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[Galaxy S 4 General] sohebq:
Let the htc one and xperia z come in the hands and lets resume the dog fight then, you will see how many people will be disappointed and would be willing to shift to s4. S4 is still miles ahead of competition so giving an excuse for not buying an s4 just bcz its plastic is not fair. Yes samsung could have done better but I am still happy with the improvemens they made.

sent from: The New S-Pen :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
Only back cover is polycarbonate. Front is all Gorilla Glass 3, which is better or to say sturdier than One and Z. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
that's is sexy! What exactly do you have on it?
[Galaxy S 4 General] 4ktvs:
How about we want a carbon fiber phone dang it. That's the only upgrade I would like, I don't want metal that dings or blocks signal thank you very much.
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
You and who else? :)

As for carbon fiber, that would be nice, but since once again it would increase the price, I just don't see a need for it...

Who the hell created obsession with battery cover as a main standard for whether something is premium and high quality. Other components are much more important (like screen, which u look at all the time; battery, ram, cpu, thermal insulation...). As a matter of fact until few years ago I loved Nokia E series, which had legendary build quality. Still I would never change my current phone for Nokia's back cover metal plate. Like there is so much more to phone than that (which is probably the least important).

Do you really look at your phone's back cover all the time?? These arguments of material used for back cover reminds me much on having a debate with fruit-company fans. Not really competitive on other (more) relevant fields or what?

Here, this is premium and without plastic, so be really cool (way cooler than me with polycarbonate and others with beer can material on the back) and buy one of these :)

http://expressivelyme.blogspot.com/2013/01/top-10-most-expensive-phones-in-world.html?m=1
[Galaxy S 4 General] androidkking:
its already quite expensive. I wouldnt mind giving up 1 or 2 mm thickness for an even larger battery, but i am more than happy with the polycarbonate. sacrificing about a 100 dollars for aluminium casing... uuhhh i dont think so.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
No, I have a awesome cover on my phone
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
Like?
[Galaxy S 4 General] sxi200:
Personally it doesn't bother me as I have a strange habit of staring at the screen, not the back cover.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JasonJoel:
I wouldn't pay a nickel extra for an aluminum version. I like the plastic versions just fine.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jameslfc5:
The S4 is already a ****ing premium! I was going to buy one SIM FREE thinking it'd be £530, but at nearly £600 they can go whistle for it
[Galaxy S 4 General] Closed Source Project:
What if I told you, you don't know how to make memes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bagbug:
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

People need to get a life, like Mr McGuire did:

Mr. McGuire: I want to say one word to you. Just one word.

Benjamin: Yes, sir.

Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?

Benjamin: Yes, I am.

Mr. McGuire: Plastics.

Benjamin: Exactly how do you mean?

Mr. McGuire: There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?

The Graduate - Plactics: http://youtu.be/CsrLHP26zvk

Its just a phone, wake up everyone !
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
Why do you guys always call off contract phone sim free? It's confusing
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
Just guessing: Because you get the phone without a sim and it is therefore up to you to insert any operator's SIM you want. The phone is not locked. In EU phones can no longer be locked to certain operator, but I guess phrase remained...
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
It is a Sweet-armor gs2 and a generic aluminium battery cover for the Galaxy S2. But since the aluminium back cover is scrappy now, I have a carbon fiber one in its place.

EDIT: I didn't buy the armor for $72, but $16.99 instead. I was lucky and found one on eBay, but sadly it isn't for sale anymore. The one I got is probably not a genuine 'Sweet Armor', but it's real aluminium, curvier than the one on the site and doesn't have the awkward corner cutout (for Korean GS2s that have retractable TV antennas), so it's good for international models.

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Now getting back on topic, I believe consumers are making too big of a deal about this. So what if it's plastic? It works, and still sold more than the iPhone or any HTC phone, didn't it? Samsung can't cater for all of the market, so they were smart and went with the majority. Plastic is good because it's cellular-friendly, and doesn't deform permanently. I've seen iPhone 5 chassis bent outwards due to being sat on and iPads dropped, causing the corner to dent and cracking the glass.

The only successful metal chassis phone in my opinion was the iPhone 4 and 4S. Stainless steel is the only material that is strong enough for daily use, and has very high rigidity. Scratches also aren't as bad, because of its hardness. It looks much better, too, because it only ends up looking like brushed stainless steel.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlackFire27:
If I wanted a durable phone I would've bought something fromm Motorola anyways. Probably my bad luck but anything with the word Samsung on it tends to break on me within weeks.

Sent from my Motorola XPRT
[Galaxy S 4 General] TheCoCo3133:
Does it matter really.... I mean you never see a iPhone you see the $50+ otterbox case on it.

Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
Actually, I do. Sometimes they're Survivors or Lifeproofs.

