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[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so far all the photos i saw from the One are showing two things:

- in terms of details and quality no one can deny details are lost by going back to 4MP

- in terms of low light and dynamic range, it really works, low light photos have dramatically less noise (if any), much more accurate colors and brightness, this is a breakthrough to be honest, i have seen lots of comparison samples over at HTC Elevate (which i can't share) and to be honest the results speak for themselves

the sharpness however is in your control HTC usually provides 2 minus levels and 2 plus in sharpness options

but again no denying details are lost in 4MP (half the One X)

so i dont think we should fool ourselves, what HTC is selling is actually a camera which has better dynamic range and low light than any other phone (except the pureview one)

some images are misleading, where you see in a comparison for example a competitor phone showing more brigthness but washed out, meanwhile the One shows a less bright image but vastly more dynamic range, you simply go to the gallery hit auto enhance and the image will magically brighten up

in the simplest of words, you are

trading pixel detail for better light

considering it's a phone and in daily usage you actually need the low light ability a little bit more than detail in day light, previously low light images on all phones were almost useless

Once i get my hands on the device, i will show you how to properly provide a comparison ;) (Check my desire HD camera guide for an idea)
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
Indeed, that could be causing an issue, maybe some throttling going on due to the chips already being hot from the previous tests.
[One (M7) General] Dark13lade:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

About camera I think that if someone will do a research, he will find that most pictures taken with smartphone are in a low light environment. So this step is good from HTC, problem is making everyone else understand it
[One (M7) General] NexusC:
I'm really curious about support for the tv app and infrared remote control in Europe.

My expectations on this are not too high, but certainly not a dealbreaker.
[One (M7) General] BlueSingA:
Agreed. Or in worst case (since they actually underwent through with the upscaling/downscaling), why didn't they downscale images to 4mpix, HTC One native to make it fair?
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
from the ddr2 - ddr3 thread
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Sv: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

@Hamdir: if you have seem more sample pics taken with the One, can you say anything about how the optical image stabilization seems to work?

Really excited about this combined with the larger pixels. Should make for easier shooting in poor light.

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[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Don't we need videos to judge this?
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Sv: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Dunno, but I believe OIS should help taking stills without shake blurs in low light when shutter times are longer.

Skickat från min HTC Desire via Tapatalk 2
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Good point but I think we need a proper camera hands on for this
[One (M7) General] ShyamSasi:
Despite of HTC providing a lot of information it will be hard to convince a greater crowd 4 MP vs. 13 MP. Even today I argued with my friend about it. People who go to store then decide which phone will have trouble selecting HTC One. Let's see how far HTC can be successful convincing the average crowd. They really need to train the Sales guys about Ultra Pixels.
[One (M7) General] HTInOxM8:
Yup mate. Especially here in our area. Even when i got the One X I was explaining to the sales guy about it features :p . They really need to train them and reach to the average crowd. I've tried convincing some of my friends and some 2-3 of them are getting the ONE along with me. Let's see what HTC does.
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
I think htc must focus in software(zoe) this video show great features of zoe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mu9imlyj5o
[One (M7) General] ShyamSasi:
Samsung pays our mobile retailers very well. They always push for Samsung than HTC. Once in Univercell Mobile Store customer was asking about HTC Explore and the guy was pushing some Samsung device. I told him to trust HTC it's a lot better to go for it. The Sales guy gave me a look :D

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Yes mate ... Lot of people like software tweaks than hardware I personally know lot of people went to Note 2 or S3 because of S-Voice, Multi window etc.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
[YOUTUBE]PbhMDNuVzTE[/YOUTUBE]

excellent and revealing interview, it actually explains the unibody pretty well, its a "combosite" metallic structure where the plastics are "one" with the unibody, also explains the silver is a bit more durable but the paint on the black version is also rugged and scratch resistant, he said its their strongest unibody shell yet, the new combosite unibody eliminates squeaking parts

this one goes to the OP ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes definitely ZOE is better argument already wawed many of my friends
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the One X/S/V DesireX/VX 8x screens are all laminated on the glass surface and zero gab already ;)
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
Don't compare it with Vista, Vista was an atrocity.
[One (M7) General] mahay_love:
It's true that not many will upgrade, but when you consider the fact that new laptops/desktops come pre-installed with Windows 8 then their share is bound to increase eventually. Windows Phone 8 is a whole other issue..
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
OT alert guys

but i will just add my view regarding W8 and move on

this OS and the convertible concept will do great, the only two things standing in the way, are the stupid stupid RT verison which seems to be on it's way to oblivion and the high prices which as confirmed by Anand are on it's way to a good reduction

in terms of sw, it's still Windows and it's still MS, they bet their entire strategy on this concept, so you can expect most OS shortcomings to be refined and improved

once the prices of Surface Pro based devices are normalized, then you can judge if it's a success ;)
[One (M7) General] RoachPapa:
http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?D1=...0S&D3=Apple+iPhone+5&D4=Google+Nexus+4&cols=4

Adreno GS4 seems to be better, then powervr.

