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[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
At least we have the Antutu numbers to go on, and the i9500 scores 9600 while the i9505 scores 6500 (looking at the GPU numbers). The i9500 is going to blow away the competition in GLBenchmark. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Mobile-review's test is the 2nd that says the Octa-core comes in 1.8GHz with screenshot evidence confirming it while Gagadget spec sheet says 1.6GHz, but they don't have actual shot of the CPU clock, and it performs like the other two. Now if Samsung already sent out the review units of both versions, there would be no point of tech sites getting an 1.8GHz version while the consumers the 1.6GHz.

Is it safe to say that the Exynos 5 Octa will be 1.8GHz out of the box after all?
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Re: [REVIEWS] - Octa-core review confirms 1.8GHz A15 cores, 533MHz PVR GPU

They have similar benchmark results so it has to be 1.8 then from pavel and eldar version.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
This Russian review also confirms the 1.8GHz Octa-core setting

http://habrahabr.ru/company/nomobile/blog/174559/
[Galaxy S 4 General] dafabsl:
AW: [REVIEWS] - Octa-core review confirms 1.8GHz A15 cores, 533MHz PVR GPU

Comparison to htc one and xperia z would be interessting

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[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
These GL benchmark results are really unimpressiv but still good. It scores as much (or a bit less) then the s600 version.

The one scores 34fps offscreen at the moment with 4.1.2. As we get the drivers (with the 4.2.2 update), we will probably see an increase to 40fps. So in case of gpu performance, the one would be as fast as the sgs4 s600 and the sgs4 "octa" (i hate to call it octa!).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
If the Octa's GLbenchmark Egypt HD is legit, it look OK, I believe that the reported 533 MHz GPU clock is either incorrect or is actually a Turbo figure, and the normal max clock is much lower around 400 MHz. When Intel launched Clovertrail + at CES, they talked of upto 533 MHz Turbo for the SGX 544 MP2 used in their SoC, either that or they are bottlenecks in the PowerVR uArch that limits performance scaling with MHz in a linear fashion on game style benchmarks, such as GLBenchmark. Likewise the 1.8 GHz figure is likely to be only achievable with a single-core active, and the GPU using little power.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Actually benchmarks drop on 4.2 for whatever reason as seen in comparison between the Optimus G and the same spec Nexus 4. The Nexus 10 seem to score lower than what real life performance feels like, so if anything, expect HTC One scores to fall back. In any case, 34fps is where the S4Pro and SD600 GPU scores max out, the Samsung version is higher likely because it's Adreno 320 is clocked higher, which I doubt the HTC will do, the specs are set.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
or its simply throttling they did run the entire GL benchmark tests

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there is another sharp device with android 4.2 scoring the same, as for clocks the maximum for Adreno 320 is 400mhz, 450mhz is for Adreno 330

most likely drivers

already confirmed by HTC dev anyway

https://twitter.com/htcdev/status/314815543754510336

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2257651/htc-one-will-get-opengl-es-30-support-video
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Will check that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
Nothing to do with Android 4.2, it's all about drivers and the software implementation of certain companies such as LG, which is crap. The Nexus 4 GLbenchmark results on their site, include heavily overclocked devices, the Optimus G is most like suffering from throttling due to LG conservative thermald.conf values or just rubbish optimisation, Qualcomm do not have a history of varying the GPU clock of their Adreno 320, both HTC One and GS4 Snapdragon are built on the same 28nm TSMC process, so even if the GS4's GPU is clocked higher, a simple OC will even things out. As soon the first GS4 Snapdragon ROMS are leaked we will know the truth, or at the latest when a XDA member roots their GS4 and runs Faux kernel app, which show the max GPU clock.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Why not keep the S4 vs Htc one in the proper thread?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2192227
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Looking forward to the deep look inside the GS4 variants. In any case, we can safely assume Samsung will further improve the already leading benchmark results with release or first update, that increased Note II performance on week one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
likewise ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
delete :o
[Galaxy S 4 General] tdnick:
Re: [REVIEWS] - Octa-core review confirms 1.8GHz A15 cores, 533MHz PVR GPU

