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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Who cares about which phone's more "efficient?" The SGS4 has a 12% larger battery than the One. As long as its additional or different features don't use more than 12% more energy what difference does efficiency make? Again, unless the amount of electricity you use to keep your phone charged is important, the only thing that matters is range. And the reason stand by time matters is because most people do a combination of things with their smartphones; including nothing. So when you're not glued to a web browser for 525 minutes straight (the SGS4's range) how well it balances power use across other things is important and counts.

There's no doubt that AMOLED performs worse energy-wise on light colors. On GSMArena's battery tests the SGS4 should do better than it's showing on the video test because darker colors in that test tend to favor AMOLED. The reason it's not doing better is because of all the sensors actively anticipating actions to execute; that and the 1.9GHz clock speed. The reason it does worse on the browser test is because that test favors light backgrounds which tax AMOLED. There it performs 12% worse than the One (but 40% better than the i9300). As for tip toeing around the use of light colors with AMOLED that argument no longer applies to a device that can get eight hours of battery life on light backgrounds as GSMArena's browser test shows. If you're awake 16 hours a day are you going to spend eight of them looking at light colors on your smartphone? If the answer's yes I'd suggest you have bigger issues in your life than battery performance. ;) And if you need more range for an SGS4 you can just pop-in a spare battery.

Want an efficiency project? Figure out why the One's stand by time sucks so badly that its endurance rating is below the DNA's but yet greatly exceeds it when performing specific functions. And the One has a 13% larger battery, smaller display than the DNA, and S-600 is supposed to be 20% more efficient than the S4 Pro in the DNA.

Samsung has nothing to do with big.LITTLE. Zero. Zilch. Nada. It's ARM's technology and architecture that Samsung's relabeled "Octa." Samsung can certainly f- up the drivers and s/w but Octa is 100% big.LITTLE and was developed in conjunction with ARM. No offense, but since ARM's only business is chip design I'm going to side with them on the practicality and versatility of a chip they're betting their entire future on.

There's calculated brightness and perceived brightness. Look up some of GSMArena's discussion on AMOLED where they talk about reflectance. AMOLED as Samsung uses it has a lower cd/m2 number than similar LCD panels but reflectance and the infinite contrast make it appear brighter than it really is (while still not as bright as some LCD panels). Having an LCD vs. AMOLED discussion is like discussing gasoline engines vs. diesels. There's no clear winner and it comes down to people's priorities. I'm fine with either.

Until I see two or more devices side-by-side with varying brightness levels I'm sticking with it's all in your head. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
But that's the point right? The measurements already factor in the 12% larger battery and other factors you mention. So there is no shaking one's posterior 10 times to defecate straight. How can they be equivalent for talk time and web browsing and how can the One be superior for browsing and GPS navigation (my main two uses on a smartphone) while the S4 has a 12% larger battery? It does matter!

It doesn't have to be 8 hours glued to your phone, even starting at 4 hours. Also let's not forget that the GSMarena tests use 50% of maximum brightness for their battery testing. When using the phone outdoor (e.g. for GPS navigation), the observed battery performance will take a big hit because the phone will be using maximum brightness or closer to it. The Galaxy S2 was rated for 8 hours of web browsing in the GSM Arena tests and still in daily use it barely manages 4 hours.

The S4 is certainly an improvement, and will not require you to tip toe around the use of light colors as you say, but still given the same amount of calories, I always choose the tasty food.

Yep. This is exactly my point, over time, I expect the HTC One to be the better performer as I have no doubt this will be fixed. Having said that, I don't think the community or HTC needs my help to fix this. :D

Why should I be offended. I make the same analysis that you do about the future (one post further). My reasons for doubting the initial results for the present are just the same as everyone else's.

I liked that theory, too. However it is flawed in a number of ways.

Black levels do not matter when your eyes are attuned to higher brightness. Unlike a light meter, because human eye adapts to lightning conditions, they will perceive contrast differently under different lightning conditions. the portion of light that is reflected only accounts for a portion of the perceived contrast.

GSM Arena's measurements look at dynamic contrast under simulated sun lightning conditions, using black and white patterns in succession. Human eye on the other hand does not perceive tones in succession, therefore in-picture contrast is more important and this cannot be replicated in a test setting.

Therefore, scientific though GAMarena's testing may be, it is of little practical value, except to say that AMOLED's are not as bad as they seem under direct sun light.

As you say, this does not mean they are inferior, in fact I have a Kuro plasma at home, not an LCD, which shows that I do value the merits of deeper blacks in an indoor setting. But in a smartphone I am looking more at outdoor performance. But that's just my way of using a smartphone. As you say, every one should reflect on this based on their own appreciation.

