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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rakeshishere:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

I wish you good luck. Come back after a year and tell me how much you love CM rom on your SGS4
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] howtomen:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

The qualcomm version will have soo much cm lovee lol

trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Fact is TW is getting more polished with every release, and I'm an old cm/aosp fan, so I don't say that lightly.

Now it might not be that pretty, but functionality wise it wipes the floor with cm, the only sensible way to run cm is get a pure android device.

A year ago I would have been concerned if the cm team walked away,, but not now, it won't affect wether I buy Samsung or not, fair dues to them, and massive appreciation to all their hard work, but for me, these are the pure facts, as an end user.

A reluctant confession from someone who has begrudgingly come to like TW and doesn't want to play 3 games whilst sxting the girlfriend and editing a spreadsheet all at the same time (moar ramz plz ;) )
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fix-this!:
Really? Maybe ill just get the htc one then. Maybe wait for the nexus 5.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkyblue04:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Any manufacturer that refuses to release proper drivers and source can get stuffed IMO.

I'm still on the fence. I want CM and decent battery life. Both Nexus 4 and Xperia Z have crap battery life. :(
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fix-this!:
Im wondering if this really just doesn't have to do with tizen coming and sammy distancing themselves from android.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkyblue04:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Huh? Nothing to do with it. Please show some proof to the so called rumours that Samsung will dump Android.

They have not provided drivers and source for ages, so nothing for the S4 will be nothing new and provides do evidence they will abandon Android.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Entropy512:
Don't forget espenfjo - he's been as critical as anyone else for 4210 and 4412 devices... But he's done with Samsung too.

This is of course for the Exynos variant. The Snapdragon variant(s) will likely receive quite a bit of attention from various CM maintainers including cyanogen himself.

Did you notice how they pretty much went out of their way to NOT mention Google or Android during the entire launch event? I think there was a brief reference to 4.2.2 - but overall, they are trying as hard as they can to break their association with Android.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkyblue04:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Huh? Where do Google advertise Android in the Play Store? HTC?

Try some facts instead of spreading FUD

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...rthrow-of-google-or-an-imminent-android-fork/
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Closed Source Project:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Dude shut it. If you want to hear shotty attitudes towards developers try HTC. They suck! This device will be great in development because of how popular it will be.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkyblue04:
Why should he shut it? Samsung are dogs for not providing the proper GPL source and drivers that Dev's need.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccline84:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

I'm tempted by the HTC One, but might consider waiting for the new Nexus for my upgrade. As for the CM team not supporting the Exynos version... That sucks, but I'm getting an S4 for free so I might just keep that as my only ever non rooted android device. Its going to be hard though...

And much respect to the CM team, you make my phone an amazing piece of technology. To all the devs here really, I dont know what I'd do without a little flashing goodness. These phones would be plain boring without ROMs.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boodies:
at this point there's absolutely no reason to mod our roms. samsung offers much more and we can easily install features we need/want.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mg2195:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Even without teamhacksung I'm 99.9% sure there will be cm and aosp...of course its gonna have bugs...and it will probably take longer to fix them...but eventually this phone will get a fairly stable cm/aosp Rom.

HTC is no better then Samsung with releasing source...actually imho HTC is worse...they actually put hidden codes in the kernel to prevent use on aosp roms...it took months for the devs to figure out how to get in-call Mic working on the HTC vivid because HTC decided to add security codes to prevent non-sense Roms...who's to say they won't do that with the ONE? -just food for thought...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
CM great for Nexus....Not needed anymore for Samsung. Too many hardware drivers won't work. Always something not working on CM ROMs.

Custom Stock ROMS are the way to go outside of Nexus. where CM is still viable.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rl421403:
Alot of ppl care. CM is just not a rom for a any phone but CM is a base for hundreds of roms, if not thousand. And you will imagine if CM do not develop for S4 then Samsung will loose lots of customers.

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They can't really abandon Android right now when lots of good devices exists as Samsung replacement. It's not like only Samsung have best looking or most powerful devices. If Samsung abandon Android, HTC, Sony and Motorola will split their user base.

But yeh, I also feel they will be trying to put a lot of focus on Tizen. May be release a couple of devices per year.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I have never cared for CM anyways, if i did i would have chosen a nexus. Best CM sources and development. But i realize that CM is popular and ppl get frustrated with the lack of sources on samsung phones.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CRXed:
The Qualcomm version will not be sold ONLY in the US.

For example, the Netherlands and Belgium will get the Quallcomm version too.

