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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
There are a lot of hardware driver oriented Drivers that may not work as Samsung includes more and more hardware related features.. Apparently Samsung does not release driver code.

All these feature unusable for the sake of a vanilla ROM. I don't get it. I tried CM ROMS and this didn't work and that didn't work, all to get rids of a launcher and useless Samsung apps I could delete in Root Explorer?

Why not just delete all Samsung Apps and try different launchers. Personally I don;t find my stock Nexus launcher all that My Note 2 and Nexus are visually carbon copies of Nova down to the widgets, The brands could be the same.

The only development issue I see is with ASOP/AKOP development and that is a very small community within a larger community of developers who hack TW well enough to have a good following across platforms.

Some people are flashaholics and love flashing nightlies, I flash one ROM and live with it for weeks and sometimes skip updates if the change log does not apply to my needs. I would not worry about development as long as I don;t have to dig into ADB and Hemingdal and ODIN are around.

Is there an easier device to root? I don't know.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
A bonus is that there are many popular high end devices this year with Qualcomm architectures, so plenty of info from other device devs should be available.

INCLUDING, the oh so important Nexus device, the very popular Nexus 4.

Between that and the Samsung S4 popularity factor, I expect there should be plenty of ROMs coming for the Qualcomm S4.

But Exynos should do fine too, for no other reason than popularity.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XpLoDWilD:
Nobody at team hacksung (the team behind galaxy s2, note, s3, note2, gtabs... official CM ports) plans to buy it, neither develop for it. There are two variants which will be a pain to maintain, the bugs we have on the s3 will probably be there on s4 too (camera), and we all know Samsung ability to release sources while staying in line with mainline. Yes qualcomm release sources, but exynos sources we had were far from actual galaxy products. I'm pretty sure the same will happen for this one.

That's a uniform "no" from us (hacksung).

EDIT: Don't get me wrong. There has been a huge flood of messages around the web about the support of CM and the SGS4. What I wrote above is JUST from my/hacksung opinion. CyanogenMod is a big organization with hundreds of contributors around the world. Even if me/codeworkx/entropy/... won't develop for it, other people can go ahead and do it.

It's not the CyanogenMod project that decided that 'no' I expressed

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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
So no CM for S4. Ouch. I really suggest those looking for vibrant development community to look at other manufacturers like Sony.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djbenny1:
wow, didnt realise the gs3 situation was this bad
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
Why you need AOSP when Samsung updated is bether then any other and haw great suport??Look Htc one x its 4.1.1 and realeased before SGS3.Htc one 4.1.2 and SGS4 4.2.2.If you need Aosp you haw nexus and poor look
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
You're naïve.

Samsung releases updates faster than AOSP? HAHAHHAHAAA ROFL.

AOSP = Pure Android = Google = In Charge of Android
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goku80:
Some of the posts here are quite funny to read. Had a galaxy s2 and yes it was the best phone I ever had but I remember the crap that the team had to put up with. I don't blame them for not going for the s4.

As for some of the posts saying that Sammy provides better updates than the actual aosp you made me spit my tea out from laughing.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ausboy 2011:
Meh not bothered ill stick to custom tw roms like i always have
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
Reed (HTC) or other Android phones.After Nexus Sgs always 1 update.Aosp like Aosp is poor.SGS 4 Camera blows Aosp Camera,why you need Aosp when you haw suport from Samsung.And you haw beast like Sgs4.

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Samsung give SGS2 t CM team for devolpment.And you are saying that is nhot help from Samsung???You know that Samsung update its best (after nexus) device.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
They update fast because their update is also crap.

Its poor in quality and buggy at most

Free SGS2 to CM team was a publicity stunt.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
I dhont think so.Buy Nexus 4 and you will see crap.

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Lets talk for TW devolpment:(!Omega,Alliance,Jkay,Dragon.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Entropy512:
They publicized their donation of three devices to the CM team VERY heavily.

They promised they were "working hard" on Superbrick, and threw a grenade in our faces with XWLPM a month later with no warning.

They promised to release updated platform reference source for Exynos4 - and regurgitated the same almost-a-year-out-of-date crap (it's now on the order of 1 year 3 months outdated) that was an issue in the first place. Their BABBQ promise was clearly just a stunt to sell more Note2 units.

They lie on a regular basis... They say they care about the community to sell more devices, but their actions are the exact opposite of their words.

Yup. The only manufacturer who has donated FEWER devices to CM maintainers than Samsung is HTC and maybe Motorola.

Jerpelea has more Sony devices than he has the time to support. (For various reasons, Sony asks that these donations don't get publicized too much). Arcee has received every LG device marketed in Europe to my knowledge (again, that's kept semi-quiet, partly because manufacturers don't want users to go out and buy a device then get disappointed if the CM bringup falters for whatever reason.)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
Do people really think This forum or website will determine Samsung's financial fate when releasing new devices?

