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[Galaxy S 4 General] :
This is a fun thread to read on a boring day at work--:) I don't understand the phone bashing either. Maybe just being older some things are not that important anymore. I can't/don't believe people buy a phone just bc it is metal or plastic. You don't sit there and look at the phone, you use it. I have a One S and had a Nexus One before that. No complaints. But, I like the S4 and am considering it with the One. My son likes the S4 also. Plastic or metal doesn't matter. The phone needs to fit my personal needs first. As for plastic. I owned several Blackberries and they never looked cheap and were virtually indestructible. I would like the black S4 but with more internal storage. I think whether you own the S4 or One you will find them to be great phones. Sometimes I think some people need to justify their purchases and get defensive. I like a bigger screens as my eyes are not what they use to be. Will look at the S4's web page rendering. I do not like where they put the speaker, at bottom of rear cover. I will give that advantage to the One--but will test that also this weekend.

I am not sure the One's metal body gives it an edge up on reception as HTC added plastic in btwn front and back covers for the radio. My One S can get hot too, don't know about S4. But, it is not that bad. If I could put the One's twin speakers on the S4 I would get it hands down. Not sure I will do much flashing with my next phone, but never know. All the videos i watched showed no lag so maybe just some phones. This phone also comes with JB 4.2.2 and I am running that on my One S and like it.

Anyway, no need to ramble on--Opinions are like you know what--:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
There's no proof though. It is common knowledge that having an aluminum body actually hurts reception. The only thing HTC said was that it took them 4 years to figure out a way around that. They never said anything about using the aluminum casing to make the reception better than other phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bagbug:
thats the only thing the HTC has, the rest is an epic fail.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cdordon:
I know LOADS of people who rip on the iPhone for being the same thing over and over. Just saying. If I'm spending 600 dollars on a device I want it to feel like $600, not like a playskool children's toy...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gollum17:
That argument is invalid, as the plastic on the s4 and 3 is stronger than both the glass and aluminum that the iphone/one are made of. Not to mention it's quite hard to scratch the plastic as opposed to aluminum.

If your going to make a phones case out of metal, try making it out of something that isn't the second most malleable metal in the world.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fade2green514:
yea i agree. the plastic is tougher and lighter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
They started making Corvettes out of fiberglass in the 60's. Nobody stopped buying them. I don't like white phones personally. I think a black S4 would look great. And yes, the alloy is on the cheaper end of metals. It does scratch easy. All again personal choice. Don't get me wrong. I think my One S is very good looking. But, thought my Blackberries were too.

I just took my fingernail over One S and it left mark. Did the same on co-workers cheap plastic company phone and nothing--
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
People forget about this plastics matter.

Today played with a S4 and i come astonished, what a great device!

No words to describe....
[Galaxy S 4 General] mickeywdw1254:
Well you can spend your money on something that doesn't feel like a children's toy and then when all that metal gets scratched to hell how do you suppose you will fix it? Oh that's right, buy a whole other phone. Me, I'll spend maybe $15 on another battery cover and while I'm at it I'll swap out my replaceable battery.

Plus, most ppl just get cases for their phones which covers up all of that premium look and in the end I have a lighter phone and you have a heavier one.

Just sayin....
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
No one is talking about it, but external antennas have traditionally gotten better reception than internal ones: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2

It's pretty much guaranteed that you can't find proof because nearly all of this is under some rather hefty NDA. All I can tell you is that I've compared, and I can go much further before losing LTE than I can with something like an SGS2 or an 8X.

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In a thread discussing throttling, some people suggest that metal construction may be reducing the effects, Brian Klug just flat out says without reservation that the plastic build is the reason why the SGS4 throttles faster under load.

Just look at the iPhone 4S when it comes to reception, because it's been made quite clear that its external antennas greatly increase reception. There is a risk of detuning in the case of the iPhone 4 GSM but that is fixed in the One/iPhone 4S.

