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[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Of course not, but if you have been using an HTC device since their WM days, you just cannot help but be frustrated.

If you find me a single HTC device that didn't have 1 flaw I will be amazed. When I say flaw, I don't mean crappier screen, or crap speaker quality. I mean:

1. No LED flash (when previous model had it)

2. No LED indicator (when previous model had it)

3. 512 MB less ram then competition (or 1gb less in the case of the One X)

I could go on and on... none of these have been deal breaking, but they are not so insignificant that we can easily ignore it. After all these generations of devices, I cannot help but agree with some people who say that HTC does this on purpose.

Funny thing is... I have made this complaint on the forum for every device they have released since the DHD. They were notorious for this during the WM days, then they improved. But as soon as the Sensation came out... it was another lackluster device.

Then the One X with 1 GB of ram?!?

Now the HTC One with DDR2 instead of DD3.

I'll reiterate: This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me, but it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially because I know HTC is better then this.
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
The same can be said really for many manufacturers =/ I see your frustration though.
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
isnt the point of this thread that MAYBE the phone uses ddr3 and not ddr2 as HTC have said?

because the chip only comes with ddr3?
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
if the device came with DDR3 HTC would state so on their website:

http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs

They state DDR2. S600 supports DDR3, but HTC chose not to include it on their design.
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Sorry if it is too basic a question, but is there any major difference between ddr2 and ddr3?
[One (M7) General] crea78:
According to Phil Nickinson on Android Central, the One will have DDR3 memory. http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...ouve-got-questions-lets-do-2.html#post2598040
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
Taken from the link
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
If that is the case then great! I am skeptical however. I will believe the spec sheet for now.
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
i send a email for htc asking which its corret ddr2 or ddr3
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Great, I wonder what they have to say. Sorry, I'm out of thanks, can't thank you. I will do tomorrow
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
htc support impress me!

Dear matheus criscuolo,

Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Support Center!

We understand it is important to have a phone that meets your needs; we will do our best to provide a solution.

In regards on your question about the HTC One having 2G of DDR2 or DDR3, when you take a look at the HTC website under the specs of HTC One is information is the following:

•Total storage : 32GB/64GB, available capacity varies1

•RAM : 2 GB DDR2

This is the correct information, since this is in our HTC website; the other one that you provide for us to see, is a third-party website and we do not recommend looking at those websites for information like this. I recommend you to always look on HTC official websites or contact HTC Email Support for any questions or assistance you have in the future.

Please do not hesitate in replying back to this email for any further assistance; I will be more than happy to assist you.

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[One (M7) General] g3rm3n:
I think that It is better to writing to qualcomm with the question :p
[One (M7) General] RobertN`:
I don`t think qualcomm has smth to do with that, i guess that snapdragon 600 supports UP to ddr3, so if they decided to go ddr2 i guess it`s possible, why would they advertise it with ddr2 if it`s ddr3? :))
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
but support sometimes is wrong too, lets see some test to be sure
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
OP is saying HTC's site has lpddr2 listed as a typo, and it actually comes with lpddr3 because it's all the 600 series comes with.

Hope he is right..
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
I think it supports UPTO DDR3! :p
[One (M7) General] crea78:
If someone who has used a demo unit in a retail store, is there a way to check under the Settings menu if it is DDR2 or DDR3?
[One (M7) General] paorpas:
This chip is manufactured by Qualcomm and come directly only with ddr3, G Optimus Pro also comes with ddr3 and I doubt they bothered to put ddr2 deliberately on purpose, creating only a lower chip for htc one
[One (M7) General] g3rm3n:
I can see here 600 with DDR3 only...NO upto

http://www.qualcomm.com/media/blog/2013/01/07/snapdragon-800-series-and-600-processors-unveiled
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
Chances are it's just a typo on HTC's website, if im honest I wouldn't exactly trust 'technical support'... it'll be staffed by regular office workers who follow guides and refer anything complex further up the chain.

If you notice all the HTC person says is 'Refer to what our website says' rather than confirming for definite.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
The DRAM does not come directly from Qualcomm, but is integrated onto the logic board, designed by HTC, using Package on package (PoP). The supplier could be Samsung, Hynix or one of the other big DRAM suppliers. Qualcomm have announced support for both LPDDR2 & LPDDR3 on their Snapdragon 400. Maybe HTC support / website is wrong, the only way to know is when ifixit does a teardown of the HTC One.

http://www.qualcomm.com/media/blog/2013/02/20/qualcomm-reveals-snapdragontm-400-and-200-processors
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Yup...

I think we need someone who has some clout with HTC (engadget, etc.) to ask them to confirm if it is LPDDR2 or LPDDR3.

