yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[One (M7) General] jesr:
I saw the presentation, they didn't call it octa or eight core SoC or anything like that. And they are not hyping it as far as I know (maybe the media are), the SoC is not even mentioned in the droiddoes page neither highlighted in the motorola page. They are just calling it Motorola X8 Mobile Computing System, whatever that means. HW specs are not of paramount importance in this new approach from Moto/Google.

That was something I immediatly noticed, they didn't went for the marketing octa bull**** like samsung did. But let's see how the marketing rolls out and if they will fall for it.
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
I want to see how in those benches, it's leaving us in the dust.

-Sent from Marino's One-
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
onscreen vs onscreen
[One (M7) General] CLARiiON:
I was looking for benchmarks (seems too early) for 5420 when I came across your post.

I think you need to make a correction here with regards to GPU numbers.

Samsung says the new Exynos has more than 2 times the GPU processing capability compared to previous Exynos 5 octa (not 604MP4).

New series of Exynos 5 Octa’s advanced GPU (Graphic Processing Unit) enables 2.3 times faster 3D graphics processing capabilities over the previous Exynos 5 octa.

Source: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5octa.html
[One (M7) General] jesr:
@ hamdir

Maybe Brian read my post ;) In any case we already knew for ages that this was the msm8960T from several leaks;)
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
I don't expect the Moto X to be some kind of savior phone for Motorola, facts are facts, in the Android world, people are spec whores.
[One (M7) General] mattman83:
No... people on XDA are spec whores. 98% of android phones go to regular consumers who wouldn't know the difference. There's only 16,000 registered users logged in to XDA right now, that is a drop in the ocean.

M.
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
I feel you're right to an extent.

Most people who buy into Android though are used to hearing marketing revolved around specs.

Where as the Moto X is supposed to pull people in due to some kind of new voice actions, gimmick stuff.

I'll probably be wrong about all of it, because I think Google's heavy hand in this is where it'll save it.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
i need to correct nothing i based them on what anandtech figures compared to the 604, 50% in IPC and 50% in cores, we will see
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
well no matter how they make it sound and hype it, it's still bull****, i dont care if they call it 8 core cpu or 8 core whatever, this idea of cores count including DSPs is super misleading, even ARS technica is pissed
[One (M7) General] bobsie41:
How will this help the call quality and signal strength on my mobile PHONE?
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
You missed a few.

Dungeon Hunter 1 & 2: Diablo.

Gangstar series: Grand Theft Auto.

Eternal Legacy: Final Fantasy series.

Having said that, some of their games are actually rather good. :) Eternal Legacy and Dungeon Hunter 2 HD are about the most fun I've had gaming on a phone. (I'm trying to erase Dungeon Hunter 3 from my memory, though. :crying: )
[One (M7) General] stesa:
he says S4 ATM
[One (M7) General] Karish1989:
I don't know if this is posted already:

HTC One HDR and slow motion video samples vs normal mode comparison

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...deo-samples-vs-normal-mode-comparison_id40298
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ok thanks for confirming its 5.5

its no go for me

lets hope HTC settled 4.7 as their ideal "One" size

and they experiment all they want with other sizes

anyway back to the related news, its will be lonely in 2013 as the "One" brand, HTC will not divided this brand

most we can expect within the one year cycle is a One+ but nothing more 3

they still have tons of other brands so no worries

what matter is not to confuse buyers about the HTC One
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no its new

[YOUTUBE]h7Bukx-AzaI[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]JqgHq8MQTa4[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]w7ByGRPdbnc[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...deo-samples-vs-normal-mode-comparison_id40298
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
More stuff from PhoneArena:

HTC One vs iPhone 5 – first look

HTC One vs Galaxy S III vs iPhone 5 picture and video samples comparison

Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 theater demo at MWC 2013
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the photos look fine, i just dont understand why HTC is compressing so badly a 4MP image to begin with, that's just idiotic
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

I sent an email to HTC asking if they'll ship it with 4.2. Their reply was 'most probably'

Sent from my DHD
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
awesome

now I really need to find an Asus Padfone infinity GL score :) since its running on 4.2
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
They always keep some room for XDA devs to work on it ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Qualcomm unafraid of Nvidia's Tegra 4: 'we beat it easily' with Snapdragon 800
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
For those interested to know more about the GPU

here are the Adreno 320 slides:

http://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/2186

sadly not much is revealed Qualcomm stopped sharing info about its GPU beginning with the Adreno 3xx series

here is the full article

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview

supports ETC2 texture compression, Nvidia used ETC1 in their GL benchmark on Tegra 4 :) on a custom GLBenchmark 2.5.1_b306a5

would be interesting to see ETC2 results from Adreno 320
[One (M7) General] иicку™:
Hey all, my first post on XDA and as most people in this thread i'm waiting for the ONE!

