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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
A reviewer doing a lot of manual testing noticed it too...

Updated 27/3/13: We received an email from German website Techstage which seems to explain the mysterious behavior of the HTC One at ISO 800. According to them, even though we manually set the ISO to 1600, the camera might still take pictures at lower ISO settings in good lighting conditions. But it'll still save the EXIF data in the JPEG as ISO 1600, instead of the actual value.

This seems to bear out when we checked our test images and their shutter speeds. In our lab test with indoor lighting, the HTC One progressively reduced shutter speeds as ISO increased; the more sensitive the sensor was to light, the less time it needed to open up its shutter. At ISO 800, the One recorded a shutter speed of 1/120th of a second. At ISO 1600 however, the shutter speed jumped back down to 1/30th of a second, which is identical to the shutter speed required at ISO 200. Indeed, looking at the shots taken at ISO 200 and ISO 1600 now, they look remarkably similar.

In our extreme low-light test however, the shutter speeds remained constant at 1/20th of a second throughout all the ISO ranges.

In short, it seems that the HTC One has two bugs - one; it won't always listen to your command to manually set the ISO speed, secondly; it will report in the EXIF data that it did even though it didn't. Techstage says that the HTC product manager they are in contact with said there would be a firmware update to fix the issue, and that the issue has been confirmed directly by HTC Taiwan.

We have reached out to HTC Singapore for a comment but they were unable to issue one at press time. Until we have confirmed the issue with HTC ourselves we're letting our ISO 800 test images stand, but they should be considered suspect. Techstage's original article about the issue can be found here (in German).​

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-htc-ones-camera-tested-updated/image-clarity-noise

http://www.techstage.de/news/HTC-One-aktuelle-Kamera-Tests-sind-nicht-aussagekraeftig-1827026.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/6

:good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
This whole post wins the thread. Exactly how I see it basically, nailed the different camps that various respondents come from, also nailed the point that most users will be satisfied with either, which I think is correct.
[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
this review says it all.....

i am getting the htc one......:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] htcplussony:
I think instead of going too far one way, I would have probably been most happy had Sony made 1.4 micron 16:9 8MP stacked sensor. Oh well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Delakit:
Just because of the camera? I find that a bit funny. Hope you don't have any regrets ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
I think cause of the whole review, which isnt "that bad" for the one ;) (First phone that got awared by anandtech) :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Delakit:
Eh. Sense 5 is taking a step in the wrong direction. The casing of the ONE is awesome but storage is limited to cloud storage once internal is full and there's no option for a backup battery either. It's too restricted for me. I have the EVO 4G LTE right now and really don't like the fact that I can't use a backup battery. Taking away my SD Card would be even worse. I hate Samsung but I hate being restricted. I'm most likely going with the GS4. If I need good pictures I'll just carry around my little camera :P. But that comes down to preference and personal needs. I'd be going with the HTC One 100% if there was an option to expand storage with a MicroSD card. I'm just not ready for the whole cloud storage idea although I could always just back all of my files up on my website. But still... I've relied on Battery pulls too much in the past and that was taken away. Without the battery pull I had to rely on the SD Card... Without the SD Card I would need to rely on something that isn't physically present. That's just scary.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Yeah it says all, better detailed day light photography is one of the reasons I am going for s4.

I like Anandtech reviews,they are not biased, and all good and bad aspects are presented;)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
I think the gold award says enough in the review i think;)

Now i have the samsung galaxy s3 so this is a great upgrade for me...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Battery pulls? They are so 2011!

Regarding backing up important documents, there are other ways to back up....to your laptop, a USB stick etc. Plus, theres always a chance your card could get corrupted and you lose them anyway....

Not that any of this has anything to do with the camera.
[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
I am also very exited what the review from the galaxy s4 by Anandtechwill be...

I think its gonne be great also..;)

But meanwhile i have ordered the htc one now....:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Why should we look at photos from Facebook-quality perspective?

If that's the case, there is no point of a high quality DSLR at all. When someone says "if you’re looking at things 1:1", it feels very odd coming from an Anandtech editor. Obviously you should look at 1:1, else you are doing it wrong.

I always check Anandtech reviews, but I don't necessarily agree with their conclusions.

Look at what Anand said in past:

Now they spend an hour talking about Geekbench in HTC One review!

Anyone who says that Anand and his crews don't have bias for specific devices is simply defensive.

