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[Galaxy S 4 General] reNeglect:
Such a hard choice this year, Last year I've decided to try to One X. Loved it but in the end I ended up with the GS3, This year HTC delivered aluminium unibody + android = win. But then Samsung comes around and throws us a similar product with upgrades that I want. A smaller bezel more screen real estate, PowerVR GPU, Bigger battery. The HTC One is nice, but theres just little things i don't like about it, the bezel, HTC logo placement, Button placement I mean you could've made a more edge to edge screen and added on screen buttons, now that would be nice. Not to mention, I love running stock AOSP, so those extra features HTC and Samsung try to market, don't really matter to me.

Idk if many of you guys saw the GS3 HunterF metal case, but that case has pretty rendered the build quality controversy to nothing. It adds minimal Bulk, while adding that premium feel. If this case cause release for the GS4, I would be sold, and since its a case I really would mind it getting scratch and damaged. Sure my reception has gotten weaker with it, but its really not a problem for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The One, at least to me, did better in these. But that's kind of the challenge. HTC went their own way but the result doesn't appear that dramatically better (we still need standardized tests) in the majority of shots. And the shots are against last year's Sony 8MP sensor. Also, GSMArena made a point of keeping the One in its 16:9 standard against the 4:3 used by the XZ when they did their comparison. I don't know if that could have made a difference. Keep this in mind, HTC's choice of "UltraPixels" may not have been voluntary. With the quantities Samsung commits to there might not have been enough to go around. Low production yields were why the N2 had a 8MP vs. 13MP camera last year and LG and Samsung who sell more devices might have dried up the supply.

"According to Unwired View, it appears that though Samsung could not obtain quantities of the 13-megapixel sensor, rival smartphone-maker LG was able to negotiate a deal with Sony to secure the camera sensor on the LG Optimus G flagship, which is due to arrive later this month."​
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
You know what I hate the most? Multiple sources for components

This results in variance in screens on the same device, worse, the desire HD had different camera sensors and one of them, the one used in my camera guide had a surprisingly excellent quality

since we are seeing variance in camera image quality between reviews on the One (quality and not low light ability), varying from stunning to normal, I wonder if they have multiple sensors again...especially since we know camera yields are low

I know it might be unavoidable but its something worth keeping in mind

I have compiled the best ultrapixel samples in this post if you are interested
[Galaxy S 4 General] iampun33t:
For all who are waiting for the HTC One. HTC will be launching the One in four markets namely, UK, US, Taiwan and Germany, this week itself, with a limited release. Then slowly to the other markets.

According to the sources, HTC doesnt want to make the same mistake of OneX again with the One. They are also having many problems due to component shortages.

So people in other markets will have to wait for quite sometime before they are able to get their hands on the One.

Read More Here
[Galaxy S 4 General] Arsaw:
That's bad news for my brother. He is looking forward to buy this phone..... :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] hamdir:
Focus Taiwan: HTC One pre-orders exceed target

HTC HTC One sales record success continued to accelerate expansion

;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
of course not, i prefer the One, which is why i bought it - but thats just my opinion

i would prefer to have the micro SD card slot of the GS4 on the one, not sure if i would use it but it would be nice to have nonetheless.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Samsung Galaxy S4 demand 40% higher than Galaxy S III's in UK

Samsung Galaxy S4 pre-registrations blow S3 out of the water

:laugh::good::highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
If the S4 isn't the biggest selling phone of 2013, then Samsung will have seriously messed up. All they have to do is a slightly updated version of the previous phone and they're on to a winner.

Only a major flaw in the phone could stop this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tbong777:
The One is the swan song for HTC VERY important device for their continued success lest they end up on Nokia's path....No one wants that to happen. Competition is good. They HAVE to innovate to capture market share. That is good for everyone. When Apple was the only game in town , they dribbled out features to their minions that were likely ready for market. Now even Apple is playing catch up and living like Harley Davidson on "heritage and tradition" and people being stuck financially in the Apple ecosystem.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
How many millions?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Omar56:
Can't understand why people say galaxy s4 GPU is better than the hc One...i mean the gs4 have a PowerVR SGX 544 instead the htc One have an adreno 320 and this one is better and newest than the PowerVR SGX 544.Am i wrong? in this page the results says adreno 320 is better http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?base=gpu so i'd like to understand from guys who are better than me in this field why the gs4 GPU is better? since i can buy just one of them i'd like to choose the right and best one :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Uhm. OK? The article you linked seems awfully strange since it's only twelve days after the article below from ZDNet Asia which was based on HTC releasing their February results. And HTC would have revised guidance up if they had any good news to share because it would help their stock. I fully expect the initial enthusiasm of the One’s launch to help HTC. The One-series launch last year did. But it quickly dissipated after the SGS3 hit the market. The red arrow was the One-series announcement. The blue arrow is 90 days later and after the SGS3 was available. Even dead cats bounce. ;)

HTC revenues plunge by half, hitting three-year low

Summary: The company has high hopes for HTC One, while its February revenues slid by 44 percent compared to last year.