I don't know if you know, but it's the Nexus 4 that is suffering, not the Optimus G. The G scores well over the 4 in benchmarks and was the fastest phone out until now

Sent from my AOSP'd Optimus G
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
its only the nexus because of aggressively throttling temps on the GPU, Nexus users told me it is to protect the glass back cover from cracking
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I did read that java kernel version affects all tests that are based on that, and Android 4.2 has a different kernel to the 4.1, hence some major differences. Not sure it's "java kernel" but the point is the tests run slightly different on 4.2, not sure if it makes sense, but I read something like that when looking up low Nexus 4 scores. Thermal throttling is also affecting them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
Quadrant, which is a rubbish cross-device benchmark anyway is heavily affected by Davlik JIT changes, so different Android version can make a difference, although from testing on my Nexus 7 from 4.1.2 to 4.2.2 there is very little difference. Antutu is affected by compiler optimsations, like Linaro, so results can vary from company to company.

Glbenchmark is one of the best and most agnostic benchmarks, otherwise the comparison between Apple and Android Glbenchmark scores would be pretty pointless. Running through the OpenGL api, it is not affected by different kernel / android versions per se, but massively depends on the silicon vendor's graphics drivers, like any GPU. The latest Qualcomm drivers require 4.2, so the Samsung currently has newer driver compared to any Snapdragon 600 device running 4.1. It is likely that Octa could have been clocked higher / or throttle less aggressively, at the cost of much lower battery life and thermal issues, once the A15 cores kicked in. We probably won't get a true representation of the what the Exynos 5410 can achieve until we see it in a tablet device, with much bigger battery / less thermally restricted case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Man ur here all the time and fast :P

So why o why Smsung couldnt produce more Octa procesors ;((( For my country they confimred snap600 today ...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Updated the title. How reliable is the source?
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Well Samsung Exynos Twitter confirmed so it has to be real :)

Sammobile, Sammyhub asked few days ago...
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
The chip is running at 1600MHz, not 1800. You could fix the title.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
they are 100% official source :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Andrei are you 100% sure?

And AnTuTu benchmark results of 27400 are from 1.6 or 1.8Ghz?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Might be Antutu that is reporting them wrong.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
what about this ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Sammobile, Mobile-review and Gagadget all report 1.8GHz in fresh tests.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Yes.

All the results are from 1.6GHz, Antutu reads out the frequencies from the frequency table which goes up to 1800MHz, but the actual max policy is set at 1600MHz. Quadrant correctly reports the max policy, you can see it at 2:13 here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] uvaman:
Great AndreiLux :)

Do you have some website maybe? Would like to follow your articles.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
wow thats surprise :D

Exynos ♥♥♥
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Re: [REVIEWS] - Exynos 5 Octa to come at 1.8GHz, LTE supported

Oh Andrei, nice find. Can't wait to flash perseus and put the beast at 1.8+ GHz clock. Do you think thermal throttle will kick in sooner than before with this chip on overclocking?

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It says 1600MHz currently but 1800MHz max.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
And your point? Please check it on your own phone if you don't believe me. Not my issue if app developers are incapable of correctly labelling the values they read out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
But what proves it never goes beyond 1600MHz despite system info, the info you linked and AnTuTu info all say 1800MHz max? I'm ready to take your word on it but I need to understand first before changing the title. Is the "current" value the absolute maximum possible in any scenario no matter what?
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Wow, now im sure that i will not buy the fuc*** 700€ S600 version.

Waiting Exynos EU version.

Someone was trying fool me.

Eat that SaM. :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
The 1800 comes from the the maximum value in the frequency table, but the frequency table is meaningless if the policy range is different. I don't know of no application who actually correctly reads out the policy. My phone also shows 1800 max even though the policy is set at only 1400, and all apps report it as 1800, because they're programmed by monkeys.

