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[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
totally agree

but HTC didn't say "here are some photos taken by professional photographers in very low light, look how great the colours are!"

to those that don't know any better, those are just "photos taken by professional photographers" - and to those people, they probably don't look very good.

i know they're relatively good, because i can see the lighting is poor - most of the people who saw HTCs post won't know that
[One (M7) General] JesseMT4G:
You people are crazy of you don't think those pictures take with the one aren't good.

What is wrong with you? For one, its a phone camera, not a dlsr. If you want amazing pictures, then spend your hard earned money on that. Who knows, maybe you have a future as a professional photographer, lol!

And DJ, don't you have an HTC one? If so, you get quite defensive in the s4 forums, yet here you are in the One forums doing the same thing.

Sent from a galaxy far away!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The most important photo is actually the first One

HTC is using the fastest shutter time in the industry, if HTC went ahead and used long exposure times instead, the quality will be multiplied

but for a mobile device in your pocket this shutter speed is essential you can grab anything without worrying about blurring it (hint Lumia 920)

the fact that ZOE start buffering action before you even press the shutter is a testament how everyone is underestimating this ability

here is another example of the shutter speed (the high contrast is because I have auto enhanced it with my One X)
[One (M7) General] drspikes:
Those shots are sadly not real world as it is easy to see they have been taken with professional lighting rigs. (multiple light sources, none from the direction of the lense). They are impressive but I prefer real people's examples.
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
Don't know what you mean by defensive.

The detail in the pictures is poor. I don't care what anyone says, I can see that with MY eyes. The colours in the pictures is good, I can see that with MY eyes. With my eyes I can also see that yes there is professional lighting in these photos, so it is stupid of HTC to provide these photos as a showcase to Joe Public - no one else will shoot in those conditions.

Yea, I'm about to get my One back, and I loved it while I had it, and will love it when I get it back; that doesn't stop me from being impartial with regards to the One / GS4 debate.
[One (M7) General] JesseMT4G:
You have extremely high standards for a camera on....a phone. Ultra pixel or not, it is still just a camera....on a phone.

Which IMO does quite well actually. I mean I don't think many of us on here are professional photographer's, so its in the end a regular persons opinion.

Everyone pretends to be an expert though....

And I am sorry you get your pants rustled pretty good in that huge thread you have going over there in the s4 thread. You basically back whatever you can in the One, yet somehow do opposite on this thread about the One.

I don't get it and have a hard time taking someone seriously when you are so wishy-washy.

Again, just my opinion, lol!

Sent from a galaxy far away!
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
What's hard to understand?

Some people over there make stupid claims about the One, and I am quick to set them straight. Likewise here some people are so blinded by fanboyism they can't admit there is anything to improve upon in the One.

Both types annoy me equally.

I don't know what you are trying to accuse me of here, being impartial? Lol... Although I will admit that yes it can be a rare sight on the forums...

Also please tell me at what point did I say the One wasn't a good camera?

I commented on those photos, stating that I didn't think they were a very good marketing tool, as personally I don't think they are overly good. Do you have a problem with that statement?

Really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here?
[One (M7) General] electrash:
I will say one thing.

HTC One will and it make pictures around 600kb - 1.3mb.

Those photos have 2.5MB (even 13mpx cameras with no comprassion hardly get this value).

So people, those photos are not fake, but also not HTC One photos.

Move on...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The declared megapixels of this camera are 4MP, the declared reason is bucking the megapixel race, the declared usage is social media, the promised compensation is the low MP are good low light performance which delivers as well as fast shutter speed

There are no surprises about the lack of detail

Its like agonizing that a certain car can only do its stated HP
[One (M7) General] katamari201:
The iPhone has had these "professional" photographer image collections for years. Even the 3GS can have stunning images. Any camera phone can. If you screw around enough with the settings, use tripods, expensive lighting, maybe even attach lenses, any camera phone can look great. It's just pure marketing crap that lots of stupid people continue to believe. Like watching a late night informercial for the shakeweight with guys with large biceps and toned women with bulging abs. It's from the official HTC blog no less! Smoking doesn't cause cancer!, says the Procter & Gamble funded study.
[One (M7) General] Maeldor:
Do you seriously believe those photos weren't taken with the HTC One? You really have no idea about compression, do you?

If you examine the EXIF data, you can clearly see they are taken with the HTC One, and they have also been post-processed. This is very likely why the size is high, because they were probably recompressed at a higher setting by the software (this is a bad thing, they could easily have been saved much smaller). The 1st and 3rd images (the two taken by Eric), were taken using Snapseed, not the stock camera app. And all 4 images were put through Picasa. The file size will be highly dependent upon the complexity of the image as well.

Personally, I don't think the demonstration is meant to be scientific. If it were, they would have explained the shooting conditions, made sure it was done with the stock app, and not had any filters or post-processing done to the image whatsoever. But in the end, as they intended, the photos were taken with the HTC One's camera, so however you get the end result doesn't matter, though you could say a bit deceiving for demonstrative purposes.

Also, I have no idea where you got such an arbitrary file size for 13 megapixel images. It'll depend upon how the camera saves it! Again, all down to compression. You actually seem to claim "with no comprassion [sic]" that it wouldn't reach 2.5 MB... Well, an uncompressed image (24bpp bitmap) would require around 37 MB, or 7 MB on average for a PNG. Nowhere near as low as 2.5 MB...
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
Here's an example of why I'm happy with the One's camera. I use my phone for general photos of the kids around the house. Even though it's not guaranteed to take amazing photos in average light,it's more likely to give a nice photo rather than a blurry mess .

Edit: second photo is SGS3
[One (M7) General] barondebxl:
I Just watched this video explaining the ultra pixel thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul3lgaU_lbY
[One (M7) General] manmikey:
I have been lurking on the forum as I am deciding between HTC one, SG4 and Lumia 920, for a smartphone camera the OP pictures look terrific, most of my pictures on My GS2 are taken indoors with low light conditions and are rubbish! I only ever look at them on a screen on phone tablet or pc and sometimes printed or uploaded to photo albums or moon pig, so for me the lack of zoomed in detail is a trade of I would be happy with for the fast shutter and low light performance. The smaller file size is a bonus for me too for uploading to flikr and drop box and storage on the devices

Zoe could be the deciding factor for me
[One (M7) General] -josh-:
This is a photo I took of my 10 week old puppy. I think my shot is pretty good and the only thing I have done to it is crop it.

I love the camera. This is the best phone camera I have used to date.

http://db.tt/ZSH6lWe8
[One (M7) General] wantommy:
The ultrapixel is awesome!!!!!
[One (M7) General] barondebxl:
Wow that looks pretty good.
[One (M7) General] drspikes:
Wow, agree. That's a great shot. Thank you.
[One (M7) General] Masami1975:
Congratulation... great pic!!!!
[One (M7) General] jontra_1:
After one week of usage, I am really impressed by this camera. All images taken look good. On my business iPhone5 and my old HOX I need several shots to get the right setting. Light is a real pain. Below some lux level it is impossible to get good images on iphone or HOX. With One camera it works even with little light. All in all you can say, one camera makes it possible to shoot photos in all situations.

When judging details..... Please open your eyes. Photos have much more details on background objects or dark elements. Other cams have problems capturing dark elements. They appear as black blocks. Ultrapixel is able to capture more details on poor enlightened objects in the background. In everyday usage you must arrange with all light conditions. Less light means less details on most smartphones.
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
yep - great shot

(better than any of the "professional" ones ;) )
[One (M7) General] Tetsumi06:
Some of the silliest arguments I have seen against the 4Mp of the One are along the lines of 'Yeah but it's going to look crap on my 64 inch 1080p tv.' Always leaves me wondering just which part of 1080p they are having trouble understanding.

In a few years time you might be able to buy a 4K UHD tv, the top spec of which will actually be 12.7Mp but will you really spend a 5 figure sum on a tv that can finally display a picture taken on your 3 figure phone? I certainly wouldn't.