By Liam Tung | March 6, 2013

HTC's monthly sales plunged in February, hitting their lowest levels since February 2010.

The Taiwanese handset maker's revenues for last month were NT$11.3bn ($383m), down 44 per cent on the NT$20.3bn it posted in February 2012.

It's a similar picture to the company's recent fourth quarter results: HTC's revenues for the period were NT$60 billion, down from NT$101bn the year before. HTC warned last month that revenues for the first quarter of this year could be lower still, at NT$$50bn.

The company enters 2013 with hopes pinned on its new flagship device, the latest HTC One model, which has been met with positive reviews, including winning "best new handset" at last week's Mobile World Congress awards.

That smartphone, which is yet to ship, may offer some hope for the company, but reviewers similarly praised earlier models of the HTC One, released last year. The HTC One family appeared to have little impact on revenues for 2012, with HTC consistently posting year on year monthly revenue declines, between 16 and 60 percent.

Or, if individual sensors are performing differently from one another they could be having trouble meeting tolerances. If there are yield issues as reported that's not too far-fetched.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
That sgx544 is a single core gpu

But exynos will use sgx544mp3(3cores) .

If gpu is really clocked at 533mhz and throttling does not take place then I think PowerVR gpu will have some upper hand .

I suggest you wait for a good review from anandtech,etc.Until then everyone is speculating.

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Everything stock
[Galaxy S 4 General] Livebyte:
PowerVR SGX544MP3 will definitely be significantly faster than Adreno 320.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
It's sad, I like HTC phones, I just don't like HTC fanatics coming here and flooding the forum with false information.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
How you know that ,you been to future?

You know exact clocks and have the knowledge if it will throttle or not right? Nope.

I stand with my statement.

sent fromXperia sT21i

Everything stock
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's one area we can say for sure it will be a great GPU. Application developer support. Since it's in a gazillion iDevices you can pretty much bet some of the compatibility issues that exist with GeForce, Adreno, and Mali won't apply to PowerVR. I'd also guess it will make porting games from iOS to Android easier for application developer's too. Since it's pretty safe to assume it's costing Samsung more than sticking with Mali 604 there has to be some method to their madness.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Livebyte:
Don't assume HTC fans come here to feed false information.

So what? My sig has one BIG GIANT HTC ONE, so you immediately assume I feed false information?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Raymond111full:
I have a S2 with a custom Rom' my phone look like the s3 (touch wiz, feature and everything) it is worth upgrading to the S4??? Our should I wait for the NOTE 3 or S5???
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's not really false and Hamdir just posted what he found. I'm just questioning the credibility of the source. Hamdir and I go way back from the One X forum and 9 out of 10 times landed on the same side; even when it reflected negatively on HTC. I wouldn't call him a "fanatic;" just an HTC enthusiast. A lot of people feel about Samsung the way Android folks feel about Apple and they need a hero. So I don't begrudge them their glimmers of hope where they can find it. ;)

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I've seen some of your recent posts here and on the One forum. You're objectivity's been impressive.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
K..here it goes..

You hate the plastic.. you troll around saying you find touchwiz ugly.. you hate the specs..you fund the battery that it gives useless.. you trollaround saying samsung wont get cm all around the forum .. you hate the software and the hardware.. why are you even posting crap when you know you dont even care for the device??.

There are htc fans here... so??. but they post here because they atleast find something interesting.. atleast they arent trolling around like you posting around saying everythings crap.. try trolling harder maybe

We arent dumb to realize that you arent trolling on every samsung thread..

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
Hey barry, you should correct the SVl tittle to SlV or S4in your post.. And here is a youtube video summing what samsung did and focused on the S4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXhG82HRX0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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[Galaxy S 4 General] :
^^ Good analysis Barry.

BTW, you mentioned S VI (instead of S IV)
[Galaxy S 4 General] pdubcramp:
This is pretty hard to believe:

"The company has a problem managing its component suppliers as it has changed its order forecasts drastically and frequently following last year's unexpected slump in shipments," said an HTC executive. "HTC has had difficulty in securing adequate camera components as it is no longer a tier-one customer."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323415304578369403991284398.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] Omar56:
thanks for the answer.then i'm going to wait since, like i said in my previous post, i'd like to make the best choice ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Livebyte:
Yes, I hate the plastic like many. In that case my country, a SGD$1000 device made of cheap plastic is unacceptable (a clear opinion from me)

Yes, TouchWiz is ugly. I'm a UX Designer so? (a very clear opinion from me)

I hate the specs? Really? Where did I say that?

