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[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
I'm looking for the category...

Yes.

Yes for my tests I added a sound. I can add it again.

Well I think that put 2 buttons on the left will break the symetric ... :?

But maybe I can add this feature on the time icon ? Set a third state for this icon (time switchs enabled, all time switchs disables, only outlook switch disabled)

So you click once it disable only outlook switchs, you click twice it disables all time switchs. Or disable the outlook switchs if you tap&hold time icon ?

Yes none signify that it doesn't look that. I must change None by another word ... well any idea ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Or perhaps the "wait" mouse cursor can occur while the update is taking place. Some may not like the sound option if PZP mode is set to silent...

Up to you of course but I find this confusing and insufficent. There may be times when you want both Time based switching & Outlook based switching to be off or on together or any combination. You could make symmettry by adding one new button to the left for this purpose and another one to the right to get updates from the calendar! How's that? ;-)

I see. Since None could mean when Category is left blank trigger Outlook based switching I think this is not a good choice of wording. How about N/A indicating "Not Applicable"? Just a thought.

Thanks for your replies. Sorry for hogging the forum and your time![/quote]
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
I aggree do want sounds too. I will look for the mouse cursor.

As always if all of you want this ok. Personnally I think it will make the plugin too full. I prefer the tap&hold on setting sicon for the outlook refresh and 3 icons for the time settings ... What the others think ?

Well why not N/A ... let's see if there are others proposition ...

Thank to you for testing and giving me your constructive feedback ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mvsmith07:
Mode switching works fine now.

Defintely agree needs a sound and/or a visual prompt to to identify a refresh is in progress.

At the moment I'm in agreement with zendrui on the button discussion. We haven't all that much room to play with. Having two buttons in a small space may make the icons unrecognisable and also result in pressing the wrong one I'm sure. However, I'm also unsure as to whether the press/long press/double press method is sufficient as confusion may happen here as well.

In an earlier suggestion from JaToAc you discounted an option of a drop-down menu in favour of the tap-and-hold. Perhaps the menu option might now be an ideal solution. Seeing what you are about to set might be preferred instead of remembering the number or length of presses for a desired option.

Love this app and I do hope that in a future release of Windows Mobile you are made a fantastic offer and this software is included as standard.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Hello Zen, any possibility of getting the categories list from the contacts instead of looking at Outlook, it seems to be using the same list. Just a dumb idea I have no clue which database it stores this information in.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mtbsoft:
Chance would be a fine thing but it would show up the rest of WM as being of the usual low standard that MS produce.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Hi,

Switching with Status works great, switching with categories doesn't work.

I have deleted appointments, now I have over 600 and I only have to wait < 5 Seconds. It's good enough.

I think a waitpointer would be the best. He is simple to realize and I notice the end of searching appointments.

I think a fourth state for the Icon on the left side would be the best (all time switchs enabled, all time switchs disables, only outlook switch disabled, all time switches and outlook disabled) or leave it like it is. Because I can deactivate Outlook in the settings.

For the outlookseetings, I think would be better, you make two radiobuttons.

Switch to ... when

Radiobutton Status is ...

Radiobutton Category is ...

Because as this time you can select both.

@Iggy

Categories are saved in the systemdatebase 'Databases\Categories Database'.

Does anybody know, how Zen could read in the Systemdatabases?

I don't find a way.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
- I think I found a way to reduce the time of the outlook refresh. Just have to look and test in details.

- I added a wait cursor when the refresh is running.

- I will look in details how to open the category databases to get the categories.

- I think that if it is really needed to have a shortcut to disbale outlook switch, I will a 3 time icon states (all switchs enabled, all disabled, only outlook switchs disabled)

- I chnaged None by N/A and will look the switch depending on categories (as it works for me ...)

... to be continued ...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
I agree with avalon-99 on points 1&2.

