yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Bt is a combination of libs modules framework. The viper team modified the framework and our kernel isn't built for their edits.

I'm working with them to figure it out. Our software was from the one s ported to the sensation ported to the amaze.

I'm trying to get a clean port working. It boots. But no data Wi-Fi bt or anything...still switching some files around.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
BANNERS!!!!!!

Banners For Viper Amaze are posted in the 4th post => http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39343176&postcount=4

please thank anasmunir for his hard work.
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
I see... Thus, it's a kernel issue. Was asking since Viper Team was able to get Sense 4 running on HTC Glacier with all working wifi and BT yet those kernel stuck at GB...

So, we need a kernel Master to work out here . :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] kazzxtrismus:
Anyone see the post in cm 10.1..about Bt possibly fixed?.. Any help to us here?

Sig:

What do you mean I can't say that??!!.. It's the fkin Internet!
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
It is always possible... There it's many differences between sense and aosp, but you never know... If it's a missing file we could put the file in and try it.

It would seem to make sense (no pun intended) that our problem is a connection issue, and it always fails on what I believe is the final connection.
[HTC Amaze 4G] ATech:
Been a longtime since anything new on this device. Still my DD. Looks promising.
[HTC Amaze 4G] ravike14:
If anyone have this issue your phone is not sleeping its cuz you mite have untick the fastboot option in power settings..once you you tick it it'll sleep (just for the user's who's facing the same problem) :good:
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
Did you flash last update 1.6.4.1? - last version should be ok.

If you're on 1.6.4, you need wipe cache/dalvik and flash the fixes (look in OP) and reboot.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
possible bt fix

There's a possible BT fix in the CM10.1 thread! I'm testing a flashable zip I made. will post results in a few.

Sorry guys... not working...

it's attached if anyone wants to try it...
[HTC Amaze 4G] ravike14:
Lol I'm in 1.6.4.1 problem is I always tend to keep the fastboot option unticked reason :p
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
I hope that we have proper BT (ICS) drivers in the ROM (since we have HTC kernel source released). BT turns On, searches for devices, but apparently doesn't see any of them.

You've said Venom Team changed some Sense apks (Framework, Settings, etc.) I've read in some of the threads that there might be a problem with changed Settings'apk in governing properly BT workout to co-operate with drivers.

Also, Nightmare Sense | Sense 4.0 | Team Nightmare | 1.6 ROM has working BT if used AOSP settings at the installation...

Any ideas?
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
I think we need the ueventd.*.rc edits as well as the necessary init.rc edits, and I believe those have to built into the rom, as I have not been able to add them post flash... I just get a "not enough memory" error when I try to save the file...

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after adding the files my device sees other devices, it just can't pair... I get two different errors "can't communicate" and "PIN or passcode was wrong"
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Nightmare

it may be possible to use the aosp edits. and like Blastoid said above we need the edited *.rc stuff. Theres also some framework editing that m0narx did thats throwing an error and will prevent pairing until it's fixed.

It IS looking like we'll get it fixed, just not sure how soon.

Hang in there guys! I have a clean port that I don't know if they made edits. I have it booting now. but nothing works. If I can pull and replace. the files that were edited maybe it'll get us closer
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
Really appreciate your hard work man!You are giving hope to our amaze...!
[HTC Amaze 4G] KT-82166:
.rc cant be edited because it is part of the kernel.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Damn.. I've got to learn how to edit the kernel
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Banners

Wow, It looks like banner #2 is a huge success! 1342 downloads!!!!

Big thanks again to anasmunir
[HTC Amaze 4G] bjcolema:
Talk to faux123 or Sports?
[HTC Amaze 4G] KT-82166:
http://www.freeyourandroid.com/guide/extract-edit-repack-boot-img-windows this could be ued to edit rc files
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
All of the above, that means we need a Kernel Guru here to get BT working.
[HTC Amaze 4G] anasmunir:
I am glad to see that people like these banners.

I'll post more in a few days.. :)

And thanks to you too Chevy for such a great ROM.. :)

Beamed from my HTC Amaze 4G using xda premium :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] SpiritFyre:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

ok ok im here xD

*waving the magic muffin they let us pass*. Sent from a Force filled Muffin wielder.
[HTC Amaze 4G] F9zSlavik:
Don't say that lol

I do have a question maybe somebody who is knowledgeable can answer.

