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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I was just playing around with the Otterbox pics; I think they're gross too. But, to your point, the likelihood of noticeably damaging a One is much higher than a SGS_ simply because aluminum isn't as durable and is more susceptible to dents and gouges than plastic. And it's not debatable, it's a fact. And replacing the back cover on a SGS_ is $20 while a replacement back cover on a One X was $125, a number likely to be higher on the One because of the cost of its shell. Whether it matters or not to people individually isn't really debatable either as it's personal choice.

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The whole "storage doesn't matter, I use the cloud" argument has always puzzled me. The only way that's practical is:

- Your data plan is unlimited, your carrier's data costs are incredibly reasonable, or you have so much money none of it matters

- You rely on Wi-Fi and go to a handful of places regularly that you know provide both a strong signal and adequate throughput

- You never travel on airplanes not equipped with Wi-Fi (even those that do IP block streaming sites)

- You never travel where Wi-Fi is sometimes hard to find, sketchy when you find it, and possibly expensive; especially internationally

- You never venture off an LTE/HSPA+ network or visit secondary or tertiary areas and only take family vacations using interstate highways

- You live in world where there are never connectivity issues or disruptions

So how effective an alternative is to real storage is a personal thing. It’s interesting that outside the U.S. you don’t hear “but I use the cloud” because data costs are prohibitive. And by the lack of sales of Chromebooks I'd say it still matters to a lot of people. I know it matters to me. I kind of envy the simplicity of some people's lives. And it’s kind of a rhetorical point anyway. HTC equips the One for China with an SD card slot and the only reason the rest of the world isn’t getting it is so they can save some money. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be having this debate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: Samsung GS4 vs HTC One - which features do you think are actually better on the G

SD card slot!

It should be standard for every Android device!

Google should buy/invent a reliable memory file system for sd cards and make it open source.

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Absolutely, I never understood as well. What puzzles me most is people will go crazy and put the town and fire if we try to touch their privacy but they are willingly putting files on somebody elses hard drive(thats really easy hacking). It's like putting all your money in a stranger's house and trusting him because he said "don't worry I won't touch it":eek:

And think about the cost. I don't know how much it cost in USA to have a unlimited LTE plan but I'm pretty safe in guessing it's cheaper to buy a 64G sd-card.

Are you sure they have sd-card slot for China? Because I just checked and can see anything.

EDIT: Ah ok, They are calling it HTC TD
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's why it doesn't bother some people. AT&T and Verizon who hold 2/3 of the U.S.' wireless subscribers used to offer unlimited data and some folks that were on it were grand-fathered in. Meaning, their paying next to nothing for unlimited LTE data. New subscribers pay $90 a month for 6GB of data and another $30-35 per device on the plan. T-Mobile and Sprint, the other 1/3, offer unlimited data plans to a degree but T-Mobile's just preparing to turn on their first LTE city and Sprint has probably about 15 up. Because their networks aren't competitive their offering "truly unlimited" data. Once their networks are built out I'd expect that to change. They both bounce back and forth between whether data's unlimited or not and have introduced (and removed) data speed caps (down to EDGE) once a threshold's been passed. Data's a confusing mess in the U.S. with T-Mobile marketing HSPA+ as "4G" and Sprint customers getting 1-3MB d/l speeds since their new devices support LTE (not their old WiMax standard) and they have a limited LTE network. And it's still not "cheap."
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: Samsung GS4 vs HTC One - which features do you think are actually better on the G

Seriously :

Unibody is not an excuse for a missing sd card slot.

There is a SIM slot! :D

The Xperia Z is waterproof and has a sd card slot.

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I agree.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
As sure as China Mobile is. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Ha ha ha China mobile is funny. They don't even have real 3g(even if they advertise otherwise) and they make a big 4g sign.

EDIT: China Mobile doesn't have real 3g but they are layering a real LTE netwotk that will be ready around july.

Now I know why I could not find it, the China mobile version is the HTC TD
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
How's this for irony. Samsung is one of the two vendors HTC sources the One's display from. Kind of makes it hard to say the One's an easy choice because Samsung makes crappy displays. No? ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
It's so funny watching you skip between the One and SGS4 threads. Most of your comments are too long-winded for me to read, but I did read this one :p

Regarding the SD slots that everyone keeps going on about, I honestly believe that eventually no phones will offer it.

I would be a fairly heavy phone user but I would never replace or remove the SD card I have in my phones. The current card I have in my Note 2 has gone from a DHD to sensation to SGS3 to Note 2 (I think).

