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[Galaxy S 4 General] rapid1:
Hmm close 2 identical

Actually from what I see in your comparison included below the GS4 from what I see the only thing better on the HTC Is the aluminum body. THAT kinda bites for me really as I prefer Sense Rom's personally. Of course I personally will grabs the S4 most likely and put a sense rom on it or Cyanagen anyways! :laugh:

QUOTE=Swisser;39181910]Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.

GS4

Better GPU

Lighter

Battery life

Faster CPU clock

Bigger Screen

HTC

Aluminum body

More PPI

Looks better imho
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
nice and how is this an objective argument again? are you basing your purchase decisions on how many people are buying the SGS4?

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its not zoom its the actual field of view, check gsmareana analysis, the SGS4 has a limited field of view even less than the SGS3

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one more thing i dont understand is the general conclusion that the SGS3 was better than the One X in this thread

besides the slight issues at launch, the One X has smoother UI, better Camera, better design / build and better screen than the S3, general gaming used to be better on the S3 but now tegra is a lot better supported and maintains the THD advantage

one area the S3 definitely beats is the battery life, no questions asked

and for those who care about battery replacing and SD card

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from the octa S4 review

http://translate.google.com/transla...ellphones/2013-03-27-obzor-samsung-galaxy-s4/

low brightness screen (282 cd/m ), inaccurate colors and performance not better than the S600 really (GPU we can't tell, Epic Citadel is vsynced)

4.20 hours screen on time (max brightness but its barely enough anyway)
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php

"You see the Samsung Galaxy S4 won more of the key battles today - screen (bigger, slightly better quality), software (newer, more options, better performance) and still camera. It may have lost elsewhere, but it was never a distant second.

The HTC One on the other hand emerged on top in the video recording, music and social networking categories, but those were all narrow victories. And its still camera was really nowhere near the level of the Samsung Galaxy S4 13MP shooter. Ultrapixels or not, 4MP can barely rival 2010 flagships on most occasions."
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Gsmarena has always been the site with the best reviews.

Anyway the HTC one is a truly remarkable device, the only fault is the missing 64 Gb version. Screen is more about lower brightness and darker blacks, most users would be happy with both.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
according to this review

the s4 has 285cd/m2 screen, the One has a screen around the 500cd/m2

anyway just wanted to point this out, the 5inch screen can not be considered "better" this is the worst kind of journalism
[Galaxy S 4 General] DocRambone:
Or: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p3.php

647 vs 404 cd/m2, both be fine
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
yes according to their own measures the One has a better screen in many areas and yet they go ahead and declared the 5incher better

anyway
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shaky156:
Haha expect hamdir to be here ;)

Both very interesting devices

Sgs4 with qualcomm soc has gesture control (qualcomms chip supports it) not too sure how theyll manage it on the exynos chip
[Galaxy S 4 General] djq:
i think both phones are incredible. i have an htc one but will also begetting an S4 just to test out
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Excellent points.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toleraen:
GGXtreme pretty well covered the media side, slapdaddy got the flash happy side, the last side for me is that it's actually removable. My current SD card has gone through eight or so physical phones (including warrantied devices), and I didn't have to do any major transfers when I switched. All the stuff I wanted from the old phone was all there instantly when the new phone powered on. I'm far, far too impatient to have to wait an hour for everything to transfer from the computer/internet/etc each time I'm presented with a fully factory restored phone :laugh:

Also, for the phones I did have to warranty, I didn't have to worry about my sensitive content being restored from internal storage after sending it back. It's always a joy getting a refurbed/used phone and just running a quick recuva scan on it!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Piaband:
I can't comment on Samsung as I've only owned a nexus s (which doesn't count), but I currently own the HTC rezound and the software situation is nothing short of infuriating.

First, they said ICS would be released within a few months of release. It took over a year. And they use something called RIL to make it much more difficult for developers to make ROMs.

Second, they locked down the boot loader so flashing roms is waaaay more difficult and dangerous. Even with s-off.

Third, they are not afraid to cut off a device and all its users if they have something new to release.

I do like my rezound. It has worked well, but I am not going to spend another 2 years on a device that just doesn't have the support from manufacturer to make development easy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
32GB translates to about 25GB available for the user. With bigger FHD displays people are more and more likely to download high-def content to play on them. A 1080P full-length feature movie rip is about 10GB. And the cloud's a great solution, provided you either have an unlimited LTE data plan or use your device only around high-speed high-quality Wi-Fi connections. When your data plan is metered or if you use your device away from home, especially internationally, Wi-Fi’s not always around and if it is, it's spotty and probably not free. It's also a lot faster to transfer big files to a removable SD card that's connected to your PC via a USB 3.0 reader than it is via MTP. I guess it all comes down to where and how people use their phones and what type of data plan their on.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Steve5400:
The camera on the One intrigues me, unfortunately in order to take full advantage of it, I won't be able to flash anything other than stock ROMs.

