yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] AJL:
I was about to rip the expansys kit out and send it back but i'll persist and try to get it working i went for the new Rom yesterday and it takes forever to load up but its working again now

James
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] BunHead:
Re: AJL - Mike through a sock.

Could you give me a link to the page to download the latest ROM
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
XDA II Car Kit From Expansys

This kit is great.

It has far better audio than the original XDA car kit from O2 used to have for the XDA I.

The problem of no pda/satnav audio comming through the car kit is unfortunately by design.

If you think about it - anyone who was using the XDA II as a phone (ie without sat nav) and had the car kit fitted properly (ie wth radio mute etc) would not want their radio keep switching off every time you touched the screen and caused a blip in the audio. For these people the fact that the audio is only switched to the socket at the base of the XDA II during a call is the correct way to do things.

It is not the fault of the car kit that the XDA II bvehaves in this fashion.

Unfortunately for those of us that want to use the XDA II for sat nav and mp3 playing - it is a pain in the arse that the audio is not transmitted to the car kit.

If any one can find or develop a software patch for windows mobile 2003 that fools the XDA II into thinking its on a call all the time - so all audio is transmitted out of the socket to the car kit then great.

Just to confirm some of the many questions asked in this topic.

YES - the car kit does have an RJ11 socket at the base giving access to the XDA II's com 1 the wiring is such that it will work with tomtom or leadtek GPS receivers.

YES - there is a socket at the base of the device for use with the XDA II headphones. Once plugged in the Car Kit audio is muted enabling you to have a private call if you are carrying passengers - although i will be impressed if anyone could locate the socket and plug in the headset whilst driving without crashing.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] mohanad:
:( :(

But I am facing problem with the mic., the other side always complaining that my sound not clear and very far.

Anybody facing same problem???

:cry: :cry: :cry:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
Is this the same as your microphone. (sorry the pictures sideways - i forgot to rotate it)

If so then it is vital that the slot on the front is facing directly towards the person talking. If its facing 90 deg away it will cut down the sound level picked up greatly. As you can see i monted mine in the centre by the interior light facing directly towards my head.

It is very unidirectional which is what helps cut down baqckground noise.

If your mic is different from this then that could be the problem.

Most car stereo / car phone fitters will have replacemint and possibly better quality microphones.

Every body i talk to cant believe i am driving when i use this car kit.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] warren007:
Does it work?

Can you guys who have bought this kit please tell me if it works. Ive read all the problems about the sound, i dont want to buy it if there are problems

Does the new ROM sort the pda/phone sound out?

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=109748
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Lyndon:
The short answer is yes it works fine. You only get phone audio through the car speakers though. If you upgrade to the new rom, pda audio comes through the device.

Lyndon.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
YES IT WORKS !!!

I have attached some mp3 files recorded using my voicemail system.

The first is a control recording done indoors with no handsfree kit.

The second recording was done in the car using the car kit at 50mph.

I have a Hyundai Coupe which isnt the quietest car in the world, but probably quieter than most vans or off-road type vehicles.

I have also attached some pictures to show you how i installed my car kit.

The only 2 negatives to theis setup are :-

1. The GPS reciever stops communicating after each phone call (this is an XDA II bug - not the car kit)

2. Only the in call audio is transmitted to the car kit (again an XDA II bug or feature - depending on how you look at it)

I hope this helps clear up all the controversy around this car kit.

After listening to the audio - you can make up your own mind on the quality. I spend alot of time driving (arround 40,000 miles per year) and i spend half my time driving on the phone. Everyone i talked to has noticed a marked improvement in the audio quality since i upgraded to the XDA II and this car kit from the XDA I and the original O2 car kit.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Lyndon:
gps stopping after a call

I just want to add that I have the navman4410 bluetooth gps reciever an this works fine during and after a call. :) Works better with BT I guess.

Lyndon
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
I may have to make the switch to bluetooth gps reciever...

Anybody know which id the best one...

I suppose i should start a new thread...

Ideally i would have one that i could click into a holder in the car which would charge it up and then it would run on batteries when i took it out of the car...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] mohanad:
Hi Roycruse,

I have placed my micrphone exactly the same like you, but I am still facing the same problem?????

:? :? :? :?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
There is one more thing that you can check - i had a problem at one point where there was this low piched muffled noise almost drowning out what i was saying - sounded a pit like you had the mic under a pillow or something.

This was caused by my car air conditioning vent pointing straight up and was blowing air accross the microphone.

It took me over a week to find what the problem was - but when i realised what it was i was very relieved.

If this is not your problem then i would suggest returning your car kit - or if you haed it fitted professionally get them to check it over.

One last thing...

What do you have you microphone autogain set to...

