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[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
Haha, gave me a good laugh there. The distortionless audio is a surprisingly big deal for me, I go to a LOT of concerts, and its one of the reasons I keep an 808 around as a secondary device (the Pureview 6x 'lossless' zoom at 720p means it will still stomp the one for concert recordings, but I could probably mostly live with the One in those settings for the audio). I hope HTC can sort out a microphone that performs similarly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
A very extensive shootout comparison between S4 and HTC One

http://blogs.computerworld.com/smartphones/22096/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-camera
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
A dreadful HTC One HDR photo taken this morning. Just the first and only shot taken.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MaKTaiL:
OMG, where do you live? :eek:

It's beautiful.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Thanks. I was joking about it being dreadful :)

I live in Dartmoor, Devon, UK. It is like that all around me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cashyftw:
This is beautiful!

Sent from my SGH-T889
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
the location is amazing but not the details in the photo :cyclops:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Indeed that is so. It's the frustrating pay off on the HTC One camera. It does a lot really well, but as that shot shows, it lacks detail, as do all photos of similar type. Close up, or room sized shots are fine.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Thats called compression (of this site) :rolleyes:

gavin pls upload the picture in full resolution
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
Okay here's the snapspeed edited version https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyq7jbi8dxxco3j/Photo 25-04-2013 07 12 00.jpg

And this is the unedited version as taken by the HTC One https://www.dropbox.com/s/0cwtj379qugcqo0/2013-04-25 07.12.00.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Thanks. Sadly still not much detail. Mhm. Didnt recognized low detail level on mine yet.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I'm afraid for landscape type photos a 1.6mp shot will lack detail. However, it does capture the mood really well, but you just can't zoom in. It is the payoff over the way HTC designed the camera. The S4 will do these types of shots better, but not anything else with such ease as the HTC One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] shox22:
Yes, both cameras have their pros and cons. I´d take both ;).

But i like the one more then the sgs4 due to design and software.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I agree. I have found that I got the photo I wanted everything with the HTC One. And I didn't need to worry about what mode, I could erase objects or people or create a sequence shot afterwards. It is good in that respect.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Why is that funny. I thought it was supposed to be a good mic?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
I believe he's referring to the legal dispute with Nokia which (if I'm correct) got HTC's use of that microphone blocked in at least Norway, if not other countries. I don't think it applies to currently shipped units but it may apply to future shipped ones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
can you notice the noise level in the blue sky??? not good at all
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Yes.. I know about the dispute, but why is it funny that they maybe have remove a very good part of a phone that all of us in this thread are at least considering?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Well if the court ruling is correct and HTC isn't paying their dues then yes it will suck but I understand it, and it should be enforced. I don't find it funny but I'm not angry about it either.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Agree. That noise is strange. Almost looks like a InstaFilter. Usually the One does not produce that kind of noise in daylight pics, but this was taken in HDR.

The One had much problems with HDR mode in earlier softare taking really crappy HDR pics. This should be resolved in latest updates. Which software version was this photo taken with?

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You know HTC didn't have anything to do with it right? It was the fabricator of the mic who had an exclusive deal with Nokia for 12 months where Nokia was the only company that could by it. The producer thought that the deal was for 6 months and then asked HTC if they wanted it. HTC couldn't possibly know about the deal with nokia something the court also said. They were therfore allowed to sell the phones already produced but have to use another manufacturer for the mic for the coming months until Nokias deal is over.

I'm not angry about it but dissapointed if this means that this brilliant feature might be missing from it if I decide to keep it. Either way I don't see the funny part of it unless you for some strange reason whishes bad things for the One. I'm getting my S4 and One today, and I hope I can try the Ones mic to see what it can do.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sarcron:
Didn't know the exact details, but like I said, I can't be upset or disappointed at an agreement that fell through like that. I'm sure it will still be possible to get a hold of the HTC Ones that have those specific microphones, although if enough people become aware of this ruling they may opt to hike up the price for those units on Ebay/Craigslist/etc.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
Ohh.. a business oportunity! I like ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ficeball:
i wonder if HTC one has 300dpi captured photos
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Of course not. These shots have 72 pixels/inch resolution (don't mix up with dots/inch which is a print value).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
How do you mean? Dpi is pixel density for displays and print etc. You can set whatever dpi you want when printing. The only thing that changes is the print size. Maybe I missunderstood you? :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ficeball:
no, i need 300dpi shot for my work. Thanks

yeah, 300dpi photo for printing purpose. would be nice if its on mobile :D

i think i should stick with my digital camera forever.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bathyon:
You can print all mobile pics in 300 dpi. The only thing that differs is the size of the printed image. If you print in 300 dpi then a 5 megapixel image will be much smaller (cm x cm in the paper) than a 10 megapixel image. If you need big print sizes in 300 dpi (A5 and up) then the One is not for you. You need a camera with more megapixels for that.

