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[One (M7) General] Basil3:
After comparing the One camera with the SGS3, I've come to realise that the default settings probably aren't going to be the best for a lot of situations I use my phone in.

When two of the same pictures are taken in average light indoors, the One definitely produces a brighter image with much less noise, but it does so using a slightly slower shutter speed and lower iso (1/14s and 400 iso vs 1/17s and 800 iso).

Because I would often be shooting moving objects in average light, I'll probably have to manually adjust settings to try to avoid motion blur.

Comparison photos are here
[One (M7) General] john291:
Hello i come also from a galaxy s3..

is the quality about the same?(i hope so)
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
In this situation, the One takes a much nice picture. I would still prefer it used a faster shutter speed, however.
[One (M7) General] john291:
But in normal daylight is the galaxy s3 much better?

I asked this because i liked my photos on the galaxy s3 and dont want to compromise to much... a little is okay..;)
[One (M7) General] joslicx:
slower shutter should still be ok (at least theoretically) as you have OIS in One that is not there in S3. Its good to be able to keep ISO down as much as possible.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
image sense automatically decides on shutter speed but the target is always super fast shutter

I wouldn't worry about shutter speed
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Could someone please start posting some more pics with indoor shots. Any light will do. Cant wait for mine.

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[One (M7) General] KidCarter93:
Here's a quick sequence shot I got of my mate earlier.
[One (M7) General] Matt:
Anyone know why my sequence shots never work and say 'unable to continue because there are not enough images to process'?
[One (M7) General] shox22:
So, a friend of mine got his one today. We went out and did a small comparisson between his old one x, my hd2 and my/his one.

You should download the pictures. Otherwise its hard to compare them:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4869ih0yy6q27cq/qWSUGgkRsy#/

Exposure time on the nuclear power plant photo is 1/4274. Not bad :good:

Hd2 and One X are on CM. One´s are stock
[One (M7) General] Silellak:
Thanks for the great comparison! I noticed at times that the One X's photos seemed to have a more blue-ish haze, but it was only in some pictures, not all. I think it's most noticeable in the McDonalds picture. On the other hand, if you look at the plastic tree picture, the One X looks better and the One seems more blue-ish.

Could that just be a white balance thing?
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
http://db.tt/2C38I2By
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
You don't have enough movement in the shot. i.e. the subject is overlapping in the frames so the phone can't create clear separate images.

I've actually found sequence shots quite hard to do, takes a bit of practice.
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
Here's one....still not the best, wanted to get three frames combined but couldn't.
[One (M7) General] townay:
only thing i dislike about this ultrapixel is that, it lets in soo much light at if you focus your subject against a clear sky, chances are, the sky will be overblown to just ... white

or in some well lit places, floresecent lamps or bulbs will be a little overblown they appear to be just blobs..like below
[One (M7) General] Bathyon:
Looking forward to it! Thanks again :)

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I like the One's McDonald pic. Even the kid running is sharp and not motionblurred. I know that some areas like lamps or the sky easily gets overblown but I'll take that any day if I'll get an otherwise usable picture. Blurry or to dark main objects leaves the picture unusable.
[One (M7) General] jaaystott:
Sunset ;)
[One (M7) General] Bathyon:
I agree, but it's better than the subject of the picture (i.e the market and people) is to dark or blurry. Best would of course be to have both illustrated in a good way but if I had to choose one over the other I would prefer the lamps being overexposed and the main subject of the picture looking good like in your picture. Could software fix issues like this?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC said they want to enhance dynamic range in their next camera

so i guess for now the only way around this is HDR or Backlight
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Ye, we noticed that, too. Should be a white balance thing.
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Do you mean as in their next hardware camera for their next phone? Or an update of sorts?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no he meant the next hardware, but also means they are aware of it so whatever they can improve in software will be done

like HTC's usual

the camera will only improve from here onwards

here is the full interview
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
More pics
[One (M7) General] Silellak:
In my experience, if you want to get daytime outdoor shot with the sky in it, you're best off using HDR.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the second image is incredible good and tasty :)

