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[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
There were two socs.. but exynos first and the other a month later.. I have serious doubts they would come with octa for gs4.. and wont it be stupid if they announce octa at new york and allow them to play with it at the event and tell the people there that you guys in the usa are gonna get only snapdragons..ouch..lol

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] strip419:
The Octa core in the SGS4(IF USED) will come with the same GPU used in iPad 3....if soo HTC and LG will be knocked down hard. ouch...

Sammy will surely not disappoint on their next flagship. Also having apple as their main rival it will only make sense if the go for the icta and leave apple in the dust.
[One (M7) General] MrPhilo:
It be the same as the iPhone 5, not iPad 3.

The iPhone 5 gets around 3100 on GLBenchmark at 266Mhz and clock is doubled on the Exynos Octa which should put its performance better than the Apple A6X (iPad 4) and on par with Tegra 4.
[One (M7) General] i9100g user:
They could use octa for europe models and snapdragon for U.S models

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201302260010
[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
If they use ..they will be definitly on top.. whether they use it or not is to be seen

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] Hunt3r.j2:
The current Exynos 5250, which is a 1.7 GHz dual core Cortex A15, is already capable of reaching an 8W TDP if both CPU and GPU are at full load. Phone SoCs need to hit around 1W for power efficient ones, and 2W for power hungry ones (read: Tegra 3). Exynos 5 Octa will not make it to the GS4 unless the Cortex A15s are basically never used.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes can you elaborate on this issue please? this is a very concerning problem and i thought qualcomm dealt with it by the S600

39c is ridiculous, Tegra 3 GPU runs full speed stable at 55c

this basically means in my ambient environment my One would stick to the 200mhz all time! so mcuh for the hyped Adreno 320!

im sure we can deal with things when we root but we kinda wanted not to "fix" it, besides root is ok, what you are talking requires custom kernels which is a headache honestly (especially with HTC since they are late to release kernel source codes)

finally i was thinking, remember when Nvidia said they didn't not addunified shaders or ES 3.0 because it would increase complexity to the silicon? i bet they are right yet again, this complexity must be what's causing the thermal intolerance on the Adreno 320...

edit:

actually this is starting to piss me off! GPUs should not throttle this badly! in fact they should not throttle at all unless they are about to melt! this threshold is ridiculously low but it must be there for a reason! i bet the silicon like faux reported is too damn intolerant just like the S4pro before it! :mad:

Tegra 3 GPU did not throttle despite the thermal hot lava hell its living in at 40nm!!!!

To recap to those who dont know why its such a big deal

39fps is just enough to match the Nexus 4 / iPhone 5 / iPad 4 real world gaming! in other words we are not even hoping for faster just the promised "boost" to "equalize" the loss by moving to 1080p, again this was promised by Qualcomm (40% faster, 3x Adreno 225)

right now on the One its 13% faster and the LG Optimus pro results are 14% slower than s4pro!

damn you qualcomm where do you think we live in Alaska???
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
no preorder for me until i know how this pans out!
[One (M7) General] RobertN`:
Same, and i was/kinda am hyped about it.
[One (M7) General] shox22:
If i find the time today, i´ll go to an o2 shop and try to get a clean gl benchmark run. But i think i already know the result: 34fps. But we´ll see.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
on the nexus 4:
[One (M7) General] GlossGhost:
I have watched the whole one hour Review.

Erica does some awesome reviews and explains in depth everything.

It's kind of logical, if you ever overclocked a GPU card on a PC you know that you can double the clock sometimes on NVIDIA cards, but what you have to watch out clearly is the temperature.

If the temperature goes high it may damage many things, thats why they did that and made it lower the clock on CPU and GPU.

Too bad though, having this power without knowing how to control it as hamidr said is bad.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
you dont see this happening on the iPhone5 or iPad5 or even the hot lava Tegra 3 on the One X (it throttles the CPU just 200mhz and the GPU is untouched, unless it reaches insane heat) you can play for hours

this is simply cheating for the sake of better battery life
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
i bet in the next year or two we will actual dedicated heatsinks in phones
[One (M7) General] GlossGhost:
Yeah I have played for a few hours on iPhone and I can say that it can burn your hands!