I think very few people are bothered by the SD card slot (the guy I bought my Note 2 off didn't even know it had one when I checked to see he had removed it), and even less care about removable battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Barry is an XDA nomad :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Not sure about that, the smartphone will eventually(in a future fast far away) replace the laptop. Already my S3 is more powerful than the desktop we have at work. I see a future where you will just dock you're phone and the screen will be protected by the phone in the back and will also protect a laser keyboard on the front

But to come back to the sd card, if the smartphone replace the main computer(and it will) there will always be a need for external storage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The really long ones are probably while I'm bored out of my mind on a long airplane flight and keeping myself amused on Wi-Fi. I'll start including executive summaries. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Haplok:
Voted Software (though NOT TouchWiz).

Actually I hate TouchWiz and would love to replace it with something else. But I do love two Note 2 feautures Samsung brought to S4: Floating Touch and Multiview. The rest of the feautures IMVHO are gimmicks, really. But those two I consider actually productive and usefull - might be gamechangers. Plus the out-of-the-box codec support - HTC really dropped the ball here. And the unlocked bootloaders... think HTC should really rethink their policies. But the genius Devs will find their way, I'm sure.

The button placement and choice makes much more sense on the S4 as well.

Edit: And the notification toggles... kinda important too.

Still not enough to convince me to pass on the beautifull HTC One shape, brilliant screen and awesome stereo speakers. That phone is simply an exquisite work of art.... Oh and I consider Sense great, compared with the ugly as sin TouchWiz. May actually stay with stock... though the optimisations the Devs bring to the table with stuff like governors, GPU clocks, codecs, etc. will probably eventually convince me otherwise. Wonder if it's possible to port something like the Floating Touch or the Multiview....

Anyway, I will be getting the One as soon, as it gets released in Poland.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Gimmicks really? You should check this out here -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2204008

You do know that the speakers on the "One" are the same size as the one on the S4 right? And you do know that having the speakers so close together doesn't give you ANY stereo effects at all, right?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Haplok:
Well, all these other feautures semi-usefull occasionally, I suppose. But nothing that would stop me from slapping a custom rom as fast as possible, in order to cover the ugliness of TouchWiz. Zoe covers pretty much all the numerous S4 camera feautures, in a cooler package, IMVHO. But these two I would genuinely like to keep.

You did get me interested with the custom game controller - that actually looks very cool. I refuse to play any arcade games with on-screen controls. Changing the phone into a mobile gaming platform does sound great though! I suppose you could emulate that with an external USB controller... but its a cool concept nonetheless.

Regarding the sound... it might not be a real stereo, but it's still much better then what competition has got. The size of the speaker grill may look promising, but the loudspeaker sound on the S4 is still a big question mark. Plus BoomSound is also superior audio recording capability, which is quite important for videos from concerts, parties, sports, etc....
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
It is a real stereo but to have the stereo effect you need the speakers at a certain distance(put your home speakers side by side and you will just have a big mono speaker). So claiming stereo on a phone is truly a gimmick(whatever good sound it might have)

The size of the grill. On the "One" the size of the grill is way much bigger than the actual speaker. (Another gimmick)

Being an audiophile I don't think ANY phone has the capability to deliver a decent sound on those little speaker. The only way to use your phone for a good sound is if it's plug into a soung system(with usb external soundcard even better)
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
The S4 doesn't have Blinkfeed!:good:

On a 5'' screen I can't easily reach every corner with my thumb. My solution is to place widgets like calender, social, email, newsfeeds and pictures in those areas and the things I need to click on, where I can easily reach them. So the space on my homescreens is not wasted!

Blinkfeed put things on a single homescreen I rather use to cover my "thumb blind" spots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jzarfos:
I'm likely in the minority here but I see the main arguments between these two phones are the screen and the materials. People are simply wanting to buy the One because it's aluminum. That boggles my mind. I would think the actual use of the phone would be important. I dislike sense 4+. 5 is better but it's only prettier, not more functional. I like the "gimmicky" stuff Samsung is doing because I will actually use them. Blinkfeed is cool and I use it. I cant imagine simply buying the phone because it's aluminum.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nitin985:
I thing the one wins hands down for me. I had a n4 and sold it due to me being unable to lithe without sense. I hate amoled. Both have pretty decent gpu's tegra 4 is better than both. 1.2ghz a15 is pretty good but that heady will probably cause the plastic to melt
[Galaxy S 4 General] JesseMT4G:
Geez man, do you ever explain anything with less than a paragraph? You seem to know your stuff, but Wow....and it's every single post!

Sent from a galaxy far away!
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
This quote from a user in the One forum really makes a lot of sense and doesn't seem to have been brought up yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dirn1111:
I'd say design. Not literally phone design, but the designing in a way that the screen is bigger with lighter/smaller body+ more battery( if you think about this.. seriously it is very difficult thing to do for any manufacturer.. )

. What else is innovative? HAHA
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Haven't been brought up because it's easy to know. He's taking about the Eraser features which allows you shoot (in burst) then the app erase what was not still in the pictures. This feature is intented for tourists venues where often people walks in your shot. You can easily see if there is a possible danger that this will happend and you can just set it before.