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yup :)
[One (M7) General] wtfshouldidonow:
@hamdir, after hearing the news of htc planning to improve dynamic range of their camera, will you still get the One or try to wait for the next few months? I'm actually basing my decision to either get a One or not from all your posts in this thread :D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
they said they will improve it in their next device i never said otherwise its clear in the interview

but for sure we will see improvements in the camera app updates however they cant increase the dynamic range of the device
[One (M7) General] richyb86:
I tried waving and taking pictures to see how good the shutter speed and OIS is. Hardly any blur it's fantastic!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
tell this to the trolls...:laugh:
[One (M7) General] wtfshouldidonow:
So, you'll still get the One? :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ofcourse i will, end of april
[One (M7) General] Tetsumi06:
Gonna be a long month Hamdir?

I terminated my 10year association with 3mobile because they were being morons about (no) loyalty benefit just so I could have the phone on release day.

Still got no regrets (and keeping the original phone even though it has a fraction of a mill lip sliding finger from glass to bottom speaker grill)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
what to do mate, its 1250$ today in my country lol i can't pay that :)

anyway i will email HTC maybe they can help me out, i want the dev edition
[One (M7) General] shox22:
A small sharpness/contrast/saturation comparisson. I prefer sharpness -1 or sharpness 0. On the photos of yesterday i prefered sharpness 0.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y1s4bypfid29q7b/FRThEYmEbc
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea but as you can sharpness 0 has the algorithm completely disabled so you can edit it later or apply an unsharp mask, so despite looking soft its best for those who like to edit later

but for the immediate result sharpness -1 is best, its still looks good when you zoom to it

i would go with -1 myself

sharpness 0 looks best when the image is scaled down but you can't use it in full scale or crop it, the edges are almost ruined

contrast +1 is too much unfortunately, so its best to use auto enhance or any editing app to increase contrast (unless custom is still there on the One's gallery)

did you try playing around with ISO in a daylight scene?
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Not yet. I can give it a try. Back in 5min

Here you go:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/adtnbwaopnia2ro/XSJTwSh3aw

sharpness 0 and -1 from autoiso to 1600
[One (M7) General] RyanDawson:
Just added a few more pictures to my HTC One dropbox album

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/21zyi9s8pmdoinp/lxQ_Ce75A4

Most of the pics were taken using default settings :good:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
excellent new results, excluding the old digital zoom pics ;)

@shox22, thanks mate, downloading
[One (M7) General] john291:
Those indoor dog photos are great...but the first outdoor photos are not so good(but we all know that the outdoor bright shots are not to good on the htc one)

But keep the pictures coming in this thread please...:)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
:eek:

very weird is this the ISO bug?

barely any difference and it is as if ISO 400 and 800 produces the best results

weird noise suppression on ISO 200 and 100, per pixel detail is very low on those two settings, shouldn't it be the other way around?!

if so it helps explain the unpredictable results
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Yep, a bit weird.

The sharpness 0 iso 200 pic is the worst of all... big unsharp area on the right.

I hope we have some sun tomorrow. I´ll redo the test then. The pictures in the dropbox are made on dawn.

Sharpness -1 and iso400 is my favorite.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes ofcourse at 0 the picture is already soft plus 200's weird noise blur

anyway the sun picture should confirm it

seems similar to what we read about the ISO bug right?
[One (M7) General] townay:
Will stepping down the exposure to -1 help with overblown skies/lamps? Do not have the phone yet. My Telco is being an ass.
[One (M7) General] GeneralLee79:
Couple I took last weekend.
[One (M7) General] shox22:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qyx7kb5p4enjegg/JyeBBSWnT8

Focused the ceiling. Exposure 0, -1 and -2. Easy to identify
[One (M7) General] manmikey:
I am enjoying looking at all these fantastic photos, the cat photo is stunning.....taken with a phone.....not a "proper" camera.

