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[One (M7) General] arknailed7754:
No...we put the phone for repair like I might do lol
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
well your photos don't look so bad in small size

can you post them again in full? (dropbox or something)
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
More Galaxy S3 vs HTC One samples for you.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
if you are sure your lens is clean, its pretty clear you have a serious focus problem on your phone, might even be a tilted sensor

i suggest you return it

no point in struggling, your pictures are clearly worst than anything we've seen and therefore most be a defect
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
I hope it is just a defect , lets hope that is all it is. There is a return's package waiting at home for me. it'll be back in the post tomorrow. Back to the plastic then!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
your phone should at the very least take similar photos to the ones posted by jonathan_phang

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vekrvryv2u9jism/TW2b-MPVbl/HTC One Test Pictures#/

these are of similar lighting to yours

hope it help you figure out if you have a defect
[One (M7) General] arknailed7754:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qdespdsdby3a5j6/paPsRaDXtX

today was overcast,but thought they should still come out better,what you reckon. At the current time i can send this unit back to phones4u. It was ready for tuesday for me to post but decided against it but i can still send it back..i thought it might be software related hence why i decided not to send it back.Looks like my device was one of the first made in feburary

The second issue is hissing when video recording but again i think that might also be software related,ive seen some videos on youtube that also had the faint hissing but then also if it was a sound issue across the board surely youd have that on every sound related item etc. You only notice when your in a quiet room taking footage
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
It looks like you still have the plastic film over the camera lens! Not good at all.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
doesn't look like a defect to me unlike mwatson's photos

but there is clear over sharpening you should try to reduce it to -1 or -2

and try again in better light before you decide
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
more samples fro me https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vd5ku0b95l4zadf/_5JWI0ucVh

anyone think my unit is defective?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes definitely its failing to achieve distance focus, most of your samples are blurred unless you are intentionally failing focus or relying on auto focus completely?

hold on are all these taken with sharpness -2?

they look so incredibly blurred and soft, so maybe sharpness -2 is actually causing damage (i dont have the One to test for myself)
[One (M7) General] llothar:
Compare yours

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vd5ku0b95l4zadf/_5JWI0ucVh#f:2013-03-27 17.37.05.jpg

to

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vekrvryv2u9jism/TW2b-MPVbl/HTC One Test Pictures#f:IMAG0142.jpg

World of a difference. Especially when viewed in original resolution. Yours look as if you added gaussian blur to it while on the other you can count the stones from the ground. There IS something wrong with your unit.
[One (M7) General] 007xico:
Been reading this thread since the day one and must say what disappointment the camera turned out to be.

It is obvious that is something wrong with it, is it software ??? hardware ??? or is just the ultrapixel that is not as good as other standard cameras ???

Don't know but like me many others will think twice before buying a Htc one. I am so sad because i really wanted this phone and i sold the nexus 4 because the camera is s****

:(
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
check this :) someone asking on the s4 forum, so we are not alone in such assumption
[One (M7) General] arknailed7754:
Yeah in relation to mine. I'll keep hold of it. If I decide it is defective I'll send it to HTC. For all I know I could send it back to phones4u and get another phone with issues.least with warranty repair if it's defective they will sort the unit. End of the day this might end up there anyway.

Feel a bit bad for the phone in a way lol

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This is a stupid post dude. The one x had major issues..WiFi etc. After all that was sorted it was happy days.sane goes for the nexus.just because of a bad batch or issue.I wouldnt just rule it out. Go get an s4 see what issues that has lol
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
stop talking sh1t. you didnt read the whole thread
[One (M7) General] 007xico:
Is a stupid post because??? you own the phone and have to tell yourself and the rest of the world that you are the coolest guy around because you have the best phone ever made :confused:

Dont need to be an expert in photography to see the problems in some of the pics posted here.
[One (M7) General] marmarm:
Maybe stupid questions but will ask...second set is much better, that's no brainer...but they still look washed out and overexposed...or is it just me? What do you think? I remember that The Verge mentioned it in their comparison...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the keyword is: some
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
yea its stupid. obviously u drew conclusion just from 1 bad example, and omitting all other great examples.

and mwatson's set is defective thats for sure

how is that not stupid?
[One (M7) General] arknailed7754:
No mate second suggestion wind your neck in. Read the post again. There was no disrespect. How am I cool exactly by stating give a device a chance before writing it off. The point remains regardless of your childish comment. A stupid post
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
check this guys

a blog post about the camera with lots of samples

from one of HTC's programmers

http://neatocode.tumblr.com/post/45901486170/htcone-photo-journey#_=_

edit: they look similar to the results around here...
[One (M7) General] jaaystott:
Can't believe how close they let me get, two with filters one nice and close ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the daylight photos from the link i posted above have the same qualities

slight washout in daylight (i guess since its eating more light) and slight over processing

i think we shouldnt expect more from this 4MP sensor anymore

mwatson camera is clearly a defect unless he is using -2 sharpness and not setting his focus well

as for the rest, the photos from here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vekrvryv2u9jism/TW2b-MPVbl/HTC One Test Pictures#f:IMAG0142.jpg are as good as it gets

im starting to lean toward the One X had a much better camera...

anyway Anandtech's mega HTC One review is almost done and Brian analyzing the camera deeply, so all will be answered with this review
[One (M7) General] john291:
These are not good....

