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[One (M7) General] hamdir:
John mate I know you intend no harm but can't u see your posts man? It's crazy

You post a sad response when you see a bad photo and you post appreciation for a good phone n say ur gonna reorder it

This has been going for a while now and its really weird

Photos are situational you have seen enough to know this camera is well equipped and powerful

Did you see the photos posted by rovex? Where he thinks the camera JB+ app is producing better photos?

Check this post http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39809078&postcount=83

The only difference between the two is that the second one simply has more contrast, the first one is simply collecting so much light and detail just check how much detail is captured in the dark areas of the tree

This why the images might look grainy or greyish for some but its simply because there a lot of brightness in the black level, raising the contrast or using a filter like auto enhance will crush the blacks and produce a more pleasant image but there is not doubt that per pixel detail is huge

Stop agonizing and try the phone for yourself mate, I think u have seen and learned enough

If you can't afford a risk, wait till the April batches to start appearing
[One (M7) General] muayyadf1:
Just to make sure :angel:
[One (M7) General] vizzy:
Stupid as this sounds..... Will we see April batches from today? Or is it mid way through they start appearing ?
[One (M7) General] john291:
Thx for your reply man..

I know it looks a little strange but i searched all the postives and negatives i could find..

So if a picture looks not good i respond on that and if they look good i respond on that also..

But i just reordered the phone lol...

And its its coming at the end of april(i hope any sooner)

It will be along time ago i had a htc(the htc Hd2)

Now i come from a samsung galaxy s3 but i cant wait.....:laugh:
[One (M7) General] richyb86:
Sorry I though the aspect ratio would of made it clear. Yes the bright picture is my One. I did have to manually force no flash otherwise both phones would of used flash at that moment

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Oh and what's all this April talk about...a software update? I thought this was cleared up as false info
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaL87kEqZ4Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wow

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[One (M7) General] gaabrysz:
View attachment 1851896

Ok so thats the best i think i can do with my phone. thinking of getting a replacement.

What do you think guys?
[One (M7) General] vizzy:
It's tarmac, there's not much we can say about it tbh :P
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
There is nothing wrong with it! Your focus is at the trees in the back and not the ground, typical HTC one quality, revealing how they look grayish due to to the bright shadows (notice the detail in the trees), auto enhance it or increase contrast and you will see ;)

I have seen many photos now and honestly its very clear now, the HTC One camera App is not Adjusting the shadow areas which are collecting too much detail, like many people reported this camera can look brighter than your own eyes, this why daylight photos look unnatural and washed out, they are simply not contrasty enough and hence not visually appealing, cropping the blacks with auto enhance, raising contrast ormany other way reveals how good they should look

I wish HTC realizes this and increase the default contrast camera value on daylight shots
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
maybe this fix is scheduled for the april update
[One (M7) General] smudgelab:
Ok, mine does have a miniscule gap but to be honest, had I not read about it, I wouldn't have ever noticed it and it's no bigger / smaller than anything else, I've ever had with a phone, manufacturing tolerances and all that. Slight over hang on the bottom right speaker cover, yep, but again, I would never have noticed this had I not been "alerted" (stupidly strong word for it but you get my drift) to it. Thing is, it's going to spend all it's life in a case with a screen protector on it and If it drops and busts, it's insured... relax. It is the first phone I've had which doesn't creak, is stupendously fast and the pictures, for my purposes, I think are pretty damn good. I'm never going to blow them up over 8 x 10 and in all my years of owning a mobile, have never done so either. If I want to though, this'll be more than adequate for me and if I really need to go to town, the Canon 600D I have will be used.

Here's some taken a couple of days ago of the Mrs' efforts...

https://share.htc.com/JFofDcJk3#

Overall impressions so far - 9.5 out of 10 (Woulda been a 10 had I had the patience to wait for the black one but I didn't!)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
guys lets look at this again (be careful its recompressed on flikr and hence the artifacts)

i know the poster was complaining

but this is a perfect HTC One shot to be honest

just look at the background where the focus stands

you can even see the detail underneath the CRV shadow area

as for the bushes and trees, there is just an immense amount of detail, its not grain, its detail

ultrapixel is doing what it does best, that is capturing lots of light and hence lots of per pixel detail even in shadows areas

it does look washout because its like someone took this image, reduced the contrast and raised the brightness, all it needs is a contrast increase and it will look as good as it should

you can achieve it in the camera by setting contrast to +1 or ofcourse auto enhance

its too contrasty because i did this on my One X but it gives you an idea

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I wonder how people are still in doubt after all the samples posted in this thread

