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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Practically?

Using S-600 examples of each the SGS4 is clocked at 1.9GHz (vs. 1.7GHz) and has DDR3 RAM (vs. DDR2) and the differences have been reflected in benchmark tests.

The SGS4 appears to have two speakers and they look to be about the same size as the One's from pics. So the advantage for the One is front-placement, better seperation (the SGS4's are side-by-side), and the benefit of an amplifier. But there have been a couple of cases reported where the speakers have been blown (way too early to be called a trend) and that, ironically, the loudness can't be reduced enough for use in certain situations.

You mean beyond the marketing hype? You should really look at come of the pics in the comparison threads. The "winner" isn't as clear cut as you're making it seem. The One struggles with exposure (under/over) and it has 1/3 the detail of 13MP cameras. It does seem to do better in low light. When Andandtech and GSMArena do their full standardized test we'll see what each camera's strengths and weaknesses are across a wide-range of conditions. There's also a side-by-side comparison of video shot from the One and the SGS4 and the One really had a challenge adjusting exposure to fast changes in a scene's brightness.

The SGS4 has a great AMOLED display and the One an equally great LCD display. It's more a matter of whether people prefer AMOLED to LCD and that debate's as old as the hills and won't be settled here. The SGS4's display is larger in the same sized footprint for those it matters to.

The SGS4's better benchmarks would certainly point to well coded s/w. The One's HTML5 and Java Script performance is below that of the One X+ and even the N2. Sense is a barren wasteland feature wise compared to similar LG and Samsung phones outside HTC's addition this of BlinkFeed and Zoe.

Amen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] GGXtreme:
I wouldn't say the lack of expandable storage has anything to do with Verizon. It's the direction HTC has been going since the One X, and Sprint was actually the carrier to have HTC *add* expandable storage. These are media consumption devices. Media takes up space, especially if you take a lot of pictures and videos, have a large collection of high quality music, or watch HD movies and shows during your commute. This doesn't even account for the growing size of the newest 3D games, which are already passing 1.5GB a piece. Removable storage is also a convenience thing, since not everyone has been having a great time adapting to MTP with Android's new unified app+storage partition, and some share memory cards between device (or simply want to bring over one from their old phone). Cloud storage isn't a great solution, because not everyone has the data speeds or data plans for streaming and some great times to watch a video are commuting on the subway or on a long flight (no reception). I don't like to have to pick and choose what part of my music collection to take with me, and I like being able to drag the next season of HD anime I plan on watching onto my device without wasting time and quality converting or worrying about space.
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
It is simple if you want looks and build quality go htc one

If you want best hardware and useless features then go Samsung galaxy s4
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
replying because i agree,

i wouldnt say useless features, though - gimmicky is fair but all phones have them.

for me, if i could excuse the design of s4 i would only buy it with the intention of putting CM on it ASAP.

that isn't the case with the One for me.

hasnt descended into the flame war i expected, so im going to put this out there....

would fans of the SGS4 agree that it is fair to say that HTC One won't get the sales it deserves relative to the GS4? (purely based on merit and not marketing)
[Galaxy S 4 General] GGXtreme:
I'm not sure I agree. The One is a nice device, and the build seems to outclass almost anything I've seen. But what is HTC's market? Is there a market so focused on build quality that they'll forgo the superior software, battery life and camera of something like an iPhone 5, which is well-built in its own regard?
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
Htc have many bug in his phones

See htc solve bug

htc one delayed
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Let's hope (for HTC's future health) that history doesn't repeat itself.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slapdaddy:
A minimum of two nandroid backups at about 900MB each..I usually keep 3 for different ROMs so let's say 3.

30GB of music.

30GB of movies/TV shows.

Camera pictures and HD videos totaling 10GB of data at any given time.

GPS map data totaling about 3GB per standalone GPS application. I use two due to different advantages of each....so 6GB there.

If you add all of that up, that's just under 79GB of data of guaranteed use. Just because some don't utilize the space, doesn't mean others don't. :) The more storage, the better imho.

Sent from my HTC PH39100.
[Galaxy S 4 General] husker91:
Using a poll like that is extremely flawed and biased. You think people with "perfect" phones are searching the web for a thread to vote/post in? I doubt it. It is the select few with problems who are searching for answers that run across a thread like that. Hell, my parents and sisters One X's are perfect but they didn't vote...
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
That's why I like Samsung but htc fix all bug then I will go for htc
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
Camera	waiting for reviews, but HTC gets my initial vote -- more dynamic range, better indoors, can't print as a poster. Sounds like a win.

Materials	Not sure. Sturdy plastic can be good.

CPU / GPU	tie. both are plenty powerful for me

Display	have to look at both in person to be sure, but I expect both are good enough to make me happy.

Software (TouchWiz)	I don't care for either.

Design	HTC wins easily. The HTC is gorgeous and sexy. The Samsung is, well, it looks like a large flat phone, I guess.

Battery	waiting for reviews of actual battery life. This might be a deal breaker for me, and Samsung's removable battery is in the lead.

Expandable Memory	Both have more than enough on-board memory for my needs.

Dev Support	I expect this will be a win for Samsung

You left out

Radios	I am waiting on tenterhooks to find out which is better at picking up a weak signal. That's a common issue for me, and the better radio will probably be the deal breaker, unless this is close and there's a big difference in battery life.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
HTC Acknowledges One X WiFi bug on Tegra 3 models

By Terrence O'Brien posted Jun 18th, 2012 at 6:19 PM

There's always some snag with these big flagship devices it seems. The iPhone 4 had antennagate, Verizon's Galaxy Nexus couldn't seem to stay connected and now the One X is joining the parade with some serious WiFi issues. Some users have complained of weak WiFi reception and, alarmingly, a rather odd fix. Simply squeezing the device in the right place could drastically improve signal strength indicating the issue may be hardware based. HTC has confirmed the issue and identified a fix that involves strengthening the connecting points on the phone's WiFi antenna. Interestingly, the issue has only been reported in Tegra 3 models so far, but we'd stop shy of saying it only affects those units. If you're experiencing problems with the WiFi on your One X you can call HTC's customer support to confirm the issue and send it in for repair.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/htc-acknowledges-one-x-wifi-bug-on-tegra-3-models/
[Galaxy S 4 General] Huck33:
to be honest

in terms of design, the HTC is over the s4.

but the fact that the S4 has an removable battery and a µsd slot make a big difference for me.

definitvely, i won't choose the One for the lake of µsd slot
[Galaxy S 4 General] thegh0sts:
for me i won't buy the HTC One because there's reports that HTC will lock out people who root their phones.

If i was gonna get an S4 I would like to see how the snapdragon version handles the 1080p screen compared to the exynos 5 version and if it handles very well then i would get

the snapdragon version because of qualcomm's support for the dev community since samsung doesn't give a damn about XDA.

while the octo-core cpu is cool i don't see how any support for it from samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] reggiexp:
GPU i like that android finaly gets the powervr 544mp3 i mean it's already in the apple ****s.. android still 540..

but i dont get why samsung doesnt put mali 605 in there. wierd
[Galaxy S 4 General] guitardoc64:
My 2 cents. Several have posted very good pros and cons of both. I personally will choose the S4 over the HTC Because of the sd card slot, removable battery, and most importantly, the lack of barriers that HTC puts up with regards to development. For that, HTC lost me as a customer. I have had HTC phones since the Apache back in '06 and the initial happiness I had with my latest, the EVO 3D has long worn off. They make a good product overall, and have good hardware, but I think they are trying to make an android iPhone with the one. Bring on my new life companion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxbat121:
In US, both phones will use the exact same Qualcomm chip. So there will be no difference in CPU and gpu. It all boils down to build quality, screen and android customization which are very subjective.

Sent from my RM-820_nam_canada_246 using Board Express
[Galaxy S 4 General] LordManhattan:
There are no reports of users being locked out after rooting the One. It's already been rooted, so take a look in the HTC One dev section. Samsung and HTC are both pathetic when it comes to dev support, so there's no point in arguing. If you want a dev friendly device, then go with a Nexus or Sony device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
I honestly wasn't expecting much from the s4 tbh but i like it and i think it is a very good phone but it has to be the one for me, the camera/video, video sound, stereo speakers, audio in headphones, call quality, battery life has been great aswell, the look and feel are just brilliant HTC all the way
[Galaxy S 4 General] kopkiwi:
I was planning on upgrading from my S3 to the S4, but the reveal just didn't wow me. I was hoping for an overhaul in appearance to a more premium looking product, they failed horribly.

The One on the other looks stunning and IMO is the best looking phone out there right now. The one thing that for me the GS4 has going for it is expandable memory. But Google music should help fix that issue for me.

I think the feature set of the One is more likely to get used more often as opposed to the somewhat gimmicky features included in the GS4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dahmmy:
I waited for Sammy to present the S4 until i decided....going with the HTC, doesnt mean im anti sammy but the htc just has the more appealing factor for me
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
First off I said fanboy because the quote I quoted was written by a fanboy or at least made it seem that way. And no obviously I don't think all people who have HTC are fanboys, because if you could read you would see i said myself if HTC was the one behind the s4 I'd buy it.... In fact I had the rezound and one x...and just because I put SD cards or removable battery doesn't make that the reason I think the s4 is a better device, its the hardware that makes me think that. But I will humour you and say that the battery and SD card is huge whether you use it or not. If you took two identical phones, one with removable batt and SD card, and the other without...the one that has the option is the better device, it doesn't matter if u need it or not... That's like saying a dual core isn't better than a single because "I don't need it, my single core works fine." Well guess what its still better even if you the god doesn't use it.

