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[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
I think your a good writer I do appreciate your insightful views. It just appears at times you delight it in. I could be wrong.

As far as HTC's past yes you make valid points but to compare the reviews and reception of the one to one x I think is a mistake. I've followed Samsung and htc closely for about three years and I've never seen an htc phone received like the one. Being an underdog I would like to see them succede and I seriously doubt they will match the s4 sales but I believe this will help their market share.

Either way we will know soon enough.

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To clarify I do not blame Samsung for any of HTC's woes. They have been instrumental in pushing android to the forefront. If anything they are responsible for the drive and innovation now seen in the one and probably soon the next iphone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
When you watch a sports team on TV that does something stupid and loses a game (or even a season), do you defend the stupidity and try to rationalize it? Or say, "That’s stupid but it doesn't matter because I want them to succeed?" No. I'd guess you and your friends would tear the responsible coach and players up for their stupidity; especially if it was avoidable. All while still believing in the team and players. That's kind of how I feel about HTC. To have gone from being the first Nexus partner with the G1 and a lead over Samsung through 2010 they've made a bunch of bad calls and lost the 2011 and 2012 seasons. Just as with a sports team it's OK to talk about their failings while still wishing them success. And I do. ;)

P.S. - Go look at the "The One has three different displays" thread on the One forum. Based on nothing, a One owner's trying to create a furor about the One having displays ranging from 350-650 cd/m2. In five different and detailed ways I tried to put out the fire by pointing out how ridiculous the basis for the OP's argument was. So I'm not as one sided as you make me out to be. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
I saw that. Ok well if I'm wrong I apologize. The good news is there are some awesome phones coming out. The moto x included.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
No. A more rigid design likely means less apt to survive a drop. Also probably means no removable battery or an sd slot. Apple and HTC can keep their beer cans :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] legion1911:
Right, do you people want a S4 with premium material that:

- costs more

- has higher weight

- has worse signal reception/transmission of 3g/4g/wifi/gps

- has less shock absorption

??

Here is a video comparison, Iphone 5 (premium material) vs Galaxy S 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo

Enjoy!

:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hyperdoggy:
It would of been nice if they went a better material for S4, it doesn't have to be metal, just a better grade of plastic/polycarbonate would of been nice. If S3 is any indication then S4 would fall into the "it weight as much as it looks" factor. It weight as its build material look and feel. Even if it does better in drop test, gets better signal..etc, i can't help but to feel that the phone is really fragile. Speaking of S3, i went to Chinatown in NYC with some friends in the past week and i saw some $5 phone toy that was made to look like the S3, here the sad part, it looks and feels exactly like the S3, so minus the non working screen and the fact that it plays some kiddie song from a glance, is easy to mistake it for the real thing. I don't care how people dress up their phone or claim looks doesn't matter, the idea of a five dollar fake can looks and feel like the real thing erks me a bit.

Off contract the phone is rumored to cost $650(at one point $550), which is on par with how much other smartphone cost. So unless the extra barometer sensor, the OLED screen, and the extra mAh is costing that much more, Samsung is going to have a higher profit margin by skimping on the building material. There's no reason the phone would of cost more for a better grade of material if Samsung wanted to, but they choose not to, simple as that.

All said, i'll still end up getting a S4, build material aside, is still going to be a great phone, and xda here is going to offer tons of support, but mainly i'm with Verzion and i don't have much choice in the matter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Saturn1217:
No need for metal...just give me better plastic!

I don't need aluminum. It would just be nice to see them move to a more durable or atleast less shiny/glossy plastic. A nice soft-touch finish etc. and a little more imagination in how they put it together would be great.

