yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
Re: [ROM][STOCK][GT-S5830i] S5830IXXMB1 ODDLK1 DDMB2

Check for video recording....has it improved?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] soumik shah:
Can you please mention any difference you experienced after upgrading..?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] SKiiZ0:
there is a new one :P

well, seems there is a new MB2 firmware

EDIT: seems I can't put links to download nor even insert images (new user)... -.-'
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Berties123:
Anyone found this firmware for UK phones?

PDA XXLD3

PHONE XXLD2

CSC BTULC1

kies will not update from LD3 to LK3 anymore, anyone got LK1 firmware for odin flashing?

I'll try the firmware in the first post but I'm not sure if it'll work with different modem. Maybe leave modem firmware alone? Just do bootloader and phone?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
Ynt: [ROM][STOCK][GT-S5830i] S5830IXXMB1 ODDLK1 DDMB2

Using XXMB2 now. Only stuck once for 1 sec in 2 min video. Which is better than my original stock. And they put data/3g on off button in shutdown menu. Google books vs integrated. Too much system ram wasted so removed a lot of progs from system memory.

Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] SKiiZ0:
I've just tried this new Firmware, and I dont see anything new,

Youtube, PlayStore, Maps are updated, nothing else so interesting :/
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] eumax:
Google Books by default;

Updated stock apps;

3G/2G Data On or Off entry on shutdown menu;

New Samsung Keyboard added too, with orthographic language correction (if your language is compatible).

I'm using Italy S5830IXXMB2 S5830IITVMC1
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2237284

deodex your xxmb1 firmware, just flash the zip file from that thread!
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Sniper Killer:
1) Google Books added and updated

2) All apps are updated

3) Extened Power Menu - Data Network Mode ( Active/Deactive )

4) Some UI and framework changes

That's all.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
Any visual changes to that keyboard?

If this thing will boot , I'll root.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
No visual changes as i see. Only when you type the chars seen is semitransparent. Which i remember as opaq before.

S5830i Stock + Root + init.d + LightSpeed Intervention + Link2SD
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
I see in that you are using stock....is it the same firmware? Hows the battery life?

If this thing will boot , I'll root.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
Yes, italy xxmb2. If you dont use the background services so much it should last a day in normal usage. I use 2450 mAh battery and with 3G and wifi combined it last a day with heavy use of phone, internet, video... but without playing games.

S5830i Stock + Root + init.d + LightSpeed Intervention + Link2SD

Today is the first day of what's left of your life.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
I am a heavy 3g user...moreover where i stay the network is something i cant boast about...on normal battery i get around 6-7 hrs of usage. Good coverage in college so sometimes lasts a day......did you buy that battery locally or purchased it online? Really holds up 2450mah of power?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
From ebay. Two in one price. If i am not mistaken 12-13 $ with cargo. And compare to my old battery (10 months old) it lasts two times more with a little bit heavier usage.

S5830i Stock + Root + init.d + LightSpeed Intervention + Link2SD

Today is the first day of what's left of your life.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
Whats the name of the product?

If this thing will boot , I'll root.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
Just search for: Gold 2450 mah s5830 battery

Before you ask, yes they are compatible with S5830i.

:: Today is the first day of what's left of your life. ::
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Flamestorm:
How to flash the firmware? What should i use?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
use odin...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] shariqx:
Hello guy, I've upgraded to this firmware through Kies, but I cannot see any diffrences like you guys are stating such as data/3g in power menu or integration of GBooks.... Why :-\
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
same here..

i see no change..

no play books

no change in keyboard..

nothing new...just apps are updated..
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
Try clearing dalvik cache. Otherwise flash with odin.

:: Today is the first day of what's left of your life. ::
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
no no...i flashed it with odin.. !!
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] ChelebiTech:
MB1 or MB2 one? I have all the changes, using MB2 one.

Try wiping all inc system and dalvik cache then enter odin mode without booting normally and try flashing.

