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[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] griffog:
Apologies for the plug here guys but if you'r after a good place to discuss GPS visit us. I run an XDAII and have had no issues bonding and accessing TomTom and other BT GPS units since I updated to the latest ROM.

And the XDAII is perfect for accessing TomTom's Subscription GPRS Traffic Services as well :)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] kim71:
XDA II and Tomtom Bluetooth

Ref earlier comment about Tomtom bluetooth. I have an XDA II with Tomtom 3 and their own bluetooth GPS. My setup also locks up if you run the Tomtom Navigator without either of i) starting bluetooth or ii) starting the GPS. I have tried reporting it to Tomtom support but they are pretty slow.

Given the similar problem with another brand of BT GPS it would appear to be a Tomtom problem.

The Tomtom Bluetooth GPS instructions supplied are a joke. I complained to Tomtom who emailed me a fairly decent manual. Don't know why they can't include this with the product or make it available on their web site for download.

Tomtom do some pretty stupid things. At present you can't even buy afrom them an in-car power lead for the GPS. Fortunately the £20 car lead for an XDA II from the O2 shop is just right when you unplug the XDA connector.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] The Otter's Pocket:
Hi all

I am new to this forum but I could really do with your wisdom.

I have an XDA 2 that I use for business use.

However I need a system for GPS and a hands free driving kit. I suspect that a bluetooth system is the way forward.

However reading these pages I believe that there have been several issues that have caused a great deal of consternation with the TomTom system.

O2 have really messed me around over the last year with their hands free kit. They have been unable to supply anything and with the new vehicle legislation they have been totally unprepared.

The system that I thought about using would be...

XDA2

Tomtom 3

Parrot CK3000

Has anybody tried it and if so is there anything else that I would need, ie cables, brackets, chargers etc.

Regards

TOP
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
I would certainly recommend TomTom3.

For the carkit I chose the XDA2 carkit like the one thats sold by Expansys (on www.telido.de where the price was eur 137)

Benefit is that you get a charger, and on-dash cradle with it (apart form the other carkit functionality the parrot also offers)

For the GPS I chose a bluetooth one from dconnect (on ebay they usually go for around 80 dollars): it should bepossible to fit that one on the space on my windshield that is not covered with the metal-like heat-resistant layer.

There is also quite some fuzz on diffferences between the T-Mobile MDAII carkit and the XDA2 carkit. Conclusion so far is that the functionality is limited in the ROM of you XDA2/MDA2 . . .(and that the XDA2 kit is 60 euro cheaper)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] WeatherB:
Anyone else notice that installing Pocket Bluetooth Tools removed the SSA service?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
Whats the ssa service?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] WeatherB:
SSA = Dial-up Networking
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
mmm, i installed & de-installed Pocket Bluetools.

I can use dial-up connection to the Internet using a cellular line (ie NO GPRS). . . .
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] WeatherB:
Turns out that Pocket Bluetooth tools has problems with Rom 1.72
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
And why bother: wasnt the BT Stack improvement not a big reason for upgrading to 1.72 so Bluetools can be discarded?

For me it was.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] WeatherB:
I like Bluetooth Tools because it turns on the Bluetooth when you receive a call and then turns it off afterwards...

Awesome feature!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] cruisin-thru:
Unless you wish to use the gps anywhere else besides the car I would suggest a wired gps, they are usually half the cost of bluetooth, come with a dual charging/data cable and are far more reliable. I have bluetooth gps in my car, however the wireless idea is lost on me, I have to have power to the xda2 so it doesnt go flat so it seems a bit pointless to have a wireless gps when a wired one will only occupy the same lighter socket for both devices. You also need to remember to charge the bluetooth gps which means either taking it indoors and using a mains charger or charging it on the move which when coupled with the xda2 will need a dual socket.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
Cruisin-thru: Your ideas were mine at first, until I got my new car with heat-resistant windshield. This metal layer on the windshield makes reception of radio-signals almost impossible.

So I had a choice: a very long wire to one of the back-windows or a BT GPS.

When I found this DCONNEX DC-230 on ebay for around 80 dollars (incl mains and car charger!), i bought one (for 74 dollar excl 28 dollar p&p).

