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[Nexus 4 General] JuannTwo3:
I love my Nexus 4, but I also enjoy switching between that and my Red Lumia 920. In terms of aesthetics, the 920 wins hands down (IMO) but lack of apps is a killer. I also love having 32 gigs in the 920 plus the lte speeds are a nice extra :rolleyes:

Before I get bashed on my 920, cant a guy just love two platforms? :p

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
N4 does lack overall design.

And 920's design is just copied from Nokia's own N9.

Solution: If N9 can be decrypted and hacked and flash Android: WIN.
[Nexus 4 General] ijeff:
It has a few shortcomings. Battery life is substandard even with custom kernels, the camera is the lowest quality sensor in a high end phone save for the BlackBerry Z10, the screen factory calibration is atrocious (can be fixed with tweaks) , and the speakers are relatively low quality and volume. That and no LTE and thermal issues.

Fantastic phone for the price but it isn't the absolute best phone on the market, but it so easily could have been.
[Nexus 4 General] rbrucemtl:
People keep saying this... All high end phone are made for $200 or less its the carriers that inflate the prices. Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 cost about the same to make. Nexus phones have no guarantee for timely and future updates... I remember being pissed when google dropped support for Nexus One and now the Nexus S...
[Nexus 4 General] jlear3:
Lolwut

DEVICE: Nexus 4

KERNEL: Franco r95

ROM: PROJECT Extinct Life Event
[Nexus 4 General] styckx:
Nexus S was rightfully dropped. They should have killed support for that phone at 4.04. Many of us long term Nexus S users were completely surprised we even got Jellybean in the first place as ICS was pushing the limits of the phone as it it was. I love that phone to death but the single core and 384MB of RAM for the OS was its death sentence and fighting interface lag was our part time hobby. You have users over there (including myself) who put Gingerbread back on the phone just to stop the suffering.
[Nexus 4 General] Exodian:
Do you really expect the nexus one to be able to fully handle the latest software? Google never said they would be updated FOREVER. At some point the hardware cannot keep up with the software so they discontinue official support. All nexus devices get fantastic Google support for as long as the phone can truly handle the software.
[Nexus 4 General] rbrucemtl:
My point was the nexus line is not guaranteed for future updates like so many keep saying... Also the nexus is not a cheap low cost phone. It costs the same to make as the iPhone 5 without the carrier inflation

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Actually 4.2 runs well on the Nexus S Google dropped the support anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] justFaisal:
Why......... do you have that many phones? Lol
[Nexus 4 General] styckx:
It ran tolerable but like always it would start lagging after about a week of a fresh install. Especially the stupid dialer and the keyboard that would stop responding to key presses after about 4 keys then catch back up a second and a half later all at once.

What I, and you consider "well" or "tolerable" is a lot different then the level which Google has to deem "well". They have to answer to thousands of customers when they push a mandatory update. Developers have to answer to no one as installing their stuff is completely voluntary.
[Nexus 4 General] justFaisal:
That's a typical answer an American would give. Change. They don't like change. No offence but the rest of the world doesn't think like that. They want change, i like nexus phones but if someone else comes with a better product i.e, HTC one im not gonna say oh i will wait for the iphone 6 or nexus 5 to enjoy a better cpu (just an example).
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I can't lie and say that iPhones dont have some of the best hardware. Its just iOS that gets me. For years people have been complaining about the OS looking the same, lack of customizations, etc. Yet and still everything is exactly the same save for a few new features now and then. But hardware wise, Apple knows what its doing.
[Nexus 4 General] jlear3:
I'm more about the company. They'll never get my money. If you look at the specs of their top imac and build a pc with the same hardware you'll be surprised. Plus they build their products so that only apple can work on them and they'll charge $200 to fix a $30 cd drive
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
And a little research will do aot of people some justice. Apple products have good hardware but are extremely overpriced. Thats why I dont understand how they can justify the high price of their phones when only the hardware has more of an upgrade than the software. Its like customers are paying a premium for 6 year old software. Most companies will advize to upgrade a computer at least between 2-4 years of use.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
The Nexus line of phones have the best support for android due to them being directly linked to Google. Of course there is a limit to each phone hardware wise. If the software is to be upgraded eventually the hardware needs to as wel in order to keep up with new features.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
I stopped by T-Mobile yesterday to see what I could get, I'm so impatient when it comes to ordering online, and they had the softish rubber style case which was similar to the one that came with the HD2 when I bought it but the also had a hard plastic Body Glove case, bumper style only covers the back and sides but I have to say its textured really well and easy to grip, its white with black accents and it exposes the buttons rather than covering with its own like I had seen on some other cases. For $20 bucks think it was a good grab. And I went just under 20 hours off the charger yesterday and was using it fairly hard also.
[Nexus 4 General] monte666:
And that's why America doesn't like you. Change I love the stuff I use it to by gas occasionally and I know Americans with whole jars of change in there house.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
It's just maybe part of the reason.

