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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] Skripka:
Yup. OP, the motherboard in your note2 that contains basically everything is about the size of a standard business card... Most of the rest of the internal volume of your phone is the battery.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
Yeah about the size of a business card only it has essentially more hardware strapped to it than a full blown PC. The pins that need to be soldered are so small they're measured in microns. To put that in perspective the pins are about as wide as the average human hair and they are stacked right next to each other. The person who solders these does it via remote control while watching whats going on thru a microscope. Just the extra amount of software that needs to be developed and maintained alone increases the cost exponentially. Its not like they have 1 guy working on it, typically its a team of 4-20 software engineers with a base pay of around 80k a year for the lowest guy on the totem pole and anywhere upwards of 250k for the lead some leads make 2 or 3x that. All that cost factors in to the msrp of the devices. A wifi only tablet would require a much smaller team of devs to create and maintain the software and those devs also don't need to specialize in cellular technology, which means they don't cost as much to employ.

I like to break stuff! :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] lovekeiiy:
I agree with the above. There are just more features on the phone compared to the Nexus 7.

That said, you need to take into account the target audience between GN2 and Nexux 7. The N7, as nice of device as it is, is meant as entry device. The screen is nice, but other than that, it's kind of barebones, no SD card slot, no SIM slot, and so forth. The GN2 is a flagship phone. Besides all the bells and whistles, the companies charge more because of it as well. I would also add that since they don't sell as many, they charge more to hit that profit margin they seek. Plus, who knows what subsidy Sprint paid Samsung, which could also have an effect.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] poor_red_neck:
Not quite right...all small SMT components are hot air flowed... not "soldered" by hand..

Now-a-days the only thing soldered with an iron are large wires, and components that can't be wave soldered (PCBs travel through a pool of molten solder) or surface mount flowed with hot air/oven (a screen press deposits solder paste and then a rapid product placer deposits the SMD components on the PCB.) Then the PCB is sent through an oven. SMD solder melts at much lower temperatures than your typical rosin core solder. The benefit of SMD placement is the solder is suspended in flux, and they chips have the tendency to "self align" if not placed exactly. However the precision of rapid product placers are simply incredible. Ours was calibrated in the 10s of microns.

Here's a vid that might help illustrate it better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJS_Jqw3Sy0

As you can see, only the "large" components are done by hand. EVERYTHING else is automated.

References: Father was an EE with Dupont, and I used to work at a PCB manufacturing facility (yes some stuff tech is still made in the good ol' USA!)

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Going back on topic....

Google is selling the Nexus 7 at a loss... if not a loss a VERY VERY VERY small margin.

Your Note 2 did not cost $300. It cost $700 or more. Sprint helped you buy that phone by purchasing it subsidized. Not to mention OLED is a much more expensive technology than LCD.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
I'm going to assume you've never seen a cellphone manufacturing floor so I'll leave this here tell me do you see any automated machines assembling those logic boards?

I like to break stuff! :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] thatjerk:
Those are South Korean cyborgs... duh!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] poor_red_neck:
Um... I see workers handling assembled boards for final assembly. Yes final assembly may be done by hand, but I can assure you humans are not placing individual SMT components and soldering them. Attaching ribbon cables and assembling the board into the frame/attaching the screen? Absolutely done by hand. I was speaking specifically about the PCB manufacturing process.

I have visited many factories in China. I spent 8 months there for a company I worked for. Our parent company hand "vested interest" in other manufacturing facilities. Let's just say I had alot of free time when I was over there... and when I was a kid the only reason I watched "Mr Rogers" was the "intro" part to see how stuff was made. Once the whole train going into la-la-land started I cut it off :) So naturally I visited facilities I was allowed to. Cellphone facility in particular? No, however it doesn't matter if that PCB is for a cell phone, a computer, a GPS, a digital camera, or an automotive engine computer they are all made the same way.

It's just not economical. Those PCBs are made 4-10 to a sheet in mass quantities, cut down with automated mills, then shipped to the actual phone manufacturer, as most of the time those PCBs are outsourced.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] aviralsingh16:
I know man even all models of galaxy tab 2 are cheaper then s iii note ii and others its because processor tab 2 has 1 GHz processor and specs are not that good maybe next gen tabe will be more expensive.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] lovekeiiy:
what the? don't be afraid of punctuation. I think you have four sentences in that one long run on. And I can't figure out what you're trying to say, never mind the point you're expressing. you're killing me.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
They're Chinese actually. That pic is of the assembly line where they solder the emmc and SoC to the logic boards. I can't remember if that pic is of iPhone assembly or another phone, but I'm almost positive those were from the inspections for work conditions for Apple at foxconn. The workers there hand attach the SoC, emmc and radio antennas SoC and emmc require soldering. The main assembly line looks like a sea of people where they assemble the housing/logic board to have a finished product after its been thru these clean rooms where all the electronic parts are soldered and tested. The closest workers in these pics are doing QC testing on the SoC before it goes to the next line(to the right in the pic) where it will be attached to the board

