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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The clouds are okay, but there's quite a lot of color noise up there. I recommend trying out a similar shot in ISO50, maybe that helps with the noise, slightly less sharpening too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
I9505 - The ones taken from the car are moving at about 30-40Kph

A mix of auto mode and HDR.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
To be honest, it was only to illustrate that I don't seem to get that purple hue. This photo was taken shortly after I got the phone a month ago, it was on old firmware, and with default sharpness (which oversharpens). The camera has improved since then, but couldn't find any recent ones with clouds....quite strange as I live in Dublin :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
[YOUTUBE]uEfXiWLAFP8[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-ultrapixel-vs-galaxy-s4-camera-205612/

GS4 ♥♥♥ :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Ha! Just wanted to post this. It's an I9500 vs. One comparison BTW.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
oh thats true its I9500 i just noticed :cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] pbenedict:
IU135F3-Z Imaging Modue Connector Type?

I am trying to extend the camera in my S4 with a short cable. I have figured out the camera and imaging module type, the S4 uses the IU135F3-Z (Exmor RS), but I can't find out what the connectors are called/who makes them. Do you have any info?

Thanks!!!

Powell
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Explain to me then the almost pixel perfect 13MP samples when the SIII had noise and blurriness even at 8MP, so does the HTC One at 4MPs. Also explain the much bigger camera unit (sensor not visible) on the SIV compared to the SIII.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
There are always some compromises. Check this:

I would prefer the shot from lesser pixel-size giving me more resolution to play with.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Not exactly a scientific comparison but the SIV does come with a much bigger camera module to the S3. No sensor size visible, but one would imagine it captures more light for a reason, and that reason shows in results so far.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
No its not a bigger camera module. The sensor size is same (the camera module is protruding a bit more coz S4 is slimmer than S3).

But Samsung has put a brighter lens in S4 (it is f2.2 while I think S3 has f2.65). That is why it captures more light. This lens is even brighter (or faster whatever you will) than iphone5's f2.4 lens. But one wierd thing Samsung has done is to choose a wierd 31.5mm eq focal length for their lens! HTC One is a bit wider at 28mm.

A brighter/faster lens has its own peculiarities. Your Depth of Field changes. But overall it is a good thing from Samsung. Theoretically S4 should do better than S3 and even iphone5 in most situations.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Again I ask for confirmation that it's the same sensor size, link to a trusted source or anything. Not that it really matters as samples actually, not theoretically are much better than S3, you just need to check amount of details, dynamic range, color reproduction and noise. So I asked how do you think they managed it if the sensor is the same? I don't see any horror in low light conditions either BTW. Something is much better in every area to last year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
Galaxy camera has just marginally bigger 1/2.3" sensor and it is much thicker than this phone. If you increase sensor size, you will have to keep the lens farther away and that will give you a big bulge (just like nokia pureview 808).

here pics are better because of the lens. Samsung have obviously put a very good lens here (its much brighter at f2.2 as well). It will take in about 30-40% more light than the lens of the S3.

You can see in the pics of the two phones above the S4 lens is much bigger.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Speaking of the Galaxy Camera, interesting how that one produces worse pictures than the SIV, again just looking at pixel sharpness and other things. Not bad or anything, but results have noticeably less detail at 16MP than the SIV at 13MP, which is why I suspect the sensor is a newer (maybe bigger) in the SIV, could be the Exmor RS version2.

http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/c/bl...hone-5-nexus-4-tests/galaxy-camera-bridge.jpg

http://www.magezinepublishing.com/e...msung-galaxy-camera-wide-angle_1355149197.jpg

http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/126779-image/Samsung-Galaxy-Camera.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
In a comparison against a N2 using last year's 8MP sensor the One only performed better in a couple of low-light shots and when HDR was used. All the SGS4's we've seen pics from are using pre-production s/w so no one should draw any final conclusions. Provided that noise is well controlled, and with what's been mentioned about tne improved 13MP sensor in the SGS4, it should perform well. Until we see standardized tests from GSMArena and Anandtech everything we're discussing is pretty subjective.