Probably other markets too.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mittaa:
All EU countries supporting LTE (4G) including Nordic countries and Germany will get Qualcomm version. Search for i9505 (SnapDragon) a lot online shop already open for pre-orders :good:

I for sure will go for i9505. Better chance that it will be supported by dev's because Qualcomm is more open towards development (I think) ...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hell_storm2004:
How much is the pay to be a dev?? :D :laugh:

BTW, what made him quit??
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reNeglect:
They don't really get paid... They do it on their spare time, hours of their weekends and spare time gone. They get donations but thats not something guaranteed.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kkc1983:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Samsung made them quite.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rl421403:
To understand whole story, read from here.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/cdPnNjLAb4F

It's a nice read.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speed_bot:
not to mention their crap vendor blobs which refuse to work with aosp
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _delice_doluca_:
I sincerely hope one day all the devs gather together and promise not to touch any Samsung device until the fullfill their promises so we -users- can finally rebel. Sometimes we have to be really angry to believe starting to change things. I have seen countless threads on any Galaxy device forums to get people together to make Samsung release the source codes. S4 is the last chance, because they started to collect what the invested. S2 will not have the Android 5.0 most likely and the S3 will have it hopefully at the end of the year -with lots of misfunctioning and security-holed things probably-...

So no matter how much I appreciate the work the devs do for our devices (mine is a Note 2) and run CM 10.1, I believe this getting-better-progress is also giving people hope so they do NOT complain enough and we all still are giving our money to a liar company..

It's like a frog story; if you put a frog in a boiling water it jumps away and saves itself. If you put it in a cold water and slowly heat it up, it stays there without even thinking of running away until it dies. This is how Samsung is fooling their customers. They offer many funcitons -either fully or partially working-, leaking ROMs, making promises to never fullfill, making screens with popping colors but with short life (burn-in). But no real problem-free and secure experience with smoothness. Just some wonderland vision for the eyes who wants to see many colors.. And there is no guarentee of getting the updates properly.. But who cares, they choose their prices carefully and they know very well if a customer can pay it then can pay again after a year..

It is all like a bad Edward-Bella story.

Samsung: I sparkle, and everything I have is designed to atract you (not to be usefull, just atract)

Customer; I still love you (so cool to think)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0sts:
it's a shame though that lots of CM devs for samsung are halting development. I would have bought the Snapdragon S4 over the HTC One any day.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atulalvenkar:
Highly doubtfull. Till date only Team hacksung has been able to bring-up AOSP ROM's on Samsung devices. Yes there are lots of AOSP ROM's for Samsung, but all of them

wait for team hacksung for CM bring-up and use their changes to build further. Even AOKP and PA uses CM/Team Hacksungs device tree's.

It requires experience and lot of work. I hope someone comes up, but since no new dev has come up for S2 or S3 and existing ones are burned out I doubt it.

HTC did not promise anything. Samsung did, on various occassions and broke the promises. Last promise was to release fully working source for Exynos 4 which was given

as BBQ event by Samsung's engineers themselves.Samsung had set target of 21st Dec 2012 for initial relase of sources. Nothing has materialized till date.

Samsung screwed up lot of devices due to superbrick bug and took ages to fix it. They endangered previously safe devices like I9100 with a update even after knowing about this

bug for 3-4 months.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
I will never forgive them for the superbrick fiasco.

IT TOOK 6 GODDAMN MONTHS FOR SAMSUNG TO FIX THAT.

Who knows in the tens of thousands how many devices have been bricked yet.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoot1:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

These devs working on Samsung devices not only port AOSP but also help us out in times of need.. Like the SDS problem in S3..entropy was the one who at least tried to understand what may have been going wrong.. Though we still don't have a clear idea..

My point is No Team Hacksung = No CM also = No technical inputs if ever a problem arises
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
No problem. The loss of CM is not that big a deal. Just buy a Nexus. No one of forcing anyone to by a Samsung S IV, The whining about the loss of CM is silly. There are plenty of other choices out there who will make those phones vanilla devices (albeit with some hardware not working)

Maybe Team Hacksung will singularly save HTC!!!!!!!!!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Tell that to your new shiny Galaxy S 4 1 year later.

I promise you, you won't be saying the same thing as what you are saying now.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speed_bot:
even though teamhacksung members arent ready to work on the device...that doesnt mean all others will sit quietly other developers too will chip in for sure..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
For sure they would. But the real question is will there ever a be fully working AOSP/CM/PA-based ROM?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seanpr123:
So just to confirm, people are suspecting the US Snapdragon variants will receive the support to continue development?

