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[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
That's because the XZ can't compete. It has a subpar 1080p screen with washed out colors and really bad viewing angles, the speakers position is ridiculous and the speaker itself isn't that loud and clear, It LAGS like hell when you use the Sony launcher especially when you add more widgets and battery life isn't great. Plus it has some overheating issues. I think Sony will do better next year and this device is something to build up on, but it cannot compete with either the S IV or the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
Flame war thread

As long as u put vs in the title that's what u get

Reported

S4 INFO
[Galaxy S 4 General] Warren.D:
I had a S2, loved it. Upgraded to S3, detested it. Now have an Xperia Z, its phenominal.

S4 is Ugly.

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I've owned the Xperia Z since launch...

The display is very good, going from an S3, I have no regrets. Colours are good. Viewing angles are good too, slight change on colours ay extreme angles. My GS3 used to get a multi coloured sheen at extreme angles. Speaker is fine, location can be awkward but I rarely accidently cover it up with my hands.

In no way is the XZ laggy, I've not experienced this, infact its the most fluid handset I've owned.

Battery is good, needed cycling, lasts alot longer than my GS3 ever did. Also my GS2 and GS3 overheated more than my XZ.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I haven't owned the XZ.... but i did get hands on it.

No disrespect intended, but 90% of the reviews i watched and read talks about the lag and the awful viewing angles. Ppl say that battery isn't that great. I have been to the XZ forum and MANY users have reported lag and bad viewing angles and not so great battery life. So what conclusion am i suppose to get after all this?

Check out this review by a very unbias guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhXpHULwys
[Galaxy S 4 General] ra3al:
The occasional lag is caused by the launcher and the Xperia widgets, but it is really hardly noticeable at all and it will most certainly get better with each firmware update.

About the display - unfortunately some of the units sold do seem to have an inferior display - many users say there are two distinct types of display used. One of them is very good, the other one - not so much. I don't know if this is a problem with just the early batches or is going to stay.
[Galaxy S 4 General] soraxd:
Xperia Z is 1080p.. its processor is the same every other non samsung phone will have this year, its extremely close spec wise. its also waterproof and sexy AF. don't look down on Sony, they made a serious flag with the Z.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
everybody will have S600, 800, tegra 4 or exynos 5 octa. its 1080p isnt the best at all. the one thing it has is waterproof and a great design. thats it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] leobg:
Interface-wise and screen-wise the Z sounds like the better phone. Personally (after Galaxy Nexus) I'd never buy another AMOLED screen phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Entropy512:
Bull****.

Unlike you, I actually OWN a Z and have been using it for the past week. I've also owned numerous Samsungs over the past two years.

There is very little lag, far less than any device I've ever used - the device is wicked fast. The display is gorgeous. It has far more accurate color rendition than Samsung's AMOLED. I used to love AMOLED for the blacks, but after experiencing a *good* LCD display - I can't say I'm an AMOLED fan any more. People ***** left and right about the Nexus 4's stock color calibration - it smokes any AMOLED screen I've ever used.

I have had no overheating issues at all with my Z, and battery life is great unless I'm playing Ingress... But Ingress eats the battery of any phone you run it on.

Snapdragon 600 has the exact same GPU as the S4 Pro, and 20-30% better benchmark performance for the CPU cores, which will be wasted by Touchwiz bloat. In nearly all normal use cases, that 20-30% extra CPU benchmark epeen (REMEMBER: It has the EXACT same GPU) won't be worth anything at all.

As to the "octa" - if you think Samsung is going to properly integrate the software on that, you should look at Jellybean on the GNex vs. I9300 - Despite the I9300 being a benchmarks monster, for day-to-day use, the GNex smoked the I9300 in general UI responsiveness despite half the cores and a lower per-core clock speed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
It sounds like you enjoy your Xperia Z, good for you. I don't own it but i have had my hands on it. Great build quality, that's all that impressed me. Yes the screen is good, high res but you will argue that it has great viewing angles? Colors far better than an AMOLED screen? BULLSH*T. Let see how it compares to an AMOLED screen at the same resolution. I don't care about the CPU and GPU, as i have stated before, all phones coming out have enough power.