I am inviting you to a tour of smartphone shops in Frankfurt. Within 3 minutes walking distance, you will see 3 HTC One devices with brightness ranging from 390cd/m² to 476cd/m². Besides I have now posted the measurements using the same testing device, so I don't think this question is open for debate anymore. But if you can still find within yourself to disagree, please feel free:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39667951&postcount=141
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
GT-I9500 vs GT-I9505...Differences are huge!

This was the title of the thread.

If you want to discuss GS4 vs HO, post in appropriate thread. You are lucky that you can discuss that point. Nornaly such discussions are not allowed.

Don't attempt to hijack the thread with other

useless

and

meaningless

topics.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You're 100% right. Puremind and I have a long debate history and dragging it in to this thread wasn't appropriate. Humble apologies. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
So in conclusion, the differences are not huge. I guess it was a lot of rumbling to prove that point.
[Galaxy S 4 General] daleski75:
Maybe over time with tweaks and firmware updates the differences might get bigger but as of right now I think both versions are pretty much on par with each other.
[Galaxy S 4 General] expertzero1:
another week or 2, more info of the octa version should clear things up
[Galaxy S 4 General] qazibasit:
i am still thinking if an underclocked octa is giving antutu 27k points. what will it be if i overclock it and then benchmark it on aosp rom. it surely will be a beast competing with my i5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] daleski75:
You cannot compare a full blown i5 cpu to a cpu designed for a mobile phone they are radically different the the i5 would leave it in the dust performance wise.
[Galaxy S 4 General] soraxd:
read the first 3 pages, so not sure if the dac debate is still heated, but as i have the i9300 and my brother has the att sgs3, I've done extensive testing under all sorts of software equalizers, hardware equalizers, pushing the +6 ㏈ hw maximum, with many 320kbps, and .FLAC files in a wide range of genre (R&B, heavy vocals, strong female vocals, dubstep, rock, heavy bass) on a range of headphones (Bose, Sennheiser, and crap brands), earphones (stock, iPod), and my current car system (high end JBL, 4 door speakers, 4 tweeters, 2 subs), and a radio clock with AUX input (lol), and can honestly say, you cannot tell which is which.. I'm VERY biased that my international that i dished cash out for is better than everyone else's on contract carrier bloated s3's, but ill be completely honest when i say neither i, nor anyone else i know can tell a difference ..

a good test i suggest, is if you have a buddy who has the other version, send them a song, and play it at the same time on both, close your eyes and have your buddy play one after another, see if you can tell which is which.. that's the way i had to do it.. i was very reluctant to admit my version wasn't as 'superior' as i had liked to brag it was..

diehard audio fan here, who actually DOES care about sound quality, and actually installs and tries all those custom audio mods/engines here; saying you wont know a difference outside of a graphical benchmark..

sorry the post is so long, but needed to be said..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Without a decent kernel the difference won't be huge, but once you install Boeffla you'll notice a huge difference(given that you actually use good headphones).

There is a big difference between the i9500 and i9505, and the i9500 is only going to get better with time as drivers etc. improve. Samsung's phones always perform pretty badly at launch, and improve over time. The HTC One is also no match for the i9500/i9505. The only category it actually wins in is looks(which is very subjective).

Benefits of i9500: Better SoC(CPU+GPU), better battery-life(according to early previews) and better DAC. Benefits of i9505: Better AOSP support(remains to be seen) & 4G.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
What's the difference in price between the two variants?
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
The announced prices in Brazil: R$2.399 for 3G (exynos) and R$2.499 for 4G (snapdragon). Or... 1.200,00 and 1.250,00 $US respectively.

Edit: fixed the BRL -> USD conversion.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] prodnus:
Looks very promising :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] antelmann22:
Wow

Anyone that thinks these DACs are even remotely similar have not a clue what they are talking about. Name me ONE piece of professional audio equipment that uses a Qualcomm Digital Audio Converter...... Didn't think so. Wolfson has been making high end DAC's along with Cirrus for quite a while. Qualcomm has NOTHING on either of them. Whatever helps you guys sleep at night, but lets not act like this is A OK of Samsung to do. For an audiophile or anyone in the industry, it is absolutely unacceptable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Don't spam to get your 10 posts

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[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
I feel like it should be reversed. Like 1250 $US for Exynos :D

Spanish Amazon website is showing GT-I9500 with 699 euros. The black S4 shows in description: "Procesador Quad-Core" but down in characteristics: "Chipset: Exynos 5 Octa 5410."