Gesendet von meinem HTC One mit Tapatalk 2
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Black HTC One peeks out of AT&T and Sprint web stores, promises to be available soon
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
Interesting camera comparison against the (snapdragon) One X:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40539933&postcount=25

The One is a clear win in every shot, imo.
[One (M7) General] :
Nice review, you have a future in blogging.

How's your signal strength compared to last phone in same areas, assuming it wasn't metal. My One S is not that good, though it may be lousy TMO--:)

Was wanting the dev phone, but not sure that will give me optimum dl speeds/signal strength with att.

I am wanting this but, must wait for lte in Dayton Oh to see if I gain anything over TMO. Maybe a month yet. I played with one in att store but they have no sims, so couldn't test some dl speeds and internet access was hard to get. They always had sims before. Maybe new mgmt. Softkeys seemed a little finicky, but someone mentioned they take getting use to. Very beautiful and I think perfect size. :)
[One (M7) General] mattman83:
Dev phone is optimised for AT&T, it's effectively the same hardware just 64Gb and unlocked. If going T-Mo you'll need the phone from them, as nothing else will work properly.

M.
[One (M7) General] :
Thanks, read somewhere review using dev phone talked about speeds not what expected and the optimization theory. But, could have been anything causing it. I do a lot of flashing and saw where att may block bootloader from being unlocked, if not done already. Am sure that can be overcome. But, one more thing in the mix on my decision of when and which phone to buy. I think only lte won't work on tmo and as we don't have it here yet, I could buy dev phone and run on tmo till I switch to att. afaik

EDIT: Signal strength at home and work are my biggest issues with new phone. One S/TMO not getting it done. Don't want to make a mistake on new choice. Plus speaker quality, as sometimes I don't use bluetooth headset. But, I think the One will shine there.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
How sure are you that it's unpartitioned?
[One (M7) General] VeixES:
Do we know(or expect) when the 1.29.401.12 (WWE) or newer update will be available OTA?
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Doing the waiting game here... My ol' trusty Htc Desire went belly up last week and until my HTC One delivery is coming through, I´m on a loaner. Thing is that loaner is an iPhone4. So please HTC, hurry upp! If I´m forced to use this thing for too long I might be turned to the fruit side!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea the HTC One biggest negative: waiting :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Home is where the heart is: Facebook Home downloads top 500,000
[One (M7) General] zekit:
The question is how many uninstalls they got after a few hours of it :)

btw great review hamdir, thanks a lot for spending time to write it.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/v...ms-get-lucky-live-for-the-first-time-20130420
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I believe this is on topic

BGR: The cost of iPhone quality control: $1.2B in faulty phones returned by Apple in 2013 alone
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Could it be the black chipping problem?

It's an awesome hardware but with crappy OS
[One (M7) General] jmitr:
100% sure

HTC started this with the One X + and continued. When you go into settings > storage you would see two areas, internal storage and user storage. Internal was for apps, usually 1-2gb and the rest for music, photos, docs etc. Unpartioned means the whole remaining storage space after system (protected) is available for apps, music, whatever. Before, with HTC you were limited in how many apps you could install, not anymore.

No worries mate, I changed my Desire for a One V (storage issues....hence the above answer, I am well versed in data2sd, partions etc!). My wife has an old IPhone 4 that the kids now use as an Ipod......trust me, the 4 is not enough to lure anyone to the dark side!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
another OT but i find the news today more focused on the iPhone, also supply issues remind us of the current One situation

Apple reportedly facing delays for the iPhone 5S because of fingerprint tech
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Catcher reportedly to exclusively supply metal-alloy chassis for use in HTC M4
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
What I find interesting is that it seems Apple noticed the quality issues themselves, presumably before any of the affected batch had been sold.

I realise that HTC doesn't have even a hundredth of Apple's resources, but I really do think they could take a page out of Apple's book. It's all about reputation, and HTC took a big hit with the One X (even though they were generally unimpeachable before that). Over here in the UK, the One is currently undercutting the GS4's price by £100. It's a huge difference, but I feel like upping the price (and the margin) at the expense of higher QC and lower yields (and maybe a later launch date) would have been a good trade off.

But then, maybe that's why I don't have Peter Chou's job.
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
I'm really really hoping for HTC's success. People were like "yea yea noone will know HTC One just like HOX" but we all see that's not the case this year. There are TONS of iphone users who are changing to HTC One. There are tons and tons of android users they are changing to HTC One. It should make the difference that is needed.

And in a few years maybe we can see HTC back on its place where they were when Desire HD was released. ^^
[One (M7) General] TRiBaL1981:
I would also like to add that Apple never resolved the out of the box scuff issue of the iphone5. Even now, if you go and buy one it will most probably have scuffs or small marks or whatever. Hope HTC sorts out any flaws in later batches.
[One (M7) General] XL2001:
Hoping they are successful as well but man it's depressing when there is very little advertising going on and I live in Canada. Everyone seems to be pushing S4 and on a lot of the carrier sites it seems like the HTC One is buried or can't be found.
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
Same goes for Turkey. Samsung doing preorder deals with wireless charger and audio dock for S4 and HTC doing nothing for One so far.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Microsoft's poodle / hoe aka Nokia has been granted a preliminary injunction against HTC in the Netherlands, over microphone technology.

It is clear that Microsoft wants to make life as difficult for Android handset makers, as its own software / Nokia's hardware can't really do the job, MS is going full retard on the patent troll / release the lawyers strategy. Unfortunately, we are again seeing the nasty, bullying side of MS that the company was infamous for in the 80 / 90s.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/22/nokia-preliminary-inMjunction-against-htc-one-mic/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
man now one is giving this company a break, they must be doing something right

HTC risks supply issues as Netherlands court grants microphone injunction

Reminds me of last year Apple USA ban against HTC, lets hope it's not as hurtful
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
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[One (M7) General] hamdir:
www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-iii-tip-claims-plastic-replacing-glass-display-22278783/
[One (M7) General] joewong1991:
Omfg it's a freeking microphone you can tell when a child what's his toy back kickin the floor because someone else is useing it go f*** ya self Nokia and die in piece don't pull everyone else down because you carnt build anything better than the 3310
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ST Microelectronics to blame after courts grant Nokia a preliminary injunction against HTC One in Netherlands

better I try to get my one sooner than later, those mics are gold
[One (M7) General] jesr:
Let's hope ST Microelectronics doesn't screw HTC with other components too, like the camera sensor.
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Yep we will have next batch in september
[One (M7) General] patato2:
I can't believe ST is really that dumb. microphones are not that hard to get, if HTC knew this there's no way they use it on ONE.
[One (M7) General] sgt. slaughter:
See in a perfect world they would be suing ST here and not HTC as ST is one at fault for failing the NDA involved... Then they could sue ST for every one HTC sells with the Mic installed... Right now blocking HTC here doesn't hurt ST that much...
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Hope this mic debacle doesn't delay release further here in the nordics.
[One (M7) General] greenmark69:
Nokia's injunction is against ST Micro to prevent it selling the component to HTC.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
OMG, that does not sound good! but can they block HTC for a mistake of ST ?
[One (M7) General] atrako1973:
Nokia accusing HTC

http://m.techradar.com/news/world-o...er-google-tech-fights-the-legal-fight-1146237
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
they did block it on the Netherlands from what I understood

if the injunction is attempting to block ST supply (ST headquarter in Netherlands as well) this could be a real bad news

so now Nokia is replacing Apple with these HTC lawsuits, ill do some reading about the Lumia 720 today really interested to see if they indeed copied this as a feature

still maybe this means the current stock will end up in the Middle East instead :) we are the same region as Europe (EMEA) so HTC will simply divert to other on hold areas until the component is replaced
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Good thing my One has already arrived in our US branch office. Thanks ST-E!

Should be getting it next week.
[One (M7) General] atrako1973:
Middle east need some hugs and love too :) ,I think if HTC is clever just like the new marketing team I'd say they will divert chipement somewhere else ,and find something to counter sue Nokia
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
In that case, i think they should do that.. Middle east is a big market!

Engadget reports that injunction is only against ST to supply the component to HTC! That's more bad news i suppose... That will entirely stop the HTC one production in case they don't have enough already

BTW on the context of marketing, i think HTC should start some marketing in middle east too! I don't see any advertisements for the One yet! The Nokia 720 already has loads of advertisements
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
lets hope this means more appreciation for the device and less returns over plastic micro imperfections :)

and yes they can do better money in the middle east, we mostly buy retail
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Mostly ? i am guessing only retail :) or at least no subsidiary at all here at-least for HTC devices..

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BTW, When do you intended to buy the one? been not easy to keep up with your posts on XDA :)
[One (M7) General] atrako1973:
Ya that's what strange with HTC, they never advertise before it's outonly unconfirmed leaks ,s4 is not even out ,everybody knows about it ,it's on preorders for a month now
[One (M7) General] Amy611:
But clove.uk mentioned, it won't be available before March 15.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes i'm getting the one, want the one but not willing to pay over 1k$ when its priced 575$ in America

although last Friday when i was reviewing the rare 1100$ unit i almost broke and bought it of my cousin

true story, the unit was so pristine and flawless with a screen as bright as my One X, i though what the hell i could just shell a little more and save my self the pain

with my conscious (hint: my wife) around, i returned to sanity
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
The price will drop in the end of this week and max net monday in Lebanon,I talked to some shops and they said that,also I checked some online French shops and they have it at last,so if the European stocks are back on track then here it will follow very soon :good:
[One (M7) General] patato2:
True, but after seeing the shortage everywhere, if HTC get more aggressive, the shortage will become a disaster I guess. or it's already a disaster?:cyclops:

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They can, HTC has to settle this real quick or all shipment will be halted. I REALLY hate ST for this mistake.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
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[kernel][sense][Apr-23-2013] tbalden's kernel 1.2 [CIFS][HOME2WAKE][HTCLogoMenu]
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
WOW!

They did it!

Another positive thing for the One!

So s2w will work too

BTW is there any threads for S-OFF project for the One??
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
None yet I don't think.
[One (M7) General] jesr:
Qualcomm has 50+ Snapdragon 600, 800 designs
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Only 2 weeks back, i got a HOX+ from HTC as a service replacement for my HOX and i am already thinking of the One!

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woo i love it :)

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I don't think we need the S-OFF because we are able to flash the boot.img after we unlock..

Cyanogen had posted on his G+ page that the device works like a Nexus device after unlock

EDIT : No it is not cyanogen, it was Koush - https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/WykbCAAVcrv

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Did you mean to say the production will be halted? yes :(
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
haha man some websites are too funny

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120...&utm_campaign=Feed:+co/qfQv+(Pocket-lint.com)

http://thedroidguy.com/2013/04/fujitsu-fjdev001-phone-antutu-record-leaked-specs/

the phone is using snapdragon 600 and just because it has a higher Antutu than the SGS4 it made a more action packed news :laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
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[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
The original article on Reuters:

link

Globally. Ouch. :(

So all Ones from now on will have to feature a different microphone, unless the decision can somehow be overturned? Kind of glad I got mine back in the middle of March, now. ;)
[One (M7) General] jesr:
Extensive review from Howard that also features comparison thoughts with the Xperia ZL, SGS4 and so on.

Is One > 4? Our HTC One review

Camera sample in low light
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Yeah, time for them to know that numbers no longer matter the most!

4 > 13 :D
[One (M7) General] Billy Madison:
Only that in HTC One there is NO IPS :cool:

It's the same sharps screen matrix as in Xperia Z. Difference is in ppi, lamination and antiglare coatings
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
check this...

Nokia's co-developed high-amplitude mics retain 10-month exclusivity, HTC has to look elsewhere
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
I don't understand how HTC can continue manufacturing Ones with that microphone if ST is forbidden from selling it to them?

Surely the only way forward for HTC is to source a different (and probably inferior) mic?

I was hanging around waiting for the minor build issues to be cleared up (and the price to drop maybe!), but it looks like I'm going to have to pull the trigger and buy the One asap if I want the dual-membrane mics.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no here is more info translated

http://www.allaboutphones.nl/nieuws...p-tot-levering-tufnell-microfoon-aan-htc.html

here is HTC response from this article (translated)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
it just hit me, this will probably make this device even more expensive and desirable in certain countries :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
If I understand the translation correctly, all that means is that there will be no recall or sales ban of the HTC One, HOWEVER, HTC still need to procure an alternative mic. I think HTC are reassuring investors by saying it will have no affect on sales or shipments, and that is correct, but that could just be because they are going to use the mics they've been using in the DNA or whatever into the One instead. So no major impact to HTC's bottom line, but definite impact to the consumer when it comes to the overall quality of the device.

It's unfair because if HTC had known about this contract beforehand, they might have been able to source a similar dual-membrane technology from another manufacturer, or even ST themselves, that was sufficiently different to avoid any of Nokia's claims. As of right now, HTC don't have TIME to develop something like that.

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If I understand correctly, it won't make the phone any more scarce or slow production any. It could even drive the manufacturing cost down if they find cheaper alternative mics. So this isn't something we need to worry about.
[One (M7) General] latenlazy:
Hmmm, I really wonder if a parts injunction ordered by the Netherlands is enforceable on a global supply chain that can just move outside of its jurisdictional boundaries. If STM and HTC simply ignored the court order, I can't imagine the Dutch courts being able to do anything about it...though it might just encourage Nokia to pursue further legal actions in other countries.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
That would be a pain if that happens, hopefully HTC won't allow that to happen.

HTC could collect the expenses from STM
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Android Key Lime Pie allegedly pushed back, not coming to Google I/O 2013