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[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
If I buy over the counter or renew my contract with ATT I will save about $100 to $200. I did the math. If I import, it's a bit more. When I bought my i9300 it was $733. I believe if i got the American version it was $550 w/o Tax which totaled to like 599.

But now that the Octa is rumored to work with any LTE bands I'm really tempted to get it now. I was skeptical with LTE until I saw my GF getting 17 mbps which is faster than my college internet speeds!

The money savings and possible development being better might sway me tot he SD600 still. I have a long time to decide.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RusherDude:
Both are 20-band LTE, great, one difference less.

So..

One will feature Snapdragon 600 (good for devs) but the ****ty qualcomm audio chip (crap).

The other will feature Exynos octa-core (pain for devs) but wolfson audio chip (awesome).

Damn..
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
The audio chip for the 600 according to GSM Arena isn't bad though. But then again i don't even know what's good. I can't really tell how much better my i9300 *shrugs*
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
NO. NO. NO.

They are simply stating that the Exynos chip is capable of LTE without any issue, something which I've said enough times already.

This doesn't change the fact that the S4 with the Exynos will not have LTE.

SamsungExynos is a twitter account belonging to the Samsung LSI division, the semiconductor part, which has nothing to do with the Samsung Mobile division which actually makes the phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
I'm so confused now! Back to the SD600!
[Galaxy S 4 General] SMS92:
This fragmentation of a device does nothing but confuse/alienate the average consumer and piss the more savvy ones off. As much as I dislike Apple and the iPhone, at least they have concise 'upgrades' and complete continuity. I can't believe I'm even saying that - but it's surely a selling point to some regular Joes out there, they know what they're getting.

With so much confusion after launch and mere weeks before it's available I, for one, am getting pretty annoyed. This is the first device I've felt the need to buy at launch and it feels like I'm at a disadvantage because of it. I just want the best device possible, a clear RRP and no drama. Is this too much to ask?! lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] Davil_79:
Sv: GT-I9500 vs GT-I9505...Differences are huge!

if I only listen to music via Bluetooth headsets. Does it matter which audio chip phone have?
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Nope. Your headset matters more.

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No, the average tech geek. The average consumer will just get the phone for the features it has to offer which both are the same. My GF is part of the average consumer. She uses my phone and her phone, i9300 and SGH-i747. Does she notice a difference? Not at all? An me answering honestly, do I? Besides her having 2GBs of ram, honestly I don't.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RusherDude:
Maybe not with the S3, but if your GF gets an exynos-based S4 and you get the snapdragon one, both test the how they play music.. you will check the difference.

Also, if her S4 lasts 2h more battery than your one, you'll notice that too, rigth?
[Galaxy S 4 General] r1sh12:
thats not so true.

there are 2 iphone5 versions, 1 that supports one type of 4G and the other that doesn't.

Here in the UK the current iphone5 only supports 4G from EE (the 1800mhz band I think), the other version will be released and that will only support the other bands of 4G.

The s4 confusion is more about the processor, I do admit this is a typical samsung farce (Galaxy s3 mini), where the variants are differ by spec rather than colour.

The s4 mini is as shockingly bad as the s3 mini but it will sell because it has galaxy s written on it, even though it holds no actual value.

Imagine if samsung handled this correctly they could have put out a exynos full 4G capable device, but the shortage of chips probably forced the SD and that means a higher clocked exynos will come in the note 3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
I am the one with the i9300 and she's the one that sticks to the carrier versions to clear things up.

Again, GSM Arena tested the SD600's DAC and said it was one of the best DACs they have heard. The SGS4 is similar in comparison, but isn't as loud. So where is the solid proof of a test that shows the Wolfson really is superior? I'm not doubting it but I'm asking for proof.

Now where's the proof that you will get 2 hour difference in battery life? No one has tested the battery of the OCTA. I actually think both will suffer when under a LTE network. But to be honest I charge my phone every night with the my i9300 and by the end of the day I'm at %40. So I don't know if I'll really feel those 2 hours.

