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[Nexus 4 General] Zurginator:
While yes the bill of materials is sub $200 on pretty much every phone, that doesn't take into account the 3 most expensive parts:

1) Design (Including engineering, prototypes, etc.)

2) Marketing (Hands down the most expensive portion)

3) Logistics

PLUS manufacturing, but that's almost negligible. Yes, carriers do add a cost to the devices -- but remember they have to maintain stock in their stores, do their own marketing, and of course profit.

Or maybe I'm a designer that knows what the f*** he's talking about? It's the same thing with the film and game industries. Everyone screams about how everything is the same, and all these sequels --- yet they ignore all the new movies/games, which then don't recoup the development costs, causing them to not be produced. For example, Far Cry 3 probably wouldn't have sold half as well if it had been "Rook Island". Besides being an open-world FPS, FC3 and FC2 have almost nothing in common --- but it's the brand that sold it.

In fact it could be one of the contributing factors to HTC's market position. Sure, us tech people understand their phone lines --- but the average consumer? Not so much. HTC needs to land a solid brand, market the heck out of it, and then run a series. You ask a 'normal' person which phone is better out of their lineup, and they'll have no idea (One, One S, One X, One X+, One V, Droid DNA). Samsung has the S1, S2, S3, S4. Clear, easy to identify primary product, with an over-arching "Galaxy" brand. Same with Apple under "iPhone". Google is somewhere in between, with an over-arching brand (Nexus), but then the device names jump all over the place. Motorola is in the same ship as HTC, although they have the overarching "Droid" and "Razr" brands for Verizon. I don't know what the hell LG is doing.

I foresee KLP once again being a 'minor' update. ICS was huge because it was a complete and total overhaul of Android to give it it's own character. From here on out (at least for several years) it's going to be updates on the same idea. Once again playing back to if you change things too often, the average consumer is going to flip out. Not to mention the fact that devs would be pissed at having to overhaul their apps yet again --- and look at how few have done so in the first place.
[Nexus 4 General] neo6776:
I love my N4 apart from the video camera on it. The sound quality on it is absolutely rotten!
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
They dropped support because the system partition is too small. Custom roms were able to hack around this/remove things.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
I think Samsung is already at that point, and although build quality of most Samsung phones have been durable the S3 is the exception. HTC IMO has the best build quality in terms of both how it feels and its durability. HTC is the worst when it comes to updates though and their S-off boot loaders suck. I am hoping with this new apple like following they will also update often. Compared to most OEMS Samsung does have a better track record than most. I agree still not enough... Thank God for Samsung making it easy to flash SU and recovery on their phones :)
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Yeah Samsung does have a better track record when it comes to updates. It wasn't always like that though. HTC and especially Motorola need to step their game up when it comes to updates and allowing unlocked bootloaders.
[Nexus 4 General] AshtonTS:
You're not very bright are you?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
My biggest complaint is why no expandable storage, this is what in the past separated Android from Apple. Google and now HTC are forcing us to use the cloud. Cloud is nice if you always have a strong signal and have unlimited data. Not to mention most cloud storage cost a monthly membership. I think this is where the "backlash" comes in for most people. The more dependent we are on the cloud, which is Google's agenda, otherwise I am sure the Nexus line of phones would be much more expensive
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I've always wondered that since the nexus s. Google's reasoning doesn't make one bit of sense to me. I, mean, if they want the nexus to be more mainstream, wouldn't they add a feature that the mainstream focuses on? I think they and HTC are looking at the iPhone's success regardless of expandable storage.
[Nexus 4 General] plznote:
Clueless. Google gets money by advertising and data mining you. That's why they're forcing the cloud down our throats.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Which in turn makes more and more people go towards Samsung phones. I understand how they make money but forcing one way isnt helping them. One of the reasons Samsung is doing so well is because they are giving the consumers what they want in a smartphone. Expandable storage? Got it. Removable battery? Got that as well. Features? Too many to count. Accessories? Probably almost as much as the iPhone.
[Nexus 4 General] plznote:
As long as it's running Android, Google is data mining.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
Yup Google really doesn't care which phone we use, hell Google doesn't even care if we use wp8 or iPhone, they care about the services that they use. Even Apple trying to stick it to iOS users won't stop Google from making money off of iOS. Google is in a nice position where they have almost no competitor in terms of making money. I am sure Google would rather I buy a Nexus rather than a Samsung, but Google makes way too much money off of Samsung to really care that much