What is a phone camera primarily used for? Ah, yes, taking quick snaps of your friends posing with the bile churning 'duck face' pose then posted to facebook (where it will be scaled down to be displayed on, at max, 80% of a 1080p laptop display.)

Can I see a use for 13Mp? Not really. Maybe if I took a picture of my mates (in perfect lighting of course) whillst they're 30 yards away then I could crop the picture down to just the relevant part (probably in the region of what? 2 to 4Mp of the original?) and post that crop to facebook. Alternatively I could have just taken a few steps forward to take the picture.

If I'm going rambling and intend to take some great pictures of sights (say from the top of Snowdon) then YES I will take a 12Mp picture. Granted, that sensor is buried deep in the heart of my DSLR camera, has a decent pixel size (much like the One) and also allows me to slap a selection of lenses on the business end.

Anyway, think that's enough rambling for one post. TTFN.
[One (M7) General] smudgelab:
Just taken this one...

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[One (M7) General] john291:
Wow is that realy with the htc one?

And wich firmware?

If so ...then i think i am gonne reorder the htc one after my cancelation.....
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
haha! majestic!
[One (M7) General] androidindian:
Looks awesome
[One (M7) General] Lyechee:
Pics looks really awesome, but did anybody try to zoom and give a feedback?
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Hate to say this as I am a HTC One fan. But lies!!!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niksoftware.snapseed

They're stating that the images was uploaded directly from the camera but looking at the EXIF data shows that a photo editing software was used before uploading it.

Check it yourselves by downloading the original images on the blog.

http://blog.htc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/HTC-One-Coin-Bounce.jpeg

http://blog.htc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/HTC-One-Peacock-Feather.jpeg
[One (M7) General] bengadget:
True. Of all mobile phone pictures, 99.5% of them, despite number of the megapixels, will ONLY be seen on the phone, on Facebook or on a forum post. They'll never be printed, blown up, made into a poster, etc. This is all just a (arguably deserved) backlash to HTC's Apple-like marketing hype. That's the only reason people are pretending that they suddenly need their phone to take pictures that will appear in a magazine.
[One (M7) General] barondebxl:
These pics are amazing. Your dog knows how to strike a pose :D
[One (M7) General] xXxG0dzRAgexXx:
At least is taken by the One and not being edited my a professional program like Photoshop. Snapseed is a free application that's easy to use. I use it when I don't feel like taking an image to Photoshop and want to make a quick easy edit. So it's not like its impossible for any consumer to achieve these results. Just have to edit it a bit to there liking.
[One (M7) General] muayyadf1:
I don't care after seeing this thread, Camera is amazing period.
[One (M7) General] epicfailguy2:
Guys arnt you all tired of masturbating on which whatever somehow what the is the best camera phone by looking at minor details noise iso blahblah get a DSLR already... that you wouldnt even notice or give a damn if it was one of your friends showing you a picture of his vacation at the café machine ?
[One (M7) General] edyboy:
I visited SGS2 forum, Best photo you've taken on the GS2

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1139591&page=289

I really like HTC One but seeing the pictures on that forum from a 2 yr old 8MP camera is way better. You be the judge. I think megapixel does really matter :(
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
wether we like it or not megapixels matter and equally the one camera is a very well equipped camera

u don't only get low light, u get OIS (if bugged but working perfectly in videos), F2.0, super fast shutter along with it, very good HDR, as well as excellent macro

there is no bluffing, HTC is giving you a package but its a compromise non the less