Why is it so difficult to get simple things working like BT, NFC, ETC?
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

Different framework...
[HTC Amaze 4G] xFalse Profit:
its been so long. ive started to lose hope.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
New OTA

I'm playing with the new 4.0.3 update. maybe I could pull some files from it and make it work.
[HTC Amaze 4G] ravike14:
and we're all waiting for the good news :highfive:
[HTC Amaze 4G] xFalse Profit:
good luck man. hope you can get it going.

heres my set up so far. (:
[HTC Amaze 4G] ravike14:
icons are from sense 5??
[HTC Amaze 4G] xFalse Profit:
icon pack called 3D Colour you can download and install off of venom hub.

theres also about 6 others of the same pack with one tone colours, blues reds greens etc.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Brooklyn8807:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

Wierd, it just goes to the same small ring lock screen. I must be doing something wrong lol
[HTC Amaze 4G] EclipzeRemix:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

Wow viper sense! :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] Brooklyn8807:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

Cool, what are all the files associated with the key board? I can take a look too. Going to be a slow day at work today lol. I was day dreaming on how I can try porting sense 5 keyboard but I got to learn all files associated with that thing. :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] _Le0.<3!:
I want to know swipe2wake can be work successful on our Amaze?
[HTC Amaze 4G] imran1000:
sdfsa

Guyzz is it necessary to flash ics firmware like we do when installing ARHD rom or should i directly install the rom ???
[HTC Amaze 4G] zezzet:
KERNEL

bricked kernel on amaze?can i have only the kernel? because the link of first page is for the sensation....
[HTC Amaze 4G] scrubsja:
Team, can we make a concerted effort to fix bluetooth on this ROM and hence WiFi tethering etc?

If it can be fixed on the Sensation, why not the Amaze? Thanks
[HTC Amaze 4G] LNKNPRKFN:
Absolutely AWESOME to see viper makes its way to the amaze... F@CKIN A
[HTC Amaze 4G] mujju85:
how to cxhange the lockscreen ring its very difficult to unlock
[HTC Amaze 4G] Brooklyn8807:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

I figured it out. Go here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=38362918

And download their most recent beta aroma installer. (Don't get the last link which says stock ring, it won't work.) Flash and follow their aroma option to uninstall and make sure to choose viperS stock when asked for what Rom.

Also, don't thank me, Thank C0dex for his aroma mod.

Also keep in mind that this ViperAmaze Rom is a port from the sensation ViperS so a lot of their vipermods in the sensation theme and apps section will work for us. But always back up your current rom just in case :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Re: [ROM] Viper Amaze 1.6.3 [ICS |Android 4.0.4 | Sense 4.1]

Keyboard files are In system/app. Just about anything that has IME in it. And in system lib.

If you want to play with some files, the HTC_IME_MOD v22 is the closest thing to a stock keyboard but doesn't have the swype function
[HTC Amaze 4G] Sirocco.ukr.lviv:
Kernel GURU where are you? we need you :angel:
[HTC Amaze 4G] Lavell11:
The banners nice and also the rom...Shout Out to Chevy for his hard work and other Devs keeping The Amaze Alive:)
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
Sorry if this asked before,can i use latest faux kernel with this ROM?

Thanks
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Thanks. Sportsstar and Ziggy did most of the work. I just fixed what I could...
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Yes. And I'm running the latest faux kernel 29
[HTC Amaze 4G] SpiritFyre:
same here

☆★☆better watch out... Better not cry, gunna sick one of our muffins on ya, no lie☆★☆
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
i flashed latest faux 29 via unsecured boot img...first my phone turned on and started optimimzing all applications and rhen it rebooted and got stucked at viper logo screen....:(

what to do:confused:
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Are you s-on or s-off?
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
Juopunutbear S-OFF

Super CID

bootloader unlocked

HBOOT - 1.93.2222

s-off surely...
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Ok. Check the md5sum.

Do a full wipe and reflash.
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
sorry as i am a total noob...dont know how to check md5sum...:crying:
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Ok. Try to redownload the Rom.

Use 4ext and wipe all partitions except sdcard.

