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[Galaxy S 4 General] katamari201:
All the differences are very minor, like how the GS3 had the dual-core krait and the quad-core exynos and the two versions didn't differ much performance wise. You'll see slightly better benchmarks and battery on the exynos version, but that's about it. The snapdragon one will have LTE and be far more compatible with apps and games. You will also pay much more for the octa exynos one, which will be rare to find as the majority will be the snapdragon version. Samsung is gonna update the more widespread version first, which is the snapdragon one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
The Exynos variant has the same graphics chip as i(diots)Phone. Most games are developed and optimised for this chip. So I think it should be the better choice for gamers. (like me :D)
[Galaxy S 4 General] morning thunder:
Not close at all

Exynos = 27417

S600 = 23607

Source:

http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s4_exynos_5_octa_benchmarks_top_the_charts-news-5769.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Are you kidding me? You really think you'd notice that tiny difference from a score that is reported from Antutu? What's it going to do? Open an app a few milliseconds quicker?

When you say the word "HUGE" difference, there really isn't a huge difference.

But again, I've bought into the whole LTE thing because again LTE is now EVERYWHERE I travel to and live. So when I'm surfing the web or tethering for my work laptop, I'll see a much larger increase in internet speeds than I do with the speeds that are similar to my i9300.

I believe my i9300 got around 4.5 mbps at it's best while my GF's SGH-i747 got around 17 mbps, this is in OC, CA USA. This is a HUGE difference.

But yeah, for the countries that are getting the Octa and a working LTE chip, they're the real winners. I don't see why they wouldn't go with the i9500 version.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Here's some stuff from GSMArena

Audio quality

Both smartphones did greatly in our dedicated audio quality test. Last week when we reviewed the HTC One we found it to have the best audio output of any smartphone we have tested over the past few years, but the Samsung Galaxy S4 didn't go down without a fight.

In fact, we were shocked to find out that the Samsung flagship had a cleaner output than the HTC smartphone. While both are perfect when attached to an active external amplifier, the Galaxy S4 remained just as great when we plugged in a pair of headphones, while the HTC One took a hit to its stereo crosstalk.

Still, it's a difference that's very hard to detect without lab equipment, so for purposes practical the two are on par. What is not so hard to hear is the difference in volume levels - the HTC One is notably louder than the Samsung Galaxy S4 in both test scenarios.

And here go the results so you can see for yourselves.

Test	Frequency response	Noise level	Dynamic range	THD	IMD + Noise	Stereo crosstalk

HTC One	+0.11, -0.20	-82.7	82.7	0.0023	0.026	-80.9

HTC One (headphones attached)	+0.02, -0.32	-82.4	82.3	0.0045	0.057	-68.3

Samsung Galaxy S4	+0.25, -0.16	-82.5	82.4	0.0033	0.023	-81.5

Samsung Galaxy S4 (headphones attached)	+0.27, -0.15	-82.3	82.2	0.0053	0.029	-79.5

The HTC One is one of the best DACs they have ever tested. The SGS4 is close to comparable than it. They mentioned that there's more power in the HTC One. It might be a tad more crisp possibly due to an amplifier someone mentioned earlier. But they are still comparable. So the DACs still might be on par.

But note that Supercurio doesn't agree witht he way GSMArena performs their test.

Still a mystery to me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bataga:
I wouldn't (and don't) care what supercurio says he will do as far as development goes. Look at how he punked out with the nexus 10. Acid audio is better than voodookie imo so...
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Yeah, i have mad respect for him but after he went off on guhvanoh on his Siyahkernel it kind of made my scratch my head a bit.

I think the Wolfson DAC will still be a bit better, but GSMArena has praised the SD600 DAC, the SGS4 isn't as good as the HTC One or Butterfly but it's still good and marginally close in performance to them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bataga:
I will likely still use my note for music since it sounds perfect with the acid sound mod and my audio system. I liked what superman did with the color adjustments in the past but i read somewhere that the s4 has it built in for users to adjust to a more natural look.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Zahid Ali:
Wolfsons chip is in octa version not in sd600. Gsm arena has tested SD600 version 19505
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
I know. But I don't think you read my post thoroughly. GSMArena praised the SD600 audio in the HTC One and in a comparison they're pretty close with the HTC One being a bit louder than the SGS4. but the point is that it's pretty good.

Please reread my post.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hot_spare:
Still makes no sense. Wolfson has no relation to the test conducted on 600. Whether the 600 DAC is good or bad has nothing to do with the Wolfson.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Is there any audio chip comparison between the two variants?
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
A GPU can only show its full potential when the game is optimized to run on that specific GPU. The S4 is not even released, meaning it is on pre-released software running a game not optimized for it and your complaining about lag...