And now I have the advantage

- to be able to take the GPS with me when we go somewhere to walk into the unknown

- to have an immediate fix when I enter the car (the BT GPS is always on (powered on 12V)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] okahn:
edsub

how on earth did you manage to get the DC-230 to work with the XDA II, i have bought one from ebay as well, £54 +20 P&P, the xda recognise it but neither tomtom2 nor the GPS Viewer utility which came with it recognise its existanse, tried to scan and force all COM ports with no success, I disabled the beam, installed Bluetooth tools and bluetooth manager (which muted the phone so i had to hard reset)

Help please
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
I am using the 1.72 ROM

That one has improved Bluetooth support

As the DCOnnex is not different form other BT GPS-es (in fact is IS a Holux GR-230 INSIDE) with earlier ROMs Pocketbluetools would work as well.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] :
Re: Posted...

dear friend the link doesnt work ? incorrect password ??
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] hambam:
Still problems with the qtek2020 and navigon4

Hi,

took me a lot of time to read through the whole thread here ;)

I own a qzek2020 and the new navigon4 (version 4.01).

The bluetooth gps reciever is called navigon modular including tmc.

Certainly I installed navigon, connected to the bluetooth device and tried to get a working communication between gps reciever and navigon4. Of course, without success.

Funny, the hotline itself told me about the pocket bluetooth tool to solve the problem.

So I installed the latest version, deleted the existing bluetooth entry and created a new one by choosing serial and COM7. I didn't had another choice, only COM7.

In Navigon, in the settings, I choosed the navigon modular, but I can't select COM7, all COM-Ports are listed but not COM7.

I tried several settings with 'try and error' but without success.

Do I something wrong? Where's my mistake? Or are their still problems with bluetooth and navigon4?

I hope my 'detailed' description helps solving the problem.

Thanks in advance.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] hambam:
problem with bluetooth gps and navigon4

little addition:

I found some ini files in the navigon installation dir:

- prefs.ini

- spgps.ini

I edited both and manually set the comport to 7.

After starting navigon again, the settings tell me com7 which looks fine, but nevertheless it doesn't work :(
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] hambam:
problem with bluetooth gps and navigon4

One step deeper in this adventure...

I uninstalled the bluetooth tool, removed the recognized bluetooth device and reinstalled the tool.

After the new recognition of the bt gps mouse, serial at com7, I performed a softreset (this seems to be the solution of my first problem)

Then, after the start of navigon4 I was able to find my Navigon Modular mouse at com7 and saved my configuration.

But here's the next problem:

Before I start navigon, the bluetooth led is blinking, so far so good.

Now I start navigon and during the start procedure, the blue led stops blinking and goes off. No light no blinking.

The gps isn't working and I have to swith off and on to get the gps mouse blinking again.

Any ideas?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] fudgebottom:
I have just installed a Leadtek 9537 GPS with Destinator 3 with no problems at all.. INstalled first time NO FUSS what so ever... OS picked up the GPS with ease and the same goes for Destinator 3....

All working 100% I'm a very happy man!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Jazzedout:
I am trying to use a Falvom Navi 1 BT GPS with my XDA2 (O2 ROM 1.72.187) with the Destinator 3.0.75 software. When using the default BT tool in the new ROM, destinator could not find the GPS although properly bonded and com5 was assigned. I installed a patch from Dell and assigned com0 to the BT GPS and now sometimes it works with destinator and sometimes it doesn't.

Anyone has any more ideas on how to make this work?

Thanx!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] :
I haven't read the whole thread, and I own an XDA2 with tomtom3 bluetooth but here is my 2 pence.

If you launch GPS TOMTOM by itself, goto the GPS tab

Make sure that TomTom Wireless GPS is in the top selection box

Change serial cable on COM1 to Bluetooth GPS

Then tick the square box on the left.

Make sure your receiver is bonded and bluetooth mode is switched to on and all should work fine.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] :
BT tomtom

I bougth tomtom3 BT version. It works without any problems on my MDA II
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] :
It is exactly what I did on my MDA II, it works.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Nickpes1805:
Hi

I have a BTGPS receiver.From the moment my position is fixed,until I do a soft reset I cannot receive or make calls. It's like my phone stucks.

