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[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Outside of your predictable anti-corporate ranting (unless it's HTC of course), I've seen no one criticize Samsung for being anything other than "Apple 2.0" in that they are huge and put out a lot of phones and market very well. No one believes for a second that if Samsung employees were openly trashing the One and telling you to buy their product that it wouldn't kick up a crap storm in two seconds.

A balanced view generally means you're not selective, biased, and blind to criticism. I take it your definition of fair and balanced is right up there with another company who uses the same moniker.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
And now you're trying to make subtle political accusations. Classy.

I'd say that Samsung makes a great phone, the fact that all smartphones, bar none, are measured against the S4 speaks volumes. The fact that Samsung's year of year generational improvements are EXPECTED speaks volumes.

Samsung is the king of not just the Android hill, but the smartphone industry. But don't you think for a second that they are somehow ethically clean compared to Apple. In the US Samsung would be torn apart by the DOJ faster than they took apart AT&T.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
We've been over this. If you think any multi-billion dollar company is ethically clean, then you're employing that selective bias I've already mentioned. Some do worse things then others, and some get away with things while others get them exposed. Nike runs sweatshops for their footwear, and it makes the news. Someone 1/10th their wealth does the same thing, and they're just another "company on the block". A factory in Bangladesh that produces goods for Wal-mart catches fire, and it creates uproar and protest in America. Without Wal-mart or any other popular brand to attach it to, it's another problem in Bangladesh.

Also, expected product line is the epitome of success if it sells well. Car manufacturers, clothing manufacturers, watch manufacturers, video game developers....they all have brands, and they all have lines of those brands. Why would Phones be any different? HTC even has a phone line; it just hasn't done well, for a myriad of reasons which can't all be blamed on Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
This will be my last post because at this point all you seem to care about is getting the last word in.

No company at the top is ethically clean, but Samsung stands out for its upper management corruption. The CEO has needed multiple pardons by the president of the ROK. Multiple prosecutors have been fired for pursuing corruption charges against Samsung. At least one legislator has been forced to resign for criticizing Samsung. I don't care about success, I just think it's important that people know. I certainly would have zero problem giving my money to Samsung for making a better product, I'm just saying that they got to the top for a reason.

I find it funny that you keep bringing this back to HTC when this is all about Samsung, but I guess it speaks volumes about the real competitor to the Galaxy line.

Good day now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Last post before the shift ends, eh? What does say it more that every time it's about the phone and Samsung's success, it comes down to pardons for the CEO for you? It must be nice living in a world where all the companies you hate only got to where they were because of corruption, and that corruption only employs pure evil and every product it ships is tainted and thus every consumer who uses said product is an enabler. For those of us who have to live in the real world where we use products from unethical companies all the time, it isn't so nice. I do envy your black and white perspective, it's pretty simple and easy to cling to.

At least with Samsung, one can say the incompetence is slightly more removed from the final product. Phones from 3 years ago still get support and aren't cut off just because it's inconvenient. Most of their product line has had unlocked bootloaders and has fought developers a bit less. Their flagship phones still support giving basic options and functions that most other companies have altogether killed off. If you consider that your company didn't even end up in the top 5 for products shipped this quarter, then I guess that's competition? I mean outside of some tech blog reviews in the States, no one really hates the phone.

*Shrug*.....I guess you count what you can get.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
The negativity in reviews about build quality vs htc one are total rubbish. I owned the htc and sent it back due to gaps and dead pixels. The build of this is tight. Every port and button is machined much more accurate than that of the one also no sharp edges of metal like the htc I had. Its lovely to hold guys and now its in a case :( oh well whatever material phone companies decide to use I always put a case on ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
AndroidPolice review:

It's progressive, not disruptive. But sometimes that's just how technology is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Thank you, I'm adding it to the opening post.

PocketNow got their hands on the Octa-core version so expect a variant comparison early next week.

[YOUTUBE]jHL37bW42pQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] Vertron:
It's 0.4 actually. Quite a big difference.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Blacks are defo better on s4 and I prefer screen overall. Tge screen is just amazing
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
I am more concerned with the low storage of less than 10gb. Not much space considering the size trend of games and some other data heavy apps and social or cloud app caching. Techradar also pointed this out.

If we correlate app size to storage size, the 16gb S4 is a present day G1 as far as storage. Relatively speaking, not too much of an exaggeration.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ap3604:
I know there is a root method available. I wonder if you uninstall all the bloatware how much space would then be available? :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Prozart:
I was thinking the same thing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Galactus:
Wouldn't surprise me if the memory has been partitioned meaning it wouldn't make a difference if the Rom was cut to 500 mb

Sent from the mind of Galactus
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
The one way rooting could help would be to purge some of the bloat. Even the that might yield 1gb more at best, but based on the huge image size of the stock rom, no official updates would be possible and functions disabled. Apps2sd and JB is like moisture and dynamite (not a good mix and very unstable).

