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[One (M7) General] Bathyon:
It isn't that hard to make a camera take good low light pictures if you can keep the shutter open longer and try many times. As they say themselves - You have to try for a while before you get an usable picture with the S4 but with the One you know you'll get it right away. This was the dealbreaker for me with the S4 (which I was considering also).

I think the S4 will have a great camera, but personally I want the camera that takes good pictures right away in most conditions. More than 75% of my pics are taken indoors (home, party, events, restaurants etc) or outside in the evening. That's where I want my phone camera to be reliable and not to miss those moments. To take great daylight pics outside with no moving subjects is also nice but I think for me the One is good enough in this department. It all comes down to what pictures you usally take with you phone.

The 1:1 comparisons are interesting from a technical point of view to see how different cameras handle the same situation but it's not important at all for me in my every day as long as it looks good on a computer screen or in normal print sizes.

I'll have to wait to see more reviews of the S4 vs the One but right now the One is the one :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea its funny to scream the s4 camera rules when

- view angle is so narrow

- much slower shutter especially in low light

- no real low light comparison

- weaker macro and upclose detail

- no OIS

- comparing it's superior 13MP 1:1 to upscaled 1:1 One with sharpness 0

the funny thing they claim we are just making excuses, kids...

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about our topic
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Its fanboys more then kids , if you remeber of my s3 vs HoX review , you saw photos s3 vs HoX , anyway my point is that my cousin who has s3 admited HoX camera is better , but when we called our common friend who owns note 2 he didn't believe it , after 30 mins of trying to convince him we failed and he sticked onto * Samsung is the best phone maker and s3 is much better then HoX or HTC * anyway after many tries telling him why don't you simply get on the pc and see yourself pics he refused.

The point is :

Fanbys won't accept the truth even if you done yourself comparison and want to show them they will always choose to believe into marketing rather then the actual evidence infront of their eyes.

I'm convinced m7 camera is better in overall then s4 , the only thing that s4 will have is more details , which are BARELY NOTICED if not zoomed / cropped. Lets be honest who the **** zooms in photos from the phone .... Get camera for 100$ which will take better photos then any smartphone if you are so much addicted into zooming in.

Just my 2 cents.

@ everyone else , did anone try the glich I found on the HoX ... Does it work on m7 as well ?
[One (M7) General] marmarm:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/08/htc-one-vs-nokia-lumia-920-camera-comparison/
[One (M7) General] mchinand:
From the last three image comparisons, it looks like the Lumia is doing agressive auto-white-balance. Judging from the candle light images, the HTC One image looks to be a much more faithful representation of the scene.
[One (M7) General] b4kk3r:
The Lumia 920 also tends to over-saturate. Color in the pictures taken by the HTC One seem to be more natural to me. But then again, just like with the color reproduction on amoled vs. lcd, it's all about personal preference.
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
I know the S4 low light pics are rubbish, but aren't the details showing faster shutter speed than the One in low light?
[One (M7) General] Matt:
Hi again, I know I'm always posting pictures of this grainy elephant lol but I find it amazing how in the exact same conditions, the HTC One can get so much more detail ... It almost looks like flash is used compared to the Nexus 4!

I'm not too impressed with the S4 camera, I like the wider angles on the HTC One, and the OIS.
[One (M7) General] richyb86:
Black and white portrait filter before shot taken. Turned out really well

http://db.tt/zJhMNOv7
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
excellent portrait shot!

to be honest ive been hating my One X camera, i know it can takes great photos but its never authentic

the image sense is doing aggressive manipulations and unless your at daylight 1:1 is never impressive, also even sharpness -2 can never disable edge processing completely (this is an oddity specific the the One X)

i miss my desire HD camera the most, which was more a camera than a smartphone camera, the One X took HTC in the direction of iPhone, where the phone attempts to beautify the image from its end regardless of authenticity or per pixel detail

the best thing about the One X remains the powerful features of the camera like the fast shutter and HDR, but in terms of photography it's hard to "direct" it as you want, especially at less than ideal light

this is why the One camera is priceless for me, it will bring me back to photographic enjoyment with my smartphone, i took so much photos with my Desire HD i have lost the count, it fills volumes, not nearly with my One X, my old Sony Ericsson k750 had a similar photographic power back in its time

and im expecting the One to be fully as capable as those two legendaries the Desire HD and K750

bottomline those complaining the camera is not outputting "in your face" high contrast, saturated images like the S3 and iPhones, don't really care for photography
[One (M7) General] Bathyon:
I couldn't agree more. I love the camera features of my One X, but the bad low light performance, easily scratchable lens and extreme colors often ruin the experience for me. Can't wait to get my hands on the One. Regardless of which camera out there is the best I know after reading this thread and viewing all photos that the One will be a BIG step up from my One X for my kind of photos (ie 75% in bad light).
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Here are some photos I took on my lunch :)

Just to show off what the HTC One camera is truely made of!