Thanks avalon-99 on setting me straight on the database (I had thought this but have not used a database viewer in a while so could not confirm it. Just one question, if it stores it in a systemdatabase would it not be read only (are they not in ROM)????

Also has anyone tried the outlook switch from a flight mode profile. I have one profile that puts me in flight mode while I am in the underground (I am hoping this conserves battery because the phone is not searching for a network the entire time). I tested outlook switch in other modes and it switches but when in Flight mode the same appt. does not switch but time switch works fine in and out of flight mode.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] lfaustino:
Import/Export

Hello,

I'm testing the 4.9.3 version. Nothing happens when I try to export my settings, but this should have nothing to do with this version, since I tried with the free version, and noting happend either.

My own a Qtek 2020 with 1.72 Rom.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] BRosenow:
You may think that nothing has happened, but my suspicion is that it has actually created the settings export file without your knowledge . . . there is no feedback that the file has been created.

Take a look in \Program Files\PocketZenPhone and see if there are PocketZenModeX.txt files (where X is the mode number). I'll bet the ones you exported are there.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] lfaustino:
You're right, they are there. Thanks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
I think its very fast. Does not bother me with my 500 item calendar.

Hmmmm... Maybe the update is so fast I do not see this! ;-) The wait cursor does not show up on my side!

Now that you put it clearly I think this is great and will do the job! Can you make the icons of the 3 state a little more obvious? Its quite hard to see even the current two state button detail...

Still seeing None... Ooops, does that mean I do not have the latest? Did you update the link on page 70? I wish you gave your minor beta increments a number iteration too so we could be sure.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mvsmith07:
[quote="k_kirkOoops, does that mean I do not have the latest? Did you update the link on page 70? I wish you gave your minor beta increments a number iteration too so we could be sure.[/quote]

Don't think zendrui has had time to post the next iteration with the updates that have been mentioned. I'm sure it will be here soon.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
You can read it with dbview

http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=152

But I don't know how it works.

Same by me.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mtbsoft:
I'm still not seeing the correct Categories in the category combo. I'm currently seeing...

Chris, Holiday

Birthday

Birthday

Family, Overseas

None

I have about twenty categories which are used in combinations, sometimes as many as four on an item.

As for the enabling/disabling of time vs. outlook switching, a four state toggle (off/off, off/on, on/off, on/on) using the icon at the left would work for me but I think it would also be useful to be able to set which has the priority if both are enabled and there is conflict - a simple check box on the Outlook settings screen.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
A old bug is back by my PZP.

The Bluetoothicons disappears after a softreset.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Upon re-reading zendrui's message I see you are right! Thanks for setting me right. Too eager that's all... :-)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
I think this is an excellent idea!!! Priority will always be different for different people. I am sure its a challenge in coding the algorithm but then again if anyone can do it surely thats zendrui!!!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
@k_kirk : I added the cursor... in the version I develop but I didn't release it ;)

Every time I release a new one I delete the old (but I increased the last number in the settings page)

Ok so don't tell my boss ;) but I took 10 minutes to look and I found the way to get the categories from the databases. Works perfect for me ;) Should be as fast as speedy gonzales :P

The cursor doesn't appear for me as it is to fast to refresh.

I also reduce the refresh time.

Think it will take less than some milliseconds even if you have 500 appointments (avalon99 will confirm that)

BT icon is still here for me.

I will test outlook switch from a radio off mode to a radio on mode...

After that if the speed is ok I will look for 3/4 time icons stated and the switch priorities...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Man, you are a godsend to the PPC software market.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Can we clone him??? :-)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Lol don't tell me you want me like Dolly the sheep :wink:

Okay so here is the 4.9.3.1 (verison displayed in the settings page)

Time switch now works from a radio off mode to radio on mode

It includes the speed optimizations

The categories are retrieved in the databases ...