It's definitely superior to the One.

What's up with the battery of the S 4?

I didn't even mention it even.

Yes, Samsung GALAXY S 4 won't get CM. It's a clear warning to anyone who is expecting a thriving development community.

So expressing my valid opinions is trolling?

EDIT: Having two accounts is a bad idea to overpower someone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's never good. And it affects the cost of components they purchase from third parties which is 100% of what they use since they don't have any manufacturing capabilities. And that affects their margins. If their trajectory turns around on the back of the One they'll live to fight another day. If 90 days after it goes on sale it behaves like the One-series did last year HTC's going to have to be bailed out by the TW government and those discussions are already taking place. Their CEO should have been removed 18 months ago. I've never seen a CEO survive the decimation of shareholder value that HTC's experienced over the past two years.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
Dont try to cover up the trolling you do.. it just wont be mature of me if I post here all your previous posts on htc one and the s4 forums where you really try hard to troll and bash something.. like I said troll harder.. I am gonna just stop feeding you from now on.. if trolling is your kind of fun, then continue...

Peace

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[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Leave it guys.. Not worth fighting in the forums after all the mess we deal in life.

It's been good discussion so far, let's not degrade the quality :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipsuvedi:
Sgs4 wins in every area except for Dual speakers ....One has lil bit more density but which is not viuanle by human eyes...in latest benchmark test Htc one was far behind...and s4 was the clearest winner
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Some good news for HTC fans...

"TAIWANESE PHONE MAKER HTC's CEO Peter Chou has said he will quit his job if the firm's flagship One smartphone is not a success. That's according to the Wall Street Journal, which has heard from people familar with the situation that Chou has bet his job on the success of the company's latest flagship smartphone. Chou reportedly told senior executives at the firm that he will hand in his resignation if HTC One sales don't materialise.

Things aren't looking great for Chou so far, as HTC has already delayed the rollout of the smartphone until the end of March. Until now we didn't know the reasoning behind the setback, with speculation suggesting that it could be down to the HTC One's Ultrapixel camera technology or its aluminium clad casing."​

So either the One will save HTC or they'll finally get someone new in to run the company that's capable of turning it around. This might be a great time to buy HTC stock because it's so low. Either of those two things will cause it to rise substantially.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
That is right on the money. This is the way apple and samsung is thinking, they are selling the features to the users. Samsung didn't spend anytime on what kind of processor was running on the S IV either, instead they said what the S IV was capable of doing, whether it uses the S600 or the exynos 5 octa.

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Yep, that guy should have resigned ages ago. I blame him a lot for HTC's recent struggle.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
This had been a terrific thread, and very informative. I am using a moto photon on sprint, and plan to treat myself to a new phone this summer. The htc one and the s4 are the leading contenders.

I dialect that the two factors that will matter most to me (and that will be different) will be how long the battery lasts and how good the radios are when signal strength is weak. But I also find myself drawn to the htc's sexy good looks. I will not be using a case (these phones are both larger than I would like naked, and cases make everything larger and uglier) and I spend a lot of time looking at and holding my phone. Any phone I buy will soon have out-of-date features, but the look and feel will continue top affect me every day.

I don't think the samsung is ugly--it looks fine. Like a phone. But every time I look at the htc I think, "that looks nice", and maybe that would make me happy every day.

But, if I can't pick up a data signal, it will just frustrate me. so that (and battery life) is critical.

I'm really happy that both of these phones have ir. I have way too many remotes, and I will absolutely get value out if just using my phone, and not fishing for the remote. I may even replace the wii u with the old roku box to facilitate that.

I guess other stuff that I will care about are clean integration between apps (probably an os thing, not different) and good/fine grained notifications.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fir3blade:
LMAO, 9 votes for design:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
LMAO i just noticed that hahahhahaha.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
If Octa/PowerVR performs as well as it should based on what's been seen on paper Samsung's going to have a real positioning issue. Last year the S3 and Exynos SGS3's were pretty comperable. If S-600/Adreno underperforms Octa it's going to be tough playing it up in certain markets while the "good stuff" is only available elsewhere. I think the lack of detail we're seen about the SoC's in the SGS4 may be tied to that struggle.