I'm done with this debate, the evidence is in the FCC documents. It's clear to me that you are defending your decisions, to the point where you're questioning the credibility of someone with a doctorate in optics when they highly recommend a certain 4MP camera.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I understand if someone buys the phone retail they want it to "feel expensive". Me personally, I think that if I spend $600 on a phone, I should get the most out of it. I should get as many features, both hardware and software, as they can cram into it. As long as I can disable what I don't like (as far as Software) then there should be no reason why I can't get the most bang for my buck. From reading all these reviews, it seems the Galaxy S4 fits that narrative. It's putting so much into one device, and the only sacrifice it's asking for is aesthetic, that is, if you actually hate plastic which I do not.

I was originally considering the Galaxy S3, but just looking at the raw differences between that and the S4, for me it's a solid enough jump from its predecessor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Did you take that in to account when you posted this in response to someone getting poor Wi-Fi reception?

Does having a doctorate in physics invalidate this? Every reviewer that’s looked at the One’s camera has mentioned the lack of detail even while rating it highly. At social size it’s a non-issue. For cropping and viewing pics at higher resolutions it is. And with the iP5s having a 12MP camera I'd pretty much say that's what the market is going to perceive as "better" and 4MP is going to be a tough sell; especially with HTC's limited marketing budget.

Yesterday we witnessed what very well could be a turning point for HTC: the announcement of their new One flagship. With it, they announced a new UltraPixel Camera technology that uses two 4MP camera sensors to take shots that have vastly improved lightning exposure, according to the company. We have yet to test the camera on the One on our own, but one thing is for sure: 4MP is just not enough, despite HTC’s claim that “Megapixels don’t matter.” Of course they matter.

Consider this. The Nexus 10′s screen is a full 4.0 MP (at 2560×1600). If you pull up a full-resolution photo you’ve taken on an HTC One on the Nexus 10, you can’t zoom in because there is no more image data. Do this on the iPad (which has a slightly lower screen resolution), you’ll get similar results. Even if you zoom in on the One’s 1920×1080 (that’s 2MP) display, forget about being able to zoom in on a photo of a group of people to see detail in an individual’s face. There’s just not enough data there at 4MP.

We can agree that Megapixels don’t matter, to a point. Meaning, most consumers won’t notice (or care) about the difference between 8MP and 12MP. But at 4MP, even if you’re improving the photo quality, you’re negatively impacting the experience by taking away pixels. For most use case scenarios, 8MP is good enough, which is why the majority of smartphones take pictures at that resolution.​

http://pocketnow.com/2013/02/20/megapixels-matter-htc-ultrapixel
[Galaxy S 4 General] blackte4:
I just tweet the verge and Josh about hating on Samsung plastic. Everyone use a case. So if the hardware is great but you dont want to drop it and put a case on. Then what? All we see is a plastic case. I love them but i think HTC and Apple is paying them
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
Congratulations, you're well on your way to twisting science to support your arguments. The issues that OP had were not isolated to any single phone. Cover the WiFi antenna of anything and it will drop reception.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rahulits:
Very well said...totally agree with you:good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] RoachPapa:
Wow 12-13g more, are too much for most users. Galaxy user in my city buy also cases like any iPhone, one user.

Cause they scratch polycarbonate easily too. There isn't much difference, but you buy just a new one. That's right. I don't need a case, cuz I have luck (never dropped any smartphone till yet) and care good enough about my phones.

The only things I don't like on polycarbonate are the heat and slippery. If you play games on some spots the whole heat is spotted and way to hot.

Also in my hands the plastic isnt grippy. Aluminum wins in this points in my opinion.

Gesendet von meinem HTC One mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
If you don't have proof then don't spread rumors around please. Or at least start the sentence off with "IMO."
[Galaxy S 4 General] jiwengang:
Same thing does go to iphone. That's one reason I hate it. No good surprises.

And now about GS4, it is like a 4GS to 4. Boring, laziness in design.

I went to sprint today and realizing I cant buy a smaller version of my G Note 2 , for smaller battery.

