yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
vigoos, we don't want this yet. Spamming the CEO is disrespectful, he is a representative person to negotiate with and the petition will be addressed to him. We want them to respect us, so we keep the good style and the protocol. I hope I made this clear.

Again, people we need to be organised about this:

We don't spam the CEO.

I'm sure you understand why.

The reason you spam the regular channels is because when you contact them initially, they don't actually listen to you - even if the employee who replies wants to, he cannot because he is not trained for that, his job is to deal with lower level issues. First we have to break this and get noticed by the supervisors and managers which then spreads up to the key people who have the word to initiate corporate decisions.

But for this we need to be taken serious. Spamming here means you hold on and don't let them to ignore your claim and face them with the facts that you have understood by educating yourself, like a badass journalist. And tweeting to their Twitter and posting to their FB and so on. But again not like an angry mob but organised, this is why we are writing the petition.

Remember what hasoon2000 said:
[HTC Desire C] hasoon2000:
Let me reiterate a few things.

S-Off: Don't bother asking HTC for it. NEVER going to happen. As I said, some skillful people can help. Ask beaups, jcase or the Unlimited.IO time. They will need the phone and some testers. That is if they want to get S-Off for it.

4.0.4: Maybe. Maybe Not. It's a budget phone and with the new HTC One, they honestly won't care about that update.

Emailing the CEO: Don't. I mean, DON'T. You have to make a statement to HTC and HTCDev. You need to rile up the people and make it more known. When the petition starts and more people are involved, I'll talk to the XDA newswriter to write up an article on this. He's written many articles about me and my toolkits. He also covered the petition for the Amaze 4G.

When HTCDev emails you, they will ignore 99.99% of the things you said in the email. Respond back and bring those points back up. Tell them that you would like everything to be addressed and not just do selective reading. Continue emailing back and forth and do not stop. They will get sick of it. Trust me. I believe they hate me lol. Show them you won't give up and that you will make a point.

When news spreads from the XDA Portal, other sites will cover it as well. So don't worry. PR will be easy when things begin to mature.

If people need their stories checked/reviewed/etc, post it here and ask me to look at it. PLEASE, DO NOT PM ME. I have designated neoyoli as the Desire C representative to contact me. I receive a million and one PMs as is. I am doing this as a favor to help you guys out. If you don't see me respond within 24 - 36 hours, have neoyoli PM me. Remember, I am a busy college student. I do things when I have time and I have many projects for my toolkits that I am working on when I have my own time.
[HTC Desire C] vigoos:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Atleast we can very politely narrate the situation to him. He must Atleast know how deaf their team is

Sent from my HTC Salsa running Farrago! v2 by vigoos using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2.
[HTC Desire C] hasoon2000:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

If I was a ceo of a huge company and you emailed me and I have no idea what you're talking about, I wouldn't care what you say. People in executive positions have a job to do. They have to expand their company and make critical decisions. You think they care that you want some files? Not at all. A few hundred dollars is nothing compared to multi million/multi bullion dollar deals. Think it clearly and don't email the CEO.

Sent From My HTC One S via Someone's Room ;)
[HTC Desire C] vigoos:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

K... Lemme device a better plan now.

Sent from my HTC Salsa running Farrago! v2 by vigoos using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
man, why would you want a better plan when this is what has worked for the Amaze 4G forum? And honestly it makes perfect sense, they experimented quite a lot if you check their thread.

We have to be united, there is simply no other way but to act as a community, this is our only but biggest strength. Otherwise we are f**ucked as we are, no CM9, AOKP no nothing or with just crazy amount of reverse engineering until Desire C gets outdated and you'll be as cool as your granny lol.

The only thing we need to do is to follow their example.
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
Where is the support?

What worries me is the numbers .

I just did a quick add up of the Nameless downloads and both russells downloads and it comes to about 134 . Now take into account peeps like me who like to keep a Repositry and so download all 3 :o we have maybe 100 people downloading roms and x amount who keep their phone stock .

A massive 13 people have voted in this thread . It's hitting one button and only 13 can be bothered.

Honestly this concerns me .
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
He already knows it;) http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-c...ore-decisive?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter

And that's very good for us when releasing the petition. But he is our lucky strike, we don't spam him.

We need to have more email conversations with the company, guys, post not only what they replied because we already know that, post also what you have replied to them.

I will do the same, once I get a response finally.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Next time we come up with a more exciting poll lol.

But yes, hitting the poll like the thanks is also a way to show that you care;)

So let's say we have around 100 people who are downloading ROMs, estimation anyone, on who many users we have total?
[HTC Desire C] vigoos:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

The problem is I don't have a desire c but I got a salsa. I'm against HTC for them not supporting development efforts. They lied a lot to me so I wanna crack them up.

