yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] z3ro-grav1ty:
Hi there,

I've been trying to fix my sdcard problem and have resorted to trying to fix it via adb.

So I run the command

cat /proc/partitions

cat /proc/partitions
major minor #blocks name alias

7 7 4096 loop7
179 32 1912832 mmcblk1
179 33 128 mmcblk1p1
179 34 512 mmcblk1p2
179 35 512 mmcblk1p3
179 36 1 mmcblk1p4
179 37 512 mmcblk1p5
179 38 512 mmcblk1p6
179 39 4096 mmcblk1p7 pds
179 40 512 mmcblk1p8
179 41 512 mmcblk1p9
179 42 1024 mmcblk1p10
179 43 2048 mmcblk1p11
179 44 512 mmcblk1p12
179 45 512 mmcblk1p13
179 46 4096 mmcblk1p14
179 47 8192 mmcblk1p15 boot
179 48 8192 mmcblk1p16 recovery
179 49 14336 mmcblk1p17 cdrom
179 50 512 mmcblk1p18 misc
179 51 512 mmcblk1p19 cid
179 52 4096 mmcblk1p20 kpanic
179 53 334848 mmcblk1p21 system
179 54 512 mmcblk1p22 prek
179 55 512 mmcblk1p23 pkbackup
179 56 204800 mmcblk1p24 cache
179 57 1319936 mmcblk1p25 userdata
179 0 7761920 mmcblk0

Its supposed to list mmcblk0p1 as well :\

I ran

cat /proc/cmdline

cat /proc/cmdline
console=/dev/null rw mem=498M@0x80C00000 init=/init ip=off brdrev=P3A omap3_die_
id androidboot.bootloader=0x0000 mmcparts=mmcblk1:p7(pds),p15(boot),p16(recovery
),p17(cdrom),p18(misc),p19(cid),p20(kpanic),p21(system),p22(prek),p23(pkbackup),
p24(cache),p25(userdata) androidboot.mode=normal

Whenever I try to run logcat it goes into a loop of errors

error: cannot connect to daemon
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
- waiting for device -
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
error: cannot connect to daemon
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
- waiting for device -
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
error: cannot connect to daemon
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
- waiting for device -
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
error: cannot connect to daemon
ADB server didn't ACK
* failed to start daemon *
- waiting for device -

Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated!

Running 'Show log' from recovery says I can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 because it doesn't exist.

EDIT:

fdisk -l /dev/block/mmcblk0

fdisk -l /dev/block/mmcblk0

Disk /dev/block/mmcblk0: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes
4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 242560 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/block/mmcblk0p1 ? 30441958 57035368 850989111+ 6e Unknown
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary
/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 ? 1 1 0 74 Unknown
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary
/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 438273 438279 220+ 0 Empty
Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary

Partition table entries are not in disk order
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] z3ro-grav1ty:
Ok I managed to mount it.

Source: http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/24427/cant-mount-sdcard-from-recovery-mode-clockworkmod

By running the command

mount /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard

I can now access the sdcard, but this is only a temporary solution. How do I make it so that I don't have to manually mount the sdcard?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JPOKeefe:
On the AOKP ROM in settings in ROM control and in the lockscreen option there's an option called long press status, what does it do?

(Look at the pic below)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JPOKeefe:
Any ideas?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] retali8:
I just replaced the glass on my S3 and my softkeys at the bottom (menu/return) are no longer working. They still light up when I hit the home button but they don't function. I inspected the ribbon cable and it looks ok to me, although I did use a razor blade to get the old screen off. Are the buttons supposed to work when you touch the white squares on the ribbon, or does it have to be pressed against the glass to properly work? Does anyone know how I would even replace that ribbon cable? I see them all over eBay for $3 to $9, but they don't provide instructions.. any help would be appreciated!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] lawdawg45238:
Would somebody please be kind enough to pm me the camera apk for a note 2 (sph-L900) on android 4.1.2?

I attempted to use a multi Window manager that patched a file. .and apparently broke my camera. I then restored my nandroid backup but the camera is still broken. I'm going that installing the apk again will resolve the issue. If not then I guess it's a session with Samsung Kies and Odin..

