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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
The tower doesn't get throttled... The user does. Each tower has a set amount of bandwidth. As it get full (as too many people in one area or the ones connected use more data) the speeds for everyone slow down..... OR.... There is a priority order in your handset. What VZW is trying to do here is kick you to a lower priority on the tower. If you've ever been to a sporting event like an NFL game.... The towers nearby get overwhelmed. Each subscriber has the same priority so every is splitting a tiny slice of bandwidth. During the "throttling" or "network optimization" you will get moved to a lower priority... So others get the tiny slice and you get none.

This already happens with MVNOs and prepaid. Postpaid customers get first priority on a tower. If the tower isn't overloaded then it isn't an issue.

The tower near the poster could be a rarely used tower for the most part and whether he uses 2gb or 200gb it doesn't affect VZW at all... Unless it's a busy tower. Then every customer trying to use it will be affected. But here's the money grab from VZW. If I were tethering 1000gb a month from that tower from midnight to 6am everyday... It would make no difference. It's just a pipeline. But those are times when no one is using the pipe. But without the unlimited plan... You would be charged a small fortune for that usage even though it costs them nothing.

If people are using 100gb during peak hours then VZW has (in my mind) to level the playing field so all customers have a good experience. But if (and I suspect they are because they are a corporation) they are just trying to get heavy users on unlimited plans to shift to a plan that makes them more money based on usage alone.... Then it's bogus.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] s44:
100gb, yes. 4.7gb, hell no. If they'd set that number higher than the metered plans they actually offer instead of lower, there would be a lot less screaming about this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ryant35:
If you believe VZW when they say heavy users affect others then you are drinking the kool-aid. It's about money. I would be paying $80 more per month for the data I use if I didn't have unlimited.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] loonie01:
Damn. I thought I did a lot one month at 100 gigs.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
No doubt. I'm at 8gb for the month....it's a tad high for me...I'm usually in the 5 - 6 range....and I'd have to pay an extra $40 -50. Of course it's about money...or they would have put it at 10 gb where their highest advertised plan is. But while we have unlimited....TECHNICALLY tethering IS against the user agreement without paying extra. Sooooo.... It's possible to use 10 even 15-20 gb a month on a phone alone....but can anyone really say 100gb without tethering? That is where Verizon has a leg to stand on. I feel it's bogus either way, but technically I feel they have a right to go after those heavy users. But to claim 4.7 gb is a heavy user? That's when it's clear it's ALL about money. I'd rather switch carriers than switch to a shared plan on big red.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] kamameel:
Verizon Throttling Notice to User?

My question is, "If Verizon decides to "manage" (read: throttle) an individual's service, do they notify that individual that "network management" is occurring and what details (if any) does Verizon provide about that instance of "management?"

If anyone on this thread has the unlimited, or really any, data plan and has experienced throttling I would love to know if they received any notification at all when this occurs.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] chuciulla93:
Someone just started a petition to counteract this. I doubt it'll make much of a difference, but I signed.

Remove the spaces

w w w. change .org / petitions / verizon-do-not-throttle-your-unlimited-data-customers
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ryant35:
Also the FCC has commented they don't like that Verizon is only affecting customers based on their billing. So we have the FCC on our side.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] radpp16:
Awesome!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] syintiphic:
[MENTION=1165307]KidJoe[/MENTION] you are on point.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Dafrag:
Just as a small side note Verizon throttles the use of Netflix even if you are on wifi. I do not have the article bookmarked on this phone, but if you Google Netflix on Verizon there at articles about it. Netflix actually chastised Verizon and basically gave them the middle finger because Verizon was being such a douche about the whole thing
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] s0m3f00l:
How can VZW throttle the bandwidth of my rooted phone over my home WIFI? Furthermore even when Verizon is throttling my 4G after XXX amount of MB does it really mean its better to have a cap? After all what happens after you hit the cap?? Don't I just throttle my own bandwidth? Or when I start using Data with a cap don't I make sure I never go over?

