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[Galaxy S 4 General] composi:
Going from an S3 to a Note 2 to a...4.7" One? Naw...I have the luxury of playing with phones the day before they launch, in the BB Z10's case two weeks before, so I'll keep options open. I want to want an HTC phone badly, but these "gimmicky" features on TW I actually use...so it'll be difficult to pull me away. Right now my money has Samsung's name on it...but I'll see when the One drops next month.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Once again you're right on the money. The design is the absolute primary reason why people are going for the One, no doubt. Give the HTC One the Galaxy S IV design and material, but keep the sense and blinkfeed and zoe. Will people still be that interested? I don't think so, blinkfeed and zoe are not that worth it. The One design IS why people are buying it. The S IV has the plastic material and same looking S3 design, but people are still interested because touchwiz has a lot more to offer than sense. (and that's not to mention the other things like storage blah blah blah)

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Yep. Its funny cause me personally, what really made me choose the S IV over the One ( which is the only other phone i'm considering) are 3 things in order:

-Touchwiz ( yes, all the "gimmicky" features is what i'm really looking forward to)

-bigger battery

-5 inch S amoled full HD screen
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Now if I can just figure out how to get things out in less than five paragraphs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
HTC are actually marketing the one as having over 300 new features. I would love to have a list of each of the features and a brief summary of what it does. I think you're the perfect man for the job :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
I just realized something. The S4 with Octa is using bigLITTLE technology. 2 sets of quad core cpu, A7(1.2ghz) and A15(1.9ghz). On paper it look fantastic but how is it really going to work. I hope I'm wrong but if I understand correctly the A7 will be used most of the time and the A15 will be used for demanding cpu proccesses(games etc...) I almost never play games as my phone is set for business so all the apps I use are not really cpu demanding. This means the A15 will never kick in, this mean my phone will basically be a 1.2ghz(which is less than my actual S3). So for

ME

upgrading to the S4 Octa would mean having a slower phone.:eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
I can't help but feel HTC is still smoking the same quality crack it was last year. Hate it all u want but the sales will be ****...again
[Galaxy S 4 General] fernando sor:
Though I doubt the one will produce Samsung like numbers, all evidence points to htc not being able to meet the current demand let alone when the phone is fully released.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
If you're only driving around town at 50km/h, would there be any difference between a prius and a Ferrari (except for how they look, of course)?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Actually yes, the speed from 0 to 55 will be very different
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
We'll see.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
LoL slow? I don't get your logic :confused:

Just because you won't require something , makes it slow:confused:

Ok can you give me a instance where A7 quads would make your phone slow ??

iphones have a lower clocked cpu , for example iphone 4/4s had a dual A9 clocked at 800-1000 mhz(which should be equal to A7 quad @1.2ghz) , yet it runs games smooth and lags

are rare.

I think you would rarely experience any difference when using A7 or A15.

Instead you should be happy that A7 quads would be used for majority of time , which would result in better battery savings,imagine A15S running all the time (then you won't say your phone is slow:p) and imagine your battery life with that.

And yeah there is HMP (any number of cores can run in any order)

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You're 100% right, you'd be crazy to get the SGS4
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
I wish I had the time to reply to all Sammy fans outrageous comments but fortunately I don't have the time nor care to do so. Fortunately I have better things to do and say.

I suppose it comes down to personal preference which smartphone suits you better. A smartphone doesn't improve your life in anyway as much as perhaps consume your time and attention, which could be better spent elsewhere.
[Galaxy S 4 General] daleski75:
Oh come on riz157 this is a samsung forum what do you expect? praise and worship of our HTC's??? LOL
[Galaxy S 4 General] mackster248:
Just thought you guys should see Steve Kondic's (founder of CM) view of the S4.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...samsung-after-less-than-two-years-on-the-job/

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] 4ktvs:
If the HTC was water proof like the Z I may have thought about getting it even liking Samsung phones better (TW) most of the time, but they failed yet again to nail it. Sony used the slower S4, but at lest it's both water proof and has a SD card slot. The battery being non-remove kind should also have been better than it is.

Samsung just about nailed it this year, the only thing missing to me would be the screen being RGB and a bit better materials. ( Those both are not big deals so I am good)

I think I will buy one, I got the S2 1.5 years ago and I got the S3 for free from verizon so now I am ready for 1080P and quad core goodness. :)

P.S If you want to know, Verizon messed me over with the Droid Razr and could not fix the issue with it, so I got a S3 for free after they pushed out a bad update. I also had issues with the phone long before then, so they caved.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
I was hoping to show them the light.lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
Well lets see,

S4 has a bigger screen than s3 or the one

Smaller overall than the s3 or the one

Lighter than the s3 or the one

Micro sd support

Removable battery

Polycarbonate body wont scratch or dent and if it does get damaged much cheaper/easier to replace than aluminum

Better benchmark scores than the one

Better camera than s3 (and from reviews thus far the ones ultrapixel camera is not all its cracked up to be)

Just a few reasons to get and s4 over the one. Ive had samsung AND htc phones over the years and am by no means biased or a "fanboy" ( most retarded term ever btw) but the s4 is an easy choice for me this time around.

And at the end if the day if you cant decide,just buy them both...problem solved :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
Woooow. That's hilarious.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
There is no problem. Whether they are "useless" for stereo sound or not is irrelevant. The fact remains that they offer a far more superior headset free audio experience than any other phone, and to some people this is a big deal. Better speakerphone calls, louder headset free movies, better media sharing with those around you without having to cup your hands behind the phone for everyone to hear whats going on etc.

People overlook this factor and over marginalize it, I also used to overlook it until I got a cheap Blackberry Playbook and started watching music videos, playing music, watching movies and gaming on it, it's ruined other tablets for me. From what I see so far, I expect the One to do the exact same thing in regards to phones. Pretty sure the next SGS will have dual front facing stereo speakers, I'd even bet on it. It's a bigger deal than people realize right now, or even want to admit.

My list

S4:

-Bigger screen

-Removable storage (for the few it matters to)

-Removable battery (for the few it matters to)

-Can use screen with gloves on (for those who wont spend 25-30 bucks for cellphone gloves)

-Marginally faster benchmark scores in the S600 version (won't translate to anything meaningful in real world performance)

-Much faster benchmark scores in the Exynos version

-A bunch of S-software (which some people may find useful)

-IR LED

-FM Radio?

-4.2.2

One:

-Higher PPI and color accuracy

-Design

-IR LED

-FM Radio

-Dual front facing speakers (a big deal to me)

-Dual membrane mics

-Sense 5 (seems incredibly fluid with no lag and looks more "adult" than touchwiz)

-Low light camera performance (great for the overwhelming majority of my phone camera usage)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Thanks for the link.

So even the founder of Cyanogen mod is getting a Galaxy S IV. Game over.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
He did work for them!
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
And your point is?
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
reading though this thread

its clearly getting subjective at this point :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Great summary of both phones. I added some notes. But it's

your

list so just take them as some additional comments, not me trying to change your thinking. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] mackster248:
Definitely. I was surprised to see him slightly bash Touch Wiz though.

Sent from my Nexus 4

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Also, there is no "better" phone between the One and S4. Just be happy that we have a choice between two awesome devices. I say people should stop worrying about it and trying to convince other people which is better and just enjoy the fact that Android gives you the choice to choose between two devices that best fits your need.

Remember, it's iPhone vs Android. Not Android vs Android. :P

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
True, but he is right to bash touchwiz a little, as awesome as I think touchwiz is, it has its flaws.

I also find it very lame that people are trying to convince others to buy this or that phone. As if they get a share or some revenue from it lol. Clowns.
[Galaxy S 4 General] SRCP:
Two great phones. One has expandable memory and removable battery. Easy choice. Galaxy S4. My phone is still the inspire 4G, it is my first smartphone and I think it's a great phone and built like a brick. One of the most durable devices I've owned. I'm very carefully with my devices, but I have to admit I've dropped the Inspire a lot, it has landed numerous times on concrete. I don't think the Galaxy S4 will be that durable but I'll be more careful. If the HTC One had removable battery and expandable storage, I would have chosen it. I have the Nexus 10 and I really do need more space.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
uhm :)

did you try the HTC One? i think you are way off with your lag comment

journalists keep tweeting how mind blown they are with it's smoothness and speed

and honestly did you not see the SGS4 UI videos?

actually how about your JB One X? what lag?

i stick to my assumption you are being a little hard on HTC and a little soft on Samsung :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] mackster248:
Yeah he's right. The only one thing I absolutely hate about TW is that Samsung took away the beauty and slick look of stock Jelly Bean theme and replaces it with an even uglier Gingerbread wanna be theme that is TouchWiz.

It has some awesome features, they just really need to fix the theme. That's where Sense got it right IMO, it has a nice and fluent professional look to it.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
THIS is one of my biggest gripes with HTC. There is NO consistency from one flagship phone to the next. The soft keys are in an odd place and the tacky logo is stuck between the two. Would be nice if it at least DID something.

Samsung maintains a consistency that just makes more sense. LOVE having a physical home button.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skibadee:
I'm torn between the 2 now as since finding out the s4 in UK is not going to be an octacore, I like some of the ones features more.

One thing that concerns me about the s4 is when I first got my s3 I was disappointed with the redraws/lags which I was led to believe would be sorted via firmware updates.

I can say now (with a recent factory reset and not many apps installed) that I still get a laggy homescreen on the first few swipes and get regular redraws. Not to mention the slow opening of contacts and messages.

I know it's not a faulty device, I have used other peoples s3's and they feel the same.

I'm sure loads of people now might say theirs is fine with no lags or maybe to flash a custom rom/modify. I'm really keen to see if the s4 does lag at all, If it does and the one doesn't at all then that may just tip the scales for me a little more.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
That's true Samsung are very consistent, still making all their phones out of cheap plastic. Using amoled screens and giving plenty of gimmicky tweaks. Very true!:)

Very good convincing their fans to fork out 500+ for plastic!
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
if you can check a One X with the JB firmware you will have a good idea how project butter is running pretty well on HTC's side, of course the M7 has a lighter skin, better speed so it should be even better
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I appreciate the notes, I'll also add a couple things to that, don't take them as personal attacks on your opinions or notes, I'm just reflecting back some additional thoughts.

On the removable storage and removable battery notes you said "A removable battery and expandable storage are the two highest voted features in the poll above at 40%. That's more than a "few.".

That's just here at XDA though, we're a tiny little fraction of the people who will be buying these phones and on top of that we're on an enthusiast site, we should expect those numbers here. In the mainstream though things are quite different.

As for the gloves that people can buy that work on any cellphone screen, I'm sure they're not all ugly, and I'm sure if someone had their heart and sights set on one phone, but also really wanted to use it in the winter with gloves on, it would be a much more practical solution to spend 25-30 bucks on cellphone gloves to solve this problem, than 700 bucks on a phone they don't really want.

Regarding the benchmark, yes, I find 15% marginal especially when we're not really going to see this difference in day to day usage.

You also added "[Gorilla Glass 3, 1.9MHz clock speed, DDR3, thinner, lighter, bigger display in smaller footprint]"

1.9Ghz S600: (+200 Mhz is marginal IMO as per my original list) The real performance king here is Exynos

AMOLED: is a negative (for me) due to their propensity for screen burn in and over saturation.

DDR3: The HTC One is performing so well in everything (including games) that the 4GB/s extra in the S4's LPDDR3 isn't showing any major usefulness over the LPDDR2 yet in real world usage. By the time it does, it'll probably be time to upgrade again.

I'm not really sure how big a difference GG3 is over GG2. I'll check out some comparison vids and drop tests when these phones are tested.

I mentioned bigger display in my list of S4 pros

I agree with the slightly smaller footprint but I don't find it significant enough to add as a pro.

Sense 5 is buttery smooth on the HTC One. Whatever problems it may have had before, seem to have been corrected.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
don't troll mate, its not the purpose of this thread
[Galaxy S 4 General] Squirrel1620:
Perfect summary. No bias I love it.

I've also wanted to invest in gloves for smartphones, but then a friend told me he saw on YouTube that kipkay showed you how to use thermal paste on gloves that will make them work on smartphones. It's the cheap thermal stuff used for cpu's
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I (don't think) I'm being hard on HTC when it comes to s/w. You know better than most how Sense is constructed and some of the challenges that brings. And there were lag, stuttering, and hesitation comments on the DNA forum and my assumption (only an assumption at this point) is that while the presentation layer of Sense has changed in "5" that the HTC framework is primarily carry over. Other than aesthetics all the basic functions and the way they interact are the same which probably wouldn't be the case if Sense was entirely re-written. They removed scenes, themes, and a bunch of personalization stuff (which people loved and was a HTC "trademark") which, if done at the framework level, could make Sense lighter. But they also added BlinkFeed which can't be turned off and Zoe which, to create Zoe "scenes," can't be a tiny bit of s/w. Sense always used more RAM and resources than TW in every previous application which sort of confirms its "heaviness." We'll see what's changed when the SGS4 is "official" because things like the display constantly sensing for something hovering over it can’t be resource free. And my comment added to the above post was more meant to infer that Sense doesn’t lag less than TW. Not to imply that Sense is a laggy mess.

