yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
By the looks of it yea. They had a meeting a while ago about it. So I don't think we will see that gaming improvement with 4.3
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
wrong, those drivers are still not released, depressing when HTC staff gets it wrong like this, in the meeting they mentioned modified drivers

and here is the proof

we sadly have to wait....like always

lets hope we can solve it in xda
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Digital Foundry: Mobile Kepler revealed: morepowerful than current-gen console?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Tegra 5 in Nexus 7 3? :)
[One (M7) General] py_martinez:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION],

What do you thing of the brand oppo find 5, and 7 that is coming ?

Lot of people seems to be interested by the nexus 7, the nexus 4, but nobody speaks about the last oppos :confused:

On the paper they seems very good and cheap, what do you think ?

Envoyé depuis mon HTC One avec Tapatalk
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
It's not really nobody, people in China like it a lot, and they simply ignore the nexus devices.
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
The new Oppo 7 has a 4000mAh battery, I'm interested.

-Sent from Marino's One-
[One (M7) General] RoachPapa:
But ble is already integrated, or? I played 1h with my raikkoo Bluetooth dance speaker and got no drain. So I think this is already finished. :)

Gesendet von meinem HTC One mit Tapatalk 2
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
She probably meant that the One support these on the hardware level, which is true obviously.

They're supported, but not with the current software.
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Got this reply from her :)

[MENTION=2291887]ste1164[/MENTION] cause it wasn't official. but the capability is there, we did a demo awhile ago .

And this [MENTION=2291887]ste1164[/MENTION] not sure it wasn't enabled sooner, 4.3 isn't required for it to work
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
during the demo they said it clearly that they are using a modified drivers; to be released later; she must be confusing what they have and what the public have, antutu detects ES3.0 on the Nexus 7 and doesn't do the same in the One and I have the stock kernel by the way
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
s4pro benched on the N7

Adreno 320 scoring the same as our device on 4.2.2, same results between native and offscreen, s600 should score a little higher but we won't know until we have s600 on 4.3 benched

www.arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07...ce-preview-a-huge-speed-upgrade-in-every-way/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One build quality issues update from modaco

www.modaco.com/page/news/_/android/htc-one-build-quality-issues-update-r1192
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
I cant remember but wasnt the demo with a HTC One running 4.1.2? They could have been modified then but added in the 4.2.2 update?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
guys it makes no sense really, apps should be able to see the API in the OS, otherwise they will not activate it

just like antutu fails to see it (but it does on the N7) any game will fail to see it as well and won't enable those features

like I said the HTC dev team has it enabled maybe but it's internal, apps will need to know that they are running in this this specific condition

in other words apps will need to be optimized for the HTC One specifically in order to make use of it

eitherway non official support is like no support, we need the 4.3 update
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Oh I see your point. Yea I think waiting for 4.3 on the one will help. Then hopefully Paul will put it in his rom so I can test it.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
but here is an idea maybe we can fool build.prop?

edit: nevermind even the ES3 libGLESv3.so are not in there, she is wrong I'm afraid

more here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2343657
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
Then should properly inspect each device before sending it off. It seems HTC's quality assurance ends with checking that the components are working as expected - fit and finish doesn't seem to figure in.

Remember when HTC had a reputation for unbeatable quality, back in the WinMo, early Android days? They've really dropped the ball, and it's hurt them, and it's hurt us.
[One (M7) General] joewong1991:
Google play games app is out

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.play.games
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ok so we can easily fool build.prop into ES3.0 but we still need the driver files

