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[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
Yeah, I agree with your assessment, though I think Basil also brought up a fantastic point, which I had not noticed.

I didn't take it as a slander at all. It's funny how sensitive people are to the others' perceptions that they are out to attack something, or whatever. I'm a grown adult, I don't need my camera to be better than your camera in order to feel good about my camera. I just call them like I see them. I have not gotten the impression from you're out to slander or demean the One, either.

My observation was what it was, just that the only difference I see between the two photos is the sharpness. I think they'd look the same if the one from the One was softened up, but I could be wrong. I believe the sharpness can be set manually, if I'm not mistaken.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
It IS debatable. Depends on the sensor and processing. More megapixels just means it would take a LARGER picture. Has nothing to do with detail.

Sent from my HTC One X
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
I sent my htc one back today. I was not impressed with the photos it took but was impressed what the phone could do with those photos.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
My bad. I used a ten cent word when I could have used something like "didn't mean to put the One at a disadvantage." Slander was shorter though. I didn't get upset when you assumed I've never been in a dark club. ;)

Excellent point (the quality of the sensor). ST Microelectronics makes gyro sensors for Apple but I couldn't find any device that uses their CMOS. OmniVision, HTC's second supplier, used to supply Apple with camera sensors until 2012 when they moved to Sony.

The SGS4 uses a Sony Exmor RS sensor.

Here's something interesting about it.

The ‘RGBW coding’ function can capture sharp, clear images even when filmed or photographed in low light conditions, such as a dark room or at night by featuring W (white) pixels in addition to conventional RGB (red-green-blue) pixels, and leveraging Sony’s proprietary device technology and signal processing to heighten sensitivity without compromising its high resolution.​

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201208/12-107E/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You're hilarious. You've said multiple times that you're sending your One back. Are you hoping eventually someone is going to thank your post, or tell you your awesome? :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I thanked yours LMAO
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Right back at ya :p

Personally, I can't wait until we have regular users with both devices in their hands, taking regular everyday shots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
One vs. GS4 vs. Infinity vs. Z comparison, the HTC and Samsung come out on top. Between the two the S4 usually does the better white balance and exposure job, but it looks like the updated One improved to close the gap.

Things are similar in proper indoors conditions (the S4 is the 4:3, the One is the widescreen)

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_5c981325e99c62bbf270fedab1178546ori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_afb0705b5e9734aa4fe53c2e6f54e7e7ori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_14e0cf10715d86481f780ed4e76d559aori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_1ad7a96263f6b62ea2962de35d072517ori.jpg

In lower light however the S4 seem to capture a wider range of colors, the One is a bit underexposed

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_788253b6d335728b56d4e84c0b22de55ori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_7fc06ac164cc99e2ac2a714b0d3d72eaori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_71be147efa8a089548c4cce410538b6aori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_31c331b97b41e8428069612f307ff9aaori.jpg

In dark conditions the One has more noise

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_c7f587d918bc2d8d57ca2eb49db9c3e3ori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_f8bf3286775ba4f0a1f948aef051eac5ori.jpg

In night outside, the S4 seem to get the colors better

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_a743006d414ed094d0f4867fb86c704dori.jpg

http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile...4_124_eb0c120e05331fc68e406f917aa9f7eaori.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Yeah that guy has been trolling here with that for a while now. I'm getting sick of seeing his name pop up in threads followed by one of his idiotic posts.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Think the Taiwanese dislike the Koreans much? ;) It's a TW website and asks users to vote their choice as "best." The XZ performed horribly (again) and the TW audience voted it ahead of the Korean SGS4. They must not like Asus very much even though they’re a Taiwanese company because the PadFone was clearly better than the XZ and got far fewer votes.

P.S. - Samsung holds 29% of the TW smartphone market and they'll buy about 9MM devices this year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marmarm:
Didnt expect such a great result in low light from galaxy s4....dont understand how is possible that one has so much noise in that low light picture and galaxy s4 looks almost noise free...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It comes down to what you are shooting and what can the BSI sensor handle. In absolute zero lights the One is holding the edge due to a slightly wider aperture and longer exposure time, while the Lumia does even better. In low but some lights however, as seen in the PhoneArena test, the S4 comes fairly close to the DSRL with some noise, while the Lumia and the HTC experience exposure inconsistencies. No light is the S4 killer, but that's rarely a photo subject and a proper machine is adviced for that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kelvintisw:
Well,

I'm holding HTC One X now, and I'm very disappointed with the new HTC One!

