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[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
How could that possibly work?! You can't remove objects automatically if you only have one image taken. It must be a mode like "object removal" or maybe the S4 always takes more than one image so the option is always there even if it seems like only one picture.

From the description above it seems that the S4 has more different modes to shoot in (Sequence, eraser, drama, beauty face etc). Are these presets that must be selected before you take the picture or are they editing options for after taking the picture? On the one you only have the zoe? And from it you can do it all basically? If you don't do a zoe you are out of luck with all those features (object removal, best face, always smile, combine pics etc).
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
The beauty of the HTC One is that you just press the shutter button. All the clever stuff gets done after. That way you always get the shot you want. Also I have found the One freezes motion with ease. Even in lower light. So people, pets its ideal.

Object removal. I took a photo today of the new Apple store opening in Plymouth UK. It would be a pain normally to do as people kept walking in front of the store. However, I took photo in Zoe mode. Went edit, retouch, object removal , done, save and voila. This photo is up on my blog tomorrow morning if you are curious. There are no people in my photo. So neat. So easy. And that is what I have learnt about the One. It's just so easy to do everything.

When I have had the S4 for long enough, I will see what I think comparing both cameras. It's a tough call.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
This is my dog George. Taken in dim light indoors.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You select them before shooting. Here's the difference I see. If something like below happens with the SGS4 you just grab the phone, select "Drama" from the menu on the viewfinder, and shoot. Just like you'd normally use the camera. I question how the clip below (it's from HTC's website) could have even been captured with Zoe. Basically, anything captured with Zoe has to be staged as it would be impossible to just whip out the camera to capture something as it's unfolding. By the time the shutter goes from "red" to "green" 1.5-3 seconds will have elapsed. What's actually happening is the One's camera starts to capture video/stills during the time it takes the shutter to go from green to red. So you can't "cue it up" for an impending shot/sequence because the Zoe sequence will have already started recording. I get the concept behind what HTC's doing with Zoe but it changes the way you normally use your camera in certain scenarios. And you have to use it in certain scenarios and it applies limitations (low light performance, 1.5 second delay, no zoom) to what you'd normally be able to do. It's fantastic for people that want to be artistic. It's kind of a challenge for people that don't want to think a lot about what they are capturing. Again, this is just based on research I did this morning. If I've gotten it wrong, One owners please correct me.

Here are the modes available on the SGS4 which are selected prior to shooting. And there may be limitations applied within each mode selected. For example, zoom blocked when in Drama mode. It doesn't say so in the manual but we'll have to wait until people start using the camera to understand the impact of selecting a specific mode, If you select low light on the N2, you can't use burst shot which is a good current example.

Auto

Beauty face

Best photo

Best face

Sound & shot

Drama

Animated photo

Rich tone (HDR)

Eraser

Panorama

Night

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Rusty and Bella. Just for the hell of it. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
But wouldn't it be the same amount of steps for the Galaxy S4 to do the same?

"I took photo in Eraser mode. Went edit, retouch, object removal , done, save and voila."
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
S4 vs. HTC Butterfly & Xperia Z. So much more details!

http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1366388603.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Actually on the One it's done after the fact from the gallery according to the manual. So to capture a picture you want objects removed from you: start Zoe/Object Removal mode, touch the shutter, wait for it to turn from red to green, capture 20 pics and 3 seconds of video (a Zoe), then the shot's saved to the gallery with the objects removed. To see or edit the result this is what you do according to HTC's instructions:

1. Tap the album that has the photos or videos you want to share.

2. Browse to the photo that you want to edit.

3. Tap the photo, and then tap Edit > Retouch > Object Removal. You'll see frames around areas in the photo where objects have been automatically removed.

4. To retain an object, tap on its image on the film strip.

5. After making your changes, tap Done.

6. Tap > Save. The edited photo is saved as a copy. The original photo remains

Perhaps edit's available before the Zoe is saved to the gallery. Maybe a One owner can comment.

On the SGS4 it's - start Eraser mode, capture burst of pictures, moving background objects are automatically removed, the shot's presented for editing, edit if desired, save it to the gallery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Ok. This is how the Zoe is used for the example of the jumping guy.

1. Have the Zoe mode selected on the camera. The camera now continously captures frames at a high rate.

2. Point the camera to the ledge and ask the guy to start running when he is ready.

3. When he reaches the edge and jump you press the shutter button.

4. Done. You will now have 20 frames with the guy running on the ledge and then jumping of the edge to a landing

What happened is this:

The camera started recording as soon as you selected the zoe mode (just like time shift on your cable box). When you press the shutter button it will take all frames from 1 second before you pressed it and all frames from 2 seconds after.