I didn't spend much time with the XZ but i'm not that impressed, also from reading reviews from the verge, pocketnow, engadget and users reviews. If you're happy with it then good for you, I think it does not compete with the One and S IV, no way.

From the verge and i agree,

Good Stuff

Stamina mode is a boon for battery life

Rugged, yet handsome, construction

Water- and dust-resistant

Headset is excellent for bass-heavy music

Bad Stuff

Limited viewing angles

Mediocre ergonomics

Sub-par camera performance

PlayStation Mobile remains woefully underdeveloped

"Sony's best Android phone to date is merely decent by the broader market's standards"

"Much like the Xperia S that came before it, the Xperia Z suffers from the unfortunate duality of being both Sony’s best phone to date and a merely average Android handset. There’s just no getting around the fact that Sony remains one step behind the competition. It stacks up a heaving spec sheet just as specs begin to matter least, it introduces an all-glass design just as others start to move away from it, and, most importantly, it fails to provide a compelling argument for purchasing it ahead of HTC, Samsung, or even LG’s alternatives.

Water and dust resistance is a rare and valuable trait for a phone of this size and the battery Stamina mode is legitimately useful, but together they just don’t add up to enough to make this device truly desirable. Sony loyalists and Android purists will find a few things to like, however the Xperia Z’s lasting legacy will be one of unfulfilled potential and inadequate differentiation."
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
For gamers sgs4(exynos) would be the right choice.

sent fromXperia sT21i

Everything stock
[Galaxy S 4 General] Maedhros:
My thoughts mirror the above post.

That being said, the Phone is very well designed, I'll give it that. This year, smartphone battles will be decided on looks. Smartphones are being more like Cars, performance is (imo) secondary for most consumers. If they don't like the look, they simply wont purchase it.

That is what makes the Sony good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Xperia z for build quality and waterproof feature.

But I would take one or s4 anyday

sent fromXperia sT21i

Everything stock
[Galaxy S 4 General] wrick17:
which 1 is actually better

Guys i hear a lot of competition among these two phones.. So which 1 is actually better?? :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] illmatic24:
I would go with the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ra3al:
Every phone has its weak sides. Saying that Z and ZL are completely outclassed by S4 and HTC One is a very very very biased opinion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
No it isn't. It simply cannot compete dude. Yes some will prefer it, but it won't be as popular as the One or the S IV. Someone gives you between 700-800 dollars and you walk to a store now, there is the XZ, HTC One and Galaxy S IV, knowing what you know now which one would you pick?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ra3al:
IMO all of the phones (S4, One, Z, ZL) are equally close to being the perfect phone (in different ways). But none of them is absolutely perfect.

When speaking about what I would pick, ZL seems to be the best choice for my needs :)

S4 will sell much more than Z (the majority of buyers don't give a damn about specs, they buy Samsung devices, simply because Samsung is the most famous and the market leader - it is much easier for them to simply trust the Market leader and don't bother with understanding what the specs mean and so on).

Z will similarly sell significantly more than One. (Because the ordinary buyer trusts Sony more than they trust HTC)

Among tech-savvy buyers I would say that probably both S4 and One will sell a little bit more than Z, but not by much :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I will agree.
[Galaxy S 4 General] giangi56:
i rhink s4 will probably be much better than sony
[Galaxy S 4 General] domperfater:
price

I decided to buy an Xperia Z but knowing the capabilities of the upcoming GS4 I'm about to change my choice. Does anybody have info about the price of the 3G-only EU variant?

I think it is the i9500 (they don't let me post links, check it on pdadb.net)
[Galaxy S 4 General] silverlining:
I also say S4! From what ive read the square shape of the XZ is quite uncomfortable, and the screen definitely isnt good for such a high end device.

__ Do you know the definition of insanity? __
[Galaxy S 4 General] domperfater:
waterproof+dustproof

Xperia Z is built up from better quality materials and it' waterproof+dustproof. Important things.;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] wednesday13:
Lol u got owned by a Entropy512. Stop your lies. What have u contributed on this forum?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipsuvedi:
I think zl is better than z and s4 is better than these two..except the waterproof
[Galaxy S 4 General] jackclarck:
Both phone have their importance according to the requirements of the user, but i personally like the S4, i like the look of S4 more than xperia.
[Galaxy S 4 General] fieskmask:
I suppose the subject is individually.

I bought myself an Xperia Z, changed from S3 and it was probably the best call yet for me.

Sony has made a good piece of phone, Yes, Xperia Z/ZL.

AMOLED vs TFT, well, not everyone like AMOLED, including me.

If I walked into a store and had to choose from HTC One, Xperia Z and S4 (Without any knowledge about hardware) I would probably still go for the Xperia Z, why you may ask? It's simle:

- Waterproof/Dustproof

- Nice looking design on the body

- Superb UI

- Open for more development WITH Sony then the rest

... and of, It's simple; SONY

And the fact that eather Sense or Touchwiz (Which btw is soooo boring) is appealing to the eye AND the hardware differences is barely noticeable these days, the choice is even easier.

This post might point me out as a fanboy,but no, that´s not the deal, the deal is, if you like a phone, you should but it.

I would never use a phone which has AMOLED ever again and I don't like Samsung, HTC or LG so I suppose it just leave me with like.. one choice?
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
I think the S4 will and S3 does feel better in the hand than the Xperia Z. ( I haven't touched a ZL yet).

Fragile glass for a device I carry around in my pocket every day!? Seriously!? :cyclops:

One word on UI responsiveness: If you are hanging around at xda for a while and haven't found out how to get Touchwiz decently smooth and snappy I'm sorry for you. Try harder! :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] Al Gore:
^ who said it's fragile?
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: S4 Vs Xperia Z/ZL

YouTube :D

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] adizntk:
Odp: S4 Vs Xperia Z/ZL

I Have a Sharp display in my XZ and everything is just as it should be, I also have galaxy S3 and you cant really compare those two because XZ is just much faster, also the viewing angles are better on XZ, but lets go to the comparison the S4 in hardware would be faster in theory and thesame story goes to HTC One but it would not be faster in reality because they have very heavy UI which will consume a lot of your CPU and RAM. Also what I think is you will not be able to see much differnce in speed and I also think that S4 looks just like s3 which is ugly compare to XZ and I want to say that people that found out about XZ from reviews should not say anything if they haven't used it for at least a day because they would not have any knowledge about it and also nearly every review is different and you can only say how good it is from your experience not from someone elses. I read that someone said that on XZ forum people complain about the screen, well its not true because there were some questions about the screen quality before it was released but after people got it most of people were really happy with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
There was a white tint on the XZ which I used , though 441ppi is very sharp compared to s3.

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] rycexboi:
Youtube videos of people taking off the anti shatter film and smashing it with hammers and all sorts of crap? I'm not saying the phone is bullet proof but if the phone was fragile then there would be a hell lot of complaints out there which I dont see.
[Galaxy S 4 General] thunderising:
Plastic.. eew. yuCK!

What's ur point?
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: S4 Vs Xperia Z/ZL

I haven't tried myself how durable the glass on the XZ is. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen anything yet, that convinces me that it isn't just a bigger iPhone 4 with Android.

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] Al Gore:
Yet you haven't seen anything to suggest the opposite and it doesn't stop you from bashing Xperia Z for being fragile :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: S4 Vs Xperia Z/ZL

I'm drawing my conclusion from phones with glass back in the past.

Some people should buy Sony or HTC phones to keep up the competition. Just won't be me. ;)

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] Underground_XI:
Xperia is a joke.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bagbug:
s-amoled or nothing for me.

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not only a joke, the Sony Android phones have always some compatibility problem with many apps on the market.

