yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
The A15 was ARM's first foray into server class CPUs. You can't compare an A15 constrained in a phone with one that has unlimited cooling.

No, Samsung set 1.6GHz as the limit for their GS4 one because for now that's the best they can economically do.

Again, if they put Snapdragon into something without the constraints of a phone, its design inherently allows for higher clocks (i.e., lower IPC in exchange for higher clocks). The paper limitations in the specifications are only there again because of the phone constraints.

You can wax rhetoric as much as you like but facts are the Snapdragon has a similar power envelope with a higher clock in the GS4 versus the Exynos 5 (but is outperformed by the A15 and PowerVR).
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
and some benchmarks here

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

The other side of XDA :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Out of the htc one information thread
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Actually I was replying to the part where you said A15s are meant(which means theoretically) to be clocked lower than snapdragons (I pre assume s600) and you are right A15s were first used in servers, that is the reason A15's are meant to be clocked higher (2ghz)

But it is completely impractical to use such high clocks on our smartphones currently , which I agree totally and I didn't meant to say that but what I stated above was my intention.

, as for benchmarks geekbench shows octa performs better in the cpu area.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Ah, I see. My implication was that in a phone it needed lower clocks to fit the power envelope.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm i don't think so u can OC the s600 more than 2Ghz

people already reported overheating issue on HTC One :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
Octa not using final software :rolleyes:

probably powervr and Sammy still optimizing the GPU driver
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jubei1:
A15 is designed to run at up to 2,5 GHz. The frequency is not limited by design but by process. Same reason S600 is limited to 1,9 Ghz but S800 can run up to 2,3 GHz because it will be built on TSMC 28nm HKMG.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=6559

benchmark...
[Galaxy S 4 General] AlexDmi:
Here's my benchmarks for the i9505, guys -

GL benchmark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV0HW0J2UKM

Antutu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VD-UHxaYgk

AndroBench https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M_SnqXRxmg

I think I also have one pic of the quadrant, but I think it's at home... I'll search for it and see if I can find it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
New information. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40470241&postcount=4

The A15 in the GS4 turbos if not all 4 cores are in use (1.8GHz for 1-2 and 1.7GHz for 3).

This means the Geekbench results cannot be directly compared to the Snapdragon because the score is a composite of single-core and multi-core tests. Turbo screws with that so you have to use only the individual multi-core tests if you want to compare.

It also means any benchmark need to specify whether it's multi-core as well as if it scales to 4 cores properly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
thanks the 3Dmark benchmark is getting better : )
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
*snip* haha you edited.

[MENTION=2088416]AlexDmi[/MENTION]

Do you think you can do a CF-bench for us?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1366618908.html

best score ever
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jercote:
http://www.yugatech.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/

The galaxy s4 gt-i9505 with s600 scoring over 28k on the yugatech review. That is much higher than previous scores anybody thinks it could be a fluke or due to a firmware update?
[Galaxy S 4 General] vinantius.hendy:
amrriages thestsm

Yess i could confirmed. Samsung has open pre-order in my country (Indonesia) w/ Exinos 5401 octa-core. Estimate delivery time started from May, 01
[Galaxy S 4 General] Billy Madison:
could you or somebody run all or some benches and post results into general thread? specially Basemark X, 3DMark, Relative benchmark
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UDJqSI1Nws

best score ever on octa...29144 in antutu
[Galaxy S 4 General] system.img:
Mind blown.

Wonder how more powerful it will be when overclocked! :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
agree...1.8ghz should be able to reach 31k in antutu...:laugh:

jz too bad samsung din choose rogue or 554mp3 or t604/t658 gpu...:p

exynos 5 octa can match snapdragon 800 cpu performace with slightly overclock..

but adreno 330 beats 544mp3 for sure...:eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Now the big question is... What's more important : GPU or CPU?

Adreno is better and have the OpenGL 3.0

My opinion is that for a smartphone the S600 A9 cores are enough. The GPU is more important for a gamer.

The only thing that could make the Octa the winner (and makes people forget about that GPU) is the battery life.