The real answer for gamers and people that use other data hungry apps is a 32gb model. That or app juggling.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Galactus:
And unfortunately the 32 gb model is nowhere to be seen and will probably cost £650 :banghead:

Sent from the mind of Galactus
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Love Samsung but if you thought that the NYC radio city Hall launch was embarrassing, please watch this:

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-butchers-gangnam-style-indian-galaxy-s4-launch
[Galaxy S 4 General] Galactus:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
PocketNow Snapdragon vs. Exynos comparison

Full review to follow soon

[YOUTUBE]Wt5im3WAZYc[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] tuxonhtc:
Oh my god, this is GOLD. I spat my coffee all over my screen :laugh:

Thanks you Samsung.

Edit: Okay, might have wrongly credited Samsung for this:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...-s4-india-launch-weirdly-tries-gangnam-style/
[Galaxy S 4 General] ilabs:
Saying they made a disaster of the show and the song would be a huge understatement.. #facepalm#
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Ashwin's video review. For comments on it please visit his dedicated thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2261328

[youtube]YrLFyqb8qvk[/youtube]
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Release firmware battery test further improves Snapdragon 600 performance

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-i9505-galaxy-s4-battery-tests-update-battery-life-improved/

GSM Arena concluded yet another battery test, on release firmware, and it improved the device's talk time and video playback significantly, while web browsing suffered some decrease. Overall, with standby time staying impressive as ever, the Galaxy S4 endurace score improved from 63h to 69h, tying the Galaxy Note II.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nawafbinshams:
Interesting videos!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Napalm Candy:
Where can I find the that "magical" firmware for i9505? In the best of cases I only see 3,5h of screen on, in my Galaxy s4 i9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
I had to rub my eyes to make sure I was seeing that score correctly. O_O
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
S4 beats HTC One in low light? Am I reading this thread title correctly? or is it intentionally misleading?
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
Both devices need to be tested in a 4G LTE atmosphere.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jokesy:
You can read the comparison on Gsmarena yourself. They said the One is more reliable when shooting in low light, because you will have to take more than one shot on GS4 to achieve similar result but that the GS4 takes a better quality low light pic and video if you get it right.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Interesting, it's the first review I've seen that says S4 is better in low light. We'll see how things progress over the next month and a half, as well as user reviews.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GS4 shines in battery test! / Beats HTC One in low-light

You will have to take more then one photo if your hand shakes like crazy. The people who's hand doesn't shake will have no trouble getting a good image from the get go.
[Galaxy S 4 General] soraxd:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GS4 shines in battery test! / Beats HTC One in low-light

it only if were so simple, I'd like to see a steady hand get a good pic on a bumpy car rides, not to mention busses, trains, ferries, none of which your steady hands will help. the better question is; which is more likely to get improved with a fw update, S4's sw or htc's hw? id say that one goes to samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GS4 shines in battery test! / Beats HTC One in low-light

A bumpy car ride is going to affect a DSLR, and if you expect your device to take good pictures under those *extreme conditions* where even optical image stabilization won't help, you need to re think your expectations.
[Galaxy S 4 General] poweroutlet:
A dslr with a wide enough aperture lens can easily handle a bumpy car ride. Just open up the aperture enough to get a really fast shutter speed and then you won't get any blur OIS or not.

Btw I'm gonna buy the S4, but I really doubt it can beat the HTC One in low light. I might be convinced otherwise when I see a GS4 produce an image like this in low light: http://abcnews.go.com/images/Technology/ABC_News_Room_Low_Light_2.jpg

That's from a HTC one.

In general a lens with lower f stop will let more light in and when you have a sensor of similar size but with lower resolution, your signal to noise ratio is much better. Perhaps HTC's implementation isn't ideal but the laws of physics are on HTC's side as far as low light performance goes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
GSMA is not known to have bias, they don't even score the reviews but let the tests speak for themselves. Some will surely question the low-light results, but samples are there and in line what we know: the SIV does fairly well when lights are limited, details, white balance are good, it just takes several shots to get one right. The One also shakes, but due to the OIS is more consistent. The reason it doesn't demolish the SIV is beyond the hype having the same sensor that only captures a little more light. And since the SIV handles noise super well never ever ever ever produces color noise (that cripples the XPeria Z and sometimes even the One), despite smaller pixel size it doesn't often go wrong, hence the good results. The problems start with ISO400 and above which causes blur - in low-light it's doing fine, in NO-LIGHT it's hard to do usable results (without flash).