I like to break stuff! :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] guisar:
The difference is carriers. N7s are also available with modems and of course support external modems, I. used my a500 as a phone for almost 6 months. There are also a lot more complaints and support costs (think retail stores and airwaves) and the carriers want mega returns while retail and hw vendors leave to live on lower margins. Finally the are a lot more phone than tablet models and companies sucking from the profit trough. The differences have nothing to do with the size of the device or direct costs.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] ac16313:
If you're going to judge someone's sentences, then I'd say you could join them in an English class as well.... Your sentences aren't prefect; neither are mine. This is a forum not an elitist bastard gathering.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] lovekeiiy:
LOL. In my mind, my sentences are perfect, LOL Thus, I never proof read my postings,

I may have rambled, but I seriously had no clue what the poor guy was trying to say. I couldn't tell when a thought started and stopped. I've been reading poor internet speech for almost twenty years, which I've gotten pretty good at reading through most grammar errors. I wasn't trying to be an enlists, but point out one problem and why it was problem.

I just can't picture I was the only one who couldn't figure out what he was trying to say. It may have been a good point. As my German teacher once said to our class, "the first goal of language is to express an idea. After that, it's all about cleaning up the expression." I don't think he accomplished the first goal. With that said, if there is a problem, and nothing is ever said, then how can it fixed or improved upon.

Just don't ask me to enter any spelling bees, LOL.

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back on topic, another reason the GN2 is more expensive is because Samsung or Sprint can charge more because some people are willing to pay more for it. Proof, most of this subform with everyone who bought one, LOL.

It part of how Apple makes a money by truck loads. People are willing to pay more for their products versus other comparable products.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] poor_red_neck:
Are you referring to me? At what point was I making run on sentences? Yeah I put stuff in parenthesis alot, probably not where they're "supposed" to go but I'm on a cell phone forum, not an English teacher's discussion group.

I think it was pretty easy to understand what my post is.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] luisrodg:
While all the claims of smaller in size = higher costs are true to a certain point, thats not the main culprit.

The main reason is the carrier subsidy. Basically the price is $800 because anyways you will only pay $200 and the carrier will cover the rest, so they can pretty much charge whatever they want. If there was no carrier subsidy, almost no one would pay $800 for a phone, there would be no demand, and they would HAVE to lower the prices.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] PoorHomey:
FWIW,

You are correct that the individuals in the photo are, in fact, Chinese.

However, the photo isn't a "cellphone manufacturing floor."

Those aren't logic boards, and nobody is assembling or soldering anything at all.

It's actually the Seagate hard drive factory in Wuxi, China - and those are hard drives which have already been assembled.

The "tool" you see the girl in the background using is not a soldering iron - it's a barcode scanner.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
My bad, that's what I get for trying to pic a photo from hundreds of thumbnails of factory workers. Probably should have opened my gallery first lol. Here's the right pics bottom photo is closer up of worker soldering logic boards. Rest are randoms of workers in various phases of production, all people no automated machines anywhere

I like to break stuff! :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] PoorHomey:
Not tryin to be nit-picky here... But the first pic is a garment factory, and those are SEWING MACHINES!!!. lol :p

Third pic is from a seafood processing plant. :p

In one of the bottom pics, a worker is inserting the ATX power connectors into PC motherboards.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
The pics are small as hell before I upload them lol kinda hard to see much more than a sea of workers. I have about 500 pics of factory workers in china from a report on work conditions we had to do for insurance purposes for one of our policy holders. I managed to snag a bunch of the thumbnails before I had to turn them over cuz I thought it was kind of interesting to see what goes on in there. I could just upload the entire file of all the pics but its about 200mb of thumbnails of random factorys/workers used for various mfg by one of our policy holders. We had to do a risk assessment on their products before we could insure manufacturing to shipping for the distributor we insure.

I like to break stuff! :D

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Kinda hard to really see much in a 1"x1" pic on my phone of a mass amount of people >_<. The company I work for insures the shipping and distribution company used by several companies who employ chinese factories to do their manufacturing we essentially cover any damages incurred during packing at the mfg, loading, shipping and unloading so we had to do a risk assessment on the factories used before we could renew the policy as mistreated or over worked employees are a higher risk for unnecessary accidental damage. You don't even wanna see the batch of pics from a name brand clothing mfg we had to drop due to the work conditions.

