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[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Uhm... You have no idea what you're talking about.

3D workload is compromised of geometry complexity, fillrate load (Output resolution, texture resolution), and computational workload (Shaders and effects). There is no linear relationship between a) Extreme and Standard suits b) Between the completely different architectures of the 544 and the Adreno 320.

You cannot expect any absolute mathematical scaling between the two situations because you do not know the load between them, the 320 has superior computational power to the 544, that is a fact and reality; the 544 has superior fillrate advantage. Each different benchmark and situation will be bottlenecked by the lowest common denominator in terms of capability of the chip.

What you're seeing here in the new 3DMark is a similar situation than what we saw in GLBenchmark 2.7 on the T-Rex demo; it's hugely compute bound (Although nowhere near the levels of T-Rex), so the 544 gets bottlenecked on the Extreme score, but going from Extreme to Default only will give it a performance advantage to the same degree of the aspect it was bottlenecked to in the first place. The 320 gains are larger because the gains will be wide-spread in all aspects.

The Physics test is a CPU only test, again something which can be simply geometry limited more than anything else. The score not showing (0.5% is way into a margin of error of simply re-runing the tests and getting different results) an improvement can mean a dozen different things, and in the end it's meaningless without knowing the technical aspect of it.

3DMark has been around for, what, 13 years now? Calling one of the industry wide standard benchmark tests biased in one form or another is just a bunch of misinformed and worthless slander.

The Adreno 320 will do better in the future simply because it is a newer and better balanced architecture. But it won't matter, because until we see games even remotely near the complexity and computational workloads that are represented by GLBenchmark 2.5, 2.7 or 3DMark, we'll be already 2 generations ahead in terms of smartphones. There are barely games out there on the level of complexity of Egypt 2.1; for those people the 544MP3 will serve them extremely well because its strengths lie in the workloads represented by today's engines, and they will be faster than the 320 as seem in GLB 2.1 and GLB 2.5.

This is a similar kind of situation as the Mali 400 vs the Adreno 225, the Mali was extremely powerful in terms of fillrate and shading power, but as things progressed of the last two years, and triangle complexity shot up, it got extremely bottlenecked to the point that the 225 is faster all-round in the newest benchmarks. The same situation will happen on the 544 vs the 320, just this time it will be shading power instead of triangle setup rate which will be the Achilles' heel of the architecture.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
@ andrei

i love you :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] puremind:
Just because someone posts informative benchmarks that don't flatter the Exynos doesn't mean he is a troll. If you bothered to look at the HTC One's thread, you would see that I post unflattering stuff about the One, too!

For example, here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2202869

My concern is first and foremost avoid falling pray to marketing presentations and blind optimism and just state the facts. This way more people can make an informed decision.

A post is just what it is, a post, waiting to be debated and discussed. There is no need to become aggressive about factual contributions. I welcome contributions but please keep them on-topic and untainted with bashful remarks. Thanks.

---------- Post added at 02:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:05 PM ----------

Thank you. This is also how I analysed the situation, although I did not know the background about those chips. This post should be posted in every thread that discusses the differences between flagship devices and their processors. It is the most unbiased, factual and well-put analysis I have seen in any thread regarding GPU's and their respective strengths.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Another HTC One vs. Galaxy S4 comparison review

http://translate.google.com/transla...://digital.sina.com.hk/news/-0-1349032/1.html

Screen colors and brightness, One, S4, S3

Sun visibility, color palette

FOV, megapixel map

Details, dynamic range, indoors limited lights, indoors no light, first pictures One, 2nd S4

Benchmarks
[Galaxy S 4 General] Squirrel1620:
Just what I thought,

Indors one is better

Outdoors s4 is better.

So my suggestion from seeing these results is look through your gallery and see what type of picture you take the most. For me, it's mostly indoor with the occasional sunset or building picture but mostly my kid and people indoors
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Depends on the conditions. The One can beat the S4 during night outdoors where the S4 can beat the One indoors, see dynamic range or level of detail samples. I've seen a LOT of shots from each camera and there are pros and cons I guess not free of subjective judgement, but here's how I'd score the cameras. And if you are into camera photography, Lumia 920 must be included.