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Check this -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2204008
[Galaxy S 4 General] Dannar:
What about longevity? Not the battery either, but how long the device will work. Don't OLED screens degrade more quickly?

Not that it's a matter of phone qualities, but how's about who gets out there first? (I live in the USA, so this is biased towards mah fellah 'murikans) HTC is missing their mark, and Samsung doesn't have to convince carriers to accept their product nearly as much now...it's practically iPhone status. It also seems better for Samsung to roll out the S4 sooner than later, since people are more apt to hold off on buying their products when they know the latest and greatest is a few weeks away.

I guess what I'm postulating here is, "What if the S4 beats the One to market?"

Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
I think the user I quoted was talking more along the lines of all the functions. Like sequence/drama shots, eraser functions, always smile functions, etc. Which both phones have. Not just the eraser function.

Really doesn't sound like just the eraser to me

Even still is it always possible to know when someone is going to walk behind the focal point in a photo? If you're saying that the feature is only intended for tourists venues where you know that it's going to happen then that's probably a massive failure on Samsung's part because it's much more useful. But I don't think that's the case.

You don't always know what sort of photo effects you want. Sometimes you only get the second to pull out your phone and take a picture instead of flipping through menus and modes. In this case it's much easier to have those set of features and editing options at your disposal afterwards.

And lets say you want to use multiple features in one shot. With Zoe you can erase someone for a picture while also ensuring everyone in the photo is smiling etc.

I'm not saying Samsung's method is ineffective, but I think in this case HTC implemented their way of handling these much better
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's GSMArena's take on the SGS4's camera s/w features. The problem with Zoe is the results can only be viewed on the device and zoe.com. History's proven (and Samsung's had more than their share of failures) that spiffy cool proprietary features that don't work with mainstream social sites and devices of multiple brands don't take off.

As for the different camera modes, it's a collection of some of the best camera features on current flagships.

One of the rarest modes is

360 photo

. That's basically the same as Photo Sphere - it creates a spherical panorama like you see in Google Street View. Nexus devices aside, the LG Optimus G Pro has such a mode. There's a regular panorama mode as well.

Then there's

Sound & shot

- it snaps a photo and records a few seconds of background audio, which really gives photos an ambience. If you prefer to have motion in your shots instead of audio, you can create cinemagraphs with the Cine Photo mode.

There's also the

Eraser mode

, which snaps a burst of photos and automatically detects moving objects and removes them. This is great for popular tourists attractions as it's quite difficult to get a photo of those without at least one person walking into your shot. This is similar to Scalado based tech in Nokia Lumia phones and the HTC One.

Another mode is called

Drama

, which is basically the same as the HTC One's Sequence shot. It takes multiple photos of a moving subject and creates multiple "clones" of it.

HDR mode

is available under the name Rich tone and there is a dedicated Sports mode and Night mode. You can enable auto night mode detection if you don't want to toggle it manually.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Yes, "multiple features in one shot" is exactly what I meant. Photo bombers happen anytime and anywhere, not just on tourists venues. The way HTC implemented this solution is far more effective , IMO any different statement is staying in denial or biased. However, we can not ignore the fact that it is possible that an update will bring the same advantage of Zoe for S4, but this is not the case now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
They're the same. As is the "photo bomber" feature as described above.

Zoe can also make sure everyone in the photo is smiling and their eyes are open - it detects all faces and circles them, then you can swipe to go through all available images of that face until you find the perfect one.

Best face: Use this to take multiple group shots at the same time and combine them to create the best possible image Tap to take multiple photos. To get the best shot, hold the camera steady and remain still while taking photos. When Gallery opens, tap the yellow frame on each face, and choose the best individual pose for the subject. After choosing a pose for each individual, tap Save to merge the images into a single photo, and save it.

Face detection: Set the device to recognise people’s faces and help you take photos of them​
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
I think that review site has some incorrect information unfortunately. A lot of reviewers have unloaded Zoe highlights onto YouTube. Not just Zoe share. It saves in Mp4 I believe.

And still picture editing just saves in jpeg. Not proprietary
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
If it does, that makes it a pretty cool feature. But if the MP4 captures all of the affects a native Zoe scene does what's the point of zoe.com? It'll be fun to see what Zoe can do when people in the One forum start posting some of their work.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
I think HTC just wanted a place to so people could link their zoe highlights to friends without having to post it on their YouTube channels. Like a vine type service

I believe zoe.com will probably fail though. Only being able to store the videos for 180 days makes it sort of ridiculous.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Apparently the MP4 isn't the same as a Zoe scene. I guess how much "Zoe-ness" is lost in the conversion will determine how people use it vs. just posting a video.