I am canceling my order on the htc one...:(
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
this is thread is trying to be constructive

so if you anymore of you have a useless "no good, im cancelling" keep it to yourselves!
[One (M7) General] john291:
Sorry i was very disapointed so i posted it..

I was realy looking forward to my htc one..

Sorry:(
[One (M7) General] arknailed7754:
The one x cameras great you can't fault it.
[One (M7) General] gruuvin:
I imagine that a 20% yield for camera sensors is a result of something REALLY wrong with the sensor manufacturing process, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 20% that were passed was the result of a HUGE quality compromise to somewhat minimize losses for all parties involved. In other words, if quality checks were not compromised a bit, maybe they would only have a 10% yield!!

I am a big skeptic of companies being absolutely ethical when it comes to huge losses of dollars.They will ALL compromise quality a bit here and there if it avoids huge revenue losses.

So, I am going to wait a LONG time before I buy the One, because I believe there are some sensors out there on some Ones that barely passed the compromised test. And it may take a while before all the problems get worked out with this device. There is just too much incentive now to release a quality-compromised product.

And that would explain, to some degree, why we are not seeing consistently good results from some Ones.
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Any comparison between HTC Butterfly camera and One?

Too bad the Butterfly lack devs for good roms support
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
In confused as I've not had one bad picture ?

Took with no tweaking of the settings

I use expensive dslr as my main cameta but the one shows outside anyone shots

The only dissatisfaction I have is the noisey pics with the zoom

My pics are all over this thread
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
These two are definitely set to 0 sharpness

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7gnv0c0pt68m676/2013-03-27 17.57.39 copy.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nimodu8gmb2cdma/2013-03-27 17.53.37 copy.jpg
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yup definitely something wrong with your device mate, sorry :(

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i've seen your photos definitely better than others

but this exactly it, the camera will not give you bad photos, since it's equipped not to do so "OIS, shutter speed, good low light"

but the quality of those photos is in question, we are not discussing "good" or "ok" photos but the way HTC is hyping and some of the samples we've seen it should be "impressive" even though its only 4MP

Exposure, contrast, color balance and even focus are all in question

the samples in OP and even in my post here are of a different level, especially when it comes to colors and edge processing

something is really fishy....
[One (M7) General] craftycarper1:
Quiet night in.....
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
http://mobilenet.cz/clanky/htc-one-...1605/2-fotoaparat-multimedia-a-ostatni-funkce

yup yup definitely the One X wins this battle except low light

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this is one is pretty nice considering...

still its pretty clear to me where the camera at

good low light, no motion blurs and average image quality

but with all the camera abilities and some skill i'm sure you can get nail great results
[One (M7) General] joslicx:
HTC One Camera tips: How to take better pictures

HTC One camera tips: How to take better pictures: http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-one-camera-tips-how-shoot-stuff-better
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
awesome article did you see this HDR? :eek: its almost 3D

why the hell does it look so good in the view finder? :eek:

The mystery continues, I have decided im not buying anything before the April batch

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nice info about ZOE

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nice info about ZOE

anyway either one of two, we have different sensors shipping

or simply put its a matter of skill
[One (M7) General] BastoJ:
Wow some of those pictures look absolutely great, certainly suggests that either the camera can be very capable or that there are two sensors as you suggest. Certainly hasn't put me off getting the phone as most of the pictures look at least of similar quality to those from my current Lumia 800.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
with the exception of mwatson's photos which are clearly a defect

im starting to lean toward skill, this camera is unique and you need to learn how to take advantage of it

anyway i really hope for everyone's sake there is only one sensor

i just read a post today of an S3 user worried if the s4 will have one Sony (better) vs Samsung sensor like the s3 :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] arknailed7754:
Bit annoying you have to fiddle to get the shot.it's debateable whether HTC made the right call with the camera. Regardless there are third party apps if needed. The other specs alone sell itself. The screen.speed.sense 5. And I know some don't like it. Blinkfeed.

At least if anything HTC come up with new ideas and try things. Unlike some..apple..and sorry Samsung you to this time around lol
[One (M7) General] jonathan_phang:
That looks familiar :) Yes, there definitely seems to be some issue with the camera focus on mrwatsons shots. I often wonder if the fact that there isnt a more explicit focus lock indicator is helping to cause some photos. I've shot quite few shots that looked fine on the camera but when viewed on dropbox, were maybe not totally focused. I just look out for that 'pulse' to show that focus has been achieved, but part of me thinks it could have been done better.