Only only good improvement is the screen. That I have to say I am impressed

Sent from Verizon Galaxy Note II using Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Let me know when my twisting meets or exceeds your spinning and I'll stop. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Well, we still have our own opinions--here is mine--again--and I am a two consecutive htc phone owner--

Just played with a black s4 at att. Felt fantastic in my hand. Did not feel like a 5 inch phone. Not slippy. The web pages for xda rendered great for an old man. Smooth and didn't notice any lag on the phone. Browser rendering and readability is very important to me. They have a One beside it. I have to go back and test both side by side on the web and the phone's speed/smoothness. I will probable go in there numerous times to test both before deciding. I tried the One very quickly. But, don't think it will render my web pages satisfactorily for my needs.

The most important part for me was the stunning beauty of the black model. I thought my One S was a great looking phone. And it is. But, this one puts it to shame. If I would get the One S it would need to be a black one also.

It did not look or feel cheap. On the contrary, very upscale. I know color is a personal preference. But, don't let the web video reviews sway you until you see the phone in person.

And like I mentioned before, I scratched the One S back with my thumbnail and did not scatch a low priced plastic phone. Did that today at work.

I hesitate on the 16gb. But, since my whole One S is 16gb, don't think it would be an issue. If like my One S it will have OS and App space on internal with about 9gb free as external storage. I think I have 2gb for apps and don't come close to using it with close to 100 apps from Playstore. That leaves me 9gb as external storage and can manage that fairly well. So, with the 64gb sdcard, the S4 should function well--imo--

S4 is strong candidate atm
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-342-updated-all-for-htc-one-htc-one-for-all/

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-343-updated-a-short-time-from-now-in-a-galaxy-not-far-away/

Better reception on the One for both 1900 CDMA and 1900 LTE, which is what Sprint runs for their primary CDMA and LTE networks.

Data on the AT&T and TMOUS variants seem to be wifi testing only, the rest has been sealed until October, but it's a rather safe bet that the results will come out the same.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mickeywdw1254:
I guess you got me there because aluminum and glass don't transfer heat at all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
I don't know about you guys, but I don't care about plastic, metal, glass.

Just because ONLY after when you "purchased and are using" you can understand what is worse and what is not.

Example:

Sony Xperia Z. Sick design for me...VERY SEXY cuz looks like all phone got full glass around. Waterproof. AOSP welcome ! Cyanogen runs like on Nexus. Sony making "own" aosp project for "US" users. Respect !

But minus- device is always dirty (for no reason). Screen colors are not sexy at night. (TFT) And when is dirty this phone with this screen is looking like chinese phone for 250$. (Dragon glass is failed)

P.S Sending to my brother.

HTC One just got it from T Mobile (upgraded). Hmmm HTC ONE is iPhone 5 build quality phone guys ! Very solid almost always "cold" in hands ! Damn it's cool feeling...Cold...nice. (Here Gorilla Glass 2 is hell better than Dragon)

Now try to play a game for 20 min and that metal getting hot and your beautiful cold feeling transformed to nasty hot susceptibility.

"Sense" inside.....opened google...typed: xda tmobile htc one dev.....wait what? S-ON? Oh damn dude...I will not gonna wait for a month for S-OFF. People starting to argue about Samsung Snap600 vs HTC One Snap600.

...Tired.

Day first, second, third...gave to dad.

Galaxy S IV.

Nice design! With metal "border".......

Wait....What ? Here we go....this is a "plastic" dude, again.

BUT hey sexy plastic guys. Put your damn HTC One or Xperia Z or iPhone 5 and Galaxy IV on table in restaurant/bar/lounge.,and take a look...GSIV is winner ! Looking expensive as hell compare to others on a table.

Screen colors is SICK. I wish my eyes as showing as Super AMOLED.

But touchWiz...damn "gingerbread look"...psss ugly and OLD. Ugliness (it's my opinion, "MY" opinion)

But at least I got latest technology. "OCTA" inside (8 cores baby), PowerVR SGX

544

MP3 ! Your iPhone5 got PowerVR SGX 54

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MP3. Now where is iphone users ?!!!hm? That people with Snap600 getting equal in my eyes. Like a iPhones.