Sent from my HTC Salsa running Farrago! v2 by vigoos using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2.
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
As said before we should try to get the number of people supporting this upcoming petition up more and try to et it as high as we can. What I mean by this maybe it would be a good idea to spread the word through your friends and family and see what they think, if they believe in the cause then we will have more people supporting us, and signing the petition. Hence perhaps making it much easier for us to win this.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
That's fine mate, I suggest you to have a good read on hasoon2000's thread. Although if you contact HTC please do it in the name of Salsa users not in the name Desire C users, except if you support our cause, but then do it our way please.

Otherwise when we both made progression we can come together and join forces or something, and we can help each other out with signing petitions.

So why did they lie to you?

BTW how did you find the thread?
[HTC Desire C] vigoos:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Internal memory. They told me that salsa will have 512 MB internal memory but it was 150. I rooted salsa and saw system memory was 260 so it still totals to 410.

Even when ICS was released they told salsa will get ics. But then they told it doesn't work as efficiently so they didn't release ics. But they could have Atleast shared with us the resources they used.

Wildfire S which also did not get Official ICS has it with sense working. So essentially what they told was proven a lie.

Third is their creepy developer support. No help whatsoever.

Fourth is their non chalent behaviour with developers.

Fifth is now violation of open source licence as we see now.

I totally support your cause. Let's do something together. On our forum there are about 10 active users. More than 150 for wildfire s.

Sent from my HTC Salsa running Farrago! v2 by vigoos using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
We can help you out with signatures if you start your initiative, but I don't even know how many we will get, we just try what we can.

Other then that there's not too much we can offer at the moment because our priority is the source code of our WiFi driver. Sorry mate.
[HTC Desire C] intel007:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

The reason that the wildfire s and ChaCha never got official 4.0 support was due to the fact that they were only using arm6 processors, which were not compatible.

Even devs from Qualcomm tried to develop some omx video drivers for the development community and failed.

The wildfire s does have ports of ics and jelly bean, but they are not perfect, as for HTC I would say its not their fault they couldn't deliver for arm6 devices, there's just to much holding those devices back and there would be a lot more unhappy customers if they supplied a buggy or crippled update.
[HTC Desire C] vigoos:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

I am fine with supporting you now

Sent from my HTC Salsa running Farrago! v2 by vigoos using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
That's very much appreciated, thank you. Stay tuned:)
[HTC Desire C] :
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Wow.

Some time ago I had a budget HTC phone, even without Android (HTC Smart F3188 or whatever) and it was so low-end phone. It even didn't have Wi-Fi.. Tho I liked the look and overall functionality they brought to that phone with Sense.

Now I have another low-end phone, except it has Android - the LG Optimus One P500. It is one of the worst phones by specification, but luckily the developers over our side of forum could do much and made very stable ICS ports and are still continuing with the latest JB ports already progressing.

Back to topic. I partitally know what it takes to build a working ROM. And Wi-Fi is one of the things without which using, switching, et cetera tinkering with ROMs may be hard. And I'm truly supporting you.

As soon as I'll get back from my trip, I'll help you whatever it takes to. And I'll share this stuff to everyone who will care.

--

P>

Tapatalked from my LG Optimus One running random Protos ROM
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
WoW, thank you very much paul.n! You'll find us here:)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
First response

I just got the response from HTC, and it is not at all what I expected, I will keep you posted.

My reply:
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Getting somewhere. :D
[HTC Desire C] hasoon2000:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Don't let this fool you. I've been told this before and they probably won't get back to you. Wait about 3-4 days. If no response, then follow up on it.

Sent From My HTC One S via Someone's Room ;)
[HTC Desire C] utsav17:
they r just ignoring us...i think we dont have future in jB .. we can try asking for the sources enstein . frat asked !
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
That's exactly what we do, good call sherlock:p
[HTC Desire C] Phenziox:
The most important thing now is the WiFi driver. let's do that first and maybe then we can port some cm10 as well
[HTC Desire C] utsav17:
lol :cowboy:;)
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
HTC

this is my reply

Meh I didn't bother with the details as it was the first email , oh well now for the next
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Thanks Richard, for the next one post the entire conversation, your mail and what you have replied too.
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
I have got another email back from htc:

They want some more information to escalate it, what you guys think?
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
Well it at looks like they are looking into things for us , which is a start .
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
I think give the details that are related to our cause, but IMEI has definitely nothing to do with it. And they know our Android number, Sense version and so on. Postal address if you are not afraid of the men in black lol.

