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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arsaw:
Blame Apple. They decide what is best for consumers. It works very well for Apple. So every OEM tried to follow Apple foot steps, especially Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brettpoole:
A little dissapointed.... but hey 5#it happens!!

Well I cant say as I am surprised at this statement...

I actually half expected a little backlash after the problems faced with getting cyanogenmod to run right on the i9300.

But lets face it, as long as samsung fail to deliver what they promise, the CM team and the like, will have NO other choice but to abandon certain devices.

Dont get me wrong I for one WILL be one of the first to purchase the S4 in australia, and cant wait to see what it can really do. HOWEVER I being a massive samsung fan am quite dissapointed that I ( @this point in time ) will not be able to unleash some CM freshness on this kickass new device and open a can of whoopass on to see what new cool hardware in the s4 can do.

So to wrap up, CM Team I totally understand and there will be no love lost here and I thank you for all of your efforts to date as many of us do. And to samsung I say boo to you for not helping the community that helped get you to the top of the smartphone market!!! Show some love and give us source code!!!!!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dcunited08:
Thanks for your work on the i777/i9100 despite the opposition: https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z12iiphp5kvsur0ap04cjzuinuytzv14dkw0k
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djfoo000:
You guys do realise much of the work and bugfixes by CM are fed back to Samsung for improvement? Without the pool of highly talented developers to tinker with their product, there will be no talent to brainstorm with. Other than meaning Samsung doesn't care about the enthusiasts community, this also means Samsung doesn't care about the common user, because they are reluctant to hang on to the pool of talent they should work the most closely with for when fckups like the Brickbug occurs.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tonyp:
Quite funny that cyanogen's answer to the question about vendor and device recommendations is "Samsung or Sony" then ;) :p

Yes, it might have been a joke related to arcee's "vendor guy" comment, but still.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDdwcNU_Xyo&feature=youtu.be&t=41m52s
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thin_Bezel:
Disappointed

http://naldotech.blogspot.com/2013/03/cyanogenmod-has-confirmed-that-team.html
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NuclearEMP:
I love flashing roms but....

the Galaxy S 3 proved that the Stock rom can run pretty well incl. GPS, calls, battery and performance.

I'm pretty sure the galaxy s 4 will push this even further and there wont really be a need for performance enhancing roms.

Maybe I am slowly just kicking my crack-flash addiction

Cant wait for my S4
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PotatoEngine4:
We can still hope for the better:

https://plus.google.com/+CyanogenMod/posts/7jywLJdswki
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigblue95z:
This is so very true. I've seen multiple times (not just in this thread) that people are saying that Samsung is chasing away money/customers by not releasing code to the community devs, and that is simply an untrue statement. I know of only 1 other person out of 20+ that have Android smartphones that have interest in being rooted+ROM'd. The others are clueless about what it will do, nor do they probably care what processor is in it so long as it's fast and 'cool'. But, on the other side, we're they're biggest fans. I fluff up Samsung devices to just about everyone I know. I may be a fanboy that is biased toward them, but for Samsung, that's not a bad thing. Once us loyal, repeat customers start getting put off because we don't feel 'special' anymore, we'll go somewhere else. When/if it makes a significant impact, maybe they'll change their ways.

EDIT: This isn't to say that I'm not a HUGE fan of AOSP/CM based ROMs. Cause I am! But I also feel the same way with my car. 400hp in a fun coupe is a blast and plenty for 99.99% of people, but I'd much rather be driving my 500whp monter with no frills.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bwarner479:
They will definitely still sell millions of this device, but it would definitely help them to keep the goodwill of the hacker /developer community. I know in my case, which is probably true for most of the users on here, when anyone in my family or group of friends needs to buy a new phone or other electronic device, I'm the one they come to for a recommendation. Probably about 90% of the time they but the device I recommend, whether it be a phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc. So even though most people will not buy a phone with the purpose of rooting it or installing custom firmware, the opinions of the users here do matter, and I think some companies like Sony are beginning to realize that and are improving relations with the dev community. It definitely wouldn't be a bad move for Samsung to improve these relations and would most likely do nothing but help their sales a little bit.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
I have been a "fanboy" and defender of Nokia until they kept Symbian while others were going Android. IF Nokia went Android i would still be using Nokia products. Nokia did not make refrigerators..LOL Now I prefer Samsung because they are easy to root and no one had (or has the equivalent of a Note 2 even now. When they let me down (and the lack of CM support is not a factor for me) I will try another brand. So far they have not. I don't care about "feel" Plastic. I care about features I use. and Stock ROM development.

I have no use for ASOP/CM based ROMS except on my Nexus 7. Tried them and I prefer all the hardware to work now..not in the next few "nightlies" So they won't work on the S4. I say get over it and find another brand device Cyanogen and ASOP developers will support...