Avoid Sony at all cost.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aureliomilitao:
for me s4 is better
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tiplite2004:
The oppo find 5 is destroying both phones:cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Underground_XI:
Exactly my point.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DrunkPimp:
I really want the S4, one and xperia z/zl to come out so we can really see the best phone!
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I don't think that the Xperia z is that much better than the S3 ( actually i dont think it is better) let alone compare it to the S IV. Let me explain lol. The xperia Z has a better build quality than the S3 and a sharper screen. But its real advantage is build quality with waterproof. Other than that, i prefer the S3. I think touchwiz wins over Sony's UI, yes the S4 pro SoC is more powerful but the exynos 4 quad performs really well and considering the S3 is equipped with a better software, i give the edge to the S3. Battery life is comparable, the S3 has been out longer and has TON of dev support. If i had 700 dollars to choose between the 2 i would get the S3 for 500 dollars and mayvbe buy a nexus 7 with the rest of the money. Just my opinion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
Sony isn't too bad (my arc is pretty good!) but between S4 and XZ, I'll choose the S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] duykhang524:
Saw the Zl today and the screen is just disappointing even though the Nexus 4 screen is lower resolution it looks a lot better because colors are better. The ZL looks like it was washed out or has milked mixed to its colors
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
Tried XZ out and I have no idea why but

1. The UI is jerky. Random lag spikes while scrolling around home screens. 2. Colours are horrendously washed out. HTC one has a better screen.

Kinda sad. Was expecting some more from Sony 's flagship
[Galaxy S 4 General] daleski75:
I couldn't get on with the XZ at all even simple pinch and zoom gestures where a chore and it was choppy when scrolling and the screen lacked a wow factor like you get with the S3, Nexus 4 and the HTC One.... all in all the XZ is a disappointing phone imho.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gelo01:
I thought phone comparisons aren't allowed on xda? Don't know why here in S4 subforum, mods allow such threads, while on other forums, they're locked fast.

Any mods out there? Just thinking.. :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
it is not Lte capable in NA from.what ive seen...anyone who would pay that much.for a phone without lte is crazy (if u live in an lte area anyway) beautiful phone for sure but slow as hell on network..no thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gitaroo:
Xperia ZL for me if i have to choose, the screen + BE2 > AMOLED to me, better than HTC One also beside the viewing angle.
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
I m very confused with both phones

Tell which is better and why
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Read both reviews from different sites and make your choice.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
Better than HTC One in which area?

Brightness? No, One is higher

Black level? No, One is much better

Contrast? No, because of two reasons above

Sunlight legitability? No, low contrast

Sharpness? No, One has higher ppi

"True" color? Oh so why do you like BE2 when it makes everything as saturated as Amoled screen (but lacks deep black)?
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
FYI S4 pro isn't faster than Exynos 4412 at all :p

the advantage of XZ over GS3 is only 2GB of ram
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
And what makes you say that?
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
LOL

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[YOUTUBE]Peo2QFJB-dU[/YOUTUBE]

this done by my friend
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
The Xperia Z is not a great phone, has bad optimization and has a higher res display than the note 2 ( I'm guessing that's the phone it was compared to). Should have used a Same res screen phone like the Optimus g. It would have smoked it. ( that's coming from someone who thinks that the note 2 is the best phone ever).
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
no its GS3 :D;)

and LG OG will not smoke anything it will just smoke weed :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Lol. But seriously the Optimus G is faster than the S3, I'm just stating facts as I'm a Samsung person.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JesseMT4G:
The S4 is more featured packed IMO. Some gimmicky stuff, but some very useful.

I used to be about looks, and man do the Xperia Z and HTC One look amazing, especially the One, but I have come to the logical decision to not give a rats you know what anymore. I put my phone in a case the day I get it. So with that said, your phone is only as nice as your case.

So if you don't use a case (Your Crazy, lol!) then the HTC or Sony may be a better bet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] xperian.ir:
Sony's design is very beautiful
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
and very uncomfortable :silly::silly:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kifsito:
Here, check it you all, go read it all and stop the fights.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915.php

In the end the definition of "the best phone" varies according to the person tastes, both phones are good enough.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yes that's true.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
No. I saw somebody had a rounded case for their XZ, looks as comfortable as my Note 2 but ugly as hell:laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] kthalejo:
For samsung ppl = s4

For sony ppl = xz

For the layman = guess what?:confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sinple:
s4 runs on 4.2.2, s3 will have 4.2.2 soon.