weight your options and decide

the way I see it, the photo thread is enough to make a decision

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2169626&page=60
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
Point out some individual photos. From what I see, it's good at well lit pictures of stationary objects and scenery, as you would expect
[One (M7) General] edyboy:
Well, I just look at the end of the thread going backwards and I saw some stunning pictures especially the nature photograph. They kinda sharper in my opinion. Well anyway camera is not my priority. I am more into screen and HTC One is no doubt one if not the best LCD screen to date. I'm gonna wait and compare it with SGS4 when both are available in our country. I'm gonna decide which one will please my eyes and not rely with impression of others.
[One (M7) General] NZtechfreak:
Interesting that the professional chose shots that are all macro/close subject shots, where the One camera performs best and its weaknesses are the least exposed. Not saying the camera is bad or anything, don't get me wrong, but these don't represent a very wide range of shooting scenarios and naturally these were chosen to specifically flatter the One camera. I'd have expected more inspiring shots from a professional.
[One (M7) General] -josh-:
Nice lab and photo, my puppy is a huskador the result of an athletic Labrador who managed to scale a 6ft fence to get to my dads husky. Where there's a will there's a way :)

(sorry for the off topic dog talk)

I don't know if you are attempting to troll or what. There has been a lot made of Samsung's decision to go with a 4mp camera. As I have stated I enjoy this phones camera and find it produces the best pics, imo, of any phone I have used so far.

That said I do not use my phone's camera for anything other than day to day photos I keep on my phone. I also own a compact and use my dads cannon dslr or my brothers Nikon on occasion if I take photos I want made into prints or anything else but I don't know anything about the technology it's pretty lost on me I just know what I like.

Whilst you might not enjoy a thread like this people find it informative or it helps them decide if the camera will be good enough for them.

As for masturbating they are not them type of pics you need to be at xxx-developers.com for that, I don't know maybe you got confused.

Peace

p.s. Thanks for the nice comments on my photo I was pretty pleased with it and wanted to share it.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Rick, the photographer has a a flikr account showing tons of other photos

But yes ofcourse don't expect much from cityscape shots on 4MP
[One (M7) General] abc27:
The HTC One's low resolution is a big issue if you like to view your photos at full resolution. It simply won't be able to compete with cameras that offer twice or three times the resolution when it comes to detail. It's not a matter of opinion either, that's simple fact.

HTC's camera's lower aperture and bigger pixel size should have technically afforded it better low light performance than its competitors but that hasn't went as well as HTC hoped for. The S4 and many other competing phones offer the same if not at times better (Due to higher resolution) low light performance. On the whole, the HTC One's camera's image quality is a disappointment (Save for video where the resolution doesn't matter as much and the optical image stabilisation makes it much better than the competition). The only thing going for it when it comes to taking photos is the shorter focal length (wide-angle) which is more versatile.

That, however, is not to say that the HTC One can't take good photos. It's not as good as its competitors when it comes to detail but sharpness isn't what necessarily makes a good photo. I've taken better photos on 4/5 MPx phones than I have on my DSLR (With prime lenses and filters and all the fixings).

Basically, the HTC One's camera isn't the best but it's not as big of a dealbreaker as people seem to think it is.

(Either way, i'm going from the One X to either the S4 or the One. I prefer the One but i'm waiting to see if the One will get S-OFF any time soon. If not, it's the S4 for me)
[One (M7) General] Silellak:
From what I've read, you can, theoretically, take better low-light pictures with the iPhone and S4, but it might require multiple shots to get a usable image. The One seems to be better when it comes to the ability to quickly take a low-light shot and actually get a usable photo.

Also, here is a great comparison of low-light video performance and audio capture. Spoiler: The One blows everyone away.

http://youtu.be/d5NFpddZ958?t=4m10s

Of course, to be fair, the S4 isn't part of this video.
[One (M7) General] muayyadf1:
I think HTC One camera will make me develop some photography skills LOL.
[One (M7) General] GeneralLee79:
Here's one i took on the first day I had the phone.
[One (M7) General] joslicx:
Pretty darn amazing shot from a phone camera. People are just criticizing the 4MP camera for the heck of it. I guess actual users should be happy enough. Let the rest of the world go bonkers.
[One (M7) General] domperfater:
wow

The best I've ever seen from a phone. UltraPixel rocks.:cool:
[One (M7) General] coupetastic-droid:
Yup, if they would see a 13 there instead of a 4, no one would be saying anything about it. They would praise it. Even if it took crappy pictures with a 13mp camera. They see 13 is a higher number then 4, so it "has" to be better.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no ill tell you the proper scenario for those so called reviewers

"mmm i know the experts said megapixels don't matter and now HTC lets see how it fairs

ill just take a 13MP image and take a 4MP from the HTC One, like an average user, at defaults of course

this looks nice > full 100% crop > compare> OMFGGGGGGGGGGGG ultra pixels sucks

off to finish my review"

:o

its like when you invite an iPhone user to try Android and he buries it in few hours

conclusion:

Old habits die hard :)
[One (M7) General] Adam182:
So true! the cropped images are such BS its annoying.

I absolutely love the One camera, as i said before HTC won me over by making a bold move with the camera and after seeing some of the photos on here that move it fully justified and then some...

- Adam
[One (M7) General] john291:
Wow you stole my cat lol....its exactly my cat..

But wow what a detail in this picture absolute great man....

Even better then my proffesional camera.....:good:
[One (M7) General] stesa:
got from a sly mate of mine
[One (M7) General] sailio:
4 ultrapixels is not 4 megapixels.
[One (M7) General] salada2k:
I remember my old Nikon coolpix 3.2 mp camera took absolutely amazing photos. Was one of the best cameras I've ever owned. I remember people saying that 5mp point and shoots weren't great because they didn't let in enough light, and that you're better off with a 4mp camera. Then the marketers came in and brainwashed everyone into thinking that more megapixels equals better shots. Its rubbish and maybe only applies to proper DSLR's.

Case in point, 4 ultra pixels should in theory be amazing!
[One (M7) General] diggedy:
This guy speaks the truth

---------- Post added at 06:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:41 AM ----------

I wouldn't even say it applies to dslrs. You only need more mp if your going to be printing large or doing a lot of cropping. Put a 12 mp dslr against a 24 and you will see little difference in the images other than file size. Start cropping or blowing up the image and that's where the difference is apparent.
[One (M7) General] Tilde:
If that is best from a phone, then what do you think of these?

Was not able post a link,(new user) but try to google lassi kujala nokia 808, .....lassikujala.1g.fi/kuvat/muut/N808....

Sorry for the off topic, but just for comparison...from a phone...
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Sorry i disagree with you and remember i actually have the phone. At full crop it wont compete of course, and i don't really care about that, but just viewing the pictures at full screen its clear the One is behind for most shots. Ive had some really terrible shots come out of this phone.

A lot of the good shots posted on this forum have been macro shots or close ups, and area the One really seems to excel at, but for pretty much anything else, it sucks. Who does those sort of shots on a camera phone? I want to take random shots of a wide range of things, often objects at a distance, and the One is really bad at that.

Megapixels arent everything, but right now, its the worst camera in a phone ive had in some years.

You criticise people for using the default values, but this is a PHONE. We shouldn't have to set up each picture with tripods and light meters etc. We want good, random shots, the very type of shots HTC are saying people take with phones. We arent getting that, its that simple.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and the entire photo thread samples are lying in your opinion? and no its not only macro in those samples

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39841625&postcount=3640

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39085880&postcount=2205

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39878466&postcount=3698

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39878776&postcount=3699

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39715568&postcount=3516

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=39889961&highlight=shox22#post39889961

i criticize reviewers for not discovering the settings and educating the buyers

tripod? light meter? are you trolling

no one ever suggested this and non of the photo posters did either!
[One (M7) General] jonstatt:
Yes they are. They are exactly the same. The reason for this marketing gimmickry is because the sensor size is larger than most phone camera sensors but still smaller than many compact digital cameras. HTC had a good idea to focus on quality rather than more pixels, but they don't seem to have pulled it off. Either the sensor is not as good as hoped or the firmware needs a lot more work. However you spin the marketing though it is in fact a 4 megapixel camera.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
they did, have a look at my posts above and try to visit the photo thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2169626&page=82

where we are doing some actual productive work and analysis instead of simply nagging