I bought my Note 8 on a company discount, but there are still many people that think the $399 usd they want for the Note 8 is too high. There are rumors of a higher end successor to the 7.7, but without the stylus, I'm afraid I'd be again disappointed from having an "almost perfect" device.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] leginag:
Looked at the GN8 Wi-Fi today, and where my Galaxy Tab fit easily into my pockets, the GN8 just barely squeezed into it. Add a case and I doubt it will fit. Which is a big shame.

I do wish they had slimmed down the bezels. Doesn't really need to be so big =/
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] bbfoto:
^Agreed. Personally, I don't think that the $399 price is too much for what the Note 8.0 WiFi offers. But I think in the general public's eyes, $399 IS too much. They don't understand the unique features, they just think, "it's an 8-inch tablet with a bunch of icons/apps" and they are probably more familiar with iOS apps.

First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.

$330 and $400 are a big difference in the consumer's mind. Again, they don't compare the unique features, they are both just 8" screens with icons. (We know know the real difference.)

I think $349.99 would have been the better price for the Note 8.0. It's still quite a bit below that psychological "$400" mark. And then people could rationalize that, "okay, I'll get a slightly sharper screen and a stylus for just $20 more than the iPad Mini. Cool." But then there's that build quality/premium feel of the iPad Mini. Is the S-Pen enough to make a difference? "Hell, the kids will probably just lose the stylus anyway!" So iPad Mini it is.

Unfortunately, at least in the stores, Samsung doesn't do a good job of making the unique features known.

Research shows that A LOT of people use their tablets while watching TV. If a store display (especially at Best Buy where they sell a boatload of HDTVs) demonstrated the Note 8.0 IR Blaster as the bad@ss Universal Remote that it is, I think that a lot of people would have that "Holy Sheit" moment..."this is awesome, we could get rid of all of our stupid remotes!"..."just wait 'til the guys see this at our next Monday Night Football GTG!" And how many of us have TVs in our bedroom, and also use our tablets to read while in bed? Just another use case scenario.

...anyway, I would LOVE to see a 1080P, non-pentile Super-AMOLED Plus display in a Note 8.0 with thinner side bezels! Samsung, are you listening? :p

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Yeah. Sorry, mate. It's frustrating because it just needs to be trimmed by 5mm or so. :(

I suspect the extra bezel all around is to fit more battery...which is important, but...
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] robyr:
People, the bezel size is to combat erroneous touches while holding the device. Seriously, its one of the BIGGEST gripes about the iPad Mini, and I, for one, greatly welcome smartly sized bezels. There is literally no reason to slim the bezels on a tablet.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] sputnik767:
It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.

If Samsung wanted the make an Ipad mini competitor, they would have, but the Note 8 is in it's own category. As far as the price, you have no idea about the actual profit margins of the Note 8, so you can't possibly decide the appropriate price point.

To put it simply, if all you want is Youtube and Angry Birds, this tablet is not for you. This tablet is only for people who have use for the Wacom stylus and can justify the price point for it. It is not going to steal any sales away from the ipad and was never intended to.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] redpoint73:
But what if the Hyundai actually has more horsepower and more features? The iPad Mini only has 512 MB RAM compared to the N8's 2 GB. And of course the N8 has the pen digitizer and removable SD. Not important to everybody, but these features are really important to others.

And of course its a completely different OS and ecosystem. The iPad, any iPad, was never a serious contender to me. Ever.

Now of course many of your points are right when talking about the average Joe (who could probably care less about what I just said, if they even understood it at all). But the N8 is pretty clearly aimed at a niche market of enthusiasts, not the masses. If average Joe just wants a cheap gimped device as an introduction to the tablet world, they can buy a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0. The N8 is aimed at those that want more.

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Well put. We are clearly on the same page.