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Unfortunately the mobile device area is not somewhere open source is encouraged. Warranties are gone when someone as much as roots their device. It is their choice. It is our wallets. Samsung HTC and Sony do not sell open box devices. they sell THIER branded and imprinted devices using free open source SW. That is their choice to do so and our choice to buy from any company. I buy features and SW specific to manufacturers. No one offers the S pen except Samsung. I use it, ASOP ROMS could not make that work naively last time I looked.

My Nexus 7 is a different animal. I can run any ASOP ROM on it.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] titooo7:
I got a question.

Is Steve Kondik a.k.a Cyanogen (founder of CyanogenMod) still working for Samsung?

If so, I would like to know his toughts about the hate/love relationship of TeamHacksung with Samsung.

Enviado desde mi GT-N7100 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Entropy512:
Actually, we've tried to feed bugfixes back to Samsung for improvement, but they just sit and let things be broken for months on end. This is where a lot of our frustration comes from - we've tried as hard as we can to work WITH Samsung, and they treat their customers like crap. They absolutely refuse to take responsibility for any bug that gets discovered.

Look at the MAX17042 fuel_alerted wakelock bug - Discovered in October 2011, reported multiple times back to Samsung (and the fix was literally ONE CHARACTER, replacing an == with >= in a comparison), and it didn't get fixed until January 2013.

Compared to Sony, who have actively worked with developers here in terms of investigating bugs that are found. MANY of the issues we raised with ICS on the Xperia T were solved in Jellybean.

He's working for Samsung USA... He pretty much stays out of it. He's in a very tough position due to working for Samsung... He's stuck between us and the Koreans.

There are a number of people at Samsung USA that care and want things to change, but upper management in Korea is 100% uncooperative.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] titooo7:
Thanks for the info.

I always wondered how could be possible that TeamHacksung is always fighting to get some sources from Samsung althoguh CM founder Kondik works for them.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egendomligt:
So we all hate Exynos, fine, but what about the i9505? It's supposed to pack a Snapdragon 600. Does anyone have any idea about the CM team's hopes for that one?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mackster248:
If you are in the US and buy the US versions, you'll be absolutely fine. Qualcomm releases the sources that devs need. It's the international S3 that devs have been annoyed with because it packs the Exynos processor.

The US CM team will be all over the US S4. So don't worry.

Although I must say I'm leaning towards that HTC One. Such a nice device.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] metalrawk:
Just switch to sony. not saying this because i'm a sony fanboy or they're paying me something to write this, but because i'm typing this from a 2 year old Xperia mini which I bought for just 13K INR (240$) and it's still running jelly bean very smoothly without bugs.

Dev support is very nice (in fact, they have their own forums for 3rd party development discussions). Updates ACTUALLY bring UI changes unlike Samsung.

not to mention, they also supported their JAVA feature phone modding. I was using phone mods before android was even released.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Have you seen S2 and the original Note ICS update? They literally made ICS look like Gingerbread all over again. Absolutely incredible. Such talent and sophistication. Only at Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egendomligt:
Oh, that's a relief. We're actually getting the i9505 in Sweden as well, just as we recently got the i9305. Samsung seem to have realized that we have do have LTE networks here :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LordManhattan:
According to Telenor Norway, we (the norwegians) will get the Snapdragon version, so i'm assuming it'll be the same for most european countries.

The HTC One is a damn fine device, and it looks like i'm going to get it. It has a Snapdragon 600 and what not, but it's S-ON, and HTC is apparently the worst company in the mobile business when it comes to developer support (after Apple, i guess), but it looks like the One X and other HTC models are doing fine, but i won't order the One until i see some movement in the dev section.

I also thought about getting the Xperia Z. It looks nice, it has nice specs, but i can't get past that damn screen.

"But what about the S3s?" I have the Galaxy Note, and i know how Samsung is, so It's currently not on my list.

"Buy a Nexus!". I would if they weren't so damn ugly. They are attractive on the inside, but ugly on the outside. I want an intelligent supermodel (like the One). I guess that's why i'm struggling! I want the perfect device, but it doesn't exist. :p
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ken2802:
pretty much, germany gets snappy to, not that i mind.

what i dont get is how so many people are mouning about the lack of exynos5 with out even having seen it in a single benchmark.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnminator:
the same-thing happened with every other phone in xda except nexus devices lol. Us geek :cool: always say we wont buy it but then we pull out mom and dads credit card and buy it. lol hey i do it every time
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hellscythe:
oh, what is the issue with project butter on exynos devices? things just aren't as smooth as they should be?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Namidairo:
Triple buffering is le broken on Exynos, IIRC.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hellscythe:
so, it results in screen tearing? :S
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OrrPenn18:
Yes. And lags and what-not.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Becoming:
Ok, but see you find a simple issue and fix it on YOUR phone and you're done. They have a simple issue and have to plan (and pay many people of non trivial salary) to roll out updates to millions of products on dozens of global networks and you wonder why it's not a big deal?

