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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Most likely the LTE versions as in other markets. The article you linked said "4G." The HSPA version will probably continue to be Exynos and continue to be available globally unlocked. And S-600 is a stop gap as Samsung's said they're going to be introducing Qualcomm's multiband LTE radio when it becomes commercially available mid-year. That would allow them to use Exynos across the board if they chose.

The peformance over the One using the same S-600 SoC is pretty impressive so Qualcomm SGS4 owners will have nothing to be embarassed about. The only potentionally faster phones will be the Octa SGS4 or those with S-800.

Snapdragon 600 based Samsung Galaxy S4 is twice as fast as Galaxy S III and iPhone 5, easily beats HTC One too

March 19th, 2013, 12:10 by Peter

Yesterday we got some potentially bad news for Europe – that the Galaxy S4 version in sold in Sweden will use the Snapdragon 600 chipset instead of the Exynos 5 Octa that geeks were hoping for. The same version will be sold in North America. However, then we saw some reassuring benchmarks and now we can add one more.

Primate Labs, makers of the Geekbench app took interest in the Samsung Galaxy S4 performance and made a chart to see how the new Galaxy flagship performs. Using data from a benchmark run by Android Authority, the Primate Labs chart shows that the S4 is over twice as fast as its predecessor.

It also beats the HTC One, which uses the same chipset though at a lower clockspeed (1.7GHz for the HTC, 1.9GHz for the Samsung). As for competition from other platforms, the Apple iPhone 5 scores almost the same as the BlackBerry Z10, both with about half the score of the Galaxy S4.

The Samsung Galaxy S4 used for the benchmark is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 600, meaning it uses slightly updated Krait 300 cores compared to the BlackBerry Z10 and the LG Nexus 4. Also note that the Galaxy S4 used for the benchmark has not been running finalized software.

As Primate Labs points out, the iPhone 5 will be updated soon and the iPhone 5S will improve performance and we’ll have to wait and see how it stacks up. But the Z10 is it for BlackBerry, their other model coming this year, the Q10, uses a lower-end chipset.

Shame that we don’t have a score for the Galaxy S4 version with an Exynos 5 Octa – the Cortex-A15 cores are supposed to blow the Kraits out of the water, battery willing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's HTC's marketing strategy for the One.

"Meanwhile, Ben Ho, chief marketing officer of HTC, said March 15 that HTC is now targeting “techmaniacs,” or tech-savvy consumers, who crave new features and designs. The Taoyuan-based company will focus more on portal websites, social networking, bloggers and through other digital media to strengthen its communications with the 1.1 billion techmaniacs across the globe, Ho said. "​

Focusing on a niche is smart, provided that niche represents a significant enough subset of the entire market. And deciding to target it is great but it's not like competitors aren't targeting it too. Did Samsung outsell HTC 10:1 last year because techmaniacs weren't aware of HTC's phones? Since techmaniacs spend as much time online as they do off I'd guess they saw the One X last year and, based on its sales, took a pass which isn't an "awareness" issue. Would any self-respecting "techmaniac" buy a conformist product like an iPhone? But yet, even being woefully behind in features and with a closed eco-system, Apple sold a hundred thousand in the time it took to type this. And all the h/w and s/w "tricks" Samsung provides would seem logically more appealing to a techmaniac than an all-aluminum design and frontal speakers which, at least to me, would seem more appealing to the masses. As for relying on online channels for marketing a major product, that's what people without money do. It also kind of confirms what HTC's CFO said about "not increasing their marketing budget." Sounds to me like their rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic; at least from a marketing perspective.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
What new features? I always here; blah blah HTC One design this blah blah, design that blah blah aluminium this etc... But I never heard any features(Hardware specs are not features since the S4 beats them all).Ok the HTC One has a nicer design but, what are the features? Blinkfeed???