Flash Rom.

Hope that fixes it.

Which version did you try to flash?
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
v29
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
What Rom version?
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
downloading now...

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viper amaze 1.6.4.1

as i heard that the 1.6.4 causing some pain..
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Yeah. It was a little buggy. But got that all fixed up! :)
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
:victory: hoorrraayyyy....

just reflashed ROM enabled smart flash and flashed faux without the unsecured boot.img..works like charm

thanks chevy:cowboy: ..you are the man

the previous kerenal not a bad one...i was pretty much satisfied and happy with it,now flashed faux...lets see where this one goes...:good:

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any good news about blutooth in near future...?

so far this rom is a bomb without a pin....:p
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Thanks! Make sure you calibrate your battery. You'll get some really great life out of it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration

This is the app to calibrate your battery. Install and follow its directions.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Bluetooth is being worked on. I have some friends that are trying to figure it out.

I believe strongly that we might have it before the end of the month. I am hoping at least. Cross your fingers!
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatim_rajput:
inshaALLAH.. :fingers-crossed:

fingers crossed sir...:)
[HTC Amaze 4G] SuperAfnan:
Yes inshAllah :)
[HTC Amaze 4G] hatlesssandman:
By the way "InshAllah" means God willing (with the will of God) in Arabic for those who were wondering :)
[HTC Amaze 4G] Shadow Samurai:
Nice to see some Muslim brothers on xda

Sent from my Jelly Beaned HTC Amaze!
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
Please stay close to Topic, Bro's :good:
[HTC Amaze 4G] KT-82166:
He probably is a Muslim but, some Christians speak Arabic too

sorry xda members for getting off topic.
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
System write mounting doesn't work...Any way to lowest the screen brightness?Even i set it to lowest,it is not the lowest..
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
What are you using to try to system write?

I'll check on the screen brightness...

There's an app on the play store to adjust screen brightness to lower than the Rom default.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.haxor

from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda app-developers app
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
I wanted to kill touch buttons using init.post_boot.sh file.usually i do that in every sense rom i flash.Im doing that using X-Plore,Root Browser.Now i can't paste init.post_boot.sh file to system>etc using x-plore.Error is Read only file sytem.Then i tried using Root Browser & it worked.But i can't set permissions now..i know thst there is a option to disable them always.but it doesn't work when watching a video with video player (not with default on).Lights turn on when watching a video...Anyway,thank for your help.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Venom Tweaks

Go into the Venom tweaks. there is a setting under Buttons are settings for capacitive back light.

Under Misc, there is a setting for auto back light brightness.

and under advanced is a setting for system r/rw.

Check it out! :)
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
I think it partly has to do with the superuser app used in these roms, personally I hate it... I much prefer the other options available that shoot a pop-up with each 1st time attempt from an app to use root privileges... but there is an option under the advanced section of the venom tweaks that has can set system r/w...

edit: looks like chevy beat me to it... but I will just second my initial point about the superuser app included in this rom, I think it sucks!
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
It doesn't work either..i mean system mounting in tweaks.

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It doesn't work too.Already tried Sytem mounting & auto capisitive bakclight options...Anyway thanks for your help..:good:
[HTC Amaze 4G] kusso92:
Anyone got the problem of downloaded videos not showing video but giving sound when played with media players?

I have viper 1.6.4.1 with s off.

Any suggestions? I tried redownloading it and reinstalling it but nothing has worked. I tried the standard gallery video player and mx player pro.
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
download a video player from playstore & try.What format of video you were playing?mkv?Try Dice Player..
[HTC Amaze 4G] kusso92:
Well it's mp4 im guessing since I used a youtube downloader to get them. Before I swithced to this Rom every video played perfectly on any player I've tried. I've also tried two different players. Anyone else have video playback probs om this Rom? Maybe I should just do another clean flash?

YouTube doesn't work either so it's all video playback but I still get sound and when I rotate the phone I see an image for a second and then it's gone.
[HTC Amaze 4G] daorderdillon:
Use the mx player
[HTC Amaze 4G] Fatty1212:
I notice something with the viper ROM. When I access the gallery to view pictures, the menu buttons do not work. It happens with the 1.4 to 1.6 versions for me. Please clarify... Otherwise viper ROMs are good to flash...Thanks devs...