This is just the technical point of it thou. The quality of the image is a different matter. A 15 megapixel image printed in 300 dpi will still look bad if the camera sucks while an 5 megapixel image printed in 150 dpi from a good camera will still look quite good in print.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ficeball:
yeah i'm good now, thanks!

silly me i never tried to print photos taken with my mobile before because i was "oh its 72dpi, must be blurry" lol :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
There is no such thing as a 300dpi photo off your camera. There is a pixel count and pixel/inch value, usually set at 72ppi even for professional cameras, and there is a completely separate print resolution value, professionally 300dpi.

A Galaxy S4 full 13MP sample printed at 72dpi would result in a 57x43 inch photo, at 300dpi 13.7x10.

A HTC One full 4MP sample printed at 72dpi would result in a 37x21 inch photo, at 300dpi 9x5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ficeball:
thanks you for make things clear for me im still noob with camera :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
I am still on the old firmware. v1.28. Looking forward to 1.29. This is a photo taken with the One. I was taking a photo of the Quay, when these Seagulls appeared. I didnt have to select a mode, just pressed and held the camera shutter. 20 photos in a second or two. All in focus capturing the birds flight. I am happy with that.

BTW spent more time with S4. Looks cool in black. Not so good in white. Takes very good stills. Motion not as good due to blurring.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Laughing at myself and how I did not take the lens protector off !!!! Siilly huh. Pictures much better now ;) lol.

Taken with default wide 9.6 mp rather than 13.

Light is dingy inside so not bad really.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
lool that's okay ! Well that wide shot with only 9.6MP still looks really nice and sharp ! I would keep it like that instead of 4:3 screen !
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
maybe the reviewers didn't took it too :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jooosty:
I just realized this also lol. I was still in awe with the quality

Sent from my Note 2 hehehe (:
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
The last mobile I had with better pixel per inch is Nokia x6 with the value of 300:D

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[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
CNET GS4 vs One vs iPhone shoot-out
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
It is honestly quite a rigid bit of plastic and no doubt every one will miss it as it looks like part of the lens. Possible most people will miss it as you have to pick at it to remove it. To summarise about camera. Similar to s3 where in outside light its great and details and colour is amazing. Indoor with ok light it takes some nice stills and macros but moving objects blur. Low light shots are noisy and useless.

This is honest as I owned the htc one which I sent back and now have the s4.

I attach a bedroom pic in darkness. Very very noisy but I wont be taking any pics like this. Lol.

Other pic is just a snap of car gearstick. All pics on auto.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Ohh man that comparison sucks lol they don't even know how to use cameras lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
True. But fast moving objects in auto mode on my gs4 suck.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Been reading through this thread, some great pictures. So when using the Galaxy S4 camera, are the labeled mods (Night/sports) properly calibrated for the tasks they recommend? For example if you want to catch moving objects would you use Sports mode, and have if you wanted to take night shots/low light shots use night mode, etc? Or do you just manually adjust?
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Well I think u should try with it's endless shooting modes ! Like find if there's sport mode or fast shot or moving subjects or even try the burst mode ! Then inform us !
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Seriously dude. ...... oh yes I didn't think of that ?

I tried all iso settings and all of the modes available even sports which is apparently for fast moving pics and had no success yet.

If someone has any luck leylt me know.

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Look at the htc one thread here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2169626 page 154 and see the dogs sprinting but the htc manage to capture the shot with no blur. Looks like the dogs are floating !!!

I have had both phones and can honestly say the s4 cannot do this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
But then the HTC One cannot take as detailed landscapes as the S4. It's a decision as to what is more important for you. Anyway took this on my HTC
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Comparison from Dpreview's showdown. The GS4 has the clear advantage during daylight, excellent per pixel detail at full 13MP and flawless exposure & white balance. The One produces some color noise even in these situations, see sky and jacket

Coming indoors things are getting interesting. This is where you'd expect HTC to dominate, but the S4 ties the One in exposure and has a little more detail, plus no red eye effect with flash.

Studio low light is also a tie, you may notice some over-exposure with the One, but let's not nitpick here (white balance suffers a little)

No surprises during the night, HTC wins since the S4's auto night mode was turned off. The One uses longer exposure here.