But you are right, they don't cut the clocks so much there, they don't cut them at all.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no body cuts the GPU clocks in such way, CPU yes but not GPU

it even sounds like the Adreno 320 is unable to keep those clock and therefore they are "cheating"

again we dont have evidence its happening on the One, but we do have stronger evidence on the LG Optimus Pro (hitting 26fps is definitely throttling)

so lets wait and see, you can not draw conclusions yet

if it is indeed throttling you can solve it in a million way using root, for example lowering CPU clocks and lets them throttle while keeping the gpu at its speed

but yes it needs root, custom fixing n risky (no one throttles the GPU this way, so there must b a reason)
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
40 c Dont damage a hardware, But our hands, and Iphone have low power cpu
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
guess this mean we still have to do "gaming fix" for the One, I was kinda hoping to be done with this

also believe me you can't convince an iPhone gamer to make the switch with such "Buts"

we have HTC CPU governor as a concern for gaming (if they opted interactive out)

and we also have to control the GPU thermals...

yes im pretty sure we can fix it, in fact we hyper boosted the One X to high heavens in gaming here at XDA, but its getting tiring really

you see despite how much we are pissed at the dated iOS and tight suffacting control on the Apple devices they were always less experitmental and did things right

this is exactly why they still didnt apply quad core and dare i remind everyone here, they were the ones shouting "megapixels do not mean better quality"

if on Google's own Nexus 4 there is such a severe compromise in gaming, i say we are still far off from iOS, gaming is a still not taken seriously

maybe one day all Android OEMs will mature about gaming (Seems to me the chinese are doing better in their homegrown devices, their balance of specs are often better for gaming)
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Thing is though, all of the currently released devices running Snapdragon are made by LG, which for personal reasons (and personal experience) I'm not that fond of. Their software (and updating policy) was always my major gripe with them.

So, after hearing they'd make the Nexus 4 I was intrigued as they do tend to use good screens, and the S4 pro was an added joy. And they've cheated us. Why? Because they've made us believe that the Nexus was pretty much the Optimus G with some compromises. They didn't tell us which. Have you ever heard of GPU throttling on the Optimus G? I sure haven't.

This can be clearly seen when observing the difference between the Optimus G and Nexus 4 in the Anandtech table:

Clearly shows what the S4 Pro is capable of when put in proper hardware, so I wouldn't lament the One just yet.

And as far as I'm concerned, if this is in fact a driver issue that differentiate between it and the alleged GS4 (6 fps right?) I'll be more than pleased.
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Well it didn't throttle, but it couldn't run the benchmark parcours of Anandtech either because it freakin' crashed:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/3

So either throttling or crashing? We still need answers :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and the LG Optimus G pro with s600 is throttling right there in your graph

as for the results of Adreno 320 devices, you can't really tell, because we don't know if the device was throttling at the moment of the test (it wouldn't throttle if you run the test first and alone)

we still don't know if HTC does, the fact it scored 34 and not less in four tests is a good sign so far

its still a concern however until proven otherwise
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Either way, I've pre-ordered mine already.

Don't get me wrong, I'm concerned as well. Reading Eddcake's quote from Anandtech makes me believe more and more that the major factor is an ongoing driver issue on Qualcomm's side, however I'm not sure that this is the only culprit on the LG cases. I just don't trust LG.

I'm wondering though, the only major difference between the One's system specs and the unknown Samsung's that I can tell is the CPU is clocked higher on it. Can it, and newer drivers account for 7 FPS alone? Might be DDR3 as well, but we just don't know.

Wish I could run GLBench on the One I have here, but I'm not allowed under any circumstance to connect it online (and GLBench requires an internet connection).
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
do it! so far all our attempts to get a clean bench failed

is it final software?

and yes the Adreno 320 horror stories seems more known on the LG devices, we have no evidence of it on the HTC devices like the One, DNA and butterfly

funny after watching the Nexus video, im now a little impressed the One is scoring 34 after few benchmark suites before it
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
I can't, my bosses monitor it - it's connected to a limited internal WIFI network from which I can't access the web at all, only internal company sites. We're not allowed to take these devices online under any circumstance.

However I can run any other benchmark which doesn't require an internet connection. For what it's worth, it scores a perfect 60 fps (60.2 to be exact) on Nenamark 2. GLB is really my go to benching software when it comes to GPU testing, do you know of any other good alternative?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
its the only non vsync bench and a good metric with other devices

nenamark is worthless nowadays

you can try this

http://results.rightware.com/devices/at*t/lg/e970_optimus_g/basemark_es2v1_taiji_free

but its vsynced as well...but if the average is better than the Optimus G on the higher 1080p is a good sign

we need the low, high and average
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Just ran it, it did 39.09. Assuming that's the average, I guess you need to upload the score online to get the min and max.

I'm not sure this is the final software.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes its less than the optimus G because of 1080p, guess its time to give up really, this is the same old performance of Adreno 320

this leaves only the drivers

did you try run it few times to see if it causes throttling?
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
I think I need to upload the score online to see it, it doesn't show anywhere in the UI itself.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
we can still use this to our advantage, can you run the test few times to see if the GPU throttles?
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Look at what i´ve found:

http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/11/htc-droid-dna-for-verizon-looks.html

These are Benchmarks of the DNA(/Butterfly. The basemark 2.0 score is 49.21fps (with the menu bar).

If these DNA Benchmarks are real... there is something completly wrong with the one!
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
I'll have to do that tomorrow, I'm off in 15 minutes or so.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
good find, yes something is definitely wrong

the DNA has the same 1080p resolution, so the score is impressive and should be out done by the One...
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Disabling the menu bar was the first thing I've done with it.

With the menu bar enabled it scored 41.31.

Again, let me emphasize - this is probably not the final software.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the butterfly scores 48 in this video

[YOUTUBE]Ew0ukTZTEuY[/YOUTUBE]

but its scores 38 in here

http://www.sogi.com.tw/newforum/article_list.aspx?topic_ID=6204762

so one of two:

unpredictable bench or throttling
[One (M7) General] shox22:
The htc j is not the butterfly j:

http://www.htc.com/hk-en/smartphones/htc-j/

Its a qhd 4.3" Phone.

I´d say at least the basemark 2.0 benchmark from the link i´ve posted is wrong.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so the second link is correct, same score as Trekest, 39fps...
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Yep, the one on the video is the J, it has an S3 1.5 GHz CPU.

I've got a DNA around here, going to test it in a sec.

Edit: Ran it, with the menu bar enabled, it did 32.38 (average of 3 runs).

Perhaps this benchmark doesn't do well with 1080p phones...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the first run was?
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
31.2

Just noticed - it's running an old OS version, 1.09. I think 2.x has been released recently, right?

Will have to check that tomorrow. I really need to get going now.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
I admit that the values are ultra conservative, but lets not get too derp on this matter, Qualcomm / Google engineers are highly qualified people, they must have been clear reasons for these values, whether they made the correct compromise depend on your viewpoint. They have to balance, reliability, longevity, battery life, etc etc. All these SoC have to juggle between the CPU & GPU to keep within their thermal envelope, Nvidia are no different, in fact their Tegra 3 hotplug manager is hardly optimal, just asked the bricked or faux kernel devs

I'm sure that TSMC initial issues with 28nm node, forced them to err on the side of caution, as It's a Nexus, you can easily flash either bricked or faux kernel which increases these thermal values. I will say, maybe they should have protected the GPU clock more than the CPU on certain workloads such as gaming, usually a real-world workload either stresses the the GPU or CPU, but not both together, it will be interesting to see the thermald.conf of these new Snapdragon 600 devices and see what has changed.