(trolls actually attempted to open another thread since this one is starting to debunk the FUD)
[One (M7) General] gaabrysz:
Ok no auto enhance. Don't know why the right side edge of the picture is blurry. Maybe the lens was dirty.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the right side blur happens occasionally for what appears to be an OIS bug so far, lets hope it can be fixed in software

did you set contrast to +1? it looks like it :)

the sky is overexposed it would have looked better if you use HDR

I just love the per pixel detail in this camera

anyway exposure and black levels issues are all software issues, which we can already deal with manually so HTC might very well tweaks these values in an update camera app
[One (M7) General] gaabrysz:
Contrast was set to 0. I think saturation was set to -1. Maybe you are right guys and the camera us good. I just expect to much from it:)
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Can't wait for the camera FW upgrade to see if all the small bugs are corrected (over-exposure,focus,noise...)
[One (M7) General] john291:
If i am right there is no FW upgrade (correct me if i am wrong)

All the latest phones have the latest firmware...
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Looks like mobilereview changed their opinion about the One camera, the photos taken are very detailed and clear!

Here some exemples:

Night mode!

Macro mode!

Normal VS HDR
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
there will always be firmware and camera app updates, you dont know HTC my friend :) not at all, in few months from the now the One will 2x as good thanks to software evolution alone

the One X was reinvented twice since release, first they fixed focus and other camera issues, later the camera app was rewritten from scratch, increasing both low light and view finder fps, this is how far they go in optimizing their flagship firmware

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perhaps he finally got the money he wants from HTC :laugh:
[One (M7) General] joslicx:
He has written that he is using an even more recent firmware 1.29 in this review! So another update might be coming soon
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Lovely samples from mobile-review
[One (M7) General] joslicx:
No these pics are still taken from the 1.28 firmware. He has mentioned it

He has mentioned about 1.29. Or maybe it is Google translate the culprit here while it is something else that is written. We need a russian to translate it for us.

I think the One camera is very good (it has to be, simple Optics dictates it). Its just the compression algorithms used by HTC that need to be worked on to get the maximum out of it. There is a very good explanation of the whole thing on androidforums

http://androidforums.com/htc-one/690754-camera-talk-ultrapixel-more-keep-thread-topic-2.html#post5687501
[One (M7) General] john291:
Absolute great samples ...:good:

These are looking great...:good::good::good:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ok thanks for clarifying about the firmware

but you have to agree

per pixel detail at 4MP is just PHENOMENAL, beats the Lumia 920 hands down, just look at the tree branchs in the background

really people your are underestimating this camera

Lumia 920

vs

HTC One
[One (M7) General] Bebida:
Bam straight outa the pocket. Good enough for me.
[One (M7) General] Florin82:
Some of Lumias pictures seem a little blurred. Quess its something to do with that shutter speed.
[One (M7) General] gabit23:
The last line of the review summarizes it well (translated):

"I do not know about you, but I chose a smartphone over the next six months - it will be HTC One."

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/htc-one.shtml
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
let's review some of the samples shall we?

the ones from recent reviews, previous reviews and our own samples like Jonathon

see the trees far back even in the white? that's immense per pixel details, now try to realize this is something you dont usually get on a phone

next

hmmm yup again, same amount of crazy detail in the trees

moving on

look at the vanishing point in the middle of screen, do you realize how far back you can actually see? yup per pixel detail

back to jonathon

standard phone pixel? nope these are ultrapixel

i don't know but i think HTC delivered 100%

for those constantly getting blurry results, even after setting the focus manually, you have a defected camera

the images above are the proof of how much infinite focus / sharpness this camera can achieve
[One (M7) General] richyb86:
Before and after auto enhance and iPhone 5 for comparison
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
mate each one of different size (default vs auto), not a good comparison
[One (M7) General] Daniel F.:
h t t p://farm9.staticflickr.com/8264/8613357850_56ff296537_h.jpg

This one has a very strong pinkish hue in the middle of the picture. I hope that this can be fixed with a softwareupdate. Other than that the pictures look really good.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes all the samples have the exact same qualities

makes me realize the blog scape is full ignorant imbeciles!

they simply failed to grasp what the ultrapixel is all about

and i dont mean only low light, ultrapixel is about capturing 300% more per pixel compared to all its' competitor

these image look simply amazing when viewed in just a slightly reduced scale, the amount of detail in the entire distance is mind blowing

viewed on my apple cinema display, there is so much depth in these photos, I don't even know where to begin
[One (M7) General] Matt:
Blurry door but the lightshade is really sharp, was pitch black but used flash to try to get a shimmering light effect.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
when viewed downscaled :)

still impressive at 1600

at 2048 we start to see the deficits of low MP

but for the purpose of this camera, online and screen, it's impressive

the camera outputs at 2688x1050 @ around 1.81MP size

i usually set samples images like this one or as desktop image to try it on my cinema display (1680x1050) and they still look great, by yes they are reaching the limit at around 1920x1080

in fact i have this one setup as a desktop image and right now and i have hard time believing it did not come from DSLR, very good showcase for this camera especially the shadow areas

let non one fool you, this is one full featured 4MP camera and not some silly compromised phone camera, if anyone claims otherwise they know nothing about photography

its strongest asset is actually daylight, but if you are going to do something stupid like cropping a 4MP image and compare it to 13MP crop what do you expect!