tomorrow I'll download them from n4 or n7 nexus release and try them out
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
I was scratching my head as well when you were giving me examples of the keplar in Logan by showing me 640m le demos think hasn't Logan got 192 cores compared to 384 cores of edge pro. So we expect performance to be below Intel 4000 which means we won't be able to play pc game quality even at 720p resolution with everything set to low :( we shouldn't really be upset we never expected edge pro performance on a mobile because of power and heat restraints, although we will be able to play game console quality games which isn't bad either tbh we only expected the year 2014 to be when gpu's are as powerful as 8-9 year old consoles that being said Qualcomm may just prove that keplar mobile is just a marketing word If they cook something up better, even if nvidia are ahead gpu wise next year Qualcomm will only be a little behind and considering they are not a gpu business that itself is a achievement. Nvidia should atleast be one year ahead of the competition sue to them being a gpu company so I actually feel disappointed that a gpu company is only ever so slightly head like the project shield versus a s800, the s800 pulls ahead despite the shield having a fan :what:
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
i have a silly question, does the HTC One has a increasing ring function? its so loud for call rings at even 40% volume.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Lenovo's first Snapdragon 800 phone leaked as the K6 or X910
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes because nvidia got me all confused, when they first announced Logan in the Nvidia Road map meeting they hinted at 2 SMX units, especially in the kayla development baord, but it ended up just one, im sure they have improvements to bring more performance per core but i have switched my position from excited to skeptic

by the time Logan arrives, in terms of performance it might be matched by the competition and all this promise of massive lead will fail

with that being said, Nvidia has a major advantage here and that is software / API support, mobile kepler can run every graphics trick in the book, making even console ports easy so if for example adreno 420 is still stuck at ES3.0, game specifically made for kepler mobile will look massively better

but i agree with everyone including digital foundry
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Prince of Persia Shadow&Flame

[YOUTUBE]Ki3X1tfGFNM[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
removed
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Sony: Android 4.3 coming to Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia SP and Xperia Z Ultra
[One (M7) General] shox22:
I think you are wrong here. We already have Open Gl es 3.0 (since 4.2.2), but its a buggy version in the v@14.0 drivers

read about here

http://forums.ppsspp.org/showthread.php?tid=4985

https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-opengl-es-3-guide
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes yes you beat me to it, i just figured it out :laugh:

seems v14 is includes ES 3.0

The drivers in Sense 4.2.2, 2.24.401.1:

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3449569)

The drivers in GE 4.2.2, 2.14.1700.15:

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@04.02.02.40.240 (CL@3488607)

for some reason it shows as 3.0 in some of the SGS4s build which i guess it means the leaked 4.3 version

SGS4 drivers

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3486350)

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3544079)

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3579225)

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3290299)

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3430704)

Xperia Z drivers

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@04.02.02.093.010 (CL@3488607)

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@04.02.02.093.020 (CL@3579225)

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@04.02.02.093.061 (CL@3443912)

I found only one instance of v14 in the Nexus GFX benchs, seems custom

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@14.0 (GIT@Iabe52cfaeae4c5fab1acacfe6f056ba15fa93274)

Seems the implementation is still in early days though...

so whatever boost the N4 is getting due to v14 in 4.3, supposedly we already have it [MENTION=2291887]ste1164[/MENTION]
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Oh right so was leigh right in the end?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yup and i was wrong :(

anyway according to the dolphin emulator developer, its very buggy at this stage
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Nah that's fine :) I can see why you would think that.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The cool bit i was able to flash the v6 drivers from the Qualcomm website (Released 23 of April) they still didnt push newer files on their website

i was also able to flash the GE drivers, but had no luck with the Nexus 4 4.3 drivers

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3449569) - 4.2.2 2.24.x Sense

TRex offscreen 15fps

Egypt offscreen 41fps

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@04.02.02.40.240 (CL@3488607) - 4.2.2 2.17x GE

TRex offscreen 15fps

Egypt offscreen 41fps

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@6.0 AU@04.02.02.60.051 (CL@2997615) - qualcomm website

TRex offscreen 14fps

Egypt offscreen 34fps

so its good to know we can change drivers but maybe s4pro drivers are incompatible with s600

curiously our drivers have the OpenCL/OpenVG library, but i couldnt find them in the Nexus 4 4.3 files
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Anandtech: What's New in Android 4.3
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
To all the people complaining about how OEMs haven't announced 4.3 updates for the devices

guess the moral here is never to buy a new device with a year old SOC ;)

actually come to think of it, this might be a qualcomm fault, because it happens more often on snapdragon devices
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Samsung SHV-E330S Galaxy S4 appears on GL Benchmark with S800

