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[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
I think the S4 can take nice enough images in bad light (not to dark) given the right conditions. I don't think it's wise to try to convince ourselves that it will do as well in any low light situation as the One. The thing is that almost all reviewers who takes up the matter says that it's hard to get these good shots with the S4 and they often get blurry (which is natural given the longer exposure time). While you may get them with some tries and steady support it will not produce examples like these in everyday life for people using it as a point and shoot. While some shots look nice even if they are dark they wouldn't be usable if there where people in them. For just scenic pics it will work ok. I think this is an area we will have to let go for the S4. It will never work as well in these conditions as the One, but hopefully well enough for all of us wanting the S4. If you don't care for low light photo then it is a non issue really.

Personally I'm still torn between the two :)

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True, but if your friends was on the picture the left one would not be very good. The right one is in nightmode with very long exposure which will mean that it's hard to get good shots on the go or with people in them. For scenic pics of houses etc it is more than enough thou.

I want examples of pics I usually take and not only of houses and skylines :). Give me people people :) !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] accord99:
Modern DSLRs have incredible low-light capabilities, in auto they would certainly look more like the HTC One than the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
:laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] jtc276:
Does anyone have any comparisons between the S4 and the One with the One having today's update? I'm starting to consider the One again...
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
best compare

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/92...sunggalaxys4-vs-htcone-vs-iphone5-vs-lumia920

best compare i think htc one produce bigger photo but s4 is clear photo and low light htc one wins

but s4 wins because day light photo is more important it on you whick condition you use

if low is your think then eyes close go for htc then day light is s4 is more better

best camera today in market is lumia 920:good:

but we are android freaks i think s4 because day light more important we can use flash at night :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] poweroutlet:
Here is how those "night mode" images were taken on the S4:

". Unfortunately night mode introduces huge shot to shot latency that seems to be on the order of seconds — tap the button, capture runs, then there’s a progress bar that pops up while multiple exposures are ostensibly recombined into one image. You also have to be exceptionally steady to get an image without blur since it appears that this mode takes multiple images to get to the end goal — a better exposed image without tons of noise."

All things equal the HTC one will always have the faster shutter speeds too which is nice.

The s4 is the the higher detail camera but it's very design inherently makes it worse at low light images, I don't see why you people are still trying to argue against that. Neither camera is really better than the other, you decide based on your needs.

So you'd rather just look at a completely black image than something where you can actually see things? Sorry but there's just no arguing that the One simply comes out far ahead in such low light situations. A nikon D300s with a nice 35mm 1.8 lens will be able to take nice pictures in dark areas where your average camera will produce almost pitch black pictures, are you going to argue that the dSLR is "not realistic"?

Is the S4 more "realistic" here too?
[Galaxy S 4 General] limeaid:
This is the most thorough comparison of the top smartphone cameras as of yet. It was also done by photography ppl (dpreview) so the methodology and analysis are sound.

I think it's clear from the comparison photos that the GS4 wins best all-around smartphone camera on the market today. If you have some specific needs (i.e., you take a ton of pictures in bars/clubs and other low light conditions), a case can be made for the One or Lumia, but if you use your camera as an everyday shooter in a variety of situations, the GS4 is probably the way to go. I do have some concerns over the larger file size (~4-5 MB) of the GS4's photos in terms of sharing and SD card space, but I guess I'll learn to live with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
First of all, I would not expect a mobile device to be able to take a decent picture in such a dark place. Remember this is a smartphone, not a dedicated point and shoot. Sure the HTC One did a better job but that's why you lose out elsewhere, you win some you lose some. Either way, both these devices have good cameras it just depends on your use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] poweroutlet:
Yes, you do win some and lose some. You can't have it all. I agree with that. I'm just trying to keep it objective here since some posters are obviously letting their bias cloud things.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
I keep seeing people saying that, but none of the example shots I see make me believe that, despite how the 920 looks on paper. The post-processing algorithms are horrifically awful.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
This argument is often used by both camps hehe. :D

The S4 has much higher resolution and better detail on 1:1 comparisons. It also has this and this.

Answer: "Who cares!? It's a phone and not a dedicated camera. I'll just use my dslr when needed"

The One takes much better pics in low light and has much quicker shutter and this and this...

Answer: "Who cares!? It's a phone and not a dedicated camera. I'll just use my dslr when needed"
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The One overexposing city night scenes is a pretty solid argument though. As seen in the PhoneArena test, the S4 handles night shots without night mode well providing the city lights are okay, it's pretty much spot on with the DSLR in color and brightness reproduction unlike over-exposing and over-whitening One. I call this as well as low-lit bar scene low light, and the S4 does better.

Then there is darkness where I don't think anybody argues that the S4 is better because it is not, but note that the One still tends to overexpose, yet captures more dark details (some of it via post-processing). All things considered, darkness, low light, sufficient light, good light, white balance, exposure, level of details, zoom ability, dynamic range and video capture, the One wins one (darkness) maybe two (video) out of 10 criteria, that's a pretty clear win for the S4 for me.

IF you are a darkness shooter and don't mind overexposure for more details, sure, the One is the better choice, but then the Lumia 920 is even better.

If my mum sought for cameraphone advice I'd say if low-light is absolutely crucial, go for the Lumia 920, if not, the S4. I don't see how you can have an argument that the One is a better choice in either situation.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
The Dp-review review was very interesting. The good thing is that the S4 and the One both seems to be much better than the iPhone5 and Lumia920 and that it didn't bring up any new factors that could make the decision even harder. This means that we will probably be happy with which ever we choose :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
Lol funny how on the HTC one forums they all praise and dance around the reviews that bashed the gs4.yet when you show them that the pros the One supposedly should be better at are beaten by the gs4 they go into denial. Of course no one is forcing anyone to choose a phone but most HTC one buyers think they joined some revolution mouvement.

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
I haven't read one review saying that the 920 is better in low light and i have read plenty (also it's not android). The Nokia uses much longer exposure which results in blurry pics more often. Also the post processing is horrible in many cases in the 920 with strange colors and artifacts. The 920 camera is much slower to start, focus and take pics. Just look at those unatural pics of the 920 you posted. The Ones pics was true to real life colors in that test from what I remember while the 920 made them look nothing like the real situation. Also the nokia can't film well in low light at all and if low light capability was all your mother wanted then that could be a problem.

Once again all reviewers say that the One and S4 are the best phone cameras out there. They all love them both (with some exceptions both ways) They also say that depending on your use or needs there isn't a clear choise between them.

More points to your list:

- The ability to get a usable picture more often (not only in low light)

- Shutter speed to capture fast motion

- Camera and focus speed

- Shot to shot times

- Macro mode

- Flash performance

- Burst mode performance

These points are points which often goes to the One and could be important to some people. Not saying that the S4 is bad in these points just that the One is usually a bit better. Just like in your points where the One isn't bad, just that the S4 is a bit better.

Of course YMMV but your bashing of the One seems a bit extreme in this case since both are really good cameras. From the hundreds of pics I have seen from these phones it's more and more looking like other factors than the picture quality will be the deciding factor for me since both deliver extremely good pics in most conditions. Especially compared to what I had before (OneX and S3)

I'm guessing you wanted an S4 and not the One from start ;).

Just my 2 cents. No disrespect :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
There are no burst mode or fast motion issues with the GS4. I provided the 920 vs. HTC One samples, how can you claim the One is better in darkness when you can see it's not?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Haha.. yeah I know. This is true in all dedicated deviced threads thou and the S4 threads aren't any better really :). It seems very hard to keep the objectivity generally in these threads. Everybody wants to justify their device of choise :). Maybe it's because the htc gang are outnumbered by 10 to 1 by sammy fanboys and need to keep together ;). I kid I kid...
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
I was just reading the Gizmodo review and I just laughed so hard. They dunno what is multiview they call it a shortcut to favorites apps are you kidding me?? Please do tell me they have been paid by HTC otherwise they are just plain dumb

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Dude. That's just it. Don't read it as critisism. Who is talking issues. There are no issues with the S4 burst mode or motion capture. Just like there is no issues with the Ones daylight pics (anymore). Just that one could be slightly better than the other even of both performs exceptionally well. The burst mode is quicker and more accessible on the One I thought. Maybe I'm wrong there. Fast motion is better on the One since it could have up to 5 times faster shutter in daylight. Therefore the One could capture moments of motion the S4 simply can't. I just wanted to point out that your points was based on what maybe was important to you but there are other factors worth mentioning if you want to give the complete picture.

When all factors are accounted for you can base your choise on whats important to you.

Better is subjective. Almost all reviews says the One is better in low light. From all pics I have seen (and I have seen plenty) I personally think the One is a better choise in low light. Not in all aspects but as a total package and usability in low light thats my opinion.

Please do not read this as "THE S4 SUCKS IN LOW LIGHT!! HTC ONE FTW!!" ;).

I'm still waiting for both devices to make my own real world use test. That test will only be good for me since it will be based on how I use my camera. I hope that using both will give me answers cause now both seems like really attractive cameras.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
This shot requires spot on focus, speed, burst mode and motion capture abilities, and looks pretty darn good to me.