Help please?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] mr pnut:
Here you go bro.;)

http://db.tt/TQ3b0Pt1

Sent From my Enormous note 2
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] lawdawg45238:
Awesome! !! Thanks. .installed and all my problems went away. .back up and running.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] mr pnut:
Good to hear your up and running.;)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] klbjr:
Does this camera have the voice commands/controls? I'm asking because the camera app in the ROM I'm using doesn't have it.

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] rawdikrik:
What rom are you using?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] klbjr:
I'm using the latest NoWizAOSP. I tried taking the apk from a ROM that has it and pushing it to System but it always FC's. Even with correct permissions.

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] jemarent:
How can I get this to work on aospa?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] klbjr:
Don't believe that you can. Well at least from my experience I've never seen a stock clock work with AOSP.

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] koponet:
Here is a backup of the current rom, taken from a brandnew MDA 1 with WM 2003:

http://www.mathiaspohl.de/mda

Release Number is 4.00.33

Taken from a brandnew MDA I with WM 2003.

This release also includes the Wireless Modem feature.

regards,
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] LumpiStefan:
Very nice of you to share it, but the link didn't work for me. Only empty page with broken Image....

Regards

Stefan
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jabba:
the link is ok (now?) ! i just downloaded the file...

trying to update now...

Jabba
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Rudegar:
the url dont work with browsers like opera

but it works ok with IE6
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jabba:
it says incorrect filesize when using OSImageTool to upload ?!?!?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] koponet:
Try XDArit

This is only the CE part of the device, not the bootloader.

Try to create a SD image using XRArit. Working fine for me.

regards,

PS: Aaaaaaaah, yes, sorry for the IE 6 based page. The site was not designed to share files, just pic's for some friends.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jabba:
got it to work....

start OSImageTool with -f in commandline.. (no filesize checking)

Yeah WM2003 german, thats what i waited for... so no need for XDA2!

Thanks a lot !!!!

Jabba
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Toshiro:
Can I use English language instead of German language with this ROM backup? Thanks.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] koponet:
....no.

No, there is now way to switch from one language to another.

This file is just a backup of the current production release, shipped with the MDA 1 in Germany.

Last week, T Mobile announced (press release) the availability of a "public WM 2003 update" for the MDA 1 for the middle of december.

regards,
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] decebal:
can you please tell us if you have an updated MSN and other improvements ?

any SD erasure ... ?

thanks

decebal
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] LumpiStefan:
Anyone other get it working?

OSImagetool did not accept option -f for me.

Hope for more hints...

Regards

Stefan

Edit:

Sorry, was my fault. Didn´t know that there was an newer version of the OSImagetool. Now i was able to copy it to my SD-Card.

Just in the moment i´m flashing my device (Hopping not to have to call the insurance after... ;-))
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] zork66:
Hi,

just wanted to tell that it's working fine on my MDA1 (32MB) :D

Now I'm just waiting for a kitchen-update which can be used with a german ROM ;)

Bye for now,

Dennis.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jason0815:
TOMTOM Navigator 2 Version 2.24

TomTom Navigator does not work with this ROM :(

Back to PC 2002

Or has somebody an success Story?

CU Jason0815
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] zork66:
Don't know if you're using TomTom or TomTom2, TomTom2 is working fine with mine ;)

The only thing im mad about is the illumination of the MDA, it's not working again, and for making it work again I have to reset the MDA, sometimes it needs a hard-reset becaus the MDA is hanging up while booting after a softreset...

Anybody's got an idea of whats going wrong?

Bye,

Dennis.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] LumpiStefan:
Hello Dennis.

Which Software do you want to have in your ROM.

Played a little bit with the kitchen and teh rom, and it looks quite good.

At the moment there a just a view problems with some programs added in the kitchen. (For example PocketNav created a shortcut in Startup and not in Autostart....)

Maybe I'm able to cook you your own ROM....

Best way will be sending me a PM...

Regards

Stefan
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] rb7smutje:
Where can I found this newer version?

On xda-developers.com is only a version without the parameter -f.