Check their reviews for iPhone 4S and 5. Now compare this against

typical

Android phones? Do you see difference between the depth in reviews? Do you see how much they are interested in certain devices and clear apathy in others. They didn't even bother to review Galaxy Note which literally created a new smartphone category.

Their reviews are awesome, but to say One S deserves an award shows something is weird.

I read the reviews, and ignore their conclusions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
I find your thoughts on the Anandtech review interesting BarryH_GEG. Interesting because I had essentially the same thoughts yesterday when I read it.

I posted this in discussion with someone else last night:

In terms of other problems, or not even necessarily problems, that might be too strong a word, but areas where it doesn't perform as one might expect given the stated design objectives: Ultrapixels and noise, flash. The Ultrapixels simply aren't pulling their weight most of the time as far as I can tell (notable exception being well-lit macros, where I think the per-pixel detail promise of the One camera is superbly well realised). The low-light improvements seem like they are down to the F/2.0 aperture and OIS alone, if the Ultrapixels were performing as the marketing dictates there should be less noise than we're seeing. I expect HTCs post-processing is substantially to blame there and we may yet see much better images from it as the Anandtech piece alludes too. I was really looking forward to reading about the flash, which has several graded steps of intensity. I'd hoped that may finally mean an intelligent LED flash that doesn't completely blow out nearish subjects, but that doesn't seem to be the case, and flash performance across the board seemed underwhelming. The flash was rather glossed over though, and he instead spent his time talking about not using the flash and making do with the aperture and OIS to get those shots. Naturally I agree with educating potential users in the review, but given HTC making some hoopla about the flash in the announcement and the importance of low-light imaging to the positioning of the One I think the review should have been more detailed/critical there. It was that kind of thing that made me come away from the review thinking it was too positive, where it appeared coloured by reveling in the engineering detail and so forth. Don't get me wrong, I think it deserves a great review from everything I've seen about it, but a great overall review can still nitpick and call out the faults when they are there. I expect nearly all users will be very satisfied with the imaging prowess of the One, just as they were with the One X and are with the Butterfly, even though I consider those very below par amongst their peers.

I was elaborating on a point I'd made in Twitter that the conclusion appeared to be leading the review at times, which seems to me to be a rather succinct summary of what you're saying also.

For me it felt a little incongruous from Anandtech, who are all about objectivity. I took from that Brian Klug had really formed quite an attachment to the phone, which in itself speaks volumes of good about it, but which possibly meant the review wasn't posited in the usual Anandtech fashion. I don't have a problem with that per se, except that if you are going to depart from your natural style I think you want transparent disclosure.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I know that the GS4 software is still not final retail version, but GS3 video recording seems to be much sharper. The still images look very good, hope the video also improves.

http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5371&idPhone2=5313&idPhone3=4238

GS3 looks sharper than both GS4 and HTC One!
[Galaxy S 4 General] kinfauns:
Thread cleaned

This is a camera comparison thread and not a general specs/features comparison thread. The latter of two unfortunately got closed not too long ago because of off-topic posts and bickering, so let's not have a repeat of that in this thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Any more s4 pics. I am getting the one for OIS as been wanting that and ability to trim clips in gallery.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] play2lose:
Hmm, that is pretty interesting. The Galaxy S4 video looks like crap compared to the HTC One, and the HTC One looks like crap compared to the Galaxy S3 video lol. I wonder why the GS3 video is so much better than GS4? :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Play these at the same time. Other than the much narrower FOV they appear about the same (at least to me). Where the One comes out ahead in normal use is the benefit of OIS and improved sound capture making it the better choice for people who shoot a lot of video. But "crap" is bit extreme in both examples. Looking at stills from a video to break down performance may be fun but it isn't really going to affect what you see very much when watching them.

Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/​

[YOUTUBE]qzuuVDV5EQA[/YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]YVE7ZLT7wBw[/YOUTUBE]

And this was GSMArena's final verdict...

Winner: HTC One. The HTC One takes this round thanks to its much wider field of view and OI. The Samsung Galaxy S4 can shoot great videos too, as long as you have steady hands and have enough room to take a step back.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] LEANDROURU:
htc looks better for me
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Well said..

OT: Are you getting the phone? I read your reviews on Note 2 (also a few for S3), really enjoyed them a lot. They were very detailed - I would say you had the best connectivity video ever produced for a phone. Really showed the versatility of Note 2.

I would look forward to such a series on GS4!
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Yea htc has OIS and wide view lens. Oh yes.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
After watch both videos i think something is wrong with S4.

it's not sharp and overall the quality is worse than Galaxy S3.

As for HTC, i think is slightly better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I wouldn't trust YouTube re-coded videos. There is absolutely no problems with the S4's video recording if you download raw originals, as a matter of fact, the Samsung is faster to adapt to changing conditions and more stable while the HTC One constantly loses focus, as seen here:

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/sgs4.mp4

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/htc-one.mp4

Of their all tests, GSM Arena's video comparison seems to be off cause they claim a much bigger FOV difference than there actually is. I suspect they applied some sort of software image stabilization Check their theoretical comparison and Mobile-reviews real one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
On topic:

The S4 video quality is demonstrably inferior to the S3, at least at this point in time. Supercurio has had quite a good look at it, and I believe even contacted Samsung to discuss problems and suggest improvements. Seems like they radically changed things up from the S3 processing methods, unfortunately not for the better

I don't think there is any way to cut this but to say that the One is definitively superior to the S4 for video capture, particularly in the audio capture stakes where it absolutely wallops the S4. That said, most will not find anything particularly offensive about the S4 video either, in much the same way that most end-users were satisfied with the HTC One X/Butterfly stills images, even though I consider those poor compared to those handsets direct rivals.

Off topic:

I will be getting the S4, probably both variants at some point in time. Will definitely be producing usual gamut of videos for the S4. Also have the XZ and Butterfly and by then an HTC One also, so will be able to make direct comparisons between them. Reviews are tough at present, I don't have the time between work and family with toddler to produce the kind of review I did with the Note, as much as I'd love to (wasn't such a hardship at the stage he was at during the Note review). He will be entering daycare relatively soon though, so hopefully can get back into full reviews. At present finishing HTC Butterfly review, then need to bang out XZ review before getting One/S4. For path of least resistance will probably do a comparison review between S4 and One, and plan to do a much bigger piece than the rapid-reviews I'm doing for Butterfly/XZ, but will have to see how that pans out between work/life.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
With HDR on the One's FOV narrows considerably. I wonder if that's affecting what some of the reviewers are reporting?

An understatement. ;) When you look at what people actually do with smartphones it kind of makes our conversations about nuance, FOV, OIS, and bigger photosites vs. more megapixels seem kind of wasted on the audience.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Who took this survey? when was it taken? what are the ages of the people that voted in this survey? what are the genders? what country or countries was this survey taken in? why have you not provided any detailed information about this survey?

If you're going to post things like this, you need to add some useful info, so we understand why this survey is relevant and not just more of the FUD you like to post sometimes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's a survey taken in the U.S. that I clipped six to nine months ago. I'm sorry you find what I post so offensive. If it's violating XDA's terms of use by all means report it. If not, rather than attack everything I say with absolutely no substantive counter of your own, just ignore it. Attacking me personally is only going to get you banned.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
No one is attacking you personally, the only thing being questioned are the posts sometimes, while you don't always spread FUD, you do tend bend the truth about things, skew things, and generally post "some" FUD here and there, and don't think I'm the only one who's noticed it either.

As for the post it's not offensive as much as it's useless and counter productive without any information to go along with it. I mean seriously, who posts a survey and then doesn't even bother to add the relevant information about the survey?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The point I was using the survey to make was that the camera, compared to other features, isn’t as a high a purchase priority based on usage.

This is from a June 2012 survey taken by 02 in the UK of their subscriber’s use of smartphone features. Based on time spent, “taking pictures” is the lowest used smartphone feature on the list at 3%. It is however the most frequently used feature as reported in the survey. But “alarm clock” is only 10% below it and “using it as a watch” is 24% below and ahead of social. Based solely on the number of times used you could draw the conclusion that developing a “killer app” for the alarm clock would sell more phones. That’s highly unlikely as its viewed as an assumed utility by responders to the survey. Since browsing the net is a most frequent activity as well as most used you could make the assumption that it is an important feature to people. And social is the number two activity where people spend their time and even though it’s not a "top 5" frequent activity you could assume it's viewed as a significant feature. People can draw their own conclusions about the importance of the camera from where it ranks in frequency of use versus time used.

Here’s something else to ponder. On the iP5 website, the camera is the sixth item featured vertically and requires people to scroll down to see it. It’s behind customer satisfaction, design, the Retina display, battery life, performance, and LTE/dual-band Wi-Fi. On the Galaxy S4 micro-site the camera itself isn’t even mentioned but Dual Shot, Sound & Shot, Drama Shot, and Story Album are so Samsung’s treating the camera as a “you understood” and focusing on what it can be used for. LG and Motorola don’t even mention the camera on the feature home page of the Optimus G and RazrMaxx and it’s the sixth item mentioned by Sony for the Xperia Z. Since those companies own 91% of the smartphone market I’d say that’s a pretty good reflection of what they see the importance of the camera being as a feature that influences buying decisions and that, to a degree, it's viewed as a commodity. HTC on the other hand has the camera, with its own micro-site, as the number two feature listed on the One’s descriptive page behind BlinkFeed. So either HTC knows something everyone else doesn’t or their hyping a feature that’s not a high priority in people’s buying decisions. They hyped the camera last year with its f/2 lens and dedicated ImageSense chip but lost more market share than they did the year before. In selling products you don’t get credit for solving problems customers don’t know they have.
[Galaxy S 4 General] marmarm:
http://android.pandaapp.com/news/04...ne_vs_galaxy_s_vs_xperia_z.shtml#.UWKKtLLz2H4
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Thank you very much! :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Thank you!

No surprises here, in dull to good lights the S4 is awesome, during the nights the One takes the lead due to longer exposure (1/9), something that tops out at 1/15 for the S4. Considering the Xperia Z does 1/8 with the same sensor, it's a matter of SW update or 3rd party app to get that out of the S4, white balance, details and noise level is okay for a phone camera.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
I have no doubt that the S4 camera will be better than the One camera in all situations except low light, but even though I tend to take more pictures in well lit areas and cameras are very important to me, I still chose the One over the S4 based on other factors. A camera can't possibly be the only thing you consider when buying a smartphone. If it's that much of a concern, you should probably have a dedicated camera that smokes both of these phones in image quality. I have a NEX-F3, which is pretty compact, for when I want to take good pictures.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ratchet2012a:
if you want a better camera buy a lumia XD
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
Hong Kong night movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dog34A0oMEk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
amazing
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
Why can't the camera be the only thing you think about? Surely that's each potential buyers own business, which use-cases determine how they will make their purchasing decisions?

RE: "You should buy a standalone camera" - these threads always at some point come to this. You know what? I have a Lumix GH3 and about $2,000 of glass for it, that doesn't mean the camera on my phone isn't important to me, it remains one of the important differentiators between potential phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Exactly. That's where all these comparisons go wonky. Everyone weights features differently in terms of significance and importance. Something like a toaster or coffee maker that perform a single function are easier to compare because the act of browning bread and creating a hot cup of coffee are what they are being evaluated against first with design and extra features second. When you look at something like a smartphone that's multi-featured and an emotional purchase direct comparisons are almost impossible. 50 people that want the expandable storage of the SGS4 but long for the design of the One are going to use 50 different sets of criteria and drag other features in to their consideration to figure out which one to finally buy. Same thing for people that want OIS but take the majority of their pictures in brightly lit conditions. There really can't be a wrong or right; just what's right for the person plopping down their credit card. That's kind of what I was trying to introduce above but, once again, you did it better. ;)

I'm kind of like you (with much less investment). I'll bring a better stand-alone camera (a Lumix ;) ) with me when I know in advance I'll be taking a bunch of pictures. But I do have pretty high standards for my phone's camera in the instances I use it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
It can be the only thing you think about. I just don't think it's wise to do that. If that's all you choose to consider, let me formally introduce you to the PureView 808. It has the best camera on any smartphone!

I do think a phones camera is very important. You shouldn't buy a phone with a crappy camera in 2013, period. But to me at least, the camera is only a small part of the total package.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
The One can do 1/7 in auto mode and 1/3 in night mode. Even if the S4 could take shots with a longer exposure in low light, they would still be far blurrier and noisier than the One because the S4 has no OIS and tiny pixels.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Xperia-Ray:
can any 1 upload the stock HTC One camera apk? + the framework files 4 the apktool?

*framework-res.odex

thanks in Ahead!
[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
I'm not saying that's what I do, only pointing out I don't go along with trying to dictate to people what their priorities or use-cases are.

...and I have a Pureview.
[Galaxy S 4 General] squabbi:
The One's camera is much better than the S4.

to OP: Maybe a poll? :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Fixed.

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