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[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
Does this show that the S4 and the One's CPUs are virtually the same (apart from the clock speeds)?

The One scores about 12000+ as well.

But Quadrant is very "strange", it can be quite inconsistent.

Hopefully after more development, benchmarks from other apps can be done.

I was actually looking forward to the 3D Mark scores, as I'm quite a gamer. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Quadrant is terrible. But we are all using S600. The GS4 just has a binning that allows for 1.9GHz I suppose.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
I found that the CPU score in quadrant is pretty reliable. Quadrant used to be crap but I actually like it now it benches pretty consistently... about the HTC who knows it may not even be able to get scores like this when it is OC... I highly doubt the only difference between s4 and HTC is a simple OC...I am sure other refinements would have been done in the SOC to support 1.9ghz+... For example I am running extremely stable and snappy on 2.1ghz and I was told there is even a bit more in it...> 2.3ghz.<... this needs more work though to get the volts right.... Right now in my opinion nothing beats the S4 and its potential
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Except the note 3 which isn't out yet ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Or the S5 ;) which isnt out yet lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
I have noticed that the One scores 25000+ with a custom kernel consistently on antutu benchmark without any OC of any sort and on a stock ROM. For the S4 however, it scores marginally higher with 1.9 GHz or sometimes even lower.

I know the S4 has a great overclock speed, but it is really not realistic as no one would do that in real life, because it gives a marginal boost in performance over a great drain of battery (at least I think so).

What really matters is the performance at stock clock speeds, as this is what they are designed for.

From what I seeing, the One is on par or even better than the S4 at 1.7 GHz versus at 1.9GHz.

It seems the One is really more optimised than the S4 even at a lower clock speed, at least from what I have seen.

However, I have not seen much yet from the S4. Prove me wrong by posting a 27000+ or 28000+ score in antutu with the GT-I9505 at stock clock speeds! :) I really hope I am wrong, as I really want to buy the S4 but all the evidence are pointing towards the One. :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Do you have screenshots of the breakdown page? It would let us know what the One is doing well in.

The bad thing about composite scores is that one strong area can mask another. The GPU could simply be overclocked in a custom kernel for instance.

[edit]Looking at the One custom kernel threads, the 25+k are all overclocked.
[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
Yes I do :)

The kernel is the teaMSeven kernel by the way.

It is a old benchmark, so the scores may have improved by now.

EDIT: I dunno why but the image is not showing. Will post in the next post.

It seems the One is doing as well as the S4 in all aspects even with a lower clock speed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
haha Quadrant is reliable ?? for real dude :eek::eek: LOL its still crap :silly:

even Antutu isn't reliable IMO :silly:

Geekbench is good benchmark :rolleyes:

and too much OC will make things worse the CPU will overheat and throttle :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
Here it is:
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
The GPU is definitely overclocked. The score for the GPU is extraordinarily high, almost a thousand points higher than a stock GS4 and 1500 points higher than a stock One. Either that or it's running an older version of Antutu.

It's strange because everyone else has to overclock the Htc One's CPU to 1.9GHz and the GPU to 450MHz to get 25k (which is expected since that's what the 1.9GHz GS4 gets.
[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
According to the poster (or the developer of the kernel itself so should be reliable), there is no CPU or GPU overclock at all. I will try and find other sources, but this is what we have for now. Maybe the high scores are because of the kernel?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
It's possible that he's using a different driver for the GPU than the stock one for the One and GS4. Qualcomm often releases updated drivers after all. The CPU score isn't too unusual.

[edit]After looking at the Antutu scores from other people in that thread, I'm certain the GPU was OC'd and the tester who posted that score (it wasn't the OP of the thread) simply made a mistake in thinking it wasn't.

There's a guy with 26.3k score (OC'd) but his GPU score is only 200 points higher (which is basically margin of error).
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Look at the antutu subscores i posted above on my gti9500. Seems to be higher than the htc one and 9505 in anutu on all subscores.

There is a different chip setup in htc one vs 9505. Read the articles off the web. Samsung modified the S600. Also for full heavy load the S600 seems to still only take stock clocks despite adding volts on loads such as Geekbench and Antutu.

Its clear to see why. Htc one reported never an issue running antutu. I have a friend on s4 s600 and it if he doesn't set an 85c throttle will not handle antutu even on the stock clock of 1890mhz. Its the cores those who used the gs3 Snapdragon and clocked to 1890 and then beyond have notably same mhz handling. When it comes down to the shear load and heat 1890 at 85c+ or 1998mhz+ on the S600 is beyond its stability. The stock throttle of gs4 should keep that in line. But the handling of the two cores which are now 4 and with a boosted memory speed in gs3 snapdragon are nearly same type of cores and the handling of the quad s600 now is just a bit higher now mhz wise an donly due to the fabrication size shrink yet again. This is seen in the htc one as ive said as clock the s4 to same max mhz and i bet they both handle antutu 100% of the time. The issue in geekbench and antutu is clearly heat, voltage and mhz limitations of the cores. Under light load no doubt they can now hit 2322mhz but for full usage purposes one needs to make sure it throttles back to 1890mhz or less to ensure stability on that type of setup. My i7 2960xm will run light loads at 5ghz 8 thread on my pc but it gets more work done when i have the mhz and watts setup to a more logical mhz to gwt the job done without hitting thermal limits. This will always be good for workloads bringing mhz back into realistic ranges on heavy loads even for overclockers.

Realize i am all for having peak turbo like mhz ranges but for intensive purposes antutu is accurately pointing out the handling of these chips. The first 1%,8% section of antutu bench has a much higher load then quadrant ever has hence why it can complete higher mhz kn that short few second test vs long hot antutu test. Both test different. Ie quadrant short term peak performance and antutu long term workload performance.
[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
Even if the GPU is overclocked, it is only up to 450 MHz, which is the one of the stock S4. But you say the GPU score of the One is still 1000 points higher. That must mean either they are using newer drivers (as was mentioned before), or the GPU of the One is somehow better.

What do you guys think? Strange situation no?
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Maybe one uses different ram???
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
[MENTION=534209]mwa[/MENTION]2 ..thats interesting, when I am running an Non overclocked kernel I dont have to set any type of 85c throttle my antutu scores between 25500-26100 stock .. The problem is when you use an overclocked kernel and even when you set the clock speed back to stock levels in the OC kernel, antutu will not run and its because of the problem with the qualcomm libs, qualcomm is still behind the game comparing to intel and amd.. Faux already stated this.. Hopefully this gets resolved soon . Anyways when I meant Quadrant is reliable for me I mean the scores are very consistent for me. But the OC S4 I9505 shows its power in Quadrant , GLbench, 3dmark... I saw one guy with a 14100 Quadrant, but the crazy score was actually the 48k CPU score highest I have ever seen on any variant. I managed a 6900 3dmark score myself which is pretty good.... But yeh in real life usage I am running 2.1ghz UV 37.5mv and My god my phone is so fluid and snappy I must thank Faux for this.. Cant wait till he manages a way around and further developes on this so I can test this beast on antutu , just for some lols :P

@ sonyexperiaplayer

known fact is that the s4 is faster than the one... dont forget the One has had 4 months head start in development and tweaking... so by now people with the HTC one have pretty much reached there benchmark limits... Simple fact is if you go to a phone store and grab the HTC one + S4 and run benchmarks 99.9% of the time the S4 will beat it.

the second firmware I got from samsung which needs much improvment still,all I did was I cleared Memory , and on full charge I managed a 26 058 antutu score... completely stock
[Galaxy S 4 General] Billy Madison:
Guys, how do you think, could you beat G Pro results?
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Yes.:good:

I managed a 6700 3dmark stock as a rock

and 26058 antutu
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Okay well Ktoonsez would fix this if it is noted somewhere bud? If its just libs when overclocked kernel loaded then should be easy fix. Rawintellect got the 14100 quadrant, awesome work he did there :) he also did it on 2106mhz but around 1280mv...
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
This is what I thought.... But appears not... need to speak to faux to get more technical... All I know is what faux said., I PM'd Faux and recommended he work together with Ktoonz maybe these 2 guys together can work it out who knows.

