yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the only assumption we have of its speed is based on Anandtech's old report of a very aggressive clock of 533mhz (quiet high for a power VR MP GPU), if so it might score 49fps based on my calcuations vs the 41fps on the S600 SGS4

now given they had to downclock those A15s due to thermals, i won't be surprised if there is the same happened for the GPU

so before a benchmark appears on the GL bench website, it's too early to make any call

in terms of tech, Adreno 3xx is a next gen GPU on all levels, ES3.0 support, unified shaders, GPGPU, Direct, Tile and Mixed based render support, it's qualcomm biggest GPU tech yet and the drivers are still a little immature

as an example Adreno 220 on the Sensation (which was the first implemenation of the 2xx series) gained 2x its speed after the ICS update and the drivers matured

considering samsung is scoring 41fps on their s600 SGS4, i don't expect them to seek a lot higher for the octa version, i predict something between 41 and 45fps (otherwise it will upset the s600 owners)

Finally and most important the GPU on the SGS4 octa, regardless of its real speed will get better support from devs simply because its the same GPU from iOS, as for Adreno it needs Qualcomm's dev support (which they've been pushing aggressively but still lacking against iOS)

One area in favor of ther Adreno 320, is that nearly all 2013 flagships are using it, including Samsung and the Nexus, so developers will be more inclined to care about it
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
There is not Red "Spoon"! :laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
where did you see crazy benchmarks again? :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] biohaufen:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Or in english --> the galaxy s4 will release at the end of April and it'll have a Snapdragon 600 and there will be no Exynos version in Germany.

The price is 729€ for the 16GB version.
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

My one didn't get delivered today, so maybe tomorrow but I am not at home on the weekend so I expect to get mine on Monday :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
haha so its a draw of luck if you get the Exynos? i think they will leave the OCTA for unlocked / unbranded units

the only reason they are using that bloody octa for the sake of marketing and better inhouse sourcing

but otherwise most carriers will request the s600
[One (M7) General] biohaufen:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

@Hamdir: There is really no Exynos version in germany. It'll have a Snapdragon 600 @ 1.9GHz ^^

Branded and unbraded it'll be a S600.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
That's actually a wise decision, i would go for the s600 if i was making the calls

like i said the octa is being used simply for economics and hype
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
You guys are talking like if the only thing that matters in a smartphone is video games!

HUGE LOL

Go and get a 3DS or a PSVita for God sake!

Smartphones are a whole: screen/camera/design/material/apps/games/speakers/calls quality/internet/GPS...

And the One is beating the sgs4 in ALL these apart performance in video games (but still beat the hell out of all other phones)
[One (M7) General] skivnit:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

It has nothing to do with marketing. They never said it's a 8 cores phone.Also its ARM design, not Samsung's.at least wait until yiu see the final version with real tests. .
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
why are you jumping to conclusions, we still did not if it beats our gaming either, not before our 4.2 update and not before their octa's GL benchmark

besides iPhone users will certainly NOT agree with you

for those who are actually talking about it in here, gaming does matter ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
nevermind
[One (M7) General] Nekromantik:
I think Samsung have always had better GPUs then HTC.

Then again this is a phone and I dont play hardly any games on it so I dont really mind.

If its a tablet then yeah I would go for a higher spec GPU tab.
[One (M7) General] horsetastic:
Personally I barely play games on my phone, that's what my Xbox 360 is for! I am a serial snapper however and am always taking pics of my little girl, got another baby due in June as well so soon I'll have to try and catch 2 little fidgets, hence Zoe ftw!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ok so what you are really saying is? you wouldnt mind if HTC sticks an outdated GPU in their next flagship?

besides they didnt have slower GPUs all the time

the T3 GPU is actually faster than the SGS3 when coded properly (example Epic citadel, windmill bench)

and the Sensation Adreno 220 was faster but good drivers arrived late

Adreno 205 was as fast as everything else on the Snapdragon 2 and kept up with Tegra 2 (desire HD)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I think's Paul's article on Sense 5 clearly reveals how wrong the Verge driver was when he called Sense 5 still cartoonish
[One (M7) General] g3rm3n:
@hamdir I have seen that S600 of Samsung S4 is 1.9 GHz snapdragon fusión pro so... it´s not exactly the same of s600 of htc , are you ok ?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
When being better doesn't equal victory: Samsung's curious overshadowing of HTC

Even the press is rooting for HTC on this one
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
there are rumours circulating that its not the s600 since it wasnt confirmed by Samsung

if so it might mean Samsung cheapened even further and the bench we have on the website, is simply from one of the prototypes

still still as far as i know s4pro can not achieve 1.9ghz
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

So I am number one of the waiting list but I dunno when they get some devices for reviewing. Can't give any eta sry :)
[One (M7) General] onlinejobwork:
Given thanks, exact and most info. I need full info for camera thing and got it , Now feel much confident that my decision was right about pre order of ONE in silver, 1st timer ever really desperately waiting for 15 March for delivery
[One (M7) General] py_martinez:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Hy happy guys !