Damn when is Note 3 coming out ?! Mom do you want my phone ?

Any phone is uniq. With a side of something good and something bad.

You making the choice in your head.

Is your choice.

Your mind.

Regards guys.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
If you can't trust Vladimir Putin, who else is there? :silly:
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
hahaha!

Peace ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
OK, now I'm confused. Are/were we talking about Wi-Fi or CDMA/LTE? The link you posted for the SGS4 was dinging it for the absence of being tri-band and that's months away and on Sprint. The One very well may be a better voice/LTE combo player. But what difference does it make if they both meet people's standards? It's like owning an AMG M-B with a top speed of 165MPH that you don't run over 70MPH. I'll come back and apologize if on Sprint there's a vast performance difference radio reception wise between the One and SGS4. I'd say the same thing for VZW but the One's not being offered there.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
Cellular is usually the most important. And every bit of reception counts when you're in boundary areas for LTE/WCDMA.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
You said somewhere down the line that they attached the antenna to the metal frame and it gave it better reception. I'm asking for proof of this because it interested me as an Engineer.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
They don't attach the antenna to the metal frame, the metal frame is the antenna: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6754/hands-on-with-the-htc-one-formerly-m7
[Galaxy S 4 General] RoachPapa:
Glass i dont know, cuz I never owned such phones. But nexus 4 is throttling a lot.

When I play with my one the heat is spreading about the whole phone and not hotspotting like sgs 4 on part.

Also between warm and hot is a huge difference. Most user can't touch the hot sgs4 after playing games a long time.

Gesendet von meinem HTC One mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
Itt Usually objective xda members clutching at straws to defend their choices. The fact that so many reviews find another device comparable if not preferred to the samsung has put the cat amongst the pigeons in this forum. You guys are struggling with the reality of having close competition. Sure a little lag isn't the end of the world as it will probably be overcome shortly with updates, bootloader locked? Jury's still out although there's a thread complaining about it. And who really believed that gg3 would be a huge leap from gg2. Then the camera differences, similar features but samsung clearly better in good light and low ish light but htc better with moving objects and real low light (imo), oh and the fact that some of the features have to be preempted on the samsung but not with the htc. Yep you guys have s##tloads of features but i only want the multi view.

My battery easily lasts a whole day with my usage. I have 19 gb free on my storage, I see one great phone and one good phone, that's my prerogative.

My device has no issues whatsoever and i'm completely satisfied, will you all feel the same when you get yours?

Tag

What's with the heat issue? Is it not the processor that creates the heat? I thought they both had the same processor but one was oc'ed...

Also i would say heat on the outside is better than heat on the inside.

Good day.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
It's good you're satisfied with your purchase but why get defensive? The thread author is addressing the fact that most of the criticism is seemingly being directed at a plastic shell vs an aluminum unibody conflict of aesthetic taste. Yeah, the Galaxy S4 has several problems, as does the HTC One from what I've read having build quality issues and the latest Jellybean still being a month away. If you don't need the features, don't care for the hardware, and don't want more expandable storage that's your choice and it's your money. I have a feeling I will be satisfied when I get mine, but of course that's talk until it arrives.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
I think its pathetic that people go on about cheap plastic when the inefficient aluminium in the ho or ip5 is worth nothing in cash and perceived quality means non actual quality just what the know nothing purchaser "thinks" ie it's metal so it must be valuable, however I've seen and played with a ho and it was very good and it's still on my list of potential phones to buy despite the metal and massive QC problems it's having.

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This, if the N5 or Mot X don't transpire or underwhelm I'll probably get the S4, the Ho has too many QC and reliability issues, however I love their speakers and 32gb onboard, the 16gb is the S4's Achilles heel IMHO so I'm not all out on the S4 :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I know we kinda strayed from original OP question some of the time--

But this link gives feedback on what people don't like about the One. I know there probably will be one eventually on S4. There is no perfect phone yet. But, it does mention plastic/metal on occasion and may help in the final decision which is the bottom line. Some I was not aware of--and some may just be user error.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one/272814-things-you-dont-like-about-htc-one.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] rschauby:
GS3 owner here, but I just purchased an HTC One Friday.

