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[HTC Amaze 4G] jtkknj:
Can you explain?
[HTC Amaze 4G] aj_2423:
Because with aroma installer you can't just flash the .zip and go. When u flash the .zip it opens up a program that allows you to make certain selections of what you want installed with the Rom. Since you can't see the recovery, you can't go through the installer to actually finish flashing.

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[HTC Amaze 4G] Double0EK:
Exactly what AJ said.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Too many damn reboots!

Even on 4.2.2

Only good thing is the incredible ipad beating resolution.

So whats the next best tablet over this nexus 10?I'm in the market to buy like today!
[Nexus 10 General] omac_ranger:
Cya. I'll let you know how Ubuntu is, and you can sit behind from another 10" tablet and receive all of the future android updates 3 months behind, or a month later and half baked.
[Nexus 10 General] malctron:
I wouldn't normally agree with a comment like above but as I have a nexus 10 I totally agree he he sorry
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
Does there really need to be another post on the front page about someone else returning their N10? Why not just post in the other "I'm done with this tablet and am returning it/selling it" thread?

As for me, still loving my Nexus 10, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Ubuntu works on it.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
The Xperia Z or Samsung's version of the N10. The former is ultra-thin but only has a 6,000 mAh battery. It runs S4 Pro which is incredibly efficient so it's too early to say whether or not battery size will be an issue. The latter could be a good choice if in the version of the N10 Samsung sells directly they address the display and QC issues the N10's been experiencing. TW/JB on the Note 10.1 has been issue free unlike what people have been experiencing with AOSP 4.2 on the N10. MWC is next week and more info on the release of both tablets should be available.
[Nexus 10 General] atg284:
I'm waiting to see what comes out at MWC. Id rather have a nexus just for the pure android but I have decided NOT to try another N10. I don't think they will fix the problems on this one. Sure some get 'good' ones but that seems rare. If nothing comparable comes out soon I will just wait until the next iteration of the nexus 10. But I will only buy in a retail(google) store. Never again Play Store.

My household does not have an ounce of apple (by choice) so ipad out of the question ;)
[Nexus 10 General] EasyE75:
Same here my friend. Never had a single issue with mine. Loving it.
[Nexus 10 General] Jotokun:
The Nexus 10 was made for those who like to tinker. And as such, the reboots aren't as big a problem as they would be on other devices since they're easily solved by flashing a custom rom.

If you want something working flawless out of the box and dont see an issue with a walled garden, get an iPad. If you can put up with manufacture skins and a lack of speedy updates, get a Note 10.1. If you want to play russian roulette with your build quality, get a Transformer TF700. If you dont care about vast application support, get a Surface. If none of those sound appealing, give up on tablets.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
not sure about all this unbuntu hype. so waht apps and stuff they have for it?

yes

As for me, still loving my Nexus 10, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Ubuntu works on it.[/QUOTE]

thanks for a sensible response!!!

yeah some are happy

but its a full blown known issues that reboots happen to many many many owners

its a problem that google is simply overlooking!!!
[Nexus 10 General] derrick603:
Maybe something's wrong with your tablet? I used to get at least one reboot per day on 4.2.1, but haven't had any on 4.2.2 (received it on 2/14), and I haven't seen many many many owners complaining of reboots after the latest update.
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
Bought it a month ago to this day.. Still waiting for my first reboot.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
You obviously haven't read the reboot thread then, smh
[Nexus 10 General] Jms122589:
Used to have reboots all the time on 4.2.1... been pretty solid since 4.2.2... Wi-Fi drops like crazy tho on stock. I feel like when I was on cm10.1 Wi-Fi was generally solid so I'm thinking it's a combo of software and my schools some wat dodgy Wi-Fi... My iPad never experienced Wi-Fi issues that my android devices have here on campus but... That's the only good thing about those :rolleyes:
[Nexus 10 General] derrick603:
That's unfortunate, I wonder what they're doing differently from those who are seeing a massive improvement in reboots and crashes with 4.2.2.
[Nexus 10 General] Eddog4DROID:
Even with rebooting this is the best tablet out.
[Nexus 10 General] Techie2012:
I agree. I had many reboots prior to 4.2.2 but after the update I had zero reboots so far. Maybe something wrong with your unit or you got some bad **** installed in it.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
so everybody was experiencing reboots on 4.2.1,and nobody says its hardware. now 4.2.2 comes out and a few people reboots stop so NOW its a hardware problem? really?