Please advice

Nikos
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] nunjimmimya:
me also had the same error..can't make any call or sms until do a soft reboot..

but still can use the phone function while the gps being bonded

is it gps software error or the bluetooth error...??

p/s : just bought BT GPS but it make me feel sucks with this problem
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] cowboy:
TomTom2 BT77 and XDA2

Hi

I've got an XDA2 and a BT77 Gps with tomtom2 loaded.

The XDA2 detects the BT77 and it is available as a bluetooth device.

But GPS status does not show any activity i.e. signal from satellites.

I have loaded GPS 2.09 and that now gives the com port that the BT77 seems to want - Com Port 7.

I have disabled incoming beams on IR.

I have Tom Tom 2 loaded and have tried Tom Tom 3 but have no maps for Tom Tom 3 but the GPS status still seems the same.

I have tried the other com port settings e.g Bluetooth GPS etc but none of them seem to work.

Can Tom tom 2 work with BT77 - can an XDA2 work with BT77?

My XDA2 is ROM version 1.72.00WWE

I've also got the fix from Bluetooth Tools version 1.1 Unbelievably I've still got problems.

I am on the verge of packing it all in and getting another GPS unit if nobody on this site can help me!!!

Has anybody on this site got these items to work correctly?

Or would you recommend a different GPS unit?

Thanks in advance for any help.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
What should work:

Delet any BT bonds you have created for your GPS and soft-reset.

Bond the GPS. If that goes ok, the pda should ask something like to create a serial port for the bluetooth connection. Asnwer yes to that.

After that you can use your GPS via all applications via COM5:

This was one of the main improvements of rom 1.72.

Do NOT use the Bt Tools with ROM 1.72

unless

you want to use their 'special' features like enabling BT only when a call comes in (it should make your battery last longer), these tools made me go crazy
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Puff The Magic Wagon!:
Alternatively, anyone got an iPaq/Loox & a BT GPS device?

Can you get THIS piece of software working on it?

In theory it *should* work but once again Com6 is not available to the software with BT on when you try and connect.

So why is Com6 not available?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] domloff:
I've got an IPAQ and the Emtac BT GPS. This is what I have used for the last year (well nearly a year).

I've had no problems using it with CoPilot, TomTom and all sorts of different GPS programs.

The XDA II just does not support the proper serial profile for all these programs.

I find it very hard to believe that TomTom are working on a fix to their software as its a much more fundamental issue.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] RedBull:
I've tried it with pocket gps, pocket navigator and tomtom navigator 2. Although they work with a cable gps, NONE of them work with a bluetooth gps on the xda2.

Looks like the problem is with the XDA

:(
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] mother:
dissapointingly and worryingly for those who have brought an XDA2 and are hoping to use it with their bluetooth GPS the section on the XDA site that says:

...has been erased! Lets hope this has just been removed temporarily whilst they get the thing working and is not a perminant change! :(
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] RedBull:
I hope they fix it or some produces a fix as this is the main reason I brought the XDA2 !

:evil: :( :evil: :( :evil: :( :evil: :( :evil:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] mother:
recieved this from O2 today...

Now... is this a problem with Bluetooth or TomTom? o2 say TomTom but others say bluetooth and i did read somewhere that somebody couldn't get their Emtac working with destinator either?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] mrg2003:
Will TOMTOM 2 bluetooth GPS work with XDA2 from O2

Thank you for contacting TomTom E-Support and Services.

We apologies for the delay and thank you for your patience,

We are still in the testing stage with the XDA 2 and will announce it on website when the device tested .
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] sdjones:
My friend and I have just got our XDA II's and are very impressed. They are probably the best devices in the market at the moment...

