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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
There are two different points in your question. I decide what's best for me based on what device meets my criteria best. Last year it was the Teg3 One X. But my personal choice has no bearing on whether the company or product I choose is successful. But here's the rub. "The best selling device" obviously earns that title because more people think it's "best for them." And it doesn't matter whether they were brainwashed in to thinking that through marketing, follow their friends who have them like sheep, or that others think they made the wrong choice because in their opinion a better choice was available.

The One can be the best built, highest performing, most liked phone on XDA and still be a commercial failure. Being “best for one fifth of the high-end smartphone market” like last year would be a failure based on HTC’s own estimates of needing to sell 20MM units in 2013 for them to prove they can still be a viable and relevant competitor . If it hits the 20MM necessary for Peter to keep his job it’ll be a success. Anything less is a failure based on HTC's own setting of the goal. As for the SGS4 all it needs to do for Samsung is continue the same sales pace the SGS3 achieved. A far less risky goal to meet with far less dramatic impact to them as a company if they don’t .
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
We've beaten on phone "s/w features" to death. Here's some off-phone stuff I use that (I think) is pretty cool. Would life end if my next device didn't have it? No. Would I miss it? Yes.

Samsung Dive not only helps you locate your phone or wipe it if it's lost stolen it also allows you to forward calls and MMS to another device temporarily. I have a 3G Note 10.1 and sometimes when I don't want to carry it and my N2 and don't expect to make or receive a lot calls I'll forward my N2 to it.

There's a new feature in KIesAir that allows you to send and receive text messages via your device from your PC. It also alerts you to incoming calls and allows you to ignore them or ignore them with a message. I send and receive ten times more MMS than voice calls and think it's really cool. And KiesAir uses very little battery when it's active.
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
That's good but u could achieve that and more with a well thought out tasker project

Meaning u could get it on any any android device

But having it pre-installed and already optimized with proper integration would be good to ;)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You can probably replicate almost any s/w feature any manufacturer provides through third party stuff from Play. But it's never as well integrated and can affect performance. For example, Awake stay is a pretty common sense function. Rather than screwing around with setting screen time outs or having to touch the display to keep it awake, a piece of s/w tracks your eyes. I tried every third party solution available for my One X and either they didn't work right, kept the device awake, drained the battery or some combination of the three. I use NFC tasker but stopped using Tasker because of the battery drain the stuff I wanted it to do most wasn't worth the benefit. That obviously isn't universal. So, at least to me, it's the difference between a car coming with a sunroof from the factory and a third party body shop cutting a whole in your roof to install one after the fact. The former is always going to be the better and less expensive option.
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
Your profiles probaly weren't thought out right I never experienced battery drain and better battery stats never flagged it

But to use your car analogy a better analogy would be you buying a factory made car with zero influence as opposed to having the ability to select each individual component of your car then having it custom made in that case the latter would be better for you all the time since well u made it.

I prefer tasker because u have so much control and are not limited to one app I.e you can use the features present in another app e.g

Screen standby (needs root)

this app has the ability to simulate a screen off while still maintaining full touchscreen functionality (basically your phone thinks it's on) you can completely shut your screen off and buttons backlight it is intended for people who use hdmi yet your phone stays on while using the television to browse it means that you can stimulate a screen off with tasker and the would be thief wouldn't know what's going on this is great if you are going to be emulating screen presses or if you don't want the attacker to turn your phone off as no matter how good the app is it won't function if the guy just turns off your phone this can be remedied by him thinking it's already off

There are many other examples really only limited by your imagination meaning that no matter what you will have a phone recovery profile for you

Also stock isn't always better

Quikpic>Stock gallery

Any stripped down or beefed up launcher (based on your needs)> Stock launcher :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Plastic rules! ;) They didn't asign a hard score to the N2 but rated its disassembly as "easy." I'm guessing replacing a display out of warranty isn't going to make One owners too happy when the bill comes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
Tends to be the price you pay for designs like that.

I've never been one to fix my own hardware in a small phone though so I don't mind it. I'm sure it's important to a few though
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
I have only every used low end smartphones and feature phones but if I'm paying that much I expect longevity and ability to fix things when they go wrong let's say your battery gets overloaded then u need a new phone when a new battery is so cheap? OP might want to take this into consideration

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[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
I suppose the solution is simple, don't drop your phone.

I've been using smartphones since the iPhone 3G and I've yet to drop one hard enough for it to leave permanent damage.

I can't deny the One is a repair nightmare, and as an engineer I completely agree that the design is surprisingly impractical in that respect, but from the same point of view the lack of imagination in Samsung's design disappoints me even more.