But again, the only think I'm criticizing this topic for is the word HUGE. Is it really huge? NO!

Octa won't get LTE where I live, LTE is 3 to 4 times faster in speed. That is huge. Also it's about $150 cheaper buying the SD600 one than a international one. Truth be told though that the resale value will be greater on the Octa International one, or maybe it won't.

It's pretty close to even between the two with that being said.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
This is correct.

The Exynos model DOES NOT have an LTE chip.
[Galaxy S 4 General] z00mflight:
http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5-octa-is-lte-supported-180594/

I'm getting a lot of conflicted info. Just saw this. Does this mean that it does have LTE? Cuz I'll wait to buy if it's true.
[Galaxy S 4 General] musclehead84:
The article says that exynos chip can support lte but the s4 exynos version will not support lte.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I'm getting confused. Is the gt-9505 the octa model or the quad snapdragon ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] shadym1lkman:
How does that even make sense to you? Ignoring information from the chip fab side of samsung. the SoC supports LTE. Samsung Mobile has not said WHY theres a distinction, for you to perpetuate older information as though its gospel, when the ONLY official word we have is that the E5O supports the tech is counter-productive. it doesnt help people looking for updated information.
[Galaxy S 4 General] porkaysi:
When you get a chance can you run a speed test to show what connection speeds are like..... I know it depends on network, also please state the network you are on.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
Speed test is completely dependent on connection speed and has nothing to do with the phone unless you make the same test on the same network with different phones. I don't have a second phone right now to make it worth it.

Sorry.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
So I gathered some information:

Qualcomm Adreno 320:

OpenGL ES = 3.0, 2.0 & 1.1

OpenCL = 1.2

SVGT = 1.2

EGL = 1.4

Direct3D Mobile

Direct Draw

GDI

Clock - 500Mhz

GFlops - 51.2

PowerVR SGX544 MP3:

OpenGL ES = 2.1 & 1.1

OpenCL = 1.1

SVGT = 1.1

DirectX = 9.0

Direct3D Mobile

PVR2D

OpenWF

Clock - 533Mhz

GFlops - 51.1

So both are almost the same.

Adreno 320 has more tech support whereas PowerVR has more Clock.

I don't know which one is better TBH.

Source 1: http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/

Source 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

Source 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageon

Source 4: https://developer.qualcomm.com/discover/chipsets-and-modems/adreno-gpu

Source 5: http://pt.scribd.com/doc/27337782/Powervr-Sgx-Series5xt-Ip-Core-Family-1-0
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Fist of all, thanks for all your patience. I'll have both options (exynos/s600) where I live and I'm quite sure I'll go with exynos but instead of numbers and benchmarks could you tell us your experience with gaming? PowerVR concerns me a little.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
See my previous post. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
The phone is extremely fast. Really really fast. Coming from note2 which is quite fast, I m really happy with the s4 and find it a real upgrade.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
PowerVR SGX544 support opengl 3.0 too :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
Bro, can u show glbenchmark scores? Most of the internet using GLBenchmark for s600, wonder how Octa performs in this benchies :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
Are you sure? None of the sources I have mention that and searched a lot.

On the official webpage it only mention OpenGL 2.0 as well.

http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/sgx_series5XT.asp

Anyway, I'll include it just in case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mehdy_:
You say that you're not realy sure, anyone knows how to verify if his phone have 4G LTE? It would be great and we will definitly know if the GT-I9500 supports 4G or not. Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6644/imagination-demonstrates-powervr-series-6-rogue-on-lgs-h13-soc
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
Thanks, I'll include it on the list. I also added a few more things to it. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] bouzoubaa:
What I m saying is that i9500 doesn't have LTE for now. The exynos supports it but the i9500 units do not have the lte modem included.

We might see exynos with lte in the near future.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
I take we will only see it on Note 3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
It says right there in the quote it doesn't support OpenGL 3.0, only some sub-set features of it... reading comprehension failure?