My friend just purchased the BT version of the GPS TomTom, needless to say I just purchased the cable connection...Anyone wanna guess which one works :-)

Hope TomTom or O2 sort out the problem soon with the BT...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] cruisin-thru:
I just bought a gizmo that converts gps signal to irda, just align the ir ports, set tomtom or whatever to use irda and thats it, its a brilliant device for people without serial port etc. I believe I am the first in the country to get this device and pleased to say it is very good running on ipaq 1910 "they all said gps couldnt be added to it", plus other ipaqs.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] towa:
Finally my BlueTooth GPS works with my XDA II !!!!!!!!!!!

As you already might know, there is nearly no way to get it to work with the Microsoft BlueTooth stack. Nevertheless my GPS works perfectly with the IPAQ of my colleage, which is using the Widcomm stack. Finally I decided to take the files from his PDA and to adapt the registry and 10 hours later I got it to work. Unfortunately there seems no way to buy this software so the only way is to extract from another PDA. If anyone is interessted I can post some more details :D
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] ppcitaly:
Yes! Sure!

We are really interested in your method!

Please tell us.

My Thanks
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] domloff:
From all of us who have an 'old' 3970 which worked perfectly with BTGPS, and now have a XDA II we look forward to seeing how you did it! :D

Dom
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Helio:
:D Please let us know what you did. :wink:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] orinoco:
What software are you referring to?

Hello:

I am very interested to know how you got this to work. Are you talking about the Widcomm BT software, cuase I have it and can email it or post it.

Fernando
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Helio:
Please post it

Helio
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] RedBull:
I can host it on my web server if you email it to me, Les.field @ Virgin.net
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] orinoco:
Posted...

Go to:

ftp://www.shawus.com

Username is hydrosphere, password is 12345

Goto the Widcomm subdirectory and download the zip file.

Let me know if/how it works.

Fernando
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] sweeney:
Absolutely we want to know what you did. The XDAII is near perfect except for the bluetooth stack, which appears to have been a friday afternoon job (after a liquid lunch).

Using a bluetooth equiped desktop PC and service discovery shows what an incomplete job they did of it. The XDA reports a single mysterious service called SSA, compared to an iPaq which admits to 5 services which are all obviously named and fundemental in nature (serial and network access for example).

Steve
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] RedBull:
Hi Fernando,

It tries to install as a desktop or laptop then it wants data1.cab and quits.

What next.....
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] sweeney:
I've uploaded a newer and complete bluetooth driver for CE (to the above FTP server), but it won't install without finding an adaptor on the target machine.

Steve
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] cowboy:
Update to above.

I now have TomTom 3 with maps. A friend has given me his due to him upgrading to Tom Tom 5.

I have done as you suggested but the only com port it asks for is com7.

Still it will not see a signal on GPS.

What else can I do???

Thanks in advance
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] edsub:
How did you pair/bond the gps??
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] pdanatic:
Hei guys, Im using a Qtek 2020 with TT5 and a BT GPS, there is a small prog. called BTtools that creates a virtual com port , i found it on qtek´s portugese site.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] orinoco:
Thanks Steve

I tried it, and as you indicate, it will not install on the XDAII. It does not seem to recognize that the XDAII has a BT radio. So, are we stuck with a crappy BT stack?

Fernando
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Helio:
Hi I´m trying copy some files from the ipaq to the xda II as "towa" did yesterday. I will let you know if it works.

I hope TOWA let us know ´what he did.

:?

Helio
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] towa:
Well, I did the following:

- I took al the files from an update I found the IPaqs

(Take the .cab and open it with a double click. Extract all files and rename them to their real name. The .000 file contains the real name of all the others.)

- Then I recognized that BTREZ.DLL was missing. That's the one with all the resource like dialogs, menus a.s.o. I got a copy from the IPaq of a friend

- I extracted the Registry Part HKLM\Software\Widcomm from an IPaq and changed the following keys:

Widcomm\BTCOnfig\General\TransportLibrary to "BtCeBCSPTrans.dll because our BT Device in the XDA uses BCSP protocoll

Widcomm\BTConfig\SerialTransport\Port to 6 (This is the serial port of our BT device)

Widcomm\BtConfig\Applications\0001\ComPortNumber to 7 (This is the virtual com port which will use the TomTomGPS later on)

Then there some more keys in HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn which must be set. I will post them later on when I'm at home

Finally you have to know that the BTCETray always restores the TransPortLibrary to "BTCESerialTrans" and I just patched it to BTCEBSCPTrans.dll using a Hex Editor.