I think it's funny that anyone expected a new design for the gsiv, historically the galaxy's design has changed very little, if you look outside the American versions.

Having to decide between these phones is certainly a first world problem, it looks like it will be difficult to go wrong. Being on Tmo I'm just looking forward to some LTE.
[Galaxy S 4 General] palestine2020:
of course its battery and resolution
[Galaxy S 4 General] cdmoore74:
Removable battery and SD card support. The HTC One is an excellent addition to the Android family (let's stop the Samsung vs HTC crap) but I need removable batteries and I want to bring over my 64gig card from my Note 2 "if" I decide to get this over the Note 3.

But I do love the dual front speakers on the One. It's really the only feature that Samsung should have added but it would have made the phone taller. Could the S4 have looked better? Yes, but the majority of us will use cases which defeats the purpose of using metal in the first place.

Good job to Samsung and HTC!! Let's hope that Motorola can get back in the game as well. 2013 will be another excellent year for Android.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It appears they did, they're just right next to each other and on the wrong side of the device. ;) Comparing, in order, the SGS4, N2, and SGS3, speaker size seems to have doubled with each of their releases. The SGS4's speaker is huge and the grate's divided so I'd guess the speakers are too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slapdaddy:
The only problem with the dual speakers on the One is that they're useless for actual stereo sound. You're better off plugging in a headset.

Just wait til they start putting 7.1 surround sound systems on these things. ;) lol

Sent from my HTC PH39100.
[Galaxy S 4 General] grayhawk11:
well its the best comparison thread i have come across..people actually are discussing rather than bashing the other phone

i would like to know what you guyz think about RADIOs. I have used 2 HTC devices Desire S and Desire HD. Both had some problems regarding signal strength either wifi or network or gps. i have searched it a alot n found out it has to do with metal body and construction quality of these devices which results in poor performance (m not implying htc one has poor performance but considering htc history and drawbacks of all metal construction). So coming back to the point does having a fancy all metal body takes preference over performance of basic functions of the phone(no matter how trivial the affect on performance may be)

PS: Plz dont say it works for you, my device must have been defective

i know it works well if you are in an area where coverage is excellent

i still use desire HD but with hardware hacks
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
Last year purchase htc one x screen flickering problem and WiFi problem

Htc give refund then I purchased s3
[Galaxy S 4 General] axhk97m:
Then you shouldn't care about the faster clocked CPU too..And I don't think carrying a 140g device would be any more different from carrying a 130g device. It would also give a better feel in your hand.
[Galaxy S 4 General] slapdaddy:
My Vivid has better reception than my Inspire did, but whether that is due to the Vivid having a plastic body and the Inspire having an aluminum body or some hardware change, I don't know.

A manufacturer can design antennas around a metal case to provide adequate signal strength for nominal operation of the phone. It's just a matter of engineering, though they'd probably charge more for the phone in that case.

With that being said, there's no way a manufacturer can know the details and layout of every city that these phones will be operating in. The best they can do is find a reasonably good level of performance that should work everywhere. Then they can design software for different regions, ie. the many many different Desire HD/Inspire 4G radios out there.

Personally I'll take function over form any day, but I've never had a problem with an aluminum case. So maybe I can have my cake and eat it too. :)

Sent from my HTC Vivid.
[Galaxy S 4 General] crawlgsx:
CPU, GPU, likely battery life. CPU is only minor in the US market as they will both sport the S600 but the S4 with a higher clock. Expandable memory/removable battery for those that REALLY use one of those (not the mass that care as a spec and never actually do either)

That said, HTC One for me.

My priorities are:

Screen

Design

Camera

The HTC One may not be AS fast, but it will be faster than the Note 2 and that is all that matters, it is still an upgrade in every way but screen size. Compared to the N4 I am currently stuck on it is an upgrade in every way.

Your own priorities will determine the better phone for you :).
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Better camera overall (good but below One no-light pictures (you can always turn on flash you know), outstanding super-high detail outdoors): http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39204732&postcount=22

Better SW set

Better overall HW specs

Android 4.2.2 out of box, faster updates

Replaceable, larger battery

MicroSD slot

AirView, MultiView, Floating Touch

Smart Stay, Smart Scroll, Smart Pause

Health integration (barometer, thermometer, gyroscope inside, compatible BT devices)

More efficient screen and CPU* (remains to be seen)

Thinner, lighter body

Gorilla Glass 3 front cover

Wireless charging ability

HomeSynch, Group Share

Comes up short in

Overall built quality, materials

Design (HW, UI)

