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[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Well in fact I posted the version 4.0 for free. Only the version 4.5 was sold.

For I now 3 versions on handango and 3 versions on pocketgear have been bought ;)

To Avalon99

Yes I downloaded the last version of PocketSkype and PocketWinc...

Could it be that ?

To all and Pocket Me

Here what I added in the current version I develop.

-The sounds settings page

-The selection of the days for the switchs

-The tap&hold menu. If you tap&hold on a mode it displays the menu.

For example you are in mode4 and want to switch for 10minutes in mode2.

You just tap and hold to mode2 and select 10. So now PZP is in mode2 and in 10minutes will come back to mode4.

This switch by menu is independant on the other switchs (programmed through the settings page).

If you want to stop this switch programmed simply tap&hold the mode2 and click on the cross.

It will abort the time switch program.

What do you think of that system ?

PS : for those who asked I don't program in full time ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
The days and the time by tap and hold looks very nice! Really that would do the trick!! Looks very nice and powerfull! Only thing I could think of: is it big enough to tap by thumb?

The only thing I don't get is whatfore are the sounds? What is the function of it and how to use?? Don't get what that means....
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tadzio:
Well, I'm afraid my fingers are too big for nine buttons in a row. And I guess others will have the same problem. Can you make two lines with five buttons each? By the way, do we really need that many buttons? Personally, I think I can easily live with just five buttons - 10, 30, 60, 120, X. We have five profiles to chose from, so five seems to be a good number for PZP. :-)

I personally would also like to have these buttons closer to the PZP plug-in display. It's just more intuitive.

Anyway, great work, Zendrui! Lighning fast as ever. Your day seems to have more than 24 hours, if you're not even working full time on PZP. Where can I get such days?

Cheers

Daniel
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
@Zendrui and j_metselaars

:D :D :D :D :D

With PocketWINc you be right, I had version PocketWiNc2003_1_3_952_setup.exe.

With the newest Version pocketWinc_setup_1_3_978.exe, no more problems with PZP.

But PocketSkype doesn't work, I get Squares in my registry. :(

I installed Skype for Pocket PC 0.94, Version 0.94.0.11. Released on May 13, 2004. Have you another Version?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Zenduri, this looks great, just one question if I don't set a switch time for weekend which does it default to. ie. I set all my switching to happen mon-fri does that mean the last active on Friday is what is on for the entire weekend???
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Pocket Me:
@Zendrui

Your new time settings: how can I do if I set time swicth from Mon to Fri at specific time but other value of time switch for weekend? E.g:

Switch Mode 5 on at 00:30 from Mon to Fri

Switch Mode 5 on at 01:30 on Sat and Sun

If you use check boxs for day selection, you have to add more controls to do it.

And I think the "then back" option is not necessary. One "switch at" option for each mode is enough. Try to decrease the controls as well as decrease program size.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Pocket Me:
How to set different switch time for days and weekend?

E.g:

Switch on Mode at 01:30 on weekend.

Switch on Mode at 12:30 on other days.

Choose "saturday" value in "switch on" combo box, set switch at 01:30.

Choose "sunday" value in "switch on" combo box, set switch at 01:30.

Choose "monday" value in "switch on" combo box, set switch at 12:30, repeat for other days.

If you want to set time switch for all days with the same "switch at" value, un-check "switch on" check box.

That's all.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Pocket Me:
this is the image for above message.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tadzio:
Well, here's a very ambitious idea for a completly new way of setting time switches. I am aware that it has little chance of being realized, but at least I would like to hear everybody's opinion. :-)

Its advantages are:

- very easy to understand and use

- eliminates all ambiguities, overlapping modes etc

- allows very flexible settings

The only disadvantage:

- probably quite hard to implement.

The main difference: it's a graphical setting tool. I tried to create a drawing, but failed - I am really not much of a graphical artist. :-) So let me describe it in words.

