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[Galaxy S 4 General] muayyadf1:
While the S4 has a larger pixle count, it cannot take the best pictures in all conditions. Same goes for the HTC One, good for low light, macro images, portraits and moving objects. Anything else, S4 is better. I take the One because I take pictures in the scenarios mentioned.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hoola20055:
The pictures taken with a camera phone are still taken with a camera phone.and ANY of them can be used on Facebook and Instagram. No awards or magazine publishing's. I chose sgs4 because of the features. The(decent) camera is a great bonus.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Do you have sd600 or not . I had the uk sd600 and my pics are pretty bad with a slow shutter speed ?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Can you post some of them? That was one of my concerns with the S4 camera after what I've read.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Kind of regretting my decision of going with the S4, as I cannot seem to take a shot that would not be blurry. Only time I have managed that was during the day, but at restaurants and at my friends' houses it is just damn near impossible. Adding that to the lag and stutters, this phone is just not worth the 644€ I paid for it right now. The i9500 appears to be a bit better, but it's just not worth the hassle of trying to find one. Samsung really screwed up this time around.

EDIT: Here a tip btw.: hold down the shutter button in order to let it focus before taking a shot; it will allow you to get sharper pictures more often (it was the same on the Nexus 4). Just tapping the shutter button won't do it.

EDIT: Oh, also noticed that Night Mode gives me the least blurry shots, regardless of time of day(sports and auto are blurry, or have a lot of noise, but Night Mode shots are always clean and sharp).
[Galaxy S 4 General] nadalzeal:
^ holding the shutter button will make burst shots right?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Only if you have burst shot enabled.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yes, please share them (preferably with link to full size) in the PHOTO thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2213853 :good:

We'll get the answer sooner or later. Chipworks identified the I9500 sensor as stacked which means it's the Exmor RS, Brian identified the IMX091PQ based on SW information, that is close to be accurate too, the final proof would be identifying the sensor if it's stacked or not with a close-up photo like this:
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Try increasing ISO to 800 from settings, that should decrease shutter lag, maybe it locks ISO too low in auto mode? And that might be the reason for faster shutter speed at night time.

Or maybe a faulty unit?
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Maybe you got a device with a faulty camera. All the reviews shows that the s4's camera is one of the best camera phone out there so it's sound weird that the retail units are worst than the reviewers units.

When I got my first s3 I've had the same problem, so I went to the store and they exchanged it for a new device which I am holding right now and it is taking fantastic photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Camera is fine, it is just the Auto mode that sucks, as I can take sharp pics in Night and Sport mode(sport pics are a bit noisy). Just upgraded the camera firmware so things might have gotten better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] noideaforusername:
Maybe it's just a bug in the firmware that will be sorted out in the next firmware.:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] marmarm:
Just played with both phones inside of one store and tried to capture few images with both...I was surprised that s4's images were better (less noise, not washed out colors, not grainy) even the light conditions were far from ideal....but s4 touchwiz just ruined everything!!why is it so laggy and slow! they cannot be serious! anyway...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Shutter lag should improved with updates, the HW is there for fast responsiveness, ISO preference however is up to the devs at Samsung, right now the S4, the Snapdragon variant at least, prefers low ISO for less noise over higher ISO for better fast motion. As a purist I actually appreciate this, but for those shooting a lot of motion, this could be a headache, so as you said, sport mode is recommended.

I'm curious how the Exynos 5 Octa does in terms of responsiveness and auto shots, come on guys, share some experience. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I also just tried to use one in a store. Camera just kept closing due to low battery. Bit of a disappointment.

I agree with TouchWiz though, can't see how anyone would buy one after using one running in store demo mode.....terrible. Much worse than my S3 was.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Just went through the Build.prop(tweaking to get rid of all the lag I can(AOSP animations in framework-res.apk got rid of the stuttering animations :good:)), and found the following line:

service.camera.gpu.enable=0

changed it to 1 and now my camera seems to launch much quicker. Added a bunch of other tweaks at the same time so I have no idea if this tweak made a difference, but do test my build.prop below and see if it makes a difference for you(remember to change the permissions afterwards to rw-r--r--, and the file extension)!
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
Could be different conditions...

1. I was using the phone inside

2. I was problably closer

3. Much waving with hands etc

I now have a S4 and Im not impressed with the cam so far. As already mentioned it will problably be fixt by updates, but zsl etc should be there I think.

Well, time to play with it.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Forneus1:
Hi all,

I use my SGS3 heavily for pictures and video and whilst I love the SGS4 and all the otehr features what's really dissapointed me is why Samsung made the focal length longer so that you can't fit more into your picture without stepping back. It's a real letdown from the SGS3 and I'd expect this in mid range phone not a 13 megapixel shooter.

