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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] madlaw1071:
There's a lot to like about the One. It is a FINE piece of hardware. I had no issues with battery life, the screen is gorgeous but cramped due to the menu bar. It was ridiculous on HTC's part not to have included a menu key.

Blinkfeed sucked in comparison to FlipBoard. Cant wait to try the S4's enhanced Flipboard.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] lunercrab:
U know all this talk about Samsung s4 I wonder if it's worth holding off a bit...I'm due for an early upgrade on may first but actual contract on may 8th...I keep seeing different places having different deals...like Frys for 149.99...micro center in Columbus Ohio for 99.99... wonder if it's worth buying it somewhere other than att...thoughni do like how easy it is to swap out at an att store if there's an issue....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] valleng:
Exactly. Buying from ATT you shouldnt have any run-arounds as opposed to random places. Im off contract so..yeah lol. Will definitely go and try the S4 tomorrow. If I see it I like the new software improvements over the One I'll switch then and there. I like the new s-pen features with the finger, they are actually pretty useful. The waving to move the page down is kinda meh to me. I am not a chef, or do anything dirty with my hands when using the phone. The only cool one I think is the wave to answer a phone call. The scrolling by tilt/head movement is veryyyy nice. Im always with my phone in bed at night and read forums ,etc. Having the One I realize how much I miss smart stay and now have to turn off auto-rotate. That coupled with the tilt device down to scroll down is a perfect match.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] t2abousa:
I just picked up a white s 4. I had the black s3 and last week got the htc one. The one is gorgeous and sexy, but i feel like they didnt give enough of the front real estate to the screen. And I just love the crazy vibrant colors of the s3. I did find myself bored with the One and I will be bored of the s4 soon. But i feel like there will be a bigger number of roms and such for the s4. Hence my decision to ditch the htc one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] seh6183:
I'm sorry guys, I know this is the s4 forums but I just can't stand up for this device. It is the same cheap plasticy crap all over again! It does NOT feel like a premium device in hand. They really need to get it together. I understand their position of wanting to keep the device light and easy to handle, but it feels cheap. As a matter of fact, it just plain IS cheap. I literally think they are trying to save on materials or something when they construct these things. Just pick up a note 2 and slightly twist the body, the whole thing creaks like the inside of a 1993 chevy cavalier.

The screen is pentile again. The screen is beautiful yes, but it is again pentile... Pentile sucks and is a fraud. Its specs shouldn't be allow on the same playing field as non pentile screens.

Touchwiz is the ugliest crappiest UI on the market today. Motoblur was worse, but in this day and age we have things like windows phone to compete with. Touchwiz is ugly and the majority of its feautres, while "sometimes" helpful, are just plain gimmickey. You have to be honest with yourself about that.

To those of you that say "yea well touch wiz will be gone and I'll be using AOSP soon". I say to you good luck. Samsung is moving away from Android and are not releasing their sources like they used to. When you do get AOSP it will be broken, just like it was on the s3 and just like it is on the note 2. I have both devices.

Also the annoying menu button that pops up on the one can be disabled and the HTC logo can be turned into a menu button. Just wanted to point that out.

Now with that being said, the s4 has more of the specs I am looking for on PAPER, but not real life. I much prefer amoled, I want the biggest battery on earth, gorilla glass 3, faster processor, thinnner, bigger screen. It goes on. But then it comes back to me being force fed touchwiz garbage that I absolutely refuse to use. It feels like going back in time to froyo or something.

Been a samsung user for a long time but enough is enough. Its turning into apple around here. I didn't come into here to blast the s4, but I guess it just turned out that way. I only wanted to point out my frustrations.

/vent
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SysAdmNj:
:eek:

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Positive thinking :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] sam2c:
Many people who have played with the phone say it doesnt feel cheap just because its plastic. Since when does light weight, balance and modularity automatically equate to cheap? Its like when people complain about plastic lens barrels, calling the lens cheap. Its meant to be used not gawked at. The finish scratches easier, it dents on impact, its heaft mean more f=ma when dropped and not something that your neck and wrist appreciates on extended use.

You can run Nova launcher or something similar if touchwiz is not up to task for you

I feel that alot of the hate for the s4 is steming from the One. Yes, aluminim is cold to the touch and has that hefty feel, but that not necessary for a phone for it to be deemed premium. The One is a nice phone, so is the G4, and i wouldnt call either one cheap. High quality plastic have their place, metals have their place. Both have their strength and weaknesses and calling either one inherently "cheap" is wrong
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] americasteam:
So, you gettin one?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] seh6183:
Yea just pre-ordered lol

