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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Let's call it me. ;)

I used a crop of "my" photo to show the One X's challenges with detail. And that pic was taken after the camera s/w update.

You know what's great about sharing pics and objective data? It's non-emotional and speaks for itself. I stand by my assessment of the One X (post updates) being inferior to the N2 in sharpness, noise, artifacting, and detail at higher resolutions. If your experience is different using the same phone with the same three updates I respect your opinion and would defend your right to disagree. With multiple opinions people can make more informed decisions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
You'll need to provide proof of the update, and proof the pictures were taken on the same One X that was updated with the latest firmware in a way that leaves no possibility that it can be questioned. If you're willing to do that, then it's acceptable.

BTW in addition to "your" photo, you also made a post showing the GSMArena One X vs S3 photo comparison above as well, which is misleading.

EDIT: You also still haven't gotten back to me in the Q&A Troubleshooting forum in the "Galaxy S4 Laggy?" thread. I asked you some specific questions regarding one of your posts there, and you still haven't responded. If you could go do that as well, it would be greatly appreciated.
[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
wow htc one pictures

Wow look at these htc one pictures...

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Brillormen:
John291:These were absolutely fabulous. Taken by a professional photographer?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Reduced sizes, beautiful location and non-existent Exif does make for an amazing photo collection.

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Since HDTV is about 2MP resolution, why is HTC One using a 4MP sensor? It's a

waste

of pixels if your HDTV can only show 2MP. 2MP photo is more than enough for FB or other websites. So, HTC is also guilty of the same. Why is it a 4MP sensor, and not a 2MP sensor? Afterall your HDTV can only show half the total pixels.

A H5D-50 photo must look same as a 3MP photo in a HDTV. Afterall resolution doesn't matter. I am just wondering why did they put that extra 48MP in that sensor?
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
For the 4k resolution TV's that will be coming up over the next year or two?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
1] Number of 4K TV owners will probably be 1% of mobile phone owners. I have seen prices from $20,000 to even $30,000. How many people are going to spend so much on a TV?

2] And if someone is actually willing to push their photos taken from HTC One to 4K TV, then he will be severely disappointed. 4K is 8MP resolution, not 4MP. You will need a 8MP sensor to fill each pixel in the 4K TV.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Good point.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
I don't get the point here. Noise and the lack of sharpness of One's photos are very notable on my 18.5 inch 1366x768 resolution screen.

Because of the limit resolution does not mean a 3-4 MP photo looks the same as a 13 MP photo on a full HD screen right?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Unless you have used a HTC One how can anyone really be certain. Many shots I have taken on my HTC One are better than my iPhone 5. The only weakness is distance photos whereby the part of the photograph in the distance is fine, but zoom in and it lacks detail

However, on any type of shot the results are astounding. Better actually than any review I have seen so far. One thing I believe based on the S4 biased reviews (real life user reviews are more realistc) is the S4 will capture more information, so landscape or distance type photos will be better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I guess it comes down to how much people trust objective testing. GSMArena and the SQ site both did detailed comparisons against other devices comparing results in a controlled setting. They also reached similar conclusions. Looking at their results I'm fine with those conclusions being objective. Meaning, if I were to do the things they did with either phone I believe I'd get a similar result. When anyone (including me) talks about their personal results and passionately state how good or bad their phone's camera is it's no more factual a discussion than discussing battery life or lag which are individual and based on a ton of variables that making a debate baseless. I shared my One X experience but qualified it (issues with high-res output) and provided a pic showing what I was talking about. Some, like me, may find it an issue. Others could think I’m smoking crack. I own no HTC or Samsung stock so I'm fine with either.

People should form their own conclusions and then buy what they think best meets their needs. At least we can all agree on that. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Problem with that is they are not using final software for the HTC pics. HTC released an update after that review was taken that improved the picture quality. So those objective reviews are not a good indicator until further tests come in with the updated firmware that corrects the camera issues.

