yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] lepill:
anyone know where to source one of these (I am in the UK) ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] akira:
you can order it in germany for 176 euro

www.passiontec.de
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] s.morris:
Hi

Looks very simular to the one that O2 are going to sell in the Q2 04

http://www.xda-2.co.uk/accessories/peripherals.html

I have just ordered this one to use with my soon to arrive TomTom 3, its got extra wire that are not need with blue tooth but would pesume that it does not mater

http://www.totalpda.co.uk/product4738_0.aspx

steve
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] chalil:
Looking for a Car Kit with a Cradle for the Siemens SX56.

I have seen most of the posts for the car kits and they look awesome. They blow away anything else I have found on the net or on EBAY by any means. Now my question is where can I get this same type of car kit for my Siemens SX56 in the USA, ideally Illinois. It seems that everyone that has an awesome car kit is in another country. Any help is appreciated.

Ideally the car kit would have a drop in fitting for the PDA. It should allow a clean fitted installation, which wouldn’t show any wiring and also allow me to integrate my PDA through my car speakers. It should have an external microphone that I can add in a clean fashion so I can use it to make calls and received them. Ideally the same kit like the car kits for standard cell phones only for a Siemens SX56 PDA.

You help is greatly appreciated!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] ednap:
Sorry I cannot read German and I couldn't find it. Do you have a direct link to the actual page for the unit?

Ed
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
This looks really interesting, but I'm afraid my German is not too good. I guess that those of you who've bought one of these can understand the language better than me - so could someone please explain the difference between these:

Car BasicSet für MDA II [€170]

CarKit II [€200] (this appears to be the one in the photos above)

Navigate StarterSet für MDA II [€170]

NaviGate Car Kit Pro MDA II [€250]

I guess that the NaviGate kits include T-Mobile's (proprietary?) navigation solution, but it is interesting that the CarKit II also appears to include a connection for NaviGate. I presume, therefore, that all of the above kits present some sort of interface that any GPS receiver could connect to - but it would be greatly appreciated if someone could confirm what the interface is (RS232, PS/2, etc.)? I suppose detailed photos or installation guides would be helpful here. :D

Basically, I would like a cradle for my XDA2 that:

- outputs all audio through the car's speakers, muting the radio;

- provides for an external antenna; and

- connects to a (wired) GPS receiver suitable for use with TomTom3.

Maybe I'm too demanding! Is this asking for the world on a plate? I would've thought it was a fairly standard set of requirements... :?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
Okay, so maybe I'm not being so demanding after all... according to http://www.my-xda.com/carkit.html :

"the Xda II carkit supports direct connection of a GPS unit - such as that provide [sic] by TomTom Navigator" (as far as I can tell, this implies that there is an RJ45 connector carrying both data and power; for the real techies, does anyone know whether the power is at 5V or 12V?)

I imagine that the kit they're referring to is identical to the T-Mobile CarKit II, which seems to be what you guys bought from Germany - in which case, is there really a spare RJ45 socket lying around for a GPS receiver? I can't get anyone at O2 to understand what I'm talking about (they don't even seem to be aware that such a car kit exists).

Exciting stuff. :?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] ednap:
But as far as the O2 link you provided goes it still only has an XDA kit for sale not yet an XDA II kit correct?

Ed
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
Well, the third paragraph says: "These carkit's are especially designed to fit Xda and Xda II respectively", which implies a separate kit is available for the XDA II - but there's no product code, price, or any mention of it in the O2 Shop.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
I've just spoken to O2 - they're expecting it to be available from about 2-3 weeks' time, and it will be priced at £189. I've just pre-ordered one over the telephone (0800 389 4516).
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] igadget:
Expansys like Carkit

Hi all,

just to tell you all it will be available at the end of May (I hope) here in Portugal a complete Carkit for the XDA2 (Carkit Pro) just like the one at expansys.com for around 155€ directly from the national distributor.

I'll tell you more as soon as i get more info on this. :D
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] eayuwna:
Expensive from O2

I just spoke to the people in the two O2 shops in nottingham and both of them told me that the XDA II Car kit is available, but they have to order it in. They said the cost is £150 plus £99 fitting charge, and they'll only let you have one if they can fit it. Has anyone else found this or is it just O2 Nottingham being greedy?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
The O2 accessories phone line told me that the kit required fitting, but that I'd have to arrange that myself.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] eayuwna:
Oh

OK. Seems like O2. hey're a bit poo for information here in Notts.