Dpreview will test Night Mode in their full review.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Actually that comparison is not pro one at alllllll and I said it before that who took those shots is simply doesn't know how to use a smart phone camera ! Most of the pix are out of focus and I can see some iso forcing in the HTC one ! And I guess the HTC one is not updated to the latest base ! I have the HTC one and I can show u some pix u won't even believe it came from a smartphone ! Yes the galaxy S4 got a hell more pixels and details but that doesn't mean that the HTC one camera is bad ! It has incomparable clarity ! Any one agrees with me ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Lol, did you just call Dpreview unable to use a camera? :laugh:

That's a new one. However you can't pull the "not the latest HTC One update" card every time it loses H2H. It's a 3 days fresh test done on the actual SW at the time. I'm sure Samsung and HTC will improve quality via updates, but that's up to a future test, this is from this week.

All shots were done via auto mode.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Well okay auto mode but u still have to tell the camera where to focus ! It's soo obvious that the camera doesn't know where to focus ! And that would make a really big difference !
[Galaxy S 4 General] wavrunrx:
did you seriously need to quote that whole post bro ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
From this thread and other forums, it is clear the two phones provide different experiences, both have clear strengths and weaknesses. It purely down to personal choice. Neither is better or worse. It just depends on what is better for me or you, and that depends on your needs. What we now need to see is lovely S4 shots taken by the forum members which aren't taken using tripods etc, just normal shots showing off the best of the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
lol am sry :D it's just I really don't like the shots from the HTC one and the S4 and I believe both can do much better ! I've never got those bad results eve!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
That's the point of auto mode, quick snap abilities. I see no focus problems however, indoors shots are softer because of higher ISO, and 4MP with noise reduction shows it's limitations. Again I think Dpreview know how to use a camera, are you really questioning the no1 photography site on the internet? :cyclops:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Ahhhhhh anyways if I have the S4 I would really show u more and more good pix than those in the comparison and one again the HTC one takes amazing clarity and with blazing fast shutter speeds from what I have tested ! Both phones are great but still that comparison shows that both phones sucks ! No1 photography website ! Am goin to doubt each website from now on
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
low-light shots from HTC One forums
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
I own and HTC one but that's really not good idea to post that here ! Cuz both still great devices !
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitinvaid:
I am also gonna buy s4 its just for lough i have removed it
[Galaxy S 4 General] WillyBear:
Here's a pic from the Top Gear Live event in Antwerp Belgium and a KFC one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Good boy :D lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] megagodx:
Why is it that every single year Samsung releases a flagship device that absolutely crumbles under low-light conditions? Happened with the S II, the S III, I was kind of expecting something with the S4, since it was using a new image sensing camera module. Is this a software or a hardware issue Samsung keeps having with their phones?

These are taken from some reviewers...

(from left to right)

Candle light table #1: Galaxy S4

Candle light table #2: HTC One

Candle light table #3: iPhone 5
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
First pic. Low light. Aweful.

Second pic using night mode but used table to keep hands still.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
yep thats true every Samsung phone i've owned Sucks in very low light ( in auto mode ) :(

in night mode my GS2 better than GS3 and Note2 for some weird reason even the WB balance better on GS2 :eek::eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
The amount of times I will use a smartphone camera in extremely low light is very slim. The majority of times I will use the camera outdoors and indoors in somewhat low light like a restaurant. In these situations the S4 does very well. I don't know about you guys but I'm not going to sit in a dark room with an action figure and try to take pictures of it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
You are so right but its the fast moving pics which htc can capture and s4 cant which makes the camera good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] megagodx:
Maybe the benchmarks for picture qualities won't always play out in real world usage, but there will be a time where you might want to capture a moment where you're in conditions where the lighting isn't very good. For an $800+ device, it should at least capture quality photos, in all conditions, comparable to their biggest competition.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Keep in mind the camera is one component of many in a device with thousands of applications of its use, not the least of which much space is donated to the large display. Phone cameras are always going to be lacking, it's a lot to ask to produce a device with a reasonable price tag ($600 where I live), tons of features, and a high quality camera. The flash is there if you truly need the darkest shots. Granted it's best to avoid using it when possible, but you're never truly stuck with "pitch blackness" and good daylight photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
I guess the S4 is lacking in that aspect, but there are still trade offs to the HTC One camera.

