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[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
So GT-I9500 is exynos octa

and GT-9505 is snapdragon.

If you want Snap 600 get HTC. Is better build quality and with cyanogen in future.

But 600 got adreno 320. I'm using Xperia Z and I hate this little chipset.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Don't forget that soon can be between one week and one year :D

Why...what it made wrong that you hate it now ? LOL

Not 4G here and I don't care about it. I'm happy with the 3G, but if Octa have no LTE I was expected to have a great GPU, not only processor.

All I can get from all this benchmarks is that:

GT-I9505 - great for games

GT-I9500 - great for people listening music (greater audio and battery life)

Samsung can change the names in Galaxy S4 Gamer Edition and Music Edition

¬¬
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
i wasn't talking about that :D

Ipads are always best in performance (according to glbenchmark) and if glbenchmarks are biased towards apple devices, then PowerVR gpu s might not be superior, the way they are shown to be.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
May be be he additional core in the iPad is doing the trick

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] __NBH__:
People saying that the I9500 will have better battery life, I'm not so sure. Unless you are running a custom kernel, how will you stop the CPU going over 1.2ghz all the time and activating the power hungry A15 cores?

On my S2 when you run any app or ask it to do a task like media scanning it tries to do it as fast as possible and uses the max CPU speed available.

I agree the smaller cores will be better for battery but then you are basically limited to a quad core 1.2ghz phone.

Surely the only way it will work properly is if the kernel is optimised to only go over 1.2ghz in extreme cases or the octa is overall more efficient and uses less voltage at the same frequencies as the snapdragon?
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
On Adreno 320 games are not that smooth for me like on Mali 400 I can only imagine how powerful is new Octa processor and how superior is next generation the "PowerVR SGX 544MP3"

Everything will smooth as butter.

What about gt-9505 ? fuk this sh_it !! Is FAKE for me. I remember Samsung is "Exynos". It's like BMW with "M", or Mercedes with AMG.

Who need Samsung with SNAP 600 and ****_ty adreno 320 ???? You want that ? Get HTC one ! Is better build and with Cyanogen in future
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Your Adreno 320 on your Xperia performs worse than the "Enhanced" Adreno 320 in the S600. They are almost different GPU's..

Qualcomm should have called the S600 version the Adreno E320, to avoid confusion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
ohh pleasssee man
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Please what? You don't like facts? Stop spewing your buyers remorse laden BS in here. We have gameplay vids showing this Adreno 320 is excellent, you don't like it? Too bad.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Take it easy...keep your poison inside.

Qualcomm APQ8064T Snapdragon 600 comes with Adreno 320.

Adreno 320 is ****y gpu compare to PowerVR SGX 544MP3.

Until you thinking what is better I already tried Experia z and HTC one....so please man. ADRENO 320 IS GARBAGE !
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Prove it!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jercote:
All benchmarks and gameplay videos, so far, demonstrate that the adreno 320 in the i9505 is superior.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
very strange man. something is wrong bro
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
I don't think Samsung planned to fail that much with their CPU, adding the PowerVR. They could easily add at least 4 cores or 8 cores. However, 3 should be enough. Something is not right, I know, because 1 month ago there were benchmarks and proofs that PowerVR is 2-3 times better than Adreno 320. But with the recents tests something is not right. Even the same tests made on a double core PowerVR 533 are better than the one in Octa. Sometimes tells me that the GPU is not optimized or those benchmarks are not 100% optimized for 8 cores cpu.

[MENTION=3192507]-]Megacharge[-[/MENTION]: Enhanced = overclocked

Overclocked = Adreno 320 (S600) vs Adreno 320 (other cpus) and PowerVR 544 (iphone) vs PowerVR544 (S4). That's all, nothing more
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Regardless, the enhanced Adreno 320 is an excellent GPU, and should have been differentiated in name, to reflect it's performance difference from those in the S4 Pro's.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Maybe it is....but like: rev.1, rev. 2

LE:

Check this out ! Exynos is smoked. What we should expect now ? PowerVR GPU smoking Adreno and Exynos going over 30 k ? LOL

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40578698&postcount=255
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
That's correct, it's a significantly higher performance revision.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
hmmm

Octa

Snap s600

:cyclops:

i'm still thinking there is somthing wrong with Exynos Octa ( compared to Tegra 4 ) both based on ARM A15 :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Little off the mark, but the stock kernel can limit the number of A15's on the 9500, so in that regard there's no need for custom kernels or anything. The stock ROM probably even uses that funciton in battery saving mode.

