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[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
I don't think some of you understand the big.LITTLE architecture of the Exynos 5 as implemented in the GS4.

It has 4 slower, low power A7 cores and 4 faster A15 cores. The GS4 does not support big.LITTLE MP, so the A7 and A15 cores can't be used at the same time. Depending on the workload, the chip will either use 4 A7 cores or 4 A15 cores. So it's really like a quad core chip in practice. Some people here are talking like it can use all 8 cores at the same time and therefore must be faster than the quad core Snapdragon 600 variant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
This has been discussed to death and points have been made pretty clearly,HMP would be supported in future,Don't you people ever get tired of this exynos "octa"(and that creates a controversy:D) bashing?
[Galaxy S 4 General] CQ7:
Exyons version have 3.4.5 linux kernel while SD600 version has 3.4.0, what are the differences between the two versions?
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
We know you can't stand the sight of Samsung anymore but by now you're just spewing absolute bull****. Take the fact that beyond the original CES announcement in January Samsung Mobile hasn't mentioned the CPU once at all beyond a 1-line in its specification list regarding the processor, all the drama is created by the users and nothing else.

Way to lower the level of the discussion to the lowest common denominator, screw constructive contributions right?

Again, excuse, me, but what? It does support it. It does have 8 cores. They are capable of running all at the same time.

By now this whole idiocy is about a technically correct naming convention of a piece of hardware. It doesn't matter if the software is lagging several months behind and cannot make full use of it; and it frankly shouldn't matter in the least to Samsung Semi in regards to their marketing name of the chip.

If people are lacking education about heterogeneous multiprocessing, that's another problem altogether and has nothing to do with the facts at hand. HMP isn't going away any time soon and other manufacturers will be doing the same.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Everything I've seen says the GS4 supports standard big.LITTLE, not big.LITTLE MP, meaning only 4 cores at a time. Just because it has 8 cores doesn't mean it can use them all at once.

Edit: When detailing the Exynos 5 architecture at ISSCC '13, Samsung said it's possible to use both core clusters in parallel, but their initial implementation will just allow you to run on the A7 or A15 clusters and switch based on performance requirements.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
is Samsung using Wolfson DAC on the I9505 ??

the results seems really from Wolfson DAC :confused::confused:

edit : here's the results from another device using Snap S600
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
And just because you've missed information doesn't mean that you can claim something as a fact from simple deduction and elimination.

Aside that this is pretty much the same ARM architecture as on the TC2 test chip which has been in silicon and running MP since <October, the above has been confirmed back in December. I hope we're cleared up here now?

Their initial software implementation, the HMP code has been pushed to https://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=arm/big.LITTLE/mp.git;a=summary in the middle of February.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Nope, not cleared up. I realize the chip technically CAN support MP (Multi-processing), but I don't think the GS4 does right now based on Samsung's own statement. When detailing the Exynos 5 architecture at ISSCC '13, Samsung said it's possible to use both core clusters in parallel on Exynos, but their initial implementation will just allow you to run on the A7 or A15 clusters and switch based on performance requirements.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
See my above post. They're not going to magically change silicon; they're talking about software implementation. If the silicon wouldn't be able to support it then they wouldn't say that it supports it in the first place.

The kernel patches are already available: https://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=arm/big.LITTLE/mp.git;a=summary

The whole thing is controlled by generic ARM architecture dependencies; the GIC/CCI and very little is platform dependent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] codeworkx:
Cause i'm a Sony fanboy and cause BOOGEYMAN. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] mithun46:
LOL!

I am not from Samsung or anywhere.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
I know the silicon supports it and I know there are kernel patches to enable, but I still don't think the GS4 is MP enabled out of the box based on what Samsung said in February. Once Anandtech gets a GS4, I'm sure Brian will run some tests and figure out whether it has MP enabled out of the box or not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Andreilux have u decided what version to get yet?

I hope u get the i9505 :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Oh dear :eek: No it won't support MP out of the box. And we don't need AnandTech either to check that.

Make up your mind about what you want to argue about. Are you complaining about the software, or are you complaining about the hardware? Are you complaining about the chip, or about the phone?

Because to me it seems basically what you're asking here is for Samsung to name the chip "Quad+" and then once the kernel is updated, to rename a piece of hardware back to "Octa", which is beyond stupid.

Definitely not getting the 9505, and waiting to see when the 9500 is available at a reasonable price.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Are you mixing up my comments with someone else's? Unlike codeworkx, I don't care that they named it Octa. I think that naming is correct. I was just pointing out that right now, the Exynos GS4's software doesn't allow all eight of its cores to work simultaneously. Since it only uses either an A7 core or an A15 core, but not both at the same time, it acts more like a quad core chip currently. Maybe it will get an update some day and that will change, but I don't buy phones for what they might be in the future. I learned that lesson long ago, from Samsung ironically!
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
You've been talking about big.LITTLE and Exynos 5 architecture, your first post on topic was about "The Exynos 5 does not support big.LITTLE MP", the ISSCC conference is about semiconductors and chips.

