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[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] snakecharmer23:
I am very hopeful that there will be a first-party car dock. I am currently using one on my Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy SII) and it is the best Car dock I've ever used. The USB plug is a sliding mechanism which means no having to plug the wire in and true one-handed use. Here is a video review of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XNr7A91j0

I did some searching and it doesn't appear that Samsung made a car dock for the S3 so what do you think the possibility is of them making one for the S4?

EDIT... So I did a little more searching and it seems the S3 actually fits into the dock for the Infuse 4G. See here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTWn5DykwSE

Given that the S3 and S4 are so similar in size, it seems possible that this might be a decent solution. We'll have to just wait and see.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] azian_advanced:
I have the Infuse 4G car dock for my S3 and I'm really hoping that it will work with the S4, or Samsung releases a car dock made for the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] snakecharmer23:
If you are getting the S4, please post back here with your findings. I'd be very interested to know if it fits in that dock.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MultipleOutput:
If Samsung can make a car dock for A TABLET, they can make one for the S4!

http://www.androidcentral.com/first-look-galaxy-note-8-car-dock
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Infuse Car Dock owner since the Skyrocket, here's hoping it works for the THIRD phone in a row! dimensions are all but the same, the S4 is a little thinner but that's easy to resolve, my only question is in regard to those sharper corners.... but hey, the Skyrocket had those same straight(er) edges, let's make it happen!!!

It just has to work the same way as it has for the Skyrocket and SIII though for me to be 100% happy with it - the dock has to place the phone in car dock mode, which should occur, but anything could go wrong with this, it was a miracle IMO that the SIII worked in the dock after being designed for a phone prior to the SII, the Infuse!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] scott14719:
I used the Infuse car dock with my Skyrocket for a while and it worked very well. The problem was that I had to take it out of my phone case every time I put it into the dock. It worked with a couple of the real thin cases, but it was real tight, and I didn't use those cases. I have also tried a couple of other docking options but what I found that works best is a Garvin Nuvi 200 car dock. I use the Seidio Active case and it works perfectly. Of course, it doesn't charge, or put anything into car mode. It is basically just a holder but it works very well. I can charge with the car charger and the camera is always open. I am hoping Samsung will release a car dock for the S4 that will work with certain cases, but if not, I think the Nuvi 200 holder will still work.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] phobium:
I definitely saw a placeholder for an official multimedia dock and vehicle dock for the S4 somewhere
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Well..... this might be the wrong thread for you then, I highly doubt Samsung will make a dock that will allow for a case, and considering I never use cases to begin with, this is perfect for me, so it isn't really much of a problem in so much as it isn't for you

Also, the Garmin Nuvi "car dock" you speak of isn't a car dock at all if it doesn't charge or put the phone into car mode, it's just a $10 holder and that's that, nothing more
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] scott14719:
I'm not sure why you had to need to make a negative reply that added nothing additional to the thread. I quoted you so other readers might see the positive parts about using the Infuse dock (as both you and I stated) and the potential negatives of using it. I related my experience with the Infuse dock just as the OP and yourself did. I then added the fact that the Infuse dock doesn't work well with phone cases. Its great that you chose to not use a phone case, but many people do and they should probably know that it doesn't work well with most cases before they run out to get one. I clearly stated the fact that the Garmin mount didn't work as a true car phone dock (there was no need for you to mention it again). And, the Infuse dock is NOT a car dock either. It is a desk mount that people have used in their cars for Infuses, S2 Skyrockets, S3s, and possibly the S4. If I misinterpreted your post, I apologize, but I still fail to see the relevance of your reply.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Good lord, settle down! If people can't figure out by ALL the posts made for car docks that you can't use cases with official Samsung branded ones (just look back at the Skyrocket and SIII threads for people asking 2 and 3 times in there if a case fits while using the dock), then they need to search more! It's quite the common knowledge by now, so if we're having a hissy fit over who's post is more relevant by going into excruciating detail, then you should be looking more at your post....

Now, with that being said, I think you need to learn the difference between a CAR dock and a DESKTOP dock - pics will do the job for me in this case:

Infuse 4G CAR dock (from AP)

Infuse 4G DESKTOP dock (from Newegg)

No one was using the desktop docks in their cars, and furthermore, the car dock was NOT a desktop dock they used in their cars, it's a CAR dock, the suction cup is for the windshield or the dash, not designed for a desk though people used it for that because of how cheap it was.... just because something has an alternate use, if it's labeled for CARS or DESKS, that's what it was originally designed for

Now that you've brought me this far off topic, let's try to get back if you don't mind
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] slipudatung:
I have just tested it and it doesn't fit. It's actually way too big. The reason the s3 fit was due to rounded corners. The more square corners on the s4 make it far too big.