It's the exact same GPU only clocked 50MHz higher. Whatever differences other than that might come from drivers or increased memory bandwidth from the SoC.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Currykiev:
I was umming and ahhing over S4 and HTC One, then realised if I wanted an S4 I was going to be getting an SD600, and as I'm impatient got the HTC One on an impulse.

Now I understand that people want the fastest phone available, I'm one of those guys, but I couldn't wait any longer as I'm coming from an S2 which I got on release day (here in UK) so it's been 2 years and I NEEDED a new phone :) Having had the HTC for a week now, and assuming the S4 is going to have similar performance (SD600 version) then unless you can't live with not having the slightly higher benching octa S4 just go for Snapdragon. You will NOT be disappointed. The phone WILL be a beast, it WILL have bags of power and you won't regret it. Besides, by the time you wait for the octa version to roll out then the next best phone (new Nexus maybe) will be on par and you will have wasted a good few months of enjoying a lovely phone. :)

And the reason I quoted the guy above? He is talking absolute rubbish. To state the Adreno320 is garbage is nonsense which I know most of the people here recognise. The one comment made stating that his S2 Mali400 was better is the most misinformed post I've seen here, and that says a LOT!

Not only does the Adreno320 run games far, far smoother, but at nearly 3x the resolution.

Tl:dr you WILL be happy no matter what version phone you end up with :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Dude 1 sec, check this out:

Qualcomm APQ8064T Snapdragon 600 - Adreno 320 "

(QXGA/1080p)

"

Qualcomm APQ8064 Snapdragon S pro - Adreno 320 "

(QXGA/1080p)

"

Not overclocked same GPU.

And now:

APQ8064T (Snapdragon 600)

Semiconductor technology: 28 nm LP

CPU Instruction Set: ARMv7

CPU: Up To 1.9 GHz Quad-core Krait 300.

CPU Cache: L0: 4kB+4kB, L1: 16kB+16kB, L2: 2MB.

GPU: Adreno 320 (QXGA/1080p).

Memory Technology: 32-bit dual-channel LPDDR3

Qualcomm APQ8064 (Snapdragon S pro)

Semiconductor technology: 28 nm LP

CPU Instruction Set: ARMv7

CPU: Up To 1.7 GHz Quad-core Krait

CPU Cache: L0: 4kB+4kB, L1: 16kB+16kB, L2: 2 MB.

GPU: Adreno 320 (QXGA/1080p).

Memory Technology: Dual-channel 533 MHz (8.5 GB/sec)

As you see there is same - Adreno 320. "(QXGA/1080p)"

The processor is overclocked not the gpu.

Now iPhone 5 using PowerVR SGX "543"MP3 (triple-core graphics) witch is provide crazy GPU benchmarking compare to Adreno 320 !

Octa core got PowerVR SGX "544"MP3 Next generation !!! So performance supposed t o be much better !

Now you understand what I mean by "something wrong"
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
[MENTION=4331268]yahyoh[/MENTION] and that Octa is 1800 MHz, not the International 1.6 GHz. I don't know what to think and choose now LOL

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION]...what you will get ? I9505 or I9500 ? Just wondering....because I see you protecting more the Exynos version, which I like more too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
For me, LTE performs at around 10 to 20+ mbps which is actually much better than HSPA+ at 3 to 5 mbps. The latency is better on LTE as well. So using apps that require internet access is better on my GF's SGS4.

The DAC for the SGS4 is proven to be pretty good according to GSM Arena. Qualcomm has stepped it up much more. But Wolfson is probably still better, we still don't have any test of the two against each other.

How does cost come into play with your decision? I guess it might come down to that. But get what suits you. I had a i9300 last generation too. Still using it right now but moving on to LTE since it's pretty good in my area now.