Excellent light conditions (Sunny daytime)

GS4 9/10 (details, white balance, zoom abilities, dynamic range all in place)

Lumia 920 7/10 (slightly higher noise reduction, some white balance issues but excellent dynamic range)

One 7/10 (low pixel count with noticeable noise reduction, good white balance and quick exposure)

Dull light conditions (indoors strong lights, outdoors bad daytime weather)

GS4 8/10 (still crisp and accurate, no sign of major deterioration)

Lumia 920 7/10 (consistent quality)

One 7/10 (same pros and cons)

Low but sufficient lights (after sunset, average artificial lights)

GS4 6/10 (loss of details but still quite good and and color-accurate, slightly darker results than opposition)

Lumia 920 7/10 (consistent quality)

One 7/10 (same pros and cons)

Night city, no-light indoors

GS4 4/10 (major loss of details, loss of colors, darker than opposition, exposure time limited to 1/15s max as of now)

Lumia 920 6/10 (loss of details but accurate white balance and very manageable quality with good OIS)

One 5/10 (significant loss of details but quite bright compared to the GS4 with okay OIS)

- if all categories matter, once light conditions are sufficient, the Exmor RS just kicks arse with best in generation details, focus and white balance (PureView 808 not counted), this is the best choice

- if you find yourself mostly doing indoors but with sufficient lights, one is as good as any, but the One gives more consistent good shots and the Lumia almost never goes wrong

- if you must do night shots and must do it on a phone, the Lumia 920 is just so much better than the rest
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
^^

IMO still no mobile camera are comparable to compact cameras in low light :rolleyes:

IDK why the mobile makers don't give us manual shutter speed option :cyclops:

BTW the ZSL made the low light pics even worse :silly:

edit : sorry for ot

this image i took at 10pm about 5 month ago with my GS2 in night mode ( damn it really made a big difference from auto )

iso :250

shutter speed : 1/2 sec
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
1/2s is impressive, I reckon you had the phone on the ledge or something still? Is 1/2 an option, Note II does automatically or it needs another app or software tweak? I can handle 1/8 and 1/5 quite well, which would mean twice the thrice the lights than the results of the S4 that top out at 1/15 currently.
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
Hong Kong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dog34A0oMEk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

GT-I9500...
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
lol no . but i set myself on the window :p and no its not option its just night mode

IDK how the night mode work one note 2 cuz the photo in night mode will come without any exif data :/ when using night mode but night mode on my s2 is better IMO :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Some stuttering at 0:11 and some other places! Cached video so its due to the i9500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
There is no stuttering but slight shake of the hand, also some refocusing here and there with the dark background. FPS is consistent 30, which brings me to an interesting observation: according to this Engadget video, night FPS on the One is 20, which is stuttery due to the low count. Furthermore, while the S4 is rock solid in focus during the day (sample below), the One seem to lose focus when the optical image stabilization kicks in, this is worrying and I noticed it in the mobile-review sample too.

I really don't know what is it with the S4's video that make ppl. say it's not very good. It looks very good to me.

[YOUTUBE]ZohVKtZ9Vow[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
1- its not the final software

2- did u see the HTC ONE in night recording ? its shoot like @ 10FPS ( u can see it in anandtech review ) :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Yes did see it ... S4 isn't bad at all and my next smartphone will be S4 :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] darrendm:
http://news.smartphone.bg/review/re...s-4-naj-ba-rziyat-smartfon-sa-zdavan-nyakoga/

[YOUTUBE]QuWf3lxxC-4[/YOUTUBE]

Not sure if has been posted yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It is posted now, much obliged! :good:

Bulgarian Snapdragon 600 review posted

http://translate.google.com/transla...s-4-naj-ba-rziyat-smartfon-sa-zdavan-nyakoga/

Conclusion:

Galaxy S 4 is definitely a masterpiece, especially in terms of function and at first glance it shows that Koreans have jumped with all his strength to prove again that they can create the best product on the market. The device has a large number of supplements intuitive, allowing you to use it in a futuristic way to get used to that will probably take some time, but once this happens, the pleasure will be entirely at your expense.

The software is not the only thing that will impress you at S 4. What fascinates us most is the compact body - Samsung have managed to increase the diagonal screen, while reducing the size of the hull to its predecessor - Galaxy S III. At the very campuses place is first class SoC, developed by Qualcomm, which will care for smooth multitasking. There is also a version with 8 cores (with Exynos 5 Octa), but it is not much faster than a Snapdragon 600, and the reason is that only four of them work as of smartphone requires full power.

Those of you who follow us on a short leash, know that we are promised a little surprise at the end of the show. Anyone who pre-orders for the Galaxy S 4, May 3 (Pre-order does not require pre-payment) when you purchase the phone will receive as a gift a 16-gigabyte super-fast MicroSD Card Samsung of "Class 10" with a 10 year warranty. The condition is under contract in "Additional Information" to record "Samsung Galaxy S 4 - the fastest smartphone ever created."