The S4 Adreno is also running at 450MHz, not 500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
No. Adreno 320 is running at 500Mhz on Snapdragon 600. 450Mhz is for Snapdragon S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Oh Really? Is that so?

void __init apq8064_init_gpu(void)
{
unsigned int version = socinfo_get_version();

if (cpu_is_apq8064ab())
kgsl_3d0_pdata.pwrlevel[0].gpu_freq = 450000000;
.....

It's great when users know better than the code itself.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
PowerVR doesn't have native OpenGL ES 3.0, but the recent API brings the 3.0 capabilities. I still think it's a winner against Adreno 320.

http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=717
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Thanks AndreiLux, just out of curiosity where is this code from?

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
but recent benchmark showed that Adreno 320 is still superior compare to Exynos Octa..
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Any link please?

Everywhere it's saying the opposite.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?site=gl

the first place is adreno 320 S4, then u see the 2nd page for sgx544mp3 s4..
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Andrei , can you tell us about the overclocking potential of the powervr GPU? assuming its already overclocked to 500+mhz will there be any room for further overclocking?
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Damn, kinda frustrated now. Weeks ago the powervr was beating everything and now it's so weak? With this GPU results, OpenGL 3.0 and 4G fault, the question is.... which one is better to buy? GT-I9500 or GT-I9505?

The GPU differences aren't too big, but Adreno is 4 cores and powervr 3 cores.

Damn, Samsung should have choose powervr 554 instead.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jtdc:
same here, still holding on Arc. now reading further if i9500 is better choice than the more widespread i9505.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
But there's still Adreno 320 on third page. :confused:

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Fixed that for ya.

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That's old Adreno 320 from the S4 Pro series. This Adreno 320 in the S600 is an enhanced version.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
i am just comparing s600 with Octa for s4.. We really need an official review and bench
[Galaxy S 4 General] moraymol:
can i get 9500 battery to work with 9505, or 9505 battery for 9500, anyone knows?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
reviews are already all over there, all it needs is a bit of summary.

CPU:

Exynos Octa is much better than sd600 CPU in terms of performance and power efficiency.

You may not notice the performance difference between the octa and sd600 in real life but probably would notice better battery life with octa.

GPU:

Adreno 320 GPU is a new/better architecture than powervr544 and hence it will give better performance in benchmarks when the triangle complexity is higher.

You wont notice the difference in real life as there are no games that handles this much complexity.

quote from andrei,

AUDIO:

sd600 has built in audio from qualcom, reviews shows that its good but its is subjective. OCta has wolfson audio which is much superior and has the upper hand here as it is already industry proven. Its also flexibile and further enhancements will make it even better.

LTE:

the 9500 is not going to have LTE, so here sd600 variant " s4 9505" has the upper hand if you are really in need of LTE.

DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT:

if you are fan of aosp roms and its functionality then sd600 will be more user friendly for aosp developers. Other than that developments like custom kernels,roms,mods are going to be pretty similar for both the versions.

