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[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
I finally saw the XZ in a store today in Holland and: i'm NOT cancelling my pre-order. The XZ is coming to me this monday as was planned.

The screen is much better then I expected with all the negativity on the internet. It's very sharp, large and beautiful. And when I watched the pre-loaded video: it was AMAZING. With the idea that devs will improve the XZ over time, the screen is not a worry at all. Even if there would be no progress regarding the screen: it's really good enough (and I'm "anal" about my phones lol, as in I really want my phone to be almost perfect)

The performance is just fast and smooth: there is not going to change a lot regarding performance this year. Like I have been saying for a while, we have reached that point where performance wise all phone's are just as good.

The camera seemed at least as good as on my Galaxy S3, I really didn't have the time to check it out a lot. Though the camera interface is really nice in real life, really smooth and good.

The build quality/design: fantastic.

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On the other hand: the HTC One has not really impressed me. At first it did and I though for a few minutes to cancel my pre-order, but then after further analyse I didn't like it so much anymore. The design is good and bad. It's build quality is high, but the design I don't like as much as the XZ. When looking closely at the front, you can just see there is a lot of "space" around the screen, which is wasted imo. I don't need 2 speakers on my phone. Also, what's up with putting your logo BETWEEN THE BUTTONS, htc? I mean come on, that just feels wrong. I don't want to be touching your logo so much.

Spec wise: it's a newer Snapdragon 600 chip, but again performance wise the One won't out do the Z. In real life performance, everything with the S4 Pro and up will be the same IMO. It's all smooth and fast. The camera? We will have to see how that "ultrapixel" camera will do, though it's heavily software based.

So while the XZ might not be perfect, the HTC One is not an alternative that I see as better.

As for the Galaxy S4: I don't expect any major changes in the design department from Samsung so that is a no from the start. I really want a beautiful/different phone this year: don't need any "Octa core" processors.

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Conclusion: Give me my Sony Xperia Z.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
I disagree. The new 600 chip is superior to the S4 Pro.

Just by saying it won't have better performance discredits anything you have to say about phone hardware.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
That's the WASHED OUT SCREEN :p. ROFL
[Xperia Z General] afrojoc:
Since this isn't coming out through AT&T I won't be getting it. I also can't afford to pay 800 upright for a cellphone. Also the lack of development for my TL is quite a turnoff too so I don't think Sony is my thing lol. Waterproof is nice but... Idk I'm gonna get a galaxy note 2 for now..
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
Lol, ok then. You didn't understand my point then. Yes, the Snapdragon 600 is evidently better then the S4 Pro (or 400 like it's called now). There is a what, 30-40% performance boost and it consumes less battery? Very nice.

But really, where the **** will you notice it? The past 2 years I was all about processors, because it actually Mathered. The Galaxy S2 could just handle 1080 flash videos back in it's time and it's processor was clearly the best that year. Last year, the difference between the S3 (exynos 4412 quad) and the HTC One X (Tegra 3) was still there, but the gap was smaller.

This year, the difference is almost 0. I mean if we put an Xperia Z and a HTC One next to each other and do what users do 90% of the time when using a phone: use the homescreen, watch a 1080p video, open youtube and play a vid, open some other apps and play a 3D game, do you think we will see difference? I think there will be none, since the S4 Pro provides fantastic performance. And if there is a difference, it will be so freakin small that it just doesn't matter anymore.

I have moved from on paper specs to real life performance and if it really matters. IMO, the fact that the HTC One has an Snapdragon 600 chip is not something to WOW me and make me buy it instead of the Z. The screen on the One that's a big plus for the device, not the Snapdragon 600 chip. At least for me, everybody sees things differently.

edit: I forgot to mention that the S4 Pro (400) and the 600 both have the same Adreno 320 GPU, at least as far as I know.
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
Yes,the processor is a little better.

Camera,with 4mpx better than sony's 13mpx? NO.

And the screen is better for 4-5 ppi..that's nothing.

But the Sony will fall on the floor,nothing will happen.

The HTC will fall,and it will be chipped like hell. ;)

Sent from a HTC One S
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Thanks for your honest feedback, I'm glad to hear the screen issues have been blown out of proportion and you are happy with it.

I've seen it twice now and will go see it again tomorrow, but from what I have seen of it, it's a beautiful phone! I'm looking forward to having a higher ppi screen of my Note 2; which is really the only downside to it I feel.

Totally agree real world use you won't see a difference, only game playing or photo/video editing will be quicker maybe by a second or two, but really....
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
There is noticable lag in devices with the S4 Pro when many apps are open. This may be fixed with the 600 chipset.