HTC One is up for pre-orders in Sweden. On contract it's 8$ more expensive each month then the Xperia Z and almost 17$ more expensive / month then Nexus 4.

Anyone want to share some info how it looks in the rest of the world?

Ps. Sorry and please excuse my grammar, can be a bit faulty since it's not my native language.
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
S4?

I find this hard to believe/understand.

Why go with a dated soc?

Perhaps its just a carrier variant for your country?
[One (M7) General] dario2411:
FUN PAGE

Hello guys and gals. I have made HTC One fun page on Facebook. Feel free to join us

Admins are welcome. (just pm. me on facebook page)
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Can any1 confirm/deny if the HTC One has a built in AMP for the headphones?

Thanks
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the prototype of the One were carrying an s4 as well, all the rumours were saying s4pro

so it must mean either s600 and s800

dont let qualcomm really trick you with, architecture wise there is no big difference between s4 and the new kraits, its still s4 just enhanced
[One (M7) General] Nokiacrazi:
Yes according to several videoes the HTC reps showing the phone have said there are two amps in the phone, one for the dual speakers, and one for the headphones.
[One (M7) General] cjm1979:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

There are already a few threads running in the same part of the forum you found this thread in. I've seen a Germany one and a UK that I can remember at least.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
BGR: HAS SAMSUNG STARTED SLIPPING?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
its pretty much confirmed the N7 has S4pro and 2GB DDR3 though

http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-7-2-full-specs-and-benchmarks-surface-with-codename-razor-24291578/

http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-7-2-appears-in-leaked-photos-alongside-packaging-23291538/

http://www.androidauthority.com/new-nexus-7-pre-order-best-buy-android-4-3-on-board-247648/

any dev not optimizing for a320 at this point is an idiot :D
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Am i the only one who is unhappy on the S4 Pro without a Snapdragon 600?
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
[MENTION=3379782]pradeepvizz[/MENTION] - no, you're not.

S4 Pro for 1920x1200 is not enough in my opinion.

[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] - here's something for you, time to replace your ancient Titan:

NVIDIA announces 'fastest GPU ever' for pros, the 12GB Quadro K6000
[One (M7) General] CLARiiON:
Quite possible. But then again we are assuming everything scales linearly and according to numbers mentioned.

If it's actually 50% and 50% in IPC and cores, it comes to about 2.25x (samsung mentioned 2.3 in their marketing material).

Supposedly, it's clocked @ 600Mhz.

cheers!
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
i wish it is just a confusion like what we had for the H1 rumors.
[One (M7) General] MrKaon:
Unboxing New Nexus 7:

[YOUTUBE]PO2ZsvwRMuY[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
http://llabtoofer.com/2013/07/24/htc-zara-first-information/

in another word "meh"
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
man i wish it had s800, it would have been a day one purchase
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
me too! but i am not sure if s800 is on production already. Sony XZ Ultra seems to be shipping in one week in India !
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Ouuuu, Riptide GP 2!!! :D

Can't wait to play this!

Maaaaan, that unboxing vid made me really, really want a N7.

I didn't manage to get one when they were last released, now's my chance :)
[One (M7) General] beno619:
Its been benched matching the N4 onscreen so it S4 Pro seems more than adequate.

People seem to be forgetting this is still a budget tab.

Android 4.3 is looking great and Google seem to have chosen a very stable Soc, where things will work out of the box no problem.

I doubt anybody will release a S800 tablet for < €400.

Im very imressed the the new N7 and it will be my first tablet and a day one purchase if I wasn't away next week :mad:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
well lets not forget Android 4.3 brings a good Adreno 320 boost as well

eitherway 1824x1200 (with menu) is almost the same as 1080p and from scaling down vector units it doesnt seem bring a massive boost (unlike tegra), seems Adreno 320 is not short on fill rate, the bottlenecks are in other places (if any)

one thing to consider, Adreno 320 on s600 1080p seems to match the 720p onscreen equivalent on S4pro, so if this is due to any hardware tweaks, it will be left out of the N7

eitherway this is eerily similar to last year, One X and Nexus 7 both with the same SOC, which made me a decision last year not to get the same SOC or even OS on two mobile devices

so personally i would prefer going for another tablet, trying to sell my ipad and will most likely get a haswell surface pro tablet instead (but i will wait to check out the new iPad5 first)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
just noticed Qualcomm made new pages for the S600 and S800, you can see the so called cores of Moto

http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800

http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/600

http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800-600-400-200/specs

We really that ES 3.0 update for our Adreno 320, we will have to wait ages for HTC to bring 4.3 :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
The benchmarks are bit more than N4, but this hardware is outdated even before launch!

The Tegra3 on the original N7 costs 21$, The S600 costs 20$ (source Google for S4 manufacturing cost) and i would expect S800 to be near 30$. Why not should a tablet have one?

S600 on the HTC One has been very stable till now, i don't know why we would want to be stuck with a year old SoC.

ASUS can easily come up new tablet with a updated processor & other goodies like a SD card or something and score a win over N7.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
interesting figures from qualcomm

Adreno 330 is 50% the Adreno 320 which is 300% Adreno 305

and according to Moto, Adreno 320 is a 4 cores GPU amounting to 16 shader units (4x4?) 3.2 million pixels fill rate and 512KB cache

so is the Adreno 305 a single core version? :) and Adreno 330 a 6 cores version? :)

Adreno305 = Adreno300MP

Adreno320 = Adreno300MP4 (+300%)

Adreno330 = Adreno300MP6 (+50%)

just a thought :)

too bad qualcomm isnt sharing details, its half the fun
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
check what i found

Qualcomm: Snapdragon 600/400/200 Performance Report
[One (M7) General] beno619:
The Tegra 3 in the original N7 was a cheap SoC.

And tablets will S600 & S800 but they will not cost €250 because OEM's need to make a profit.

For example the Sony Xperia tablet Z ,1080p and S4 Pro cost €400+.

Google sell devices at cost or close to cost price because they make money on adds and services.

Asus's most successful tablet is the N7 nobody cares about "Transformer Pads".

Apparently the 2nd gen N7 was ready for Google I/O but got held back which means specs were finalized a long time ago.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
I think you'll find the PS4 "operating temperatures" are the range of temperatures that your living-room can be at if you want to operate a PS4 reliably in it; it's nothing to do with the temperature of the device itself.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Anyone on XDA knows why Google sells devices at low cost & why the manufacturers don't.

Tegra 3 SoC ?? it was technically never one. i guess we are talking about Nexus and not about manufacturers. what do you mean when T3 is a cheap - i have numbers for T3's costs & S600's cost, which is the same.

The original N7 is arguably still the best 7 inch android tablet around even after one year of launch and for the new N7 to keep such a stand for one more year, it needs a good S600 or S800. i meant ASUS or any on else for that matter can build a improved 7 incher to leave the new nexus behind easily.

Phones with S600 were shipped even before Google IO and hence the new N7 could have easily carried it.

i keep my hope on those few rumors which listed the new N7 to have a S600.
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Yo Hamdir!

Any news about an official HTC dealer in our country? :fingers-crossed:
[One (M7) General] beno619:
Well if you understand all this then you know why S4 pro makes sense.

Do you have any links for the cost of S600 and S800 ?

Asus and other manufactures have already bettered the original N7 on paper, yet it endures. Nobody cares about android tabs that arnt a Nexus.

If Asus launched a €400 S800 tablet next month the S4 Pro nexus & would still kill it sales wise.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
here is the link for the s600 cost - http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_manufacturing_cost_estimated_at_244-news-5732.php

S4pro is not the best for the new n7. i would like to stop it here.
[One (M7) General] beno619:
Thanks for the link, I'm surprised its that cheap !

Dont get me wrong I would prefer S600 also but S4 Pro more more than reasonable compared to other tablets in the €230 price range.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
NVIDIA demos mobile Kepler GPU; available in Tegra 5 devices first half of 2014

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/24/4551800/nvidia-kepler-mobile-logan-siggraph-shield-confirmed

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/24/nvidia-project-logan-siggraph-2013/

http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-project-logan-processor-assimilates-kepler-mobile-24291587/

http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/07/24/kepler-to-mobile/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Anandtech is in

NVIDIA Demonstrates Logan SoC: < 1W Kepler, Shipping in 1H 2014, More Energy Efficient than A6X?

so it's now 192 cores in a single SMX unit (used to be 96 cores per SMX on the G6xx series)
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
adreno 420 gonna had a hard time to compete with mobile kepler....
[One (M7) General] luuranko3:
So is tegra 5 going to be tablet only?
[One (M7) General] beno619:
The fact they already have silicon back from the fabs means this might be the first Tegra part that actually ships on time :laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
even better they tried to scale it to score the same as the iPad 4 in GL benchmark and it used under 1W!! while the iPad uses around 2.6W

the target speed consumption 2W so we are talking between 3x and 4x the iPad 4 with the very latest APIs and unified shaders, mobile kepler is almost 500% faster than the iPad4 in peak

lets take the least for smartphones, 3x the iPad 4 is 150fps in Egypt HD 1080p

but Anand is assuming the clocks will be reduced in smartphones compared to tablets, i think 2W is the

Is nvidia finally redeeming themselves?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
we can compare with the GTX 640M LE which has 384 kepler cores at 500mhz (used in the Razer Edge)

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Razer+Edge

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Acer+Aspire+V3-571G+(NVidia+GeForce+GT+640M)

around 130fps in Egypt HD and 55fps in TRex, more like 2x Adreno 330 so i don't think Adreno 4xx will have issues here

Anand is assuming the silicon is able to achieve 1ghz but of course the form factor and power draw will dictate this side
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Comparing to Adreno? 330 :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One Max Looks to be AT&T Exclusive, Launching in September
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
So we know the cores of Logan and the expected power consumption from a watt point of view. We also know what Logan is capable of being better than the ps3 from a gflop comparison what we don't know is the frequency and the die size. Hopefully nvidia don't make the same mistake with tegra 3 shipping it with a last gen fab size tegra 3 being 40nm while the competition is 32/28nm. If nvidia jump to 20nm we can expect the a15 to be more appropriate for mobile use consuming less power and the gpu can run at higher clocks on mobile phones. If nvidia do release tegra 5 with 28nm fab then expect it to be a pure epic fail for mobile and for it to become a tablet, phablet and game console Soc only like tegra 4 which maybe the segment nvidia is aiming for which is very doubtful as the smartphone industry is we're android shines and is also were the main profit is. So all nvidia need to do is make sure it is a 20nm fab and by then we may even have a improved a15 from arm and stick to the 2 watt power consumption goal as anything higher will have issues operating on a phone, but one thing is for sure is even if nvidia do become the leaders on the gpu front their a15 will be no match for Qualcomm cpu,power efficiency and they will probably release a 20nm fab before everyone besides Intel and they always meet their production deadline which in its own right can make Qualcomm a winner of 2014 if nvidia suffers delays.

Samsung will be releasing note 3 with 3 gigs of ram while HTC phablet will have 2 gigs I know their isn't a massive difference but that is already a win for Samsung having been the first to secure 3 gig of ram before anyone else. The HTC one fell short of the sg4 in mp count, clock frequency and battery size lets hope they don't win ahead again although specs have proven from Samsung that they don't always relate to a good experience as even if the sg4 is better the HTC 1, HTC 1 is still has a lag free experience compared to touch wiz.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
:good:

i fully agree, the figures are impressive, now let's see if they make them into practical implementation on time

the powerVR rogue series is very salable as well and i am not worried about Qualcomm

For CPU we will have to wait for Paker

eitherway its just good that Android is finally enjoying a healthy GPU race

i was about to lose hope :)
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
Hasn't HTC learnt from their mistake that releasing worldwide devices on exclusives in the us only brings in less customers the more carriers supporting the HTC max the better, it needs all the recognition and sales it can get.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
mmmm last year leaks shows Open GL ES 3.0 for Adreno 420 but DX11 as well

anyway looking at the sharp jump between Adreno 305 and 320 kinda hint that A3xx is a scalable architecture like powerVR, 4 cores vs 1 on 305

its a massive fillrate jump over Adreno 225/305
[One (M7) General] luuranko3:
cant wait tegra 5 mobile...sold my galaxy s4 yesterday and was going to buy htc one or nexus 4 but damm thoise specs of tegra 5 just made me to wait it.....Now Im rocking with Lumia 520 because it was only 99e:p:p
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Google Event imminent
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
Let's hope the fill rate jump between the 330 and 420 is bigger than 305 and 320 as competing with Logan will be difficult for Qualcomm. We all know that next year tegra 5 will be the gpu to beat unless rogue 6 comes out, although that is only rumoured to have 200 gflops performance compares to nvidia's 400 gflops which is a massive jump from 70 gflops of the tegra 4 although anandtech did say the gpu was likely set at gigahertz frequency which is more than double mobile phones can handle. 2013 was the year socs were 1080p game capable and 2014 will be the reach ps3 performance, although even if the tegra 5 has a lot of cores and has a amazing gflop performance we still need to know the memory bandwidth hopefully it will be higher than the iPad 4's I think it was 18gb/s. The ps3 gpu known as RSX reality synthesizer is 22gb/s memory bandwidth running at 550 mhz at a 60nm design hopefully provinding the fact the Logan gpu will be much smaller we should expect performance to exceed the ps3. Here are the ps3 gpu full specs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_'Reality_Synthesizer'

Tegra 5 thd games will be mouth watering coupled with frostbite mobile from EA, next year we may see the end of modern combat with proper fps games like battlefield mobile powered by frostbite mobile, hopefully with better gpu capabilities we will see more devs making proper graphic intense games :D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
no well i dont think you need another big jump in fillrate if you were are still aiming for 1080p

im pretty convinced Adreno 3xx is a scalable design like powervr and mali

i think qualcomm has the ability to tweak the performance where it needs

Nvidia declared their targets for T5 since a while now, so qualcomm is most likely prepard

the problem is API though... if indeed a420 is ES 3.0, Nvidia will scream past them

the 500mhz 192 core kepler in 640M LE is actually able to play crysis 3 at 768p with FXAA! thanks to DX11, but of course other factors like memory bandwith come to play here

[YOUTUBE]_gRNwf7ZuvQ[/YOUTUBE]

I recommend you read this to get an idea about 384 cores kepler, lots of details

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-razer-edge-review

there is table comparing to the iPad 4, so the GPU jump is not as abusrd massive as we might think, around 3x

in terms of current ps3/pc games, it seems to be able to run them to some extend but in the 720p range

surprisingly the difference isnt as big againt intel HD 4000 in GFX bench, so benchmarks are really half the story

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Acer+Aspire+V3-571G+(NVidia+GeForce+GT+640M)

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Lenovo+IdeaPad+Yoga+13
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
hold on hold on, i made a big big mistake

its just one SMX with 192 cores versus the promised 384 cores in the 640M LE

:rolleyes:

what is Anandtech thinking? i don't see how it can achieve 5x the iPad 4...

the most we can expect is 34fps in TRex and 100fps in Egypt?!

half the scores of the razor Edge would be exactly 27fps in Trex and 65fps in Egypt which is less than the intel 4000HD (42fps and 85fps)

s800 scores 26fps and 68fps

Shield's T4 scores 20fps and 55fps
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
New Nexus 7 with stereo speakers (i thought the first had those)

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/122...1920-x-1200-lcd-screen-and-5-megapixel-camera

s4pro

looking forward to see how the a320 will perform and if indeed its different to the s600 a320

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7171/googles-breakfast-with-sundar-pichai-event-live-blog
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Android 4.3 Jelly Bean official, shipping with new Nexus 7
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
what is she talking about? do we have ES 3.0 already in our 4.2.2 build?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
GE devices soon
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Google Play Games app launches today, provides a portal for tablet gamers

Tons of games are being showed including A8

GPU 4x T3, CPU 1.8x T3
[One (M7) General] bobsie41:
Chrome cast dongle retailing at $35. WOW :laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/android-4-3-jelly-bean-1160480
[One (M7) General] MrKaon:
I loved the idea of Chrome cast.