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Didn't Google say about the N4 that users might get confused. I thought I read that somewhere maybe I am confused.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
That's what I read also. What exactly is there to get confused about? If Google doesn't really care which phone we use then y make phones that are lacking popular features in the first place? For the sake of having options? They have to come up with something better than the excuse they gave about the Nexus devices not having expandable storage.
[Nexus 4 General] plznote:
Imo I think it is to discourage manufacturers from using micro sd slots.
[Nexus 4 General] filterking:
This! Except 1 is not limited to high school age. I'm astonished at how people judge their self worth based on a phone.

The Nexus 4 works for me. No signing a deal with the devil for 2 years to be able to purchase a phone. $350.00 bucks and I'm free to connect to an array of providers. Yes there are other phones that I may prefer, but none are in a price range I am willing to pay. The Nexus 4 does everything I need, then some.

Thank you Google. I'm very happy with the Nexus 4, so happy I got one for a non tech friend. She is also very happy. I will most likely purchase a newer model when released. I feel for $350.00 I have a great tool that equals devices costing much more. I felt the same way with my Galaxy Nexus also.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Lol well that idea hasn't worked quite yet.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
If Samsung starts following than IMO its all down hill from there. I feel bad for folks who live in a edge/1x zone because then the cloud is almost worthless
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I agree. There are still a few manufacturers that include SD card slots. However, none are as prevalent as Samsung. Once Samsung stops expandable storage then time to go to WP8 lol
[Nexus 4 General] gamepr:
Sony makes good quality phones!
[Nexus 4 General] MrBelter:
Its just a shame the support for them from Sony is utter shít.
[Nexus 4 General] aimcr7:
Looks like sony will fix it in 2013 device, they even released xperia z kernel source before the phone available to buy. And rumor said they will release an 4.2 update for xperia z in the end of march.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Let's hope so. Sony isnt known to have a good track record when it comes to updates.
[Nexus 4 General] ref1ux:
I've had all the major releases over the past few years (SGS2/3, One X, GNex etc.) and I can confidently say that the Nexus 4 is the best of the lot. Is it my favourite phone though? No - because it's not very exciting. Really, it's just a facelift of the Galaxy Nexus and whilst that's fine, it doesn't blow me away. I'm keen to see what gets unveiled at Samsung Unpacked next week and Google I/O in a few months.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
I feel ya, but honestly what blows anyone away these days? I mean instant wow factors like screen size or detail? Form and design yeah maybe but with 4.7 inch+ phones becoming the standard, feel like its limited to so many designs at this size. Not questioning your thoughts, just wondering what people are looking forward to in terms of what will "wow" them on future models.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Sony told us they would fix it in 2012 devices, too.

Look at how Sony shafted all Xperia S users.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
Wonders if LG could become big with the success of the N4?

Anyone here think LG phones( minus nexus) look like Samsung. Both the design/form factor and the OEM skin?
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
Totally agree. I have also had some of the top phones last two years; EVO 3D...Nexus-S...Galaxy S2...Galaxy Nexus...HTC One X...Note 2 ( returned due to way too big for me ) and now I have the Nexus 4.

I would say the One X and Nexus 4 were my to favorites of the last two years. The Nexus 4 does have pretty good battery life with the right ROM, and custom kernel, but it does not wow me, or make me think, this thing is awesome amazing, nope. I do like the N4, it is a very nice phone, but compared to my Galaxy Nexus, it just seems like a better version of that phone, but not night and day way better.