Therefore, I'm upgrading to S4 which in my opinion, way better than HTC One! :good::)

Bye bye, HTC, after 2 years with HTC!:angel:
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
Thanks for the comparison, my Padfone Infinity may be shipping to me today, so nice to actually see a comparison with it - a very credible performance. Will pore over the pictures properly later on...
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
I really could not care if you hit a button that says thanks. I was just sharing the fact I purchased the htc one used the camera for almost a week and thought it was pretty poor compared to the pics posted here.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
This won't make HTC's life any easier if true. If Apple joins the "high MP" club I'd expect them to hype the hell out of it as providing "more detail" than previous iPhone cameras. The OG Pro's being unveiled on May 1 and it has a 13MP camera. So far every high-end phone released this year (XZ, XZL, OG Pro, SGS4) has a high MP camera. Not arguing whether it's better or not; just that HTC has a tough road to hoe being the conscientious objector in convincing the masses that "less is more."

The anticipated next iPhone, although itself still not fully emigrated from rumorland, is expected to feature an improved camera sensor compared to the one found on the current Apple flagship. The iPhone 5 features an 8MP camera sensor with an f/2.4 aperture, hybrid IR filter, and backside illumination. A source working for Wonderful Saigon Electrics, the manufacturer that makes Apple's camera modules, alleges that the next iPhone (which is referred to as iPhone 5S) will come with an updated 12MP camera, complete with improved shooting under low-light conditions and HDR support. Apple is under increased pressure as of late with recent Android flagships like the HTC One and Samsung Galaxy S4 expected to quickly steal marketshare from its iOS platform. The Cupertino giant needs to produce a device that will really raise some eyebrows, and an updated camera sensor may be one of the ingredients it needs.​

http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_5s_to_supposedly_feature_a_12mp_camera-news-5862.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
It is fairly easy to please the average consumer, it is basically a numbers game and the greater number always wins in consumers eyes. "Oh that phone has a 4MP while the other one has a 13MP, I guess I know which one I want"

Apple does this numbers thing all the time, just look at any iPhone release.
[Galaxy S 4 General] iraqgsm:
Mod. edit: please post on topic !
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Not surprising. There are a few people here at XDA and other websites I'd expect could very well be involved.
[Galaxy S 4 General] scott14719:
I agree, not surprising at all. Most large corporation are involved in similar acts, it's just part of them doing business. They just pay the fines and let it go by. Pepsi, Coke, fast food chains, they all do similar stuff, they just don't all get caught. I wonder if people think those "blind taste tests" are really blind? It's just another example of why people shouldn't completely trust reviews and need to use common sense when making decisions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Nokia N95 back in 2007 actually had bigger pixel size for any mobile camera. It had a 5MP 1/2.5-inch sensor with 2.2 micron pixel. So what HTC did isn't something totally new.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
The S4 low light is really impressive. It's not hard to get good low light images thou if you keep the shutter open longer. The thing is that many tests are performed in controlled environments and not a real world use cases. The thing I would like to see is tests in low light of people and siutations where you can't get yourself or your object to be completely still (or use tripods as used in many tests). Longer shutter times in these situation will give good light and little noise but often ruin the image due to blurry pictures. Look att the lumia 920 pics when the subjects are moving. Blurry as hell due to long exposure times. The ois is only good for correcting camera shake.

The S4 seems to have great low light quality in many situations but I would really like to see the result in real life conditions. I know it's hard for reviewers to do this fairly but I can dream can't I :) ? I couldn't find any shutter times in their S4 picture information to compare it with. It seems the One had exposure times in the low light around 1/12 of a second which shows the low light mode wasn't used (you have to select it manually). If the S4 is close to those numbers and gives the quality it showed in low light it is really impressive!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The S4 does 1/14s the longest of samples I've seen, but in several no-light situations the Night Mode is an improvement so it is possible it has longer shutter time there. In any case I hope you'll be able to manually select 1/8, 1/5 and 1/3 with a 3rd party app. I can hold 1/8 very steady, and that would improve the S4's no-light performance, where the disadvantage is clear as the 920 and One can do slower shots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Yes holding still is one thing, making others stand still is the difficult part. That's why I'm curious of the shutter times in low light. That's why I want results from parties, restaurants, kids etc in low light. Those are the pics and situations I have a problem with right now with my phone camera. My hope is that one or both of these cameras can handle those situations well.

it would be really cool to be able to select shutter time but often I don't have time to when want to capture a moment. Thats why I want short ones by default. But it would be great for those composed night pics and to play around with :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] frensel:
it made me laugh that some taiwanese suspect that the photos of s4 were captured by DSLR.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Anything longer than 1/60s will be problematic with movement of the subject, even professional machines must use flash during these situations. It's more of a photography issue than a phone one, but such small camera units make it worse. I attended this tennis event a few weeks back with a fairly decent compact shooter, and could not set ISO value high enough to keep the exposure short with sufficient brightness. Subject must be stationary in low-light.
[Galaxy S 4 General] frensel:
although s4 performs much better than htc one in good-light condition, htc one is better at capturing "stopping motion" according to anandtech since its exposure time is extremely short.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Anandtech has not tested the S4 yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
Yep, this.