There is an objective criteria to compare cameras over a course of testing, and using a DSLR as reference can give a winner. Sure you can pick single situations where the One does a better job, but overall the GS4 comes closer to the DSLR, and comes closer in the majority of the situation. That's enough for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Very cool picture :)

And great, I'm happy for you who have decided :) I'm still in limbo :eek:

And once again to clarify. It's NOT that the S4 can't handle quick motion or any other aspects brought up, it's just that the One can handle even quicker motion. You don't see me screaming "The One can also take daylight pics!" when all that is said that the S4 does it better. It's not black or white like that. If you want to know the strenghts and weaknesses of the devices some nitpicking will be unavoidable.

Also the S4 consistency has me a bit worried since it has been brought up as a problem with the S4 in a couple of trustworthy reviews. I'm worried that I'll have a camera that CAN take top of the line pics but sometimes misses the moment for some reason. Hope this is just a thing they have to complain about because all other is so good :). I'll let you know when I try them both. Looks like I will be getting them today or tomorrow.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Well I judged the samples myself and compared to the professional camera when reference was available, and from then on it wasn't a hard decision to make. Between the I9500 and I9505 I'd recommend the former cause it seem to capture even more detail, I'm currently in the state of figuring out why the differences. 4MP bottlenecks the whole thing for me to be honest, I'm a purist.
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
It's clear to see that there are members of both the one and sgs4 forums that are more than a little blinkered.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
shutter speeds

how fast can the SGS4 or HTC One close their shutter in a sunny day !??? anyone pull it form the EXIF data and show us here plz ! cuz i saw that the htc one shutter speeds in a sunny day was damn fast !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Here are two examples. This was taken with early software on the htc One so it's a bit underexposed. With later software the exposure is different and this could also mean that shutter times are different now. So take this for what it is.

Shutterspeeds from this cloudy day:

S4: 1/1132 s

One: 1/5495 s

I have seen the One with speeds up near 1/20.000 sec. I'll try to find those also.
[Galaxy S 4 General] newtoandroid99:
You should watch the SG4 in action doing this

I am not allowed to post links yet so you will have to copy paste

talkandroid.com/guides/samsung-galaxy-s-4-guides/how-to-take-a-drama-shot-and-erase-unwanted-objects-with-the-samsung-galaxy-s-4-camera

The SG4 captures a crazy amount of shots in a span of 5 seconds, while the One X just record 3 seconds of video. As a result the SG4 handles this along with eraser better.

I don't have the link for the HTC function in action, but it does not offer the same amount of shots to choose from to make up your action shot.

The one advantage the one has is you can take a zoe anytime and then add the eraser, or action sequence afterwards or whatever effect you want. While with the SG4 you must take the shot in the mode as you cannot add these effects afterwards.

Personally I am still debating which phone to get, but I am leaning towards the SG4 after seeing the above video, I think it does the action shots better because it takes more shots to use.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Yes that seems really cool. I don't think that the fact that you have to select "drama" before the shot on the S4 is a problem since when you take these you know what you are about to do and plan it a bit ahead. For the other modes "smile", "remove objects" etc I think the S4 way is really stupid.

Zoe: The one takes 3 sek of video together with 21 full resolution pics at the same time. Not just the video.

From what I just googled the S4 takes 100 pics in 4 seconds in drama mode. Is this really possible? Are they really full resolution and quality? If they are then thats just insanely quick work by the S4 :). That's like 0.5 gigabyte in 4 seconds in pics :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The S4 does Drama shot at 2MP.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Well I tried with my phone once and I could get a hell fast shutter speed at 1/38460 sec ! That's faster than canon 1D which can go up to 1/30000sec if am not wrong ! Am really impressed with how fast the camera can freeze the moment !
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
What's the use if you cannot spot the difference above 1/320 ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Seriously ? Well compare a fast car with shutter speed at 1/320 and shutter speed 1/38000
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
1/320..How do you mean? There is no limit in shutterspeed from which you stop seeing a differnce. Just depends on the motif.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
That is highly unlikely.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Hmmmm what do u mean ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Ah.. that explains it :). To bad thou. But it will work for webb etc and that's mostly my use case. I could have settled for 50 pics in 4 mp. 100 seems very excessive seeing what the one can do with it's 20 frames.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Physics. 1/38460s on an 1/3" sensor would mean a dark photo even into the Sun. Plus it's professional grade speed, no phone camera can pull that off. EXIF data gets messed up every now and then. But let's see it! :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
well I won't let u doubt let me show u the goodness ;)

Here's the pic I shot and the EXIF data for it ! Amazing huh !?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I don't doubt the EXIF info, but the ability. Even better compacts top outaround 1/4000. It's possible that the shot is actually 1/3846. Over 1/10000 is DSLR territory. Can you upload it to an image sharing site?
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Well give some minutes cuz am driving now will post link shortly