What you can do with it:

You can now use this Zoe and edit any way you want. You can combine frames (like in your pic) or you can remove objects or make sure everybody smiles etc.

When you take a picture of your friends outside a club you have no way of knowing if anyone will walk by in the background or if everybody is looking at the camera or smiling or if you want to make a montage of it.

If you use zoe when you take a picture of your friends outside a club you don't have to know. You just do what you need to do after the picture is taken.

This was what I was wondering with the S4. If you do need to know and select that special mode before you take the picture if someone will have their eyes closed or that someone will walk by it will be kind of useless in many cases. If you select one and the other happends you are out of luck or what? As far as I have read this is the case with the S4 and hence my labeling of the One as the more "point and shoot"-camera. It's just one mode to toggle on the screen and thats it. Quicker and simpler. From there you can do it all.

Can anyone with the S4 confirm how this works on the S4? To be honest I don't know how much these modes will be used in every day, but the One owners and reviewers do seem to love their Zoes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
My only comment on the camera so far is with regards to the shutter speed. It's completely instantaneous. Absurdly so, imo... definitely faster than any camera that I've ever owned.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Rusty and Bella. Just for the hell of it. ;)

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Great photo :)

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The difference with the HTC One is Zoe mode is an icon always showing on front camera screen. You could always leave it on if you wanted, but it doesn't just do eraser options , filming in Zoe mode allows for so much more. HTC basically simplified the operation so you take first , edit after, that way you havent missed the shot. Also the camera shutter is crazy fast.

It seems they're two different concepts at play with these phones. Based on what I have read, I would rather have the One in my pocket. But I will get a S4 just to see how it really compares.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vapotrini:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Companies haven't put much into speaker phones because it's pretty low on the priority list. Allow me to elaborate:

-Those front facing dual speakers on the Bezel come at the cost of screen space. So you have to choose whether you want to be able to watch your movies/tv shows/videos with more real estate and have a bigger screen to read on, or, to have better speakers. Speaking for myself, I would rather have that extra space on the screen for GPS navigation/media consumption/web browsing.

-The situations in which you would need to use the speaker system are niche to say the least. While driving? Well, you could just hook up your phone to the stereo system in your car. In the shower? Showing off a song to a friend? Having a conversation that you want other people to listen in on? A few instances, all of which can be replaced by spending a few bucks at wal-mart for a small amplifier that will beat the speaker system on any phone. In all of those instances, the speaker system on the Xperia/GS4/other phone works fine, it's just not "as good".

-Finally, the overwhelming majority of the time, you're going to use ear phones/head phones, wired or wireless. The sound quality is always better, and you even get the bass tone which you don't get on the HTC One speakers. Most important of all, you don't force everyone around you to listen to what you're playing. If I go to a sit-down restaurant or any public place and want to listen to my audio books or podcasts while waiting, I'm going to use my ear phones, both for the superior sound and so I don't bother other people.

I'll only add that these aren't the only differences between the two phones. It's much more than "Oh, the HTC camera dominates in low light and has better speakers and the Galaxy S4 has a good daylight camera". Check out the photos in this thread and the other one, the Galaxy S4 can still manage low light shots reasonably well, and clearly speakers have plenty of drawbacks. There's other perks to the HTC One and Galaxy S4 that are worth mentioning that don't involve misinformation and hype.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
The low light shots are ok if there is no moving object in it and you are using a stand. But if it comes to real situations like taking pictures of your friend in a restaurant/disco/at home then the s4 simply cant deliver the same (or even comparable) results as the one. Thats simply limited to the physics.

The sgs4´s camera is of course the better one if you like daylight shots. But if I(!!!) go out and i´m planning to take some nice pictures, i just take my DSLR or a compact camera.