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As far as the title of this thread, not everyone likes AMOLED. I've seen many folks on XDA comment that they find the artificially saturated colors and contrast on AMOLED screens nearly unbearable, and can't stand AMOLED (and actually avoid it on purpose). Of course, its a matter of individual taste and preference. I personally don't feel strongly either way, and think the screen on the N8 is just great.

As for "why", I assume that Sammy saved a few bucks using TFT instead, to offset the price of the pen digitizer and keep the price where they wanted it.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] guthrien:
I've said my piece about the screen several times, it is what it is and not good enough for my needs, but for those mentioning hand feel/weight I'd highly suggest picking up a demo at the store. I think that's one of the best things about it. It's weighted about perfectly for a device like this. Any more pocketable and you're basically back at the note 2.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] chakra:
No No your completely wrong, the ipad mini is like a set of directional summer tires rated vr with some cool tread pattern and the extended road hazard warranty. The note 8.0 is like a big set of nobby mud tires, maybe 35's.

That explains the difference perfectly........

OH wait, no its more like the ipad mini is a strawberry ice cream cake, with flowers on it, and maybe a little toy on the top, and the galaxy note is more like a chocolate shake, with sprinkles and whipped cream....

No, wait I have a better one.......

The ipad mini is like my roommate Ernies rubber ducky, and the galaxy note 8.0 is like my pet pigeon Bernise.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] redpoint73:
I can see this new device forum is already shaping up with some comic relief! ;)

Always a good things, as these discussions can often get a little too serious . . .
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] redpoint73:
Of course price is a factor. But the Apple brand is a big one, too. I have no doubt that many (or even most) of these folks you're talking about would still have opted for the iPad Mini, even if it cost more than the Note 8.

Average Joe probably weighs brand reputation and price over everything else, by far. They usually don't have the knowledge to even understand the features, specs, or even difference in build quality and screens. But they will often just buy a brand they know has a good reputation. Apple very much wins in this category. Although Sammy is gaining traction. I'm finally starting to hear people mention "Galaxy S" more and more in casual conversations about smartphones, instead of just "iPhone iPhone iPhone".

I'm with you on the build quality, or what some call industrial design. Sammy's penchant for plastics has turned me off to their products for a long time. Their build quality is still very good. I'd even still consider the Note 8 a premium look and feel. It would just be a whole league greater if they used higher quality materials (but also probably heavier, and maybe thicker). The aluminum body on my old HTC Flyer is probably the only thing I miss about it, versus the Note 8. But HTC is staying out of the Android tablet market for now (I'm hearing they are planning Windows 8 tablets), which is one of the primary reasons I've gone to Sammy.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] mingkee:
I really like the screen of Note 8 even the contrast isn't unlimited as Note 2, but it does not have "burn in" problem.

In addition, Quadrant is good as Note 2 and the battery is pretty decent.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] bbfoto:
^^Well said, redpoint73, and agree on all points.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] GSLEON3:
I'll take LCD over the psuedo-HD Pentile AMOLED screens anyday.

Unless deep contrast (at the sake of true color at times), LED just doesn't match LCD. Just like the big displays, LED is still behind LCD & plasma in overall quality of picture & clarity.

It is great for battery life, LED, but I use the Note 8 in sunlight frequently & while it does not have quite the brightness control of the Note 10.1, it is still pretty good.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rEVOLVE:
Don't compare this AMOLED to others you might have seen - have you even seen the Super AMOLED "PLUS" screen on the 7.7? The "Plus" means it was the only implementation of AMOLED at the time that was not prone to the pentile issues observed on many other AMOLED displays. Do some web searches and you'll see that claim backed up if you can't get in front of one. Everyone who's seen that screen in real life loves it and "over saturated" is a complaint made by no one that's used or owned it. Everything looks more "lush" on this screen and if the Note 8 display looks drab in comparison.

I've been carrying both my Note 8 and 7.7 around and have put them both up for people to compare and it's the 7.7 screen preferred every time. If they really were trying to sell a device that would compete and sell well with regular users, all they would have to do is put that same screen as the 7.7 in and put it side by side with the competition - regular folk who haven't fallen for the "over saturation" sheepspeak would agree the screen was better.

