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[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
AGAIN this is almost certainly to do with the auto white balance setting.

even on my camera the "standard" or "auto" white balance setting is invariably too warm, which is why i always select one manually.

i can tell you now for fact that changing the white balance mode from auto to incandescent or fluorescent (per the situation) would have given a much more true-to-life photo

maybe you will say that you shouldn't have to, but if you're as enthusiastic about phone photography as you appear to be then you should fully understand that and be willing to adjust those settings

in an effort to put this to bed - i have taken 4 identical photos on my phone - terrible quality pics but the only thing i have changed is the white balance setting:

incandescent

auto

fluorescent

daylight

as you can see there is a big difference - the only person who can tell you which one is the most accurate is me :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
When you point and shoot to capture a brief moment you will absolutely need automatic settings to be spot on, otherwise you might as well bring the DSLR along and set everything right. Manually correcting HTC's bad auto white balance doesn't excuse it from having bad auto white balance in the only area it's supposed to beat the Galaxy SIV, because when there's more light, it's no contest as you can see in the pictures I posted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
On that french site, different iso is used for different phones.

Also, ultra pixel has been proven to do well in lo lights and that's it. In day light it's competitors beat it.

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
man did you even read the review you keep referring to or just look at the pictures?

regarding the photo of the sauces on the table

it is interesting however that he says "to our eye the Lumia's result is the superior photo"

to my eye, the superior photo is the most accurate one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] qazibasit:
I hope samsung will win b6 a margin just like the note, note 2 and s3 camera when compaed to sensation and one x and even one x plus.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Too warm for my liking..
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
To quote Techradar
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
they are only referring to low light here though - and i dont think anyone here expects the s4 to be better than the One in that regard.

similarly im sure techradar would be the first to say the One camera is lacking in detail in comparison, no one with half a brain could deny that either.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Sure the One should beat the SIV in low light, but if Sammy comes close, the advantages in every other area will make it the better all-around performer, and so far samples are promising.

BTW considering the SIV's camera module is at least 1.5 times bigger than the SIII's, it may end up being similar to the One in size. It has to be much bigger cause so far the samples compared to what the predecessor can pull in various situation is night and day. Will keep the thread updated, and since it's a popular topic, mods could make this the official SIV photography thread.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
I'd agree with this. To me its a choice between good (good light) and good (bad light) vs good/excellent (good light) and bad (bad light). I'll prefer good+good combo. My pics anyway are gonna end up on FB/g+ etc and not printed in A3/posters. The extra mega pixels are useless for me.

i still believe Samsung should have stuck with 8MP sensor only. 13MP is way overkill for such tiny sensors. Even 8 MP is overkill.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Link where they say it has a "tiny sensor" because so far it's a claim you can't back up, neither bad low light performance which contradicts to the 20 pictures I shared, the noise amount on them especially bad color noise which is a result of too small pixels, I don't see any of that. It looks like a spectacular sensor considering the little noise I see on ANY sample, and noise tells you the real story. Like color noise on HTC One cloud pictures. Even at 4MP on a "large sensor".
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
In that case, why not a 2MP sensor? Most monitors are not more than 2MP (Full HD). You get even bigger pixel-pitch. That would mean hyper-ultrapixels.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joslicx:
Physically its the same size sensor in both phones. Its same size in phones like iphone5, GS3, Sony Xperia Z, Nokia 920, HTC OneX+ etc as well. So sensor is not large in the HTC One. Its the individual photosite on the sensor (or the pixel as it is commonly called) that is bigger and that helps with gathering more light. (you can read about that in any introductory photography lesson)

Its a 1/3.2" sensor in all these cameras. Nokia Pureview 808 had a much larger 1/1.2" sensor. That kind of explains why it is able to take better pics. of course, nokia also does lot of image processing but fundamentally the sensor is also much bigger.

