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[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
It's like trying to talk to a deaf man, it can be really hard.

Specially when you don't talk sign language (his language)

It will be really hard to put some other ideas in his mind.:p
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Im gonna walk into Hyundai tomorrow and tell them how Nissan is better :) lol
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
I pity him, he's decided this phone isn't for him so he just wants people to buy into his idea so he can feel personally satisfied that he has made right decision.

What reason is there for him to stay in a forum for a phone he is not interested in buying.
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
It's incredible. People still walk around with Blackberry's, old iPhone's, very old Nokia's, etc. So many people don't have money for a flagship phone.

And here, I see people going mad on the subject Xperia Z vs HTC One. Do you realise that both phone's are AMAZING. Stop for a moment and realise so many people have old, crappy phone's, low end phones.

It's like we are talking about Ferrari vs Lamborghini, while most people are driving simple normal cars. This year, ALL FLAGSHIP phone's are very close to each other. Like I have said many times, after years it finally comes down to personal preference. There isn't one phone that out performs the other anymore (for example: the Galaxy S2 which just was better then it's competition 2 years ago, smooth 1080p flash playback in the browser, others just couldn't do that). That S600 processor in the One won't do ANYTHING the XZ can't, both have very powerfull CPU's (and they have the exact same GPU).

In the end it comes down to personal preference (yes, design, UI) and if you like the One's design and HTC Sense, then good, buy that device. I don't like the One's design (build quality is something else, that's very good). I think there is a lot of wasted space around the screen, I think the HTC logo between the button's is just horrible.

I like the XZ design and it's UI. End of story. There is NO BETTER device this year. They all perform extremely fast and smooth, they all take great pictures, they all show the pictures on a beautiful large 1080p display, they all can use the same apps from the play store. The differences are too small to matter more then personal preference.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I agree about 90%. But what happens is that people are discussing the Xperia Z, then you have a couple of fanboys who come out of nowhere and say things like "the Xperia z is the best phone ever, the HTC one sucks cause its not waterproof, the S IV will suck anyway cause its made out of plastic "blah blah blah so of course the HTC and Samsung guys are gonna respond to that. Then Sony guys come and say " well it's the XpEria z forum, why do you come here and bash the Sony" some childish sh*t
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Your probably referring me in that last bit:p. But it's not justified.

That's because I've said it to one MAEDHROOS, who has decided a long time ago that he will not buy this phone because it doesn't meet his expectations but he loves slating anyone who says anything good about it.

usually it's Sony have failed this...Sony has failed that.... HTC are the ones who are meeting all expectations....Sony has released an outdated device - that's the best one!!

It gets kind of annoying, I was spending days on this forum just browsing and then I lost it!!!

My point is why spend all your time criticizing a phone you have DECIDED NOT TO BUY??

Its not a bad phone. I like it but others may not. Its all personal preference
[Xperia Z General] Timaustin2000:
Agree 100%.

By the by, however, now that I have the Z I can say this:

I would be genuinely impressed if the One actually did sound better than the Xperia Z: Music on the Z sounds fantastic through headphones. Clear Audio + is very much like Beats but it's far better balanced. If you like the Beats-y sound, use that. If you don't, don't: it's all good.

I'd be happy to concede if the One does sound better but I tell you this: it's got a serious fight on its hands.
[Xperia Z General] justgotusedto1.1:
I have loved HTC for years, owned a Tytn, touch Dual, Sensation XE, Htc One X and so on. I got my XZ yesterday. To my mind, in there own way, they are or were, all great phones. The One X was quite simply the best phone I've ever owned. The XZ has surpassed it. The HTC One will be a great phone. I just preferred the Sony's styling. And it's great that Sony, who set the trend for Walkmans and TVs way back when, are back in the mix. I also have a MacBook Air and an ipad 3. My wife has an iPhone 5. I love them all, not so much the iPhone TBH, it's being left behind Android IMHO, but it's still a very good phone.

