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[Xperia Z General] Shasarak:
Well, I very much doubt that anyone actually cares :) but as it's in line with the subject-line of this thread: I've just cancelled my Xperia Z pre-order. :(

This was with a considerable sense of sadness - I was really getting into the idea of being able to use a smartphone in the bath! But sadly, as the reviews keep coming in, the number of question marks just keeps increasing.

The screen: I don't give a f*ck about viewing angles, but the unusually bad black-level is annoying, and the poor colour-accuracy even more so. There's no getting away from the fact that the Xperia's screen oversaturates colours appreciably, even with Bravia turned off (and with it turned on its enough to make my eyes bleed); and the wacky colour temperature pushes greys and whites way a long way towards blue as well. Given how much time I spend watching video on my phone, this is important to me.

The speaker: being partially deaf, the volume of the external speaker is unusually important to me - a notification for a text or an email that is too quiet for me to hear when I don't have my hearing aids in is useless.

Call quality: a couple of reviews have mentioned poor audio quality during calls - in both directions, low volume and slightly distorted sound within the earpiece, and odd sound for the person on the other end too. Again, being partially deaf, I have a particularly strong need for loud, clear audio in calls.

Battery life: while Stamina mode makes for very good battery life in stand-by, several reviews indicate average-to-poor battery life when actually in use.

And there are conflicting reports about the quality of the camera too.

It's been a frustrating experience, not least because the reviews have been so wild contradictory. Plus, how many reviewers complaining about "washed out colours" are simply accustomed to the garish, fluorescent-crayon colours on OLED displays? How many who complain about poor contrast just haven't realised that the background of the UI is actually dark grey and not black? Are complaints about the camera based on zooming all the way into the image, and thus biased against high-megapixel sensors? Are complaints about speaker and in-call audio quality the result of people having dunked the phone in water just prior to the test? Would use of the free Bluetooth speaker Asda was going to give me have compensated for that anyway? And when the supposed "display callibration software" that we've seen a screenshot of arrives - if it ever does - how much dfference will that make to the screen? It's hard to tell; but I can say for certain that at least some of the screen issues are genuine - the poor black-level and blue-push are very obvious when trying out the phone in-store, and colours certainly look iffy; and for the rest, I just don't want to take the chance.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
you can always change your mind and save a couple of hundredths in the process :)
[Xperia Z General] horsetastic:
I think you're spot on here!! And the water resistant/proof-ness of the phone will prove awesome when caught out in the rain after a night out in the UK.....In fact it rains on average between 150-200 days a year in the UK so a phone that you can use outdoors without worrying about it blowing up is an brilliant achievement...I am certainly teetering more towards buying one of these beasts over the HTC One for the same reasons. It's a great phone! Simples!
[Xperia Z General] biffsmash:
I was looking to upgrade to the Xperia but reports of quiet loud speaker and muffled and quiet in call volume, as well as unimpressive camera, touchscreen that doesn't work when wet anyway, dodgy screen, and laggy performance have put me off.

As I was burnt with the xperia x10 and the ps3, both of which are awful, I will have to think very carefully before getting the z.

Loud speaker volume is a must for hearing the phone ring, good camera and loud clear in call volumes are also, aswell as lag free performance.

Can't say I won't get it yet, it might blow me away when I see it, but from reviews alone, the Htc one so far is much better.
[Xperia Z General] lee480:
Loud Speakers - it's louder than the S3.

Cameras - The quality is equivalent or better than the S3.

Wet Screen - There's wet finger tracking iirc

Screen - The screen is beautiful. Just some stupid criticism about viewing angles that a normal human wouldn't get affected.

Lagging - Ohh.. That's a bit too much. Provide me with a source. I used the Xperia Z and there was zero lag. This is pure fabrication.
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
you left out terrible battery life.