For comparison, a full frame DSLR has a 35mm sensor. The professional Canon EOS 1D is only 10MP on a 35mm sensor!
[Galaxy S 4 General] megagodx:
It's known among a lot of people who benchmark the quality of the cameras that staying away from the LED Flash is preferable if necessary. For the lighting, you're flushing out image quality, as far as color accuracy are concerned, they ruin photos.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
I don't have either of the phones, so I won't comment on the exposure times. If the GS4 shutter speed is slow, one option would be to use a different app.

Another thought would be to try

panning

. I actually like panning shots with lesser shutter speed than faster shutter speed to capture the motion. Gives a more dramatic feeling. Give it a try and let us know how it works.
[Galaxy S 4 General] msavic6:
If I'm in a situation like a pitch black room and I need to take a picture, I am going to use the flash, sure the image may turn out worse but it will still be better then a completely black image.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
BusinessInsder: The Samsung Galaxy S4 Has The Best Smartphone Camera

http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-one-galaxy-s4-iphone-5-camera-test-2013-4
[Galaxy S 4 General] slind:
That may be THE worst "review" I've ever laid eyes upon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] skivnit:
Since when does bi have a reviewer? If it ain't apple it ain't good. They're just a bunch of kids trying to create as many pages of recent stories as possible, and use them as bait for clicks. That's all they do. Nothing more nothing less

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Car moving between 30 to 40mph. I pressed the shutter just before the front of the car and this is the result. Make your own judgment.
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
can u post the image Exif data :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Here's a pic from my One, I guess the truck was running at legal speed which is 50mph and the car I was in was at 100mph

The pic is in link so u can check the EXIF data..

Edit: here's the link

http://db.tt/ZYAhr8Of
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Additionally to sport mode which uses higher ISO value (like the HTC One), I think you can set ISO manually for fast shutter, at least on the Korean model.

ISO400 should provide a very quick snap when necessary, but based on what I've seen, both Snapdragon and Exynos 5 models hit 1/500 and even 1/3000 based on the scene, Samsung just prefers lower ISO for higher image clarity outside, which in certain situations is not perfect for fast motion - hence the camera tweaks. Just shoot some in sport mode and manual ISO, Camera Zoom FX may even provide shutter control.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jul84:
Looking at this quick summary of S4 vs HTC One, we see that unless we need a lot of details, the One is better suited for taking pictures "on the go".

For a mobile use, having better low light performance and quick shutter speed are far more important than having the ability to crop a lot.

Even though I took the S4, HTC probably made the best choice.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
There's no app out there can ever control shutter speeds ! We may just wish that the new Android 5.0 which is key lime pie support it ! And that's soo weak possibility !
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
now I think htc one is better camera then s4
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Let me know how. Pm me if its better.

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Yea. One is better. I have now had both phones and am sending my s4 back also as just not happy with camera. I cant see any improvement over s3. I will prob wait until a 64gb htc one is released in uk tyen maybe the dead pixels and gaps wilo be sorted?
[Galaxy S 4 General] yahyoh:
u can upload full size image somewhere or in windows from pic properties

like this :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
I ordered mine sim free UK version 32GB and no deadpixels or any build prob or anything thank God ! The build quality really amazed me ! Couldn't be happier with any other camera or screen or UI or desing even the battery life is superior and really amazing
[Galaxy S 4 General] aikwawa:
Is there a difference in the way the HTC One and s4 upload the photos onto Facebook? I see that the pictures uploaded from the HTC One appears much bigger in size than those uploaded by the s4.

