yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
It is not.

I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery. The first two "cycles" on my RMA unit I did that, no problems during either cycle, each cycle was three days long. So then I started to charge it when the battery said 1%, and now I'm up to 302 hours of uptime. There have been no shell reboots during this 302 hours, as I've always been sure to leave an app in "recently used" and its always still there. I've also been using things that previously I would not have, such as Maps, apps that run message in status bar such as "Date In Status Bar HD" etc etc.

But full tech-slanted disclaimer because I know the history of this problem:

-My problem on my original unit 99.9% of the time manifested its self as "sleep of death", a bit different than "the masses"

-On my RMA unit, I've never opened Chrome. Not because I am wanting to use it but avoiding it, rather I only ever want to use one browser per device, and since I need to use Boat for Flash, I run Boat instead

-Similarly, I have not done anything "trying to force a crash" on the unit. For example, I've not run that crash app that dude just posted to the Google thread

-Again related to my personality/thought process: My goal has been "just use the tablet as I normally would" so that DOES include things like surfing the web on Boat for 3 hours at a time, running some lame match-3 games, etc etc. I am NOT sitting in a class all day with the unit open for 8 hour stints, nor am I watching YouTube for hours at a time, nor am I taking 1 hour video recordings on the device. So moderate use, but not "stress testing" use.

Still, the summary of my experience says it all (for me) - Could not consider the original unit dependable in anyway, it almost always was "off" if it was sitting on my desk, whereas now the new unit has not had a single event and I'm about one month into it, every day use... Original unit I noticed the problem within the first 3 days of ownership, but I thought there was a setting I had wrong, then I thought it was a problem that 4.2.2 would fix - both those assessments of my original device were wrong.

One more data point on this - My new unit is the D serial number, my original was the C - but another user here described the EXACT same crap I was dealing with, and his was a D - so I don't think there is an exact match for the possible theory of serial numbers (again in the context of sleep-of-death-manifestation.)

:good:

~bm
[Nexus 10 General] hlaalu:
I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.

And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app. You need to take the time and figure out which app is causing it. It will be worth it in the long run!

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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.

I appreciate the input to the thread but (I'll probably get flamed for this) many of the anecdotal responses are not of much value IMHO. You can't really start any troubleshooting with and not trying to single anyone out, 4.2.2 fixed it, my RMA'd device fixed it, beta-chrome works for me, non-beta for the wife, it's hardware, newer ones are better, turn off location services, etc. I have an RMA'd device so it is newer than the first batch. To that point, there is a guy in the thread bigmatty linked where the device is 8 days old. Is it an app? I hope so but with the infrequency of the reboots or seemingly randomness of it it is hard to troubleshoot. AOKP ran for 2 days 9 hours for me then crashed, then crashed again in 5 hours, and now up for 2 days again so far. The thing is they were all when idle so it is really hard to say what happened. One of my logs suggests gtalk loosing connection and rebooting the tablet. The other says nothing "illegal" or anything like that in the logs. Just the activity manager freaks out like every other log and then watchdog kills everything.

So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please :D
[Nexus 10 General] hlaalu:
Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.

Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)

I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
[Nexus 10 General] hlaalu:
Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.

But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
[Nexus 10 General] hlaalu:
I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. I'm just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they are tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
:cyclops: I've read it all and done my own tests that span years... Even talked with former battery engineers about the topics and theories. My method always leaves my devices "more charged longer". Like I said, seen this battery topic drag on endlessly...
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
So where is that app list?
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
The odds seem so impossible that you personally would have got two defective devices, but clearly you have the tech chops to give a good assessment to the situation - I would love to see your experience with a third device... Just because each different physical device you test would keep exponentially increasing the odds.

A couple of the others who seem real in tune to this issue, I think have a hard or impossible return/RMA path, so I feel like it's an option not being that exhausted yet.

Well, I don't know that I am off much more help on this topic in general. I watched it so intensely for a couple months so its still got my interest. At the very least, guessing all the talks cab start again after klp is released!