I tested some swtich ... and will test it more deeply but as you seem to be enough brave I post it ;)

(rename the .zip in .cab)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
This is looking good after the first 30 seconds. I can see the categories loaded. I also see N/A... Suggest forcing this to show up first in the drop down. I also note that after importing the settings the name of the mode does not show in the Outlook switch to drop down but rather Mode 1, 2, 3 etc show up. Once a mode is set and after reloading settings the normal wording for the modes show up there. I still don't see the wait icon but perhaps thats because its too fast. Anyways, as long as refresh is happenning I don't really care for the cursor... All in all, good work! Ready to hit the sack and prepare for the day ahead. lots of appointments in the calendar so by the time you wake up for your Friday I should have some more feedback!!! Thanks once again.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Tekguru:
Zen, tried the 4.9.3 build on top of 4.3.1 last night and on trying to enter the plugin's options I got a total lock up - so in the end had to go back to the older version.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
Congratulations, perfect work!!! :D :D :D

I test Status and Categories.

I see all my Categories. When I set a status and a Category - both work and switches to meeting.

It's fast like Speedy Gonzales and a Ferrari together, with 585 Appointments. :)

I saw only once the waitcursor!

Switch from a radio off mode to a radio on mode works fine.

I will test it further.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Hello Zen, categories work fine, but unfortunately no outlook switching is working.

i.e. status alone, status and category, category alone.

CORRECTION Zen, you're the greatest. Works fine, my profiles got messed up, reimported and it works. Thanks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] talisim:
Hi everybody,

As a registred user for the fullversion, where can I find the last release (v4.9.3.1) to download and install it ?

Thank's a lot and good job to Zendrui.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] iggy:
Hello Talisim, On the previous page (71).

Zen, the switch works but not quite automatic. Seems I need to tap&hold the setting switch to activate the outlook switch but after switching back (sometimes this does not work) it does not reset autotime switch.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] edsub:
Zendrui,

Now that I have my MDAII all up & running 1.72 rom, I donated you the 8 euros in order to use the 'commercial version of PZP.

An option I would like to have is to have the MDA switch to a mode (ie car mode) when my MDA is placed in the carkit . . .
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Great idea! I second the Radio use of buttons. This would make it crystal clear. The unselected drop down should also ideally be grayed out and become unresponsive.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I love your Program, it works fine at my german MDAII.

I can't find the notifs:

6 = Flash and Vibrate

7 = Ring and Flash and Vibrate

11 = Ring and Vibrate and Display

12 = Flash and Display

13 = Ring and Flash and Display

Is it posible to add

Ring and Flash and Display

this is my favourite one
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Yes why not ? This could be a good option... but I will wait that the version 3.0 is validated before adding features
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Yes I cna do it ;) I will check that tomorrow
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] JaToAc:
now with five buttons...

you can download it here

i just did one without any symbol, you can add what you like.

@zendrui: is it possible to add the possibilty to assign one of the modes with a radio on/off function or bluetooth on/off (headset). this would make things even easier...

thank you for your great program...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] egypt123:
I guess I'm an idiot, but what is the difference between "Flash" and "Display"? When call comes in see a bubble image there notifiying me I have an incoming call. Which one is that one? :oops:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Flash makes the led to flash every 1sec (whereas in normal mode it flashs every 3sec)

But I tried the Flash ring mode (without display) seems not to work and turn on the screen... I will see that but as it is not a standard mode to flash as a ring mode maybe it is not well supported ???
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
That is display! Flash is that the backlight is flashing...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] john_robot:
Hi,

I made some icons for Version 3.0.

Download in the next posting.

cu

John
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] john_robot:
here we go ;)
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] rc:
i beleive this will fit in with the default options set by the program correct i mean numbered for the default modes.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Hi,

I changed the icons posted before on the topic with the speakers.... Made 5 of them right now.