I like to break stuff! :D

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The only pic that really matters is the last one with the close up of the logic board assembly and the clean room of the screen assembly, the overviews are more to just show what the factory floors look like since every single pic looks identical minus the items being mfg and the color of the coveralls. Otherwise they all just look like a mass of people outside of a few floors where the parts are actually produced prior to assembly. You don't even wanna know what the "living" conditions are like since about 90% of these facilities use on site dormitories which they stack between 6-12 employees to a room. Our investigators that took or commissioned these pics were completely disgusted with even the facilities that passed the risk assessment. The ones that failed were really bad, I'm not even sure I could post those pics on XDA. Pretty much nasty, unsanitary conditions with child laborers that appear to be severely malnourished, open and infected sores you'd think they came from some 3rd world mining region and not a rather advanced manufacturing facility

I like to break stuff! :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] ac16313:
Lmfao not trying to be mean but this conversation got me laughing out loud with the pictures posted (x
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
Don't mind me I've been drinking since Friday. Been working on a fraud case that's turned out to be bigger than initially thought I haven't had much sleep in the last 3 weeks :rolleyes:

And I gotta be back at work in 4.5hrs I smell like a old whiskey cask and my head feels like someone beat me with a sledgehammer

I like to break stuff! :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] Ryanman1321:
Sprint sells phones at a loss so that they can make up the funds in plan costs and keep customers apleased, google sells its nexus 7 at a loss because they want people to use / p a y for apps from the Google store. Also they want to be a houshold name like the I pad. N7 is actually a wonderful little device I have both an n7 note 2 and tf700 and the google interface is far superior imo...

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
I have a Cad file I designed and a 3d printer at my disposal, of anybody is at all interested I will post a video and pics when I finish printing it, (Monday?)

Pm me of you are interested

Edit: keep in mind I'm 15 and I'm not perfect, neither is the design. Once this gets printed i will check everything works and modify Anthony i need to
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jshinn1:
Im definitely interested to see it at least sounds cool
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
OK, ill post a pic of the cad file around 230. (That's when I have engineering)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
It would be in black
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ClosedEyesSeeing:
How wide are the limbs of the "X" there? I'd be curious to see how close it comes to the LED light on the back. Pretty nice looking overall though. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
I measured everything and it all checks out but ill double check
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
Print go go go!

then print me up a set of parts so I can build my own 3d printer :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
Just checked and everything should work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ClosedEyesSeeing:
Awesome! Were you planning on selling these or just going for the fun factor of building them with a 3D printer? What type of printer were you planning on using to print it with (RepRap/MakerBot/etc)? Just curious to know a little more. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
I don't know what kind of printer it is but i designed it on auto desk

If my engineering teacher will let me sell them i will
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Antrax:
That looks nice indeed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
If anybody would like a copy of the cad file, pm me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
Sorry it's taking so long to get a copy of this.... It seems as though my engineering teacher "hasn't has the time" to do it. Ill start bugging him about it and get one rolling.

Is anybody still interested?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Flightttt:
I find the case cool :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] simon2k10:
I am defintly
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
I'm trying to work outa deal with my engineering teacher...What are you guys thinking pay for it? I've got no idea How much materials cost at this kinpoint but Just looking fora ballpark estimate
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
my friend and I just bought a 3d Printer but it won't be here until November, if you haven't started producing by then, let me know we can start making them.

To calculate your cost of materials I would print a prototype, before cleaning check the weight of the materials and calculate it from there. your average cost of printing material in both PLA and ABS is approx $25 a KG.

So say the case printed (with print structures included as that's still material used) weighs 30 grams (HIGHLY doubtful it would weigh that much. the note weighs 178grams) your break even cost for printing materials would be 75 cents. If you were to add $2 for your time and the energy used to produce it you'd be making at least a buck take home. Then you have shipping materials, if you plan on sending it in a nice bubble wrapped envelope that's another buck plus shipping cost which wouldn't be more than another buck or so. So in practice I would say if you were to charge $5 you'd take home a buck from each one. I know that isn't a LOT of money, but for $5 I'm sure everyone here would buy one.

--EDIT--

All the prices I gave you were intentionally high. you can get the material for as cheap as $18 a KG retail and if your engineering teacher is purchasing it, the cost of materials would be even less, your weight of your case will probably be half that reducing your cost even further. I'd hazard to guess that your total cost of just the printable material would be in the ballpark of 30c a unit. the rest of that money is all pocket able not to mention because you'll increase the number you produce per roll you're looking at a profit of about $112 and 66 units a KG of material vs $41.25 and 33 units under my previous price points assuming you still sell it at $5 each. NOW all these are ballpark assumptions and I haven't delved in deep with these figures so there are factors I haven't processed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
Thanks a lot! That was very helpful.