How about you wait until the phone is released and developers have had a chance to optimize their game for the PowerVr GPU and then come back and make your comparisons?
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
It's a PowerVR GPU, how much optimization can they make that doesn't already exist in games for this architecture?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Skrazz:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39672707&postcount=14
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
This is a comparison between the S600 of the HTC One and the S600 of the SGS4. There are no test of the Octa for the SGS4 that I know of.

But the test say that they are close in performance and both are good DACs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] soraxd:
the thing it breaks down to, for me at least, is my s3 on Boffela sound, sounds so... perfect in my car stereo.. I've used many phones and many mp3 players, and s3 is the end all to be all for my personal setup I've got going on.. will the s4 be able to make my car come alive the way my s3 is doing right now?
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
The S4 will be the first android device ever using a PowerVR GPU which means that there isn't too many game developers who have optimized their android games for this GPU. Optimization can make a huge difference in the performance but it is up to the developers to make full use of the GPU's potential. Plus why would Samsung release a device with a GPU that is not up to the task of running current games smoothly?
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Well why don't you check out the test results from GSM Arena and compare them to other test?
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
FFS, your own Galaxy Nexus has a PowerVR GPU you ignoramus. The S1 also was a 540. It's far from being the first device with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Because it's running an architecture that the large majority of games are already optimized for, doesn't matter which OS it's on, ultimately the GPU needs to process the game in the same way. A lot of the games are also ports of games that are already optimized, I wouldn't expect too much extra performance out of it, maybe a bit, but nothing of epic proportions, you will most likely be very disappointed..
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
The PowerVR in my galaxy nexus was an old GPU and was already used in the Galaxy S1 before the Galaxy Nexus came out. Which other android device has the exact same GPU as the i9500 Galaxy S4? None?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Just a thought came in my mind

early snapdragon adopters , think twice before getting it! . Samsung is using sd600 only because of the non availability of octa due to production issues. Surely in the coming months they will phase out sd600 in many regions and bring in octa instead. So there is a possibility of getting stuck with sd600 whereas the later batches will come with octa.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shammyh:
This is based on.... what exactly? Your intuition? Or something factual?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
Yeah, I see no reason to go with the Octa. It's like waiting on 10hp bump in a car that already has 500hp. You won't even notice it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
think of this,do you think samsung will keep on using sd600 soc even after their own exynos soc is ready for mass production? from business point of view i dont think so. The reason samsung went for sd600 is that their exynos chip was not ready for masses at the time of s4 launch and probably that should be the reason why samsung kept their mouth shut about cpu during launch. You cannot rule out the possibility.

Things wont change much for US customers may be, but the rest of the world should not be surprised if they get exynos version in a month or so.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
And this is based on what?On some of those early gameplay videos?which are not even running final software?

Or on those benchmarks,which don't emulate our *real.world* gaming performance:confused:,again running pre-release software.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
TI OMAP 4470 uses same 544 GPU. I think it's a 2 core instead of a 3 cores like in GS4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Omap 4470 has a sgx544mp1(1core) gpu clocked at a lower 384mhz.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
It's based on how much people seem to be expecting out of this GPU.

Also, what final software? It's running 4.2 already. Is there some magical software we should be expecting that's going to change all of this significantly enough that it'll make the Adreno 320 look like complete garbage in games like Modern Combat 4 for example?
[Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
When it come to technology...there's always gonna be something better in a month or two...just something you gotta learn to accept

So we wait a month or two for more exynos models to be shipped to other countries...guess what happens than? Time for new and better phones in another month so might as well not get the exynos and wait another month for an even better phone. The better phone is released and now there's rumors for an even better phone coming soon....its a never ending cycle
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
ofcourse its a never ending cycle, but people love to see development and support atleast for a year. I have seen many people who are limited to sd600 due to the lack of availability of exynos version, but if they wait for a month or so they may have a better chance of getting what they had planned to get initially.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Wow 4.2 means final software ?.I thought people had knowledge here.

Though I agree that both GPU's have disadvantages-advantages,in different areas(if differences are big enough we will have to wait and see) ,and adreno 320 is already a great gpu which can run games like mc3 smoothly ,so no way it would look like garbage ,at that smoothness.

Either Samsung has decided to make crap out of their exynos soc or there was a lack of software optimisation.

Only two possible reasons for the lag we saw on the gameplay video,and 2nd option looks more valid to me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
Final software is not referring to the version number... When a company is testing a device before its a released they use a build of android that has not been polished yet . In other terms, there are bugs in the software that are not resolved yet which is not something that the company wants to present to the end user.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
LTE was never important to me until I saw my GF's SGS pull off 20 mbps. How long do you think I would have to wait for a Octa LTE working version in my region? I bet I'd have to wait till the Note 3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
You didn't specify what software you were talking about, so what is it specifically that you think is causing issues? Be a bit more detailed than "software optimization" and "final software" if possible.

