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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Nicely said summary.

Also agree. I'd add though the lower the light, the more the One will distance itself from other cameras. Here against the Xperia Z.

Low Light

Weak Light

No Light

SweDroid's One camera review.

http://www.swedroid.se/htc-one-recension/#kameran

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The One's audio capture is great. As far as the video, what does everyone think compared to the N2?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Which pixel is the mirror? Kidding of course. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
Pretty sure the picture on the left is the Xperia Z not the Galaxy S4. I'll put together a comparison of that pic of GS4 vs the One. one second...Well here's the pictures labeled and with less JPG compression for anyone who wants them. The GS4 definitely has more detail than the HTC One. I'm sure in even lower light the HTC One may surpass the GS4...but in this low of light I'm excited the GS4 is winning. I was leaning towards the HTC One ONLY because of it's supposed lowlight performance, but wanted everything else from the Galaxy S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
It's the one that opens when I click the photo on the top left, just like the photo at the top of the page shows.
[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
Yeah those are the Xperia Z pics. They had the GS4 at the top left for the "screen comparison pics" but when they switch to camera comparison pics they put the GS4 camera pictures on the bottom right.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
Actually, I think we both have/had it wrong:

That would make the HTC One shot this one:
[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
Nah pretty sure I have it right :P you can clearly see in the picture they label the top right one HTC One and bottom right Galaxy S4, this is a screenshot right off of the website I didn't add the labels:

That picture is straight off their site. Also the HTC One shoots widescreen which definitely makes it the top right picture.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
I'm so confused... that is not what the webpage looks like at all in my browser...
[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
Turn off google translate if you have that on. It messed up the page for me. I'm using Chrome if that helps?
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
Ah, that makes sense. It completely reorders them and removes the labels, with Translate on.

Well, I will certainly eat my words about the amount of light the GS4 took in, in this shot. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I have a headache. :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
You're telling me. I thought I had gone mental for a minute!

:laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
Wow, here's another low light comparison from that site. http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/tal...16gb-801e-新-HTC-One-New-HTC-One-新一-M7-review/

Looks like it's pretty dark lighting too cause the Xperia Z pic looks twice as bad/dim/grainy as the HTC One. Anyone know if that site is legit? Looks way too good to be true lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
As legit as any site taking a bunch of pics of the same scene with different devices side-by-side. ;) More conclusions have been drawn based on less here if that helps.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Trades blows... ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
No doubt. It's certainly the better of these two photos. If results like this are even semi consistent, you've got to say that the GS4 has the better overall camera.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
I love the S4 results here, but without the data (iso and shutter) there is no way to know if you will be able to take these with consistency as you said. As I keep saying it's not always what the phone CAN do but rather if you will be able to make it do it when you want to. My last phone (One X) could take amazing pictures, but mostly it wouldn't. What you need is consistency especially with a phone camera which is used on the go. If you go to flickr and look at photos from different phones almost all look amazing even thou you know that phone usually takes crappy pics. All these studio reviews just make me confused. In one the S4 is better, in another the One is better.

Here is an example of what longer exposure with lower iso will do. Most pics on the go will be very blurry since the shutter is open 3-4 times as long with this setting but if you take your time and use Night Mode for static objects for example you can really improve the quality in bad light. It's a 100% crop from anandtechs review of the One. I think you will have to set Night Mode manually on both phones which I think is smart due to the long exposure times used.

Night mode is on top in the image...
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
^^

There is a auto night-mode detection option in GS4.

You can either select night mode manually, or you can allow the phone to turn it on automatically if it detects low light.

The choice is yours!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
That's a nice option! Good to know. Thanks..
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
WOW :D:D

i wish Sammy used HAAC mic's on GS4 :(

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WHAT :confused::confused: GS4 support HDR video :D:p

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[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I have the HTC One and it's a great phone and the camera is excellent in all ways except shots like these. Maybe HTC will improve these with a software update but for now if you take these scenic photos you may want to have a think. As I said, all other aspects are excellent.

Then again you might like these.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Why are the data of exposure time and iso missing in the exif of the S4 pics? That makes the comparisson a bit difficult.

Are the pictures made on a stand or freehand?

What settings are used? Nightmode (which increases exposure time on the one) or automode?

As they are for sure made on a stand, how would the look without it?

The Xperia Z with the same sensor used 1/16 and 1000 iso on the teddybear pic. But the picture is like 10times darker (and noisier) then the s4? I´d bet the S4 uses very high exposure times which will be useless in realworld performance.