I believe the rest of the things dosent matter or need a comparison ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
if i my area will not have LTE, should i just go for Octa? I was hoping Octa 544mp3 will give better gaming, who knows they come out with nice gfx tis year..
[Galaxy S 4 General] stanley08:
Yh, I think the camera on S3 was awesome too.. So i am guessing that i won't be disappointed by the S4's camera, Heck! I think S2 has a good camera! I'm not a photographer. :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
It does feel that, at least with this generation's phone cameras, that the quality has reached a point where it's not just "suitable for Facebook/Twitter uploads". These all look pretty great, I would be happy to store them in a photo book and show them to other people. It's not ever going to match a dedicated camera to be sure, but it's still very impressive when you consider the phone is also dedicated to performing thousands of other tasks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
if you are worried about gaming with powervr then i would say there is absolutely no reason to worry about atleast for 2 years. You wont see any difference between octa and sd600 when it comes to real time gaming
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
We still need to wait and see on that with final release.. As most of us have seen in videos, more demanding games seem to perform worse on the SGX 544MP3 than they do on Adreno 320. So far, all the games I've seen on both, have either ran equally good on both GPU's, or performance was smoother and better on the Adreno 320. We should give more time before saying we wont see any difference with release models.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
oh ok. Hopefully this Exynos Octa really shines in the battery department. 4 A7 activated draws even lower power when 1 A15 is runing.. very interesting concept. If it is more or less the same with S600, i believe i will get S600 for LTE future.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
its just the lack of code/driver optimization i believe. a device that is capable of scoring 40+ fps in glbenchmark 2.7 hd is more than enough for any type of gaming ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
That's why I said we should give some time. It's speculation right now. It may improve, and it may not. We need to wait and see first before making bold statements. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ben3003:
may i know what videos showed that sgx544mp3 perform worse on adreno 320? mind to share it here? Thanks mate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Check my thread in this forum here for the Exynos gameplay videos, then go to Youtube and find the equivalent videos from the S600 version. You will see what I mean.
[Galaxy S 4 General] attbrandon:
I think it's pretty safe to say how those battery tests will run based on some facts we already know.

With power consumption, A7 > SD600 > A15 in the energy efficiency department. I bet average user wise, the exynos will reign supreme. But for us here at XDA, who are most likely prone to be power users, the SD600, in my opinion (with no experience obviously) will win as the exynos is forced to activate more and more of those A15 cores... For this reason I personally wouldn't want the Korean variant. I can only imagine how fast that phone will drain with each A15 that is being activated at high clock speeds with and an LTE external modem vs. only a 3g external modem.

Personally, I think it will play out as 3g exynos > SD 600 > lte exynos. However, I could be completely wrong with all my speculations and the coming days will tell. Patience my friend! :victory:
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Didn't you also mention in the Q&A forum, that your S4 analysts at AT&T that screened both versions said that the I9505 was the better "overall" handset due to the GPU being better in their testing and that the A15 cores activated too much causing massive battery drain when doing intensive tasks like gaming, and that there was stuttering issues from the switching between A15 cores and A7 cores?
[Galaxy S 4 General] attbrandon:
Also, one thing I forgot to mention is that I doubt even at release the firmware will realize the exynos' battery life potential given it's complexity with the architecture. Seeing as Samsung MOST LIKELY will include the exynos5 octa in the Note 3, I bet we will see firmware updates that improve upon this moreso than we will with the SD600.

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Yes, though I think I mentioned that those issues should be addressed in the coming updates. I've heard of testers mentioning multiple firmware updates ever since I talked to him, so it's tough to say. Unfortunately I only see each company's rep about once every one to two months and he never left his business card. So we'll have to see at release. While I imagine Samsung can't really reduce the battery drain of the cores, that can control how well the software is optimized so that the A7s will be sufficient and under what conditions those cores will activate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
i believe there is nothing to speculate, the hardware is there and it is certainly capable as we all know. If the software is not optimized to make use of that then its not the fault of oem/graphics vendor but the fault of the developer. If you have a look into benchmark score on glbench site you will notice that there are very few popular android devices that makes use of powervr graphics, so it definitely sounds like poor optimization.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Still, I have not seen a Glbenchmark from the Octa version, but only S600. Anyone with the Octa can do a benchmark please?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Here are the sceenshots of glbench comparison of octa and sd600 variants of s4.

I just processed the results from their site:

Samsung SGH I337M ----- SD600 version --- FIRMWARE DATE : 17/04/2013

Samsung SHV E300S ----- OCTA version --- FIRMWARE DATE : 28/03/2013 & 13/04/2013 (on few)

Looking on the date above sd600 might be running the final release firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
[MENTION=3877923]bala_gamer[/MENTION]: That's what I was looking at. The differences are very small, even if when you look at the main page looks a huge difference. 3-4 fps will never do a difference, right ? On the other hand onscreen fillrate is way higher on PowerVR, which probably makes everything more fluid if I'm not wrong.