They probably had originally 1800 as their max policy but lowered it either due to heat reasons or to simply match the performance of the S600 by lowering it, but the entries were left in the kernel.

The "current" value is the actual current frequency but it's always the maximum in this use case when opening up the info page on Quadrant. I have no absolute guarantee on that but I'm ready to put my words where my mouth is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Fair enough, I'm changing it. Strange that the very system info is wrong. Also strange that there were 1600MHz AnTuTu scores posted, how come the app got it right that time? Sammy is lazy?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
GSM Arena in-depth review is in

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
"Exynos 5 Octa to support LTE" is misleading. It doesn't matter if the Exynos support it or not (of course it does), the phone still won't have it in that variant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Why confuse us common folk with the announcement then? More confusion from Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Seanambers:
I've said it before but ill say it again. My guess is that Exynos production is low, so Samsung decided to use Snapdragons as a stopgap solution.

S4 Exynos most probably has LTE enabled, but we will have to wait and see. And if it does it won't be enough to go around hence the Snapdragon variant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Can u take me a doubt.

For those who purchase today Exynos version without LTE enabled, is something definite (hardware dependent)? or LTE can be enabled later by firmware update when Samsung decides to make available LTE on Exynos.

thx
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
LTE has absolutely nothing to do with the Exynos chip. It's separate hardware and it won't appear by magic with a firmware update.

The 9500 has no LTE, period.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Is this confirmed? There are several markets that have LTE and get the Exynos 5 version, such as China, Russia...
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
so maybe there is i9505 with Octa ? LOL what if the I9500 support 4G :p

IDK why all android device makers ****ing around the 4G :silly:

iCrap 5 support 4G globally -_-
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jubei1:
iPhone 5 supports LTE only on certain frequencies. Lots of countries with LTE still get 3G version because iPhone 5 doesnt support their LTE frequency

.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
Thx. I thought hardware could be there but disable.

So this will be a big mess in consumers minds and mine:

- Buy S600 with LTE

- Buy current Exynos without LTE

- Wait for Exynos with LTE

I think is a bad move from SAM --- Fragmentation ----- I thought Sam had already learned the lesson from Apple with Galax generation, apparently not.:(
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
Galaxy Note 3, will probably solely use Exynos Octa, unless they really struggle to produce the chip in sufficient numbers, or Snapdragon 800 is far superior. Hence the reminder that Exynos Octa can be equipped with a LTE modem, to counter a lot of misinformation that Octa isn't compatible with LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
FYI

:cool:

http://translate.google.com/transla...ile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s4.shtml
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review is in / Russian Octa-core tests too

You lost me when you said iphone and ipad while complaining about exynos processor. You obviously have no clue how to compare. Pff...have fun with a6.

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Not true. Exynos has lte.

http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5-octa-is-lte-supported-180594/
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I think there is a big confusion over LTE compatibility with Octa. Simply put, Exynos Octa will be compatible with various LTE bands.

What it doesn't mean is that Exynos will have integrated LTE. Samsung will

never

have integrated LTE because that's their basic philosophy.

To understand their logic, read this: AP, Modem Single-Chip vs. Dual-Chip Solutions

Obviously, they will have LTE working with a separate modem, which was same method they used with Exynos 4 SoC.

In reality, the comment by their Twitter account says nothing new. Exynos Octa supports and is compatible with LTE. But it will not have an integrated LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
That article is written by some incompetent fool who knows absolutely nothing, just because it's published on a website doesn't make it true.