Pros

Beautiful and relatively compact design

Super detailed Full HD screen with a wonderful contrast

Fast quad-core processor, 2GB RAM

Clear and powerful sound

High quality headset included

Cons

Some gestures only work with the default applications
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Adreno 320 scores 17fps (t rex hd 2.7) in that review even outperforming ipad 4 (16.8 fps)

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

The other side of XDA :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
quoted from gsmarena,all the mystery about new sensors are now cleared

source:

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/what-you-may-not-know-about-galaxy-s4-innovative-techonology/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
MForum Russian review

http://translate.google.com/transla...=http://www.mforum.ru/phones/tests/103217.htm

This one is not particularly impressed by the device, they like it but see no revolution to replace the S3, still a modern flagship phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Chinese review puts Exynos S4 under heat cam

http://translate.google.com/transla...nhuanet.com/info/2013-04/09/c_132293809_5.htm

Xinhuanet provided an interesting heat camera review under various using condition, with the hottest part of the phone being 26.9C in standby mode and 42.6C under maximum stress (heavy gaming). Google translated analysis:

The phone's hardware configuration is more and more powerful, more fluid experience, the heat of the phone has also become more areas of concern. The unique processor Samsung Galaxy S4 test what will be done? Temperature measurement node to select one of the following five situations: off-screen standby, continuous run for 30 minutes the big game, 10 minutes of continuous camera, 3G Internet access for 30 minutes, playing 30 minutes of HD video. Between each test interval of several minutes until the phone cool (room temperature about 20 degrees Celsius).

In addition to running the big game and take consecutive shots in standby, 3G Internet access as well as video playback, Samsung GALAXY S4 temperature is quite satisfactory. The phone's main heating region of the positive the earpiece portion and the back of the Samsung LOGO position of normal use, the hand will rarely touch these locations, so not feel heat. Play the big game and continuously take photos and record video, the phone surface temperature of about 40 degrees near, can obviously feel warm, but not a burning feeling. Overall, the Samsung GALAXY S4 heat control was satisfactory.

The thermal imager shot phone during the work of the fever photos, for your reference.

They also provided screen comparison between various flagsip phones
[Galaxy S 4 General] dragon135:
The white is so grey

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
That's what photography does when the camera adapts to the brightest object, the less bright white will look... grey. There is no issue however because it's bright enough indoors and less reflective than others outdoors - a superb screen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SilentEYE:
Has someone found the battery test that should follow on digital.sina?

Here is the link from a few pages before.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
OMG, S4 white = gray. dafaq?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Terrorantula:
Welcome to OLED whites.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Bulgarian Nixanbal scores Snapdragon S4 8.0

http://translate.google.com/transla...%D0%B2%D1%8E-%D0%BD%D0%B0-samsung-galaxy-s-iv

Another Bulgarian site tested the S4 (what's with Bulgarian sites testing the S4? GSM Arena, PhoneArena and others all got early review units), and they are very impressed except for the design which they don't like

The conclusion

Samsung Galaxy S IV smartphone will be successful and will sell like hot cakes among fans. The company gained momentum in the same way it happened with the iPhone and just in case and the Apple and Samsung realized that consumers are not at any price looking at the overflow of innovation and new goodies smartphone. Therefore, the new Samsung Galaxy S IV offers almost identical design and plastic housing with that of S III, and hardware features a logical upgrade processor, camera and display.

In its flagship But Koreans have worked on software and have added loads of new features that distinguish it from other droids. It will appeal to many consumers, others will just attract curiosity to gesture control, and a third ... Well, you still have to stay and people will buy any of the alternative solutions Sony Xperia Z or HTC One.

Footnote - looking smartphone with a large and bright display that shoots well and breaks benchmarks if you want plenty of software pampering and plastic bodies did not bother - Galaxy S IV is probably just your phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] derWolf_:
nixanbal.com can't make reviews. They are htc fans and don't like Samsung at all. The site gave the same score for the displays of the S4 and the Z which you all will agree is quite funny, keeping in mind the fact that the display of the Z sucks. Overall the score of 8 for the S4 I would say is rubbish and should not be trusted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
I say it's alright whatever they want to give. It's all subjective, and all reviewers are 'skewed' somewhat. As long as they don't give bad 'conclusions', i don't bother about scores that much.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Al Gore:
Sorry is this the main reviews megathread? Having trouble finding reviews for S4 :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] GTRagnarok:
While OLED might have grey whites, LCD has grey blacks. Pick your poison :p

Personally, I prefer OLED for their true blacks. The greyish whites isn't really something you notice unless you do a side by side comparison, but the grey blacks of LCD is something you always notice when you're using it in total darkness.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The S4 doesn't have grey whites for crying out loud, it's white at a lower brightness compared to others. If you photograph the brightest white screen ever made next to a white paper in Sunlight, it will look grey too. But those expecting eye-straining brightness for browsing will be disappointed, cause Samsung SW (for stock browser) tones down the white for eye and energy saving purposes. But you show a pure white image on the S4 and it will look pure white.
[Galaxy S 4 General] GTRagnarok:
Isn't that the same thing? Grey is between black and white, so if you lower the brightness on a white screen, it'll start turning grey. Whatever the case, the S4's OLED screen simply produces whites that aren't as good as LCD screen. Notice, for example, how the white on the HTC One more closely matches the white of the phone's casing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
Except that the casing on the HTC One is not white but rather grey aluminium..