That's all, basically.

Finally I created the source code for the BTREZ.DLL to translate everything to german. (The BTREZ.DLL I got was in spanish. I speak spanish but I prefer german :D ) It's nearly complete
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] towa:
http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/HandheldiPAQ/us/download/19650.html

:wink:

And I forgot something important: Some registry entries must be removed to deactivate the Microsft BT Stack. Otherwise COM6 is obviously in use.

Remove all values in HKLM\Microsoft\Bluetooth\HCI and remove the complete key HKLM\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Transports\BuiltIn\3
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] orinoco:
Can you post a step-by-step to do this?

Hi Towa:

I tried your procedure above and have some questions:

a) When I downloaded the ipaq update from the HP web site you provided, I did not see any .cab files to open with a double click. Are you talking about the data1 and data2 files that appear when you extract the files?

b) I did not see any .000 files either. I think I am misunderstanding something here.

c) Do you have the BTREZ.DLL file you can share with us? I can give you an ftp site to post (see above).

d) Same for Registry Part HKLM\Software\Widcomm; do you have this to post?

e) Can you post these instructions when you complete the process?

Many thanks in advance.

Fernando
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Helio:
Hi,

Will the bluetooth headset profile work after this?

:? Just wonder

Helio
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Helio:
Hi Fernando,

I just upload the file.

Let us know how it´s going.

Helio :wink:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] Roadster:
I don't know if this will help but I have a BT gps smart made by fortuna and use it with a hp 2210 which is ppc2003 and ms stack and this works ok with navigator 2. I also have XDA and have just ordered the XDA 2 hoping to then not need the 2210 and sell it but from your experiences this is not looking good at the mo. :cry:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] tadzio:
That sounds good :-) It would be nice if you could do us a favor: make the Extended_ROM visible on your device (set HKLM\System\StorageManager\Profiles\TRUEFFS_DOC\MountFlags to 0 in the registry) and check if there's anything Bluetooth-related in there. Also, it may be helpful to see the registry entries of your device under HKLM\Microsoft\Bluetooth.

What Bluetooth services does your PC list for your iPAQ when they are connected?

Thanks in advance!

Daniel
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] JoseF:
@Daniel

Hi , I have one ipaq 5550 let me know whitch information you need

And how I can get it.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] domloff:
I could be wrong but as far as I know the XDA II is the first implementation of the MS BT stack. All IPAQs (inc. 2210) use WIDCOMM as the BT stack.

MS have never really grasped the ideal of compatability if you look at the 'BT' keyboard and mouse you'll see what I mean! :cry:

Getting the WIDCOMM stack up and running on the XDA II is a very good thing and very important to all of us that have a BTGPS and a XDA II.

Looking forward to seeing everybodies efforts in getting this to work. I'll be have a play at getting it working myself! :lol:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Accessories] tadzio:
Very good. It seems the HP2210 doesn't use the MS stack (as Roadster wrote), so I'm back to trying to get the Widcomm stack to work. Still trying to collect the necessary information though. It seems most of what is needed is described in this thread, except for the precise registry changes.

@JoseF:

It would be very helpful if you could post the registry entries of your iPAQ 5550 for the following branches:

- HKLM\Software\Widcomm

- HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn

To get these, you need a registry editor that runs on you iPAQ. There are many of them. One that is used quite often is the one contained in Resco Explorer 2003, see http://www.resco-net.com/explorer.asp. You can download a free 14 day trial version from their site.

HKLM stands for "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE". Just go to the branches mentioned above, and export them to a file. ActiveSync these files to the PC, and paste their content into a message on this board. :-)

Many thanks in advance!

Oh, and if you happen to have a German iPAQ, I wouldn't mind a German BTREZ.DLL... :-) should be in the Windows directory (I guess). Again, just use ActiveSync to copy it to your PC. Then you can either upload them (under a different name) to the FTP site mentioned above, or email them to me (tadzio@tadzio.com), and I'll upload it.

Cheers

Daniel