Unfortunatelly I dont't have a screendump of them already, but I will try as soon as possible, or maybe someone else?? Pictures are added at next post!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] j_metselaars:
Here is the picture of the icons when they are checked. Unchecked they are faded black....
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Biso007:
Re: version 3.0

Hi Zen,

this s/w is a killer for the commercial competitors ;) ... wonder ful job!!!

one more idea for v4.0 ... most of us will love this s/w but may be stuck with many plug-ins on such small screen. Can you make a sys-tray version that will display the icon of the active mode and to display a menu of modes upon pressed on ?

ok ok .. I know I'm gready :)

thx too to john-robot for the nice icons
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] echapeta:
Congratulations to Zen again !!!!

great job !!!!!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] danielalvers:
A couple of problems...

Initial Load

1. Uninstalled v2.6

2. Loaded new '5 little men' icons

3. Installed v3.0

4. Opened Settings - Today

5. Clicked 'Options'

6. PocketZenPhone settings dialog opened

Problem: The settings dialog was completely empty and could not be dismissed when clicking the close X.

Fix: Soft reset the XDAii

Volume Sliders

Problem: Which direction is Loud?

Fix???: Add a '+' & '-' sign to each end of the slider
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] danielalvers:
Mode 1

1. Today Settings - PocketZenPhone Options

2. Reselect Mode 1

3. Change volume sliders

4. Click save

Problem: Changes to Mode 1 volume settings do not take affect

Fix: Change a Notif at the same time seems to cause settings to take affect

Active Profile

1. Today Settings - PocketZenPhone Options

2. Make any changes to the setting

Problem: After changing the settings Mode 2 is always enabled

Fix???: Have the active profile remain selected after settings change.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] ianp:
Just trying this out and notice:

1. :cry: Even if I just go to Today SETTINGS and return without changing anything, current mode switches to Mode-2 when I return to the Today screen.

2. :D Seems to work alongside MTUX RingtoneX to give both customized ringtones and easily modified ring characteristics at the same time.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Yes It is choice I have to made. If we want the mode 2 selected when we soft-reset I have to initizialiqse mode 2 when the plug in is loaded. And in fact when you go to the settings of a today plug in then quit it relaods the plug in (and so put the mode 2 again).

I do'nt feel this very good so I'm looking to save the last mode used and restore it even after a soft reset
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
:shock: I will check that.

Loud is in the right :wink:
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
I think that for mode 1 you have a ring mode such a vibrate ... and so even if you put a value to the phone volume when you select mode1 the phone volume is 0. It is the Wince OS who do that ...

Are you aggree with that ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Ok. I know I am pushing things here and normally it would be very unlikely to have some of the situations I have simulated but I feel it is important to push PZP to its limits in this new area so that its rock solid and capabilities/design constraints are fully understood. Thanks for bearing with me all fellow forum members and Zendrui of course...

Prioritization of tap & hold vs time based switching

I have a time based switch to silent mode at midnight (Well, 23:55 actually...). At 23:50 tapped Mode 5 which is my loudest mode. I then tapped & held Mode 4 and chose 15. The test was to see what would happen at 00:05 when the 15 minute tap & hold period expired... It was expected that PZP would switch to silent mode (mode 2 in my case) but this did not happen. Instead it switched to Mode 5 which was the mode active prior to the tap & hold event. I think we chewed this around a little so I won't say more but I think it is important that upon switching back from a tap & hold PZP checks to see if there is a Outlook event to switch accordingly or if there is a time based switch that should be obeyed...

Outlook based switching post meeting start time...

I set a 9:30 to 9:35 meeting on desktop & synchronize at 9:31. I forced an Outlook update by tap & hold settings button method but PZP does not switch to silent mode. Outlook switch does not seem to be occurring if the Outlook update is after meeting start time. IMHO, if now > meeting start time and PZP finds out that there is a meeting then switch should still occur. Better late than never.