Y'all are taking my post far too seriously... It was only in reference to the dude who was acting like the s4 did NOTHING but add gimmicks... Which is ridiculous. The HTC is a great device, but its inferior to the s4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
What is with everybody and the alleged superior "built quality" of the HTC One? The fact that the S4 doesn't have metal case doesn't mean the build quality is not good. F1 cars don't have metal body and I'm pretty sure the build quality is extraordinary. The Corvette was made of fiberglass and they had a pretty good build quality. I don't know if the HTC One's build quality is good or not. But I know that Aluminium case DOES NOT automaticaly means build quality. Same goes for the S4.

BTW: My Clevo P150EM is made of poly-carbonate and it's an amazing build quality.
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
Thank you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] derWolf_:
The SIV does not have 2 speakers, but only one at the back?
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
They are seperated or at least appear to be.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
yes 2 speakers, and the S4 has the ability to share the music/sound with somebody so you can be two or more listening the same songs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Stevethegreat:
Technologically the s4 is the most advanced piece of machinery occupying as a small footprint of those that are (will be) released to the public...

HTC on the other hand is good in things that are very central in certain people's mind. I.e. The premium speakers but mostly the premium look.

Having said those, I do not see phones as luxury items so a premium look is not what I'm looking for but rather being at the cutting edge. So to me the answer is clear: Samsung,but I can see well why one would choose HTC...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
And the speaker grate on the One is larger than the actual speaker.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Hey don't talk against the design:p

Seriously they got me, I really thought the speakers were bigger.:eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] derWolf_:
@BarryH_GEG- oh, I see. Thx for the clarification. I hope then, those speakers sound as good as the One's.
[Galaxy S 4 General] keneath1:
edited here
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the thing. HTC and Samsung both hyped features of their new devices and, for the most part, we've bought in to them. The One was in people's hands first so there's more to pick apart comparing hype to reality against expectations. At this point, including my assumption the SGS4's speakers will be good, it's all based on logic (they appear 3X larger than the SGS3's) and blind trust. They could suck big time once people hear them. "UltraPixels" were hyped to death including schematics of the camera's design being sent to the media by HTC along with a detailed story describing their approach. After I read the logic behind it I was glad HTC may found a "secret sauce." Based on what I've seen so far the One's camera will be good but certainly not as good as what way hyped. There's a ton of new s/w features in the SGS4 and if half of them work less than 75% of the time they'll get panned. So it's easy to beat up the One in certain areas because it exists and the SGS4 is a unicorn. If the SGS4 came out first we'd picking it apart too. So HTC fans, just hang on a bit longer, your turn's coming up.
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
^^^^^^Wtf is that? ^^^^^^^

Troll much, post that crap somewhere else. Reported.

@ barryh..not your post..the one above yours :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Ddot196:
Thanks for clarifying squidder I retract my statement. :) carry on all.

coming from the og one x
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
The S4 has everything i could want at moment ( SoC, removable battery and SD), the only thing I think is poor is the design.....and price of course..lol

An S4 with the ONE look would be magnificent.

The plastic doesn't bother me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Vibrant03:
I laughed so hard!

Lol that's a good feature! Hahahah
[Galaxy S 4 General] xologist:
Let me answer this very easily.

It's HTC

HTC = Blocked bull****.

Samsung wins.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vapotrini:
Well for me personally, it's really not so much the plastic that get's me... it's the boring design. Same as the SGS 3. I didn't like that, nor do I like this. Not to mention the home button... I much, much prefer on screen buttons. Just my own personal preference.

BTW Barry, where did I say that anything on the One was better? The difference is, I'm not assuming anything is better on either, unlike some here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pack21:
This.

I'm really considering the ONE by his look, but when I see this picture ever convince me more to buy a S4.

I have an HD2 and a Lumia 800 .... and I know very well the difference it makes to have a removable battery or not.

Not in everyday life, but when I go on tour, or being out of my typical day..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Livebyte:
That would be a dream, the faux carbon fibre pattern on the S4 is one big enormous design mistake.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
huh :eek:

LOL :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
The home button just makes sense to me. It gives you a few more options as far as operating the phone. AND, it's nice to have some tactile feedback.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
In most cases "better" is subjective and my take on either device's features are no more or less relevant than anyone else's. Someone planning to run an AOSP/AOKP ROM could probably care less about either phone's UI or s/w features for example. But basic h/w and feature wise both phone's in S-600 form are pretty evenly spec'd. So when someone says "there's more to the One than design and sound" that's true compared to the One X but not the SGS4. Outside of those things, the camera, BlinkFeed, and Zoe there's little unique over the SGS4. While the laundry list of the SGS4's unique features may not appeal to everyone equally there's a lot more different between the SGS4 <> SGS3

and

the SGS4 <> One. So how important or meaningful the additional features of the SGS4 are all depends on the value a potential owner places on them. Who knows, BlinkFeed could become the next Angry Birds and sell millions of additional phones for HTC. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Many of the features called "gimmicks" by many are pioneer in our digital world. Remember when the first remote control came out? Every body was laughing and saying "what's the use? I don't need that". Try to remove the remote control today and you will start a nuclear war. The ALL SHARE features are the same. Now people don't see the use for it but when you start seeing people using it people will change their minds.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
I'm pretty sure some things that are gimmicks today will be standard in a few years, but maybe not implemented exactly as they are now. For instance, the "hover to activate" feature will probably find a lot of use, but my guess is that I will hate this implementation (if I get the Samsung) and turn it off. I already curse "hover to expand menu" on mouse-based web pages. The "scroll when I've read to the bottom" feature has a ton of potential, but I will se shocked if it is implemented in a way most users who actually read stuff will like. Not that I don't think the interface issues will eventually be worked out (which will partly involve training the people) but I doubt I want this implementation.

Those are both obviously more innovative than blinkfeed, and may both have legs, but I would likely use blinkfeed, especially once they open up hooks so you can pick most things as content.

Of course, if you just like to be on the bleeding edge and have the coolest new features, the Samsung gimmicks should make you a happy puppy. :)

Both phones look really nice.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
So many features are unspoken for. Multi-player gaming ON PHONE! You really think this won't catch up? How about 3D HD tv output or 3D pictures(Yes you can take real 3D pictures), S-Health, 802.11ac wifi, etc...Of course these features seems gimmicky because they are at an early stage. but when the first Nintendo came out there was not so many games to play with. In 2 years this phone will still be up to date, and 2 years is a long time in the smartphone world.
[Galaxy S 4 General] expertzero1:
im voting on the battery.

Since the note 2 has rediculous battery life with its exynos processor.

Since this is exynos 5 with a 2600 mah battery it should be nasty!

Just gotta wait for reviews in april.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
When you mean "ridiculous" do you mean good or bad? I just bought a Note2(haven't receive it yet) I'm guessing you mean good but I would like to be sure.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I can't figure out which one's aluminum and which one's plastic? Hmm.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Arsaw:
Let me guess. The square looking one is made of plastic. :D

By the way, both case are damn ugly. Choose a better one next time :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] expertzero1:
good. excellent. didn't need to charge it for at least every 2-3days. wake up use it the whole day sleep. use it again the next day is just awesome

my nexus 4 lasts only only a day or less sadly. I know yaya the battery size is different. some people say that but the screen on time is double on the note 2 even though it has 1000 mah more. you'll love the note

missing the days with my note.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Practically the same arguments that were used last year and the year before are being used now. Gs2 vs Sensation 2011 gs3 vs one X 2012 and now the s4 vs HTC one. It all comes down to htcs advantages being build materials and quality and screen (debatable) while samsung always wins on sd card slot removable battery timely updates etc. Samsung usually wins in sales and it will be no different this year. HTC has upped their game with the One and it looks absolutely fantastic. But the s4 will win again.
[Galaxy S 4 General] _deleted_:
Had a little 'clean-out', lets stay on topic people :) and no snide personal remarks, XDA is a place for development of devices, not comments on people's lives :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
If I used fat cases over my gadget like that, I would be completely uninterested in what it looked like. And if I always had fast wifi, I would be completely uninterested in how much storage I could stuff onto the phone.

I've never used a case for my phone. I had a case for my last PDA, but I only used it when I packed the thing. It was too bulky to use daily, and my pocket is a relatively benign environment.

Anyhow, it's more interesting to talk about how the phones are different, and what good features they have. We all know that some features won't apply to us, and most of us don't care much which features don't apply to you.

Which is better for searching for contacts? One thing that annoys me on my current gingerbread phone is that when I search for a name, I might get three different listings for the same person (one stored locally and backed up on my hard drive, one stored by Google, and one in Facebook, which is sometimes completely different from the other two. My Pre used to collapse all that into one listing for ordinary use (you could force it to show them separately when you wanted to edit something, but that's much rarer than looking someone up.) I miss that functionality. Is it part of JB? Sense? Touchwiz?