yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
Yes it's the wrong thread for my post, i forgot where i was after reading some of the posts discussing antennas rather than aesthetics and got carried away. Sincerest apologies. And while i'm at it i'll remind any others to please stay on topic as it can be a little confusing reading essay length posts with colourful graphs, quotes and unsubstantiated opinion about a subject that doesn't belong.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That makes sense. The surround is also plastic which is another signal access point. I said it before; they do deserve credit for pulling off a metal bodied mobile device with decent reception where many others with bigger R&D budgets have failed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
That makes no sense. Reception on WiFi (which lacks diversity on tx/rx) is most severely degraded when you cover the back metal piece with your hand, without a case. Covering the front basically does nothing.

The antenna IS the metal piece. This is not some magical new technology, Apple did it for the iPhone 4 and 4S. Edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/15

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If you're supposed to know a lot about cell technology, you just revealed how unbelievably uneducated you are. WCDMA is a catch-all term for UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+.

The FCC test referenced is a base case for reception testing. All I can say is that the One has better reception on cellular than an iPhone 5 and most definitely a GS4. WiFi is notably better but because there's no diversity for it that is much more susceptible to unintended attenuation, even if active tuning can try to counteract it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] danieldmm:
Well, i see a lot of Samsung Love here, its a good thing, got the HTC One about a week ago and probably will have a S4 when it will came out in my country but its a shame to see pepole flaming HTC, its a fantastic phone. I dont have any issues with im, good reception, good sound in calls. I will never put a cover over my fones, its crazy to hide the fantastic job done over the phones.

HTC over the One have done a fantastic work.

Pepole concerning with scratches?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
All the demo HTC Ones I have seen in stores all have scratches on the back of the device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I got a One and have a slight scratch on the back, its small but its there. Got the Double flip case on it now so its not as durable as people make it out to be, same with the iPhone. Plastic on my S3 back case had a crack in it by removing the case a load of times. Nothing is scratch or crack proof. Just get which one you prefer, or in my case...both :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Here talking about S4 plastics in ONE threads worried about aluminum getting too hot at point to break camera glass. :eek:

too many issues for my taste, i think I'll stick with S4 plastics.

...I want to see how the glass will be replaced.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2247754
[Galaxy S 4 General] danieldmm:
[MENTION=1493949]BarryH_GEG[/MENTION]

I agree in some points, in others not. Its all about taste.

Do you need sdcard slot? Do you need extra battery? Well i dont need.

I will not show some pictures of my S3, the arrow its cracked in 2 places, i have a bump near to earphone jack, a little of scratch over the device barely un notice.

I stick to my point of view, S4 and One are the giants in this momment.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
The Chinese One in your photo has the exact same metal body as the international One, they just ripped out all the LTE-related equipment and 2 or so WCDMA bands in order to have enough PCB space for a second SIM and a microSD slot. It is a plastic cover underneath but that's only because of the removable back cover.

The phone gets hot for a reason. We've been over this. Either you get throttling issues under load, or the phone dissipates heat into your hand. The former makes the phone feel less hot at the cost of battery longevity and internal component load, the latter makes the phone last longer at the cost of having it feel hot in your hand.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Excellent question. ;) The real question is whether I'd willingly give up features based on design or materials. Personally, at least between the SGS4 and One, the answer's no. I did buy a One X over the SGS3 and accepted comprimises but the One X's fantastic display was the primary driver. If not for that I would have bought the SGS3 even though the One X was a far better looking (and feeling) phone.

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The stampings on the back (with the cover removed) certainly don't look like they're imprinted in aluminum. Here's another pic from a different angle. The part where the SIM slots and SD card are looks to be a seperate component from the plastic surround. It still looks like plastic to me from the stampings but you could be right about it being aluminum. But with all those screws attaching it to the front section of the phone it's cerainly not the same unibody as the international version.

That's fine, as long as the design accounts for it. Using a plastic camera lens when allowing a device to run hot isn't terribly logical. Letting a device run hot and take a toll on internal components isn't terribly logical when 90% of the masses wouldn't even know that throttling was taking place in the first place. It's one thing for XDA'rs to unthottle their devices knowing the potential consequences and another to allow a device’s longevity to suffer in the hands of people that could care less. A throttled S-600 or Octa is still faster when throttled than Exynos Quad or S4. There’s a reason cars have temperature lights or gauges on their dashboards. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
Your credibility is zero now. The back cover is metal. Once you have it on the phone it looks the exact same as the international version.

As far as I can tell, the plastic lens is actually glass. Letting a device run hot is exactly what happens in the S4, it stays hot and continues to throttle. The One has the exact same thermal daemon to control thermal shutdown. The difference is that the perceived heat from the metal is greater because it is more thermally conductive.