Similarly to the first test case, I tested to see what happens after tap & hold in relation to Outlook switching. To do this at 10:39 I tapped Mode 5 which is my loudest mode. I then tapped & held Mode 4 and chose 30. This meant tap & hold would expire at 11:09 and normal behaviour would be to goto originating mode which was mode 5 (loud!). Previous to all this, I had a meeting set in my Outlook to start at 11:00 with busy status though. Therefore expectation would be that PZP obeys the tap & hold till 11:09 but then discovers that there is an Outlook meeting and switch accordingly. This did not happen. PZP switched back to Mode 5 at 11:09.

Hope I don't sound too critical here which certainly not the intention. Thanks for all the hardwork & determination in making what is already a great product even better!!! Cheers.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I think, now it's better, when I activate both, PZP will switch by Category and Status
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] mtbsoft:
Sounds like you're suggesting that PZP should almost stack automatic events in a push-pop type method whenever an automated switch/switch back occurs during another, with a manual switch clearing the stack.

e.g. if we're at 'X' in time

Auto switch 1 -> 'X' -> end switch 1

...then, when auto switch 2 occurs before switch 1 finished, it becomes...

Auto switch 1 -> Auto switch 2 -> 'X' -> end switch 2 -> end switch 1

...and so on. Make sense? This way, when any switch finishes, it can check the next down the stack and if that time has been reached or passed, it triggers that switch back too. This ensures that the most recent event takes precident

It would be important that a manual switch (not a press and hold which has a switch back associated with it) or a change of settings, etc. would clear the stack or you could never manually switch control without it taking over immediately after!
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I think it's logically, because Mode5 was the last Mode, before you tap&hold, and PZP goes to the last mode.

I think, this couldn't work, when startime is gone, it's to late to synchronize

OK, Zen must decide, should Outlook or Tap&Hold have the highest priority.

I think Tap&Hold must have the highest priority. Because you make it manually.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Oh, does it do that? I did not test this option and assumed it was not working. Agree this is the best option.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
I agree its logical but the question is whether its practical...

Not talking about syncronization here. The meeting is already on the device. The question is if outlook update for PZP (the one that happens when you tap & hold settings button) occurs after the meeting start time should PZP still honor the outlook switch.

I think we are both saying the same thing. Tap&Hold must have the highest priority. Question is what happens when you return from Tap&Hold...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] k_kirk:
Yup. Great way of putting it. Almost like maintanining a list of actions to take next which gets updated on an ongoing basis rather than executing a very complex logical decision tree each time something happens... Thanks for clarifying.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
:( Will see if I find something wrong ... do you ahve appointments on your XDA2 ?

This is normal. If you set an appointment you have to tap&hold settings icon t take it in account.

What do you mean by 'it does not reset autotime switch' ?

Ok I will add the radio button.

And so when you will activate both it will switch only if status and category match.

No it is too cool. The tests you made :shock: . Very usefull and clear. Thank for this :D

My question is why didn't you tap mode2 then tap&hold mode4 for 15 ? As it when you were at 00:05 you were come back to mode2 as it should happen with automatic switch ..?

I personnally think that use tap&hold to set a duration is to override other automatic swtichs. So I feel easy to think to the mode we want after the end of duration...

But this my idea and as I not use very much time switchs I will do as the majority think ...

This couldn't work sorry. All switchs works with the exact hour. At xx:xx it switchs.

I know that all automatic will be very cool, but for this I also think that it is easy to click on the meeting mode after the synchronization as you know that the meetings is still running ...

No really thank to you, your cases are very clear. Let's see what the others think about all that

My feeling is that one. If you don't touch anything it switchs as programmed. If you tap&hold you know thazt it will override program switchs that should have happen during this duration and so you have to think of the mode will when the duration will end.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Avalon-99:
I mean, leave it like it is now.

When I activate both, it's not a 'AND' then a 'OR' queries.

It will switch when Categories matches and it will switch when Status matches.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] zendrui:
Well yes ok ;)

If you check the status it will check that the status matchs

If you check the category it will check that the category matchs

If you check both it will check that both match[/i]