[MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading] Muellmaen:
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Subject: New ROM & radio also here ...

From: Muellmaen

Date: 18 Dec, 2002 10:12:09

At http://www.myxda.com there is

now the Asian ROM 3.14 and radio 4.16 available. But you need an

Asian IMEI Can somebody help out ?

<span class="sm" style="color:#999999">modified: 18 Dec 2002

15:29</span>

Subject: new rom

From: MiNG

Date: 18 Dec, 2002 17:42:24

download at my tempoary ftp server

202.166.108.116

userid: xda

password : xda123

Subject: new rom

From: Muellmaen

Date: 19 Dec, 2002 10:32:31

Hi Ming,

seems that you are also at every corner 8)

Subject: My XDA is fried

From: Confused

Date: 20 Dec, 2002 17:59:00

My XDA stopped flashing in the middle of upgrading the Radio

version 4.16. Now my unit is senseless. I tried to reflash but

it didn't work out.

anybody here knows how to solve this problem? Is it possible to

backup the GSM ROM using the Wallaby bootloader? Any idea if

this can be solved with hyperterminal (parrot) method?

Subject: Fried XDA too...

From: :-(

Date: 20 Dec, 2002 21:07:37

The same happened with my XDA... The Radio Stack Upgrade version

4.16 stopped flashing at 10% and afterwards the GSM part of the

XDA didn't work anymore and the XDA itself started to behave

weird (long boot up time, no ActiveSync connection etc.)

OK, maybe I shouldn't have flashed the Asian RSU version over my

German XDA but it did work with the Irish RSU version.

Now, I will need to buy an MMC/SD card reader and try to restore

the Flash ROM with the ROM image tool from this site...

At least I have some free time around Christmas...

Subject: Hate to say this, but ...

From: XDA developers

Date: 20 Dec, 2002 22:13:02

We've never claimed anything about the phone updates yet.

The XDA-developers ROM Image Tool using SD cards, as published

on this site, will only help you flash the Bootloader and the

Windows CE image, both located in the 32 MB of flash attached to

the main (Strong ARM) processor.

The phone image is uploaded through the PDA to another 4MB of

flash attached to the "digital baseband chip", which is a

completely different (ARM7) processor and DSP combination.

We're working on the GSM ROM, but no guarantees as to when work

is done. If you send us mail at webmaster@xda-developers.com,

we'll try to see if we can help you, and we'll post the outcome

here.

Subject: Fried XDA

From: Festan

Date: 20 Dec, 2002 23:10:57

(I'm the guy who flased the Asian RSU over his German XDA)

Thank you for the clarification about the separate flash memory

areas.

I'm actually suspecting that the failed Radio Stack Upgrade did

some harm to the regular flash memory that stores the OS.

Here is what happened so far in more detail:

- RSU stopped flashing at 10% as described previously

- Soft reset (the big hole)

- XDA needs quiet long to come up because it unsuccessfully

tries to start up GSM but it does come up with the Today screen

at last (and GSM turned off)

- XDA behaves weird (no ActiveSync connection, RSU upgrade

cannot be removed) but is still operable, i.e. reacts to user

input

- Hard reset (the small hole) with 60 secs wait time between

punching into the small hole

- Now the XDA behaves even weirder: Long boot up time, white

screen with a blue border at the top, hardly any reaction to

user input, after pressing the volume button a couple of times

the Today screen appears but somewhat mutilated

So my conclusion is that there must be something wrong with the

flash ROM holding the OS because after the hard reset which

erases all RAM the XDA still doesn't work right. I'm guessing

that if the GSM part cannot correctly be turned on (because of

an incomplete radio stack), it should not severeley impact the

rest of the OS.

Just to inform you: I'm also a developer (telecommunication and

networking) with electrical engineering and computer

architecture background so I don't mind reading all the

technical terms :-)

Subject: Fried XDA

From: Confused

Date: 21 Dec, 2002 08:38:46

Well, I flashed my 3.12 & 4.06 Asian ROM with the Irish 3.14

plus the Radio version 4.14 without any problems. They are

working perfectly until I got an itch to flash the Radio version

4.16. It stopped exactly at 10% and afterwards it behaves as

described above. What happened is that the Top Bar is

completely unusable. I tried a hard reset and the screen is

completely blank. To get to the Today menu, I need to press the

volume buttons. Then by pressing the Action & Calendar keys I

did the screen alignment stuff. I used the same buttons

pressing combination to activate the StartMenu (it's a pain to

get it though). Once I access the StartMenu, I mapped the file

explorer shortcut to the StartUp so it will be activated

everytime I soft resetted my XDA. Then I copied the CAB files

of both 4.14 & 4.16 version and tried to reflash my XDA. But

none of them worked out :cry:

I would be pleased to try any suggestions to bring my XDA back

from the dead :wink:

Subject: Fried XDA

From: Confused

Date: 21 Dec, 2002 08:41:34

Well, I flashed my 3.12 & 4.06 Asian ROM with the Irish 3.14

plus the Radio version 4.14 without any problems. They are

working perfectly until I got an itch to flash the Radio version

4.16. It stopped exactly at 10% and afterwards it behaves as

described above. What happened is that the Top Bar is

completely unusable. I tried a hard reset and the screen is

completely blank. To get to the Today menu, I need to press the

volume buttons. Then by pressing the Action & Calendar keys I

did the screen alignment stuff. I used the same buttons

pressing combination to activate the StartMenu (it's a pain to

get it though). Once I access the StartMenu, I mapped the file

explorer shortcut to the StartUp so it will be activated

everytime I soft resetted my XDA. Then I copied the CAB files

of both 4.14 & 4.16 version and tried to reflash my XDA. But

none of them worked out :cry:

I would be pleased to try any suggestions to bring my XDA back

from the dead :wink:

Subject: flash crash

From: Muellmaen

Date: 21 Dec, 2002 11:31:41

sounds not to god at all ....

What to the experts think about it ? For me it seems, that the

top bar does not show up, because the XDA does not a status from

the phone. What happens if you try to deactivate the phone by

pressing the off hook button (red phone) for several seconds? I

had a similar problem after (trying) to flash the 4.06, but

after a hard reset and switching off the phone I was able to

flash the phone directly from the device. But, as it is unclear

at which point your flash crashed, it might not help. If nothing

helps, just go to a o2 shop and look as innocent as you can

:wink: :wink:

Subject: Flash process not fail safe

From: Idefix

Date: 21 Dec, 2002 16:53:02

As many of you already found there are strong indications that

the flash process is not fail safe. There is very likely *no*

fixed ROM in the whole XDA. This means when the flash process

goes wrong you're stuck cause the CPU can't boot anymore and the

flash process can not be restarted.

FYI this is different from for example a Nokia phone where it

allways first boots from ROM that is not reflashed. This way it

can almost always be repaired with normal flash equipment even

if the flash ROM is completely ****ed.

One thing on the RSU update: it seems that this always is a

partial flash. For example GSM calibration data is always

retained, but also some of the code is not reflashed. This means

that it most likely is an incremental flash and that could mean

it is not useable over just any other existing flash version.

I suspect that the only way to repair a broken flash on an XDA

is to reflash through JTAG or other means of 'in circuit'

flashing.

Idefix

Subject: Top Bar is OK now

From: Confused

Date: 21 Dec, 2002 18:00:11

I managed to get the top bar to work. What I did was I deleted

all shortcuts associated to the phone like SMSReceiver,

Handsfree, poutlook etc. Now after resetting, the top bar is

working. At least now my XDA is usable as a PDA :wink:

Subject: Fried XDA and XDArit attempts

From: Festan

Date: 21 Dec, 2002 18:39:59

Hi,

I played around with XDArit in order to try to repair my XDA. It

took a while and a few flashing attempts until I found out that

the binary file in the official O2 update distribution does

contain the bootloader. It also contains a kind of a header

(ASCII characters) that indicate the version and language.

XDArit does not strip off the header but takes the file as it is

to generate the SD card data. So at first I ended up flashing

something totally wrong into my XDA and it made it even worse

(only Wallaby came up, nothing else).

After stripping off the header and the bootloader data (256K)

and using this altered file for XDArit, I was able to get back

to the point where I was before (white screen, no top bar).

I will try Confused's tips now and hope that I can somehow get

the correct Radio Stack into the device.

Subject: XDA ROM Image Tool

From: XDA developers

Date: 22 Dec, 2002 15:56:27

The text on the XDA ROM Image Tool page has been rewritten, and

is now much easier to understand.

http://xda-developers.com/

XDArit

On the same page, there is now also a diagnostics card image

that allows patching 5.17 bootloaders to be able to dump and

flash from SD.

Festan: XDArit reads the upgrade .nbf files directly, so you did

not need to go through so much trouble. Just select .nbf as the

input file type.

Subject: Rescue XDA RSUpgrade

From: PL

Date: 23 Dec, 2002 10:40:29

I have tried a few times on upgrade and face the same problem as

all of your faced.

You have to take out the SIM and try again. There will be a

message "Take out AC before start" and later it will pass 10%

and it run OK.

Subject: XDA ROM Image Tool

From: Festan

Date: 23 Dec, 2002 21:30:47

XDA Developers:

Yes, I didn't realize that the type of input file for the flash

can be chosen.

However, my XDA still doesn't work properly. The PDA part does

work (after applying Confused's tips) although the response time

to user input is sometimes quite high. The GSM part is still

broken. Maybe the OS tries to access some GSM functionality but

cannot and thus causes the pauses.