Despite the claims that we shouldn't fret over 2 vs 3, I feel that a 7fps difference does warrant investigating this matter.
[One (M7) General] paorpas:
Phil Nickinson confirms ddr3
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Having seen a Youtube video of a Geekbench run on a HTC One, I compared it to the Nexus 4, which uses a Qualcomm S4 Pro with LPDDR2 memory, in the Stream test, which measures memory bandwidth, both devices score very close to each other. If the HTC One did use LPDDR3, it should be scoring much higher in that test, in theory up to 50% faster. From those tests, I now believe that HTC's website is correct and it uses LPDDR2.

HTC One

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zMZVu-Ln7C0

Nexus 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSF5RQht3d0

Stream performance: Stream workloads measure memory bandwidth. Geekbench 2 uses tests based on the STREAM benchmarks developed John D. McCalpin. Software working with large amounts of data (e.g., digital content creation) relies on good memory bandwidth performance to keep the processor busy.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The chipset supports both
[One (M7) General] g3rm3n:
hamdir which is your opinión about ddr2 or ddr3 please ?

thanks
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
No opinion until I get my hands on clean lab quality benchmarks from anandtech, like I said I'm currently concerned about the GPU results since we were promised a faster Adreno 320 but its too early to draw conclusions

It's all Turbo's fault he is too pessimistic when it comes to these things ;) but he can come around ;)
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
If it turns out they actually do in fact only use lpddr2 in this phone, it's going to be a huge disappointment. As a company, you go all out to make an epic phone to; in the end, not get it quite right...that is just disappointing to me. This is a flagship, settling for less especially like this in the RAM department is just not acceptable IMO.
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Dissappointment? Wow! On the past I never really heard techies bash computers when the DDR3 RAM was announced. Currently I am using a 4GB DDR2 RAM on a windows 7 ultimate on my PC and I could run Crysis 3 on my PC without any hiccups or lags.

Looks like most of the people on the web nowadays are always looking at the numbers. Where bigger is better. They never even consider that all the current softwares available for android couldn't even peak the max bandwidth of the DDR1 except the benchmarks.

Does even 50% of the users here complaining about the DDR2 and DDR3 stuff know what they are suppose to be and what they are and how they can contribute to the performance of a system without searching it's definition on the likes of google search?
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Wrong...

There are many games on android which stress the system. As it stands almost every game runs better on IOS, and no its not because its IOS, its because the hardware is top spec.
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
Umm, dude, think about it, we're going to be playing games on these phones at 1080p. I think it's kinda relevant.... The quicker RAM will benefit the GPU at this resolution, not having it is just dumb for a flagship IMO.
[One (M7) General] paorpas:
oppo find a lower GPU and 1080p screen, run any game perfectly and ddr2
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Games and screen display are all handled by the GPU and there's a dedicated shared memory alotted for the GPU alone so they're really different

And BTW like I said I also have a DDR2 RAM and can play crysis 3 on it on high settings. And if you are worried about the 1080p display then here's my PC's display for you to compare. that's almost 1080p
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
Dedicated and shared memory are not the same, there is dedicated memory, and shared memory, which one is it? If it's shared from the lpddr2 RAM it still comes down to the point that it will perform not as well as lpddr3, so the point would still stand. The higher bandwidth of the lpddr3 would improve how the GPU handles games at that higher resolution, if it's sharing system RAM.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
As you're running Crysis 3, I take it your using a discreet graphics card?, if so, your 4GB system RAM has nothing to do with your GPU and ability to display games fluidly, as it has its own separate and in most cases far higher bandwidth GDDR3/5 memory.

Mid-range GPUs have in excess of 150 GB/s bandwidth, whereas the lowly smartphone that is now expected to power 1080P displays currently max out at 12.8 GB/s, when it comes to graphics bandwidth is one of the most overlooked but important aspects, so I wouldn't go shooting your mouth off without knowing what you're talking about.
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Hmm I think you got the idea there by what I mean by dedicated and shared memory. And yes they are still ddr2

But issue is DDR3 maybe has higher bandwidth but if it has a logical share on it's own then it won't be needed since GPU alone couldn't peak a bandwidth of 800mhz.

And a bigger reason why it's better is DDR3 suffers low CAS latency compared to DDR2. Considering android is running on a VM where memory utilization is important.

And oh... Frequency / Cas Latency = Actual Bandwidth.
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
:eek:

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On top of which GPUs on desktops have higher bandwidth... hence why PCs aren't starved for the most part.

HECK - I play Crysis 3 max on my LAPTOP (1920X1080) :/ (The game isn't even that impressive).

EDIT:

We are talking about LPDDR2, not DDR2.
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
LP on the DDR stands for low power so doesn't really affect performance.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
DDR3 actually has higher CAS latency than DDR2 , but because it runs faster the actual interval latency is slightly lowers in ns

And oh... Frequency / Cas Latency = Actual Bandwidth That is wrong on so many levels!
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Whoops... thanked u by accident...