If they're already working on fixes and testing it makes complete practical sense to wait and roll that into another update that's already in the works. That's just reality and doesn't automatically assume incompetence on their part.

Sony, or practically ANY other Android manufacturer can theoretically be more involved in development partly because they don't sell anywhere near the amount of phones that Samsung does. Just supporting the Galaxy line alone is probably financially and logistically more complicated and expensive than Sony's entire Android portfolio combined.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Yeap it takes more than 1 year to change something so trivial.

I guess a major bug would take them 1000 years.

No worries, I'm sure Samsung GALAXY S 3000 would solve it. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Becoming:
Not being familiar with that particular bug, I have no idea what actual impact it had (or if it was universal), so I'm not saying that it's "ok". My point was that most people are self centered and don't ever seem to think about how these things really work, they just expect results.

How many of the millions of people who owned the phone do you think were affected by this bug, and how badly do you believe it impacted their experience? I mean it sounds dumb, but even in a company with say only 500 employees just planning an IT meeting to discuss POSSIBLE changes to a website product can take quite a while. Then planning, testing, and etc... I don't even want to think about the nightmare of global rollouts on millions of flagship products in like 90 countries (with hardware variations and carrier specific differences).

In the end, this is still not an excuse, but reality is not as black and white as so many people would like it to be when they go pointing fingers.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Superbrick fiasco. If you factory-reset an ICS I9100 or N7000, you are at risk of permanently bricking your device, that applies to non-rooted and rooted devices so it affects the 40 million owners. I think it's a significant bug. Thank god they took less than one year to fix it and no that's not a compliment.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xd.bx:
I spent hours reverse-engineering HTC and Samsung proprietary stuff to get CM to actually work as it should. Just because neither companies would bother publishing the relevant parts, or because they break the official AOSP (HTC's smile detection, for instance). So don't blame developers if they give up and switch to more friendly OEMs.

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Wait, wat. Samsung hired Cyanogen. The guy who created CyanogenMod, you know. I think they had a purpose in mind, at the time. And if they lost their way, maybe we should move on as well. But so far, there is nothing that says CM will not work on the SGS4.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -A-P-M-:
What about I9503 - SGS4 with Snapdragon 600 CPU? Due to more open CPU, this one should be easier to develop right? For same reason, US SGS3 get CM sooner than international SGS3. Do you think I9503 will get CM support?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Yeap with more hope than the Exynos counterpart.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dcunited08:
Probably pretty decent support, notice the US versions have stable releases. If you are on the fence, buy something already supported.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myfluxi:
TeamHacksungs/CMs decision is the only way to go. If I were them, I'd cut support for each and every Samsung device immediately.

And I'm saying this as a fan of the Samsung hardware. There is still no match for the S2 regarding size/weight/performance as of now. And I guess the S4 will be the best device in its category as well (the Z's display is not that good even compared to the S3, let alone htc's new devices).

Finally let the user decide what's more important to him, CM awesomeness or Sammys incredible uglyness. Don't be forced to add a #blamesamsung hashtag to every second posting.

On the other hand, I do not understand the praises for Sony. The company that root-kitted our PCs and sued Playstation hackers out of development and almost to bankruptcy.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goku80:
well they did get what they deserved a few years ago though didn't they...plus Playstation section different to there mobile counterpart...so yeah for developer support sony is the great at the moment..

as to HTC screen quality not up to the standard of S4 now that is debatable
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myfluxi:
They only got what they deserved from some nerds who understand what a rootkit is. They didn't get the appropriate fire for the geohot case, though.

Sony is every bit as evil as Samsung. The fact that you focus on good developer support for mobile devices does not make it any better (it's just practical and more comfortable for your conscience).
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goku80:
at the end of the day everyone is in it for the money mate...no other way about it...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Entropy512:
They're working as hard as they can to make up for the sins of the past. I think that Kaz Hirai has, unlike his predecessors, figured out that treating your customers like **** is bad for business.

I had serious concerns that the Sony Mobile guys would get shat on by the mothership as a result of all of the restructuring and reorganization at Sony, reducing their openness - but it seems like the opposite is happening. The Sony Mobile guys are getting MORE freedom to do what is right, not less.