Also I have a mount on my dash for the tablets and you can definitely tell that the 7.7 is easier to read n the full sun than the Note 8.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] GSLEON3:
I cannot speak for the 7.7, but as for just about every other LED Samsung has released including the GS3, washed out blues & unnatural white or lighter pastel type colors is in fact my opinion, which is not based on what anyone else may say or think, but what I have experienced with the multitude of devices at my disposal.

Also, I said "deep contrast" & "at times at the sake of true color", not washed out, just unnatural color, like you see on the S3 vs the HTC One X. I don't know what in the hell you mean by "fallen for the sheepspeak", but what I said is exactly my experience with the devices I have or have had. One last bone of contention, who the heck says "sheepspeak"? I only see cobbled together words like that in Apple/Android rants by fanatics, folks that think Jesus will flood the world if everyone doesn't repent & swear allegiance to the giant Android/Apple deity. :p ,,!,,
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] guthrien:
Yea, this is not a really beautiful LCD, it's more like serviceable. I understand how their amoled screens drive some people nuts (personally I think of Samsung over saturation as sort of a friendly quirk at this point) but this isn't a strong alternative. It has good viewing angles and brightness. It's not as bad as say.. the first kindle tablet I had. You can write really well on it, and I think that's the most important thing they got right. Digitizer works great.

You guys think the battery is impressive so far? I'm thinking only OK, but the Note 2 and iPad sort of destroy all other gadgets I've tried for battery usage.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] roustabout:
The battery's the weak link for me so far. Especially since the charger for my anker backup battery is on the fritz. I'm still waiting to see what we see when someone pops the case open on this. I'd like to try a note 10 battery replacement stuffed into this, even it meant the plastic back was replaced with duct tape and love.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] sputnik767:
I bought this tablet above all others for 2 reasons. One, it offered the Wacom stylus, and two, the only other 8" tablet is the ipad mini. I didn't play with either before picking this one because I already knew what to expect out of both. Of course, I am a different customer than the typical tablet buyer. As a medical student, I plan on making extensive use of the stylus for taking patient history as well as taking lecture notes. The difference between this tablet and the ipad mini is that the ipad is a media consumption device. It is great for watching videos and playing games, but not so much for content creation. Let's face it, the on-screen keyboard will only get you so far. That's why I maintain that the ipad and the Note 8 are not competing against each other any more than a truck competes with a passenger car. Yes, they are both 8" tablets, but that's where the similarities end.

New, the average consumer does not care about anything other than price, apps, and performance. This is why the average consumer will go for the ipad or the nexus tablets. Both of those tablets are excellent for content consumption and if that's your primary use, the Note 8 is not for you. However, Samsung is not stupid. They know full well that the Note 8 will not take any sales from the ipad mini, and it is not intended to. It competes in a niche market, for people who need a tablet that has handwriting capability, and I am sure they did their homework and researched their customer base. If you are wondering why the average person bypasses the Note 8 for the Ipad mini or Nexus 7, it is precisely because of price. The average consumer simply can't justify a $400 price tag for feature they will have no use for.

So why did I feel comfortable buying this tablet sight-unseen? I have extensive experience with Samsung devices (Galaxy S2 and S3 phones), and have seen the performance benchmarks of the Exynos SoC. But primarily, I can justify the $400 price tag for a stylus-capable device because something like the iPad Mini or the Nexus 7 is absolutely useless for me. So why would I pay $200 or $350 for a useless device when I can pay $400 for a device I will actually use?

In a nutshell, the Note 8 is not the iPad Mini, nor is it intended to be. And it will never sell even close to as many units as the iPad. And that's fine. A Porsche is not going to sell as many cars as the Camry.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rEVOLVE:
Then you should have stopped there, as it's been established that the 7.7 Super AMOLED "Plus" is apart from many AMOLED implementations. You mentioned pseudo-HD pentile and there you go comparing this screen I'm referring to that you admit you've never seen with all the rest of the pentile AMOLEDs. This is exactly what I mean by "sheepspeak", which is parroting something without having personal experience with the actual topic.