Out of everyone I know who has a Samsung phone (and other brands) I am the only one who even has it rooted! My wife only has her SGS 2 rooted because I did it. Otherwise most users by a huge margin could not care less about "development". They love their devices stock and buy them in the millions. With or without ASOP AKOP CM or unlocked boot loaders. The devices are getting so good, even Stock ROM developers have a hard time selling their wares. But there will as always be decent stock ROM developers.

A few thousand phones are represented here against tens of millions sold. Samsung doesn't care whether CM is developed or not. They will sell millions. They have all but buried HTC and Sony.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Codrea:
yiha :laugh: nice say buddy!!

I hope samsung go to bankrupt this year :D

samsung go fak yourself
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I don't understand why people get so emotional about a phone? Yes, there are some issues with Samsung and AOSP. Everyone knows that. So, some people are not going to develop because of this reason. Perfectly valid logic. If you are not satisfied with Samsung, go get some other phone. Nobody (I literally mean nobody) forced you to buy Samsung. And no court can hold Samsung responsible for not releasing certain proprietary information. There are not doing anything illegal here.

If you want AOSP, go get a nexus or a Sony. What I don't understand is you acting like a kid in the forums. My 6-yr old niece also doesn't act like that.

To make it clear to you, Samsung is not going to be bankrupt anytime soon.

Google is worried about Samsung's success. LG tried to get some attention during GS4 launch. Nokia releasing parody of Jeremy Maxwell commercial. HTC's CMO is literally is trolling. Apple's Phill Schiller is shouting in every forum. And Apple releases a big page saying why iPhone is great. All because of a GS4 launch. Everybody is worried because Samsung found the formula to sell phones, and they are just getting better everyday. Samsung is going to live much longer, count on that.

AOSP doesn't cure cancer.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ken2802:
sometimes its see as if the devs want all things handed to them...

but i cant talk since i dont know a thing about developing and i am just seeing it from a enduser point of view.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] B1ackSi1ver:
You said it yourself, you dont know a thing.

Developers put a tremendous amount of work into this and deserve all the help they can get from the manufacturers.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Just like you want your ROMs handed to you with a silver spoon.

We want manufacturers to make it easy for us to develop, not take all the mambo jumbo reverse engineering wizardry to get everything working.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Becoming:
Deserve? Ha!

This is as entitled and nonsensical as people demanding things from devs that put tons of time and effort to make awesome work for free.

In a perfect world they'd get more support from manufacturers, but they're businesses not charities and aren't obligated to support a damn thing beyond normal updates.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Yeah, you're right.

So when there's no REAL development here, you have no right to complain.

No support from Samsung = no development = sad enthusiasts = brand image among enthusiasts destroyed

= no enthusiasts give a **** about Samsung devices = less recommendations to the average joe

= average joe look elsewhere = sales drop for Samsung
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paravorheim:
So which phone

So I understand the views most developers have towards Samsung. My questions are:

Which phone manufacturer do developers here like the most? Which phones will get the most support for the next year or so from both developers and manufacturers?

Also, I was under the assumption that Samsung released the source for most of their phones very soon after the phones themselves were released. Doesn't that mean they are trying to support development?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goku80:
Sony at the moment the best for development mate
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] browy:
The Nexus brand has always been and will always be the most beloved of the devs, no phone can beat that. But it won't be on my must-have list because it lacks removable battery and a SD card slot, all my apps and apps data are backed up on a SD card. That's the only complain that I have against the Nexus.

Sony has been known for their effort to support third party development for example providing the tools to unlock the bootloader on a high-quality device and giving users the instructions to build the kernel source. No other manufacturer had done that, nor have any others to date. In fact they have won XDA's OEM of the year 2012
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Piaband:
First of all, the point of this thread is to educate people who wish to purchase a device with ample dev support.

Secondly, your point is very short-sighted. Although our community is not the majority of users, we are by far the most vocal. When the average user goes to buy a smartphone, they have no idea which is better than the next. Word of mouth is very influential in this market.

Sent from my s-off Rezound
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
Some of us have lived on Stock Rom development for years and actually prefer it over the always non working this and that on CM and CM based ROMS. The only device I owned/own that benefits from CM is the Nexus. Other than that I prefer EVERYTHING to work and not wait for some nightly and have to flash a new ROM every week.

Cyanogen had their day. Manufacturers are making them obsolete with the hardware features they don't willingly release driver code for. Why should they? They WANT SAMSUNG stuff on Samsung phones. Stock developers do a great job of giving us a choice of WHICH Samsung apps we want and those of us who use the Pen on the Note like having it work as well.