:: Today is the first day of what's left of your life. ::
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Flamestorm:
What other files should i put in Odin expect for this?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] js2892:
just put the four files : tar, pda, csc, modem in respective places in odin and start!

see here for more details: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1840645

Please remove "the best custom rom" from your signature...it's against rules to compare or give roms "best" title...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Flamestorm:
Man i'm noob, i put the files but it said FAIL with red color, i don't know how to unzip them with cygwin if someone can do this for me i'll be thankful... here it is. :/

http://www.hotfile.com/dl/203649526/6eb51cd/S5830IXXMC1_S5830IODDLK1_INU.zip.html
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
fck...that's a new firmware again...xxmc1

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i am on mb1
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Flamestorm:
Ok, i updated it but i don't see changes. :/ Same UI notif. bar...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] iamareebjamal:
One does not simply expect UI CHANGE!!!! in official update

It will just contain better integration, battery life, updates, bug fix and so small UI change not visible through naked eye(except if you are a nerd(like me) )
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Berties123:
This firmware is on the Kies system update.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sukhi.priceless:
plz any 1 give me odin to flash this rom ???????

can it be flashed through mobile odin ???

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mb1 or mc1 ?????
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
mobile odin is not supported by our device..

so no, it can't be flashed through mobile odin..!!

you will have to flash it through odin 3.07

download odin from rafael's skydrive

update through kies would be only available if the firmware is officially released for your country..!!

so better download firmware from samfirmware and flash it through odin
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Berties123:
pda - mc1

phone -mb 2

csc - mc1 (btu)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sukhi.priceless:
only pda csc nd modem files ???

wat about .pit file ???

is dis without .pit file or .pit file is necessary for odin ???

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link 4 new mc1 through odin ???
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Berties123:
You don't use PIT file for flashing. I believe it can screw up your 5830i.

Either use KIES, or if you already have a flashed phone, flash with ODIN with suitable, earlier version, then connect to KIES update to latest.

I don't have the latest MC1 firmware in firmware files, but do have LC1...once that's flashed just connect up, load up KIES and it'll flash...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] srt99:
pit file doesn't screw up your phone..it saves it if our phone is screwed..!!!

when u flash wrong zip and somehow your partitions gets corrupted, you must use pit file to repair your phone.!!

no matter how many times u flash stock fw, but phone wont boot if partitions gets corrupted..!!!

but yes, it ruins your phone only if you don't use correct .pit file !!

you only need to flash pda, csc and modem..no need to use pit file !!

you will only need pit file if your phone doesn't boot even after flashing stock firmware..

but still if you use CORRECT pit file while flashing, it wont hurt your phone !!
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sukhi.priceless:
correct PIT file means ?????
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
.pit file for this phone....comes with odin package when you download it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sukhi.priceless:
any mirrors for splitfus link ???? mediafire is blocked :(

or its fails evrytime :(
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Flamestorm:
New firmware for http://www.hotfile.com/dl/223952580/d4a7e4c/S5830IXXMD1_S5830ITMHME1_TMH.zip.html (T-Mobile) one i will try to test it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] burimek:
S5830i_XXMB1_ODDLK1_DDMB2_by_SplitFUS2

i flash it on my S5839i on it works perfectly, what is change all for me

old firmware for one days battery ist out and with this firmware my battery ist 3 days no over

ist amazing, thanks so lot...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
New firmware!

OP Updated with new firmware XXMC1 ODDLK1 DDMC1 INU (India)

Enjoy! :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] mjxmajiaxin:
THIS IS a GOOD THINK

THIS IS a GOOD THINK

[ROM][STOCK][GT-S5830i] S5830i XXMC1 ODDLK1 DDMC1

Thank you
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] -Anderson-:
Anything new on that firmware?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Envy-X:
Seems to me that there is a new firmware every hour, are they even improving anything? Or just updating gapps?

Send from my Ace i with CyanogenMod 12 Strawberry Shortcake.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Slayer321:
Agreed! Every fw are the same. I cannot find out the different except for the old ones. Instead of that they should put new touchwiz and cool stuff. :D
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
Does anyone require the XXMD1 Firmware (from UK Region)? Anyone with S5830i can flash it using Odin.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Flamestorm:
I'm using XXMD1...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Bullit Lee:
Em Using Official Firmware. I Never Flashed Mah Phone.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Slayer321:
No hard feelings...but that means You havent meet Mr. Brick yet!!