LMAO

And by the way we could say the same thing about true blacks, display a pure black image on both screens and then you will see a color that match the color of the casing (obviously on the black GS4)
[Galaxy S 4 General] GTRagnarok:
And neither is the "white" S4. Both are pretty much the same shade.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
You must be viewing that picture on a potato to think they're the same shade.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It is really not that hard to understand. "White" is not a color but something that is relative to the light source. No matter how "pure white" your iPhone 5 excellent screen is, you put it next to a brighter one and take a photo of it, it'll look grey cause your camera adapts to the brightest point, which is exactly what happens in the S4 screen comparison. If the camera adapts to the white of the S4 screen however, surprise surprise, it'll look pure white. It's a no-brainer, I thought.
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
Sorry to disagree but for me there is clearly a white phone up top (GS4) and an aluminium grey one on the bottom (HTC One)

IDK how you see colors..
[Galaxy S 4 General] GTRagnarok:
I wasn't arguing that. I even said a few posts ago that the white thing really wouldn't be really noticeable unless you do a side by side comparison, in which case the S4 would look greyer.

So the HTC One is slightly greyer, but that doesn't change my argument that smartphones with OLED screens don't produce as good whites as ones with LCD screens. If that's due to them not being as bright, then that's what it is. You can't take the brightness out of the equation. I cropped out the last column of the screen comparison here. It's gotten much better than the S3 at least.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The whole "grey" argument is flawed cause you can't compare brightness as colors, one has something to do with color temperature, the other with amount of light. The S4 displays white as white just not as bright, and it displays grey as grey, in other words a light grey picture and a pure white is not going to look the same as some of you fear it would because the "AMOLED displays grey". It does not. It's a pointless argument as if we were discussing if the phone is too heavy or not. Compared to what?

Please stop doing it in my Review thread. The One, Ip5 are brighter, but all can display white.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Great example of flashing white ... I'm totally blinded LOL
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Lol yeah the greatest example ever:rolleyes:

sent fromXperia sT21i

Everything stock
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
A Samsung exec confirmed the Exmor RS in the Galaxy S4 (in a I9505 presentation), so it is definitely the camera unit all over as the Sony sensor was confirmed in I9500 variants. There is however a little processing difference as the Snapdragon version just a tiny less sharp and detailed at the absolute best areas, looking forward to shots with the release version and different apps.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The Phones4u video review shows how the S4 screen does under daylight.

[YOUTUBE]WlU-Yrua4Hs[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
IMO a very good and precise review :good:

Bottom line :rolleyes:

- Samsung took the iPhone(ish) way, by improving SIII with a better Processor, Camera and Screen.

- Added a lot of useless SW gimmicks (and some useful as well?)

- Wrapped it in expensive commercials and hipeing

No doubt in my mind ... I'm going to buy S4 as soon as it hits the shops in Denmark :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Two Hungarian reviews of the Snapdragon 600 variant and a British

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=hu&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmobilarena.hu%2Fteszt%2Fsamsung_galaxy_s4_negyedik_bovitett_kiadas%2Fbevezeto.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=hu&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobilport.hu%2Ftesztek%2F20130417%2Fsamsung_galaxy_s4_teszt_mindent_bele%2F

http://www.beginnerstech.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Hmm so I was right when I was thinking to myself that the I9505's pictures are off a bit and not as good as the I9500's. I was second guessing myself for a bit there, but was sure they were not as good. That sucks, hopefully they can fix that before release. I don't see how the S600 version should be worse when they are using the same lens and sensor etc.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Most likely post-processing, the drivers are different. But look at this particular one from today's SD600 test, it comes pretty darn close to the Exynos shots, so it's nitpicking from my part, but usually the Chinese samples had that 1% extra. This is from the I9505.
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
Indeed very impressive still O_o

Crazy that it comes from a phone

I've checkd it and it weighs 5,63 Mo !

The OCTA version makes pure awesomeness
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Some shots even hit the 10MB mark, usually the ones with the small details like this (10,5MB). This means very low jpg compression which IMO is the biggest XPeria Z and HTC One issue.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
A bit close, but it looks like there is more noise in the sky and zoomed the detail is not as good to my eyes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
So can we expect improvements in the S600 GS4 variant's pictures? or are we stuck with this second rate (to the Exynos version) camera performance?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
second rate camera performance? why? can you point me to some comparison of images between 9500 and 9505? i might have missed it
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I can point you to them, but I can't guarantee you're eyes are as discerning as mine regarding them. I noticed a difference in the quality. You may also be able to notice it too, in the pictures (and link to others) from an S600 variant that BoneXDA posted on page 24 here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Based on a few pictures? Might just be the placebo effect LOL

We need a head to head compare between both variants made on same conditions.