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[General Topics] JesseMT4G:
Yea, worked out real well for Saturn, lol!

You people are funny! The One is 10x nicer build wise over the lackluster s4. It's a revamped s3, little beefed up and bam, the uneducated will buy them up in millions. Why, because people are so brainwashed with glitz and glamour marketing, which Samsung is King in.

Heck I fell for it as well and like my s3, but the One will be my next phone. I dare to be different.
[General Topics] ShapesBlue:
And that's your choice. HTC builds with plastic also.. My ThunderBolt is mostly plastic except for the kickstand

Running CM10.1 on my GT-P3113
[General Topics] DrunkFuX666:
Well I think each of you has your valid views regarding the s4 VS the s3... But you need to take more things into consideration than just plastic or design or copying apple bla bla...

Personally I think the s3 is very ugly... I know some will disagree as someone posted about how they have owned every Samsung phone ever and they look the same, but that's not true. The s3 finishing, especially on the sides on that border was so terrible, it looked like they gave the border to kindergarten kids and said Paint this children...! On the other hand the finish of the Note2 was much much better... Not nearly as bad as the s3... And considering the s4 looks a lot like the note 2, for me the s4 is a lot more palatable.

But as I said already I don't think looks are what this phone is about... I think the only worthwhile upgrade for people who already own a GS3 is the doubled ram from 1-2gb which greatly helps performance in my opinion. Apart from that, the quad core is plenty fast, the camera is superb, and the screen... Well its not bad at all and still pentile so. I don't seen any reason for someone to upgrade to an octacore... Unless they plan to use their phone to fly a space shuttle...

All that aside the main focuses for this phone like last year are the software upgrades, which do look pretty interesting... But having said that, when you know and its already been announced that the s3 will get the same updates then... Why the upgrade again...??

I think the real question here is, of all these software mods they are making, will it be possible for our amazing Dev community to incorporate them into any ROM so whether your a HTC or Samsung or LG fan, you can get a taste of these tweaks that a Apple fanboy never will... :)

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[General Topics] combat goofwing:
"Samsung will not radically depart from what we are expecting"

roughly translated means just like apple minor tweaks here and there and try to pass it off as the next big thing

what HTC have done with the ONE is ground breaking on both hardware and software,no other company has change its hardware /software so radically from its previous flagship device.With out HTC and the like apple and samsung's upgrades would be even less looks like a SGS3s to me
[General Topics] ShapesBlue:
Agreed. HTC has just left a really bad taste in my mouth with my ThunderBolt.

Im a little bitter

Running CM10.1 on my GT-P3113
[General Topics] Konvey:
Honest Opinion

To be completely honest, I'd have to agree. Seeing the press release now there really is a GS3S, but I'm talking about the GS4. Really, they put a bigger screen on there, made it look a tiny bit different, upped a few specs (which judging from a hands-on that TheVerge did with the device, it wasn't helping because even the notification bar lagged :P) and that's about it. I don't think TouchWiz really changed, either (correct me if I'm wrong, didn't read too much about the whole event). Please take into consideration that I'm a proud owner of a Galaxy S III, and while I don't think the new GSIV is that different, I still think it's a strong contender.
[General Topics] ShapesBlue:
CNET does a better review of just about everything. When I want information I go to them first. Just my own personal opinion

Running CM10.1 on my GT-P3113
[General Topics] slannmage:
I dunno HTC Sense looks like Sense and has barely had anything added, the software part is boring and it looks like a HTC phone to me, it's not radically different :\ I'm not defending the GS4, I'm getting neither of these boring arse phones, however people are saying the HTC is so amazing........... just looks like another HTC to me, **** camera, **** software, using metal so you'll have to get a case, no micro SD and no removable battery.