I know most phones have give and take, but this phone seems to be all problems...

over than waterproofness, is there anything this phone does better than any ever phone?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Yes, It's good at causing you to lose sleep at night - since you can't live and rest without bashing it every chance you get.
[Xperia Z General] Wh1techapel:
I think the reports of lagging are from people using a model in the phone shop where there are loads of apps open at the same time. I used one in store, after closing all the apps the UI was buttery smooth.

Though, I'm still going for the HTC One.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Objectively? No.

Subjectively? Design maybe?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Summed it up quite nicely.
[Xperia Z General] Wh1techapel:
That's what put me off the XZ, one or two problems I can deal with but their seems to be quite a few issues which have become apparent already.

It's clearly going to be an incredible phone, but not the best.
[Xperia Z General] JamDonot:
Decision made, preorder cancelled. While I liked the look of the phone, the screen was pretty cool, and I like the whole waterproofness and then fact it had expandable memory, but I use my phone a lot using hands free (I drive a lot and don't have a fancy car with bluetooth connectivity), so the reviews that mentioned not great call quality put me off. I always like to be on the bleeding edge of technology, and am an habitual early adopter, but with 3 mega phones being released with a month of each other (HTC one, galaxy s4 and of course the zperia z) I thought it best to wait and see how the three stack up against one another before I make the final decision. I have been caught out before rushing to buy the latest and greatest, (bought a one X just before the s3 was released, ended up buying both, wife not happy)

Still think the xperia z is an awesome phone, even had a good play with one today before I cancelled my order, and the screen is very very good, I was actually surprised at how good.
[Xperia Z General] Wh1techapel:
I think you made the right choice, there is nothing worse than pre-ordering something and then having those niggling doubts.

If I had been paid earlier I would have been in the same situation, as now my mind has changed in favour of the HTC One, although as you mentioned the S4 is also due out soon. It'll no doubt have a bigger screen than on the HTC One, but the PPI will be less for sure.

Ahhh, I'm still not sure!!! :crying:
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
every phone with a 1080p screen has a PPI beyond what you can see, so that should not be a deciding factor unless you just want a phone that has the best spec sheet.
[Xperia Z General] Wh1techapel:
Samsung screens also produce very garish colours, but I know what you mean.

It's nice to have the bragging rights, but it's not a deal breaker for me.

(I also don't brag :P)
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
When I first placed with the Xperia Z I was so excited about the phone, thought yes Its fantastic reviews and that never made me flinch. Come Feb 19th and I played with the HTC one again reviews about camera havent put me off because I have had hands on experience with both phones and I think the cameras are great but the camera on the HTC one imo is better than on the XZ.

Infact after playing with the One the XZ just felt ordinary and it I felt sad that I had to cancel the XZ becuase I was so looking forward to it but for me the things that I will be using the phone for the One is better

Sense UI is more interesting to look at imo

audio much louder, clearer and more bass for those who like bass.

Camera/video is sharper and has better colour accuracy and video audio is better thanks to the dual membrane microphones.

call audio is louder and clearer

Loud speakers are the best I have heard and I am currently using a 5800 which when it came and an now has the best speakers of any phone now the One has beaten it.

Screen may be smaller (due to the fact the phone has stereo speakers on the front) but the screen is much better than on the Z.

I also feel the One actually looks better and feels better to hold aswell.

None of this is to say the Z is rubbish etc just that I think the HTC on features is a better phone, despite not being water/dust proof and not having a micro sd card slot.

Battery life is unknown atm.

As for S4 I know it is going to have good hardware but touchwiz is rather boring tbh and I really havent enjoyed the GS1/2/3 or GN2 so i am not going back to samsung.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Great, unbiased post! Thank you for an objective look at both devices!

One question I had is: You mentioned the screen was smaller on the HTC One. We all know this (4.7 vs 5), but how big of a difference is there really when you take into account the onscreen buttons? Is it 4.7vs5? Or 4.7vs 4.8?

Thank you
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Why cancel the pre order? Don't you have a returns policy where you are. If you don't like it, the return it.

I think a lot of these people wavering are just upset by the realization that they won't have the bragging rights with the Z. Well good luck with the One, hope it works for you but I have a strange feeling you'll regret it.

