yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] sandeeppandey:
Awesome Rom..... perfect balance of performance and battery life....

BTW when is the update coming... eagerly waiting for it.....
[LG Optimus 4X HD] 4400alle:
Great ROM! find it floating on better than cm10.1 for the 4X!

But I have problems with Maps is taking up most battery, more than 25%. and display only 2%? I never use Maps and other apps that I use more are not listed in the battery list.

Is it just me who has this problem?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] philip.morris:
Either greenify maps or just uninstall them. Extra tip, for better battery life turn off location.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
When?

Got advise to remove my post as it is against rules to ask for ETA timelines. So removing my post as advised.

Sorry Siauaka ...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] penguin449:
WiFi wont connect? Continues to be stuck and Obtaining IP address, wiped caches, ive rebooted, i fixed permissions? is it kernel problem?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] MidnightDevil:
I had that issue once... I tried solving it flashing another kernel but nothing.. after a clean install it worked :\ no idea what caused it. I flashed iodak and werewolf's kernel during that time.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] philip.morris:
I've had the same problem. It occured to me after restoring wifi networks via titanium. I must have solved it by deleting wpa_supplicant.conf but I am not sure since it's been a long time.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] saurav112214:
Please give us a new version. We are desperately waiting.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Already have one but I have an issue with root permissions, it simply doesnt work in new build. Will try to fix this evening...

I have difficult job so often after it I dont have much free time and juice to do something ;D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] king123321:
thanks for new update, is the Optimus G lockscreen comes with bugs ? like teardrop makes the device hang on boot is this lockscreen is a bit laggy like other roms that comes with it ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
No, didn't notice any issues ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Adam77Root:
Hmm, what do you mean by fixing localhost ping issue? Would you mind sharing how you did it?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
I mean you couldn't ping your own device, It was my own fault in previous versions, moving to new firmware base fixed it. It is related with (system\bin\system_server)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] JAsko_san:
Download link not working :/
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Re-uploaded with correct fonts and no power on/off sound

P. S. use latest uploaded rom ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] wahab080:
desperately waiting 4 the upload.!!!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Turbol:
so far working good.

fast gps lock

17600 in antutu with iodak v8
[LG Optimus 4X HD] qwaki:
Download link is not working! ?:eek::rolleyes::(

Tapatalk 2-vel küldve az én OptimusX4HD-ről
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Sipi1302:
Downloading now, looking forward to try updateted rom keep the good work.:D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] saurav112214:
Thankyou so much siauka for new rom. Will test it for few days and report.

As for users of this rom..did u guys do a clean install or just updated this over previous? Is it ok if i just update?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] qwaki:
someone upload to another download link? above does not work for me! :eek::rolleyes:

Thx!

Tapatalk 2-vel küldve az én OptimusX4HD-ről
[LG Optimus 4X HD] saurav112214:
+1. I get extremely slow download speed.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] TechL0v3r:
I've downloaded it at 1.6MB/s
[LG Optimus 4X HD] saurav112214:
Could you please create a mirror for our convenience, with permission from siauka.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Turbol:
Use chrome to download

Wysłane z mojego LG-P880 za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 4X HD] TechL0v3r:
Okay, I'm uploading rom on mediafire
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Can't download

Cannot download. Can somebody please upload to a different site or mirror (with permission from Siauka)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] MidnightDevil:
I downloaded with no issues at 1.6mb/s :|

@OP, will report soon, thanks :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] TechL0v3r:
Hold on guys, almost finished
[LG Optimus 4X HD] qwaki:
Pls add link! :rolleyes::D

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] TechL0v3r:
20 minutes left xD
[LG Optimus 4X HD] qwaki:
Thx! :D

Tapatalk 2-vel küldve az én OptimusX4HD-ről
[LG Optimus 4X HD] TechL0v3r:
Finished! enjoy guys

http://www.4shared.com/zip/QYr3yXnB/ZR2.html

Siauka could you add this mirror on the main page?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] qwaki:
Ohhhh thank you mean! :D:D:D:D

Tapatalk 2-vel küldve az én OptimusX4HD-ről
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Sipi1302:
Rom is excellent, no lags, FC or hickups, excellent work. Will test more for battery. :):thumbup::thumbup:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dokii22:
I had laggs while closing app or multitasking and while downloading app,I back up apps with Titanium,went to CWM,did Wipe data cache ( factory),wipe cache and wipe dalvik and installed and is it necessary to do whole factory reset with deleting photos,videos or just wipe data with CWM ?