If I was going to get any phone, it would be the GS4, I'd never get an LCD screen again though, OLED is so much better in my eyes. As soon as I'm using a phone in the dark, all I ever notice on an LCD now is the backlight and it's something you can never get used to again after using an OLED.
[General Topics] ShapesBlue:
Interesting that htc went away from the external sd and removable battery because I have both on my htc ThunderBolt. There's yet another reason why I won't go with htc again

Running CM10.1 on my GT-P3113
[General Topics] GofiLorD:
I really agree. But I can understand Samsung. They are probably on a lot of pressure for finding a new design every generation & not get sued for copying, so it's easiest for them to just keep the old design and prove the internals. It's a pretty versatile design. Yes, it's not pretty as the Nexus 4 or the iphone but the plastic keeps the prices down and everything seems to work...
[General Topics] crawlgsx:
Again, if you are calling the S3 ugly than you are calling the Note II and S4 ugly. I am sorry but you can't say tiny details like the space between the home button (which has nothing to do with an aesthetic change, it is just because the market shifted to larger screens) and a slightly better side trim finish make a phone go from ugly to sexy. Now if you had said "The S4 is definitely a little sexier than the S3" than OK I could get that, you like the S3 and the S4 has some minor aesthetic upgrades, so be it. But they are FAR too similar to call any one of them ugly, and another not. The general shape, layout, build quality, materials, etc... is 90%+ identical, with very minor aesthetic upgrades. Nothing more.

The US GS3 also already had 2GB of ram, so that isn't even an upgrade for us anyway.

Touchwiz is touchwiz, it is going to still look and feel the same, just with some new neat tricks and software add-ons.

Clearly I am not a Samsung hater, they make some really nice phones and I have loved having many of them. I just think people need to be realistic with their justifications.
[General Topics] mg2195:
Just pointing this out...he never said the note 2 or sgs4 looked sexy...he said they looked better then the sgs3...pretty much saying "The S4 is definitely a little sexier than the S3" which apparently your ok with yet...you go after him...clearly it was just a misinterpretation of his post...

Anyways; By now everyone's pretty much made up there mind which phone they are gonna get...so they're isn't much use in debating which is better. Thehre both good, both have there pros and both have there cons. It's up to you the consumer to decide which one better satisfies you. Personally for me its the sgs4 because of no locked bootloader, no s-off crap to deal with and most importantly for me a removable sd card...I will never get a phone with out an sd slot unless it has at least 62gb of useable memory

I will admit I am somewhat of a Samsung fanboy...but that's just cause HTC lost me after I tried my current phone (the vivid), Motorola failed to wow me after my dad owned an atrix...for the most part LG has only made entry level crap devices although thanks to the nexus 4 they seem to be stepping up there game...so I may need to try them out. And Sony is really the only phone ive never used...so basically Samsung has always satisfied me where other brands have failed...just my opinion, we all have different ones and they should all be respected

***the last two paragraphs aren't to anyone specific...just general speaking***
[General Topics] crawlgsx:
No what he said was the S3 was ugly. My point wasn't that he feels one is sexy and the other ugly, it was just that if the S3 is ugly, so is the S4 and Note II.

Personally I don't find any of them ugly anyway.

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I agree 100%, they are both great phones and we all have our own priorities. People shouldn't chose either of these phones based on others opinion, or which is "better" because the answer is which is better for YOU.

Personally SD Slot and removable batteries don't even fit anywhere on my phone importance. I have never used 16gb let alone 32 or 64. I have never once taken my battery out or replaced it in any android phone I have owned (aside from doing a reset, which can be done on these phones with a button hold instead). But that doesn't mean it is not important to you or others, we just all have our own needs. Nothing wrong with that.

My posts are not meant to put the S4 down. I think the S3 was a nice looking phone, as well as the Note II and S4. Personally I find the One much more sexy but that doesn't mean it IS, it is just MY opinion. Others will like the look and feel of the S4 better, and that is fine. I have used most manufacturers and will continue to try them all. Majority have been Samsung and that is because Samsung has made some of the best devices! That said I am ready to try something new and the S4 is just not new enough for me personally. The HTC One excites me to try, as where the S4 looks more like SSDD. Right now I am stuck on the N4 waiting, and I borderline despise it. Some people love it, but I can't name one thing that this phone impressed me on. The Note II on the other hand is probably my favorite phone that I have owned ;).
[General Topics] MattBooth:
I want LTE this summer, so if the UK version has LTE, then it's an upgrade for me. IT also has a faster CPU, bigger screen, better camera and more RAM. So, basically, it's a total upgrade.

