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[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
It wasnt that bad, i tried the purple flower photo, live wall papers, the ONE X had a very slight edge, but without it the screen still looked ok,

the ONe is 13mm thick in the centre and 3-4mm thick on the edges due to its curve, similar to the one X but slimmer on the edges so its fits better in the hand, the Zs 5 inch screen is drawing me in though i dont see it would make much of a difference besides in videos and photos due to on screen buttons,

I think i just got paranoid about the screen before and so much negativity, but it wasnt that bad, sometimes i carry headphones, sometimes i dont and its just loudspeaker all the way,

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I havent felt the ONE in my hand, but both UIs look ok, also i am upset sony used some really dull colours on their UI which partly caused the XZ screen controversy, ultimately i still feel the ONE X had a slight edge on the screen, colour reproduction and saturation etc, the black levels on the x were ok and bearable, looked similar to the one x,

Personally i think if i had the XZ i may change knowing the screen could be improved, not saying its BAD!, just could be better, as i have seen wat the butterfly is capable of, also it had a sole loudspeaker, Bravia engine is great for videos though but i have tried clear audio on the Xperia T updated to Jelly bean and honestly with it on it made a slight difference, but beats audio is so much better and louder,

i probably would end up keeping the ONE longer, simply because if i didnt buy either of the two, then i would just keep my one x, besides the battery life, i think 1600 MAH and the tegra 3 **** chips, krait is so much better, i cant fault it, its works fine, does what i need for now, so i wouldnt mind keeping the one x a year longer, but im upgrading soley for battery life and more efficiency.

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I agree, i tested my brothers Xperia T walkman app after he updated to JB, i noticed they have the clearaudio + in the settings like the XZ, i tried it, it did sound a bit clearer but it was no louder, and it felt like the bass was compromised a little,

My ONE X still sounded a lot better with just the stock version of beats audio, i really thought the clear audio + would be good as i have a sony walkman NWZ-A826 and the clear stereo, clearbass etc on that is amazing,
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
That's nice. Both are great phones with the HTC One being technically better - but personally, i find the XZ more beautiful and alluring.

Will have to use both to make a decision!
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
TO VIPER

I remember the awesome things you posted in the sensation section, everybody would be happy to have you hear:D

My biggest problem with Htc these days is that they lock there boot loaders so good its like impossible to s-off..

I'm a long time Htc fan (g1 -> hero -> sensation -> one x). But their support only got worse.

I've heard very positive things about Sony and they seem way more open to the dev community (Source released before device :o)

bottom line, i'm 100% going for the xz, even tho the htc screen might be better.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Actually it's really easy to unlock the HTC bootloader now - that too officially from HTCdev.com - provided that it's an unlocked, unbranded phone. It's not the pain in the ass the Sensation was.

What was slow was HTC releasing it's sources.
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
You still need to flash kernel seperatly, and some other stuff can't be done without s-off.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
That's what I thought! People over reacted due to not so great viewing angles in combination with a greyish theme colors...

It's a pretty impressive screen...just not the best that money can buy ;)

The one is 9.3mm on the center and 4mm on the side. The Z is 7.9mm. The One may adjust in your hand but it's a lot more tick in your pocket!

About the speaker...It can be weaker but Sony is offering those Wifi speakers with NFC...which are pretty small. Just use one of those :D

We don't know how battery will really be in both phones but I suspect the XZ will be better with Stamina.

In the end it's all about personal taste...Which features are more important to you and which phone would make you happier to hold and use! ;)
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
That was one neat phone,

To be honest guys, both these phones are very great, the ONE is Amazing and the Z is Alluring,

ahh they do lock their bootloaders, though to be fair the krait ones are more explotable to S-off, they have already s-offed the butterfly :D

reasons i would buy the Z, texting in the shower, or in rain or whatever the weather, show off its waterproof capabilities, free headphones,

bigger screen for videos,)

reasons i would buy the ONE is better speakers my mrs rings me often and sometimes i prefer to stick it on loudspeaker and video call when im alone, (i'm only 23 and recently married so give me a break am loved up for the first few years :p).

Beats audio really does enhance the bass and clearness of music,

the screen altough its a very small improvement ont he one x, having a sharper more vibrant screen with the dual front speakers, would certainly help, i for one hold the phone very close to my face at night and find it very comfortable for HD movies, it would be nice to cuddle up and share it with the MRs, thats where viewing angles come in handy for me,

Either way guys by the end of the month i will have made my decision,

whether i choose the Z or the ONE, i will be looking to keep the device for a very long time,

for the Sensation i created its S -Off , super cid,noob guide and we found a way to S-ON again :D and also my viperglass theme, i want to get back into theming my UI over the summer, maybe even get rid of Sony's drab UI and include some high red icons, and colours if i go for the Z, but i do like to take it one step further and make it truly mine

I am very glad you made me feel welcome, was already feeling awful about the screen discussion thread which is why i asked kangi to just close it as it was more trouble than it is worth, i will keep in touch with the forum, and keep an eye on my sig, my decision will be on there.

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yh i meant 9.3, dunno where the F i got 13 from,

man if i had the money i would buy both :D

F Sake, i hate HTC and SONY for doing this,

ive still kept my pre order and will decide over the coming days

the screen is impressive and very sharp, i think i will go and take another look at the XZ,

just the colours were not really inspiring on the screen as they were on my existing device,

What made it even worse was they put a stupid iphone 5 next to the Z stand, and man the iphone 5 screen just smoked the Z, after looking at that i walked out unhappy still

my only gripe with the ONE is, i already have a 4.7 inch and im updating to another 4.7 inch :eek: but is supposed to be more vibrant, sharper and better,

anybody who says you cannto see pixels at 312 ppi, seriosuly get an eye test,

im blind with astigmatism and i can still see the pixels at times even with corrective lens on,

EDIT: the ONE also does have LTE

Speed	HSPA+; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps DL
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
I read about it but I am not naive enough to take everything HTC says at face value, especially since it is their goal to sell you on the design. Too bad more consumers are not smart enough to do the same, that way Apple would not be so big.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
It's a though choice I can understand you! I must admit that I shacked today with the One and started to doubt about my choice and my pre-order...

But in the end the Z fits me better and I do want the waterproof feature: D

I know they both have 4.7" but they are totally different and you will notice it if you go with the One.

I personally think this time Sony is making much more effort and will be faster in updates...partially because they don't do a lot of customizations! And for me it's a +1 ;)

I already have flipboard :p

And I forgot to mention...

Clove has already listed the HTC One with no 4G references. And if it's true...it's a down point!!!
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
There is no way you can give the controls to the HTC One. The power button is on the top left corner and the phone is super tall. The Xperia Z power button is right where your thumb is during the most natural grip. Also, the home button on the Xperia Z is in the center like it should be since that is where your thumb is when you are swiping left and right on the touch screen.

HTC is absolutely retarded when it comes to control and ergonomics and nothing has changed.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Definitely SONY upped the Ante and i have no idea what to choose, im sure i would notice it on the ONE,

im not sure whether to upgrade to either of them or keep the one X.

the camera on the one seems intriguing with its editing features but Superior Auto is great

im a fan of walkman clear audio technologies but beats audio sounds superior

both the designs are great, but sony's glass panels are a fingerprint magnet nd i saw that in store today.

partly why i couldnt tell the difference between the one x and the z so many people left smudges and the phones was locked down.

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THAT DID cross my mind, i would have preferred the button on the right, what possed them to put it there, no Fkin idea....not really a major issue for me, im just thinking about the lack of SD card...
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
The toggles in the notification bar is huge, it makes it so much nicer than digging through the settings menu and yes I agree that the mini apps is a great way to multitask.

HTC does have the coolest clock, flashlight, and weather widget though. the flashlight app on my HTC 8x is surprisingly awesome.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Same here i liked the small apps on my brothers T when i saw them in December i was like WOWWWWW

man i need help deciding, the more i look at both phones the more confused i get!

can someone answer this, when we flash roms on the Z, are the roms flashed through clockwork on Xperia, and if so are the files in the zip apk?
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
Yes they are.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
The Dealbreaker on the Z, screen could have been improved, also the snapdragon 600 is much more efficient and faster

dealbreaker on the ONE, no SD card, same screen size as the one X

dealbreaker for s4. i hate touchwiz!

dealbreaker for nexus, not a big fan of stock android UI and no sd card only 720p

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great because the one thing i would do for definite if i stick with the Z is edit systemui.apk and theme it to how i want it to look, get rid of the dull icons and add some sexy vibrant icons,
[Xperia Z General] Benyegh:
In my opinion i'll give my best shot for XZ, well i think it's enough for a phone with a specifications in XZ plus THE WATER N DUST PTOOF. XZ will be great for another 2 or 3 years

Warm regards from Indonesia in my Motorola Galaxy s3
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
If you love technology and you have the money...go for it :D

Both devices have pros and cons and the pros and cons are subjective to each people!

Even in camera department both have pros and cons...its not easy!

Even thou the XZ is a fingerprint magnet I prefer it over the aluminum back! Because I think it will be like the iPhone 5...lots of scratches!

The lack of sdcard it's a minus too for the One...
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
And if people really like the beats audio "enhancements" it will be just a matter of time till they be ported.

Tho I think that with dsp manager you can achieve must better results.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
definitely, cant believe they did not put in a MICRO SD Slot,

iphone 5 has scratches?!?!?

hold up isnt the ONE anodized aluminium

EDIT OH CRAP:

the iPhone 5’s case is made out of anodized (i.e., coated) aluminum, which, while being lighter than the stainless steel used in the iPhone 4 and 4S, is also softer and appears to be more susceptible to scratching. It's worth noting that HTC used a comparable oxidized finish for its One S handset
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I can't believe people are calling the Snapdragon S4 Pro outdated when it'll still be the fastest processor available when the Z hits the market. The 600 does have some great performance improvements, but the main bottleneck with these devices seems to be the GPU to render these millions of pixels fast enough and the 600 doesn't improve on that.

Just remember that second-fastest is a very, very honorable position. Calling it outdated is simply wrong.

Add to that that the Z is around 10% cheaper, has an SD slot, is thinner and is waterproof and then you have just as much reasons to go for the Z. And this is pure hardware, if you think Sense will be as fast as Sony's skin you're mistaken.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I don't know if it's the same...

But seeing the production video seemed a lot like iPhone 5, and it scratches...a lot!!

And I found this picture...and I bet it only has a few days...
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
Speaking of not wanting people to make uninformed $800 decisions, as you can see, I am not very fond of HTC as a company even though I am keeping the 8x(go figure right? I like WP8 and unfortunately, the 8x is the lesser of three evils between the 920, 8x, Ativ S). However, most people will ignore this because of my predisposition towards HTC and their design philosophy but I feel that it is my duty to warn the consumers.

I currently own the Nexus 4 and the HTC 8x(My second one because the first had a dead pixel). I also previously have owned the GS2, iphone 4s, Xperia S(twice. Tried a replacement), HTC One X(twice. See Xperia S), GS3, HTC 8x, and the LG Optimus G. My second 8x still has problems such as a rattling volume rocker and a sim card tray that isn't flush with the body. Out of all the phones I have owned, the Sony AND HTC phones were the most problematic. So I can whole heartedly recommend neither of them. Although I would have no problem recommending the Sony if they fixed the yellow tint issue of the Xperia S.

So, get an LG or Samsung. Yes LG sucked before but they are for real now.

ps. Supporting HTC Android is indirectly supporting Apple btw. That is another big con for going HTC.

Cheers! And I hope you make the right decision(which is not HTC).
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
definitely, it would be possible to overclock/undervolt the Z with maybe a custom kernel in the future, Sense is a resource hog though, and lags at times, very eye candy but i agree with you in saying it does lag, to be hoenst though i do hate sense 5, they made it too simple, lost its USP, no longer pleasing to look at!

and your right about outdated, its not outdated at all, who cares if the ONe is faster by 100 milliseconds,

i drive a VW Golf diesel tuned to 175 BHP, and i do not care the guy up my sctreet has one engine spec of the same car+model just a bigger turbo and tuned to 190BHP.

mine is still pretty fast for a small car!

OMFG my sim tray on the one x rattles, annoying, and WOWOWOWOWOWOW, that ONE looks horrid with those marks, they are definitely not fingerprint marks?
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
The One S had flaking problems. Typical HTC. Sigh. Although to be fair, the 8x supposedly has a dirty corners problem but I haven't experienced it yet and I had the phone since launch.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...rs-report-unsightly-chipping-htc-remains-mum/
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
HTC had more issues like this. Sensation battery and statical issues. Hox screen issues etc..

HTC hero was/is their best phone<3(sadly some asshole stole mine:()
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
your both right

are there any design problems with Sony's

From my experience of HTCs

HTC Touch HD, flaking paint off the bezel under normal wear and tear

HD2, paint flaked off alumnium battery cover under normal wear and tear

Desire HD, aluminium back cover was prone to scuffs or paint chips under normal wear and tear

Sensation, Deathgrip and dust under the screen and in the case, even water getting into the screen

ONE X, yellow spots on the LCD, REVERSE Deathgrip, you had to grip it hard to get the wifi signal to increase from one bar to 4 due to the antennae incorporated into the body.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Don't think so!

They look scratches exactly like the ones you see on an iPhone 5...

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I think you found your anwser...

SONY :D
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
lol, any build quality issues on the sony besides the obv poor viewing angles and yellow spot on the S

Also im getting it from CPW in the UK

they are giving it to me for £99.99 and its £26 a month for 24 months with unlimited mins and texts and 1gb

also i get £125 discount for being an employee off the contract in total, throw in the headphones!

altough the HTC one pre order does throw in beats headphones, the contract prices are offically higher.
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
My One X had too many to list. The Xperia S had the yellow tint on the screen. My first 8x had a dead pixel and the second one has loose volume rocker, not flush sim card tray, and a slightly fussy mic(but usable).
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
are there any other kown issues with Xperias, i will be honest with you , my first and only xperia was the X10, i quite liked it, and thought it was cool!

Also im just thinking, i recently bought an LG 42 inch plasma HDTV, if the MHL cable works i could just play movies onto my telly directly? music, i prefer listening in the car, got some aftermarket stereo and speakers
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Since it's all glass and it's the first that way...don't think so! No painted materials...

With glass you can't go wrong in terms of build quality! And if it is waterproof it has to be very sealed ;)
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
lol obviously, man this is a very tough decision, if i wasnt married and i was 3 years younger, would have been the HTC hands down, dual speakers etc and using the phone constantly, but having to be a responsible adult, the tradeoffs on each device appear to be very small.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
MHL cable works on the Z! At least is in it's features...

Why would your first decision be the HTC One? It's the one you love or feel the most?
[Xperia Z General] levi-17:
Choice is a good thing people
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
before i used to be a spec freak and started off with HTC as my first proper smartphone and just kept upgrading, i will be honest, from the age of 15 to 22 i have had atleast 27 different phones, and about 9 or so smartphones,

from Nokia 3310, 5210, 8310, 6230, to Samsung D500, E720, to Sony Ericsson K750, W800, W810, W880, W890 x 2, W960, K850, W995, to Lg Viewty, to o2 orbit, to HTC Touch HD, HD2, Xperia X10, Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2, ONE X, i forgot a few, but that was all in the space of 7.5 years,

but now instead of raw specs i am thinking long term, the reason why i would have gone for the ONE was the Stereo speakers, shiny design, and boasting about the camera, but now i am thinking about a phone that will last me over a year , im thinking of usability, reliability and support,
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Since hardware it's not the problem in both...it comes to support!

Both HTC and Sony prove to be very slow in the past so it's difficult to answer that!

In my modest opinion, and since it seems that Sony it's probably pushing 4.2.2 ate the end of March, Z looks more promising in that department!

But only time will tell... :(
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
The screen, camera, audio, and processor all look to be in the favor of htc. but only marginally and i could live with that, i think superior auto does a good job,
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I don't know about the camera...

HTC don't gives photos to see it! I found it very odd...If it is so much better why not demonstrate it?

The only comparison photo I found was this one:

HTC ONE:

iPhone 4S:

Source: arstechnica
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
yep. i might just wait and see what the other xperia device this year brings or jump ship to it,

not sure what am going to do, need to look at z one more time,
[Xperia Z General] paul-c:
I'm also going to wait, not based on the HTC announcement though. Price is too high for the Z, now that I think about it. It will fall though, just like the S and T before it.

Sent from my Panasonic ELUGA
[Xperia Z General] yumemiru_tenshi:
lol whats wrong with this guy, so full of hate :laugh:

this was taken in the 1st 3 page

he seemed to take a break and continue his rage in page 6

anyways i didn't like how the fat curve in the back of HTC One look

one thing i really gonna miss in Xperia Z is the great screen of HTC One

other than that, i dont think its gonna be that much

still needs to see sample pic of HTC One thou, never seen any yet

not that we need 13mp pic in SONY, its not like we're printing a poster...... aren't we ?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Oh yeah!
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Ignore him. Guy has no reason for any of his arguements.

As for the dev support he is missing the point. Companies like Samsung HAVE no dev support. It has developers to support but the "COMPANY" has no dev support. When people say Sony has better dev support they are saying SONY support the devs. Not hard to understand that.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
I disagree! :D HOX, + and Butterfly already has an s-off hack.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Gpu is not same on both devices :sly:

One has the better one

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
Arent they both andreno 320?
[Xperia Z General] Egan:
Get yourself a HTC One and leave this forum please.
[Xperia Z General] epulrevo:
Its funny to see someone that is clearly won't buying the z but still be in the z forum and flaming. Just ignore the Z and go to where ever u like. Don't be here if u doesn't like it. This thing is just a time wasting. Why don't u guys go to the off topic and start the tech-war there. This kind of topic doesn't needed in this phone specific forum. And for the op, if u cancelled your pre-order u must tell people here and open a thread? How that's will help in development? This kind of things doesn't improving anything. It just dividing the community.
[Xperia Z General] emorej:
Xperia Z design looks elegant, good for professionals,business and many more..HTC one has some good looks too, but i like the minimalistic design of XZ and the UI is much better..HTC UI is like a toy, blink feeds is Flipboard app and Pulse apps, its not an innovation.That weather widget is ugly too and icons are flat. But htc got the upper hand in sound and diplay but not by very much difference..XZ is unique with its waterproof design! XZ all the way here..:laugh::laugh::highfive::cowboy::D:cyclops::good:
[Xperia Z General] alankstiyo:
I doubt with the sound, I mean it´s mainly software, try nooxide from the market and you will notice a difference xD

xperia z looks better for me, and if sony is really paying attention to details this time the screen will be awesome.

hopefully the s4 will destroy them or who knows
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
Now that htc one has its Own forum, hopefully our Z forum will be much cleaner.

Htc m7 is a great device though, no microSD card slot and 4 mp camera will hurt htc one sales though. Screen looks gorgeous I must agree :)