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[One (M7) General] thegregulator:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

I'm not arguing people generally want aluminum phones over plastic ones. I would think if you gave someone the choice between an aluminium Galaxy S3 or a plastic Galaxy S3 the answer would be aluminum 9 times out of 10. I'm saying generally people don't think Samsung phones are crap because they're made of plastic. From my experience, and with the exception of the Galaxy S, Samsung phones have been made very well.

Also, the HTC Legend was basically one slab of aluminum and it had a removable battery and expandable storage, so it's doable. We're very much the minority here on XDA. I believe most manufacturers reasoning behind not including expandable storage (outside of Google's influence) and sealing in the battery is that the general population don't mind if their phones lack these features (obviously an iPhone influence) so long as their smartphone performs well and looks good. Samsung's design allows them to include those two features in their smart phones, but in all honesty, outside of XDA, I have yet to come across someone who said they bought a Galaxy phone because it had expandable storage and a removable battery.

This is all getting off topic. I hope for HTC's sake they're not faced with any significant issues when they officially launch the One. I'll still be getting it, but I'd be willing to bet many consumers won't should there be an issue with the launch.
[One (M7) General] riz157:
Good news thanks for sharing at least we might have some official update.

Btw tmobile are only selling the silver version at this moment. I inquired about release dates but nothing was confirmed, I think tmobile know something the rest of us don't. I hope I'm wrong.

I've accepted htc one won't be available next week and if it is then I'll be chuffed.
[One (M7) General] umd:
I'm not saying most of the people care about removable battery and SD card. What I'm saying is that the people on forums/tech sites mostly do and normal users outside of the XDA which is huge part of all users search and read the web before they buy a phone. And when they see a phone with a lot of attention they just go with it even if they don't care about removable battery and SD card. They feel safer that way. I just wanted to clarify. Sorry for OT again.
[One (M7) General] thegregulator:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

That is a good point. It's always nice to be able to discuss these things. I wish I knew more people who were interested tech. All we can do at this point is hope that HTC hasn't shot itself in the foot with these ultra pixel cameras.
[One (M7) General] leohdz148:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Ok so I'm confused, when is the release date? The 12 or the 15, I'm confused by all these sources and articles and did you ask about the availability of the black version?

Sent from my HTC One S
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
You're way over simplifying the decision making process. If you asked someone if they could have an aluminum SGS3 without a removable battery and expandable storage you'd get a very different answer to the question you posed. If HTC came out with two versions of the One, the first being as-is and the second being stylized plastic with a similar look and feel but with a removable battery and SD card slot I think you'd be surprised how many people would pick the latter.

You're talking about form over function. Yes, some people are highly influence by form but the majority would take function. The Accord and Camry are as close to "high fructose corn syrup" as is possible in the car-world but they are perennial best sellers. Do you think anyone that's passionate about cars says "gosh, I wish I could own a Camry." I wouldn't call Samsung's phones ugly but their certainly not beautiful. But yet, like the Accord and Camry, in spite of numerous more "passionate" options available, they outsell everyone else 10:1.

So it's great HTC places their highest priority on aesthetics. They'll sell a lot of devices to people who design means everything to. But as history has shown, design forsaking function doesn't sell mainstream consumer products. A good example of design and function working well together is the success of the Hyundai Sonata which offers all the features (and then some) of the Accord and Camry but wraps them in a highly stylized package. If the One had a 5" display, a removable battery, expandable storage, normal capacitive buttons

plus

an all-aluminum design, IR port, trick camera, and dual speakers it would make people think twice about the SGS4. But, alas, it doesn't and just like last year people have to decide what they are willing to give up in order to buy one of HTC's amazingly designed phones.
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
I think WAY too much emphasis is being put on the plastic thing. I have gone through a good few phones in the last few years (DHD, Sensation, One X, SGS3, Note 2), and nobody who has asked to have a look at my phone has ever made a comment on what it's made of. Seriously.

My girlfriend had an SGS1, and that is a seriously cheap feeling, plastic phone. Everything in my list above feels premium in comparison. I don't believe for a second that the average person on the street cares what a phone is made of, they care about the features they might have seen on a TV ad or maybe that their friends had shown them.

If I was HTC and wanted to be known as premium, then I wouldn't only be marketing boomsound, blinkfeed, etc. I would be marketing the construction and why it makes the device premium. Their 'first look' ad talks about a full metal body, but would the average person even care?
[One (M7) General] eg1122:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Well all you said sounds good but there is a problem with it. Putting it simply that is your opinion on the matter. You, amongs others, would want those options from a phone but that doesn't make you right. But then again it doesn't make you wrong. That's just your preference and all I have to say is, if HTC does not fit your needs don't buy it and move on. Let those who will get it enjoy the device.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
You think? Personally I care far more about function than form, but it often feels like I'm the only person in the world who does. :)
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
Really?

Samsung sells 100 million Samsung Galaxy S series phones

13 Jan 2013, 23:44, by Alan F

Like two ships passing in the dark, the Apple iPhone 5 seems to have lost momentum, explaining why Apple has significantly cut orders for parts to build its iconic smartphone. The other ship, the S.S Samsung, seems to be moving in the right direction with not one, but two sizzling hot devices in the Samsung Galaxy S III and the Samsung GALAXY Note II. But it is the former that is being celebrated on Monday, as the flagship Android handset is part of the Samsung Galaxy S series that has sold over 100 million units. Just two years and seven months after the first Samsung Galaxy S entered the market, Samsung has made the line extremely popular with those looking for an alternative to the Apple iPhone. And as we told you on Saturday, the teens say that the Apple iPhone is out and the Samsung Galaxy S III is in. As we noted, part of that comes from the way Samsung's commercials position the iPhone as a device for older people while the features on the Samsung Galaxy S III appear fresh and new. The Samsung Galaxy S sold 10 million phones in its first year and the Samsung Galaxy S II has sold 40 million units, with the number of units sold doubling since February. Meanwhile, by November Samsung had sold 30 million units of the Samsung Galaxy S III. Right now, 190,000 of the latter device are being rung up daily. At that pace, over 69 million units of the Samsung Galaxy S III would be sold in one year. It all adds up to the top position for Samsung in the global smartphone market.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-sells-100-million-Samsung-Galaxy-S-series-phones_id38662​
[One (M7) General] jeffsanace:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

What's being forgotten is that htc has put plenty of function in this device. How is dual speakers, ir remote, zoe, and blinkfeed not function. These are all appealing features to most users. Excluding aosp purists of course. I can see myself using all of them. So let's not make it sound like they left out innovative features in lieu of the premium design.

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[One (M7) General] eg1122:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

I should have trimmed the quote on the last post. I was referring to the options you listed. Adding sd, removable battery, 5 inch screen, etc. are just preferences you think would make the phone better. But better for who? That's why I said that was your preference. As far as sales go, it ultimately comes down to marketing. With that said HTC will never outsale Samsung, but if they market the phone correctly they can make a comback. It all depends on how much they are willing to spend on ads. You would think that there will be commercials all over tv by now.
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
I bring those things up because: A) the market leader provides them so not providing them at the same price is likely to be viewed as "getting less" by the masses, and B) historical sales would seem to indicate that some of those things mean something to the masses as devices with expandable storage and removable batteries have outsold those without them. To your point, I have no idea how the market will react to aluminum construction, BlinkFeed, BoomSound, UltraPixels, Zoe, and an IR port when weighed against a smaller display, a non-removable battery, and non-expandable storage. But we're about to find out. ;) And don't forget that HTC placed huge emphasis on the camera and sound ("Amazing Camera, Authentic Sound") with the One X and that didn't seem to sway people very much based on sales.

This comes up a lot and everyone plays HTC as the victim of Samsung's huge marketing war chest. Here's the reality. Marketing and promotional spend are a percentage of sales. In 2010 HTC and Samsung sold the same amount of devices so with marketing as a percentage of what they took in there's no reason they couldn't have spent the same thing and possibly may have. With the release of the SGS2 in 2011, Samsung's sales doubled and therefore so did their marketing budget. The Sensation didn't sell as well and began the erosion of HTC's revenue and marketing budget; especially in comparison to Samsung's. So it's kind of chicken-and-egg. If the SGS2 flopped and the Sensation was a huge success that HTC built on with the Sensation II and III you'd be seeing HTC commercials on TV rather than Samsung's. But in the end it all still comes down to product.

Here's a good example of marketing and name recognition not being able to overcome product issues. Honda redesigned the Civic, a bread and butter car for them, in 2012. Here's what the press said.

"The Japanese automaker has been stung by widespread criticism for the 2012 Civic range's lackluster dynamics, lessened interior quality, noise levels, low feature count and uninspiring design – perceived shortcomings exacerbated by the industry's hyper-competitive compact car segment."​

Car buyers, even loyal Honda owners, know when something's good or bad. Sales plummeted and Honda released an emergency refresh for the 2013 model year addressing all their self-created shortcomings. Samsung's as recognized and trusted a brand as Honda. They both market heavily but their products are what create repeat buyers and word of mouth recommendations. As Honda proved and the same thing applies to Samsung; give customers crap and they'll turn on you in a heartbeat. Samsung's earned their success and based on decisions made or not made by HTC starting with the Sensation is what's gotten them in to the position they are currently in.
[One (M7) General] BoneXDA:
Let's move on from the manufacturer debate if possible, both make good devices with different compromises. Hopefully manufacturing the One will be a non-issue in a couple of weeks,
[One (M7) General] sebsal:
Since owning my first nokia brick back in 2000, i've never carried a second battery. Since the advent of spotify, picasa, dropbox, I doubt i'll ever need more than 32gb. And having had a One X for the last year, i've never got close to using the 32gb.

So for me I'm going for the HTC One because of the camera innovation, the look and feel, and actually Blink Feed, it really appeals to me.

I have no brand loyalty, I had an LG Optimus 2x before the One X. The One X build quality and camera really impressed and I don't care what anyone says, the One X camera is better than the SG3 and Iphone5.

For these reasons i'm putting my faith in the One. I just hope it arrives on the 15th as I've already sol my One X and i'm currently using the Samsung Galaxy 1!
[One (M7) General] eg1122:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Problem with comparing the GS2 and the Sensation is that the GS2 was available for way more carriers than the sensation. Compared to the sensation, the HTC one will be available to many more customers thus giving HTC hope for a comeback. Another thing is when Samsung had sg2, that's was their ownly flagship and that's where most of the advertisement went. HTC in the other hand had more than one flagship device and their marketing budget was split between them. I never said HTC was a victim of Samsung's marketing campain, its HTCs own fault for not advertising enough. But that is the reason why Samsung is on top, they are very agressve with marketing. I mean seriously how many sensation/evo 3d/etc... commercials did we see on tv compared to sg2? Now with the HTC one being the sole flagship for htc, they can invest properly on advertisement. Question is will they do it and will it be enought to push HTC back to the top 5 mobile phone manufacturers? That is what this year is all about for htc. if it does happen I would expect a more agressive approach to advertisement from them in the years to come.
[One (M7) General] riz157:
True htc really have improved upon last years model in every aspect, design, premium build quality, speakers, boom sound, look, touch, screen, software, camera, ui. Noise cancellation, One word brilliant.

I doubt Samsung will make such leaps with s4 but then again some fans are easily pleased. Funny that I used to say that about iPhone fans!
[One (M7) General] umd:
I believe Sensation was the most critical device for HTC and lucky for Samsung it was the worst flagship device of HTC compare to others. It wasn't even a real competitor to SGS2. Most of the people bought SGS2 for that. Then Samsung stepped up their game by spending billions to marketing but HTC couldn't as Samsung is a much bigger company. But that's not because SGS2 sold more than Sensation it's because HTC doesn't have that kind of money, not even close. Now HTC is trying to put Samsung in hard position with 1080p screens as they know producing 1080p AMOLED screen is much harder than producing 1080p LCD in ~5 inch form but this is not enough. Somehow they need to step up their game too.
[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Are u for real dude, you keep comparing samsung fans to iphone fans and call them dumb.. and you expect people who own samsung devices and have an interest in htc one to shutup when you pass on your crap opinions.. I m sure samsung will have a huge upgrade too.. but if I start saying htc fans are this and that and they are blind, it wont end..

Your are completely right.. sensation was the device which pulled htc down.. I owned one after I owned a galaxy s2 because i liked htc so much and It was a fail.. and thats what made me get back to samsung and so did many others.. and so htc still has to keep pushing.. and I think htc one has done its small part of putting htc slightly higher.. will it help htc, we will be only sure in a couple of months

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] riz157:
Damn I did it again, upset Samsung fan. Lol.

Peace man. I hope I'm wrong but don't think so

I've question for you if S4 is not as good as htc one would you cry? Only kidding.

Would you still buy S4?
[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Dude , do you realize how annoying you are?.only kidding.. :confused:

Y would I be upset, I dont own htc or samsung.. nor are either of my opinions going to affect the public or their sales..

And yes if s4 isnt as good enough as htc one (in my opinion) I will buy the htc one.. I have a soft corner for htc but samsung has been made their last devices hassle free for me... so how it pans out, I m just gonna have to wait and see.. and whatever I choose I am not gonna troll on all forums about how I find htc or samsung depwnding on whuch I buy more innovative and the people who buy other devices are morons or stupid for buying them or are easily pleased for nothing

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
Everyone on this forum is so angry. :(

_____

Getting back on topic:

The HTC One release date has now been moved from March to April in at least two countries, Singapore and the Netherlands. Any others?

Sources:

http://m.androidauthority.com/htc-o...herlands-ultrapixel-shortage-to-blame-167766/

http://asia.cnet.com/htc-one-launch-delayed-to-april-for-singapore-62220749.htm
[One (M7) General] JChespirito24:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

I thought that this forum was about Htc One issues, not rants about what device is better...
[One (M7) General] daleski75:
I'd say they are very passionate!
[One (M7) General] crawlgsx:
Bah and not even a peep about US release date yet and all these delays. I already sold my Note II :(
[One (M7) General] WA_Bob:
Yes - When the heck is it going to get here so we can discuss something actually in our hands? :mad:
[One (M7) General] :
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

LoL im just about to list my Note 2 on CL as well. Im going to go with the international version on the One. Will have more development. What did you get for your N2 if you dont mind me asking?
[One (M7) General] ross1998:
I believe all of them are gonna be with same hardware, so it wouldn't make a difference which one you get.... please correct me if I'm wrong
[One (M7) General] :
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

True but the unbranded variants always have the most development over the US ones.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
USA is priority according to HTC
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
And you think HTC spending more on marketing would have changed that?

And so are Sony, LG, ZTE, Huawei and Motorola with Google's backing. If marketing is all that matters, and HTC will never be able to match the spend of their competitors, what's their future going to be?

HTC doesn't manufacture a single component used in any of their devices; they are 100% sourced from third parties. The display in the DNA/Butterfly is produced by Renasis (Sharp) and any OEM can purchase the same display. And if rumors are true, not only will the display in the SGS4 be AMOLED, it'll be the next generation that moves from fluorescent to phosphorus which reduces energy consumption by 25% while extending display life.

I totally agree. It's a better effort than HTC's ever made before and it's a gorgeous device. And, because apparently marketing is all that matters, if it doesn't sell beyond the dwindling base of HTC's hard core fans and sales are 1/10 of the SGS4 (again) what do you think HTC's next move should be?

Anyway, back on topic. All the media reports of delays have been from the same source - the analyst that said he spot checked HTC's component suppliers and was told by the supplier of the camera sensor that production yields would hamper volume. So if you believe that, either the launch will be delayed in some countries to benefit others or there will be a limited number of One's available where it does go on sale. And a two week delay could simply be logistics and have nothing to do with components being scarce. With the SGS4 launch days away it's unlikely (and not very wise) for HTC to announce a delay or shortages even if it's true. The last thing HTC needs is to be tagged on to what will be massive coverage of the SGS4 with "and HTC recently announced their flagship One device is delayed due to component shortages."
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Yup UK and US are a priority as expected (the device was announced in these countries first) also they are the most important markets for HTC
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
Germany is a bigger priority obviously, they have their devices already the jammy gets lol :(
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no im assuming because their units are a special edition with beats earsets included
[One (M7) General] hapticc:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

HTC vs Samsung

htc is very small compared to samsung. Hence samsung can spend all those extra cash in R&D for improvement of devices but that seems to be VICE VERSA

Htc Zoe wow man thats called innovation

Ultrapixel yet to prove if this big gamble is worth of hype but huge risk still promision

Boomsound some love some hate but i cant be happier than this.

Alumunium Unibody all i could say is sexy

blinkfeed varies personal opinion

Samsung S4(if rumors are true)

Floating touch airview style omg love this if true

Plastic :'(

Touchwiz :'(

What to do with eye scroll smart stay. goto setting turn them off pile of crap

But one thing thats going to hurt is exynos octa power plus performance

All they need is some sort of magical design i can live with touchwiz but i will miss zoe.

if design is crap htc better be fast to bring your device in stores quickly i need one on 14th of march as soon as S4 is unveiled
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
Samsung just introduces Gimmicky software that most people don't end up using.
[One (M7) General] umd:
Not with the Sensation as it wasn't even a real competitor to SGS2 but yes, better marketing would have changed their current position significantly. I think flagship HTC devices except Sensation was good enough to compete with Samsung.

Yes but none of them spend that much money on marketing like Samsung as far as I know. And no matter how bad SGS4 is, it will sell more than One even both company spend same amount of money to marketing as Samsung Galaxy line has much more reputation just like Apple iPhone(I'm not sure if reputation is the right word though). That's the real danger for HTC.

You didn't need to say that. I know they don't produce components. What I meant is they shifted to 1080p screens to give Samsung some hard time as producing 1080p AMOLED screen is harder than same form of LCD screen. Btw, any OEM can't have the same screen as HTC VP pointed out that they make some tunning and tweaking to their screens in an Engadget interview.
[One (M7) General] BoneXDA:
Can we drop the subject already? I'm sure the will be quality comparisons coming once the Galaxy SIV is out, until then there isn't much to say.
[One (M7) General] riz157:
Yes i did and they could not give any info other then tmobile is only offering the silver version at this time.
[One (M7) General] leohdz148:
Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues, delays

Ok then I guess the silver version for me then, thanks for the answer btw :)

Sent from my HTC One S
[One (M7) General] riz157:
Btw Its Tmobile UK I spoke to.
[One (M7) General] Ollieee:
Since some of you obviously have experience with returning early adopted devices, how did that work out?

Did you deal with HTC directly, or did you return it to the shop you bought it from? Did you have trouble to get it replaced?

I usually wait a few months before I buy tech products, but I really want the HTC One. Now I'm not sure...
[One (M7) General] happysteveo:
Sent back to HTC directly, UPS picked it up and I had a new one delivered a week later.

I had a rooted One S, which developed a screen fault, it would start flickering uncontrollably.