The One never needs to throttle in the first place because the internals stay cool enough to not have an issue. You need to go back to physics 101 and learn what thermal conductivity means and understand why heat sinks are made of metal instead of plastic.

Making snide accusations that HTC didn't put a thermal daemon in their kernel is dumb. Stop grasping at straws. The fact that you confused CDMA2000 and WCDMA shows that you know nothing about RF, and you complete lack of understanding in thermodynamics shows me that your credibility is exactly zero.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'm crushed. Don't you have some defending to do back in the One forum? In looking over some of your posts in other threads today they are purely flame bait. As you've said before when you've sufficiently ticked people off in a thread, "I'm done."
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Scratch tests with keys have long since been found to be pointless because most phone materials are already harder than the key is. What you really have to worry about is sand because that can scratch up everything and it gets everywhere and easily accumulates in your pockets if you're out in the midwest or near the coast, or you just go trail hiking/camping.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
It's a shame that you're getting so angry. Perhaps you might want to do some more reading and less speculation.

At no point have I ever said that the GS4 was a bad phone, if anything, it's a great phone. There is zero doubt in my mind that it will completely destroy the competition in sales numbers. But trying to defend the plastic build because it delivers better reception or better cooling is just completely and utterly wrong. Trying to defend the camera as better with low light is just wrong. Trying to defend the screen as better with sunlight visibility and battery life is wrong.

On the flip side, trying to defend the One as good with daytime photos is just wrong, trying to defend the button layout is wrong, trying to claim that the display is higher contrast is wrong, trying to claim that the lack of removable battery/microSD is universally okay is just as wrong.

I would assume that your avatar is implying that you work for AT&T/the mobile industry. If that's true, you of all people should be trying to strive for technical accuracy and proper representation.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Southern_mind:
This thread is boring
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Well, the OP said he is bored. I find it fun, informative, to ho-hum--:)

For ho hum, I played again with s4 and did not like smart scroll. Maybe lack of expertise or just needs an update. I would disable to start off for me.

On heating. I played with both phones for awhile after others were on them. One was fairly warm like my one s on occasion and s4 still cool.

I am liking s4 atm but want a min 32gb, black

s4 also had great speed tests compared to one and my one s. not sure if that really means anything. but phones were all close together

just my 2 cents
[Galaxy S 4 General] falconeight:
The top phones from any company should offer some kind of special material that isn't flimsy plastic. Why pay a premium for something that feels like the plastic from a kids toy. Sure the S4 has awesome internals, but thats not enough anymore.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
From your article and iFixit it seems that the transmitter has prongs that make contact to the top and bottom parts of the metal. I can understand what you are saying now.

It seems like it's more about impedance control.

"By active tuning I mean a dedicated antenna tuner with the ability to match impedance and drive optimal SWR (standing wave ratio) across the antenna for each band or depending on the presence of a case or hand."

Here's a important part

"The antenna design is composed of some active components, special antenna feeding structure and the metal ID appearance. All are in-house design and HTC owned IP. With regards to ensuring high quality reception for all the various types of radio frequencies, we’ve utilized proprietary adaptive antenna solutions plus special antenna feeding structure and built in redundancies to ensuring that attenuation doesn’t affect the overall antenna performance regardless of how the handset is held"

They don't tell you how exactly this all works because it's proprietary but I still believe it has to do with the top and bottom grills that are removable and the top and bottom metal strips actual shape themselves.

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That doesn't look like it's glass but plastic. Glass would crack from heat, plastic would not. But from other images it looks like it's glass. As for what caused the damage, I'm not sure.

Hopefully the One goes through a few revisions before I decide to get one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] floydart:
It's jealousy - we've got a flying machine with a big screen for a reasonable price and they don't ;)

baaa <--- in case there are any iphone owners reading this, just talking your language :angel:
[Galaxy S 4 General] evilfuel99:
Oh lord can't we all just get along?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
No idea. There's just a whole lot of butthurt people here. I really could not care less about how the One looks and feels, and I don't care how the S4 looks and feels. I just get annoyed whenever people claim that the One's metal design is form over function, because it isn't, it just has a different set of compromises for a different set of advantages.
[Galaxy S 4 General] D0VeR:
no!

Gatorade is better!

Not only does is quench your thirst better, it taste better too!

Water sucks!

Im sorry, what were we talking about :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
The top and bottom speaker grilles shouldn't have anything to do with the RF of the phone. The internal PCB layout is completely covered with copper heat conducting/RF shielding tape and the PCBs completely cover the back of the phone, so RF emission is only coming from the back. Seeing as how detuning is a great concern for the design, it logically follows that the top and bottom metal strips are the radiators, just like how the iPhone 4's stainless steel band was for the RF components.

It was also noted at the launch of the iPhone 4 that the external antenna drastically improved reception over the 3GS, as even at extremely low reception levels (~-110dBm) the iPhone 4 had much better data/voice performance and could go further into dead zones than the 3GS could.

Edit: We're probably never going to find out exactly how the One's RF works, but there is more than enough data out there to reach conclusions on how it works on a broad level.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MarcquisDale:
?

Sent from my Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Yes, I can agree with your last part as it is a proprietary method and they won't share their research and test data with us.

But yes, they do use the metal casing, as to how and what it's doing and what items are integral parts to its success we can both only speculate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] megalosdog:
Ha

I have a gs3, and while is doesn't feel bad I like a premium feel. That being said you guys need to really and seriously grow the f+ck up. Look at how far some of you are taking it, it's really pitiful. Most of the people that are commenting are tied to one company and like to defend it. That's great and all but dawn do you have to take it to this extreme? Get over yourselves..
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
No one has brought the discussion to your level. You telling people to grow the "f*ck" up shows that you need to.
[Galaxy S 4 General] megalosdog:
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When I see pictures of broken down parts of a phone.. Then yes it has been brought down to "my level". Whatever my level is. Logical level?
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
So let me guess? You just saw the pictures but didn't read the discussion? Didn't even know what was being discussed? Go back and reread my conversation with hunter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] megalosdog:
Look dude I'm not here to argue (I know you like to) but yes, I did read the post and for real I'm looking at the big picture. Talking about miniscule things and even go so far as to post little pictures of internal components, the one and the s4 are great and 99.9% really could care less about anything any of you are talking about. I guess I'm in the wrong but damn man.. Get in to real life, I love phones etc. As much as the next guy but geez. There's no need to be all hostile about the topic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
I agree with the no hostility part but the name of this forum is "XDA Developers" the key term being developers and 99% of people aren't developers nor do they care about phones are much as we do here on XDA. Arguing over processors and specific components in devices is a common occurrence here and is to be expected when the forum is geared more towards power users and "geeks" than the common consumer.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Posting here insulting people and telling them to get a life and to quit taking things "seriously" is pretty ironic dude.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Hunter and I were looking at the inside of the HTC One and admiring it's awesome design of antenna reception. You came in and told us to shut the f*ck up. I think you were in the wrong.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Hahaha! you make my day !
[Galaxy S 4 General] Brad331:
Yes. Despite the fact that it's plastic, the texture pattern makes it look luxury and high-class. Also I think my S4 looks better than the One because of its extremely thin bezel. Phones look great when the whole front side is almost covered with the display.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
The S4 looks great honestly. All the " ahhhhh its plastic" is GREATLY exaggerated. I watched many reviews of the S4 and those that really make sense dont complain about the plastic, they might be tired of the design cause its the same as last year but they're fine with the plastic. But people are definitely exaggerating.
[Galaxy S 4 General] megalosdog:
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I used to be one of those "uhh plastic guys" but I just traded my dna for an s3 and I really don't mind it at all. What I do mind is when ever I flash a rom my reception goes to sh*t. Any ideas?
[Galaxy S 4 General] onesie13:
Check the S3 forums?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dohturdima:
That has to do with Sammy not releasing the driver source code and S3 having a crap radio to begin with. Stay with TW roms and your reception will be only limited by the radio. I hope that S4 has a better radio reception so that it is not degraded significantly by running an AOSP rom
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Loooool . The s4 looks feels and has better features then the one. .. no fan boyism here .
[Galaxy S 4 General] krabman:
Was just comparing my S4 to the HTC counterpart in Costco today. In order to be fair I put it next to my phone and imagined how it would look with the case I would have on it which is the same one on my S4 being the Casemate Toughcase. Turned out in my imagination they both looked like a rectangle of relatively cheap plastic with a screen on one of the flat sides. O_o

Seriously. I DONT CARE. I don't buy em to fondle em or impress people which would be useless anyways because unless the phone spit out supermodels when you dialed 1 880 HELLYEAH no one I know would care a rats ass about my phone. I buy em to use and if they want to spend money spend it on something inside the phone. Give me 4 gigs of ram, flux capaciter, something I can use. Some styling that will go into a case as soon as the phone arrives gives me nothing. Better yet if they want to do something with the outside of the phone they can make it out of a nice rubberized material that withstands shocks, doesn't slide around on car dashes and the like, has good grip, but not so soft or of a material that collects lint in the pocket. Thats a win. I don't have to fork out for a case and the phone is actually better instead of looking better but needing another 30 bucks spent on a case to make it suitable for real world use that will cover the "better looking" anyways.
[General Questions and Answers] gigsaw:
Sorry if it's the wrong place to post this question, I don't know where is the right place, I thought that the Nexus 7 is the most similar to the Asus Padfone. Do you know if there will be a section on xda for this new device?
[General Questions and Answers] najaboy:
If only there were a site-general, non-device specific place to ask such questions...