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I'll do this for you later today. Like I was saying, I think you are Not crazy :highfive:
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Your quote of me made me think I was drunk when I wrote that. :silly:
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
Ha! :)

Ok, lucky for me my current apps list isnt too long. What this is is all the regular apps I'd want for a tablet from the Google Play store, plus a couple games from the free-app-of-the-day functionality via Amazon. Because Im not using my tablet as a phablet, my DROID4's list is a lot longer! I do have about 150 games stored from the Amazon FAOTD, over time I will add a bunch of these to the tablet, but right now my list includes some games I want to win first before loading up more.

Anyways:

-NO disabled internal 4.2.2 apps

-ALL apps always running any available update

-Only system default settings I remember changing are screen timeout=10 minutes, remove haptic and sound feedback from keypress

List Of My Apps (AAS = Amazon Appstore):

Adobe Flash Player 11.1 (loaded from APK)

Amazon Kindle

(Amazon) Appstore (loaded from APK)

Around The World In 80 Day Premium (from AAS)

Bard's Tale (w/HI REZ graphics)

Barometer

Battery Monitor Widget Pro

BMW Dodev icon pack (loaded from APK)

Boat Browser

Boat Browser License Key

CamScanner

DashClock Battery Extension

DashClock Widget

DashNet

Date In Status Bar Pro HD

Drive

Epic Citadel

ES File Explorer

Fancy Widgets

Fancy Widgets Unlocker

FF Dimensions

Final Fantasy III

Flickroid

Grudger (from AAS)

Kingsoft Office

LectureNotes (Trial Version)

Paper Camera

Smart Voice Recorder

Wunderlist

Keep me posted on your results (in any of your preferred threads :) )

Not that anyone should/probably cares ~exactly~ what I do w/ the batteries, but I want to add that once every 25(approx.) charges I will also perform a "bump charge" on the batteries. Those two things combine to form my He-man of battery theory. :P
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
I'm onto my 2nd device after a RMA.

Had the 1st one since the last week in January, totally stock, 4.2.2. and I think it had one random reboot. 2nd device, coming close to two weeks old and no random reboots (touch wood). Stock too.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
For those that want to contribute you can make it quick if you have root.

In Android terminal

ls -l /system/app

ls -l /data/app

Edit:Thanks bigmatty....so yea we pretty much have no common apps :D
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Any know if they are on 3rd batch yet? I. Had the first 2,want to RMA again when they produce a new batch. Having reboots on the first 2 serial number batches
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
Haven't heard of anyone gettinga third sequence from Google yet... Something on another thread made me think the ones being sold atWalmart and Staples(?) have a different set of sequences than Play store (from launch that is), but could not tell you for sure on that.
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
hey rxnelson - pretty sure I got a shell reboot last night! Not 100% sure, but pretty sure I got a shell reboot at 330 hours. My uptime didn't reset, but I didn't see anything left in 'recent' and then when I checked the time of running apps this AM, they were similar showing 18 hours up. When I would check these before, the "time up" was saying stuff like N3:34:23 (I am assuming they hard coded in only 2 digits to the hours part of that display?) Since my app listing I'd added Marvel Comics App (thanks SXSW!)

anyways, not exactly sure how that data point will integrate into your testing/plan, but figured I'd let you know! :) I'm now going to stop re-charging at 1% and go back to my method of letting the tablet fully drain, which will mean I am essentially resetting after approx. 72 hours.

~bm
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Thanks. Yes I got another idle reboot on Sunday so I bit the bullet and reinstalled 4.2 and upgraded through to 4.2.2. As of now I don't have any apps besides what came on the tablet installed. Your situation makes me curious as to how many people have rebooting tablets that don't know it. I mean if you don't watch the recent apps or have bootlog uptime installed you wouldn't know about these idle ones. The built in uptime doesn't seem to reset in these scenarios. Even you who are thinking about don't sound 100% sure. Imagine the casual person who hasn't seen the freeze and reboot probably wouldn't even think of it. "I thought I had chrome opened...maybe not." Moving on....
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
Yup, I agree 100% that a lot of people are probably having this/more issue than think they are. As you say, even someone like myself who's really been paying attention to it can be easily thrown off in my results. And just for examples sake, lets say that I would be considered a "light" user compared to others - does that mean I had to wait 330 hours for something that a heavy user would see after a much shorter time? Further add mystery to the issue by considering - what if I never changed my charge routine to actually get to 330 hours... If I would have been using the tablet with my normal battery method I would have never even seen the clock reach 330! :)