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http://db.tt/vELa6qgx

That's the link
[Galaxy S 4 General] Unrivalled:
Please tell me moar about how S4 camera is far better than HTC One camera. :)

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/0...tc-one-comparing-megapixels-with-ultrapixels/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
This is 1/3846 directly into the sun. Just an extra 0 in your EXIF. It is still very impressive.

http://pic.pimg.tw/kocpc/1364732202-2884826604.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Interesting. I actually think the Ones pics are better than the S4 (except the oranges wich look strange on the one but the S4 was not very sharp instead). According to the comments the sky was clear blue, the flowers white, and the "trashed box" was "mint" whatever that should look like. Why doesn't the S4 pick up the blue sky?

And earlier in this thread we saw the One casting a small color tint on objecs but in this case it's the S4 doing it (flower for example).

I more and more feel you can't go wrong with either of these phones which is good I guess :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Hmmm actually I dont agree with u ! Why would the EXIF put extra 0 ? When there's some shots that are actually 1/3846 sec ! And I have another pic at 1/12000 ! I believe that's the real shutter speed not only EXTRA 0 !!!!!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Well, if I point my One near the sun it usually does around 1/20,000 second exposures. I squeezed a little water out of a shirt to test.

f/2.0

ISO 136

1/19231 second
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Interesting. Between 1/3846 and 1/38460 into the sun (suspiciously similar numbers) the latter captures 1/10th of the light. The 1/3846 would make sense cause that's around where compact cameras top out, and again 1/40000 through such a small lens means extremely little light, but hey, it looks like several Ones pull that EXIF, not gonna argue against it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
That's really soo good damn shot ! And I believe the EXIF data is 100% true that camera is really fast

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Believe me it's not extra 0 I have an pro Dslr and I know really well bout Exif data and that's definitely real shutter speed ! Not extra zero
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
It could be adding an extra digit. Who knows? 1/1923 would probably be fast enough to stop water like that as well. Either way, it's pretty quick.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Very good photo.

What I am interested is how phones have such amazing exposure time. I know there is no physical shutter. It's just allowing signals to pass through for a specific period of time. My FF DSLR only allows to go till 1/8000.

I have a doubt if the EXIF data is correct. There is already a known issue with HTC One's ISO value in Exif.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Never doubted your word, but I doubt a phone camera could pull a shutter speed a professional $7.000 DSLR such as the EOS-1DX can't with a 20 times larger sensor. I very much call an 1/3" unit pulling a usable shot on ISO200 at 1/38460s a photographic and technological impossibility.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
LOL u know photographing sun can cause sensor burn in

BTW my N2 in bright day can go up to 1/2000 and maybe 1/3000 sec :D

edit : from my GS2 :p

edit:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Well don't stop there, share the photo! (via external site so we can read EXIF).
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
http://minus.com/lbxjhGFDX9dI24 :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] newtoandroid99:
Ouch, that's a buzz kill if I ever saw one. The pics still look pretty good from what I have seen on the web. What does the HTC one do them at?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
4MP, its full resolution.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
The One doesn't just record video when you take a Zoe. It captures 20 4MP shots in 4 seconds AND 3 seconds of 1080p video when you take a Zoe. You can then choose up to 5 shots from those 20 to create an action / drama shot. So 4 vs. 5 second action shots, not 3 vs. 5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It's about bandwidth limitations. I'm sure there's an app out there that can replicate the drama mode at higher resolution, but at slower frame rate. It's a compromise either way.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marmarm:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/smartphones/22096/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-camera
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
HMM actually the sound recording on GS4 very good

[YOUTUBE]PmxOpST9A5k[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]uQmGtKUQTPs[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]gexFceff0uc[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]3xjnDTotOK4[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Are there difference in firmware/camera module between Exynos and Qualcomm model??

I wasn't that much convinced previously, but looking at new samples over last couple of days and comparing them to the samples posted in this thread from Exynos version I think there is some difference.

The latest samples doesn't look sharp enough, colours are bit off and probably more noise.

Waiting for confirmation on sensor used in both models.

Wonder something similar happening also with audio??
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Bass quality on HTC One is far superior to S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Another comparison:

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/teleph...axy-s4-meilleur-photophone-marche-n29266.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
As it should be, since it is using the microphone from the Pureview (I have one, took some concert footage at Black Sabbath last weekend, awesome sound). I'll be interesting to take Padfone Infinity, HTC One, S4, XZ and Pureview 808 to a Tool gig in a couple of weeks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Well, not for long haha.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
LOL , true story :D