I think battery performance we will see a difference too.
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
What people call "lag" can be very different. For somebody a micro-second lag can be "lag", for others that is something so small it wouldn't even be noticed. I know I am on XDA and people here see things differently as mainstream users.

I don't want to say that I have become a total "mainstream" user, but I am slowely changing what I look for in a smartphone. It's a personal thing. I really want a beautiful phone and the Z is exactly what I want. For the past years I looked only for raw performance and on-paper specs. Now what I am about to say might sound a bit "Apple", but I am now looking for a complete experience. The Z is the only device that offers me that from the 3 flagships of H1 2013. I really like the Nexus 4 as well but it's not sold in The Netherlands and it lacks some important things (like 4G which I really want to start using + microsd support).

The Z just looks fantastic imo, is also good spec wise (Quad Core S4 Pro + Adreno 320 GPU + 2GB RAM), offers microsd support, has a good camera, NFC, 4G, larger battery then my S3. Since I hardly play any full 3D games, these specs will be just fine. I doubt any game uses all the power of the S4 Pro...

And again, I realise the Z isn't perfect but then again, what else? HTC One, no (don't like Sense, don't like the design of the phone). Galaxy S4, no (the chance that Samsung will make something as beautiful as the Z is very very small). The Nexus 4 lacks some important things and isn't even officialy sold in my country.

This is just my opinion and I hope people respect it. Since this thread is mainly about "getting the Z or not", I post my thoughts about this.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Noticeable lag? Which phones did you use to say that?

If a lot of apps are open and the phone starts to lag it's not cpu problem, because all the others are suspended when in background! That happens when you have your entire RAM occupied! Since the Z has 2GB and there is no phone with more than that...don't see a problem here ;)

And about the 600...It really is faster (in synthetic benchmarks mostly) and it consumes less power! But you know why? It's not all optimizations...

The 600 lacks radio chip! The radio chip on the HTC One is a separate chip that can consume more power in combinations...Only testing we can be shore!

And for that fact, HTC used a "poor" radio chip and as far as I know LTE is only supported on the 800Mhz...which is VERY POOR!!!
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Headphone offer had disappeared from carphone warehouse:(

I was being lazy and was going to order tomorrow. O well might as well order this outdated phone anyway. Looks like at least another 1000 "idiots" did the same :confused:
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Damn thats a shame!

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[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
What did you expect ordering a week before release? You have had since the beginning of Feb and you decide to order now rofl. You gotta be in it to win it, or in this case to get it.
[Xperia Z General] stiffi2011:
Here's my 2 cents. Not getting the phone any longer. I was whole heartedly into it during the announcement. If it as already out in the US I probably would have bought it. Then I got excited about the HTC One, but the announcement yesterday left me thoroughly unimpressed.

I've now come to the conclusion that nothing out this "cycle" is a quantum leap improvement over the "last" flagships from each company. .I just picked up an unlocked LG Optimus 4x HD and I'm going to use that for a while.

Maybe real world results will show the Z is revolutionary after all and by that time it will be readily available in the US. At that time I'll reconsider. I just couldn't justify spending what I would need to in order to import an unlocked version.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Yeah but I've been an idiot coz of my dilemma regarding upgrade. Im not able to upgrade till 4th march. So I've been thinking whether to order new contract with o2 and having to then port my number back and forth or switch networks. Basically been looking for a good deal elsewhere but couldn't find one as good as ther carphone warehouse o2 £26 deal. Still going to get it I think but now I have more thinking time:D headphones would have been nice.
[Xperia Z General] windozeanti:
HTC always have problems with their phones. Their QC is horrible. Their customer service sucks. I would choose Sony if I were you. The choice is yours.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
the lack of SD card and their previous QC as well as the still 4.7 inch screen was the dealbreaker for me, also they just copied, iphone, Xperia P and BB Z10 all into one phone, lol, it is a nice phone but ense 5 is a cartoon toy
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I posted a few days ago about my Phones4u O2 upgrade, how I managed to get them to match the CPW upgrade that I already pre-ordered, and knock off the £100 handset price. Therefore the £26 per month deal you are talking about minus the £100 handset price, PLUS he confirmed the headphones were in stock still for the deal. May be worth finding out if they still have them in right now. But personally I will get this and if I don't like it I can sell both the phone + headphones and it will cover the cost for a HTC One Sim free. At the end of the day I sold my S3 because it was terribly bad with its 1gb ram. Need a new phone and I guess if you're happy with your current device then just keep it.
[Xperia Z General] Fasty12:
Handtec is 414 pounds which equals 650 dollars
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Ordered phone in white. Mine is a "upgrade preorder" though because I'm not allowed to upgrade before 3rd march. So I couldn't make them budge on handset price. Got it for 26 per month but only managed to talk down to 89 for. handset, which I went for instead of cpw because at least I still get headset.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
link?
[Xperia Z General] millicent:
Google handtec UK, first result

Sent from a galaxy far away..
[Xperia Z General] nasiayam:
oh damn that xperia z display, i was thinking of watching a movie on it with all my friends, looks like i need to get the better phone that have a 360 degree viewing angle *cough cough ;)
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Just buy 8 of them than it shouldn't be a problem
[Xperia Z General] millicent:
+8..;)

Sent from a galaxy far away..
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Just made the leap guys, I preordered my Xperia Z from Handtec UK.

