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[Galaxy S 4 General] evronetwork:
You are not very intelligent are you? ..anyway I can't comment on this really, please stop commenting my posts(let's say ..ignore me :good:)

I'd rather be ignored rather than trying explain the situation for no reason, read the posts before also a more neutral behaviour would be nice rather than negative and offensive (just saying it one more time, clearly in case you didn't catch it the first time - I'll do the same if you'll be nice)

P.S. No, I really mean READ it ..if you don't want to make repeat myself, all the aboves you mention are already checked leaving me in an :confused: situation ..no I'm not stupid but I can't say the same for some people in here (yes reaching my limits sometime, sorry about that)

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[MENTION=5178107]Gboss01[/MENTION] about my suspitions of the i337

Just went to DL mode, my suspicions on having an SGH-i337 seems to be true. According to my previous posts and the build.prop I've seen this:

"ro.build.description=jflteuc-user 4.3 JSS15J I337UCUEMJ6 release-keys" and I was curious about the i337 which seems to be a snapdragon 600 version for the AT&T specifically!

So all in all my gf probably has an unlocked version of SGH-i337 which is similar to the i9505 rather than i9500 ..no matter what the sticker say. So below in a few mins I'll edit the post and put the dl mode plus the back sticker(removing the battery first of course)

----- So my thinking is that it's an SGH-i337 in the body of an i9500 :P (even some plastics have i9500 writing on it) ------ any thoughts?

Look at the plastic in the last picture, in the buttom it says GI9500 and a code for the plastic(probably) which says : >PC/ABC<#14-2 "

Another interested thing about the battery, look at this (manufacture date):

Isn't this weird? I mean the battery is 1 month old since I got the phone? should I be impressed or thing of it as fake? heheh I really don't know
[Galaxy S 4 General] Grarak:
Seriously dude?

I read all your post. You never mentioned that you compared something like baseband!

You are the idiot here

only an idiot would use benchmarks to find out what phone he has

I tried to be nice and helpful, and still get replies like this. Why? Tell me why?

I don't even think you tried to be useful. I told you severals solutions, but did you try one of them? No!
[Galaxy S 4 General] evronetwork:
Check again my posts, I'm having an i9500 supposedly and turns out to have snapdragon also already checked build.prop and find some weird things that I already told in previous posts. Benches was to find if it lives up to the specs, so if I get for example on antutu x 20.000 score then it's a clone 100%

1st post replying me, offensive, last post offensive - if that's how good you are, I'm eager to find the bad side of you

P.S. I have no root access if I did I surely won't ask, I could find my own ..but since this is my gf's new phone I can't do much about it(surely I can't root it, she'll kill me). Solutions you gave? none, only Gboss01 is honestly trying to help(watch him ..you might learn a lesson), you just want a fight - not replying to you anymore(unless you start talking like a civilized person).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Grarak:
I told you check the BASEBAND not build.prop (that too but that was earlier).

There is no "bad site of me", I am a mad person.

I told you several solutions dude, but you didn't even try them. If you had check the CMDLINE from the beginnig I won't discuss this non sense with you. Probably you don't even know what a cmdline is and don't know how to get.
[Galaxy S 4 General] evronetwork:
I might suck at linux command line but I surely can beat you in windows command line(I grew up using ms-dos) so get off my back please. If you are a mad person where's your wife? ..call her and show these messages :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gboss01:
[MENTION=4447997]evronetwork[/MENTION] please lets not get into a war of words with Grarak. He's a great developer that brought us many great mods and ROM's like PAC-ROM. Not many people know the workings of the i9500 as well as he does.

Grarak was only requesting you run the cmdline as it would have provided us with enough info to help you.

I picked up that you probably didn't know what he meant hence why I asked for info from the download mode screen.

I suspect you might have purchased a put together phone, ie. someone had a broken i9500 and used parts from the i9505, namely the mainboard, and put your phone together. This is not as uncommon as you might think, just search ebay and you will find many broken S4's being sold for spares.