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Ok but you see the problem here is that the galaxy line is not made out of "high quality plastic" such as polycarbonate or the like. It's made out of cheap, thin, flimsy plastic that red beer cups are made out of. And I would say that the majority of people will probably hate touchwiz much more than they do the build quality of the phone. Its an OS thing thats the problem more than anything in my opinion.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] sam2c:
As far i know, it is polycorbonate
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] dxwilliams40:
I really want the S4,but I need to have the international version. I know if I go into bestbuy tomorrow that I will be returning my HTC One for the galaxy s4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] eroracing:
This makes want an s4 even more!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ZPaul2Fresh8:
You mad bro? Sounds to me like no phone will satisfy your needs...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
According to who? Owners? It's got detail issues all of the time, exposure issues some of the time, and only clearly excels in very low light situations. And like every HTC camera before it has post-processing issues that make everything look like an oil painting. And I know, "the update will fix it." Five updates later my One X camera had the same issues it had out of the box with a little better color accuracy and better autofocus after the "updates." And you can't zoom or use the low light settings when using Zoe which you need to do for a lot of the features. Unless the majority of people's pictures are very low light the SGS4's camera is a lot more versatile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] seh6183:
Not mad but I guess you could say disappointed. Only trying to open people's eyes to some key things is all. Ok bro?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SysAdmNj:
I've held both and the gs4 feels fine to me, not cheap at all. If anything the htc one felt cheap to me like I could bite it and dent it, and I've seen that thing come apart pretty easy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ZPaul2Fresh8:
Yeah I suppose. I just feel the quite opposite. It's a very very good phone. Will probably be the phone of 2013. Satisfied completely. :):beer:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Bjray:
I dont own a One but after playing around with both phones side by side, I definitely noticed the difference and it didnt help that I was using the S4 for 2 days already (I got accustomed to the 5 incher)...

Sent from my Galaxy S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] lunercrab:
Yeah and I noticed u can't use flash with zoe either....zoe was what I was most excited about...but I was kinda disappointed honestly....

I will say that I did prefer sense 5s dialer, keyboard and messaging app better then touchwiz...I don't mind touchwiz...usually used nova anyways...but I always used 3rd party message, keyboard, and dialer on the gs3

And as far as the feel of either phone...I never go naked with my phones...all the time I use a heavy duty case like an otter box commuter....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jtc276:
I was dead set on buying the S4 three months ago and eagerly awaited its launch date. After the launch, I was disappointed but I was still convinced that it would be the best phone on the market. And then the videos came and showed obvious lag which I thought probably had to do with pre-production software. And then I read that the audio output was good but quiet, so basically the same as my Nexus 4 (and if you increase the volume limit with software, it sounds terrible).

For some reason I still wanted it. I liked the design and still do to a certain extent. The front of the device is sexy and does look premium. But the sides and back look even less premium than the S3 which I believe pulled off a premium look with its faux-brushed aluminum effect.

But the icing on the cake had to be the AT&T variant's locked bootloader. I have issues with any manufacturer locking a bootloader with no plans on supplying a way to unlock it (like HTC Dev or Google's Android Toolkit). And after reading about how much the AT&T and Samsung apps were making the device slower, I decided the S4 isn't for me. I need root immediately. The One already has root and can essentially run any of the ROMs made for international devices. It's basically a ROM users "dream phone" (other than tbe Nexus 4, which I already have) and I'm not going to give it up because the S4 can sense my finger a half an inch away from its screen and sort of scroll with my eyes (which appears buggy as hell in videos). This time I'm purchasing a phone for sheer hardware capabilities. And the HTC One wins in all areas except the camera and expandability. It's sexier, has better audio quality, and a better screen (though it is slightly smaller).

And don't even get me started on the new version of TouchWiz and how it looks less modern than the TouchWiz version that shipped on the S2...

Sent from my Nexus 4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] knlmwq:
I currently own the HTC One and prior to this phone I owned the Galaxy S3. For me, Sense 5 if miles ahead of touchwiz. Touchwiz just looks so childish and has a cartoon look to it. While sense 5 looks very professional. If everyone is being honest, it goes without saying that the HTC One is a better built phone. Even if it wasn't made of metal, the HTC one just looks better. The second biggest draw for me was the front facing speakers. The sound is amazing and it is nice to actually hear some bass from phone speakers. Not to mention when you set your phone on a table the sound doesn't get muffled due to them being on the front.

The advantage of the S4 is the 4.99 inch screen vs the 4.7 inch screen of the htc one. That is really the only advantage. If we explore the features of the S4 you have smart scroll which no one will use after the first week max. You have a removable battery which can be a deal breaker for some so if that is the case then S4 is your only option. I believe those who truly care about a removable battery are in the minority, and that is even considering those who regularly participate on XDA. If the MAJORITY of individuals on this forum don't even care about a removable battery, I am certain those who never root, etc could care less about it. Those who want a removable battery are just more vocal.