They won't give the code yet anyway, but they will know we are here and we want it, so be diplomatic and express your hope for co-operation or you know, say something that defines the lines.

Paste your original email too in the post so we can see the whole conversation.

Indeed, like the one I got, it looks like less of BS for a start then for the Amaze 4G guys.
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Haha the man in black is coming to get me. LOL

I can't get to my first email sent for some reason so this is my second one, and the response and previous page is their answer.

This is my Second email:

I used a some other references to make it because, quite frankly i am crap at writing things. :)
[HTC Desire C] hasoon2000:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

I still don't understand why they want your IMEI number. They'll probably just void your warranty. Email HTCDev and not HTC. HTCDev is your best bet since they have the kernel source

Sent From My HTC One S Via Someone's Room ;)
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
This was the HTCdev website, i can't understand it why would they want it?

Well do you think it would b a good idea for me to ask about it?

I will send them all the other information, just not my IMEI number because that is mine. :)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
That way will be the GPL licence. They already have the code somewhere deep in a server room, only if I was a hacker lol

I guess this is just part of the template they send, because they don't know yet what they are dealing with here haaahahahahah
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
I guess so, i'll reply back to them, and post back my results. :)

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This is the email i sent to them:

I am now awaiting a response :)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
"ath6kl_sdio.ko" was released under the GPL licence: http://modules.libres.ch/browse/linux/v3.4/mips/ath6kl_sdio/

Problem, officer?
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
HTC have been owned lol, you should tell them that. :)
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
2 more

Woot 2 more people have acknowledged this thread exists , thankyou guys or girls and please spread the word and point your mates to here . The more who write the stronger our case

all the best

Richard
[HTC Desire C] TheRedHunter:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

A few of us should send that to them.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
YES, send your emails guys! Not a few of us but ALL of us.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
2nd response

Gosh, what a surprise:D

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blablabla

Let's see if they become more precise why not:
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
From the Home Screen, press Menu, Settings, About phone, Legal information, HTC Legal, and start scrolling. In part 4, it reads:

honestly, what they are thinking?
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
That is ridiculous! 3 years!

Think that is wrong, very very wrong they should be pulled up on that.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
lol, they don't give it until they are not obliged to give it wtf?
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

All I can is, if they carry on with stupid stuff like this, there will be no such company called HTC. They need to sort themselfs out big time.

On another note this is the reply I got from them, regarding my IMEI number:

Still sounds a little flaky, I don't trust them so I'm not going though with it.

However it still baffles me why they need such info, it is software not hardware.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
The funny thing is that they are totally inconsistent in their reply, from some of us including me they didn't ask for it. Maybe it depends entirely on the agent and so it is not accountable at all since they don't have the power to do anything to release the code, and they are allowed to think in templates only.

Explain them why it is unrelated to the wifi driver and that you are requesting it the name of the community not for yourself, it's not your case with them, it's our case with them. And try not to argue about the IMEI too much, this just gives them the chance to further bs about their arbitrary rules, which in this level does not apply to us anyway. Push it to the main objective which is the driver.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Or start an other one and just skip the IMEI part if they ask for it.
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
They asked for my IMEI number too .

I copy and pasted russells reply for that bit ;p

So I can look forward to them asking again . thing is I don't care what they do with the info so I will give it next time :good:
[HTC Desire C] utsav17:
dont lose momentum guys :)
[HTC Desire C] TheRedHunter:
If this guy isn't lying to me then we are on the good way.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Hey TheRedHunter, paste your original email too in the post, it might help others who will write.

And thanks for the sig too;)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
tic-tac-tic-tac

the agent changed back to more formal.
[HTC Desire C] SaM`:
This is what they replied me back

Dear SaM,

Thank you for contacting HTC regarding Kernel Source code. I know that this code is important to the development community and I will be happy to assist you with the correct information regarding this.

HTC is committed to assisting customers in getting kernel source code for HTC devices. We will release source code in accordance with any applicable open source license terms. We are working to release appropriate kernel code bases as soon as possible after device launch but we cannot guarantee the exact time frame. Other source codes, which are not required to be disclosed by the open source license terms, unfortunately cannot be disclosed by HTC as they may be proprietary to HTC or its licensor. For more information about the licensing of the TI WLAN, please contact Texas Instruments by clicking here:

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu...&DCMP=MISCELLANEOUS+Other&HQS=Other+OT+wilink http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Android_wireless_build_and_porting_guide

Permission to use this code is at the discretion of Texas Instruments. Please contact them regarding any licensing requirements. Keep an eye on http://developer.htc.com for more information. I hope you enjoy your week, SaM.

If this answers your comment or question, please click here to complete the process.

To submit another comment, please click here.

