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[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Interview with product manager of HTC germany (main topic: updates!)

According to him, the reason why the HTC One is at 4.1.2 at the moment is that when they decided on a stable basis in 2012, there was no stable/good enough 4.2.x version of Android available - that's why they chose to optimize for quality instead of going for the newest Android version. He said there was of course the possiblity to wait for 4.2, but in their opinion there was no feature in 4.2 that would have justified the delay. He also said it was a bit bad timing. Coding the update to 4.2.x is a matter of weeks, the QA process takes way longer (internally, handing it out to operators, testing it again,...). In addition (and that's maybe news to you) they have to give the final version to Google themselves.

That's more or less the first ~2 minutes translated. The rest wasn't really interesting. One X and One S obviously get Sense 5 but there was no ETA (neither for Sense 5 nor for 4.2 for the One).

Edit: And sorry for the absolute crappy english, I translated it on the go and haven't really thought about nice sentences - I hope you understand what I was trying to say :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Any words about 4.2 early OTA?
[One (M7) General] mattman83:
That gem again. You can make the same argument that anything less than 7-8" is wasted being 1080p. So.. yeah... every flagship phone at the moment is stupid for using 1080p, of course.

M.
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Nope, no word, sadly. No words at all about any ETAs. He said "rather months than weeks" for the One X/S - but that's kinda obvious.
[One (M7) General] shox22:
He said, they are "of course" working on an update for the one. But he said nothing about a date.
[One (M7) General] janarp:
LOL u really belive this??
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
After seeing Chinese manufactuer ZTE claiming a S800 processor when it was really only a S4...

No.

lol
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/306808312291291136/photo/1

still hoping for exynos 5 octa in international s4....lol
[One (M7) General] jesr:
This is part of the presentation of China Mobile's 2013 line up... check the source I posted.

EDIT: of course I'm not saying the ONE will have those specs in the international version. I'm just reporting the hypothesis of different versions for specific markets.
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
I personally think that the no-AMOLED and no-Octa is a rumour set out by the marketing team of Samsung. This way, when they finally announce the S4 with AMOLED and Octa, everyone is going to be "WHOA" instead of "Mkay, knew it".

Classic marketing 101.
[One (M7) General] jotha:
Thread closed

This thread in it's old form is closed. It will be continued by [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2410870

as a read only information thread.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
A Fresh Restart

After the Out of Topic trouble we faced in the old thread, the mods and myself have decided to start a new a sticky mega information thread, this time in read only format

The new thread will post news strictly to HTC One (M7) hardware and software, it will also cover tests, reviews and finds about various topics like the Snapdragon 600 SOC, Adreno 320 GPU, Ultrapixel camera, Sense 5, Google Edition, future updates, Gaming performance and Custom kernels

If anybody feels i have missed a piece of important information you can send it to me via PM and i will be sure to give you the credits

This thread will now continue in the following:

HTC One (M7) - Snapdragon 600 - Mega Information Thread (new)

For those who like to continue the more general HTC action from the old thread, I will be contributing to the following Off-topic thread by [MENTION=2848156]DeSaint2[/MENTION]:

HTC Flagships - Mega Tech Discussion Thread
[One (M7) General] PaKii94:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Good enough lol. I take everything with a grain of salt until it actually happens. My previous g2x was promised ics by q3 of 2012 but randomly canceled. The international version got ics in January and the USA use rs got left in the dust
[One (M7) General] :
^^ Very much possible. If everything is known, where is the surprise element left?

BTW, with so much of marketing spent on Exynos (first CES, then ISSCC, now MWC), it's a total wastage for them not to use it in the phones unless there is some genuine problem. It's a potential marketing juggernaut for them. The name Octa itself will probably sell a few millions. Just imagine the fights over this

name

in XZ forums. We somewhat-informed folks fight over such brand names, imagine how their marketing people can milk this name throughout 2013.

Just posted 2 days back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbVwIjxua7M

I think it's all ground work laid for March 14th. Mis-information can become a wonderful tool.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC is not LG they do update their flagships

look how many updates the One X received and now promised Sense 5 among with the One S and X+
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea I agree its just too absurd to keep advertising exynos octa n skip it in their 2013 flagship

anyway if true, then HTC just exited the top end war, although many will still buy the one for its quality n features, power lovers will not resist the s4

I personally can not care less about the cpu, the quad a9 on tegra 3 are already plenty

lets see how the power vr gpu will do, i dont think they will clock it too high with such power envelope
[One (M7) General] mouzaihem:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Samsung is making it hard to not be enticed with their octa. Coming from someone who has had every HTC phone to be had since the 8125. Still, I'm going to go with the one. Not a huge gamer, just hope for good battery life.

On a side note, does anyone have any idea when the phone will be released in the middle east? Specifically Lebanon and by whom
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
If it is the Octa...

It will make my decision much harder.

WHERE are all the HTC one reviews!?
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Regarding the Display of the Xperia Z:

There seems to be a HUGE driver/kernel/calibration problem. Look at this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2155145&page=27

Ouch?!
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
octa is only a name, never uses 8 cores at time, is more a way off reduce aet power of a15
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Well, but they will still advertise it as Octa. Octa sells, believe me ;)
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
I know...

But I feel confident that Samsungs offering will be more powerful and will use less power.
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
will sell much rsrs, i have a galaxy too, its a good device, but there some points made me buy htc one
[One (M7) General] sgt. slaughter:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

The One is different ad it had the APQ8064 notation which is eerily similar to the S600 as it is just APQ8064T.... I'm thinking the T just wasn't being notated in the device correctly...

If the device is coming with the S800 trust me it is a BIG difference hardware wise then a prototype with the S4pro or even S600....

You are totally forgetting about the radio connectivity which changes dramatically the board layout as you no longer need the MDM chipset with the 800.... They won't prototype much for a device they plan to put the 800 in with anything but the actual 800 itself now... No supply concerns. Qualcomm said it was already in 50 design devices or so at CES being worked on then by OEMs...
[One (M7) General] trukenx:
Ridiculous

I am Getting Sick And tired of Companies Twisting Technical term Used to Mark Benchmarks in the Tech World For Marketing... NVIDIA did not Call the Tegra 3 TEGRA 3 Penta Core Processor..

Just another Samsung Marketing and it works too they actually Got People Willing to Pay More For Cheaper Mad Substandard Products... I keep Saying HTC Needs To Step up their Game in Marketing If they are Gonna Compete
[One (M7) General] :
You giving too much attention to branding. They could even name it a deca or a hexa. Everything is as valid as other. This is brilliant marketing. HTC should try to learn from this. This is exactly what I meant when I said we people in XDA fight over a

brand name

. Imagine the impact over common folk. You can't fault them. It's not that they are giving you any wrong information. They couldn't have given a better brand name. Their marketers can literally milk it for a year non-stop if the SoC makes it to the phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbVwIjxua7M

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/benefits.pdf
[One (M7) General] upsch2000:
O2 Germany said it will be available for pickup on the 6th of march if you preordered it.
[One (M7) General] TrancerSte:
HTC themselves are guilty of falling into the "more cores / more POWER" branding trap with the One X+, which is basically just an overclocked Tegra 3 One X. A phone which I maintain you would be mental to buy instead of the much more refined, power frugal and just as fast, dual core S4 powered One XL variant (with the added bonus of LTE).

I see Engadget are gushing with praise and superlatives for the HTC One tough, and they named the One X as the best phone of last year, which I am inclined to agree with.

Not sure I can justify upgrading from my One XL so soon, but I really hope the One does well enough that HTC are still around to make an SGS 5 alternative a year or so from now.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Yawnnn this again XL is not as fast as T3 especially in multitasking gaming and free ram, tons of research at my other thread.
[One (M7) General] trukenx:
Actually No don't agree with you at ALL on this one I think Consumers Have Gotten Way too complaisant and US Educated Tech GUYS/GALS are one of the Reasons why... Samsung is Marketing their Product as Using 8 cores and the uninformed buyers would think... Damn That's 4 more cores than others that i could use for gaming, web browsing ETC which is completely false and we are helping to spreading the Lie. I really don't Care which Brand Does it... I don't Mind Marketing to Highlight you product Pros. Marketing to Flat at Deceive your Buyer is what i have an issue with and Us the People who our Friends and Family Look towards for information on Technology just saying "well its Just Marketing" is Unacceptable
[One (M7) General] Tuborg68:
Interesting comparasion between the HTC One and Nokia Lumia 920 in low light conditions.

http://ukmobilereview.com/manufacturers/m-htc/mwc-2013-nokia-lumia-920-vs-htc-one-camera-test/#

Apparently the Nokia performs better in low lights here. Hope HTC:s results can be explained by early firmware and improve with updates.
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
HTC One (black) Scratchtest (...wait for it!)

[youtube]_EWqPpYVE08[/youtube]
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
According to Clove, it will support 2.6 GHz:

http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-one
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Wow, that goes clean :)
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
HTC should have pick a 13mp camera instead of playing the smart guy,this 4up tech is only better in some situations,I am not defending the ''more mp is better'' for quality photos but at least it gives you a larger choice for cropping for sure.

I hope the final camera driver will give better results to compensate, now who will port Zoe app to OneX? :D

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If only my car's paint was like that :eek:
[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

How do you know that exynos wont perform. I will bet you that it will be better in power, efficiency and battery... and all that marketing sentiments are part of any product.. even htc had it..

Or just look at the back of your htc phones and the answer is written in red- beats.. overrated and it can be easily duplicated by your equalizer ..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

This is real? Because is very good!
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Ok cancelled and pre-ordered the black one again! Damn you guys :D I already cancelled and re ordered HTC One black and silver for like 9 times already I hope clove won't blacklist me for spamming their cart with this pre orders.
[One (M7) General] MrKaon:
yes you are right:

so in this case regardless of your network its 4G ready.

Thanks
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
well yesterday at HTC elevate they mentioned they will not post any official images before the software is in finalized, he said they still have few weeks to go (last year they posted few on HTC blog)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes but the video is not bright enough to show us what damage is left

i mean he did wipe up the scuffs but im pretty sure it left some damage

it's tempting to get the black however....

ill link this video from the OP for those interested in the black
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
The reason why SGSIV was delayed was because of exynos 5 making the phone a portable oven toaster. So they decided to instead put qualcomm snapdragon 600 on SGSIV so they could at least release the device in time.

So don't even say that exynos 5 would have better power, efficiency and battery cause what's happening now is the other way around.

And also beats is not overrated. It is great! The only headsets which I could say can beat beats lol is audio technica and Sennheiser
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
You guys know that Adreno 320 is GPGPU compute capable right? it means you can use the GPU for compute CPU like tasks, I'm assuming HTC is using this ability in HTC Zoe

and check this

OpenCL drivers discovered on Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 devices

I really hope OpenCL is exposed on the HTC One as well, it would allow for some interesting dev stuff

here is CLbenchmark running on the Nexus 10

[YOUTUBE]GrqKJehawr8[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One Ultrapixel Whitepaper (PDF)
[One (M7) General] itsmemuffins:
Very impressive :good:
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
So, you're saying that if a company or person does something that is unambiguously wrong, somehow it stops being wrong if other companies and people do it too? So, for example, if I murder someone, that's wrong, but if several other people are also going around murdering people in the same city, that means it okay for me to do it, and people should stop complaining when I do?

I don't think that argument really holds water. If Samsung's marketing is deceptive and unethical, the fact that someone else's marketing is questionable doesn't somehow make Samsung's less deceptive or unethical.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
everyone is making fun of the octa label including anandtech so yes it is definitly wrong, in fact anand said on the chip's printed codes it actually labels it as a 4 cores part and not 8

still i agree, the trick will work and will sell like hotcakes...dont underestimate the power of the average joe :D
[One (M7) General] i9100g user:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Then what should have they named it ? 2 quad cores ? That would been even more confusing

But I find it better than "72" gpu cores:D

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Samsung said that it will have 70% more power savings compared to exynos 4412

But we still dont know for sure if it will come with oct...exynos 5410 or s600

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[One (M7) General] hamdir:
they should call 4+4 just like nvidia called it 4+1

as for the 72, yes they are not actual cores but ALU count is a good metric as well, they still represent actual performance and can be used all in the same time, unlike the so called OCTA
[One (M7) General] :
It's designed to sell more phones. It's pure marketing, nothing else. But what is perplexing is that why someone could have a problem with a brand

name

? So, if Samsung names it's next phone as Galaxy S5, are we going to start complaining again? It's seems the whole point of such argument is that I don't like the name of the SoC. Really?? They can name their product anything.

If I go by same logic, Ultrapixel brand name also looks dodgy to me. It's afterall just pixel - albeit they are larger pixel sizes compared to other normal phones (leaving aside N8/808). If 2x2 is ultra, what should OEMs call 5x5 pixel-sizes? Elephant pixels!

I am actually glad that HTC tried to differentiate here. To explain the 4MP camera to the public, they need some sort of marketing campaign. This 'ultrapixel" brand will definitely help. It's definitely not unethical IMO. Octa is something very similar.

You, of all people should know that fighting over brand names is the worst thing we could do here. There were big battles over a brand name in XZ forum. Hopefully it won't happen here ;)
[One (M7) General] Chillz88:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Lol .... the whole point of discussion was based on the fact that it wont be delayed.. no one knows if its delayed..we just have to see.. it probably will be running s600

that was confusing:p.. and its not unethical.. its called marketing.. beats is considered as one of the most overarted tech of all time.. and htc did make a big deal out of it.. and its marketting .. its how a company strategizes and sells.. And there isnt anything wrong in it.. its called octa because it has 8 cores.. what do you want them to call it?. Dual quads??. Would be cooler.lol

I could show u a dozen sites that laughed when the htc made the beats move.. and yes octa and beats might be funny for tech people or proper audiophiles but thats marketting and it wont matter much to the normal joe.. it would only matter to us..

But I dont think if they release octa, it would be a joke...There are rumors that even other chip companies might follow the octa scheme. and I think it would easily be more better than s600... but maybe that wont matter because nowadays our cpus are already top notch and we will have to see if its battery effiecient enough and fast

There is nothing wrong in marketting and there is nothing unfair in it.. and htc will have to seriously do good marketting to fair good among samsung and iphones..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
I think the difference is intent. The name "ultrapixels" is intended to give people the impression that the pixels on the HTC One's camera are better than other people's pixels - which they are. "Octa", on the other hand, is intended to make people think "oh, that's an 8-core phone when everyone else's is quad-core, so it must be twice as powerful" - which is a lie. So, the one is a clumsy attempt to convey truth, while the other is a deliberate attempt to mislead. That's an important difference.
[One (M7) General] i9100g user:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

4+4 would been better though agreed.

But if all 8 cores can be used at a time is something not sort of finalised yet.

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[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Using 8 cores simultaneously will be a huge battery drainer

Sent from my DHD
[One (M7) General] i9100g user:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Not necessary 8 cores would be used all the time , for some benchmarks maybe ?
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
Beats is worse than useless, IMO; but a lot of people like it, and the relevance to this thread is that it is marketed as what it is - a way of modifying the audio output that many people think sounds better: the marketing is not a deliberate attempt to deceive. The Octa brand name is deliberately deceitful: it is specifically designed to make non-technical people think the chip has twice as much computing power as its quad-core rivals.

The honest way to market it would be to select a name that somehow encapsulates the fact that it is capable of both power and efficiency. I'm not a marketing person, so I'm not sure what that might be. :)
[One (M7) General] :
I am not going to start a fight over a brand name.

If you are really offended by a brand name, feel free to contact Samsung --

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/contact-us

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/contact

BTW, checkout Philip Kotler sometime. You might find his views interesting.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
I'm not remotely offended; I'm simply pointing out that if someone suggests an exact moral equivalence between "Octa" and "Ultrapixels" then that is objectively incorrect. I couldn't care less about the "Octa" brand personally, because I'm educated enough that I know that it's bull****, and selfish enough not to care about people who aren't and don't. :cool:
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Even if uses a7 cores is low power low clock, is marketing. Tegra 3 uses a low power cores and Dont made a great sucess
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

I got a call from HTC in reply to my email. They have declined 4.2 out of the box and they say inclusion of an LTE radio will be country specific. Countries with no 4G availability will be shipped with H+ models only

Sent from my DHD
[One (M7) General] i9100g user:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

But 70% more battery savings compared to exynos 4 quad looks good

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[One (M7) General] shox22:
You know that the 70% is the MAXIMUM you can get as energy saving? I´d bet you´ll never achieve that. if you surf/play/bench much, the a15 will rape your battery.

But i think the big litte concept is the way to go. a15 are just too power hungry to activate them all the time.