Now comparing the Nexus-S to the next gen Galaxy Nexus that came out just one year later, those two phones are a major difference, the Galaxy Nexus over the Nexus-S felt like a massive upgrade and major change for the better. Where as going to the Nexus 4 from the Galaxy Nexus does not feel nearly as a big of an update.

I am hoping the Nexus-Five is a big update, I want it to be like the Galaxy S4, with 5" 1080p screen, but also super thin + big battery, I think the S4 is supposed to be as thin as the iPhone 5, but packing a massive 2600mh sized battery in that thin design, which if true is pretty amazing.

I might be tempted by the Galaxy S4, if it's as good as the early rumors, large screen, but small bezel around the frame, and very thin and lightweight, while still packing a beefy sized battery. If it can be rooted quickly, and get CM10.1 ROM's right away, I will get the S4 once CM ROM is available for it.

I have no idea whats in store hardware and design wise for the next Nexus-Five ? Will it be another LG made phone, which most think is likely. It won't be a Samsung made Nexus, that's for sure. I would like to see an HTC Nexus again, or even Sony made Nexus. But please, pack in a large battery, copy what Motorola does with their MAXX, a huge 3300mh batter, but still a thin phone.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
I really wish Google would let Asus make the Nexus phone. The N7 is so awesome.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
I think in general 2011-2012 were very close era for smart phones. The standard was dual core, 1gb ram, 8mpxl camera. Of course 2012 was a better but not quite as big the difference between 2010-2011. I mean I don't think the s3 was that big of a jump from the s2. Bigger and better screen. Extra ram(us version) and upgraded os(shame on Samsung for not keeping it current for a device that still sells very well especially since it opened to prepaid) other than that they are very similar
[Nexus 4 General] ToledoG28:
I have an iphone, sgs2 and sgs3. Of course, nexus 4 is just the boss!!
[Nexus 4 General] monkeypaws:
Its not much backlash but I've tried these past few days to convince my wife to get a nexus and after I told her about the no SD card she said never. She made a good point. She's. Been using the mytouch 4g since it came out oh 3 years ago. She takes tons of pictures and would rather have them saved securely and safely on her SD that. Be on the "cloud". Her argument was. Sobif sknekne steals my phone or it breaks. How do i recover tbat if I didn't use the cloud. She wants the note 2.
[Nexus 4 General] pak-stars:
this is LGs best phone they ever made...hopefully they can continue in the right direction...there will be updates we will just need to be patient and wait it out for key lime pie
[Nexus 4 General] dinesh690:
Personally, I have had the One X, Galaxy S2 and Gs3 but the nexus 4 has this very sophisticated and snappy feel to it which is unrivaled. Only thing which I hate is the battery life. The note 2 and gs3 really show it up in terms of battery life but in terms of everything else this is by far the most enjoyable experience
[Nexus 4 General] jlear3:
I love mine, especially after taking off my xtremeguard (only because I'm rmaing it) definitely looking into a better clearer sp
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Note 2 has a 3000 mAh battery. Not a very fair comparison. What kind of battery life does the GS3 get? It is not uncommon to get 5+ hours screen on time with a Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I believe the S3 and Nexus 4 have the same battery size. I've heard the Nexus 4 has better battery life then the S3, but just by a little.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Asus makes really good products hardware wise. I love their Transformer line and the N7 was just awesome.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
My brother in law has an S3, same as mine as far stock no root...he probably uses it less through the course of the day than I do, and his battery life seems substantially shorter than mine. Perhaps its the AT&T 4g?
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Which carrier are u with? LTE normally uses more battery than say HSPA+
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
I'm with Tmo so HSPA+, battery seems more than sufficient. Guess that plays a big part.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
iPhone lacks design
[Nexus 4 General] justFaisal:
Asus motherboards for PC are sick!

They are best at that, Google should consider Asus for the next nexus phone.

I'm sure we won't have any heating issues with their product.

