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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
I don't doubt that a great many users have used PC Odin without issue.....that point is not in dispute.

And yes....PC Odin does have it's uses.......

BUT.....it seems that it is being used regardless.....there are other equally valid and SAFER methods available for rooting and flashing software to your phone. Don't forget that the connection between PC and phone relies on the flawless operation of the USB socket....a number of XDAers will testify that their USB socket functions less than flawlessly and according to my research this problem IS becoming more commonplace. Let's face it....if the USB socket fails during a flash, it's usually bad news for the phone....so YES it IS safer to use CWM or Mobile Odin for day to day flashing.....I don't know about you, but I've NEVER come across a thread where cwm or mobile Odin were cited as the reason for a bricked phone.....Odin on the other hand........

And [MENTION=4330322]MistahBungle[/MENTION]....I for one don't appreciate being called hysterical just because my opinion differs from yours.....nor do I appreciate you saying that I have an IQ of less than 25 (different thread). So please refrain from throwing personal insults as nobody is throwing them at you........

Edit.....circle jerk?.....is that REALLY what you think is going on here?

Damn.....

Yet another insult from someone who obviously rates increasing his post count more important than contributing anything constructive......
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
Maybe pc odin should come with an 18 rating,or use with parental guidance.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jahlee:
dude..can i join u all for a moment..:p

my first phone was a galaxy w 'once'..in 2011 back then...i dont have a pc.,nor a laptop..just with a humble phone with mobile data connected..and my first move to rooting my phone..lucky samsung have a stock recovery, and then,googling session begin...first attempt was fail..i hve a bootloop..and many more..thats nightmare teach me a lot..1 month later,i have a CWM 3.x(latest back then)...a custom kernel,custom rom,...i dont even plug my phone to usb~>pc..and detected by ODIN..!using my phone for a year..40+ custom kernel/rom flashed..man..thats was a hard yet a glorious era for me....my phone is all i need.mobile+pc(mini)+movie+music+learning platform+etc etc...etc...

but now I'm on SONY.:p

(my g W was stolen)

and u all guys now that sony have to rely on flashtool(PC) to flashing kernel and ftf....yet its more reliable than odin..:p

sent from another space
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
Lol... [MENTION=4484008]theunderling[/MENTION] I think that's taking things a bit far.....but in essence, you're right.... most noobs rush into things without reading the available information across all the relevant threads....we all know this.....

We need to find a way to highlight the inherent risks of Odin flashing so that these noobs have as much knowledge as possible before they rush in and bork their phones.........
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jahlee:
patient and curiosity is the most to jump in this rooting world.(am i rite?)most people want root/custom rom their device..but,dont know a hell what they are doing..i have read some post that odin cause a bad thing to their device when improper flasing have executed...

man..just keep this in mind

"google is yours only best friend"

edit: i once hard bricked my device after installing my first custom rom with a wrong zip(another phone rom)thru rom manager..lol...

but this is nothing to do with odin huh?:p

just share my idiot move experience when not googling first.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
I own the W too.......

And every modification I've ever made to it has been done using.......

Stock recovery

Terminal Emulator

CWM

The only time I ever plugged the W into a PC was to tether or to transfer music and films to it.......
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jahlee:
hahaha..hola my fella w..(but i dont own w now:()

yeah..u rite..our device is everything that we need..no pc,no odin.!lol

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Thread soon to be locked I think. [MENTION=4369834]jahlee[/MENTION] your more than welcome on any thread on xda Mate. Glad to see some one else on here that don't rely on Odin and study's before they do. Keith you know I agree with you cuz your right. Mb now the names to me!! Don't no what I'm doing hahaha. I Ent had to use Odin......

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
I do agree with that too.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jahlee:
haha..me too..lol..parental guidance.!! before entering odin,an extra link to HOW-TO-DO,wiki,(no skip) and a captcha.:D

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
If people feel so strongly against pc odin,then create a topic to be stickied about only use pc odin in an emergency.

Use recovery>cwm>mobile odin pro instead for flashing.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Good point,mite do that.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gastonw:
Ban the kids so I can swear.

Sent from...this is not even my S2
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Lol

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
It's not a case of being AGAINST odin.....

More a case of......

USE WITH CAUTION.......

Sent from my rooted, de bloated, stock JB powered S2 via PhilZ kernel and XDA developers app
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
You dont like odin keith because you couldnt manage to get your phone to connect to it lol.

And andrew says he hates it and says its only for useless idiots etc to use.That is people being against it lol.

And can you confirm youve never used it lol......

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
Ok....so....

Galaxy W.....never used it....

My instincts told me not to trust it and I couldn't get it to work anyway

Galaxy Tab 2.7....used it to root....

Only because I couldn't find a non odin way to do it....most tense 2 minutes of my life

Wifes S2....tried it once to recover an unbootable phone.....FAIL.....

CWM factory reset sorted it (luckily)

My S2....used it once to reflash a firmware with success......after I'd been 'over zealous' with system wipes and erased my rom, all my nandroids and all my photos, videos and other files.

I've used android devices for 18 months, but my odin usage has been confined to the last 3 months....and even only then as a last resort.

So, as I've said all the way through this thread.....odin does have it's uses, but it shouldn't be automatically treated as a FIRST resort. I still maintain that there are equally valid and (yes) safer methods for flashing a phone which imo should be considered before odin.......

Sent from my rooted, de bloated, stock JB powered S2 via PhilZ kernel and XDA developers app
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Oi oi I never said that word "idiots" did I. Iv said before maybe not on this thread but I may have to use it one day. I don't like it cuz you need a Pc. I don't have one atm so for me I'm against it. I have my phone and network data that's all. And that's all I need. This thread is about who hasn't needed odin. Now its turning into something else. Had bad flashes,bootloops,Nand fails and I didn't need it. That's what my point is.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
But then why was this created?.To me its basically your expecting some legendary status because you dont/never used it,and/or you are "disrespecting" the program and people who use it(q.useless users).

You are welcome to point out the dangers of using odin unprepared,but theres more problems for people dropping/losing phones when pissed,and when they are beside water than odin mucking up phones.

Ive also seen loads of cases of bricked phones when people say it happened in the middle of the night.

And I love pc odin,its rescued my phone several times lol
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Should read before flashing then you wont need it. You two have turned this into something else not me. For the program yes it does what its ment to do. :thumbup:The cases of "my phone died in the middle of the night syndrome " is not reading fully. Have you ever read that say neat Rom killed my phone or alliance Rom. No. Its kernel related so that means not reading. Have you ever heard that about dorimanx kernel? No. People seem fine when they flash siyah on cm based Rom until it wont wake up. Bad case of not reading again. Can I ask you why did you use Odin? What was the reasons for it? I'm not even going to start about random Pc/laptop shutting down for no reason half way through a flash

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
I used odin on one occasion when mobile odin pro screwed up a modem flash,no bootup or recovery.

Ive had cases about connection issues/failed flashes and unbooting phone after successful flashes,but them problems are simple to fix.

On a side note then,what do you think of someone like "theaethiest" saying "root by flashing siyah rooted kernel via pc odin".

Would that be bad advice since pc odin can brick phones.Or since exynos/framaroot or using stock recovery gets you rooted,why risk using pc odin.

I try to tell people to have pc odin set up at the ready in case they need it.

Maybe keithharris could comment on that too.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Its safer to use philz through stock recovery I think.to use Odin to root to me is a bad idea. Pls don't bring other people into this. Like iv said I will prob one day have to use it. But till then I don't like the idea of using it. To recommend having it set up on your Pc is a good idea. Just in case.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
Keith Harris?.....I had hoped you wouldn't sink to the same level as other posters....oh well

I still maintain my position.....but I'll clarify still further......

1) use non Odin methods (wherever possible) for rooting and basic day to day flashing.

2) use Odin only if......

A) the package you have decided to use is 'Odin only'

(At this point, I personally would begin to give serious consideration to the non Odin alternatives)

B) you've borked your phone and there's no possibility to cwm or nandroid your way out of trouble.

I'm not trying to ridicule the advice of members more senior and experienced than I.....all I am trying to say is that there are alternatives to Odin, and maybe they shouldn't be dismissed as readily as they seem to be.

As I have previously said, I HAVE used Odin on my S2.....but luckily not to recover from a brick....it was used to recover from a (stupidly) wiped OS and wiped backup situation.......

So like I keep on saying.....yes it does have it's uses

BUT....and this will remain my opinion.......it should be seen as a repair tool rather than a general flashing tool.....
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
Sorry it was a typpo as Ive just woken up.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gastonw:
Now this was nice, who won?

CWM or Odin?

Sent from...this is not even my S2
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
Lol Gaston......talk about a loaded question......

especially when most of your comments seem to appear on the mobile Odin thread.... :D

I don't think there is a clear winner in this little debate......

People are going to have their own opinions no matter what anybody else says.......
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gauravgymnast08:
Hii guys

My device only detected by Odin in download mode

But when my device on then Odin not detect?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
If you turn your phone on odin wont detect it but does when in download mode. Do you understand what your doing? Are you trying to flash with Odin?

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
No disrespect to anyone......

But.....

I rest my case.......!

Sent from my rooted, de bloated, stock JB powered S2 via PhilZ kernel and XDA developers app
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
I think he's taking the Pi.. tbh. Must be :)

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gastonw:
Of course there's no clear winner, it's not even a competition.

You guys went at it as it was your chance to settle for a way to flash.

Andy here hates stock, so of course he -might- doesn't like Odin. Why you want odin when you got CWM?

I, on the other hand, don't like plugging my device to the PC, at all.

And I don't like custom.

CWM is pretty cool tho.

Once you're rooted and got a couple of 50 gb Dropbox accounts you don't kinda need it.

Sent from...this is not even my S2
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gauravgymnast08:
I didn't flash with Odin when my device on.

I just want to know why is not detecting

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When you want go back to stock then you need Odin or mobile Odin and when the device bricked then you need Odin coz Odin is only d way to unbrick your device
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
My first point. U don't no how to use Odin so don't use it till you have read about it.

my second point. You don't need Odin to have stock.

Pls read the threads about Odin and how it works. This is not a thread about that. This is about who hasn't use Odin and only used phone and network to gain root and flash roms. Non Odin :thumbup:
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gastonw:
We don't brick phones cuz we know what we're doing.

Sent from...this is not even my S2
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gauravgymnast08:
Ok thanks bro :)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jahlee:
sent from my rusty katana
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
Lmao......ultimate facepalm.....no words needed :D

Sent from my rooted, de bloated, stock JB powered S2 via PhilZ kernel and XDA developers app
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jahlee:
the fact; its really hard to 'brick' you device when you LEARN, READ and make GOOGLE as your best friend,not facebook..

sent from my rusty katana
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
One thing I dislike more than Odin...FACEBOOK!! What a load of sh1t that is.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithross39:
Lol....AKA bi*chbook, two faced book, troll book.....I could go on.....and on.....and on......

Sent from my rooted, de bloated, stock JB powered S2 via PhilZ kernel and XDA developers app
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Same here mate. Hate hate hate it. I could go on for days about it. But I wont :thumbup::D
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] Kappreh:
I tried everything. Typing ADB Kill-server, adb start-server, adb device, it still didn't show my device. Installed the latest driver for HTC, still didn't work. I'm trying to get Adb shell to work so I can install int2ext+ properly (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1859691)

Do I have any other options to do to get it to work?

CM9B14
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] mr_verystock:
HTC Sync mode when connected to pc.

Enable Android Devoeloper Bridge. --> Settings --> Developer Option --> Android Devoeloper Bridge (select)
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] Kappreh:
Thank you, I will now try this.
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] nit_in:
Install proper driver for your device

Search htc driver setup on google ,download it and install it

Then try to connect your device
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] rjcrystal199:
hi friends i was wondering that how much times we can flash a rom to our phone, there has to be a limit right as the rom we use is technically eeprom i.e. electrically erasable programmable read only memory. i think it should be around 200-400 right
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] Blue3125:
Oh ! Never knew we got limit on flashing roms !

**** I've already flashed about 120-140 times different backups and roms ,

I wonder what will happen if I go on flashing roms and reaches the limit ?

Via HTC Sense
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] shortyoko:
I've beat 200 long time ago so........ if there is some kind of limitation should be somewhere around 2000 or more.

Now don't get me wrong about the count, just think about it, flashing of whatever rom there contains at least 2 flashes for me, that's the minimum.

Example with NExt Gen and Miui, both of them have gaaps.

1-st flash -> superwipe.

2-nd flash-> rom.

And what about roms that have some kind of 'fix' or 'patch', or lack of inbuilt gaaps(or both of this things), that's at least 3-rd flash. Another thing, sometimes rom loops somewhere, that's at least 2 more flashes (that was mandatory in the start, Jaggy 2.x always stucked on white screen for me).

So have fun and flash whatever you want, the limit is more than 200
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] pravakarthami:
its been more than 1 year that I'm using Pico and I have flashed 150-200 times during the time. No problem at all. When I searched in google I found that flash drives can be formatted 10000 times...... so no worries I guess
[HTC Pico (Explorer)] redguardsoldier:
If you are worried about the wear out effect flashing ROM, you should know that every partitions of our phone are on a NAND chip :highfive:. Which mean that installing/uninstalling apps have same effect as flashing ROM (maybe less stressful :D). And basically using your phone everyday will erase/rewrite somethings on the EEROM :laugh:.

So don't worry and just go ahead trying ROM as you like. Just make sure to don't stress your phone too much to not make it hot. I think the damage that heat can cause (especially on the battery) is ways greater than the damage of wearing out the NAND flash :laugh:.
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
I tried so many things. I have an Amaze 4G on Wind

I have S-ON.

With booloader locked:

- I ran a RUU as ph85img.exe, however I got the error that the RUU version is too old (1.4 something) while my phone's version is 2. something

- I ran an OTA by uploading it to the SD card as ph85img.zip, however it first goes through loading "ph85img.zip" while a blue bar is loading then it goes to "checking php85img.zip" while a yellow bar is loading and then it just returns to the bootloader screen. No update happened.

- I tried to flash the system.img of the RUU in cmd fastboot however it says that signature cannot be verified

WIth bootloader unlocked:

- ph85img.exe will fail due to unkown error

- OTA as ph85img.zip does the loading part, then it goes checking and quick it says parsing, but it returns back to the bootloader screen.

Right now I thought maybe i needed to do a gold card but I cant adb my phone only fastboot. Anyway to reverse the CID without adb?

Anyways, been on this soft-brick for so many hours and I feel like I tried everything. Help is greatly appreciated.
[HTC Amaze 4G] jauhien:
1. What Android OS before this softbrick happened - ICS or GB?

2. What custom recovery do you have there installed?
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
1. ICS

2. Was doing the CWM initially.

However, thing is this, when I unlocked my bootloader which was the first step I did, I could not access the recovery screen. Then I did a factory reset and that didn't work either. And now I can only access the bootloader and that's it. And I researched and tried some of the stuff I said in the main post.
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
OK! I got CWM to work. I am in its recovery menu.
[HTC Amaze 4G] jauhien:
4EXT recovery >> S-OFF >> SuperCID >> ROM of your choice (Could begin with Energy Blue dated August 6th - as it is the only ROM which is FULLY functional and operational..)
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
I am running the 4EXT recovery from the all in one kit, however the command prompt says < waiting for device >, however if I do adb devices I can see it there.

NVM have to be in the bootloader. Will update ...

UPDATE

I got 4EXT now. How do I S-OFF? I can't do the all in one kit as I don't have an ICS or JB installed.

ALSO. I cannot mount for example the /internal_sdcard
[HTC Amaze 4G] jauhien:
AIO has command "boot into recovery" though.. you'll get two answers with one command..
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
Sorry, I updated that post.

Here's the update:

I got 4EXT now. How do I S-OFF? I can't do the all in one kit as I don't have an ICS or JB installed.

ALSO. I cannot mount for example the /internal_sdcard
[HTC Amaze 4G] daorderdillon:
S-off instructions

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1694351
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
I need a stock RUU installed as I have none right now, but my first post explains that I tried so many ways to get one installed.
[HTC Amaze 4G] jauhien:
Format the Internal SD in 4EXT recovery..

P.S. And if you can't mount the internal SD by means of 4EXT then please also try to do so in TWRP Recovery...
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
K, that worked. It is now mounted.

So now I want to load an RUU. I go into the bootloader with my PH85IMG.zip, it goes throughthe loading PH85IMG.zip and then it does CHECKING then PARSING and goes back to bootloader. The bootloader is unlocked during this process.

However, even when locked it does the same thing only when it is unlocked it doesnt say "PARSING".
[HTC Amaze 4G] jauhien:
Make sure your RUU is for Wind..
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
Damn this 5 min wait time to edit.

It is a wind one. From here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1617644:

I tried to upload OTA_RUBY_ICS_35_S_Globalive_WWE_2.14.1500.6-1.46.1500.3_release_263096ebhdlebyr7k06p6u.zip to the sd but this is the one that goes back to the bootloader after checking the image.

And I am using this one RUU_Ruby_Globalive_WWE_1.46.1500.3_Radio_1.10.550L .01v2DC_30.69.550L.10_release_229312_signed.exe to install from PC which is the one I am talking about below.

Now here's something else I'm trying.

I am trying to install a RUU using a .exe, that is through my PC. However, first I got the [140] error saying that I the update stopped because my bootloader version is too old .Ok, so I fixed this by going into the all in one kit, and using the mainversion error from the extras.

However, now I get the error that my hboot version is too old. Anyway to downgrade the hboot without s-off?
[HTC Amaze 4G] kazzxtrismus:
Try flashing 4 ext again.. You will then be able to flash wind... Because y your working recovery should flash 4ext properly.

I have wind too.. There is NO GOOD reason to NOT S-OFF.&super cid ..

Flash tmobile (if you were on ginger bread.. Flash ginger bread.. Ics to ics)

Then work backwards to wind if you want

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[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
How do I flash wind? Which image in the wind zip do I choose?
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheAmazeUser:
Is there anyway to downgrade the hboot without s-off?
[HTC Amaze 4G] kazzxtrismus:
I use tmobile.. Downgrade of hboot without Soff I don't think is possible.. Someone please clarify!!

Wind ginger bread had a data leak when roaming.. Tmobile did not.. So I stayed with the tmobile ruu..

Unless you can tell me a really good reason for returning to wind (warranty etc) I wouldn't bother..

Besides soff is easy safe and makes rom flashing way easier.. I have had no side effects from Soff

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