Come to think of it, almost all smartphone owners will invest in a nice phone case to protect the phone. Even iPhone owners are becoming smarter, and getting those protective cases to cover up the precious aluminium construction. With a plastic phone, you can either use it as is, or get a case+screen protector. Getting a case for a plastic phone is lighter and less bulky than getting one for a metal phone. You can even get an aluminium case, like I did!
[Galaxy S 4 General] xinemdungkhoc21:
Game Android 2013: Asphalt 7 - đồ họa 3D đẹp mắt

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[Galaxy S 4 General] raaj313:
Will be a new marketing stunt. But I don't think it's going to happen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Saturny:
+1

I don't care if it's plastic or aluminium. As long as I can remove the battery and have a SD card slot, I'm good :D

To quote someone on the S4 forum (I forgot who):
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
The thing is there are many types of consumers. One of those types consider a fancy smartphone to be a fashion accessory and a social status. It's the same with headphones. There are real headphones that produce nice sound and are reasonably priced. Then there's Beats, Souls and Skullcandy which look good and people know in an instant you have swag but in fact are blinded by outward appearance and marketing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DiamondJay20:
absolutely not, because most smartphones really need a case anyway, and I hear aluminum hurts signal.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Saturny:
A sad, but true fact. If I had that type of money to blow, I'd use it to pay bills & buy food, not a "fancy" accessory. Most of that stuff is overhyped anyways.

BTW, you forgot to include Apple in there ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] JasonJoel:
Disagree there... I hate cases on phones, and many people I know don't use cases.

I think aluminum is dumb on a phone, would rather have a soft touch plastic. But each to their own.
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
More money for less features?

Sounds like an apple thing to do

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[Galaxy S 4 General] boodies:
Fantasic Plastic!
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: Would you pay a premium for an Aluminum version of the Galaxy S4?

How about gold or platinum? ;)

I think the word "premium" is euphemism for "chic but crappy"!

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] slpaige:
No, I wouldn't pay a premium for an aluminum s4/s5/.... If that was what they released, then I'd get it, but not at an inflated price point. I could care less whether it's plastic or not. :cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
There's "good" plastic.

And there's "scary" plastic.

What's on the outside doesn't change (but can cause) what's on the inside. But, like Mamma always said, "it's what's on the inside that counts". ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
What phone is that?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Oppo Find 5. Anyone who thinks it's what's on the outside that counts (the Oppo's a good looking phone) should read this.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39655863&postcount=4
[Galaxy S 4 General] richtoyz:
would i still get the removable back for access to battery and micro sd card? seems to me the phones people keep comparing with the metal back don't offer that. so if you are asking me to give up the Samsung feature in exchange, that that would be a resounding NO
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Ouch. So besides the nice build quality and the loud speakers the phone isn't that great? Not worth it. Touchwiz would have made it a winner.
[Galaxy S 4 General] osmosizzz:
Software needs serious work. We were all hoping devs jumped on the phone for the hardware to price ratio to get custom rooms going but we have a very small amount of devs :/

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Well that's the thing. We want premium feeling device but aluminum weakens signal. And we are tired of plastic. Rubber phone anyone? We have to compromise. We win some, lose some. I'd prefer plastic. I'm in Jersey and during the winter, placing metal on your face is not fun when it's cold. Or placing hot metal on your face ain't fun either
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
There's only one you know. The iP5 isn't a unibody. Here's what happens when energy created in a drop has no way to dissipate. The unibody warps.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I'm actually quite happy that the S4 still uses plastic. If it was aluminum, i would definitely have scratched the hell out of it cause i don't use cases on my phone unless i really have to ( nexus 4) and it bothers me. Not to say that aluminumm phones are bad, they just aren't for me. When i had my iphone 5, i scratched the hell out of it. I don't remember scratching my S2, S3 or note 2 and i didn't use any cases for any of those phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] oman555:
I don't mind the plastic build of s4. What i don't like about it is it's too glossy. Hope they make a phone with the plastic back with the one on nexus 10 or 7. Plastic but feels like rubber.
[Galaxy S 4 General] onlinejobwork:
Imagine plastic looking no look phone selling like hotcake than how much they can sell if they dump the plastic and adopt premium material ? Do u think iPhone can be so successful without premium design? Samsung sells more than expected plastic S3 so he would think let's do it another time with plastic as people still love plastic if not true than people have to stop buying plastic phone so company will realize that its time to change the design to premium

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Non premium plastic material for £500 not a worth for hard earn money plastic are very cheap and most material used in S4 are Samsung's own made as price needs to be cheaper as overall cost comparing to premium material phone are less its actually Galaxy S3s not S4 I have big hope this time on S4 and I would thinking I will return my HTC one if it release to beat it but my one is far more superior and I'm round of it

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Its more important how many S3 owner can buy S3s?? I am not buying for tons of things inside but plastic and almost same mould
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
iPhone will sell like pancakes even if it is made of mud.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marcowang:
I will buy S4, no matter what kind of case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] legion1911:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
I hope you get banned forever

ontopic:

Why should i spend more if i can get the same (aluminum) for less money on the htc one?
[Galaxy S 4 General] wildfiregt:
So you're telling that you would go for a phone only because of its material ?