These are the pics the One did no better than the N2 in...

The One performed better in these...
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Galaxy Camera 16MP vs. Galaxy SIV 13MP 100% crops. Notice the noise and reduction blurriness, also the oversaturation on the Camera part compared to the SIV. The most telling (of any camera unit ever) is leaves or benches that with bad sensors / heavy post-processing / high JPEG compression result in a mess, good sensors produce sharp details. I tell ya the S4 is the best camera I've seen on a phone the 808 not counting.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
What do you think of this one? I'll tell you what phone took it after you share your opinion. ;)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] :
You should have removed the EXIF data :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Damn. I've been outed. ;) It's from a Teg3 One X. I liked the phone (a lot) but the camera was its worst feature. The noise and artifcating, even under the best conditions, was awful. I bring it up because much was made (primarily by HTC) of the f/2 aperture and "ImageSense." So "UltraPixels," like ImageSense, will only be as good as its execution. I think a lot of people have sold themselves on the idea of "UltraPixels" based on marketing without really focusing on the end result.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipsuvedi:
Ultra pixels in htc one is more gimmic than megapixe gimmic ...4UP is equal to 8 mp in in clarity...

For example lumia 920 and pureview has more detailed and low light clear pics than htc one...
[Galaxy S 4 General] tehdef:
Uh, bro. As a non professional photographer, like... it's safe to say that 85%+ of your pictures will be in less than ideal light. The average consumer doesn't care about lightning conditions. They care about taking the picture in the moment, and hoping they are disappointed when they look back. The One performs this better because it pulls in a ton more light, which is truly extremely important to people.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
Let them have it...HTC brings out the Apple side of every android user.Now because a device looks nice, we have to buy it. Calling Samsung features a gimmick yet ultra pixel is not? All tests proved that in daylight the one takes **** photos compared to new and older phones. I got so hammered by "look its a beautiful design, best aluminium body of the century" via the likes of Engadget and other blogs, that i started thinking about getting the One. Then i realised that im not using the back of the phone. I don't need it to be sexy,i need my phone to be sexy on the inside.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Gadget buzz goes two ways. One product gets the most buzz before putting your hands on it (looks, benchmarks, catchy tech names) then slowly the issues creep in (underwhelming UP results in mid-to-good light conditions, average battery life, bad repairability, delays, slow SW updates, BlinkFeed practically useless) and the other that BUILDS UP buzz as you get over the "ugly plastic of the Galaxy S3S" and realize how loaded and well rounded it is, see camera samples, large removable battery with energy friendly screen, light in the hand, open for microSD, full of sensors, latest Android out of the box, quicker updates etc. Just see where the One buzz is now compared to unveiling and how steadily buzz rises for the plastic thing. Of course the irony is that One users will put their precious artwork into an ugly cover anyway, so what advantage it is left with?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
But sadly, doesn't manage it well. Bright pics seem to be underexposed while some low light pics seem overexposed. Personally, over/under exposure would be harder to live with than noise because at the resolution I use the majority of the time noise would be less apparent. Regardless, the fact that everyone who see the pics from the One aren't equally wowed by them means it's probably not the home run that HTC intended. And with some recent postings of news clips it appears HTC's loss of "tier one supplier" status is affecting their ability to source components. "UltraPixels" may have been lemonade due to the inability to get 13MP sensors or it could be that HTC's 4MP solution was a cost saving move to help thier margins. There are tons more suppliers who can source 4MP sensors than their are 13MP and even Sony was having yield issues with the latter last year. So the ideaology behind "UltraPixels' is spiffy while the net result seems pretty neutral so far. And the loss of detail isn't neutral, it's 1/2 compared to last year's 8MP sensors and 2/3 compared to this year's 13MP sensors. When GSMArena and Anandtech perform their standardized tests in controlled settings we'll know for sure how strong the One's camera is.