Has anyone, looked into making a cable to connect the XDA/XDA II to a car stereo? I've not got a stereo at the moment to test with but I assume that they have a standard layout of pins on the ack or something for phone inputs?

Anyone who knows a fair bit about car stereos and fitting phones to them can you leave me some extra info?

Also, with regards to the XDA I and II, do they have any reason why the same cable wouldn't want to be used for the two different phones? I've got a I and am thinking of getting a II but don't want to faff about with a cable for one and then find it's useless when I upgrade.

Will
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] eayuwna:
That's the way.

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=4348&highlight=connectors

Bit of searching and I found this. Any extra info still welcome.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
Hello again all,

I am by no means an audio expert, but have had a little Google around since this is exactly what I would like to do myself.

I found a reply to someone else's similar question about connecting two different audio sources/amps in their bedroom to the same speakers. It seems that it's not a good idea.

I then found an automatic selector switch which runs on 12VDC. I think that you can connect your radio speaker outputs to the "AMP A" input and the Xda II carkit to "AMP B", thereby giving priority to the Xda II whenever it's trying to do something. Chop the mains plug off and you should be able to hook it up to the car's switched/accessory power supply.

I hope that helps.

Whilst I'm posting in this thread (again :wink:), can someone please confirm what this carkit provides for connecting to GPS receivers? This photo that akira posted is very helpful, but it doesn't show clearly enough what type of connector #13 is... hopefully it's an RJ11 that will directly work with the TomTom wired receiver - can anyone confirm? If not, is there any chance of an exact description, or close-up photo with pinouts (perhaps this is in the accompanying documentation)?

Thanks!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
The connection on the Car kit Akira mentioned is RJ11 for the GPS reciever. Unfortunately my GPS reciever is PS2.

I looking for an cable adapter from PS2 to RJ11. Any one can help?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Pegasus:
Thanks for the lead on the AB-3 selector, I will get one and let everyone know how it works.

With regards to the GPS connector, it is not an RJ11 socket that will take the TOM TOM GPS unit, in fact the connector is one that I have never seen before.

I will try and get a picture of it next time I access the control box of the car kit.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
EEEEK! You're joking?! Would it happen to be the same 8-pin connector as the one pictured in François' review of the XDA I carkit?

I've just ordered one from Germany on the basis that it was RJ11. I've already started praying that I can rewire it... :cry:

The guys at o2 seem to be quietly confident that their to-be-sold UK kit has an RJ11, so I presume that's the kit Rafiki was referring to.. I might have to find some way out of this! :?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Pegasus:
It looks like the picture but I am sure it only had four wires attached, however I may be wrong.

just been out to the car and checked it, it looks like the connector in the photo but it only has 4 connections and 4 wires going to it.

hope this helps
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
I already have two pictures one from Germany & one that Akira posted in Holland.....but I do not know how to post them .! :oops:

I can forward them to some who does know how to post them on this site !
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
Eureka! I did it but its not so clear!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
Hm. That's the GPS connector? Just bare wires? I'm too confused now, I think I'll just wait and see what arrives.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] PAiko:
Did you get the AB-3 selector? Hence, did it work?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] PAiko:
Possibly this product of Conrad will work (sorry it's in Dutch).

http://www.pbase.com/image/29639871
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
Thanks to Paiko I now got A MDA II car kit . I have here a photo of the plug socket on the car kit and an adapter for two recievers.

The Plug from the old Navigon GPS Receiver is an Mini Din 4 Pin Plug better known as a S-VHS Plug. The Plug from the new Navigon MN4 Receiver is an PS/2 Plug.

I hope that this is clear for you!

Rafiki
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] nickety:
Thanks Rafiki - that's really helpful.

Do you happen to know if one can buy ready-made adaptors to RJ45 connectors?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
No..... But I know a man you can make one for you ( in Germany ). You need to send photo of your reciever plug and the plug socket of your car kit. I got mine within 1 week.