Unlike Apple's S versions which are only a slight refresh. Never a bigger display. Never more memory and so on.
[General Topics] Nemeth27:
Hi everyone

I'm coming from a Samsung Fascinate. Which one do you think will be better? Note II or S4? I have big hands so size isn't an issue. Just not sure what's more valuable s-pen and bigger battery or hd screen (or is the note II non-pentile just as good?) and those new features?

What about difference between processors? I find it interesting that they didn't mention it. Why couldn't they just say all LTE will have SD 600? (Which I think would be just as good as the dual quad core) could it be the they are goin with an older processor like the S4pro and don't want to say?

I really like the feature and design of the HTC One but less than 16gb is a no go for me. Wish the had a 32gb version.
[General Topics] DrunkFuX666:
Haha... As mg2195 already pointed out, I didn't say the s4 and note are super sexy while the s3 is ugly... I very specifically chose the words "more palatable" which clearly signifies its not the best looking, yet somewhat acceptable... And if you think they all look the same and can differentiate them then all I can say is you may not be that observant when it comes to detail as others are... They are quite different aesthetically...

All that aside I'm not a Samsung hater at all... I've only used Samsung's since I started using android with the Galaxy S, then S2 and then didn't go for the s3 because as I said its ugly and opted to go for the N4 instead... I also got a galaxy Q as a spare phone so I'm not just some Samsung basher... I don't even mind the plastic to be honest... What I don't like is them keeping the source code for exynos so tight which gives our devs an extremely hard time... Hence the switch to a nexus device... I would have gotten the note 2 instead but its just too big for the pockets... "In my opinion".

And yes I agree for people who have a s3 I see no reason to upgrade just for the added softwares since you will get them soon enough... Think I already mentioned that...

But nonetheless... I wonder how much the s4 will be for since no pricing has been announced yet...

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[General Topics] physwm2501:
Does anyone know the big changes from guerrilla glass 2 to guerrilla glass 3? Noticed the one uses 2 and the galaxy 4 uses 3?
[General Topics] crawlgsx:
I didn't mean to imply that you did think the S4 was sexy, or that you are a Samsung hater. I understood your point, my point was that IMO the S3 can't be ugly without the next 2 being ugly. They are THAT close. Clearly you understand my stance when you chose the word more palatable, that the difference is NOT that much.

Show me how they are quite different aesthetically, because I don't see it. I have looked at them countless times and I just don't see it.

I have held the Note II and S3 side by side in person countless times and they are most definitely not "quit different aesthetically", and I only see VERY minor differences between the Note II and S4 aesthetically.
[General Topics] bbrad:
I'm gonna fall out of my chair lauphing when all you people who is gating on s4 goes buys one and then raves about it lol all you consumers are the same as long as its pretty its the best but Samsung doesn't care about that they out groundbreaking hardware on the outside and amazing new software on the inside packed with a clear and bright display they don't have to rely on looks like the other company's
[General Topics] tylerdurdin:
I wonder if the sounds from the rumor mill are going to come to fruition and Samsung is actually going to lock the bootloader on all their devices to not compromise their secure element. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
[General Topics] bbrad:
Im guessing no as most people buy there phones because Samsung is so free and open
[General Topics] patricktrevor:
the are different

Look and the iphone 4 and 5 the differents are in the screens and twiks same as galaxy s3 and s4.
[General Topics] deom2i:
Well, so much have been said.

For me a i would jump for s4 if they would have used mali gpu. I dont know how the powervr will fair compaired to a mali powered.

What i welcome from s4 is the octa, 2gb ram, camera and better screen.

A phone should have removable battery and microsd card.