Versus Xperia Z

Versus Note II

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A bit off topic but this proves your point. This is HTC's stock performance last year. The red arrow is the announcment of the One-series and the blue arrow is 90 days later and after the SGS3 was available for purchase. Since devices are on the market from nine months to a year it's a marathon, not a sprint.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mithrandir007:
I must be one of those people who actually doesn't hope I will be disappointed when I look back at the pictures I took, so I guess the One is out of the question :D

Joke aside, I thought the UltraPixels were just a marketing ploy, but I must say some of the pictures look a lot better than I thought they would at that resolution.

But still, except for low light pictures, I don't think they look as good as most current phone cameras.

I'm also used to crop some of my pictures before I print them, so I get only the part of the picture I'm interested in, and with the One, this would be a real problem.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Speaking of UltraPixels, the number of sensors that pass the quality tests off the factory line (one out of five) is extremely troublesome. In all likeliness you'll get a unit that just barely made through quality control, which means the theoretical advantage of UltraPixels, if there's any, is compromised.

If the carefully chosen review devices cause color noise, white balance and exposure issues as we can see, what about the units average Joe or Jane gets? It's a massive gamble on your part, cause what if you're unsatisfied with camera performance, how long will it take to get a replace and what guarantee of improvement they can give?

In comparison if Samsung is indeed relying on good old sensor technology that with a larger lens produces such good results, you bet that good old technology faces a lot less manufacturing troubles.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's not a fail. In certain situations it does perform better. At least compared to last year's 8MP sensor in the N2. It'll come down to whether or not the strengths reflect the majority of how people use smartphone cameras.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
To me there's just too many comparisons of photos that I just don't use my phone for. I want to see comparisons of moving children and pets in average to poor indoor light, people on a night out, at a restaurant etc etc.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I sort of touch that end of the business and that's a horrifying number. During pre-production and ramp-up anything worse than a 25% fail rate is considered abysmal (and extremely expensive). A 1:5 success rate is going to be hard to dig out of quickly. Does anyone know who's manufacturing the sensor for HTC?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I noticed that the GS4 image size is 5.13MB, whereas the XZ size for same image is around half - 2.81MB.

GS4 Sample Image from GSMArena
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yeah, I noticed that too. The Z uses very high compression and with the lower level of details the file is much smaller. Actually GSM Arena's test unit uses higher compression than the New York and China ones that go all the way up to 7MBs, they look slightly sharper and less saturated, otherwise it's what we've seen so far.

Interestingly the XPeria Z lens refocuses often while the SIV stays rock solid, both phones shake a little due to the wind, but the Z takes it much worse

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[Galaxy S 4 General] :
The focus on GS4 was good. Better than XZ.

I wonder if the final version will have photo sizes around 7MB range. That would be so good in terms of detail.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I sure hope. Compression is a mean bastard and I don't wanna hear how 3MBs is better for upload size, change to 5MPs and there you have it. Let's not pressure Sammy into more compression than our eyes can handle.
[Galaxy S 4 General] godofwar424:
Sorry but all The Verge does is bumlick Apple pathetically. Anybody saying the iPhone5 or any iPhone has better low light shots then the Lumia 920 is just plain old fanboying it..
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Ah, the options expandable storage provides. Both to us and the manufacturers.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RCJ89:
The s4 is really a great phone, those images are excellent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
A little branchmark test heh, look at the tree details on the SIV and the XZ, 100% crop. The Z also over-saturates results, see yellowish tarmac and occasional purple at small details.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's pretty impressive and shows the role s/w tuning can play because most likely the XZ and SGS4 are using the same Exmor RS sensor.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
This is exactly what I was thinking now.