Thx and cant wait to test :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Sipi1302:
I did clean install like you and everything is workin just fine. Try custom kernel like iodak or optimus if you have lags with stock.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] vieri_202:
DELETE
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Lock screen lag

Flashed the ROM yesterday. ROM is very smooth and good.

One problem i had observed is that when the screen is off, if we press the power button the screen is waking up atleast one second late. This is not the case with the ROM based on 20a.

Also the RAM utilization is in between 690 and 708 MB with no other apps installed. Why is this high usage?

Has anybody observed these?

I did not find any other problems except these.

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Also, is this rooted? I did not find the SU app pre loaded.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Such RAM utilization is because of stock kernel, you can try any other custom kernel to see the difference.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Lock screen lag

Thank you Siauka. I just forgot its a stock kernel. To flash a different kernel, is it the same as flashing thru CWM? Is it possible to open the zip file, include the kernel, and then reflash the rom again?

Also i want to remove some of the themes and include others. And also include some fonts. Is it possible?

Please let me know.

Thanks a lot for your wonderful ROM.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
I don't recommend you flashing kernel this way because every custom kernel has it own modules and other stuff, its not enough to replace boot.img, after all you can have root and other stuff issues.

I think you can change themes and fonts if you know what you doing ;D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
New build and version uploaded :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] mykeykoo:
Wow and I just finish setting up the ZR2 :p you''re on fire ^^ Btw is it possible to do "dirty install" over previous Zaiben? I hate to have to setup everything again... thank you
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Link not working

[MENTION=2823151]Siauka[/MENTION]

The second download link is not working. Giving the error as "Failed to get file link"
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
In this case do full wipe because it absolutely new build.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] salmonpar:
v3

Did a full wipe coming from v2,running smooth ,battery life good so far, do you know how i can get extended lg keyboard with the number row on top as i can install this on any other custom rom but with this it reverts back to original keyboard for some reason(i hope that makes sense):confused:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dokii22:
Guys I have a bug,problem or how to call that,I've tried every possible ROM/kernel,the apps are always reloading,I have to wait for 5-10 seconds to able to use LG again,it's laggy,it often happens after unlocking or exiting some app,it happens always either I have 150 mb ram free or 350 mb,I dont know what to do.

On CM/CM based ROM it happens less often,but it happens.

I dont what could cause that,cause I've tried wiping data/cache/dalvik cache,factory reset while I was on stock ROM,every available rom/kernel,I dont where to ask for help.

What could cause that,should I try full wipe with deleting all photos/videos ?

Homescreen always reloads app,the screen stays empty until apps start reloading and it takes sometimes to 20 seconds,I cant use phone while doing that and it's so laggy.

Unimaginable feeling when you pay 300 euros for phone and my old Samsung GT i5505 didnt have this issues. :confused:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Link not working

Is anybody able to download the RC3 version?

I tried with the second link posted in the first post but it is not working.

[MENTION=2823151]Siauka[/MENTION] can you please check?

Also is it possible for you to make a RC3 version with the iodak kernel? That seems to give more free RAM.

I did not face any stability issues with your RC1 version.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Update:

=====

Found the following things.

1) 3G suddenly gets disconnected and reconnects again even though there is a good signal. Disconnection also taking time around 8+ seconds.

2) Heating up very fast. 15 minutes of 3G browsing only and the phone is noticeably hot. My screen brightness is at 57% and when i tried to increase the the screen brightness it says "Unable to increase due to temperature increase". So disconnected the 3G, waited for 10 mins to cool down and then tried to increase the brightness but got the same message again. At this point i had observed a strange thing. Lock the phone by pressing the power button, unlock it again, draw down the status bar and then tried to increase the brightness. Surprisingly this time it worked. Weird !!!!