At the end of the day, the camera unit which we suspect is the Exmor RS with a better lens than what the waterproof Z features, is a great all-around performer, so is the entire S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Will have to see it to believe it.

I'm surprised S4 has mediocre call quality, would have expected samsung to address that issue. Interesting
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
There is one point GSMA didn't point out, which is a small issue with the HTC One's optical image stabilization. On slow movement there are small stutters as it tries to stabilize the picture not knowing it's intentional movement, and every time the phone stops moving, there's a small refocusing of the background. Since there's no movement in the tripod shot of the daytime sample of the GSMA video, I recommend watching the nighttime one with movement and the Mobile-Review sample, that is handheld, focus on a small sharp detail of the screen and you'll notice the issue.

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/htc-one.mp4

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/sgs4.mp4 <-- GSIV for reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDCH7qD4Uk8
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Thank you, I'll update the first post - done!

Google translate link: http://translate.google.com/transla...ellphones/2013-03-27-obzor-samsung-galaxy-s4/

The bottom line

Take stock of this review can be just one short sentence: Samsung Galaxy S4 - it's a great smartphone. It is equipped with a very decent screen, excellent camera, powerful filling, long battery life and a loud headphone output. What more could you want? Ah yes, the design ... However, it is a matter of taste. Personally, I just like SGS4 its neutrality, it does not distract the user from the most important - the content displayed on the screen.

Does the Galaxy S4 disadvantages, besides the appearance and body materials? There certainly are. Its screen is very lacking brightness, and control gestures and movements, which was obviously put a lot of effort and resources, it is not applicable in real life. Furthermore, it is unclear who prevented the FM-receiver. Can I put up with these limitations? In my view, it is possible, because the advantages outweigh them by far.

So eventually Galaxy S4 gets our highest editorial award - the "Editor's Choice".

6 reasons to buy a Samsung Galaxy S4:

record (at the time of writing) productivity;

AMOLED-display with a resolution FullHD produces smooth, contrast and saturation of the picture;

high-quality 13-megapixel camera with user friendly interface;

easy video player with support for all common containers and codecs "out of the box";

good endurance;

the presence of temperature sensors, humidity and atmospheric pressure.

2 reasons not to buy Samsung Galaxy S4:

low maximum brightness;

no FM-receiver.
[Galaxy S 4 General] berfles:
I'm confused, did the Snapdragon 600 also get 57FPS in Epic Citadel or is something incorrectly labeled in the other thread? How did they both get the same results when the GPU in the octocore is so much better?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
With people already complaining of the SD600 variant (despite superb performance and battery life), my guess is Samsung wants the least difference not to lose out customers calling one version worse to the other. So to achieve this the SD600 and the Adreno 320 are both clocked higher than rivals, and besides the Octa is clocked lower, I'd imagine the 544MP3 is also set to match the LTE version.

Whether this performance uniformity (roughly) is true it up to extensive H2H testing, but lower clocks with same performance will only result in better battery life and thermal management, while there's the potential to go 2GHz/533MHz with a custom ROM, and and have a monster house of Octa-core, something I wouldn't want anyway.

Right now many of us are so impressed how the SD600 version fares in performance/battery, we are less jealous of the Octa. The Note II is more likely to show it's true potential, until then Sammy should solve thermal, LTE and manufacturing issues. Either way, the S4 is a beast no matter what HW it packs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] poweroutlet:
Honestly lots of people are underestimating the SD600 SOC. The S4 Pro was already a great unit and the krait 300 cores in the SD600 have architectural improvements like a hardware prefetcher to transfer data between memory and CPU cache and also improved branch prediction and these improve IPC by about 15% according to anandtech, combine this with the very high clock speeds of the SD600 (especially in the GS4) and you are going to have a pretty beastly processor. It's not just some "overclocked cortex A9" as some are saying. No shame in getting the SD600 and in fact I would prefer it to the Exynos since it will have vastly better support too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Because 90% of reviewers have no idea what VSync is and how it makes benchmarks useless once they hit 60fps.

Until a proper review with GLBenchmark scores is out, verdict on the GPU speed is still open.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It's a matter of jumping to conclusions I think. By announcing the SD600 and SD800 at the same time, ppl. concluded that they are getting shafted with the worse version when it's a matter of scheduling: the 600 is Qualcomm's best in the 1st half, the 800 of the 2nd half, and the Octa currently (barely) ready for mass production is clearly in the 1st half performance ballpark. If and when a more advanced Octa, the SD800, the Tegra4 and the new Intel chips come out they will set a new benchmark, but ppl. are impatient and want the future to happen RIGHT NOW, and consider the the present as past it's time. Wow that was quite philosophical.
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
@BoneXDA

Check http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/27/samsung-galaxy-s4-user-interface-walkthrough/

Sammobile got hands on Octa with latest firmware.