In terms of those test shots, the light was not so great, so thats contributed to the noisiness present, but on looking at them again, it does look that the sharpness has been a factor. I've now turned it to -1 and will keep adding to that album with any new shots. I've added a nice one of a stack of coke cans (dont ask!) that was in the office, and that turned out well. Check it out.

Outdoor wise (which is where most of my test pictures were taken), in addition to the over-processing, they definitely do look a little washed out. I have decided to lower exposure one notch and see if that helps a little, if any. If I can get out to take more shots tomorrow then I will see if that helps. I only took photos with auto, and will continue to do so as that my most usual real life use case.

Overall, the camera is decent, and the caveat is definitely that this is case only when you view them on a desktop computer. Even shots that I might not be happy with on my PC look fantastic on the device. Not sure if its the PPI, or the screen itself, but all pictures taken look great. Many people just snap away for their own memories and convenience, but rarely print them all out, or look at them at 100% etc. If you can live with that, then you have a great overall device.

Personally, I will live with it and hope that something can be done with an update (well, it happened with Lumia 920 users, so why not us). Its still a very good device and I guess we may have to live with a little disappointment.

I'll keep snapping. Any thoughts on my pics would be good :) Mind you for the life of me I cant get a decent HDR shot no matter how steady I am. Need to keep practicising.

JP
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Well I remember seeing a focus lock option somewhere

And yes if I downscale your photos they look impressive, its only in full scale that it reveals its weakness
[One (M7) General] jaaystott:
They are awful on the screen here, as they haven't uploaded in proper quality however if you saw the pictures on the actual camera you would agree that they are good.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Images posted on the HTC blog, calling it the food phone

the articles contains some very nice tips on how to take the best food photos

so im thinking if you guys want to blindly click shutter and expect to be mind blown its not gonna work, this is the mentality of the iPhone, one click and you have a fake impressive image (yes fake because the iPhone auto enhanes the image by cropping the levels etc)

this camera is well equipped with tons of hardware features and adjustable settings, if you put some effort into it will impress you
[One (M7) General] gabit23:
The answer to all the talks about April's update:

https://plus.google.com/+PhilNickinson/posts/BkaNVpcNySN

All of the retail devices will launch with software version 1.28, that was rolled out to the pre-release ones only 3 days ago.

This is one of the reasons for the big difference in the quality of the pictures from different sites (The verge vs Android Central).

It will be helpful if everyone who posts samples here will also add his s/w version.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no actually i figured it out the washouts part at least :) something we always forget

the reason why you are all getting these washed out colors are simply because the camera captures a lot of light, by default HTC never does like the iPhone, they don't attempt to "auto" improve your photo, they give you the real result

What auto enhance does is like the iPhone and Photoshop, it applies Auto Level/Auto Contrast/Auto colors, Auto levels crops the maximum while and black point in the graph in order to get rid of washed out greys

Since the HTC Desire you can always go to the gallery select your photo > edit > Effects > Auto Enhance

check this post from the One X to get an idea about HTC auto enhance or check my Desire HD camera guide

i have tested it using my One X on jonathan_phang's photos and the results are great, uploading soon
[One (M7) General] jonathan_phang:
The only there is unfortunately, is to lock focus in video, but nothing that I can see in general photos.

All mine are on 1.28.161.7

Oh cool, will be interesting to see the difference.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Ok here are jonathan_phang's photo with Auto Enhance applied from the Gallery on the One X, his original's are here

Original:

+ HTC gallery Auto Enhance:

The rest all are Auto Enhanced, as you can see all washout is gone as the black / white levels are cropped by this built-in feature

HTC should be done with this and simply include a default auto "Auto Enhance" apply feature

Full sized here

more about HTC Auto Enhance from my One X post here

Now Jonathan's Image are perfect example of why you need HDR which he did not use, the sky is over cast if you place the exposure in the sky the ground willl be dark and if you place it on the ground like he did the sky will washout

i have no doubt the results would have been much better with HDR or Backlight used

here is an example of HDR use in an overcast scene from my One X, like all reviewers stated (except phone and gsm arena) since the One X HTC has the best HDR on a phone

Exposure on the sky:

HDR:

more HDR from the One X here
[One (M7) General] marmarm:
I would say that they have some defect in their unit as each picture's right side is blurry but they are doing interesting comparison with two digital cameras..

http://www.mobilmania.cz/clanky/htc...xelovy-fotoaparat/sc-3-a-1323284/default.aspx
[One (M7) General] nebulaoperator:
photo samples and some strange loose sound in phone

Hi Everyone,

Photos : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/06u2p846x4xva3i/hEk5wMBa9N

Strangely enough when I hold tight my phone in my hand I can hear some sound inside the phone where the lens located. It is if something loose inside. I also noticed that lens mechanism ( i think so. What else could possibly make that sound when doing it....read further) makes some subtle grinding sound if I could say so when photo is taken and I press the preview thumbnail on the top right side and it does every time. My impression is if the lens shuts down or shrinks inside. These things are minor but they start to annoy me as device is brand new (2 weeks) and I would not expect it from device of that premium build quality. Honestly don't know what to think.