Learn to differentiate real news and facts from diarrhoea regurgitated by clueless arm-chair "journalists".
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Everybody's confused, Andrei, no need for name calling just because you know better. There are several confusing and contradicting infos out, such was the 60FPS recording which was proven wrong. You can't blame us for not knowing which input to believe.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
the 60 FPS is real and here the specification paper from the unpacking

maybe its not enabled yet :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
See Andrei? Plenty of company originated confusion.

yahyoh: Qualcomm confirmed that the S4 will NOT have 60FPS recording. Based on the Russian tests the Exynos version doesn't have it either.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Last line: *Specifications are subject to change without notice and obligation :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
IDK lets wait for final version :eek:

cuz the sensor support 60FPS :p

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LOL :silly:

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:(

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/29/samsung-exynos-octa-now-rocking-lte-destined-to-korean-market/

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
We have every right to be angry, when a site / "journalist" (mucho sarcasm) just mindlessly regurgitates disinformation, and doesn't even do basic fact checking. These people who prance around like knowledgeable industry experts, are in effective trolling us for ad dollars, with their lack of knowledge and inability to do basic research. This confuses consumers and just makes it far more difficult to sort the fud from the facts.

Alarm bells should have rung when Samsung PR tweet stated that the Exynos 5 Octa supports LTE and all 20 bands., there are far more than 20 LTE bands.

Exynos Octa, just like Exynos 4 before it, can connect to a physical LTE chip via its High-Speed Inter-Chip (HSIC), there is no technical reason Samsung couldn't have equipped the Octa with a Qualcomm MSM9215 LTE enabled modem, which is the same as used on the Snapdragon 600 equipped GS4, that's right there is no integrated modem in the SoC of the Snap 600, it requires a separate chip.

The main reason the majority of GS4 will have a Qualcomm SoC, not Octa is cost / profit and production volume, not LTE. iSuppli have stated that Octa costs $10 more than Snapdragon 600, factor in that Qualcomm's LTE modem solution is $9 more expensive than the non-LTE Intel part found on the Octa. Therefore a LTE equipped Octa would have been around $10 more expensive than a Snapdragon 600 + LTE solution, at the volumes Samsung expects to sell its flagship, we are talking about over a billion dollars in extra profit, = happy shareholders + bonuses. Samsung also started volume production of the Exynos 5410 quite late, so it is doubtful they could shipped enough SoCs, relying solely on their Exynos Octa.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
Actually with S600 model Samsung has to use a seperated LTE chip also (as well as Wifi chip), the same as HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Turbotab:
I know, that is what I wrote?

"there is no technical reason Samsung couldn't have equipped the Octa with a Qualcomm MSM9215 LTE enabled modem, which is the same as used on the Snapdragon 600 equipped GS4, that's right there is no integrated modem in the SoC of the Snap 600, it requires a separate chip."
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review is in / Russian Octa-core tests too

If you read the article you would know the source is from samsung itself. Learn to read and respond.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Dude just one of the many separate branches of Samsung, in this case their chip branch speaking up to make sure no one is gonna blame them for the FUBAR.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jubei1:
Had you read the original source (Samsung LSI twitter) you would know that nowhere did they ever confirm that Exynos Octa will have LTE, supporting it and having it are two different things

They specifically stated that altough Exynos Octa supports LTE, it has nothing to do with them if it actually comes with LTE, that is up to the discretion of the device manufacturer, not the chip supplier
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review is in / Russian Octa-core tests too

Please for God's sake you need to learn to read, because you're no better than these baboon journalists. They tweet that the Octa supports LTE and the whole web interprets it as official word that the S4 variant will have LTE.

Sorry but that's a case absolute reading comprehension failure due to lack of even minimum knowledge how things work. The above posts about HSIC explain reality.

@BoneXDA, I'm not criticising you, I'm throwing eggs at all these incompetent websites.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
But is shows how unclear information is around Samsung, video frames, final clock, LTE etc..

If Samsung announces that the Exynos 5 Octa absolutely supports LTE networks, and at the same time they announce an Exynos 5 Octa phone, why would the average bloke assume that the phone announced lacks the very feature Samsung just announced? It's like "we support cancer research" okay, how much have you donated this year? "oh this year, nothing. We support future cancer research" um what?
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
Actually there is a source say tha Octa with LTE will be available in Korea. It's easily expected which is similar to S3 LTE Korea version.