My point is that it would be so much better if we all talked about the positives instead of the negatives. Which phone is best is just semantics. We are at the stage in technological development where it's now just down to personal preference.
[Xperia Z General] stiffi2011:
Somebody said it about a particular user that they come here to justify their decision not to buy. Ill argue that's the same motivation we al have for being on this board. Myself, as a US resident unwilling to wait, I just bought a galaxy note 2. Now I check back everyday to tell myself it was the right choice. That I really am not missing anything. Ill probably keep coming back till either I get bored, I trade my Note 2, or get sucked into the marketing machine of whatever the "next great" phone is..
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Good idea, but will you spend your time trying to tell everyone how rubbish everything about this device is? Coz that would annoy people wouldn't it? Especially if you don't own it therefore dont have first hand experience of it.
[Xperia Z General] mentalmorg:
Hey, after owning this phone for one day i can really say i was very dissapointed with it! The battery life was terrible, i got it down to 50% in 4 hours with moderate use! The in-call speaker quality was really bad also, giving a light distortion and very hard to stay talking for too long. However the walkman feature was amzing, the quality through the headphones were great. Sadly though this was not enough for me to keep the phone, so i took it back today. Dont know what to get now though. Im getting fed up of Android, with each company trying to out do the other, my phone does this my phone does that my phone can **** a rainbow! Seriously thinking about getting an iphone something i thought i would never say!....Sad times!
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Which one can s**t a Rainbow?.....i'm having that one!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
50% battery after 4 hours on your first day is actually really good.... the phone battery life significantly increases during standby (and when using aswell) after a few days. It's because your phone needs to build up the cache which allows it to load everything far quicker without working harder for it. Therefore wasting less battery.

In regards to the other things...well if it isn't upto your standards then maybe this phone isn't right for you. Try it a couple days and give it a chance though. Everytime I get a new phone theres many things that annoy me but a lot of it is about personally adjusting yourself.
[Xperia Z General] mentalmorg:
Haha, im sure it was the slogun of one of the companies. "This phone is so amazing it craps rainbows, all you have to do is find the pot of gold"? Well if it wasnt, it should of been! ;)

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Well i did not know that. To be honest it scared me the battery life being so bad. Im a hgv driver part of a 2 man crew, so im ont the road anything up to 15 hours a day. So i need the battery life to at least try to get me through the day. I know granted there arent many that do, but im serious when i say this phone lost 20% chargse in 2 hours on standby with me just turning it on now and then when i died in Dota :silly:
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Let your phone fully discharge and charge to full for at least 4 continuous cycles and it should help. But to be honest no smartphone will get to 15 hours with heavy use. But that's with heavy use. Im a taxi driver so my phone is my best friend hence I'm always using it.

solution is car charger, buy a car USB adaptor off eBay for a couple of pounds and use your existing USB cable and there you have it- unlimited battery:D
[Xperia Z General] :
My update

I posted here before as I went for an Iphone 5 instead. Here is my update.

I returned the iphone back to the Apple store (14 day) and managed to pre-order the Xperia Z on the last day of the promotion! Here is why (off course all my opinion):

-The Iphone was a pleasure to use. Everything worked flawlessly. Battery could have been better but never the less, a reliable and easy to use smartphone. However, even with the recent modifications, it is still rather locked down and despite the browser performing excellently, the screen size is just too small for power users.

-I was going to leave my smartphone purchase till late spring or even summer; but I saw the Sony promotions team in Carphone Warehouse and they demonstrated the phone and I got another chance (35 minutes!) to play with it again. It was a different experience! The speaker worked well (where as before I stated it was sub-par/ adequate) and the calls were not muffled this time. When they did it dunk it in water and took it out, the speaker sounded worse (obviously), but was ok again (after 10 minutes or so). Could that be the reason the phone in I tried in the Sony store sounded terrible? They too were dunking it in water and perhaps it was too soon? Also there was no lag at all and the chrome browser was excellent. The camera performed much better too. It is so strange as the one I tried in Sony was only a few days ago!