Now, I believe that Exmor RS sensor comes as a full camera package and also as a standalone sensor. Now Sony using f2.4, and Samsung using f2.2 lens. So, we can say that the full camera module is not same, just the sensor. Though these compression, white balance and tint issues in XZ should be more software related rather than the sensor.

EDIT:
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
What if its runnung Samsung sensor :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Possible. And I would say that it would have both Sony and Samsung sensor.

It happened with GS2 as well as GS3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] stretched:
Where do you guys find all this stuff?
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
for real GS4 sensor seems bigger than GS3 and XZ

XZ

or at least the lense is bigger
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
GSMArena preview
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
I am seriously impressed with the photos.. and the video quality too.. my s3 has a sony sensor.. Well half of the s3s had sony sensors I guess.. but there wasnt much difference between the two as much as I have known in the s3 times..

Though people considered sony sensors to do better than the samsung sensors in their S3 's... but I think both were same and were tweaked about the same extent and showed not much difference at all.. This easily shows how well samsung tweaks their camera software wise.. and I expect their final camera to do much better..

.....
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
It's entirely possible that the SIV uses the IU135F3-Z (Exmor RS), same module on the Oppo Find 5 which is also f2.2 and it's an excellent cam.

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nexusae0_IMG20130220134605556.jpg

http://www.mxphone.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/OPPO003.jpg

http://www.mxphone.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/OPPO011.jpg

What is interesting is that the Xperia Z might not use the IU135F3-Z, just the IMX135 sensor and a different (f2.4) lens, maybe for the IP57 certification... somehow it ends up being worst to Oppo and Samsung, and significantly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'd say it's unlikely. Because of this...

InToMobile - Even before the new Galaxy Note II was officially unveiled, we’ve heard a number of rumors that such a device is in development. At that time, the Interwebs were talking about improved camera, saying that the new model will rock a 13-megapixel sensor. Now we’re hearing that those rumors were partly true as Samsung did want to include it in the Note II. The problem, however, is that Sony couldn't supply its Korean partner with enough units so Sammy opted for the “old” 8-megapixel sensor, instead.​
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
LOL i don't think that's real at all :rolleyes:

even though the 8MP camera on the GS3 or Note2 far better than most android devices ( even better than the 13MP on the Xperia T ) ;)

FYI more than half GS3's + Note2 have Samsung Sensor and its little better than Sony Sensor :D

so i hope the GS4 using and improved Samsung sensor ( no need for any Sony crap )

edit : maybe thats it :P

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...t/cmos-imaging/detail?productId=7718&iaId=828
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
If Samsung could build 8MP sensors in house, with the markup going to an internal division rather than a competitor, why do you think they sourced sensors from Sony at all? They most likely couldn't build the millions of sensors they needed themselves. Sony launched the first 13MP sensor last year and, in spite of their experience and position in the industry, had yield problems. So if an industry leader was having trouble with 13MP sensor production, and Samsung couldn't even build enough 8MP sensors for themselves last year, I'd say it's likely that some or all of the SGS4's camera sensors will be sourced from Sony. And if Samsung's fine with using a competitor's SoC (Qualcomm) in their "flagships" when necessary, I'd assume who makes the camera sensor inside it isn't keeping anyone awake at night. But me saying it could happen isn’t based on anything more factual then you saying it couldn’t. We’ll know soon enough. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
BTW there is one major misconception about the HTC One's ability to produce better low-light pictures: while it captures more dark details in the same environment due to the wider aperture, all dark shots have 1/7s, 1/15s or 1/20s shutter speed just like any other phone camera, which means it's the exact same struggle to hold the phone steady for that relatively long time without shake to actually produce a tolerable result. And multiple tech sites pointed out that they needed several shots in low-light to get one sharp result which defeats the purpose of the One's UltraPixels, because capturing a single moment won't be easier. So in the end, the One will produce a little bit brighter blurry mess upon a quick moment you only have one shot to capture, and in every other area the One comes up short compared to the Galaxy SIV.

