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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
I hope it's non pentile, love the RGB SAMOLED on Note II. 1080p RGB SAMOLED is going to be awesome, It's already awesome as it is :D
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
Should read this ->http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2247245
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abilash001:
Roumers says DAT Sammy Gona use OLED or LCD4 in order to save power ...
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
^AMOLED is OLED. SLCD? Doubt it.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.m0x:
It better be 1080p rgb if they want me to "upgrade". Though I'm not that interested in 1080p, the reported energy savings of the newest oled screens is alluring.

Sent from the mighty Note II
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
Yeah, 1080p isn't a dealbreaker for me. I don't honestly still see much difference on a good, well calibrated 720 vs 1080p screens. Probably people with perfect 20/20 vision are the ones who swear they see it, but anyways, I'm more than good with 720p :)

If they switch to pentile instead of rgb, doesn't matter if it's 1080p, would surely feel awful tbh. Hate pentile displays :(
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-a_sQbRSo

Look at both screens there, Note II and S4.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xwonic:
aiotor algebras

Amoled screens have low brightness so I hope they increase the brightness on outdoor
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
Actually, it is possible to increase brightness of AMOLEDs a lot - but that would degrade the screen super-fast. Hence the low brightness levels/limits. And obviously the battery drain would be massive considering the whites draining a lot of battery already.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Atomix86:
I honestly cannot see the point in a 1080p screen on a phone, not that it is a bad thing by any means, but I find the current resolution more than adequate and more pixels mean higher battery drain/more stress on the gpu.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
In Microeconomics, in consumer choice theory, when analysis the indifference curve, there is a assumption knows as non-satiation, search them up.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
+1. Can hardly notice any difference between those full HD phones and my Note II after calibration. Actually to me N2 looks quite superior to many of those screens. Don't usually put screens under microscopes though :P
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Atomix86:
What on earth are you talking about?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
Basically, axiom of non-satiation says "more is better".

therefore 1080p > 720p.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Atomix86:
Nope, I have already stated I would prefer battery life over more pixels, the current display is fine.

By that baseless logic, you could say "more cancer is better than less"... makes no sense.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
Apparently some people have super vision and can see the pixels even in a 440DPI screen. (not joking)
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
Well (un)luckily, I don't even have 20/20 vision (still pretty decent eyesight, mind) and I'm good with my Note 2 :)

I think lot of the "way too obvious" differences people notice are mere placebo effect. I mean 440ppi full HD? That HAS to be WAY better right? Seeing what they want to see etc. But yeah, probably there are people with perfect super vision who can make out the difference.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
As soon as people needs a microscope to tell which one is better I loose interest. Even at home, when everybody is buying the new Hi-Res flat screen TV, I choose to buy a projector, It's only 720p but the size is 300cm X 170cm. No TV can beat that yet
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jonny:
Thread cleaned. If your not going to post something useful then don't post here, its simple.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
unless we have a 1080p note 3 side by side with the Note 2, why make all the assumptions that you won't need or like the new screen? You never know, you might prefer the higher resolution screen when it comes out.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bushako:
I think the 720p is acceptable on a screen size thats less than 5inches. Anything above that size it starts to make a difference and you can notice the pixels. I for one would love to have a 1080p display. People will always deny that until they start making actual comparison of the new with the old and realize the difference.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tuxonhtc:
Probably you can notice the pixels with your super vision, I honestly can't. And lot of others can't either. I can even see the grainy-ness on S3 if I look for it holding somewhat near to my face, but absolutely nothing on Note II. And noticing pixels doesn't have much to do with resolution, things like pixel density and size of each pixel (Note II has larger pixel size) is what matters more. It's just as people are so obsessed with resolution rather than various other aspects, same with camera etc. Going by which, HTC One should have a horrible camera (instead it has one of the best available ATM).

And yes, I have compared with it S4/One screen - which does seem sharper, but not that much to my eyes. Probably you could stop making assumptions about the rest of us then, as if we live in a cave with our Note II?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
Well of course everybody will prefer the higher resolution screen, who wouldn't? The glass screen version of the Note III will for sure get a full HD screen. Pentile or not is not important anymore at 440+ DPI. What people don't realize is pentile was not made to live under 300DPI. So it had some flaws in earlier versions. It's like the first car, for sure people were saying, "it's so noisy." but today's car are ok. 440 DPI is on the S4 so for sure the Note III will have an even higher resolution.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
note will not have a higher resolution than the s4.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
Why not?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
because the current note 2 is 720p, the next one will most like be 1080p, the same resolution as the s4.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
Ok I meant higher DPI, my bad.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darktranquility18:
Alleged new specs:

http://www.gsmarena.com/alleged_image_of_samsung_galaxy_note_iii_appears_online-news-5935.php
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bushako:
It will have the same resolution as the S4. However, due to the larger screen size on the Note 3, it will not be as crisp since pixels will be larger. Still better than the Note 2.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
S4 is pentile, if Note 3 have non-pentile, it will have 33% more sub pixels.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kremata:
Where do you get your information from? Or are just making stuff up?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paul89:
The note 3 will have 2x the amount of pixels in a slightly larger screen. If it is non pentile, this screen is gonna be beast! I have really good vision up close, so I could definitely use higher res :)
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JBakey:
Its gonna be 320+ ppi.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
bump
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
Note 3 fail...

Pentile sucks.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdadevnube:
Has it been confirmed as pentile?

link?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkn3ss1:
the best display is samsung note n7000.. pentile.. suck
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RandyBoyz92:
I really hope Note 3 will handle black better than S4 (screen smearing and other stuff like when something is too dark you see the black pixels) the way it handle black is awful. I loved S4's screen before I noticed it.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdadevnube:
You sound like a troll. How about providing useful information , like whether the Note 3 is pentile or not.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkn3ss1:
is my personal opinion.. compared the pentile Note 2 display (my device) vs friend's Note 1 N7000 display and the detail and colors are much better.

Note 3 display is pentile.. pentile in my opinion IMHO suck
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
yes it is. Same display as the S4
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
Note 2 is not pentile
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daveid:
Wasn't the OG Note pentile, I can assure you the Note 2 was RGB, and not pentile. Or I wouldn't have bought one...
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdadevnube:
So nobody has a link to the display type so I can confirm for sure?

It is weird that nobody seems to have that information, but I looked for quite a while on the web.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
I got my information from Wikipedia on OLED, Note 3 is lised as having the same display as the S4.

Not sure how reliable the information is but I sure hope it's not true.

If note 3 is pentile, I will not skip it and wait for note 4 or something else.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vladeco:
According to ARS, the Note III display is non-pentile:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/hands-on-with-the-samsung-galaxy-note-iii-and-note-10-1/
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
let's hope that's accurate.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdadevnube:
I noticed that, but it contradicts other sites I've seen so far. Is arstechnica a reliable site?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] delpiero223:
Sorry, missed to take a microscope with me to IFA yesterday :o

But screen seemed really sharp, even from near distance and between blue and red colors. So I don't think, it's pentile.

Handschriftlich von meinem Note 2 gesendet ?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
your eyes are amazing if able to see subpixel.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Akitohk:
some sites said it is pentile matrix just like gs4

http://rbmen.blogspot.hk/2013/09/ga...&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/ldbzI+(リンゲルブルーメン)
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] se530:
Have spent couple of hours yesterday at Samsung on IFA (above attached a 'greetings pic' I've sent to a friend from there). The main point of interest was to check out Note 3 and it's screen.

Good news - to a naked eye the screen definitely looks like full RGB matrix is used. I would imagine that spotting pentile on 5.7" panel even with full hd resolution should not be a problem. I did not.

I've talked to

two korean Samsung employees

over there and both have

confirmed my observations stating that the screen use full RGB matrix

. If for whatever magical reason using the microscope it ends up that it is some kind of pentile there - it would change nothing for me personally.

Being an ex user of Galaxy S1 myself (backup phone now), I switched to HTC One X. Did not like the screen of Galaxy S3 at all, but could happily live with Galaxy S4 (despite it being pentile variety).

As for Note 3 - screen looks perfect. Sharp, with no type of fuzziness or whatever.

The back cover is also very good (imo). Finger prints would be there after a while, but in general I liked it much more then all the glossy covers from the past. There is also a nice variety of color options for back covers and cases available to find something that you would like.

Software wise, some things still look quite raw to me, such as a check-list in an S-pen application (forgot which one it was, it looked like some template that just did not work). I even accepted a girl from samsung to help me with this just for the fun of it, since I knew in advance that there is nothing she could do about it. :cyclops:

In general, the only thing that I am personally is not very happy about is TouchWiz. It just feels heavy/bloated at places (there seems to be no way to turn off text under icons/toggles in notifications) and comparing with Nova Prime I am using - there is no way to make the dock scrollable or assign swipe actions to icons on it - something that I have a habit to use. The widgets seems to be not resizable too (at lest S-Planner widget is only of one size).