Sent from my Nexus 7
[HTC Amaze 4G] kusso92:
That's what I use and it is actually for all video playback apps
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
it's starting to sound like a bad flash to me, try reflashing dirty, if that doesn't fix it, then do a complete backup and try using 4ext recovery and goto tools > wipe or format EXT4 > factory/reset + format system(from same menu) then re-flash
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
is this a dirty flash? or fresh start? what did you do after flash? I have no issues with any sort of video playback... also, what kernel are you using?

edit: just a note for anyone having issues that aren't posted in the "known bugs" section... start with a 100% fresh flash, and also backup SD cards and wipe those completely before restoring the files back to them... I would also highly recommend anyone not using 4ext recovery to switch immediately, I think borked recoveries are a huge factor in many of the problems people have... I don't think the recoveries were created equal or even close...
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Very well said! We need to know your basic information before we can help you! :)
[HTC Amaze 4G] anasmunir:
Venom Superuser app is always buggy, that's why I don't use it.

If anyone is facing problem with Venom Superuser app, he or she can change it and flash any superuser app available in market.

Personally I'll prefer Superuser by Koush (Developer of the famous ROM Manager). It's Free, it's open source and it works like a charm!

If anyone want to use it, follow these steps:

1. Download Superuser App by Koush.

2. Put the zip in your SD and flash it via recovery.

3. Now using any Root explorer, browse to /system/app/ and delete the file 'VenomSuperuser.apk'.

4. Restart.

Hope this helps.

Regards.

Beamed from my HTC Amaze 4G using xda premium :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
thanks for that!
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
superuser

it is kind of a pain. I had two in the rom at first.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Banners

Dude!!! You've had over 6000 banner downloads!
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Nfc is fixed!!!

Well, After flashing about 30 test builds today I have working NFC!

Viper 1.6.5 Uploaded! Op Updated!

DON'T download until I give the word that it's done uploading OK!!!??

Ok Go and get it! http://tinyw.in/pKWx

One step closer to a 100% complete rom.
[HTC Amaze 4G] anasmunir:
Great to hear that buddy. :D

Well looks like your ROM is getting popular day by day.. :D

Congrats and thanks for all your hard work you're putting in.. :good:

Beamed from my HTC Amaze 4G using xda premium :D

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OMG.. Are you serious!! :D

You are the man bro.. You are the man!! :D

A big thumbs up!

Beamed from my HTC Amaze 4G using xda premium :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Thanks!

Now you can REALLY BEAM from your amaze!!!!!
[HTC Amaze 4G] crazykas:
well then it might be a bad flash because I can play any video that I tried (some mkv,mp4) using both defalut player & dice player

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Hey are you the superman?Lol!Thank you very much for your harrrrrrrrrrrrrrd work bro!
[HTC Amaze 4G] anasmunir:
Hell yeah!! :D :D

Beamed from my HTC Amaze 4G using xda premium :D
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
I realized that TWRP recovery (Amaze recovery) sometimes causes flash errors and/or "bad" flash. It also often can't flash zip-files cooked at OUT kitchen - gives error. Tried flashing a few OUT Kitchen cooked files myself - always errors. This problem also i's well known in the HTC One S thread - that TWRP 2.3.4. and up had this errors.

I re-flashed EXT4 recovery - everything is working as should be. So, using EXT4 is recommended. To those who is still S-On - just change the settings to S-On in the recovery so it flashes properly boot.img.

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What's about your yesterday's BT and Wi-Fi flashable zip (fix) in the Cyanogen 10.1 thread (libs) ? Doesn't it help here?
[HTC Amaze 4G] kusso92:
Thanks for the help but apparently it was just a bad flash idk why but I reflashed it and it works!!!! Yayyyy and now I gotta flash the new version........ It's fixed though.
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
If you put one in the ROM I would stick with chainfire or chainsDD version, just because I don't think either of those have a 2 second wait before you can hit "accept"... not sure if you're even considering using a different su app than venomSU, but it would be a welcome change in my opinion!
[HTC Amaze 4G] Mantara:
This is Great!