I do however appreciate that Samsung always keeps their designs very minimalist. It really makes the screens pop. I think HTC's designs (while better overall) can be a bit busy and cluttered.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ama3654:
Took this photo at Samsung store earlier, they have one on display in a glass, trust me when you look at it in real life, it is very beautiful, it looks nothing like galaxy S3 and much more sturdier. The texture on it makes it even better. I don't know what's the fuss about aluminium/glass.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
I truly dont think samsung is making any mistakes here. HTC always focused on design and samsung focusing more on features and less designs. But look at the market report. There is no reason samsung should revise theie plan at this moment.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
+1000
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
OK. I agree. Me, EU lawyer and few others here have decided to fulfil your wet dreams.

We gonna take your cheap **** GALAXY S or Note or even Ace and convert it to no.1 most-fanciest-device you've ever seen. (Plus que HTC ONE or IP5). Sans plastique, bez plastike, w/out plastic and above all it'll be unibody design, but don't worry.

We'll make it happen... Price negotiable. Anybody interested in either side-> private.

Who is with me? Only 100eur or 100 $+tax, go for it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] oman555:
Totally agree! If you want to use a smartphone as a smartphone go s4. If you want to use your smartphone as a necklace or jewelry go htc one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] crawlgsx:
I have nothing "against" the poly plastic. It is functionally great. I am however bored of it (S3, Note, Note II) and it is 100% the reason I am skipping the GS4 this round, I want something more aesthetically pleasing. An aluminum S5 would be superb.
[Galaxy S 4 General] r1sh12:
if the so called 'build quality' is of high concern to anyone buying the s4, go to one of the companies that take the phone apart, swap the plastic to metal, or brush gold on the plastic.

It might feel like a million bucks
[Galaxy S 4 General] jonny68:
I wouldn't pay a premium, the phone is already too expensive, this has been the deal breaker for me, i have a Galaxy S3 and had a Galaxy S2 before it and whilst under the hood there have been significant changes, design wise Samsung have remained the same and i personally have had enough and have purchased the HTC One which is every bit as good if not better under the hood as the Galaxy S4 and design wise it is by far and away better than anything else out there, im a Samsung fan but this Galaxy S4 asides from some gimmicky features which do not really interest me, doesn't do anything for me, the 32GB storage is enough for my needs, if the HTC One only would have had 16GB i doubt id have got it but 32GB is enough but it's a beautiful handset the bets ive ever seen, just my opinion anyway.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Underground_XI:
Yes sure, I would even donate to sammy my m3 in order to have aluminium s4!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Cast|el:
no but I would pay more for waterproofing
[Galaxy S 4 General] j510:
No I would pay less. Radio interference no thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skyyrocket:
Trust me you don't want a all metal or aluminum phone. This is what happened to my iPhone 5 when I went to UMF in Miami. I was in the crowd and I crushed into the gate I didn't release what happened till I went to go record a video of the event and if the phone was plastic it would've just cracked and a battery door cover is cheap to replace. And yes the iPhone is bent there's no weird angle or anything
[Galaxy S 4 General] sxi200:
That's a job for a panel beater :D.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Daniels45:
Sure having a great looking phone is nice and all when you can actually see it but most people use plastic cases for protection so whats the use in the end? Also metal enclosures often dent when droped unlike plastic which bounces. The GS4 may be made out of plastic but for me at least, it still looks good. Many electronic gadjets/appliances are made out of plastic so I really don't see what the big deal is here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] domperfater:
hmm. not a bad idea.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Booomber:
Sv: Would you pay a premium for an Aluminum version of the Galaxy S4?

Every time I see a iphone it always look terrible. The corners are scratched. It have dents and lost paint.

Or else they have a big even more terrible looking rubber case around. Which loses the point.

My sgs3 still looks like new. Even tho i dropped it on the ground a few times. I use a samsung flip cover to protect the screen. And the phone always look neet.

If your unlucky with your cover. You just buy a new one. AND you can get a new color for each day.

So tbh i prefer plastic this way.
[Galaxy S 4 General] maranello69:
and what's the use of topics like this? are you part of the Samsung Management Board and able to do this for real? or you just want to fill in some spare time and get opinions that are basicaly useless for all of us
[Galaxy S 4 General] lostmyphone:
Carbon Fiber :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] jangau:
Probably

I think I would :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
In the end, I don't think aluminium is a very suitable material to be used for phones. In order for it to be strong, you need lots of it. It's only practical in laptops, iMacs and other big devices that aren't likely to be dropped. Aluminium interferes with wireless too much, and unless it's very well designed, it will never be better than plastic. It can only outperform plastic if the amounts used in aluminium phones today is maybe doubled, but that will lead to weight and reception problems.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
Maybe carbon fibre on Thinkpad Carbon or kevlar like the RAZR had. Those feel really good. But pay extra for aluminium, which dents easily, causes interference and costs $200 to replace? No thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
I stopped reading when op.mentioned no.need for lte...seriously?
[Galaxy S 4 General] fix-this!:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9500_galaxy_s4-pictures-5125.php

maybe its just me but the plastic looks a bit more durable and not as slippery as the s3 or note 2. got a carbon type of look to it. i wouldn't buy a aluminum device, it interferes with the signal too much. now maybe what sammy should of done is use the material they used on the droidrazr line.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
I actually don't think Samsung's choice of material is a bad one. Do we really need a device that feels "expensive" like the iPhone or HTC One? There are many types of plastic; some are cheap, others are several times more rigid than steel based on their weight/strength ratio. Samsung uses a HyperGlaze Polycarbonate (correct me if I'm wrong), which I'm okay with. The bezel certainly looks like it's metallic, and that's good enough for me. I'd rather have a "plastic" phone with powerful internals, a market-leading display technology and easy access to custom bootloader/recoveries and ROMs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
You are correct sir,it is inded polycarbonate...which of course is not plastic and I don't know why all the haters can't figure that out lol..call it lexan if you want But enough about the plastic already.

Considering the number of GS3's sammy sold last year it would appear that ppl don't seem to mind it is not made from "premium" materials..despite all the moaning about it...go figure
[Galaxy S 4 General] aydc:
I would pay premium for an S4 with a touch home button instead of a physical one. It could be made of cardboard, I wouldn't care.
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
OMG. I would never. What would the plus of that be especially on an amoled? Getting burn in and having less screen estate. I would pay premium to have buttons just as they are. W/out some experimental 2 button interface or special button for multitasking...
[Galaxy S 4 General] RockRatt:
I had the ATT Versions of the SGS1 and SGS2 which have four buttons at the bottom (the same as the S3's menu and back buttons BUT it also included a Search button(I never used anyways) and the Home button). I actually liked them than having a physical push button on my SGS3. The Physical button has some advantages like being able to wake the device from it OR the power button which is nice.

See my above comment as to WHAT I think he is talking about for the buttons. In that case it doesn't take up ANYMORE space than they do on the SGS3/SGS4 since their at the bottom of the screen where the metallic looking part of the screen is.

As far as Aluminum case I do not care for it. This so called plastic works great and survives drops better IMHO. Plus I put a case on it anyways that is thin and doesn't take away from the design. What I WOULD like to see is some kind of kickstand on the back. It is one of the only reasons I buy a case. I use it a lot for watching things like YouTube, porn of course lol, and movies when I want to and don't have my tab with me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jell0zz:
I like the esthetics of a metal phone, the plastic (especially samsungs) seems a little flimsy to me.

As long as it is a reasonable price I'd definitely consider it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
Have same on GTab. Practically never use search button, since there is a widget on home sceen. Otherwise friend witg 4x also doesn't find practical all capacitive buttons as he claims he presses capacitive home all too many times wheb texting. I guess it's a subjective thing. I prefer current layout and functions.

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Ofc they do. Resolution wise at least. Either is less then it should or you would have unstandard res., whith burn in and more battery consumption...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Derpston:
I literally Lol'ed
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
Well the main difference is that polycarbonate will look the same even after years (- (minus) scratches which will still be less visible due to...), whereas plastic can loose paint and look awful. Polycarbonate is actually of that colour/pattern. Otherwise there are also differences in elasticity which comes handy at impacts. So yeah it only looks the same for first few months...

I am no fan of polycarbonate. I just wouldn't pay more or even the same to have alu or even worse-glass finish without possibility of accessing battery...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Cognac_Sipper:
I think the non metal design is actually what makes the Samsung line phone unique. It gives you access to the battery as well as a sd card slot.

If you want build quality then you would have to sacrifice access to the battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
I mostly agree, but disagree that material of a battery cover="build quality".
[Galaxy S 4 General] kenshi1023:
can't the back battery cover be replaced with a titanium or platinum cover making the phone more premium? :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] xyz007:
Without ruining the reception and augmenting the price? I say go. But doubtful. Then there will be ppl who want on screen buttons for some reason... It never ends. Titanium is limited material, not to mention platinum.

One question-WHY? Despite materials it'll be old in 2 years at most. Definitely not premium so called any more. Why except for momentary boost of snobbism - da fuq? :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
The problem with this problem is that the Samsung Galaxy S4 is what Samsung intended it to be. If it were made of metal or something, then it wouldn't be the S4 anymore. So what if the S4 doesn't have a premium finish? It's not like it's the only phone in the world. Just choose another phone. Each phone appeals to different users differently. If you want metal, go for the iPhone 5 or HTC One. If only everyone knew this...
[Galaxy S 4 General] misterzeno:
These phones are to expensive for me not to cover it with an otterbox commuter, so I could care less about how pretty it looks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] richtoyz:
haha spoken like some one who lives in the real world, i have a gs11 and have people commenting on how thick my phone is, because they have only ever seen the case.so give me all the great features the phone has and i will provide the case of my choosing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Serious_Beans:
I messed with the S4 a little when the Samsung rep came in and for a plastic phone, it feels really sturdy and feels good in the hand. Plastic or metal makes no difference really, it feels premium, just have to get the idea out of your head that plastic is CHEAP. It's inexpensive, whatever plastic they are using isn't cheap (at least not the way it feels). I am definitely going to be buying an S4, the screen is awesome and I am hoping the battery is better than my n4 lol.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RaptorMD:
I have no reason to pay more for an aluminum phone when all I do is put a case on it anyways and they are always made of plastic or leather so in the end why would I care about a metal Galaxy S phone. Put the money into software, and more tech.
[Galaxy S 4 General] krabman:
With Raptor on this one, goes in a case and looks just exactly as premium as that case after that. Spend the money on tech if you wanna go big IMO.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lgkahn:
Metal would not work and the phone would need to be redesigned... tried metal back on my sgs III and nfc doesn't work.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Underground_XI:
Oh yeah! I am in $1000!
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrPhilo:
There is more con's of having an aluminum design than plastic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Zanr Zij:
I love replaceable metal bezel.

My Note 2 bezel easy to replace bezel. I can buy the original for only 5$ :D

Sent from my GT-N7100
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
Finally seen a dummy model of the S4 looks fantastic it is more square, love the design and dont care that its plastic and ftr i have a htc one.

I am defo going to get a S4 but when the price drops
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slazur:
I bet build material wouldn't matter so much if everyone got 3rd party cases for their phones :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] realpg:
I like my plastic phones just fine.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
If you think about it, aluminium has around the same production cost as plastic.

Think of it this way; soft drink plastic bottles vs aluminium cans. Have you ever tried jumping on an empty plastic bottle with its lid closed? It takes quite an amount of effort to deform the bottle. Even if you do, you can just pop it back into shape. Throw it at the ground, and it will simply bounce somewhere. Sure, there will be scratches, but they will be relatively minor.

Aluminium cans, however, easily rip, dent and deform. If you try to fix it, you'll see creases and dents that will never normalize. Throw it at the ground, and it will similarly dent and scratch.

This might be a slightly inaccurate example, but from these two beverage bearing vessels made from different materials, you can see the difference between the two and what effects it will have in smartphones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chery2k:
The cons far outweigh the pros for aluminum body would feature non-removable cover, no replaceable or upgradable battery, there may not external sd slot. Sorry I believe Samsung had it right.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
If Samsung were to make an aluminium phone, it won't be in the Galaxy S series. The Galaxy S series have removable batteries and external storage, so aluminium unibody is a big no-no. But if done right, an aluminium back cover is alright, as long as there is a plastic area for antennas.
[Galaxy S 4 General] osmosizzz:
There are metal phones with removable backs. HTC did it

Sent from my Oppo Find 5
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
Sure it looks nice for about 20 minutes to have an aluminum device but the novelty wears off and I purchase a smartphone to use it, not admire it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cheema:
I actually prefer polycarbonate for a few reasons.

1. Lighter

2. Absorbs shock better. GS4 will fair better in drop tests.

3. Doesn't blocks signals.

Smartphone for me have to be very functional above all else. I admit that in my younger days it might have been very important for me to impress my friends with a pretty looking phone. However, thankfully I am past that stage.

GS4 is way more functional than HTC one or iphone 5 for me. You guys should read the GSMArena's in-depth article comparing GS4 against HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Well yeah as we are already paying a premium price, so nothing would change.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
Samsung did it as well, such as the Omnia i8910.
[Galaxy S 4 General] squabbi:
An aluminum back would make it more damage and scratch prone. I like the plastic because I can throw it around on the grass. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] wang133ro:
:good:

I'm really curious how this "metal = premium" thought pattern got alive....

I think build quality is more related to how the parts fit and work together; I've seen plenty of metal lousy-built things in my life.

If people tell me they prefer metal cases because they believe they look nicer, that's their choice, but preferring metal because "it's premium" - this I personally don't get.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Hmm. Maybe their wrong. Maybe "plastic is fantastic." ;) It's going to be good enough for Apple.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mmoore1227:
Im def okay with plastic if it keeps costs down
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Its good enough for Apples low end, not top end. There's a little difference there between Apple and Samsung. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] will6316:
Plastic is fine. Just get rid of the freaking glossy finish.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
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True. But they aren't going to position the lower version as "you can have this piece of crap to save a few dollars because you're too cheap to buy our 'good' one." They'll position it as a great phone in its own right which is sort of an endorsement that plastic is not synonymous with low quality. Analysts expect them to sell 75MM next year with cannibalization from the "metal" one.

Not really when it comes to costs. They produce about the same number of devices and Samsung has a slight cost advantage because they produce a lot of their own components.

The iP5 with it metal casing costs less to produce than the SGS4. Apple saves a lot of money not having to design for a removable battery and expandable storage and add the cost of those additional parts to their expenses. So if Samsung moved to aluminum to maintain the same cost levels they'd forsake both of those features. Or, add costs (and pass it on in higher prices) if they could figure out how to do aluminum and a removable battery/expandable storage. Same thing if Apple ever decided to add those features. It's kind of like a balloon. You squeeze one end and the other expands. I wouldn't personally pay more for an aluminum Samsung device that didn't do anything differently than the cheaper plastic equivalent. And I wouldn’t give up features to get aluminum at the same price.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kenshi1023:
make your s4 premium with this crap?
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
I've had one of those cases before. The paint scratches off, revealing silver, and the plastic case itself cracks very easily.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
The only one that benefit from lower costs is samsung. Why do you think they dropped the metal prototyp with the better (non pentile) amoled display? Easy: Bigger profit margin (on the cost of their user, but they dont care)

And yes, the plastic Iphone will be the cheap Iphone.

They will go this way for sure:

Plastic - cheap iphone

glass metall - highend iphone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ekerbuddyeker:
Surely someone will sell an aluminium relpalcement battery cover.