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=240
[General Questions and Answers] UnicornKaz:
FonePad

&

PadPhone

are

2 totally different devices

.... don't mix the 2 up...

down the line I can see a lot of confusion already...LOL
[General Questions and Answers] immortalneo:
You should ask here mate:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1660354

"To err is human, to forgive is divine"

Sent from my SGS II
[General Questions and Answers] russel51:
+1 all Fonepad owners in this topic! gogogo
[General Questions and Answers] samisama:
+2 fonepad 7 :D
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dicey2:
Can anyone point me in the direction of a download for the latest stock deodexed 1.29.401.13 rom for a European device?

I have looked at the ROM's section here and cant find it.

I have also looked at HTCDEV.com but all they list are roms for specific US carriers

Thanks
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ipguy:
i'm looking for it to, dump !
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dnydny:
The RUU hasn't been released.

This might be what you're after tho.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2224752
[RAZR HD Android Development] Orphee:
Hello,

I didn't take time to create a topic for this, but I think it can be usefull.

Here is a flashable ZIP file to "restore" Motorola SmartActions application in custom ROMs

You must have an unlocked bootloader, it must be flashed in recovery.

It is designed for RAZR HD only, the command line in the script to mount the /system in recovery is for RAZR HD.

( mount("ext4", "EMMC", "/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/system", "/system");package_extract_dir("system", "/system");unmount("/system"); )

But I made SmartActions works too on a GS2 and GS3 (by installing files manually in recovery with ADB).

I guess I could find a universal mount command line to make ZIP work on every phones... but didn't take time to check this.

Not every trigger are present in custom roms, I guess some Motorola Library are missing... but most of things work.

Bye :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] Xelios029:
Awesome, thanks. One of the most important apps I missed from stock, and it's great to have it back.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Markyzz:
Is the version on the Play store any different from the stock version?
[RAZR HD Android Development] Orphee:
Well, if I remember, you can't install the playstore version if you don't have the original already installed on your phone.

In my flashable ZIP, I already put in in the updated play store version.
[RAZR HD Android Development] thund3rbay:
FYI you don t need to be unlocked... just need the root, extract the file and put the files at the right place with right permission
[RAZR HD Android Development] y2kbadbug:
I am glad to see someone do this, but I am unable to add locations using CM10.1 on the XT926.

Without that ability the app is almost worthless.

Is there a missing app or anything for this?
[RAZR HD Android Development] Orphee:
I know some triggers are missing, didn't find how to enable them.

For my use the current zip is enough for me. (Silent hours with VIP, car dock triggers GPS and application launch...)
[RAZR HD Android Development] derheusel:
Thanks a lot for this. But finally i fall in love with Llama ;)

The only stock app i'm missing is Motorola Messaging (formated mail text and signatures)

Is it possible to do this?

thanks and regards

derHeusel
[Galaxy Ace S5830i Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Raxit k. Tandel:
How to install hell lock kernel ?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nabs Zains:
Start Odin and put the kernel tar file in PDA s and click on start
[Galaxy Ace S5830i Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] srt99:
why did u created a new thread just to ask how to flash kernel..!!?

u should ask such question in help thread, stikies in general section..

or u should have asked this question in hell lock kernel's thread...!!

if u would have first read the instructions, there wont be a need to create new thread for asking such questions which are answered many many times..!!

now since u have asked, if kernel is in zip format then flash it via cwm...if it is in tar format then flash it via odin as zain said :thumbup:

edit: my bad, i didn't realise that the kernel thread is closed !!!
[Galaxy Ace S5830i Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andronomer:
i Flashed stockROM DXMA1 becouse stuck on Logo (S5360)

didn't check IMEI

then I Flashed Hells Fusion#50

done

but then I realize that IMEI doesn't exist

is that the kernel problem/bug ?

edit : ouch!! mine is S5360
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] se7entijz:
Hi guys, I have the Huawei U8800 and it has the Official Gingerbread (2.3.5) B528 ROM and I read that I need to have 2.3.5 to upgrade to Aurora ROM, I did root the device and installed Clockwork Mod 5.5.0.4 which is compatible with that rom. I did wipe dalvik cache, wiped user data and all that. But when I flash the rom, it gets stuck on the Huawei Boot Screen and when I turned it off and on again it installed Android 2.3.5 on its own. On the screen it said upgrade firmware step 1 out of 2, do not turn off device. Any help would be appriecated as I have searched high and low for a solution, so I did try to find someone with a similar problem but I still can't solve it.