The one has a needlessly newer cpu which HTC cannot have stress tested properly in such a short space of time. I can Sr all sorts of problems arising with that phone in due course. Just watch
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
What you are forgetting (being here on XDA) is what the developers here can provide for your device.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
I think you just wanted to like the one more because of the spec sheet and so your eyes saw what they wanted to see. Can't still quite believe how a phone can be considered fantastic one minute and then ordinary the next because there's something else available with slightly better specs.

Again I come back to what I said earlier about bragging rights. You don't won't to lose that so your mind's subconsciously trying to make the Z inferior to justify the switch.

I won't lie, the One also made me pause and think but that lasted all of a day and I've now ordered the Z. There'll be things about it I know I won't like but I think I'd regret buying the One.

Just not my cup of tea. Specs or no specs
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
To his credit he was absolutely dead set on the Xperia Z before handling them both. The One probably clicked with him more all around when he played with them both.

I personally don't like the design of the HTC One and i'm absolutely infatuated with the XZ and its design - but am going to have a hands on with both before making my final decision. I feel it's very important to test these expensive ass devices in person.
[Xperia Z General] decentgi:
HTC is a brand i will never go for im not a snob but HTC to me is like target compared to SONY a designer label i dont care what people say you cannot get the build quality in the HTC as you do with SONY.

So if you like the cheaper build over the quality one then go for it HTC wont be around for long.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Disagree.

HTC One is solid.

I'm getting the Z this week, but theres no denying that the HTC One has outstanding build quality and design.
[Xperia Z General] avetny:
I agree with you. I already got Z, but there's no denying that the HTC making nice build quality.
[Xperia Z General] Liam0100:
I pre-ordered with Phones4U and I'm having second thoughts, I really want to check it out, but Phones4U say I can return within '7 days of receipt' does that mean 7 days from when I receive it? Or 7 days from when they send it?

I'm no where near a store, so I can't just go in store, sadly
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Yes from receiving it as you'll sign for it. Though 7 days is tripe.
[Xperia Z General] RadarZgin:
BATTLE :))

HTC One VS Sony Xperia Z

processor: htc wins

( no more explanation )

camera: Sony wins

( I think xperia z has superior cam, 4mp with ultrapixel tech is not that

appealing for customers and htc says its 300% better, so if we do simple math

4x3=12mp camera, xperia z has 13mp )

Design: Sony wins

(very elegant design, Glass! glass everywhere!, though htc one has also have a very elegant design,

it somewhat look like an iPhone 5, which is not that unique)

UI: Htc wins

( i think they have a very cool launcher, though Sony has a good UI

but its soo traditional (comparing to their Ancentors) and its not that unique as the HTC one, though i love how Xperia

Icon looks)

Display: Htc wins

(higher PPI, though i love bravia engine,

but it can be ported to any android phones

like Htc One)

Durability: Sony wins

(dust resistant, waterproof, though they say its shatter proof, i dont

believe that, its like how samsung says the Gorilla Glass, but i guess

ill wait for the drop tests)

Memory: Htc wins

( Xperia Z has internal of 16gb + 32gb SDcard Slot which is 48gb,

while Htc One has 64gb)

Sound: Htc wins

( it has beats? haha, its louder according to specs )

Support: Sony wins

( sony has a little good support on their devices that's why its was choosen by XDA as a great suppoter of the year :D,

plus Htc is not that good on support not to mention S-off )

Gueass What? HTC wins!

well for now, im a modder, i modd my android phone

and HTC is not that good for Modding cuz of S-off

and bootloader is one of my components on buying android phones

final words: im looking to buy Xperia Z cuz samsung is too mainstream! just kiddin` im a XperiaBoy! :D
[Xperia Z General] :
Z takes 64 gig cards so no Sony wins in that area.
[Xperia Z General] RadarZgin:
http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-z/specifications/#tabs
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Sense UI is nice. But its a hog. I prefer the near stock experience on the Z. Plus Sense slows down updates.