I'm not trolling, I really want to know?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
They actually removed "scenes" and "themes" in Sense 5 which was a feature everyone really liked in earlier versions and replaced "personalization" with BlinkFeed. And BlinkFeed's getting pretty mixed reviews with the absence of user-defined feeds and not being able to disable it being the top two. Zoe's cool but you can only use it on the device or zoe.com and most people won't use it at all because it's time consuming and doesn't work with the social sites they post to. HTC added HTC TV to work with the IR function but it's no different than Peel on Samsung devices and might be a white-labeled version of the same thing. HTC still doesn’t provide anything like Awake Stay to keep the device on while you’re looking at which is a pretty common feature after being introduced a year ago. So, s/w wise, the One's pretty barren and doesn’t seem like a “techmaniacs” dream device. It costs millions of dollars a year in R&D and programming time for Samsung and LG to offer the features they do; even if they aren’t all used. As we’ve discussed, HTC doesn’t have a lot of money.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
This is why I'm confused, They want to go after people who wants design and features but they have no features. Blinkfeed looks nice but I don't think you will impress a techmaniac with this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
If I were HTC and only had a few bullets in my gun I'd have gone after the "fashion conscious" emphasizing design. I'd probably have focused on more metallic colors like copper, amethyst, turquoise, and taupe and made the plastic inserts available in different colors. I'd also offer "custom versions" at much higher prices via a website to allow people to design their own look from tons more choices not unlike M-B's Designo. The "fashion conscious" is a far larger and more defined market than technomaniacs (a word HTC's made up) and would be for more forgiving about the One's lack of competitive features and would gladly spend more for individuality. HTC’s too far behind to ever “out-technology” Samsung or even LG. But, if the queen had balls she'd be king. There's no marketing problem HTC's facing others haven't faced before them and worked through. Their just oblivious.
[Galaxy S 4 General] omer7:
HTC and Samsung exchange twitter slaps :P

http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-and-sa...er/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
That is actually a good idea. They could take online orders and customize the Aluminum chassis with a CNC machine,

I think Nokia took a bigger drop than HTC but they are getting up(a bit) now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's pretty bad. Our social team knows that doing something like that is a terminable offense. Multi-billion dollar companies don't get to be multi-billion dollar companies by *****-slapping competitors on Twitter. No matter how tempting or fun. Mucking around with the public's image of you never ends happily. Ask Justin Bieber how is recent trip to the UK went. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] omer7:
The reason i shared this link here was due to witty reply of htc. I know both companies shd nt have done this, but at least it made me lol (tweets).

And what did justin bieber do? I dont really know abt it :S
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
He wanted to fight some paparazzi in London. He probably weights 100 pounds ( 45 kilos) and wants to fight lol.
[Galaxy S 4 General] persheshhater:
mouse vs lion;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
1 roman vs Spartacus.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
All in a span of 48 hours. It wouldn't have been so bad if it didn't fly in the face of his "aww, shucks, I love you guys" created image. Not that either HTC or Samsung are "wholesome," but if parents teach their children not to taunt others you'd expect at least the same from companies you do business with. The NY Times (very respected) gave an unfavorable review of the Telsa Model S some of which was questionable. Rather than let it die their CEO went nuts on social, the whole thing ballooned, and Telsa and their CEO ended up on the wrong side of public opinion. When maintaining a public image, when in doubt, less is always more. Except in the case of the third pic below.

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To get us back on topic. Some One drops by owner's. Here's a metallurgy lesson: aluminum is soft. ;) The answer from everyone on the One forum is "get a case." If that's the case ( :) ), what difference does it make what the phone's made of or how it "feels?"
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Well in case someONE is afraid to drop their phone, they shoud definitely buy a case. Case closed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
That's a little unfair barry, are you suggesting that a plastic device would fair any better? And you used to be so much more impartial on the one x forum... You've changed :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
I agree with the post above....Yes of course the metal will dent but fingers crossed it'll be at the expense of the internals surviving so you can phone your provider for your replacement should you deem the damage sufficient enough....

And again as the post above states, do you guys thing the S4 will just hit the floor laugh and walk away or something? It's also just a phone you know lol....I've watched a friend drop his S3 (and yes I know it's not the S4 but come on) from waist height and I'm almost certain the screen had broken before it even hit the ground, this compared to my Desire HD which yes is totally bent out of shape and on it's last legs but it has been quite literally launched at a brick wall (I'm an angry man) and once I'd put the battery back in it laughed at me for my feeble outbust....And no I'm not jumping all over Samsung fans. I appreciate the phone's that they produce. I just think it's silly to post up some damage to a rival phone when honestly you must know that any phone can be easily damaged.

And actually saying all this doesn't the S4 now have a metallic surround? So doesn't that mean it would also dent if dropped on the edge?

And PS, Aluminium isn't always soft, it depends on which alloy composite you go for....I design work-boats made of the stuff and they're more rugged than any steel boat ;)

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what about the Aluminium edging?
[Galaxy S 4 General] randombirt:
You surely have some sort of proof that the one is "scratched, scraped and damaged so easily."
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
Isn't it common knowledge that plastic is impossible to damage....oh no wait....I'm thinking of Water, my mistake......
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
What he says is that you'll put your precious brushed metal beauty in an ugly case on the first day so what does it matter how the phone looks under it? What matters is what the phone does under the case, and the SIV does more and better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
I think saying that the S4 (not SIV btw) does more and better under the case is very subjective. Both of these phones do a stupid amount for a phone, if anything smartphones these days offer too many things but your comment seems inaccurate and vague to me. If of course you're relating to the octa core stuff then for me again as I'd only be able to buy a quad S4 then that again is inaccurate....Comparing the phones to such degrees is futile in all honesty. The S4 will undoubtedly be the best selling phone of the year. Samsung do what they do well. But the HTC One is also a truly amazing phone and no-one can deny that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
IV is 4 in Latin number
[Galaxy S 4 General] josephnero:
For me aluminum means easilly scratch.