I think I saw there will be two of those variants right, the GT-I9505 (International) and SGH-I337 (AT&T). Would they both share the same dev forum or will one version be favored?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
They might receive support but in the case of GALAXY S3, the camera was never working properly. So it's not dependent on chipset support but Snapdragon versions will definitely have a higher chance of development.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bonsai112:
what other developers do you mean? People that used cm kernels to make there own Roms(SuperNexus, AOKP, PA...)??? I don't think so!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Precisely. AOSP is an important part of Android. There would be no TouchWiz UX without AOSP.

AOSP Support will greatly enhance the development of the Galaxy S4.

If Samsung cannot provide that, then the stunt they did 2 years ago providing brand new S2's to Team Cyanogen was very hypocritical of them.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gchindi:
oh my god....no CM development for S4??

god, pls give me some strength to bear this loss...how can I live without CM?

it is so important for my life..its like oxygen and water to me..!!

Sun has permanently set in everyone's life now..!

what would everyone do in their spare time without being able to flash CM build nightlies and updates almost everyday..they cant sleep or eat or talk to anyone..all would go into depression or probably into coma..!

Above is how people are acting and behaving for no CM support...come on people..get a life..no CM is not the end of the world..if CM goes someone/something else will come...evolution theory...! (Need is the mother of invention!)

moreover, with no disrespect to CM, some apps could never work on CM due to unresolved bugs..(I have great respect towards CM team and their talent, dont doubt that..) so, they are stopping the support for good...they will have more time for themselves now, so you guys also should now learn to spend more time on something good instead flashing CM/AOSP roms on a daily basis to resolve one bug and get a new bug...

CM is actually doing all of us a favour by not supporting it...we all have more time do something better in life...

I would request you all (bashers) to think on the above before responding...TIA.:cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eep2378:
Some one will pick it up(its too big a device not to). Codeworkx, Entropy512, etc have expressed their displeasure with Samsung and their inability to properly release and document Exynos sources. This goes back to the SGS2. Take a look at the CM10 thread in the SGS2 and SGS3 forums and you'll know why.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mittaa:
True, but i9505 does not use Exynos ... so hopefully i9505 with SnapDragon will be supported :D

Personally I prefer i9505 (SnapDragon) over i9500 (Exynos) for many reasons.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Slim is built from source, sure it takes the odd cherry from cm source, but so what?

The blunt, slightly hurtful truth is that a lot of end users only use cm because it's "cool man"........personally I have always found cm threads to be full of arrogant, bad tempered people more interested in strutting egos and knowledge rather than helping people learn, which to my mind is contra spirit of XDA, and I know for a fact that those in charge of that side of things in XDA agree with me on that point.

So next time all you people want a moan about it, ask yourselves the true reason you want cm? To be cool?.......or are you really genuinely interested in the development.......or maybe you just have a surplus of hormones that you decide to dump here on XDA rather than getting off your butts and getting some exercise
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] currway:
Qualcomm - Majority ?

Are you one of those people who think America is bigger than the rest of the world ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Actually it's true. Since many countries already established LTE, the majority of the versions will be Snapdragon-based.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _Variable:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

If i remember correctly, big to small

Russia

China

USA

Sent from the unknown abyss

_______________

She has said it, And you said it again.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zorachus:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

I am a ROM noob, I have flash ROMs for years, but don't know any development.

But isn't it true that CM is the backbone for almost every AOSP ROM out there ? Without CM there'd be way less original development ? AOKP, and PA, etc. all have and use some CM code that's crucial to each ROM ?

If CM doesn't support the S4, does that mean Android 5.0 KLP will take forever to come in AOSP ROM form to the S4 ? Like maybe never get a good quality and stable 5.0 KLP ROM ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Marvos:
So the CM team is retiring for the time being? They will not develop anything at all for a while?

Will getting an S4 with the Qualcomm processor still enable us to get some custom roms?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bonsai112:
exactly this
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Correct. You will be disappointed in the development of Galaxy S 4 phones.

At one point, you will rage at Samsung for this hypocrisy.

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They are not retiring. They just don't want to develop for companies that don't give a **** about them.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Just buy a Sony or any other phone they support if you want cm.....it really is that simple
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hell_storm2004:
I am not exactly looking for a pay. After i get the S4. My S1, becomes my learning device. Started off learning android development long ago, never really got time to finish it.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Marvos:
Those phones have Qualcomm processors. Sorry if I don't know this, but does "developing a rom for sony xperia Z" (for example) mean "developing a rom for a Qualcomm processor"? What I'm saying is, will any other half competent dev port latest CMs to the Qualcomm variant of the S4?