I did not have the 3G disconnection problem in the RC1 version. Heating problem is also definitely less in the RC1 version. I am not a very extreme user as i do not try each and every thing but an above average user with medium gaming.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Dont have any issues that you mentioned :/
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Brawler7:
Can somebody share the weather widgets fron lg . This is the only thing i miss in this rom.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] momothecat:
Yup, I'm with Siauka, I never experienced those issues

Sent from my tf101
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Rafael Cardoso:
Any one having low volume on this rom or just me?

Thanks! :fingers-crossed:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] emre81tr:
Second download link not working
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Sipi1302:
The rom is excellent only thing is I can get lower cpu freq. then 750 ghz on any kernel. ATM Im using OP 2.7.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] igorstoja83:
I cant download this rom :(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Zelych:
It solved the problem of stock 20B that changing the ringer volume does not change SMS alerts?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] GalaxyVolvoZ:
What is this Rom ? Just a modified better Stock 4.1.2 ?

And is all smooth like ICS ?

And can I flash other Kernels ? Like in OP flash the Stock Version ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] saurav112214:
Yes! every sentence you asked about! Just Yes!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] fmgeraldine:
Any KDZ file to this rom ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Sorry but no, only flashable zip through CWM
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Mguttsche:
AW: [ROM][JB 4.1.2] Zaiben

Very nice, Very smooth, just great :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] someth1ng:
Honestly, don't use Apex. If people want Apex, they can install Apex - use stock Android launcher.

The Apex JB Theme one is not smooth.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] nbock97:
AW: [ROM][JB 4.1.2] Zaiben

I like Apex as Launcher! It's a great one and for me Trebuchet has not enough functions:(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
I have tested plenty of launchers over 4 years and in my opinion Apex is the best for this moment on stock based roms.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] someth1ng:
Maybe it's just me then, it's not that Apex ISN'T smooth, I just don't think it's AS smooth as the AOSP launcher.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] igorstoja83:
is the battery life better on this rom?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] babymatteo:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.2] Zaiben

Much much better. Bcos most of LGs crap has been removed. Then use Apex for even more smoothness. I always have 350-500 free RAM.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Before this rom for example if I unplug charger on 100% in ~9h o'clock in the morning and after all day when listen to the music, facebook, skype, browser, benchmarks, lot of sms and calling, my battery would be empty since ~8h o'clock in the evening and even less. With this rom I do the same and even more but I still have not less ~20% of battery till the midnight. It's my personal experience so it may be different to you :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] igorstoja83:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.2] Zaiben

Thanx dude il try this rom

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I have one more question.how to make that settings menu have dark backround,this white settings background is s..t and drain much battery life?thanx.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.2] Zaiben

The screen is not AMOLED so colour will not make a difference :rolleyes:

Sent from my rooted P880
[LG Optimus 4X HD] someth1ng:
I made some more app removals...

Google Bookmarks Sync

WAP Service

Shutdown Monitor

Setup Wizard

Market Feedback Agent

Google Partner Setup

Home Selector

Now, I have a total of 63 apk files and just over 400MB free RAM on stock AOSP 4.2 launcher - I haven't seen any problems so far.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] juanacevedo:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.2] Zaiben

I agree, apex has been nothing but problems for me on this device.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] someth1ng:
You can get the stock android launcher here: http://d-h.st/hRk
[LG Optimus 4X HD] e-53e:
Little probem in Z.0.2

Is somebody can use the equalizer?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Wakka_Tulkas_Mogue:
Unfortunately for me I had to go back to stock rom and I gave FC PlayerPro which is the program I use to listen to music :crying:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Updated first post:

If you use music player that has native equalizer like "PowerAMP" you wont get this apk conflict. It appears on players that uses build-in system equalizer like "MusicFX" or "DSP Manager". I will try to figure this out later, may be some changes with "DSP Manager". I'm music lover so I will definitely try to do best what I can ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Wakka_Tulkas_Mogue:
uninstalling the app would solve the problem? (if so I return to install and test) :p
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
In "Google Play" you will simply not be able to use equalizer, don't know about other players. I use "PowerAMP" so I don't get any problems like this.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] GalaxyVolvoZ:
So only way is to flash via cwm a kernel ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
Hello dev could you add the Q-Slide Apps in this ROM please ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
build.prop tweaks