No sir, I submit that even with the throttle its still a better deal to be on the Unlimited Plan.... Stay on it until they force you off. Don't be a fool and listen to the numerous VZW corporate shills on XDA trying to bait you with cheap phones and more expensive plans.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Dafrag:
Since Verizon can monitor your activity, and the apps you download they have something in place to throttle you when you are on Netflix. Your phone registers that you have Netflix, then has something in the backend that sees you're a Verizon customer then, on purpose, slows your Netflix showed
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] s0m3f00l:
No that's not correct... On a rooted phone you could simply remove whatever software did the monitoring. In fact most bloatware is the VZW crap on the phone. If you install a custom ROM I really don't understand what you are talking about or how it would be possible. Unless VZW is monitoring my home internets? Is VZW the NSA both have 3 letters? How can we defeat these ilumenarties? plz respnd.... Tell you what though, go ahead and post this in the developer forum and see what they say... lol.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
You sure you aren't thinking of FIOS? If you what you said is true, can you please find the article so we can chastise the author for being retarded ? Thanks ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Dafrag:
Lol I'm sure. It had nothing to do with medium from which Netflix was being run, but the fact the Verizon is always monitoring what you are running. I'll start digging for the article ; )
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
The NSA is always monitoring what were doing, Verizon can only see calls, SMS, and a rough location through tower triangulation. Anything else, given a user has full, aka root, access to software, can be deleted from the phone.

Granted, I suppose Verizon has the technical capability to preload anything they want on a device, but it's no secret as to what that is. I have debloated many verizon phones, decompiled multiple crap-red verizon apks, and have never seen anything that could possibly monitor another specific app and "throttle" it's network data connection... much less monitor or somehow control it's wifi data connection....

EDIT: After rereading this, I just want to clarify that Verizon can of course throttle network data from a specific device, but it cannot throttle data from a device's specific app without some type of software on the phone itself.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jaxle67:
Is for seem that with the amount of money Verizon is making they would use some of that profit to help with the congestion issue. I also have an unlimited data plan and have used up to 60 gigs in a month but normally stay in the 12 a month range. I haven't any slow downs but where I live is never been super fast maybe up to 10 to 15 MPs down. That's fast enough to do what I need but I wouldnt want it shower for sure. Jesse
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] radpp16:
If you have nationwide talk 450 and significantly underuse it, call verizon and haggle to get the Senior Plan 200 minutes ( you dont have to be 65 yo, just be pushy). Now that hangouts and google voice are one, no real need for minutes, just solid LTE coverage. Saves you $10 monthly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Galaxy*$4:
not to start war but thats why i love att, i got the unlimited plan back when i the iphone 3gs (when it first came out) well before then but i figured people know about the iphone yr vs the black berry curve years. (thats not really important)

but anyways i found out att starts cutting back data after 5gb. so now that i have wireless internet (faster then H+ here where i live) now i am down to 3gb a month. right now from sept 9th to now, 800mb on cell, 1.7gb on wifi. (i dont have to worry about getting throttled

and i agree, that unlimited is a nice feature.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] radpp16:
I'm paying the $20 surcharge. Are you guys sticking with it? My goal is to use 100GB/month.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Dafrag:
I am never getting rid of it.

I am working from home now, and I don't have cable internet yet. Been going on 1 well hooked up with 4g on my laptop ^_^

I'm at about 30 gb from work stuff since my last billing cycle
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] udg21:
So does this mean we cam get out of contract early?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] radpp16:
Not sure about your question. Don't get rid of your unlimited data plan. If you do want to get rid of it, consider selling it on ebay. google > "Verizon AOL unlimited data plan". Many folks doing it.