Lunch:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.11.45.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.12.05.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.12.14.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.12.21.jpg

Cathedral - Interior & Exterior:

Most closeup shots were Macro, a few HDR, all 'Normal' shots had -1 Sharpness.

Exterior

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.17.33.jpg This blurs a lot at the right

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.18.17.jpg HDR

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.18.33.jpg HDR again

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.19.23.jpg Normal

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.19.33.jpg HDR

Interior

It was a lot darker in there than these pictures let on!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.21.21.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.21.47.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.22.06.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.22.28.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.22.41.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.23.47.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.24.00.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.24.55.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.25.08.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.25.28.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.26.04.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.26.21.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.26.49.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.28.53.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67227549/2013-04-09%2013.29.05.jpg
[One (M7) General] stephen2282:
Wow that's many. Thanks for ur contribution. They look amazing!! The lunch photos look abit washed out though. But the interior photos look absolutely stunning :p

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Wow that's many. Thanks for ur contribution. They look amazing!! The lunch photos look abit washed out though. But the interior photos look absolutely stunning :p
[One (M7) General] solefero69:
A lot of this pictures looks like blurred in some edges. Same happened to my friend. It's hardware of software issue?
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Read this page: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2157153&page=402
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Nice pictures made by an android-hilfe member (german forum).

Thanks to "moema":

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b2gxwxzkai7upmy/kNq1rgp8De

The market pictures are just amazing
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
you mean this: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40100977&postcount=4009

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amazing perfect examples of the ultrapixel camera plus lovely Turkey :laugh:

one thing for sure they are not in your face like the S4 pictures but this camera will still do wonders with the hands of photography lovers

I do think they need to improve color balance and dynamic range in bright areas
[One (M7) General] stesa:
from tuscany
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
First two pics just to test. Got phone today. First pic is with contrast -2 second is default settings.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
contrast -2 makes everything washed out

we've been talking about sharpness -1 or -2 plus increasing contrast :)
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Would you say -2 sharpness and +1 contrast would bring up a decent photo, +2 contrast seems pretty high.
[One (M7) General] BlackS0ull:
Hello mate, the cathedral is the one from St. Albans in UK?

Also what is with that annoying blur on the right of the picture?? I don't like it :( - already explained :) I understand now what is with this blur, but still don't like it :)

Also the interior pictures are OK, until you zoom-in when they became rubbish.
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
It is in the UK but it's not St Albans ;p

Yeah the blur is a bugger, I'm sure it'll work itself out in time.

Yeah Digital Zoom with a 4mp camera, not a wise idea, but it's good to show what it's like anyway I guess...
[One (M7) General] robamacaf:
Most people know that you shouldn't zoom in on a 4MP but almost every review/comparison page compares the photos of this at 100% zoom to others at 100% zoom. I don't understand why they do that because we already know that they shouldn't be zooming in at all. It's almost like they are trying to make the camera look bad by zooming in and showing the lack of detail. I know when I get the phone in my hands next week that I wont be zooming in at all.
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Dunno if this has been posted, but anyhoo: here´s the HTC One Group on Flickr. Although it seems to be a little mixed bag with pics from One X and One S coming up, quite a few pics are taken with the new HTC One.:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/pool/
[One (M7) General] Pfeffernuss:
Viewing these pictures on my 2560x1440 monitor means I can almost see them at 100% without zooming in at all. And they almost all lack detail. If watching at smaller sizes/resolutions they might be fine, but this is not a camera for me. My trusty old SGS2 makes much nicer pictures, when there is enough light of course. Only during low(er)-light situations the One's camera is bearable/okay. Never great though. Haven't seen a lot of very sharp/detailed images yet.
[One (M7) General] muayyadf1:
These pictures are AMAZING!

UP > MP:good:
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
TROLL
[One (M7) General] fidelcstrl:
There you go :

http://db.tt/9dJuLGE4

Some totally random pictures (last one is HDR). Just out of the box :)
[One (M7) General] john291:
Thx for the pictures..

To be honest(and no i am not a troll because i am getting this phone;))

Those pictures doesnt look to good..

Example the first picture look on the right building...

And the rest is also not very sharp...

I wish they were better:rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] Silellak:
Eh, I'm not a huge photography guy, but they look fine to me. I like #1 and #2. #3 and #4 are meh, but the HDR-version of them (#5) I like.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Hold on so every time I turn my back, bashing will come back?

Haven't we shown and done enough in this thread to prove this camera to all nay sayers

Perphaps we should start reposting our posts?

Trolls, this is getting tiring please spare us your useless presence
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
I have a pink haze on camera. Look at the radiator ?