Yes, all other LEDs you may have seen or devices at your disposal, other than what the thread is actually about.

I explain the term up above, if you didn't get it the first time. I think it's rather clever actually. Your "fanatic" conclusion from my use of the term is either a veiled insult or actually says more about your reading comprehension. If the former is true, my response is appropriate, If it's the latter case, I apologize. I truly am sorry.

I respect that you and others would have a negative opinion to AMOLED, but I'm also going by MY personal experience which has been positive (at least with the iteration of the 7.7). I've been using the 7.7 screen for a year, and if you check the 7.7 forums on this site, no owners actually ever complain of oversaturation or pentile.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rEVOLVE:
So after using the Note 8 for a week, I'm realizing that I have to crank up the brightness more on this device to view comfortably (compared to the 7.7 screen) - and that's definitely affecting battery life. On the 7.7, I could always turn waay down to save battery and still view comfortably.

As a test, I just turned both devices screen brightness all the way down - and observed them indoors under common house-lighting. The Note 8 is not very comfortable to read/view at lowest brightness but the 7.7 is actually fine. I have to bring the Note 8 just under 1/4 of the brightness bar to (kind of) match the 7.7 levels.

When turning both devices' brightness up all the way, the Note 8 is evenly lit with a slight loss of contrast. The 7.7 is not as bright as Note 8 at full brightness - but because of the battery issue, I'd only ever do this when on power or under direct sunlight. I took both outside just now under heavy direct sun, and was pleased that the Note 8 was more easily viewable than the 7.7. Like I mentioned earlier, I drive with the tablet on my dash and the sun can make it hard to read, so that's a nice point in the Note 8s favor.

Given my common usage of the tablet will be mostly indoors but away from power, I'm afraid that I'll keep using the brightness at a certain level which the Note 8's power-inefficient screen will definitely decrease battery life.

I know this is far from a scientific comparison - more just my casual observations. I thought it would be a useful info for anyone interested.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] roustabout:
The 7.7 is still available and still commands a respectable premium. I remember it being expensive at launch, as well, though I don't remember how expensive.

In the wake of this morning's coverage of the underwhelming tab 3 specs, I ran across a rumor that there will be a tab 8.0 coming, and that they're hoping to do an AMOLED screen for it, but there are issues with burn-in on the screen.

My view is that this rumor is wrong. I think the first two devices on this list are the 7 incher announced today and the Note 8.0. The next two devices will be the refresh on the 10-11" form factor tabs made for Google and also for sale under the Samsung label.

That said, this is what sammobile reported over the weekend, and Samsung has certainly been willing to launch overlapping form factors in the past.

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/04/29...8-0-amoled-tab-11-super-pls-tft-and-nexus-11/

Samsung Galaxy Tab DUOS 7.0

- 7.0” PLS LCD 600 x 1024

- 3 Megapixel (back)

- 2 Megapixel (front)

- Dual-core

- DUAL SIM

- Micro SD 32 GB

Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.0

- 8.0” AMOLED 1080p

- 5 Megapixel

- 2 Megapixel

- Quad-core A9 (Exynos 4412)

- Micro SD 64 GB

* Samsung need to solve AMOLED burning problem first.

Samsung Galaxy Tab 11

- 11” Super PLS TFT

- 8 Megapixel

- 2 Megapixel

- Dual-Core A15 (Exynos 5250)

- Micro SD 64 GB

NEXUS 11*

- 11” Super PLS TFT

- 8 Megapixel

- 2 Megapixel

- Octa-Core A15 / A7 (Exynos 5410)

- Micro SD 64 GB (Rumoured)

* Needs to get approvement from Google (Worlds first Octa-Core tablet)