Speakers:

The speakers are a nice to have but not u must have. But if you had them once its hard to go back. I never listened to music over the speakers of my phone. But now with the one, i just lay it down next to me and start the music. The sound is incredible "full" for a phone. Also its nice for navigation in the car. I can listen to the normal radio / cd of my car and i´m still able to make out what the navigation system want from me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NiCk.JaY:
Yep its pre release software, so it should be improved alot by the time it hits the stores. I remember HTC One's pics were also unimpressive initially, but gradually they improved as the release date came nearer
[Galaxy S 4 General] esselite:
Both camera sucks and not worth of comparing. The difference not visible in between devices and it's better to take real digital camera with you if you plan to take photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Yeah and they both suck for watching HD movies. If you want to watch HD movies, do it on a 55 inch TV with surround sound....
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Not to mention how much more comfortable is to just wait until you get home to check your mails with keyboard and mouse or listen to music on a real quality sound system and have a phone talk over land line. Why use a mobile which is mediocre in everything, good in nothing?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
There was a time when people argued "real photographers" use film cameras.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I hope they don't change much. You could say these outside results are a bit undersatuared and less contrasted but that's because we are used to industry photos under perfect conditions, and since our regular scenes are worse, phones post-process results for that "good" (unnatural) look. The following photo is perfectly in line with flat March light conditions and post-winter grey, not to mention dynamic range is so wide so you don't see blacked out burnt out details. As a matter of fact this could be HDR although there's no evidence it actually existing in the SW just yet, so it's probably not. This is way better than SW applying extra colors and contrast (2nd picture), which is just not real. Hope Samsung keeps results raw and clean.

I don't think esselite knows what that is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SeventeenV:
I agreed- would definitely have to hand it to HTC this round.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
Just look at pocketnow.com htc one vs note 2 camera reviews
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I like my photos to be less saturated, and bit under-exposed. I can always do some post processing later to get desired outcome.

Hopefully vendors will be generous in terms of file sizes and forget about compression. I wonder if we will ever get RAW in mobile camera.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
/sigh how many more threads are you going to post this in in the hope that people start flaming the One?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Briztama:
Then what about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdAFj8iPGs

that video comes from trusted source and not some random images..

well TBH it all didnt matter... based on real life performance and daily usage my One X takes better pictures...

all the Samsung lovers can say all they want (looks down on One X) but it still doesn't change the fact that it takes better pictures..

i only compare Quadrant, AnTuTu, some games and camera with my friends' S3 (i have 20+ friends with S3, and yet i'm the only one in my entire highschool that actually owns a HTC, not because of quality, but Samsung's marketing is far superior than the HTC)

the result:

Quadrant: Me 6989; Friend's 6200-6600 (One X wins)

AnTuTu: Me 14978; Friend's 14800-15500 (Samsung wins)

Games: Dead Trigger (Me): 50-53 fps with ragdoll effect; Friend's: 50-55 fps no ragdoll effect

Asphalt 7 (Me): 32-40 fps; Friend's: 25-30 fps; Friend's iPhone 5: 60 fps (yeah this is correct actually)

Modern Combat 4 (Me): 40-50 fps; Friend's: crashed (i'm not lying..) sometimes it runs at 30-40 fps; Friend's iPhone 5: 60 fps again

Camera: Daily performance my camera bests all of their S3 (this to prove it's not a defect S3) by a small margin..

only problem with HTC compared to samsung is actually the heat and battery life, even my friend's said my UI (sense) is better (some of them even want to trade their phone with me!)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Of course, ironically, the HTC One is building on that very myth just hyping the other way around by saying "4MP is better than 13, truss!" which is of course bull****.

The fact is, outdoors comparison in this thread show that the Galaxy SIV is sharper PER PIXEL at 13MP than the HTC One at 4, which means a 4 million pixel crop of an S4 photo (third) is still sharper than a full size HTC One photo. And since phone camera lenses are quite wide so when you photograph a certain object more things get captured, you're in trouble with the One because you can't zoom in with just 4MPs where 4x digital zoom on the 13MP Galaxy S4 still gives sufficient sharpness for a 4MP photo.

Megapixels win.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
Yea probably if you plan to use your phone as your main camera then the GS4 will be the better call.

For 95% of my photos I use my actual camera, one of the main times I use my phone is on nights out (low light) which is where I think the One will serve me well!

Looking forward to the standardized tests though
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
You don't sound like a HTC fanboy at all :rolleyes:

I personally liked HTC better than Samsung before (my previous phone was a HTC HD2), and wanted to like the One X (I waited for the SIII first reviews before making a decision), and I liked the design of the One X.

The thing is that I had the possibility to extensively test the One X camera, and I was bitterly disappointed.

The other problems that kept me from buying it where the sealed battery, and the fact that you can't add a micro-SD card.

When the SIII was announced, I wasn't sure I liked the design and build quality, so it made me hesitate a lot, but once I saw it, and also saw the camera performance, I was convinced.

HTC Sense was also something I liked, but Samsung improved Touchwiz a lot, and I like it a lot too now.