Trex offscreen: 26.3fps

Trex onscreen: 26.6fps

Egypt offscreen: 68.2fps

Egypt onscreen: 53.2fps
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Moto XT1058 and XT1056

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Motorola+XT1056&testgroup=overall

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Motorola+XT1058&testgroup=overall

same Adreno drivers as the HTC One GE, OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@04.02.02.088.005 (CL@3488607)

They are benched at 720 onscreen only, still the results are higher than the nexus 4 on 4.3

they are matching s800 levels in onscreen (onscreen 720p vs 1080p)

Trex onscreen: 26.5fps

Egypt onscreen: 53.8fps

most likely the GPU is running at 450mhz on the X8 or the silicon is further refined

to be honest i think Adreno 320 should have never been pushed to 1080p devices

they are a better match in 720p vs 1080p, a320 for highend 720p devices and a330 for 1080p
[One (M7) General] RoachPapa:
We can use resolution changer and the problem is solved. ;)

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[One (M7) General] jesr:
Demystifying Android 4.3 Jelly Bean

How Android 4.3 Jelly Bean Points Towards A Future Of Google Wearable Devices
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
As long as whatever fixes help with battery life in some form, I'm sold.
[One (M7) General] orderme:
Sometimes I can't follow you... A320 handles current games at 1080p out of box, which is a big deal, you wrote. Also, that performance seems to be more expandable.

Now in conclusion, does that mean the one should have had 720p? because obviously the a330 isn't available yet, but 1080p screen resolution is build in current highend devices? Where's the point you want to figure out, hamdir, mate?

Sent from my HTC One
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
a330 is available now in some country...galaxy s4 lte-a and z ultra etc...

z ultra already available in some part of my country malaysia...

official launch is 1st of aug in here...:laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
plus some games have in-game sliders and many other are capped 720p, so yes it's no biggie

but when you see both gpus match at their ideal resolutions, you kinda wish 1080p was exclusive to s800

eitherway the Nexus 7 is the lead now and it had 1080pish res and a320, so I'm pretty sure upcoming games will be optimized well for our gpu
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 coming to “virtually every global OEM” in the coming months
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
just thinking aloud mate ofcourse current 90% of games run like butter

but when you consider upcoming games with more advanced graphics and APIs every fps counts at 1080p, like I said some games will allow us to scale, other will lock to 720p on their own, which is the most likely future scenario

you know me, I always want more gpu power :)

I'm still hopeful for further improvements from upcoming drivers as well, interested to know which version a330 devices are using at the moment
[One (M7) General] daleski75:
How the Android update process works for OEM's

Interesting article on how the code from google gets to the oem's and it's not how I thought it would work.

http://androidandme.com/2013/07/new...why-manufacturers-are-mostly-quiet-right-now/
[One (M7) General] orderme:
Now I got you!

I get dizzy when hearing those performance jumps, especially thinking at the mobile keppler generation. How many times was it compared to a320 ?

Puh, I'm coming from hox and I'm enjoying the fact that one has a really balanced performance to battery life ratio. For my part, battery should become even more important for development. Because anytime you want to use your flagship instead of thinking, can I play fir some minutes and wait several hours to charge.

Don't get me wrong I also enjoy playing games on one. But heating somehow annoys me.

Sent from my HTC One
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC Fetch, New HTC portable tracking device ‘Fetch’ gets an official render.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
what do you think? are smartphones ever catching up with consoles?

Killzone Mercenary PS Vita ingame screenshots
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Until I read the PS Vita headline I thought it was Deadtrigger 2!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Modaco.Switch is now on Public Beta

http://www.modaco.com/topic/363797-modacoswitch-beta-8-support-topic/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Dolphin Emulator Alpha
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Tempting!

The Nexus 7 has a grogeous screen, seems google finally dealt with their weird LCD calibration issues

the verge review:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/26/4558626/google-nexus-7-review-2013
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
I want a new Nexus 7 so much!
[One (M7) General] theotrman:
Hope this comes to CDMA phones also!