Anyway you can still get on ebay an aluminum back cover the S4 for around 10 bucks. I don't see why people bother about that
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
This is not something Samsung has on the books this is purely speculative and were talking about the s5 not s4 so assuming HTC is still in business by that time the phone they'll be up against would be whatever flagship they have then not the HTC one and your assuming that would be aluminum also and your also assuming that it would cost less

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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
no, i´ll go for it cause of superior materials, buildquality and look.

Samsung had prototyps with a metal frame and better display. But they want more profit, so they decided to go with the cheap variant. Most costumer wont notice anyway. But i do.

The question was: Would I be okay with spending even more money for an s4 aluminum version. My answer: NO! Cause even the plastic version is more expensiv then the aluminum htc one. Samsung could easily do an alu phone. But then the profit wouldnt be as big as with the cheap plastic variant
[Galaxy S 4 General] Plain Water:
Aluminium Version

I like the current design now, but i would like a lighter phone(like the iphone5's weight) and i like the feel of the HTC One X polycarbonate. just wish sammy would change their future phone cover material to polycarbonate
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
why shoudl I get the HTC one when I get a aluminum crowbar for much less.
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
Aluminum phone with removable battery?

They can easily do that?

How?

Keep in mind the point of removable battery isn't just the switching batteries but also using alternative larger battery packs also proper force displacement

easier manufacturing I.e no supply issues like HTC are having

And they could easily do that? Well somebody better get a memo over to HTC because apparently the things they can't do are easy

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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Like its the same ;) Aluminum unibody vs aluminum cover. The One also has aluminum parts on the front (not part of the unibody). It just looks and feels much more premium. And thats not just me who see it that way. Look at the early reviews of the s4. The s4 is a good phone with a cheap look and feel.

I think polycarbonat phones can feel and look good. Best example: The one x / x+ (+some nokias) with their rubber-like feel.

I just dont like the glossy plastic look and feel. But that is MY point of view.
[Galaxy S 4 General] r1sh12:
This whole argument is kind of pointless I think.

Yes - the HTC One is the best looking phone in a long time, and people talk about build quality

But if the phone lands front side (after a drop) any/most screens are going to be damaged one way or another.

So where does the build quality argument go?

I judge a build quality of a phone by its weakest component and for most touch screens its the screen itself.

I havent seen any drop tests (As unscientific as they are) of the One but I am sure the screen will be similarly damaged to any other drop test.

Does the metal case not personify any vibration throughout the phone?

Lets not forget aluminium has less tensile strength than bamboo (Seriously LOL), so if the phone was made of bamboo would we be talking about build quality?

Feeling expensive and actually being expensive are two very different things,
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
Well i dont know about you but i am buying sg4 even if i have and had sg3. I first was hooked on htc one and if it came out when it said it will come out, i might even had it by now. But no, they didnt come out as expected and i am hearing flaws of htc one and also saw sg4. I have to tell you i am sold. I am buying sg4 purely for its slimmer, thinner design with higher display and superior hardware. I am still unsure about display qualitu but most reviews are positive despite the fact that they are still pentile, upgraded pentile.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Samsung focused on features while HTC focused on desgin. You're right. Samsung's obviously made a huge mistake in not following HTC. I'm sure they'll correct it with the SGS5. :rolleyes:

Yes. The iPad Mini has a crappy display and is exceeding Apple's sales projections.

Buy what makes you happy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
Form follows function

S4 is by definition, more beautiful than HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Zeussa:
My Galaxy should have been totalled !

Any METAL would be way cool... BUT I wouldn't see it.

I also have seen lot's of broken/cracked screens.

I wouldn't see it because I have a double insulated shock/shatter poof case (Casemate)

I have dropped my S3 already onto tiled floors from full height and above MAYBE 6 TIMES with this case... still NO DAMAGE !! :)

My Galaxy should have been totalled. So I'm awsumly happy and amazed my precious Galaxy is going just dandy. :laugh:

So NO. I don't trust myself without ANY protection around the edges of that screen face.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Good point actually. Is a smartphone a tool used to accomplish things or is it a fashion accessory? If it's a fashion accessory the One and XZ should topple Samsung's sales leadership this year. If it's a tool people use to do things than how well it does those things should make the SGS4 Samsung's most successful device yet.The fact that the One deforms when dropped and has the lowest reparability score of any phone ever released is the poster child of form being the only thing that matters.