Even chrome and all the games are still using OpenGL 2.0 so the powervr shouldn't be a problem. However the Samsung idiots could put at least 4 cores.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jianlinooi:
of cuz gpu is more important...cpu ady much better on android than iphone...i pretty sure next iphone will pawns current android flagship...should be on par with adreno 330 or slightly better
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
Wow GPU of the OCTA version doesn't seems so underpowered after all look at that basemark X score from i9500 variant

Compared to the i9505 variant

From this review http://www.yugatech.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Yugatech was the website pretending that their i9505 scored 28000 in antutu, score that nobody could reach yet or even get close to work the S600 version. Same kind of score right now, I'm not trusting those guys
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
Here's a comparison between both version in benchmarks (i9500 vs i9505) : http://pocketnow.com/2013/04/30/galaxy-s-4-octa-vs-galaxy-s-4-quad-video

It seems the i9500 is faster than the i9505 except for 3DMark..

But I've seen so many different scores for both versions, it shows it depends on more than just the hardware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
And there is GLBenchmark too ! Also OpenGL ES 3.0

I got an answer that makes me thinking again about what phone to buy: http://withimagination.imgtec.com/i...or-todays-leading-platforms#comment-880303396

As you see....PowerVR is powerful but lacks on OpenGL ES 3.0. TADAAAAA !!!

As AlexVoica said, most of people updates the phone on 2 years basis, so that wouldn't "probably" be a problem, that depends on what kind of apps and games developers are releasing. So...it's the Octa really deserve the risk ? I don't think so...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
I can't watch the video yet, I've just looked at the result which don't include GLBenchmark.

But you're right, on GLBenchmark results page, you can see the i9505 is faster than the i9500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
I haven't watched it either, but I'll do it in few hours. But there are essential things missing in the Octa while others not essential are just there.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Lower Glbenchmark results (2.5) could be a software issue:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] cosimoss:
My I9505, 3DMark, Auto brightness on, Wifi on:
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
OpenGL ES 3.0 isn't a software issue :p

Don't forget powervr is a 4 years old gpu, not 1 year like Adreno 320
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Yup it is , but it will perform almsot same (or even better) compared to adreno 320 at least this year, if you look at triangle throughput of GT-I9500 it is way lower than iPhone 5 which is completely wrong (both have same gpus).

So I think old drivers could be the cause.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
I think that Samsung's decision to use MP3 is intentional. That way both variants of phone (Qualcomm / Exynos) will have

similar

GPU power. In GLbenchmark 2.5, I don't see much difference between these 2 models, atleast nothing significant.

If they had used MP4, I think the Exynos would have raced ahead by 20% (guessing here).

But from the pocketnow video, the most interesting take was the batterylife, not the performance benchmarks.

Batterylife was more in Exynos version.

AnTuTu battery life tests showed better results for Exynos version.

Then they performed a real-life test with all exact settings, screen brightness. Exynos won that test too. Not by much though. Same tests resulted in 27% battery utilization in Exynos version and 32% utilization in Qualcomm version. That's like approx 15% difference.

I will be interested in extra 15% more juice!
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Totally with you Clariion. I'm sure that's the reason, but still doesn't explain the difference in 2.7 T-rex. That test, together with the lack of OpenGL ES 3.0 prices that the GPU is good, but too older for the new graphics this year. If Samsung or imagination would upgraded their gpu series with an open gl es 3.0 and with better scores in 2.7 (I don't want better score than the Snapdragon version, but at least similar), the phone would rock. But why having a future cpu why having an old and slow gpu. This is a contradiction of the law of improvement and technology. It's like putting a Ferrari engine on a 1970 car

[MENTION=4278513]I9100G[/MENTION]: I don't really know to read those benchmarks since I don't know 100% what they means. It could be a driver, but why the test devices and the final version have the same results? Imagination said they updated their gpu with a new API back in January, so I will suppose that those drivers are only 4 months old.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Even with the discrepancy between the 9500/9505, it's still impressive to see the overall benchmarks in comparison even to phones from last year. Can't wait to see what next year does as well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] blackknightavalon:
24524 on Antutu.