And you'll never see a post where I don't compliment Sense in terms of appearance, integration, and polish. Same thing with dinging TW because of Samsung's obsession with teal, cartoonish icons and colors, and sometimes disjointed appearance and integration of their proprietary apps and hubs. But if it weren't for Samsung's s/w features I'd own a One right now as I love its design, would be fine with a 2,300mAh battery, could live with a 4.7" display and 32/64GB of storage, and (lack of features aside) prefer Sense. ;)

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Were they last year? The One X had the most beautiful display offered in 2012 along with an equally striking design. Those two things were why I bought it over the SGS3 in spite of its 1,800mAh battery and storage limitation. But, unfortunately for HTC, both on and off XDA, I represented a vast minority. The success of the One vs. SGS4 in the mainstream is based on the exact same features and benefits offered last year. HTC pushed display, design, camera, and sound. Samsung pushed features. They’re both doing the same thing in 2013 with HTC offering more of those four things and Samsung offering more features. We'll see how each fare and I totally agree with you that our debates here about the details have no bearing on how the mainstream shopper buys a smartphone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
Cheap plastic..that made me LOL. Maybe google polycarbonate you might learn something dude. Please educate yourself just a wee bit before posting silly statements.

Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The argument about Samsung's use of plastic as some sort of "win" for other manufacturers would hold a lot more water if they didn't have 70% market share and didn't sell 50MM plastic phones last year. Manufacturers in any industry only get "points" for solving problems consumers actually have. If all mainstream smartphone shoppers think plastic's a "problem" that needed solving HTC should overtake Samsung in high-end smartphone sales this year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
added your list to OP for those who come looking for a direct comparison - i wont say "i agree", because they are facts, but its a good list

removed your personal comments as it should be completely impartial ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
The average user wouldn't care about the plastic of the galaxy phones, but would probably notice the difference if handling both the one and the SGS4.

The average user doesn't use or care for removable battery and removable storage.

The average user doesn't use most of Samsungs features, but is probably swayed by the fact that they are there.

Please note, this is based on extensive studies performed on people in my life who aren't 'phone geeks'.
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
Well we both know that wont happen lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
You mean we all know that won't happen ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
I'm fully aware it's polycarbonate let me rephrase that for the more sensitive members, S4 finish resembles very cheap looking plastic.

Hox is also made of polycarbonate but it doesn't look half plasticky. It was one of the best looking devices of last year. It just shows Samsung aren't worried about looks.

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That's only half the of story. IPhone sell millions and one of their selling points is the build quality, even myself who is android fan bought iPhone 5 for that reason. Android users have been used to plastic looking smartphones, there was no real alternative until now that is.

I think more and more android consumers will demand more then "plastic", maybe not this year but certainly by next year.

More and more manufacturers will move away from "plastic looking" devices if they want their product noticed, HTC have already achieved this and they can only get better.

HTC should sell much more then last year and receive more attention because of it's looks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bagbug:
not buying the S4 because of it looks (which is great) or because of the material used is rather pathetic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
We all know both HTC and Samsung provide good software, good smartphone experience for the user. So I don't have any real software concerns it's the look and design which I'm concerned about, the only one who have addressed this issue is HTC. Kudos to HTC for doing that and if they sell more the last year, which I think they will it will be a success.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
It's what's on the inside that counts. And, Samsung just does it better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Good. Maybe Apple will buy HTC when they run out of money. That's an easy argument to make but there are so many differences between an iPhone and Android phone outside of design and construction that what makes someone choose one over the other runs far deeper than "aluminum vs. plastic." A more relevant “Android world” comparison would be the Asus Prime and Infinity which were beautifully crafted aluminum tablets that looked like iPads. Yet Samsung's high-end plastic tablets outsold them 5:1 to the point Asus has turned their attention to low-end plastic tablets instead.

People can defend aluminum vs. plastic here until the end of time. The only thing that matters is if design, one of the four things HTC's pushing this year, makes a difference over last year’s deplorable sales. They'll need to sell 20MM One's to make the numbers they provided analysts this year. After you, there are only 19,999,999 to go. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
HTC One vs. Samsung Galaxy S4 stabilization test

HTC One vs. Samsung Galaxy S4 stabilization test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfqeuY_dWmE
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Perhaps you should read my post again. I never said design alone will help sell HTC one.

Asus is a bad example they make some pretty poor tablets but so do Samsung, android tablets in general are very poor in comparison to iPad. To sluggish and lag like hell, the only exception is the Xperia Z tablet. It looks good and operates very smoothly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The One seems to struggle with focus and exposure though. In fairness to the One, HTC's announced a camera s/w update for April and some of dings the camera received may be corrected with s/w. In fairness to the SGS4, its camera s/w isn't even final. Neither so far seems to have any "OMG!" strengths or weaknesses; at least to me. OIS is a clear advantage for the One but so is the SGS4's ability to capture 3X the detail. Based on what we know so far does anyone think either camera's so much better or worse that it will be a deciding factor for people?

[YOUTUBE]h3deRXACjvA#![/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] vapotrini:
Riz, give it up. It is fanboy central in here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Video recording inmho looks better on HTC one. More detail is visible and video looks sharper. S4 colours looked washed out but perhaps it's not finished article or because it's zoomed in.