For HTC Zoe photos, use HTC Share to provide your recipients with the total HTC Zoe experience, including a highlight video and a collage of your best photos. Sharing in other ways may not deliver the entire series of shots to the recipient.​

The One user manual's posted if anybody wants more feature details...

https://support.htc.com/@api/deki/files/103147/HTC_One_User_Guide.pdf
[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
galaxy s4

Hello there

At the moment i got a samsung galaxy s3(wich i love)

But now i ordered a htc one..

I can still change my order to a galaxy s4..

Can you please give me some good reasons to do so...

Its a hard choice this time..:(
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Well lets see if you've already own S3 there isn't much point in upgrading to S4, it's essentially more of the same. That's enough reason not to get S4 by itself.

Why to get HTC One well the experience is completely different from S3, S4 and far better in every dept other then ext storage.

It looks beautiful and premium, feels and looks £500 in your hands. The ui is smooth and fast. The screen is gorgeous and specs second to none.

Call quality top notch.

Camera brilliant.

Sound amazing and loud.

So it's got all the ingredients to make it a stand out smartphone.

You've made the right choice stick to it, you won't regret it. I havent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
Anyone who gives you a reason to switch or to stay based on this will just be their biased opinion. Look at what you want most in a phone and decide. :beer:
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: Samsung GS4 vs HTC One - which features do you think are actually better on the G

I think I must have missed something here.

To me Aluminium is like glass last year.

iPhone 4 had it, it was 'premium material' but it was crap.

Metal is a excellent head conductor.

Depending on the weather I have a very cold or hot brick in my pocket?

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I don't get why people say this. Both the One and SGS4 are almost equally advanced hardware wise than their predecessors with the SGS4 being more so with a higher clock speed and DDR3 RAM. A 13MP camera is as different as a 4MP camera. HTC introduced two new s/w features while Samsung's introduced a dozen and had more to start with. Samsung built a thinner lighter device with a bigger display in a body the same size as last year's and evolved the design. HTC introduced aluminum and front facing speakers and went for a radical change in design over last year. So focusing on design, the One is "less of the same" than the SGS4. Focusing on everything else the SGS4 is the more improved device over its predecessor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
The One is light years ahead of it's predecessor in every way. Eveything has improved and the sound on this thing makes all other phones seem dull. I'm not a HTC fanboy, I got the Z as well, and will most prob pick up the S4 too. The S4 is more like the S3 than the One is like the One X.
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
AW: Samsung GS4 vs HTC One - which features do you think are actually better on the G

The S3 was the better phone last year. There was not so much space for improved.

Sent from my GT I9300
[Galaxy S 4 General] mpgrimes:
it depends if you are talking international version of s4 or most likely north american version, north american version of s4 is identical in cpu and gpu as htc one, but the international version of s4 would out do it hands down. please correct me if im wrong.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
It was more to do with personal preference when choosing s3 or hox but HTC One is far far better then last years HOX in every dept.

S4 is superior then S3 no doubt but Samsung didn't offer much in design, material and screen improvements. Sure it does have new features, even though most are gimmicky and wasting space, but no advancements on design and material.

We will never have a "perfect" phone but HTC have done a blinding job with the one far more then Samsung have with S4. If it wasn't for HTC one I might buy S4 because of my craving for smartphones but then again I would probably wait for note 3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
absolutely. the ONE x was a disappointment, yes it had an amazing screen with a great design, but it was so painful to use, lagged like hell and battery life was just pitiful. HTC had a lot of room for improvement. The S3 on the other hand is still very relevant and can compete with the new flagships. So Samsung had to improve something that is already great which is a harder thing to do.

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see my reply above.

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In your opinion. The only thing that the One has "far better" than the S IV is the design. The rest is either comparable or the S IV slaughters it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
It's really personal, but on April 26 I'll probably get the Galaxy S4 because HTC won't sell the One in Brazil. If I had the chance, I'd go for htc one.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Yes design is superior but so is ui, SLCD3, Speakers, inmho camera. Samsung will ditch amoled probably next year or perhaps when note 3 is launched.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
All that is your opinion so I can't say that you're wrong however I disagree. Design is the only thing that is better on the One for sure. As far as the speakers I think we should hear what the S4 sounds like before we draw conclusions. I prefer S AMOLED over LCD, the S3 camera was very good and it is improved on the s4 while many HTC One review say that the camera is "meh". What makes you say that Samsung will ditch their AMOLED panel?