Subject: Fried XDA

From: SuperKT

Date: 25 Dec, 2002 04:58:10

Please help to confirm how to solve this problem that I also

faced it.

Subject: Need Bootloader and WinCE ROM

From: SuperKT

Date: 25 Dec, 2002 08:36:13

I tried to solve by the flash ROM but I cannot find the

Bootloader and WinCE ROM Image. Please help to ask me for

downloading. Thanks.

Subject: Images

From: XDA developers

Date: 26 Dec, 2002 12:30:18

You'll all notice we become very quiet when it comes to firmware

images. XDA-developers does not, and will not, distribute

software that carries someone else's copyright. Besides: there's

a number of legal sources for these images on the net: O2

Ireland being the prime source for European O2 users at the

moment.

http://www1.o2.ie/master?content=http://www1.o2.ie/xda_upgra

de

SuperKT: if you really need to flash both bootloader and WinCE,

do as follows:

- Get NT, Win2000 or XP

- Get a PC-card or USB to SD-card adapter

- Get the Irish update and let it install without putting XDA in

cradle.

- Start XDArit (

http://xda-developers.com/

XDArit )

- Write to SD from file, check bootloader and WinCE, and use the

.nbf file from the "English" directory of the upgrade package.

- Insert card in XDA and put in bootloader mode

- Flash from SD

Procedure changes somewhat if you have a 5.17 bootloader. See

the XDArit page mentioned above.

Subject: It doesn't work

From: SuperKT

Date: 27 Dec, 2002 09:47:10

XDA Developers,

I tried to do as suggested but it has an error after ROM Flashed

to XDA "Check sum is not correct". I rebooted my XDA but it's

not been work.

I did :-

- Get Win2000

- Get USB to MMC-Card

- Get NK.nbf in the "English" directory of the Asian upgrade

package

- Write Wallet Patch to MMC-Card because my loader version is

5.17

- Boot from MMC-Card with patch

- Take out MMC-Card

- Write NK.nbf to MMC-Card

- Put MMC-Card into XDA

- Select Restore from SD

- It was flashing until finished at 200000 and have the error

"Check Sum is not correct" , Cold boot, Reset

- I dis rest but it's still the same problem

- If boot by loader it has still been "GSM Error".

Subject: Flash problems

From: XDA developers

Date: 29 Dec, 2002 14:33:24

We're aware of multiple people having problems wrecking their

phones during upgrades, usually using the normal RSU upgrade

packs meant for their phone. There's currently not much we can

do, but we are peeking more and more into what is happening

during the phone upgrade process. More info will certainly

follow in the next few weeks.

As for the WinCE part not flashing correctly: flashing through

the bootloader has been very reliable for us, and we're not

aware of others having similar problems. SuperKT: please send us

an even more detailed description of what you did exactly via

e-mail to webmaster@xda-developers.com.

Subject: XDA Update Problem

From: onkeldietmar

Date: 30 Dec, 2002 09:05:30

Hello,

Festan please contact me. i have the same problem as you.

i' ll hope you can help me, because i don't want to sent my XDA

to the service center.

Thanks

yeager@web.de

Subject: ROM Upgrade

From: FintonK

Date: 06 Jan, 2003 12:57:53

Hi,

is there any chance someone could send me a link to download the

new Asian ROM 4.16, i tried MiNGS but the ftp server is no

longer active. I dont have an Asian IMEI to get it from

www.myxda.com :cry:

Subject: Or Please mail it to me!

From: FintonK

Date: 06 Jan, 2003 12:58:38

happyone80@o2.ie

THANKS!

Subject: ASIA rom removed

From: westa

Date: 08 Jan, 2003 08:53:35

Not long after the ASIA rom update was published it was removed

from the myxda website. It looks like there are some ... need to

be fixed issues with that rom ... flash it at your own risk me

thinks.

Westa

Subject: GSM ROM

From: eladsalad

Date: 08 Jan, 2003 18:43:40

i have managed to resurrect my PDA from the dead using the tips

on this post (thanks guys) and have been fiddling to see if i

can get the GSM part working again.

dropping the (rsu_eng.exe) GSM ROM CAB file onto a SD card and

then into my XDA and 'tapping'it starts the Flash Update 1.08

program, tho it doesn't complete (or really start the flash

actually). I have tried a few different things (like SIM/no SIM

and AC Power/no AC) but to no avail.

anyone have any ideas what may be stopping the rsu program from

working?

thanks to xda-dev for they're excellent work and the guys in

this post for thier advice.

Subject: cannot enter patched BL

From: Bong99

Date: 09 Jan, 2003 04:21:03

My BootLoader is 5.17 and I follow the

http://xda-developers.com

/XDArit/

I copy the file "wallaby-patch-tool.nb2" into my 64 MB SD card

to the root directory. Then enter the bootloader mode with

inserted the SD card.

But it cannot enter the Patched BL mode.....

Am I doing something wrong?

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Thanks