Even my GH3 can't go high enough on ISO to freeze motion in moderately low light settings with relatively fast glass (F/2.8), and that can ramp the ISO up to 12800. Phones have ZERO chance in equivalent settings. I just got a Voigtlander F/0.95 aperture lens, so will be interesting to see how much better it might manage in those settings.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Hehe.. yeah I know I can't expect miracles :) , but I have seen the difference between phones in this regard and what a faster shutter can mean in bad light (and in good light also). Since bad light is far from the ideal setting for a camera phone any improvement in this regard is important to me and the situations I use the camera on my phone. All pics will probably have a little blur, but any advantage in this regard could mean the difference between usable and unusable. To get a usable picture in any situation is the most important thing to me (that includes fast startup of the camera, fast shutter, good light sensitivity and fast focus). If there is no difference in this regard I'll just go with the phone with the best picture quality (color and detail etc) which is second most important factor for me.

Can't wait to get them both to try them out against each other.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
And how did that work out for them? ;)

The situation that the mods removed from this thread isn't at all what it's being made out to be and it happened a year ago. Since it was removed once its not approprtiate to discuss it here. But you can learn more about the Taiwanese attitude toward non-Taiwanese phone manufacturers and the particular incident being referenced here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40111233&postcount=481

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40116724&postcount=484

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40371119&postcount=9
[Galaxy S 4 General] SooooneR:
Pathetic!

I think we know where IPMANWCK came from. Especially if you look at all of his post! hahaha Busted!

http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2013/04/samsung-has-admitted-to-hiring-people-to-badmouth-htc/
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Do any of you here honestly think Samsung gives two craps about what HTC does or doesn't do? They have 4% market share which is below LG, Sony, and Motorola. Why would Samsung risk their global reputation trying to harm a competitor that, when left alone, does more harm to themselves than anyone else could possibly inflict? Prior to launch, HTC said they needed to sell 20MM One's this year to make last year's revenue numbers which were below the year before. The latest analyst coverage shows their going to hit production of 2MM units a month in May. So with March at 500K units and April at 1MM units, that means the most they'll be able to sell this year is 17.5MM. So they've missed their target before the SGS4 even launches. And with no help from Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
[YOUTUBE]uP8NMwMoExw[/YOUTUBE]

:cool::cool::cool:

focus better and faster on GS4

sound recording better on GS4

stabilization better on GS4

WB better on GS4

exposure better on GS4

:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
judging from this the S4 is much better
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Just thought to compare the actual aperture diameter of GS4 and HTC One.

Turns out that both have almost same lens opening.

GS4 = 4.2/2.2 = 1.91

One = 3.82/2.0 = 1.91

So, I don't think the argument of 'more light' because of bigger aperture is necessarily true for HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Interesting. Doesn't both have 4mm focal length?

I'd love to see the raw originals for this comparison. Is there an article that analyzes the two cameras? Can't see to find on Mobile-Review site, maybe they are writing it right now.

Which one is the GS4 audio and which one is the One? In their previous comparison the S4 won the video but the One the audio race.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Neither one was bad. The SGS4 did have some trouble focusing about 75% through the vid when the fence was in the foreground. The colors seems a bit more vivid on the One but I don't know if that means they are more realistic. The One should do better with audio simply because of the extra h/w HTC provides. The One does have trouble with scenes that aren't evenly it. The FOV thing has me thinking that, based on the way I typically shoot video, the narrower FOV and being able to get more in the frame (without zooming) would probably suit me better.

Here's an audio comparison of the One vs. SGS3 done be Swedroid who's reviews I like.

[YOUTUBE]xktiKUbVW2k[/YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]sEfjF4NmA9w[/YOUTUBE]

Here's an outside video they shot.

[YOUTUBE]4QP7azJcIwk[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Not really. HTC focal length is shorter, hence the wider FOV. 28mm vs 31mm (35mm eqv.) as a result of this.

If I recall correctly, GS3 had a 3.7mm lens.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
Thanks for the vids. I'm really impressed with the audio recording abilities of the One. The level of base that it can capture really is pretty amazing. It wouldn't surprise me to see bootleggers using nothing but the One to capture audio at concerts, honestly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
EXIF info says 4mm for both, Anandtech says 3.82 for the One though. The leaked S4 samples showed 4.2mm in EXIF but the samples I'm checking now show 4mm.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Something interesting I noticed now. Not sure how to interpret that.

