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[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Yep rat 9, well spotted haha, that's my baby, my pride and joy, I sleep with it in bed with me, lol, just kidding.

She is trying to scare you off, I bet she has no clue what the terms and conditions actually say, although I may be wrong here. A short response may be in order here, points to include should be, that no she hasn't cleared anything up, that there seems to be inconsistencies within htc regarding the source code as another user was told that it was included in htcdev, that another user received an email to say its been accelerated ( not sure the exact term they used, check whoamigriffiths post) also say in a nice way that she doesn't seem to know what she is talking about and you respectfully request a more knowledgeable agent to deal with.

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
I am willing to send emails to HTC. :p

Anyway i think it is a good plan what you have neoyoli, basically we are asking you guys; are you willing to put out a little time for the cause?

We need to gain as much people as we can to support this cause, we need numbers here, because without numbers HTC will most likely not consider the case at all.

Lets all throw out a thanks for Neoyoli for his hard work and dedication for the cause. Also lets not forget nevyntanis, for making notes and preparing a game plan, without any of this there wouldn't be a cause at all, all of you guys probably respect the amount of time and effort put in, but remember it isn't just for their benefit it is for yours too. :)

So if you can help out in anyway, don't hesitate to send a helpful email, or two. :)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
I'll check into this about the Terms and Conditions, but this is the first real bull****-smelling excuse they came up with, which I never even heard before, but again it could be an isolated case. Is there someone who can confirm this, based on the T&C if it can credible? Maybe nevyntanis, you could ask your friend about it.

Thanks Russ for the appointment, but the thanks for that post is really not necessary:angel: Let's just keep rolling!
[HTC Desire C] Phenziox:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Ready, willing and able to :D

I just hope they'll reply to my mail first:P
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Yep, will definitely do that, give me few hours. Will report back soon.

Sent from my HTC Vision

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There is nothing in the terms and conditions that apply to our problem. The only thing that may vaguely be of relevance is that they under no obligation to release code, but that to me is not the point really. The point is that they need to show consistency in their business practices and that they being unfair.

So that email to Russell was a bluff, a way to make him back off because they know most people won't or can't read through the legal mumbo jumbo. It seems to me these agents don't really know what they doing and or what we are asking.

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

I looks to me that I will have to send an email, saying about how the terms and conditions don't relate in anyway to the situation we are in, once I have written up the email I will send it to you guys to take a look. :)
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

I have a quick question for either russell, nikhil16242 or anybody else that knows the answer to this.

Is there a difference between driver and the source code or are they the same in this context? I assuming that the devs are using the driver/source for their roms from the stock rom, is this a correct assumption? Excuse my ignorance here.

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
I got a reply:

I think this is fair enough for now, it does not feel bull**** to me. Still, this was my correspondence with them, and we need far more to reach at least here, until we get some form of official answer, to which they gave their word twice now, so to speak. From there we'll have a wider perspective.

nevyntanis suggested to start an orchestrated email campaign, to make the correspondence more coherent with them, so we might have a better chance to make them to come out. I say let's try it, what do you think?

::::So, Phenziox, whoamigriffiths, russell664, nevyntanis, neoyoli, nilhil16242, who else do we have in the division?
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Neoyoli I think an orchestrated email campaign is a very good idea, thanks nevyntanis for coming up with it. :)

About the kernel source nikhil is pronerly the best person to comment on this but the ath6kl_sdio.ko is included inside the stock HTC Rom, in its complied state. What we need is the source for that module inside the kernel where it should be, and then WiFi will work on AOSP based Roms.

Okay then, so who else is in to send HTC emails and spare just a little time for this important cause?

Ask yourself this, do you want any CM based Rom to work properly on our device? If that answer is yes, then chip in and help make it happen.

As said before we need numbers here, and people to send intelligent emails to HTC to bring this cause to a whole new level.

Who's with us?
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Neoyoli, do you think if you asked them for a contact email in Tawain they would supply it. It may be worth a shot, I will try and find one myself, but if they provide it we can use them as a springboard. I have a Taiwanese client, he may help in translating it into their language, I will ask him tomorrow.

Thanks Russell, that pretty much clears up what I wanted to know about the drivers. I have compiled an email to HTC but I wonder if I should hold off and rather send it to big daddy support in Taiwan. Mmmmmmm, what to do! I will think on this.

I will compile 2 emails in the next day or so for us to use as a base to get our arguments across, this is just so we can focus our energy into the right type of correspondence not to dictate what you have to say. At the moment we all loosely sending mails with no real focus on the points that need to be addressed, so this is what the purpose the emails will be will be. Remember, suggestions on what to include and to say are not only welcome but necessary, I want us all to contribute to them so that each of our personalities will be in there. This will take a few days so patients is needed here too.

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] nikhil16242:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

I didn't understand this question :). Are you asking the difference between a pre build module and the source for building it ?
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Yes

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] nikhil16242:
Well. I am really not so good at explaining stuff but heres my take on this.A pre build module is the one which htc has build for its stock sense rom. I think we still use the one which einstein ripped from a stock ruu or his stock rom. So you could say ,it was specifically build for a Sense4 rom and we are still able to use this same module in custom kernels by renaming the kernel to the one from stock ruu.

So basically a pre build module has several disadvantages which prevents the dev from doing certain modifications to his/her kernel , since the module may not work after these modifications to the kernel source . But if the complete kernel source was made available then probably these modifications would work as the module would be build accordingly while compiling.

Since custom Roms like CM9 , aokp etc are a lot different from a sense based rom , I dont think the stock module would work on such roms

(Either this or there is something wrong with the device tree used to build CM9) .
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Re: [INFO] Emails to HTC

Thanks nikhil, your explanatory poweress cannot be all that bad if a noob like me can get it :D

I need to do a bit of selling here, so please bear with me, but are you going to join us in our quest, to go where no Desire C has gone before and try get the source from HTC, we need guys like you mate?

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] nikhil16242:
I have been with you guys from the start and will continue to do so aswell :highfive: , I am just waiting for a reply to my previous email to htc.
[HTC Desire C] mellow'd:
I'm in .! Have read through this whole thread and the Amaze related one so (i think) i know what stupid **** NOT to say

I'm not great with word's though so not expecting much but the more the merrier right?
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Sure, I'll ask it.

Thanks man, we'll help you out if you'll need it, just tell us:good:
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
Cyber stalker alert

I was going to make a new thred but I thought I'd put it here instead , though I may change my mind yet .

Be warned I will be stalking members of this Forum and nagging you at inappropriate times to add your support to this thread

You have been warned :p:p
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Watch out for Rich, he might be behind you lol. :p

Joking aside, I think it is great new people are willing to help out with the cause, it is truely great the more people we have the better.

So one final time, you are willing to put aside some time, and help out the cause, do it we need numbers against a company like HTC.

Strength here is numbers, more emails, more people means that HTC will be more aware of the issue we are having. :)

One more time, who is with us?
[HTC Desire C] arvinivra:
i email too
[HTC Desire C] SaM`:
i kept sending them emails !!! but they seem to send me useless rplies i dont get it !! sometimes they say we dont cant do anything sometimes they refer me to some site and ask me to build wifi source code by myself !! i dont see a point we do we even hav to ask for it which should be provided by HTC itself !! im gonna send them a big email today and see what happens in the mean time !! they told me to go check their htc dev ( asusual) i did go and i m not sure so i wanna ask !!

Desire C

HTC

WWE

CRC

3.0.16

v4.0	96.3 MB

2.04.1136.4

this version is on top !! and its 2.04 while all others are 2.00 so im downloading it right now to see if this is the new one they provided :) ( fingers crossed )

edit : sorry guys its the same one which came out last time !! and doesnt contain full source code ( thanx nikhil for pointing tht out )
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
SaM`, soon we gonna come out with some emails which we'll send them orchestrated, let's see what their next move will be, are you in?

And you can always post their reply here if you feel stuck with them.

...aand I'm curious about that 2.04:fingers-crossed:
[HTC Desire C] SaM`:
yes mate im totally in !! i pasted their replies in earlier posts but they kept sending me the same thing again and again so i didnt think there was any point !!! neways im planing to send them a big email !! and i also posted this thread link in my rom !! and asked user to help in this cause :D
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Awesome, you're the guy, thanks a lot man:highfive:
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Great SaM, one more person helping out the cause. :thumbup:

We need more though. :P

Any takers?
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Hey Guys, we are getting ready with the emails and the battle plan, check back tomorrow;)

But we need more people to join, because we want to push a synchronised spamming operation through. Huge amount of emails from different sources in a very short time - just to make sure they notice us hehe

So far we have SaM`, russell664, arvinivra, Phenziox, whoamigriffiths, mellow'd, nevyntanis, neoyoli, nilhil16242. - That's 9, we'll need more then that if we want to be effective.

According to the poll at least 32 people wants an AOSP or CyanogenMod rom, that 32 people would be enough for a start:D Here's your chance to do something about it >>>>>

Come and join us now, and enjoy all the fancy ROMs we'll have later, who is in?

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[HTC Desire C] Jaizu:
I am Spanish and that complicates things, especially when explaining well. Yet still the topic and I give my support to the case.

Good luck and hopefully notice yourselves!
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
hey Jaizu, good to see you mate! In the first round we are sending some custom emails in a short time, with only some small differences, so you don't need to worry about the language, you can come to increase our numbers. What do you say?
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Thanks mate, we got you covered, check back tomorrow. We need people like you to get involved, dont let the language barrier stop you.

Gracias compañero, tenemos todo cubierto, vuelva mañana. Necesitamos gente como usted participe no dejar que la barrera del idioma lo detenga. No está seguro de qué tan bien se traduce por esperamos que pueda hacerse una idea. :D

Sorry neoyoli, just thought I would jump in here.
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Jaizu, you should join in, if you are unsure about your english in the emails, send it to one of us and we can check it out for you. More people on hand, the better, now who is with us?

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A good idea i think is to spread this cause around, so other people notice it in other forums. I will do this early tomorrow, because it is getting late, but you should do this because more people will take a look at this thread and maybe help out with it. :)

Post in other forums =============== Spreading the Word!

Come on guys, i know you want CM based Roms, so why not lend a helping hand?

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This is a guide i have post similar things around various HTC Device forums, along these lines:

More people will notice it, post it around make us noticed. :)
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Sent this to you as a PM rather
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
I have in a couple of places, but it is re worded but gets to the same point.

My English and grammar is pants anyway, I know some reconised contributors too, I will see if I can get them helping out too, but they are pretty busy, let's see though. :)

Nah I don't take offence mate correct it how you like. :)
[HTC Desire C] nevyntanis:
Lol, thanks bud.

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Desire C] Phenziox:
Are we supposed to write our own mails?

If so, a big deal of my mail will be about the rude way they haven't answered my first two mails :mad:

And of course the bit about the drivers. :D
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
In the first round, we are gonna be sending the same tailored email, get yourself ready soon;)
[HTC Desire C] utsav17:
count me in !
[HTC Desire C] ExonakiDev:
I'm in.I am fed up about the same vague mail they send me everytime I want some info about updates or modules!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::mad:

Sent from my HTC Desire C
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Welcome on board soldiers! :highfive:
[HTC Desire C] ExonakiDev:
My recent mail:

my mail-
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Nice email ExonakiDev. :good:

Post your next reply, i think in the next email you should address why it is being kept away from us and question them like this:

Remember questioning why they are doing it is also very effective, make sure you still get you point across in an non aggressive manner though. :)

Two more people on board? Great! Any more takers to give this cause the boost it deserves?
[HTC Desire C] calinorg:
I was sending them e-mail before, so i could help slao ;)
[HTC Desire C] brnt:
When does the action start? And what are we sending?
[HTC Desire C] szortt:
i will also try to help U mates!
[HTC Desire C] lead3r1:
i too would like to give some help to u guys i know this may sound noobish but what i would be writin about correct me if im wrong but i supposed to be askin for htc to release the source for wifi drivers innit ??? someone please confirm once done i'll straight away start bombin dem one more thing what would be d frequency of sendin em once everyday is that ok ?
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Welcome on board guys! Everything is set up, but we are still waiting for more people to come. We are getting there, 6 members have joined in the last 12 hours :highfive: I post the names soon.

Monday is the final date, before we start I will post the battle plan and the emails we are going to send. Get yourself ready, and tell as many people as you can!
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Hey lead3r1, welcome mate. I let you know everything soon, stay subscribed;) Until then you'll find a lot of info in the first two posts.
[HTC Desire C] Roflwat:
Count me in too, i'm never too optimistic about this kind of actions, but what else can we do?!
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
Thanks Roflwat,

More people joining now. :D Spread the word the best you can guys, if there anymore takers? I thought i would mention, i know how many people use my rom, maybe some of you guys can help out there is well over 200 of you. Come on, spare some time and help out the cause!

So anymore people who want CM based Roms? IF you do chipin and help fight HTC in the cause.

Remember more people = Greater rate of success. :)
[HTC Desire C] noahvt:
I'm in

I'm in too because i really want cyanogenmod and aosp!

When is this event actually starting?
[HTC Desire C] whoamigriffiths:
I've once again used up my thanks allocation for the day but never fear tomorrow I will be spamming all you new helpers thanks buttons :good:
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Same here Rich:)

Me too man, I'm dying for a working CM. Good to see our devs joining too:)

Monday, we are starting on Monday. The emailers will get a PM from me, and everything will be announced here.
[HTC Desire C] TheRedHunter:
I would also like to help you guys. You can count on me.
[HTC Desire C] russell664:
I too am out of thanks, It is great to see so many people starting to take action, and taking the time to help out. We thank you guys a lot, Me, Neoyoli and Rich will all spam you guys with thanks tomorrow. :)

Once again thanks for the support those of you who are willing to help, it is greatly appreciated. :)

Now we have more people helping out, but could you raise that number? Taking the time to help out will result in good things, any more takers?
[HTC Desire C] AirCombat:
I'm in!

neoyoli - I woke up in time to get your message! I'm in :) Many emails coming from Canada now -- especially as I have three different email addresses :)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
We have a prominent member here gentlemen (I don't know any ladies here lol), AirCombat has written the excellent ROM flashing guide, still used by every new member today. Don't forget to throw him a thanks when you are around. Good to see you mate:victory:

In regards to multiple email addresses, anyone who is planning to send emails like this, don't forget to use Tor or other online anonymity services which changes your IP address (that you already used for sending your first email) to a different one.
[HTC Desire C] uchihasparky:
Count me in too! :D
[HTC Desire C] AirCombat:
Yup, on top of that :)

Here's an example of one of the many emails I've sent:

Hi there. I am a committed HTC user and I have owned the Desire C for almost a year now. However, unlike your major competitors Sony and Samsung, the Desire C has had no open source kernel or drivers released. This means that, unlike other phones I've owned, it is next to impossible to do what I want to do with my phone. I love HTC and want to continue to support the company, but in turn I need your support to make this phone the best phone it can be. I want to make the Desire C a phone that people will go out of their way to buy, not just an entry-level phone but a phone that you can keep and use for a long time.

Please support your users and developers by releasing the kernel, and more specifically, the ath6kl_sdio.ko driver...

Thank you!

And also, here's another contact form, directly to HTC, if you live in Canada: http://www.htc.com/ca/contact/email/

Thanks for sending me the message neoyoli, much appreciated :)
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
Go Canada!:cool:
[HTC Desire C] MrToastedAndroid:
I am so in on this! Sending in 2 emails from Canada using different email addresses. Pray to God (or if your atheist, science :p ) we get more people! The more the better. This really took off after the start of April!

Sent from Operation Metro
[HTC Desire C] Jaizu:
Create several emails and add them to the email of your Android app. You can send more emails and they probably think they are different people CC:
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
That's cool, just

always make sure they are sent from different IP addresses.

Welcome Jaizu BTW:)
[HTC Desire C] doweeez:
I'll send few emails. Because i'm pissed that they haven't release jelly bean update for Desire C
[HTC Desire C] Phenziox:
Please, we need to focus on one thing now, the Wi-Fi source code. Jelly bean will probably come once we have that.

Sent from my HTC Desire C
[HTC Desire C] <CyberAnarchy>:
IM IN!

Im in guys. HTC did the same thing with our pico, said it cant support ics and made desire c.

They are cheating us!
[HTC Desire C] <CyberAnarchy>:
Just sent a mail:

I put in a such a view that HTC would realize it would lead to their profit!(which IS true)

I apologize for putting the "affording" part. No offence meant.
[HTC Desire C] nikhil16242:
None taken :) . But its not always about "affording". Even though I own a N4 , I use my desire c on a regular basis , since it is a really handy and well build device and you dont have to worry about the glass breaking like the N4 lol.

Having said that , thank you all for the support :good: .Really appreciated.
[HTC Desire C] <CyberAnarchy>:
I too own a Note 2 but still use my pico(damn good).

But still there are people who buy entry level due to "that reason". Also i wanted htc to see that they would be in profit.Imean buying desire c is better than no device ,right?
[HTC Desire C] noahvt:
I've send another e-mail to HTC my reply from them

Thanks for contacting HTC Technical Support Center, in regards to the kernel source code for the HTC Desire C.

HTC is working to release appropriate kernel code bases as soon as possible after device launch but we cannot guarantee the exact time frame.

Noah, Please keep in mind that the service, including without limitation, updates, upgrades and patches for the software installed on your device that you download to your device from the service, is provided by HTC on an “as is”, “with all faults” and “as available” basis.

The company makes no representations or warranties of any kind, expressed or implied, as to the operation of the service, the accuracy or the components of the information, content, materials, or products included or available on the service.

HTC will not be liable for any damages of any kind arising from the use of the service, included but not limited to direct, indirect, incidental, punitive, and consequential damages.

I like to thank you for your continuous support of our products and services.

They stated: HTC is working to release appropriate kernel code bases as soon as possible after device launch but we cannot guarantee the exact time frame.

But this devices release date was a long time ago!
[HTC Desire C] neoyoli:
They already sent me the same words. However they have the full source ready, they don't need to "work on it" lol

But if they do, then we'll motivate them a bit starting from tomorrow.
[HTC Desire C] ExonakiDev:
I just wrote up a little gist for guys who are new to this campaign.....so here it is you can share it so more people can get involved in this cause and take part and volunteer so we can snatch that code from HTC's hands!Just share it everywhere like a wildfire:https://gist.github.com/ExonakiDev/5329686

Cheers,:beer:

ExonakiDev

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy GT-I9100
[HTC Desire C] <CyberAnarchy>:
Dammit i still got no reply. I think they got offended and stuff.

and as for ICS 4.0.4, i have a near-working version of sense4.1 for pico(not uploaded yet).So i think its possible to port it.

So, main objective should be getting wifi sourcecode.
[HTC Desire C] ExonakiDev:
Me too got no reply.and if they are irritated then its good we gotta boil their brains!:D:banghead::screwy::banghead:

Sent from my HTC Desire C
[HTC Desire C] <CyberAnarchy>:
Stop banging your head, we need to bang theirs!:)