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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Well, then I must admit something has recently changed because several times I have been informed that 3G-only customers absolutely must switch over to tiered data if they want to be able to activate the 4G service on their contract since the system doesn't let them otherwise. I am not making claims of my own, this is what I have been personally informed of from several different sources in the past. I know several people that have attempted and been informed of the same, granted this was late last year. Just to clarify, I am not denying that it's possible, I am just stating that this would be the first time I have even heard of such a claim. Perhaps the system has been updated to account for such upgrades properly now.

I'd be happy to know if anyone else can chime in with some personal experience or details on this matter.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bhags8:
Well I have a grandfathered unlimited data but I'm past the end of my contract. So I'm month to month. Is there anyway they can make me sign up for a new contract or end my month to month? I am going to buy the S4 at full retail but don't want to get booted a few months later.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] berfles:
That brings up another good point I never thought of. I was due for an upgrade in February, so technically I have no contract now I guess. Just one more thing potentially work against me I suppose.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bagbug:
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............

are we suppose to care ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
No contract is actually not against you. The contract is never to protect you, it's actually to protect them from having you leave early without paying an ETF and getting away with a cheap price on the phone. If anything that gives you more persuasive power so definitely consider that a good thing. :good:

Well sir, with all do respect, if unlimited data of the highest speeds are not important to you in your smartphone service you are not obligated to comment. This thread is for people who would like to share their importance, not against it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 299792458:
Great thanks. So going through the pre-order today it seems i was able to keep everything on my current plan without any changes. I did opt to "not keep" my existing 4G SIM, the only odd thing I had to question. Cant believe I'm paying $680 for a phone. Time to start looking at paying the bills with selling my gnex.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
I can't believe I spent that much either, but I almost did it for the S3. I got my rezound free over a year ago so I guess thIs evens out. :rolleyes:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
Makes me feel better about my data usage. :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Yes, but it can also be a ball & chain, since were it not for the seductive and awsome power of unlimited data, I would bail from Verzion and go to AT&T out of absolute spite for VZW not offering a 32GB S4. The good news is the S3 32GB is a nice device to have while chained :)

Verizon is not even offering the new LG Pro that does have 32GB. Seems Verizon are milking their customers rather than feeding higher end options and more storage options.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mcleaver84:
Glad I kept my unlimited by yet again paying the unsubsidized price. Paying full retail will continue to be my future until Verizon says that's enough and tiers me at which point will come a hard decision if there is still one to make as my data looks like op's.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
In that case. the ball and chain would be broken and you could the go to the carrier you want. Data coverage is irrelevant with a 2gb cap. Kind of no point with 4g that would eat that up. Result is people would be mainly on Wi-Fi, so data converge maps are semi moot.

I think Verizon knows this, so will not systemically get rid of legacy unlimited. Too much risk to their premium user install base.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] andross77:
God bless America! And Verizon!

Oh and if anyone can guess how I used that much data in December, they get a cookie?

Hint: nothing to do with porn or torrenting :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Gunthermic:
Video calling during holidays?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] terryfiedxda:
You are right, they did. Because of the conversation we've had here, I went to the VZW store by my house yesterday and told them about what I was told here, and they finally verified that you can change the details of any line regardless of what your 2-year agreement was based on. I.E., you can sign a 2-year agreement for data+voice and then change that line to voice only or data only. The only requirement is that the line remain active for the full 2 years. Thanks for the heads up.

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I actually found out the answer to this question yesterday when I checked with VZW about another question. It turns out that while you can change the details of your plan (i.e., data+voice vs. data only vs. voice only), you cannot change plans as they are tied to the number/line. In other words, if line 1 is unlimited data and line 2 is on a limited data plan, you cannot make line 2 an unlimited data plan. However, you CAN change line 1 from unlimited data to part of the shared data plan. Go figure.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KISSfiend:
Thanks for your help!

I wasn't aware of the SIM card part of it, but it did come into play. I first checked in with one non-corporate Verizon store before buying the S4 just to be sure they couldn't work some magic on upgrading me and keeping my plan, but no-can-do. Actually, that guy recommended that if I was going to buy the phone outright that I should buy it cheaper online instead of at their store which made me respect the guy a lot. You wouldn't get that recommendation from a corporate Verizon store! He then told me that he was in the same boat as me and had to make his own decision about his existing unlimited data plan soon as well.