-Anyhow I was assured enough to decide to go for it again and pre-ordered with the Sony retail store for the same promotion as the online one! Just in time too as they were about to close. I also paid an extra £99 to get the MDR headphones with NFC.

-The store staff in the Sony store (as friendly as they are) did'n't seem to trained well in the XZ. Their strengths were the laptops, camera's etc.. This is what Apple get exactly right and it explains their phenomenal success and customer loyalty. The stores and staff know their stuff. Most of my knowledge comes from the members on these forums and a couple of reviews here and there. I should be able to go to a Sony store, experience a reliable product sample and have my questions answered by the staff. I was not aware that the Sony stores (in the UK) are franchise stores. They are completely separate to the web store (who they compete with and price match). They also said the phone has 1 year warranty with them (although 24 month in paperwork?) so not sure how that works. If I could, i would have just gone for the web promotion in time as they even offer full returns. Sony retail offer only exchange or credit note if you want to return.

-Final few words: Sony mobile can afford to market the product extremely well and send dozens of reps into stores (Carphone, O2 etc..). Even though the Sony stores are franchises, they carry the Sony name and should be promoting and representing the products in a better way then they currently are. If Carphone offered the same promotion, I would have purchased from them.

:cowboy:
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Welcome back :)

Hope you will enjoy it :)
[Xperia Z General] CodeNil:
I did the same thing. Decided on the ONE.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
F***ing phones4u!!!:mad::mad::mad:

They have let me down. looks like I'm not gonna get this phone anymore. :(:(

They've messed up my upgrade order. They're blaming o2 for apparently changing their tariffs. Even though o2 still offer the tariff on their website (now at £27 month due to 3.6% inflation rise) been on phone all morning but they now only offering a higher tariff but more annoyingly, no headphones!! Even though I was provided this as part of my upgrade offer!

Kicking up a fuss but doesn't look like I'm gonna get anywhere. Gotta wait and see but doesn't look like I'm gonna get this phone anymore.

I might just get a rolling sim only only with three and then wait to see what Sony offer in summer. I can't stand HTC after sensation or one s. Both were crap. Have had same problems with Samsung and buggy firmware. Hopefully Sony offer another killer phone early summer.

OH THE DISAPPOINTMENT! :screwy:
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Sorry to hear that dude, that's a massive sh##er! :(
[Xperia Z General] paul-c:
The Z looks so good, but in the end I just know that I like smaller phones and I need to stop kidding myself. The ZL is ok, but it's still a big phone, and I just don't like the design of the back at all. I've decided to go with the Xperia V as a compromise. The 720p 4.3 inch screen is more up my alley. My hope is that eventually Sony makes a smaller phone that has the same design language as the Z.

Sent from my Motorola RAZR i
[Xperia Z General] take55:
AW: Hmmm might cancel my Xperia z pre order

The rumor points at just that:

Sony c670x leak http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/03/0...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)

though I wonder how much more compact a 4.8" mobile will be...
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
And the cycle continues...

Hear rumor of New device -> start speculations -> put off buying new phone to wait for "that awesome rumored phone" -> wait 3 months as rumors and leaks start piling up -> build up huge expectations -> device is officially announced -> eagerly troll the web for reviews/previews -> book/pre-order -> wait for about a month for device to be released/available -> another phone announced/leaked -> start to question your booking/pre-order -> back to step 1

:)
[Xperia Z General] take55:
AW: Hmmm might cancel my Xperia z pre order

haha, exactly...