Sony Wins.
[Xperia Z General] :
Yep but format the card in side the phone and see what happens ;)
[Xperia Z General] kakkaroto:
If the HTC One had a memory card slot then I probably would've had a hard time deciding but as it stands the Xperia Z just ticks more boxes for me (potentially better dev support and lower impacting ui being the main 2).

The way I see it the CPU difference will only be apparent in benchmarks and the One's new camera technology seems more gimmicky then anything else.

Plus it doesn't help that the One basically looks like the new blackberry Z10.
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
One 64Gb is only for the USA apparently so no competition in terms of storage.

Also people are saying the build quality is great, lol, how many of you held it?
[Xperia Z General] arcwindz:
It'd be great for sure, it's a metal uni-body afterall

though i have to say that i hate it since it's very prone to scratches which will force you to put some sort of protection on it
[Xperia Z General] Timaustin2000:
I'm going to disagree on the audio: Beats is over-rated. All it does is artificially crank up the base and change the equaliser settings - it's unnatural and makes mincemeat of anything but heavy R&B or techno music, for which it is, admittedly, well suited. Not only is Sony winning plaudits for the audio quality of the XZ through headphones but, as an Xperia S owner, I can testify to the fantastic quality of music that Sony phones produce.

And if you want Beats-like equaliser settings, just flick the EQ on the Z to "Unique" - it does exactly the same thing.

Might there be some space to say that sound from the One may be louder? Possibly. But how much will that extra amplification affect battery?
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
according to whathifi the sound quality of the XZ is very good, so we have to wait unil they review the HO to see who takes the crown in the sound department. Personly I like clean sound better than the muffeld bas/mids biased sound of beats but I'm to old for the beats generation so it could be a generation isue :)

http://www.whathifi.com/review/sony-xperia-z
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Just confirmed, I will receive my XZ tomorrow morning :)
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Where are you from and where did you pre ordered?
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Lucky you, I've got to wait an extra day! :(
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Same here. These final 36 hours are going to be excruciating.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
I have to wait till 07 March.. :(
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
did you order the purple one?
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Tell me about it! I'm not one to wish time away, but...
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Actually, the HTC One has built in amps. So, all other things being the same, the HTC One will have superior sound.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
that depends on the amp :)
[Xperia Z General] Timaustin2000:
It depends on whether all other things are the same!

As I say, Beats audio is sh*te. Now, you CAN turn it off (woo hoo!) but you'll be missing out on ClearAudio+ and headphone surround sound (which is ace - chuck your music onto "studio" setting and it's sublime,... unless you're listening to classical music. In which case, chuck it onto "Concert Hall"!)

There's more to the Walkman app than simply "playing" an MP3. This is one of the areas that Sony always nails.

Oh, and I understand that the HTC music app doesn't have a graphic equaliser. Though I may be wrong.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
HTC phones have gone back to the sensation XE/XL days, they don't have any equalizers just beats on or off.

I wish they made it like the one s/x last hyear when you had beats plus others aswell and you could also select headphone type.

Saying that I still feel with beats off that the one has better audio than the z
[Xperia Z General] Timaustin2000:
With the greatest of respect, I understand that you spent 1/2 an hour with the One and the Z but I'm not sure you'll have had enough time with both to say so conclusively. While I get that the One has an amplifier and the Z does not, and a louder sound will always sound "punchier", there's more to music than volume.

My Xperia S isn't the loudest headphone experience ever but it's up there with the best. Having listened to a One X playing music and compared the two at quite some length with identical music on both, I can say with absolute resolve that the Sony sounded better, even though it was quieter.

What I WOULD say is that Headphone Surround Sound really IS something special, and I'd be sad to loose it if I traded my Z for a One. Playing classical music in Concert Hall Mode is breathtaking.

With this in mind, I'll not make concrete opinions on the audio between the Z and the One until I've done a good, thorough test.

All the best :)
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
I agree, and I'm pretty sure Sony has quite a bit of experience in music quality, like you say there's more to music than volume.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
U know that the HTC One X and the Xperia S have different dacs?

