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[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
I have faith about Key Lime Pie coming to the US GS3, but maybe late. It isn't EOL: it's still being sold by AT&T!

Look at this:

AT&T GS2 released in October 2011 with ICS.

Jelly Bean released in June 2012.

AT&T GS2 is supposedly being updated to Jelly Bean (Sprint has already updated theirs) within a few months.

So, basically, Key Lime Pie for the GS3 in the summer of 2014? However, here's why I think it could be sooner:

1) The GS3 had a huge marketing campaign. Would Samsung, on huge momentum still, really let Apple, et al. make an ad "The next big thing...that won't get updated!"?

2) The US GS3 has a huge user base: I don't have US-only numbers, but there are 50 million GS3s in the world right now. That's huge. I don't think we can realistically compare that to the Atrix 4G, which doesn't even have publicly available sales figures (except an analyst calling them "disappointing").

~Ibrahim~
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] altitude909:
monkeys will fly out of my ass before this happens. face reality, 99% of all users could care less or even understand what ROM their fone is running. Lowest of the low priorities since anything that goes beyond the standard 2 year time cycle is completely irrelevant to Samsung since they count on everyone getting a new handset every 2 years..
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mrhaley30705:
It won't, we get the quad core version, as does most of the world. But that's not a bad thing. CM has announced they won't support Exynos processors, so by getting the Qualcomm processor we should get official CM on the GS4. I only say should because CM won't announce support until the phone is actually in retailers hands.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
That argument is popular. But, still, many devices (if not all) are updated at least once past their shipped OS. Why? Why even do that if "99% of all users could care less"? You gotta address that or else your statement is about as useful as a poop-stained monkey, haha.

There are other variables at stake here and one of them could well be the popularity of the device.

~Ibrahim~
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mrhaley30705:
I've heard they are required to do at least one OS update. I wish someone more learned than I could shed light on that.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
How popular the device means nothing other then to get people hyped about the next one.

After speaking with a few people that take care of software support for att. They feel the same as I do. We will see one update and after that we will most likely not see any other updates officially. They have even stopped all training for the S3 and are focusing all training on the S4.

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
Annnnd the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 is getting Jelly Bean! Look at that, guys..two major Android updates in one product's lifetime! Now, why would they have done that if the GS3 sold so well?

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Never heard of that, but their was the failed Android Update Alliance (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/what-happened-to-the-android-update-alliance/) saying you had to update if an OS update was released within 18 months.

So, you're saying that the popularity of the GS3 is only to get people excited about getting the GS4? For brand recognition only? That seems too far fetched as the only reason for the GS3's popularity. See the link above about the GS2's Jelly Bean update.

While I appreciate the insider information, it doesn't matter whether or not AT&T is training their reps on the GS3 or the GS4. And, actually, it's perfectly fine for the GS4 to be new "hip phone" at AT&T....nobody cared about the iPhone 4 when the iPhone 4S came out. Just because they aren't training people doesn't mean they've given up on the GS3. One update: well, we got Jelly Bean, so we're done, then? Hmph.Well, there's no point in speculating as we'll just be wasting time. I'll just say that if the GS3 doesn't get KLP, I'll probably leave Samsung. AOSP is good enough now, anyways...

~Ibrahim~
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Dude its not Samsung. All other OEM are the same when the carrier controls the updates. ATT didn't even update the inspire when the security hole in wifi was found as it was EOL. The S3 popularity was due to advertising. That's it. While android is very cool more and more are trading it in for IOS now that the hype is over. Android is not an OS for the non techies. All we can do is wait. It will most likely see 4.1.1 but I don't think it will be getting 4.2.2 or 5. My buddies are gonna send me any info they get about it. So only time will tell.

That doesn't surprise me. T-Mobile is a euro based company the euro devices are updates long after the US devices are not

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crixley:
Actually marketshare is showing the complete opposite.... ios falling and android growing.