I like a wide field of view. I understand less detail may be captured but i'd rather have the full picture that I can edit later than not.

I also use my phone as a flashlight and the brightness is much lower than on the SGS3.

For this reason, I'm sticking with my SGS3 till something else comes out.. I had a SGS2 as well so I guess I'll likely be waititng for the SGS5.

Though is it a software thing with focal length or definately hardware? I'm thinking it can't be changed as it's the hardware.

Wish this wasn't the case or I'd get the SGS4 in a heartbeat...don't like the HTC One at all.

Cheers,

FORNEUS
[Galaxy S 4 General] szymon247:
Frankly I can't understand people saying that the One has a good camera and compare it to the S4 camera. I mean, I don't have any of these phones, but the image quality on the One strikes me as particularly poor, they don't even look good next to old school Sony Ericsson 5mpx phone cameras.

It's really beyond me, because while I quite like the One the camera struck me as the absolutely worst thing about it.

Here's a great comparison from GSMArena's photo comparison tool, just check it:

http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=5371&idPhone2=5313&idPhone3=2671

S4:

HTC One:

S4:

HTC One:

No other way of pasting them, they are 1:1 crops. Check the link if you want to compare them better, you can even try downsizing the S4 shots to One's 3mpx resolution.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lilvfr400boy:
Htc one camera is the best phone camera iv had it's put my Xperia z to shame couldn't stand the blue haze I get on my z, sgs users + lovers check the one forums out we just got an update that fixed an ios related bug on camera now the photos look the best out of any phone iv seen, even better then lumia now
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Lol. Read the thread dude. Your totally missing the point. That is a lovely comparison though I will be sure to do that when taken pictures of fast moving pics using the super wide lens and OIS ;)

Latest techno buffalo comparison states he prefers one camera and moat other reviews also. Its all about what you use it for.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
I went and checked it out again (I've been checking the One "Photos" thread from time to time, especially when someone says there's another new update), and I really don't get it.

Some people seem to be impressed by most of those pictures, although the good looking ones are usually those that are resized to a portion of the screen.

Otherwise, they just clearly lack details (just look at the background on most pictures, or branches, grass, ...), and there's a lot of noise.

Quite a few people also say that the pictures look great when viewed on the phone screen (that I don't doubt for one second), but don't look good on the TV or computer screen.

Somehow, I'm wondering if I'm missing something, can you post some pictures you consider "the best out of any phone you've seen, even better than the lumia"?

For me, the only thing that impressed me is its ability to capture movement, but besides that, I'm very disappointed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
All i can say is you need to use both. I have both. In average, admittedly amateur use, I consistently get better pictures with the One than with the GS4. Lots of people seem to be saying the same thing.

Sent from my HTC One
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
I agree. Had both now. Sent both back as my S4 was laggy and slow to takes snaps plus blurry fast moving shots. Htc had dead pixels and gaps.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
I don't think this thread should be open anymore. It's complete trolling going on now.

Since it's a GS4 forum, I see no reason why something about HTC One should be posted here. Going by same logic, I think we should have a GS4 vs Xperia Z, GS4 vs iPhone5 or vs Nokia 920 thread also.

If such threads are not allowed, I don't see a reason why HTC One thread should be allowed here. Such a thread doesn't exist in HTC One forum. Just because of this reason, we see countless trolls in this forum.

That's upto moderators to decide, but I think we should have consistency in this regard.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
i9500 or i9505 ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Uk sd600. .... maybe I got a bad one. So confused.

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---------- Post added at 11:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 PM ----------

Bore off. Its a useful thread for people trying to decide what phone to buy? Maybe you should just un subscribe?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Did I ask for your opinion about what I should do? Keep your expert opinions to yourself.

No wonder trolls are attracted to this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
HMM IDK but yesterday i went to shop and played with GS4 I9505X :eek:

and there is definitely shutter lag on the camera :silly:

on GS3 or Note2 as soon as u tap the shutter boom pic took :D

(maybe it software issue )
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
Maybe that's why I consistently get better pictures on my One than in my GS4.

Sent from my HTC One
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Ah yes...... my wifes s3 is super fast taking pics... must be a software issue. Not sure what camera sensor the sd600 variant has though.

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---------- Post added at 12:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 AM ----------

Lol. Not expert opinions just opinions of someone who owned both phones so wanted to share my experiences with users here to compare the cameras on both phones. Is that not what the thread is for. Oh yes and please bore off Muppet.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Galaxy S4 HDR
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Here's a few shots from my I9505 all auto mode. First 2 pics are in 9.6mp. The pic of the police car is taken from my girlfriend's car traveling at about 35-40 kmph.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Guy says the S4 has the best camera of any phone he has ever used. If I remember correctly, the verge said that the camera on the S4 is astonishing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXmzpFoHkfA
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
Ok. Have been playing with the phone now for 24 hours.