I assured you he's a pain in the ass! He'll be coming to you. Just wait and see ;)

Send from Batman's Bat- Phone
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Bullit Lee:
I Have Met !

Be4 I Had Been Using Mah Friends S5830i And Bricked Many Times Finally I Brought 1 And Started Using Wid Stock Rom Cuz Bored Of Custom Roms !! ;)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] michielvDroid:
And you just opened a thread for the custom sgs4 rom ... :eek:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2355193
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] iamareebjamal:
Which is kanged and is for s5830 instead of s5830i

Never believe in a ROM which is released without credits :eek:
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
OP Updated with the latest UK firmware

Enjoy

;)

P.S.: It doesn't matter if you are from any other part of the world. You can flash this if you have a Galaxy Ace-i (GT-S5830i)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] karikaturizma:
Can anyone make the XXMD1 firmware to deodexed?

I want to use 14 toggles and %1 battery mod.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] DamnTarget:
I have made the 14 toggles available for odexed ROMS: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=41864056#post41864056

Follow the instructions carefully and you shouldn't have any problems.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] karikaturizma:
Thank u.. But i tried this, nothing is change. I tried everything but it is not works on XXMD1, or i didnt make right. I Quess i did it correct.

Edit: Yes! Finally i did it Thank you so much. I use stock recovery to flash your 14 toggles for odexed firmwares and it works fine. I used to try CWM, it didnt work.

Thank you for your help.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] DamnTarget:
Yeah, I really need to fix that.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Bullit Lee:
What Is New In That UK (June) Firmware ? Please Can U Tell Me De Difference Between De Old One And This New UK (June) One. Please Someone Reply. :D

EDIT : I Installed This ! I Just Found 1 Changes In UK Firmware Is I Got New Icon Called Play Books ! I Dont Know What Is That Play Books For ! Storing Books ? ! And My Old Kernel Was dpi@DELL221 #3 And Now Its dpi@DELL179 #1 . So What Is Difference Between My OLD And This Kernel ?

Sent From My GT-S5830i Using Xcode IOS 7 Beta 4 .
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Bullit Lee:
Help !

Hi ! How To Get XXMB2 Firmware ? I Need Help Cause My Firmware Is Stock ( OLD ) ! Please Help Me By Giving De Latest Firmware ! :good:
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
Download the firmware you need from this link. Check Country (4th Column). Place your cursor on the country and you can see the name of the country. If you need the splitfus files, please PM me in my inbox.

Flash the downloaded file using ODIN 3.07 ONLY [Latest]

Make sure your phone is charged 100% before flashing. And as always, do this at your own risk. I'm not responsible for what happens to your device.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] rodaven:
What about if I have a GT-S5830M? Theoretically it's the same phone. Can I? I'm from South America
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
I don't think its the same.

Download the latest firmware for your region here. > GT-S5830M-CHE-S5830MWHMC1

Download & Extract the .tar.md5 file and Flash using ODIN (see above post for more details and link to ODIN thread)

Make sure your phone is charged 100% before flashing. And as always, do this at your own risk. I'm not responsible for what happens to your device.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Android-fany:
They're the same.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] rodaven:
Before I bought my actual phone I used Simplicity Rom v4 with my ex SGH-5830M, I'm just asking becuase I'm from Chile (South America) and, for example, in my actual phone I'm using stock rom from India and it works great, but if I use the Italian stock rom I lose signal. So maybe same happens here. My gf has now my ex phone and I want to flash in her phone the last firmware, but last chilean is branded :(

I'm kind lost now with development in this phone, when I was using it, simplicity v4 + rafael's kernel and supercharger script was awesome, I don't know which rom and kernel and stuff should I flash now.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] patrol31:
You can browse and read through the different roms in the dev section,read the comments. The best rom is what suits you(i.e. ui,tweaks,performance,etc.) Just read and follow the guides on how to flash a rom of your choice (usually, instructions are given on the first post).

