yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
T'was me, thx Andrei. :good:

Good to have SW confirmation. Brian of Anandtech only found reference of IMX091PQ (which is the Exmor R) in the SW when testing the Snapdragon version, so the possibility of the 2 variants having 2 different sensors is still on. He did not find an IMX135 reference in the SW.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
[MENTION=4890367]BoneXDA[/MENTION]

What's the advantage inherent to the Exmor RS over the Exmor R? In particular, does it improve low light handling?

I've already posted a number of sunlit pictures from my SGH-i337m in this thread and those turned out pretty well, with good detail and capturing motion without blur. So I'm plenty satisfied there.

However, I'm curious if low-light performance could be better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The Exmor RS is one gen fresher than the Exmor R and the stacked design promises more clarity and better low-light performance (on paper). The Exmor R is still very capable, the superb iPhone 5 shooter is also of the same generation, but the I9500 shots outdo them in detail and accuracy. The Snapdragon is very close to both of them though, little less detail and dynamic range, a little more colors, but otherwise excellent performance on it's own.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Hmm, well so far the best Exmor R (assuming the Snapdragon has the R) sunlit pics have been just as detailed as the Exmor RS ones.

Too bad nobody seems to have both to do side-by-side comparisons.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
David Blaine style levitation. Animated Photo mode. (click to view)

It didn't come out as good as it could have, so I'll make a new one tomorrow.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Panorama Shoot with S4

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17051992/panor2.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
GS4 CM10.1 AOSP camera pics.

Indoor but decently lit. ISO-200, 1/15s

Dimly lit, indoors. ISO-1000, 1/15s

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Unreasonably dim, indoors:

AOSP camera, maximum ISO (1600), 1/15s

Samsung Touchwiz Night Mode (for comparison)
[Galaxy S 4 General] kannanX10:
dial *#34971539# and click on ISP ver check...........it will show sensor info for both rear and front camera
[Galaxy S 4 General] waroftheworlds:
Camera metering?

Can someone please confirm if metering functionality works in S4? I have seen the HTC One perform the metering flawlessly. Just wanted to confirm S4 does the same too.

To check:

Point the camera to an area having both dark and well lit areas. Then

1) touch to focus on a well lit area and take a snap

2) touch to focus on a dark area and take a snap

The above test must be done on the same subject
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
My I9505 is showing M10MO for rear camera.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
but how can I find out which sensor it is? mine has M10MO...is it the Fujitsu one? Is there a big difference against Sony?
[Galaxy S 4 General] kannanX10:
can i have the full info?
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
what do you mean exactly FW version or...? :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] kannanX10:
Rear camera

ISP ver:------------------------------
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
thats it M10MO thats all
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
That is the full info. All it shows for rear camera is M10MO. There is nothing else shown.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kannanX10:
you have

ISP: Fujitsu M10MO

Sensor: CMOS BSI SONY IMX091PQ (ie sony Exmor R 13.25 MP)

while exynos I9500 have Exmor RS
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
sorry pal no such an info... :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] kannanX10:
no............i mean to say u have sony exmor R sensor
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
OK man :D thanks for info and what is ISP?
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Where are you seeing this info? I ask because I could tell the difference between the Exmor R and RS in photos, and the pictures my camera is taking are higher quality like the RS, and not like the pics from the R's that I had seen before. I want to see it myself.

I hope you're not just going by that Anandtech article. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] kannanX10:
Image Signal Processing

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http://www.esato.com/archive/t.php/t-205454,1.html

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol65/pdf/imx081_091_111pq.pdf

and for I9500 having IMX135

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201208/12-107E/
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
thanks for soe valuable info...but this is only theory so cant wait for some comparisons between the two :) anyway, the camera is awesome!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yes, poster Valokuvaaja released a Galaxy S4 spec sheet, question is, where did he/she get it from, it's very detailed and confirms the Exmor R (but not the S4 variant). His post was updated on April 25.

Technichal Specifications Digital Camera Galaxy S IV:

* Optical Assembly: Largan Precision Optics (31mm in 35mm equiv.)

* Construction Lens: 5 Elements Plastic

* F-Number: f/2.2

* Focal Length: 4.20mm

* Focus Range: 10 Cm - Infinity

* Iso Sensitivity: 50 - 2000

* Image Stabilization: Yes (Digital)

* Features Digital Camera: Touch Focus - Face Detection - Smile Detection - Panorama - HDR And Geo - Tagging

* Flash: Led (3rd Generation)

* Reach In Shooting Of Flash: Up To 2,5 Meters

* AF Light: Yes (Led 3rd Generation)

* ISP: Fujitsu M10MO

* Sensor: CMOS BSI SONY IMX091PQ

* Format: 1/3.06"

* Surface: (6.00 mm x 4.80 mm)

* Pixel Size: 1.12 Microns

* Total Pixel Are Used: 4208 x 3120 - 13.12 MP

* Maximum Effective Pixels Resolution: 4128 x 3096 For (4:3) Or 4128 x 2322 For (16:9)

* Other Features: Dual Shot And Simultaneous HD Video And Image Recording

Technichal Specifications Digital Camcorder Galaxy S IV:

* Maximum Resolution Digital Camcorder: FULLHD 1080p (1920 x 1080)

* Quantity Frames Per Second During Recording Of Video: 30 FPS

* Recording Codec Used To Do Video: MP4

* Video Bit Rate: 17 Mbps

* Recording Audio Codec Used To Do Video: AAC Stereo

* Audio Bit Rate: 128 Kbps

* Audio Sampling Rate: 48.0 KHz

* Light Assist For The Record Video: Yes (Single Led 3rd Generation)

* Features Digital Camcorder: Digital Video Stabilization And Continuous Autofocus

Technichal Specifications Front Digital Camera Galaxy S IV:

* Optical Assembly: Samsung Lens

* Construction Lens: 4 Elements Plastic

* F-Number: f/2.4

* Focal Length: 1.85mm

* Sensor: CMOS BSI SAMSUNG S5K6B2YX03

* Format: 1/6"

* Surface: (3.00 mm x 2.40 mm)

* Pixel Size: 1.34 Microns

* Maximum Effective Pixels Resolution: 1920 x 1088
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I'm asking how I can confirm this on my phone. My camera seems to be taking better pictures like the I9500 variants, despite what we've been hearing, I suspect my particular phone has Exmor RS, not R.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
I dont think you cant compare that theoreticaly until you do complete comparison of both versions side by side at the same time! ;) different light conditions and place are very tricky and with the same device in similar conditions I can do very different pictures even with my i9505, thrust me Ive taken tons of photos since Samsung i8510i8910/SGS2/SGS3/Nokia N8 and I never used dedicated camera...
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
The differences between both sensors is visible, by looking at pics. I've been able to see it in the pics that have been posted in this thread so far, I'm not the only one who can tell the difference either.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Some details can be compared, blue sky for example is very clean on the I9500, ever so minimal traces of noise, building details are fine too, not much post-processing. The Snapdragon variant shows some denoising, the small details show a little softness and a little more saturation, but it appears the updated version has a little more sharpness (more would be too much. Over the picture sets I also notices that the I9500 is a little more accurate getting the white balance and exposure right, it stays with the PureView 808 90% of the time, which is very impressive. Some of this can be SW difference and addressed. If there are two sensors, small details however will always be on the I9500's side. Of course we're talking about 2-5% in difference, so nothing most ppl. will ever notice.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marci4na:
like in the iphone?

isn'it?

s3 was not able to do that!

i am interested to know if s4 is capable!

can anyone post some near shoot with flash?

in s3 there were an orrible lightblue effect all over the photo...as been correct?

thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
OK men as you wish...
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Another conspiracy from samsung?? We saw spec sheets with 1080p @ 60 fps during the launch of s4 , later it was removed and said the info was wrong. Just now went through sony's website for product info related to imx 135 exmor rs and shocked to see the support for 1080p @ 60 fps.

People can look through the product info here

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201208/12-107E/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Support is one thing, HW capabilities to actually pull it off is another. Both the SD600 and Exynos5 supposedly supports 1080p@60, but to pull continuous 40MBit recording with TouchWiz and Camera SW taking a lot of resources is probably the reason Samsung left this option out. Or that the Exmor R doesn't support it and they wanted no version differences. In any case developers can look into the thing on I9500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
i agree with the last point.. the hardware is definitely capable afaik.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Even the Exmor R can do 1080p60 according to the spec sheets. I wonder where the bottleneck is from.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Interesting. Maybe the framerate wasn't consistent enough at 40Mbit/s, maybe it will be featured later, or in the Note III. But one thing we must consider: small sensors mean exposure must go longer than 1/60s whenever the Sun goes down or your step into a room, rendering 60FPS recording useless or very noisy. Phones are struggling as they are in low light, I even notice frame drop to the 20s with the HTC One to capture more light, so there are simple photographic restrictions. It'd be a whole different story on a larger sensor, something Sony and Nokia have in store.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kultus:
Im very happy with the camera took amazing photos today but Im not happy with special camcorder functions...fastmotion is +-good but slow motion is horrible such a powerfull HW but the slowmo results are dissaster and on HTC one too cant understand it...even my samsung i8510 did 120fps video on QVGA and SGS4 at 800x450 and so ugly useless NO quality even for facebook just tell me WHY?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Not optimized software.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
WOW there's some GREAT pics here : http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=598366 :D

this looks unreal WOW :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
They sure are! No full-size unfortunately.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tft:
my first pana with the S4 (pier was destroyed last year from hurricane sandy)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Did you take these bone ? They are amazing !!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] whatthehckeric:
So what are the big differences between the i9500 and i9505 cameras? It's a lot of pages to go through...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Lol, It hands down ridicules competition. The HTC is losing focus all over the place, the SIV is very stable, accurate and clear.

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/sgs4.mp4

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/htc-one.mp4
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Agreed, and this coming from GSMArena, which is a big deal http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p9.php. Phone Arena also shows the HTC One is superior to the S4 in video recording as well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
lol , maybe the vid sucks only on the S600 version :eek:

even in phonearena preview GS3 - iP5 - HTC One - shoot better videos

but the russian review video look great ( but he have the Octa version ) :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
So the Exynos version has better video quality?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Closed Source Project:
Re: [PHOTOS] The Galaxy S4 user photos and camera discussion thread

No. Don't listen to him. None of these guys know. They're just being fanboys for the exynos version. Just wait for the device to get releases.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tokyohot777:
very nice
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
There are no version differences. Don't trust youtube videos since they are recoded, trust the original raw videos I posted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
These are HDR and indoor samples taken 2 weeks back (I9500). Clean and natural look, excellent white balance.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sohebq:
The indoor samples looks very clean, very less noise which is quite a good achievement. I wonder why (i)phonearena said that its worst.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Did they say that? In any case, all reviewers should split "low-light" category into two. Low-light in my view is just that, when there's enough light around so you see details, say late afternoon, terrible weather, limited artificial lights, these situations offer significantly lower light input yet no flash is necessary, nor hitting ISO400 and higher values where details are really lost, and the Galaxy SIV does very well here.

And then there should be a "no-light" test during the night (really challenging cause city lights are quite bright but in small spots whereas all other details are completely dark, so ISO or SW-brightening goes up to ugly results) and in a low-lit room without flash. To no surprise, the S4 struggles here with the Lumia 920 being the only phone that produces quality night shots. In the end I'd say ISO320 and the S4 hold steadily can do tolerable shots.

Dark night, ISO100 (shaky), ISO200 (shaky), ISO400 (steady), ISO800 (steady)

Various night and inside dark conditions

"Night Mode" set in the camera app, detail level is not bad, however in this mode color noise appears, I'd stick to ISO320 and steady hands
[Galaxy S 4 General] htcplussony:
I had been waiting for a site to compare the S4 to the Xperia Z because I was concerned about how bad the Xperia Z's pictures were coming out.

Ggsmarena did that in their VS review. Well now in a blog entry there's problems with the software on the Z so maybe the Sony Exmor RS sensor isn't so bad after all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Yep, seems the HTC One also had problems with it's software as well. Regarding the camera, Samsung seems to be the only one who's got it right, out of the gate, software wise. I expect more increases in quality from the Z and the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It's a true next generation mobile sensor Sony worked long on, Samsung wanted it for the Note II, it was just not ready at the time, Sony needed to get rid of the manufacturing issues HTC is facing currently. The IU135F3-Z (Exmor RS, F2.2 lens) is a very capable unit as seen in Oppo Find 5 samples (below) of low JPEG compression, Sony however went for an F2.4 lens probably to endure underwater pressure. The S4 however beats the Oppo too in noise, file size and low-light.

http://www.papayatop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/IMG20130122142117.jpg

http://www.papayatop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/IMG20130122131323.jpg

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nexusae0_IMG20130220134533814.jpg

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nexusae0_IMG20130220134448352.jpg

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nexusae0_IMG20130220134605556.jpg

http://www.mxphone.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/OPPO011.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
These pics have superior quality.

But do you believe that 50 millions Galaxy S4 will be equipped with The Sony Exmor RS sensor?

I really doubt it. My experience from S2 and S3...tells me otherwise.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
The pictures are nice in detail but pretty noisy for the (good) light conditions. Maybe Samsung can tweak that with its software
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
If they can ready 50M of other components I don't see how the image chip would prove troublesome, especially with Sony that supplies the even larger demands of the iPhone. But even if the chips prove something other than the Exmor RS, both S4 variants produce top-notch image quality only outshone by the PureView 808, so need not to worry, Samsung is a priority for all suppliers.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
the photos in th op is absolutely beautiful! its surely taken on s4 right?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Closed Source Project:
Re: [PHOTOS] The Galaxy S4 user photos and camera discussion thread

What kind of drugs were you on when viewing the photos from the s4??
[Galaxy S 4 General] osmosizzz:
Re: [PHOTOS] The Galaxy S4 user photos and camera discussion thread

The images are good but I feel like manufacturers are having a hard time coming up with the algorithms to completely take advantage of the sensor. Don't want to go there but I actually am waiting for Apple to release a device with the sensor and see how they optimize it. Will have to say that Apple does optimize the heck out of the camera sensors
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
You can always check the EXIF data. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
You only have to read a couple of posts back.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sohebq:
Does S4 allow to take such quick shots?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
It's pretty quick. There are some "stop time" shots in my post here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=41107891&postcount=308

(spinning bike wheel, aerial catch of flying disc, water from a hose)
[Galaxy S 4 General] DDN24:
How do you guys get so good shots? My S4 isn't that great compared to the photos here :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
How does such GS4 photos end up in htcmania forum?? Amazing photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] masterxie:
very nice!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
I had same problem and tried a friends which was far superior. Returned mine and awaiting replacement.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
So any experiences to share with 3rd party camera apps? Camera Zoom FX etc., how do these shots and speed of taking shots compare, any difference is auto or manual mode etc?
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
3rd party cameras don't seem to be stable on S4.

I tried few of them....none of them is fully working.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
I'm cherry picking what I'm taking pictures of. For example, in my disc catch picture, I was initially on the other side of the player so the sun was behind him a bit. I moved to the other side because I didn't like the shadows.

AOSP camera pictures:

Outdoors in bright sunlight. I don't like the result of this one, just posting to show I'm cherry-picking =). The camera chose ISO-50 1/2555s.

Close up picture (that stamp is 1.5 inches wide). No Macro. Took a couple tries before I was able to hold my hand still enough.

Captured part of the blue sky for comparison purposes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Took these today. Must say I was pretty impressed with what the S4 could do!

(Had to crop the last one, because my stupid thumb got in the way ;))
[Galaxy S 4 General] oXunknownXo:
Some of the pictures [MENTION=1057243]HTCmania[/MENTION] are mine, they were all taken with the snapdragon version. However, I have to point out that there is one picture, a Hotel main gate with huge HDR post processing, that hasn't been taken with the S4. That one was put there to explain how HDR works.

One thing we can try to compare the differences between both versions is to check the different camera specs we have as we did with the Galaxy S3 (GD and ZD versions), to check them out type this on the dialer:

*#34971539#

Then you will see the camerafirmware menu, tap on Phone/CAM FW Ver Check and all the info will be shown.

My 9505 says this:

CAM FW Ver: S13F0SAGB39

ISP FW Ver: S13F0SAGD10
[Galaxy S 4 General] stefyno:
...my S4 i9505!!...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zbdz15msd6p7sc/20130427_234441.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w8bcgv5mmshjab8/20130428_174733.jpg?m

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lscetqk39jhzb2p/20130428_174847_Richtone(HDR).jpg?m

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ftyt04msu4tnqx/20130428_174938_Richtone(HDR).jpg?m

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8mjv0cyzjcocvb4/20130428_175044_Richtone(HDR).jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6ymixrvoja9c9c/20130428_175305.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2jisv8dwt7atzyh/20130428_175347.jpg?m

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ts49zmal05ebid/20130506_171401.jpg

:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gho57:
Only one XD

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19351929/20130505_122434.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] DDN24:
Do you guys edit or process the photos after capturing or do you guys just post it raw here?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Mine are the jpg's directly from the camera except when cropped (always noted).
[Galaxy S 4 General] DDN24:
Also just wanna check if you guys remove the plastic film on the camera lens?

I tried removing it but it just wont budge.

anyway this is the night shot from the GT-I9505.

Very grainy.. but when I turn off night mode, the boats becomes completely black.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
I removed the ring. Try using a piece of tape to pull it off.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Indoors, medium light, night mode.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
That ring on the lens is odd.... just got my new s4. Much happier with this one. Screen brighter and camera better ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Remove the ring gently.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Taken with flash in a low light room
[Galaxy S 4 General] blue00mountain:
Someone help me please? I tried to take drama shots but the result is so much different than what I saw from other posts... you can see there's a lot of smear on the subject, while other posters have a much cleaner picture. And there is not much settings to.choose.too. any ideas?
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Put the person on the far left of your camera and let it pass slowly all the way to the far right.

DO NOT MOVE YOUR PHONE TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF THE SUBJECT.

Keep it steady to the middle.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Light conditions must be good to capture fast motion. I don't know if you can set ISO manually for drama shot, but if you can, set it high like ISO400 or 800.
[Galaxy S 4 General] blue00mountain:
Unfortunately, No. The ISO cannot be changed in drama mode..
[Galaxy S 4 General] DDN24:
HDR on:

Auto mode:

More photos taken in Auto mode:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
These from a Spanish site, full samples can be found clicking on the following link

http://www.celularis.com/analisis/samsung-galaxy-s4/
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Animated pic
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
Awesome!
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
coooool :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Here's my levitation animated pic from earlier in the thread, but uploaded to tinypic so you don't need to click a link to see it animated.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DDN24:
Animated image. Big file though, 10mb+
[Galaxy S 4 General] khoaitaychienvn:
Just took this morning: http://imgur.com/VRrzZ0U
[Galaxy S 4 General] Al Gore:
clickable

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f9177e253931030 if it doesn't show up
[Galaxy S 4 General] skrapi:
Hdr photo of my work
[Galaxy S 4 General] George_uk:
HDR mode i9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] vwirstam:
Skickat från min GT-I9505 via Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Niiice! Can you share it in full size?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ohraii:
Beautiful picture!

Sent from my Ancient Atrix 4G.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rikken:
Not sure how to do that . . . . . .
[Galaxy S 4 General] skrapi:
Some sunset shots
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
amazing animated photo

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Second one...beautiful
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Through ImageBam for example, works from phone browser.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Nice pic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Black&White
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Some pics I took today, downtown in Montreal.