Thanks
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] taaucher:
Take a look at here

http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/OsImageTool.html
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jason0815:
I use TomTom2 no sucess, but i had no problems with

the light! Tomtom is showing the circle (PowerPc Sandwatch)

infinitly. Only Software Reset helps.

I tried TomTom2 Version 2.24 with GPS 2.05

Cu Jason
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] LumpiStefan:
Maybe you have to upgrade your GPS-Version. Latest is 2.08. Don't know exactly which version supports WM2003

HTH

Stefan
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] koponet:
Re: TOMTOM Navigator 2 Version 2.24

Jason,

there is no need to downgrade to 2002.

Just upgrade to TomTom 2.04 adn GPS 2.08, format your SD Card and re-install the maps. Try to start without any additional POI files.

This should fix your problem.

After this, the TT 2 was running fine on my MDA with this ROM.

regards,
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jason0815:
Success TOMTOM2

@koponet

Thank You!

The new GPS Driver 2.08 was the key to a Working TOMTOM 2

with WM2003 german. :P :lol: :D

Cu Jason0815
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Qman:
Hey Jabba can you post some screen shots!

Thanks,
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Jason0815:
Try pushing the ON/OFF Button long. Is light going on?

Cu Jason 0815

P.S. Try under "Einstellungen/Hintergrundbeleuchtung" a different

setting bei "Batteriebetrieb"
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] koponet:
I've updated the link with some screenshots of this release.

Check http://www.mathiaspohl.de/mda

regards,
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] zork66:
Yes, I can switch on the lights by pressing the powerbutton. Modifying the settings in "Einstellungen/Hintergrundbeleuchtung" doesn't make any difference.

If this phenomenom appears more often only a reset does help.

Bye, Dennis.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Qman:
Thanks for the screen shots koponet!

I noticed that there is a Today plug-in for T-Zones and a Start menu icon for MMS are they built-in? If so I wonder if they will be included in the US release.

>I've updated the link with some screenshots of this release.

>Check http://www.mathiaspohl.de/mda

>

>regards,
[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] koponet:
The T-Zones plug in was already a part of the german WM 2002, the MMS application is now "pre-installed" (a part of the rom).

You can also download this MMS application for WM 2002 on the german T-Mobile website.

Koponet,
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] thedisturbedone:
Galaxy S4 Dump with wallpapers, ringtones, s-voice apk and demo video for anyone interested. The whole system dump is also available.

Grab it from here:

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/26...y-s4s-system-dump-now-available-for-download/
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] josephnero:
To get the new S-Voice flash the old one hacked by wanam and then install new one as normal app.i have it working on my T since it first leaked

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=39658383#post39658383
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] vdsirotkin:
does it wake up when you say "hi, galaxy?" :D
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] josephnero:
no it doesnt unfortunatly
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] striker280:
Has anyone tried supercharging their neo L? What are the steps required? And do i need unlocked bootloader for this? I'm running stock ics 4.0.4 build 4.1.b.0.631

Thanks
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Ghostfreak NB:
Unlocked bl is not needed I can assure that cos I've supercharged even on locked bl!

As for Neo L,wait for people to reply;)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] swiftcity1305:
yes you can, but you need to patch your service.jar to get 100% supercharged.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Phillip Wu:
For me ! I've once supercharged my device and man yeah the RAM is around 200MB+ but i got bad graphic experience when gaming ! So that is why i've never agree with those who said that supercharger will boost gaming :P
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] striker280:
do you guys know any speed tweaks that work on the neo L? I was just wondering how would 97 loopy smoothness tweak work?

Thanks again
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] def-g:
I'm running Skynote 8.2 (AWSOME!!!!!) but I want S Voice to be my default for Bluetooth head set. My question is what file do i freeze in TB? Also will freezing said file affect Google Search?

G
[Motorola Droid 4] alex94kumar:
Are we supposed to be able to use OTG on Jellybean? I am unable to use anything... I even installed the ICS module from the thread in the dev section, but to no avail..
[Motorola Droid 4] pseudox:
I also was wondering this, I know it used to be that you needed to have a special cable that needed power.
[Motorola Droid 4] dbreezy187:
Jumped back on stock and tried with my hd dock and I still am able to use mouse keyboard and flash drive.... I don't know what otg features you seek but I'll dig out my home made dock tomorrow and try... (just a homemade otg cable with a USB hub and power spliced into a cheep business card holder)
[Motorola Droid 4] alex94kumar:
I have one of these

and it doesnt work
[Motorola Droid 4] dbreezy187:
I'm guessing you have a y cable for that or a powered USB hub... external devices require power... if you don't that's why its not working...
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kanso_shiragi:
Is it possible to get cornerstone on the nexus 10?I really want it but I couldn't find anything about it being on nexus 10.help please
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_boo:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2176723

Here ya go
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kanso_shiragi:
Thanks.now I just have to play the waiting game
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] mrallyluz:
​

Hello everyone

I will make this thread to Request some DEVS and Testers to work with me in a port of CyanogenMod 7

First of all, to become a tester you need:

Know use odin

Install a custom kernel with Clock Work Mod (Savie Duos)

Know to soft Unbrick a soft brick

And make reports of bugs

You want? Please post here

To work as dev you need know

Know use odin

Install a custom kernel with Clock Work Mod (Savie Duos)

Know to soft Unbrick a soft brick

And make reports of bugs

Work in fixes

and More

Please I'm will try booting up with CM7 on we Galaxy Y Duos and start Porting It
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] BLACKSTAR:
Dont you think you should 1st fix the bugs of ported hyperion ?
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] Deleted member 4925735:
Its really hard to PORT cyanogenmod. You need to build it from source.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] mrallyluz:
I know about this. But CyanogenMod it's a Dream. Only try to boot
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] deathnotice01:
booting it is easy,

for example, if SGY had a stable version of CM7,

SGY-D will have a difficult time getting the dual-sim to work
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] BLACKSTAR:
Ya i agree!!:D

But i think you should concentrate on 1 rom..

I will be glad to help and assist you in your rom.:p:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] hell_lock:
Forget it.

Even if you wanna try then get a cm7 compatible kernel first..
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] mrallyluz:
All kernel with Clock Work Mod can booting a Cm7
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] hell_lock:
Lol no.. cwm doesn't make the cm7 boot.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luckyplanet:
Running 4.2.2 Vanilla stock rom on galaxy nexus. Noticed that whenever I type long emails through the native email app, the email is sent as one long line without any line breaks. This makes it very annoying for the other person to have to horizontally scroll through to read the entire message. Any fixes to this or work arounds? Thanks for the help!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luckyplanet:
any help? no one else has this problem?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M4rt1n94:
AW: email line break

Dont you have the button which is pressed on my screenshot ??

maybe you can activade it at the keyboardsettings :)

View attachment 1841283

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luckyplanet:
Thanks for the response. The return key is enabled. The email flows nicely when I'm composing on my screen. However, when it is sent to the other person that it does not line break and appears as one long line.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] golf:
Hello,

unfortunately my stylus cap came off.

Now the longer part of the stylus is stuck in the XDA :-(

Any ideas how to get it out again?

many thanks

golf
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Rudegar:
if you cant put the upper part into the xda and screw it a bit on and then pull it out

then maybe a longer metal or what ever stick with the same size thread

would be able to get screwed into the pen and then you can pull it out
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] golf:
Thanks for the very quick reply.

When it happened for the first time I was able to "reconnect" screwing the top part on.

But now it's not deep enough. I just doesnt connect, because the main part slid in to far or the thread doesn't grip :-(

I called O2 and they said I would have to send it in...

Very anoying...
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] Rudegar:
well a long screw with the same size and the top would be able to connect would it not ?
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] cruisin-thru:
You need to get something with the same thread as the top half but longer, then just screw it in and pull the lower half out, if it is broken off then thats a different story.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] golf:
Thanks folks.

I will stop by at a DIY shop and see if I can find a long screw somewhere...

cheers

golf
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] dadarkmcse:
I had this happen to me. I put some Krazy Glue in the top half and then pushed it onto the bottom half - waited about 20 sec, then it pulled out without a problem. My issue was the both screw threads became completely stripped.

Jon.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] tabbycat:
I used the handle end of a small artist's paint brush.

The tapered, plastic shaft was just the right size to push into the stuck portion of the stylus.

Obviously you'll need to hunt around for the right size, but most households will have something similar.
[MDA, XDA, 1010 General] golf:
Thank you, the screw did it

I am happy to inform you that with your help yesterday I managed to release the stylus.

A long screw did the the trick for me easily.

Now the only problem left is the unstable screen color, but that's something I have to live with...

thanks again

golf
[Android Themes] jfreshh330:
I tried UOT kitchen, i got security issues. Im currently running Sons of Android ROM 4.2

.2 for SGH-T989.

MY QUESTIONS:

1.) When theming, what must be compatible in order to succeed?

Like the kernel, android version, LCD density?

2.) My current phone does not support 1% battery increments in framework.apk/res/drawable-hdpi nor in systemui.apk/res/drawable-hdpi...

Can I just copy and paste 1% pngs? or would i have to use uot kitchen, ninjamorph, etc.

All I really am trying to do is edit my battery icons.

Any help would be appreciated!!
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] add12364:
Hey,

I have a question regarding rooting and upgrading.

Before i root, I would like to know if I do root, how will I upgrade to KLP when it is released for nexus 10?

Do i have to restore?
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] altimax98:
It depends on the situation. If you root, using a backup app like carbon or titanium backup will ensure anytime you update or change a rom you keep all your goodies. If your root only and don't change your rom you will get the OTA and it will lose root (easy to fix) and your stuff will stay.

Changing your rom is a different story though
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] add12364:
So on stock...

I'm on stock, but when klp releases, can i just update ? Would jb> klp be too big of a change that a lot of bugs may arise?

For example, I used to have a rooted nook color, it updated and I got unrooted... There ended up being bugs even after I rerooted it...

I am just wondering is updating then rerooting the correct method...
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] altimax98:
It's stock Google software. I had a Nook Color as well and they tried to block root on it anyway they could. There is no knowing if the upgrade to KLP will be easy (history tells us it will be) and root should be on board almost immediately after release, at the very worst you would have to reroot but that is nothing.
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] add12364:
Thanks!
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ttige:
Other question in the same vein:

I have a rooted n10, but I changed the kernel. Will I have to revert to update?
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dibblebill:
Probably yes, but worth a shot first, atthe kernel question. I'm just going to wait utnil a AOKP KLP comes out, myself.
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FredC94:
About Key Lime Pie I read somewhere that KLP will ne only available on quad core devices..
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EniGmA1987:
When you are rooted there is no point to updating to a new Android version via OTA. You simply go from the ROM you are on, to installing a new version of the same ROM based on the new Android version. Developers like to keep their ROM updated, so usually you will see all the most popular ROMs updated to the latest and greatest version of Android within a day.

If you try to do OTA then you usually lose root, you often have to re-lock your bootloader, you have ton verify you are on the stock rom AND kernel, and then still hope you are "stock enough" to have the update be successful. That is just way too much work and not worth it at all when the alternative is to just flash a new version of a ROM and be done with it.
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_boo:
It depends if you are stock rooted or on a custom rom...

If you are stock rooted but have Twrp you could do the OTA reboot to recovery and root checker will install super SU for you

If you don't have Twrp... Nexus devices are easy to root anyways

Or use an OTA root keeper app
[One (M7) General] lurchie85:
Hello together,

i don´t find a similar Thread for the One with my Speaker problems. So i start a new one:

I got the following problem:

When i play a Sound with my Phone after 2-3 seconds the Speakers do a "klack" Sound in front of the shut down.

example:

When i press Volumen + or - the Phone plays a Sound, around 2-3 seconds later the Speaker do a "klack".

the problem seems for me similar with the problems the Galaxy Nexus got.

Someone can confirm that?
[One (M7) General] serialtoon:
I get that with my Nexus 4 and almost every other Android phone i have used. I can mostly only hear it if i used some sort of volume boosting mod/app or if i hold my phone close to my ear after a sound is played. I think its normal, but annoying.