I either have a faulty set which is possible as it's being sent back due to 8 deaf pixels or camera is pants.
[One (M7) General] S8B:
They're average at best. Seems typical for the HTC One... hit or a miss when it comes to quality (with hits being more frequent at night photography, misses on daylight).
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Yes the "miss" part is the abilities of the user
[One (M7) General] Hudrator:
Maybe someone skillfull would like to write a guide, how to take best shots in different circumstances ? And maybe postediting with the build in tools ?
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Good idea. Think there are some faulty cameras out there at the mo.
[One (M7) General] fidelcstrl:
I agree that the pictures I posted aren't that great, Seems that focus didn't really do the job, or colors are too dark. Not very happy with the camera right now. I have to look into it.

Some night shots, could be better but I guess not a lot of phones can handle low light like this.

Here's a church nearby : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nly0c2sxs629o2y/xJkl8xB9c-/samples#f:IMAG0038.jpg (Night mode on)

Lots of noise. Good colors though. Sharpness set to -1

Here's another place : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nly0c2sxs629o2y/xJkl8xB9c-/samples#f:IMAG0039.jpg (Night mode on)

It's already way better but there is an artefact on it. Seems that the lights are reflecting on the lens. Still happy with the result even though colors are washed out a little bit.

And now with Auto-Enhance :

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nly0c2sxs629o2y/xJkl8xB9c-/samples#f:IMAG0038_1.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nly0c2sxs629o2y/xJkl8xB9c-/samples#f:IMAG0039_1.jpg

As you can see, much better colors and noise reduction.
[One (M7) General] S8B:
Excellent 'Tips & Tricks' adjustments for the One camera: http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...s-review_id41691#2-Sharpness-slider-set-on--1
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Anyone else have this light reflection on lens. It appears to cause a small blob to appear in the picture ????
[One (M7) General] simba2585:
looks like lens flare.
[One (M7) General] Pfeffernuss:
Really now? Can you link me to some detailed and sharp images taken with a One please? Which I can view at 100% that is, not mega downscaled and sharpened with some photo editing program ones?

Funny that people can be so friggin' wound up over a PHONE. The One doesn't take detailed images, live with it. All these "amazing!" comments are extraordinary, especially after seeing the images which they are commented upon. I guess that some people are more easily pleased than others. Which is fine of course. The 4mp sensor is only "good" for low(er) light shots, so what. No need to defend it like it's a family member.

The image right above this post is very nice. But it is downscaled by a factor of four. When using the One as a social media device (Whatsapp, Facebook, etc.) it will suffice for sure. It isn't a great camera for taking images and wanting to print them at A4 size. "You should use your DSLR for that!", I know. But I don't always carry that around. Somewhat more detailed shots would be nice for me. YMMV, not bashing the phone at all.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
did you ever see my DHD camera guide? ;)

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its lens flare for pete sake, every device has it one way or another

specialty lenses are needed on big cameras to get rid of it!

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awesome macro shining as usual ;)

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Finally phonearena woke-up on the settings! :good:

guess they been reading this thread ;) check the source

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did you even have a look at this entirety of this thread before your final judgement?

for a 4MP camera it does have 3x the detail

I think you forgot how 5MP phone camera were inferior
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
It's literally crazy!

Don't make daddy Hamdir turn this car around and go home kids!
[One (M7) General] Pfeffernuss:
Of course I did, really digging this phone, which might not be clear. But there is a difference between being really critical and easy to please judging the average response on this thread.

That is not entirely true of course. It surely doesn't have 3x the detail of a proper 4mp sensor. Not even close, really.

Can only personally compare it to my 8mp SGS2 and compare it to other phones when looking at images on the internet. And of course it lacks detail, when viewing at 100%. It has 9 million pixels less as a SGS4 for example. So in situations with a lot of light it will always be of a lesser sharpness. When the light goes down it will stand it's ground.

But whatever, why even bother. The One-lovers will defend the results anyway. I guess it's easier to just say "AMAZING!" after each successive demo image, no matter what the quality, blurriness, grain, lack of detail, etc.

So you are the official One-defender in this topic? Constructive criticism equals bashing? Wow. What a way to "discuss" things. Only positive words allowed. Please change the title to "Worship photos clicked from HTC One", makes it easier to comprehend the sole purpose of this topic.

Nay sayers =/= being critical, but that's something that's clearly not seen here.

The One is an amazing device, best phone probably out here bar NONE. It only doesn't take very detailed shots during situations with a lot of light. So... f'ing... what.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes it wipes the floor with your SGS2 camera and even the 8MP One X camera

like i said you read nothing

if you are simply comparing the contrasty super saturated images coming out of your s2, you have no idea what you are talking about

have a look at Phone's arena article tried to listen

nobody claimed it can collect more detail than the SGS4

refusing to accept this camera is collecting detail per pixel, displaying repeatedly proving it in photos is not "constructive critic"

this one coming out of the 8MP Lumia 920

fullsize

and the 4 MP Ultrapixel

fullsize

by the way look again at the left of the Lumia photo it also has the side blur from OIS
[One (M7) General] Bathyon:
You have the right to your own opinion of course.