If you've been talking about the GS4 including software as a whole, then yes, we agree. You've just been expressing yourself wrongly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Yes, I realize the confusion now. I meant to say, the Exynos 5 as implemented in the GS4 (software). My bad. Went back and added GS4 to my posts to make them more clear.
[Galaxy S 4 General] johnbhoy89:
Just want my phone already, the wait is killing me
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
You totally forgot why we are here in xda. :D who cares about stock kernels and their implementation. Most of us here will run custom kernels former the very first day it get released.

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION]

Your country is getting octa version right? When is it getting launched?

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] shadym1lkman:
As soon as Kernel 3.8 drops the 5410 should automatically be able to control each core and run all or any combination of the 8 (MP). Heres to hoping that Android 5 comes with the 3.8 kernel esp now with an even newer 3.9 on the way very soon. Then id love to see new benchmarks!

Itll be a more interesting challenge for the community to exploit and overclock an unrestricted chipset. Can you imagine threshold mapping for all 8. Ive only worked with the A8 which is single core, so its exciting to wait and watch.

Ideally, it would have been perfect (for me) if the 9500 had LTE but ive been waiting so long for A15, im just gonna go ahead and jump in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Though I haven't read much about the kernel 3.8 and it's new features I highly doubt if samsung will adapt it in their TouchWiz based android 5 roms. Let's hope they use it.

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nephilim-Giant:
I9500 on T-Mobile?

I'm wondering if you guys think i9500 on T-Mobile is a good idea?

T-Mobile does not have LTE in our area and probably won't have LTE on our area for 2-3 years.

Is it worth getting the i9500, if it's compatible, on the T-Mobile network?
[Galaxy S 4 General] shadym1lkman:
What Im reading: "Samsung wont update the GS4 to Android 5"

What I think youre saying: "Samsung needs to implement the features of the kernel in their makeover of Android 5 into TouchWiz"

The reality is that if A5 does use K3.8 (patched by linaro) samsung doesnt actually need to do anything for the hardware (its already capable) IKS is sufficient for launch but ARM is pushing Linaro for HMP mid year.

The touchwiz layer is so far removed from the CPU scheduler that its like saying the paint on a car will change the engagement of the clutch. In this metaphor kernel 3.8 would be a transmission moving from 4 gears to 8.

notes pdf from linaro explaining the progress, no date however: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-pHa-IO85YxF8ew&bvm=bv.45373924,d.dmg&cad=rja

Blog post covering the subject more concisely: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/11/26/big-little-processing-implementations-and-current-status/
[Galaxy S 4 General] muhamet:
Codeworkx you will buy snapdragoni9505???
[Galaxy S 4 General] codeworkx:
no. none of both.

moving away from samsung.

Sent Form my CM powered Sony Xperia Z.
[Galaxy S 4 General] muhamet:
Sory for that best cyanogen porter for samsung galaxy1,2,3.Good luck whit sony
[Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
No need to worry, there will be so much development for the s4i9505 it will most likely be overwhelming.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Same here, where I live there just will not be LTE for years to come since its rural and in hills away from big cities. i9500 is a clear choice for the superior chip set.
[Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
You gotta worry about development for it tho. As everyone knows, not too many people are keen about working with exynos. For that reason alone ill be getting the tried and true snapdragon

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Honestly the only noticeable difference between the 2 will be battery life. And it will be minuscule at best. And since the s4 has a removable battery (win), it doesn't matter to me. At this point, any performance differences between all these high end smart phones, especially the 2 variants of the s4, will be negligible. You can shove antutu benchmarks in my face, but they're both over 20,000 or whatever, that's more than good enough for anyone's daily use. Its more than enough for a heavy power user
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
I completely agree but for that reason there will be users who go to one or the other for different needs. Those looking for the fastest CPU will pick the Exynos variant but other than that there is not a big difference other than DAC. I am a power user and that matters to me most. Believe me I have a Qualcomm chip now and it just doesn't meet my expectations. Kernels can do wonders for handling but they can't fix the heat issues I have on a Qualcomm SOC. I've seen the volt and frequency table for the Qualcomm variant and it uses similar ranges current chip uses just a slightly lower voltage. I know by the experience I had so far on Qualcomm that I will not buy one again. Support is everywhere but besides the point when CPU,GPU and radios heat up so much performance tanks. The reasons you outlined to get the one you are is good. There will be different users looking for different variants just because there is a clear difference in handling and development for the two variants. Its likely as follows, majority users on Qualcomm one and minority on international one and will go through a very bumpy ride development wise. Your statement is true for the average user, not many need a smart device capable of over 20k score in antutu. I can't wait to get i9500 and I hope you get your non international one too :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Anyone know what audio chip is in s600 ? UK not getting the sammy chip with wolfson chip in :(

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[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
I heard wolfson is only on exynos

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
So adding onto the better battery/processor performance, it's also a very significant gain as far as audio? Really makes the choice harder between that and the Snap600 with LTE. I live in the suburbs where Sprint has "fair" LTE coverage, and I'll soon be moving to Minnesota where I've heard they get pretty good 4G with T Mobile. It would be easy if I knew for sure 4G would be utter crap anywhere I go, so the 9500 would be a slam dunk choice. But without knowing that I'd prefer the possibility of better speeds.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Smoothface:
The DAC in the Snapdragon S4 looks to be quite good based on the audio test above. If the Exynos version is using a Wolfson DAC it may end up with some more sound flexibility, but I am starting to wonder if it is even a noteworthy difference. Even among the true audiophiles, how much of a difference would be noticed? Who knows, maybe the Snapdragon DAC could be superior?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ilabs:
I9505x??

I was just going through the Samsung Singapore website when I came across this. Check the screenshot below.

Whats the difference between the I9505 and I9505x??
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Sometimes phones have different numbers or name designations in other countries. It's just the S600 version and the Exynos version. Can't see it being anything else. X probably stands for Exynos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ilabs:
I'm not so sure.. The exynos version is I9500..

Ok, I searched around a bit more and this is what some of the countries' samsung websites show:

India - I9500

Singapore - I9505, I9505X

UAE - I9500, I9505X

Malaysia - I9500

UK - I9505, I9505X

Phillipines - I9505, I9505X

Hong Kong - I9500, I9505, I9505X

The above somewhat correspond with the leaked news by sammobile of which country will get which version, exynos or SD600.

I also found this link

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Galaxy-S-IV-LTE-GT-I9505X-Receives-Approvals-in-Indonesia-336520.shtml

which calls the I9505X as the S4 LTE. Does this mean that even in the SD600 version there shall be LTE and non-LTE variants?
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I thought all the S600 variants came with LTE. Perhaps in some countries it doesn't, tough to say for sure, wait and see.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ilabs:
I thought the same.. Yeah, its a waiting game..
[Galaxy S 4 General] pratik.shivarkar:
I hope I get my hands on it soon
[Galaxy S 4 General] s44:
Yes, yes it does -- or rather the implementation, since the DAC is probably the same. And don't forget the flatter response curve.

Those are GSM Arena's numbers after retesting, right? Notice that both the S4 *and* the One numbers improved about 10db on noise and dynamic range from the original test last month, and the site still only has S600 benchmarks for the S4. So I'm guessing the Qualcomm DAC is a lot better than original reports indicated, and that the LG tests are with the old methodology and would be higher if redone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] opz187:
Either way we'll still be sgs4 brothers
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Yesss!

I just received the announcement LTE is now free for all plans of my carrier, who now belittle LTE will regret sooner or later, but ofcourse only for those from countries that have already LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] squabbi:
Where are you located and what carrier? :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Guys... checked on my i9500 and I believe all 8 cores do work together at the same time. My soft version is dated 17 apr 2013... I went into the developers menu option and checked show cpu activity.... guess what... 80% of the time only four shows working but then all 8 pops out for a while and then get back to four again. I m pretty sure i9500 is able to use all 8 cores at the same time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Seriously? I can't believe that, well how do you measure that ? Can you post some screen shots? Also can you run linpack and post your results here?

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

The other side of XDA :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Portugal and my carrier is Optimus

I use a cheaper plan because i have too a work phone.

17€/month

120 minutes

1GB

And now i can use my 1GB with 4G, but 1st need a LTE phone. :D

”acess interned and apps with 3G or 4G"

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1329/20130419122903.jpg

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[Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
People don't quite understand the term free...I see a lot of people saying LTE is free or soon will be. Yet they are still paying for data/there plan so it really isn't free it just costs the same as 3G did. Just cause the price is the same doesn't mean the superior product is free.

That's like buying a plain hamburger for $3 and than going back and buying a double hamburger for $3 and claiming the double hamburger is free...its not free, your still paying for it...your just getting more for your money. -sorry for food analogy...just woke up and I'm hungry :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
btw..your setting background is white or black? :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
That would kill the battery if that's the case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Yes, ofcourse they dont give it for free, but at least i dont have to pay extra money for 4G, now is part of my plan, as well coverage is growing day by day.

I only mention this because many users despised LTE justifying the extra cost, sooner or later will be included in any plan as is starting be in many carriers .

I already used LTE from a friend phone and the experience is totally different, everything opens and runs faster/smooth compared to 3G.

