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[Xperia Z General] badboybiky:
now this thing is driving me crazy. all the xz i have checked look greyish in colour, i mean the theme but there is one with black bar at the bottom. its quiet confusing!!!

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no my friend there is no camera button that mean both is xz. :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Well... regardless, if I receive a unit with a 'grey' display I'll get it exchanged. Simples lol.

I've seen a dozen display units now and the screen has been consistant in quality. This is shops across the UK.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Nope.
[Xperia Z General] badboybiky:
come on that phone is missing camera button which is present in xperia zl. and here goes my video regarding xz screen quality which i captured from three store in uk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ySTIYmEyto
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Yeah, checked that video out in your thread. The screen looks amazing, but that's not the problem anymore. The new problem is why there are two different type of screens out there. One that looks amazing, and one that looks like Jeremy Clarkson's aging hair.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Theres no hard evidence to support this.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Not any hard evidence, but some evidence. Or it's a software thing. We don't know, so let's assume the worst as usual :p
[Xperia Z General] badboybiky:
oh ! that thing is driving me nuts . everywhere i have been have the same type of phone with greyish looking theme. i compared with my current xperia s and its not that bad at all . i dont know what should i do as i have already preordered mine. hope i get a black one
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Don't cancel it. You'll regret it five minutes later.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
All the recent youtube videos have showed the 'decent' looking panels in action. I'll just exchange mine if I have the 'jeremy clarksons hair' one.

Haha.
[Xperia Z General] badboybiky:
i really dont think there is anything like that dark in xperia z cause i have tried like 4 xperia z on three store and every time it looked the same.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
+1
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Sure, but the devices in the stores are most certainly demos, and they are running like 16 hours a day. They might also be from the first or second batch that Sony sent out/produced, so Sony might have fixed most of the screens by now.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Threes demo software puts the brightness up to 100%. Did you try adjusting it? Although soon as you lock/unlock the device it goes back to 100%

See if you can pop into a phones 4 u. They haven't had their demo units for long and should be production models.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Btw, came over a bunch of comparison pictures of the Z Vs the S3 and Butterfly. Not sure if you've seen them. The Z looks (for the most part) damn good. The angled photos aren't as bad as expected, but this seems to differ from device to device (as we are currently discussing right now)

http://www.mobilexperia.com/xperia-z-display-comparison-roundup.html
[Xperia Z General] badboybiky:
havent tried phone4u . yeah i have tried putting it on 50% and found out to be fine with abit extra darkness to the overall experience.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Just emailed Sony, asking if they are using two different display manufaturers or if there is a production error with some screens. I don't expect a reply to be honest, but you never know :p
[Xperia Z General] belek1979:
paste that letter here. we could send that too
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Tweet them with that photo. Should get their attention as they might think it might affect their business.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
On my phone at the moment, watching a movie, so you can do it if you want? :p
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
So why spend every moment of time on this forum slating it? If there is another device you like, then go to that forum and enjoy your phone and stop trying to make all of us out as if we're imbeciles.

Just a kind request to leave us in peace :) not just you but everyone else who is making it a mission to slate this phone with every ounce of breadth.

ITS A GOOD PHONE AND I LIKE IT....SO WHAT'S ALL OF YOUR PROBLEM? :D
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Some dude claims he was told by a Sony manager at Sony Centre that they indeed use two different manufacturers.

Also on the bottom of the phone there's a barcode and the unit's development week is shown, if someone goes to the stores any time soon can you please check the screen and remember what week the phone was assembled? Maybe earlier units have worse screens.
[Xperia Z General] belek1979:
jayman1986 & mavarick1103 let us discuss bout the screen...

the reason youve got Z doesnt mean that other people have to hail that device...
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
There is a bit of a difference discussing about the screen compared to some completely slating the device by going off a few reviews....I'm not hailing the screen I'm just saying from what I have seen I am more than happy with the quality from it....I know there are better screens out there as I have owned the HTC One X and as I have already said it's still probably the best screen out there, it's just a shame other bits of the device sucked!!

As I have said before each to their own, be glad we have so much choice! ;)
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Screen for me is more than adequate. The people NOT HAILING the device are also the same people who have have long ago decided they do not like this product and that they won't buy it, which is fine but why stay here and spend every moment bashing it and criticising people who are buying this phone?

Saying things like "Sony have failed" "Sony have released an outdated phone"

Thats just pointless trolling
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
I only see it as trolling now, as you say they clearly have stated they won't buy the phone now, why stay in here other than for trolling purposes!
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
I followed every discussions about that screen issue... Will there be a end?

It's the only reason I didn't order it yet!

A 650$ russian roulette game... I'm not really confident... :eek: Not sure I'll take the bet. Some words from Sony would be great! :good:
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Man are you dumb? Xperia Z has grey bars, that's how they're designed!

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[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
So I actually managed to take a look at a live device. and I don't understand the critic at all. The screen is excellent in my opinion. There was an One X sitting next to it. Yes the One X has more eye popping colors and has a bit more wow factor due to the eye popping colors. But in my (limited, 30+ minutes on my brothers device) experience with the one x I had to town down the brightness to prevent eye strain, when I did that the wow factor disappeared as well. When playing with the XZ the screen is really relaxed for my eyes. As I will be using the phone mainly for reading this is what I prefer. I will receive my XZ this week and I will do a more thorough comparison to the 1X.

If you read some of the remarks on this forum you get the idea that the screen is on par with an arc or equivalent , but this is certainly not the case. It is also better than the XT which I wound to have a very LCD look to it (seem for the XS) this is not the case with the XZ. But as always some people will disagree so it's best to take a look your self :)
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I don't use twitter :silly:
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
This makes me oh so happy.

How was the contrast? is there a perceivable 'milky' layer over the colors washing them out? and do grey/black things appear bluish?
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
So I only played for it for a minute or 5 when I get my device I can give you a better description. But both contracts and black levels seems perfectly fine. Like reported the menu bar and theme are gray, but when you look at widgets that contain black, black it is black. Perhaps if you put an AMOLED next to it and start compering you will find that the black is not as black as the AMOLED but I only carry one phone so in daily use this would not be something I notice :). contrast seems fine at least as good as my Tab 10.1v.

No I didn't experienced an milky layer at all, but I really think it is in the eye of the beholder. I used to work for a photo book printing company and I was involved in several product tests. What they did is order lots of books from both the competition and our own and start compering (in house). One of the other companies saturated the colors to much. When people looked at the books at first lots of people liked those books the best since the photos seemed more alive. Our books where really well done color wise, very natural. The people that liked the over saturated colors did think at first that our books where washed out or less alive but after giving it more time they started realizing they could see more details, that the colors actually looked more real life and that it was nicer to look at if you really took the time to look at the photos. Most people preferred our books in the end. And I feel this is a bit the same with the HTC screen vs the XZ screen the one x just looks so fantastic when you see it but for me it gets tiresome when looking at it for a prolonged time.

before somebody screams murder I realize that the Droid DNA has better color accuracy than the XZ
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
I would argue that this is the Xperia Z forum, so as long as we are talking about the XZ, whats the problem?

You have every right to praise the XZ, and we have every right to slate it for not being good enough.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
That's the text book definition of trolling.

The people who are actually 'praising' or are excited about the device are actually enamored with the device and intend to buy it - they are hence in pursuit of talking about every aspect of their future purchase amongst themselves.

The other party will have nothing to do with the device - and so are just continously slating it for no apparent reason and, by doing so, just annoy everyone else by repeatedly bringing up 'bad' things about the device WE ALREADY KNOW.

Classic trolling, if you ask me.
[Xperia Z General] adizntk:
According to this staff member the displays are the same on all Sony Xperia Z handsets.
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
woops wrong thread
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTELLIGENT POST, I don't need to say anymore.

By the way I take it your also not going to actually going to buy this phone.

SO WHAT ARE U ACTUALLY DOING HERE? Does it upset you so much that Sony has released such a crappy device, might I add- that you have no intention to buy, you have to constantly come on here and bash it?

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I can understand when people have actually bought something and its not to their expectations or they're stuck with problems.

But if your not interested in buying the phone then why go on about it?

I was interested in xperia z from the first moments and still am now. When a z forum was opened I immediately added it to my favorites on XDA App, so I can follow for news. If I had decided at any point that I was no longer going to get this device I would have removed from favorites and been onto my next phone search.

I can't believe you people keep coming here and whining. :banghead:

Over and out!!!
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
I have actually read in several reviews now that the shatter glass on the screen does reduce the viewing angles. I'm not talking about the screen protector, but the second protector. There's even videos on how to remove it. I've heard that the screen gets even clearer and better looking after removing it.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Well...
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Another screen comparison vs GS3

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[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/sony-mwc-2013/xperia-zl/gsmarena_005.jpg

!!!???
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Z screen looks very good in that video!
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
What?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
this guy is a legend. he dispels all myths about the xperia z screen/speaker in this video. It's funny that he hates AMOLED colors - just like we do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiSaj0cdsBY

Turn the caption translate options on and enjoy.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
+1
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
ZL and Z has different screen or just the setting are different?
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
One may have slight different brightness or one has bravia engine enabled.
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
Again, they're supposed to have the same screen...
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
But does one of them have any power saving mode enabled? That'll cut the brightness down even on 100%.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
could be the way the photo was taken,
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
I'm gonna lost my mind! :eek:
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
It's a photo sample coming with al the Z and ZL's...

The most probable reason is different screen brightness!
[Xperia Z General] ipmanwck:
Was interested in this phone and went into my local 3 store to check it out.

Initial reaction was wowwww.

But then looked deeper and speaker was awful :( camera I personally thought was good. But wanted better for all the hype and screen was great for text but I must say whites were ok and blacks were meh :( I am due an upgrade and really wanted this phone. If these phone company's had 12 month contracts I would have got it but 24 months I have to be blown away with the next upgrade ;)

Custom Stock Rom 4.0 Eternity

Stock but better
[Xperia Z General] danw_oz:
I am going to get one of these screen protectors, then the viewing angles will not be a problem ;)

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/...reen-Protectors/Privacy?N=5517756&rt=c3&Nao=0
[Xperia Z General] nizarnoor:
Thanks for posting!

It's a bit pointless when they're displaying two different wallpapers though.

Having said that, I think Z's display is great.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Yeah, and we shouldn't really compare LCD to AMOLED. It's two different technologies and frankly not fair.

We should compared LCD to (S)LCD.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Duh, I mean the photo of the phones, focus, metering etc. Can make a difference
[Xperia Z General] belek1979:
I was comparing Z with S and P. Z was awful - no vivid, washed out colour, max brightness in Z was as 30% in S and 20% in P, there was a green&blue light mist on Z so there was no clear white!!! I spent 3 hours of comparing... It was demo Z so now Im waiting for ordinary ones...

If it would be better then I bought Z...

P.S.

Xperia landscapes on Z looks awful - clouds before gr8 canyon wasnt white!
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
And here come another contradiction!

Do I really have to look for a store?... Can't believe we have opinons that different!
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
That would be the best thing to do, if you have a retail outlet near you that has the Z on show. That's what i did last Wednesday, and was pleased that i did. I was very pleased with the display i have to say. You really need to see it with your own eyes though.
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
Not sure I have a store nearby, I will look for it.

I'm not convince that's the solution: If we really have to deal with 2 different displays, that will be useless.

But I must admit that's a beginning. I'll report when it's done.
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Japanese model screen vs rest of the world:

http://i2.minus.com/j5KvlzvzWINEX.JPG

7 mb
[Xperia Z General] metcard:
The Japanese model has a black notification bar and button bar at the bottom, also a darker theme. Otherwise they look the same, maybe the Docomo is very slightly more contrasty.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
correction:

DoCoMo skin vs Sony skin.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I think the big difference is the theme! Japanese version has a total different firmware without Stamina Mode for example...

And, in my opinion, they made the theme black and Sony is grey
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
Mmmh sounds good to me! :good:
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Any DoMoCo users here? Please post your ftf here! :)
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
I think there are one or two users here that have the DoCoMo.
[Xperia Z General] Timaustin2000:
Oddly, I did the same (S vs Z) in a store the other day and guess what? I thought the S's screen looked overblown and clownish! And it's my daily driver!

It's personal preference, people. I think that the Z's colour balance is deliberate - it seems more "natural" and easier on the eyes to me. Horses for courses: what I see as "pleasant" others see as "washed out". It isn't washed out: it's just adjusted to look "realistic".

My initial reaction on seeing the Landscapes vid playing on both was the same as yours - but the more I re-watched it, the less I liked the over-punchy hit on the S, especially on the Canyon shot at the end, which looked waaay too much on the S.
[Xperia Z General] Paddiii:
My screen looks really bad at low Angles :(

http://www.android-hilfe.de/5261827-post237.html
[Xperia Z General] rttnpig]:
Mine came with a dead pixel for the same price!!! :(
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Darn, are they white? If not you can could try to run a pixel fixer from the market there are several. If they are white than you have to send it back. Hope it helps

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Worse than you have seen in a shop or worse than you thought it would be?
[Xperia Z General] SirRobin78:
I´m happy about my Z, no dead pixels (german amazon device with no branding)

But i´ve mentioned one thing. In normal use i´ll get "waves" in the lower left part of the display. No hard press, only while typing in whatsapp... anyone else?
[Xperia Z General] hebbe:
mine is from amazon germany too. i don't have any waves while typing, but i don't use whatsapp. do you recognize the waves while typing sms or email?
[Xperia Z General] SirRobin78:
Yes, also while typing sms or email. maybe there is a pressure from the case to display?
[Xperia Z General] rttnpig]:
Its a white one. Bought it on amazon but they have no stock... So they are giving back the money.
[Xperia Z General] badboybiky:
wow! the screen is really great and i already got one so trust me the black mesh is over for me cause the black is really deep black in my phone.check my videos.http://youtu.be/_c05b-Mp8QA

http://youtu.be/HvcJJj-VdVw
[Xperia Z General] kbadone:
I thought I was the only one with grey notification and menu bars! That's a relief
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
I just checked and I have no dead pixels as far as I can see. I used the first app I found searching for "pixel fixer" or something. Used a black, white and blue background and no dead pixels.

Happy I read people talking about it and checked, thanks guys.
[Xperia Z General] Pikaz:
Just received my Z and I must say I'm really disappointed. The colours are ridiculously washed out and the contrast is really poor.

Comparing it to my SGS2 it just looks like there is this grey filter on top of every thing.

Looks like a return to me :eek:
[Xperia Z General] Higgins12:
I'm havin no Issues with the Display , still think it's a good Display. Not the best but even not the worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLqgtJ7LwYY
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
First of all in the UI that is actually the case, not really a gray filter but transparent filter and the theme is gray.

Second sAMOLED has over the top colors where as the Z has pretty natural colors.

If I where you play a bit more with it look if you adapt
[Xperia Z General] :
Nothing wrong with the screen looks really nice on mine.
[Xperia Z General] CaFFeiNe666:
yes, let's compare tomatoes with broccoli...

sgs2 as any amoled has STUPID INNATURAL COLORS...

why i say it? cause i'm a graphic designer, and i work on a calibrated dell ultrasharp monitor.

and if you don't trust me, search for displaymate review on that screen, 136% of standard gamut (they specify a larger gamut is much worse than a smaller gamut)

contrast is the only good thing of amoled,you can't compare any other type of screen...
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Interesting.

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2013/02/28/xperia-zs-display-unbeaten-in-sonymwc-booth-test/#more-8285

"Xperia Z’s display unbeaten in #SonyMWC booth test"
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Your impression matches mine. Less natural then the one x screen. Less saturated then the sgs3. It's in the middle.

That mirrors what reviews have said. horrible viewing angles.

Well said. Its a good display, just far from many top end displays. Not the worst however.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Source: Sony. This just in; Honda has come to the conclusion that their Accord is the greatest car in history. 100% objective.

Conclusion: 1080p is sharper than 720p. We all know that! and that's not the main problem.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
It's actually more natural than one X screen, yes the one x has more wow factor but when you look at actual photos and especially skin colors the one x is way off
[Xperia Z General] Pikaz:
I know you can't really compare it. But still, a screen is a screen and personal taste is personal taste ;)

Anyway, I mentioned it not to compare saturation (which is what makes the amoled go "crazy") but I compared it on wash-out/temperature.

The Sony display has clearly something wrong with it. Too yellowish/warm - faded. I've now put it side by side with a nexus 4, iPad and nexus7 and it always under performs. Shame

The Bravia Engine does a nice job on photos/videos.. I which we could enable it for everything.

And lets not even mention viewing angles ;)
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Can you do a side by side display comparison of the Xperia Z with the nexus 7 and the iPad and post the pics? Thanks.
[Xperia Z General] Astridax93:
I'll admit, I'm looking at my mother's device right now and I'm not impressed at all. I'll leave out the comparisons with the amoled display on my SGS i9000 since it pales in comparison. However this is going to be a comparison with my mother's old LG Optimus One P500. This was a middle to low end device nearly three years ago.

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_one_p500-3516.php

To be honest, as far as contrast goes the P500 beats the Z. That is down right disgraceful from a flagship product.

I have tested this at multiple brightness levels using a pure black fill on the SketchBookX app. I have noticed first off that the Z deals with brightness in a slightly different way to android phones. First off, the brightness slider acts independent of the 'Adapt to lighting conditions' setting. Un-checking that setting results in the screen becoming a lot brighter and colours look more vivid at the expense of black levels. I wish I had a decent camera on me to show this properly. I'll see if I can take some photos of the multiple brightness settings and with different background colours under daylight so that camera noise reduction doesn't skew the test.

When not looking at a black screen and on full brightness without the lighting conditions setting the screen is acceptable and to be honest, I quite like colour representation at this point.

However my mother seems happy with it nonetheless, however she feels it is more pale than the one she saw in the shop, which brings back the question of screen batches.
[Xperia Z General] dartagnan04:
I don't get it. How is it possible... So much reviews and only a few bring this issue to readers.