I'm kinda mad at LG because of the

heating issue but i love the nexus 4 design!
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
I have also always been am Asus fan but when I got the N7, I said I would be shocked if they didn't make the next Nexus phone...then Google didn't even let them make the N10 lol smh.
[Nexus 4 General] moe6:
The Nexus 4 doesn't get anywhere as hot as the Galaxy Nexus did. GN gets seriously proper hot.
[Nexus 4 General] djwyman:
I have a nexus 4 and I love the thing...my GF has a GSIII and it has too much stuff in the software that anoys me because I am too used to vanilla android as I previously had a nexus s. reading threw this topic some people talked about how the nexus 1 and the nexus s got dropped as far as support from google...well in that aspect so did the iphone iphone 3g and iphone 3gs...And why exactly were all of these phones dropped...hardware limits that and they are over 2 years old...who supports a phone for longer than 2 years? who even keeps a phone for over 2 years?

anyway people like or don't like the N4...for me I love it...I like the screen, I love the look of the glass back regardless of reports of it being fragile, I have no issues with the camera...if I want a great camera I will use a real camera not a camera on a phone regardless of how good they have gotten...that being said I think the nexus 4 camera does good enough for what I use it for, the price was great for me and not having to be stuck on a contract was even better, The not having LTE does not effect me one bit as none of the phone companies have LTE support in my city as of yet...but AT&T and T-mobile both have HSPA+ support here so buying a phone with capabilities I cant use seems useless to me. Lastly for the next two years I get to most likely get the newest version of android that comes out.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
I agree. To each his own. Everybody has a preference. Some people prefer LTE while others dont mind HSPA+. Some prefer expandable storage while others dont mind cloud storage. It just depends on the person and their lifestyle. I love my Nexus 4 and cant wait for KLP to arrive just so I can floss it in front of the S4 holders and say that a phone 6 months older got the newset version of android :D
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
True but trust me cm11 won't be far behind :)
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
Which the nexus will get first as well ;)
[Nexus 4 General] BrianDigital:
And must likely efficient drivers as well
[Nexus 4 General] helios.z3r0:
Hi, my name is Helios, and I am a former GS3 owner.

The draw to me for phones is not really hardware, it is the software. Every flash, every ADB command, every article I read was for one purpose: to bring me as close to the true Android experience as possible. Touchwiz, Sense, Motoblur, they all just got in my way in my pursuit. Purchasing a phone has rarely been about hardware since the implementation of dual-core, with the exception of NFC.

That said, I purchased the Nexus because I wanted the updates. The HTC Rezound took months to get ICS, the Thunderbolt even longer! When I got the GS3 I thought things would be different. They werent. Jelly Bean 4.1 rolled out and not soon after, Android was at 4.2. The frustration! Rooting and flashing Cyanogenmod and later LiquidSmooth helped, but oh the bugs and battery life! I grew tired of flashing, reflashing, restoring, redownloading, and otherwise starting from scratch. So, I made the switch.

No LTE? I am not downloading or streaming netflix on the go. All that data speed, wasted. Imagine the battery saved by the phone NOT looking for those scarce LTE towers! No removable storage? I giggle, I use my phone as a PDA and to maintain the connection to the world. It is not a gameboy. Removable battery? 11-16 hours of battery life with consistent usage. Poor viewing angles? ...........what? Camera not as good as the gs3? Photosphere.

Overall, buying a Nexus is not like buying a "mainstream" phone like Samsung. You buy the Nexus for the same reason you should buy any phone. The experience. Nexus delivers, the rest barrage you with features that are undoubtedly good, but lack a very critical detail: reliable, prompt updates. That is one compromise I will never make again.
[Nexus 4 General] jlbanks:
you, sir, have made a great decision...welcome to the nexus world of google
[Nexus 4 General] plznote:
Are you an English university professor? You're so well spoken. /mindblown
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
My only issue with my Nexus 4 is that I sound very choppy to everyone on the other line for all my calls. I don't think it's Tmobile because I've had the GN previously and calls were fine. Not sure what's going on.
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
Radio maybe do you have the latest ones installed?
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
This! The Exynos 4xxx repositories are in a horrible state because Samsung don't make working source drops and I can't see their developer support improving in the future. They've completely snubbed the CM maintainers who have pointed this out to them, they've lied about improving the source they release, they break the GPL by releasing new versions of Android without any corresponding kernel source. That and their propensity to release buggy hardware would put me off buying any Samsung phone, even if it is technically the best on the market.
[Nexus 4 General] cgulliver:
Coming from the GS3, the N4 is my first pure Google phone. After a week I am loving it and not looking back. Sure you can get CM for non Google phones but having hw designed for native AOSP is where the android experience shines.