The main control is a big (2/3 of the screen) grid field. It is divided into seven lines, one for each day, and some columns that together form a time span from 0:00 to 24:00 (ideally, one column for every 15 minutes, but I guess the display is not wide enough). It is basically a map of the week, with labels "M T W T F S S" on the left side and "0:00 ... 24:00" over the top.

Above the map there are five little squares with different colors. Each square represents one of the five modes. The user can now drag these squares to wherever s/he wants in the map, actually making a copy[/] of the square, and not moving it. Once dropped to the map, he can horizontally resize the dropped square in both directions. The square then becomes a bar that represent the time for which a mode is active. Of course, each mode can be dragged and dropped many times to many different places on the map. So, the user can really create a graphical map of active modes. If that's not flexible enough, then I don't know what will be... :-)

I realize that the screen is not wide enough to get the necessary presicion when horizontally resizing a bar. So, it may be a good idea to have two input fields (below the map?), one for start end one for end time. Their content would change automatically when the user resizes a bar, but the user also can enter a value into these boxes, much like in a graphics or CAD program, to set the precise time

Also, to make it perfect, if a bar comes very close to another, existing bar, the time being changed by resizing should "snap" to the existing bar's time.

Initially, the map would be initialized with a default mode - which would once and for ever answer the question to which mode PZP switches when there is no mode configured. :-)

Okay, I am just dreaming and brainstorming. The main problem I see is that the screen is not wide enough for 24 hours in a decent granularity. But maybe we can develop this idea further, and find a solution for that. Apart from this, I like this little idea... it would make time setting ultimately flexible, and yet still simple to use.

What do you all think?

Cheers

Daniel
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Urosh:
HHMmmmmm

HHmmmm... this is not good.

I'll contact all my friends that have Qtek in Slovenia and order them to buy it.

Bye,

Urosh
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] chopper32uk:
Zen, I have another alternative for the tap and hold idea, or more specifically, the amount of time before it switches back. Instead of the 15,30,45,60,120 minute options, why not have a clock input field much like on the time switching page. This way you can select a time for it to revert back to the previous mode as opposed to switching after X minutes.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] izeman:
so add 5.- from me via paypal. (i think that's better than giving som xx% to handango an co.)

regards ize|man
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] ednap:
I have been using the PZP for a while now without any real issue, until yesterday.

I selected my car profile which is supposed to turn on the BT and then I tap the headset profile On and away I go.

Yesterday when I selcted the car profile it displayed a tick but the BT did not turn on. I tapped the headset profile just in case and my unit went blank. The unit would not turn on regardless of what I did. So no choice but to perform a hard reset, all the way to standard out of the box configeration. :oops:

As I backup every few days day I was able to recover most of my stuff but just wondering if this is indeed a PZP issue?

I'm using

ROM Version 1.66.00WWE

ROM date 02/20/04

Radio Version 1.08.00

Protocol Version 1337.18

ExtROM version 1.66.165

These have not been altered from when I bought my unit.

I'm using the latest PZP downloaded from this thread.

Ed
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Well I hope this doesn't come from PZP ...

If I am right there is no such problem reported with version 4.5.x ...

If you have more clues that let you know it comes from PZP let me know I will try to reproduce ...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Time Switch

I will try to answer all about the time feature.

Personnally I don't use time switch at all. I switch manually and that's all.

The main problem for the time, programmatically speaking, is to determine at which hour the PDA must be woke up.

So add a time switch with an hour for each day ... :shock:

All is possible but for now I think I will just finish as it is (Start/stop hour with day selection and the menu pop-up)

But if all of you think that the feature as suggest pocket me (with the selection of a start hour for each day) is the most usefull I will look for that for a next version.

So let's continue to discuss about to determine the best choice ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
The same settings as you can set using settings->Sounds & N§otifications
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Yes this was just a try. the system works now (I tested this week end, over night ...) Tune the button is easy. I just have to know what value you all will need.