Where are you getting your info?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
From watching the returns to the store.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crixley:
Sales data seems to suggest otherwise.. Many people are getting tired of ios and its total lack of change
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] andy55:
What happens in alaska must stay in alaska, lol. All I see around my neck of the woods is people wanting to swap their iphones for anything android. From a few buddies who have switched the consensus seems to be that even though android is more complex and is more feature rich, once they have mastered what apple has to offer (iOS) they are ready for a change to something more 'challenging' to learn/use. a quick scan of local buy/sell websites confirms this.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
My sight would be limited indeed if I only watched the Alaska market. I have long thought that Android would blow up at first and then die off to hard core techies as Android takes alot of work to get it to work the way one wants. Every few months a few other reltail store managers and I all get together and talk about stuff. One of the biggest things We all hear is that people are picking the Iphone or even WP because and I quote. (wouldnt have thought so my self but hey to each his own) "That they dont want to have to think to use their phone." To be honest I have found myself thinking "I wish it would just work" a time or two. Is Android Popular? Oh for sure. Will it stay that way? Only time will tell. I do hope it dies off a bit as all this popularity has really hurt development over all. Now before you jump up and scream let me explain. We have seen many Devs leave and just work for their own due to far too many people just not wanting to take the time to learn what they are doing. Example would The Advanced Ace Hack Kit. Even after the Dev made a copy and past text Document that all one had to do was read to get root on the HTC inspire, He still had dozens of people bricking and then screaming at him about it. In the end he pulled the only way to Root the phone and just quit. We see this alot more as the popularity of Android has grown.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
Well, looks like Samsung has a pretty broad definition of "popular" anyways:

AT&T Galaxy S II Skyrocket is getting Jelly Bean (shipped with Gingerbread): http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...taste-of-jelly-bean-rolling-out-now-via-kies/

Sprint's Galaxy Victory (yup..never heard of it, either) is getting Jelly Bean (I think shipped with ICS): http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-way-to-the-samsung-galaxy-victory-on-sprint/

And, to maybe put the final nail in this speculation, Samsung has confirmed the Galaxy S III will be getting all of the non-hardware-dependent features in the GS IV (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416620,00.asp). And I think it unlikely they'll ship that separate from an OS update that is coming right around the time the GS IV is released.

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@zelendel:

OK, but you realize getting more users will put MORE pressure on Google to make Android "just work"? If it "dies off a bit," you're decreasing that pressure and they can make it the "Linux" of the mobile world (in terms of reputation, not reality, haha; it's not a "just work" system, lol.).

And communities develop...the Galaxy S III has more users than I think any other Android device (http://m.androidauthority.com/worldwide-android-device-popularity-188512/) and the apps/ROMs/mods for it are astoundingly high.

If a developer left because of user mistakes, I think that..unfortunately..points out a flaw in the developer's mentality. What if Windows' developers left every time someone complained about a BSOD or lost data? People not following your instructions shouldn't make you abandon the people who DO follow instructions....rooting, etc. will always have an inherent risk using it. And, I hate to say it, but if that developer did everything right, then those bricked users are simply evolution's way of saying "some people are not smart enough and will not make it. sorry-I'm-not-sorry."

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And all indications point to Android becoming more user-friendly. The Babel unified messaging system coming sometime soon, the release of Google Keep, etc. I think the best of Android, honestly, is yet to come, for new users and techies alike! :D
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Yes I knew of this update coming. It is not just users. It is Samsung themselves. Seems only one CM maintainer is even thinking of staying with Samsung. The rest are moving to other devices. Some already have.

The thing is Google has nothing to do with OEM releases. They give them a base and let them do what they want with it. It all boils down to some saying OEM roms are better for the ease of use while others say AOSP is better due to lack of pointless bloat the OEM roms contain.(not talking apps, talking about all the pointless so called features) we will have to wait and see. I have been Modding phones now since my first razor flip phone and have seen OS come and go. Just look at the first smartphones. Windows mobile and blackberry. Both now going or on the way out.

Best for Google making things more user friendly take a look at this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ooqdU6Wq2sk#!

Here is another one that may help people understand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTRKL5E9Iak

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crixley:
I don't consider multi window and pop up browser useless features at all...

in fact they are pretty forward thinking. Samsung has brought a lot to the table
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
See that's all what suites each person. For me and alot of my team those option have no use. So in the end it all comes down to how you use your device.

Doesn't matter what they bring to the table. You lie to developers and they are not easy to forgive or forget. ( promising to release proper documentation and then not doing so)

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crixley:
I don't see any other oems innovating at all though...

though I understand the source thing must be frustrating.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
and now:

I'm confused by what you are trying to say. Why do you not think KLP will come to the GS3? I don't see any argument for that. I've given more than a few examples showing that Samsung updates its phones past one major OS version.