a 6MP ultrapixel would be amazing for the next one
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
check how it destroys the butterfly in low light, those mobile-review photos are simply gold mine

my new favorite desktop wallpaper :)
[One (M7) General] richyb86:
Oh I dunno its only what the xda app let me do. Gave me the option for full or the most it would let me upload at. Do I need to upload on desktop webpage for full resolution?
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
The noise in One photos remember me of first gen DSLR cameras, the more details and raw capture the more noise will appear,some makers added noise reduction but the photos are much softer and loose details then.

I wonder if HTC will upgrade to 6 ultra-pixels next year...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
still much better than the One X ;)

HDR is one area i think the One X still wins
[One (M7) General] richyb86:
Desktop view on chrome on my tab is only uploading at about 300kb. Gonna just see the pics you upload as they are so nice to see even if I do have this phone :thumbup:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
is anyone up to the task of grabbing three outdoor comparison photos with

sharpness -2, sharpness -1, sharpness 0

they need to be perfectly sharp without a hint of blur :) and uploaded to dropbox

Jonathon maybe?
[One (M7) General] Reckless187:
Took these shots last night in the car, no interior lighting apart from the console lights. No filters were applied and the first shot is on the HTC One X, second one is taken by the HTC One. My hand was a bit unsteady on the HTC One shot.

HTC One X

HTC One
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
normal

-1

-2
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
Macro mode
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
mate i can't used them attached because they will be resampled

please attach them as a zipe file or upload to drop box

i need them 100% original

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your focus is off
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
Oh so it is I'll go and take it again oops :eek:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
its always better to set the focus manually, the phone will never be a better guess than you are ;)
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
Didn't think there was a manual mode

I use a slr normally and am use to manual I'll play round with the settings thanks :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
just click your target on screen
[One (M7) General] rovex:
That doesnt always work, mine still hunts around and often doesn't focus on the clicked area.
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
Found manual will play around with it but did auto shot of this one. It freaks me out but love it also
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
seems good focus :)

im surprised you guys are relying on auto focus i never do, i usually focus a couple of times on my One X before i hit the shutter

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you can disable auto focus completely

so when you set it manually it locks to it as long as you dont move
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Thats fine if it actually focus' in the first place.
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
Can I only upload to dropbox with WiFi?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes ofcourse
[One (M7) General] mancuk29:
I was rushing on the flower one cos I was getting strange looks but the second one I took my time and made sure it focused correctly
[One (M7) General] xXxG0dzRAgexXx:
I am quite amazed by all the photos being posted. :D The images look great and due to the lack of noise compared to other phones it makes them so much less of a hassle to edit. The camera on this phone is remarkable. I'm having tons of fun editing the pictures on Photoshop as compared to my iPhone I wouldn't Even think about editing those pictures besides a few color adjustments due to the crazy amount of noise found in dark areas.

Here are two examples:

Heres the first one, it just show you how much you can recover the already better than most smartphone cameras shadow.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69772480/before1.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69772480/after1.png

and here is that one Hamdir showed as his desktop and I thought it looked absolutely stunning. Amazing macro shot. Had to do some HDR Toning to it. :D

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69772480/before2.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69772480/After2.png
[One (M7) General] kf0916:
photo by pottokao
[One (M7) General] SysAdmNj:
Wonder what settings he used for that?

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Ok these are great too. These pics must be from the newer batch of htc ones :D
[One (M7) General] craftycarper1:
Beware when taking photos, if you have vibration on notifications set......the whole image shakes when notification is received.