I think we sometimes need to take a step back and remember these pictures are taken with a smartphone and how far we have come in the last few years, there seems to be a fair bit of criticism on each of the various smart phone cameras and expectations are sky high when they are compared , but for fixed lens, small sensor devices they do an amazing job.
[One (M7) General] john291:
At close ups the htc one does a great job:)
[One (M7) General] Rob_Boulton:


1st one is auto correct

2nd one is normal

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[One (M7) General] shakmax:
Got mine today so I'm happy to join the club...and boy is it a beauty to behold! :D

Looking forward to testing out the camera and comparing it with my 4S! :)
[One (M7) General] smudgelab:
More dog, ones a bit blurry but I did focus on his eye in it!
[One (M7) General] townay:
Thanks. The left most bulb actually looks like how it should have been at exposure -2 but at -2 it pretty much killed off the surrounding lol. Oh well
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
Macro shot looks ok on my phone not viewed it on my pc
[One (M7) General] Matt:
Here's a few I just took what I like :) all outside with loads of light, was messing with the ISO and stuff, but I'm no expert.
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Very nice pictures guys :good:

I like the macros made with the ONE
[One (M7) General] GeneralLee79:
How do you make them small?
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
Go into gallery and choose edit .. in the transform menu there is a crop option
[One (M7) General] nookcoloruser:
Hi Folks.

I'm wondering is there something seriously wrong with my HTC One. Small they look grand but look close and you can see they are very soft, very aggresivly compressed :(:(:(

Should I return my HTC One ? Is the camera defective I wonder.

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[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
This camera is fast . One of my gorgeous nephew taken when playing
[One (M7) General] Silellak:
Oooooooooooh. :good:
[One (M7) General] GeneralLee79:
Taking pointing almost directly into the sun with hdr on.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Incredible photos, thanks guys

Guys if you have steady hands definitely go for night mode during low light, unless your drinking I suggest you stick to auto

The anandtech review is very revealing, indeed this camera like the one series before it, prioritizes fast shutter over everything else

Night mode is the slow lumia 920 like shutter time and best for quality at low light with the risk of motion blur

As for manual ISO controls, anandtech confirms it has a mind of its own, so at night manual ISO will go for fastest possible shutter, much faster than auto, which will affect quality, I suggest you let go of manual ISO for now, seems a little unpredictable just like me and shox22 found out

Anandtech address the sharpness topic as well and confirms -2 disables the whole thing, they criticize the default sharpness as well, trust me guys forget fake eye candy and stick to -1, you will still have a usable 1:1 shot unlike sharpness 0

All in all you have a camera as good as the lumia 920 with better per pixel detail and faster shutter speed, smokes the iPhone 5 out of water, be proud :laugh:
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
A great Battery review if anyone was a little worried like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLOit-_fVII&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The anandtech review is very detailed..... anyone have an htc one coming from an 8mp phone like one x that could give me their views on how the one compares?

Looking forward to getting mine as my 2 year old won't stay still so my wifes sgs3 takes a blurred picture every time and my sgs2 is pretty poor. Fast shutter is just what I need ;)

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[One (M7) General] Matt:
This is looking a bit overly smoothed; maybe the sun made it that way, but are your other photos sharper?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
There is a comparative thread I the main general section look it up
[One (M7) General] Matt:
This shows reduced grain between night mode and non-night mode.

The HTC One X couldn't pick up the elephant at all under that lighting, it was black.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Lol awesome this confirms it, Brian is calling this the Lumia mode lol

We get the better quality and risk motion blur like the Lumia 920, he is completely in love with it

This camera keeps on getting more awesome the more we learn about it
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Thanks. I was after a user on here who has come from the one x. I saw you had the one x. How do you like the one so far.

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[One (M7) General] Basil3:
@hamdir

If the one focuses on faster shutter speed over everything else, how do you explain the photos I posted the other day where the SGS3 had a faster shutter speed in the same conditions?