Secondly I found out focus inconsistencies . When I focus far ahead of me at the end of the road camera somehow manages to get a better or I would say prime focus on the car just next to me on the left. (you'll see in the images I provided).

Another thing ...these photos on the road was taken this morning and light conditions are perfect as you don't direct light but it's more that enough to capture beautiful photos. I am particular disappointed of the hedge as it is washed out. And I tried different focus points but that is as good as it gets. Most of the photos has focus in the middle for the experiment reason to know where to look for the best focused bits.

So what do you think? Any good? IS my device faulty and has something going on inside? should it be loose sound when shaking /moving device in my hand?

Thanks
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
oh my god

@nebulaoperator

the noise from the lens are normal! when you enter the camera you will hear a mechanical noise, also the OIS is mechanical, don't mess with this

as for your question, this is the typical dynamic range issue and requires to use either Backlight or HDR scenes....check my post above and use the auto enhance ability from the gallery

your photos are great, your camera is perfect, noise is normal! there are some mechanical elements in the camera module, all HTC has this mechanical noise and the One specifically has optical OIS, i again advice you not to mess with it, don't OCD
[One (M7) General] marmarm:
Nice analysis! Thanks!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
@jonathan_phang

if you can try auto enhance from your end and post them again, its better to see the result from the device itself

i also remember you said your struggling with HDR, HDR will not work well with people or moving objects since it captures and meges three photos, unless they are very still ghosting might occur

hold you hands still while capturing the photo, you can let go when the "processing" pop up appears

if the scene lighting is moderate, you can try backlight since HDR can results in surreal results

finally since this is 4MP i would say the recommended sharpness is -1 instead of -2 (you will reduce sharpness halos but will not to risk too much softness)

@OP please include my post at the top of your OP for people to be aware of auto enhance and HDR usage
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
Here are a couple of mine with and without auto enhance. Still blurry! :silly:

https://www.dropbox.com/home/auto enhance
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
link broke and you have a defect why are you still here? :laugh:
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
Try this https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nfxnwbjbmuq23vi/WgKPxXtZ2z

It might not be defective? It might just be the way it is! Its going back in the post today anyway.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
how can it be the way it is? did you not see Jonathon's photos not of them has a focus issue

and this review

and tons of others

you are not making any sense and being stubborn, im sorry
[One (M7) General] mwatson:
I'd be happy if mine looked like that. No need for apologies. Did you read the bit where I said mine is going back in the post? nothing stubborn in that LOL!

Look! there is even photographic evidence of the returns pack! (taken with a galaxy S3 btw)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes great results from the HTC One, the blur on the side is most likely a wide angle less issue, its only happening in some situations though, im sure you can kill by cropping to 4:3

i'm in all honesty super excited about this camera again

according to this review the One beats the Olympus Tough TG-820 but not the tasty Sony NEX-5R, in full crops the One clearly beats the Olympus

the photo above looks very nice from the One
[One (M7) General] marmarm:
Yeah, some pics look very good. But I still thing that blurry right side is defect. There is another czech review and they have exactly the same problem so i guess HTC sent some batch with the same defect to Czech Rep...Because I don't see this issue in another reviews (there are different issues :) but not this specific one).

http://mobilizujeme.cz/clanky/recenze-htc-one-2013-skvost-telem-i-dusi/8/
[One (M7) General] jonathan_phang:
Auto Enhance from my One

Thanks for the post with the comparative analysis. I have selected the photos that you used in your comparison and applied the auto enahance from the gallery. Not sure how to upload them inline in the post, but I have put them into a separate folder everyone to see.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vekrvryv2u9jism/7wWTD87xwS/HTC%20One%20Test%20Pictures%20%20-%20Auto%20Enhanced

Unfortunately :( to my eyes, it seems that the auto enhance features on the two handsets are running different algorithms. The HOX seems to be more natural however the One seems to running more of a Instagram-like filter, which leaves things a little too contrasted. Have a look and see what you think. It might be the way dropbox shows them, so feel free to show them side by side in a post (or let me know how to).

It might be me or what I am doing, so I would be helpful is another One user could download one of my originals, apply auto enhance and then upload it again to confirm that the auto enhance behaves the same for all.

Shame, as your auto enhanced pictures looked great.

If you want more information or specific pics then PM me and we can sort something out to make sure all is well.

Cheers

Jonny