I am checking the photos from one of your earlier posts:

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/tal...16gb-801e-新-HTC-One-New-HTC-One-新一-M7-review/

If I check the Exif data through ExifTool GUI or through http://regex.info/, the focal length are shown as 3.8mm and 4.2 mm.

If I simply check the image properties in Windows explorer details tab, both shows 4mm focal length!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I think you are right, dedicated EXIF readers show 3.8mm and 4.2mm. So both units capture similar amount of light.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
we are comparing GS4 vs ONE :silly:

not GS3 ( and GS3 has known problem with recording low frequencies sound )

here Gnote2 sound rec which better than GS3 and IP5 ( IP5 seems don't rec low frequencies too :eek: )

[YOUTUBE]xQzmw0_wklo[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]Zx15mwGalag[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
So having flipped through most of this topic, it seems the Galaxy S4 photos have been covered in pretty much every condition, from many angles, with multiple shots using multiple different settings alongside the HTC One. But....I still can't tell what the consensus is. Is the Galaxy S4 the best overall camera? Does it perform closely to the HTC One in low light conditions, enough that it gives it the edge when factoring in all other conditions? Is it still the smart thing for phone developers to focus on increasing Megapixel size instead of jumping to ultra-pixel? Or is it a case of one device having poor software/driver support that can be remedied?
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
If you're looking for a consensus, you're going to be holding your breath for a really long time.

:laugh:

If (between the two) I could have only one camera for the rest of my life, I'd take the GS4, for the extra detail. But since I can take a real camera with me on my rare vacations and such, and the overwhelming majority of my photos get posted on facebook and forgotten about, the cameras are basically a draw, for my purposes.

Not from what I've seen.

The GS4 is probably closer in low light conditions to the One than the One is to the GS4, in terms of daylight detail. But again, imo they are both large gaps. But there are also other advantages to the One to consider, such as its ability to capture motion.

That's an interesting question. I'd like to think that in the next iteration of the One, HTC will be able to up it to maybe 6 or so MP and still capture the same amount of light per pixel. We'll see.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
The general consensus is that the GS4's camera is the best over all in the game right now. Even trading blows with the HTC One in low light.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
The few "low light" photos that I've seen compared side by side with the One, the GS4 does a great job illuminating the things in the photo that are... already illuminated. Look at the most recent set of photos that have earned the GS4 praise:

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/tal...16gb-801e-新-HTC-One-New-HTC-One-新一-M7-review/

The street in the GS4 is well lit and captured, but the surrounding buildings are far darker than the other 3 photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I don't understand your post.. Are you saying the GS4 doesn't trade blows with the One in low light, or are you agreeing with me?
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
Well, let's take a crop at of the previously mentioned photos, and take a look:

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/tal...16gb-801e-新-HTC-One-New-HTC-One-新一-M7-review/

On the one on the right, you can see the whole side view mirror, not just a reflection. You can see the door handle, which you cannot on the image on the left. On the right you can see inside the car, including the rearview mirror. You can see the entire outline of the front windshield. You can see where the passenger door meets the body of the car. You can see the entire outline of both tires. You can see underneath the rear passenger side tire.

Yes, there is more noise on the car on the right, but that's only because the noise is illuminated. Noisy detail > no detail at all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
So you're disagreeing.. Note that I said "trade blows" not "beats it every time".
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
Yes, I'm disagreeing.

That's fine, I'm still disagreeing.

:)

I don't think that the GS4 has come anywhere near landing a punch in low light, so far.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
True, but what is not an opinion is that you cannot see the rearview mirror inside of the car on the left.

;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Good point about the more out of focus images and the effect of low light. I guess for me it's that I use the camera/video recorder on my phone pretty much all the time. I can afford a good camera, but the way I saw it, for the pictures that I want to take in the best quality I'd want to hire a professional photographer anyway, since a great camera can be wasted if the person using it doesn't know which modes to use in what environment and doesn't have the extra accessories (like a tripod) invested. The cameras on all these flagships looks more than just passable for Facebook posts in my opinion, but then again I don't have an eye for the finer details.

And I know the camera is only one aspect of the phone, it's just a pretty big one to me. Outside the camera I prefer the Galaxy S4 in pretty much every way, it's just the low light shots that concern me since those are the trickiest ones, and if the phone ends up having to use flash then the shots get the white balance totally thrown off.
[Galaxy S 4 General] poweroutlet:
I found this in another thread but I have to admit that I'm blown away by the HTC One's low light video and audio recording capabilities:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TIjzjuDG5rE

That's incredible imo, almost doesn't look like it was recorded from a phone.

Here is a video comparing the HTC one and S3 audio recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaL87kEqZ4Y

I really hope the S4's audio recording capability is much much better than the S3's.