Sorry, but I'm not ready to make that compromise.
[Galaxy S 4 General] azdine57:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3deRXACjvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The One slightly overexposes results and a little slow to readjust to quick changes, otherwise both look good from what you can get out of resized video. The iPhone 5, an outstanding all-around camera performer has some focus and exposure inconsistencies, and it also overexposes just a tiny bit for my liking, but it's also very good. What I'm most impressed with is the rock solid focus and exposure of the Galaxy, never mind a shake or a glimpse at the bright sky, it stays on street level.

[YOUTUBE]nS6w506HCbE[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
GS4 vs HTC One

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I'm just curious... Is there lossless zoom on these high-end devices? Considering the camera is 13MP, theoretically you could apply 5x zoom (crop) and still have more than 2mil pixels for fullHD recording. But does this work?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Even if the shutter speed is the same, the One has optical image stabilization so it IS easier to get a steadier shot with the One than with other phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] iampun33t:
Galaxy S4 vs HTC One vs iPhone 5 Video Quality Comparison

SGS4 vs HTC1

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SGS4 vs IP5

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Read Full Thing Here
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Theoretically yes, but then again, reviewers claim it's hard to do low-light shots with it like with any other phone camera, there's so much OIS can do in such a small camera unit. The very simultaneous GS4/One recording just posted doesn't show notable advantage on OIS front so there are the claims and then there's real life abilities.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The One seems to have a hard time adjusting to rapid changes in brightness. The SGS4 seemed pretty comperable to the iP5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Do u Seriously Believe some random russians have the sgs4 .. they dont even show the devíce.. lol. nice fake vid
[Galaxy S 4 General] LegendM:
Ynt: Samsung Galaxy S4 vs HTC One - 13MP & Ultrapixel comparison

For me I'll buy htc one because

Samsung products (except s2) are crackable

I mean if you drop from 10 cm your screen will be cracked and it cost 300£ (in Turkey)

HTC one is much powerfull and had amazing desing for me

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
[YOUTUBE]mA0r7tc6V5s[/YOUTUBE]

You know you wouldn't look silly if you took the 3 seconds to check the uploader and find that it's Mobile-Review.com, and they are testing the device in Russia.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I *do* seriously believe that the video isn't from a random russian.

Search for "eldar murtazin".

You will have your answer.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
I did use L920 which has better OIS, and it's very very annoying when taking picture with moving objectb which is the case I often see the most.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Why is that?
[Galaxy S 4 General] persheshhater:
einstein was right, you are living proof;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] bitwiser:
Just because the HTC One has an aluminum body does not mean it won't crack...in fact plastic can absorb the fall better than aluminum. Also, the S4 has Gorilla Glass 3...check out the videos on that...amazingly tough compared to GG2 which the GS3 and HTC One both have. I'd wait to see drop tests before making these conclusions. The S2 was a very durable phone...
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I liked how GS4 keeps the focus continuously in the video. Very important parameter in videos. Hate when videos suck due to focus-hunting.

I would love if they reduce the saturation a notch.

Less over-exposure compared to both One and iPhone 5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] persheshhater:
which one has better lens the s4 or the htc one?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
No idea.

We still have very little information on specific lens used. I can say that One has a slightly wider lens. 28mm equivalent vs 31mm in GS4.

It would be tough to determine lens quality as we can't test the lenses with same body/sensor.

And every lens will always have some compromises. People are still fighting for years regarding Nikkor vs Canon lens. I don't expect the lens debate to stop anytime soon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tx.takenori:
beautiful

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[Galaxy S 4 General] persheshhater:
yes but lens are more important than megapixels so that would be helpful to know
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
Here are the stats:

HTC One: Brighter/faster f2.0 optics. 28mm equivalent focal length

Galaxy S4: f2.2 (slower than HTC One). 31.5mm equivalent focal length (so slightly narrower than HTC One)

Theoretically (and purely theoretically) HTC One lens is better as it is faster.