Sent from Spaceball One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jetbruceli:
It looks like the biggest real improvement over the s3 is the CPU. The GPU scores are the same as the s3!!!???
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
Ranking Antutu new record:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
It shouldn't be the case, Adreno 320 is a lot faster than Mali 400, but that screenshot is confusing indeed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jetbruceli:
No doubt but from what I see the only thing showing off the power of the 320 over the Mali is benchmarks like 3dmark but when I play mc4 it has the added effect which my nexus 7 doesn't but my nexus 7 scores higher in 3dmark.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
You have to remember the Galaxy S4 is running at 1080p resolution. It takes much power from the GPU.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mflow:
Stock Galaxy S4 GT-i9500,

looks like the stock Korean version is higher.. lol. let's wait for custom kernels and stuff :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
My AT&T Snapdragon version...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Akhil:
I don't think korean version is any different , here's my indian version benchmark results.
[Galaxy S 4 General] phownage:
Funny. I have the Korean Version and my aututu score is off the charts.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hendrickson:
29040 here on my Eynos octacore model.
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
What the !?
[Galaxy S 4 General] mflow:
nahhh, my friend got Korean version of S4, and it is definitely topping the Antutu chart.

just like this guy i quoted down here.

Korean version has higher clockspeed for the A15 cores. *i think* , and looks like Quadrant Benchmark cannot give more load for the CPU test. lol. pretty much look the same.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
:eek::eek:

WOW

is it [MENTION=4149147]1.8[/MENTION] ??
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Lets wait and see what the kernel devs can .. who knows maybe the i9505 will OC better than the i9500 ... the results may end up different
[Galaxy S 4 General] alchemist316:
Wow

Note its at 1.4 i have no idea why but oh well :banghead:
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
My gt-i9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] alchemist316:
The us att version scored less than the one clocked higher if im not mistaken
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tom-Helge:
Do i have the highest Quadrant score so far for GT-i9500 and GT-i9505?

This is with the build 'XXUAMDE'.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
Amazing what do you get on Antutu?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Akhil:
Good, you got the highest score but why i don't see it at the top of ranking in antutu?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
It takes time until the top 10 chart get updated.
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
:eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
He also could have not uploaded he's score, if it stays local to his device it will not appear on the chart, you have to manually submit your score if you want it to appear on this list
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.codedivine.rgbenchbw&hl=en

Can someone with S4 try this benchmark, this benchmark tests peak memory bandwidth.
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
Gt i9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] Akhil:
Might be or may be a hack.

There were some scores in antutu some time back which toped the chart but it was removed by antutu because all those scores were a fake.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Thanks. Do you think you can also run RgbenchMM for 1 thread, 2 thread and 4 threads?

I'd like to confirm something about the benchmark and 4 threads compared to the lower numbers on a different quad than the Snapdragon.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.codedivine.rgbench
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm thats funny the GS4 with Octa have 2 - 3 times faster memory than N2 and lag and stutter here and there while N2 smooth as butter
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
can u share the snapdragon results :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
4568 MB/s (4757 MB/s on Second try)

4409 MB/s (4334)

4555 MB/s (4611)

4631 MB/s (4924)
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
no i mean the CPU floating point test

RgbenchMM

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.codedivine.rgbench
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Ran it once(scores could vary):

4 threads: 3237 MFlops

2 threads: 2035 Mflops

1 Thread: 815 MFlops
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
my N2

4 threads: 2553 MFlops

2 threads: 1353 MFlops

1 Thread: 518 MFlops
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
I dont see what that would be good for to be honest, even S3 was and is to powerful for a mobile and S4 has like 3 times the power so with OC you will not gain anything beside less battery, sure its fun to play with it and max out the charts but beside that i dont see a real benefit here. Both i9500 and i9505 are beasts :)

I get my s4 tomorrow or the day after , damn i cant wait ....:silly::p:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
This is incredible how close at 1.6ghz the international is getting to that 32.5k score from korean 1.8ghz variant. That says something for the amazing quality of Samsungs cpus..
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
I'm don't really care about benchmarks so I won't comment but here you go, for all who want to compare it.....

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] touness69:
How is it an achievement ? O_o

Do you know that this is actually the exact same chip on the korean variant ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Totally agree. I don't care about cpu benchmarks. 10k in antutu means 500 ms in apps. But +5-6 fps in videos and games worths. That's what makes i9505 better ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
oh cool story bro

Exynos Octa with latest update :cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
Close but still 2nd... :D Nice try though :D

Btw, it's true, I don't give a sh*t about it..

I've been testing my HD VOICE ROM running on latest MDM with the "Old" unlocked kernel and I just wanted to know if it's worse than the Locked one... As you can see, it's ALL fine.... Both Kernels are Identical in terms of performace!!! ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
Close in 3dmark, but 100 miles away in GLBenchmark :laugh: Even Nexus 4 is better there. Can't wait to see people crying when GLBenchmark OpenGL 3.0 test will be released and their upper, dupper stuffer Octa will fail from beginning :good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rsEc-upvSY
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
Thats exactly what I mean all 4 play... Not for any seriousness LOL just for lols
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
If you look at the score breakdown for 3DMark, you'll find the Graphics scores are tilted towards the i9505

The i9500 gets similar scores because it has a more powerful CPU (A15) but a weaker GPU (PowerVR) which pushes up the Physics scores.

i9500

Graphics 1: 34FPS

Graphics 2: 20FPS

Physics: 41FPS

i9505

Graphics 1: 50FPS

Graphics 2: 47FPS

Physics: 31FPS
[Galaxy S 4 General] eric-filth:
Weaker GPU only in 3DMark.

I dont know if opengl3.0 this year will be used in games because ipads and iphones have "same" gpu and what i know major games is a ported from ios devices.

Anyway, for me Octa is the better option in all aspects.

Enviado do meu GT-I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
And other benchmarks too like GLBenchmark and Basemark ES Taiji. It's pretty much settled now that the GPU edge is on the i9505 while the CPU edge is for the i9500 (but the CPU edge is larger than the GPU edge).
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
LOOOOOL

are u ok dude ?

u are comparing normal test vs extreme :eek::eek::eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Okay I made a mistake.

Post the Standard FPS then. The Graphics score of the Adreno 320 is still higher than the PowerVR.

Seriously, can't you folks discuss in a mature manner?
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Bravo, you just compared i9500 extreme scores with the i9505 default scores! Great argumentation there. :good:

Here are the scores on my own i9500, first run on both default and extreme.

-

For comparison: the right/last image show the i9505 average scores. The only place the i9505 leads is in Graphics Test 2 by 17% in both tests.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Yes, I admit I made a mistake.

But look at the lead in the GT1: 1-2FPS which is only about 4% difference

The lead in GT2 is is 7FPS (17% as you say) and is a more difficult test

Seriously, it's okay to say that the GPU of the Exynos does appear to be a little weaker overall than the Snapdragon's GPU. It's not like it diminishes the i9500.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
Before you decide check the battery life for both, my i9505 has amazing battery, been using it full day and lots of playing around and still at 30%, its hell allot better than my S3. I read somewhere i9500 was close to same but i9505 was a bit better in respect to this even if they expected the i9500 to be better due to the big.little thingy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
What about GLBenchmark mate ? Comparing S3 which gets 5 fps in gl with s4, you actually can see that 5 fps means a lot in graphics. More that the damn cpu.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Same scores as everybody else posted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
That one...same battery life (at least now), better support on S600, LTE and no overheating issues + 2 years local warranty makes me choose the S600.

Also, looks like OCta price is dropping. S600 is $50 more expensive in some stores
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
better support ?? if u really mean AOSP support , why the hell u want AOSP ROM on GS4 and u will lose all the great features :eek:

and there is no overheating issue on Octa version :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
No, I don't need AOSP, I love Crapwiz (really). If I would like AOSP I would be happy with S3, seriously. By support I mean that 80% of the people talking about "S4" refers to the S600 version. Even if I have issues with the S4 octa and I need to call to Samsung to talk about it or warranty they will tell me: "You have an unsupported device for this country and also you don't have warranty for it", also as you see, things like rooting and other development things comes for S600 first. ;)

About heating...yeah, issues are rarely, just like the issues with S3 emmc. Just a small percentage is affected. Still A15 is more power hungry when the phone is not sleeping, incorrect switching (per core) of the big.LITTLE technology and similar battery life makes me better choose the S600
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
Yupp that is why I'm also preferring s600, it's a proven and optimized CPU as for a15 it's new and adding big.little make more complex so in the end I also believe s600 is the safest bet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
I respect A15, but only for tablets. A15 sounds nice, but is too much for a mobile. I instead prefer better graphics. As [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] said somewhere in this thread, the cpu switch is done when the apps needs more than 600 MHz (hope I'm not wrong), so I'm kinda sure that, for example, playing NFS Most Wanted on an Octa will "drink" all the juice from the battery way faster than S600. Powerful ? Yes! New tech ? Yes! Energy friendly ? Not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SirCanealot:
A lot of games will probably stay on the a7s. The kernel isn't that dumb. Most games barely stress out a9s (rarely see a game pin my note ii at 1.8) so I doubt you'll see the a15s kick in that often except in demanding games.

But no, of course the a15s aren't as optimised as they could be. But they're not going to be that much better Or worse that the krait cores...
[Galaxy S 4 General] I r o n M a n:
Sent using my S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] lostmyphone:
Decided to do a hard reset with an emphasis on tweaking.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yocheng:
I'm the one who got the 30898 Antutu socre on Exynos Octa core couple of days ago. I have to say the high score is largely useless, coz that was achieved for benchmark only in a freezer, while CPU frequence set at 1400MHz~1600MHz with governer on "performance". In everyday use, no one would actually put GS4 under such extreme condition, and even if someone's crazy enough to try, the heating would ban you from doing that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] matheus_sc:
gpu is not better, in this bench only win because power dont have open gl 3.0 and adreno have.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jercote:
My sgh-I337M

Not bad :)

Edit: Added linpack
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
43,170 cpu for snapdragon variant :eek: It's as par as the exynos variant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] demlasjr:
The test is OpenGL ES 2.0 mate. It has nothing to do with 3.0

It's just weaker. POWERVR is 4 years old, not 6 months old
[Galaxy S 4 General] btemtd:
4Fun :D

Ok so far officially my best....

I9505 LTE International Version

SD Card 64gb Sandisk

Pure Stock Rooted

Cleared Cached apps in memory before each turn.

70% Bloat ware removed

Battery 40 %

Apps used: Antutu & Quadrant Pro (Latest version to date.)

The best results are in the attachments!

Note

: I did do the tests at different times but did it the same way for both apps the only difference with antutu I decided to turn of mobile data I am not sure if that made a difference, I doubt it, anyway I ran the tests 3 x times on each app with a 2 min brake between each turn to let the phone cool down abit.

Lowest = 24500_ Antutu QuadrantPRO_12500 (Roughly) as I did not right down the exact number

Highest= Check Attachments

My Geekbench attachment was not part of this test it was just a test I did randomly & out of the 5 times I ran it this is the best I have got... It hovers around 3200-3250
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Very impressive and that JK shin was totally right that there is not noticeable difference between the variants (even when considering the Exynos variant run [MENTION=1247388]1.6[/MENTION]GHz).
[Galaxy S 4 General] armedking:
my s4 gt-i9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] zaki aziz:
wow..nice..

mine score more higher than this..feel great..
[Galaxy S 4 General] om22:
please don´t quote the whole OP.
[Galaxy S 4 General] zaki aziz:
sorry mate due quote original thread..

TQ
[Galaxy S 4 General] Vadrieldur:
S4 octa-core fully stock.. not rooted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] armedking:
my s4 gt-i9500 amazing quadrant score

highest score I got on my s4 stock rooted mdk firmware
[Galaxy S 4 General] mw86:
So this is the i9500, thats an impressive cpu score and I am surprised to see such similar scores now octa vs s600.