[MENTION=2823151]Siauka[/MENTION],

can u share the build.prop tweaks related to 3G and speed that you had included?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Beppemi:
Tested it right now, run smooth and fast... thanks dude!!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] saltofx_v:
I install cwm via rom manager.can I install your rom?is there any problem?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dev0lver:
there is no problems with this rom, everything works, had it myself for some time, and it runs really good

download rom, put it on sd card, enter CWM, wipe data/dalvik/cache, in mounts and storage format everything (except thing related to sd card), then flash rom from the sd card and thats it, reboot phone and let it boot to rom

note that first boot takes some time to be done because rom is getting an initial setup
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Rafael Cardoso:
Good morning.

First of all, congratulations, this rom is very good and fast!

Just one problem is bothering me :crying:

The screen delays 1 or 2 seconds to wake up.. I'm using optimus kernel..

Is there any solution for it?

Thanks! :cool:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dev0lver:
only solution is to use iodak kernel, or WWJB kernel, they have instant screen on when pressing power button

optimus prime is more battery life oriented, therefore you have that delay when pressing unlock key, that is normal behavior of that kernel
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Rafael Cardoso:
Thanks for your attention and reply!

But, how's the battery life on iodak kernel? :confused:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dev0lver:
for me who don't play games on phone is really good, i can get it through whole day (08:00 - 21:00) with normal to heavy usage

try for your elf and see what fits you the best
[LG Optimus 4X HD] user28:
Kernel

I generally play games on my mobile maybe an hour in a whole day and another hour of browsing on 3G. Not a heavy gamer though. So which kernel do you suggest for me?

Can u also post the link for that suggested kernel please. And also how to go back to the stock kernel?

And kernel flashing is throuth CWM... right? Correct me if i am wrong please.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dev0lver:
try this two also with iodak kernel, to see which one suits you the best

iodak kernel

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2270308

optimus play kernel

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2425455

or WWJB kernel

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2256899

this are kernels that i use the most, and also if you want more battery life oriented kernel, go with optimus prime kernel ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2328353 )

before flashing a new kernel make a backup of the rom (wia cwm or rom manager), so if you want stock kernel back, just make a restore of backup after flashing kernels,

since that you use zaiben, make that backup because you don't have link to download stock kernel in first post, usually you have that link in some custom roms

yes, you can flash kernel from cwm, but first wipe cache/dalvik and then flash kernel you want
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jitesh22:
i miss the weather clock widget.. can anyone plzz include it ??
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
With new repacked kernel fills much smoother in overall usage, didn't test in gaming or something like that.

Would be nice if someone test it with gaming or some other heavy usage and post results :)

P. S. Much rare delay in screen wake up.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Beppemi:
i have an issue.... the rom is smooth and fast, but today (is the second time), when i go to wake up the phone i see just the status bar.... all screen black!

Just few second and the phone reboot, restart and again,, i see just the statusbar...

I had to wipe everythings and flash again the rom... i dont know why it happens but it was the second time...

Anyone had my same problem??
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Never ever had this issue by myself :/
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Beppemi:
I know, infact it's a really weird issue! :(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] mindstorms54:
I dont know if this is a bug

I found sometime when I am connected WiFi,my network can't workwork least i reboot my phone.

At first,I think the problem may caused by the kernel I flashed after installing this Rom.

So I REINSTALL this Rom without flashing any add-on or kernels,but the problem seems doesn't solved.

May I ask what happens?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jitesh22:
same problem here
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Turbol:
Same

Wysłane z mojego LG-P880 za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 4X HD] themis123:
Volume wake up

Can we use volume to wake up the phone with this new rom?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
On which version of rom it happened?

No
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Turbol:
For me happend on rc3. Rc2 works good for me

Wysłane z mojego LG-P880 za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Use RC4 or flash new repacked kernel
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
[MENTION=2823151]Siauka[/MENTION] could you add Qslide Apps please ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Done, new RC5
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
Amazing thanks a lot !!!

