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[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] wayandrs:
Repeating alerts?

Ok so maybe it's not totally part of the core functionality or anything... :roll: BUT

The one suck-a** thing about this phone has always been that there's no repeating alert of missed calls, new voicemails or SMS.

Is there anyways you can stew up something that'll handle that? It'd be nice not to have to actually go look at the phone if there are missed calls. Since this may be the ONLY device left on the planet that doesn't support that little feature.

:shock:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Re: Repeating alerts?

How do you see that??? Repeating alert after a missed call? Never had a phone which did this.... Don't know which phone you have had?

I understand what you mean, but I don't understand where it comes from, because I never saw it in any phone!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
There is 'Ring Once' ring mode but you have to set a beep as ring tone ...

I don't know if there is a code to beep ? I don't think so ...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
I don't find a code to do that yet. But I'd like too to integarte that functionnality... so as soon as I find how to do I will integrate that

For a text version this should be easier but for the choice to select between 4/5 buttons is not easy to implement so not for the moment sorry.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Repeating alerts?

PZP simply set phone settings, but cannot handle notifications, keep them in mind then repeat alert ... so I don't think it is possible to do that sorry
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] JaToAc:
@zendrui

thanks for the answer, looking forward to the next version...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Someone made some more nice icons???

I've been thinking about some new ones, but I have no inspiration for the pictures, someone else?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] JaToAc:
the problem is not to find any ideas for icons IT'S TIME... i would like to do some icons (i already started with some), but don't have the time to really work on them...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] bacsig:
I make some mini icons:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] wayandrs:
Repeating Alerts

Hey, j_metselaars:

I don't know about you, but all the cell phones I've ever owned keep beeping every so often till you acknowledge a missed call or new voicemail. At least every single Motorola and Nokia phone that I've owned has that feature.

Even the old Sony brick from 97 did it.

Maybe it's no fitting the scope of this application, but I did see the feature where you could customize your alerts... and one of the options was to set x time delay and then repeat. Which seemed like the humble beginnings for a repeating till acknowledged alert.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Hello guys.

I go to the cebit for the next week so I don't know if I will be able to answer but keep continuing to post if you have comments about PZP.

I will try to keep an eye on the forum ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] sublimatica:
Re: Repeating Alerts

I've only had Nokias since 1993 until my XDA2 and none of them did this. However, the 02 network in the Uk used to call you repeatedly if you had voicemail until you listened to your messages, so maybe what you describe was a network feature, not a phone feature.

Personally. I DON'T want my phone to beep repeatedly at me if I've got voicemail - a flashing light and an on-screen symbol is enough for me.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] JaToAc:
just a quick one...

download here

if i find some time i will upload more icons...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] pbelcl:
They are super, thanks for it!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
:? ok I check that

Update : I tried 3 times from a mode to another and all worked :? Did you specified category or status ... ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Tekguru:
Re: Qtek 9090

Sorry Zen, must have missed it! Any particular version you recommend I try it with? Plus I hope to god someone helps out with that blasted SDK!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Qtek 9090

Well with the last version let's say the 5.01.

I don't think you risk many.

For the sdk I hope that too or at least that someone find a way to use it without the SDK.

Widcomm answered me that the sdk costed 1350$ and that no light version were available :evil:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I tried both.

The same problem.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] SiliconS:
You could try exporting your profiles, uninstalling PZP, reinstalling PZP and importing your profiles. That fixed the problem that I had a while ago, although I was upgrading from 4.5.1 to 5.1 so this may have been a different problem.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Ok I think I found. If the XDA is on when the switch ends the refresh is not made.

I check more in details and correct that.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
Re: Qtek 9090

Sorry zendrui, so far I haven't had any problems with notification or red flashing (LEDs, I suppose?). If you are asking me for the flashing/ blinking of the PZP plug-in like SiliconS' above I have to say that I haven't downloaded the beta release jet. I'm just working with the 5.01 version. But I can download and try if you want.

Klaus
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Thanks Avalon-99, so I am not losing my mind. Something else to add, I now have a serious lag with the new version and I have exported, uninstall, rebooted and reinstall, imported. Same switch problem.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
No keep using the 5.01. If it works well it is cool.