What is the gap between the Xperia Z and the Qualcomm version of S4?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eep2378:
True, but these two posts don't look promising(and give explanation as to why the S4 might not be as popular with the GOOD devs): http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39255132&postcount=27

And: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39211091&postcount=11
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
Who here keeps a phone for a year? Not many. Many go through devices every six months. The loss of CM is no big deal. Plenty of people actually LIKE Samsung and do not want non working hardware or to flash months of "nighties: waiting for something to work so they can have a "vanilla phone"
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hell_storm2004:
Me! I still have my S1!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
WOW. IGNORANCE AT ITS BEST.

There are people who have 2 year contracts you know. :eek::silly:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] southernknight:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

www.androidcentral.com/cm-developers-passing-samsung-galaxy-s4-should-you

Bad luck for the s4 users i guess..

I am the son of a potato
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoot1:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Mate don't get exited.. We all are here because we are or have used Samsung product.. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.. That should not come as a personal affront to you.. Something is clearly obvious that if we want AOSP we should buy a Nexus.. No one is that naive to not understand that... There is no need to start a flame war..

But having options is always better than having to run the same thing again day and night..

And the bugs you are talking about is due to Sammy's inability to share the sources.. These bugs are not inherent to the AOSP which Samsung has perfected in TW
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ophois:
I was going to write a big spiel about how it's just a little irritating that the only suggestion is for people to "Buy a sony!" or "Get a nexus!" as if they're available on any carrier but that's pointless because the carriers they aren't on are CDMA and everyone knows that most 'enthusiasts' have a raging hate-on for CDMA because it's not "open source" enough.

Oh well. Guess I'll end up going to the One or something since the Nexus 4 has ****-all for storage and I don't intend on going to LG only to find that my phone has been made obsolete by them releasing a "pro" version with a slight spec bump just after buying a new device from them.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ikjadoon:
Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Thanks! I think this is entropy, right? Great read...goodbye Samsung after this SGS3 poops out. Sony's looking great these days: freaking waterproof phones, a few great devices without 5" screens, and solid developer rapport.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rl421403:
After reading lots of things I am also little positive about xperia. Although I do not like current xperia series performance but sony has shown some great efforts.

I also like HTC One but I am little paranoid from their past. And the lack of expandable storage and replaceable battery.

If we look in the market, there are not many choices left.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hell_storm2004:
I dont wanna go down the HTC path for now. Does Xperia or HTC or maybe even LG, have anything that comes close to the S4? Even the S3 smoked most of the competition, and now S4 is taking it further!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
GSMArena has reported the news.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/cyanogenmod-wont-develop-for-the-galaxy-s4/

The outrage in the comments section will sure wake Samsung up.

Oh wait, they won't because they love to break promises.

My job here is done. I have informed everyone who wants a thriving development community to look elsewhere.

Otherwise it's a great average joe device who doesn't care about updates. Peace out. :D
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ikjadoon:
Yeah, I hope Sony's response to the S4 is stronger, maybe even a few midrange upgrades? I hate that <5" means midrange, but I'll take that if I have to. Xperia phones: there isn't one that has great specs (i.e. 2GB of RAM), <5", and waterproof...YET. :D

I don't like HTC because of all that S-ON/S-OFF junk (http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...on-htc-android-phones-with-unrevoked-forever/). No one else does that. Why does HTC feel so proud about that? And I recently read a not-so-positive review of Sense 5.0 (http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-sense-5-app-drawer-making-simple-complicated). Paranoid about the past: YES.

I don't use any custom ROMs (stock rooted), but it rubs me the wrong way when a companies makes a commitment (like GPL compliance) and then ignores it. Sometimes ignoring standards compliance doesn't matter, but not here...Some Android news site needs to do a developer rapport review for each of the big OEMs because every Android user ever has anecdotal "evidence"....

GPL compliance

Skin overlay (TouchWiz, Sense, etc.) functionality: featuritis vs "that's useful"

Chance of Android OS updates

Timely updates vs. forever-long updates
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doodads:
lol at these articles not doing a good enough explaining that all this hoopla is referring to the exynos version. They all mention it in passing, and their headlines are all stupid.

Of course qualcomm version will still get tons of support.