Even the biggest competitor to the S4 is lacking in some aspects, take landscape shots and the S4 does a better job, shoot in a restaurant and the S4 will capture more detail, it all depends on your usage and at the time being we can't have it all in a mobile phone camera. There is a reason that an LED flash is built into a smartphone, if your standing in a pitch black room, use the flash.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gavinfabl:
S4 - incredible detailed photos , great for scenery and landscapes, weakness is shutter speed , pixel size is small, low light ok , great for cropping photos and printing them, large file sizes up to 60mp for panoramic. Average 5-6mb

HTC One - crazy fast shutter speed, not necessary most of the time to change settings to take photo so moment always captured , low light and motion lens is ideal, small file sizes ideal for sharing and don't take a lot of space in its fixed memory. Landscape ok to view but poor to zoom. Video highlights a useful feature.

Neither is perfect. Perfection would be combo of both lenses.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Night video HTC One vs S4 vs Xperia Z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlx4_qlB6vA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
The video is....confusing. I don't have a great eye for imaging, but at times (such as the first part) it seemed like the Galaxy S4 captured more light, but that the HTC One was more realistic. Other times, the Galaxy S4 captured less light than the HTC One, but it looked better. I don't know, seems like it could have done with being recorded alongside a dedicated camera to really identify what was more appropriate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
thats a nice comparison. image quality is much better in s4. there are some loss of details in one but the OIS works great to tis rescue, the whole video looks much smoother than s4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
bit of a non-point really - to a lot of people anyway

unless you're going to flip your tv 90 degrees youre never going to be looking at a portrait photo in full resolution anyway.

therefore you will be able to change the aspect ratio in the camera (and yes it will lower the resolution) but you won't see the difference.

btw. that photo is about as bad an example as there is - please tell me its not from a review lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
come on how can you compare two different photos like that? And what is your reference?

HTC One has a wider aperture lens (HTC One is f2.0 and I think S4 is f2.4). It will let in more light Since aperture is wide, depending on where you focus, you will have some softness (also called bokeh in photography) in other parts of the image. But the idea is the part where you focus should be properly focussed. These kind of random images do not help in objectively evaluating the merits of the photograph. We do not know what the photographer was focusing on, how the scene was etc. its better if there is an equivalent photograph from a DSLR (around same settings and same focus points) for comparison.

The nokia fanatics at allaboutSymbian did a very nice objective comparison between 808, 920, One and N95 (it has same pixel size as One). Their result was 808 is superior than everything (hardly a surprise as it has much bigger sensor) but One beat 920 in almost all tests!

here is the link; http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/17055_The_big_shootout_Nokia_808_vs_.php

Another review where there is a reference camera (Nex3) is here: http://www.01net.com/editorial/587307/que-vaut-le-capteur-ultrapixel-du-htc-one-face-a-liphone-5-et-au-galaxy-s3/

HTC One is considerably better than S3 and S2 and iphone5 in this.

Without a reference camera just random comparisons are useless I think. As Ken Rockwell says, sharpness is not important, what is more important is colors. A DSLR reference picture can only tell us how the actual colors look.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
+1 i'm afraid!

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yea, read that - good comparison!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
If the subject requires portrait mode you need to use portrait mode. 3:4 on the One simply crops 4MPs to 3 which is problematic, as is composing for 9:16 or 16:9, which is a movie standard not photography.

Right now we can only compare different photos with similar conditions, it's still better than randomly dismissing 13MP in favor of 4. The One suffers from white balance issues indoors, as seen here: http://pocketnow.com/2013/03/13/htc-one-vs-nokia-lumia-920-camera-comparison The SIV always looks right on the money, you may look up other SIV samples posted in this thread.

In low light the SIV still has minimal noise and high level of details, you need no reference picture to see that
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
lol man you cant possibly compare those first 2 photos - thats just ridiculous

not going to lie - the One photo isnt great, looks like it needs the light source setting changed - but you cant compare it to a GS4 photo from a completely different situation, thats just crazy - in fact its so misleading you should probably delete them.

almost the same applies to the second photo - sure there's noise in the one photo, but you are also picking up additional detail.

the gs4 photo is focussed on the lamp and is completely black otherwise. adjusting the one to take a similar photo would yield much more comparable results.

please stop these comparisons - they are getting stupid now - they arent comparisons, the photos you have posted are completely incomparable

edit. didnt see the first part of your post. yep some situations call for portrait, but unless youve got a 4k+ resolution TV you still wont be looking at 3MP portrait photos in full res
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
Well you are welcome to feel happy about these pics but I wouldnt trust random pics without any proper reference.

technobuffalo have done a proper comparison with Canon 5D Mark II as reference and most people out there agree HTC One is closest to pics from that DSLR. That for me is proper comparison.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I guess my eye sight is off then cause I see nothing natural about the color reproduction, not even compared to the SIV in the last pic which has a more natural skin color, beating the HTC One at it's own game. HTC indoors suffer from red/yellow tinting, but go ahead, feel happy about it.