That's why I can't wait to hold the ZL in my hands and finish the business. :D
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Haha spot on!
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
call it what you want, doesn't change the fact that in order to have long term and quick CM support you need the kernel source.

edit:

I have high hopes for the One as it don't use nvidia h/w and this might speed up things
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Yes, a fanboy or someone who wants to try something different (you never know). I just don't understand those nonsense arguments about Sony having better Dev support than all other OEM, which is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. First of all Dev support doesn't stop at aosp. There are themes, apps, kernels, Roms, mods, fixes, patches you Name it. There's not one single sony phone that has better Dev support than the One X, which makes that argument stupid. Second is this big deal about the XZ and waterproof. Don't get me wrong I think its a great feature, but what are the chances of someone dropping their phone in water vs dropping them? Drop resistant is what I would prefer, something that can happen on a daily basis vs dropping your phone in a liquid, which never happened to me in more than 16 years owning a cell phone.

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I understand but my point is Dev support doesn't stop at CM and aosp.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Fair enough, for me it does as I don't care about customization and or tweaks.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
it's funny because the same people going gaga over the One will do the exact same when the GS4 is announced - hence leading to another flame war.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I hear you. But wouldn't you like an enhanced version of the stock ROM on the XZ? With better battery life and lag free plus additional features? That's what I really look for when I buy a phone, I guess i m speaking for my self cause when I buy a Samsung, Sony or HTC , its also because of the custom ui. If that ui has some issues, i like it fixed in a custom ROM.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I think I will have to cancel my pre order, simply because the One has much better h/w so it would be kind of silly to buy a clearly lesser device. Also investment wise I think it is better since there is a real good probability that the Z will plument in price in the coming months, just like the XT and other Xperia's.

a pity dough since I really liked the look and I was almost ready to forgive the sub par screen :)

I have to sleep over it
[Xperia Z General] rkial:
Non removable 2300mah.. The only real let down for me.

One X+ had 2100 and it didnt last as long as the S3.

This will have a 1080p display too..

S4 to be unveiled in less than 4 weeks too..
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I have bad memories of the type of rom when I had the Hero and the Desire, besides that CM is most of the time quicker with Android version updates

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for me that is not a problem as I have an unhealthy and posibly non rational hate towards TouchWizz and Samsung design
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
They are pretty much identical (as are most of the tech in the world), so unless HTC has a much better screen with an equal battery life I will get HTC instead of Sony.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
the sad thing is, the Xperia Z isn't even out yet!

Sony is going to release an outdated phone.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Xperia Z was out already since beginning on this month, but many places are not getting this phone until March and even Canada has to wait until April to get the Xperia ZL.

really this is a huge fail and I hope Sony fails badly for their stupid decisions.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Aluminum unibody

Better processor (Sony has a last gen processor)

Superior Camera

Superior Screen

Not even close to identical my friend :D
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Best camera? Do you remember all the hype on the Z camera?

Sometime on paper doesn't make better on real life...
[Xperia Z General] emorej:
im sticking with the xperia z..htc one is great great things to offer..but xperia z has some great things too..
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
The HTC one looks like an ion or xperia P from the back but the front isn't as nice as the P or S, so I think the Z has it beat soundly in the looks department. Symmetry is what makes everything look good and the Xperia Z is pure symmetry.

The One looks weird to me.

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Aluminum unibody is only a pro in I sheep land.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I respect that

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Good thing is its a matter of preference
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
YEAH, great things like like washed out screen and inferior specs...
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
Actually, the Z has nicer build quality, its super thin and waterproof and dust proof. I said wow when I saw the Sony design. I said meh when I saw the HTC One design.

As far as why anyone would choose Sony. Well, I had two Sony phones and 4 HTC phones. The only 4 phones that I have had serious issues with were the HTC phones and I hear many accounts of the same thing happening to other people. So yeah, I would logically buy any Sony over any HTC and I am not even a Sony fan.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
According to the Verge, the screen on the One makes the Zs screen look dated before its even out.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4003728/htc-one-launch-announcement

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Huh? U realize HTC was the first to make an aluminum unibody?

Talk about uninformed hater/sheep. How ironic lol.