I get good pics in good light

Still have problem getting unblurred pics of the kids indoors

The nightmode, we'll I have kids. Using flash.

The shutter lag makes it pretty hard working with the camera.

I normally own most flagship and so far this far the S4 is the most powerful and most unfinished I ever had.

Lags, loads of them. System/camera

Gallery freezing and slow

This phone needs 3g ram or a rom where all crap been removed.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-an...-software-intervention-check-out-the-samples/

"Obviously the HTC dev team has done a good job optimizing the One camera output. However, as far as daylight perfromance is concerned the Taiwanese flagship is still unable to match the Galaxy S4, which arguably has the best camera in the Android realm."
[Galaxy S 4 General] KillaHurtz:
People that are talking about lag obviously don't realize we have ddr3, while the One had ddr2 ram. Once the software is ironed out the hiccups will be gone, I remember all the complaints of the Note 2 wake up lag when it launched.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Galaxy S4 beats all rivals in our camera tests, except in low light

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/gal...ur-camera-tests-except-in-low-light-50011117/
[Galaxy S 4 General] vdhawwan:
Funny Thing..Had come here to post the same thing but I found it already posted by you..

So this should be the end of argument. S4 has the best camera. End of Story.

I have been using the S4 for a week now and my cousin has been using the HTC One for nearly two weeks now, and even he admits that the level of details of S4 Camera simply cannot be matched by the HTC One Camera...

P.S. My Cousin works for HTC R&D..!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Agreed. I think a custom rom is the only way to sort this phone out. The hardware is obviously there. I am sure I had a faulty one now after seeing the pics as I could not get anything near the quality that's been posted here.

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---------- Post added at 12:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:42 PM ----------

Did you have much luck with motion shots ?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Galaxy S4 vs. HTC One fireworks. Night with sharp light flashes, it is a testing environment. The Galaxy S4 is consistent all the way, focus, white balance and framerate is stable, not much shake.

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The HTC One however has major frame and focus inconsistencies, strangely the sounds are more muted, the explosions seem cleaner with the Galaxy

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[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
loool
[Galaxy S 4 General] nageshv24:
Macro mode

Is there Macro setting in S4 or there is a separate mode for this?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
I'm waiting for my One. Let's if it will take action shots. S4 do not mix with kids playing. Hopefully future firmwares will adress this. I don't really mind quality as much as defeat Mr blurry cam.

I know shoots like this one is extremely hard, but it's the kind I want to save. My Nexus One can take ok pics as long lightening and steady hand plays along...

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[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
The One will cope better but it is the lower lights too. But the S4 is taking some cracking shots otherwise.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
Problably, the problem is that I have at least 30 outdoor shots with the same problem. The world's best camera the one your holding when it's happening :)

It takes good pictures outdoor if the light is right, I've spent the day plying. The shutter lag, ui lag etc is bothering me though. I just love the guides that saying we should hold be camera still for another 0.5 sekunds after the click :)

Hopefully Samsung rush new firmwares as fast as they obviously did with he phone. I have fate they will.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Yes the one does pics like this very well indeed. Its the pros with the camera of the one.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Better light definitely helps, but here's a couple I took today with the One
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Does anyone know how to read out what the sensor is in our GS4's? Is it confirmed that we got the Exmor R instead of the Exmor RS?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
Great actionshoots!

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[Galaxy S 4 General] muayyadf1:
Thanks for letting people know where the trade off, pays.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Galaxy S4 Sports Mode

Car is moving around 120 km/h
[Galaxy S 4 General] muayyadf1:
120 km/h on this road:confused:

The shot is noisy though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
was for sure a mistake... the car drove with 350km/h
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I9505 all Auto mode.

80 Kph

20-30 Kph

35-40 Kph

still

still
[Galaxy S 4 General] jejb:
Nice action clips as far as no blurring, but the pictures look very distorted and pixelated. Odd looking pictures.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Originals: http://www.mediafire.com/?j2cwrtvferjpj76,20n9dmqufwgit3l

Resized from the originals:

All on Auto.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
These are amazing !!! That's what htc were going for at the expense of losing detail of a high mp camera. I agree there does seem to be some odd effects in the pictures but the fact these can even be captured amazes me !! Thanks basil. Please post some more.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
There is actually a couple of minor issues with the camera on the rom I'm running, but you do realise the pics have been severely compressed when uploading through Tapatalk? :confused:

Edit: Here they are a bit bigger....am gonna have a play around again in the next couple of days with a camera patch that was released
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
My s4 was boxed up and ready to send back to 3 uk. I am going to Eastbourne today with my wife and kid so have unboxed it and charging it now...... did a factory reset so nothings on it at all and tonight will post some pics. Lets see if I can snap some motion shots ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jejb:
Thanks. Much better. Still flat like I'd expect in an action shot with these small lens cameras, but a great job of stopping the action. I'll have to see if I can as well with my S4 in Sports mode. I've done some of my dogs chasing fetch bouys that turned out well, but it was a cloudy day. I need to repeat in full sunshine.

EDIT: Here's one. Did a pretty good job of stopping the bouncing ball and dogs running. Still a little bit of blurring in the tails, but I blame that on a cloudy day.

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1931050&d=1367544036
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
I really need someone to test the shutter speeds of the S4 like a real test ! Like a side pic of car moving ! Seriously all I saw here is just pix of the rear of cars ! Which I believe a Chinese camera will capture it !

Show us some pix like those down here

Sent from my home !
[Galaxy S 4 General] hoola20055:
I'm going to get the s4 but I don't think it has the ability to stop time like the one. It's wicked in every other aspect though. Hurry up Verizon!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Eastbourne now..... will post more later. The camera lag is bad on my phone even after update
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
Hmm. I just don't get it. Most powerful phone on planet, from the biggest smartphone maker in the world, and we have lags ui and camera. Well I was hoping for a fix with the new firmware. Sad

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Please share comparison shots here, individual HTC One shots in the HTC One forum, individual Galaxy S4 shots in the Photo thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2213853
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Ah... sorry bone. My bad. Will post my others in correct thread. Thanks for the heads up bro.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jejb:
I got some more "sports" mode shots of the dogs today. I posted them in the linked thread below. Stopped the ball in mid-flight, no blur. Was easy to get the shots. The shots are spread across 2 posts.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=41086527#post41086527
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
Cropped, Auto, didn't even bother with Sport.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Great pic. Did you just catch that moment, or did you use burst and also catch the Frisbee in motion?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
I caught it (no burst).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Did you get any other shots that day, when an object is moving quickly? You've caught the point where I guess there's the least amount of movement (top of jump, Frisbee in hand). Good timing on the shot though, as there is no guarantee the shutter will fire instantly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChronoReverse:
I caught a few in daylight, there's little to no blur; that disc in my post was in motion. Shutter time was 1/1392s, ISO-50.

I noticed that sport mode sets ISO 100 and doubles the shutter speed.

Here's another pic of my bike wheel after I gave it a good spin:

Full auto. Shutter 1/824s, ISO-50.

Sent from my Snapdragon GS4
[Galaxy S 4 General] canadiankorean:
Isn't that a flash going off?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Italian HTC One (after update) vs. Galaxy S4 (I9505) comparison

This one is done on the update firmware, and the One doesn't over-expose anymore (as a matter of fact it seemingly underexposes some scenes). Better, but the S4 for me still gets exposure and white balance a little better. BTW, how often do you HTC One owners get this purple clouds effect? I happened to notice this on some shots.

I also read that there's an update rolling out for the S4. Any noticeable improvement by S4 owners?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I had a look through and don't get my clouds looking like that on normal mode or HDR. Very strange indeed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jejb:
That tinting issue is the biggest reason I switched from HTC to Samsung this time. My last two HTC's have both had a lot of that issue, and I've read about it in some of the One reviews as well. A great daytime/outdoors camera is critical to me on my Android device, and the S4 is making me very happy in that regard so far.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Hard to tell if it's a SW or sensor issue, but the pink noise is there on the updated GSMA samples as well (not much really). A certain shade of grey blue, especially around clouds seem to confuse the sensor or the color metering, and the sharpening makes it more visible.

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/04/htc-one-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4/camera/gsmarena_016.jpg

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/04/htc-one-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4/camera/gsmarena_021.jpg

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/04/htc-one-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4/camera/gsmarena_017.jpg

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/04/htc-one-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4/camera/gsmarena_022.jpg

In HTC's defense, color noise is pretty common on such small sensors, even the Lumia 920 does some, the Xperia Z too, S3, Note II as well. The S4 is most impressive in these areas cause it makes no such aberrations, even if there's noise, which is kept extremely low especially on the I9500 model, pink noise is non-existent. Credit goes to Sony I think.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Have found a few photos with clouds, they look ok to me, maybe not when I upload them :p

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/3678nku7surgich/v64xiCZP6g
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yes, it looks fine. :good:

Can you upload a couple of them in full size on ImageBam for example or just post a link to the full-size images maybe in the HTC forum?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Have just added link to my post. Not saying it's an amazing pic, just that the clouds don't look purple!