:? Maybe it is due to the outlook refresh ? If you uncheck it do you have the problem ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
Hi zendrui,

again I have a question about the switches.

1.: The outlook switches are not working as expected. Sometimes they do sometimes not.

2.: The time icon behaviour is confusing my.

ad 1.: Do I have to tell PZP in any way that they are new appointments with a relevant outlook category? Assume this: It's 7:00 o'clock. I define an appointment from 7:23 to 7:25 and another from 7:26 to 7:27 for testing reasons. Switch should occur to mode 3 and than back to mode 5. Time icon 'all switches allowed' is active. Time goes by and no switch happens. If I look at the time log file I notice this:

(5)19/11/2004 6:30
(PZP)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 13:0
(5)19/11/2004 7:22
(PZPS)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 13:0
(5)19/11/2004 7:23
(PZPS)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 13:0

The time'13:0' - is this correct? As far as I understood the timelog time is always written in the format hh:mm. This works perfect with time switches from the time menu or the settings/ time settings option which I use to turn off my phone over night.

ad 2.: time icon behaviour: If the icon 'all-switches-allowed' is active and a time switch or an outlook switch occurs than the time icon is not changing to 'durations-running' or 'outlook-running'. That only work if I'm in the 'only-time-switches-allowed' or in the 'only-outlook switches-allowed' mode. Wouldn't it make sense to see the 'duration-running' or 'outlook-running' icon also if 'all-switches-allowed' is active?

If I choose a temporarily switch from the time menu than the icon is always changing to 'duration-running'.

I hope that was not to confusing and sorry if that has been answered before.

Cheers, Klaus
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Beta 5

The beta 5 is on the site. There should be no refresh problem anymore (I tried and all seems ok).

I know that outloook refresh takes some time if there is no outlook appointment. So maybe with the outlook refresh checked it causes some lags if no matching appointment exists. If yes (I will try in details) I will remove this option in this version and look to optimize that. And add that option in the next version. But I'm not sure this option is really a good add-in. Because if you create a new appointment, then turn off your XDA, auto refresh is not made. There is no way PZP detects a new appointment is created when you exit the calendar. the best way is really to refresh manually I guess.

PZP cannot detect that a new appointment is entered in the calendar so after you created the appointments did you tap&hold the settings icon ?

Because if you don't do that new appointments won't be taken in account.

I made the outlook refresh option thinking that if you forgot to tap&hold and let your XDA turned on a little the new appointments will be refreshed automatically. But I'm not sure it is really a good way.

The best way is to create the appointment then tapéhold the settings icon.

Well if you are in "all switchs allowed" or 'only outlook allowed" when an outlook switch happen the icon must change to outlook running state. At the end of the appointment it comes back to the previous state.

It doenst' work for you ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
I'll try again but now I'm offline for about an hour. cu, Klaus
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] SiliconS:
Re: Beta 5

Did Iggy break the page structure? ;)

I would like PZP to update itself automatically for Outlook appointments. I just know I will forget to tap-and-hold the settings icon to refresh PZP whenever I make a new meeting appointment. Perhaps every hour PZP could refresh the appointments list automatically? I haven't noticed any problems with this, but then I don't have a lot of meetings. :wink: :mrgreen:

On another subject, zendrui, I've noticed that when using the tap-and-hold-a-mode system for choosing a mode duration, if I tap and hold the temporary mode to see the end time, the minutes aren't zero-padded. In other words an end time of 12:08 is displayed as 12:8. It's a small bug but hopefully would be easy to fix. ;)

Perhaps that message could also be expanded to show the name of the mode. For example it could show "Switching to Normal at 12:08" instead of "Mode 4 at 12:08" ? Just a suggestion. :)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
OK - back at work ... ;)

(OT: Are you all having this strange view of posts?)

At the meeting there was some time to try the outlook switch again. It works - SOMETIMES!

In the timelog file you can see that

I defined at 10:58

an outlook switch at 11:00 to mode 3 and back to mode 5 at 11:03 and

I defined at 11:22 an

outlook switch at 11:25 to mode 3 and back to mode 5 at 11:30

(5)19/11/2004 10:58
(PZP)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 11:0
(5)19/11/2004 11:0
(WZP)Running
(5)19/11/2004 11:0
(PZP)Mode5 OutStart: Mode3
(5)19/11/2004 11:0
(PZP)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 11:3
(5)19/11/2004 11:3
(WZP)Running
(5)19/11/2004 11:3
(PZP)Mode5 OutEnd: Mode5
(5)19/11/2004 11:3
(PZP)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 13:0

(5)19/11/2004 11:22
(PZP)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 11:25
(5)19/11/2004 11:30
(PZP)Mode5 OutEnd: Mode5
(5)19/11/2004 11:30
(PZP)Next Wake (5)19/11/2004 13:0

First failed, second was fine including the icon change. Because it did not work the first time I tab’n hoooold (some seconds) the 2nd time. Is there any confirmation (beep/ message?) available that I get to know I 'hold' long enough? What does that e.g "11:3" mean? Is maybe the time span of just 3 minutes in the first try to short?

Let me now if you need more information and thank you for your help,

Klaus
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Yes iggy broke all :P

SiliconS I corrected the timemenu display for both the minutes and the mode name (was easy in fact, I just never noticed that)

Maybe instead of set an outlook refresh every n sec when the PPC is on I could set a refresh every hour (or someting like that) in the same system I use to wake up the PPC when a switch have to be done.

But I'm not sure it will solve the problem. Because if you set an appointment that will happen in 45min the auto refresh will arrive too late. Moreover wake up the ppc every hour to refresh will probably cause the battery life be shorter :?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] :
Re: Beta 5

May it be possible to implement an uninstall-feature?

For every new beta I have to deactivate pzp, softreset, deinstall, softreset and then to install the new cab.

It would be conveniant to click on uninstall on options-screen and the uninstall-procedure then does all for me!?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] SiliconS:
Re: Beta 5

Whenever I've upgraded I've just deactivated PZP from the Todayscreen and then installed the new version over the top. Seems to have worked OK so far.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Well Zen, I may have broken everything else buy I may have an idea of how to fix PzP.

Tried beta 5 all outlook TO switches worked, but when it switched, the outlook switch icon was activated (instead of all enabled) and it never switches back.

I installed PzP Tray to see if it worked the same, it did, but with one twist, if after the Outlook Switch TO happened, I re-enabled all switches, and it switched back after the appt. was finished.

So to end this longwinded explanation maybe if you keep All Enabled always on instead of switching to the outlook icon??? or maybe see what might be happening when it switches to the outlook icon??? What do you think, sounds good or just a lot of hot air.

Update: re-enabling the All Enable on the PzP version does not help it switch back on PzP Tray.

Update 2: Just disabled, PzP and used only PzP Tray, regular and reoccurring switches both worked perfectly.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] SiliconS:
I don't know, but is there some kinda flag in the Outlook database which tells PZP when things have changed in the calendar? If so then maybe PZP could just examine that flag when it does its 20 second mode scan?

There must be something to tell ActiveSync which appointments to synchronise, no?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
SiliconS, I don't think PzP has a problem recognizing a new appt., I have tested PzP Tray several times now and it worked perfectly with all appts. entered and I usually give it less than a minute from the time entering and executing.

Zen, I just don't understand why PzP is acting differently that PzP Tray.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
There is no difference. The only thing is the way to display.

I don't understand why you still have the problem.

I think the trouble came from my modif about the blink but I tried all this morning and all my outlook switchs ended well :?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
:?

Well for now I will use PzP Tray since it works for me. Have you had any luck in increasing the Tray Menu Font??? Then I would not have a problem using PzP Tray all the time.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mvsmith07:
White screen keeps coming on after installing beta3 upwards

I don't think anyone else has reported this (have read back a few pages) and, therefore, I wonder if there's something unique with my installation. Anyway, after installing PZP 5.1 beta3 a few days ago (and beta5 today), my XDA II has taken to turning on the LCD panel every so often. All you see is a white screen for a few seconds. It's not like it turns on the PDA itself 'cos the home screen isn't displayed, just a white screen. If I uninstall PZP 5.1 beta5 and install 5.01 I get the same results. This can happen at any time, but is especially problematic around scheduled switches. It doesn't matter if these are timed or outlook switches.

I haven't tried uninstalling PZP 5.1 beta5, clearing the registry and then installing 5.01. Perhaps I should try this and see if the problems are as a result of installing 5.1 beta3 upwards.

If I completely uninstall PZP the problem is no longer there.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Maybe it works for me but the important is that it works you and the others users :wink: I will wait other feedbacks to be sure.

Well I didn't notice the white screen you mentionned :? . When a switch should happen the XDA is turned on for 40secs but not the screen.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Tekguru:
Re: Qtek 9090

Cheers Zen, will check it out ASAP - I assume it's bes to set the phone as 'no change'?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Beta 5

Beta5 is fasted then Beta4 and Beta5 doesn't blink at todayscreen. :D

PZP Beta4 causes the XDA to be slower!

With deactivated Automatic Refresh - all works fine. :lol:

PZP switches to Meeting and Timeicon changes to outlook_running.bmp

At the End of the appointment PZP switches back and Timeicon changes back.

If Automatic Refresh is activated, nothing happens PZP doesn't switch to Meeting.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Beta 5

Well yes but even if you let radio on it doesn't do anything.

Thank you again for feedback :D

I know that automatic refresh option will be great but I think it is not really useable. I mean it can only work if the PPC is on at least 45sec after the appointment was created. And if it causes the ppc to be slower, maybe I should remove this functiun for that version until a find a real effcient way to have it ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] SiliconS:
Re: Beta 5

Noooooooooo! :D If you remove the auto-refresh I'll never remember to update PZP with appointments! :cry:

Can't the auto-refresh run once every hour or something, like I suggested above?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
:D yes I know it is an needed feature but I can release the 5.1 without if all work and work in paralell on the 5.2 with that feature.

For example I release the 5.1 withtout and let the 5.2beta with (5.2 = 5.1 + outlook refresh)

Good deal ?

I say that because it will be great if all is ok that the the backlight and run settings + landscape support will be in the last version.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Re: Beta 5

My PPC was always on, but he doesn't read the appointments with category meeting.

With Beta5 nothing happens when I activate Automatic refresh - PZP doesn't switch.

If Automatic refresh is activated and after the appointment was created, I tap long on Settingsicon - PZP makes the first switch, but he doesn't switch back.

With Status, it works, but it causes the ppc to be slower.

So, you could add Automatic refresh, but I will deactivate it.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Zen & everyone else, please try PzP Tray with the automatic refresh and before we kill this function. I have done several tests and PzP Tray works everytime with the Auto function but PzP does not.

Zen if you deceide to release 5.1 without this could you still leave it in PzP Tray if everyone confirms my findings???
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Dustoff:
New icons

Zen,

I could not find your new icons posted on the website. (i.e. Plane and car) Are they part of the new beta or can you load them on the site for download.

Thanks in advance...

Dustoff
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: New icons

Well ok maybe I can let outlook auto refresh option and add a warning on my website saying that it can causes some slow down. The once release I will work to optimize that.

I check that it works also in the today plugin.

Apart that point (outlook auto refresh) all works ?

Yes they are inside the new beta but I will propose them for download once the release will be out.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Re: New icons

Thanks Zen, yes with PzP Tray everything works and since in uninstalled PzP the lag is no longer their.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
Re: Beta 5

Hi zendrui,

I did some test for a while and I must admit, that the icons are not working than I expected. To make clear what I see (and maybe other can tell what they get) I'd like to explain what happens:

First I defined some time and some outlook switches. All switches worked as expected (since I got the idea of tab'n hold correctly ;) ) but in some cases there is no change of icons:

IF 'All Switches Allowed' AND 'Time Switch' occurs ' NO 'Duration running' icon appears

IF 'Only Time Switches Allowed' AND 'Time Switch' occurs ' NO 'Duration Running' icon appears

IF 'All Switches Allowed' AND 'Outlook Switch' occurs ' YES the 'Outlook running' icon appears as expected

IF 'Only Outlook Switches Allowed' AND 'Outlook Switch' occurs ' YES the 'Outlook Running' icon appears

IF I choose a duration from the 'Time Menu' e.g. a change for 15 min. than the 'Durations Running' icon appears as expected

I tried both with the standard icon and with the one I skinned myself.