About jumping to s4 from s3 wont be soon i guess i will wait for next note..stylus is a thing i need now.
[General Topics] tylerdurdin:
I agree this used to be the case, but most of Samsungs sales now are from people outside of the development camp. They don't really need us anymore.... But we'll see, maybe they still got love for the little crowd.
[General Topics] therebel88:
I don't think I'll be jumping from the S3 to the S4. Definitely agree with it being more of an S3s. Incremental type of improvement. Although somebody on G+ posted Quadrant results for the S4 and they were off the scales. I know quadrant isn't really that great of a test anymore, but still seemed rather impressive.

Would like to get my greasy mitts on it though and test some things out.
[General Topics] Super Chimp:
HTC must despair they did all the right things with their flagship, design wise, materials, innovation in the camera yet they'll still probably see the One get outsold by Samsung with the GS4.

Funnily enough I see Engadget calling it the GS3S here.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/15/samsung-htc-design-marketing-battle/
[General Topics] bbrad:
Well that's why I choose Samsung I have a Samsung galaxy fascinate which is a first gen galaxy s and it has no lag and its in android 4.2.2 due to it be completely unlocked and a great community you can only understand why I'm defending Samsung having such a great time flashing ROMs and a great time with my phone but if they decide to lock the boot loader on the sgs4 I will be getting a galaxy s3 (I actually don't plain on upgrading untill I mess up my fascinate because its so dang good lol) or a lg optimus select ( I use cspire they have like 3 smart phones lol) so yea lol I hope they don't decide to lock down like the other people Samsung has always stood out from the crowd
[General Topics] xlxcrossing:
I was in a Verizon store in my area just browsing and checked out the DNA which is similair to the new HTC One. It was an amazing display and I could definitely feel the difference between it and my EVO 4G LTE. The funny part about my visit is that I was looking up the initial reports of the S4 unveiling whilst some old guy was talking to a rep about the S3. I saw the pictures and thought I browsed to the wrong page, it was truly the exact same design. I agree with someones earlier comments that the industry has gotten lazy with design innovation and simply wants to crank out higher number models. I think the S3's lifespan had way more longevity but now that's been cut short by a new standard. How are they gonna justify selling an S3 next to an S4????
[General Topics] Super Chimp:
Do you think someone like HTC have more impetuous to innovate in their design in an effort to attract joe publics interest?
[General Topics] tylerdurdin:
I think so, I was a huge samsung fan boy but the little let downs made me go to HTC. If internals of a phone are the same, all you have to choose from are what's outside. The One X was a clear choice for me based on the build quality, little better camera, and IMO... Way better display.

Expandable storage is an awesome feature I thought I could not live without but I was wrong. Removable battery for some are going to be paramount but I have not had battery issues with my previous samsung devices, and never had any with my One X.

Samsung will outsell the One because of marketing and the stores will be able and more likely to push the S3s because of Samsungs marketing.

Still, I am getting the One.
[General Topics] Super Chimp:
What annoyed me about the GS3 was its build materials I had the back cover on mine crack up around the camera lens not once but twice, with both the original cover and the official replacement cover I purchased going the same way. I am worried that the GS4 may suffer similar types of issue.

The two hurdles I have to get over with the HTC One are Sense 5, admittedly I haven't used Sense in a while but I found it quite hard to get along with when I had experience of it previously. The other one is the update situation with HTC, with my GS3 it received more updates than any other Android device I have owned, and I have owned a few in my time.
[General Topics] haloimplant:
This whole thing makes me laugh, people ripping on this as a 'minor' update simply because the style didn't change enough. If there is another reason to call it that, maybe you can tell me something other than a style change that would transform this into a 'major' revision.

smaller and thinner and lighter

720p -> 1080p

4.8" -> 5"