Mine is always off but im not sure it makes a huge amount of difference (worth a look though)

Sorry i cant be of any more help... Hope you get it sorted though...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] damian.hunt:
Roycruse,

Lyndon has posted earlier that the pda/gps audio output to car kit (not just phone audio) works with the latest ROM upgrade, and you have said that it doesn't work with your setup. What ROM version are you using? Have you tried it with the latest ROM?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
No he doesnt...

I sugest you re-read what he has said carefully...

Lyndon correctly states that once you have upgraded to the new rom pda audio is available from the pda speaker.

NOT THE CAR KIT SPEAKER...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] BunHead:
Anyone figured the audio yet

Has anyone got a solution for getting the GPS and MP3 through the car stereo yet, if so can you give me a link to the page from which I can download the necessary up-date or a wiring diagram to show how to correctly connect it to the car, I have a crappy CD player and really wish I could use the XDA II as an MP3 player for the car. :?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Jim Ill:
are you looking for something like this

http://www.ihavetohave.it/acatalog/ICE-Link_Ford.html

it allows your "ipod" to use the radio speakers on a Ford.

If it works for an ipod it should work for the XDA2
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] roycruse:
Thanks for your suggestion - but it is unlikely this unit will work with xda ii

It will have proprietry connectors for the ipod and if you read carefully passes keypresses from the car stereo to the ipod as remote control commands - this definately wont work with xda ii.

Our xda ii's are allready cradled and connected to the car speakers - its just that someone "clever !!!" at either microsoft or htc decided that the xda ii should only transmit audio from the bottom connector whilst on a call.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] wistowtom:
Expansys Car Kit

Have just purchased and had professionally fitted the Expansys I-Mate Car Kit for use with my XDA II and Tom Tom 3 Bluetooth set-up. I have an Audi A4 new model and the fitter used a Dashmount bracket to fit the kit.

It fits in fine allthough it blocks off my drinks tray when in use I can swing it out of the way to allow me to access the drinks tray which is one of the good features of the kit in that it lets you ajust on a pivot the angle the XDA II is at (in a horisontal plane). This comes in handy for showing my wife DVD's using Pocket DVD for the Pocket PC if she sits in the front.

As for the kit itself it has a external areial connector and comes with a cheap mag mount arieal which I did not use and opted for a more modern internal screen mount version. One of the problems with the kit is length of most of the wires as the fitter was complaining that he did not have the length of cable to run the calble where he would have liked.

There is also an RJ11 for plugging in the tom tom power charger for the blue tooth, problem with this is that the cable supplied with the tom tom is short and as such I cannot have the tom tom where I would have liked out of the way unless I charge it and disconnect and place out of the way.

During the fitting we discovered through a number of hours of messing about that we could not get the kit to send sound through the car speakers and had to attatch the single speaker supplied with the kit under the Glove box.

I do however have the same issue as all other people with this kit in that it will not send any other sound but the Phone through the speaker and I would love to be able to do this for MP3 and DVD playback. If anyone has a solution to this software or hardware please post.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] GoldenHands:
rom

With the 1.60.00 WWE rom, do I get the Nav voice on my device?

Or do I still need a newer Rom?

I've read the problems occuring with the 1.5 Rom...

I'm not using my device for MP3 files... So I do't need the audio through my car speakers, but would like to hear the TomTom Nav directions...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] gigino:
Hey

I have the same problem sound only from call go throught the car kit.

I thing that the car kit that Expansys sale is not for the XDA II but only for the I-mate I say this because when I received the kit I still had the original rom thatr came when I purchased the XDA II in December last year.

I had an XDA I card kit and for a while I used that the sound was come throught the car kit when I say sound I mean all sounde Navigator, MP3 etc detc.

But when I place4d the XDA II in the expansys car kit it only send out sound when receiving calls or make calls that is what is is good for only. Regardingb wiring it is true that the cable are very short.

I thingb the only way of fixing ther sound is to get the handsfree.dll file from an I-mate and try it on an XDA II.

Now I well purchase the original XDA II car kit frrom O2 when i shall be available next week.

regards

Gigi
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] eayuwna:
RE: Handsfree_Dll.dll

I have the same problem as everyone else. Handsfree kit used to output mp3 audio over carphone speakers, now it doesn't with the XDA II. I've done some reading around and everyone seems convinced it's a problem with the 'handsfree_DLL.dll', which has changed on the device.

I'm running an O2 XDA II,

ROM 1.60.00

Ext. 1.60.50

Can someone with WM 2003 who can get car audio through their car kit, or someone who doesn't have the same setup as me (i.e. not UK O2) upload their handsfree_DLL.dll file (Found in the \Windows directory by using freeware software like total commander - available from http://ghisler.fileburst.com/ce/tcmdpocket.exe) NOTE, once it's on your PC you'll need to set it to show system files or you won't be able to see the file.