I have a single line unlimited data plan (UDP)

I just used the bb.com method sim swap and have extended my contract + got a new subsidized phone, thus delaying the $20 increase until 11/2017.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] udg21:
I did that last November and am good till 11.16 can I Sim swap again before then a re up it

On Nov 12, 2015 11:45 AM, "xda-developers
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
If you are under contract on the UDP... You won't pay $20 until the end of the contract term.... So I'm good until 8/2016. HOWEVER.... Once august rolls around and my contract ends, I will have to pay $20 more a month. If you read the pop up warning on VZW website it says you will not get charged the 20 until the contract ends OR you enter into a new one. So reupping your contract later (if possible) will not save you the $20.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
Anyone actually getting charged the extra 20.00. Mines coming up next month will they send me anything or will I just get charged.

Sent from S4 using the better than it was then they jacked it again Tapatalk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
Log into my Verizon Wireless online and you'll get a notice right on your screen. I don't get paper bills anymore so I don't think they have to send me anything as per the paperless billing I'm supposed to see online.... Unless they are required to email it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeyg79:
Just got my bill. Up $20 from last month
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] buton2:
i have two lines on unlimited data plans.... my family bill went up $40....time to switch to the limited bs?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KidJoe:
Depends... Cost it out..

How much data does your family use? What would a tiered plan covering that much data use? How does that compare to what you are currently paying?

For my family, keeping unlimited is still the better option, for now at least.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] onefastneonrt:
OK well Verizon snuck it by us unlimited data customers again. Under the new bill increase, Verizon said it would allow UDP customers to purchase new phones through its monthly device payment plan, so it was said. Well that is FALSE! You can use the payment plan and yes keep your talk & message side of your service but when it comes to your unlimited data, forget it you are bumped into a new data plan. Now I might be wrong, so if anyone has better info. please chime in.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] radpp16:
check out this thread. I got my plan extended with subsidized phone with their help.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7743625-ver...a-2-year-data-plan-on-a-nationwide-basic-line
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Redflea:
I have a heretical question: Should I keep my unlimited data if I'm not really using it.

My wife and I have unlimited data, kids are on 2GB plans.

My wife uses max 1.5 - 2 GB a month over the past 6 months. I use average of 8GB/month, high of 12 GB, low of 4 GB over past six months. My big data use is videos while on the elliptical at the gym. I can only work out so much, so unlikely my usage will ever get any higher. I've never needed to do any heavy tethering, don't see that changing either.

We could easily be on an 18GB plan ($100/month), $20/month per line, saving about $90 a month. Of course then we pay for our own phones....if we compare the 2 year cost assuming upgrading on current plan for ~$200 a person vs. buying phones for the four of us, comes out to about $350 year cheaper for the new Verizon plan. Not big money at all, but I could find other things to spend it on.

So my question is this - if I'm not really using unlimited data to any great extent (and never have) should I care about it? Are there changes to how data is used on phones coming down the pike where I might say "Oh man, crazy of me to give up unlimited data!"

Or is this a simple $ calculation? If it's cheaper to go to the Verizon plan and I don't need the unlimited data, let it go.

Appreciate any thoughts/advice about this. Thanks!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] radpp16:
The VZW wireless plan is highly coveted. You should look into Verizon Assumption of Line to sell your plans. http://grandfatheredunlimiteddata.com/

Some people are selling their UDP on ebay. I believe verizon has made this more difficult. I would at least keep one.

I am locked in for 29.99 until 11/2017 for unlimited data. Verizon now charges 49.99 for it. Next year they will find another way to get us off unlimited data.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7743625-ver...a-2-year-data-plan-on-a-nationwide-basic-line

The slickdeal forum discusses your issue alot.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChrisNee1988:
I have 2 Smartphones with Unlimited and 2 Dumbphones. Is this how I would keep my unlimited data?

Transfer/use the upgrade on a dumbphone to get the S4

Activate the S4 on the dumbphone line.

Swap Sim Card with my old phone smartphone.

Activate the old dumbphone on the upgraded line.

Cancel the data plan for that upgraded line.