After all, experience is the best teacher, they say. Good luck.

Sent from my GT-S5830i
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] mmmm5:
help me

im install other rom to gts5830i and now dont go to downloading and display not

Do not display screen؟

Screen not coming up؟

How do I install the ROM mode is not downloading?

Please help me thank you؟
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] rmsinaga:
S5830IXXMH1_S5830IOXXME1_XEH split

Hi there,

As I'm not familiar with this split thing, can you help to split the latest ROM S5830IXXMH1_S5830IOXXME1_XEH ?

Thank you for your kind help.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] zaki aziz:
thx mate..

mine already fully fixed bricked galaxy ace..

but... when i flash any custom roms always aborted..

even try cyanogen, aokp, jellyblast, miui and etc..
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Dr.Pepper:
Aokp?

We havent got 4.0* and higher android
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] zaki aziz:
this is what i meant.

i'm not sure from which dev. i've got this..

any suggestion guys.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] markokramar:
[Aroma] Ace-i-Sure 12.0.0 --- THE BEST CUSTOM ROM!
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] mrgadgetuk:
I Agree

I totally agree with you. I've installed the 'Lite' version. For the simple reason, 'Maps' seems to be unable to update when using Google Play. I simply install it directly from Play onto the Lite version. I also flash 201303051129-E3-boot.img and 201303051129-modules. This then allows me to use CronMod_Unofficial enabling me to use my 512 MB ext3 partition.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] haytham.kenway:
LOL... you Have Ace-i And Your're Flashing Cooper's Rom -.-
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] zaki aziz:
actually, ace-i the last..and it worked well..

the other rom can't flash..
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Dr.Pepper:
Coz they are for gt s5830, not for gt s5830i
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sahil chandel:
Could anyone tell me how to revert from custom kernel to stock kernel

I have just flash my glaxay ace gts5830i with toucheiz v9.0 with kernel rafael ....bt when i recover using cwm backup to stock rom due to this kernel my IMEI see unkown... bt when i again flash touchwiz v9.0 it comes backup so is there anyway to return to stock kernel plz help me...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] murtuzabhabhra:
My IMEI is gone too

after installing touchwiz my imei is also gone.. its blank n because of that i am getting "emergency calls only" message.. how do i fix it?? plz help me..
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
This seems like a common issue. Flash stock ROM using ODIN using the files in the OP and do not flash any custom kernel. Reboot to stock recovery (HOME+VOLUME UP+POWER BUTTON) and wipe data and cache and reboot system. If the problem still persists, flash the stock ROM again. And if there is still no IMEI, take it to your local service center to restore your IMEI, since modifying IMEI is illegal. Also, If you have an EFS backup from before, you can try restoring it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sahil chandel:
Does flashing stock rom using odin restore stock kernel back from custom kernel....
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Hitesh2626:
Yes it restores .
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sahil chandel:
does it also need bootloader file or pit file to restore stock kernel...
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Hitesh2626:
Use Pit if you have ....
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Striker ss007:
Lost imei

I have jst install rafael kernel on stock rom firmware XXMC1 but i have lost my imei bcuz of this kernel could anyone tell me how to get my previous kernel back i tried much bt haven't found proper stock rom link including bootloader,pit file ,csa ,pda & modem plz help me .....
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] shlnarang:
thanks..unbricked my phone :D
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] agustiarfalahi:
hotfile.com was shutdown

hotfile.com has been shutdown, re-upload the file please?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] dj88:
Q>There is no bootloader(!)

Why??

Flash causes bootloops..

Reflash [MENTION=3531642]feetsonfire[/MENTION] package fix..
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] da213:
Thank you. After flashing this battery life is really gone up.

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Clear instructions can be found in the following link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1840645
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Mr.Ak:
Nice :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] tripping singer:
Where is the kernel ? :v
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] budz25:
Sir im newbie in here can i ask if you can split this file because it seems that the file was not fully extracted so that i can flash it using odin this is the file from united kingdom

S5830IXXMD1_S5830IBTUMD1_BTU.zip (Original .tar.md5 by sammobile)(United Kingdom)

Well anyways thanks for those people who will help me.. ;)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] traitor123:
Read the OP before you post. There are both full as well as split versions.

S5830i_XXMD1_BTUMD1_XXMD1_by_SplitFUS2.zip (CSC, PDA & MODEM)(United Kingdom)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N4Solomon:
Had my Nexus 4 for 3 weeks now works fantastic over WiFi but last night after going to bed I woke up this morning and couldn't connect to my router which I have been connected to for the last 4 days without interruption.

It says "Disconnected" trys to connect but never obtains an ip address and just goes back to say "Disconnected"

I tried deleting the network and re-adding it also tried the guest account but it still wouldnt obtain an ip address. I have no idea what the issue is, I rebooted and still nothing. Running PA 3.10+ with Franco r102
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klvnhng:
Try resetting the router/restoring to factory conditions (can usually be done through the router control panel at its IP address).

Sent by carrier pigeon
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N4Solomon:
Perfect this worked out fine, thanks for your help :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balltazar:
Hello guys !

This is my first thread at XDA forum. I have HTC Dream and my friend was trying to flash new room. Now G1 dont wanna start, just stuck at "T-mobile G1" I dont know what he did. At power + camera i have:

DREA110 PVT 32B

HBOOT-0.95.0000

CPLD-4

RADIO-2.22.23.02

SEP 2 2008

recovery working. version 2.5.0.7

I tried a lot of things but always appeared 2028... error NOT ALLOW or instalation aborted.

Im totally newbie at Dream so please, can u help me guys ?

PS. Sorry for my english, im still learning.

Thanks.

Maciej.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
Right now you need to upgrade your SPL, there was a new guide on rooting your phone, I think its posted right under yours, download the danger spl and flash it from your recovery

The post is in the first thread of general section, follow that guide starting at the danger SPL section
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balltazar:
I flashed Radio from this thread : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2189589 but i stuck at 2.3 Step when im trying to flash G1 Spl (Hard SPL) just appear :

E: signature verification failed installation aborted.

Any ideas ? :<
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
You're using clockwork? Toggle SIG varification
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balltazar:
Ok i flashed it ^^ i forget to reebot after flashing radio2.22.23.02. But now, I have problem i flashed new Radio SPL and hbbot like this guide http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2189589 and after this i flashed this room http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1185027 and all is stuck again at T-mobile screen. What can i do now ? Can u help me guys ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
Always look at the first post in a ROM you want to flash, there it should have requirements.

You need to upgrade your radio and hboot further if you want to flash that ROM. Instructions to do so is in that rooting thread, be sure to thank him for such a nice guide!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balltazar:
RADIO 2.22.27.08 its too old, im right ? And i need to find another new one ? I just found requirements but i still cant find Download link for newest Radio and Hbbot (1.33.0013d)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9055790

Read through this, it is possible to flash from recovery but much more safe to flash through fastboot
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balltazar:
yeah ! Finally works ! Thank you very much, dude :) That was very helpful :)If you're ever in Poland I'll shout you a beer. ^^
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dustbyter:
I have a G1 that is stuck on the first screen that shows Google G1, no matter what I have tried to do, it appears that the device is bricked. I believe the story is that someone tried to root it, but they used the wrong version of the radio given there are two motherboards for this device.

From playing with buttons, I can get it into a blue LED mode is about it.

Any tips on how to fix this device?

Thanks!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
Jtag
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dustbyter:
Any recommendation on where to get the required tools for jtagging?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
Look up ezterry's thread on jtaging a dream, either Google search or search xda. Here will be links to the software and cables needed.

The software is free and when you get an idea of the cables needed search around more than just what's linked as you can find them cheaper or possible make them out of others
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dustbyter:
I had looked into this some time ago and didn't find a good schematic to make my own cable.

I own a JTAG board that I had used on other devices, not sure if this would be the same and usable on the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
Look at ezterrys thread, I believe that had all the info needed, there are also a couple other pages I've seen describing what you need, I can't remember off hand which one gave the most detail