Just blame Sam for not launch Exynos with LTE, is a tremendous failure in my opinion, but im ok with S600. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Was light blue and following latest update dated 17/4 it is black.

What I noticed is that the camera 360 mode that I used to have before have been taken off for some reason.

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I agree with you in a sens.... with my old note 2 I coyld easily go through the whole day and still had juice... with the i9500 mid day charging is a must ... :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Sounds like the I9500 has worse battery life than the 505? - I9505 has had praise about how it gets through the day but then again we all got different usage :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Whoa, you are coming to a conclusion on seeing a single post? 9500 will have better battery life than 9500,the extent of the difference varies per scenario

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] s44:
Tegra 3 was battery competitive with SoCs an entire process node smaller. That's massive success.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
The Exynos seems incredible and will turbo to 1.8ghz if needed if not in full quad core usage.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=40470241
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
[MENTION=1051894]bouzoubaa[/MENTION]...can u screenshot cpu spy app?
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
One things which makes me LOL is the camera quality. It has 13 mb, yes, but compare GT-I9500, GT-I9505 and GT-I9300:

http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=5125&idPhone2=5371&idPhone3=4238

S3 kicks S4 ass, at least at now. Updates expected...
[Galaxy S 4 General] system.img:
Have you seen the samples? They are almost close to my point and shoot's quality!

Much better than the S3. Maybe there is something wrong with GSMArena's compare tool.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Not really, compare all three on ISO chart. S3 is more sharp. But if I remember well, that happened with S3 when it was released. I'm sure they will update the firmware bit after.
[Galaxy S 4 General] stanley08:
I had my S3 for 4 months. Never recorded one Video! -_- I will be fine with my S4 :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Here are screenshots
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Same here. I don't care about camera, but seeing the comparative made me lol :D

Have you made any screenshots of benchmarks if you have the Exynos Octa version?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Which one you want and I ll upload screenshots for.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Paparasee:
Guys,

Am hoping to get the S4 on release (yeah, wanted to wait for the "X", but my Phone is now basically dead :( )

Went through this thread and see the pros and cons of the Octa and 600. Can someone please tell me or rather confirm that I am right in thinking that:

9500 = Octa

9595 = Quad (600)

Thanks :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] darkkain:
i9500 octa 2x4 cores

i9505 snapdragon, 4G

Wysłane z Galaxy S3
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Glbenchmark and Antutu please. Thank you

9500 = octa

9505 = snapdragon s600
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
GT-I9500:Exynos 5410 Octa (no support for 4G, A15 quad core clocked at 1.6Ghz, A7 quad core clocked at 1.2Ghz, PowerVR SGX 544MP3 GPU clocked at 532mhz. )

GT-I9505:Snapdragon S600(with krait 300 quad core cpu clocked at 1890Mhz and adreno 320 GPU clocked at 450mhz), support for 4G.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Here is Antutu results
[Galaxy S 4 General] osmosizzz:
Can you share how is battery life on this version. Those are serious scores.

Sent from my Oppo Find 5
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Comparable to the s3 battery life. But me being used to the note2 huge battery, I m a little power hungry.

I m sure that Samsung will optimise its kernel and battery will become even better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
[MENTION=1051894]bouzoubaa[/MENTION] can u please do ( sunspider - Kraken ) test in stock browser + Chrome :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Here you are. Stock browser and chrome.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Thanks bouzoubaa. So it's confirmed, Sammobile was right, even at 1.6 GHz, Exynos kills every phone in the market. Thanks mate
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
You re welcome mate. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mehdy_:
[MENTION=1051894]bouzoubaa[/MENTION] hi! First of all thank you very much for your precious information!

Can you please tell us for sure if the GT-I9500 have 4G LTE conectivity? Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
The unit I dispose of doesn't have lte for sure. Future plans as I headed do have LTE with octa core but most probably only in limited asian countries . Dont know more than that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Great...

May I also request you to run following browser benchmarks (default browser, forget Chrome) --

Sunspider

Browsermark

Google Octane

Peacekeeper

Always too much interested in browser performance. That's my primary usage.

Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
great :good:

my N2

stock

Chrome beta

:cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Glotttis:
Yeah and S4 destroys S3 in every other aspect.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
And here you go.
[Galaxy S 4 General] darkkain:
Now we know which version of S4 we will choose -> Exynos 5 Octa supports LTE and all 20 bands :)

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/28/samsung-exynos-confimed-lte-exynos-5-octa/
[Galaxy S 4 General] emylia777:
That's a great news! :)

Still some people would opt for the SD variant because CM founder himself would support it. Those who don't really care about having their S4 CM-supported, Exynos variant would be the best choice imo.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
So you're saying that it will work in the US bands? If this is true then OCTA it is!
[Galaxy S 4 General] r1sh12:
where did you get the save $150 from? They will be the same price no?