AnTuTu 27400,

Quadrant 12762

Not sure is it 1.8 or 1.6
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
1.8GHz on the latest firmware? That's interesting...
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
yep 1.8 :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Re: [REVIEWS] - First Octa-core review is in / S4 shines in camera, battery tests

What about GLBenchmark :confused:(of octa)

All but glbenchmark scores have popped up:confused:

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head

---------- Post added at 11:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:26 PM ----------

GPU(3d) score is quite high there:rolleyes:

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Re: [REVIEWS] - First Octa-core review is in / S4 shines in camera, battery tests

4.2.2=1.8 GHZ ?

That sounds good

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
i think Sammobile have GS4 with Octa maybe we can ask them to do GLbenchmark :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Re: [REVIEWS] - First Octa-core review is in / S4 shines in camera, battery tests

There is a comment though by hot_spare asking for glbenchmark

;)

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Yep! Don't know why everybody is so interested in AnTuTu or Quadrant? Run some GPU benchmarks for a change!

Use their twitter account to ask for GLbenchmark results. Maybe they will do it if they get enough tweets.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Re: [REVIEWS] - First Octa-core review is in / S4 shines in camera, battery tests

Looks like they consider benchmarks like antutu and quadrant much better , due to the reason they are more popular.

GPU still remains a big mystery here, hopefully a glbenchmark will show up and yeah I will try some tweets too:D

By the way that 3D score is very good on Antutu , in the latest benchmarks;)

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
What's going on there with the 5 clocks and Android versions? 5.0? Huh? Confused.
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Re: [REVIEWS] - First Octa-core review is in / S4 shines in camera, battery tests

That score was without procesor in S4 ^^ :D:D:D:D:D

PS. From what Sammobile said expect full version review at end of April I assume they dont have S4 i their hands. Their source have s4 so thats why we cant get glbenchmark result asap. And you can see they hide kernel info...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Highly detailed Octa-core test by Mobile-Review

Mobile-review already did an extensive camera test you can find at the bottom, but the full review just got out, key points:

- screen is very good though not the brightest, H2H photo comparisons show excellent contrast and accurate colors

- Octa variant does 12,5hrs of continuous video playback, heavy daily usage is on par with the Note II (lasts until late night, SIII dies around 3-4PM)

- turning off gesture & face sensors dramatically increases battery life

- the A15 cores run @ 1.8GHz, A7 cores @ 1.2GHz, the PowerVR SGX 544MP3 @533MHz

- the Octa version delivers 10% better benchmark performance to the Snapdragon 600 variant

- great overall impressions, negative point is the lack of FM radio which is confirmed to be missing from the Octa version too

- further updates to come to the article in the upcoming weeks

http://translate.google.com/transla...ile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s4.shtml
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
Re: [REVIEWS] - Octa-core review confirms 1.8GHz A15 cores, 533MHz PVR GPU

Wow 12.5 hours of continuous video, that's 2 hours more then the s600 variant. My network supports LTE but I feel as if 3G is fast enough and if I could get the octa core variant for a decent price, I would much rather the octa core then the s600.
[Galaxy S 4 General] st3chn0:
well now people realise what difference it actually makes after a review, always were going opt for octa core...power when you need, efficiency when your running low.

if Samsung put enough development into having LTE on Octa for UK at launch, my pre-order would have already been in.

like my signature says I guess i'll just wait for future releases
[Galaxy S 4 General] slannmage:
Tbh 10 - 12.5 video hours.......... does anyone care? Like it'll be exactly that each time anyways. I mean the whole point of getting a GS4 is being able to just swap out the battery, so is battery life important? Especially when it's only that amount of time when doing one specific thing. I mean who knows how well the video performs either under the A7 chip? A very specific benchmark to base buying a phone on, that has been badly translated by Google...

I'm disappointed in the Exynos if that is the case, the only thing that shows any real advantage is the GPU and even then, in these Benchmarks at least, it's rather minimal,. which I don't get because on the iPhone and iPad they performance amazingly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Wait until we have some proper battery benchmarks. The 2.5 hour advantage over the S600 is no surprise (Also depends on the video from GSM arena vs this one, don't forget that). Samsung's MFC hardware decoder and housekeeping processing on the A7 cores during video is no quite the advantage.

We also still don't have proper GPU benchmarks, supposedly GLBenchmark is crashing on the device that's why reviewers can't post those numbers. At least that's what Gagadget said.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
others are fake ,probably a build.prop edit except for the top 2 i don't think anything else is real.