In regards to each camera, they both take great images, for a phone. One difference is the HTC One clearly taking better pictures in low light situations. As far as camera software features though, it seems Samsung just adds more gimmicks again though. How many times in your life have you ever wanted to superimpose your face into a picture that you were taking and send it to someone. It just looks silly. Let me put a heart boarder around my face?? I personally really enjoy zoe and highlight reel on the HTC one. All the pictures I took in a day are automatically composed into a 30 second video clip. Imagine taking a trip to vegas and taking random pics then having a highlight video created for you instantly. And it truly is instant.

Both phones have an IR remote function. I have not used samsungs but I have been controlling both my girlfriends tv and my tv with the htc one.

At the end of the day you cant go wrong with either phone (if you like the look of touchwiz). It is just surprising to me that people really like the gimmicky features of the galaxy s4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bgaccord:
Like what you said. Both phones are nice .
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kevnuke:
Is anyone paying the slightest attention to the fact that if you don't like Sense5 OR Touchwiz, the problem can be fixed with a 10ish second download from the play store? I mean seriously, there must be at least a few dozen launcher apps, just as many apps that replace the stock messaging, keyboard, camera, and gallery apps.

I learned how to root my AT&T Captivate the day I got it because I freaking took 5 MINUTES to read about it (and I knew an AT&T sales rep that did it for me the first time HA!), and I had never owned a smart phone before that.

And does anyone REALLY believe that the locked bootloader is going to be an issue for long, if it hasn't already been circumvented by the time I finish this post?

Guess what? All those apps you don't like, that you consider bloatware, they go POOF! as soon as the devs figure out root. Titanium Backup ftw!

Just, PLEASE, don't prey on peoples' ignorance to make very minor things seem like deal breakers. Now, the lack of a menu button, static (unremovable) battery and inferior camera, yes, all are a big deal to me as a power user. Notice they are all HARDWARE limitations and can't simply be changed by an app download or a ROM update.

How about instead of complaining about what's wrong with something, become part of the solution that works on fixing and improving it.

Captivating (Xperia themed) ROM (JB 4.2.2)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] peacekeeper05:
sell the HTC get the GS4.

Got bored with the HTC One fast. The only thing that made me want the The One is the hardware, I came from the Galaxy Note 2 so the new build material was new to me. But it got old fast. After 2 days, I felt that the HTC One is just another Android phone, nothing new, nothing exciting.

I love my Galaxy Note 2 and there is like a hundred ways of using that phone. So I never got bored.

This lead me to the conclusion of selling my HTC One to get the S4. SOftware gimmicks or not, I really feel that it is more of an exciting phone than the HTC One. My friends are getting the S4 so having a similar phone to them adds up to my excitement.

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All the hate and trolling the S4 is having currently makes me want the S4 even more than the HTC One.

Makes it more exciting. :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] knlmwq:
If we look at STRICLY hardware, you can't get 2 front facing speakers on the S4, you can't get the premium design quality on the S4. You can't get as good low light camera pictures on the S4.

You can't get a 4.99 inch screen on the htc one, You can't get a removable battery on the htc one, You can't get a microsd card on the htc one.

My personal practical use with the HTC One is to listen to music from my phone while I workout. I workout often and it is nice to have great speakers to do so with. And the superior sound is not limited to just the speakers. Sound is great through earphones as well. If you use speaker phone a lot, play a lot of games, or even watch a lot of youtube videos, you may appreciate the front facing speakers.

If you always desired to have a note sized phone but never pulled the trigger for whatever reason, then consider the galaxy as it has a nearly 5 inch screen. Maybe look at the 4.7 inch screen right next to the 4.99 inch screen and see what you prefer.

I believe someone mentioned that you have a menu bar taking up screen real-estate on the htc one. This is easily removed with root and now the menu bar is gone, and replaced by either double tapping back to bring up the menu, or many other customized capacitive button presses to bring back a menu button.

Just remember, no matter how many apps you download from play store, or how much rooting you do to your phone. You will NEVER be able to run pure HTC Sense on the galaxy s4. And you will NEVER be able to run pure touch wiz on the HTC one. If you have no intentions on rooting or really doing any type of customization, then the decision between HTC Sense and touchwiz becomes even more crucial. You have to look at your phone 100's of times a day.

At the end of the day, PLEASE stop acting like one of these phones is just the absolute perfect dream phone, while reducing the other phone to be an absolute piece of garbage. It truly is possible that two GREAT phones have been released on the market in a short period of time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Bigjim1488:
Spoken like a true isheep oh wait, this is a Samsung thread.... Weird. :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] paleman27:
Say no more.... No external sd card? No removable battery? Just these two alone are a "deal breaker" for me. I currently have the SG3. When I travel with wife and kids I pack an extra battery, because I use the Maps a lot and as a pacifier for the kids too. So when traveling, one battery won't get me thru the day!

