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[Legend Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kobiburnley:
So, I created the 2nd partition.. all setted up... even get a notification from Link2SD after an app is installed says "appname linked to SD"

BUT, still internal phone storage is getting low... I'm helpless.. any ideas please...
[Nexus 10 General] moonytoonyking:
I've made a thread similar to this before but people assured me it was something i was doing wrong but despite trying everything thats been suggested to me nothing seems to work. ive had this ****ty tablet that i paid £400 for about 3 months now and im sick of it. My galaxy siii is as smooth as i can ask for, its perfect. This tablet however is a different story. the scrolling is truely horrid, i mean its so janky and stuttery and even when it dosent stutter the screen has a sort of deforming effect. I feel like either google really need to spend some time optimising this tablet or the hardware just cannot support this screen resolution. I love android and even back on my older phones with ics and froyo i found their scrolling often smoother than this ****TY TABLET. I've tried about 15 roms, 4 kernels and even tried over-clocking to about 2.0ghz, nothing. made a difference. does anyone know if gooogle is optimising this tablet? because if i see no improvements within the next month im selling this piece of junk. I dont understand how a tablet that can maintain 60 fps on a 3D game can't even manage to scroll a webpage or app drawer page without dropping frames and having janky and stuttery scrolling. I am also very sure this isnt a problem with android. as i said my phone i9300 galaxy siii handles scrolling super smooth on stock and cm10.1 so it can't be an android problem.

My main question is; Does anyone else find this tablets scrolling performance to be stuttery and janky? or do i have a dud?

Another thing i would like to say is that, the animations are perfectly smooth and in terms of app open speed and gaming performance this tablet is great. however i tend to use tablets for mostly web browsing and other 2D applications which is something that this tablet cant handle for some reason. (oh btw i have tried about 5 different browsers and i know chrome is utter **** this isnt chrome that im tlaking about)
[Nexus 10 General] Eatonitis:
My N10 is stock and not rooted, the only application that behaves anything like that is Firefox which can be really bad. No other issues like that at all. If your looking to resolve the problem I'd go back to basics. It's much more likely to be a software issue than anything else.
[Nexus 10 General] johno86:
Perhaps checking the Force GPU rendering in the developers options will help remedy the issue you are having with scrolling.

I do not have this issue when scrolling through a website =\ I do have Force GPU rendering enabled as well as Disable HW overlays checked.
[Nexus 10 General] atg284:
before I returned my two through the play store I noticed a horrible amount of scroll "waving" while in portrait. If you have it in portrait and scroll up and down really fast you can see it big time. Even on daily normal scrolling I could see it. It really bothered me. Its too many pixles. I'd rather have uniform scrolling then the last line of pixels be a half second late compared to the first line. It's hard to explain but it is very annoying.

1920 X 1200 is probably the sweet spot right now. Anything over that is overkill and the GPU/CPU cant keep up.
[Nexus 10 General] altimax98:
Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.

Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.

You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.

Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.

Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.

So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
[Nexus 10 General] liftman-:
try the eos rom, i think it smooth, stable.... it also keeps running smooth after days of use.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2178128

also in developer options there are 3 things i change on every rom down to. 5:

window animation scale

transition animation scale

animation duration scale

only web pg that doesnt seem to be smooth is 9 gag.

i keep my browser in desktop mode always.

bummer u have a bad taste from it, i find it to be a great hardware, but i like to tweak on it alot.
[Nexus 10 General] robrob777:
You are not the only one, check this video, N10 is not as smooth as the ipad or surface, go to min 5.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI53tTXcPY8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

stock and boat browser made things much better for me, never use chrome.
[Nexus 10 General] altimax98:
Again, this is an A15 w/2x the pixels to push
[Nexus 10 General] plznote:
That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
[Nexus 10 General] alan sh:
I'm using the Ocean browser and scrolling is very smooth. So, maybe its inefficient apps?
[Nexus 10 General] malibu_23:
Thaz the thing about software it can always be edited with new optimization and thus improve it. Its still a work in progress. Android always has been

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Settings -> developer options -> ( check ) force GPU rendering

Little more batt life drain I think ...

If you want good browsers :

(Smoothest)

Naked browser

AOKP browser
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
Like every android device out there you just need to tweak the min free values to make it smoother. A good ROM/kernel combo helps too.

Add these lines to an init.d file:

chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree

chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj

echo "0,1,3,7,11,15" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj;

echo "16384,20480,25600,51200,76800,102400" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree;

chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj

chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
[Nexus 10 General] 215alexdx:
Where do I find the init.d file?
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
System/etc/init.d
[Nexus 10 General] Ted C.:
Web browsing mostly also, here's...

the steps which have my n10 scrolling smoothly...

1. Start with tablet stock, locked, and setup complete.

2. Unlock and root tablet by preferred method and create nandroid backup. (May require understanding/knowledge of how to get out of bootloop)

3. Go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if required) and install Quick Boot.

4. Install preferred custom Recovery (TWRP is mine)

5. Download preferred custom ROM, gapps ( I prefer a minimum package like Rascarlo's), and kernel. (See mine in signature). ;)

6. Use Quick Boot to boot into recovery, wipe cache, factory reset, then system. I just do...

7. Install ROM, wipe cache and dalvik, install kernel, then gapps. Again, I just do...

8. Reboot system.

9. Set up tablet then go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if needed).

10. Download and install BusyBox.

11. Update, install, and setup required/preferred apps from Play Store (AdAway and Naked Browser required for my tablet!)

12. Go into Settings and clean/disable everything under each setting I don't require or need for my tablet to web browse.

13. Boot into Recovery and "fix permissions".

14. Reboot system, set governor parameters, and enjoy!

This has worked for me without issue, can't/won't guaranty my results for others so use at own risk! :laugh:
[Nexus 10 General] Mannn121:
My scrolling is good. I'm just on rooted stock 4.2.2. But then again, I may just not be as picky as other people.
[Nexus 10 General] FredC94:
No problem here, my Nexus10 is running fast and smooth. CM10.1 no mods, with Dolphin as browser.
[Nexus 10 General] Alleycat68:
Paranoid Android + KToonsez kernel = silky smooth scrolling.

One flick will scroll top to bottom ANY page I have came across and it is VERY smooth.

Try one of the custom roms / kernels for this device and you will change your mind.
[Nexus 10 General] pingguo:
I'm using AOKP PUB 4.2.2 by mrRobinson, and the scrolling in the stock browser is very smooth, even on websites with simple flash objects. Of course, if complex elements are loading while you scroll, you will see lag. But even the iPad would lag, which is why it stops loading content while scrolling (and it does not even dare to display flash ^^). In other apps, it differs greatly. In flipboard, for example, scrolling is extremely laggy (while flipping is smooth). There are also a bunch of third party apps that behave very smooth, which is why I suspect that this problem is not about the Nexus 10, but rather about clean development of apps.
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
The Nexus 10 cpu is a number crunching monster. To say even half the horsepower is being used is generous. Once devs optimize their apps for it, along with Google's next OS comes out (which is more multi-core aware) it will be VERY much faster. Clock for clock the Exynos 5 dual-core is faster than the Tegra 3 quad-core - upwards of 50% or more - and it is maybe 10-15% faster right now according to benchmarks. This device will only become more relevant as time goes on. With properly coded software I have seen it push current-gen console graphics at 60 FPS.
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
Not that I'm saying that's not true, but that is something I would genuinely want to see, only if to see for myself what this beast is truly capable of. I've been nothing but pleased with my Nexus 10, so anything that takes it further is just gravy. :)
[Nexus 10 General] deathgod99:
I have no issues with my Nexus 10 and I'm a user of Mac, PC, and Android. Each has its ups and downs but when you have them all you have no worries.
[Nexus 10 General] EniGmA1987:
Go look at the Epic Citadel benchmark. It uses the Unreal 3 engine, which powers probably around 75% of current generation console games. At stock speeds the Nexus 10 can run around 50 fps, when overclocked (especially the GPU) you can average between 58-59 FPS, and that is only because we are limited to 60fps max. If the vsync cap was removed during benchmarks we would probably see this average much higher.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
I don't understand the fascination of benchmarks. I'm less concerned about what the tablet is capable of and more concerned about what it can actually do. Coming from an iPad, my Nexus 10 is nowhere near as smooth. Two completely different leagues in terms of performance. The only thing I've done on my nexus 10 that I found smooth is PS1 enulation. Browsing the web, PDF documents, app drawer, homescreen, etc all riddled with lag and stutter. Even when compared to my Galaxy Note II
[Nexus 10 General] EniGmA1987:
Web browsing, homescreen, app drawer, and the apps I use dont have any lag at all. PDF's do and thats because Adobe support is terrible on Android and even 3rd party apps that can read PDF files are not very good, plus PDF is a terribly bloated and wasteful format.

One of the greatest things about Android is also one of its greatest weaknesses, options. Any random dev can make an app and put it in the Play Store, so many apps out there perform bad and/or look ugly. If you have issues you are unhappy with then you should just try other things out. If you dont want to try other things then that is your choice to run laggy software.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
I'm currently running it stock and it is just as laggy as the HTC Rezound I used to have before I got rid of that thing. I'm of the mindset that something needs to be good without tweaking before you start rooting and romming. The Note II for example. Fantastic device stock. Great battery life, amazing performance. This thing? Half the battery life I would expect from a tablet, and awful performance. Like I said, stock launcher or Nova launcher. Homescreen lag and app drawer lag is plentiful. Especially side by side my iPad 4 and Note II.

Whether it benchmarks better is not my concern. I don't care about numbers. I care about the real world use.
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
I don't think he was talking numbers, I think he was referring to graphics. 3DMark is also quite impressivefor the graphics. For real world try out Epoch, it is a game powered by Unreal 3 and it runs at 60 FPS and it is definitely console quality. But I don't think you care about gaming. My Nexus 10 is perfectly smooth regardless of what program I am running. As smooth as my wifes Ipad 4. But then again I know what I am doing, I know how to tweak Linux.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
I'm aware of how to root and flash roms. I just do not think that one should need to flash a rom in order to get a smooth experience. Roms are to enhance the experience, not fix it. I personally have an iPad 4 and the smoothness is leagues ahead of the Nexus 10 even when I was running AOKP. And you are right, I do not care about gaming performance at all. I just want a tablet that lasts 10 hours of screen on time at medium brightness and has no slowdown whatsoever. The Nexus 10 does not fulfill that for me.
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
I never said anything about ROMS. I can have stock running just as smooth as any custom ROM out there, by simply modifying ADJ, LMK, Cache, RAM, and Kernel values which can be added in init.d, userinit, sysctl.conf, and build.prop. Hell - you don't even need to be rooted! Just so happens that I prefer custom kernels and ROMS because of the added modification options. If I had enough time outside of job/family/new house I would be making my own kernels and ROMS but I don't right now. :(
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Not trying to pick sides but didn't you just prove his point? The changes you made are not what a stock experience would be?
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
Would changing bios settings or modifying the swap file size on a windows computer change the ” experience ”? I think not. I am not adding anything just adjusting what is already there.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
you are right !

10 hours of screeen and more stability out of the box... you are asking to much from this

they are not capable yet of delivering this . google must change the WORD of the project target to SMOOTHNESS and QUALITY! ( out of the box ) for 50 dollars more .... Until then things are going to stay down
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Sure it does, or you wouldn't do it? Why change those things if they do nothing?

I think his argument is for $400-500 it should "just work" out of the box. All the other tweaks should be gravy.
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
That's what the Google Nexus brand is all about! I actually prefer it this way. I love having complete control of my device. It is no different in the PC world. If you build a computer you customize and tweak it yourself. If you want it to work out of the box then you buy a name brand or an Apple. The nexus brand is all about a modifiable vanilla experience. There are plenty of tablets out there to chose from, as consumers we need to educate ourselves about those choices. I chose this tablet for the very reason you are unhappy with it.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
Yes. Its customize able but that doesn't allow Google to release an initially flawed experience. Even smoothness aside, do you forget about the random reboots and instability that occurred for some six times or more a day for ,months till 4.2.2?

Basically what you are saying is, its okay that this tablet is not good out of the box because I can do Googles job for them.
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
I never had issues out of the box. I love my n10, and I have no problems with Google. Sucks you are unhappy with yours, buy I don't have your problems and I will never see it your way.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Then you kind of are in agreement. The stock experience isn't great.."buy a name brand or Apple..."

The argument isn't what you can do to it to make it better. It is that the baseline should be far better than it is.

This other argument about what you can do because it is a nexus is a distraction at this point. Everyone already knows that.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
This is the battery life I get out of my iPad at half brightness. I have zero idea how you get this on the Nexus 10. Medium brightness and I get 4 and a half hours of screen on time.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Enigma .. i respect you but not everybody has this luck like you and i m shure others have . i think liar google made half of the products ok and half bad .

i have done all the tweaks possible to squize more battery from this and i only get : 5 hours max with 30% battery , 0 apps in background , ktmanta and mr. rob aokp.

my out of the box :

4 hours of screen time ( i get 5 with enigma,kt manta and mr robinson help )

hdmi not working ( no resolve )

screen bleeding ( no resolve )

not smooth scrooling ( i need to enable force gpu from developer )

restarting , freezing ( things are a little better with the help of dev but stilli get restars )

its inacceptable and i have to warn others about the problems may have beacause its more frustrating that can get a defective product from this giant and not have power to get respect from it if you are addressing to them . ( see " RMA battery adventure " topic)

Im shure that you have a perfect device but there are people sad beacuse of the different problems with it . And they have priority to say what are the problems and what we want in the future from this lier manufacturers not that here and there are one product that its ok , like should all musted be .

Google must assume this issues and make better producs in the future , because people pay for this . Its not a gambling game .

my respect goes to apple for the care about the clients and almost perfect quality products .

my likes goes to android ecosistem, including the work of the developers .

my dissapointment goes to google and samsung .
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
today i have bet my personal screen on record !! 15% brightness

google you suck for selling crap to the people ...
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
Sorry if you guys think this is rude but you are all just uneducated consumers. The nexus brand has unlocked bootloaders for a reason. They are meant to be modified. If you don't have the knowledge and or balls to unlock and modify it then don't complain. If you want to just take it out of the box and use it then get a Sony/Samsung/Asus BRAND tablet, or even an IPad. This is the equivalent of building your own PC and then complaining because you have to put it together, and install the OS / drivers yourself.

Most of the reviews I read said pretty plainly that this tablet is not for the average user. It is a plain vanilla Android experience and if you want a themed finished product then get something else. This was cheap considering what you get for hardware, Google didn't make a profit off of it, and they would have charged a lot more if they had to put in any development time on the software. If you want 10 hours screen on time grab a custom ROM/kernel. If you want it smooth tweak it. You have the power to create your own user experience and if you choose not to then it is just unnecessary complaining.

I don't know how I could put it any more plainly.
[Nexus 10 General] codewisp:
I really don't have issues with my Nexus 10. Lag is on a per-app basis, regardless of kernel/ROM choice some apps are really poorly made. I just have a question: Does the Nexus 7 perform better than the Nexus 10 when both are completely stock?

If it does, then that's my main issue. They should be releasing stuff that work equally well when completely stock.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
This is not the same as building your own computer. I have my own desktop that I built. This is the same as buying a prebuilt computer and then needing to deal with all of the original OEM issues yourself. You cannot make that comparison until you are capable of building your tablet. I also do not see where you are getting cheaper from. With tax and shipping its $450, just $50 short of going into an Apple store and picking up a solid aluminum iPad 4.

I have the knowledge of modifying it myself, however I choose not to on principle. As I said before, something should be functional before you root it and install custom roms. The fact that this thing was unusable until 4.2.2 is unacceptable. I am not paying almost the same price as the iPad to need to fix all of the problems myself.

And please, find me the rom and kernel that will give me smoothness and 13 hours of screen on time at medium brightness. Because as I have said, I unlocked and rooted my second Nexus 10 and installed around 4-5 roms on it with similar performance and results to the stock experience.

---------- Post added at 05:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:51 PM ----------

I also noticed that the picture you posted only shows screen on time and nothing else. Could have easily kept charging it to 90% until it reached that number which would sort of disprove that very unrealistic photo.
[Nexus 10 General] samwheat:
Brees , how many times should i repeat to you ?

i pay 600$ ( in my case ) on something that it s not like says on the description man .

i use a custom rom aokp .

i use kt manta kernel

i use advanced settings

nothing seems to make this like you say here ( at last 6 hours of screen time - google says 7 wifi on etc.) ... even like says in the reviews .

if the thing its ok in your case doesnt mean its ok to everybody else . its about problems man .

i think its better for you to go and kiss google b t on other forum . this its troublesooting topic...
[Nexus 10 General] situman:
Latest rasbeanjelly and morfic. Interactive/row and smooth as butter. Always. No stability issues too.
[Nexus 10 General] EniGmA1987:
My 13 hour screen time was from a full charge down to 13% in one day. Here is another time I took a screenshot that is of about a week long period on a single charge and still getting 8 hours or so of screen on time.
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
What is your brightness level? I cannot stand any less than 50% brightness or the screen is difficult to see in daylight or brightly lit rooms.
[Nexus 10 General] brees75:
I have used the same ROM and kernel combo and I get 10 hours screen on with auto-brightness. I also use my own custom tweaks. I could have made your tablet perform the same if you just asked for the tweaks instead of whining about it.

I use auto-brightness with the same battery life as his. Probably what he is using too.