2100 mah -> 2600mah

exynos4 quad or snapdragon s4 dual -> exynos5 octa or snapdragon 600 quad

802.11n -> 802.11ac

gorilla glass 2 -> gorilla glass 3

triple(?)-band LTE -> hexa-band LTE

8mp camera -> better 13mp camera

added temperature and humidity sensors

added wireless charging

added IR blaster

added air gestures, fancy camera features and bunch of other S-stuff

releasing with latest android 4.2.2

Please tell me what, other than a fancy body, you actually wanted to see that would make this a major revision. To me it looks to be upgraded in almost every possible way.
[General Topics] tylerdurdin:
We don't get the Exynos 5 here which to me is a major decision changer, no Green PHoled display that Samsung suggested, just another pentile matrix, same form factor of previous device, yet just another Note IMO. It's not the worst device by any means, it just don't wow across the board anymore. And oodles more of Samsungs bloat is not attractive to me at least.
[General Topics] heXacode:
Why are we now calling smartphones sexy or ugly? You know... There are women out there waiting to be swept off their feet and be called beautiful/sexy. I think its a bit weird and ridiculous to be "lusting" over these smartphones. It reminds me of that Taboo show not too long ago interviewing a guy who wanted to marry his P.O.S. car and showed him French kissing the car.

Who cares about the looks. I treat a phone like an american muscle car that has a beat up body but a beast under the hood waiting to haul a*s.
[General Topics] budleighs:
ha

HA. Too true :good:
[General Topics] crawlgsx:
That makes you one of a very small minority. Congratulations.
[General Topics] bbrad:
I'm gonna join that minority people care to much about looks nowadays even me at 14 knows that which is sad lol
[General Topics] castle200:
Looks good to me, and what's under the hood sounds good too.
[General Topics] ErebusRaze:
Here's the deal, for at least my opinion. This will not work for Samsung. Apple can build hardware around their own software and release a complete device in increments which stands to keep users interested in an updated look, or better internals because there is no hardware competition within iOS. Samsung has done well in mimicking Apple's successes and improving upon them, but where they've failed this time is trying to use Apple's business model around the Android OS. Besides skins and a few tweaks, Android is the exact same across all hardware. Those of us who have 4.2.2 on our GS3's or HTC One X's, etc, all fundamentally have the same OS in both features and capable applications. When the GS4 is released, the new "features" will not be enough to truly distinguish it from the versions of Touchwiz already released on the GS3 so the experience will be 95% the same. And, contrary to what people may think, Android is NOT fully optimized to handle multiple cores, let alone a faux Octa Core within a SOC. So you're not going to see much of a difference in speeds as no one is doing anything truly demanding like encoding, decoding or editing on their phones, and there are no truly demanding games released that need a fast GPU. In an OS like Android where competition and other hardware (both more premium and less) is readily available for users to pick and choose; effectively not changing the design and keeping the overall experience the exact same for two years in a device will more than likely come back to bite Samsung in the ass.

Notes: 0.2" is not a drastic change in screen size and going from 1280x720 to 1920x1080 in a screen size this small is more of a gimmick than a credible upgrade. I have 20/15 vision and even I can hardly discern the quality between the two. Also, like I said before, reducing the size of the CPU architecture and boosting the processing speeds in mobile OS's that aren't very effective in managing themselves, stands to make this upgraded CPU a less than viable upgrade. IMHO opinion of course.
[General Topics] budleighs:
Off topic

The people that only care about whats under the hood is definitely a minority,

Why wouldn't you want a phone that looks nice AND is nice on the inside...

Wait..this seems to be a direct correlation to life...same applies to human relationships o_O

mind blown :eek:
[General Topics] jRi0T68:
I think it's funny how everyone is so impressed with the HTC One based solely on aesthetics. It's beautiful, sure. Inn even considering it and typically favor Samsung. However, the specs are equal or just lesser than GS4 in most areas, yet somehow GS4 is disappointing? Is they because everyone expects Samsung to smash all competition instead of being about even with the best devices to date at any given point in time?

I am disappointed with the luck of exynos, but I still expect GS4 to outperform HTC One.

In the end, by the time I upgrade, dev support will likely sway my decision.

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[General Topics] bobiscool07:
From a business standpoint, the reason these companies maintain a similar shape/design, especially for the same line, is to build brand power and recognition. Having the iPhone look similar, people are able to recognise it from miles always, similarly this becomes the case for the S line. This means that, Although they have to innovate, they cannot change it to drastically or it will degrade their S brands ability to be easily recognised.