A major reason is, nobody can afford to dish out few hundreds of dollars every few months when a new high-end smartphone is released.

You want to be able to use a high-end smartphone for a longer period of time to get your investment back.

And frankly Americans like the change in smartphones, as proved by the shortened cycle of releases. Of course they don't like changes in other things.
[Nexus 4 General] miguellopez12:
Like I always tell people around me when they ask what phone should they get. They always liked how my nexus 4 looked and how I had it "tweaked" out. But I told them that this a developer device. Its a good phone when you get it but its not what it should be. When you get the phone straight out the box it has washed out colors, horrible battery life, no storage, no lte so low data speeds. This community made this phone amazing. They fixed the colors. They fixed the battery life(which I got close to 5 hrs screen time on data network with raspberry and matrix 7 kernel). I was able to get better data speeds on att by changing my APN. I live in an area with no lte connection so that didn't matter. And I bought the 16gb version because that's enough for me. Obviously Google decided on this amount because the see the iPhone series. What sells the most? The 16gb version of every iPhone.

I love this phone. Supper quick and no lag. I also had the note 2 which is also a good phone but I don't like touchwiz, I don't use the s pen, too big(I couldn't even pull the notification bar down with one hand), and I hate the plastic feel. But if people don't like messing with there phones like I do then I tell them to get the note 2 because its already set up to use right out of the box.
[Nexus 4 General] styckx:
I hate this "idea" that a Nexus device is some elite developer phone that is only qualified to be used by the tech savvy and comes pre-flawed because the developers and tech savvy users don't mind and will just fix it. Pure crazy talk. While yes the whole premise around Nexus devices is to give developers an easy door to do their work.. It's still a phone that Google desperately needs to sell to the general public.. The colors out of the box are fine for 95% of the retail world, the storage is fine for 95% of the retail world, no LTE isn't a concern for anyone on T-Mobile since HSPA+ is incredible, and the battery life of 3-4hrs has been standard for phones this size for years. Stop putting this phone into some weird catacomb of `eliteness' that can only be graced by cool people.. Or something.. That's what Apple is about.. Let's let Android be Android.
[Nexus 4 General] ahepas:
+1
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Awesome statement here!
[Nexus 4 General] Eric-1987:
Uh the nexus s runs almost as good as my nexus 4. And it has 512mb ram.
[Nexus 4 General] Silencer96:
Maybe when you're running 4.2 on it and just swiping around between homescreens, but I doubt it'd holdup against the Nexus 4 on benchmark tests and graphic-intensive games (without the use of Chainfire).

Also, I've had a Galaxy S and Xperia Arc, both of which had 512 mb of ram. After installing JellyBean, both of them had just under 390mb of useable RAM, which was brought down even further by system apps to 120mB of ram. That's unacceptable by today's standards. You simply cannot multitask with 120mB of free ram.

So with all that said, Nexus 4 FTW!
[Nexus 4 General] m4r0v3r:
it can be, I used to have it. But it doesn't run it 100% smooth like the nexus 4 and stuff like calls isnt working
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Well then technically it cannot, right?
[Nexus 4 General] m4r0v3r:
you said flash android, hell it dual boots android and meego harmattan. stuff like wifi and what not works. proprietarystuff is broken for some pretty obvious reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp4u150mklQ
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
I think the Nexus 4 has three strikes against it, as far as public opinion goes;

- Cheap price, to the press/media make it seem low end not as luxury ?

- LG brand scared off people, not willing give someone else other than Samsung + HTC a good try. They think LG is crappy phones.

- Google screwing up the launch did not help matters one bit. Always sold out for two + months.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
Nexus phones are not only good for developers, its also for people that just want a phone that works out of the box, that gets timely updates. A good percentage will also get it for the price tag. In terms of being the best developing phone although maybe technically true, other popular phone such as gs3 and note2 have a tons of Dev support plus the option of having tweaked out OEM skin like sense or touch wiz(yes some people like certain features of these.)

Honestly there is not a best phone, hell if someone likes a blackberry qwerty style underspecked phone than that's their best phone. I for one love my GS3, will probably sell it to get a gs4 around either my birthday in July or wait til the note 3 in hopes that the gs4 drops down in price

I am running an almost flawless 4.2.2 so I am not concerned about "updates"
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Let me make myself clearer. I meant run.