Yes offcourse he did it on 2.1ghz.. my point is these samsung modded S600s OCd seem to be alright..:good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitrogen618:
I'm not sure if it's qualcomm's cheating lib on benchmark, and not sure if it will help developers... But

When using a overclocked kernel.. Say.. 2.1 Ghz, and want to downclock it to 2.05Ghz.

The first core will be at the downclocked frequency, and the rest will be at 2.1Ghz.

Note: This only happen when running benchmark, and not regular use.. Eg: AnTuTu, Quadrant, CF Bench.. Guess it has something to do with libs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] whitemamba:
Well I did a little research about the 3D graphics score on the One and the S4, and guess what I found?

Scores from the One (CPU: 1890 MHz, GPU: 450 MHz):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2218410&page=2

Scores from the S4 GT-I9505 (CPU: 1890 MHz, GPU: 450 MHz as well):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=41136265&highlight=benchmark#post41136265

Scores from the S4 GT-I9500 (for fun):

Seems like the performance in 3D graphics goes as follows:

GT-I9500 < GT-I9505 < HTC One (when overclocked to have the same specs as the S4)

And don't say the One has more development, mind you it is only on Jelly Bean 4.1.2, and if it is upgraded to 4.2.2, the drivers would be upgraded as well, so it is only bound to get better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
4.2.2 doesnt mean you will have higher scores than 4.1.2 LOL you can update the drivers without changing it to 4.2.2 so that doesnt mean anything, who knows it could be the other way around 4.1.2 could be better at benchmarks... I remember from one rom to another on my S3 the benchmarks would change... Plus who knows what else that guy did .... Everyone who does benchmarks does it a different way.. it even comes down to the room temp... If you perform a test in a cold freezer room you will get higher scores... Who knows what that HTC kernel has been optimised for and how... And I am not bothered to go looking for it mainly cause i dont care.. I dont get why you worrried so much .. If you think the One is great Go get your self ONE and be happy .. enjoy life.:good: Here is an interesting thing > I OC to 2.1 and got a lower score than 1.89... then the next day I OCed again and got a higher score than 1.89... :) what does that show? <.(unreliable). And then you have all these people throwing out different scores claiming this & then claiming that... For example, right now...You tell me how I Oc'd mine to 2.1ghz and graphics is @ 450.. I was only able to get a 6938 score? And these guys apparently with OC'd HTC one hardware practically the same and they are getting 7100-7400. And don't tell me maybe HTC has better CPU build or what ever....It has to be down to software..... Look at CM on the S4 they only can get 8000 quadrant scores and they are OCd aswell...neways I wouldnt take what ever I see on the internet as 100% fact, on either S4 or HTC . Just pick the phone you want and forget the benchmarks

PS: if you look at the HTC one 3d benchmark link check the first page It shows the HTC ones real benchmarks which matches all the reviews...The part I find real weird is how can they all of a sudden jump 1000 points in 3d mark (2nd page in link thread) by OCing by 200mhz ... from 1.7 >1.9.... technically that should mean that all the S4 should be getting atleast 7000 stock..
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
I haven't ran the 3dmark so i will try those out.

Heres my latest.
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
Good job ;)

Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9500 via Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Thanks a lot :)

Got that the other day and just got this now. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
very very good, what you do? a'm using same kernel and rom
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Doc's Rom, Perseus Kernel

-debloat

-crossbreeder mod (search xda)

-ram manager pro (search xda)

-run bench when idle not after very active use (heat)

-try not to add third party mods that overload the UI

Not really anything else different from stock. I'm using on demand. And deadline till kernel has more options.
[Galaxy S 4 General] danveer:
Just a question outbof curiosity, how did you manage to get 12000+ on I/O.

I tried quadrant dozen of times but my I/O eont cross 10600 mark..