For a good part of 2012 I had an inherent distrust of Sony, but it was impossible to ignore their constant positive contributions to AOSP and to the opensource community, at the same time Samsung was ****ting on the opensource community right and left.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myfluxi:
Don't look back in anger, guys. Look what you, Daniel, Guillaume et al achieved. You got lots of love from the community and it will only get better from here :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Closed Source Project:
Go boost your post count elsewhere.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nushoin:
Since Samsung is now more or less the only manufacturer who produces phones with removable battery and SD card support, I will be forced to either give up on removable batteries and SD card or give up on CM.

Damn.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phantomofheat:
Once Samsung releases the source that the cousin roms will have all the features if you have the original apks.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garwynn:
To Entropy and the rest of the guys at Team Hacksung...

Having working with Entropy during the past year on the eMMC bug I can completely understand your position. That doesn't even mention the issues with the RIL that I've had read about.

Sony has mentioned including CDMA in the future but I haven't seen it come to fruition yet. Odd in a country that widely uses WCDMA - but I am hoping should the Softbank deal for Sprint go through that it may quickly change that. Until that time I might as well stick with the best alternative and for me on Sprint that seems to remain Samsung. It's something that I have finally become more familiar with thanks to working on kernel development for the Epic 4G Touch and Galaxy Note 2 for Sprint. Now I'm looking to take the next step in my self-education.

While I won't burn an upgrade to buy a device for GS4 CM development due to owning a GN2 I have made a decision to make CM builds for the Sprint variant (SPH-L720) as it furthers my goals to go beyond kernels and into a new challenge and new lessons. I wish you the best on your current endeavours and hope you won't mind if I poke for advice once in a while.... like a PM I sent to Andrei and Entropy yesterday after stumping Chainfire.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theaccomplice88:
I always use Samsung based ROMs when I can, just because everything works. I don't need AOSP, I don't need CM, I don't need AOKP. All I need is a themed ROM close to stock, but without any Touchwiz. I love Samsung's special features, like smart stay, and I can't get those on other ROMs. I stick with Samsung for removable batteries, great hardware and software, and expandable storage.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Wow I have never seen such fanboys on both ends lol. In the end it is what works for each of you. Just keep a few things in mind. 1. This is a development forum. That is all that matters to most here. This is what XDA is all about. We are not a rom forum nor a make my phone cool forum. Some seem to have lost site of that. 2. If Samsung decides they wanted to be a real pain there would be no custom roms based off of stock roms. They could easily put a stop to all of them and void every warranty for devices running them.

So use what works for you. If you like TW cool, if you like AOSP cool. Either way it is a personal call and no need to justify it to each other. While I agree that Samsung is biting the hands that made them who they are, but that is not surprising. They are a typical company. They care nothing for the little guy and only care for money.

So while i am a great fan of debates lets keep it civil.

Wayne Tech S-III
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bbc581:
Ubuntu Phone/Touch

I would not have even noticed this thread if I hadn't been searching Google for any indications of Ubuntu Touch development for my new AT&T S4. I found a post fearing that Ubuntu Touch support may not come to the S4 due to the lack of CM 10.1 support, (that sited this thread,) but this is clearly not the case. I have already tested the jflteatt build. Back to the grind I guess... I will likely find something adventually.

I am more concerned about kernel module/Touchwiz integration of the IR blaster being opened up than any of this drama. My opinion: AOSP can and will likely find a way around this crap adventually. What does everyone else think?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] adrianchao:
How do i get the mutlwindow view on my stock deodexed ROM 4.1.2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Addiso:
There isn't on stock, flash a rom with multiwindow.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] steve97ta:
Oh no!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] adrianchao:
any recommends for roms
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] barrackOBAMA:
Go to Android development and read through the threads.

There are only a couple with multi window.

I suggest you start with synergy

You always hear good things about esch's ROM.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tomm1079:
i noticed most of the ones with this have it in the title. its easy to find.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] KennyG123:
Please read forum rules before posting

Questions and help issues go in Q&A

Thread moved

Thank you for your cooperation

Friendly Neighborhood Moderator

A search would have told you Samsung did not release it on stock 4.1.2.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] adrianchao:
Thank you

I'm associated 4.1.2 with multiview sorry.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddurandSGS3:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2187703
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ChaosTime86:
Re: MultiViews pulldowns and other morphs

Multi window theme's in different colors. Purple, Yellow, Green, Orange, Red, and Blue.

Downloads https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3zuv1kujcq7rz72/FGe5sGd4b9

Flame Lockscreen Clocks For Stock Ripple Lockscreens. Also comes in different colors. Red, Blue, Green, Orange, Purple, and Yellow.

Download here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eab2pmjj5q8jvb2/RCTqY0EUEr

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] calebsb:
mine :p

pacman wifi, resident evil status bars, anonymous mms notification and hippie pulldown, car pulldown, light saber scrubbers, atom scrubbers, south park pull down bars