The 600 is clocked differently on the SGS4 than the HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
yes the processor. But not GPU !
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
But every reviewer says that the Adreno 320 in the SGS4 runs much better than all the other S4 pros. They "thought" the GPU was clocked differently at the revealing of the device.

So what is it that sets it apart from it's S4 Pro? Why are reviewers saying that it is better than it's S4 Pro? Or are they wrong?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
[MENTION=346281]Andrei[/MENTION] just mentioned above that it's due to the difference in memory bandwidth of the soc

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
no this [MENTION=1247388]1.6[/MENTION] but with previous update before Samsung removed 1.8 from frequency table :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
I find big.LITTLE a more interesting product with more potential, and since I'm pretty much knee deep in the Samsung kernel ecosystem and what I'm most familiar with (If you haven't noticed till now lol) I find that a more prospective target for me to buy for. If UNIVERSAL5410 is a common platform for the S4 and Note3 just as MIDAS was for both the S3 and Note2, even more reason to get the 9500.

I don't particularly care for LTE, it is a big fuss in North America because most carriers have very ****ty 3G coverage and bad or almost no HSPA+. Speed doesn't matter as much as latency, again something which has a very big delta between LTE and 3G, however not as much between LTE and HSPA+. Watch http://youtu.be/Il4swGfTOSM?t=16m41s on the matter (I suggest watching the whole video for anybody interested in the least bit). Considering I'm on a 10€ 1GB internet plan and have Wifi access virtually everywhere I go even in the city, hard to persuade me on LTE.

I also have heard from some personal sources that the S600 and the 5410 won't end up much different at all in terms of performance nor battery life. So it probably won't matter.

[MENTION=2751672]avetny[/MENTION] [MENTION=3877923]bala_gamer[/MENTION] the 8064ab in the S4 is clocked at 1.9GHz CPU 450MHz GPU, versus the 1.7GHz, 400MHz in the HTC One. The memory is also DDR3 instead of DDR2 (Afaik on that last bit).

Edit: 8064ab memory at 600MHz instead of 533 as per source code apparently.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
There you go! Someone who actually gets that it's more than just a 50Mhz bump.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Wtf? You understand that I was trying to counter your nonsense, the GPU hardware is identical. You were claiming some fairy-tale improvements on the GPU.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Don't know from where you got your i9500 bench but here is my bench with i9500 from first try it betters the bunch you posted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Thanks [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION]. I don't care about LTE either, as currently we don't have LTE here, it's expected for Q1 2014, but I'm happy with my HSPA+ and I'm sure in my zone will be no LTE for the next 5 years. The only thing it's pissing me off right now are the GPU benchmarks, which makes me worry.

[MENTION=1051894]bouzoubaa[/MENTION] Tap on Device channel. Those could be older benchmarks ? :-??

I think that we will find the answer when the first batch of S4 Octa will be released and benchmarks will appear.

Can you also post the GLBenchmark for us please ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
LOL fairy tale? dude a measly 50Mhz won't be responsible for that much performance increase. It's RAM bandwidth and/or the improved drivers as well. Use your head.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Can you post Glbenchmark scores (with lower level perfomance)

And also linpack would be great too ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
[MENTION=1051894]bouzoubaa[/MENTION] I already answered you one 3 posts above LOL

[QUOTE [MENTION=1051894]bouzoubaa[/MENTION] Tap on Device channel. Those could be older benchmarks ? :-??

I think that we will find the answer when the first batch of S4 Octa will be released and benchmarks will appear.

Can you also post the GLBenchmark for us please ?[/QUOTE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Are you on drugs? I'm attacking your bullshít from a few posts ago:

Having a slight clock bump and some updated drivers does not warrant it being called not a different GPU nor a revision. Stop the hyperbole nonsense.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shammyh:
To be fair, I think the other guy was responding to some other person's comment about the PowerVR being 2-3 times "more powerful" than the Adreno 320. Which, while you didn't comment on that, is clearly not true.

Also, I know you're going over the sources now, but as you stated the apq8064ab is a as-yet-unknown quantity as far as what exactly has changed in the silicon for this revision of the SoC. All we know as consumers thus far, is that the Snapdragon 600, as configured/designed/built in the GS4, performs a bit better than the Snapdragon in the HTC One, and substantially better than in the Snapdragon Pros.