Hm.... sure.

And btw, that reasoning isn't deductively valid.
[Xperia Z General] redThd:
XZ also has its advantages over HTC One:

- same size phone while having bigger screen

- water/dust proof

- sd card slot

- (probably) better battery life (screen tech.)

There, I prefer the Z.

Also I'm taking the Z's screen size over one's speakers. Using foxl g2 bluetooth speaker - any ext. speaker will be preferable to the phone's ones.
[Xperia Z General] emorej:
You got it, I was thinking for long about that backing of htc one and its famillar too, And yeah its resembles the back of some xperia device like ION and P..the diamond cut edge is from iphone and top and bottom bezels is fron BBZ10 but its looks hybrid of the two and much better..But at 9.3mm thick I think Xperia Z still has something to be proud of at 7mm plus thick and the clean back. I found the display of HTC one as superior as shown on videos, buts im okey with the Xperia z..Im still sticking with the XZ..
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
You're a moron because it doesn't matter if HTC came out with an aluminum body first, it is still something only loser ifans would champion. I guess it is now something loser HTC fans champion now too. What happened to the polycarbonate unibody love fest for the One X? Oh yeah, I forgot that HTC fans are stupid like maehdros and flip flop everywhere.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
like One x design, not sure what happen here with the One, not really feeling it.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Huh...? Lol why are u being so aggressive?

Who said anything about flip flopping? When the One X was release myself, as well as other criticized the choice of materials being plastic.

I'm not a fan boy, I am simply someone who recognizes a superior product.

You sir, on the other hand, are a fan boy. Blindly defending a device which is clearly inferior and obsolete.

And, there is no reason to act passive aggressive. Only a fool would say an aluminum unibody is a bad thing.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
I'm a tech geek who happens to be a designer.

From a design perspective, in my opinion, the htc one looks gorgeous from the front.. but the double chamfered edge (seriously, too much bling in a 4mm side) and the many lines going through to the back makes it look over-designed and busy IMO. I like the black one better because it sort of hides all these extravagances.

I prefer the stark, clean and minalistic overall look of the XZ, hands down. Also, I like the close-to-stock Sony UI much better, and the sony music and gallery apps are beautifully designed compared to what HTC offers.

But that's just my subjective opinion - looking at them objectively and studying the facts reveals that the HTC One's screen, camera, sound and performance blow the Xperia Z out of the water - it makes it seem very last gen-ish.

So for me, it's a battle between design and engineering. I can only decide when i handle them both for myself.

But for people who think that the HTC One has a better design, well, there really is NO contest then.
[Xperia Z General] stiffi2011:
What announcement were you watching? Ugh, so disappointed. I was looking forward to this event for weeks. Like waiting for Christmas. The results are so lame, however. The camera was supposed to be the defining feature right? So they show us 1 sample photo, 1! It sounds like maybe the camera is not as advanced as they had hoped and were trying to sidestep it as a main feature. Blinkfeed stole the show and that is not very exciting for me. I have spent the last year trying to find ways to Kill background Android apps in order to save battery. So HTC introduces an automatic service that they admit cannot be turned off. Darn. it WAS so promising.

I am now more than ever interested in the Sony Xperia z. My only holdup is the release date in the US. If I could get my hands on one for face value I'd buy it now. All I can find are expensive imports, though. That alone may force me to just pick up a Galaxy Note II. I know, perish the thought!
[Xperia Z General] Jedi2011:
I'm not making ANY decisions until the Galaxy S4 is formally announced. But unless it comes with an attachment that performs oral sex upon me, the HTC One is where I'll be spending my money.

I'm frustrated because the XZ was ticking all my boxes, but having seen the screen in real life and seeing how its colours are more washed out and lacking contrast than my current HTC Sensation - never mind how awful it looks next to the One X and One X+ - it's ruled itself out for me. Cos let's face it, the one component of any phone that gets the most use is the screen.