Btw:

In the pictures gsmarena made, there are information about iso and exposure time. Seems like eprice deleted it. I just keep my thoughts on that...
[Galaxy S 4 General] johnbhoy89:
that dartmoor? many a sleepless nights there, while in recruit training. :crying:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Sure is. Brentor Church. And Tavistock to Princetown
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That website is Taiwanese. With all that's going on with Samsung in Taiwan right now I can assure you the site's doing nothing to make the SGS4 look any better than it is. And yes, the XZ uses the same sensor as the SGS4. It's pretty obvious Sony's post-processing and s/w is a bit challenged from comparison shots seen across the web.

Does this user poll look like it's from a site that's biased toward Samsung?
[Galaxy S 4 General] h.han:
Sorry first if what I about to say is already covered in the previous 52 pages...

I am not sure how you use you phone camera, but my typical usage is, see my son is doing something funny, take out my phone, start camera, start shot picture or video.

Simple three steps, spot a shot, prepare camera, and shot.

The preparation should be as short as possible, since what I am about to capture will change in any second, that's why I start to think all those camera features on the S4 may not be really useful.

There are just too many preparations involved, all those modes, they are good, don't get me wrong, it's just I don't have time to choose the right one to use before I miss the perfect moment.

That's why I prefer HTC One's camera, simple two buttons, picture and video, or if you want something a bit more, a third Zoe button on the same UI without any finding work.

quality wise, I don't really mind, got a Nikon DSLR which will be there if I need.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Both cameras have the same two buttons to shoot in auto mode and pretty much the same options and settings if you want to manually control them. Almost all the pics in this thread pasted from reviews were in auto mode or night mode.
[Galaxy S 4 General] johnbhoy89:
I still get nightmares from here hahaha

nice pictures by the way :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] cbutters:
There is a comparison here between the GS4, HTC One and GS3:

http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5371&idPhone2=5313&idPhone3=4238

Is it just me, or does the GS3 have much better clarity than the GS4....?

edit: realized it was a video quality comparison vs. a still picture comparison... but still...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the camera interface from the user manual. You can also set the volume button to either control the shutter or zoom.

The user manual (for the i9500) is here...

http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/support/model/GT-I9500ZWATGY-downloads?downloadName=UM
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Its still a bit odd, isnt it? All the other photos had the informations.

The S4 photos are too clean from noise and to bright for a fast shutter speed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's so hard to say what's typical and atypical when so many sites have taken pics with the same cameras and some have gotten different results. You brought up a good point earlier and that's the lack of "action shots" which I'd guess are important to a lot of people. It'll be interesting to see some real world pics taken by SGS4 users to compare against what One users have posted. To me those are the most relevant and usually you get the story behind the shot along with it to know what camera settings were used.
[Galaxy S 4 General] WhiteHartMart:
Nice - love taking the kids to Dartmoor - only about 15 mins from me :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Only 15 mins from me as well :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
And here's is a real user close up of the HTC One for comparison to the landscape shots I posted a few pages back. My dinner
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Some of these photos have exif data about ISO, shutter speed.

EDIT: For some reason, links are not opening. But you can check them in the main article.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's hard to evaluate individual pictures; I've seen great ones from crappy (not implying the One is) cameras. After looking at pictures from the Xperia Z I've been left unimpressed. But here's a good macro shot from it. At the end of the day it all comes down to how people use their smartphone cameras and how pleased

they

are with the results. I've had friends send me pictures they've taken that they were particularly proud of that left me scratching my head. Even here there's been discussion of the One X who's camera many feel is "average" at best while others have thought it was teriffic. My "10" on the ten scale is most likely different than everyone's here. And vice versa.
[Galaxy S 4 General] darkkain:
What do you think, sgs4 photos will be better with software stabilization "on" or "off"? (more detailed)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
True, some of the pictures have iso and shutterspeed in their exif.

And that confirms me:

Cat picture:

One: 1/120 sec, f/2, ISO 169

SGS4: 1/32 sec, f/2.2, ISO 125

Bear:

One: 1/30 sec, f/2, ISO 130

SGS4: 1/32 sec, f/2.2, ISO 200

Flower:

One: 1/30 sec, f/2, ISO 180

SGS4: 1/16 sec, f/2.2, ISO 200

Two men on the bank:

One: 1/30 sec, f/2, ISO 185

SGS4: 1/16 sec, f/2.2, ISO 250

Shop:

One: 1/40 sec, f/2, ISO 125

SGS4: 1/32 sec, f/2.2, ISO 200

But its still curious why the interesting ones missing the information...
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
That's my Z shot taken for Z Vs Pureview Vs Note 2 comparison (in which the rather awful Z did very poorly, that one shot aside).