And just on a personal note, I know you're into the 9500 over the 9505 (as we've discussed, and if I were in your shoes, I would be as well), but if someone says something ridiculous about the PowerVR being 2-3 times faster than the Adreno, you could perhaps mention the inaccuracies there just as much as you mention the inaccuracies about the GS4 Adreno being "a completely different GPU" from the previous Snapdragon Pro.

I know this thread is basically an all-out flame-war between people who know next to nothing about anything, and are simply quoting half-truths and marketing bullsh*t at each other, but if you're gonna correct one side, it's not a bad idea to correct the other side too. Just my opinion, which you're under no obligation to honor... :)

And yea, the larger point you made is dead on: in practical terms, these devices should be within a relatively small margin of each other, both in CPU, GPU, and otherwise. And yea, the Exynos is a much more interesting in terms of sheer technical prowess, and hence, as a developer, it's a more fun platform to play with. And the Snapdragon will probably have better AOSP support. Either way, the GS4 should be great device, and once people start getting them in their hands, I have a feeling all this "my penis is 0.34968mm longer than yours" contest stuff will probably die back down...
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Fuk this sh_it ! Im getting nokia 3310.

:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Linpak result
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
It does when it's performing significantly better and confusing people (like that Avetny guy earlier in the thread) due to the performance differences.

Act like an adult, and stop your trolling nonsense. I expect more "professionalism" out of a "Recognized Contributor"...
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
You are posting complete sh*t here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
So how the linpak results I posted from the i9500 compare to the rest and specially the s600 !?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
It's from the kernel source release for the 9505.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Hey the troll is that who acting like you. Stop snitch. That was my opinion. Accepted or ignored
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
LOLOLOLOLOL

Glbenchmark please!

Ditto :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Man he just conf that is the same GPU.

How come you talk like that with AndreiLux. Show your respect. Not the attitude, with failure opinions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Man...... Glbenchmark is hell long and resource hungry. Especially the Trex part.

Egypt wen smoothly.

Here You are anyway. And tell me again how it compares to the rest please
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
That is not an "opinion" , when you state something like that ,either it is a fact or complete sh!t, meaning it does not vary from person to person, either it performs better or performs worse.

And you are misleading people completely with whatever you said.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
In GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex HD (offscreen), the most demanding and best respected GPU test currently available, the Adreno 320 equipped GS4 outscores the the HTC One by 13.75%. Your measly (we are clearly in the company of great intellect) 50 MHz increase in GPU clockspeed is in fact a 12.5% increase over the 400 MHz Adreno 320 in the One, you seeing a trend yet?

Even considering that frequency increases do not necessarily scale FPS in linear fashion, they already explain most of the performance difference, the rest as already explained are due to improved drivers and to a certain extent memory bandwidth. Although I'm not convinced that current mobile GPU test are that bandwidth hungry, that they saturate 12.8 GB/s that even a LPDDR2 equipped Snapdragon can provide.
[Galaxy S 4 General] avetny:
Ok let's comedown. Peace
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
It's getting bit heated out here. Cool down guys.. No need for getting hyper-excited just for a phone. Well, irony is that I myself tool get too excited sometimes!

After all benchmarks I have seen in my life, I can tell you that most Android benchmarks are not repeatable with fair degree of accuracy. Any non-repeatable benchmark numbers are literally useless. Most of them are not clearly defined on what they test and how they test. Top of that some arbitrary numbers makes the mess even messy!

I make a living by analyzing benchmarks (obviously not Android benchmarks), so I sometimes find these results bit odd.

Also, we have to acknowledge the fact that we have so many different devices, codes, hardware. It's tough to design a very neutral system.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
How does these results fair with the s600 guys.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
I didn't needed the whole boring and time consuming test, just what you posted (even less). Thank you. Now, seeing your benchmark, the score is even worst than on GLbenchmark website. :banghead:

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Samsung+SGH-I337M&testgroup=overall

Still way weaker than the Adreno. What's weird is that yours pass the GFXBench 2.7 T-Rex HD C24Z24MS4 - Onscreen, while on Adreno it's saying not supported. I'll keep digging...
[Galaxy S 4 General] xHausx:
Since it appears no one here is able to discuss things in a civilized manner I'm going to close this now.

Thread Closed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] scott14719:
Very true, but it is just as misleading to say that the Octa version will be able to use the LTE networks when all that has been released is that the chip is "capable" of doing so. I think it is safe to say nobody knows at this point. So until the Octa version is either confirmed as using the LTE bands or confirmed as not using them maybe it would be a good idea for everyone to stop the speculation until there is proof. I've seen the same speculation in several S4 forum posts now and all it is doing is misleading people.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Because LTE is not provided by the Exynos chip! It's provided by an external modem which has absolutely nothing to do with it. The S4 variant with the Exynos (i9500) will NOT have an LTE modem.

Let's repeat: The chip supports LTE, it doesn't provide LTE, that's up to the modem that's attached to it.

No it's not misleading, what is misleading is that there has been an incredibly large amount of people the last few weeks who have been falsely accusing / coming to the conclusion and implying that the Exynos cannot support LTE even though LTE support has absolutely nothing to do with the SoC. Their tweet simply corrected this, they're correct in what they're claiming.

It's a massive problem of misinformation and lack of education of both users side and all these incredibly gullible and incompetent armchair-reporter news sites who think they're doing some kind of journalism here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Thor:
I couldn't agree more. The problem still stems from Samsung though. Both variants can easily support LTE. However, from the looks of it, the i9500 version doesn't seem to support it.

The question is why, since Samsung didn't say anything and the only difference was that one was the Qualcomm AP and the other the Exynos. It's to see where the confusion came from.

It makes sense that Samsung's semi conductor division couldn't manufacturer enough of the chips to fulfill every S4, but that doesn't explain why the SD600 would have LTE and the Exynos 5 doesn't. Unless Qualcomm said they would only provide the chips if only their device had LTE, but that would be terrible business plan. Possibly Samsung wanted to split the market for each variant somehow and the LTE was the only way(since they sort of did it before)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shadym1lkman:
Youre making a strong assertion from the syntax of an official tweet, and if thats not where its coming from then its baseless heresay. It would be better to wait, than assume anything.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
The tweet said nothing new. Just repeated what everyone knows about Exynos in general. They just repeated the statement for Exynos Octa.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ronak47:
If you think the differences are huge just wait until the snapdragon s800 starts hitting phones. That will cream both the exynos and s600.

There will always be bigger and better around the corner so buy one and be happy with it or become a manufacturers dream customer!
[Galaxy S 4 General] americasteam:
This thread is cracking me up. If given both devices in a blind test, 99.99999999% of the people here wouldn't be able to tell the differences between the two.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
The 00000001% that's me :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Well, not really, as most people here do play games and listen to music, and the Octa should have an advantage there. Would definitely be awesome to see a side-by-side comparison, as I'm still not sure if the 5410 is worth giving up 4G for.
[Galaxy S 4 General] paintball23456:
I think, the reason why Samsung didn't say what CPU the phones will have is because, they are trying to match the s600 to the octa core (which is more powerful, but samsung need to keep the balance...
[Galaxy S 4 General] st3chn0:
a blind test will always be a test... a test cannot actually prove what happens when a user installs mods,apps and widgets and such can it?

all these test I see are probably,most likely, just done with a completely stock phone no extras... just like windows when you start clean on any comp it'll all be the same till you start installing and the processing power and ram all need to work harder to keep the computer running... it's the same with apps. you'll have many apps running in the background slowing down the phone, the tests showing where exynos is more powerful is where this extra power really helps.

so all these don't really test don't really prove anything till the user (yourself the consumer) actually start using the phone and customise till your needs. that's what android is all about isn't it being able to customise the ui?

with exynos not being able to support lte is just rubbish these same rumors went around last year if you don't remember or have you just jumped on the band wagon?

sooner or later around the time they release the note 3 most likely you'll see

exynos is able and always will be able to cope with lte its just Samsung with their money making scheme now, just like apple and are now slowly falling, soon Samsung will also if they don't change back to their old ways.

people want the best? why not provide the best like they did with s2?