definitely isnt apps, i basically run the same apps on my tablet that i run on my phone. phone has YET to reboot once. If an app is bad and causes a crash (i guess because of its code) it will crash on any device running the same android version right? because its an app problem and not hardware...

for example, list 5 android apps that are KNOWN without a doubt to cause a reboot

please dont say chrome because it only crashes on the nexus 10

in fact, list ONE bad **** app as you say that will cause a reboot across any android device...

P.S. i think that an app causing a device to reboot is still the fault of an OS. i mean why reboot the whole device? why not jus crash the faulty app instead?
[Nexus 10 General] derrick603:
Well, I guess I spoke too soon (or jinxed myself) but I got my first post-update reboot this morning. Once per week is still much better than at least one per day, but there's still work to do it seems.
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
Or, maybe it's the thing that the software communicates with to interact with hardware (drivers)?

Lets say I have a desktop. I run a 3D-intensive app on it. My computer locks up and reboots. The app can be coded to be 100% perfect, and the hardware can be 100% flawless, but if the driver is flawed, then it wouldn't matter how perfect the software and hardware is.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
well cool but that still eliminates the app as being the culprit of reboots as a lot of people like to suggest

so thats still an OS problem and not hardware. which means useless to send in back because i have a "bad unit"

still waiting on people to tell me apps that will get me a reboot
[Nexus 10 General] XxsydenxX:
I can honestly say I havent once had a reboot and ive had mine for about 4 weeks now.

Then again i got one with no light bleed at all either...
[Nexus 10 General] lKBZl:
Same, I have mine since November 20 or so.
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
Here is the thing with handhelds..

No matter how small, how fancy, what OS... The OS will only run as good as the programs you choose to run with it.

Windows by itself is a fantastic operating system.. Windows with 3rd rate applications can be a nightmare. The open nature of Android is a blessing and a curse.. I've often called the Play Store the best way to shop at a flea market without actually going to one. Every app is "The #1 _____ app on the market".. Everyone.. EVERY-ONE is trying to convince you whatever it is they are selling is the best.. And even the ones who don't appear to be selling you anything.. They will be... They will be.. My app list is small. There are popular apps out there that have half a million downloads that I will flat out refuse to ever let be on my device to this day because I know they cause absolutely nothing but problems. The reboot problem.. I'm by no means trying to discredit peoples problems with reboots... But it's hard to blame purely the OS and the device when there is no one vetting what is allowed to be installed along side, and working with that operating system. Just because it's "t3h Google' and it's a handheld doesn't mean you should be any less cautious and trusting about what you install on it then you do Windows or even Linux... Contrary to popular belief there are a ton of god awful, terribly written Linux apps that can make Debian stable seem unstable. Just because you run the same apps on phone A. and it's stable doesn't mean the same apps on phone B. will also be stable. Buying a Nexus device is also a gift, and a curse.. While we do get bleeding edge releases... The overwelming majority of mobile devices are 2-3 versions behind you, and so are the people writing the applications.
[Nexus 10 General] derrick603:
Yes, no userland app should be able to bring down the whole system.

It's still possible that in some cases it's a hardware issue. Even a perfect OS can crash if hardware is suspect, and since this is the first released version of A15 cores and Mali T-604, it's possible that some are bad. I would also suspect the GPU drivers could use some work since the T-604 is a new architecture.