Its very possible some pieced together the original body and screen from a water damaged i9500 and replaced the mainboard, then because everything on the devices body had i9500 they edited the build.prop to reflect the model as being an i9500. Thus completing the illusion that its an i9500. Its easier to sell the phone as a complete i9500 than some frankenstein hacked i9500/i9505 hybrid.

I'm sure if you download the latest AT&T firmware you will be able to flash it via Odin then hopefully you should now have an original, unedited build.prop.

I took some pics of behind the screen and my battery using my wifes Z10, she will be emailing them to me shortly, and I will post them for you to see. There are some differences like the FCCID is different on the sticker behind the screen as well as the power rating, yours says 1500ma whereas mine says 1300ma.

If you unsure if your battery is legit you can just try scan the qr barcode on the battery. I bought a fake battery, looked exactly as an original same thickness but slightly lighter, and if I scanned the barcode it gave me some random info. Scanning my original showed the batteries serial number.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Grarak:
I don't think so

I9500 and i9505 have complete different sensores/hardwares

Probably the guy replaced the backcover and battery
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gboss01:
I saw your comment on it being a variant but I doubt Samsung would mix components and use an existing model number.

If it was a variant I'm sure they would give it a unique model number much like the i9506.

But I see you edited your post now.

I support your view that someone changed the back cover and housing around the battery. Also possibly the screen too as the model sticker is on the back of the screen. We know that the screens are the same between the i9505 and i9500.

This makes sense and fits the picture.

But why go through all the trouble of editing the build.prop other than to complete the illusion that its an i9500?

Looking more likely that its a repaired S600 S4...
[Galaxy S 4 General] evronetwork:
I really don't care if a guy is a superhero, if he talks to me nice I'll be nice, if he's mad at me for no reason I'll act accordingly period.

Hmm maybe it's a fine rebuild I really can't see any other way. I mean I could take it appart but my GF would not be very happy - that way I'll know EXACTLY what piece of hardware this is but unfortunately I can't do that. Is there a posibility that the ODIN is fake too and it's not an I337? (I'm not into samsung phones, actually this is the first samsung android phone I'm dealing with)

Nice to see a reply to someone without beeing mad about him ;) (I'm not joking or trying to make fun of you)

an i337 probably the US version of S600 ..unlocked (is there a difference in hardware between i337 and i9505, I mean different sensors, cameras etc? do you know?) ..if it's exactly the same then an i9505 rom can be flashed (later on ..a year or two depends when she'll ask me to chance the 4.3 android that she has as there are no "updates" to their "GT-i9500" according to kies and according to her phone)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gboss01:
I dont know too much about the i9505, most people with S4's that I know have the Octa-core, so I cant say for sure if there's a difference between the i337 version of the i9505 and any other variant of the i9505.

What I do know is that you can use the GPE (Google Play Edition) ROM's and get that AOSP look, not to mention 4.5 Android L sooner than us with the i9500.

From what I read there's hardly any performance difference the i9500 and the i9505 so it shouldn't matter which it is as the user experience in gaming etc should be on par.

Whats more important is that you have a working S4, albeit with an identity crysis LOL.

Tell your GF to enjoy her phone and thanks for sharing the mystery with us bud.

EDIT: I just had a concern. What if Kies offers your GF's phone an update then she accepts and it sends through the firmware for the i9500 - that could seriously brick her phone. The i9500 and i9505 firmware is NOT interchangeable...
[Galaxy S 4 General] evronetwork:
Nah I don't think it would offer her any update, the way it's cooked up would always report as no update available. Of course roms from i9500 won't work on i9505 and vice versa that's for sure, different cpu, different gpu and maybe different sensors/digitizer etc. If GPE rom works in i337 then i9505 roms would work (gsmarena reports them as one only i337 has different LTE working frequences ..that's it - still don't know if I can flash a rom from i9505 or from GPE, I'll search it if the time comes)