Btw here's my benchmark score on pure stock ( for now )
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
I forgot to mention you may know anyway there are i think 5-6 bins identified for the s600. Some may be weaker and require more volts, other undervolt good and some undervolt good but don't overclock good etc. Most will respond with voltage where weak area found but not all. Some are perfect as is and as should be. Simply consider you may have a very efficient chip.

Please even pm me if you find more about Libs issues as Ktoonsez will work on that asap.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Ive got this actually before 13,080 i/o quadrant. I don't use any tweaks or mods other than above.

Ive had good results on the three i/o l available on perseus. Cfq, deadline and noop. I think I got this on on Noop and I use deadline and noop the most currently.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
thanks yeh I was told I might have an efficient chip... I am speaking to Ktoonz about it now, his a good guy and he knows all about the Qualcomm lib issue.. If you want to know more about it ask him.. But he seems to know about it already. I dont think there is an easy fix.

Yeh I would also like to know how you got a high I/O.... When I OC to 2.1ghz My CPU score sky rockets... but my IO always hovers around 8-10k Imagine the score I would get if My IO was at 12k O0o0o0 lol I never have really played around with I/O maybe I should start

Check my CPU score... 46k+

Note: I have 20% batt, Wifi, Data, all samsung features on & I did not clear memory .
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Also look at your mem vs mine... They score different the whole qualcomm chipset vs exynos. I see the same weird phenomenon on last gen GS3 qualcomm and exynos results.

One thing i know is these things are blazing fast amd unbelievable and I am so glad I have a Galaxy S4. Both models are top notch in my book. I have no idea how im able to squeeze that much I/o throughput and dont know why mem scores like that on mine vs qualcomm this gen or last. 9500~ mem i get but not 11k as you see. Interesting right. Ktoonsez is a top notch fella and I don't doubt he had prior knowledge he's a very good developer. I mentioned what you had wrote to KT and I'm glad he got ahold of you. Nice benches bud and raw intellect quadrant 47k cpu was also amazing. There will be some overclocking some time in near future for Exynos. All my results are stock max. 2.1Ghz quad is amazing I hope the libs can be worked out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Yeh thats also interesting.... Is there anything else with I/O i can customise other than changing the Scheduler? Yeh I am interested to see this exynos OCd and how it performs... cant wait!!

Yeh Ktoonz is awesome he made me my own version of his Kernel for the International I9505 just for me to test out and he is also going to create a kernel cleaner for us because I think when I load his kernel on its conflicting with some of Fauxs stuff... Because I cannot see 2 of his governors that I should be seeing eg;.. Very strange...

Edit: raw intellect was actually in the 48k bracket... Nuts!
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Dude i thought gti9500 wasnt scoring high in 3d mark whats highest gs4 Qualcomm score normal and extreme on 3d mark i really want to know :D

Also try setting you sd card cache higher than stock rom toolbox and stuff has it.

CrossBreeder may help but im doing this without frandom.ko
[Galaxy S 4 General] danveer:
I am still testing my phone if it had any kind of defect so that I can replace it in warranty..

Once I am through this testing, it will be perseus kernel for sure for me.

Following that topic for moreb than 2 weeks...:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Did anyone with the i9500 try Epic Citadel at the new "Ultra High Quality" setting?

I'm assuming the French model is the i9505:

http://www.frandroid.com/applicatio...fre-le-parametre-graphique-ultra-high-quality
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Yes, I got 45.6 and I posted the screen shot about two weeks ago.
[Galaxy S 4 General] eric-filth:
I got 46.7 is the normal to i9500

Enviado do meu GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] dukat0s:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geek...+platform:"Android"+architecture:ARM+bits:32+
[Galaxy S 4 General] crzykiller:
It can't be the i9505 because the HTC One stock gets 38.5fps and the I9505 gpu is clocked at 450mhz which is 50mhz higher than the HTC One
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Well the i9500 gets 46FPS. Maybe Samsung screwed up the driver or something.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
For those of you with the i9500, would you mind running RgbenchMM with 4 cores while limiting your CPU frequency to 600MHz (which would be 1200MHz on the A7).

If you have time, other CPU tests would be appreciated too (e.g., CF-bench, Antutu's FP and INT scores)

I'm curious as to the maximum performance of the power saving cores at the default limit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Nice bench that mem is off the chart. If you can get you cpu subscore as high as a few ive been seeing by oc 9505 like 47-48k cpu you will top em all bud. Id expect 14,300+ atleast.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dukat0s:
well that's my quadra score with only 1.900mhz :) i will make one with 2.200ghz tonight :) as i said before geekbench for me is the only 100%accurate bench i got 4.k there so if anyone with I9500 got better post a screenshot :):cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Funkym0nkey:
Here are I9500 Antutu split score details.

Stock speed. No oc.

Doc's ROM. This thing flies.

From my Galaxy S4, in your face.....
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Did you post your 4k geekbench i missed it?

---------- Post added at 06:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 PM ----------

Nice bench congrats. So far buddy every i9500 is still stock buddy with no OC. I didn't see any OC results. So all results here have been stock max. Im on Docs rom i also love it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dukat0s:
well officialy its 3982 :D close to 4k :D at geekbenchmark but i did it with only 2.1 oc i can oc to 2.3 now i ll do some test's this days and i let u know my high scorE :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
You on my buddys kernel Ktoonsez kernel? He has oc up to 2322mhz i think :) enabled.
[Galaxy S 4 General] blane237:
It could also have something to do with under the hood improvements in Android 4.2.2 vs 4.1.2. When the HTC One gets updated to 4.2.2 it will most likely bench higher unless HTC manages to screw it up .
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Actually, when the leaked of the 4.2.1 of the s3 came out I made a few benchmarks and I got lower scores in every test. Only epic citadel was slightly higher.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Dont think so...... It could even be the opposite 4.1.2 could actually bench higher.... you don't know these things. I remember when I was on 4.1.1 on my S3 I got my highest bench marks on that version with my S3 then 4.1.2 came out and I never reached as high as I did with 4.1.1 but wasnt much different either way but still I had my record on 4.1.1 ;)

Anyways I have been tweaking this baby all day and I am now trying to find a happy medium setting where it will peak of its nuts but throttle at the right timing so that it wont do a hard shutdown cause of heat... I have been getting good progress... Im a perfectionist when it comes to tweaking which is annoying because i will keep going back and wasting time until i get the smallest thing right. Here is my progress... My aim and the way I am testing it is when phone is cool I want the 1st bench to be around 14-14.5k then I want to run a 2nd bench instantly after I want it to throttle but give me a score like 13.5k then if I run it AGAIN instantly a 3rd test with out letting it breathe & it should give me a score like 12.5k... And then 4th 12k.... And then stick on 12k each time after until i give the phone a 5- 10 min rest.. then it should repeat what I said above. BUTTTTTTTTTTT theres always a but

At the moment I am running my tests and as i said above I am not letting it rest and its giving me 3x 14K+ scores in a row:eek: and 50% of the time when I do my 4th bench in a straight row it shutsdown cause of heat... So I am fine tuning the throttle right now :D ill get there

by the way all my tests are on 2.1ghz
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Nice bench results very slick. The qualcomms seem to score higher in memory on stock os and exynos the same is seen in i/o almost same ranges. You get close to the mem i get with your i/o and my i/o scores like your mem. Giving equal advantages in a test based on averages. Ill gladly follow you up the ladder when OC is available for me. Whats highest you ever scored stock btw? Been getting some other benches done. Post when i have a bunch to post at once. Can you do some geekbench runs? I want to see this nearly 4k bench in geekbench. There hasn't been any pics posted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoostedSR20:
GT-I9500, Doc's ROM.
[Galaxy S 4 General] j3poysy:
Wow 30k!
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
Wanamlite + Perseus :cool:

Sent from my Octa using New Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Nice work boosted and Azdine way to help the i9500 stats :)

Ill get mine up tonight but ill use a spoiler to save bandwidth while scrolling through.

Type the following around the pics to spoiler.

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Type it without the equal sign i put it there to so it wouldn't actually show a spoiler above
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoostedSR20:
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