If an app triggers a reboot, then the app is hitting a fault in the OS.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
so is it the app fault or the OS ?

but again, name some apps i can install right now and it will give me a reboot
[Nexus 10 General] derrick603:
It says so right there in your quote, it's a fault in the OS. :)
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
Round and round we go... There already threads for this. Why did you start another?
[Nexus 10 General] sus4ntoh:
I wonder if it has anything to do with existing apps that are installed on some of your N10s. Granted I only have mine for 3 days but so far no random reboots (knock on wood). I upgraded to 4.2.2 almost right after I open it.

So far I am OK with it. I have trouble where the auto brightness keeps going up and down on me whenever I type or scrolling up and down in portrait mode but once I get used to use the landscape mode... I am OK with it.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
So had 130 or so hours uptime, decided to get brave and install a bunch of apps. Tablet rebooted twice in 20 minutes, coincidence? Just gotta find the bad one or two or .....
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Please let me know what bad apps you find

I use basically same apps on my phone and no reboots,so not really buying its an app problem.even if its app whole tablet should not reboot
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Agreed....but same thing happened with cm10.1 ran fine until I started installing stuff.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
4 for 4 this am locking up tablet with this method.

Box installed but not logged in.

Astro file manager installed.

Launch Astro and have it try to connect to box. My tablet freezes 4/4 this am. No reboots though, it just freezes. I have to hold power button to reboot.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Yeah freezes just as bad

You still on cm10.1?
[Nexus 10 General] Rodeojones:
Did we really need another one of these threads? Seriously, what's the point except to start an argument? You don't like you Nexus 10. I love mine. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. We're all entitled to our own opinions. These threads are a waste of space and I'm sorry I got baited into replying.
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
No. I reflashed stock 4.2.2 last night.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
I didnt ask you or anybody to convince me,i already stated i decided to get rid of tablet

Point of post was to ask about tablets comparable to the nexus 10 as stated

As soon as i get best suggestion,this nexus going on ebay/craigslist

Dang,i was trying diff nightly roms to see if somebody could find a fix google cant,then wondered if stock could be the answer.but i see no dice

(I was getting reboots out the box with 4.2.1,went custom rom to see if could fix,again no dice...)
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Are you saying this froze yours too? I left it for 20-30 minutes and came back to lock screen but background was completely black. It sluggishly unlocked to box logon screen but bottom navigation bar was gone. One of those apps or the combo is not compatible with my tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Most time it will freeze then reboot on its own

Yesterday it froze trying to sign in to a hotspot,had to manually reboot

But theres no one thing or app using that causes reboot. Normally each reboot im doing something new,smh
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Yes, this is the first time I can duplicate it. However, it is different since it doesn't reboot.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
But a frozen nexus 10 sucks lol
[Nexus 10 General] sus4ntoh:
Is it possible that you have a lemon? If it reboots straight out of the box with 4.2.1, there must be something wrong with the hardware itself. I am trying really hard to love android since I like the freedom of what I can or cannot do instead of being dictated but all these flakiness and inconsistencies of Nexus devices are making myself wonder if I made the right choice.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Yes possible

Called Google today

They are sending me a new one, and then I can return this rebooting one

So guess we can close this thread until my replacement comes
[Nexus 10 General] ayman07:
At one point I was getting between 5 to 10 reboots a day. I ended up getting 4 replacement units. I am on 4.2.2 and this one still reboots. It rebooted 5 min prior to posting this. But it is a lot better, just not perfect. I can see why OP is frustrated.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
All 4 units had the reboot problem?
[Nexus 10 General] ayman07:
Yes. Each. Some worse than others.
[Nexus 10 General] meletios:
Must say after 4.2.2...did not have any reboots. As far as my tablet goes it's sorted, no issues now.

will skip the next generation which might announced in MWC though..

---------- Post added at 12:15 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:08 AM ----------

Just a piece of advise,

Strictly dont accept any nexus if any of the seals are broken as the local units always maintain a backup stock which is different from normal stock u see on play store website and sometimes a replacement device for one customer may be the return from another, not always but stocks can get mixed up...

..dont worry if you u already knew..:)
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
thanks for tip
[Nexus 10 General] rxnelson:
Keep me updated. I'm gonna call tonight or tomorrow. We can compare when they come in.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Will do!

only thing wrong with my current one is the reboots, i dont have light bleed.

i will be blown if i receive a tablet that no longer randomly reboots, but has light bleed!!

also, is there a way to check the build version? like to determine a how a batch the tablet was in when manufactured?

i dont want a first day release tablet
[Nexus 10 General] sus4ntoh:
Good luck. I have seen it on other posts on how you can determine which version you are getting by looking at the serial number. First version starts with R32C then the next one is R32D.
[Nexus 10 General] planet_x69:
I would have to say that if 4 devices are rebooting that it's likely an application issue and not the device itself.

I have had several apps - usually games that utterly fail and crap out the device. After removing them, problem solved.

I also don't run any funky builds or launchers and have never had any issues with my device. I suspect the vast majority of device owners are happy and have few if any problems.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Seriously doubt its an app issue

Esp like in my case i run same apps on both tablet and phone

I dont have any games installed

I run mainstream apps that are common

Im sure its either an OS are actual hardware issue

Still no one can tell me a few apps that guarantee reboots
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Hello, sorry if this has already been mentioned. Are you restoring the apps/data you have on your phone into your N10, assuming you are rooted. Things go buggy when that happens.
[Nexus 10 General] robrob777:
I had 1 reboot in 1 month.
[Nexus 10 General] Bataga:
Ha ha, no reboots here.....ever on any ROM. You were a baby on the note 717 forums too so I don't expect any less
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Restoring system data i can understand

but has there been any real proof that restoring app data to the same OS(say you have 4.2.2,then u factory reset,and just start clean again on 4.2.2) has actually cause problems of instability?
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
no reboots well great for you

but you dont have to listen to a thing I say because if you just READ here and on google forums its a known issue that rebooting is a problem,even after 4.2.2.

so whats your point here buddy?
[Nexus 10 General] tbis:
Try this ROM i use to have reboots constantly.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2161328
[Nexus 10 General] rican408:
Must be hardware cuz I have not had a single random reboot... I seriously can't just be lucky. Every device I get is perfect....
[Nexus 10 General] adamantypants:
I get at least one reboot a day. I'm on different roms a lot too, usually stock kernel. It doesn't really bother me though.
[Nexus 10 General] chefdave12118:
I've never had a reboot. When does it normally happen?
[Nexus 10 General] meletios:
Have you tried tricks mentioned elsewhere..like disabling current background sync, facebook etc...if not may be worth trying
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
I tried it all. Pointless now though. Already RMA'd it and new one should arrive monday according to tracking info so we'll see
[Nexus 10 General] killerapl:
So you should change the title of the posting since you're not done with it :)
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
To be fair, its pretty safe to assume he won't like his replacement unit either! :good:
[Nexus 10 General] daralph:
AW: I'm done with this tablet, about to put on ebay

For all you having reboots, try backing up your n10, clean flash Paranoidandroid with Francos r7. Hadn't had a single reboot in like 2 months..

I really doubt it's faulty hardware.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
What's that supposed to mean

If not hardware, then what you think the problem is exactly? I had reboots right out the box.
[Nexus 10 General] atg284:
I'm not sure if he is trying to rustle your jimmies or not but in all likelihood there will be probs with your replacement. It just seems so hard to get a good one. Just run it through the gauntlet before the 15 days are up.
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
This is actually the WRONG way to go about "fixing" a problem. I haven't had a reboot since I bought it over a month ago and have used three different ROMs (including completely stock). If you're having reboot issues you debug the problem with stock ROM, stock kernel, and market apps. Not throwing completely customized ROMs and kernels at the problem. That doesn't even make any sense.
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
1) debug the stock rom how? thats pretty vague. and if you're suggesting loading on market apps 1 by 1 ,waiting a day for a reboot by that app, could take over a year to debug if you have 180 or more apps like I do

2) why does using customized roms not make any sense? it makes plenty sense. esp if you use popular roms. why? because those roms are "customized" to give you a better user experience. And for problems, most times you dont have to fix on your own. All you do is keep the latest rom flashed and most fixes are already in there from other people reporting problems and advanced people "dev" who most likely know a lot more about the internal workings of Android that most users dont
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
Ya know.. Before I was almost certain, now I'm positively certain that no matter what people say that are trying to help you, you will dismiss it regardless because you have this preconceived notion and idea in your head that you are 100% right and it is completely unfathomable you could possibly be wrong. You are completely dismissive of any idea or logic that isn't lined up with your own. You created this thread for attention and `help' but you really don't want either, you want a soap box and nothing more..
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
why? simply because i dont agree with you?

obviously the person you quoted doesnt agree with you since you told him he was wrong for suggesting a custom rom

i never said i was 100% right, i simply had disagreed on your statement about roms. but i guess you're 100% right then though huh?

unfathomable I could be wrong? what a reach! simply saying its possible for a custom rom to possibly fix reboots and other problems, get a grip

he actually posts a reply that I think could be helpful in stopping reboots,but you come in and say its a horrible idea. but yeah I'M the one you claim who doesnt want help?????? smh

i actually posted some good questions in my reply, which obviously has stumped you, that you have to resort to a silly statement that I think im always right

stick to the topic and keep your personal opinions about me to yourself, or just leave the topic. that would be best helpful
[Nexus 10 General] bkmaracas:
No one mentions 'safe mode' ... Just Long press on the on screen power off button. Disables 3rd party apps, and can be a great quick painless way to see how the thing reacts and troubleshoot if an app is causing issues. If it still reboots then u have a bad issue.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
Exactly how do you troubleshoot in safe mode? Thought that just runs the core apps.

Please elaborate on how to find an app that potentially causes a reboot?
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
ok just got a "new" R32D

current one is a R32C

does anybody with R32D currently have reboots?
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
** edit **

combined this post with the above
[Nexus 10 General] killerapl:
Heard the R32D's have the worst light bleed and back creak noise. Is yours ok'
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
yeah i read that too

maybe im not really keen on the light bleed stuff but i cant tell if its bleeding or not

i put both of them side by side (r32c next to r32d) and i cant tell the difference on a black screen

i "guess" its a lil light in areas but it doesnt bother me at all. certaintly not enough for me to claim light bleed

no back creak noise that I can tell either, seems strong and sturdy
[Nexus 10 General] Jadefalkon:
I have a R32D purchased from a local Staples and tested over the weekend and it has not rebooted, also very little light bleed on the right side very close to the edge so it doesn't affect anything and no creaking. Im glad I didn't give up this is the best unit I've had so far.
[Nexus 10 General] bkmaracas:
Safe mode helps you to troubleshoot by confirming whether or not a 3rd party app is the problem. This can save a lot of guesswork, then you can focus on the right areas to actually locate the problem. Plus its a quick way to see how tab should behave under optimal conditions. Its helpful, as opposed to not helpful.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 10 General] SayWhat10:
yeah,i get that its "helpful",but you neither havent explained HOW to confirm whether a 3rd party app or not is the problem. I mean go to safe mode then what? nobody has elaborated. is it the method that I said may take up to a whole year?
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
I was hoping that you'd leave this forum and go and moan about a different device elsewhere, however you recent posts are actually pretty funny. :good:

Can you list all of the 180 apps you need to have installed? I suppose others could then check the list and inform you if they think the app is likely to be problematic? Though personally I only want you to post a list as that's likely to be pretty funny too! :cyclops: