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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Harsh-:
Thanks for the reply.. As i informed my bro is gonna use it for initial months and he doesn't want to unlock.. He thinks it's some kinda sin :p

And yea i know all about unlocking and flashing roms, but on my current device, there is a toolkit for rooting with locked bootloaders.. So thought of asking..

Let's see if some one else turns up with a solution-..

Sent From The Beast - Nexus 10
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] heat361:
Hi I see you want to root to use titanium backup. If you don't want to unlock/root you could use this backup service called carbon. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup&hl=en
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ScumDroid:
There is no way to root without unlocking the bootloader atm.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mustangtim49:
Just unlock with wuggs toolkit, then its as simple as an app from play store to lock/unlock. Geez, the urban legends of the horrors and sins of rooting, don't believe everything on the Internet.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbucks911:
unlock, root, then relock. simple. your bro wont know it was ever unlocked anyway
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Harsh-:
that's just for nexus 7 right ?? or it would work with our's ??

Edit : DONE !! Thanks a TON !!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ScumDroid:
wugs toolkit works with all nexus devices afaik.

**Edit** nm i didn't see you had it done, congratz
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hufqnjhu:
the urban legends of the horrors and sins of rooting, don't believe everything on the Internet.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krankenwagen:
Hey guys,

after I press home button and go to home screen, 3 of 5 times happens that usually first icon from the left looks like it's being touched by my finger. For better explanation, see attachment. When I touch somewhere else, blue rectangle disappears. This happens also in Messenger app, or Nova launcher. I really don't know where the problem is. Factory reset solution would be on the last place.

Thanks a lot, I hope I explained it well.
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
It looks like we need to come out with a new OTA base, some of the newer ROM's threads are being closed. Also, there is rumor that some devs are getting banned for posting ROMS's based on original OTA in RootzWiki. Being very new to this whole thing I can help, I attempted to make my my own but ended up rooted and S-ON (fixed now).

In any event I reverted back to stock, no root, did the OTA upgrade (what originally caused be problems since it updated HBOOT to 1.08). I was able to root it and do a backup. Now I am back to S-OFF and rooted, so I want to see what we can do with the backup, as far as I know the boot.img is the missing link. The one that came with OTA ICS installs 1.08 HBOOT (f5e16f3f55ddfb0ec10c8f9a75b35bed boot.img) which is not good.

I think we should create a completely open source version of the OTA and allow anyone and anybody to customize it as they see fit. Let's face it the TBolt lifecycle is at it's end so those of us that are left should work together.
[Thunderbolt General] xionius:
Danm that sucks, I was wondering what was going on.
[Thunderbolt General] Kiyuubi:
I love your idea, if I knew anything about this stuff I would help. When I saw the threads were locked for that reason it annoyed the hell out of me. What happened to Android being open source like its supposed to be.
[Thunderbolt General] xionius:
Nevermind I see whats going on here. I read Santod040 post in the other thread and he makes some valid points. I wish I could help tho.
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
I agree with Santod040 as well that is why I am doing this. I will probably not be able to do this all on my own, mostly because I have been basically an ROM end user. By the time I learn all I need to build my own ROM I will hopefully be on another device.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
You have to do a system dump using adb. I'm not 100% certain but it may have to be done before it is altered. In other words 100% stock ota.
[Thunderbolt General] ridenickel9:
Good idea!

I also wish I knew more. My simple successes have so far been related to theming of icon color in Browser.apk including some simple string edits, and custom colored or fully transparent LATIN_IME.apks.

I already have Ubuntu on a dual boot PC and Eclipse, and also have an updated SDK, but some 'clif notes' to get me started would be helpful. I've browsed around before and read many threads all over.

I like the idea of us all joining up to see what we can do!
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
The command for that should be listed with the other adb commands when you type adb in a terminal. You will need tools for splitting the boot.img as well since to make the ota a flashable you will have to package the boot.img in a zip.
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
Isn't HBOOT packaged with the boot.img? For the backup that I did I have all that. What is the difference between doing a backup and doing a system dump with adb?
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
I finally found OTAUpdate.zip, I am going to dissect that and see what I can come up with. I was just about to downgrade and redownload the otaupdate.zip, saved me some time.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
The nand is different because it isn't flashable the same way that a rom is. Theoretically you could upload the nand and people could use that to get the base but it just isn't the typical practice. It is better to have a flashable zip. The otaupdate.zip is not like a normal file especially since the update is a whole lot of patches that have to be applied to the stock gb base. That is why it took santod almost a day to assemble it into a flashable zip.
[Thunderbolt General] RunNgun42:
Yeah it's sad it comes to this though. The community is who loses out in the end. As long as someone isnt profiting off your work I dont see what the problem is with them kanging it. Dev's are all supposed to have the same goal here, enrich the community with roms. They only do it because they are generous and enjoy helping out, especially a dying community such as the Thunderbolt. We need as much dev support as we can get, no matter where it comes from. If your goal is to help the community then you should be happy that they are enjoying your work, it's not like we dont know where the stuff comes from anyway.
[Thunderbolt General] [SP]JESTER:
Look guys just use the Unlock your bootloader on ICS Method, Get root, Install the recovery, backup the rom. Copy the backup from /clockwork to computer. Zip it and send to me. All we need is the System partition. The rest we will find
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
I see FOTA in OTAUpdate, I am assuming that is where HBOOT is being updated. That is what I was planning on doing, getting last GB RUU and manually running the scripts to come up with OTA. But the boot.img is what I don't understand, it seems the various boot.img is various ROM's are different (having different MD5's), are these built?
[Thunderbolt General] orangekid:
Guys can we please cut out the name calling and puerile acrimony?

I know that development can be a passion, but we need to work out our differences peacefully and sublimate our passion into development and this verbal venom.

As of right now let's cut out the nonsense, I am going to clean the thread up a bit and attempt to get some specifics, then we can discuss the issues without resorting to flaming.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Again I'm not 100% certain but i am sure that the new hboot is needed to assemble the ota because the patches in the ota are encrypted and the hboot decrypts those patches and assembles them.
[Thunderbolt General] [SP]JESTER:
You see who started it. If he wants to troll n call people out he should expect a reply. As long as I've been here and been in this community I've never had to give reports to mods over a user. He should learn to control his mouth and he wouldn't get a Ill mannered response. He thinks he's all perfect then after all the fight gladly advertises and sends you to infected ROM forums and continues to get away with it. He's lost the respect of many over this one.

---------- Post added at 09:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:26 PM ----------

And good job deleting my post but leaving his up. Tbolt community on xda i'm sorry. But you just flat lined. Enjoy
[Thunderbolt General] orangekid:
I am going to leave this post here to make a point.

The fact is that you too should learn to control your own "mouth" (or keyboard as it were).

This isn't about who is right or wrong, I honestly don't even know what is going on at this point as I am still trying to figure exactly what the problem is, but this is not the place to go off like an atomic warhead about whatever is going on here. If you allow someone to bait you into these types of remarks, then you are giving that person control over your emotions and your reactions and you then take on the role of villain.

Whatever is going on you can PM a mod or get it sorted out through proper channels, some of our mods and Admin are developers and know the stuff inside out, they can sort out who is actually the instigator here.

End of discussion on this please. PM me if you still have issue. I will figure out what is happening and act on it.

Be civil, I refuse to believe that that is beyond your or anyone else's ability.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
It could be looked at as a dev is getting donations off another devs hard work. So basically he or she is profiting off another's work. It's always best to ask another if they can use their work. I know liquid went through this with cm team. If a dev doesn't ask and just uses another's work. They should expect to get a nastygram from the dev who did the work. Free or paid stealing work is still stealing.
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
Aghhh, can we get back on topic....we need to create a new OTA base.
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
Then my nandroid backup would be a better candidate to use since it has all of /system available, I assume it is not encrypted.
[Thunderbolt General] [SP]JESTER:
Making money off of someone elses work? Thats a joke right LOL. Last i checked you have a decision to donate, no one is forcing you. And i gladly gave a donate link back to his stuff saying it was his, and he appeared to have no problem with it after he saw all of that, just randomly changed his mind and got them pulled because someone was "constantly asking for all of his mods" which i never did, i asked for help sure but not for him to hand anything over. This drama from the thunderbolt section is exactly why every developer turned their backs to it. Your welcome to fend for yourselves then.

And besides, Maceksmod is suppose to get a new base soon and be fixing it up... again
[Thunderbolt General] tburns:
I can activate one of my bolts Friday and get the ICS ota dumped for ya if u still need it.
[Thunderbolt General] [SP]JESTER:
Hopefully he has it by then, maybe tomorrow sometime
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
I have that now.
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
I have check the checksum of several boot.img and all have been different, can someone tell me why?
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
Maybe read what I wrote. I said when a dev uses anothers work without permission. Then if the dev gets some donations. It can be looked at as the dev is. taking donations from the dev that put all the work in to the build and the other dev basically gets a free ride by just add a few things here and there like a launcher and other stuff.
[Thunderbolt General] [SP]JESTER:
Well yea that should be frowned upon. No doubt.

Credit should be given where its due. Even with permission, which I personally had no problem doing.