No-light camera performance

Larger NANDFLASH starter

Better (stereo) speakers

Higher SPPI count with more natural colors

In looks the One takes it, but in usefulness, bang for the buck, screen & battery : size ratio and future-proofing (S3 gets every SIV SW function) it's no contest for the IV. There won't be supplies issues either.
[Galaxy S 4 General] boodies:
Where is the everything option. Because Samsung just made the One obsolete.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ShyamSasi:
I own HTC One X never had any issues with it, but the only thing I faced is lack of gaming support for normal user, sure you can root and with the help of custom kernel you can improve it. Also there were thermal issues and throttling issues. Considering A15 chipset I expect throttling issues with Octa SoC as well, iPad had similar heating and thermal issues. But so far S600 chipset hasn't reported any I sure hope that one also won't have any. Then my personal preference what I look in a phone is the Display, Speakers (external since I have a hard time showing couple of Youtube videos for my buddies due to really low sound with HOX) and Build quality. Lot of features that Samsung introduced in my personal opinion I won't use it maybe to show of that's about it. Since it's S600 I expect S-OFF pretty soon. So I guess I would go for HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NPWS:
on S4 :

CPU + GPU

and removeable battery

more memory(micro sd slot up to 64gb )

on Htc One :

screen display(469ppi,it's awesome)

and premium unibody maybe :rolleyes:

also dual frontal stereo speaker :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
HTC One with a better design, probably better speakers.

screen is a matter of preference, so is sense vs touchwiz. cameras needs to be compared.

S IV more powerful, bigger screen, bigger battery, more storage, more features, ships with the very latest version of android (4.2.2).
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Voice, yes. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS, NFC, not so much. I'm concerned about HTC's approach to the One's antennas. Metal and wireless signals don't mix. The Sensation's antenna-gate issue is one example. Apple's Wi-Fi signal degradation loss when they moved away from placing the antenna behind the plastic "Apple" logo to behind the speaker grate is another. And let's not forget the Asus Prime which is the subject of a class-action lawsuit over its wireless performance. There's a reason 3/4G and GPS equipped iPad’s have a plastic strip on their backs.

BT uses 2.4GHz which is the same frequency as Wi-Fi. If the Wi-Fi signal's jacked to compensate for the aluminum casing it'll create interference. And GPS is inherently weak and easily interfered with. If HTC's funky antenna placement delivers competitive performance compared to glass and plastic devices they'll be the first to have pulled it off. Let's see in a couple of months when there are some One's in people's hand how well all the wireless signals work together.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MohJee:
I don't have either phone but my guess would be based on what I've read and seen:

S4 advantages over one:

- micro sd card support

- bigger battery and thus (presumably) better battery life

- removable battery (which admittedly the average user doesn't take advantage of but it's a pro nonetheless)

- gimmicky features if you're into that thing.

- better developer support for Roms and customizations and the likes.

- newer android out of the box.

HTC one advantages over S4:

- much better / premium design

- better audio experience

I didn't involve things like lcd vs. Amoled and sense vs. Touchwiz because these are mainly subjective depending on the user. Also I'm not quite sure about the camera of each phone... Time will tell. Things like signal strength etc.. also remain to be seen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It was in response to "design" being a driver in people's purchasing decisions. HTC's betting that design, the most significant change over the One X, along with the same three other things they pushed last year (display, camera, and sound) are going to double sales of the One compared to the One X. I'd say the odds of Samsung selling more SGS4's than SGS3's is a lot more likely to happen than HTC hitting their goal of 20MM One's. And if they don't, well perhaps Peter Chou's replacement can get them back on track.

And the One X was so successful it's pushed HTC to the brink of insolvency. The launch issues weren't "slight;" they affected s/w and h/w and took months for HTC to work out. Remember, I was there. And HTC having to publically admit their design choices created a Wi-Fi issue didn't help their cause. I was asked multiple times while in the UK "oh, does your phone have "that" problem?" Doesn't create a great deal of pride in ownership. If HTC was a boutique manufacturer selling to a small niche of loyalists they'd be fine. But their competing in a high-volume, low margin, ultra-competitive market segment against others with 10X their resources. So even subjectively saying the One X was the better phone does it matter if no one bought it?

And audio quality, expandable storage, removable battery, 2GB or RAM (S3), and s/w features. Samsung deserves credit for keeping the SGS3's s/w features current by continuing to push down features included on newer devices, like multiview. A lot of the features the SGS3 launched with that didn't work very well have also been significantly revised with updates. In three versions of Sense and three versions of Android the only new feature my One X got was HTC's Groupon competitor that generated revenue for them.

So you honestly think Samsung's going to release the Octa version with a display that's 30% dimmer than the S-600 version? And from the cursed thread you joined in the One forum we know that different reviewers get different results testing displays differently. Since none of the credible reviewers have been allowed to touch an Octa SGS4 it's probably wise to wait until an official version provided by Samsung's been reviewed before drawing any conclusions. The performance between the Exynos and S3 SGS3 were comparable. Does anyone here expect Samsung to deploy an Octa-based SGS4 that’s significantly inferior to the version using a competitor’s SoC/GPU? It would put their chip division out of business. Venturing a guess I'd say the problem this year will be Octa outperforming S-600 and Samsung figuring out how to position against that.