Interested? I can send you a PM

:D
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] dumbterminal:
Hey everyone - found this at expansis which looks quite interesting

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=111504

DT
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] spamo:
Pukka car kit for xdaII

http://www.login.co.th/cgi-bin/cs?asset=21&id=1139

Above link not a lot more info... but might interest any one Travelling to/from Thailand! Works out to be £100.00

Regards!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] silver ch:
PDA Booster

Improve the sound quality of your PDA !

Many of the loudspeakers of todays PDA are often too weak to be of great help when using the PDA as a navigation tool. The PDA-Booster was

especially designed to solve this problem. Simple and fast installation. With additional 12 Volt connector to connect a GPS antenna. Works with

all types of PDA that have a 3.5 mm stereo headphone exit. Extendable to a PDA hands free car kit (e.g. for Qtek2020). Delivery from stock. To

place an order or for further information please go to

www.pda-booster.com
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
The price of a genuine O2 XDA II carkit seems to have dropped in Germany:

http://www.telido.de/produkt.asp?products_id=29391

Now for 137 euro (ex shipping) !!!

People at Telido.de confirmed this is the original O2 XDAII Carkit (with the GPS connector).

I ordered one, hopefully the T-Mobile statement on the 'II' that it supports both gsm and pda sound IS true . . .
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
Got it!

Although the box nor the manual mention 'O2', the contents is exactly like I saw on some australian sites that also claim to sell the original O2 carkit.

On the other hand: The cradle looks VERY much like the i-mate carkit as sold by Expansys . . .

The kit for sure is different from the T-Mobile one.

Contents:

Cradle with RJ11 GPS connector, GSM-antenna connector

Blackbox

Speaker

Mic

GSM-antenna (with moulded wire, so seems to be useless)

Manual

It supports easy and complex wiring:

- Just use the speaker

- Use speaker with car-audio mute

- Use car-audio speakers with car-audio mute

What I need now is

- GPS mouse with RJ11 (or better: PS/2 o RJ11 converter cable)

- Dashmount or pro-clip

Following some info on the RJ11 6-wire GPS connector:

RJ-11 pinout:

1. NC

2. +5V

3. RX

4. TX

5. GND

6. NC

It's RS232 COM1 in XDA II

You can use any other RS232 GPS receiver too

Just find GND and the +5V UCC on the RJ-11 pins - you will know the rest.

Remember to connect RX of your GPS receiver with TX on the carkit connector and vice versa.

It should pe possible to make a converter myself.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] griffog:
Carcomm do them, see http://www.carcomm.nl/ select Products | PDA Cradles and scroll down. I have an XDAII Cradle from them in for review and it came with a bunch of adapters one of wich is PS2 to RJ11 for TomTom.

TomTom's UK Reseller is TotalPDA, www.totalpda.com .
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Ian G:
No Whistles and No bells but at least it's off the floor!

Easy little cradle - get the otherwise useless leather case out of the garbage, cut the cover off, fix some velcro to the back of the case and to the dash on the car or wherever and hey presto - a simple, yet effective cradle!

Best Regards

Ian G [/img]
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
Some feedback on my new XDA2 carkit I bought from www.telido.de for 137 euro.

I indeed looks like the Expansys kit.

Works flawlessly.

Some remarks:

1. Ring-tone is via PDA speaker

2. Phone sounde (after call acceptance) is via carkit speaker

3. PDA sounce (like TomTom directions) is via PDA speaker

4. audio mute (to ground in a call) / acc-out (to 12v in a call) only functions AFTER call acceptance

Microfone is very good directive.

Speaker is clear an loud

All in all i am happy :D especially since I paid 137 euro . . . .
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
@ edsub

The MDA II carkit that I bought has none of these minor flaws. All audio comes from the car kit speaker which is quite loud .

The only drawback is that there is no volume control or manual mute and the speaker is sometimes too loud ! For example if you have a second phone in the car and you need the sound off quickly on the MDA II car kit then you have a problem.

The only solution is to have the audio via the car radio ( with help from Conrad accessory- see thread from Paiko in PC pocket NL) and then you can turn the mute manually via the car radio.

But all in all I am very happy with this car kit and my navigation system. Glad to hear that you are happy with yours!