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Your other points are a little off-topic (the state of Android and its future), but they're interesting and I'll peruse them after work! :) Thanks for the discussion.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Because Samsung doesnt control the updates for the US devices. O has the video states Samsung has lied to us already in a big way so their word means little to nothing to me.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mrhaley30705:
It doesn't matter how many updates, or even leaks, are released for the international version of a phone. Leaks and updates on the US variants are up to each carrier, regardless of how many versions are sent to each carrier.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
Right, but Samsung has to provide the update initially to US carriers. I highly doubt AT&T is adapting AOSP Jelly Bean to their devices. Then, of course, AT&T takes their sweet time. But, Samsung has to initially send it, so they have some control.

Well, economics has a huge rule to play here. Samsung "wins" developer's hearts to get them to buy in and create street cred (I bought a GS3, didn't I?!), but because they're such a miniscule part of the market, they don't care about follow-through, as the video stated. If anyone hasn't read this account by a CM developer about the rudeness of Samsung, check it out:

https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/cdPnNjLAb4F

And, he's not just some bitter guy in a basement. The guy went to Cornell's College of Engineering and freaking works at Lockheed Martin! Very reasonable write-up.

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Welp. Samsung, it's been nice, but, I can't take this junk from anybody. Nexus: get your crap together (16GB max on the N4?! Stop that...leave that junk in the early 2000s) so more people want to buy your phones. And, borrow the most mainstream Samsung features:

Smart Stay: your phone doesn't turn off if you're looking at it

Quick Settings that are actual toggles

Palm swipe to take a screenshot

Maybe by Android 6 or 7, we'll have some serious, worthy competitors for Samsung...really digging the waterproof Sony Xperias..

~Ibrahim~
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Do you know how many updates the OEM have sent to the carriers that never see the light of day? Take a look at the HTC inspire or the galaxy s1 both had updates sent to att and both time the euro version was updated but the US version was not. And these updates were to fix major security flaws. This has always been and always will be the case. Just watch and see. XDS was made with leaks from OEMs as the carriers were not updating them. This has been the case now for as long has I have had a smartphone which is almost 8yrs now. The longer you are around smart phones the more you will understand. As long as the carriers in the US only care about the new devices coming up and care little for the older devices. Just look at their EOL policies. The average device is deemed EOL after 4 months. From then on they are trying to clear out stock for the next device. Hell no store up here can even order the s3 any more from the home office. It has been labled as end of life.

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
When the Galaxy S (original) was released, though, I think we had a pretty different smartphone market and even culture. Again, do you see the links I posted to phones getting Jelly Bean that were released with Gingerbread? Of course there will be many that are not, but I think it's important to acknowledge, whatever your views on Samsung are, that they are pushing out a fair few updates.

I get it, really, that many phones don't get updated. But, we're talking about the Galaxy S3, man. Not only is it their flagship, it is their best selling phone ever of all time since they became a company and in the history of Android (repetition for emphasis).

I also get that even the Galaxy S3 will not get all the Android updates. But, I think it is reasonable to say it will get KLP. Also, your argument that you don't believe what Samsung says: that's valid when there isn't money involved in their promises, like in releasing source code. They make maybe up to 5% of their sales (total guess) on tech-fluent individuals. But, when Samsung says to its base market that they will get S4's software updates (and here on a limb I say KLP, too), that is a "more-than-100-people-will-not-buy-our-next-phone" promise. And, if companies care about anything, it's money. Of course, the updates aren't the only thing that draw people in, but it's not insignificant.

EOL: The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket is way beyond EOL, lol.

Why did it get a Jelly Bean update from AT&T?

I apologize to other users for the size, but you seem to be ignoring all of this evidence. Read the sentence about the Skyrocket getting Jelly Bean and doesn't it make sense that:

It doesn't matter that Samsung lied to developers.

It doesn't matter that the GS3 is "EOL".

It doesn't matter that 500 unpopular Android devices didn't get updates.

It doesn't matter that in the past Samsung didn't update their devices in the US.

It doesn't matter that AT&T is focusing on newer devices.

It doesn't matter that AT&T is responsible for the final leg of pushing updates to users.

It doesn't matter how many XDA developers are leaving Samsung.

Samsung is a jerk to developers and that's morally wrong--I'm with you. But, for the question at hand, you have provided no reliable that provides a causal argument that explains why the GS3 won't get KLP.

My tone is a little argumentative because for the past week we have been 100% talking past each other. Can we revisit the question?

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Another piece of evidence that the GS3 is legitimately different: a 4.1.2 "premium suite" build for SPRINT was leaked: http://qbking77.com/development/android-mc3-premium-suite-leaks-for-sprint-samsung-galaxy-s3/
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Ok your right. WE have been. The only way we will know is to wait and see. As for the S3 being the flagship, it was until the S4 which will be the new flagship until the S5 next year and then we repeat.