Any ideas?

Thanks you!

Klaus
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Re: Beta 5

I think duration_Running.bmp is only for Tap&Hold switches.

Same by me. I think that is correct.

If you mean Tap&Hold. I think that is correct.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
Re: Beta 5

Are you sure? I think it would make perfectly sense if there would be a switch to the 'Duration Running' icon.

zendrui - please help! ;)

Thanks,

Klaus
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Beta 5

I think I won't be able to work this week end on PZP but I will check the auto refresh in details.

Because it seems that this is the only problem on this version, so I will try to find the best solution.

For the icons questions

- duration_running is only displayed when a tap&hold switch happen. To show that this switch is only running for a temporary time.

- outlook_running is only display when a switch based on an appointment is running. And an outlook switch normally can happen only if the status icon is set to "all enabled" or "only outlook enabled"

- the icon doesn't change when a programmed switch happens.

Are you aggree with that ? ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Klausi:
Yes, I agree. But would it not make sense to see the 'duration running' icon also when a programmed switch is in affect?

e.g.:

'all switches allowed' icon --> programmed switch running --> display of 'durations running' icon

and

'only programmed switches allowed' icon --> programmed switch running --> display of 'duration running' icon

just my $0,02.

(BTW I'm still talking about 5.01)

Thank you,

Klaus

PS: that are cool new icons you have made! Congratulations!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Re: Beta 5

Hi Zen, I think we have a serious problem with PzP Tray (or at least my XDA does). If PzP Tray is running I am loosing memory fast.

What I mean is I quit PzP Tray and left it overnight it was at 9.4mb in the morning it was still 9.4mb, I turned PzP Tray on in the morning at 10:10 and by 10:30 it was at 5.4mb. Could you please look into this, I was quite happy with PzP Tray working with the Auto Refresh.

I also tried to take off the Auto Refresh and rebooted to see if this was the problem, after rebooting and waited half an hour with Auto Refresh off no memory loss.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] JaToAc:
no problem with loosing memory here... everything works as expected... looking forward to the final...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] SiliconS:
Well, my $0.02 is that the current switch indicators are fine. I think it's useful to see when the tap'n hold switch is running, but I don't need to see when a programmed switch is running - it's the same every day. :)

Icons work fine for me at the moment.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
About the icons :

I cannot set an icon when a programmed switch happens.

Icons are here to show that there is a restriction (no outlook allowed ...) or that a temporary switch is running.

About the memory and auto refresh :

I will check but I didn't notice anything.

I will post a beta 6 without the auto refresh. If all is ok with that version it will become the 5.1. Then just after that I will improve, optimize and correct the auto refresh.

But I want to release first a version with run/backlight and landscape support ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Version 5.1 beta 6

Ok the version 5.1 beta 6 in on the site (without outlook auto refresh).

Waiting to be sure that all work ok for you too I look for the outlook auto refresh to add that feature in the 5.2.

Regards,

Zen
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I forgot to say:

With all PZP Beta's, I couldn't start Settings through

Start - Settings - Today -Elements - PZP - Options.

It only works through the Settingsicon.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] henrylim:
Re: Version 5.1 beta 6

Probably shouldn't hv quoted.

Well, besides Widcomm SDK, there's a cheaper version from high-point.

Check it out.

http://www.high-point.com/
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mtbsoft:
Re: Beta 5

Zendrui,

Wasn't the auto-refresh originally tied to the Today screen refresh or was it always on timer? This caused the clash between PZP and tAgenda I thought.

Would it not make sense to permit people to choose their own refresh period? They can then set it according to their own needs.