Then can someone tell me a way of swapping the files so that I can fiddle. (The file is locked cos it's being used by the OS or is in ROM)

Will.

I don't know that much about programming, but I'm willing to give my device a hard reset if it screws up so don't shout at me and call me stupid please.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] xdaeire:
re workaround for sound output issue

hi guys.....please see my post in accessories forum.......how to listen to all sound via carkit..it works
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] eayuwna:
My XDA II Car kit has a jack plug on the bottom, but if I use that no sound comes out. I'm assuming this takes audio out from the 22pin connector at the bottom of the XDA II.

When you say you've plugged a 2.5mm jack into your XDA you mean the socket on the actual XDA itself right? And that enables audio through the 22pin connector or does it just output audio through the jack?

My problem is now that I'm going to have to rip my (very expensive when I bought it) XDA II Car kit to pieces to put a 2.5mm jack into the bottom of the phone when it's in the car kit!

Is there nothing at all that anyone's got to force the XDA out of in-car mode or anything or is that completely hard-wired?

God this is annoying! Why is there always something wrong, even with the coolest gadget in the world!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Dr.Fresh:
Same problem

I am having the same problem as eayuna (sorry if I didn't note your name carefully enough) - no sound when a jack plug is inserted (to use the amplified speaker in my car mount). Makes the damned thing pretty useless.

I am also getting only intermittent sound from the XDA2 when no jack plug is inserted. When it works, the TomTom nav voice commands are loud but phone calls are desparately quiet - unusable.

Sometimes it doesn't have any audio output at all - even on TomTom - which may be a problem with the XDA2.

Any ideas (re the first problem?)

Thanks
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] :
Stupid name, stoopid phone

Sorry about the stupid username. :-) Old one from uni!

I reckon that what xdaeire is going on aboot is putting a jack plug in the actual socket that's built into the XDA.

The jack-socket on the bottom of the car kit is driven from the 22 pin connector so by plugging into the one on the bottom of the car-kit we don't get the same effect as xdaeire.

All I can think of doing is snapping an old 2.5mm jack off and poking it in the hole and then hoping I can get it out again to test, before ripping my rather expensive car-kit to bits.

Unfortunately xdaeire hasn't replied to my query in his other post so I don't know.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] xdaeire:
my apologies

sorry guys for not replying sooner. Yes, i mean u have to insert the plug in the audio socket of the xda2, not the cradle. u need to use a stereo jack plug, ie the headset plus or similar. it works fine, i listen to mp3 on my car stereo aux input everyday. i have chopped my original car kit to allow space for the protruding plug.

However, i still havent given up on solving the problem permanently, via wiring changes in the car kit, and also resolving the charging issue. im fairly sure that xda2 thinks its attached to a usb port and therefore only drawing up to 550 ma, which can only sustain the device but not charge it. if this is the case, the solution should be to disconnect pin 13 [usb detect] in the car loom. have u ecer noticed that ur unit tries to active sync when u put it into the cradle?...this supports my theory. i have purchased a 15 pin cable, which i will modify and place in line with the car kit loom at the black box. i also will test a solution to the sound output problem, and hopefully have a result before the weekend!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
Great news xdaeire.

Finally someone get somewhere in this months-taking carkit audio project!

BTW: Has anyone had the problem with this carkit that the speaker sound drops after approx 20 second in a call.

This happens to me after about a month of operation.

Remedy is to take the black-box off the 12V for a few seconds. Then its ok again for another month.

I tried rewiring to both 12V In and Acc In to permanent 12V, but that didnt help either.

besides this I notice (when Acc In is wired to switched 12V) the carkit is powered off when I switch off the engine (according to specs when in a call it should remain active for about one hour)

Think I have to go back to the reseller, but I'd rather fix it myself (dont like to be without carkit for presumably weeks/months) . . .Any advice?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Jez:
Hey,

Dont you find that the XDA2's MP3 output quality is pretty poop though.

When listening to anything from the XDA2, on headphones, the speaker or through the car audio, its allways a bit rubbish, lack of base, lack of top end...sounds like a poor radio station. It works...but not as good as cd quality.

Ive just put my laptop in the car for DVD's and MP3s, the XDA2 still does GPS and mobile email though, but i couldnt live with the below average audio quality.

Regards,

Jez.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] recrem:
Here's my home grown car kit...

I use an FM transmitter to get audio from the 22-pin connector to my car stereo. This works really well.

I have also made my own cradle, charger cables etc...

We use BT headset for the hands free phone part.

Recrem...

