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[Nexus 4 General] Clark Joseph Kent:
[INDEX][REPO]Google Nexus 4 - ROMs, Kernels, MODs, Recoveries

[INFO] Nexus OTA Help-Desk

[DISCUSSION] Google Nexus 4 vs any other phone

Nexus 4 Color Settings [spreadsheet]

Possible MAJOR discovery regarding battery/red lite issue.

[Video Guide] My Super User Friendly Nexus 4 Root Guide

[HOW-TO] How to flash a factory image / return to stock / unlock / root #

[REF] Nexus 4 Stock OTA URLs

[REF] [RADIO] Mako modem collection

[REF] "Android for the Nexus 4" 101 & FAQs

[REF] Nexus 4: Technical Specification Breakdown | Last Updated 20th Nov 12

[GUIDE] kk 4.4 early stage guide | please read before posting in kk rom threads

[How-To] Root and unlock the bootloader without wiping data
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bubu_bubu:
I have a S2 16gb with 11.5gb usable "usb internal storage". Will Htc One have at least 28gb?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shasarak:
It's about 26GB.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bubu_bubu:
Jesus 6gb used?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vizzy:
Indeed this has been confirmed. Bearing in mind if you install a custom Rom you can probs decrease this amount.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dharkan:
It is fine in my opinion. Most of the apps you install goes into that occupied 6 gigs anyway :)
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bubu_bubu:
I would get the 64gb version but I don't think the carriers in my country will have it:(
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shasarak:
No, storage is unified: apps go in the 26. (I think).
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dharkan:
Oh if that's the case it really don't make much sense. I mean what would they use 6 gigs for, I don't believe smartphones are getting that big updates.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RCJ89:
26.1gb is free to be precise lol and 1.5gb RAM
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] voltron2k11:
source of your information?

If it has 2 partitions and one acts like the onboard (6gigs), and the other one (26) acts like a sd or whatever it would be ok ..

otherwise it's just like with the surface tablets .. well not quite as bad, but still a bit silly^^
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] YoungAceAtlanta:
If im correct on my HTC One X which was 32GB, i only had 22GB free after jelly bean update and 6GB or so for apps..

so the apps and sd storage is split
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Riyal:
Wrong :)

Got this from the stock recovery posted here on dev section when I extracted it.

# mount point	fstype	device	[device2]

/boot	emmc	boot
/cache	ext4	cache
/data	ext4	userdata
/misc	emmc	misc
/recovery	emmc	recovery
/sdcard	vfat	/dev/block/sda1	/dev/block/sda
/system	ext4	system
/devlog	ext4	devlog
/reserve	vfat	reserve

Shows that /data(userdata) partition where apps get's installed has a seperation partition that needs to be mounted. So nope it's not unified.

and yeah for the developers who plan on extracting kernels/recovery of HTC One here are the info you need.

BOARD_KERNEL_CMDLINE is "console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8 androidboot.hardware=m7 user_debug=31"

BOARD_KERNEL_BASE is "0x80600000"

BOARD_PAGE_SIZE is "2048"
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leohdz148:
26 gigs is more than enough for me, I take up 5 to 6 on music alone and the rest on pictures and videos taken on phone, not much is taken with apps downloaded at the most 1gb so I'm quite comfortable with the amount of space on the phone although it would be awesome to have 28 or 29gb free

P.s. I do listen to all that music that takes up 5 to 6gb of space on my current phone in case some of you are wondering whether I listen to most of it wasting space on all that music

Sent from my HTC One S
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Riyal:
I think it would be possible to repartition the /system partition to reduce it's size and merge it with the sdcard partition. Depends on the partition table. But if it's not possible I think we could also split the system partition and make a sd-ext there instead. But of course that's very dangerous and is not recommended on average users.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shasarak:
I stand corrected.

Though, also a little surprised. Weren't HTC's flagship phones last year unified? That seems a retrograde step.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JmJ17:
In HOX the memory WAS NOT unified.

Anybody knows how many storage is free for apps?

P.D. Sorry, I reply to the post before full read the thread. Cancelling my reservation.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Riyal:
Wild guess is 2GB.

2GB data partition

12mb devlog

17mb kernel

17mb recovery

120mb cache

rest is system partition
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jags_the1:
On my one x i had around 11 usable, and i still have 2 gb free. so if i get the one , ill have around 17 gb of free space :D holy moly .. what can i do with so much free space, can i rent it out? :)
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Riyal:
give it to me :D I need more extra space.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dr. lele:
That's awful. Why did they go back from the awesome unified space in the HOX+. Thats was so great. If you had free space you could install apps. If the One really has an apps partition again, I'm going to have to move apps to sd-card again the whole time :(

Why did they make a step backwards?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sindroid:
26GB is enough for me as well. I don´t watch movies that much and i frequently change out my music from time to time. I really don´t know what i need all this space for. However, there is no pre-order on the 64gb here. I wonder why.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lan99:
That's a ton for such a small little thing! Windows 7 on my desktop doesn't even consume 6 Gigs.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] electrash:
I got xperia s with 32gb.

Around 26GB is acting like SD card (music, videos, picture, and big file games)

And internal stotage is 4GB (for apps)

Probably 2gb is for system it self.

Sent from my LT26i
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] voltron2k11:
since you can connect an external memory stick/ harddrive or whatever via usb, I would love to see somebody build a battery+memory case :D
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] runwaypimp:
Will installing a custom ROM recover the reserved space?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Okaay:
Yeah it's around 26 Gigs.I have 800pics and 2k songs on mine with 13 GB still left. More manufacturers need to make 32 a standard, once again a reason I bought the ONE, HTC is pushing the envelope and forcing innovation and competition!
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bubu_bubu:
So 6 gb is for os and apps? Do you know how much is for apps exactly?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] jumper62:
Could anyone try to port this? This is Walkman for GB

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=31242893
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] kyucosta:
Love to see this working on ace some day... ive see it on minipro it as amazing efects and nice surround... lets hope some dev as the same opinion....
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] EvilKing009:
I don't think so that it will work because xperia go is an Armv7 device and it requires Xperia framework to run.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] Venomous Viper 119:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2160953

The exact same player you are talking about but works on cm10.1 & not GB.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] jumper62:
We could still port it. Timescape, walkman, they required framework mods
[Android General] Mattix724:
All of this that you mention can be done. Not necessarily from pure vanilla AOSP Android. But you can do all of this with the power of custom ROMs such as CyanogenMod.

User data is stored in the /data partition. Apps can be found in /data/app and app data is found in /data/data

You can disable background data using an app that needs root access. There are many available on the Play Store.

You can control an apps permissions, again with an app that needs root access. Found on the Play Store.
[Android General] Old faithful:
And that is the beauty of Android :)

Great to know! But you must admit that having to ask, or more precisely not being told where it is, is disturbing! Because what is more important than your data? WHY does it have to be so difficult to get to it? Why the secrecy? Don't users deserve to know where their files are and be able to select where to store them? Why am I not AUTOMATICALLY given the CHOICE as to its name and its location on my device?

True, but why is such an essential function NOT part of the OS and what more, why does it require the user to VIOLATE his warranty (by rooting) to do so? Don't you see what's WRONG with this?

Again, I understand; but doing so often breaks the apps. WHY do we need these permissions IMPOSED upon us in the first place? Doesn't it strike you as WRONG that so many apps need to access your most private information?

And coming back to the Google Play Store: I've used my device for two months and had to wipe it clean TWICE already and EVERY TIME because the Play Store refused to work anymore! Don't you think there's something wrong with this picture? Doesn't it hint at some homeland-security-esque infiltration deep into the OS from the part of Google?

***

In any case, I thank you for pointing out the practical solutions and workarounds and for getting the ball rolling, so to speak; but my point was more philosophical: WHY should we have to essentially "fight system" with these workarounds to do such straightforward things as as saving documents in a place of the user's choosing, being able to transfer files directly to his PC and being able to keep user privacy?

doesn't that bother anyone?

Shouldn't Android become more open and accessible as a platform that truly empowers its users and leave Apple and Microsoft to cater to those who couldn't be bothered?

Looking forward to your answers!
[Android General] bbrad:
I sware people will complain nomatter what

Sent by Hellybelly 4.2.2
[Android General] Old faithful:
Disabling Background Data Completely?

OK, so I have looked very extensively, spending hours searching for a way to disable background data and although they are many ways to do so when on cellular data, short of shutting off WiFi altogether, I have not found any discussion, much less a way to do so completely when on WiFi.

One of my concerns is to know WHY background data is even required, because shutting off all data connections certainly does not prevent my apps from working , even those that do require data such as weather, email and news. I just want to be able to fetch the data I need and have total control over what I broadcast, especially what goes on in the background without my explicit knowledge.

So the question remains: short of shutting off data altogether, how can I disable background data completely?

Wouldn't it be possible to either fake a connection so as to fool the system into thinking there is a connection for its hidden background processes, or to wake a connection up on demand when initiating querries and put it to sleep immediately after the answer has arrived?
[Android General] zelendel:
A simple data firewall program will take care of that. It will allow you to control what and when things get a data connection.
[Android General] Old faithful:
Hmmm... I'm using Avast and its firewall doesn't have the option to turn off background data on Wi-Fi, it's either turn off Wi-Fi or not, no option to just turn off background data and leave access to foreground data. I've tried a few other apps that don't have this option either; it's all or nothing.

Do you know of any apps that have that granular choice? Could you suggest a few?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 2
[Android General] edscholl:
what sort of background data do you want to disable? regarding weather, email, and news, turn off auto sync (disable it all, or by program).
[Android General] Old faithful:
Precisely ... WHAT sort of background data needs to go on anyway?

Fetching the weather info takes up a few tens of KB. What then does it need to transfer megabytes in the background for then? My wife's weather widget in particular has used over 200 MB over the past month in background data whereas it has only needed a couple of megs to update itself! Doesn't that seem exaggerated?

My point is, what is background data needed for when these apps work perfectly well on demand with a tiny fraction of the bandwidth? Why is there no disclosure what exactly it is used for, if shutting data off when not in use has absolutely no detrimental effect on the function of the app, in other words, what's really going on?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 2
[Android General] Konvey:
Count your blessings!

I agree with you to some extent. Of course, you can do anything with root access, but why isn't this right here in front of me out of the box. With my Galaxy S III, managing the file system is a pain, and considering my USB Sync cable doesn't work long enough to make file transfers of 100MB+, this is a real problem. I don't want everything in the cloud, I want it here. I don't have internet (fast data speeds, at the least) everywhere. I would hope that Android advances with these features. I also wish there was a way, out of the box with skinned (by carrier or manufacturer) devices that you could disable all skins and themes and use the glorious Stock Android.

Seriously though, count your blessings, at least you're not using iOS! :p
[Android General] edscholl:
So shut sync off if you prefer. I like my apps up to date when I wake my phone, but nobody is going to force you to keep sync on. This is such a non-issue.

As for weather, I guess it depends what app she's using. Looks like my weather widget used less than 1mb of data in the last month...
[Android General] Old faithful:
Background Data Implications

On my device, with sync off, background data off, I still get 119 KB foreground, 2.33 MB in the background for the past week, on WiFi, whcih I already turn off most of the time, because it's the only way I have found so far to stop the data leak.

I understand this may be a non issue for folks who have gigabytes of bandwidth a month and don't pay $50 per megabyte off contract like we do or $10 for 100MB, but my concern is deeper than that: what's happening in the background? Why do YOU implicitly trust what's happening in the background without full disclosure?

Also, regarding the voracity of Android for data, when I was on windows mobile with push email on a four hour basis, I used to use no more than a few MB per month, and that was with cellular data on at all times and I'd hardly use more than 50MB per month browsing on wap sites which did a great job of cutting out the non-content garbage that is so prevalent on regular 'full' sites these days.

I understand this may seem like a non-issue to those for whom data is plentiful and cheap, and that most of you implicitly trust what apps do with your data in the background, but to find this being dismissed is deeply worrisome to me: why SHOULD we trust Google and others corporations with our personal information, without even as much as a look at what's being transferred and for what reason? Doesn't that disturb anyone at all???

In any case, thank you for answering and keeping the debate open, so to speak.
[Android General] TEXASMADE1978:
To turn off background data go to settings, select Data Usage, press menu button and the check the restrict background data check box.
[Android General] TEXASMADE1978:
You can go even further and customize each apps background data usage from the same screen.
[Android General] TEXASMADE1978:
Sorry, just saw where you were talking about background data via WiFi....:banghead:
[Android General] edscholl:
So what apps are using data? Why don't you turn off background data if you care? Heck, turn off WiFi and mobile networks when thou don't want to sync if you're worried about leakage.

You implicitly trust apps with some data access when you install it, with the specific access given to you. If you think otherwise, your fooling yourself. I'm not sure why foreground vs background data makes much difference to you once you've trusted the app with data access anyway- it's not like it tells you how much data it's going to use per network transaction if you manually tell it to update...

50mb a month... I'm not sure I'd bother with a smartphone if I used data so little.

We trust them because it makes our lives simpler, and quite frankly, most of us really aren't doing anything all that interesting with our data and Google and others really aren't interested in your personal info (not to be mistaken for an assertion that they're not interested in serving up ads relevant to you). But there's certainly a tradeoff. If you're not comfortable with it, turn it all off, or don't use a smartphone - nobody will hold it against thou. :)
[Android General] Old faithful:
If you can direct me to an app that allows me to COMPLETELY

shut off background data for all apps including the OS

, for any type of connection,

incuding

WiFi, I wouldn't be so concerned, but I have looked for the past two months now and found nothing so far that does that, even the acclaimed Droidwall can't turn background data off, even when everything is turned off, meaning, NO data access whatsoever: the bloody "OS Services" still happily does its thing in the backrground, and there is no way to find out what it does (I tried tPacketCapture - I only get 24 byte long files that I can't read anything out of)

Since it would seem that the problem is deep within the operating system, it would seem that the only way to completely shut off background data would be to give a local host redirect for every BACKGROUND process, such as what is possible in Windows using a 127.0.0.1 riderect. Since I'm a newbie when it comes to Android I don't know how to do it, but surely there must be a way, or a way to connect to WiFi only on demand?

Exactly. I am still looking for a file explorer with the functionality of my old Norton File Manager (remember that one?). I can't understand why the so-called 'expert' ones such as Root Explorer don't have accessible sorting features (why hide it in settings? Isn't that a basic, essential feature of any file management system to be able to sort based on these common criteria?).

Furthermore, I'd love nothing more than being able to swipe left from the home screen directly into the file system for direct access to shortcuts, packages and data, and to be able to specify where the OS shoudl store MY data (instead of keeping it hidden as is most often the case).

I couldn't agree more, I'll never have an Apple product in my house, no need to say more, we all know about Apple's control of its users and tyrannical ways. George Orwell had it mostly right, but where he failed is where Big Brother would come from: Not the government. Or perhaps we should say that Major Corporations, through the power of their lobbies, have indeed become the de-facto Government ;).
[Android General] Old faithful:
Thanks again for your answer, Ed.

Shutting WiFi off after use is what I've been doing of late, but it's an uphill battle. The minute I turn WiFi back on, the OS, like a ravenous dog, immediately gets into background data mode, trumping the foreground querries by volume. But it's a start :)

Yes, but to see the data exchange so lopsided (most of it being background) is what makes me wonder what it really does. Perhaps it can be trusted but what bothers me is these apps don't tell you what they really do 'for you' in background mode and why they need so much bandwidth... I mean, how much data is required to transmit temperatures, weather conditions and the such? Heck any update would surely fit in a sub KB transmission even for 3 or 4 cities like I have in my setup...

To each his own, Ed. When data costs $10 for 100MB and the most you can get is 1GB for $60 (or as low as $30 on promo), you quickly come to your senses. That's, of course, another issue altogether.

Fact is, apart from media such as youtube and other streaming sites, text based information (or information update using apps that are supposed to have built in presentation such as snow fluries for "snow") should require very little data, typically 1KB per full size page. You have to admit that something is wrong with this picture that when I read a 500 word article it requires the same amount of bandwidth as the contents of a whole book!

They do make our lives simpler and there is a trade-off, agreed. The point I make is where the line should be crossed. Are we willing to get shoved with 99% non content garbage in order to access the remaining 1% meaningful content? Because that is certainly the going rate for full websites such as cnet, tech republic and others, and when looking at background data on Android, at least from my perspective. I was online back in 1993 when the www started (before on Co$tly Compuserve) and with the limited technology we had at the time we could get access to more meaningful content faster than we can now, and with very, very limited bandwidth!

Ok, ok, enough of the oldtimer rant ;) Maybe you are right and I'm just an old fool. But I'd rather be considered an old fool for asking stupid questions than to accept it all without any question ;)
[Android General] edscholl:
and as I said, my weather widget uses (beautiful widgets) like 1mb a month. On my phone, the HTC sense widget uses like 5mb.

So if your weather app - again, what apps, specifically, are you having issues with? - is using hundreds of MBS, maybe it's doing a lot more (like live radar or videos), or maybe it's just crap and you should uninstall it.

You are tilting at windmills. The average page size is pushing 1.5mb, and was more than 1k back in the Netscape beta days (15k average ~1995).

It's not uncommon for a http HEADER to be bigger than 1k.

Your looking at the past through rose colored glasses if you remember more meaningful content being available in 1993. In mid 1993, there were 130 webpages, total. End of 1993, around 1000. End of 1994, around 10000. And a lot of them were useless crap that students were putting up (I know, I was one of them). :)

It's not about accepting it without question. It's mainly you haven't given much specifics, so the only general answer is, well, it's for convenience, so turn off your data if you're worried. The details you did give - email and weather - it's very clear why they would use background data.

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Regarding your other points:

That you didn't know where it was doesn't mean it is hidden or a secret; guidelines are published and clear, and apps generally follow them. You're not given a choice in name and location for simplicity.

Commonly claimed, but rooting does not void your warranty. Problems you cause by rooting will do not need to be honored by the warranty.

No app imposes anything on you - apps require the permissions they do and they're spelled out before you install. Don't install apps that required permissions thou don't like.

Sounds like your phone is broken. Get a replacement under warranty.