That is all
[Thunderbolt General] RunNgun42:
Jester, have you guys got what you needed yet?
[Thunderbolt General] ohiog:
Yeah I agree with the permission thing but at the end of the day, if dev 2 takes dev 1s base and makes changes that the end use likes, then the donation he gets is for the things on top of the base, not the base itself.

either way, this whole devs getting mad at each other isnt anything new. Its like if you are really that obsessed with your work being yours, keep it on your phone and don't release it. Its not that hard. As long as credit is given it shouldnt matter.
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
It's not about who's bike it is kids.

If I come take your bike, that you built, paint the frame a different color and ride it around town, maybe that's ok with you.

Now let me ride it by your house and call you names while I ride it, because you wouldn't help me upgrade the forks on it too. (childish enough?)

I think that aspect of the whole thing has unfortunately been overlooked by important parties involved.

I think any parties not involved, should maybe not worry about what other people do with their work, and next time maybe I will keep it on my device and my bike in my garage.

Are you not obsessed with or take pride in your own work?

Do you let someone else take home your paycheck every week?

Let's not distort things beyond reality here.

It was never even about credit or donations, it was about people thinking they deserved anything more then what I had already given.

Nothing is ever good enough for people.

I provided a solid base rom: It wasn't good enough, I was a jerk for not giving more help to people I do not have time to help, nor the respect any longer to do so.

So if I say the base cannot be used and nobody had my permission, which they didn't, I'm also a jerk, so what. They already treated me this way, so here we are.

I was told over and over I am not a real dev and that making that base and everything else I do is nothing and a joke, so....

Also, all the complaining isn't really helping the goal of this thread, I don't think.

Have a great night!
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
I have sent links to the system.ext3.tar that I pulled from the OTA. I have not heard back yet.
[Thunderbolt General] [SP]JESTER:
Macek is working on something as far as i know
[Thunderbolt General] RunNgun42:
Yeah I mean I understand being offended if people are attacking you for NOT helping them or other absurdities. If it were me personally I would simply ignore them, release roms if and when I feel like it, and just pretend like they dont exist. I mean it's kinda crazy for someone to insult you if you wont help them, so crazy that I would assume something is wrong with them, and that helping with source wouldnt accomplish anything in the first place. I mean honestly, who behaves like that?

But I cant say I agree with you turning around and saying "if you're going to call me names then I'm just going to pull the whole project and you can make your own from scratch". Who does that benefit? Who suffers now? You arent punishing the children calling you names, you are punishing the community who is now relegated to a single source for rom material. I dont know how these people are getting your attention santod, but I'd imagine if you simply never responded to a single PM, email, or even forum post they made, they'd go away. Trolls are looking for a reaction, denying them such and they get bored.

We appreciate your hard word, and we recognize it doesnt take much for someone to steal it and repackage it as their own. But we also appreciate an abundance of roms and look forward to as much dev support as possible no matter where it comes from. Even if nobody ever knew you were the architect behind these roms and everybody thought Mack & crew built them, would this really matter? You know what you did. A select group of people know what you did. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? You can still relish in your accomplishments knowing that all the roms floating around on the forums were your creation.
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
Nevermind, done wasting anymore of my time on children I am not responsible for, have fun!

I do what I do for fun, you guys sure know how to spoil that.

Maybe if a "Dev's" only ability is to copy or modify the work of other Devs, maybe he isn't really a Dev to begin with and shouldn't be making roms for others to flash to their daily device.

I am in no way responsible for what others can or cannot do on their own. So quit giving me all the credit.

Funny how you wanna give me credits for what they can't do, rather then what I have done...
[Thunderbolt General] orangekid:
I do perfectly understand your position on the matter, want what Aretha Franklin wanted. You have a base and it's yours, and out of a feeling of disrespect you don't want to share it.

Have I got that right so far?

But there's another perspective here:

You have in your possession a base that could help improve countless users' user-experience on this phone, and you are withholding that base because of the perceived actions of a few people.

I know you spent hours on your work.

I know you had / have better things to do.

I know you are not being financially remunerated for your work.

I know that you owe no one here anything nor will anyone here force you to share your base.

I know it is YOUR work, and you have an unalienable right to do with it what you will.

Having said that, remember that this is a community for sharing. It is a community for working together to get our devices to do what the OEM's either can't or won't get them to do. Remember that this is a community. Any issue you have with a specific person can be worked out with communication, reporting, or ignoring. Taking your ball and going home is always an option, but remember that by doing that you are intrinsically allowing others to force you into a state of antagonism and the unintended collateral damage means that the people whom you intended the base for will not get to utilize it.