Also, is this a downside of having a quad-core SoC and large GPU?, are the conservative thermal values the result of Qualcomm having to account for the unlikely, but possible situation of all 4 cores being pegged at a high %, and thus creating a ****load of heat, I personally would have been happier with a higher-clocked dual-core S4 Pro. The acid test will be if Apple decide to equip the next iPhone with a dual or quad core, as historically they are conservative on the CPU and aggressive on the GPU side.

As transistors get smaller their leakage gets worse, thanks to the strange world of quantum tunneling, which adversely affects heat and power characteristics. There are cool technologies to help combat the issue, such as Finfets, FDSOI etc, but is the the ultimate solution the use of cutting edge fans in tablets and larger phones, check this video out....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hm5fXj-hUpk#!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
32 basemark on the DNA, at least this confirm the One is scoring higher lol

all is left is to test few runs on the One to see if it throttles

will help us throw out the throttling theory

and yes a software update as big as 2.x might newer drivers for the DNA

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yes no one cuts the clocks of a highly hyped GPU by half unless there is a good reason

just keep thinking how nvidia was right when they said they did want to increase silicon complexity

such a bummer

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maybe tomorrow Trekest can help us with this
[One (M7) General] shox22:
So we see a constant increase of 10-20% in gpu performace over the old adreno 320.

I think our "last" chance to get more fps out of it is an update on 4.2.x. And that could take some time.

But maybe the 40% increase over the s4pro stands for the whole soc and not the cpu AND gpu.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no the key here is the supplied 3x Adreno 225 figures which equals 39fps, also the samsung leaked bench
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Just had to add this here: Remember when ZTE announced they're the first with a Snapdragon 800 with the Grand Memo? And how we envied them?

Well, not only are Chinese experts at making slow poor devices fast, they also flat out LIE about it:

Snapdragon 800? Nope. APQ8064 - no T, meaning it's not even a 600. It's an S4 Pro.

2GB Ram? In reality: 1GB.

Benchmarks? Same level as Galaxy S II at Antutu, beaten at Quadrant by the Droid DNA and Optimus G.

Maybe they're using RDRam...

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...y-has-an-s4-pro-lies-about-amount-of-ram-too/
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
I want to make it clear that I have a large amount of respect for Chinese culture / people, but Chinese corporate culture, which is basically an extension of the communist one part state is utter BS, corruption and low accountability do not build trust and long term sustainability. Hong Kong shows that China can compete without all the political bull****, at the very least far less than on the mainland.

So, ZTE's press releases stating they will release the first Tegra 4 phone, will actually be a Tegra 3:(
[One (M7) General] strip419:
If all these comments could be sent to HTC , the will surely do something about it, to be sincere I have lost hope in the ONE . 100% to 50% , if the SGS4 comes with bad gpu then I might get the ONE. Surprisingly the gpu in the nexus 10 is placed secound to the iPad 4 in a 1600p benchmark(using my phone can't post source) so I have Hugh hopes for the SGS4, I buy my phones for 70% gaming 20% media 10% web surfing. So gpu performance is very important to me.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
but the leaked samsung snapdragon 600 device is higher than the nexus 10

so if its true the SGS4 has this score and comes with s600

pretty sure HTC will "fix" it ;)
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
so just to be clear - you think it is mostly a software issue?

otherwise how could they fix it if its the ddr2 ram thats the bottleneck?

PS what is this samsung sd 600 leaked phone? ive somehow missed it
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
People, people, I'll say it again, this more than likely device specific.

The LG Nexus 4, has the thermal constraints set weirdly low, you could them with a custom kernel, or just manually editing the thermald.conf file, if rooted. Other S4 Pro didn't devices didn't have the problem. So, who says LG hasn't messed up again.

We have a GLBenchmark - Egypt HD - Offscreen figure of 34 FPS, for the HTC One, we need to wait for the Anandtech or when an XDA user is able to run the GLB tests Anandtech style, i.e. select all the tests and press start!, if the HTC One scores much lower than 34 FPS, we have an issue, but we can't really compare LG & HTC on an equal basis.