In any case, I would first need to get the phone and then see what kind of functionality if any I would loose switching to Nova Prime from TouchWiz (s-pen wise). After researching this it seems like majority of things should be working just fine (fingers crossed).

I find HTC Sense 5.0 menu more stylish and easy on the eyes. With Nova on top and all the customization I am in love with my One X right now. Recent big increase of on the go work on my side with lot's of note taking made me look into Note 3. I think it is a perfect phablet/large smartphone/"small PC" and other then putting OIS with perhaps some camera and software improvements it's hard for me to tell what can actually be improved in this phone in the future.

Big sales of Note 3 are coming, no doubt about that.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] i9100g user:
Can't say if it is pen tile or not but here is a comparison between Note 3 and note 2 screens side by side.

Source
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaptorMD:
Well the last time we took a site out of Asia we wound up thinking the LG G2 would have a microSD and removable battery but that turned out to be for S.Korea only. I have found ArsTechnica to be reliable so I am going with their report until I hear otherwise. Not that I can tell the difference with the naked eye anyways.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdadevnube:
Do you have an opinion of the color accuracy? I use Persius kernel on the Note 2 with the Master Bypass function that fixes the colors so they match the sRBG color space. Without that kernel I think the Note 2 display looks awful. With the kernel, it is the best display IMO.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sanaqueen:
All shearing is very nice and informative.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
Still not comfirmation from any reliable source?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Epix4G:
Here is a good read on phone screens

http://m.cnet.com/news/abcs-of-smartphone-screens-1080p-and-more-smartphones-unlocked/57445567

Everyone should believe Apple when they say something

*Apple claims that the human eye can't really distinguish more than 326 pixels per inch. Screens with 1080p HD resolutions typically hover in the 5-inch range, delivering pixel densities in the high 300s to 400s.

The note 3 being 386 ppi you should not be able to see with the naked eye but it is being said to be pentile

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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nl1010:
According to this website it is a "non pentile" display, so it must be a real RGB display :good:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/hands-on-with-the-samsung-galaxy-note-iii-and-note-10-1/
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Epix4G:
There are several sites that have said it is pentile just like the gs4 and only 1 has said non pentile. .... either way we should know soon but it will be a good screen either way

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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gadaga:
What all these people are forgetting is the following: for those wearing contact lenses, as soon as we go reading or surfing in bed, we no longer have our contact lenses and we bring the screen much much closer to the eye. It's like looking through a loupe. Personally my lenses are around -7 dioptries and I can tell you that I find my galaxy S3 pentile 720p screen quite unsatisfying when looking at it without my lenses. My next phone MUST have 1080p full rgb and NOT PENTILE. I realy hope the note III will have it. In that case I'll upgrade. If not, I won't....

Keeping my fingers crossed...
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
for f's sake, why is so hard to confirm such a simple information. Is Samsung not disclosing such information or is the technology media so useless?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdadevnube:
I try to avoid the debate altogether. Gimme the info!

The next big step with the Note 3 display for me is the ability to run a kernel like Perseus that tames the colors.

The Note 2 is pretty much the perfect phone. Wolfson audio hub plus kernel audio tweaks as well as RBG SAMOLED with kernel level color control.

The Note 3 will probably have a Snapdragon in the US so I would be surprised to see AndreiLux develop for US variants. The US variants probably will have a crummy audio hub as well.

Time will tell I guess.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Epix4G:
With knox it may be a moot point as you may not be able to run a custom recovery. ...who knows

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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sms7212004:
Note 3 Official Site

Check This Site

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote3+gear/spec.html
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Evilspawn:
Nope. .useless doesn't say if it's pentile
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] V@no:
Having S3 and N2 side by side I see a huge difference, however S4 next to N2 doesn't show any difference at all, other then S4 looks much much crispier. At 1080p N3 would probably look as crisp as N2 regardless of full rgb or pentile.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krytes222:
I think even with pentile the N3 display will look better than the N2. It won't be a 720p-RGB to 1080p-RGB difference though, but a 720p-RGB to "something between 720p and 1080p" difference, which is still a good step forward.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NamenIos:
With a pentile the PPI with red and blue would be practically the same as the note 2 which is disappointing. Also I would rather see slight pixels than pentile colored artifacts. Imo Pentile 1080p is a step backwards from RGB 720p.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skally:
AMOLED naming conventions

I know wikipedia is not exactly a definitive source, but the article here explains the naming conventions for the various OLED screen variations

It looks as though a genuine RGB stripe screen would have the designation 'Super AMOLED Plus'

The Note II (and S4 mini) have an RGB S-stripe variant, which is supposedly superior to RGB, but also lower PPI.