The HTC One is beautiful, but I can agree that there is nothing wrong with plastic on a phone. I've had my GS3 for 11 months now, and it's in perfect shape. I kept it in a thin Diztronic case, with no screen protector and it still looks brand new (never dropping it has helped).

The HTC One definitely does deserve some praise for it's "perceived" build quality. The phone is beautiful to look at and feels very solid. However, phones are meant to be used and shoved in pockets. Once I put my One in a case all that aluminum will be covered in...........

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wait for it......

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Plastic!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'm kind of curious too. The "top and bottom strips of the phone as an antenna" doesn't make sense when you look at the placement in the FCC diagrams which show specific antenna locations. This is what iFixit said and the way I read it their sort of implying the plastic surround is where the antenna's accessing its wireless signal. Thoughts?

The daughterboard remains, but there is still a mystery left unsolved. No phone operates without antennas, and antennas don't transmit signals well through metal walls. Considering that this daughterboard is on the receiving end of the motherboard's antenna cables and sits directly under the plastic bezel at the top of the phone, we're thinking it has something to do with wireless signals. See those three spring contacts along the top of the board? They meet the rear case in an area obscured by the plastic bezel. If we had to guess, that's where HTC put the antennas.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] femiro:
hahaha true story my friend. If you respect your smartphone you'll do whatever it takes to keep it safe, thus meaning putting it into a plastic case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
LTE/WCDMA is stupid. Needing two discrete radio technologies (one for voice [WCDMA] and one for LTE [GSM]) is the payback for less than a dozen carriers worldwide opting against GSM as their voice standard years ago. And VZW's strategy is to move to VoLTE as soon as humanly possible which will make them a GSM carrier. Using Sprint, a third and dropping like a stone in size U.S. LTE/WCDMA carrier, as a testament to the One's wireless performance is really a reach. The FCC testing you referenced is static; the device is strapped to a test pole with no interference from being held or devices or barriers creating competitng signals or interference. And the One's lower performance than the multi-component plastic-build DNA/Butterfly in Wi-Fi testing would mean (at least to me) that those things come in to play outside the sterile testing conditions of a lab.

The reason HTC went to the lengths they did for the One's multiple antennas is not to deliver a new pinnacle of wireless radio performance, but to overcome signal interference from the all-aluminum design which limits antenna access which can become an issue depending on how the device is held. So the real test of the Sprint One isn't idyllic test conditions it’s how it works in owners hands. And unless the SGS4 has LTE/WCDMA radio issues that noticeably affect its performance no one on Sprint or VZW are going to buy the One based on its radio performance alone. In fact, the opposite is true. The DNA had better LTE/WCDMA performance on VZW than either the SGS3 or N2 according to owners and yet sales of the DNA have been abysmal in spite of its impressive specs.

This thread was discussing design aesthetics. How we got to the One's success hinging on its wireless performance on LTE/WCDMA carriers which affect probably 10% of an international forum's users is beyond me. I just wish HTC/One fans and loyalists were more secure in their purchase desicions. If they were, threads could stay on topic and not veer off in to veiled "HTC's great/Samsung sucks" side discussions. There are very few pro-Samsung posts in the One forums and God help the new One owner that says it doesn't do something as well as the Samsung phone they replaced it with. Yet One owners have no issue flocking to the SGS4 forum posting commentary to make themselves feel better about their purchase.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Hey Barry, all I know from school is that encasing an antenna in metal does the opposite and hurts reception. You have to propagate it if you're using metal to amplify a signal that's why transmitters are parabolic in transmission. HTC said they worked hard for years on figuring out a way to have a metal case without it hurting reception. That method seems to just have the transmitter focus through the plastic area of the phone which I believe are the speakers which also have open grills.