Yes I'm looking to see how I can display it above PZP

Easy. Sleep only 6 hours by night as I do ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Re: Time Switch

I totally agree with you. I don't need really a timeschedule. In 99 Perzent, I switch manually.

For example, I don't know, when a Meeting starts, how long it really takes.

So the greatest advantage for me, is to change a profile with one tap.

For this PZP is now perfect for me. :D

The only thing I now use from the timeswitching is following:

At 23:00 my MDA switches completely to OFF.

At 06:15 my MDA switches to Radio ON.

It where usefull, when I could switch

Mo - Fr at 06:15 to ON

Sa at 09:00 to ON

and So at 10:00 to ON.

This is everything which I possibly still needs.

But I think it is to complicate to realize this over midnight.

PZP should be a Utility and not a "swiss knife" who could do all.

Next week I travel to Austria, so I couldn't read this forum.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Waiting to determine the best time switch solution I need you to tell me which default time (and how many) you want for the time switch menu :

10,30,60,120,190

20,40,60,150

..?

This is just for default.

I think I will add the possibility to configure durations for the time switch menu.

For now it seems to work well. I display now the menu over the plugin.

The size of the menu is the same as the plugin. The icons for the menus are customizable ... Just now I must know how many minutes buttons I put, which what duration ...

Thanks
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I think, by five entries:

15,30,60,120,180
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] cimber:
Re: Time Switch

Hi Avalon I fully agree with you ! In addition to that I think it would be hard to follow the different settings and one will loose the overview.

So my recommendation is - just make "time enable/disable" depending on certain weekdays. e.g. have "enable" from Mo-Fr and disable Sa/So.

What do you think.

Best regards aus münchen

cimber
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Or only two timesettings

One for weekday and one for weekend.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] cimber:
Would be too complex, all time-settings have to be done twice !!

e.g. I have 3 time-settings

22:00 - 5:45

12:00 - 13:30

17:00 - 20:00

At least for me it would be sufficient to have 3 time modes

ON

OFF

OFF during weekend

Regards

cimber
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Indeed, that would be enough, if there is room for more, then you could add 45 or so!

Don't know how many buttons are allowed!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tadzio:
Yes, that sounds very good.

Cheers

Daniel
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Pocket Me:
Time switch

Now, PZP has already time switch and it's working well. Thanks for that. I think time switch is useful for switching on/off the phone automatically to increasing life time of battery. Yes, it's really useful in this case, only. Evrybody don't need to turn off the phone evry night and turn it on evry morning manually. Thank God & Zendrui that we can do it now.

But now, we want to have day selection for time switch. If PZP has no this function, it's OK, but if there is this function in next version it should be practical.

Why do we need the day selection for time switch? Because almost evrybody want to switch a mode for weekdays with different time to weekend. Why different? Because we don't have to go to work in weekend so we want to turn on the phone later, maybe. So that, how can we do it with the day selection for time switch like the Zendrui's solution? Sorry, we can not.

My idea is not quite complex as your thinking. I give a general solution for each day but the "switch on" combo box may have only two value: "weekdays" and "weekend", that's all. It's more practical, I think so. That's my opinion, it's not like an user's requirement but a programmer's thinking.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Time switch

Your idea is very good, no problem about that. But before implementing a diffrent time switch we all have to discuss to be sure it is needed and if yes to choose the most rated solution ...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] cimber:
Re: Time switch

Hi Zen, for me its fine if the Time disabled/enabled would have a third option !

1. Time settings enabled [Mo] - [Fr]

2. Time settings disabled [Sa] - [Su]

3. Time settings disabled allways

Regards

cimber
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
How about a table based approach? Please see attached Excel file for a mockup. This maybe an overkill but would allow for any variations in how different individuals keep to different schedules... The numbers next to time slots indicate the active PZP mode you wish to have on that day & time. Just a thought...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Time switch

This will be possible with the current version I develop as the days can be selecte or unselected separatively.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
This will signify that I will have to wake up the PPC every 30 minutes.