The new phone smell finally wore off on my amaze after the last OTA borked the camera (which was the #1 reason I got the amaze) so rooted and installed this great ROM. Tons of options/customization and good speed and battery life with only a scant few things on the out of order list. Thanks for the hard work! I finally fixed that annoying light bleed from the buttons and combined with your ROM I am re-in love with my Amaze. Thanks Again!

Also, Is there any idea where the bluetooth issue is coming from? Give me an Idea where we are so I can narrow down where I should start looking.
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
Look through a few pages back, you'll find out where we are.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Nope. Doesn't help.

The kernel and framework were edited. So I have some people extracting the kennel and a few other files to compare with working bt ones.

By the way, you can dirty flash the new Rom!
[HTC Amaze 4G] daorderdillon:
Hey chevy I'm testing out this new android revolution Rom and the battery life is awesome can u find out why its so good and do it for the viper
[HTC Amaze 4G] uvt_novice:
Revolution ROM has one CPU disabled. So, it consumes less power at the cost of performance.

Also, you need to go through a couple of battery charging cycles until the ROM settles to see if there is additional drain.

I personally found out that Sense 4.x Roms less power hungers.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Exactly. You can tune the governor settings in the venom tweaks that will help with battery drain.

I have never been able to get that Rom to load
[HTC Amaze 4G] daorderdillon:
Lol yea its hard to load have to do a clean super wipe and it take a while to boot and its fast
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
sense 4.x roms are much less power hungary, I've never gotten anywhere close the battery life on 3.6 roms as I have on 4.x roms, even when using faux kernel on the 4.x rom I still get better life... I can go a full 16hr day w 1+hr of Navigation time and plenty of calls/texts/browsing and still have some life left when I get home... I'm lucky if I get 9hrs on a 3.6 rom... even if I underclock
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Battery life

Totally agree with you.

Anyone having bad batterylife on this rom (any version) can usually be narrowed down to one simple question...

Did you turn on bluetooth?

If you did, turn it off. make sure it's off and do a full reboot! Don't hot reboot. full reboot.
[HTC Amaze 4G] daorderdillon:
So how's fixing the Bluetooth coming along
[HTC Amaze 4G] SuperAfnan:
That's interesting. I like the sound of this.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Bluetooth

We are making progress.

NFC was definitely a step in the right direction..
[HTC Amaze 4G] blast0id:
I wish I knew more about devving... as soon as I start looking at smali my eyes start to cross... lol...
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Smaller Update zip

Someone please try this smaller update zip!

http://tinyw.in/2wwu

It's instead of redownloading the whole rom!

9 megs instead of 600!

flash it over 1.6.4.1

Thanks
[HTC Amaze 4G] krook6023:
While I personally have no inclination to do this it is not hard to do. DISCLAIMER: I am going off memory so I could be wrong, you could just add these lines to an init.d script and force cpu1 offline;

chmod 666 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
chmod 444 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
[HTC Amaze 4G] SuperAfnan:
Will do! :) ill report back in a couple of hours.

Edit: Oops I can't find 1.6.4.1 :eek: but I will download the latest and try the best sense 4 rom for our phone. :)
[HTC Amaze 4G] Mantara:
Makes a ton of sense I was turning on and off BT trying to get a LOG to check against my nand of stock and left it on. Battery took a huge hit in just a few hrs.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Great! I hate having to download an entire Rom just for a small update.
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
update to 165

ok. 8 People have downloaded the small update.

How did it go?

Does it need work?
[HTC Amaze 4G] SuperAfnan:
Doing it now....

Edit: No I'm stuck in the boot screen. Been like this for 5 mins.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Lavell11:
I flash the small update but got stuck on the htc amazing screen for awhile it wont boot but I just restore back up because it was taking awhile to start for me. I don't know about anyone else yet Chevy

Sent From...ViperAmaze
[HTC Amaze 4G] Sirocco.ukr.lviv:
Guys, make a backup before updating!!!
[HTC Amaze 4G] chevycowboyusa:
Darn

Well.... sorry...

Have to do the whole rom...

trying to see what I can do with wifi calling now
[HTC Amaze 4G] SuperAfnan:
Don't worry it's ok :good:

Do you think you could make a sensless version of sense 4? I like sense 4 but hate the bloat and low ram. (Wow was that the most contradictory question ever).