Does that sound about right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jonnyredcorn:
I personally have AT&T and will argue Verizon is not the best Carrier available. I've considered switching, but AT&T customer care is just too amazing, even if they aren't the brightest people on Earth they will do anything to keep you as a customer. I've not only upgraded my phone 3 times in the past 2 years, I only paid $149 for the gs3 when it was released after only having my gs2 i777 for 7 months. Then 6 months later I got AT&T to give me a galaxy note 2 for free when it came out because I found they were charging me for insurance even though I wasn't able to make a claim if I had to because I used two claims in a one year period. After your second claim in a one year period you must wait 1 full year before being eligible for insurance again. Because they were charging me for something I couldn't use and should have been removed(Total spent on worthless insurance $34 over 5 months) they offered me a free note 2 with upgrade(funny thing is they sent me 2 note 2's on accident, they didn't even realize it so I made a quick ($650).

This was last October or so, and noe AT&T is allowing me to upgrade to anything but an iPhone for regular upgrade price I.e. GS4 for $199 instead of the $450 it should cost me for an early upgrade. It probably helps the account is under my moms name and she has had AT&T since '94 & AT&T u-verse(when I call I also let them know that I have U-Verse as well even though I haven't had it since I moved out of my apartment.

In my area(Wayne County Michigan I get consistent 4G LTE speeds everywhere). Verizon has spotty LTE coverage here in Metro Detroit. My LTE speeds range from 15mbps-45mbps down and 10mbps-25mbps up).

AT&T loves keeping customers as long as you know how to talk to them and immediately ask to talk to someone in cancelation seeing as they have the most power. Kill them with kindness explain how you love their service but are willing to switch to get what you need. Anything within reason they will help you with.

If any AT&T customers or really anyone on any provider would like me to call on their behalf to attempt to help out getting a good deal on something i will happily for a small fee(depending on time spent on the phone) PM me and we can discuss it further. I have worked in customer service for the mobile industry for several years and I know what they can and can't do.

Sent from my SGH-I747
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] driodman98:
People should not have to swap phones or do anything shadey just to keep the unlimited data. Thats why I left verizon and went to t-mobile.

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You have just been lucky and got the right people. I had nothing but hell when I was with ATT. I had one of those roll over minute plans and had like 6000 roll over minutes. Within 2 months they said I had an overage of 3000 minutes. Its physically impossible to be on the phone that much and have a life. But yet they said I used 9000+ minutes in 2 months. And dont get me started on the roaming charges they charged eventhough I had a plan for that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChrisNee1988:
I'm not interested in switching to another carrier.... so back to the point... has anyone tried doing this?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jonnyredcorn:
No I just know how the system works. If the person you are speaking to won't help you ask to talk to a supervisor. You have to make sure you are in the cancelation or rather Retention department. They will always help you with anything within reason.

Sent from my SGH-I747
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
this is pretty much correct.

tomorrow i'm walking into my local verizon store and using my friend's upgrade. since we aren't on the same account they have to activate the galaxy s4 on his line, tack on the $30/mo data plan for Nationwide Plans, then they will activate the phone on my line, reactivate his dumbphone and that will kill the data plan add on.

If he would have just preordered it and had it shipped i could have picked the phone up and activated it. But because shady people go into stores, sign up for 2 year extensions, buy phone at discounted price, don't activate, sell phone on ebay/craigslist, and then call back a month later asking about upgrading their phone and when CSR says they used their upgrade they play dumb and say "But i don't have a new phone....must have been a mistake!" Verizon really has no recourse. (<---super run-on sentence for your grammar nazi's :)

Just don't ever buy a SUBSIDIZED PHONE (ie Upgrade pricing) on either of your unlimited lines and you are ok. If you buy a smartphone for $1 or $1,000 on craigslist and activate it, you keep your unlimited. You just can't take advantage of in-store or on Verizon's website pricing and keep unlimited.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChrisNee1988:
You 100% sure you can stop the $30 a month on the other line?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
positive. unless 4 separate CSR's and 2 separate sales people at a verizon store lied to me. Which is possible now that i think about it....but no, i'm 99% sure it will be taken off and if it can't be, i'm 100% sure he can return the phone and go back to his old plan and then i will just buy the phone outright for $650.