Let's be honest. The majority of people don't buy "Galaxy's" for their looks; they buy them in spite of them. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yeah it could be. I know i'll be satisfied with either versions, i'm not into gaming on my mobile phone so adreno 320 would be fine for me. But i'm going for the exynos 5 octa :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Barondebxl and I just had that conversation. Like with anything new, the first couple of weeks/months you're excited about it. But after a while a phone you were so excited about just ends up as "your phone" and becomes somewhat invisible. LG's introducing a lot of devices this year, the Moto X Phone's due, and rumors are circulating about a Nexus-to-end-all-Nexus' being built by LG. The sheer scale of the Galaxy-franchise will keep the SGS4 relevant. Perhaps not so much the One if S-800 devices are introduced by others as rumored. After three months on the market the SGS4 and One will just be great devices and the pre-launch euphoria will be replaced by "WTF?" posts about what they both are doing or shouldn't be. In other words, don't be seduced by things that may be less significant down the road after your "new" phone's not so new anymore. ;) Unless you’re like barondebxl who will likely have every phone I mentioned think of buying a phone as a marriage not a date. The criteria are very different. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
I dunno, I still enjoy the feel of the glass touch pad on my mac book pro. I've had that for a couple of years. :shrug:
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
Thats just it, none of us are limited to just one device why just choose only one when there are so many great phones coming out over the next 6 mos? Lots of new tech to play with,its going to be a fun year.to.say the least!
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
LOL hahahah true indeed. I love them all!

But yeah, the user experience is what makes a phone have a certain longevity. The S3 for example, is going to have many features from the S IV. Because of that ( and also because it has a good spec sheet) it will stay competitive in the market for at least another year if not longer. Software is where it's at. Of course hardware design is great and adds to the experience but i would choose software over design anyday .
[Galaxy S 4 General] Puzzlegal:
lol, one is quite enough money for me to spend. Hubby isn't thrilled that I want to buy a new toy as it is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
Dont tell him ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Well apparently the HTC One is suffering from its build quality, speakers falling off, not glued properly.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6194542/Foto 19.03.13 20 52 12.jpg
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The press shot of the One's shell HTC released is kind of bogus. It's not the "unibody" of the One, it's all the pieces of the shell glued together posing for the camera. I really do hope for HTC's sake these are just one-off assembly issues which can happen to anyone. Remember the hundreds of thousands of marble blue back covers Samsung had to throw away at the SGS3's launch?

P.S. - The speaker's are kind of bogus too. "Big grate" doesn't appear to equal "big speaker." Both together don't look any larger than what's on the SGS4.

This.

And this.

Don't equal this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
I actually saw one of the consumer phones with dust and horrible gap on the top.. it was one of those sold before 14 th.. and now there are a lot more phones with gaps and stuffs not attched togther properly... there was a piece where one guy had to press the top for the gaps to close.. so much for unibody built quality.. its a shame..

Check this thread..almost everyone seems to have gaps or problems witg build..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2197732

This is why htc always impresses before launch but further down the road, it gets dented, dusts, color tapers off, etc.. my sensation had dusts all under it.. every htc I owned had had some sort of built issues inspite of them saying it has built quality.. hope htc doesnt screw up again..

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Everyone *****ed at Samsung for the evolution of the SGS4's design and applauded HTC for the radical change from the One X. Samsung's going to have to try really hard to screw up the build (not that they can't ;) ) of the SGS4 because if you look at the shots of its internals it very much follows the N2. And there weren't a lot of issues when the N2 launched because it evolved from the SGS3. There's something to be said for evolution over revolution even though the latter's more exciting.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
This is not looking good for HTC. I hope it's just early production issues, not something faulty in terms of manufacturing.

All these devices are made with almost zero tolerance. So a simple mistake can lead to adverse results. All perils of a cut-throat competition.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
One of the things that pissed Teg3 One X owners off last year was that none of the devices reviewed by the media suffered any of the numerous, and I do mean numerous, QC issues that consumer purchased units did. Also, the displays on the One X were sourced from two vendors and one had a decidedly warm tint to it. None of the reviewers received any of those. Things got better over time but people had to go through up to five exchanges early-on trying to get a defect free One X. Not only does it ding HTC's image if that happens, but the expense of that level of exchanges is pretty steep. Especially when component constraints seem to be limiting the number of units available. Exchanges outrank new sales as resellers receive new stock so it could (further) hinder sales.
[Galaxy S 4 General] voltron2k11:
The battery in the S4 is bigger yes, but so is the screen (0.29 inches or 4.99 vs 4.7) and the CPU uses more power too!

Resolution is "the same" .. BUT because the One is smaller, it has better PPI/DPI and looks even sharper .. + S4 has pentile (worst technology ever).

So both of your reasons are actually more +'s for the One, not the S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] SlimJ87D:
This is an advantage of improving a manufacturing process you are familiar with than always drastically changing to a brand new design.

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You don't know battery life till you actually see benchmark comparison so I'd rather wait on GSMARENA's battery life score. You don't know if the SGS4 runs at 1.9 GHZ all the time.

But the HTC One doesn't have a removable battery so there's nothing that compensates for that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chillz88:
You shouldnt have quoted all that for him.. expect hard working trolls lol.. no one with beats in his avatar can be trusted..:p

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a peace offering. ;)