And you know what I meant after my previous reply so let's stop arguing about semantics here.
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
You won't be saying that come this Summer, when Android 5.0 KLP comes out.

Only the Nexus line will be getting that right away. The S4 and S3 will be waiting months or most likely till 2014 for 5.0.

Custom ROM's ? Yep long wait till CM11 is released. There won't be 5.0 custom ROM's for non Nexus devices for quite a while too.

Whole reason I bought this Nexus 4. I want to be first with 5.0 KLP, and not have to wait 3 to 6 months for a ****ty port.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
I am not going to argue that nexus will be first in line, but being that the gs3 is the most popular android phone I don't think I will be waiting too much longer. 4.2 came almost right away.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I, for one, cannot wait till KLP comes out. I'm curious to see what features and improvements Google brings.
[Nexus 4 General] iowabeakster:
Why is there is so much hater-action on the interwebs about this phone?

Reason #1: Stupid high school kids and college-aged losers, for some reason, believe that the phone they use is somehow a reflection of themselves personally. And so they engage in some weird self-identification with this consumer product that they bought (actually... products their parents bought for them). And so they have this very bizarre "competitive-product-ownership" dynamic going on with all the other stupid high school kids and college-aged losers on the interwebs. That's probably 90% of what you are seeing.

Reason #2: Two words... "buyer's remorse". This applies to the adults...

The phone itself is simply the best VALUE per dollar (or pound or euro). And enough about the VAT in the euro zone countries... that's an issue with that particular kind of taxation system, that has nothing to do with this phone. That is absurd. There is VAT being applied to all the phones that cost double the Nexus 4, too.

And not only is the hardware the best value... the potential savings on service is far, far greater. As an example, my wife and I are saving about 1000 dollars per year (compared to our former Verizon service) for our service with our Nexus 4s.

Not only that, we can always change our services whenever we like because we have no contracts. Being contract-free may or may not provide greater value to a person.

So when you see somebody saying my "Brand X Model Y phone blows your piece of crap Nexus 4 away". Remember that over the course of time that device is used, they paid hundreds of dollars more (retail price on the phone)... and/or hundreds of dollars more per year for service. If you figure that somebody will probably use a phone for 1.5-2 years, the difference ranges from hundreds to thousands of dollars. Somehow they need to rationalize that kind of wasted money, so they engage in some strange self-delusion to make themselves feel better. It comes out as criticism for the device that would have saved them a lot of money.

Concern about the back glass? Ummm I put my phone in a case for 10 bucks... and so far it's been dropped on carpet, tile, concrete, and numerous other objects and surfaces. Not a scratch... exactly as every other phone I've ever owned. Wow... who could have imagined that?
[Nexus 4 General] jlear3:
Guarantee its mostly jb with a lot more integrated Google now. Pretty sure now will be getting very big in the next year or two. Probably something similar will be in the

Augmented reality of Google Glass, with you all the time.

Just hope they figure out how to optimize battery better, we shouldn't need 3000mah batteries to get through a day. Regardless I love my Nexus 4 and even with the release of the HTC one, and upcoming gs4, I still am very happy with my decision to get it
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
It makes me happier that I got a nexus 4 instead of waiting because when the HTC One and S4 come out, the Nexus 4 will already be ahead of them version wise. We are already on 4.2.2 while they will either be on 4.1 or 4.2.1. The Xperia Z doesn't even launch with JB.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
+1
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
But 4.2 was a minor update. Remember going from Gingerbread 2.3 to ICS 4.0. That was a nightmare for non Nexus phones. Even Cyanogen CM team took months to get Alpha builds of CM9 out, due to the major update.

Same thing is expected going from JB 4.2 to KLP 5.0. A major update, not so easy and fast to port over. Going from 4.0 ICS to 4.1 JB was nothing, compared to that.

Plus, phone companies will want all new models to hype and push Android 5.0, Samsung will hype their Galaxy S5 with 5.0. I highly doubt we see the Galaxy S4 get the full 5.0 update right away, no way. It will be several months at best, and no ROM's either won't be ready.

So yeah, you want Android 5.0 this year. Get a Nexus.

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I agree. I find it crazy that HTC is releasing a brand new next gen phone in the "One" with Android 4.1 which came out June 2012.