So there's absolutely no way I'd exchange it for a One X ;)

Having said that, I'm not bound to a company, I like Android, but I don't care which manufacturer I take or what marketing they do.

I just want to get the best Android device I can, and lately, it has been Samsung instead of HTC (especially since HTC decided to remove the possibility to change the battery or add a microSD card).

The thing I love with HTC is the build quality of their flagship devices though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
its not bull**** for same size sensor (which is the case here as both One and S4 have same size sensor).

So the pixel size on S4 will be much smaller than the on the One and theoretically speaking it should result in more noise in S4. Unless lighting conditions are perfect (and they seldom are) S4 pics would always be inferior to One (unless the photographer is crap).

Accepted that in proper light S4 should be able to take really good pics. Thats only gonna be during day time outdoors when your scene is sunlit. In every other situation S4 will produce garbage.

By the way, what Ken Rockwell is saying in that article is that even 3MP is more than enough! Just a few years back even full frame DSLRs had only 6MP (thats on a sensor many many times bigger than on the S4) and people were printing billboard size posters with that. More MPs are mostly marketing bull. You do not need them. What is more important is how good the camera can reproduce colors. That is a professional photographer speaking.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
You need to do it the other way around, your actual camera will always be better suited for night outs. But if light is insufficient on your device, you can always tap on the flash icon. ;)

You clearly haven't seen the samples I posted then, mid to low-light SIV samples look quite good (as they should be, the lens/sensor is much bigger compared to the S3, could be as big as the One's). Everything from average to great lighting and the S4 absolutely blows the One out of the water in details, sharpness, noise levels and color reproduction.

With the wide angle lenses, believe me you'll often end up needing to zoom to get the desired subject filling the screen, but on phone digital zoom (or cropping) is the only option. And that's where megapixels combined with a good sensor like the SIV's come very handy. So are you really going to claim that the One sample is better quality than the SIV at 4x digital zoom? (right click, open in new tab for full size)
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
my camera is always going to be better for everything, but im not taking a DSLR sized camera with me on nights out :laugh:

and yea phone flash is hit or miss - under or over compensating a lot of the time. having said that i think the One uses a smart flash that adjusts itself depending on situation, not sure if the GS4 has that?

what im saying is the One camera is the most versatile for me - i would never have a phone as my main camera for trips etc thats why out and out resolution doesn't matter to me. i only use it for bits and pieces when my camera isn't around
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Oh and not to mention that the HTC One only does 16:9, so any portrait photo (maximum width: 1520px) will be too narrow and you'll have to crop to look normal, resulting in even less pixels. The quality of this HTC One photo is bad as it is at maximum resolution, but look at how it will look shown on your TV:

So much for UltraPixels. It's not acceptable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
You can set the One to take pictures in standard 4:3 aspect ratio. And if you want to show them on your tv, don't be a tard and take portrait pictures.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Rubbish and contradicts to all the test so far. The S4 beat the One both at the PhoneArena and GSM Arena low-light (not darkness) tests, and I don't see how many time you'll shoot in pitch black where the One beats the S4 because of longer exposure which means more motion blur. Both lenses capture the exact same amount of light and the Exmor RS is the more advanced sensor, see noise patterns and dynamic range.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Edit: Double post.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
A DSLR or a dedicated camera would beat the HTC One and any other phone camera in low light anyway. For me, my phone camera is the main camera I use. If I want professional photographs for a ceremony/wedding, I hire a professional photographer who uses good equipment and has the expertise to match it. I Don't see the "physics in place" that indicate the GS4 can only take bad pictures in low light in motion. Restaurants and other indoor establishments typically have decent lighting. Exceptions can be clubs and concerts, though, those are the same situations in which I'm hardly using my camera or my phone anyway. I don't like to record music events while I'm enjoying them, I save that for the down time.

I've already heard the HTC speakers in multiple reviews. Again...I can live without it. There's no bass, so already it cuts out a lot of song quality. "Basic physics" says that sound traveling several feet through the air, being dispersed into multiple directions, is always going to be worse than sound traveling by wire straight into your ear. Even wireless head sets, where you can be across the room from your phone, are going to be better for sound.

I think we're talking past each other now though; highlighting personal preferences of ours that separate us into uses for each phone. You use your speaker phone a lot and take plenty of club photos, I don't. However, I'm simply pointing out that for a company like Samsung, investing in the resources and design work to cater to a beefy speaker system on a phone doesn't make much sense. It's not a case of anyone being lazy or cheap, it's just there's a lack of demand.