As a side issue, can any iPhone 5 owner, run GLbenchmark 2.5.1 and select all the tests, and report back the FPS they get?
[One (M7) General] i9100g user:
Right it would be better to wait for a "proper" benchmark than to make some conclusions.

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
It's right there in glbenchmark website top list, using adeno 320 it scores 41fps offscreen

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Yes it would be stupid to say I will not buy it anymore

But here is what we know:

- HTC One scores less than the expected results based on Qualcomm figures and confirmed by the Samsung leaked device

- no proof of throttling on HTC since it scored the same 34fps on multiple occasions, we loose 3fps by moving to Vsync results

- the LG s600 device is scoring too low, a definite sign of throttling

- there is a history of GPU throttling issues on previous s4pro LG devices

- HTC One is running on Android 4.1.2 while the leaked Samsung is running on 4.2.x, its safe to assume the Samsung is using newer drivers

ill test GL heavily on the iPhone 5 tomorrow in the office

Actually I'm a lot more interested in a single clean run of HD offscreen, all devices throttle but not as bad as the Nexus 4

So priority one a single clean Egypt HD on a cool device

Secondary try all the tests to check the losses
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
ah fantastic!

that can only be good news then!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Where are the good news again? :)
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
The HTC One is fast enough really. There are some great custom kernels for the Nexus 4, which given the similarity of S4 Pro & Snapdragon 600 is promising for HTC One development, once they release kernel sources.
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
In the land of XDA, fast is never fast enough.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Benchmarks here from polish review

34fps 31fps again

http://www.benchmark.pl/testy_i_recenzje/htc-one-test/strona/19382.html?

Lots of tests at the link including GL low levels

Seems we just found out the poster of the latest results on glbenchmark
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
when do sites like anandtech usually have their test devices??

like 1 week before general release?
[One (M7) General] fernando sor:
though i never game on a phone i have learned a bit about mobile gpu on this thread.

it would never influence my decision on my next smart phone though it certainly would on my laptop so i get it.
[One (M7) General] AayushDhuria:
Nexus 4 has thermal throttling because of overheating. Temperature change might break it's rear glass, and many users are already saying it has. So they had to, that was the only solution, it's always running on the verge of getting cracked. I'm yet to know about Xperia Z :fingers-crossed:
[One (M7) General] expertzero1:
Sounds about right. Love seeing that thread about his back glass breaking lol
[One (M7) General] GlossGhost:
lol

Good job LG, should have placed gorilla glass on the back too.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
haha is this real :D

ok given our metal body I think we can at least give the throttling worry a rest

we didn't see a score lower than 34fps anyway

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Padfone 2:

funny how Qualcomm used to make fun of hit chipsets
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Morning!

I've updated the DNA I have here to 2.04. The UI does feel a lot snappier, however there's no difference at all in the Taiji basemark front.

Still running between 31-33 fps with the menu bar on (yesterday, with the menu bar on the One scored ~41 fps).

I'm going to stress the One a bit now with Taiji. I'll try making a script and run it consecutively and check whether any throttling occurs, however I seriously doubt it since the Nexus 4 glass back argument in a previous post here makes a lot of sense.

Update: 20 iterations in, no throttling kicking in yet. 41.1-41.5 fps consistently.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Excellent thanks for confirming there is no throttling on the HTC One

this also means the 34fps is final on the 4.1.2 based firmware

but also this confirms the HTC One GPU is faster than the DNA (10fps difference in Taji test)

and the hope of higher results on the 4.2.x Android, or maybe Samsung is using a higher clock (which we can achieve by custom kernels)

goes to the mega thread :)

@Turbo can you please update your intial post as well?
[One (M7) General] kenny17430:
I have read that the 600 can run up to 1.9ghz and also that the GS4 rumors are that he is running at 1.9ghz, as HTC one decided to downclock the Snapdragon 600.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
by the way Trekset how hot does it get? (the shell)

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CPU down clocking is smart for battery (we already have abundance of CPU power) and has nothing to do with the choice of GPU clocks (usually)

but yea you are right they might have opted for lower GPU clocks just like the CPU