BTW - I have no problem with the audio taken from the 22-pin connector. Once pin 19 - "Car ON" - is taken to GND via a 10K resistor, audio is then routed via the 22-pin connector, and not via the internal speaker or jack.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] chuckieland:
is there a car kit that has built in fm broadcast feature?

that i can play the mp3 wireless from xda2 to my car radio?

i use bt earphone, so phone call is not a concern for me

but gps sound and mp3 sound will be important.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] recrem:
chuckieland,

Not aware of any, that's why I built my own - using a commercially available FM Transmitter for use with MP3 / CD players...

I bought mine from Jaycar Electronics in Australia for $29 AUD. The rest I made.

Recrem...

I have posted details on this car kit on my web site under Features -> XDA II Car Kit. I'm yet to decide on how to post the PCB stencil, without having various apps resizing it etc... Most other info is there now.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] jpiek:
Funny, that plugging in a 2.5 mm jack seems to make the 22-pin aux out work...

I tried that, useing the same cable i use for audio from my XDA 1.

What extra's did you do ? ;)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] recrem:
Had a quick search for your previous posts... Not quite sure what you mean.

This is what I did: I have taken the audio from pins 3 & 4 of the 22-pin connector. Then wired this through to an FM Transmitter to send audio to my stereo in the car. Pin 5 - Analogue GND is connected to car battery ground, same as pins 16, 17 & 18. +5V from my charger cct is connected to pins 20, 21 & 22. I have connected pin 19 - Car ON# to +5V via a 10k resistor.

I don't use the 2.5mm audio jack sticking out of the XDA II side, just the 22-pin connector. When the XDA II is plugged into the cable I made up, no audio is heard out the internal speaker, instead it is sent to the FM transmitter.

Is this any different to your set-up? If you want more info, see if the details on my website to show you how I have done it.

Recrem...

IMPORTANT:- I got confused looking at my PCB. Pin 19 - Car On - is connected to GND via a 10k resistor, and NOT +5V
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
I think I need to try to check the internal wiring of the 22pin cinnector onf my XDA2 carkit then.

Could you tell us what the behaviour of your home-made carkit is when you do NOT connect pin 19 - Car ON# to +5V via a 10k resistor??

IF it then only sends in-call phone-audio to the carkit,

THEN the simple conclusion for all of us XDA2-carkit owners is to do some re-wiring inside the cradle/blackbox of the carkit.

Since quite some investigation has been made on various forums, I expect that the solution is not this simple . . . but hey lets give it a try
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] recrem:
With pin 19 disconnected:-

The behaviour is exactly the same as when the XDA II is connected to the USB sync cable / charger. During a phone call, all audio is routed to the internal speaker or headphones through the jack. I don't know how your kits are wired, but it sounds like someone should pull one apart and post the details here!

I could only get audio through the 22-pin connector by tying pin 19 high through a 10k resistor...

Recrem...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
OK, thanks. Thats what I expected.

I am willing to take it apart, once I know for sure the unit is correct.

For now i still have the issue that after approx. one month operation all my calls volume fade to zero after 20seconds in the call.

It is fixed when I take the 12V off my carkit for a few seconds.

Someone else with this issue mentioned it probably is just a lose ground-wire in one of the connectors. I will check this this weekend.

If the issue is in the connnectors, I will fix it myself, otherwise I will return the whole kit under warranty (so no good idea to solder someting inside for now).
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] recrem:
It sounds to me that your car kit has a microprocessor doing all the controlling for audio and stuff. Perhaps this is the cause of your troubles! Only something with a micro could come better after disconnecting the power. In my experience, if the micro has no watch dog timer enabled, after some time it can glitch. Just a thought.

Let me know if there is a micro in it when you have a look inside.

My car kit only uses the connections for charging and audio to the stereo. I use a BT headset for the phone side of things. I have attached the circuit diagram and cable connections for my kit for you to compare to.

Recrem...

Regarding the 22-pin plug details: I drew what the dc power jack to 22-pin adapter looks like, after removing the power jack, covers and shields. The left side goes into the bum of the XDA II and the right side is where the contacts are that the wires are soldered to...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] recrem:
I tried fitting a microphone to my kit today without success. I need a mic working so I can use the voice dialler program with my BT headset.

Anyone successfully fitted an external electret mic to the 22-pin connector mic input? If so, did you require a preamp to boost the mic audio?

It seems very insensitive to mic audio. I did notice there is no voltage drive present on the mic input pin to drive an electret mic. I added this to my mic, and it worked to a fashion, but sounded crap!

Oh well, for now I'll just have to switch the "Car On" pin between GND and no connection for when I want to listen to music or use fonix voice dialer... (no connection on pin 19 uses internal speaker / mic, while connection to GND disables internal speaker / mic)

Recrem...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] jashry:
If you're looking for a kit just for GPS navigation, here is a great one:

http://www.pdamods.com/proddetail.asp?prod=A11XDA2MNT&cat=109
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edd:
would the car kit be available in the Philippines?