Sent from my (M7WLS) HTC ONE.
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Eurgh, still not into the N7 it looks really nice but I prefer the tablet apps apple has.
[One (M7) General] wednesday13:
Me also. And browsing isn't that smooth using chrome. I prefer iPad mini
[One (M7) General] joewong1991:
Nexus 7.2 available on amazon already thought it was releasing on the 30th

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DVFLJDS...789&creative=9325&linkCode=ur2&tag=droid0c-20
[One (M7) General] barondebxl:
True but once you have it rooted you can install the AOSP browser with flash.
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
Probably just going to hold on to my original N7, it has none of the lag issues people speak of and if I jump on a new tablet, it's going to be the N10.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Well according to anandtech the 4.3 update will improve things for the old Nexus 7 IO bug, due to integrated fstrim support in 4.3

And guess what, the new nexus 7 actually has a new snapdragon 4 pro with Krait 300 and DDR3

So good news everyone it's just an undeclocked s600

anandtech review:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One Mini review by slash gear

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-mini-review-26291821/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Seems the results of Razer Edge on GFXBench website are wrong (maybe benched using power saver mode or using the i4000 inside the i7)

But here we can see how much 2 SMX 384 cores Kepler units @ 500mhz would score, makes much more sense now

So what to expect from 1SMX 500mhz 192 cores in T5

TRex HD offscreen around 46fps

Egypt HD offscreen around 93fps

Compared to

s800 scores 26fps and 68fps

Shield's T4 scores 20fps and 55fps

Almost 2x, matching the i4000, massively better API support and should be OCable as well

I would blindly go with mobile Kepler to be honest just for the desktop API

I expect it to really shine in the GFX bench 3.0

No matter how we look at it, its still an excellent move by Nvidia, brings their very latest architecture to mobile with all its evolution and optimization, lets not forget Kepler is scalable as well so they can simply double performance by adding another SMX just like power VR cores do
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
woot thanks! that checks all my boxes! i am waiting for the LTE version now :D
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
It really is an excellent move by Nvidia, the problem is, will they deliver? Tegra 4 also was a good SoC and here we are and no Tegra 4 in sight. I hope it comes out by the beggining of the year and into a new HTC flagship, i was and i still am really curious about the Chimera technology on the Tegra 4 which enables live HDR preview and the tap-to-track function which locks focus on moving objects and even ajusts exposure accordingly.
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
no wonder the geekbench score 26xx match htc one and higher glbenchmark score too......while xperia z n htc butterfly score 2000 only....
[One (M7) General] jesr:
The Verge HTC ONE vs HTC ONE Mini with beautiful shots
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
Oh my god, what a joke. And the most unbiased website ever is... *drumroll* PhoneArena! /s

Check this out, it made me lose the little respect i had for the website.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Camera-Comparison_id3372#4-HTC-One
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Well their position is pretty well known, especially when it comes to the camera, heck they even preferred the sgs4 as a smartphone, also gsmarena

But virtually eveyone disagrees with them, certainly no where near as bad as they claim, the HTC one camera is unable to give jaw dropping pictures due to its limited pixel count but its the most useful smartphone camera around
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
well worded hamdir - most useful smartphone camera +1 Loving it!
[One (M7) General] jesr:
That article is so biased and unprofessional in so many levels (not just for the ONE) that's just downright outrageous.

I wish someone with technical photography knowledge would write the contraditory and just embarrass/expose these cocky amateurs.

If you want to see a decent comparison check out Technobuffalo's Lumia 1020 vs HTC ONE camera:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/07/25/nokia-lumia-1020-vs-htc-one-camera-comparison/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Well phonearena once used this thread for one of their camera articles, so maybe they are reading your opinions ;)

Interesting info about the slowness of the lumia 1020 camera, something phonearena never cares about

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/07/25/nokia-lumia-1020-vs-htc-one-camera-comparison/
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
Not surprising I'm afraid.

The 1080 uses a MUCH weaker chip than the One, and it has to process nearly 10 times the pixel count.

Sure, the results are incredible, but it has a price obviously.

Another One vs One Mini comparison by Pocketnow:

HTC One Mini vs HTC One

[YOUTUBE]CT4oEAQvlWk[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
This is sort of a big news for all HTC fans in my country

Thanks to new anti smuggling law, we finally have official HTC presence in Lebanon, from what i heard it went to the previously Nokia sole agent: GO MOBILE

Flyers and posters in every mobile shop, update: HTC One ads on highway billboards

The HTC One is selling for 729$ with 1 year official warranty, these are photos are from the display at Carrefour's mobile area, in this case it's selling with a 50$ coupon which you can use to buy in the store, the double flip and dip official covers are selling for 25$ and 18$

Compare this to the previous price of 900$ and +50$ for the covers in black market, and the so called one shop re-seller

This will sound trivial for most of you but believe me this kind of presence was limited to Nokia, Sony, LG and Samsung (apple still out)
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Great to see HTC presence finally! Might take a while to get as big as the rest of the companies but something is better than nothing :) sells for cheaper than in the UK :o
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The HTC One selling for 729$ with the 50$ coupon but i don't know if the gift is specific to carrefour (most likely)

The SGS4 is selling officially for 689$ and unlike the rest of the world, locally the HTC One since launch has settled as the more valuable smartphone hence its still more expensive

about getting big, you are missing the point, the Nokia agent is pretty big and now they have added HTC to their portfolio (ironic when Nokia is a sworn enemy to HTC) i'm not sure Nokia will be ok with this if they are still managing both brands though
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Oh I see I misunderstood. But its still good HTC are there.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Google loves the HTC One

www.theverge.com/2013/7/27/4561326/google-hugo-barra-interview-nexus-7-android-tablets
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION], that is great news.. The official counters looks exactly the same in Dubai in many stores, but not all have them.

Middle east has such biased sellers in my opinion and only when the product does well, they market it and keep it in stock.

i am surprised over the availability of accessories, i am not sure if we have it yet in UAE - Got to check on them.

Prices - Yes H1 is 200AED (~50$) more than S4 on date. I remember S4 launched at 2699 or 2799 and now its 2399 or 2499 (AED). H1 is holding up its value - may be because HTC is still keeping the rates high and probably samsung can manage to sell it little cheaper?
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
It would seem so many popular reviews is helping the One not drop value as quickly as most phones but the S4 still seems more expensive on your craiglists, etc.
[One (M7) General] mazinya:
Damn you HTC One Google play edition for being so expensive. I can never pay $600 for a phone and I wanted the play edition soooo bad! bummer
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
??? get the normal edition, unlock it and install project switch or install the Google edition rom from the forum
[One (M7) General] mazinya:
The normal edition is just as expensive as the play edition. I was hoping that the play edition would be much much cheaper, but obviously its not. I currently own the Sensation, but I wont pay $600 for a phone and it looks like prices arnt going down soon.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
and i guess you don't have the options of a contract phone.
[One (M7) General] mazinya:
Nope, no contract options in my country. I'll have to fork out the whole $600 at once. I love HTC phones, but all their flagship phones comes with insane prices. Its always around the $600 which IMHO its an insane amount (and is no different than GS 4 and others). Im just bummed because I love their devices. Anyway, just a rant. I'll probably have to go for the much cheaper Nexus 4
[One (M7) General] dvsk69:
Well, they should allow HTC to make the next Nexus5 due in Oct/Nov.

Build quality like the One and a Nexus, am in on day one!! Unfortunately, looks like it will be LG again.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
My phones locked with J15 CID - i received an bug fix update just now - Application update, i did not wait for the detail and clicked download and install and the detail screen vanished. i don't know what got updated. Anyone? i was in the latest 4.2.2 previously. The software number remains 2.24.401.1 .. Anyone know what this update was?
[One (M7) General] Nokiacrazi:
Maybe Google Keyboard works now?
[One (M7) General] jlevy73:
I agree, the original HTC Nexus is still one of my favorite devices I ever owned. It's what really cemented my love for Android. But you're probably right, rumors circulating look like it will be LG.