No external sd card? What are you gonna do if your phone falls in the water and is render useless? My precious vacation pics, videos and whatnot... I just remove the external SD card and keep on moving...

No brainer here. I'm getting the SG4 as soon as the store opens....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] sabre31:
I have the one and s4. How do you turn off the menu button I didn't see that anywhere. Also the s4 IMO is way better and much nicer screen.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I know you'll find this shocking but some of us actually use the s/w features in TW that don't exist in Sense. Sense 5 has even fewer features than Sense 4+ because a lot of things were removed to push people toward BlinkFeed (which is actually a TechRepublic white-label). That HTC's phones don't even offer an Awake Stay equivalent which no one can argue is a "gimmick" is pretty reflective. Samsung's piled on the s/w (once again) but the device doesn't self-destruct if you disable it in app settings. And Sense 5 is actually bigger memory wise then Sense 4 was because it relies on HTC's framework that actually grew this year; probably because of Zoe and BlinkFeed. No one here has to like s/w features but don't assume you're speaking for the masses. Here's the memory usage of the One and SGS4.

I agree. TW hasn't really changed much since the i9000 aesthetically and Sense is much more polished looking. But as said above, it does 1/3 of what TW does. So just like the devices themselves people have to pick which is more important; form or function. For the real “purists” they both suck compared to AOSP.

No it's not. To make beautiful phones HTC concocts incredibly complicated designs to build. That complexity leads to assembly issues. "Good ones" are fantastic. There are discussions on all the One forums about "gap-gate" and having to go through multiple exchanges. Samsung's designs are simpler to produce with far fewer QC issues reported; especially taking in to account a sales ratio of 10:1 compared to HTC's phones.

That's really what it comes down to. The One's a beautiful phone, has forward facing speakers, and a camera with better very low light capabilities. Outside of that there isn't a single feature or spec that's not better on the SGS4. But a lot of people are influenced by design which is the only reason the One's getting so much play this year. That and Samsung didn't help themselves by so mildly updating the SGS4's design.

And the One deforms when it's dropped because with its "unibody" metal design there's no way for energy from the fall to dissipate. Form over function.

Yes they are. But they aren't the same and how clearly one is the "right choice" depends purely on what an individual's priorities are and what they are willing to give up or gain by picking one over the other.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
It's so funny how the look of a phone will just be in a case anyways...

Just wait till next generation after all these reviewers dent their aluminum and have no means of pulling it off and replacing it.

I say this as a future One and SGS4 owner.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] americasteam:
Well, returned my One this morning and swapped it out for a white S4. Pretty happy camper here. I feel it's a much better device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kevnuke:
I said nothing of the sort. Only what's important to me, personally. Also I don't want or care about having pure HTC Sense or Touchwiz, which is why I use Go Launcher EX.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Bigjim1488:
I simply feel this way. As samsung releases phones I feel more and more like I am buying an iphone with different branding. I am not liking the way samsung is locking things down and trying to put me into their closed garden. I've even read articles stating that samsung is planning to go away from android and start their own UI. No doubt this is a great phone but we can see the tides turning just with the amount of bloadware that was placed into the phone. Yes I know it can be removed but with locking the bootloader they are trying to force us to keep it.

Maybe it's just me but I don't like being forced into a closed garden, I'd love samsung to offer a Dev version like HTC does (I don't want to shell out bags of money for the international version) so I can do my own thing with it.

I'll stop ranting now.:eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] frensel:
That is not the case. The Nokia's patented "dual-membrane microphones" of HTC One is actually better than the microphones of Samsung Galaxy S4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] seh6183:
Touchwiz is arguably the ugliest ui on the market today.

So by buying an s4 I would be forced to look at the ugliest ui option on the market. FORCED. I I do not like being forced to do anything. I want options. I left apple because I want options. Samsung took away my options double time. Not only have they locked the bootloader in a totally unprecedented move, they also convinced me that, just as they did with the note 2, they won't release sources and drivers so aosp will always be limping along.

Samsung just lost the development community on this one. And without devs an android phone is nothing.

And to those of you who somehow believe that a ui is only a launcher, I have this to say to you: LMFAO
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] valleng:
Well I got it so far I like it. The new features are a welcome surprise
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ratchetjaw:
This is a great site. But to say Android is nothing without developers is just.....not smart. Do you realize how many people have Android phones now that could care less about ROMs. ASOP or Cyanogenmod. Millions
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Bigjim1488:
I believe he was just speaking about the folks on here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] seh6183:
Yea they're called ios users.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ratchetjaw:
Oh okay I see. I understand. No offense meant.

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Lol not all. I was actually going to try and leave this one factory so I wouldn't have issues with allshare and I like the tv remote. Not sure now
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] valleng:
I'm planning on leaving it stock also