Agreed everyones scale is different, heck, half the Z owners love their phones camera...
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
photos with night mode don't record exif data even GS3 and Note 2 too ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Ah, that would explain it... but why are they hiding it?

The Sony uses 1/16 iso800 on the street picture with the same camera chip. The S4 pic is much brighter.. I´d say exposure time is under 1/8. Maybe even 1/2 or below?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Wow. Six degrees of seperation is true.

So you're saying I have a good eye? ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
Absolutely :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
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WOW the OIS seems way better on the One + better exposure - better focus - better colors

lumia 920 sucks as WP8 :silly::silly:

LOL i love to see GS4 in the same test :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's the one I'd pick for filming video by strapping my smartphone to my car's dashboard. ;)

The N2 wihout OIS seems to do better than the Nokia with it.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
All are nice but the first one is really dramatic! Nice one!

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True, but the zoe mode lets you apply all the effects and functions after you take the photo. You don't have to decide in beforehand what you might want to change or do after you take the picture (like remove objects, mix frames together, always smile etc) and there he has a point. But most shots for most users will be in auto mode like you said.

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If kids and friends indoors are usual targets and outdoor detail or high rez isn't that important to you as you say I would without a doubt go for the One and it's shutter speed, consistency to capture the moment and zoe mode. It seems it always comes down to your use cases when it comes to choosing between these two phone cameras.

I just told my dad to get the S4 and my sister to get the One. Different people, different ways of taking photos and different uses of the photos.

Both are a big step up from anything we had on android before so I'm confident both will be pleased.

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Yes it's little bit odd but mostly it is annoying. Those are great shots and thats why I'm so interested in the info that for some reason is removed in just those pics from the S4. I want to know what conditions are required to capture low light shots of excellent quality like that. It very good to know that it's possible at all, but I want to know how.

New firmware?

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That's a big difference in shutter speed in many of them. Often twice as fast and sometimes 4 times as fast. That's a blur reducer for you if Ois isn't enough :). Thanks

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Nice but strange. The OIS on the Nokia always does a better job in the comparisons I've seen so far. Darker yes, but smoother. I wonder if it's due to the faster OIS on the One and that the vibrations of the car is to fast for the Nokia. "Normal" shaking from hands or walking is more important and is usually better on the 920.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Conditons? Dont shake your Phone for 1/2sec

Found something about the s3 nightmode.

Source: http://thegalaxys3gallery.blogspot.de/2012/06/guide-samsung-galaxy-s3-camera-usage_2968.html

Maybe they even increased the maximum exposure time? But i dont think so. I think the pictures are made with 1/2sec exposure time and 800iso

So it would have catched about 6 times as much light as the one or 7,5 times more then the xperia z.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
Without any OIS how is it possible to take blur free image at 1/2s shutter?? That kind of shutter handheld is even very very difficult for my Olympus OMD EM5 that has the most advanced OIS in the world.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
1/2 a second. That will be hard to use if you don't have a tripod or some support. The nokia 920 has a maximum of 1/3 I think with ois and still often get blurry on first try. Not to mention if there is people in the shot. Could be nice to be able to have that long exposure setting in some situations thou. I guess no phones nightmode is for casual shooting any way.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
They for sure used a stand / tripod for the photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Low rez, grain and bad color > High rez with blur or bad focus with true colors.

A pure studio comparison would make me buy the wrong one in many cases.

That's why we have these forums to share our own pics and situations :). Let's hope the S4 pics start to flow soon! :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
I get the feeling that this is where having sound and shot comes in handy. Get a picture with some audio instead of having to worry about keeping a steady video recording.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
Looks like my HTC One may finally ship to me tomorrow, arriving sometime next week a few days before I get my S4 (Padfone Infinity arrives Monday, if that is also of interest to anyone). Look forward to trying these out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
So apparently Samsung made the exposure time super long in night mode just to make the S4 look good in synthetic low light tests? Most reviews I've seen are using tripods. It will be nice when normal people get ahold of the S4 and can take some normal pictures. Night mode is useless without a tripod though if the exposure time can creep up to 1/2 second.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The One and the 920 go as low as 1/8 and even 1/3 in exposure time in various situations according to EXIF data, where the S4's longest exposure is 1/14, and it was sufficient enough for decent and stable Mobile-Review and PhoneArena low-light shots, quit making drama where isn't.

Quite the contrary, I would welcome 1/8 and 1/5 exposure times cause I can hold the it stable for that amount of time. In complete darkness the Lumia beats out the S4 EXACTLY because it has longer exposure.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
and can u till me how u found the exposure times in night mode ??? TW camera ( GS3 - Note 2 - GS4 ) in night mode don't recorded exif data

BTW GS2 in night mode use 1/2 exposure time :D and give great results :cool:

at 10pm :D

:good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I didn't, cause the PA review wasn't done in Night Mode and the results were still very good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
aha :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
It's not useless since it's optional. If it would go into night mode automatically it would be terrible. The longer a shutter can stay open the better it is as long as you can control when it happends. I'm usually a casual shooter, but sometimes you want to take your time to be creative and make a great photo and thats where these features could be nice to have. The Lumia and One have 1/3 in nightmode which is a great deal shorter, but still long enough to cause blur often. Hopefully the ois will help with that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
My post was in response to a statement that the One had a better camera because it's easier to use in point-and-shoot mode. They're the same.

I haven't played with Zoe so have no idea what type of filters and tools it provides. But these are the tools available on the N2 for manipulating photos after the fact. They seem very similar. I'd imagine they are even more refined on the SGS4. Outside of "Zoe scenes" which are proprietary and can only be viewed on the device or zoe.com (Zoe’s converted to MP4 lose features) I haven't heard of anything that's different than what's either standard on most phones or can be obtained on Google Play. And if you really want to go to town post-editing your photos get a Note-device with Paper Artist.

This may be true but until the SGS4's used by folks in the same conditions I'm not there yet. I've learned long ago not to make decisions based on marketing promise. And the output has to be weighed against the capture to get a complete picture of which overall results are "better." And there's a huge "post your pics" thread in the One forum and there's a lot of adjustments being shared to get the best results which can't be compared to the SGS4 because most reviewers used it "as-is" in auto or night mode.

We've looked at dozens of pics from a dozen different sources for both cameras. The percentage using a tripod are probably in the single digit percentages. That's why it'll be good to see pictures taken by actual users using their actual cameras.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Not quite the same again since the zoe mode is available directly on the screen all the time like the picture and movie button. You can keept i in zoe mode all the time if you want.

I also think you confuse "Zoe" with "highlights". Highlights is a 30 sek movie made by the phone with selected content from an event with filters and music. This can be exported as mp4.

The Zoe on the other hand is a shooting mode which takes 21 full rez frames during 3 seconds (starts 1 second before you press the shutter and 2 seconds after) while also recording a full hd video at the same time. Thats the unike part. It requires lower rez, very fast shutter and high light sensitivity to work well. Thats also why you can select any moment from those 3 seconds and keep "as your photo". You can also choose smiles and remove objects, merge frames etc after the fact. I think it's this that makes it "easier". Shoot in zoe mode and you can then afterwards decide what you want to do or change. Unlike the S4 you don't have to make any of those settings before you take the picture. More "point and shoot" if you will.

Edit: clarification
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
The GS4 can do this also.
[Galaxy S 4 General] johnbhoy89:
Feel like selling my camera now, the photos that are coming from this phone are just as good
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Can you record 720 p videos with 60 FPS ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Yes I know but as far as I know you have to select which one of these features you want to use before you take the picture. You cant just take an ordinary picture and then remove objects. You must select "remove objects" setting before you take the photo and afterwards you can remove objects. But you must know what you want to edit before. If you take "always smile" you can't remove objects for example. With a Zoe you can use all availible options after if you need. No thinking, just take the photo and if anything needs editing you can do it.

I must point out that I'm not sure about this but from what I have read that is a difference. Can anyone confirm or deny this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
You can take an ordinary picture and remove objects, like people walking in the background for instance that you don't want on the photo. Samsung touched on this in their unboxed event. They copied many of the functions of the HTC One's camera except the Zoe montages and maybe an other option or two.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
I'm looking forward to trying that out, but wasn't everybody's beef with The Hobbit's HFR 3D that having such a high frame rate causes a weird "soap opera effect". I think standard films are shot at 24 fps. Is there really any practical purpose of going that high, rather than just using 1080p?

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I would think that the One would have an advantage in going to long exposure, using the OIS. It should, in theory at least, allow you to keep the exposure open longer without blur.

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I've been meaning to ask; does Zoe only work in standard mode?