Android 4.2 came out November 2012. It is now March 2013, and a brand new phone is still shipping with 4.1. WTF ? Good luck seeing 5.0 anytime soon on the "One", you'll have to wait till the "Two" LOL
[Nexus 4 General] suua:
This is my first Nexus device!! Coming from Galaxy phones and HTc phones and all of my older android devices have been rooted and with costum roms on it AOSP roms. The Nexus 4 is my favorit device! I like flashing roms and the nexus is perfekt for me!! I personaly think that the Nexus 4, smokes the S3 in any way! While i think the OneX had a better screen then the Nexus. I think the nexus 4 is the best device to get in the market right now. Until the HTC ONE comes here. One thing i know for sure is that i will never buy a amoled/pentile screen device again.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
There are things for me which are more important than getting the latest update, which with this phone and its popularity I don't have a lot of concern. First and foremost we will have to wait and see. I like not having on screen nav bars nice on my N7 but on a 4.8 screen its just taking real estate. Could care less about removable batter but its nice to have the option. Expandable storage is highly important. Sure tight Google play music with T-Mobile unlimited is nice but what if I need to cut corners and go on the 2GB I have 60,000 songs so yeah 16gb not going to cut it. Not to mention not everywhere has fast data. Although this is a moot point as I am using liquid smooth ROM the ability to use WiFi calling if needed such as staying in an area with no reception or go on a chatting spree and need more minutes (not likely) is very nice. Plus aside from WiFi calling TW has some nice features (Still prefer aosp)

In the end the N4 and the S3 both great phone. I didn't mean to troll or get into my phone has a bigger penis. For me the S3 is better for me. Had I went into T-Mobile now I would very likely get N4 because you can't beat the price for what you paid for. I am in these rooms because my mom has a N4 and her apt. Gets crappy reception so was checking the WiFi bounty. A problem she would not had if she had a non nexus phone from T-Mobile. I hate when people bash phones like mine is better than yours blah blah. Although bashing OEMS is fine and often encouraged :D
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
That's cool, I agree the S3 is a sweet phone, made even better with CM10.1. Having a removable battery, and external SD/Card are great features the Nexus 4 lacks. Plus you get the nice deep blacks, and vibrant blues and reds with AMOLED, that I miss.

End of the day both the N4 and S3 are very close spec wise. And the top two phones of 2012 in my opinion.

I think for 2013 the best two phones will be the Galaxy S4 and Nexus-Five.

My point though, was when a huge Android OS release comes out, only once every two years for a whole new version number, that existing non Nexus get screwed and left out, and take forever to even see that new update. Where as a Nexus will get it immediately.

This year the Nexus 4 will get 5.0 right away. The S4 and One, will wait a very long time, and won't see 5.0 100% perfect until they make a whole new phone with 5.0 as its base from start, like S5 and Two in 2014.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Too funny. Highly doubt that GS4 gets KLP anytime this year. Im not even the slightest bit concerned about the HTC One. The new Sense will just make it even harder to get 5.0.
[Nexus 4 General] styckx:
Samsung and their ho-hum attitude towards updates is why I stopped buying manufacture supported phones and now tablets. I will never forgive Samsung for the Galaxy Tab 10.1. They gave that thing a buggy as hell ICS update in August 2012 and said "That's it for support, later suckers".. WE WERE ON HONEYCOMB STILL THE ENTIRE TIME UNTIL THAT UPDATE.. It was less than two years old and I paid $500 retail for that thing.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
Yeah, I hope that with Samsung's major success of 2012/2013 that they will want to update to KLP fast, but I am not holding my breath because we all know that OEMS would rather us buy a new phone than keep what we have... I will at least a experience klp with my N7 :)
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I dont think anybody can say that the S3 was a bad phone, unless they had some personal problems or a defect. Everybody has their own preferences. Touchwiz has some nice features. I just dont like the cartoony look and how unorganized it is. But others like it so whatever floats your boat. Stock android suits me because I cant stand carriers adding their own spice to the phone, which in turn makes it harder to upgrade. If I'm spending money and time on a two year contract then I want my phone to at least stay relevant for the entire 2 years. I've been burned too many times by Motorola and HTC to know how that feels to have to wait while everybody else is enjoying newer software. For example, the HTC Thunderbolt just recently received an upgrade to ICS. ICS!!!!! The phone was released in 2011 and ICS came out the exact same year. Its 2013 now. What was the point of even upgrading?
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
I agree my last statement wasn't directed at one here just fan boys at large. I don't like the cartoonish look either and the features are nice some of them where as others are not so much.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
However, something tells me that Samsung is going to be the new Apple of Android. Alot of people will not even acknowledge another phone as being either better or just as good as the S3 or even the S4. For example, so far every samsung phone, except the Captivate, has had a plastic build. And this has been since 2010. Yet you will still see people claiming that the build quality is better than most. The best one I've heard was it was on par with the HTC One X. To even include Samsung in the same sentence as HTC when it comes to build quality is a travesty in itself.