Comparing the Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544MP3 regarding OpenGL 3.0 capabilities, both can run on OpenGL, even if Adreno have native and PowerVR just some API extensions, so there should be no difference between them.

Also, as always happened, those 2-3 fps differences can disappear soon, as always happened, because of firmware updates.

What scares me on GLbenchmark, is that there are tens of results for Adreno320, better or worst than PowerVR 544MP3, which demonstrate how badly is optimized for some devices. I'm wondering if it can more than that, because on Onscreen GFXBench 2.7 reaches 1184 fps on Vegas-IM-A870S, while in I9505 is as low as 925 fps

I'm thinking that Samsung will be more dedicated to Exynos while it's their brand and processor and they will know better how to optimize it than Snapdragon.

All we need is an updated GLBenchmark of the I9500, side by side with an I9505 (not the Korean version or whatever) and compare both while the test runs.

Anyone can do a benchmark to the I9500, as there is no test. Why everyone with I9500 ignores such an important benchmark ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Galaxy S4 9505 sources and code snippet for the board-8064-gpu init code which is used for jf* and jactive* Samsung boards which the phone has. The important distinction is the ab suffix on the SoC, currently the S4 is the only phone with that chip, the HTC One uses a non-ab chip for example and its GPU is at 400MHz.

No I can't tell you that since I don't have the phone in my hand nor do I have a magic orb to foresee the future. That's something which simply needs to be tested in real-world use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
I think you read it wrong ,if you read the last paragraph of andrei's quote (which was referring to the case of mali 400 vs adreno 225) ,mali 400 was bottlenecked due to poor triangle setup rate ,not SGX544.

This time it would be shading power not triangle complexity
[Galaxy S 4 General] DCRocks:
Wow.. .read through the whole thread and I came to the conclusion..

Both phones are so close that what will matter most to me is the possible developer support for each device.

After all, I got FAR more of a performance boost on my Epic from a Dev optimized kernel than anything else that came out for my phone.

That said, given the SD will (according to rumor) have MUCH better access to what is needed to modify the kernel software, I feel this will make more of a difference than any other aspect of the phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoostedSR20:
Been following this thread almost since its inception, thanks for all the info/debates/etc guys. :good:

Going to be placing an order for two S4's today.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Delete.Double post
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Nope I thin I'm right, adreno 320 is a better balanced architecture and since 544 is old it will struggle a bit with extreme triangle complexity, on the contrary it has much better fill rate than adreno, but again all these matters only for benchmarks it's not going to affect the real life performance.

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Take a look at this:

http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?D1=Samsung+SHV-E300S&D2=Apple+iPhone+5&D3=Samsung+SGH-I337M&cols=3

Maybe some drivers lacking?

Edit:no doubt adreno 320 is newer GPU and would perform better in future due to more alu power but i think SGX544 in exynos could perform better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Ya I think it's due to poor optimization not sure though

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
So now I know that it's stupid when comparing everything og a benchmark on 2 different operating system
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
If

that is true,then PowerVR gpus might not be as good as we thought:confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
What a shame dude, even the 3DMark is a shame for Exynos Octa. Even Nexus 4 have better score. All this makes me rather choose for the S600 version.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Lol I'm typing the same line for the third time today :D, you really won't notice the difference in real time any time soon mate.

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Average they perform within range of +/-10%.

People should choose their phone based on LTE availability and what is cheaper for them.

Anyone that has LTE available but pays an extra $100 to import a phone to sacrifice LTE is IMO making a wrong choice.

I think that's what it really comes down to.
[Galaxy S 4 General] invano:
I'm wondering what about the sw optimizations on the Snapp/Exyn processor .

I'm seeing (here in Italy) that the I9505 (firm. I9505XXUAMDD) are having some problems till now. Lots of lags in stock browser or in closing app animations...but especially a poor battery life with only 2.30 - 3 h of screen on.

I'm curious to know how the Exynos model I9500 behaves.