Funny thing is, after i transfer the photos from my s4 onto my comp... and upload from there, the photo size increases to become as large as those uploaded from the HTC ONE :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
I believe that's just software ! Use any app from market that let u choose the size of the pic that u wanna share ! Just guessing though !
[Galaxy S 4 General] muayyadf1:
These pictures are actually enlarged to match the S4 picture size. Pictures should be cropped not zoomed in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
I couldn't understand why the FOV was the same on a lot of the shots, when clearly they aren't.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NGO5:
Played with both devices @ the store today. I wasn't floored by either one considering how much hype surrounds them. I'm coming from a Galaxy S3 and walked away with the HTC One for several reasons:

1) I'm a night owl and my Galaxy S3 absolutely sucked at night...which meant I missed out on some pretty awesome shots with gorgeous drunk women and friends this past year. I don't care if the HTC can't capture the texture of a tree from 3 miles away, I want to wake up in the morning and see myself face planting a drunk girls rack at dimly lit dive-bar from the night before....sue me.

2) The focal length of the HTC just looks...cool. It's more SLR-ish than the GS4 - not sure how to describe it...not a photography guy.

3) The wide-angle front facing camera is SWEET. Seriously, EVERY front-facing camera should be wide-angle.

4) The shutter speed is insanely fast and it focuses on objects almost instantly.

5) It takes the "best" shot more consistently than the GS4...with the HTC I only have to click once, maybe twice to get a great shot inside the sprint store. With the GS4, I'd take one picture and be like...eh, looks a little blurry. Then the next one would focus on the wrong thing...then the next one let in too dark. I'm sure once you get the best picture, it'll look better than the HTC but who has time for that.

6) I only post on Facebook/Instagram, so it fits my needs just fine. I've NEVER taken the pics off my GS3 or my Blackberry before that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lilvfr400boy:
Please look on the one general for one camera after latest update from htc, massive camera improvements after seeing the results I think it's clear how good the ones camera really is
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
My first night shot with S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yet another HTC One vs. GS4 (Snapdragon) comparison from yesterday

http://www.frandroid.com/test/138395_test-du-samsung-galaxy-s4-gt-i9505/4

As expected, in darkness with no night mode or flash used, the One wins as it captures more light and brightens up results via post-processing (same goes for the Lumia 920)

In low light conditions city at night however the One's over-exposure evident like in previous tests, details are off too

And during daylight the GS4 demonstrates the better dynamic range, with roughly similar brightness on the museum, the sky on the One shot burns out, same in normal vs. HDR mode

Zoom is a clear win for the GS4 cause of the 9MP advantage
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Great photos, and especially loving what the Galaxy S4 does for the zoom; Camera Zoom FX is sure to get some good use out of that. Shame about the lighting with night mode off/flash off, but, it's the sacrifice made for the quality gain everywhere else. I can not wait to try this out and play with all the camera modes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
Of course, none of these comparisons say how many shots were taken to get these images. With its faster shutter, the HTC will get decent results nine times out of ten. With GS4 you might have to take several pics to get a single satisfactory one unless you have amazingly steady hands!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Are you saying this by experience or you just assume? Because each good light shot on the S4 is above 1/100 where handshake is a non-issue, and on the Eiffel Tower shot the GS4 actually has the faster shutter (1/17 to the One's 1/15). The One has he the faster shutter on the Arc de Triomphe (1/20), yet the GS4 is sharper (1/17) because it got the focus better. Either it's a single shot or the best of multiple, the GS4 did the better job during the night, therefore I have my doubts that you are speaking from experience. Better yet, are you an HTC One owner?
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
I'm saying by my own personal experience. I currently own both, and don't consider myself to be a fanboy of either Samsung or HTC. I bought the GS4 first and had no intention of getting the HTC One, but decided to try the HTC One because of the GS4's locked bootloader. I will also be the first to admit (1) I'm not photography expert at all--in fact, I'm about as amateur as it gets, and (2) I do not have the steady hands of a brain surgeon.

My personal experience is that if I snap 10 indoor pics in moderate lighting with a GS4, 4-6 of them turn out pretty good. With the HTC One, 8-9 out of 10 will be pretty good. The BEST GS4 picture will often be better than the BEST HTC One picture, but the AVERAGE HTC One picture generally be better than the AVERAGE GS4 picture. To give just one sample, see the images below (first one is HTC One, second is GS4). With each phone I took 3 pictures. On the HTC One, all three pretty much looked identical to the one I've posted below. The differences were imperceptible. With the S4, I've posted the best of the 3--the other two were similar, but noticeably worse than the one I posted.

I actually do see now that they both had 1/15 shutter speeds, so maybe that's not the only factor at work here. But in my experience, in decent (but not well-lit) indoor lighting, I can consistently get usable shots with the HTC One, whereas with the GS4 I only get usable shots half the time or slightly more.

Both were taken on full auto mode. Yes, the GS4 pic would be better if Night mode were on, but then I'd need even steadier hands--especially when taking a picture of a dog!

Edit: And let me add, these samples are generally representative of my experience. Every now and then I'll take an indoor GS4 shot that blows me away with how great it is. And every now and then I'll take an indoor HTC One shot that is absolutely terrible. But on average, I get results similar to what I've posted below. Yeah, I agree the GS4 is better in excellent lighting (who wouldn't??). But in mediocre lighting, I think the average amateur, non-brain surgeon like me, will get more usable photos out of the HTC One. BTW, the HTC One is also taken using the old firmware -- I haven't gotten the update yet that supposedly improves image quality.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
I guess it's due to the shutter lag on the current S4 SW, you just need to be steady longer/later, in any case 1/15 should provide equally sharp images (I wouldn't mind having even slower shutters as I can hold 1/8 stready). My observation is still consistent through these comparisons, the One wins in darkness, in low lights with source like city at night, the GS4 wins due to more accurate exposure, white balance and level of details.

How long does a night mode shot takes from tap to finish?
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
I think a night mode shot on the GS4 is actually some sort of an HDR shot that takes two exposures and combines them, so I'm not 100% certain how long the actual exposures take. But after it takes the picture, it then "processes" it where a little "processing" meter bar pops up on the screen and takes a second or so. From tap to finish I'd say a full 1-2 seconds. On an HTC One, I could snap 3-4 pictures in the time it takes for 1 GS4 night mode picture. GS4 night mode pictures do come out quite nice though--if you have the steady hands, non-moving subject matter, and patience for them!
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yes it appears to be a compilation of multiple images.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Exactly, and some of those comparison shots look extremely suspect to me.

In some, the HTC One shots have the same FOV as the GS4. The only way that's possible is if the photos from the One are heavily cropped, giving the S4 a huge advantage.

In the arch pictures, it looks as if the photo from the One and the "reference pro image" (from a DSLR I assume) were taken by hand, and rather unsteadily, while the S4 appears to have been placed on a tripod. I'm sorry, but if an S4 shot came out better than a DSLR shot at night, the photographer didn't know what he was doing or was doing something devious.

I trust xda members who have their hands on both more than a lot of these review sites I never visit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The images are obviously put next to one another for comparison, the originals can be found clicking on the link. Overall the GS4 does better end-results if you count winners in each category, this is surprisingly and consistently true to night city images (the PhoneArena shootout is still the only one with DSLR reference), on the other hand the are minor version differences with the I9500 outperforming the I9505. I'd definitely choose the I9500, and look forward to test one when it's available.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
how did you check the exif data on these pics?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
You just copy the full-size image links here:

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?

The link to the article is here:

http://www.frandroid.com/test/138395_test-du-samsung-galaxy-s4-gt-i9505/4
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
Taken in very low light with S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Well that's good comparison but I still say that those are old pix and we all know that HTC one camera sucked before it gets updated ! My one takes a really good damn decent pix in low light and daylight especially after the latest update ! It changed the way the camera snaps each shot and return it to good damn ! I can't believe how some comparisons take some awful pix while I never got it !
[Galaxy S 4 General] sallam5010:
Some fast snaps while am walking and didn't even touch the screen to focus
[Galaxy S 4 General] hung2900:
The reviewer took a long exposer shot on the reference image (look at the trafic). I'm not sure what is the "reference" device here, Nokia 808???
[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
The "One on the latest update" argument is getting desperate. The one-day article I posted shows the same GS4 daytime and night city advantage that older comparison shots found, plus PocketNow calls the fresh update "sight refinement unnoticed by most". Credit where it's due, the One is faster to response, does more good shots out of 10 tries and is better in darkness. The GS4 wins in city low lights and everything above, and more consistently gets white balance, exposure and dynamic range right, plus has much more detail for printing and zooming. I look forward to the Sony Honami with a big 1/1.6" Exmor RS sensor [MENTION=4943416]20m[/MENTION]P, which will do even better than the I9500 (I suspect but cannot confirm that the I9505 features the Exmor R).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Basil3:
Yep, think I'm still drawing the same conclusion after reading endless posts on this thread.

SGS4 for scenery, non moving objects.

One for catching moments.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dondavis007:
I did some test at a local store today, I let my 4year run around and tried to snap some decent pics of him with a 'black' S4, imposible. I tried auto, 'moving mode' and iso. Just couldnt get an 'unblurred' pic of him. Sad, because in a day my white S4 will arrive...

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[Galaxy S 4 General] kilruna:
in my opinion the S4 is much sharper then the HTC One, but the colors of the Htc are better and more realistic.

(Look at the first picture on his soulder there you can see several fibers of his pullover. You can't see this on the HTC)
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
S4 Rich mode
[Galaxy S 4 General] dupel:
For long time considered g4 to have better camera. Finally am convinced that one has better - great for taking opportunity pics - that is what phone camera ia ALL about.

However, after looking at reviews of one - pretty much every 3rd party app runs with black bar with menu button. Fcuk that. Now not even considering one, despite all the advantages.
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
1) Root, 2) install mod that turn long press back button into menu button, 3) watch annoying black bar go away, 4) profit! ! !

Sent from my HTC One
[Galaxy S 4 General] gtg465x:
Pretty much every third party app? Uh... 2 out of about 50 apps on my phone show the black bar with a menu button. Only poorly coded apps have it. If you use a lot of apps that haven't been updated in years or are just poorly coded, maybe you'll see it more often.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Could you post link to mod please. Thanks.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BoneXDA:
Okay, looking through these I'm now pretty positive that the I9500 version has a superior camera module than the I9505, likely the Exmor RS (I9500) vs the Exmor R (I9505). The level of detail on these shots is just better than on Snapdragon variants, also less saturation and contrast.

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4865874/1/rv/samsung-i9500-galaxy-s4-32gb-review/
[Galaxy S 4 General] phositadc:
Search broseph, search:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2251788.

Sent from my HTC One
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipmanwck:
Bye bye S4......hello htc one... again. Lol...

Will post some pics tomorrow of when I took my kid to play centre running around and through tunnels etc. Htc did wonders ;) looking forward to getting it back again

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[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Has anyone confirmed what is the sensor/camera module on Qualcomm variant? I think Brian Klug mentioned IMX091PQ sensor in part 1 of the review which is Exmor R variant.

Chipwork says Sony IMX135 sensor inside I9500.

Note that I9500 uses Intel Baseband instead of a Qualcomm, same story for audio. So, it's possible that they might have different sensors too for Qualcomm and Exynos version.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jejb:
I took a bunch of action shots today while working with my 4 dogs out in the yard. I used the Sports mode and never had a single blurred photo even when they were going full out after their fetch dummys. Great pictures, IMO.

Low light pictures are a nice thing for a smartphone to be able to capture. But if I have to trade off my daytime picture quality to get it, I'm out. I take a TON more outdoor daylight pictures than anything else and that's where I want my smartphone to excel. And the S4 is very impressive there. If I need a lowlight picture, I'll either grab my real camera if possible or use the flash or night mode. I know we all have different priorities for where we want to make that trade off, but it's not even a contest in my case.
[Galaxy S 4 General] foxy4270:
First night video with my S4

https://vimeo.com/65262581