I would be very interested in you printing them.

I'm bery hopeful the prototype will get printing tomorrow or Monday.

And I'm very doubtful my engineering teacher Will let me print more than one.

I usually use a case so if somebody autos like to buy the first just express interest.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
Let me talk with my friend, but we might be able to work something out offline if you were able to provide cad models for us to print out based on devices. Also I delved a bit more in the pricing in my previous post based off material costs and other factors and I wouldn't be surprised if your engineering teacher changed his mind if it was lucrative enough.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] uffdapower:
That sounds great. It's in auto desk ".ipt" format and idk how to make it compatible to your printer. But I have access to the Autodesk software at anytime and if you want me to make more for other devices that would be awesome.

Pm me and we could work on some details
[Huawei Ideos X6] alonedroid:
Aben has release an unofficial CM10.

Very Fast smooth and stable.

Factory Reset after first boot for better performance.

Thanks Aben for all of your Contribution

http://d-h.st/GRd
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
Also please add fix provided by aben ...
[Huawei Ideos X6] mattBLK:
thanks for the share

WOW so smooth & tight, snappy quick no reboots so far 4.2.2 i like :D

ultimate X6 rom to date
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
Also flash below posted fix.... its nothing but the gapps

Link
[Huawei Ideos X6] avi_wizard:
Can anyone provide screenshots and what features are present and what are missing?
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
some screen shots and regarding features all except partial camera HDMI and fm. i think wifi tathering too

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[Huawei Ideos X6] avi_wizard:
What does the partial camera mean? Is it working like ICS roms?
[Huawei Ideos X6] mattBLK:
Please fix your link its linking to your post.:)
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
apologies for inconvenience

Link repaired

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partial camera mean like we have in ICS, it can capture Image, but can not ZOOM, can record video but at some fix resolution, can not use as bar code scanner and lab lab lab
[Huawei Ideos X6] GUNDUL46:
All work like ICS.. you can find gapps-jb-20121011 to fix any issues... but why master aben not post again in xda... :D
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
I think he get scared with the question raised by xda members ha ha ha :D:D:D, just kidding
[Huawei Ideos X6] realhuh:
.. well .. huge thanks for our talented developer :D .. cheers
[Huawei Ideos X6] abenagiel:
i haven't time to make a thread on xda,, actually i'm on my resting time after not sleeping for 2 days and also have a lot of job in my office.. :banghead:

i will work on cm10.1 (4.2.2) tomorrow.. :D
[Huawei Ideos X6] rockakhtar:
God bless you sir..

so much thanks
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
thats great that you are starting to bring 4.2.2 for FIH FBO, meanwhile my previous comment was to make smile ...

I am using using 4.2.2 camera, 4.2.2 gmail app, not able to install google music, using 4.2.2 clock app, 4.2.2 launcher etc... getting very nice feel.... but as its a 4.1.2 missing one great feature that is 4.2.2 lockscreen ... as you will be working to get 4.2.2 ... it will be nice to have same..

cheers for your spirit ..:good:
[Huawei Ideos X6] reversegear:
vivek can you share 4.2.2 apps i was able to find out only camera app. that too only photo capture works. unable to open video recording.

omg aben is here hatsoff to you.
[Huawei Ideos X6] vivekb:
Link
[Huawei Ideos X6] GUNDUL46:
Good job sir.... I really happy to hear that..

:thumbup: keep spirit.... jgn lupa ngopi sebelum tidur :D
[Huawei Ideos X6] lalit_3:
Save Space

Moving thread rather starting a new one would save space.....please don't start any more duplicate threads "Thanks"
[Huawei Ideos X6] abenagiel:
its will be taking more longer times,, because 4.1.2 to 4.2.2 has different api,, need to rebuild device config in my source..

keep up the good work om gundul..

#sekalian borong kopi beserta warungnya :D
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mharlan95:
In trying to install a custom bootloader on my Kindle Fire HD 7", I bricked it. When trying to start it normally, it shows "kindle fire" for a few seconds, but then the screen goes black and it becomes totally unresponsive. When I tried booting it with a factory cable, it shows "kindle fire" for a few seconds, and then switches to the "fastboot" logo, but again it is unresponsive. In both cases, my kindle is never found by adb or fastboot or any other utility when connected to my computer. I'm fairly certain this not a driver problem, because my kindle was recognized before, which is how I rooted my kindle. Is there anything else I can try to unbrick my kindle? The main problem is that it is never recognized by my computer. Now what?
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
What custom bootloader did you try to install?
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Krsmqn:
EEK!!!!

Messing with the bootloader on the kfhd is suicide. You may want to think about calling Amazon and see if they will replace it.