EIther way, from Wiki (for convience):

Im too lazy to find actual bandwidth of LPDDR2 ram, but if LPDDR3 is expected to run at 12.8gb/s, and DDR2 runs at 20 If I'm not mistaken... You should realize there is a huge difference in bandwidth.
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Anyways my point here is having DDR2 and DDR3 is not something to be worried here on this phone. There's other things we need to criticize here like camera, storage space, battery and likely quality of the phone body and signal if you base it to iphone 5.

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Higher latency is always bad compared to lower latency.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
LPDDR2 at its highest speed (533 MHz) in dual channel config provides 8.5 GB/s bandwidth. Nexus 7 only had 5~ GB/s bandwidth with its Tegra 3, and was bandwidth starved. Another import part of providing the GPU in our mobile SoC with enough bandwidth, is to ensure smooth UI for high resolution displays, Apple even went as far as putting quad channel LPDDR2 on the iPad 4, to ensure they could power their 'retina' display property.
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
My point is, the GPU is sharing system RAM, and the possibility that this is only using the ddr2 variant while going all out on so many things like screen, build quality, and in general this being a flagship phone, it is dumb for HTC to ignore that the higher memory bandwidth of the ddr3 variant will in fact improve how the GPU handles games at 1080p. Being enthusiastic about it like I am and so many others are and will be, it just seems like a really dumb thing to do if it turns out to be true. Really makes this phone feel like it's missing something to me, like seeing a super model, then finding out she has a clubbed foot..
[One (M7) General] onlinejobwork:


When HTC clearly mention they never wrong; to confirm one of our xda member send an email to HTC and they clearly mention that given information on their website is correct and suggest not to look other source of information regarding specification HTC CONFIRMED 2GB DDR2
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
First of all, there could be a typo on their website. And second, their customer service does nothing but pick content from website only. So there is a good CHANCE that it's DDR3
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Even samsung has typo errors with regards to specs. I remember the time when the samsung galaxy relay 4g was announced it was announced as an s3 qualcomm. And in the end it was a qualcomm s4 processor all along.
[One (M7) General] irzero:
DDR2 doesnt have any real disadvantage to DDR3. The CPU would need to be seriously bandwidth starved to make a difference. But if that Ram also provides the memory for the GPU then thats where its going to hurt performance since GPU's are generally bandwidth hungry.

It seems an odd choice to go for slower memory than the SOC asks for.
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
Yea as far as customer support goes, you could probably have asked your magic 8 ball and got an equally reliable answer.
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC one si 2gb ram DDR3 not DDR2

Should I ask my contact @ htc if it is a ddr3 or a ddr2? He has a htc one in his hands
[One (M7) General] mitas35:
pls:crying:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Well yes but even if he has it in his hands he can't tell, it's not written anywhere

But u can ask him to run a GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 - Offscreen (1080p) test, on a full battery, no power saving and a clean run (just this test standalone) :D
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC one si 2gb ram DDR3 not DDR2

Well he is the one who is responsible for pr stuff for htc Germany. I get my HTC One from him later.

I can ask him to do a benchmark, not sure if he will do that.

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Asked for the clarification of ddr2 or ddr3 and asked for the benchmark result when you run it without any influence of previous benchmarks.
[One (M7) General] mitas35:
So when we will have the resoulds? Thanks:fingers-crossed:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Awesome lets hope it will be fruitful
[One (M7) General] mitas35:
+1
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Posted it in another thread, but here are some Antutu Ram results: (I dont know how viable/usefull they are!)

Htc one: 4189/4194

Butterfly: 3441

Xperia Z: 3158

Droid DNA: 3338

If Phonesarea is correct, the dna/butterfly uses ddr2 533mhz ram. So i think Xperia Z uses the same.

Quadrant Memory results:

One: 11094

Xperia Z: ~9800

Butterfly: ~9800

So it seems like the ram is faster. But fast enough to be DDR3?
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC one si 2gb ram DDR3 not DDR2

Whenever I get a response. Usually within the next 2 days if he does it.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
The Geekbench 2 Stream test is purely a bandwidth test, that doesn't touch I/O, given the HTC One scores in the same area as the Nexus 4, my money is firmly on LPDDR2, as per HTC's spec list. Can't wait for the new GLBenchmark!

Playing devil's advocate here. Wouldn't it be wierd, if Qualcomm's updated Adreno 320 was getting most of its speed improvement from the higher bandwidth of LPDDR3, but HTC chose DDR2 instead.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes that would be too ironic :) but such stuff are always possible with HTC...they worked pretty closely with qualcomm on this, in fact this device was the main real device launch for s600, really odd they went with DDR2
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Interestingly, the highest Nexus 4 score in Egypt HD 1080 offscreen is now 33.7 FPS. This must have been achieved with a custom kernel that overclocks the GPU to 450 MHz and resolves the premature throttling, bricked kernel does this.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no shipping device currently uses LPDDR3, I smell supply issues at work. If you like conspiracies, HTC could play the + game, in 6 months launch a 'new' HTC One + with LPDDR3 and faster 1.9 GHz Snapdragon 600, nice boost in benchmarks and press coverage for little cost to HTC.:rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] GlossGhost:
Good point.