Now I'll demand from the seller the partial refund he was talking, explained him already the situation(the phone was already cheap enough and won it in a bidding - not bad at all, also getting some money back would be even better)

P.S. Even if an update is "displayed" she's always asking me what to do so it's ok. Weird part, in Greece(yeap I'm Greek) they have only the i9505 version which is quite more expensive that the i9500. I've order her also when I order the phonem a wireless charger and a receiver, I need to put these two together and she's good to go(close the case and relax about it). Thank you for helping me solve this mystery as I'm leaving in a few days for vacation and wanted to solve this(after vacation it would be useless to open a dispute as it would be too late). At least I know this is not a cheap clone but a "half-baked" S4 :P (quality seems fine but I've seen in the past some close which was hard to tell without powering the phone)

I'd prefer if it was a proper i9500 or a proper i9505(although a bit more expensive from what I see) but at least it was dirty cheap(won it in an auction at good price also I'll get a partial refund :D)

P.S.2 I can post a few pics of my OnePlus One(it should be in Mon, Tue in my hands) next to the S4 if you want - irrelevant I know, but just in case you wonder how it sits next to OPO
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gboss01:
Its a pleasure to help bud, this mmystery really had my interest peeked LOL.

The OPO is an awesome phone, I havent had the priviledge of handling one but from the spec sheet and user reviews I have read its an amazing device.

Enjoy your vacation m8
[Galaxy S 4 General] evronetwork:
Thanks u man, I'll post some pics to check how big is compared to S4 :P ..specs are good, I had one invite from the system ..missed it but one good indian guy gave me his because he couldn't use it ..that's luck! ..some are waiting for months heh

Anyway the phone has some touch issues from what I hear in the forum but mostly software related ..I'll know pretty soon
[Galaxy S 4 General] Demetrios1:
Hi everyone! I know that this an old thread. But, I'd like to know if nowadays the Samsung Exynos 5410 has HMP enable. Or the CCI-400 bug is a real problem that it was not able to overcome by software? I read many threads about, like:

forum 1

forum 2

forum 3

forum 4

and I see a lot of discussion about, but not a definitive solution. And I notice that the newest thread from my search is from 2014. So, in 2018, someone found a way to enable HMP?

I also looked for some kernels, but they still seem to use the IKS.

kernel 1

kernel 2

kernel 3

kernel 4

Now, I'd like to explain the importance of this question. I have an academic project that it aims to improve the energy efficiency of mobile devices by creating a communication channel between characterized multi-threaded mobile applications and the mobile OS. My work is based on a power dissipation model that it uses an architecture-specific application characterization to find energy-optimal configurations for an application to run on a target multi-core architecture. In particular, in a big.LITTLE architecture. To do so, I need to be able to enable/unable, change frequency and voltages of all cores.

I have a Galaxy S4 in hands. I already did a testing app to change frequency and enable/unable the cores. But, It did work with only 4 cores. So my dilemma is: I continue putting effort on S4, or try other updated cell phone?

Thanks for advance!
[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

Translation ===>

Edit: pic removed humor is not allowed in xda

PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?

1 days 2 s4​
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrPhilo:
You think it's possible to shut down the A15 cores and just use the A7 cores? (For example, in STweak in the future)
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Let's keep the stupid out of this thread, shall we?

Definitely yes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

This is what I understood from andrei.. they dont switch from one a7 qyad group to another.. each core can be switched on individually..

If u play fifa, probably it might use all the a7 cores and maybe switch one or two a15s.. or sometimes just two a7s and two a15s depending on the threading of the game..

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[Galaxy S 4 General] TingTingin:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

I was just trying to show how confusing this whole situation is apparently u didn't find it funny :o u could've ignored but I'll remove

PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?

1 days 2 s4​
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrPhilo:
Awesome, battery life should be really good on the S4 :) even while gaming!
[Galaxy S 4 General] expertzero1:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

Oh hey bump
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...99272.356011241142009&type=1&relevant_count=1 :D

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...X6UGrhEUgpxncvSSQJXQWhzya8tUdiOnHLLJq3ie_1g==
[Galaxy S 4 General] rickoslyder:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

This should be stickied.