Well, no matter how you slice it - my original N10 was a turd. My new one's been awesome. If I would have started off with the one I have now, I would not have even ~suspected~ there was anything wrong w/ 4.2.x! Speaking for myself I'm glad I "kept at it" and did not just stick with that first unit. But again, my problem was the device was shutting its self off everytime I glanced at it sideways... :victory:

Keep me posted on your re-work of the install.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
3 days plus a few hours then it wouldn't wake. I didn't have a charger handy to see if it was off or just not responding. This was on all stock no apps. Now what?
[Nexus 10 General] bigmatty:
Ah man F that S! I really think you need the 2nd RMA / 3rd Device. What a horrible PITA I know, but hear me out:

-There are two main problem reports that I've been following, and I used to think they were one in the same, but...

-There is this "shell reboot" issue and then there is some other "power related issue"

-Yes, there are many discussions of the shell reset but only a few of the power thing. I know of only two other threads/people that really seemed to have the same experience my old one had

-Yours does exactly what my old one did, which is: will flash the LED, but unit is actually OFF as evidenced by plugging in the charger and INSTANTLY seeing the powered-off charge indicator

-When mine would crash, there was NEVER anything in ANY log, ANYWHERE (as if the battery had been "pulled")

-My old one would sleep of death all the time

-My new one = NO SoD, yes maybe a shell reboot after 330 hours up

I just really feel there is a "bad batch". Im not trying to fear monger or anything (I now love the N10!) Its just - that was what my experience was. I didn't notice it at first because the N10 is so much faster than my Droid4 that I thought it was some sort of sleep mode, not an actual reboot! LOL

It sounds like your unit has that "power related issue".

:eek:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] colonel.shepard:
Or a mod rather to add multiwindow for stock mb1?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sevenpioverthree:
Wait for mc3 to get pushed to your phone? :D

Sent from my SPH-L710
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sevenpioverthree:
You can try flashing the premium suite update via http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1910947(freeza's thread) and then flashing the mb1 modem, or maybe there's a simpler way and I'm just too tired to see it

Sent from my SPH-L710
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] rbalenbin:
If you have deodex stock mb1 see this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2186621
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slingswish:
Hi everyone, I root the phone and the i flash it to v20a after that i install CWM and flash it to CM10 nightly

use awhile just notice that my speaker is not working. is this normal ? i just wan to get the speaker work . No ringtone as well :(

and way i can install the driver for the speaker? oh ya i dont think i have the emergency mode anymore . How am i going to reflash back to stock next time ? :crying:
[General Questions and Answers] weihan09:
after taken picture, it cannot delete from gallery, everytime i press delete button when try to delete the picture inside gallery, it appear error message or something like "xxxx...no responding....", does anyone how to solve this problems? my goophone is 4gs 3G version. :(

Language provided is only Chinese Simplfied, Chinese Traditional and English, this problems appear when i choose to use english. I want to give it to my mum but my mum cant read chinese so i have to solve this problems.

Hopefully someone can help...=(
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Protogon:
I'm thinking about switching back to a Sense ROM for the battery life and camera, but I'll miss a few things from AOSP that I've gotten accustomed to.

Is it possible to have the 4.2 Lockscreen on a Sense ROM? I know the AOSP 4.1 lockscreen is available on some of them. Having DashClock notifications on the lockscreen makes life so much easier.

It's not possible to have the AOSP notification shade on a Sense ROM, is it?

Is there a way to get the AOSP Browser on a Sense ROM? It's the fastest and cleanest browser I've used on Android so far. I've tried pulling the APK from an AOSP ROM and pushing it to /system/, but that just causes the browser to FC when I try using it.