EDIT: You also never provided the proof I asked you to for the "supposed" One X pictures you claim were yours, nor posted the proof showing that it was taken by you on your phone with updated camera firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I was having another think about my HTC One camera quality and what I posted above. I think reflecting further on it HTC made a decision on the camera quality weaknesses and strengths based upon the fact that most people take photos in a room, close up, or hall size environment. Landscape are fine but not for zooming. By doing this, the photo quality was kept good for most situations. The other aspect is small file sizes that don't compromise the fixed memory of the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yeah I have to call BS on that article. Hand was shaking taking the first pic and the One used spot focus on the middle while 2nd shot is stable with multi-focus, a nice subtle way to create "improvement" when it's obvious that user ability what differs.

Of course the sides are sharper in multi-area focus, duh? But if there's actual improvement in quality remains to be seen.

As far as the Chinese photographs go, they look heavily photoshopped, but they look nice at that size, I'll give them that. My real interest however is in everyday photography and abilities.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Really.. which site was this again?

First off, I don't have a One X, so that's not possible. Secondly it's not me that needs to prove you wrong, it's you that needs to prove yourself right. You've been moving around the forums making quite a few claims without bothering to back them up. Pretty soon you're going to need to start putting disclaimers in your sig if this keeps up.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Just ordered my htc one. Was in two minds but what sold me was the ability to crop videos if you try to send them via email or text to a smaller size. With the sammy phones all you get is text which says "file too large". Currently have s2 so fancied change.

Custom Stock Rom 4.1 Eternity

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[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
How do you know the Galaxy S4 won't be able to crop videos before sending?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Does anyone read the articles that are linked in posts? The SQ site (link in post you're questioning) said that the problem they had with the pre-production s/w was the corners of their shots were out of focus. The two shots you're calling BS on are showing the difference between the pre-production and final s/w using the upper left corner of a composite as an example. Both versions of s/w are focused in the center of the composite. Here's the composite.

The link is right under the quote.

So, basically, you're calling me a liar because I've posted my experiences as an owner and you, who don't even own the phone, think what I posted is untrue? Other than saying "the update" makes what I've shown impossible, what have you provided to support your point? Links to threads with One X owners claiming vast improvement? Pics from anyone showing the One X performing better at high resolution? No. Nothing but your second-hand opinion.

I've provided support for everything factual I've shared that's not my opinion. Where I've ventured an opinion I've said so. It's not my fault if you question the source or don't follow the links. The friend I sold my One X to and I are having lunch tomorrow. I'll take some side-by-side detail pics with my ex-One X and N2. I'll provide a screen cap of both phone's "about device" page and the exif data for the pics which will have tomorrow's date and be geo-located in Spokane where I live. Proof enough?

Seriously?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
I am almost certain they wont include this due to copyright infringements as iphone do this. Htc pay apple a percent per handset sold so they can use certain patents. Google it. And also if sammy have not fixed the massive gap which I helped fix in the Rom I am using which they didn't then its unlikely they would have fixed this. See below. I still may get an S4 but my S2 is so darn good I just want a change of scene.

Custom Stock Rom 4.1 Eternity

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[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
You haven't posted your experiences, you've posted links to illegitimate tests then claimed they are relevant as if there wasn't a problem with the One's firmware. I look forward to your pictures tomorrow proving everything you're saying about the One X vs S3 quality, plus proof that your phone is up to date, and that it hasn't been edited in anyway to make the photo look worse. Now what about the questions I posed to you in the Q&A forum in the thread called "Galaxy S4 Laggy?", still waiting for you to get back to me on that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
S4 laggy ? Unlikely. No phone is laggy these days. Anything with a new processor will run fast.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
It's a thread in the Q&A, I didn't make it, go read it if you want to know why I am asking him to answer a post I made in that thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Interesting titbit of info from HTC re the HTC One camera. In 90% of situations the camera will be better. So 10% they readily admit it won't. It was all about balance. Small photo sizes for easier sharing, less memory space required etc.

I'm sure the S4 camera will be good too.

At the end of the day, we the consumers now have a choice. And it probably just boils down to personal taste.

We also mustn't forget that as the phones receive software updates during the first 6 months after release, the camera on both phones will get improved via software. Look at the S3 as an example now offering a low light option.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
I've noticed that Anandtech seems to suggest that HTC is focusing heavily on trying to get a fast shutter speed over a more balanced setting between ISO and shutter speed in the mini review. Seems like getting ideal photo quality will require turning down the sharpness to at least -1 and for low light, turning the scene mode to night.