Other than custom kernels and tweaks, I'm sticking with stock experience.
[Nexus 4 General] Ieatnoobs:
Came from a IPhone 5.

IPhone's are extremely well made but software wise it was pretty much stayed still since it first came out. I feel that with Android/Nexus devices I'm not limited like Apple limits its users on what they can and cannot do.
[Nexus 4 General] AnotherBill:
Most people fail to realize the purpose and tradeoffs of a Nexus device. They are never the best, they are a 'bar' in development for manufacturers to base their Android based devices on. The tradeoff is they are typically a mid-level or slightly better device with top tier support (so far as the Android world is concerned.)

Anyone who complains about any of them not being the best has simply missed the point.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
I must admit that the new features rumored to be in the GS4 look pretty damn sweet if they implemented correctly. The whole smart screen what ever that follows your eyes while reading and pauses media while you turn away. For an almost hands free experience. My intuition tells me that it will have some flaws and may not be ready for prime time. Still I like the direction where Samsung is going...that being said will still run an aosp if I do decided to sell my GS3 to get it. If Samsung can get this working flawlessly I wouldn't be surprised if Google implements that into a future Android release who knows...

About nexus getting KLP first, that is undisputed fact. I will say its fun to watch a ROM progress as the developers squash bugs. I mean the progress of 4.2 has been really cool. Or like the old school HTC mytouch 4G finally getting a stable ICS ROM, then getting working camera then later front facing camera. The Jellybean came out and boom there it was. Even though I no longer have the MT4G I will be stocked if it can get a somewhat functional KLP

SGS III running liquid smooth 4.2.2
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
While I understand what your saying...I'm confused by it being a mid level or slightly better device? What hardware features is it lacking behind other phones right now that limit it to a mid level device? Lack of LTE? Or even expandable storage both of which are very negotiable to most users.
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
I used lumia 920, s3, htc one x, htc one x+ and now using nexus 4. Only thing I'm missing is the camera quality of lumia and the storage of one x+ other than that nexus is the best.
[Nexus 4 General] Nigeldg:
To be fair, people will hate on pretty much anything. Look at the comments in this article. Hate for the N4, Samsung, Nokia, Xolo (an Indian company) and even India itself all in the space of 48 comments. It's ridiculous. In the words of Limp Bizkit, 'now I know why you want to hate me, 'cause hate is all the world has ever seen lately' (another thing everyone seems to hate, but I think their singles sound good).
[Nexus 4 General] gotzaDroid:
Just so you know, Netflix works great even when at&t throttles me to 500kbps after I hit my 5gb cap on my unlimited plan ;)
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
The Nexus 4 wasnt really sent out for that purpose like the other Nexus'. I think ever since the Gnex they are really targeting consumers and actually trying to make the best phone. I think the Nexus 4 is a top tier device with top tier support also. Google wanted this phone to be the best and they wanted a lot of people to buy them.
[Nexus 4 General] jbuggydroid:
500kbps never seen that on my optimus g on sprint. Bought a nexus 4 and testing out T-Mobile 30 dollar plan. Love the data speed on it
[Nexus 4 General] djwyman:
How is the n4 or any nexus device mid level in specs? When the n4 came out it had the best processor on the market...the most ram it has a top tier screen resolution... Heck it has a WiFi antenna that picks up both n class frequencies which is rare for all devices not just phones. ..that is top tier stuff right there. Yes it don't have the best camera but that is a trade off because it doesn't use proprietary software to run it...yes it doesn't have expandable storage but neither does the elitist iPhone...and lte well unless you live in a fairly large city not many people have LTE coverage anyway.