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[Galaxy S 4 General] blacmack:
Honestly, I'm a Samsung fanboy, to say the least. So I might be pretty biased here, but I like the S4 better.

I don't like HTC, because of my hate for the Beats brand. Personally, if they spent that much money on Beats branding, they deserve to fail. It may not make sense to you, but it's my opinion. All that aside, here's my reasons for the S4.

S4 Pros

Expandable Storage (Isn't that one of the reasons we love Android in general?)

Removable Battery (Also another reason to love Android in general.)

TouchWiz (It has some great features, and that weather widget is great.)

Dev Support

Ease Of Rooting For Noobs (Odin and Mobile Odin VS S-OFF.)

Physical Home Button (Capacitive and On Screen are too easy to set off. And it's a lot easier to use the home button to wake the phone.)

Camera Features (Eraser seems more useful than Zoe. Zoe just seems like a video, and I can already do that.)

Integration With Other Devices (S Beam, Share Shot, These may be features from the S3, but the S4 still retains that advantage over the One.)

Floating Touch (It's nice to have.)

HTC One Pros

Good Microphone (Sounds good here, except for that popping noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ROWQmEjJadQ)

Build Quality/Materials (Moot point, as I and 98% of the people buying smartphones will be buying a case anyways, so it really doesn't matter to me.)

Toss Up

Camera (Forgive me for thinking the Camera was bad after seeing the comparison with the iPhone 5 here: http://www.technobuffalo.com/videos/htc-one-camera-demo/)

Display (I'm not really gonna notice between AMOLED and SLCD unless they're side by side. And even then, I still don't know. The only difference I see in the Retina Display is smoother edges.)
[Galaxy S 4 General] cobraboy85:
there isn't an option for "everything"
[Galaxy S 4 General] Echelonex:
As you can all see from the pool...the most critisized thing about the new S4 is its old design and plastic materials they used...I dont mind plastic, but they could have design it to be more awesome like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5YPaBkhKZI
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaleonkells:
HTC one.. I never liked any Samsung phone.. The gs3 was cool but i hate touchwiz.. Nice laser text for s4 but HTC one got me..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shan89:
djbenny answered your question. But not entierly.

Ipod has much more space for sucha powerful GPU , while s4 DOESN'T , anyway ipod also uses more power from Power VR then S4 EVER will , simply it couldn't manage the heet nor battery could stand that power. Anyway i'm not gonna elaborate on this one but theres big difference between Ipod and s4 GPu's even tho they're the same.

Octa is inbetween ipod4 and iphone 5. , so you can call it better then iphone 5 but not better then ipod4.

The MAIN reason why games run on IOS better is cuz ios is being developed for many years and barely changing dramatically , i'm not talking about how many things get changed, it doesn't get bloated as our android nor changed so much with each major version.

Besides , apple has just a FEW devices with similar RESOLUTION , so it's quiet EASY For developers to optimise those games and make them run much better then on android will in near future. The main ISSUE with android is we have WEAK GPU's , which is thing what APPLE never had , apple always has better GPU's and always step ahead of android. Besides android has all kind of resolutions , imagine how hard it is for devs to optimise the game for each and every resolution + difference in devices.

Lastly pure example of optimisations:

E.G. Tegra 3 chip is more powerful then Mali 400 , yet games did run much better on mali 400 then tegra 3 , this is thx to optimisation , but recently tegra 3 got very much optimised by NVIDIA with new drivers and jelly bean , and now hox runs each and every game LAGFREE on max DETAILS , what i mean with MAX DETAILS , well when we download some game for example on s3 or t3 hox , we get 1300mhz details version which lacks alot of details just so it runs smooth , but now t3 or hox t3 is capable of running all those games on max resolution ( the ipod details )

Anyway this is not the place to discuss last year flagships, i just used those 2 for comparison about how much optimisation matters.

Also you can take for instance PC Gpu's , they're good at start but due time when drivers get mature and better optimised they're capable of delivering up to 5x more performance in some cases.