Sincerely,

The HTCDev Team

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We are unable to receive replies to this email account. Please visit us at www.htcdev.com if you have any questions or need further assistance.

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE : The information in this e-mail is confidential and privileged; it is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named as the recipient hereof. Disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail by persons other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may violate applicable laws. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete the original message and notify us by return email or collect call immediately. Thank you. HTC Corporation

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Tht Link above is a guide how to port or make wifi drivers !! its a guide i think someone here can make it hopefully !!! i hope it helped i emailed them 3 times but everytime i got weird replies
[HTC Desire C] hasoon2000:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Th link is useless. You need the source they used or else WiFi won't work. We had a kernel dev who made his own and WiFi wouldnt work. If HTC doesn't give it, you will need to force it from them.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
SaM`, paste your original email in, we need to see the entire conversation.

Our driver was made by Atheros Communications Inc. not Texas Instruments.

You will get weird replies so they expect you to give it up.

They are talking only generally, you need to be explicit and call them out. Tell them what and why, let's see their whats and whys because this is Bullsh*t we all know that.

And if they say something stupid embarrass them by stating the facts so they need to give a better explanation, usually an other agent takes over then, possibly higher ranked, and this is what we need.
[HTC Desire C] einstein.frat:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

They keep replying with this TI wlan sh*t, it's not even close to ath6kl. Also why would they include ath6kl_sdio.ko module if it's TI wlan, bunch of fggts think this desire c is the wildfire s. Forget it, it must be some sort of bot that is replying to us.

btw, i've patched nameless kernel upto v 3.0.35 linux upstream, and just change ver. to 3.0.16 in order for wifi again to work, update later.

Sent from my HTC Desire C
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
That's even better start for us because we can embarrass them by making obvious that they don't even know their own products. Of course they know, but the low-ranked agents sending customised templates only, we need get through these.

That would be the easiest part to give it up, don't do that yet!
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
check this out, in the higher positions they know their customer service is crap and they are not happy about it, and this is good once we get through their army of androids lol

http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-c...ore-decisive?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
[HTC Desire C] einstein.frat:
Check out this junk mail they sent to me months ago when munjeni and I

finding out how to build ath6kl wireless module, and it's for old kernel 2.6

and not ath6kl. not desire c ar6003 wifi hardware
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
ath6kl was released under by Atheros Communications Inc. not TI, and under the GPL so it is not proprietary. Tell this in your reply.

And ask what is the "different licensing" they are referring to. We want to know that.
[HTC Desire C] einstein.frat:
it's no reply email.

this is what we need http://www.atheros.com/mobile/technology.php?nav1=6&product=67

where did ar6003 name came from, can anybody show us a link where we can get information about

our wifi chips or hardware name for desire c?
[HTC Desire C] odunluzikkim:
@einstein.frat, maybe this? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2159246
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
Just come

Just noticed this doh

we might want to delete all their replies from this thread so we arn't in violation
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Let's not get into this IMEI thing, it leads nowhere, if the agent doesn't want to get over it, start an other round, for some of us they never asked.

I never heard they would ***** around about this, they would lose face and it would be a bad PR, come on, who are we? But if they do we delete it, until then let's not worry about it.

On the other hand, it is better probably to omit the name of the agents.
[HTC Desire C] einstein.frat:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Dude I copied so many ath6kl from compat and other kernel source with ath6kl included it just compiles with so many errors even successfull built by compat but it doesn't work, we need one from htc.

Sent from my HTC Desire C
[HTC Desire C] utsav17:
looks like they r not gonna release it :( :( any alternative or something ??
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
stop trolling around dude, we are trying to do something about it.
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

For the people who say we can't get it, never will etc...

Don't say that, anything can happen we need to work on HTC to get them to listen to us, persistence is key here.
[HTC Desire C] vigoos:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

The best thing we can do to the PR people is to keep informing them about violation of open source code and tell them we legally have an upper hand. But end the mail by saying it is in good faith am I not doing anything.

Sent from my HTC Salsa C510e using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[HTC Desire C] uchihasparky:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2159246

^WiFi driver found!!! (I think) ;):thumbup:
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Unfortunately only the copyright holder has the right to legally force the GPL, and since they are business partners, they won't.

uchihasparky, you misunderstood the post, we have the driver but not its Desire C source code.
[HTC Desire C] TheRedHunter:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

We could ask them to provide us with the source code that is under GPL not that freaking modified source by HTC.
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

I'm no expert on this but I guess the generic source code is available, but we need the one from HTC to make it work with our kernel, isn't it?
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
I'm waiting for a reply from HTC, i will post both my email and theirs. :)

Hopefully it will be soon...