Calling Amazon, they said: "Yes...looks like is Octa"

I asked: "Are you sure, can you confirm me this information?"

They replied: "We only can give you the information which is wrote in the product page. Unfortunately we can't confirm you that this is the Octa version and you need to call Samsung to help you in this matter."

So...I called Samsung to ask and they replied: "We don't have this information and we can't help you. There is no information about the Galaxy S4 until they will be released."

I asked: "But Amazon said you posted the product on Amazon! At least can you confirm the exact date when S4 will be released in Spain?"

They replied: "Sorry, I don't have a date when S4 will be released and I can't confirm if that product is the Octa version or not until will be out"

So...WTF ? Who published the product on Amazon ? Steve Jobs' ghost ?﻿
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Maybe they're pushing the price of Snapdragon version because 4G it's something brand new here. I still undecided what version to get, I really don't care about DAC stuff but performance and battery.

Everyday I search for new videos on YouTube expecting to find reviews from the Exynos version but all I can find is rips from the damn re-uploaders. Maybe 2 weeks more and all doubts will be gone.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] americasteam:
You're right. Have Qualcomms DACs been improving? Yes. I'm selling my other phones and my new iPod Touch to pick up the S4 or One (75% leaning toward the S4). I'm not expecting the sound quality to meet my standards so I know I'll end up having to get another iPod I'm sure. I work in an office, so it's not that big of a deal, but still don't like to carry 2 devices with me through the work week.

I'm sure we won't be having this same conversation when the Note 3 releases. I expect all versions to have Exynos with the Wolfson DAC. :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
That's possible, but we don't have 4G here either. As I see in Germany the price is 650 euros for S600, but some markets like Spain, where they still don't know what version will get, the price is 699. I expect $50 diference between Octa and S600, with the Octa the more expensive one.

Note 3 will be nice for sure, but too big :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
With the size of S4, Samsung has managed to make it smaller than S3 with 0.2 inch increase in screen diagonal, so we can expect that 5.9 inch Note 3 is probably only a little bit wider. But I'm afraid about if it's taller. The height is the bigger problem with pocket size, not width.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziggazee:
I don't see how they can increase the screen size of the note 3 and keep the same footprint of the note 2. With the galaxy s3 they had more room to work with, for example the bezel on the bottom was huge.. the space between the home bottom and the screen made the phone look abit weird since the bezel on the bottom was bigger than the one on the top. But I think they could do away with the home button on the note lineup of handsets as it would be more inline with an actual notepad and would allow them to increase the screen size without making the phone bigger, plus it would give the note lineup more of its own identity rather than just a larger galaxy phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
facts:

- S4 was presented as an Exynos phone, and that was what everyone thought to buy.

- Was then told to us that there would be qualcomm version, and Exynos wouldn't be available to many consumers.

- After first shock we are all confident S600 version will not be losing much compared to Exynos ....

but these are just guesses

we haven't seen ny proof in hands.

When begin comes out the 2 versions and If comparatives face to face prove Exynos is much better than S600 in all ways, what will do consumers who only have access to S600 version?

I will not buy anything without first seeing these real comparatives, face to face between S600 VS Exynos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] htcplussony:
The S3, that space/gap between the menu button and the screen is always there on any panel. On the S4 they rotated 180 degrees and it is now at the top where 'Samsung' is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziggazee:
Im not sure about the rotation.. as you can see from the image, the bezel on the bottom of the s3 is bigger than the top, usually it would be symmetrical. Therefore they could increase the screen size (edge to edge) without making the phone bigger.. with the s4 the size of the bezel on the bottom is now identical to the one on the top.. don't see how this can be achieved on the note 3 as the note is pretty much edge to edge already.. bigger screen would most definitely mean bigger phone, unless the get rid of the home botton.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziggazee:
Note 2 for.. for comparison
[Galaxy S 4 General] htcplussony:
The space/gap on the Note 2 is at the top. Look at where they placed sensors/cameras(or can't placed them). Just google some pictures of phone panels and you'll see what why.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziggazee:
The space one the top will always be there, for the sensors and speaker.. just like the space on the bottom where you have capacitive buttons. Regardless of these spaces, there's no way of getting a 5.9in screen into that footprint while keeping the home button.

...And I can assure you they're not gonna drop the Samsung logo anytime soon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] htcplussony:
We're not really on the same wave length. I'm just pointing that space/gap exists due to the display panel itself and most of the time it is hidden by writing on the phone. Usually the brand.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mani1999:
Hi does anyone know yet if the octa-core version will come to Austria?