These conversations are just like last year’s before the One X and SGS3 got in to people’s hands in significant volumes. Once they did, it became pretty clear which group was happier with their purchase. People had high expectations based on PR, reviews, and XDA chatter but the SGS3 came much closer to meeting those expectations even though both phones had weaknesses. We’ll see how it plays out this year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
there is no denying i can't help but be biased a little ;)

but the screen might not be inferior for some true but for me it is i can't stand amoled inaccuracy

as for the sensors i didnt say inferior

but in general, when i look at it i feel its quantity that you guys are seeking over quality or refinement

there is only one area im willing to hand it over to you and that is the camera

i was never really with HTC's decision with ultrapixel

they could have said "we are out of the megapixel wars and sticking and improving 8MP" for that i would have applauded them but not compromising all the way back to 4MP, still for this compromise there are gains, low light which we explored deeply in the m7 forum but you insist on listening only to reviewers that didnt even do any real low light test, OIS and field of view as well as the fast shutter features like ZOE

the Desire HD had a very slow shutter and for steady hands i gave amazing results, HTC can just do like Nokia and let go of their fast shutter, more exposure time is enough to multiply their quality but so far they are doing the right thing by sticking to fast shutter even in low light

so despite my hate of the 4MPs there are few things been done right, OIS, field of view and shutter time, shutter time allows you to take a photo once, capture the moment when it happens

gsmarena clearly admitted the shutter time is slow during low light on the S4

so its not a clear camera KO to me, HTC made a compromise and you do get what they compromised for, lets call it "capturing the moment on the go at any moment"
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The only thing that matters is sales. Whether 5% of the market (us enthusiasts) think any device is better than another is irrelevant. Same thing for five star reviewer's ratings which didn't seem to help the One X last year. The One X had the best display of 2012 and the SGS3's side-by-side paled in comparison. Yet people bought the SGS3 at least 5:1 over the One X which also had a more premium design. Why they did is unimportant. More important is what happens between the One and SGS4 this year. The One has more "design" while the SGS4 has more "features." Pretty much the same choice people had to make last year. Let's see what happens.

Here's the big picture. HTC and the One and Samsung and the SGS4 are going to be judged differently and are trying to accomplish different things.

Samsung’s already successful and just needs the SGS4 to continue the momentum they’ve created. They have a gazillion dollars of marketing money, an existing base of 100MM Galaxy owners, a proven record of success with the carriers, and a device that isn’t earth shattering design wise but is improved over its predecessor in nearly every way. Having all those things in their favor creates a considerable tailwind.

HTC’s coming off a string of devices (Sensation, One X) that were competitive and commercial failures. They’ve gone from being the highest in Android sales and market share in 2010 to reporting their lowest sales ever in February of this year; all based on misreading what the market wanted. This year’s read of the market leads them to believe (even more) premium design, UltraPixels, BoomSound, Zoe, and BlinkFeed are going to reverse their fortunes. Their past, limited marketing dollars, and a smaller distribution network (they recently pulled out of Brazil and Korea) brings with it a terrible headwind. And the fact they botched the One’s launch by not having components lined up for production to meet the dates they announced isn’t a positive sign.

HTC’s got a lot more riding on the One with a lot more risk in it being successful than Samsung does with the SGS4. And critical praise and a small but loyal following didn’t make the One X successful so the One’s got a lot to overcome to be HTC’s sales salvation. The One being a critical success but not a commercial one will cause HTC as it exists to cease with new management coming in to radically reengineer who they are and what their mission is. Even Peter Chou said that’s necessary by offering his resignation if the One doesn’t meet financial objectives.

So the SGS4 vs. One battle runs deeper than field of view of the camera and aluminum vs. plastic. And we here won't affect the result one bit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's your unsubstantiated opinion they don't. 2/3's of this thread are people's unsubstantiated opinion. And neither of our unsubstantiated opinions really means squat and I'm sorry if my opinion came across as being any more or less relevant than anyone else's. The only thing I can say unquestionably (based on personal experience) is that the N2 performed better than the DNA on finer tests of audio quality on equipment that allows you to tell the difference. And my opinion of the SGS4 vs. One behaving similarly was based purely on looking at GSMArena’s stats and comments. Whether they play out like the N2 vs. DNA did is something we can both agree on. The result is unsubstantiated.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Let's hope for HTC's sake you're in the minority. ;) I'm waiting for the N3 but share your view. I think a lot of people here admire what HTC's done with the One and have said so.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Baldilocks:
GSMArena seems to have a pretty fair comparison of the two.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php