Brutally murdering someone I met on XDA with a sharpened iPhone and some semtex butt plugs just because they asked me to using Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] wctliu:
收件人： [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

that's right. but i think, the power is important more..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Warrimonk:
This is excellent information, thanks.

The real conflict for most people here will be the sacrifice of Octa VS LTE.

I remember a lot of the rumors stating that Exynos 5 Octa does indeed have LTE, although perhaps:

1) It only supports european/asian bands

2) Samsung never has enough time to make an octa version with North American LTE bands, and decided to roll out a snapdragon model first

I am seriously hoping it will be another Nexus 4 moment for Canada (Secret AWS LTE support), but I feel that is just me being overly optimistic.

I personally think that Octa + 544MP will have a serious advantage in terms of power and battery life over the S600 + Adreno 320, enough to make it worth dropping LTE over.... but only time will tell.

I also have full faith that some of the kernel wizards here at XDA will unlock the full 8-core potential of this beast (although I don't know why you would want it... bye bye battery life), so watching development should be fun.
[Galaxy S 4 General] zelendel:
It will face the same issues as Samsung has no real plans to release the needed info for the chip
[Galaxy S 4 General] legion1911:
My two cents:

The Snapdragon is a good SOC, the Exynos is better, more advanced, with a better GPU.

I think the Exynos is not 100% ready yet (maybe just the drivers for it) and/or the Samsung factories that have to produce it are busy producing the previous Exynos for the SIII, Note II, Note 10.1, Note 8.

Samsung had to rush a S4 to the market, to not lose against the competition from Sony/HTC. So Samsung is coming out with the Snapdragon S4.

The Exynos version is the real S4. You can see this from the code. The Exynos S4 is I9500, the Snapdragon S4 is I9505.

But.... The Snapdragon S4 is a very nice S4 variant and is the best device out there until the Exynos S4 comes out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] luuranko3:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

The international s4 with octa is released next month I pre ordered it and it cost 698e
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shan89:
This is actually questionable , we all know it is more powerful then s600 but you should also know Octa has a very high chance of throttling and overheating , which is the main reason why it first got lowered in CPU from on a15 from 1.8ghz to 1.6ghz and after that to 1.2ghz , while if i'm not wrong a7 got Oced to 1.6 ghz.

So even it is powerful more then s600 the big question is will you be able to use that power ? It's easy to OC we all know that but will it be stable , will it throttle cuz of high terminals?

Btw it's kinda suspicious samsung didn't show any demonstration of gaming in their new s4 and benches were forbidden for reviewers who were there.

Also what we know/assume so far is Octa with GPU at 533mhz will/should be scoring 49fps , if the terminals are bad and GPU can't use 533mhz and gets downclocked to 400 or so it will give probably same or less then s600.

The s600 version scored 41fps in egypt HD off screen

Also seems adreno 320 @ 500mhz equals the same compute power as 544MP3 @ 533mhz - we can also be 90% sure adreno320 can be Oced easily to 600mhz or even 650mhz but the question remains is octa gonna be on 533 mhz by default , or it's gonna be lowered cuz of terminals.

Anyway just my 2cents about this :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] _Variable:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

Finally. A decent thread regarding this whole 8 core drama.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Any source for your information? Every pre-order I've seen from reputable companies thus far have had the s600.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bigkay:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

Just curious is there a possibility thst the current benchmarkers are not optimise to test the full strength of the s4 octa core considering the mechanism of function is quite different from the single quad cores. Thus giving a not too high benchmark ..
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

Of course they aren't optimised for the octa. Regarding the of the a15 to 1.2

I think only anandtech reported this, so nothing is clear yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
With only 1.5 months to go, and with pre-orders open, that's not a good thing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Don't forget the elefant in the room here, Apple. Apple is supposed to release their new iPad in April; Samsung LSI might have had prior commitments to them, and since the new chip is on 28nm, it might be capacity limited this early on in the process. Samsung may not have had the capability to supply both for themselves and for Apple for two simultaneous big launches.

I think you're spot on here. They should have released it in 2 months, not now. It also corresponds with the press release that the Octa will only enter mass-production in Q2; something the LSI division would not have changed regardless of the mobile division.

The Snapdragon might throttle just as much. Remember that in 3D situations where the GPU is loaded, the CPU is mostly not under any heavy load. This means the A15 power problem doesn't apply here.

Compute power is irrelevant, the Mali T604 has more compute power than the 544MP3 yet is falls behind.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood

Even if they bump the 320 from 400 to 500MHz, that's only a 25% increase. Take the iPhone 5 scores, it's running supposedly at 325MHz there, at 533MHz that would be a 65% increase. In any reasonably calculated situation, the 544MP3 will end up faster than the 320.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Are you sure about this? Theoretically A7 power should be sufficient for most games with GPU handling most of the tasks, but will the system actually switch to A7 cores when the GPU is heavily loaded?

Also, roughly how much juice GPU eats compared the A7, A15 architecture?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
At 500Mhz the GFLOPS should be the same as the SGX544MP3 at 533Mhz. The fill rate on the other hand is almost triple on the 544MP3(3Gtexels/s), which could end up making quite a difference(at higher resolutions than 1080p of course or in situations where supersampling AA is used).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jubei1:
Comparing flops between two different architectures wont work. Mali T-604 has 72 GFLOPS but its slower than some Adreno 320 variants wich are closer to 50 GFLOPS
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
Andrei do u think Sammy used LPDDR3 RAM in the Snapdragon version ?

IMO they aren't cuz if they it should score a lot more in quadrant or Antutu than HTC One which using LPDDR2 :rolleyes:

maybe the LPDDR3 only for Octa :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
The t604 should perform better, but I'm guessing the drivers are just lacking. With drivers being equal, the Adreno 320 and SGS544MP3 should be on par, with the latter having an advantage in some benchmarks/games.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jubei1:
It doesnt change the fact that its flawed to use GFLOPS as a measurement stick when comparing two different architectures

And when do drivers ever end up being "equal". Apparently ARM and Qualcomm are the only ones who can release new drivers?
[Galaxy S 4 General] D™:
Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores

very nice explanations.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
544MP3 has a massive fillrate advantage, GFLOPS don't mean much.

@Jubei1, Jubei from B3D? Nebu here :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
This is what I get confused about always. Is it 267Mhz in iPhone 5 or 325Mhz?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Yup, but I doubt that fillrate is going to be an issue at 1080p. Think it more or less comes down to drivers.

The thing is though, that whatever GPU we get, it's still going to be devoured by the Rogue in the upcoming iPhone(huge increase in performance combined with lower power-consumption). Samsung should have waited.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jubei1:
The same ;)

And i suspected it was you lol

---------- Post added at 02:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:47 PM ----------

It depends on the task. When it comes to gaming, fillrate is a far more important metric than GFLOPs from different architectures. Even now a lot of games that are not customized for Adreno 320 run without the effects you see on the iOS version. It was actually a fairly smart strategic decision by Samsung to use an IMG GPU considering that they really want iOS users to switch since it will be easy to port games and the S4 will often be one of the first Android versions available

What was retarded however is limiting the Exynos version in such small quantities since its now basically pointless. But that has already been speculated was because of a potential fabbing priority for a certain fruit company. I also think they should have gone for Rogue but im not sure if April was a realistic launch time for a Rogue chip. And i dont believe there is any info on how big that one is in die area compared to Series 5, IMGs chips are not exactly the smallest ..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Would be great to have another cross-platform benchmark other than GLBenchmark(preferably something that would represent modern games), to see how the GPUs actually compare. 3DMark should hopefully be available soon!

But how is the low-level graphics drivers on Android compared to those on iOS; does the same GPU on Android == same GPU on iOS, performance wise(if everything else is equal)?