I had a sensation and S2.my s2 was like new when I sold it but sensation had tons of chip ofs and scratchs
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
No IV is 4 in Roman numerals (http://literacy.kent.edu/Minigrants/Cinci/romanchart.htm) but never mind....

Edit: I stand corrected, it is also latin numbering....but even so I know what I was getting at.

And I was having a cheap jab at an obvious Samsung fan for his error in the name of the phone....I recall the fact that they had gone for 4 and not IV being noted at the unpacked event....
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
Maybe having a unbiased opinion about things and owning a one x changed him..lol

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Speaking of dropping phones, how much will it cost to replace a screen on the one as opposed to the SGS4? My girlfriend has dropped her sgs3 twice in the last 3 months, smashing the screen twice. I paid the €165 for repair the first time, I'm not paying again.

P. S. I know we should have insurance but I generally look after my stuff, and insurance companies seem to be much harder to make a claim with these days.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Yes but aluminium can easily be repaired. All you have to do is buy a dremel(400$), buy the aluminium polishing bit(120$), buy the oil and polishing compound(50$), remove the case from the phone(if you don't know how, a repairman can do it for you(50$) then you polish the aluminium until all the scratches are removed, then put back the case on the phone and VOILA! You have an almost brand new looking phone.:rolleyes:

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The Romans were speaking Latin.

Cheap jab? I think a little education never hurt anyone.

I'm a fan of power, features and quality and I'm a fan of not paying for useless parts.

When I go to a restaurant I don't mind paying 500$ for good food. But some restaurant makes you pay 500$ for decoration on the walls and serves you medium food. This really pi$$ me off.

Now Samsung offers the most for the money. If HTC comes with a better offer I'll go with them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
Yes I suppose you're right though it's fair to say that technically the Ancient Romans spoke Latin commonly they spoke Greek but you're correct in that Latin and Roman Numerals are one and the same thing due to the official Roman language being Latin.....

And yes maybe you're right, people do need educating to some extent but it makes me chuckle when people go jabbing at this phone and that and mines the best even though I don't know what it's called.....Resonates sheep to me but that's just my opinion.

But anyway back on topic lol....I am with you on what you say only I see it the other way around I suppose. I was hoping for Samsung to bring something more inspiring to the table this year and although the S4 will arguably be the better phone this year it doesn't capture my interest and imagination as well as the One does. I really wish Samsung would at-least attempt to edge towards the edge of the 'box' even a little bit....I really do think it's a shame they duplicated the design of the S3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
From a user point of view I can understand you would've prefer another design(even if I don't think it a matter of going down the street naked and call a revolution). But samsung is a business. When they invest millions in R&D and marketing etc.. They want to make sure their money comes back. This said, Samsung is an angry business on a mission to destroy Apple. The target customer for the S4 IS NOT old S3 users. They know most S3 are stuck in a contract for probably another year. They're targeting Apple users mostly and customers from other companies. For people who never owned a Samsung the design is new. I would even say the design is familiar. Don't forget that in marketing having a familiar design is a big plus. How many times you see the new fashion and think it's ugly and you'll never wear it? But eventually the design becomes 'familiar' and doesn't look so ugly anymore. They NEEDED to keep a familiar design to attract customers from outside Samsung users.

Samsung has cover their back in every single detail. They have a familiar looking phone targeted to non samsung users, they've put enough power and features to be in first position and they used cheaper/easy to make materials to have a price advantage(we don't know the price yet but I bet i'll be cheaper than the HTC One, unless HTC press the panic button.).

You might like them or hate them but Samsung's strategy is near evil genius.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's not about impartiality or having a side. If that were a One X that dropped it would probably have marks on it from the fall but not gouges. I used a skin on my One X rather than a case and dropped it plenty of times. The body of the phone itself was never damaged, only the skin got scuffed. A skin wouldn’t have helped those two One’s. It's kind of a quid pro quo. You can't really talk about the upside of aluminum (design options, the way it looks, premium feel) without talking about the downside which is durability. The iPhone forums have tons of conversations about aluminum's durability as will the One's. If Samsung moved to aluminum the discussion would be exactly the same. No one hesitates to slam Samsung's choice of design to accommodate a removable/replaceable back cover and use of plastic (even owners) but there is an upside; especially compared to the frailty of aluminum. That was the point I was making. And don’t forget that even if a Samsung device got gouged like that a replacement back cover is under $20.

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And evolving design isn't something Samsung figured out on their own. Nor did Apple.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Yes, I mentioned, Porshe, Ferrari, Rolls Royce, Harley Davidson, etc.. (I only mentioned cheap brand on purpose)
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
Quit posting bs like this. Stop pretending the only thing Samsung added to the s4 is gimmicky features. Wake up and smell the coffee. The ONLY thing the one has on the s4 is its premium look/feel. I like many use a case from day 1so that argument is pointless to me. So change your post to "yes it comes down to personal preference. For some premium build and no option for battery or sdcard is enough, for non HTC fanboys who actually Compare both phones and want the best phone, will get the s4."

BTW if the s4 was made by HTC I'd buy it. Has nothing to do with the brand. I want the best phone, and I'm sorry but the s4 is the better phone. Its not subjective at all its fact.

If u take away the looks of both phones it's night and day which phone is best.

PS..its still night and day without taking away the looks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'd have no problem buying an HTC phone again as my Teg3 One X was a great device. It had a too small battery but I knew that going in. HTC updated Sense three times (4>4.1>4+) and the OS three times (4.0.3>4.0.4>4.1) while I had it. There were some things I liked in Sense I wish TW had. And given a choice I'd prefer a LCD display.

But for me to buy another HTC phone they're going to have to get competitive in s/w features. I'd probably not be a BlinkFeed fan because of the feeds not being user-changeable. I'd probably not use Zoe because you can't use the results on social sites. Outside of those two things there's nothing new in Sense meaning it's got the same functionally as it had a year ago. And in mobile electronics a year is an awfully long time. For people that are purists and like AOSP that's probably a good thing. I'm just not one of them.

As for h/w and design I'm kind of neutral. I bought the One X over the SGS3 last year primarily because of the display. I liked the looks of the One X better too. If the One X had the same display as the SGS3 (or vice versa) I would have bought the SGS3 even though the One X looked better because of the bigger replaceable battery and expandable storage. From posts in this thread I'm not alone. As they say, "beauty is only skin deep." And, at least for me, that applies to both h/w and s/w.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vapotrini:
Wow, I don't usually respond to these things but this is just ridiculous.

The only thing the HTC One has over the S4 is premium build? Really.

What about speaker quality & loudness? How about camera & video quality? How about the screen itself? Do you know for certain the S4 is better in all regards? Of course you don't, cause you don't have either phone. You're just reading specs and seeing 2 min clips and passing your opinion off as if it's gospel.

Yes the S4 on paper has better specs on paper, but all that means nothing if the UI skin's aren't properly coded.

The best phone is the one that suits YOU best, so please stop telling others what's best for them... or what's the absolute best.

As for your night and day comment. Imo, the only thing that appears to be a night and day difference is the build quality between these 2 devices. The rest of the differences, all seem negligible.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Ddot196:
Jesus squidder you sound stupid. Basically the only people that buy HTC phones are fanboys? How old are you? Sorry but I've owned both Samsung and HTC phones before. They both have their qualities. To say s4 is the better of the two phones is a complete opinionated statement. I don't need sd cards or a removable battery, does that still mean the s4 is the best option? Lol. That entire post was full of fail.

Back on topic though. I'm on the fence on which phone to get next. I won't be getting either or on launch day so I'm not worried about that. The only thing I've enjoyed on the HTC vs the Samsung's are the screens. I much prefer slcd3 vs samoled. Just a much more natural look to it on your eyes. Other than that, they are both good phones. Well, of course HTC botching the buttons which might ultimately put me into the Samsung camp. Of course those speakers are amazing. Well I guess you could always wait to see what Google and moto come up with. ;)

coming from the og one x
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
I don't speak for screen or camera and stuff like that because THAT is what's subjective. Of course I'm basing which phone is better on specs. What should I base it on? When I say its a fact that its a better device, that's because it is. It has the better specs. You can talk on paper all you want but the reality is both companies will put out a solid product that is efficiently coded. This isn't 1985, both devices will work as intended, but even if they didn't this is xda... I will say it again. Its night and day. I'm not telling anyone what's best for them, I'm just saying which device is best. I never said the s4 will be the perfect match for every person on earth in every situation. I'm smart enough to know other people will make different decisions based on what they want, but that doesn't mean the s4 isn't a better all around device. HTC in fact was my favorite company previously but they have absolutely dropped the ball as of late, and the sales prove it.