Let's hope that they don't do + and screw HTC One users if it ships with LPDDR2.

That way the point about HTC saving money with LPDDR2 goes away.
[One (M7) General] paorpas:
good news, I think if it is
[One (M7) General] RobertN`:
What i don`t understand, if this phone is something like "All in" for HTC, why they didn`t went "All in", getting cheap on rams was pretty lame but probably most of the users won`t care because anyway the phone is a beast and the difference between ddr2 and ddr3 in day to day use is very low.

I just hope they won`t come in the winter holidays with an "One Plus" with snapdragon 800 + all that **** :(
[One (M7) General] hapticc:
Dear SAMSUNG FAN s3 also has same 1gb ram lol..... Notorious kids

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Benchmarks QUADRANT ANTUTU AND NENAMARK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijp79uCwFg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Brain Klug from Anandtech is re-iterating that the HTC One does use LPDDR2, I trust this guy.

https://twitter.com/jomaKern/status/305753481891946496
[One (M7) General] paorpas:
fail :D
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Damm you!!!:D
[One (M7) General] dmarco:
I'm not too convinced about your proof; only because I've seen benchmark where the One scored significantly higher than the nexus 4.

I'm searching for those scores now....

....

...... Stay tuned folks :D
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
OK, but unless you talking about Geekbench 2 Stream test, which just tests memory bandwidth, I fully expect the HTC One to beat the Nexus 4, it has a faster SoC, but not necessarily higher bandwidth RAM.
[One (M7) General] g3rm3n:
Has LG Optimus G Pro DDR3 ?
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Dear retarded HTC Fan boy:

The NA GS3 had 2GB of Ram in the NA Model, which is where I'm from TY very much.

Just for the record, I have been using HTC devices for over 10 years and have probaly owned more Cell Phones (let alone HTC branded ones) then u have over your entire life span :p

So kindly STFU :angel:

If u can't stand HTC being critisized you should take some business courses in University and learn about why customer loyalty such as yours is a bad thing for consumers.

Geez... hate ppl like the quoted posters, attacking ppl for no reason.
[One (M7) General] paorpas:
yes
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
But na version is 20‰ more weak than internacional version. Is only dual core.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Time to call it a day on this topic

I trust Brian as well

it's DDR2 and 31fps in onscreen 1080p, 8fps less than onscreen full s600

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One

unless Anandtech can prove it wrong, this is it

in other words we are only getting the 40% improvements on the CPU side and not the GPU

and this is what he said about the GPU

so lets hope its software
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
why, HTC? :'(
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC one si 2gb ram DDR3 not DDR2

Confirmation from my HTC contact.

It's definitely ddr2
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
did he run the bench?
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC one si 2gb ram DDR3 not DDR2

Nope. He didn't. He didn't even answer on that point of my mail lol
[One (M7) General] BenPope:
Would you like to rephrase that such that it makes sense? Hint: usually the "let alone" clause is a subset.
[One (M7) General] hapticc:
LoL apology on my mistake but WHAT DO YOU THINK by using more cellphones.... YOU SOB :P
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
FAIL, revenge served :laugh:

It's confirmed as LPDDR2 in the Optimus Pro G, no confirmed LPDDR3 Snapdragon 600 devices yet.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6792/...nce-preview-snapdragon-600-tested-at-mwc-2013

Can we close this thread, HTC One has been confirmed as LPDDR2 by many reputable sources, including HTC!, Phil 'doughboy' Nickinson from Android Central pulled the DDR3 rumour out of his ass, and cannot back it up in the face of actual evidence.
[One (M7) General] g3rm3n:
Why do they ( htc and lg ) assemble ddr2 instead ddr3 ?

Which is the point of this?
[One (M7) General] shox22:
For sure cause of: $$$$

or delivery bottlenecks.
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Finally! 1 hyped up issue down :) Thanks for the confirmation and the link @Turbotab. :good:
[One (M7) General] stephen2282:
Quite a let down, and here i actually believe they will put in LPDDR3 after seeing the specs of Snapdragon 600 indicates they use LPDDR3... Question is how much bandwidth will Adreno 320 use? Can it really be supported to the point that there is a significant difference between DDR2 and DDR3.

Also, what happens if there is unused bandwidth?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
to me MC4 full effects is running better than i expected, i had the GL score + DDR2 concerns as well

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i need to see the game for myself in order to confirm if its scaling or native
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