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[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Speaking personally yes and no.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses. The S4 thus far seems to have a better "all around" camera, whereas the HTC One excels in the exact area I use cellphone cameras 70%-80% of the time. For me the One wins solely on my usage patterns, whereas someone looking for better detail, larger pictures and (in some cases) less daylight noise will be better served by the S4's camera. (Keep in mind these are just my opinions based on unfinished software from both devices)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
But we can't argue that the mainstream doesn't care about things that we do like Asus' choice of NAND in one post and then attribute lack of sales to the same things. In Android tablets, the pretty aluminum tablet was outsold by the plastic one. Why would that stand to be any different in Android phones if aluminum or design was so high up in people's buying criteria? The Prime/Infinity are just as better looking compared to Samsung's tablets as the One is to the SGS4 (IMHO).

I'd venture to guess a ton of iPhone owners would say the same thing in comparison against Android phones. That's why I rarely compare Apple's success (or failure) to the Android world. It's not like all the things HTC and Samsung have done previously have turned the tide. People are still buying iPhones at an equal or greater pace in spite of Samsung's success. Who knows, maybe you're right and design is the "secret sauce" that's been missing. We'll know soon. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BzBz:
do people think looks and design are that important in the real world? it's interesting to hear this argument since the cell phone case industry is so huge. it's hard for me to believe it when people say looks and design are important when it seems the large majority of cell phone users have a case on their phones.

i also find it interesting that people make the argument that looks are more important than battery life or expandable storage. with the dynamic of unlimited data going the way of the dodo and cloud storage becoming more popular storage would seem to be a more important issue. also, most people despise being tethered or having to plan ahead to put their phone on the charger if they're going out for the evening after work. those things, imo are less subjective than looks.

personally i like the HTC one. it's the two things above that i think will impact HTC's ability to sell more of their flagship phone than samsung in the long run. most everything else is a wash in terms of raw power and software for my usage.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bagbug:
very lame comparison, the S4 is in zoom mode. Im starting to believe that phone users a clueless about photography with all those pathetic "tests".
[Galaxy S 4 General] john291:
even if its in zoom mode...those colors are bad..

but they needed to put both phones in the same mode thats what i think too....

So i hope they make a another comparison..
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You may find this shocking but I'd go as far as to say the HTC does a better job than Samsung at the fundamental s/w core to the operation of the phone. In the things they provide equally I’d prefer Sense.

LG is set to become the number two Android provider behind Samsung based on their current trending, Nexus-building, YOY sales growth, product and market diversity, and money in the bank. They are duplicating all of Samsung's enhanced s/w features. HTC's got none (BlinkFeed’s an app and Zoe scenes is supplemental to the camera) and took away some much-loved personalization features with the introduction of Sense 5. Does anyone here think Awake stay is a gimmick? I tried to use a third-party app from Play to get the functionality on my One X but it drained the battery too much.

You obviously don't care about enhanced s/w features. I wouldn't buy the One because it doesn't have them. We’re two out of tens of millions. Samsung and LG are investing tons of money in s/w and offering additional features at no additional cost compared to phones that don't have them. It's up to the masses whether those features are meaningful (or could sway a purchase decision) to say how important having them or not is. HTC's betting on design and Samsung/LG are betting on features. With Samsung upping the ante and LG launching a ton of phones this year HTC's about to find out whether offering enhanced s/w features is important or not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
With or without zoom, the htc one video looks gorgeous indeed.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] d.terenzzo:
this video is so stupid... people should not even see it...

when do we have fingers on the camera, the camera trying to focus in both, the finger and the landscape. thats not reflect only the focuses, but in many other things, like luminosity, focuses, noise saturation and etc...

I'm not even saying the htc 1 is better than SGS4. Just saying this video doesnt prove anything.

cheers
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
What's inside is more important then what's outside for sure but HTC for me have got the ingredients just right. just enough real improvements and changes. Here I'm not referring about gimmicky tweaks but real improvements. More Camera options, sound options, call options, sms options, liquid smooth ui and pretty graphics. Crystal clear voice calls all wrapped in premium gorgeous build.

If it means sacrificing some gimmicky software tweaks for looks then I'm all for it. If HTC one was a Samsung phone it would be flying of the shelves I think you would all agree.