Haven't managed to capture an image when it happened, just noticed while sitting with the camera app open, it's like looking in your rear view mirror with a kick ass sound system in your car, get the shakes!:laugh:
[One (M7) General] Adam182:
The orange lantern and misty photos are beautiful, I'm really loving these more recent shots. The fact that HTC were bold and brave enough to jump ship on the megapixel race was a huge reason for me to stick with them whether they pulled it off or not (i had previously thought about getting an iPhone 5). Samsung and Apple wouldn't dare do such a thing and it shows with their most recent flagship phones... boring

- Adam
[One (M7) General] john291:
Hello

Are they realy from a htc one?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] ramon.nmgn:
Epic.
[One (M7) General] ayman86:
according to flickr, they were processed through lightroom. so we dont know if any editing have been done to them.
[One (M7) General] ramon.nmgn:
Still epic.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yup clearly post processed but sourced using the HTC One

just like xXxG0dzRAgexXx just did with the mobile-review photos ;)

seems this camera is a little inspiring :)
[One (M7) General] xXxG0dzRAgexXx:
Very much so. I just find it incredible. Just a bit of editing and you can practically make the images appear as if they were taken with a DSLR using bracketing and merging them to make an HDR photo. Of course the editing done can't be done on the phone though. I'm sure there are apps though that can help you adjust shadows and highlights and de-noise but I'm sure they don't have HDR Toning and al the complex options. I always take my images to photoshop so no biggie for me. April 19th and ill have my hands on this baby.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
seems our friend could not upload them

anyone else up to the task?

three photos uploaded at full quality in full focus and sharpness -2, -1 and 0

i want to compare between the three modes and make crops so that we can judge the sharpness algorithm for ourselves
[One (M7) General] Adam182:
If mine does (and its supposed to) arrive in the morning ill snap 3, any preference on the subject?...

- Adam
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Preferably outdoor
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Interview with the htc camera expert who previously worked for kodak. Interesting and made my mind up to purchase this phone.

http://m.blogs.computerworld.com/android/21976/htc-one-camera

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[One (M7) General] rotchcrocket04:
I've gotta know more info about these photos. Obviously post processed, but even still, these are incredible. I'm speechless.
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
Normal

-1

-2

Hopefully this works...
[One (M7) General] smudgelab:
Very interesting, thanks for that. :good:

I can't see these I'm afraid...
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
What made my mind was the guy who worked on the camera also worked for kodak !!!! For me the interview was good because he said what size picture you can make before lose quality ; ) first time I have seen that anywhere

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[One (M7) General] Matt:
Sunset and football

http://m.flickr.com/photos/94464099@N05/8615413192/

http://m.flickr.com/photos/94464099@N05/8615411718/
[One (M7) General] latenlazy:
Copy and past the urls into your address bar.

I think this confirms that a lot of the complaints about noise is due to the sharpening filter.
[One (M7) General] EnIXmA:
Awesome. Can't wait for my HTC one
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
they work we can download them

you should have posted them as a link ;)

but no matter i finally have them thanks

my analysis coming soon

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a link to the interview would be awesome
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
Np. May not be the best of quality like, was on a smoke break at work :p
[One (M7) General] ClydeB1:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39864351&postcount=712 ;)
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
Quite low light though, the sun was setting.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and guys dont forget

you can find more photos by pottokao's in his flikr account, some of them are non touched

although he does seem to be pushing the contrast like we've been doing

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thanks goes to my megathread :good:

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dont worry they will do, all i need is a crop ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
bro you can't attach a drop box, only link it :)

so you can attach the image to your post and link to the original in dropbox
[One (M7) General] jonathan_phang:
Its also worth using the preview button (In the advanced posting mode) to make sure that your links work etc before posting.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One Camera, Sharpness Settings: (Camera > Image Adjustments > Sharpness)

This one for every lazy reviewer complaining about digital sharpness or aggressive edge processing/halos

here is a bit of true, it can be disabled completely with sharpness -2

just like every other HTC since the original Desire

(thanks to Kaichu for the photos)
[One (M7) General] stephen2282:
That's some overly aggressive sharpening!! Nice results with -2. Boosts my confidence in getting this perfect phone :D
[One (M7) General] Kaichu:
My phone is one of those from Three with new firmware to I think, if that helps.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
1.27?
[One (M7) General] smudgelab:
Contrast set at -2 (12748), -1 (12749), 0 (12740) in the three in the link... (I think!). I took them in order -2, -1, 0 but aren't sure if HTC Share uploaded them in that order...

https://share.htc.com/rD-1JYV83#opening
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
which is the zero? i thought we needed to increase the contrast
[One (M7) General] smudgelab:
edited original post... Hopefully this will add the pics to my post.
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
ISO 100, sharpness -1

ISO 100, sharpness -1

ISO 100, sharpness -1 (probably could have done with ISO 200 here, was in shade)
[One (M7) General] Tetsumi06:
Decided to take a couple of snaps on the way back from town just to test things out.

The 1st is sharpening -1, contrast +1

The 2nd was with HDR turned on to show how much detail the sensor is actually picking up in the shaded area.

(Just noticed I should have also set the camera to 4Mp, it seems to have been set to 720p)

Edit: xda didn't add the pics. Failed, sorry.