The current trend (as small as it is) appears to be Pentile for displays over ~300PPI and RGB/RGB S-stripe for displeys under that.

I understand that the main benefit of Pentile is reduced power consumption. How many of you would still insist on RGB stripe if it means the battery drains quicker (or the phone is fatter because of added battery capacity to compensate)?

Personally, the resolution of these screens is so high, I would much prefer the extra runtime of pentile
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrIce926:
Diamond pentile is still worse than RGB

Considering I currently have an Epic 4G Touch (still running Calkulin's ROM v1 aka Gingerbread due to awesome battery life) because I fell in love with the screen, if the Note 3 is pentile I may just go out and buy a used Note 2. I'll be sure to wait a few months for the prices to drop like rocks first. :o

"Super AMOLED+" (the plus signifies proper RGB stripe) is very important to me on this device, even at this high resolution, because I want to ensure I know what the actual working resolution is. An example of why this might be useful would be watching movies - what is an appropriate bitrate to convert my video files to if I want them to look correct on the device? If it's true 1080p, that's a very easy question to answer (I just hope the Snapdragon 800 can deal with huge mkv files).

Another reason the full RGB stripe is important to me is the only other reason I'm considering a phablet - having a device that is large enough for comfortable reading on a clean white/black background no matter where I go. If these pixels are in the diamond structure like the S4, this probably wouldn't be a problem, but contrast doesn't seem *quite* as good with the S4 imo, so this may still be a dealbreaker. I'll just have to see how it looks in person, especially compared to the Note 2.

Frankly, I'm also a little peeved that Samsung might be calling this "Full HD 1080p" when that may not actually be true - it's a real stretch to call it that if it doesn't have the same subpixel arrangement as a competing 1080p LCD (I'm also considering LG G2 / Nexus 5 / Sony Z1). I'm definitely getting the impression they took a shortcut here and simply scaled up the GS4's great-but-not-RGB screen.

Finally, I wear glasses because I've been using PCs since I was ten (twenty years or so), and when I use my phone, I take my glasses off. Because of all that computer time, my eyes have adjusted to closer focal lengths, which means Apple can say what they want, but I'm not going to believe them (this is like saying that the human eye can't see more than 24 frames per second, a film industry wives' tale based on misunderstanding the importance of motion blur - my 120hz monitor would love to argue with them). My eyes can detect tiny fonts/pixels with superb (close-range) accuracy. It's the same factor that makes me a terrible driver at night.

So, in short, yes, this really matters. I guess I'll just have to wait for Anandtech or another halfway technical site to hook up a macro lens with release sample in hand.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @rbiter:
Being Pentile is hurting my want for this phone. The 720p on the note2 is fantastic, not to mention the awesome contrast, accurate colors and deep blacks.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/09/10/samsung-galaxy-note-3-uses-pentile-amoled-like-galaxy-s4/

it's confirmed... PenTile.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Epix4G:
That's not confirmed they are just quoting the same website from before in this thread. .... it probably is but still not official word

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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] belk94:
There was a "Galaxy Studio On-The-Go" promo event in my town, so I took a close-up photo of Note 3's screen. Yes, it's Pentile.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinancialWar:
If that's really note 3, haha note 3 is a degenerate in terms of display.

Rather have a really 720p then a fake 1080p.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] takkk7:
I think it stills outbeats 2's screen.

Do you have any evidence that 3's inferior to 2's? Why are you telling this?

From what I ve seen so far (on youtube though), note 3's screen is far brighter , with truer colours.

i think we need to wait for a few weeks to get it to our hands/read reviews etc.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] porkaysi:
The display on the Note 3 is among the best we’ve used, if not the best.

that was quoted from gsm arena. they see more phones then 98% of xda members and if they can make that claim, it holds more weight then someone saying "pentile sucks" without ever seeing the phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] takkk7:
Excellent post...:good:
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Techweed:
True there are no official numbers at the time to show if the screen is truly one of the best out there. However, I'd much prefer to have most quick previews say they love the look of the screen rather than hear them say the screen is underwhelming and hope for good official numbers to make me feel better.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a.cid:
Thread cleaned. Back on topic. If you want to have a discussion, please do so with an open mind. If it turns into another troll/flame war, the thread shall be closed.

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