I then went to closest Best Buy and had them price match Amazon's $649.99 price. They threw in a SIM card (at no cost) and activated the phone for me. The guy who did the job also told me how he didn't blame me for buying the phone outright as he's had a unlimited plan since 2004 and would be doing the same thing as me when he gets a new phone. Anyway, the phone is awesome and the 4G is blazing fast. Sucks having to pay all that money for it upfront, but I think it was probably worth it. :cool:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] equake:
Is there any way to transfer the upgrade without buying a device?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mike318:
I found a loophole to keep unlimited data even when upgrading phones at subsidized cost.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rednoved:
Oh really. Please share.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 134k:
if you mean transferring the upgrade from the unlimited line to another non-unlimited line, no you can't (and thus lose your unlimited data) . however if you transfer an upgrade from another line to your grandfathered unlimited line, then you can utilize that-
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jazzyjames:
About 2 weeks ago I used my wife's upgrade on my mom's line to get a S4 (my wife has a note 2 and unlimited data) my mom's phone is just a flip phone. I moved the S4 to mine and both me and my wife kept our unlimited data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SolidSnakeUS:
So the consensus is that it is a much better option to flat out buy the S4 and then keep the unlimited data by doing so?

Just as a side note for if I wanted to buy the S4 on eBay or something, a dedicated Verizon location will give me a free 4G SIM card for the phone as I get it activated/data transferred over?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jacob2kD:
can also get a 4g LTE sim via ebay as well so no worries on having to deal with a store bs..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mssam:
It depends on your situation. If you're on a single line nation wide plan like me, then yes. However, if you're on a family share plan that has eligible upgrades and unlimited data, then no. Take advantage of the upgrade and just transfer the upgraded device to the unlimited data line, but that upgrade you take advantage of will probably extend your contract on that line you just receive the upgrade on. However, the hefty price tag is not there and you get a new device on an unlimited plan. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am incorrect...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] IamPro:
Sounds correct, I am doing the same thing tomorrow unless news of VZN HTC One comes out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jasona08:
My wife is available for an upgrade mid July, she wants the S4, I am available for upgrade at the beginning of August. I have unlimited and she does not. What I was thinking was letting her use her upgrade and get S4, And when I become available to upgrade, transferring the upgrade to her and getting the phone I want at the time and just swap sim cards. Think that would work, letting me keep my unlimited??

Edit: I've read almost this entire thread and that's where I got the idea but wanted to put it out there and get feedback. Thanks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ciniob:
I have multiple Verizon phones but only one line. I hot swap the sim card all the time between the phones.

I use the S4 most of the time. I use the note 2 on occasion.

My sim works in both. My understanding is that my newer sim will work in any Verizon LTE phone.

So, my guess is that using your sim in her S4 and her sim in whatever phone you have may not work.

I think i should have been able to use my new sim for the S3 I had. However the new sim for the S4 was a next gen sim and may not have been compatible. Or more likely, the older sim from the S3 wouldn't have worked in the S4.

So, if your phone is an older LTE (say a Motorola Razr Maxx (not Maxx HD)) then her new sim for the S4 will work in your older phone but your sim from the Razr might not work in her newer S4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KidJoe:
that will work and keep your unlimited, provided that the phones take the same size sim cards, OR you have compatible adapters for the SIM cards.

Example: I have an HTC Thunderbolt and MOTO Bionic which use mini-Sim cards. I have a Blackberry Z10 and T-Mobile Galaxy S3 (for work) which use Micro Sim, and a Verizon iPhone 5 (for work) which uses a Nano-SIM. I can up size the Nano to Micro or Mini using adapters. I can upsize the Micro to Mini using an adapter. To downsize any of them to Nano I'd have to CUT them which can't be undone.

So if I kept my Mini-SIM from my bionic, i couldn't put that into my Z10 or iPhone 5, or S4.

My solution, get a nano sim for my personal line, and use a SIM Adapter as needed when I swap phones around. Something like -> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009ABEA7E/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1 or http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009B9YWB4/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graptharshammer:
If you transfer an upgrade you will force a contract renewal. I just went through this with VZW because I wanted to try to be cute, too. Basically transferring your upgrade is the same thing as upgrading to VZW.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] IamPro:
What plan were the two lines on? The Unlim and the other line w/ upgrade?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graptharshammer:
I have 4 lines, 3 of them are on unlimited, 1 has its own 2GB plan. I tried to transfer the upgrade from one of the unlimited lines to the limited line and discovered that would result in the loss of the unlimited plan.

It really doesn't matter what your line mix is. If you try to transfer an eligible upgrade on an unlimited line, you will lose unlimited. It's the same thing as just using the upgrade.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] CC268:
I will say this...if you use spotify make sure to download your music to your phone and use offline mode...went through almost 6GB of data on my 6GB plan because of streaming my playlists on spotify in my truck...crazy
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nxmehta:
Wow. The way they can enforce this is by looking at the ESN on the phone?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jokeefe10:
I spoke to 2 different reps through verizonwireless.com and both said transferring the upgrade will not cause you to lose your unlimited data. The rep even walked me through transferring and upgrading my line. There are people on here who have done the same and kept their unlimited data plans as well. I don't understand why verizon reps give different answers all the time.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] itsdubai:
I upgraded a basically phone line on my account to the Razr hd and popped in my old sim into it and I kept my unlimited data. The old basic like automatically dropped the 2gb data plan also. I use around 100gb a month so unlimited is a must for me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] litrekid:
Shouldn't be any different then buying a used phone and activating it. They can't tell u what phone u can use on ur plan. Upgrade ur other line, activate it then reset, switch cards and activate it. I just bought my wife a used SIII and took it to verizon and they activated it no problem. No change what's so ever to her plan.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KidJoe:
where/how did you try to transfer the upgrade? When did you notice the loss of unlimited plan?

Were they individual lines/plans, or part of a share plan?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graptharshammer:
I didn't lose any of my unlimited plans. They warned me off doing it because I would have lost it. I'm not sure how my story differs from others, but I suspect everyone else was using an upgrade on a limited plan and simply moving that new phone to the unlimited plan. There's no reason that won't work. In my scenario, I was trying to transfer the upgrade on an unlimited line to use that phone on a limited line.

To spell it out in painful detail, since it appears nothing less will actually work:

4 lines. A, B, C and D

A - unlimited, eligible for upgrade

B - unlimited, eligible for upgrade

C - unlimited, eligible for upgrade

D - 2Gb limit, INELEGIBLE for upgrade

Transfer upgrade from A to D means A loses unlimited.

Transfer upgrade from B to D means B loses unlimited.

Transfer upgrade from C to D means C loses unlimited.

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DIFFERENT SCENARIO

4 lines. A, B, C and D

A - unlimited, INELIGIBLE for upgrade

B - unlimited, eligible for upgrade

C - unlimited, eligible for upgrade

D - 2Gb limit, eligible for upgrade

Transfer upgrade from B to A means B loses unlimited.

Transfer upgrade from C to A means C loses unlimited.

Transfer upgrade from D to A results in NO CHANGE. A gets the upgrade, D simply has to wait another 2 years to be eligible.

Hopefully, this clears my findings up once and for all. Now if anyone else has successfully kept unlimited in any of the scenarios I listed above as losing unlimited, I'd like to know. I worked on this scenario with 2 different reps, one in store and one on the phone. Both came to the same answer.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bcmusgrove:
I did exactly as your first scenario says and i still have unlimited data on the line that i transferred the upgrade on. I went to a Verizon store and transferred my upgrade, from an unlimited data plan, to a line with limited data. I upgraded at the discounted the price. I now have a new Galaxy S4 bought at the discounted price on the unlimited data. No data plans were changed. This is the second time I have done this. My advice is to not call Verizon and ask them about it. They are trying everything to get people to switch to their new share everything plan.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graptharshammer:
So by having one limited line, I can effectively use the other 3 unlimited line upgrades to keep everyone's phone current? I guess I'll just try another store, then. I had given up hope on this, but if your'e sure the first scenario worked for you, it's worth a shot.

Thing is, if you transfer your upgrade then you have to start a new 2-year contract and with unlimited no longer being a viable contract, what did they do? Just tell you 2 years from now you'll be eligible to upgrade again?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bcmusgrove:
Are you going to the Verizon Authorized Retailer stores? If you are I would try and find an actual Verizon store. I have always had trouble with the Authorized Retailer stores.

I had no issue with the contract. I am assuming that since the upgrade was transferred to another line and used, then the line that the upgrade came from is just extended two years. The unlimited line that I transferred the upgrade from now has to wait two years to be upgraded again, while the limited line is eligible to upgrade whenever it was originally up, in my case a year.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SirLance99:
This works wonders. I'm doing it again this Friday.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graptharshammer:
Well, that screenshot pretty much says it all. Thanks, guys, that's going to save me a ton of money.

I only go to actual Verizon Wireless stores, not authorized resellers. I have 4 within easy driving distance of me, so there's not really a reason to go anywhere else.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mssam:
so you have a contract that gives you unlimited data until 6/23/15. What are you doing, transferring a newer phone (upgrade) from another line to that unlimited line?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SirLance99:
No, that picture means I upgraded that line and kept my unlimited plan.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mssam:
OK, so just so I understand, you accepted an upgraded on a line for the discounted price on the device, then transferred that device to your unlimited line?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 4ktvs:
I know a guy who works for Verizon and is going to do this for me and told me about it. Was about put it out there, but that one guy did it for me. So I will be doing the same thing, just not sure if I want the S4 or the new upgraded HTC one that's incoming for Verizon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evil-Eye:
I considered both too but the way Verizon rushed to end the DNA and the fact the DNA battery is soldered in left me unimpressed. An internal battery is one thing but soldering it? Come on like I want a useless phone because the battery died. No SD slot either, what is HTC thinking? Only things I had to consider was One is more durable (so I read) and the speakers are amazing (so I read). I am waiting on my Galaxy S4 to come Saturday.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 4ktvs:
Verizon can only get one HTC flag ship per year, so that's how the DNA come about being at the end of 2012. They didn't the One, because they are waiting for this "upgraded" one phone. I can't say more than that and will have to see it before thinking about buying it. Still most likely will be buying a S4 due to likeing a removable battery and SD card. Also a fan of OLED and want some wireless AC. :)

Verizon will also be getting the "X" phone soon as well, but I think it was over hyped based on what I herd from my Verizon insider.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AliceBToklas:
I find it very sad to see where HTC is heading. I had the Eris and the Inc2 and was (mostly) happy with both at the time and liked much of what Sense had to offer. I was hoping for better but jumping ship to Samsung now. I require a removable battery and a microSDXD slot in any phone I own.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bandin03:
For the people who still want to upgrade without losing unlimited or paying full price or dealing with all the upgrade transferring nonsense, this worked for me:

I ordered the phone through bestbuy.com, when you go through the order process, you have the option to keep your current data plan and it doesn't force you to "upgrade" to a tiered plan. Naturally, once I picked up the phone and activated it, it switched me to tiered. So I called customer service, politely explained that I never agreed to change my data plan and to please change it back. The rep switched me back to unlimited, no questions asked. May have been a fluke but the worst that could happen is you return the phone and get the unlimited data back.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] kack:
unlimited is truly the way to go. i use 5-10 gigs a month just for everyday things. im not tethering to every device in my house like most people but with out the unlimited i would be paying 70-120$ more a month.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cilraaz:
Edit: Note to self: Make sure you're on the last page before replying to a post.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evil-Eye:
Can you please provide an update from Friday? Does the upgrade transfer still work?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] arcrox:
I've read the entire thread but have a question. It seems most people are calling 611 or going in store to get their devices activated/swapped...can't this all be done through self-service on verizonwireless.com? I'm using an upgrade on a dumbphone line to get an S4, which I plan to activate on said line, then swap to my unlimited data line (currently home to a dead, water damaged Gnex), and then reactivate the dumbphone. Is the SIM card swap from my Gnex even necessary if I can just use verizonwireless.com's "Activate or Switch Device" tool?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evil-Eye:
When I activated my phone from a different accounts upgrade (Brother's) we had to call. I got a strange error when I tried to switch. He activated the phone using his S3 sim card and did not call. Then to go from S4 to S3 he called. Then to switch my old Xperia Play to this S4 I had to call. It's ok to call if you have to I kept my unlimited data. It may be because we did the switching so fast didn't even wait 10 minutes. Please update and let us know if this works for you. 8/31 my wife can upgrade and has unlimited that we will take this gamble with
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Culex0r:
I took an assumption of liability for my unlimited data line and love it and wouldnt change for the world. I can't leave because I use over 100Gb a month!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] arcrox:
Well, barring any reasons which may jeopardize my unlimited data and a successful transfer, I'm going to try to do everything through verizonwireless.com. I'd prefer not to deal with reps whenever possible.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evil-Eye:
I agree, remember the key with reps is to play innocent
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cybertec69:
What are you watching that you use 100 Gigs a month, no wonder the carriers have eliminated unlimited, I also have unlimited, but never went over 10 Gigs, WOW.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Culex0r:
Haha, I do alot of hotspoting.i download quite a few movies, etc.

On phone alone I probably would be hard pressed to go over 20 alone. Most of the 100 comes from hotspoting. And yes I would be one of those that is the reason unlimited is no more.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evil-Eye:
It's a money grab for Verizon. Would you accept caps on your home ISP? I wouldn't and when Time Warner tried money grabbing Rochester we comppained and they had a sudden change of heart.