Daytime noise is just going to need HTC to stop being so aggressive on auto ISO, there's no real way to fix it short of using manual ISO settings.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
There are different focus modes and the phone chooses the ideal in auto mode. The HTC One pictures taken by Jon Choo & others on pre-release SW had no focus issues so there cannot be magical improvement on that. The issue is not focus like your article suggests, but the high level of noise which results in high level of noise reduction which results in high amount of blurriness even under the finest conditions. Your article still concludes "lmaging quality is middling due to 4MP sensor" even after the SW update so there goes the level of improvement.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ratchet2012a:
i saw a video compairson of gs4 and htcone and the first seemed much more detailed and well calibrated (light and contrast and colors).

noise reduction in better on htc one ONLY in closed area meanwhile when we are out in a open place with much more light the gsIII is equal/better.

the problem is the noice reduction -> it is better on htc, but when we are out in a garden they are pretty the same....in that case the light comes well in both the lens and so the photos are equally well

i'm italian but i hope you understand me xD
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The photos are not equal at all. Show me any HTC One photo that rivals these S4 ones, full size, full details.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ratchet2012a:
in photo and video details, the SIV is the best!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yup, the SIV is better as expected. The One has quite a heavy color noise which is oddly a small pixel issue yet it appears on the UltraPixels so even in excellent conditions the SW has to reduce noise then sharpen the results which ends up in some ugly small details if you look closely, though nothing too bad I guess. The SIV just has the extra detail with no noise.

http://www.abload.de/img/12eqs4d.jpg
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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Drum roll please. ;) Here are the results of today’s shoot-out between the One X and N2 focusing on noise, artifacting, and detail at high resolution. A couple of things up front. It was a dreary overcast day which didn’t help either camera. I also misspoke when I said the last time I used my One X before I sold it that it had all the updates. My friend who bought it said it received a small (24MB) update under his ownership.

So the pics. I took multiple pics of various subjects with both cameras set to their “point and shoot” settings. No adjustments to settings whatsoever. The One X still has a focusing challenge especially on distance shots when there are objects of varying distance in the frame. These pics are the best out of about six taken for each subject. My friend, who thinks this is nuts, helped judge the best pics from each camera for objectivity.

Note II/One X – Gazebo

Gazebo Crop

Note II/One X - Planter

Planter Crop (The third pic is of the same planter taken with the One X when it was new before any updates)

Note II/One X - Building

Building Crop

Authenticion as requested...

To see the exif data click on any of the pics and it'll take you to Flickr. In the "actions" drop down in the upper left select "view exif info." You'll also notice all the times on the devices and pics are within an hour of each other.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Umm the comparison was supposed to be between the S3 and the One X, not the Note 2 and the One X, as it was a GSMArena comparison pic between an S3 and a not yet updated One X that you used as a "valid" comparison that was the issue.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Do you read anything I write (not that you have to)? I never owned a SGS3 and in comparisons to the One X camera I've made I only mentioned its performance against the N2 which I do own. I've mentioned this which may be where you got confused. If you believe GSMArena (and you don't have to) the results are still valid for a comparison.

The Samsung Galaxy Note II camera quality is better than that of the original Note and nearly identical to that of the Galaxy S III camera though processing seems a bit different. The noise levels are kept down and the level of fine detail is high. Colors look good though they are slightly oversaturated across the board (the S III mostly pushes the green channel).

In the synthetic resolution chart, the Note II and Galaxy S III are neck and neck. In a blind test the two are virtually impossible to tell apart. The second chart shows fairly clean color rendering. The grass, gravel and white noise squares have been smudged by noise reduction, though no worse than what the S III did. White balance under artificial lighting (the third chart) was accurate.​

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii-review-824p9.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Yeah, I was talking about the S3, as you used it as a comparison (by posting the comparison pic between the two that GSMArena made in their S3 vs One X camera showdown) showing the difference between noise in the S3's camera and the One X's which was taken before the One X got the update. My whole point was that using that comparison was misleading, as the One X wasn't yet updated at that time and it was known there was an issue with it's camera when that review was done.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
To have a fair camera comparison two people need to go out photographing the same shots and then compare.