I'm no techie, but I don't get why it must be of lesser sharpness when viewed 100%. What does that have to do with the number of megapixels? Only thing that is a must in that situations should be that the picture with more megapixels is showing the object photographed bigger on your screen (closer).

With detail - do you mean how much detail you get on an object (strands of hair for example) or do you mean per pixel detail. It's a big difference. When zoomed to 100% the per pixel detail shouldn't be dependent on the megapixel count at all. If you want to compare the detail capability of the sensors you have to take the photo with the SGII at a greater distance so the objects at the photos are the same size when zoomed in to a 100%.

You would want an object to compare that is the same exact pixel height and width on both photos. Then you will be able to compare the per pixel detail of the cameras. So far I have not seen this done in any review. Probably because it's quite hard to set up :)
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
In the close up the detailing coming from the HTC One far exceeds the Lumia imho and that's not me being a 'fanboy' or championing the One.
[One (M7) General] Pfeffernuss:
The photo taken with the One, at 100% image size, is also a blurry mess without a lot of detail, is that really so hard to see? Look at a proper SGS4 shot and see what cán be done with 13 megapixels and sufficient amounts of light.

Then again, if 1 in 6 people vote that the camera deserves a TEN (so it's basically faultless/perfect) that should say enough.
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Okay you're entitled to your opinion but 'if' we wanted to talk about the SGS4 camera that much we'd be in those threads, but we're not so...

One point of comparison then, the bottom left hand side where the blue sign is, that looks better in the One picture than the Lumia to me, it's sharper I think and all down that far left hand side of the building, past the lamp post on the left, all of the building looks smeary on the Lumia, the One has far greater 'clarity'.
[One (M7) General] TRiBaL1981:
@Pfeffernuss

Every phone camera is crappy! EVERY single one and i dare to include the 808. Now, which one is more or less is of little importance since photos taken from a phone are intended for a very limited and specific use (facebook tweeter etc.). They cannot compete, not only to dslr's but even to a good compact like an RX100.

So please, do us a favor and keep your opinion for yourself. Excuse my tone but i'm really sick and tired from all the fuss.

Personally, i am really happy with what this phone's camera can do.
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
I refer you to the OP, well the Poll question anyway...

I do agree with you on 'lets stop all the fussing'
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The point is, i just showed you a comparison with the world's most praised 8MP camera which automatically contradicts your point about the aging SGS2 8MP sensor being better

but then you ignored it and brought up the SGS4 instead, sounds a little like trolling to me

and so to remind you no body claimed it will collect more detail than the S4 in daylight, that 's just impossible, but for an 4MP Sensor its indeed garbing 3x more detail per pixel than your usual 4/5MP sensor, and that's due to it's much higher light sensitivity

However if we compare per pixel detail against the SGS4 in low light, the One does collect more detail

if you are really not trolling, look at the background trees sub branches in the Lumia photos and you will understand, otherwise there is no point of this discussion

its the combined overall capabilities of the One Camera that makes such a win, want more proof? those reviewing the standard 5MP HTC First are suddenly missing their One's camera
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
1st is with sharpness -1 and HDR.

2nd non hdr and -1 sharpness.
[One (M7) General] Pfeffernuss:
With sufficient light? Well, no. You can make amazing, digicam rivaling, photo's in good daylight with a proper phone camera.

Why? Is this a worship topic or a discussion topic, please enlighten me.

Then alter the poll so that people can only vote between 8 (which is too low anyway) and 10 (which the camera easily deserves) and don't allow any criticism whatsoever in this "discussion" topic and be done with it.

To each his own. I respect that you're really happy with it. Lots of people think otherwise, unfortunately. It's basically a low-light social media shooter in an otherwise really amazing and excelling in almost every other aspect telephone.

The images from the 920 used to display the superior quality of the One are poor. That camera is able to take better shots.

No! It has a better light sensitivity. It does not have a 3x higher detail level as a proper 4mp sensor. This is completely untrue and impossible at the same time. In good light the 4mp One sensor will resolve the same level of detail (being: not a lot) as another 4mp sensor. In low-light however, the bigger 4mp sensor of the One will yield better results because of the ability to catch more light. Now the smaller 4mp sensor will lose out because detail is lost due to noise.

I can supply you with ample photo's of an 8mp phone camera with better quality than the "demonstration" shots shown here. Easy to use crappy 920-pics and judge the quality from that.