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just called 611 again and another store again and both said that when you get the subsidized pricing on a phone by extending your contract 2 years you are not saying you will have data on your line for 24 months. That is only required for smartphones. So when my friend gets the smartphone and activates it and then they activate it on mine and reactivate his dumphone, the data will be removed and he will still be on his old Nationwide talk/text plan.

I will report back tomorrow afternoon with the results :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] enilm:
If you return the Galaxy S4 within the 14 days, do you get back your old plan of unlimited? Or that's it your are screwed?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] skiggs:
What about using Verizon device payment plan? You still pay full retail but over 12 months. And you get to keep your unlimited data. And you don't sign a 2 year contract.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
I would never, ever, EVER get a subsidized phone on my own line unless i was 110% sure I didn't care about unlimited anymore. I've HEARD you can get unlimited back if you try out a phone and don't like it, but i don't really believe it. Verizon will take ANY opportunity an unlimited user gives them to boot them off their precious plan.

Then you are stuck paying $50 for 1gb. Not worth it, ever.

Just think, if you want to install Nova 3 on your phone, you would use your entire month's data alotment and have 1gb of data overages. DOWNLOADING ONE APP!

Tiered data is terrible!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] griffsterb:
Just to clear this up so there's absolutely no confusion:

If you are buying the S4 (or ANY 4G LTE device) at full retail, and are CURRENTLY on unlimited with a 3G phone, you do NOT have to give up unlimited in order to have access to 4G on your new phone.

There was a lot of misinformation earlier in this thread. I had an iPhone 4 with unlimited data for two years. Paid $700 for the S4, received it today, 4G LTE enabled and I am still on unlimited.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] arcanexvi:
This. I've been trying to clear this up for a while.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] geoff5093:
I love how Verizon charges like $350/mo for a 50GB shared plan, haha. I'm still rocking the unlimited, I used to hate when people bragged about how much they use but after everything Verizon has been doing (including their news event today), I want to give Verizon the finger.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JihadSquad:
So I have two really old blackberry 8330s and a 4 line family plan. Can I reactivate those on two lines, upgrade them (keeping unlimited), activate the blackberries on the other two lines and upgrade those?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] griffsterb:
I'm not quite sure what you're asking. The only way you are forced off of unlimited is if you use a subsidy - ie getting a cheap phone in exchange for a new 2 year contract.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] icebear8:
so how would i go about upgrading to the GS4 with out getting rid of my unlimited? right now we have 2 dumb phones and 1 smart phone our plan is the 1400 min plan with unlimited text and data i want to use the dumb phones upgrade and get the GS4 and put that on my smart phone plan but then put the dumb phone back onto the dumb phone plan (the 2 dumb phones don't use internet at all as one is my mothers and the other is my grandmothers)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
read post #61 and then post #66
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] qzmpal:
Yes. thats the best thing to do. Get 2 Phones. I suggest You, to take Your Mother Line and get a SGS4 now and sign a 2 Year contract on that Dumb Line. But when You get that Phone, activate that Phone on the Primary Unlimited Data Line.

After that, wait for few days, and see what iphone5S/6 offers or You can get a SG Note3 for $200. and sign a 2 Year contract on Your Grandmother Line. Once again, after You get the new Phone, don't activate it on the dumb line.

Just put Your SIM from the SGS4 in the iPhone5S/6 or Note3. You are good to go.

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I'm on the same boat with You buddy. I want to show 10 fingers to Verizon,

I love the Plan. Officially I'm using more than 100 GB, no throttling, Got a new Tower, nearby, awesome, no Thorttling.

Its official Sprint terminates Your contract if You cross, 100GB.