The xperia lines and old flagship barely have 4.1.2.

I am not comparing bout other phone, just flagship like Xperia Arc, Xperia S. Still stuck at ICS

If I am going to pay so much money, at least Samsung and htc provide better software support. Sony is way to slow in their software update. And given a longer waiting period for update, Sony's update are not necessary bug free.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bagbug:
keep dreaming. The screen of the Sony is a joke like the rest of the phone. Even the camera is a disaster and its a Sony !

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/3663034632/dxomark-mobile-report-sony-xperia-z10?sidebar

They will start to drop the price here (Canada) next month because of the poor sale.

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"

Sony Xperia Z over Samsung Galaxy S4

IP57 dust and water protection

Glass-covered body looks way superior

FM radio

HDR video

Already available, slightly cheaper

TV-out via MHL link works with most of the available MHL HDMI cables

"

The IP57 (Z) is not available here and I dont plan to drop my phone in water anyway ;)

I dont care much about the Glass-covered body, and yes, I do prefer plastic, even to aluminum

FM radio , I have Tune In Pro and a very good data plan

HDR Video , rofl

Already Available and Already outdated

Slightly cheaper, for a cheaper phone ! Of course it is cheaper.

TV-out via MHL bla bla bla , a phone as a video player ? Ok it may be cool a few times a year but I already have 2 Android TV Box...

And on my opinion , the screen and the camera are a disaster.

If you hate Samsung, just wait for the Google x or the Nexus 4s/5

There is no competition at the comment, the S4 is alone :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] jonatton:
Could we just stop with this oversaturated BS already? SAMOLED screens in S3 and Note 2 are out of the box not properly calibrated - granted. That doesn't mean SAMOLED can't have excellent color representation. SAMOLED has excellent contrast ratios which gives it the edge if properly calibrated. Which is why we have amazing developers like AndreiLux developing kernels with out of the box perfect color calibration.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Sony ruined it with their display this time:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sixpoint1:
Apparently the S4 screen is very accurate with RGB and Movie modes. Better whites than HTC One and iphone 5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FinancialWar:
This is why every mother should give enough attention to their young.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
XZ over S4

-Porn in shower

-Possible nicer build (personally, angular design is too uncomfortable for me)

S4 over XZ

-Better camera

-Better display in every way possible

-More software features

-Faster processor

-Nicer design IMHO

-Latest android version. 4.2.2 over 4.1.2

And I have no idea why but the display units at my telco store were laggy. Scrolling home screen was jerky and opening camera took fairly long. Screen wasn't vibrant at all.

I'll freely admit both are great phones, but the S4 simply cannot be matched by the Xperia Z.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
How is the Sony skinned version of Android on the Xperia? Better/worse than TouchWiz?
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
It's laggy on the Xperia z
[Galaxy S 4 General] 1337RYoN:
Sony's skin is slightly cleaner and simpler than TW but it's laggier than my friend's S3 TW.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pihx:
I've tried both Xperia Z and S4 (test unit) at work and either the Xperia Z screen was faulty or it was just utter crap. The contrast was bad, the blacks were more like dark grey and viewing angles bad.

I am not anyones fanboy but the HTC One X+ and LG optimus G have much better LCD screens then Sony and in my opinion Sony uses bad screens in their phones, like Xperia S.

The S4 screen is amazing however. I've never been a big fan of Amoled but this one is amazing and RBG mode really makes a difference and is bright enough for my use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
LMAO :D:D

http://www.androidcentral.com/wet-swimsuit-models-remind-us-we-want-xperia-z
[Galaxy S 4 General] andybrid:
That screen on the Z completely ruins it. At least on the European version that i've played with. I've seen some posts comparing the screen on the japanese version of the Z with the on eon the international version, and the first was clearly better. Why would Sony do that leaves me clueless...
[Galaxy S 4 General] tft:
i'm still wondering when samsung is going to improve sound. is it that difficult/expensive for them to use a better speaker and maybe add an extra one? my S3 has the same audio quality as my 5 yr old HTC touch.