Admittedly, the one took a much nicer picture, but it had slower shutter speed.
[One (M7) General] cachookaman:
seems like theres no middle ground with the camera. pictures either look great or washed out and lacking detail. whatever, ill only be using the camera for instagram anyway.
[One (M7) General] GeneralLee79:
This was took under the same lighting conditions a few minutes later.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Judging from my hands on with the one today, shox22 tests and now your comment I'm pretty sure few of the low ISO modes like 100 and 200 are bugged and receiving extreme amounts of noise reduction

It's purely software so expect HTC to deal with this bug

To give you an idea of how committed HTC is to their flagships, the One X now a year old just received an OTA improving the camera in low light this is despite the endless OTAs which already improved the camera greatly

Considering the One X was reborn just a few months after release with aggressive OTAs (we are now at firmware 3.x), the One has a much better start and will only get better
[One (M7) General] Matt:
Good picture, not faulting your photo taking skills just wondered if there was a hardware issue.
[One (M7) General] GeneralLee79:
I don't quite understand HDR but I think it overlays 2 images to bring out detail?

That first pic had quite a lot of movement while taking it so that could have contributed?
[One (M7) General] Matt:
With HDR it takes a couple of pictures at different exposures I think in order to remove shadows/bright patches. Moving is a bad idea ;D
[One (M7) General] townay:
Right is blurred. Either its lens issue or you have smudge there.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
if u do a slight movement while taking a photo OIS might blur a section of it ad it tries to correct your move, as Brian noted OIS is not yet perfected
[One (M7) General] shox22:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n0ivdmsfr6zznd7/ehiZQk3s46

Some more photos. Sunny day today (wuhhhuuu, finally a bit sun!). Accidentally i used exposure -2 on the first bunch of photos. You will see in preview where i changed it.

If the camera has to deal with backlight on automode, the pictures tend to look washed out.
[One (M7) General] philmidd:
I'm gettin my One on Monday so I might just take this shot again without the digital zoom...:)
[One (M7) General] john291:
Yes its time for some sun..

But why do the macro shots look amazing but the normal pictures absolutly not?

I think its strange.....somebody knows?
[One (M7) General] shox22:
For me it looks like there is too much light for the sensor and its limited dynamic range. All the pictures made in the direction of the sun are washed out. But if you dont take backlight pictures, the photos are nice. Also the non macro shots (attached)

I hope they can do something against it with sw updates.

Interesting: The HDR picture (attached nr4) looks worse to the non hdr picture (attached nr2). You cant see the sky in the hdr one. But also on this 2 the dynamic range is a problem
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Still, the four of them are really nice
[One (M7) General] spamoi:
Hello, is it normal to have this result when I film 60 frames / s?
[One (M7) General] Sashtheflash:
I have made a comparison in complete darkness and very very low light yesterday evening between the one and the one x plus.

The first picture is always by the one x plus and the second picture is by the HTC One.

A little light by a energy saving lamp around midnight. (and a hot air fan which is enlighting hookah charcoals at that moment):

one x plus

HTC One

A picture in direction of the city in total darkness:

one x plus

HTC One

Friend and his girl in a room with only an energy saving lamp... so it was pretty dimmed:

one x plus

HTC One

The crisps on the floor in that same room:

one x plus

HTC One

Me shot by my friend:

one x plus

HTC One

for direct view in forum The Picture by the HTC One is the first ;):
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Heavy compression artifacts are unfortunately a well known issue during 60fps
[One (M7) General] Reckless187:
Sharpness Test. the -1 Picture is slightly blurry. Can't remember but I think it was Macro Mode.

Sharpness 0

Sharpness -1

Sharpness -2

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2o1cnj14286g3a2/jTLwWSQ8rS
[One (M7) General] yokken:
That's a great picture. Perfect focus.
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Which one is better then ???

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[One (M7) General] Reckless187:
I wish I could tell, thats why I posted them on here lol!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
You can't tell much if the image is downscaled
[One (M7) General] Reckless187:
Included dropbox link too lol
[One (M7) General] yokken:
I think the sharpness -1 looks the best. On the sharpness 0 the text on the shifter is a little too noisy, as you can see. But I'd almost say he mixed up the -1 and -2... the text on the shifter looks sharper with -2!
[One (M7) General] Reckless187:
My hand was a bit unsteady in the -1 shot unfortunately
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
regardless for me sharpness -1 should have been default
[One (M7) General] Matt:
Is turning the sharpness down not going to result in blurrier details then?:cyclops:
[One (M7) General] Reckless187:
Yeah I got mine set to -1 after reading a few of your earlier posts in some other thread.
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
-1 it is... just need my htc one now ;) lol

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[One (M7) General] Matt:
Is it normal to have purple at the edges of my shots with flash on in the dark?
[One (M7) General] Closed Source Project:
What size are your guys' image files when taken without any compression? KBs, MBs?

Also, can anyone upload an image that is not compressed due to upload provider? All seem to have a very small file size indicating compression. I want to see an ACTUAL pic before I decide to buy/not. Thanks!

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Never mind. Found and saved images from GSM Arena's review and found out the normal size is 1.7mbs ish. But wow, the GS4's images look much more crisp!

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p8.php
[One (M7) General] townay:
Higher megapixels help if you are zooming or cropping but otherwise...:p
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
HoX night photos GLITCH BUG , please test on M7 it might work.

Hey guys i've been following this thread since the start and looking @ the photos some are stunning some are crap , anyway considering drivers optimisation and all that follows are quiet NEW looks much better to me then what we had with One X @ the start and now 1 year later hox is rocking, i'm sure HoX is in top 5 devices with camera and definitely beating S3 easily. So we can expect the same from HTC One camera in the near future.

Now i know this is M7 forum but i just wanted to show how much M7 will improve over the time and probably come out on top.

Heres the full comparison HoX vs S3 camera ( Just to give you an IDEA ). scroll down you'll see the pics LINK HoX vs S3 camera

As for the NIGHT photos let me give you an IDEA how good M7 camera will be @ night with future updates most likely

Note:

I've recently found a BUG / GLITCH for HoX camera which boosts light up to 200% in some caes even more.

I don't know would this BUG / GLITCH work on m7 but here are the INSTRUCTIONS how to do it , i would test myself but i'm still waiting for HTC One, i hope it will work for you guys as well.

>Open the camera

>chose HDR

>Switch from HDR to NIGHT mode - Night mode should give you laggs when moving camera.

>Switch to HDR - This on HoX glitches and uses HDR + Night mode @ the same time = crazy light boost.

If you don't see huge boost in light repeat switching from NIGHT scene to HDR and from HDR to NIGHT mode.

What you should notice when this GLITCH applies:

Night mode normally shows more light then HDR and laggs , when glitch is applied it will add extra 50+ more light and lag cuz of night mode , if you see this = bug is working , then take the photo and stay STILL and hold the phone STEDDY.

Here are the results from this glitch on HOX.

Note this was almost complete darkness

without any light source near by so my F2 sensor couldn't pick ANY LIGHT except from the dark sky.

Hox Photos almost complete darkness:

1st pic ( all on auto )shows exactly as how i saw with my EYES.

2nd pic HDR

3rd Pic HDR + Night bug.

4th pic modified with hox gallery effects.

If this bug works on m7 please take some samples and post , thx.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes

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ofcourse it does, its 13MP but the comaprison is not fair, default sharpness needs to reducing if you want to compare 1:1 crops on the HTC One

and worst of all GSM arena did the unthinkable and upscaled the already over sharpned One default images to the 13MP!!! in some of their comparisons resulting in just horrible outcome

low light and macro detail are much better on the One but they didnt even bother to test them in real actual low light

one more thing, the S4 have a slow shutter during night which is at more risk of blur unlike the One

finally and most important the S4 has a disturbingly narrow camera view angle, narrower than the s3