Thanks in advanced....
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
According to SamMobile, GT-I9505 (Snapdragon 600 - 4G)

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/20...variant-of-the-galaxy-s-4-we-have-the-answer/
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
That's true, there was a lot unnecessary space on S3, but even if Note 3 will have the same size as Note 2 will still be too big :rolleyes:

Also yes, Note 2 still had the space, but on the top of screen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
That's the reason why I said about the taller height. The space of upper and downer bezels is not sufficient enough. Or maybe Samsung can follow LG that makes the home button very thin, but anyway this kind of design is so boring now.

A little taller Note 2 is notable in my pocket compared to my Note 1.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziggazee:
I'd prefer if they kept the screen at 5.5in and just update the display to a full hd RGB panel.. maybe make the bezels smaller so the phone it self is smaller. If Samsung can put a microphone on the note 8.0 they'll have no problem making the note 3 a 6.3inch. Any thing bigger than the note 2 is gonna be too big for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] scott14719:
Here is an interesting article about the FCC and "possibly" the AT&T GS4 that has the Exynos Octa-core version and LTE?? The plot thickens...

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/02/...-fcc-with-atandt-lte-bands-fits-the-gs-4-pro/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
That would certainly be a surprise. I doubt it though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
I doubt it... look at the picture, it even says a 1300MAH battery. I don't know what they are talking about.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
Every FCC image for every GS4 so far has shown a 1300MA battery. Not 2600mAh.

And an Exynos isn't an ARM11 anyway is it?
[Galaxy S 4 General] scott14719:
I noticed the battery rating too. The octa is based on Cortex A-15 and cortex A-7 and not Arm11. There is so much misinformation and speculation going on that it is difficult to know what will be until the actual release. Its still interesting to see AT&T list a phone with Exynos and LTE in the same spec page for the FCC.
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
S600 1.7Ghz vs Exynos 1.8Ghz on 3D Mark.

It looks like even at unfavourable clock speeds, the S600 will perform equivalent, even though the S600 was on Android 4.1.1.

Source:

http://www.max-up.ru/news-apple/3dmark-sgs4-exynos-vs-htc-one.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Still not the final version , benchmarks might/might not change when final unit comes out

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[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Yeap....

Now i'm more on S600 LTE side, although benchs results, in daily usage a S4 using LTE will always be faster than a Exynos without LTE.

4G rapidly tends to be cheaper and soon free on countries who have it.

Who cares about bench if net connection is lower. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Note even. And as the user above mentioned, this is not on 4.2 and not even at 1.9Ghz for the s600. I think it is pretty clear that the CPU part will be on par while the Adeno GPU will be better on the S600.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
^^ I am finding it tough to trust a benchmark when the 'Extreme' score is more than the 'Standard' score.

Check Exynos Physics test results.

They need to look at the benchmark properly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
For those who like antutu benchmark

S600 scores 27k here.

Again I would say that exynos variant's performance could improve,since those units(which were benchmarked) were not on final software.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Why? Extreme mode just means the benchmark stresses the processors more, so it is normal that the results are lower?
[Galaxy S 4 General] eoa106:
Free 4G network? In what countries will this be offered? :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Latest Exynos octa benchmarks kills Snapdragon 600

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/04/10...exynos-5-octa-kills-qualcomms-snapdragon-600/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
For those who want a exynos...

Don't forget, we offently sell our phone to buy another one...

And LTE/4G ist a HUUUUUUUGE sell argument!

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Yeahhhh you compar the latest benchmark with an old benchmark?
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Month old exynos benchmarks:D

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
GT-i9505 : 27 417 points.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
So, you still DO NOT want to admit that Exynos is faster and has better battery performance?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ken2802:
faster sure, but only a few milliseconds.

Battery life? where do you have a source for that claim....
[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
No... i'm sure it's a little bit faster (µs)...

For the battery life, it hink so (but how much) but here, i don't see a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference as you claim.

And the exynos has no LTE/4G support for now...

I don't think it's truthfull to release a device in 3 weeks without knowinf if his processor is lte compatible or not...
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
milliseconds could bring huge differences if you are talking about cpu.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
Like what?

What app need this power?

Tell me?
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
I was talking about CPU ,for example look at clock frequency ,even some ms's difference (for a clock to complete) could cause some noticeable changes in normal usage.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Canard caché:
ok what normal uses???

Tell me?

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In addition, your benchmark comes from a optimization of exynos model firmware...

We'll speak when the same optimization firmare will be proposed for the snap model.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
4.2 already updates Gpu drivers on s600 .

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