:D

Rafiki
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
@Rafiki

Since the connector of the MDAII only has few 'wires' for supporting audio (on which both PDA and phone audio must be combined), I guess it not only is a hardware issue, but software as well.

>>>What is the ROM (version / type) you are using?

The correct software should:

1. Activate the carkit sound-system whenever the MDAII is inserted

2. Direct all sound to the audio connectors to the carkit (NOT via the headset jack!!)

3. Activate the phone-mute / acc-out whenever a call is being made

If this is in a ROM, any carkit would function the way it should be ( and make me even happier!!) 8)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Rafiki:
@edsub

Believe it or not I am still using the original rom version ( T- mobile from NL )

1.03.00 USA

radio version1.05.12

I need to upgrade but up to now I am too busy to do that. Any way if it works why try to fix it? :lol:

I understand from the PC Pocket thread in NL that " Paiko" has the version versie 1.60.36 and this works. So you can conclude that the MDA II carkit works with these two roms.

Have you tried posting this query on

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/forumdisplay.php?f=44

These seems to be a lot of techinal info here but in German. I use a translation machine a lot here to read .

Good luck!

:D

Rafiki
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] shwhost:
Re: Expensive from O2

It is true, in o2 retail shops, the car kits can only be sold with fitting due to something to do with trading standards, and that it invalidates the warranty if you do it yourself.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
On http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors it is clearly explained that the MDA II connector has following audio-related pins:

1 CAR_MIC_IN

3 CAR_AUDIO_R

4 CAR_AUDIO_L

With the original T-Mobile MDA II carkit ALL audio (phone & pda) is said to go via these pins

With the XDA2 carkit only phone audio (after accepting a call) goes via these pins.

:idea: Maybe this has also something to do with the switching of the in-car signal on

19 CAR_ON

CAR_ON is connected to +6V on the car charger which makes the phone go to speaker mode immediately when picked up or dialing.

>> This is the behaviour of the XDA II carkit!!!

When this pin is connected to ground, the internal mike and speaker are turned off, and audio input is taken from the audio input pin on the connector.

>>Is this the behaviour of the MDA II carkit??

:?: So: Would it be worth trying to connect pin 19 to ground instead of +6v inside the carkit cradle??

Any advice greatly appreciated :!: :!:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] HappyGod:
Original XDA 2 Car Kits

Does anybody know of a site (English Language) that has the authentic XDA 2 or MDA 2 car kits for a reasonable price?

I've tried a few Australian sites, but they are very expensive. I would even be grateful for any foreign language sites, as long as its pretty straight forward how to buy the item.

Cheers!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] silver ch:
go to

www.pda-booster.com
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
pda-booster does not come near to a 'genuine' carkit . . .

You can try

expansys.co.uk (xda II carkit)

carcomm.nl (xda II cradle)

i-con.nl (MDA II carkit), try:

http://www.i-con.nl/pd1421989805.htm?categoryId=32

telido.de (MDAII and XDAII carkit, try

http://www.telido.de/produkt.asp?gruppe=110_119500_1000305&products_id=29354

or

http://www.telido.de/produkt.asp?gruppe=110_114500_1000333&products_id=29391

Withc the nl and de websites: just send them an english email. Big chance you will get your answer (in english)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] vcp:
Can you provide further information on telido's O2 XDA II Car Kit Ref 29391 (priced 136,30€). Unfortunately my german is null and I can not navigate on telido's web page to obtain it.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
The 'cheap' Telido one (XDA II carkit) is the same one as Expansys are selling.

I bought one from Telido.

Telido can be contacted via this form:

http://www.telido.de/kontakt.asp

The carkit features a RJ11 style GPS connector. I posted the pinout in another thread, but I am not using is: bought a bluetooth GPS.

BTW: I have the same issues like a lot of others, namely only in-call Phone audio goes thru the carkit speaker. All other audio (incl ringingtone, mp3, navigation prompts) go thru the pda speaker.

These issues CANNOT be hardware dependent. It must be something in the software. The question now is: WHAT?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] vcp:
Thanks for the info. I've sent a mail to Telido to try to obtain more info.

As I can see you bought it from Nederlands, so you have answer to these questions:

- Does price include VAT and shiping ?