I just hope I didn't waste $700 and this phone is worth the money.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Congratulations, I hope :)

What made you order it as you seemed pretty critical about the z and more positive about the One?
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Welcome to the club
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
I'm a huge Sony fan, and always bought their phones despite usually lagging behind the competition.

I prefer the all glass design of the Xperia Z over the One as it looks more elegant.

I was only really critical about the Xperia Z screen being poor quality, but after extensive research on reviews and impressions, it doesn't seem to be a huge deal breaker.

The poor viewing angles are not really problems for me as I will never use my phone on an angle.

I don't really know how good or bad it will be for myself until I have it in my hands but I'm hoping I made the right choice.

Don't get me wrong, the HTC One looks amazing and has superior hardware but I've never owned a HTC device before so I don't know what to expect. At least with Sony I already have an idea what I'm getting into. :p
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Make sense. Its not like everybody should buy the HTC one or everybody the Xperia z, good thing with android is that we have many choices.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Glad you see it that way, unlike IOS, Google has provided us with a whole goody bag of phones to choose from, each to their taste i see.
[Xperia Z General] :
1st post

Hi all,

Well last time I read anything on XDA, I think was when I had trouble with my MDA compact (if anyone remembers it?!)

I normally purchase my smartphone every couple of years or so and the user reviews do influence my decision. After all these devices don't come cheap and I for one expect them to last me a few years.

I think I may go for the Xperia Z. I like the fact that it's water resistant and seems robust when I tried one in Phones4u. Nice big screen and smooth UI. The keyboard was very nice too.

I am in need of headphones too after my Bose ones are seeing their last days (6 years!) The Sony website (UK) are quoting £529 and are offering the MDR headphones worth £300 for free with pre-orders! They are actually worth £200 on Amazon, but still, I think it's a good offer if you need or want them.

I respect everyone's opinion but this emphasis on specs should go hand in hand with user experience and customer service. I like how Apple support their devices and have stores to go to if anything goes wrong. My friend still uses a reliable 3gs over the years which is still getting support! I just dislike how iOS is locked down sometimes (and prefer Android / hate itunes).

Another thing I like about this Sony is that I can take it to any Sony store for warranty repairs (as advised by them). It may sound silly but I feel more reassured knowing a company have a high street store I could walk into. Anyhow I'll let you know my thoughts once I have the device.

:cowboy:
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
So we can take our XZ to a Sony store, even if I got it from three, cos if so that's good to know!
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
now if only the sony store sold phones on tarrfis, i would totally get it from sony store in that instance!
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Thanks for feeding that back about the warranty....each to their own with whatever device you own, I myself doubt I will ever own and iPhone again, main reasons are the lack of customization and being locked down too much. IMHO Android phone's are more like a mini computer or can be turned into one with docks etc....but with the iPhone the OS just is too locked down etc and only Jail-braking it opens up it full potential!

Just my opinion though! Good luck with your iPhone 5 hopefully you won't drop it in water :D
[Xperia Z General] :
Thank you, and, by the way those Sony headphones are AMAZING. They really did sweeten up the deal for me but not enough sadly.

I still don't know how the staff were allowed to publicly use their iPhones, Samsung's etc.. I believe in freedom of choice off course but the salesman was playing a game on his iPhone called Rayman Jungle Run. That's what I first noticed before asking about the pre-order. Nice game too :cowboy:
[Xperia Z General] lee480:
Actually no. It's not funny.

One X relevant today? That's funny. Sony updates are reliable and efficient. Other than the flagship One X and One S? What happened to the rest? Sleeping? Maybe that's the reason why Sony destroyed HTC is global smartphones sales.