I understand where you're coming from, but you have to keep in mind that you can rise above the few who have seemingly nothing helpful to say. You can be the "bigger person" instead of responding and not releasing your work. Remember that you are not the first, nor the last person to face things like this here.

In the end the choice is yours, but let's end off this rant on both sides. If you will not release your work then that's fine, but let's stop lashing out.

And the rest, if he won't release his work then that's fine, you will just have to find / build a new base and go from there. If he does share his base please credit him accordingly.

But let's end this whole debate once and for all, we've got work to do either way.

Also, on this point:

Maybe if a "Dev's" only ability is to copy or modify the work of other Devs, maybe he isn't really a Dev to begin with and shouldn't be making roms for others to flash to their daily device.

Remember that open source and Android in particular is modifying the work of others. Whomever is better has the better ROM. Even CM and AOKP are "modified works of others"
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
I gotta say, I'm disappointed.

I suppose at this point, people are still expecting me to say go ahead and use my base? Really?

At this point, that's the last thing I will say after the constant outlash.

I'm sorry that I have morals and self respect, it was a birth defect I was born with and those morals don't allow for others to get free rides from me unless you are my kid and climbing on my shoulders.

Bottomline: I'm definitely not giving them to anyone who treats me like crap. End of story really.

I honestly don't feel that I am keeping the community from having anything at all, since the only roms I saw come out of using my base were semi-functional and some users were stuck not rooted and not being able to get into Recovery even.

My opinion? No it's not, it's facts!

Is it an injustice that users no longer have to deal with those issues? I don't think so.

But I am sure that once/if they get their new base built, those roms will soon be available again and everyone can be happy and flash whatever rom someone makes.

Really, just not sure what more anyone expects from me at this point....why does anyone waste time going on about it?

Make a base, make a rom, and move on. It's not like I hold the "one" key to some imaginary kingdom. :eek:

By the way, I have 6 custom roms and 4 stock roms available for the user base, I don't think that equates to me withholding anything that would improve the user base on this device.

I think if anything, I've done nothing but improve for the better part of the last 6 months, non-stop.

Before we even had official ICS I was making new ICS roms for the Bolt.

So to say that I have done anything to stop them from improving their experience is just not accurate.
[Thunderbolt General] orangekid:
That's fine.

Like I said: your work, your choice.

Now let's end the in-fighting and get to work on a new base.

edit regarding your edit:

Let's end the debate here on the situation. I get that you have other custom ROMs and other work going on. This is just regarding this.

No worries, let's end the discussion on it here. Any more questions on it from anyone should go thru PM.

Thanks :)
[Thunderbolt General] ViperZ28:
This is a good thing people, the more people that get involved the better. I can assure you once I figure it out I will write docs on how to do this. Lets gets this back to open source.
[Thunderbolt General] tburns:
OTA is dloading, then root and send off the zip :)

I can say this, on my original tbolt i ran cm7 and Evervolv. ICS i ran JMod and Santod's. My boy has Santods new eternity rockin. Everyone but the devs involved in whatever is going on needs not comment as its none of their bizzzz. Their work their claims ect.. End users need not comment unless you have paid for their services like buying software or services.

Devs do this for free and ask for donations for their time spent doing. Respect that, please!

That is all Thanx
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
Santod was the one keeping the community going after basically all the other devs moved on. So to say he is hurting the community is insulting to say the least. He has always been helpful no matter what. So to see him act like this it must be the others in question jerking his chain. I know of jesters other work well copy and paste work. When liquid had his old ics aosp Rom. It was a direct copy with apps added and he took a 130 mb Rom and made it huge. So I doubt jester can build a Rom from scratch. If you don't believe me look at his old roms.

Santod took the time with the help from others to get where he is today. There's a difference between helping someone and just doing the work for them. From what I get the others in question was just wanted him to do the work for them.

So in closing santod is a godsend to the community and is very helpful to anyone with questions and issues and never gets upset. Works non stop for us. So to see him act like this I know its not him that's the problem.
[Thunderbolt General] orangekid:
This thread has gone completely off the rails from its intended purposes, and this is no longer about finding a new OTA base. It seems this will not be let go.

I am not saying that santod is hurting the community, I am only responding to his comments about not wanting to share this specific base, which is his right, and ending the feud regarding who is right, who is wrong, who owes this or that, or who is disrespecting whom. I meant to offer an amicable solution based on the purpose of the community, not to insult.

People want the base, it is his right to deny, that's all there is to it.

Let's keep all feuds out of it and in the past and make this about development.

Anyone's good work is appreciated, but let's just keep this about development on a new OTA base and not about anything else.

Let this be the end of it.

If you have issue with me please PM me.

Thanks guys :)