- How long did you have to wait for shipping, after buying it?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] VW_ELM:
I just bought a full carkit for the Qtek 2020 over hereCARKIT QTEK2020 for 202,78 euros. Its a very nice carkit, and best thing is now I can hear my TomTom Navigator trough my speakers in the car... GREAT!! :D

Greetz

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[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] vcp:
Re: Telido´s O2xdaII Car Kit

Telido have answered me that they only ship to Germany.

Does anybody know of another way to obtain it from Spain ? (another supplier)

Can any german man buy this kit for mr ??
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
@VW_ELM: That carkit looks exactly the same as the genuine t-Mobile carkit for MDAII.

Can you please give details of your device and ROM?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] VW_ELM:
@edsub

I've got a Qtek 2020 with this specs

Rom is 1.60.00wwe

radio is 1.06.01

protocol versie 1337.16

qtek extended rom 1.60.21

Don't know if it's the same as the T-Moble carkit. I didn't know there was a full carkit for the Qtek till this weekend.

@vcp

I don't know if it works with the O2 XDAII, a friend off mine has the T-Mobile MDA II, and we are going to test it tomorrow if it works with his device too. Cause he wants to buy one too.

Why don't you email that shop to ask if it works for your O2 device too? If so, you can try to order one with that shop. If he doesn't want to ship it I'll order one for you and ship it to you as you just pay the bill.

Cya
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
If the carkit works for a Qtek 2020, it will definitely work for all Himalaya devices:

O2 XDA II

T-Mobile MDA II

iMate

Qtek 2020

Orange SPV.....

BTW: Interesting to learn you have OS ROM 1.60.00WWE. I have the same version (but T-Mobile branded via Extended ROM). With my O2 XDA II carkit I only have in-call phone audio via the carkit :cry:

Two more questions on the carkit:

1. Does it only connect to the XDA II vai the flat connector at the bottom? Or is there also something to connect tot het headphone socket?

2. What is the version of handsfre.dll on your Qtek?

My hopes were for finding a different ROM that has support for all audio via the carkit. It is the software that has to switch on/off the carkit. Apparently it does this for you with all audio being output. With me only in-call phone audio goes out . . .

ps. At Telido.de the T-Mobile carkit sells for less than you bought the Qtek carkit for . . .
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] vcp:
@VW_ELM

Thanks I've ordered it from another German shop.

Waiting to receive it, will post findings.

UPDATE 22Jul2004 : Received it (From passiontec.de )

- Total cost included shipping to Spain was 155 €.

- Will install it, and post findings.....
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] bandito66:
Do you know when the SEIDIO car kit will be available for XDAII??

Here's the link to this car kit
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
I stopped waiting for that a month ago.

Bought the XDA2 carkit

Seidio looks good, but a lot of negative feedback on different forum sites
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] Grungle:
I have taken a photo of the XDA II carkit cradle and labled everything so you can see what is what. I have just hooked everything up to a Garmin GPS76 and its all sweet man.

Only used pins 3, 4 and 5.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] DSS:
T-Mobile Car Kit

Hi everybody,

after having some trouble with the Expansys Car-Kit (e.g. bad audio quality), I have the T-Mobile Car-Kit in use for 8 weeks now and I am really satisfied. The only problem I have is with the radio mute in combination with my BMW-sound-system; the radio keeps muted after it was muted for the first time, only solution is to swith off and on the radio. This issue only shows with BMW-Cars. My dealer was told, that within the next weeks there will be a new firmware available for the black-box, which will resolve this issue.

Cheers

DSS
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] bandito66:
Anyone knows if totalPDA ships everywhere in Europe. I've sent them an email but no response :?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] hooligan:
Car Kits In Australia

Hi All,

@Grungle

What kit are you using and where did you get it? I'm having trouble with getting my hands on the kit I originally ordered (apparantly they've withdrawn it due to too many problems?? :? ).

Do you get both phone and pda audio through your speakers?

@ HappyGod

Did you end up getting a kit from o/s? If so, which one??
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] edsub:
@bandito: You know that is not a carkit but a cradle with power & GPS connectors? In other words: For making phone calls you have to rely on the built in speaker & mic.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Accessories] bandito66:
I know, I've got a bluetooth headset :wink: