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[One (M7) General] BoneXDA:
HTC had the chance to become a huge corporation itself, but made missteps along the way. No unique, one of a kind products, no trending marketing, too little attention on patents. The HTC One looks like the device to turn the fortunes, simple name, unique features, high marketing potential (UltraPixels), but supply issues can make all the buzz go away. You can't blame this or loss of market share on rivals and news sites. Here's hoping for a successful kickoff.
[One (M7) General] riz157:
The main reason I would like htc to be successful is because IMHO they are offering us, the consumers, better value for money better then any other supplier. A product which beams with style, flair and durability. Real Tangible and visible improvements and improved software to boot.

Yes htc will probably make less profit per device but that's good for the consumer, we get more for our money.

No product in recent times has been glitch free and wont be surprised if htc one follows same suit. Be prepared folks.

I wish them success.

Peeps just because you paying with plastic doesn't mean you deserve plastic.
[One (M7) General] onlinejobwork:
I can believe Samsun's hand behind it only if any parts/hardware HTC need to get from Samsung and the shortage is delayed due to that otherwise there is no point believe any involvement of Samsung but I don't trust much on Samsung they can do anything to stay No1. after IPhone, HTC one is biggest competitor
[One (M7) General] Elgoist:
Ow crap

Ow crap i think this is going to hurt htc realy bad. they have a lose sells since the Desire HD :(
[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues

Its not samsung.. they are heaps and bounds forward in the units they sell from htc.. and after iphone I guess sony is their biggest competitor for now atleast.. even sony beat htc in last years sales with much lesser specs on their flagships

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] epsix:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues

If ultra pixel cam are faulty, just stick 13 megapixel cam on it ,it'll be fine

Tapatalk 2 ;)
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
If true that would be very worrying yields even for 'risk production', let alone volume. With the GS4 arriving soon, and a possible Nexus 5 at Google I/O in May, the timing couldn't be worse.
[One (M7) General] BoneXDA:
Yup, and delays are possibly coming. This was a big bet by HTC and all eyes are on them, if they screw up now, will they get another chance?
[One (M7) General] Wh1techapel:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

This could be devastating for HTC. Though I'll be waiting to hear what they say officially before jumping to conclusions.
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
I propose a petition for claiming a ''normal'' 13mp sensor on the One instead of this BS ultrapixel,anyway 80% of the Ones didn't get yet their camera sensor,are you ready to join the fight?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
13mp is bs as well unless ur happy with super noisy images, just check the recent pocketlint review of the padfone 2
[One (M7) General] fernando sor:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Although this is troubling it is in no way set in stone what will happen over the next few months. And I'm sorry but did someone actually say that analysts for billion dollar companies don't make mistakes?? I live on planet earth and here our multi billion dollar companies just ruined the world's economy for the last five years.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes seems many are still unaware if this reality...

(dont mean to intrude but I've been living n breathing my wife's work for the last 5 years to know that everyword ur post is the truth)
[One (M7) General] riz157:
Unfortunately that trend is to get worse. More bad news is on its way, it's going to get from bad to worse.
[One (M7) General] aliveon2legs:
Can you elaborate?
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
Of course they do. And the one's that do don't last very long. Analysts from three different companies that cover HTC, KGI, Horizon Securities and Citibank, all reached the same conclusions independently. I'd say the odds of all three being wrong in exactly the same way at the same time are pretty slim.
[One (M7) General] :
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

The only thing crushing would be an immediate and furious galaxy s4 release. But, I'm sure both devices will have their initial growing pains. I look forward to a couple of months of comparison and then I will pull the trigger. Plenty of early production blips will be gone by then.
[One (M7) General] fernando sor:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

You are probably right but now many banks made horrible errors leading up to the crash in 2008? A lot more than three.
[One (M7) General] fernando sor:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Yes I agree the consensus isn't good at this point. My argument is that this phone will and is creating a buzz. The real reviews are not even out yet. What I'm saying is we don't know how the possible component shortages will play out.

Not long ago apples stock was unshakable and in a very short period of time we've seen it devalued by what? Thirty percent? HTC is still making money and if this phone turns out to be a hit people may wait for delivery. That's the question. Will people wait instead of just buying Samsung. Or even Sony.
[One (M7) General] xXxG0dzRAgexXx:
I think its crazy that people need a new piece of technology so bad that some people will actually cancel there orders if there device isn't gonna arrive when they thought, and go out and buy a different one. Really blows my mind. I understand that a lot of people have a passion for technology but having to wait up to a month later than you thought isn't that big a deal. Maybe if it were 2-3 months id understand but i see some people are say something along the lines of "oh let me cancel my pre-order because its gonna come the beginning of April instead of the 15th, I think i'm just gonna get X device instead"
[One (M7) General] radiotrib:
i think you're confusing the very small percentage of well-informed, technologically savvy people who make a choice based on facts with the very large percentage of people who only buy a commodity based on the product marketing and what their friend has ... and what the person in the phone shop tells them.
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Very true. Here in Ireland, the likes of Vodafone have announced they will be selling the One but have given no further information. It could be delayed and we wouldn't even know.
[One (M7) General] xXxG0dzRAgexXx:
I know its a very small margin of people that are acting how i described above and not everyone here on XDA are gonna cancel there orders but there is an extremely small portion of those people once they heard of the shortage of devices due to the camera, and pre-orders being pushed back (Their pre-order included), they decided to cancel there order and just decide to get another device. I've seen several instead decide to get an Xperia Z and even some people say an S4 which i thought was ridiculous since the HTC One, despite the shortage would surely arrive before the S4 would. :eek: But I understand what you mean. Also many of these "technologically savvy people" don't always make choices based on facts, as most of the time i see more people make choices out of fanboyism, unconfirmed rumors, and just make choices because they "NEED" A new device. One example being since the One will be late, I must have the Xperia Z because i can't wait despite the One being a better phone, which is an example I've observed. But of course that's not all Tech savvy people but only a small, (but memorable) portion. As I can tell from your posts (and many others) they are well thought out, have a good argument, and are enjoyable to read, while others are like how i explained above. :p

Sorry if this sounded like a very jumbled and inconsistent post, its 4 in the morning and I really need to get some sleep.
[One (M7) General] radiotrib:
Thanks for your positive response ..

I'm quite lucky ... I guess its why I can try to be objective even though I love HTC devices and have for a long time ... Iactually fall into a totally different category of user for this release ... I'm getting an HTC-One because HTC are giving me one free of charge to replace my totally smashed up One-X.

I posted the story about it and its durability under extreme stress, and because of that and the fact I'm a very long-term and loyal customer, plus a member of the Elevate community, they decided to be generous to me !!!

So I don't have to worry about whether or when it will be arriving, or the state of the company or its supply chain, or whether XYZ or ABCphone is better, faster, has SD or a removable battery, looks better, sings, dances or makes a perfect cup of tea ... I'm just happy to be getting a replacement phone

... and I just wait, with a smile on my face, answer the odd post on xda-dev, and think about what I'm going to do with the 600 euros I was going to spend on a new phone anyway.

cool eh :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
@Barry you say you don't want HTC to go bust

and your helping how? ;)
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
I'm sure you remember this same discussion happened last year in the One X forum. I was very vocal about the doom saying being premature because, at the time, the One-series still held a lot of promise. A lot has happened in a year’s time. And you give me way too much credit if you think what I say one way or another is going to alter HTC's future. ;)

I very much want them to succeed and a world with Samsung flying solo would be a very scary place for mobile device fans. At some point, willingly or unwillingly, Cher Wang is going to have to bring in new management with a fresh perspective.
[One (M7) General] xXxG0dzRAgexXx:
HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Wow that sounds great. :) I happened to see your post on your One X and I've never seen a phone so destroyed in my life. xD That's all really cool though, I respect that you try to be more objective, which is what I try to achieve. I'm coming from iOS though so I have no previous experience to influence my choice in what android phone I should buy. Just observing the phones that appeal to me, the One is definitely what I'm looking for though. Just a noob trying to find his place here, just want to stay on the path of being open and not become a fanboy of one manufacturer, and go on other device forums to trash other manufacturers and their devices, which I've seen a lot here. I try to base argument over facts and being realistic and use opinion when needed. I wish everyone here would discuss that way. :p but most would just say "it's the Internet, deal with it."
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no I'm all for it, management change, I just don't see what can change, both last and this year issues are actually related to the inability to feed the initial demand, so why announce it so early when you can't supply it

the only step to take is to stop focusing on hard to produce super flagships...
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
I imagine that's exactly what a change in management would do: stop trying to innovate.

With both the Butterfly and now the One, HTC has come up with a design that is really difficult to manufacture, and hurt themselves financially by doing that, because the result is that they end up shipping far fewer units from a simple lack of supply. New management would probably say "right, next time round our first priority must be to design something we can actually make in very large numbers". That would probably be something much less distinctive and much more similar to rival products - no more ultrapixel sensors or boomsound speakers.

I'm not saying this would be a good thing for the mobile phone industry, but it probably would be for HTC's balance sheets.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes the world is actually asking HTC to go the Samsung way:

1- spend half your money on marketing

2- make sure whatever you build can be built with ease, ie cheap toy plastic

3- insure at least 50% profit margins

4- what ever money your left with, use for actual improvements

the Samsung ****ty pressure is so great that now even Apple have to make a cheap plastic iPhone alternative

just for everyone to really see, you can buy any brand just don't support Samsung, they are corrupting the entire industry

thanks to Sammy smartphones are becoming high fructose corn syrup :(

even Google is worried, come to think of it, Google should have bought HTC and not Moto...

the way i see it, we should all root for HTC and support them, otherwise as far im concerned i am going Apple until Sony nails the last few bits (slightly better specs, better screen)
[One (M7) General] :
Carphone Warehouse UK is now showing 29th of March so definitely true about the delays. HTC have a big problem on there hands now, people will get pissed off and get the S4 instead. Mine from Handtec still says the 14th of March but bet that will change.
[One (M7) General] AndroidDude11:
What about pre-orders

Then will those who've pre-ordered their device be affected by it??
[One (M7) General] radiotrib:
Well my perspective on phones hasn't changed. The phone is just a dumb computer with a built-in wireless modem of sorts .. what differentiates one phone from another are the build quality, the peripherals (camera, speakers, etc.) and for me really the only important thing ... the user experience - i.e. the software. HTC have always been able to provide me with the user experience I like in a phone - Sense is my front-end of choice from long experience, their camera enhancements on the One-X were just what I wanted and the One looks to be offering even more interesting camera toys for me to play with, especially Zoe.

but in the end it's all down to personal preference. I like Sense and the Sense widget family. I got a Samsung 10.1 tablet, and really don't like the feel of TouchWiz .. so much so that I went onto the PlayStore and found Sense lookalike widgets to run on the tablet. Others will disagree. Some people think sense is resource hungry and 'bloatware' ... some will think TouchWiz is cleaner (although in reality it only looks that way, it's actually just as top-heavy) ...

but one thing I can almost guarantee .. as long as you can get along with the switch from the Apple philosophy, you'll find yourself wondering how you managed with just the static 'pick an app' screens of IOS for so long when you could have live, active home screens serving you all your immediate data at a swipe (I know I did). On 6 of the 7 home screen panes I have widgets keeping me up to date all the time:

pane 1 - full page Calendar,

pane 2 - full page mail,

pane 3 - tap to run - frequently used apps,

Home Pane - weather clock, most used apps and device toggles for BT, wifi, airplane mode and GPS,

pane 5 - full page people chooser/dialler,

Pane 6 - Full page friendstream for Twitter/Facebook

pane 7 - Full page News aggregator ...

My phone gets used a lot, but I hardly ever leave the home panes except to dig in deeper .. read a mail, flip to facebook, read a news item etc. and all those are a touch away from the widget.

That's the real power of Android, whoever flavours it for you.
[One (M7) General] thegregulator:
It's unfortunate the One may be delayed. Hopefully for HTC's sake it's not something that's going to cause a major problem in terms of getting handsets out to customers. People here can bash Samsung all they want, but the fact of the matter is Samsung makes a quality smartphone. You can complain about the "cheap" materials all you want but in reality, Samsung's quality control, and therefore, build quality, are quite good. I had a Galaxy S3 and Note 2 and they were very solid feeling phones. The fact the battery is removable, which to me isn't necessary but still nice to have, makes it difficult, but not impossible (think HTC Legend, man I loved that phone) for them to really build a unibody phone, especially if they want the large profit margins they're used to.

That said, I have pre-ordered the HTC One. HTC will always hold a special place in my heart. The previously mentioned Legend was my first android device (it was also my saviour from a Blackberry Curve 8330) and I'm always interested when HTC releases a new flagship. I don't bother comparing Sense to Touchwiz because it's not like you're stuck with either one of them. For the most part, any launcher can change the look and feel of your smartphone, and if you're really inclined, there's tons of AOSP/CM roms to flash. Like @radiotrib was saying, I care about build feel (hopefully HTC can improve on the build quality from previous flagships), screen, and camera. I think the One should be able to satisfy my wants on all three accounts.

One last point to the user who was complaining about people jumping ship if the One is delayed. I can totally understand why people would. It's not like HTC has built their reputation (especially in the last two years) up to the point where they're considered by the masses as a premium smartphone manufacturer. Last year many Galaxy S3's were delayed because of a problem with the back covers. That phone obviously still sold well because Samsung has built their reputation and are seen by the majority of android users as the premium Android device manufacturer, which is an argument for another thread. Quite frankly, compared to flagships from other manufacturers from the last couple years, HTC has really fallen behind (my opinion). The Sensation was a gorgeous phone, but plagued with dust under the screen, lousy battery life, and was fairly laggy. The One X was even better looking but had many well documented issues. I'm not saying they were bad phones. I'm saying for the most part, they didn't do many things better than flagships from other manufacturers. So when it's reported HTC may be having some severe production issues I'm not surprised people are concerned. They don't want to drop $700 on a phone that may likely have issues out the gate, especially when they consider HTC's reputation from the last couple years.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Again ur point of view of HTC quality is now outdated, since the One X launh till today both their hw and sw quality had jumped immensely

Did u hear of issues on the droid DNA or butterfly? Or all the other devices in between?

And the answer is no

As for the one x issues they were sorted in less than three months

In fact the one x and x+ are now selling more than ever in my country
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
That's funny. ;)

Everyone tends to think about flagships when talking about a company's financial health. LG is the healthiest of the second-tier phone manufacturers because they have a huge base in moderate to low-end devices. When you're as small as HTC is, focusing all your efforts on the ultra-competitive high-end is dangerous as can be seen by their performance. Up until a year ago they thought the lower end of the market was beneath them. Finally going after China and India is the smartest thing they've done recently. If they can expand sales and volume at the lower end, even if they sacrifice margin, it'll at least provide them with a life line. M-B makes AMG models and BMW M's. Their profit comes from the volume of 3's and C's they sell.

Who's to say they shouldn't buy HTC too? Motorola is the less recognized of the two brands; especially internationally. Motorola exists on their "Droid" line which is sold exclusively through Verizon in the U.S. It would be great if Google combined Motorola and HTC under the HTC name. HTC's market capitalization is down to $7B (and will be even lower if the One isn’t a

huge

success) which is chump change for Google. The question is do they want to take on another company that desperately needs restructuring?
[One (M7) General] BoneXDA:
Let's not start this. Many take the plastic because at least the phone is in stock and you can choose an issue free unit, it performs great out of the box and has fast, quality support. Sure it's shiny plastic, but looking at the whole picture, their last flagship (Note II) has fewer issues than any other rival of recent times and that includes the very phone we're discussing. You can't blame HTC's problems on Samsung's plastic, March is the gap they could sold millions of the fancy One, yet they might not be able to push 300.000 before Plastic4 and Motorola X arrives. Who's fault is that?
[One (M7) General] thegregulator:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

But that's exactly my point. The fact it took three months to sort out launch issues is exactly what turns people off from HTC (not me, but many), and what will likely cost them a fair number of customers should the One be faced with significant shortages or delays.

And they damn well should have improved hardware and software on the One X from launch day. They had plenty to improve and for what they charge for those devices, they owed it to the consumers to improve their product.

You're obviously an HTC guy and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact you think Samsung makes crap phones because they're made from plastic is your opinion. Many Android users would disagree with you, but that's the beauty of having an opinion. But no matter how you quantify it, HTC has damaged their reputation immensely by releasing nice products with inexcusable issues. I love HTC as much as the next guy, but I'm willing to admit HTC has not done enough to maintain their position as a reliable smartphone manufacturer, at least compared to Samsung and Apple.
[One (M7) General] Wh1techapel:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

HTC UK twitter feed went from saying delays are just rumours, to they will now update us on the shortages. By Monday I highly suspect every retailer will have delays.
[One (M7) General] umd:
I agree with you and I'm an "HTC guy" too. In fact I've tried so hard to get One X but I couldn't because of those hardware issues. Now I'm using GN since then (Argghhh it's plastic back cover creaking in my hands). But three months is just too long for this industry and there were too many hardware problems to solve.

The part I disagree with you is I think most people would prefer their phones to be aluminum instead of plastic. I see no point arguing on this. But if you say there is no way to have aluminum body, removable battery and SD card altogether people will prefer plastic phones even if it's creaking.

And this will be off topic but I think HTC is wrong about removable battery and SD card. Don't get me wrong, I'm not fan of removable battery or SD card but people who buy these phones and spend some considerable time on forums like XDA mostly are. If HTC would have made those surveys on forums not with normal users I think the results would be different. And a lot of people buy their phones after they make some search on web so they go with the phone which has most attention and discussion.

Anyway, One series have shown us HTC doesn't have engineering problems in fact they have management problems. I hope it doesn't effect the One like it did with One X but looks like it will.
[One (M7) General] joshoon:
Three months or not, the defects shouldn't be there when the device will be sold.

Of course it's understandable that there might be some defect units out there, but before a manufacturer brings out a device, they have to be sure that the count of defect units is very small.

I hear people complaining about defect units all the time, not only from HTC, but also from other manufacturers like Samsung (I don't like Samsung at all thb), but I barely hear someone complaining about defect units with the iPhone.

I think the quality control of Apple is just very good, and since the HTC One is getting close to the same price as a new iPhone, I recommend them to have great quality control too, or you get lots of complaining customers.

That's also what I'm expecting from a €700 phone.