We get it. No CM ROM...Buy another brand, Samsung doesn't care, nor should they for the relative handful of their newer devices running CM Roms.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Let's say it's May. Android 5.0 came by in Google I/O.

6 months later, you're still on 4.2.2 because Samsung still hasn't updated their phones and sources.

Okay there might be AOSP-based ROMs a week later.

But none of them is fully working because the drivers from 4.2.2 is no longer working in 5.0

You're telling me you won't get mad?

What if Google came out with some super cool feature.

Last year was Project Butter & Google Now.

You're still telling me you won't get mad?

If you say Samsung don't care, why should we care about them then?

We're XDA because we develop amazing custom ROMs, not some themed **** with extra apps preloaded together with some build.prop edits
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GeorgEveS:
You guys really got me into thinking... I thought Sammy to have unlocked phones and stuff but turns out they don't :/ I'm now really confused about what my next phone should be... I like the Nexus family but it's hardware limitations bug me. I dont know nothing about Sony... I'm so confused right now... :/ I guess I will wait to see if any good devices come out this year and if they have good CM support...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] howtomen:
If ur in the US ur fine lol

trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
I really suggest you to get anything other than a Samsung device if you want thorough and vibrant development

or if you are using an LTE Galaxy S 4, you'll be fine.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] subet:
Not much difference

Hi,

i think there won't be so much difference than GS3. No worry :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
Livebyte i think you working for Htc hahaa.Yea Samsung will update t Lime 5 after 6 but other smartphones after 2years.Samy whit 4.2.2 will work bether then Nexus whit lime5.So what is the point of lime5???CM is for older smartphones whit older procesors and ram.Beast like Sgs4 dhont need CM
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
I would love to work in a prestigious corporation like HTC.

Your sentence doesn't make any sense.

The purpose of CyanogenMod is to provide an alternative pure AOSP experience but with value-added features.

It is not what you think.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
You word is dhont buy SGS4 becose no CM suport.Devolpment isn t only CM litle respect t other Devs.TW devs like Omega,Jkay,Wanam,Turkbey,Dragon,Alliance.......
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imtoomuch:
At this point, it's not really Android. Don't you understand that? All this fragmentation is what will kill Android.

IMO Samsung pretty much hinted at a plan for giving up Android for its own Tizen OS when they announced it would be installed on high end phones.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
Blame Samsung for perfection.Grove up samy is perfected whit samy roms dhont need Aosp.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
You remind me of this.

Oh that's right, a sheep.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muhamet:
Nise pic CM boy or girl
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] browy:
Wow, die hard fan boy ain't ya? Seriously you are the one that should grow up. I've owned 4 Samsung's devices myself, S2, Galaxy tab, Galaxy tab 10.1 and my current*phone, the S3. Although I love all of them, I'm sane enough not to fool myself. I know their plus and minus, their up and downside, their advantage and disadvantage. Nothing is perfect my friend, don't blind yourself or you're just like one of those Apple's sheep. And by the way, learn how to spell properly. You think you're cool writing like that? You're not.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imtoomuch:
I'd respond, but I don't make fun of the blind!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Manya3084:
Teamhacksung no longer want to hack Samsung. I thought the name of the dev team implied giving the finger to Samsung saying "we don't need your perfect kernel code we'll make it work".

Guess it comes a time to get on to the easier devices and let someone else have a go.

Love the work they did for my note 2 but I will move to maybe the xperia z.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
You assume too much.......Samsung does not care about Cyanogen. Samsung does not HAVE to care about AKOP ASOP and CM They care about the general popualtion who does not root and ROM and care about selling millions of devices to THEM. THAT is what they care about. They don;t have to care about the relative handful that will want to eliminate their work from their own device!!

and no I would not be "mad" if I don;t get an update today and have to wait a month or three. . I UNDERSTAND Google will release the best and first for THEIR product! I get it! I am not one of those who HAS to have the absolute latest ROM available NOW.

The development is good enough on current ROMS to wait and allow others the "joy" of beta testing. CM ROMS are in perpetual beta testing from my experience. I prefer stable Stock ROMS. where everything the phone is designed to do works from the PEN to the FM Receiver to the Camera. if 4.2.2 is out and I am running stable on 4.1.2 I will wait. I don't get mad" when someone else has something I don't. I prefer to read their reviews, issues and accolades before I flash. AS with ANY FW update I wait to see the change log and decide if I want it or wait for features I will use.

That is the difference between you and I. I don't mind waiting. I don't want to be the first in line, The first flash of any ROM update is never on my list of things to do. . I don't use the F5 key in a development thread LOL

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You give yourself far too much credit for sales......LOL People buy based on word of mouth from millions of other people and seeing their phones.