In the case of the HTC One and the Xperia S, most likely the Dacs should be the same, and therefore quality should be identical, save for the AMP on the HTC One.

As far as equalizers go, there are a multitude of music players available that are most likely superior.

But hey... keep telling yourself that the Xperia Z is better :)
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I admire your dedication
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Keep telling yourself that the HTC One is better.

It's all a matter of OPINIONS....

Like "Timaustin2000" said before, louder volume doesn't have to mean that something is 'punchier'. If that's so for him, heck! then let him be.

It's like comparing yourself to an athlete for example that does the 100m below 10 sec, he might (most likely) be better then you at that discipline and you might be better at something else....

Aka it's all about opinions.

(Just accept the fact that he thinks that the Z is better for him)
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Your comparison inst valid.

In the case of the HTC One and the Z, the hardware is the EXACT SAME save for the amp.

In the case me me vers a professional athlete, the "hardware" is quite obviously different...
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
What are you doing here? You are clearly not getting the Z, so why don't you just move over to the HTC One forum? Do you love arguing?
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
So you only want Yes men?

I'm here to voice a dissenting view. That is a good thing not a bad thing like everyone thinks.

I want Sony to make a great device, as it would be better for all Android users.

Want to know what is bad? Sony making a substandard "flagship" and having it sell well. it tells Sony that they can make a product that is inferior and people will still gobble it up.

They dont have an incentive to improve...
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Yes they are both phone.

1 has a 4.7" screen and the other a 5"

One has an SD/Micro card slot, one doesn't.

So hardware the same?? NO!

Yes you're both humans (In most cases all of our hardware IS the same, unless you're born with a handicap)

The main difference between you and the athlete is that he trained to become what he is and you didn't. But from the inside we're 99% the same.

That 99% is more then I would get when comparing the XZ's hardware vs the HTC One.:angel:
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I agree with this I mean just look at apple, the iphone 5 hasnt changed much since the iphone 4 yet it is still selling in its millions.

Also ftr htc should add a micro sd card slot to their flagship phones in the uk as most would prefer that.

With sony I feel their audio could be louder.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
You have opened my eyes, I will cancel my pre order. I will order a HTC one as it is as perfect as a Dimond. Or maybe it's better to wait for the s4 because it might make the one as worthless as scrap metal.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Now, now. Some people clearly have have a personal problem with the Xperia Z. And given it's launch day, it must be painful for them seeing so many being bought and admired - so depressed they are that they have nothing better to do than to argue about something they'll have absolutely nothing to do with on an internet forum.

It's okay, let them get it out of their system. It's been a tough time for them. Maybe, just maybe they'll be able to sleep better at night.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Didn't know we were having a competition here of who has a better phone
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Jayman: Maedhros is clearly trying to compensate for something.

He is also the god almighty with all the answers. He works at both Sony and HTC (and at Samsung in the weekends). Do not argue with him, i repeat, do not argue with him.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Man... and to think, people used to complain about HTC Fan boys.

It seems as it is now Sony Fan boys who refuse to listen to valid criticism and can only respond by making personal insults.

I didn't realize ppl on XDA were still in high school :)
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Every company, celebrity, ect. Has their own loyal fan base.

I don't think a Lady Gaga fan would take kindly to criticism of their 'idol'.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
I'm no fanboy, but if i have to choose, i'm leaning towards Samsung, or.. i did. I'm thinking about converting to the religion of O Holy Sony (sounds nice doesn't it?)

But fanboys aren't the problem here.. or maybe a little. The problem is you trying to dictate what's best between the Z and the One. You don't even own the Z, and the One isn't even on sale yet. Do you see the problem? You don't see me over at the HTC One forum crying and screaming that the Z is better than the One. You don't see me running in a mosque screaming "Jesus is da maaan!".

We don't care if the One is the "best" one. We are here because we want the Z, and we are discussing the Z. Not the One. If you want to discuss the One, then go to the right forum section. That is all.