Even if I don't turn on the screen, I don't know if it is good for the battery ..?

Moreover I don't think it will be possible to display all that on a screen no ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Here is what it looks like.

The width for the timeMenu icons will be limited to 34 (240/7 icons)

The height should be maximum as the height of the plugin.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Well no I tested with the same versions :(
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
This means that the problem with the squares in PZP with PocketWinc is fixed!

I also heard from a friend that he had still the same problems with PocketSkype, I still think that the version of PocketSkype is not that good! But he told me he had no problems with version 4.2
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Looks pretty nice! I think that that would do the trick which was asked for!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Zendrui, thanks for taking time to respond. I did not know you would have to wake up at every time interval. I was imagining the input on this screen would be translated to start / end times for each mode but then again you are the programmer and I am not. If the device has to wake up every 30 minutes surely this would not be good for the battery.

As for space on screen, I agree this looks like a monster. You could probably squeeze the 5 columns but then the rows would definitely overflow one screen and you would need to scroll up & down.

Enough reason to can the idea I guess... Thanks for listening anyways.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Yes In fact when the PPC is turned off, the todays plugin are also turned off :( So PZP determines in what hour wake up the PPC o switch mode then go back to sleep ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tadzio:
No, not at all. I think you also said something similar about my "graphical" idea. But both these ideas are only about inputting the data. Of course, once a user has input his/her modes, PZP will analyze the data and only set wake up events when there are real mode switches. When two adjacent cells have the same mode, PZP would be smart enough not to wake up.

It's a bit like the difference between an interpreting versus a compiling language... you were thinking about interpreting the data while time move along. This indeed woul necessitate a wake-up every thirty minutes. On the other hand, I was thinking about "compiling" the table's data once, when the user leaves the setup screen. Then PZP would have to set wakeup timers only for real mode switches.

Cheers

Daniel
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Urosh:
For XDAII

5 € for you throu Paypal.

I had to do it throu a frend of mine from Italy (Paypal doesn't take slovenian credit cards) :x !

I hope you will get the XDAII soon.

Regards,

Urosh
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tadzio:
Certainly looks cool. But what happens if I tap-and-hold a mode, then the time boxes appear and I still hold? You need to prevent activating a timer by that tap-and-hold event (as the user only meant to bring up the timer boxes, but not yet to activate one).

From a user's point of view, it would be better if the buttons appeared just below the PZP plug-in. This avoids the problem mentioned above. But I think this is a lot harder to program, because you need to write to some screen area that doesn't belong to PZP. Or am I wrong?

Cheers

Daniel
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Jeff:
Dear zendrui et al,

Great application!!! I have seen it really grow and your community welcomes all improvements that you strive to make. I would like to assist you in the Beta process as a tester on my Qtek 2020 and some of the new features that I have seen seem very exciting, the daily on/off schedueling etc. I have seen some of the pictures posted here in the forum and I am somewhat confused - could you please assist.

On page 60 of this forum 'Pocket Me' posted a picture of version 4.5 with the time settings feature and then you had posted a photo of version 4.9.1 on the same page... what version could I help you test and where would I be able to download 4.9.1 or 4.5 and not 4.5.1?

Thank you in advance for your help,

Jeff
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: For XDAII

Cool. Thank you.

Yes I agree with you but wow seems to be a big analysis ... but if this is the preferred solution I will think of it.

When you tap & hold the menu is displayed, and keeps alive 6 seconds. After If you don't click it desapears.

I can make the menu appears wherever it is the most usefull (above PZP, in the bottom of the screen, just below PZP ...) Let's just decide where is the most udsefull place ;)

the current version available is 4.5.1 with no day selection and no time switch menu. We are now discussing about the next verions 4.9.1 where I added time menu, day selection , sounds settings ...