Few buy a phone because CM runs on it.....Really! The way it's going all I need any more is root. The devices are getting THAT good. Developers will have a hard time making them better. A few tweaks here and there. I bought and will keep my Samsung Note 2 because there is STILL no other device like it. It is still relevant and a flagship device. I choose what Samsung apps I want and do not want. I choose the launcher, I buy the camera, video, and Music Apps I prefer. Everything works.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livebyte:
Your arguments are validated.

I agree with you totally!

Samsung will still sell millions because from their stock ROMs, it's pretty darn good I would say. (exclude JB update for N7000)

Hey, I still own my first Note with true pride knowing it's the only 16:10 phone ever. :D
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
No they don't....LOL The manufacturers do not owe them anything. Especially those who would relieve the device totally of the manufacturer's signature and make the hardware vanilla.

Samsung seems to "leak" pre release ROMS for Stock ROM developers as a "beta test" IMO. I know now they don't care about CM as evidenced by the team abandoning Samsung. Samsung is likely glad not to have that brand of development. That does nothing for sales, especially Samsung app based income. Even within these Forums everyone is not flashing those ROMS. I think less than more.

I will agree the developers and this site deserve donations from those who use it for their benefit. But the manufacturers owe the developers nothing. They are "hackers" not sales reps.. Not too many employed code writers support hackers openly.

Yes I am a Samsung Sheeple today....I was a Nokia Sheeple once..Maybe next year I will be a Blackberry sheeple who knows. bit so far no one has the Note 2 featureset and for me Samsung still makes the best devices and tools...even if not fashion statements.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoot1:
You have some very valid points..however you forget just one thing..why is Android better then other OSes..because of its open nature..it allows you to modify every aspect of the phone according to your liking..keeping that point in mind...AOSP support is an important aspect though for a minority (myself included)..I would now hear someone saying that if I want AOSP I should get a Nexus..my question is why can't I have the best of both worlds?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bala_gamer:
With the new features of s4,i would run custom Roms based on samsung Roms at any given day. I was a huge fan of aokp/aosp but honestly the new TouchWiz based Roms for s3 changed the whole(atleast for me). The same will happen for s4 too.

《posted from s3》
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoot1:
Bala, I was just thinking today, what advantages do Custom ROMs provide in today's beast phones..apart from themes obviously, there are no performance improvements to be given, de-bloating can be done by anyone, themes can be flashed over stock without going over the rigmarole of flashing a complete ROM..

I just don't get the advantage they provide now..Custom ROMs were meant for older devices of the past where the software was not completely optimized but not now..

Now a days, custom ROMs are a collection of Themes, MODs and apps nothing else..generally they are a copy of one another..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbong777:
I understand what you are saying but Android is open to Manufacturers to do as THEY please. Not to end users of those manufacturers. Google did not instruct manufacturers to open their devices up to hackers as a condition of using their Android Phone OS which is based on another open sourced SW Linux who did not say Google could not use their code for phone devices. Its all free UNTIL a manufactuerer uses it on their device for resale. Then it is up to hackers to hack it or not. Warranties are voided when phones are hacked. That should speak volumes about openness and willingness of Manufacturers to allow their devices to be hacked. Especially when that hacking earses said manufacturer's foot prints and income producing ability. .

THAT is the main issue why Apple (and I suppose MS) is so against Android. It's a free.OS You PAY for IOS in the Apple ecosystem. In the Android world we pay for hardware. Each manufacturer owns their own version of the SW and can lock it up as tight as a drum if they choose. Or one can buy a Nexus (which also has to have the bootloader unlocked) ! I am not sure if Google had the same exact phone as my Note 2 I would buy it. I prefer the TW over the Nexus 7. The only reason I sold the TAB was because it was like owning a Galaxy S in comparison to the Note 2. The only ROM that made it faster was the CM based ROMS. I thought if I was going to run that ROM may as well buy a Nexus 7. I am not sorry. Its much better. the second time around..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoot1:
It is exactly the point I am trying to make..If I pay for the hardware why can't I have the software of my choice..none of OEMs are selling their phones at a discount so that they can make it up though future in-app sales (except Google of course)..What you are saying is understandable if the OEMs were behaving like Google but they are not...You may like TW some may not..I just want to have my choice taken into account...

BTW I hate TW looks and the lag in Dialer/Contacts (Don't tell me I can use exDialer etc., I am talking about stock experience here)

To make a small analogy to the PC market..lots of OEM are now shipping with Linux on board..they are not locking you out so that you cannot change the OS..they are not looking for future sales through the OS they have shipped..they are just hardware manufacturers are asking for money for the hardware..the same should be mobile device manufacturers as well..you buy the hardware and you decide on the software you want to use not the manufacturer..