So what HTC has a larger Dev Community? Does it affect phone quality? I urge people who pre-ordered Xperia Z not to cancel their placement. You will get better updates and support from Sony.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Well hopefully I will get mine, not sure if I will got to wait for three to let me know...Well it's good they can use what they like that how it should be! :)
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Yes. Thanks. I feel the same. Dont cancel your pre order People... It is free to buy what you want but ler me say that Sony xperia has really good cares from Sony. HTC will drop HTC one as soon as the next HTC is released. Xperia Z is the Best for me. :)
[Xperia Z General] PsyMonkey:
Thanks guys this thread convinced me to get a Xperia Z. Preordered from ASDA got get all those free stuff. Going to be my first Sony phone hope custom roms are as good as I had on my previous phones (HTC Hero, Samsung S2).
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
You will love it :) and even i am not the greatest developer here (i am getting better Day by Day by leaning) i will work Hard and release cool roms for Xperia Z too :)
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Finally got to touch it myself today, woo!

The only unit in a large cell phone retailer in the center of Moscow, not demo device and I was the first one to ask for it. So I had the privilege of opening the box, turning it on for the first time etc :) Unfortunately they didn't let me take off the screen sticker so I couldn't test the screen as thorough as I would like to.

1. Viewing angles: seemed to be pretty poor, a very slight tilt made the edges of the screen start bleeding. It didn't get worse with increasing angle though.

2. Black level: the entire UI has this grey tint so the screen may seem bad, but actually black level looked fine to me. For example on music player widget's background which is not affected by the grey tint the background was pitch black.

3. Checked some pics but it's hard to tell. You need to upload your own images and compare them with your PC screen.

Verdict: DO WANT

Going to order it tomorrow.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Wicked. Congratulations. I was a big sucker for choosing angles but now I see it as an advantage. People can't see What I'm doing :P.

I decided to stick to my pre order in the end. Still slightly unsure till I see it arrive. Most likely I will keep it for many reasons

Bigger screen, stamina mode, glassy classy design. Sd card, more durable, water proof, natural reality display. Privacy screen lol. LTE,

And a few other reasons.

Sent from my Nokia 3210 using GPRS
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Yeah watch porn on the bus and people beside u can't see it :p

Dont know when xz will come to Indonesia, oo fak my life..
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Never take a bus. Drive a car instead :P. I would rather people next to me don't see me texts

Sent from my Nokia 3210 using GPRS
[Xperia Z General] airizsyah:
1+

good point..
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Not everybody buys a phone to have the biggest spec numbers to brag to their friends.

Others just buy what appeals most to them.

I waited to see the HTC one before decided which way to go. In the end I pre ordered the Z and here is why

In the areas where the HTC is better, the Z is more than good enough. Display and cpu. The Z's display is beautiful head on and that's fine for me. The s4 pro is a beast that has more than enough power to meet my needs.

But where the Z is strong, the One has nothing to offer. Waterproofing and connectivity.

I live in the UK and the number of times I've been caught out in the rain with an unresponsive phone is alarming! The Z also has much better connectivity with all the clever stuff Sony's doing with nfc.

Design wise, I prefer the elegant sophisticated look of the Z to the funky glossy finish of the One. Don't care much for boom sound because I'd rather play music through proper speakers by just a single tap. Nfc eh!

All that boom sound stuff sounds very juvenile. The stuff of unruly teenagers on the train!

Every year it's the same thing, HTC release speced out devices that please the hard core minority but fail to capture the imagination of the mainstream majority.

Sony overtook HTC in 2012 as far as market share goes despite having much weaker speced devices and the Z will trump the One for sales. The Sony makes the more compelling argument to the main stream user and so it will win out in sales terms.

I felt I'd get more use out of the Sony so I went with it.

Not interested in trading numbers with anyone to see who's got the biggest values. Just after the phone I'd enjoy most and unfortunately, the One in my case wasn't really the one
[Xperia Z General] avetny:
Sony Xperia Z is another developer phone.

This phone is another nexus ;) You know why !? Just because you even don't have this phone and we already got full pack of sources !....Now go and ask Samsung to do that. And let me know when you will get it. I will jump back to it.

Xperia z based on AOSP. And I feeling tthat, you know how ?......No not the "UI" man. Because the performance. Here is no touchwiz no sense just simple aosp ! And it's mean that Cyanogen rom will be like a boss on it.

Yes you will get stable build for htc also. But first wait bootloader unlock for a year. Just wait and pray :P
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
It has nothing to do with TouchWiz or Sense. It has to do with sources, and Samsung & Friends are being difficult while Sony, who once upon a time was just like the rest of them when they were Sony Ericsson, but when they broke off with Ericsson they got a little nicer to the dev community. TouchWiz and Sense is also based on AOSP (Android Open Source Project AKA Google Android) like every single Android build out there, but the difference is that Sony hasn't hidden it behind a hidious UI like Samsung, HTC etc. It's easier to develop ROM's and kernels for Sony phones since Sony has already released much of the sources. It's also easier to develop for Qualcomm chips than Exynos and Tegra for the same reason.