Inmho that's the future for android smartphones, getting that hardware and software combination just right and I think HTC are much closer to it then Samsung at this moment.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jahai:
Samsung GS4 vs HTC One - which features do you think are actually better on the

You know the One has a wider angle lense? So the S4 isn't in zoom-mode...
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
your opinion isn't being taken seriously here as you have proven to be a troll. You're trying too hard to convince ppl..
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Great comparison between HTC One and Galaxy S4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP348ZcmvWs

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[Galaxy S 4 General] boodies:
There is no comparison, the One is limited by it's hardware to even compete with the GS4. Heck, the GS4 has a friggin pedometer and a thermometer lol, not to mention sd cards and removable (bigger) battery.
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Thanks for that good comparison video.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfqeuY_dWmE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Stabilization video with the HTC One/Samsung Galaxy S 4. Side by side

:beer:
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Both devices are great mate, no need for this flame war. Just chose what pleases you more and let the others do the same.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
Sigh...yes there is. There is always a "better" when comparing two things that accomplish the same thing unless they are identical. In this case they are not. If u are looking at both devices and judging by which device performs best at being a smartphone then only an idiot or a fanboy would say the HTC is better. Its not. The gs4 is. Period. It has the better specs therefore its the better device. I have no idea why people can't admit this. Now I understand the people who are picking the HTC for the way it looks, the problem comes from some of those people who claim the HTC is better cause of the way it looks and feels...that has nothing to do with which device performs better...u can't say one of the phones is better than the other because of things like looks screen and camera because all of that is personal opinion. If u look everywhere it counts the gs4 is the clear winner. Its not a debate. I'm not saying the HTC can't be a better fit for someone than the s4, but the can't make the claim the HTC is a better smartphone.

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Actually what convinces most people is it has better hardware everywhere where its not personal opinion. All u can say is hey my phone looks better and also sense looks better and doesn't use an amoled and doesn't have extra gimmicky features. (all of which are oppinion by the way) What can u say about the rest of the hardware that isn't oppinion based? That's right, nothing! But hey at least u can tell the person who's gs4 is running circles around your one "o well i don't Care about how the phones actually run, mine looks better!'

Its comical
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
1st part. You definitely can say the lock screen camera features, build quality, etc makes something a better phone because it makes it a better phone to the person who likes those features better.. Which you say in the second part I quoted ironically.

Just because to *you* power and smartphone specs makes a better smartphone fit for you doesn't make it the better phone.

It matters on how each individual used a phone. By your same logic I can name a phone the best phone just because it dials and makes calls the best. It's technically the 'best phone'

2nd part: You disagree with everything else you said. If a phones a better phone to a particular person then.. It's the better phone.. To them..

The person you quoted is absolutely right. Their is no unanimously 'better phone'

:beer:
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yep, that's pretty much it. Last year, I think the SGS3 was the clear winner over One X. This year things are evenly matched. Like phonearena said, they have their pros that counter the other and vice versa.
[Galaxy S 4 General] epicfailguy2:
I really like the galaxy line. But overall htc always had the build quality over samsung. Which doesnt really matter with a case or a replacement brushed aluminium back cover found on ebay.

But the one is really well tought of. You can say engineers worked hardnfor it. The gs4 is also an impressing feat of screen engineering because.fitting 5 inches in such a small package is a challenge even apple cant seem to achieve since 3 generations of iphones. My money will go to htc this year, just like my very first windows mobile htc HD smartphone. I may keep my aluminium hunterf clad note 2 tho.
[Galaxy S 4 General] squidder:
Your first part is all opinion like I said. All I meant is u can't make a claim a phone is better than the other based on things that are opinion (the things u listed) because I can find people who prefer HTC screen camera and build just like I can find people who prefer samsungs screen camera and build.

2 I didn't disagree with anything I said. I'm saying if u rate everything that isn't opinion the gs4 wins easily. Nobody can deny it. Also saying a phone is a better fit for someone is completely different than saying one phone is better. At the end of the day all I'm saying is if one phone rapes the other in every single category other than things based on oppinion its the better device. Its fine if y'all can't admit that. I can't believe I have to give u an example so u can comprehend what I mean by better fit while still being an inferior device but i will. I have a 2004 ford explorer, while my friend just got a brand new camaro. Now his car does everything mine can do better, however I have kids and my vehicle has more space. Therefore my explorer is the better fit for me. Now does that mean I have a better vehicle? Hell no he does.
[Galaxy S 4 General] doktor buknasty:
Explain to me what these real improvements the HTC One has implemented....
[Galaxy S 4 General] joelteixeira:
Galaxy S4 official accessories and price:

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/26/galaxy-s4-prices-release-date-of-official-accessories/

Tapatalked from my GNex
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Gosh you're smart. Pretty much the same conclusion GSMArena reached in their just posted shoot-out between the two phones. Interesting that it contradicts some of the things everyone here keeps saying the One's clearly better at (camera, display).

The HTC One is perhaps easier to define - not least because a premium device has a matching premium feel. That along with features like Beats Audio and BlinkFeed will probably make the HTC One a favorite among the young crowd. Facebook and Twitter don't care much for multi-megapixel images anyway, so OIS and Zoe can really make all the difference there. Plus, the aluminum unibody is a fashion accessory for any occasion.

The Samsung Galaxy S4 on the other hand seems like it couldn't care less about looks. This is in a way a stronger statement than the exquisite build and finish of its rival. Samsung want to show that it's the essence that matters and overall the Korean flagship certainly has more going for it than its rival.

You see the Samsung Galaxy S4 won more of the key battles today - screen (bigger, slightly better quality), software (newer, more options, better performance) and still camera. It may have lost elsewhere, but it was never a distant second.

The HTC One on the other hand emerged on top in the video recording, music and social networking categories, but those were all narrow victories. And its still camera was really nowhere near the level of the Samsung Galaxy S4 13MP shooter. Ultrapixels or not, 4MP can barely rival 2010 flagships on most occasions.

In the end, it's best if you don't just count number of victories to know which smartphone is better than this other. Instead, you should use this article as a reference - focus on the features you care about and ignore the rest. While each category has a winner and a loser, the "loser" in this shootout will be envied by most other premium phones on the market for quite some time to come.

The winner? How about the one with your name on it.

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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
I didn't even read that yet
[Galaxy S 4 General] -]Megacharge[-:
Actually you need to add FM Radio to the HTC One. While I'm still awaiting confirmation of FM Radio for the S4 (it should have it, I don't know for sure yet)
[Galaxy S 4 General] cobraboy85:
Spec-wise? Of course it is. But honestly, look at their history after the Evo 4g....

That's not saying much.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yeah I know... but I believe they got it right this time. Im not saying its a perfect device but they did very well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Squirrel1620:
I'm still torn between these two phones :( it will probably come down to holding one in each hand and taking a chance with one
[Galaxy S 4 General] kinfauns:
Thread cleaned

Thanks to those who have been making meaningful comments and contributing to the discussion. To the others, a handful of your posts have been deleted. Keep the thread on topic by following this simple guideline: "Talk about the phones, not each other."
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
These types of comparisons go south because people have different biases based on their usage and feature priorities. GSMArena's review is a great example. He weighed "fantastic design" and "expandable storage/removable battery" as equal resulting in his declaration of a tie for what some feel is the One’s biggest competitive advantage. For someone that could care less about anything but design that's going to be the wrong conclusion. To someone who values those things they'll view the review as spot on. No one's wrong we all just look at things differently. Someone mentioned OIS and low-light camera performance as critical features in their choice of the One over the SGS4. They'll have to weigh them now as to which is more important based on the comparison pics GSMArena posted. Personally, I was never bought in to fewer bigger pixels in the first place but better low-light performance got my attention. Now, OIS and the better integrated camera s/w features are the One's biggest advantages. I'm not so moved. But that's just me and some people will look at the same pics I did and think GSMArena drew the wrong conclusion. That's cool. We each have to live with whatever decisions(s) we make based on our personal assessments and priorities.
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
Yes that's pretty much the summary of how things are. I've said it many times : both phones are excellent, you just have to find whats more important and best for you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tejkkarani:
i think s4 has better cpu, expandable memory
[Galaxy S 4 General] Xenon13:
Me too :eek: !
[Galaxy S 4 General] Brendo:
So, given the s4 has metal around the outside and most people say that plastic equals nonpremium, would swapping the back cover with aftermarket metal back essentially make it premium?

Still a hard decision to choose between the two. HTC has always been my fav phone company, but the s4 is the one that appeals to me the most
[Galaxy S 4 General] barondebxl:
It isn't metal around the outside, its polycarbonate.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Squirrel1620:
A metal back would block the antenna, that's why htc has those plastic fill ins. And I'm starting to think that having it metal wouldn't be all that awesome. I mean I myself would have it in a case anyways
[Galaxy S 4 General] Brendo:
doh, well i do like that brushed metal look it gives
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
The S4 is more well rounded. It is built to please everybody.

eg.

Sd-card/removable battery/group play (business man/traveler/people who works with phone),

S-health/ Gloves touchscreen for (athletes or senior citizens)

"Look how cool I am", features like S-voice, air gestures, multiplayer gaming (teenagers)

The HTC One is more focused on teenagers.

eg.

Sound quality

"Look how cool I am" design

Of course those are stereotypes and all those features can please everybody regardless of age or sex but it's a reality that some features are more apealing to certain types of people.

If I had to give a phone as a prize(not knowing who will get it) I would go with the S4.

If I had to recommend a phone to someone I would also go with the S4 as nobody would be disapointed with the S4 but with the HTC One some might regret not having some of the S4 features.

Everything the HTC One has, the S4 has it too in a more, equal or less way but still has it. Not everything the S4 has the HTC One has.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
No, but it would make it a doorstop as the radios rely on the plastic back cover allowing them to receive 50% or more of their signal. ;)

There's spiffy cool magnesium in the SGS4. You just have to take it apart to ogle it. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] boodies:
sup Barry, just sayin hi..

anway back on topic, folks.. you really can't compare a super class phone gs4 to the one... the difference is too much
[Galaxy S 4 General] mackster248:
See now you're being subjective. Both are just as good, just depends which one you want.

What if I said the HTC One is better because Super LCD 3 is better than Samoled? Or its better because it has front stereo speakers that sound amazing?

See, I can justify it. It all depends what you want as a phone.

Again, both phones are equally great, depends which one a person wants more.

Sent from my Nexus 4

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I didn't know sound quality and an industrial design was meant for teenagers.... -_-

So adults don't enjoy music as much as teens?

I still can't decide which I want, but I think I'm leaning towards the S4.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Actually, if you read the audio part of the review, the SGS4 (like the N2 before it) was better at sound reproduction than the One. The One "won" the audio test based on volume. I have a pair of Shure SE535's (adult earphones ;) ) and anything louder than the N2 would make my ears bleed. And you would notice the audio quality difference between the One and SGS4 on earphones that caliber or similar. So for audiophiles the difference in sound quality would be more important than loudness. Which matters most depends on what you listen to. Listening to highly compressed content on $50 headphones anything's going to sound pretty much the same.

In fact, we were shocked to find out that the Samsung flagship had a cleaner output than the HTC smartphone. While both are perfect when attached to an active external amplifier, the Galaxy S4 remained just as great when we plugged in a pair of headphones, while the HTC One took a hit to its stereo crosstalk.

Still, it's a difference that's very hard to detect without lab equipment, so for purposes practical the two are on par. What is not so hard to hear is the difference in volume levels - the HTC One is notably louder than the Samsung Galaxy S4 in both test scenarios.
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P.S. - Everyone's assuming the S-600 SGS4's using the same DAC (Qualcomm imbedded) as the One. How could the sound quality results be so different? And their different by quite a bit. Hmmm.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kremata:
Read the post a little lower.

The sound from the earphones will probably be better in the S4 I9500(because it has Wolfson chip). The HTC might have better sound because of front speakers etc.. But most adult won't listen to music via the phone speaker, they will use the earphones or plug it in the sound system.

Teenagers on the other hands are the ones who will put music in their room with their friends etc...
[Galaxy S 4 General] riz157:
Smart move. Play around with both.
[Galaxy S 4 General] E.Cadro:
Alright lets get this back on topic shall we enough is enough.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Give me some credit for reading what I post before I post it. ;) "Lossless audio+high end headphones" = "lab equipment" in terms of detecting nuance. That said, I'd doubt more than five percent of those here have the content or equipment to notice the difference. Hence GSMArena's populist conclusion which I don't disagree with.
[Galaxy S 4 General] i9100g user:
Looks like exynos variant has wolfson DAC :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2194611

Sound quality will be better then :D

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[Galaxy S 4 General] NZtechfreak:
The same DAC does not guarantee the same sound quality at all, the implementation at the hardware and software levels can make a dramatic difference (see Supercurios commentary on the SQ of the LG 2x, which bears the same DAC as the Galaxy S i9000 - SQ difference is night and day because the LG model was plagued by the intrusion of major CPU noise). Things like the proximity to interfering radios/RF shielding/software governed power supply to the DAC and probably many more things I'm not aware of can make a big difference, and many of those things can still apply even if the DAC is bundled into the SoC hardware.

See what I've said above? That also applies to the Wolfson, just having a Wolfson does not guarantee great sound quality in the least. Supercurio has in fact been complaining about the S4s upscaling of sound to 48Khz at the software level as a major, major, impediment to good sound quality regardless of the presence of the Wolfson.
[Galaxy S 4 General] epicfailguy2:
Anyway whats the status of rooting on the htc one ? Does it still permanently void warranty on htc's database and diable updates and features ? No one is really clear on that main aspect.
[Galaxy S 4 General] notsointeresting:
It'll void warranty just as it does on the GS4. Signing in with HTC Dev and unlocking there has never stopped them from fixing my phone when I shipped it to them.

Same predicament.

I wouldn't base your phone off that decision because they'll both be able to be rooted/bootloader unlocked.