I think clock speed (or lack thereof) possibly being one of them as well. I don't think it's an optimization issue, but we don't know for sure right now, I guess we'll see, I still think some people are going to be disappointed. Time will tell.

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Yet the S600 version seems to be working quite fine.

BTW I know final software is not referring to the version number. ;) Don't let the comment fool you, just a little misunderstanding about what I thought he meant at the time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
i know it's true... but exynox ist a new cpu and made by samsung... and without LTE (i think lte it's a great arguement when you resell a teléphone, better than 2000 points on antutu) !!!

I think, it's too early, especially with the argument : "samsung can't produce enough cpu"... it's frightning...
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
The exynos may be about 5% better in performance but seriously, isn't the S600 fast enough? And in Singapore, LTE is becoming faster and more widespread so it's a pretty important factor for me at least. And also, CM10.1!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nik0la:
I'm confused by gsmarena review. THD and IMD + Noise are both lower on sg4 than on htc one. And crosstalk is better on sg4. Doesn't that mean that the dac in sg4 is better??
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
+1

U said all, as well this....

http://m.intomobile.com/2013/04/11/...ed&utm_campaign=Feed:+IntoMobile+(IntoMobile)

When someday early LTE becames free i want to know what people will do with their NO LTE 700 bucks phones.....but, after all many says now dont need or want LTE...ehehe

Bad move from sam...we are talking about a $$$$$ phone, not a $.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
Is there a difference between photo captors (the most important thing for me) between the 2 models?:confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
And in Singapore, LTE is same price as 3G at least for now :D:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
have we the benchmarks for snapdragon version with the new firmware?
[Galaxy S 4 General] tietherope:
In Canada LTE and 3G are the same price as well. You buy a data plan with no speed distinction and if you have an LTE sim card and phone, you get LTE. I wasn't aware the cost was higher in some places.

But then again we have 3 years contracts and some of the most expensive phone plans in the world, so it's all a trade off.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
The thing is samsung couldn't produce the cpu at the targeted schedule, and now they have announced its ready for mass production right? :)

By the way the wait and play game might work only for people who are getting sd600 with their country not even ready for lte yet and/or if lte is not in an affordable cost in their country.

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
i don't agree with that: the important is the future and the resell value!

And without 4g/lte in one year, i don't think it's a good investissment.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
Real world performance between these devices will be near the same. Of course, no need to debate if Sammy can figure out how to make the chipset work with more radios. Perhaps it really can, but Samsung needs to leverage other sources due to the massive volume of devices they are selling.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
Why are so many people talking about LTE becoming free??!?! I don't think LTE will ever be free....not even freaking "edge" is free. Even with a dumb phone you still gotta pay $10 a month for unlimited internet.

Wait until there are unlimited plans across all or most networks for LTE before you even start thinking about it being free.

No network can currently be able to support the bandwidth of free lte...
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Not that, I was saying "leave the sh*t (aka Exynos) for us", not the difference. He said that the Snapdragon is better so I told him to buy that one and leave Exynos for us :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Of course won't be free in word term but within what we pay today for our plan.

3 years ago I paid 10" for 100mb/week now i have 1Gb for 5"

1 year ago my calls outside my carrier had an extra cost, now i can call for all unlimited

Here when it came out LTE it cost about 20$ with some mb, now costs 10$ with 3Gb

No doubt yourself the next promotional step from carries will include LTE in the plans we pay today.

The differences between 3G or 4G in a smartphone are huge, coverage and speed.

Try and u will see...... clear currently pay an extra cost does not outweigh the benefit, but soon ........
[Galaxy S 4 General] ShadowLea:
I'm a little shocked nobody here seems to know this:

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/28/samsung-exynos-confimed-lte-exynos-5-octa/

"According to SamsungExynos the Exynos 5 Octa will support all the bands of LTE (20)."
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
You clearly haven't kept up with this thread then. That link and others have been posted like 20 times.

There is no confirmation or %100. The only thing Samsung said is that their Octa can support any radio, doesn't guarantee it's in there.

As of right now, I think only Qualcomm is working on a LTE chip that works for all bands.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
@shammyh

Samsung semiconductors is there for a while and it's not new for them to manufacture different things simultaneously. Don't forget that note2 was launched with same hardware all over the world(think so). Also apart from UK and USA the remaining part of the world(mostly) is getting octa, there is no way samsung will launch s4 with a processor that is struggling with thermal issues. What makes you think that big little is not a better architecture? I also saw some stress test and thermal camera results for octa based s4 here in few threads and it looks absolutely normal. So once they ramp up the production it is perfectly possible to ship 9500 model to non lte regions.

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Xda should code that if you didnt read last 10 pages you cant answer.

Lock the xda dev. Give invites.

Create newbie restrictions...

Sorry for offtopic. But ppl need to start reading.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shammyh:
Yea, obviously. Samsung Semiconductor is the 2nd largest chip fab on planet Earth (according to Wikipedia and iSuppli). They manufacture many many many different things simultaneously, that's not the point. The point is what makes them the most money to manufacture. And if you read what I wrote, you'd see that I agree big.LITTLE is indeed a good idea, but that it's still new. And new tech isn't always perfect.

Also, it's not just the US and the UK that are getting the Snapdragon. Most of western Europe is also getting the Snapdragon, and a few select spots in Asia as well. Not too mention that here in the states, a non-LTE phone is kinda a waste. LTE is being rolled out in full force over here, and it's quite a step up from HSPA/HSPA+. Just to pull numbers out of my a**, I'd guess at least half of all GS4s shipped will be Snapdragons. Possibly more.

Hey, I don't work at Samsung, so I can't really say for sure what's gonna happen. But I still sincerely doubt the Snapdragon regions will ever see an Exynos version of the Galaxy S4 sold via regular retail channels. The Note 3? Quite possibly, as Samsung will have already done a big production run of the previous Exynos silicon, and will have better experience producing it in volume.

SoC/Processor design/manufacture is a complicated process from beginning to end. Chips are produced in batches, and then "binned" for the appropriate frequency and power among other things. It's quite possible that in the current production run, there's a much lower yield then they initially wanted. Aka, only a certain percentage of chips per wafer are actually usable, or something like that. Also, remember phone demand is elastic not inelastic. Once you've sold a customer a Galaxy S4, they're unlikely to buy another one. Hence, if you've already moved millions of Snapdragon GS4s, why would you go back and start selling a different version after? You wouldn't.

And finally, seeing as we don't know Samsung's internal plans, it's entirely possible they always intended to have 2-3 versions of the GS4. Again, just because Samsung is a huge fab doesn't mean they can entirely devote production to the Exynos SoC. Diversity is important in supply chains. Frankly... all the talk around here comparing the Snapdragon to the Exynos is also getting old. Both are great SoCs, and while obviously the SoC is the "heart" of the device, there's far more in common between the two versions than there is different.
[Galaxy S 4 General] angelos208:
better the galaxy s4

I prefer the galaxy s4
[Galaxy S 4 General] codeworkx:
snapdragon -> codeaurora -> easier to develop for -> more custom roms / more complete

exynos -> ?????? -> hard to develop for -> less custom roms / more bugs

we all know that the code used on the nexus 10 is far away from what samsung is using on their own devices.

and please stop calling it octa. it is no octa core cpu.

these are two quad cpus which can't work together. only one of them can be active at the same time.

and i'm not sure if it can run A15 optimized code like the snapdragon does because the little quad is an A7 which probably can't.

that would be another point for the snapdragon.

if i would get one, then the snapdragon variant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
You cannot ditch your love exynos cody:D.

Edit :

There are already plenty of devs for snapdragon version. But you are class apart from them especially when it comes to dealing with poor exynos code. Though I know you would blindly reject my request, I would love to see you handling exynos once again. :p

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] pjm1891:
This will probably happen sooner than later in most places, my carrier Telenor here in Sweden ONLY has LTE/4G plans for new customers and for those who are up for renewal. All 3G plans are being phased out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chriskwarren:
Battery life and GPS performance is most important for travelers like myself.

Any potential differences between the GPS performance of the two variants? The qualcomm-made Xperia ZL (different chipset I know from the S600) gets a GPS lock much faster than my Note II (software could also be a factor).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
It is the official name of the chip: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5octa.html

So it would seem strange not to call it by its name.

BTW the name is "OCTA" not "OCTA CORE" which is not really incorrect because it does not mention cores. Qualcomm calls their SoC's "Snapdragon". But they are not real Snapdragons ;) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon

Its just a name and it means nothing. But it the OFFICIAL name of the processor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] resore:
actually it is octa core and it is possible to run on all eight cores at the same time. go learn before you spam bs
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
I am just saying "Octa" is just the name. It could have been 220 cores and Octa would still just be a name. Like Xbox360. The number does not relate to any specifications on the hardware.

BTW stop being jerk. It is especially not very smart when you are wrong. Yes it is 8 cores but it can only run 4 at the time. Besides I did not made any comments about how many number of cores it was running so maybe you should read, THINK, and then maybe post. All I did was giving the reason for why it could be called "Octa" since it IS the official name.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
That's actually only half correct. The big.LITTLE configuration can be produced or configured in different ways. Ones where only 4 cores are used at a time, and switch back and forth between a 4 or 4 configuration, and ones where a load can be spread across all 8 cores. As far as I know, Samsung hasn't implemented the latter, theirs is a 4 or 4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Trentors:
My point exactly :)