But FEAR NOT about this year, this year EVERY SINGLE FLAGSHIP will use s600/s800 and qualcomm is pushing HARD their devs to optimise everything so gaming should be MUCH better then last year even tho we have more demanding resolutions of 1080p this year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] TechBSwift:
why does everyone talk so much about build quality and looks, when they turn around and put a case on the D phone anyway? LOL
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hunt3r.j2:
Samsung doesn't care, and the side is just plastic painted with a metallic color. The back cannot be aluminum because it would not have any reception.

The HTC One will have better heat dissipation, case or not. Computers do not use heat sinks made of plastic. Also, the external antennas with active tuning and send/receive diversity means that I can guarantee better reception for every antenna over the GS4. No deathgrip like the iPhone 4 either.

Edit: Look carefully at the back of the HTC One. It is not the plastic lines that have the antennas, they are too thin to hold antennas, those are just insulating antennas from each other. The top and bottom metal pieces are definitely the antennas.
[Galaxy S 4 General] boe:
I'm betting the reception is better on the One.
[Galaxy S 4 General] GGXtreme:
How so? All I did was correct the errors in his post. He is spreading rumors about problems with a device that isn't even released and providing no evidence, continues to claim that a human being can notice the difference in sharpness in two displays OVER 400PPI, ignoring actual DisplayMate results showing that the One display is inferior in several ways, and just making random assumptions about Samsung and HTC's decisions with their devices.

See the post above mine and the other threads in this forum that show several other comparison shots. The sample images from the XZ have more accurate color balance, more detail, more balanced exposure, less smearing from noise reduction and little to no noise even in dark scenes. The fact that it can go toe-to-toe in dynamic range with the 'UltraPixel' camera is already impressive, but once you realize that scaling down a 13MP image removes as much noise through downsampling (see PureView) as the One's larger pixels acheive, the 4MP sensor is not even worth the overall drop in image quality. The only definitive advantage the One has is OIS to reduce blur with low-light shots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Also games would run better on s4 (if it is clocked at 533Mhz)

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

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Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
What is the point of this thread exactly? Seems like its just pure flamebait. The HTC One is a great phone, but it should be discussed in the HTC One forum, not here. It is also not a good time to be comparing the two, as one has yet to be released and properly tested on the final firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CrazyTechnoBoy:
I really hate this thread. I accidently clicked on this subforum (instead of HTC One), and clicked on this thread. Originally, I planned on getting the One for sure, but after reading a bunch of posts, I'm not so sure now. So in an unbiased way, what phone do you guys seriously recommend getting.? (I don't care about expandable memory or microSD.)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
It entirely depends on what you want from your phone; if you like the smart features of the S4, then get the S4, but if you want something that looks good then get the HTC One. Then it also depends on which screen-technology you prefer, if you need decent external speakers etc. Really hard to give any definite answer to your question, but with both being great phones, I doubt you could go wrong either way. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
I agree with you.

People come out of no where making tons of assumptions based on nothing and spread it all over the forums.

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Galaxy S 4 General] Dragonswithin:
Am I the only one that wishes this was cut and dry? Just read every post and link in this thread hoping to figure out what phone is best for me. Did the same thing over in the HTC thread as well and still have no clue what phone to get.

For the past ~3 years I have been using the HTC glacier (T-mobile) and have been very happy with it. Few reasons I stuck with it so long

1. Dev support. I have never used the stock software. Not going to be an issues on the new phones great Dev support on both.

2. Despite my best efforts it never busted. I'm very hard on my phone and plan to keep it for 3+ years not sure how well the plastic body will last. I'm not sure what type of plastic was used on the Glacier but 2-3 of the battery cover clips (part of the phone not cover) started to break a few months back. Will the same happen to the frame of a full plastic phone?

3. None of the new phones gave me reason enough to upgrade. Over the years have looked at only HTC phones as a loyal customer and as has been pointed out a few times here they have all had "issues".

This choice may be easier if you are not in the USA as the better CPU/GPU to me is a big pull. After a few software updates that hardware setup will offer better performance, battery life and features like USB 3.0 support.

For us in the USA we are stuck with two phones that are going to be near the same in performance and features after we put on CM or another custom ROM. (Is anyone here really going to stay on the stock software?)

Things I like about Samsung

- Software updates

- unlocked bootloader

- sd-card support

- removable battery

- gorilla glass 3

- wireless charging

Thing I like about HTC

- Materials solid construction

- Design, curved back, inset camera, ir blaster is the power button.( WTF with the swap/removal of the home/back/menu buttons)

- Speakers (can someone explain the hate for Beats here? Have used but never owned a number of products all have sounded great to me.)

- Camera fits my usage 90% indoors, poor lighting, reduced in size to email to family.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vantt1:
This is incredibly subjective

GS4 Pros:

-Camera has more MP

-Screen is AMOLED, deep blacks and vivid colours

-16/32/64GB + MicroSD up to 64GB! I'd like that, because my 16GB GSII + 32GB MicroSD can't hold my music library

-CPU should be better in theory, but I think it's overkill

-Plastic body is light and doesn't deform permanently

-Removable battery means Samsung will probably release an extended version later on

Cons:

-Plastic construction feels cheap

-Big AMOLED=lower relative brightness (e.g. in terms of brightness, GS1>GS II>GS III)

HTC One Pros:

-Camera should sense more light

-SLCD is brighter and more visible in sunlight than AMOLED

-Design is very nice,

Cons:

-No expandable storage or removable battery

-Camera is probably ill-suited for most applications other than Facebook or Instagram

-I personally don't like HTC
[Galaxy S 4 General] howtomen:
Beats is a fancy over priced equalizer that makes all non bass music sound crappy... And musky... And even then the bass isnt all to great nothing that cant be tuned... Honestly its useless. Dont hate it but id rather not have it

trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ziphnor:
I don't think there is a clear winner between the two, but personally I expect to go for the s4.

First reason is materials. While aluminum might look prettier I don't like the feel of it. I really like the soft plastic found on my HTC desire, my nexus 10 and kindle pw. From the pictures of the s4 it appears to have a hard textured plastic back which is not perfect but still preferable and custom back covers might become available.

Second reason is size and weight. The One is thicker and heavier while having a smaller screen. The One has too much non screen area on the front in my opinion.

One thing I found interesting about the One is the camera. I find it a bit ridiculous to put a 13mp camera on the s4. I somewhat suspect the optics cant keep up.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sandeep.mjs:
Some features are not useful, I suppose.

Like gesture swiping pic is useless. in stead of using my 2nd hand i will use thumb to swipe (less pain)

Camera features front and rear cameras working together is innovating ideas.

Smart pause is good but can say how practical it would be.

I dont know why samsung doesnt get text wrap fuction when we read articles on web browser .

And also more than five contact cant be merged together. that sucks and phonebook look bad.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Toss3:
Since when doesn't the browser have text-wrap? And the five contact thing will be fixed once someone gets a hold of the phone/firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sandeep.mjs:
By text wrap i meant text reflow. if u still dont know what is that try some HTC device. I regarding five contact can only be fixed by customize rom.
[Galaxy S 4 General] broncogr:
Thread reopened.

Please stay on topic, stick to the facts and dont flame each other.

Thank you for your cooperation
[Galaxy S 4 General] tbong777:
HTC all flash.... Apple like form over function. Hardwired battery, no SD expansion trumps the "jewelry" part need not look further into it. I carry my phones hidden in my pocket. I don't wave them around in the air for others to see the "beauty" and feel the "metal" .
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Here's what HTC has to fight against -- "Galaxy" brand and the media hype.

This is taken from Google trends comparing Xperia Z, HTC One and Galaxy S4. It's easy to see what Sony/HTC is fighting against. Winning the XDA war is useless. They need to win the moms/teens/executives etc.,
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
not exactly sure what that graph shows exactly? can you explain?

im sure HTC never expected to beat samsung, what they need is a foothold - hopefully they will get it.

it's good for fans of both manufacturers, competition will mean samsung will need to keep producing their best, and htc will continue to try increase their share
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Samsung in their own non-conformist way skipped reflow and introduced a "reader" option within the browser. I kind of like it because on text-dense sites it strips out things you don't need and just presents the text in a scalable format. Here's an example.

Orignal WSJ article:

In reader:

HTC's browser performance has also been kind of poor as you can see in the graph a couple of pages back. Not providing reflow and introducing reader might be to achieve better overall browsing performance which I'm all for.

---------- Post added at 11:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 AM ----------

Yikes. If similar trending applies to actual sales that's pretty scary for everyone who's not Samsung. If it's not too much trouble, can you plot the run up to the iP5 announcment? It was September 12, 2012.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
its true htc browser performance is poor in comparison atm, but i would still rather have a slightly slower one with reflow than this standalone thing.

takes me back to my old WAP days looking at web pages on my nokia!

anyways, browsers can always be changed. no big deal

can't say ive used them but im assuming play store browsers such as chrome etc all have reflow?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
This data is taken from Google Trend. This is what google says:

http://trends.google.com
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
so basically as of about now, gs4 is being searched for about 6x as much as HTC one.

interesting to see how it translates into sales, but 6:1 doesnt sound like a bad result for HTC, early days though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
From Sept 2012:
[Galaxy S 4 General] force70:
The one looks nice.if you like the looks of a Z10 :D. It is a nice phone though but no sd card slot, non removable battery with questionable life (we are.talking about htc after all) coupled with a smaller screen a greater overall size made it easy for me, s4 it is.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Thanks for that. It's pretty amazing that on the back of the SGS3 primarily that Samsung's achieved the same degree of brand recognition and interest that Apple has. And people like to blame HTC's misfortune on Samsung's annual marketing budget being so much larger. Neither of their launches was advertised as they were media (vs. consumer) events so interest was from word of mouth and what people found online. 2013's going to be a very rough year for Sony, LG, Motorola and HTC; at least at the high-end. It's hard to stop a moving train.
[Galaxy S 4 General] muhamet:
S OFF no thx
[Galaxy S 4 General] dligon:
I think I'll just wait for the S 5 cause if you look at it the odd numbers have been alot better. the s1 was great,the s2 was so,so then they really improved on the s3, yes the s4 has a few ok specs but it looks like a s3 and note 2 hybrid and who is really going to use all if any of the new features.
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
I dunno man. I was all up for seeing what Samsung would bring to the party this year with all the dev stuff flying about. Flexible screens and octa-cores etc......But I was left a little underwhelmed after the unpacked event. I know Samsung clearly sells well and people here must like the phones but something as simple as appearance personally is important when it comes to something you'll potentially be looking at a lot. And I was gutted when the S4 emerged and looked completely unrevolutionary. You have to admit that although the new Xperia isn't to everyone's taste and yes the One is following the iPhone build at least Sony and HTC seem to be testing the water a little.....

I personally think Samsung will dominate this year. Though not due to the S4 being awe-inspiring. You can't deny that the last two years they have produced amazing devices and totally stolen the market but I do think they're going the Apple way in the way that people will now buy the latest Galaxy phone simply because its a Samsung.

I know there's a lot about the One vs the S4 and I will be going for the One. Yes it is party because I'm a HTC fan but also because I am honestly impressed with what they've produced this year. I could take or leave last years HTC phones and if I'd had the cash would have bought myself a Note 2. But this time I'm actually buzzing about receiving my new phone. Also I don't think HTC are trying to compete with Samsung with the One. I think they're trying to entice the average iPhone buyer over and I think its a clever move that could just work for them. I have friends who won't buy anything but Apple taking note of the One. Some even ordering them.

So anyway in conclusion. Imo I have gone for the One but they are both very good phones. Nobody can deny that much. I would have liked to have seen something a bit more from Samsung however regardless of my choice as I honestly think the S4 is just a iterative phone release. Even a new look with the same specs would have at least felt like the designers at Samsung were attempting to use their imagination on this phone. (and I can say this as a Conceptual Design Engineer lol)

At the end of the day either phone will easily last you 2 odd years and still be insanely good. Just think where phones were 10 years ago lol. You can't really say any phone is terrible anymore. Just buy the one you like the best and screw what anyone else thinks. And don't cry if someone does happen to not like your phone of choice. It really isn't all that significant on the bigger scale of life and all other things.

Bout time I took my waffle and did one now anyway. Cheers.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
How much more advancement is left for the SGS5 or HTC Two? 1080P's sort of overkill as it is. There are eight core processors now. Devices can check barometric pressure, communicate via NFC, and have IR ports. What kind of apps or games could possibly need more power than Octa/PowerVR or S-600/Adreno provide on a 5" display? Devices can't get much smaller unless they fold if they’re going to continue to sport giant displays. I think we're nearing the end of the road when it comes to advancing traditional mobile device h/w. SoC advances will continue bettering performance vs. efficiency but new battery tech is what's really needed. My guess is that next up is a focus on completely different formats like Google Glass and smart watches.
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
Spot on. Phones don't really need to be insane quad or octa core beast at all. I mean just buy a pc man lol! I'd like to see them stretching the boundaries a little like you say, google glass etc.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
people were saying that 3 or 4 years ago too!

it will get to a point where a phone is a totally viable computer (eg dock it into a monitor and use it for everyday computing tasks) - tbh, we're not a million miles away from that now

quite exciting when you think about it!
[Galaxy S 4 General] horsetastic:
Padfone.....which I actually want BTW....maybe that should be added to this thread. Because honestly it is awesomely innovative and each year they bound forward with tech and specs. Also same cam as Sony (i think) so not terrible. And its a pad to..... Brilliant idea.
[Galaxy S 4 General] djbenny1:
yep i agree, padfone is a great idea

surprised no one else has done it yet
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
The real thing that attracts me to the SGS IV over the One are the 'Gimmicky' features like Floating Touch and Eye scrolling, and air gestures. And yes I whole heartedly believe they are gimmicks and aren't necessary or hugely useful. That said...they're pretty freaking cool.

I'm going to wait to see low light camera comparisons (and regular comparisons too) against the devices two camera's because that is the main selling point that will get to me when deciding between these devices.

I'm pretty sold on the One at the moment, because the samsung software features aren't going to change my life. But if it turns out that the camera is more than a small margin better than the One all around it'll make the decision much tougher.

That said. I hope for the biggest marketing war from these two this year. I want it to be like the Mac Vs. PC days :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I think this is pretty sick, i like what airview can do
[Galaxy S 4 General] clanwce:
AGREE

agreed, I'll most likely go for HTC ONE as well and gave my note2 to my girlfriend.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JesseMT4G:
Personally me, if I was to get a new Samsung, I would get the Note 2 over the s4. Better multitasking, s pen, still great benchmarks and screen, not to mention, great specs.

Honestly most of the new features in the s4 are very gimmicky and Betcha majority don't use most of them. I have quite a few options that are on my s3 I don't use either.

Definitely more interested in the HTC one as they seem to be pushing the envelope on hardware side and personally like sense more than touchwiz, granted I generally use Nova Prime.

No doubt in my mind that Samsung will sell a ton of those and still be on top. Great marketing and devices will do that for ya.

HTC could run up against them if they had better marketing.

Sent from a galaxy far away!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Maedhros:
I'm very surprised you feel this way. I actually went the other way around. I thought to replace my DHD with the Note 2. But after a week of using the Note 2 I couldn't stand it. I felt like the seamless integration and beauty of HTC Sense were too much of a sacrifice for me to make. Not only that, but the Note 2 took 2 seconds to turn on. VERY annoying.

(tldr: I went from the Note 2 to the DHD... HTC Sense is that great :P)