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Just a little thing [MENTION=2823151]Siauka[/MENTION] , could you add the stock browser ? Because the browser is IMO the most useful app with QSlide so I reall miss it
[LG Optimus 4X HD] greece-for-ever:
PLEASE i cant downloading the rom mirror pls
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Xtream95:
Can i skip wipe data/factory reset if im coming from RC3 to RC5?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Yes, you can flash it over since RC3, just wipe cache and dalvik cache
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Latest update screwed auto brightness. +1 for stock browser/qslide, and as many have asked stock weather app or a zip add-on for it, I know you posted it further back but can you add this to the op?

Edit: Don't trust anykernel, brightness working fine ;)

Sent from my smart frying pan (Tegra 3)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] m.heydari2016:
Sth weird since RC3 happened for me. every time in second boot(for RC3 RC4 RC5) i have black screen expect for notification bar and i couldn't use my phone.

I forced to back RC2. Any tip for solving this problem would be appreciated.

wipe cache and wipe dalvik do not change anything for me!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] greece-for-ever:
can mirror the rom plz i cant dawnload
[LG Optimus 4X HD] MidnightDevil:
Last time that happened to me, I had to reinstall the ROM.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
The tip is to do a FACTORY RESET and the rest of wipes before flashing, because RC3 is all new build. Only since RC3 you can flash it over new build without factory reset.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] m.heydari2016:
Thx man, so far no problem. i tried several reboot. Funny i usually do factory reset before falshing a rom. maybe i forgot it!:eek:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] wojasheck:
On this ROM is this "feature" causing screen on when sms comming like on stock?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Brawler7:
Wrong ROM ?

I download the RC5 from link in the first page ( Mega ) . But when I flashed it it says RC4 ? The link says RC5 , so where is the RC5 ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Allex42HD:
hi i want to ask 2 questions:

first: this rom have original lg weather and widget?

and two: this rom have lg music player widget ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
no
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Sorry my mistake, everything is ok you have the correct RC5 you can see it by qslide for example, I just forgot to change (display build name) ;D

Fixed name reuploaded
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Brawler7:
Thanks for the answer . Is there any hope for the weather widget as a separate add on ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Allex42HD:
hi Siauka can you craete a full vrsion(i mean with all apps) :D i want a full lg experience! i want all weather and music widget back :(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Beppemi:
It happened with RC3...Now I'll try the new version u release.. I'll give u feedback.

Thanks so much anyway ;)

Inviato dal mio LG-P880 utilizzando Tapatalk
[LG Optimus 4X HD] leris2:
Does the latest version support Greek language?

I'm leaving for work now and i can't test but if it does i'll flash it when i get back.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] 23anand23:
ROOT not available

i installed/flashed this rom after rolling back to stock v20C from CM 10.2,

i also flashed the repacked kernel,

is there anyway to obtain performance options and governors etc into this ROM,

and also there is no ROOT in this rom.

i have tried various methods for root, but the SUPERUSER icon never comes ,

what can i do to obtain root access and then be able to run apps like GREENIFY, PERFORMANCE CONTROL etc etc..??:(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jory9:
indeed no root access.

and i got a bug, when an apps try to locate my position trough wifi or 3G it just simply cannot find my position and it keeps searching...

edit: it found my location after like 15 minutes.

greetz jory
[LG Optimus 4X HD] nikolas60:
aderfe exei elinika kai ola komble
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jory9:
now i get only a statusbar when it's booted and my screen turns black after 5 secs and there is nothing else i could do ... wow...

greetz
[LG Optimus 4X HD] leris2:
Thanks filos!!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
ROOT should be automatic, I mean with no questioning, are you sure that root required apps not working?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jory9:
I also didn't have root after flashing rc5 and i also had alot of bugs. I did a whole factory reset , my device booted and i could only see a status bar, and after 5 secs i had a black screen.

any ideas??

greetz
[LG Optimus 4X HD] moneyvirus:
No problems here did your do format. System and format data too? Just a complete format just to be sure.

I mean then one under Mount and storage in cwm
[LG Optimus 4X HD] m.heydari2016:
It's happened to me! before installing, in recovery do factory reset and format system in mount section.and u r good to go:highfive:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jory9:
i did , still no luck =/
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Siauka:
Can you confirm that you have root access after flashing RC5 after full format and wipe?