Neither of them are perfect designs, anyone who says they are is just in denial.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Both phone's designs are a sacrifice. HTC decided in advance that appearance and materials were core to the One's design and packaging around it resulted in the lowest possible reparability score. Which, warranty or not, is going to cost owners more should they drop it and need it repaired. If HTC One repair costs for insurance claims are going to be twice that of similar devices expect SquareTrade and others to come up with a higher fee schedule or deductible to offset their costs. And here’s the thing about the metal unibody of the One. A TPU case won’t prevent anything but surface damage. It’s pretty clear from the drop test that the body of the One warps because it absorbs the complete brunt of a big impact with nothing else to dissipate the shock over.

Samsung's forsaken design or certainly made it a low priority in exchange for production cost savings, reparability, sharing of components and design between devices, and easier to hit assembly tolerances.

So it comes down to the pretty phone that's easy to damage and expensive to repair or the more utilitarian phone that less likely to be damaged and cheaper to repair. The utilitarian design also throws in a bonus of a removable battery and expandable storage as part of its design. And choices are always good. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] The-Captain:
Thread Cleaned...

This is a GS4 vs One features

discussion

thread not a place for argument and other discussion that does not belong here.

Keep it on-topic and be sure not to offend anyone. Should it continue this thread will be closed and appropriate action taken if necessary.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RusherDude:
Delete FM radio from the S4 list.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
Well I would assume that HTC would be able to replace the battery and probably even your carrier store. If not then fine they can give me a new phone. I don't mind.

Using an iPhone, iPod and EVO 4G LTE (non removable devices) I've never had to replace my battery. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it's not like it's an everyday thing for most people.

But the GS4 method is SO much more convenient if it ever does happen.

Trade offs
[Galaxy S 4 General] Will.1:
I think the S4 has more to it in terms of guts and features, but in all honesty, i feel like having .2Ghz more to the processor or whatever will have no impact at all for most users just browsing the web, texting etc.

It's all about the optimization of the device anyways, i doubt people will react like "wow, i can really feel like i'm lacking a couple hundred megahertz to the processor and that DDR3 instead of DDR2 memory" let's be honest here.

On the other hand, SD card and removable battery are imo big deals, especially the SD Card, so convenient. Multi Window feature is also really nice, they did a good job with that. Many gestures are pretty useless though, i'm also curious about the hover function if devs can make something out of it. I mean, come on... hovering over the time bar in a video to see a preview of what's to come ??? really ? Same goes with the gallery, why bother with hovering and not touch the damn thing... It could be useful for emails and texts though. Again, I feel like a lot will depend on the devs and how creative they can get.

It's a shame they pulled an Apple and didn't focus on the design of the phone. Just like my S3 it looks and feels very cheap, but I guess that's good for the younger crowds and less careful people. There's no denying the HTC One looks much better, no comparison in my view but hey, apples and oranges.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
You just pretty much said exactly what I think when I'm comparing these phones every time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
Some of the gesture stuff turns me off. I already find some web pages hard to use because hovering my mouse brings up menus that block the thing I wanted. But the samsung style of giving you lots of options appeals to me, as does the multi window thing.

I thought I needed a replaceable battery, but I never use it with this phone, (photon) and both of these seem to have adequate power. Both are large enough that I won't need to expand the storage.

Really, I think the samsung is a better fit for me, but every time I look at the htc i want it. And I spend a lot of time looking at my phone. I think I will have to handle both in person beefier I decide.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Goku80:
hmmm you are forgetting one thing though....it is not actually us the average joe who will be opening the phone up and repairing it, it is actually the repair centers that we send the phone out to if we ever needed to...they have the necessary equipment and they are trained to open these cases with ease...so your point here is rather "pointless"...
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Well the great thing is you can turn every feature off if you don't use them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ronak47:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzR2CwmahZk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
ok. so?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ronak47:
There is no so... If there was a need for one I would have included one!

The video was for reference to help people with their comparisons.

Fact of the matter is that they are both great handsets. Kudos to HTC for releasing a phone that can go toe to toe with Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Euthye:
Can't vote, ALL of the above apply to me lol.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jedi2011:
GSMarena have compared the two phones head to head...