I will post the version 4.9.1 for test just after this post ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Zen,

Another 5€ for you through Paypal. Hope you are getting closer to the XDA2. Thanks for all the hardwork!!!

Cheers

K
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Version 4.9.1

So here is the version 4.9.1 for tests

Note that this version 4.9.1 is

Time limited to 20/07/2004. Mode switchs won't be possible after this date.

This versions has

Corrections :

Import improved

Date correction (last day of the month) for the switch

Features :

Add sounds & Notifications Sounds settings

Now the save button save all the settings for a mode in one shot

The time switch menu. When tap & hold on an mode icon.

How works the time menu : You are in mode4 and want to switch to mode5 for 15minutes.

Just tap & hold mode5, the time menu is displayed click on the button 15.

You are now in mode5 and in 15 minutes you will come back to Mode4.

Time switch from the menu are independant on the time settings/start time/stop time/day selection.

To abort a time switch programmed from the menu, simply tap & hold any mode icon and click on the cross.

After 6 seconds if you don't select any duration the menu disapears.

Icon for the time are customizables with max width 34 (see examples)

(rename PocketZenPhone_4_9_1_Time_Limited.arm.zip in PocketZenPhone_4_9_1_Time_Limited.arm.CAB)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tadzio:
Re: For XDAII

Zendrui, being a professional programmer myself (if you have a recent Samsung phone, you may carry a bit of my code in your pocket), I can offer you to write the analysis part (not the graphical/excel part) for you. I am not familiar with WM2003 graphics programming, but data analysis would certainly not be a problem at all.

So, while we discuss the best way to input time switch data, let's assume the analysis implementation is not an issue. :-)

Yes. My concern was: you tap-and hold, the menu appears, you still hold, and the menu mis-interprets this as a new tap, and executes the button. But thinking about it, I guess I am wrong - there'll probably not be the right events from Windows to mis-interpret the ongoing hold.

Okay, one vote for "right below PZP" (and, if PZP happens to be at the very bottom of the screen because the user has some really big plug-ins, right above PZP). This has the advantage that the user can still see which mode s/he is trying to activate. :-)

Cheers

Daniel
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Re: Version 4.9.1

Hi Zen,

Think it is working really good right now!! No problems for now I think!

Why is it time limited? Because we have to buy one through handango?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Re: Version 4.9.1

Zenduri, if I tap and hold the menu comes up but if I change my mind and don't click anything or click the X my mode still changes to the mode I tap on, I thought if you did not make a selection it would revert back to the last mode, did I misunderstand this???
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Re: Version 4.9.1

The thing I understood is that it would indeed stil choose the mode, but no time interval! This is because I could like to choose a profile, but by an accident I tap and Hold, then I just can click X to get back from the menu, but still select the profile! That is most usefull I think!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Re: Version 4.9.1

[quote="j_metselaars- The thing I understood is that it would indeed stil choose the mode, but no time interval! This is because I could like to choose a profile, but by an accident I tap and Hold, then I just can click X to get back from the menu, but still select the profile! That is most usefull I think![/quote]

Thanks j_metselaars for the clarification - my misunderstanding. Also, please clarify the save button. Zenduri wrote that save is now global and would save all settings at once but if I make a change and try to go to another mode it requires me to save first (should it not let me set all modes then save???).
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Re: Version 4.9.1

Yes when you tap andhold it first change mode then ask if you want to switch back after n minutes.

Before you had to save each time you changed a notifiaction value because the save button read what was displayed on screen then saved.

Now you can configure all the notification (and other settings) for a mode and just save at the end. Less clicks ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Re: Version 4.9.1

Hi Zen, I have been testing your new version, but why isn't it working? When I Tap&Hold on a icon, then the menu comes up. After that I press 15 minutes, but after 15 minutes the profile I Tap & Hold is still working and after 20 minutes it still is! Better to say, I don't think it does switch at all! Am I the only one?