Bummer.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
NOOOOOoooooo........ Do you think it would work with modification on the corners of the dock? I've got a lot of experience working on custom parts for cars, or is it more than just squaring out the insides of those rubber corners in the dock?

Damnit I was really hoping it was going to be a drop-in, slam dunk like the SIII was right after the Skyrocket!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] mpazevedo:
Samsung Galaxy Universal Vehicle Navigation Mount

This is what you guys want if you want the Samsung dock. I got it for the S3 and it will fit the S4. I won't be surprised it they announce it later for the S4 since it fits a phone up to 5.5" screens.

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ECS-K200BEGSTA
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] slipudatung:
Well, hard to say. It would definately need a lot of modification to allow the phone to rest in the dock (and line up the charger) but then you need to keep it in there!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] slipudatung:
I guess it depends on your primary intention for the dock.

Mine was to have line out and charging without having to fiddle with cables. Holding the phone is an added bonus! Haha
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
MAN, how does this phone with the same dimensions get THAT far off??? I know what you were saying about the corners, but if I didn't know better, it looks almost like you were trying to put a Note I in that car dock!

Agreed, I don't want Universal ANYTHING, even from Samsung directly.... I can put my SIII in this dock one-handed, flip up the base, and my phone goes immediately into Google Music thanks to Tasker, ready to play through the speakers with the attached AUX input cable to the dock.... I'm always taking short drives around town, I'm definitely not going to be connecting two cables every time I get in the car after fitting it into a universal dock with two hands!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] nico3838:
I've exactly the same opinion !

If I can't found a good CarDock, I keep my Galaxy S2 !
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Oh now I don't know if I'll go that far.... I HAVE to have a car dock in my car with the bigger stereo, the other car I have is more for racing and show (though it has a big stereo in it), I only listen to Google Music in the car, but I'll be damned if I'm keeping my SIII over getting this new S4 soon! haha
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] gzrecoil:
NoooOo00oo, I NEED a car dock. I had one for the Atrix 4G and the Atrix HD, and can't own a phone without a car dock.

I'm in my car VERY often, and stream music via bluetooth, along with navigation and charging. UghHhHHhhH.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Desert Rat:
How about Kidigi's car mount cradle or iBOLT xProdock? Both of them are active car holders.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Links would have helped! Both the iBOLT (Amazon link) and Kidigi car dock look great for those who have cases and need a car dock, like certain people who commented here, but I just don't know about that adapter cable.... definitely not a one handed operation, for sure, but good option again for cases

Might have to do until Samsung releases an official, or ProClip makes one at least!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] rallyfan1986:
will the s4 automatically start in car mode when connected into the dock?

As I've read this feature was disabled in jellybean

Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Desert Rat:
Wasn't allowed to post any links until I had 10 posts sorry :P
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Cast|el:
anyone make a wireless charging dock yet? I know of Owl carpad and the nokia one

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an NFC sticker would fix that
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
My SIII with stock Touchwiz 4.1.2 starts just fine, don't know where you read that
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] rallyfan1986:
it says it on the ibolt amazon.co.uk web page

Product Description

The 3-part, individually made vehicle dock for the Samsung Galaxy S3/S2/Nexus fascinates by your optimum form. The phone lies perfectly attached. A continuous loading of the phone, and transferring of music allows the integrated electronics to your sound system. The audio / USB-charging cable can be moved therefore firmly and invisibly. The phone with the sound system can be connected by a stiff adaptor cable directly in the fixture. The fixture offers a comfortable advantage for users of a protective covering. Your Smartphone with most current protective coverings can be used by the distance of an application, easily and the vehicle and sound mode be activated.

The 2.7-m-long Y-cable contained in the scope of supply (mUSB to USB/AUX) allows a positioning of the dock at every place of the windscreen.

This dock is a "must have" for all Samsung Galaxy S3, and perfects the functions navigation and entertainment by the Smartphone in your Vehicle enjoy never again to have an empty Battery after your drive.

IMPORTANT: not working with 4.1.X Jelly Bean Firmware
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
I highlighted where your issue is - NOT a factory Samsung car dock! NOT guaranteed to go into car mode!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] snakecharmer23:
iBolt looks like the best one so far

OP chiming in here.... Thanks everyone for the constructive discussion. Based on what I've seen so far the iBolt xPro looks like the best option to date. I watched a vid on YouTube showing its use and that is about as close to a one-handed car dock as I've seen (not counting the Samsung branded one I mentioned in the first post). http://youtu.be/k97vG2Fjvkg

Over time I could see myself getting accustomed to it and being able to get that microUSB cable into my phone with one hand. I'll just wait for someone to do a video review with an actual S4 before pulling the trigger.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Hmm, let's take a step back with this whole thing.... the S4 is supposed to eventually support wireless charging (just like the SIII was, and we all know how long that took to implement - it still hasn't, officially), what about a wireless charging dock and outputting audio through Bluetooth? Obviously, it doesn't work for everyone, but I know that if the wireless charging pad was small enough, and my car has a Bluetooth audio connection that I would rather not have to use if the 3.5mm plug is available for an instant connection, that would be a great option in the future!

If Nokia can do it (posted two months ago), I'm sure Samsung can as well! I think my only worry is that the low amperage may not be enough to charge up the device while playing Google Music AND using Google Navigation.... I use a 2.1A car charger and it blasts through whatever I throw at it, charging the battery up with the screen on and both of those essential Google driving apps running - 1.0A may not be enough to do it!

EDIT - looks like I'm not the only one wondering if wireless charging would provide enough power, ProClip has been investigating too and said 3 months ago that they would have something in the next few weeks, so it probably isn't a likely solution anytime soon....
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] M3wThr33:
I'm currently using the Motorola 0.95A car charger. You think that's not enough to use for the S4?

It worked fine for my Evo3D with GPS and audio streaming on 4GWimax.

But looking at 2.1A chargers, are you sure your device is charging at that speed? That would mean the Samsung devices detect 2.1A using the same method as Apple devices. Is that right? Because otherwise, it limits it to 1A.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Amperage not used is not wasted, it just isn't used.... the Note II came with a 2A charger, from what I've been told, and newer phones won't even charge on the ****ty amperage coming out of USBs from your computer - it may be a placebo, but I've had excellent charging results using only 2.1A chargers in both my house and car, purchased specifically online to upgrade from the one that came with my SIII
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] M3wThr33:
I realize that, but if the concern that supply 1A isn't enough to charge the device while using it, actually supply 2.1A would be great.

There's two methods to charge safely past the 500mA official limit. You either use the Apple method of different voltages on the data lines OR the Android method of just shorting out the data cables. Most of these chargers mention iPad, so that means they use the Apple method. I guess modifying the cable itself to be charge-only would be the best bet.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Not sure about the limit or if the ones I bought are considered "safe," but the ones in my house have "IP Port" and "Non-IP Port" written on the two ports, and when I bought them, it said to use the IP Port for iPads at 2.1A, like you discussed.... the one for the car doesn't have that designation, just has two ports that split 2.1A, so I only use one of them for my phone while driving, leaving the other as a emergency charger for friends in the car, knowing that I'll only be getting 1A if they plug in

Back to the car dock discussion though, I held my SIII up to a dummy S4 today at Best Buy, and I'm pretty confident I can hack up the Infuse dock to work with the S4, despite the pic posted here by slipudatung, I'll just have to have it in hand and in the garage to tinker with it long enough - will post my results if I can or cannot get it working!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] M3wThr33:
Also, seeing the issues with the other dock not working Jellybean, a possible temporary workaround is this:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1bGwsMSwyLDEsIm5ldC5jd2ZrLmlnODguY2FybW9kZSJd

At least for the mean time. That app simply forces your device into car mode. It says only up to Honeycomb, but it works fine on my ICS device.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
I looked into this and would hate to have to click on this button in order to fire up car mode, but I'm not having much luck with the S4 on the Infuse dock today, other than this:

So I got the physical part of it done, no problem, a little heating, a little dremeling, a little adjusting, and it fits nicely - locked in and won't come out unless you pull on it a good bit.... here's the "damage" under the phone, which is highlighted by the lighting in this pic, but otherwise looks very clean in person (the right side of the image shows the grinding done to the top portion of the dock, but the bottom, on the left, has some grinding done just to even out the placement of the phone on the dock and keep it secured while driving):

(don't mind the white carbon wrapped vinyl on the bottom of the dock, makes it easy to grab a hold of and pull up or down)

The PROBLEM now is that the S4 won't go into car mode nor will it charge when connected to this dock! What the heck, I tried using the official charger that came with the S4 and everything - no power going to the device.... what's weird is that the SIII obviously got power when connected, I've been using this for the last year on the SIII and before that like I said on the Skyrocket, and the SIII gets power from the S4 factory charger, so what's the hold up with this?

It's got to be something in the connector that is preventing it from starting car mode, which we've established may be the case with newer phones that came with Jelly Bean, but the fact that I'm not getting any power to the device when connected really stumps me.... anyone have any thoughts on this?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] snakecharmer23:
Wow, that's dedication. As I was reading and looking at these pictures I was almost about to plunk down the coin needed for the infuse dock but then I saw what you said about the S4 not charging. That is a real kick in the nuts especially after all the work to get it to fit. Do you think it could be that the phone is not lined up at good angle for the USB plug to make contact? When you attach the USB, does it go into the port nicely or do you have to jam it in?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
It has nothing to do with the connection - I have a spare one that's gutted, not even attached to the phone mount itself, just a raw charging base, and after I got it fitted in the dock and saw it wasn't sending the phone into car mode, I grabbed that part to test separately and saw the same results....