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Very, very, true. Based on h/w and tech specs the One and SGS4 are pretty evenly matched. If HTC put removable storage and a replaceable battery in the One causing them to use a plastic design similar to the SGS4 would people (other than devout Samsung haters) be so interested in it? The biggest physical differences then would be LCD vs. AMOLED and a bigger 5" display vs. dual speakers. Design, which is both subjective and emotional, is what's swaying people toward the One. And kudos to HTC for coming up with a design so compelling as to make people think twice about Samsung this year. But design aside, the SGS4 just plain offers more than the One. What that "more" means depends on how you use your phone. That Samsung made the SGS4 smaller, lighter, and thinner than the SGS3 with a larger battery and bigger display is just as big a feat of engineering as introducing an aluminum unibody design. But different things matter to different people and it's still going to come down to the "design" of the One vs. the "features" of the SGS4 in the masses purchasing decision.

I find the discussion of whether it matters how a phone fares when you drop it fascinating. A bunch of people have said the answer's simple - "don't drop your phone." I can't speak for others but it matters to me because I do drop my phone. And if it were noticeably scratched I'd get it repaired because carrying it around that way would drive me nuts. And I'm sure I can't be the only one that feels that way. And how many posts on every device forum do you see about screens cracking? So at least some percentage of people must drop their phones and by their *****ing about what happens when they do durability is somewhat important; at least to some people.

The One deforms when it drops. That's a bigger deal than its reparability as lightweight cases that don't hide the design which a lot of people will use won't protect it because it’s how the unibody deals with heavy impact. I guess whether it’s a big deal or not depends on how people feel about carrying around a warped phone; it's not something that's ever had to be considered in the past. And we know there's a bunch of people that never drop their phones so it won't matter to them at all. ;) But you can't talk about the One's "fantastic design" without taking in to account what the impact is to durability and longevity to people that care about those things. I sell my old phones to buy new ones and keeping them pristine is what helps fund my future purchases. What do you think a phone like the one pictured below will bring on eBay or CL? The Audi A8 when introduced was the first "all-aluminum" car. It didn't have aluminum uni-bumpers; they were plastic and separated from the aluminum unibody of the car. That wasn't accidental.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Goku80:
but here we are talking about two different things now....on your previous post you was talking about repair-ability and you posted a screenshot that said that the ONE was the hardest to open up and repair...my reply to you though was, who really from the average joe is going to actually open up there phone..very minimum percentage...the rest will send it to the repair centers who actually know what they are doing...so my response to that, was so what if the One is harder to open up due to is different body shell compare to the S4...it is not us the consumer who will open it it is the manufacturer..Hence why your post to me was pointless...I still would take the quality of the One over the S4 anyday...

Now regarding to dropping contests..Correct yeah the S4 is more durable..Hell it is plastic...But again i would not swap premium quality for cheap quality....

Longetivity...I know the One will last me just as long as the S4 would as i know i would be careful on how i use my phone...Not everyone is clumsy and throws their phone here there and everywhere
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
My bad. In the discussion on the One forum I talked about deformation. I forgot I hadn't brought it up here. ;)

While it may be different between the One and SGS4, people pay more on the second-hand market for Samsung phones than HTC phones which would certainly indicate they're fine with Samsung's design choices (not saying you should be). I lost more selling my One X than I did any phone I've sold previously. I bring this up because everyone keeps attacking Samsung's "plastic" but yet more people buy their phones, they are more durable, and sell better second-hand. The world's mad I tell you. HTC's gotten it right all along and it's the masses that are wrong. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Goku80:
but then again you are forgetting the Iphone...The iphone has better premium quality build and still holds it's value even when selling second hand. And again it is what all comes down to...Marketing...Both companies are well known due to the aggressive style of marketing they have and hence why they are all over to the masses...HTC..Not so much until now....I would not be surprised to see this time next year the One having more value than the S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] mang0:
I wouldn't mistake popularity for superior build quality. Samsung has some ridiculous marketing going on. I do find it humorous, though, when people pay the same (or higher) price for a phone made of plastic, when aluminum is obviously the more expensive, premium material.

That said, I would consider polycarbonate more durable due to the flexibility factor. It's always a toss up between what you like and how you use the phone. I've never had a problem with the plastic that Samsung uses, but some people just like aluminum more than polycarbonate. Otherwise, why would people spend the extra money to get an aluminum (i.e.) Macbook vs. polycarbonate? (first example off the top of my head; meh iOS)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You're right. Resale value comes down to desirability. I sold my one x for about the same as my sgs3, and it sold faster than my sgs3 or note 2.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Why is a phone with a completely different OS, different means of obtaining content, has a cult following, and that's completely different in every way from screen size to accessories comparable to an Android phone? And for the same reasons people seek out an iPhone in the first place and pay ultra-premium prices to get one is the reason it holds its value so well. Resale value's determined by demand. There was more demand in the first place for iPhone's and SGS3's which is why there's more demand on the second-hand market; no matter what their made of. Add to that since iPhone's are succeptible to damage, pristine examples hold their value incredibly well while bargain hunters pay considerably less for those with scratches on the aluminum and/or damage to the display. Maybe there will be two-tiered pricing for used One's also.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Best to wait to see how much used One's sell for later on. You guys can bookmark this thread on this page, then come back later on with links, and show the other who's boss. Sound good guys?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Does it really matter why people buy Samsung devices when their buying them in record numbers? Even if the masses are brainwashed by marketing the end result is the same. And those that use that argument may as well kiss HTC (and LG, Sony, and Motorola) goodbye. Because you're basically saying that no matter how good a product is it doesn't matter because people make their decisions based on what their TV tells them to do. Marketing can only prop up crappy products for a finite period of time.

Marketing alone isn't responsible for Samsung's success; their products have resonated with the market. And their formula now has a proven track record. HTC going their own way (again) by placing even more emphasis on design and continuing to omit comparable features. And with a $400MM (vs.Samsung's $12B) marketing budget they have a tough road to hoe no matter how pretty the One is or how trick UltraPixels and BoomSound are. The One vs. SGS4 sales contest is the same as last year's with the bar being raised by both phones with both HTC and Samsung focusing on "more" of the same things they focused on last year. Samsung's backing their decisions up with a proven record of success and market acceptance. HTC? Well time will tell if what they amped up this year's enough to change the sales outcome.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rushless:
Having a card slot and battery options makes the S4 trump the One for me. I prefer giving my business to companies that offer this, rather than the Apple wannabes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mang0:
The general population does make their decisions based on what their TV tells them. Or what their sales rep tells them. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Funnily enough, when I went in to buy the One today, the salesperson didn't know much about it (being the first day of release in Ireland), but when I pointed it out in the catalogue, she said "OMG, that phone is meant to be amazing!".

Made me wonder who told her that and whether she would have the same enthusiasm when an undecided customer comes in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mang0:
Well, if she gets paid commission, I would hope so! :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Not sure if this has been posted yet but here is gsmarena's full review of the Samsung Galaxy S IV

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
How much do you think Samsung's paying for this? For those outside the U.S., Best Buy is by far the largest electronics and mobile device reseller in the country. So while the SGS4 will be showcased in it's own studio with trick lighting, hip music, and specially trained (and cash incentivized) staff a "dummy" sample of the One will sit lonely and tethered to an end-cap with the "other" phones. Who said "money can't buy you love." ;)

"Congratulations, Samsung — Best Buy is honoring you with a distinction that it’s previously only given to Apple. Unnamed sources have told Geek.com that some Best Buy locations are planning to cordon off separate areas in their stores to exclusively sell Samsung products. Geek.com says that “this new section will be dressed in large Samsung signage and offer custom demo stations for many of Samsung’s products” and that Best Buy “will be issuing special training sessions for employees in the mobile department, focusing heavily on how to show off Samsung-specific features.” The installation of special in-house Samsung “stores” are timed to coincide with the launch of the Galaxy S4, which is widely expected to be one of the best-selling smartphones of 2013".​
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Just finished reading the Galaxy S 4 review, i'm honestly impressed by the phone. It has SO many features that even the most techie person might be lost lol.

- A phone with the same size ( actually very slightly smaller) than the S3 and yet with a bigger removable battery, bigger screen, lighter and thinner...

-The speakers are very loud according to gsmarena, even louder than the HTC One

"Now that we have a final hardware unit in the office we decided to redo the loudspeaker test and for good reason too. The I9505 Galaxy S4 we tested prior to this one managed an Average result, while this one captured a Good one. It's extremely loud and even managed to slightly top the HTC One's dual front speakers. While the One produces deeper sound the Galaxy S4 is louder. You can find more about the testing process here"

- The video player is top notch

- The call quality is excellent

- " the display offers image quality like no other smartphone on the market" Gsmarena

There's too much to quote lol. Simply amazing phone!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I think a lot of the conclusions that were drawn from pre-production units were made a bit too fast. The first leaked pics from the unveiling and China looked horrible, MobileArena said call quality sucked, and GSMArena's early unit performed differently in sound tests. That's why I'm not reading much in to the Octa tests published in Russian. The SGS4's speakers are twice the size of the N2's so you'd kind of expect them to at least hold their own. And to throw some love HTC's s way they've already announced a major s/w update for the camera so perhaps it'll improve its performance enough for reviewers to re-test it.