I have read and watched a lot of review but .... I found nothing about the query quality of tIf somebody knows please tell he black from this screen :confused:

I mean HTC one x has a good calibration screen BUT the blacks aren't so black, much more grey....what about the one screens are they better (close to amoled screens) in term of blacks ?

Better than the one x ?

Envoyé depuis mon HTC One X avec Tapatalk
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
arstechnica: Future of mobile CPUs part 2: What’s ahead for the major players?

despite ARS being a total Apple lover, i do agree about the Adreno drivers, hopefull finally qualcomm will get around this

if Adreno 320 was in the hands of nvidia, oh boy they would milk it to high heavens :D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the One X blacks are not black? :eek:

its the most black you can get on an SLCD screen
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
the One sports a SLCD3 while One X has SLCD2. Things have definitively improved, read engadget, I remember they have talked about this (I may be wrong)
[One (M7) General] BlueSingA:
I'd imagine the blacks aren't as "good" as on samoled screens, but that said, I think they are at least slightly "better" than on One X. But it's all arguable considering many of us don't ramp up the brightness to full.. on lower brightness, blacks are pretty damn black on One X too. :) But yeah, don't expect SLCDs will ever reach the level of "blackness" compared to samoleds.. however, samoled is quite an old thing, it always oversaturates and I don't think it's possible to reach such low DPI with them.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so how is that you get a review unit mate? :)

do you have a german blog? :fingers-crossed:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
SAMOLEDs from accuracy point of view are considered "bad"

professionally speaking :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC settles with FTC over leaving Carrier IQ and other logging tools open to hackers
[One (M7) General] py_martinez:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Well in fact I have compared Samsung galaxy note 1 and my one x with a lot of pictures and videos (from my reflex camera).

The same pictures and videos were at the same time displayed on my high quality monitor of my pc..

For videos gs note won against one x because of good contrast and really blacks.

For the pictures both of them weren't perfect , over saturated on Samsung (but fantastic contrast) , too brights and lack of contrast on one x (colors were good).

So if somebody could confirm that the contrast and blacks are better on the HTC one , it would be perfect !

Envoyé depuis mon HTC One X avec Tapatalk
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
i dont know the One X screen was considered the best mobile screen for 2012 so...if you love amoleds, SLCD will never have the infinite contrast, but otherwise they offer a much cleaner, more impressive, brighter and more accurate image, finally SLCD3 is considered an improvement over SLCD2, to what extend we need a technical review

its best to check GSMarena / Phonearena reviews of the HTC DNA and Butterfly to get an idea
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

The infinite contrasts and deep blacks of the amoleds are just marketing
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
haha proves again that the One is designed to steal Apple's lovers :laugh:

HTC One will import iPhone backups
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
i dont agree, although i hate the hell out of the samlod i do agree about the deep contrast between blacks and the rest, but as a result it outputs a horrible depressing "dark" image
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC BlinkFeed — there if you need it, not if you don’t

Check HTC's Larry Meadows replies about this over here:

http://blog.htc.com/2013/02/htc-launches-blinkfeed/

I think HTC will eventually break and provide a disable option, so i'm not worried

haha someone asked if he can get BlinkFeed for his iPhone :D
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Wow, the Sequence Shot ability is really impressive! I really like what you can do and how it looks. Lots of customization - it looks to be actually useful!

Who wants to buy my One X for 599€? Special price!

---------- Post added at 06:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 PM ----------

This one definitely seems to be coming from the license agreement, don't you agree? :)
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Yeah its a blog but not a German one. It's teendroid.com

i already got the one x+ last year and will get a xperia z as well once they get their review devices. No eta on the xperia z as well :/
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

I saw many fanboys b****ing about screens other than samoled just because of the blacks, it's just stupid...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC Blog: Breaking the Megapixel Myth

my problem with these so called "brightness" shots is that they are bullshots, situational and depends on the algorithm more so than showcase of the camera itself, nice attempt by the blog but not useful...
[One (M7) General] horsetastic:
This is actually all becoming rather exciting for once! lol and funny how the cost of the handset on various contracts has dropped since last night......perhaps not htc have seen what they're up against they've told resellers to lower the price to draw more people in!
[One (M7) General] djsaad1:
thinking about moving from my nexus 4 to a htc one or s4, but is no one else worried about how long it will take htc or samsung to implement key lime pie when it comes out? I would hate to get a new phone next month and then regret not having key lime pie when it comes out the following month .
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
Well, wait for next nexus then, it'll be out around May or a month later.

But to be honest I don't see rushing for latest android experience makes much sense unless phone is really good.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Samsung Galaxy S 4 vs HTC One – Quick Camera Compariso

4MP ultrapixel vs 13MP
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Gah! My old phone is falling apart on me and I might not be able to hold on until the One or SGS4 is available. If I´m forced to get an available phone now, what do you suggest I go for? The One X+? Experia Z?
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
One X+ or nexus 4 I'd say
[One (M7) General] LittleH79:
Just heard the best summary of S4's presentation by a colleague of mine.

"You seen it, yes? What where you thinking, was it the SameSong?"

:D:D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes you are not used to the megathreads

again gaming matter for many of us

its a good game at discount, so its best to buy it now
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Nexus 4, this way you can still go for One :) or One+ when it refershes

Xperia don't hold their value well (for now)
[One (M7) General] horsetastic:
Gaming may matter but it seemed a little random out-bursty to me and def not relative to the One specifically....Should have if anything posted a thread saying 'Awesome Games to try on your new HTC One!' then posted it in there lol!
[One (M7) General] djsaad1:
Honestly I don't really need a new phone, love the feel and performance of my n4. I am just one of those guys that likes trying/having the newest phone. I just wish the newest phones would also have the latest software.

I said this in another thread, I wish google would get with the manufactures and plan the flagship phone releases around the latest software. Either push google i/o up or push the releases to after google i/o so that the flagship phones get released with the latest android. It just seems like a little bit of a mess right now.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
+1

it is a mess and google is in huge part to blame
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
just when HTC finally debloated Sense :)

look what happens
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
Google does that on purpose. they don't want to give out the latest android to companies right away.
[One (M7) General] horsetastic:
Looks horrible! But then I have never liked touchwiz......finger hovering looks like the worst idea I've ever seen!!
[One (M7) General] djsaad1:
That very well could be, but in my opinion it's hurting them more than helping them.
[One (M7) General] batna.antab:
HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thre

Hahaha :') , I was just trying to help some gamer .
[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

I bought it thanks man
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
hahaha
[One (M7) General] puremind:
Last year there was not as much competition from HTC. The stock HTC One X experience was laggy and did not seem to compete based on performance even though this all changed later with project butter and Jelly Bean.

This year is a completely different story: the HTC One has no real weakness. Even battery is equivalent (compared at the same brightness level) and the design advantage is much much wider. I think the odds this year are completely different.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
true sadly we suffered a lot of jump ship in the One X early days :(
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC calls the Samsung Galaxy S4 “mainstream”
[One (M7) General] djsaad1:
The HTC One's weakness is name recognition. It's still can't touch the galaxy brand when it comes to marketing, the chances of it even coming close to outselling the s4 are very slim. Samsung is on a whole new level now, and it will take a ton of marketing money for HTC to get on that level.
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

The mass media doesn't really care about S4s weaknesses or the competition. I'm sitting in the bus right now and the guy next to me reads a newspaper. S4 on the front page. S4(T-Rex) vs. iPhone (king kong). Titled: Samsung's super weapon against the iPhone.

Don't be silly, the competition will be largely ignored again. Samsung is the new Apple.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
mmmm middle eastern, official vclip for the HTC One

[YOUTUBE]w06X-ebyxlw[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] 3473:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Help, I have work to do but can't put my HTC one down
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
New Review this time US Gizmodo, for those still at loss for the silver, i think case is closed :)

Gizmodo, HTC One Review: The Beauty Is a Beast

camera samples here
[One (M7) General] joschi1985:
AW: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Please vote for our beloved ONE!

HTC Deutschland (@HTC_de) hat um 0:22 PM on Fr., Mär 15, 2013 getwittert:

Das Voting "HTC one vs. Galaxy S4 vs. Xperia z" läuft. Macht mit und stimmt ab! http://t.co/FXtMjqsSKt

(https://twitter.com/HTC_de/status/312524204132159488)

Hol Dir die offizielle Twitter-App auf https://twitter.com/download

Just a German mag doing Voting! Haha Samsung has 100 votes the One 700
[One (M7) General] ipmanwck:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Lol. I just hope battery is good enough on the one as all the zoes and watching films etc chews up battery and the camera lives up to the hype. Coming from am s2 storage and battery are big issues. I often change the battery as watch at least one film on the train and usual stuff like games etc a day and I work outside so charging it from mains is impossible for me. Storage at present is a no as UK are only offering 32gb ??? When the 64gb is available I will seriously consider the one. Its about time us android users had a well made phone ! Galaxy s4 has to have a plastic back so you can remove battery. If they come up with another way to change battery then that would be great.

One last thing about camera is I see s4 has a massive lens. Lets see if its better than s3 as in low light that was awful.

Thanks for thread its really useful.

Custom Stock ROM v4.1 Eternity

Brilliantly Stock
[One (M7) General] Marcismo55:
Have you guys seen this review by Gizmodo?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Gizmodo's Camera Samples are Awe Inspiring

Full res at the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gizmodo/sets/72157632998220209
[One (M7) General] Hessia:
Those camera samples are awesome! Like the plant with green and yellow
[One (M7) General] coupetastic-droid:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

That is lag galore coming from that device. Sense 5 is so much sweeter.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Qualcomm confirms Snapdragon 600 for Samsung GALAXY S 4
[One (M7) General] HebeGuess:
I'm wondering will the SnapDragon to be clocked at 1.9Ghz as mentioned by the press.. Lol.. Words from Sammy: We must run faster than you HTC.
[One (M7) General] puremind:
This may be a silly question, but can you not overclock the 600 in the One like Samsung does in the S4 U.S. version and save your money? Seems this will be equivalent if not better.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ofcourse you can
[One (M7) General] CamoGeko:
Snapdragon in the Nexus 4 can be overclocked up to 1.9Ghz.

Thats pretty epic I say. :D
[One (M7) General] strip419:
An overclocked exynos5 octer will still be faster than an overclocked s600 secondly the GPU of the exynos is way better, higher fps and higher fill rate(a good thing for a 441ppi screen)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
we still dont know the clocks of the GPU how can you say better really?

and you must be dreaming if you think you can OC the OCTA

example: the One X a year later we still can not OC it beyond 100mhz due to the heavy thermals

anyway im tired of this really

i do my best to supply facts in fact i exhaustively attack qualcomm for not pushing developers for more effects on their GPUs and i attack HTC for ondemand governor dipping fps in games

i also analyse GPUs and everything you need about SOCs exhaustively

still this is not stopping many around here from "wishful thinking"

Anand is clearly worried about thermals on the octa as evident and when they asked they were clearly told 1.2ghz A15 and 1.6 A7

still nothing will do, we are simply hitting a wall of bricks

seems i have really understimated the power of marketing

i call it quits, will be be back when i have my One at hand

a Dieu
[One (M7) General] mnbrennan:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Finally I got it today. Man this thing is loud!!
[One (M7) General] puremind:
This is a fair comment, however I think Samsung customers are less loyal than Apple customers used to be...Moving to a different brand is much easier coming from Android, as you can rely on a pretty similar Software experience!

Also, HTC is not trying to target the bulk of the Samsung customer base. They are mainly interested in the style-craying crowd (the premium market segment) and they have already said that they are quite happy with Samsung appealing to the masses because it is a more mainstream brand.

So in other words, HTC is aiming primarily at the Apple crowd plus the top tier of Samsung users that have higher style aspirations. HTC's CMO has made that premium positioning very clear-
[One (M7) General] HebeGuess:
Here is my translation from a taiwan forumer that query HTC for the gap issues on those showcase units at Taiwan. Just for you who still can't stand with it

---------- Post added at 02:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:43 AM ----------

I have no doubt that SnapDragon 600 can achieved but just wondering will samsung clocked it at 1.9Ghz as press stated. They may wanna choose to prove their octa exynos better by lowering CPU clock on their SnapDragon 600 GS IV varaint instead. Maybe they don't care neither..
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
The GPU clocks for the Exynos 5410 were not confirmed, they downclocked the hell out of the CPU, and 3 x 544 @ 533 MHz is a very high clock. All chips have a sweet spot of MHz / Voltage, when you exceed that voltage / heat / power draw increase rapidly. Intel managed 2 x 544 @ 533 MHz, but with a much smaller / power efficient dual-core.

Anyway, Qualcomm is everywhere, devs are saying nice things about the One, and not so nice things about Samsung, especially Cyanogenmod devs. I was unhappy last night, but today I'm in a great mood and wish HTC a massive sales success. Samsung has become arrogant & lazy, which is bad for Android given their market share, a strong HTC is vital for ALL Android fans, last night we saw the future of a Samsung monopoly, it wasn't pretty.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes this is the exact why i got depressed this morning

anyway as promised im quitting for some time

but your post was too good to ignore

sadly no one is seeing what we are seeing
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Good post, with Apple people assume (rightly or WRONGLY) that they buy into a culture / movement. I would love somebody to tell me, what cultural values Samsung represents.