The base is fully seated against the bottom of the charger, it is connected right, it just does not want to charge or at least send the phone into car mode for some odd reason! Can't figure it out so now it comes down to the wiring portion - someone with some more skill than I have needs to look into the wiring diagrams and find out what resistance is required to trigger car mode AND how to get this thing charging!

Thanks for the compliment about it being dedication - to me, this is just a necessity, and knowing a thing or two about customizing cars certainly helps in this matter!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] scott14719:
It seems like the author of this post may have the knowledge you need... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2250870

Or maybe set you on the right path.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Thanks, sending Aou over this way for some advice!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] wuilly:
Try the one from samsung infuse 4g it fits
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
I have been using the Infuse dock, mentioned that already - the pics I posted are of an Infuse dock.... It does not fit out of the box without modification
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] nico3838:
good job KryptosXLayer2 !

the audio passes through the usb?

for car mode, you can use a NFC Tag. but for charging, I don't know :/ it is unfortunate
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Haven't tried dock audio yet, will do that and report back, but the only NFC tags I have are Tec Tiles and stupid Samsung made this phone unable to read their "1st generation" tags, so I don't even have the ability of firing up car mode that way!!!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S 4 using the XDA app

EDIT - attempted dock audio, and it is definitely not recommended, it outputs a horrible noise even before I tried playing any music from the device! Don't know if that's because it requires power in order to work or what, but damn this thing could not be unplugged quick enough!

I've almost all but given up hope for the Infuse dock getting to work with the S4........
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] alx37:
I'm waiting for Brodit to finish their holder.

Car mode via connector is not really necessary, I change setting using the detection of the bluetooth connection established to the handsfree system.

Bluetooth music streaming works great.

ALexander
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] snakecharmer23:
Kryptos,

Check out this thread. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2256626

Some people can't get certain car chargers with shorted USB cables to work with the GS4. I don't know if this dock uses the same type of short to force AC charging over USB but it's as good as any explanation I can think of. Anything more would require that you open it up and examine the wiring but that's well beyond my abilities and knowledge.

Now I'm wondering if the iBolt will even work with the GS4. I look forward to seeing some reviews on Amazon by GS4 users.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
Hmmm, I'm using 2.1A chargers in the home and car, so it isn't that, I think it is more to do with the resistance used, since 619K is not the right resistance anymore as Aou proved in this thread, even though it was for almost all Samsung phones before....

The crazy part is that iBolt all but guarantees that their dock works with both the SIII and the S4, which I don't see how it can! If it is anything like this stupid NFC debacle Samsung decided to create for themselves, then damnit, the SIII is nothing like the S4!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MikaelPe:
KryptosXLayer2, I just personally checked the AT&T and the Sprint version today of the Galaxy S4 and as we knew before, they behaved perfectly with the xProDock. "DockMode" starts automatically and you can use Apps like CarHome Ultra, Ulysse Speedometer, TuneIn or iBOLT Dock'n Drive as your "home screen" when in the dock. You can also use the very cool 9ft "audio-out / charging cable" with the xPro so that there's only connection to the car dock instead of having two cables (charging & aux). Anyway, it works with all cases and no issues. We started a new post on the S4 "DockMode", see here... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2257310 Feel free to ask any questions and I'll answer as warranted. Thanks! MP
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] KryptosXLayer2:
That is GREAT news! Do you happen to have any insight as to why the Infuse dock won't charge / go into car mode then? Resistance? That's where we're all really stuck, I want to keep this thing so bad and modify it to work because I don't use a case currently, but I'm looking to sample and review one soon so I might HAVE to go with the iBolt! I'm waiting to hear back from Aou about his thoughts on buying an iBolt and getting some readings from it, but if you have them on hand or know of the real reason why the Infuse dock doesn't work with both phones but yours does, I'd love it hear it

Thanks in advance - I'm still not sold on universal docks but yours is definitely the best out there with the single cable now shipping with the docks, nice going!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MikaelPe:
Kryptos, as you probably saw in my reply on the other thread I unfortunately think the Infuse Dock is dead. Samsung have changed both the firmware and the pin-out so it neither charges nor is the traditional car-mode present anymore. As Samsung is not building their own OEM car dock it was probably not on the "checklist" so they simply skipped integrating the functionality. We've obviously figured out a solution and we are hard at work bringing a bunch of developers with us so they make their apps compatible with our Dock. We all can benefit from not only "DockMode" (as we simply call it henceforth) and the nice "aux-out" through microUSB, that is in my opinion a much bigger deal then anything they presented as "new feature" when introducing the S4. Hope this answers helps?