Can I add the CRT screen animation to a Sense ROM, or has HTC made that impossible?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] The_Zodiac:
Viper xl rom
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] a box of kittens:
Not the 4.22 lockscreen with widgets and such
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] area51avenger:
The answer to all your questions is no

Sent from my VENOMized HoxL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Protogon:
Is there any way to use DashClock on 4.1? Are there alternatives I can use instead?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] avishah5789:
I had the same issue. I tried using WidgetLocker to install it, but it did not work. Only reason I haven't gone back to ViperXL...that and the quick reply to text from notification shade. both features make life way too easy to give up
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] InflatedTitan:
Bpear has a damn close replica of aosp sense. REBELROM. Its fast and stable too.

Plus I'm trying my damnest to theme the settings page to mimic aosp. I feel like I'm getting close! :cross fingers:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galbatrox9:
Hey.

Well i just bought a USB JIG off ebay. When i tried it out, it took me to the Factory mode instead of the Download mode. but they looked exactly the same.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is in between those? Ive been searching on google, but i haven't got a good response yet.

Peace,

Sahil Bakshi
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glebun:
If they looked EXACTLY the same, how could you tell it's different?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Recovery is a screen with multiple options .

Download Mode has a Yellow triangle in the first window .

USB Recovery Jig does nothing on SGS3 bar boot to download mode .

jje
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galbatrox9:
Well basically all I can see from the appearance is yhat it doesn't say ODIN MODE and says FACTORY MODE.

Check the attachments.

Anyone figured out what the diff is??
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glebun:
the quality is too crappy to tell what it says but that definitely looks like download mode
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
I saw a similar post a couple of days ago with this exact same problem, where it said factory mode instead of download mode on the download screen....never heard of this before so it's a bit of a head scratch as to what it is or what the difference is
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galbatrox9:
sry for that. Used a old phone.

Um.. im worried here. Cuz im tempted to try the factory mode.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
Well personally I would go with that idea and give it a shot....but that's a decision only you can make ;)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galbatrox9:
Um.. now that would be he way to go, but im hoping for at least some info before hand on what it does or at least some info on the possible side effects
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
What are you trying to achieve ??

Why a Jig ???

looks exactly like a download mode second screen but cannot read the top left hand .

Custom rom installed .

Factory mode a guess its had SGS1 firmware/ recovery flashed .

jje
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galbatrox9:
Im trying to achieve knowledge :P

In the factory mode instead of ODIN on the top it says factory mode

Im just trying the jig out incase I cant acess download mode whol im bricked. .
[Android Apps and Games] nirav173:
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[HTC Wildfire S] mahesh48:
Mine Xperia revamped using data on wcdma preffered
[HTC Wildfire S] Kevinjoa:
Mine cavefirealpha4; 3g prefered mobike data and Wifi. Smartassv2 120-600 mhz . Also listened to music for around 2 hours with acid engine. I think this is pretty good.
[HTC Wildfire S] Kevinjoa:
Updated final:
[HTC Wildfire S] :
I suggest to add a screenshot or give the screen on and wifi on time as well. So like this:

ROM: SlimSanwich

Screen: 2h 54m

Wifi: 13h
[HTC Wildfire S] Olivier:
ROM: Marvellous CM10

Screen: 3h 45min

WiFi: 17h

3G/HSDPA: 7h

BUT as you can see at the graph, I charged my phone around while I had my lunch (13h) for half an hour.
[HTC Wildfire S] pargop:
ROM: CyanogeMod 10.1 [by OWL Project] for Wildfire S [Marvel]

On: 6h, 48 min
[HTC Wildfire S] HamzaLV:
Cm10.1 OWL Project v3
[Samsung Galaxy Gio GT-S5660] RaideN250:
Hello, recently(right now) I was eating a soup while watching a video... I know kind of stupid. And, I accidentally dropped my phone into it :D. So actually nothing happened, everything works fine, except one thing... my phone thinks I have headphones connected all the time when I'm not! The speakers wont work because this, only headphones work when I connect them. Please help me fast!:banghead:

Edit: I took a small wire and started moving it inside the headset port. When I keep it on the right the headset icon dissapears and it goes to speaker mode but as soon as I take it out it goes back :(. I even tried flashing another rom
[Samsung Galaxy Gio GT-S5660] DevWithCookies:
Thats a harwareproblem, the best solution i can suggest is to look for a rom (or app) that lets you switch the sounds output between headset and speaker. Something like a widget...