Bright sunny days will bring the best out on any camera and is not really a challenge.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Already done over the course of this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39430986&postcount=149

"Low light winner: Samsung Galaxy S4. Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance. You'll have to snap several photos to make sure you have a good one, but the end result will be better than what the HTC One produces. The Galaxy S4 has a slight advantage in low-light video too. The HTC One is more reliable - thanks to its OIS you can snap just one photo and know it will be about as good as it gets. But the camera's performance is simply nothing to write home about, and there are cases when OIS just isn't helping at all (when shooting moving subjects)."

* My note: the GS4 does better white balance all-around except for the flash shot which is blueish due to the light tinting the LED. Very natural skin colors 95% of the time.

"Video Winner: HTC One. The HTC One takes this round thanks to its much wider field of view and OI. The Samsung Galaxy S4 can shoot great videos too, as long as you have steady hands and have enough room to take a step back."

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p10.php

* My note: check these 2 video samples, notice the One's constant refocusing and slower adaptation to changing conditions (slow download, sorry for that)

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/htc-one.mp4

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s4-camera/add/video/sgs4.mp4

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p8.php

"Good light winner: Samsung Galaxy S4. It's pretty clear that things are going in favor of the Galaxy S4 here. It produces sharper photos with better colors and there's resolution to crop things out. The narrower FoV is not ideal but it's not a deal-breaker.

The HTC One lost this round, though to be fair it was never expected to win a head-on fight in good lighting conditions. Its photos are certainly good enough if you'll post them on Facebook or show them off on a TV, but don't come close to the samples produced with its competitor today."

"Total in one word - love. S4 camera in perfect and outperforms other phones, which proves that this comparison. Given that the product will be very widespread, we can expect that people will have more good quality photos that can only be welcomed."
[Galaxy S 4 General] Squirrel1620:
Using the correct settings makes a world of difference. That's why I wouldn't trust any review but my own comparison.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
You're exactly right. I won't be getting the S4 until a month or two after it's out, so will give a good chance to see what it's like at 'capturing the moment' rather than multiple attempts at a posed opportunity or scenery shots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
So why did you get the HTC One before a month or two out?

Please continue this conversation in a respectful manner staying on topic (applies to myself too).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I'm only getting the S4 a month or two after it's out because I'm due an upgrade in June/July. If the phones came out in the opposite order, I'd have the S4 now and be getting the One in June/July :)

I did a test on the One and the S3 yesterday in average indoor light (typical for photos I would take), and interestingly the S3 had a faster shutter speed, meaning you would get less blur from moving objects. The One's photo was much nicer, with lower iso, but I would prefer a higher iso and faster shutter speed for the photos I normally take.

Apparently anandtech's review is looking at shutter speed, so interested to see what they find.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
HTC One vs. Galaxy S4 test, inside.

Low light, HTC One, Galaxy S4

Flash, HTC One, Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] rangerali99:
Bit early, isn't it?

It's a bit early to decide or compare phone features yet. Anyway, i'm guessing those photo's were from the Galaxy S4 Event so the phone wouldn't be the final model/device. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] aliveon2legs:
That would probably be true of both phones.

It's pretty clear to me that the HTC One is slightly better in low light conditions, flash or not. Without the flash, the One's photos will be slightly less grainy. With the flash, it retains color accuracy much better than the GS4.

It's also pretty clear to me that the GS4 takes MUCH better pictures in good lighting condition. Overall, when I weigh the two things, the loss of detail in the One's photos are too much for me to overcome. It is the biggest factor in my decision to buy the GS4 over the One. I was ready to immediately pull the trigger on the One on March 15'th, when I thought it would be released, fwiw.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I have the HTC One. I have owned the Note 2, iPhone 5 and S3. Whilst the One has some awesome photo tricks and speed, and great ways to make a 30 second memory and small file sizes, however I do think based now on the extensive photos I have taken that the pay off is detail. And that's it. That's not too say I haven't got some amazing photos. The phone takes perfect shots nearly every time. But I can't wait to see the real users photos with the S4. It is superb that these phones have such great cameras.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
@Barry

After giving the One's camera a decent amount of use over the week, I'm pretty sure they've messed up some stuff on the software side. There's something not quite right with the iso levels, but we will see what happens with software updates.

You can guarantee that Samsung will come out with something much closer to the finished product when the S4 launches.