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Sr that I didn't read properly. But the thing I meant is that Samsung has to pay for the seperated LTE chips with S600 variants as well, so I still don't understand about $19. If you say so, the non-LTE version also should be S600 for higher profit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sohebq:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review is in / Russian Octa-core tests too

Did you guys check the panaroma shot of gs4 on gsm arena review. Man the quality is just mindblowing, juwt zoom in and you will see awesome level of detail

sent from: The New S-Pen :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] vvaklnprm:
looks great!

can't wait for the launch in india!:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Here it is. Strangely enough they say "the stitching isn't perfect" yet their sample looks perfectly fine.

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-i9505-galaxy-s4/panorama/gsmarena_117.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Look at chimneys at the brown roof ... or yellow car in middle foreground.

So stitching isn't perfect and it dosn't matter at all ... picture is really good :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] tokyohot777:
great question
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
its about 33MP image :cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 General] SilentEYE:
One unclear thing to the gsmarena screen test.

On the comparison with the One they say

Ok, they say that S3>=S4>ONE under sunlight.

Did someone ever compared an S3 ( 300 candela) with another LCD Smartphone (>500 candela) under sunlight?

In my opinion the S3 is totally unsatisfying under sunlight and has no chance against a HTC ONE X or an Iphone for example.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jack Underwood:
I looked at it, it was crazy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review is in / Russian Octa-core tests too

He didnt say s3 is necessarily better than s4 in sunlight legibility, just said no better than s3 meaning they are on par but both are better than htc one. I never owned lcd so cant speak for it but amoled is generally okay under sun, never had trouble. I usually set it automatic and when i go under sun it raises brightness level and i have no problem.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
GSM Arena also compared the S4 to the Xperia Z, here are the results per category:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915.php

Hardware (looks, build): Xperia Z

Screen: Galaxy S4

Battery: Galaxy S4

User interface: Galaxy S4

Benchmarks: Galaxy S4

Loudspeaker: Galaxy S4

Audio quality: Galaxy S4

Camera features: tie

Photo quality: Galaxy S4

Video quality: Galaxy S4

Multimedia (gallery, video & audio player): Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
gsmarena is in love with amoleds... the amoled gets destroyed in sunlight comparission with lcds... just hold a one/one x next to the s3 in direct sunlight (both at maxmimum brightness): You will see everything on the lcds but u will struggle to see anything on the s3.

And as we know, the amoleds wont get better on time. The lcds will stay as bright as they were on the start.

The one x lost vs the s3 in their sunlight comparission. What a joke.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Full brightness is one thing, reflectivity and contrast ratio is another. GSM Arena are quite accurate with their screen measurements so I have no reason to doubt them. Maybe your experience is coming from an S3 covered by a reflective screen protector? Or a darker matte one, these things can mess up the experience. Let Gorilla Glass do it's job and keep keys away and/or the phone in a cover if you can't protect it from sharper objects.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jkforce:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review and comparison / Russian Octa-core tests

Not true. At full brightness, my sg3 is as clear as sky. You sir have no idea what you are talking about.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
S4 vs Optimus G Pro, which one is in general a better phone?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Two more Chinese Octa-core reviews via Google Translate. Camera samples are stunning except for nighttime of course.

http://translate.google.com/transla...&u=http://mobile.yesky.com/374/34541374.shtml

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/894/894568.shtml

The black version is a looker IMO. I like the texture.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JasonJoel:
Re: [REVIEWS] - GSM Arena in-depth review and comparison / Russian Octa-core tests

I would GUESS S4. I say guess, as the S4 isn't released yet and I have never used it.

I do have an Optimus G, though. While a pretty good phone, it has a slower cpu, lower resolution screen, and no removable battery.