For One owners. This isn't a thread to make you feel better about your purchase of a device from a company that, based on historical financial performance, won't look like it currently does next year. This year, the One's beautiful (wasn't the One X?) and Samsung's piled on more features. If history repeats itself HTC’s sales will continue to decline and Samsung’s will accelerate. Your argument about the importance of design would be a lot more credible if HTC who's always focused on design (Sensation, One X) were more successful. So far, the phone's that do "stuff" outsell the "pretty" ones about 10:1. If that changes this year, feel free to come back and say I told you so. It's a little early to celebrate the One's success when HTC can't even build them to get them on the shelves before the plastic phone arrives with its $12B marketing campaign. 2013’s going to look exactly like 2012. The pretty phone will be admired and the practical feature-rich phone will fly off the shelves.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
I'm not quite sure why you have made it your goal to discredit htc Barry. Samsung's growth rate isn't necessarily good for consumers. Having four or five healthy high end android smart phone manufacturers is a good thing. Competition will create innovative products.

Samsung is flirting with the idea of a different operating system entirely as we all know. This has all been made possible by having an open source to work with provided by Google. I understand brand loyalty but the amount of hatred and just plain disinformation being put out by forum users to discredit htc has been bizarre.

People have literally opened troll accounts to say they have received

defective htc ones.

The s4 will be successful I can assure you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djq:
i would love to see a lightweight aluminum body on the next galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] legion1911:
Correct. FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION.

It is a Smartphone!

Buy a gold bar and melt it into any form you like and nano-polish it if you want precious material and premium feeling.

Samsung should simply produce a second cover version, in carbon with Swarovsky crystals and gold inlays.

They will, probably.... Look at the Galaxy SII Crystal edition with Swarovsky crystals.

But do not be surprised if the Smartphone weight increases significantly because of your need for premium materials and premium feel.

:cowboy:

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Do not touch Barry. He is not discrediting HTC. He is writing the truth!

I would like to know what all these HTC fansboys are doing in the Samsung Galaxy S4 forum lately. It is full of them lately. They come here and bringing up the HTC One all the time.

The HTC One sucks! Bad quality. Bad quality checks. No sd-card slot. No removable battery. I had the HTC One for testing for a week and I gave it back because it is UGLY. The HTC CEO will soon resign and HTC will soon be bankrupt.

The S4 got you scared and now you feel that spamming the Samsung forums with criticism of S4 and praise of HTC will save HTC? The HTC One is offtopic in a S4 thread in the S4 forum. But keep bringing the HTC One up so we can continue to tell you how much it sucks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You greatly over estimate my powers if you think I have any bearing on HTC's future. From a discreditation perspective nothing I've shared isn't public domain info. They are a troubled company that's put themselves in that position by choices they've made (or didn't make). They have a loyal fan base but, looking at 2011<>2012, it's eroding. And based on the One X becoming headline news in the UK because of its issues you can kind of see why. Their existing fans can't save them; they need to take market share from competitors. Once again they've bet design will be their salvation; let's see how that plays out this year.

As for the dangers of Samsung becoming an oligopoly I tend to agree with you. But your post actually made me think. With Apple and Samsung dominate in smartphones and Samsung clearly dominate in Android consolidation of manufacturers on the Android side is necessary. Four small players with under 10% market share each (HTC, LG, Motorola, Sony) is just way too many and none of them are going to catch Samsung with such a wide gap. Maybe HTC should go away? They are without question the weakest of the four financially and the others have multi-channel parent companies to draw resources from. If Sony and HTC disappeared that would allow Motorola and LG to become stronger and mount a more credible challenge to Samsung. And don't forget that even more competition’s coming in the form of Huawei and ZTE who pushed HTC out of the top five last quarter. So maybe the best thing for Android is fewer, stronger, and better resourced players. As in nature, only the strong survive. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Competition is always good, but Samsung can't be blamed for doing so well while HTC did so bad in recent years.

To stay on topic, i wouldnt pay a premium for an aluminum S4 because the plastic is more durable and what matters most to me is the usability, touchwiz and its features plus the great specs. I rather pay for a plastic S4 for 700 bucks than an aluminum one for 850 ( just giving random prices).
[Galaxy S 4 General] legion1911:
Would you still buy the premium version if it:

- costs more

and

- has higher weight

and

- has worse signal reception/transmission of 3g/4g/wifi/gps

??
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Of course not. I guess it comes down to personal choice once again. People like to discredit galaxy s phones because of their build quality ( build quality that i really like). I have one thing to say, I CANNOT WAIT for the S4 to be released, its gonna be a great phone! I expect a lot of people to jump ship to the S4, including S3 owners who didn't want to upgrade.