We will most likely get 4.1.2 maybe even 4.2.2. If we do get 5.0 KLP it will most likely be about a year after it is released. Only time will be able to tell. Until then it is all what we think. We could bat around thoughts and Ideas all we want but in the end, it all is up to the carriers.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
True, we won't ever know until Samsung and AT&T say something. But, aren't the smart people in the room the ones who can analyze trends, provide arguments, and predict the future?

Anyways, the ACLU is asking for an investigation of the carriers for withholding security-related Android updates: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/04/wireless-carriers-deceptive-and-unfair/
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Bagbug:
technically, it is 2 quad core, and it makes a lot of sense, wake up
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Not if android is not yet able to take advantage of it yet. Heck if multi level threading isn't up to par for quad core.

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Your right those that have been around since before smartphones were used by everyday people would be able to see the way things MAY turn out.

The article is interesting and I will be watching it closely to see what happens.

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crixley:
wake up?

I'm an electrical engineer, not just some moron off the street. Just saying it switches between two pairs of 4 cores, one for lower level stuff and one for more intensive.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] duke4c:
For the love of me I don't understand discussions like this...

Google will release Android 5...

Couple of weeks later source will get up for grabs ...

Within a month of source beeing avalaible we'll all be rocking it... 2 months after most if not all bugs will be ironed out...

As for TW same story... as soon as source is out someone will port it and everyone will have it...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
You really have to do some research. First there is no source for TW as it is closed sourced. Next. The biggest issue is that Samsung refuses to provide proper documentation for the Exynos chip which will make bringing a 5.0 kernel over almost impossible. This is the reason all the source code devs are leaving Samsung.

This is talks about the international version of the device. Not the US version which you have.

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] duke4c:
You might be right...

This was a quite an eye opener for me...

(I only discovered this story recently... sorry if it's repost...)

https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/cdPnNjLAb4F

I'm just looking at it from a perspective of ordinary joe flashing around... so far, just about everything that Samsung or Google released ended up on ATT version of S3... this is why I was so puzzled trying to understand exactly why would this change any-time soon...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Also you have to think. That officially the S3 is 2 android versions behind the AOSP code.

All the AOSP maintainers have already stated they are leaving Samsung all together so anyone that wants to work on CM will be starting from scratch instead of having people that have been working on galaxy devices from the start. I was there when it all started with the first galaxy and then got the S2. Just about gave up but decided to give the S3 and shot and that was the straw that broke it. I will not get another Samsung device ever again.

Wayne Tech S-III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mrhaley30705:
Didn't CM say they were no longer supporting Exynos devices?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Yeah for the most part.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] CZ Eddie:
So that leaves what, htc if you're on AT&T. Htc is an even worse choice IMO.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Nope Going Nexus. If HTC was still as good as they once were I would be back with them but they started shutting out devs just like Samsung is doing now. So like most of the other Devs I will be getting nothing short of a Nexus.

Carrier doesnt matter as I buy all my devices retail.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] upndwn4par:
CM publicly stated that decisions would be made on a per device basis. There were a lot of rumors that CM would not support the S4. CM immediately responded saying that they would not make any decisions until the device became available for evaluation.

I would go Nexus in a second, but I can't live without external storage. My brother is on his second Nexus device. One issue I have seen with both is poor battery life. The problem with the Nexus concept is that device makers can't add all their normal tweaks for battery life.

Bottom line is I have no idea what device I will be getting next. Not really happy with any of my choices of manufacturer.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zelendel:
Agreed no one has said anything for sure except for the exynos chip which alot wont be seeing anyway.

I am just tired of having to dealing with crappy bloated OEM versions of android. I am willing to learn to live without the external storage as I have a feeling we will see less and less OEMs adding it.

Battery life from what I have been told from others on my team is equal to what I get on the S3.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] upndwn4par:
I really hope external storage does not go away. But device makers do seem to be moving in that direction along with fixed batteries.

For Nexus, my biggest fear is that Motorola will have the next device. I learned my lesson with Moto - never again.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crixley:
It's a horrible direction imo...

Trying to push people to cloud storage even though unlimited data plans barely exist. This is the phone companies fantasy come true.

16gb is definitely not enough for me and although I have a 6gb data plan I don't want to waste it on accessing stuff through the cloud.

I don't like where they are taking things, and don't see the reasoning behind getting rid of sd cards and removable batteries. Might as well run out and get an iPhone

I really agree with Adam's take on things here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtyZhwvhqiQ