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[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
Haha talk about fanboy logic. The perfect example right here.

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I never really thought about that until you mentioned it. That would be hilarious if that feature drained the battery and HTC had no way of turning it off.

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Aluminum has a boatload of disadvantages. It blocks signals and traps in heat. Don't be surprised if the One had WiFi and heat sink problems.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
clearly inferior and obsolete when there is still pros and cons on either devices, pretty much shows your mind is set to bias against another.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
I guess you failed to read anything about the design... sigh...

For all the screen addicts here is some porn:
[Xperia Z General] Vebansen:
Yeah, but whatcha gonna do after the inevitable happens when an employee of Big-up To Da Massive Phones speaks to an HTC rep from Andorra claiming that the screen on the new HTC (retail version) uses kryptonite glass rather than the adamantium found on the dev unit? Whatcha gonna do then, eh!? EH!?

Ok, on a serious note -

I'll admit, I've been out of the loop on phones for an extremely long time, but I must say that I'm astounded by the paranoia that surrounds releases nowadays. Is this really the stage we've got to? We now have 'phone fights' similar to the "my mum's better than your mum" debate's of yesteryear!?

Man, am I really that old!?
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Do we really need another thread like this ?

First people said XZ is amazing, we had dev prototype devices that were totally amazing and beat everything, then some started to say it's not because M7 is coming.

Then it turned out that those mystical devices were "not what retail consumers will get" according to some alleged sony representative who apparently has nothing else to do but spill his company's secrets that can seriously damage the brand, over the phone ( seriously people ? ) and the final version was suddenly utter garbage with terrible screen and loads of problems.

Now One is announced and we have another flame war entitled "htc is so amazing that everything about XZ sucks now", and in 2-3 weeks we'll have another thread like this about HTC - because when S4 comes out both One and XZ will suck and every single quad-core cpu will suddenly become out-dated tech :S

Seriously people, many bashed XZ because its back is glass and will scratch - well, newsflash, have you seen any aluminium iDevice after a few months ? Same goes for battery... XZ is bad because you can't remove the battery, but nobody seems to have this trouble with HTC. People said that PPI is not important because everything over 720p is useless, but now when HTC came out with 468ppi it's suddenly the most important thing making XZ "outdated". I could go on but I think I made my point.

And most importantly - why the hell do we need all those flamewars here in Xperia Z forums ? Lets take HTC/Samsung talks to HTC/Samsung forums... and don't say that it's for "exchanging opinions" or "drawing attention to Xperia", because clearly what we're having is spec/fan wars.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying XZ is flawless. It has many disadvantages I don't like - but every phone have them, and the fact that new HTC was announced with better cpu doesn't make previous model trash.

If you desperately need to always have the best possible specs - snap out of it...

And yet again we have it... calling people iFa$s, HTC champions, Samsung's fanboys etc... A flame bait thread in my opinion...

Yes, unfortunatelly that's exactly what's happening right now... some think XZ's screen is "washed out" so automatically you can't like it and you're a loser if you won't cancel your pre-order. And don't you dare say you like it regardless, because it clearly shows you're just a blind Sony fanboy :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
I'm sorry, but my mum IS better than your mum.:p
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Heck, who cares... let people believe what they want, it's like buying a product purely based on reviews from other people. Instead of reviewing the device themselves.

If people don't want to look past their own nose then that's their choice, let them believe what they want.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
OK lets get it straight and UNBIASED:

Screen - HTC ONE [uses the same LCD3 display of butterfly with more ppi]

Processor - HTC ONE

Design - Subjective [yes coz there are no parameters here]

build quality - Subjective [some like glass, some metal, some even plastic (polycarbonate)]

Camera- Draw [It really doesnt matter really on phone cams..all are same with 19,20 diff]

Protection- SONY XZ

Sound - HTC ONE [speakers =93db!! and separate amp for both headphones and speakers like in butterfly]

Battery - Draw [both almost identical..Htc has more ppi and sony has a larger screen..so its even]

UI - Subjective [Sense is toned down now..Sony has always been less intrusive..depends on what user likes]

Controls -SONY XZ [has better button placement against the flushed in Htc one..Also a better notification light than Htc one]

So, thats about it so far..Obviously we will get to know more as the Htc one comes out.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I'll do you one better:

Processor: HTC one (snapdragon 600 is faster than S4 pro)

Battery: draw for now (until we see battery tests)

Screen: HTC One ( the XZ screen already has some complains from reviewers, the HTC one is getting many praises)

UI: HTC one ( HTC took some risks and it looks different, sony's ui has things borrowed from touch wiz 4 and isn't anything unique)

Sound: HTC one (front stereo speakers)

Protection ( I guess it matters :confused::confused:): XZ is waterproof.

Controls: HTC one ( Sony XZ has an awkward placement of the volume rockers)

Camera: yet to be seen but I honestly think the HTC one wins ( again Sony doesn't offer anything major, the one has that ultra pixel technology)

Believe it or not, I'm unbiased towards this. I just feel like the HTC one is just that much better.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Sorry but UI is purely based on personal preference.

You might find the UI from the HTC better, I might like the UI from XZ better. Does that make any of our choices wrong? Nopes!

What's wrong about it?

It's totally understandable why they did it.

Most people hold their phones in such a way that the volume rockers are placed on the perfect location.
[Xperia Z General] busterdev:
what has sony borrowed from touchwizz?

phone that size with power button on top and best controls, haha good one. not biased at all you say
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
I like the xz looks very much.

The HTC has a better chip yes, but remember, htc sense is far more cpu intensive. Gpu is in both the devices the same.

HTC doesn't give a **** about xda communties etc, s-on is a real pain in the ass, afaik nobody succeeded to s-off a hox..

Therefor I stick with the xz.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
I believe hes giving HTC the points due to their inovative UI choices, not necessarily because it is superior, simply because they are making a move that others wouldn't dare do.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
techradars take on the battle of the phones :)

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...alaxy-s3-vs-sony-xperia-z-vs-iphone-5-1132091
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Exactamondo

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The way you add widgets on the home screen. Look at touchwiz 4 ( galaxy s 2) and the XZ. You tell me.

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And here you have the opinion of a man who actually held the device(s). What more can I say
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
come to think of it, it does remind me of the S2.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Of course UI is a personal choice, but what has Sony offered that is unique? Anything we haven't seen before? Anything that is pure Sony? No. HTC one does.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
What innovative, the blinkview homescreen feed thing? For real? It's horrible, it can't even integrate with google reader. Plus it's a bit like the horrible 'timescape'.

If I'm getting the HTC One the first thing I'll do disable that POS.

What else? How about the multitasking menu? The HTC has a nice grid view, hardly innovative. Sony has mini apps which i feel are more useful and - innovative.

Sony has shortcuts in its notifiation pane, HTC doesn't.

The app drawer is vertically paginated.. like it was in htc desire. so no UI innovation there.

One innovation is that they're using 2 buttons.. which is a step back IMO.

Is there something I'm missing here regarding the innovative UI of the HTC One?
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
how cares if is is innovative or not, it is about what works, and especial what works for you.

edit:

all those 'innovations" are just incremental changes anyway, the last true innovation in phone space was done years ago with the first iphone, and before that Handspring Treo (or palm). since then we just have had some tweaks
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Pardon my ignorance, other than 'blinkview' , what UI innovations are there?
[Xperia Z General] Hawkysoft:
All i read is Q_Q gtfo if you dont like the xZ and stop wasting your ammo if you don't like HTC

I frankly don't even understand why making threads like these... If you cancelled it 'cool story bro' go tell in the phone section from the one your going to get.

Oh and if anyone truly wants to bring it on on development support I'd more happy to spam your pm full with facts why Sony has better support for their devices.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
So... you don't want ppl to make informed decisions about the 800$ phone they are purchasing? Seriously?

If someone cancelled their order (as the person above did) we can gain valuable information about why one phone is lacking or why one is superior.

What you are suggesting is akin to someone sticking their fingers in their ears and yelliing "laallaalalal" when someone tries to tell them why their phone isn't up to spec.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
http://m.pocketnow.com/2013/02/19/htc-one-video

Point is HTC's UI is different, Sony offers more of the same, nothing special.

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[Xperia Z General] Hawkysoft:
And in about 2 years we will have hexa Terra cores with quadro 3d screens and bronys all over it. Like I said no point.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Ah, i see.

Obviously Sense is what started the entire android UI innovation scene with lockscreen shortcuts, themes/skins and what not.

Others caught on and I feel the Sony UI is more functional with the floating mini calculator app, fully customization keyboard, notification toggles, nice pinch-to-zoom centric photo gallery etc.

Anyway, interestingly the HTC One is priced cheaper than the XZ at clove:

http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-one

Seems like a bargain. Anyone know if it supports LTE or not?

The one coming to my region in 3G only so that's a deal breaker.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
We all have a pair of brains, if people decide to spend "800$" on this phone then let them.

It's almost like you're saying that the XZ is a bad phone, it might not be the best, but it's not a bad phone.

And what can you learn when someone makes a topic like this???

In the end it's purely about personal preference.
[Xperia Z General] MrPhilo:
You may as well wait for the Galaxy S4 which is going to be announced on 14th March apparently, the HTC One goes on sale on 15th.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Since when spec wars account for "informed decisions" ? Seriously people, the fact that One has better this or that doesn't make other phones bad, cut the c.... already. Washed out colours, bad sound... like we suddenly have professional graphics and music composers everywhere...

Yes, threads like this one are needed to share valuable information. But we're not sharing any valuable information here - we have people trying to tell you that you shouldn't get phone A because they like phone B better.

What he was suggesting wasn't yelling "lalalala" when someone tries to tell his his phone is not up to spec. He is yelling "lalalala" when people try to tell him the phone he has chosen ( which isn't even out yet ) is trash just because HTC announced one that is better in few aspects ( which isn't even out yet as well ) which is starting to get really annoying and ridiculous.

If you decide to cancel your pre-order and get HTC phone instead, great, hope you're happy with your new device as it surely is great. Make a thread about it in HTC section, no need to convert as many people possible to do the same just because you think like that. Why the need to convince as many people as possible that XZ sucks ?
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Using the app overview screen from bb10 and making the home button go to a flipboard like application is perhaps never done before in the android world, but innovative it is not.

I like what they did with the camera, using specs that make sense in a phone like it quite a bit.

found some video samples

http://smartgreenrobot.com/news/HTC...ra+put+to+the+test+in+a+few+HDR+sample+videos

if this is any indication of the photo quality you now know why they didn't make such a big deal out of it
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
And if it's octo core BS with the PowerVR GPU kicks the living snot out of the HTC One, will people still call it last gen because it has the same adreno 320 GPU as the HTC Butterfly?

Seriously, the hyperbole in this thread is amazing. Seems some people are merely here because they have a personal problem with the Xperia Z.

Look, the HTC One is by far a technically superior phone to the XZ. We get that. I am yet to choose between the two - but get this - a lot of us had note2/galaxy s 3's which were technically the fastest, smoothest, meanest and most up to date phones ever at one point and with software features aplenty - Even USB DAC support over OTG which the damn One X didn't support for quite some time.

But still we ended up unsatisfied. When I got the Note 2, that was the last straw for me - that changed the way i look at technology forever - I discovered that I want my cellphone to be a natural extension of my own self - it's should evoke a design language that I speak, in both its hardware and software - something that feels natural to me, that pleases me when I use it, that I'm comfortable with.

So, please know that in getting our next phone, some of us aren't concerned with getting the latest/greatest/fastest/loudest thing out there - we're basically looking for something we can call our own. These useless flame wars, calling devices 'failures' - and I'm specifically looking at Maedhros here - are pointless because at the end of the day, only we know what we truly want from a phone. So please, let it be.

As far as I'm concerned, there's an equal chance of me getting either device - I will try both devices out and will go for the one that speaks out to me the most. I don't care about anything else. I suggest others do the same too.
[Xperia Z General] xBloodyPie:
Why all this seem retarded to me..and btw from when sony had good support:eek:
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Lmao at your sarcasm. Sony hasnt caught anyone in the ui department, floating apps, notification toggles are things that have been done before, you cannot be serious.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
how was the sound quality through headphones?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
I wasn't implying that they've innovated here, i was stating they caught on and incorporated these things into their UI, thus making it more functional - as the gingerbread UI of theirs that i experienced on the xperia play was sorely lacking.

Also, I wasn't being sarcastic about anything at in my post? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Oh OK, my bad.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
Just awesome, loud as hell and really clear also if you love bass like i do it has plenty of that too.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
I'm just enjoying watching you all argue... I'll be back on my xda app in half hour or so and find more bull written on here.

Fact is EVERYONE needs to get out more. THIS IS BETTER...THAT IS BETTER. Its all just personal opinions.

JUST GET WHAT YOU LIKE!

My opinion? Sony provide the best firmware for the average user....all the rest have half assed firmware full of bugs and they get updates after an age. That's all that matters for ME. But each to their own preferences.

What is this bull with the Z having OUTDATED specs? Seriously? Is it that bad?

Best comparison I've read is in one of the previous pages comparing specs with HTC ONE. best comment was "One has that pixel technology" what the hell is that and have you actually seen the end pictures? I do not actually know myself which is better but since you are unbiased as you claim; why did you not mention Z's ExmorRS sensor?

My point is everyone can just outspec all they like but I am going to preorder mine with carphone warehouse in next couple of days :) please now can all you faceless people not cuss me and call me insane for wasting my money on a WASHED out screen, because I'm pretty sure I'm not replacing my home cinema just yet and I'm pretty sure its not going to be that bad.

PEACE OUT SONY AND HTC FANBOYS. YOU ALL KEEP ME ENTERTAINED AND MAKE KEEPING MY XDA APP WORTHWHILE. LOVE U ALL :D
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Samsung needs to hurry and announce the Galaxy S IV so I can make a decision!!!!!! Its definitely between the HTC one and S IV for me.
[Xperia Z General] DeadlyDazza:
How many dissing the XZ here still swear by Xbox?

How's the lack of blu ray drive going for you?

Still swear by that Xbox though & didn't get a superior specced PS3?

Many more comparisons to make.

I'll still be buying the XZ.

Don't forget to post back when you've got your One in pieces next to a radiator drying out after jumping in a frozen lake to rescue your dog.

(Happened to me, damn Ngauge never worked again!)

If this is the most stupid thing you ever heard, remind me tomorrow... I'm drunk!
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
well, the good thing is that the Samsung announcement is a day before the HTC One availability date. You just know they have something massive up their sleeve, too.

It's between the XZ and HTC One, for me. Going to skip Samsung the Galaxy S cycle this year for something new, but will see what the note 3 offers later on.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
I'm off to get popcorn, I'll be back in 5 for the next episode... s**t this stuff is so funny!

BTW I'm getting the Xperia Z so I'm posting this in the Sony Xperia Z forum! ;)
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
I haven't got a dog, and surely if the lake is frozen the dog would skate across the top?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I know exactly what you mean. I owned the galaxy s3 and note 2 so a change is more than welcome. But I'm guessing there's gonna be a major ui change so that should give a different experience than the note 2 and S3. I'm also looking forward to the note 3, the note 2 is my favorite smartphone ever (so far but looks like its not gonna last for too long :p ). Its gonna be a great year for android, XZ, HTC one, S IV and optimus g pro for the first half of 2013!!!! Damn!
[Xperia Z General] redandwhitearmy:
That is what matters to me.... Using sony handsfree provided with handset right?
[Xperia Z General] issy_i:
i dont understand why people get so exited about the One, the phone looks boooring Seriously XZ looks way better! who cares about louder sound its a phone!! :)

and who cares about the 0.01% more powerfull chipsets haha.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
Whose your favourite character:p

Edit: sorry I'm late I was supposed to be back after half hour, I got held up.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
No i used my urbeats headsets, tried the same 5 tracks, to establish how bass, treble and the rest of it compared. The one was louder and clearer and bass tracks have far more bass, even with beats off.

I still like the Z and will more than likely get it later down the line, when the price drops but the one overall is better for me as of now.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Oh it's got to be barondebxl... Such hatred in him! How about you?
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Did you checked the settings?

Because HTC has Beats Audio by default on and the Clear Audio (I think is this name) in the XZ might be off...
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
I'm not having a dilemma of choice between HTC ONE. And XPERIA Z but rather between the two characters of MAEDHROOS or STEFANVE. Both fighting for they're own brave causes
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
could you tell me what my cause is because at this moment I'm thorn between the beauty(sony) and the beast (htc) :)

(your answer could be vital for my decision ;) )
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
I feel torn between the Z and the ONE, i went to a phones4u store today in trafford, and honestly i could not see much difference between the one x and the Z, only very slight, it is just sony's ui uses drab colours,

The Z has the bigger screen, the glass front back design, and it has the 13mp camera,

The One has a sharper vibrant screen, alumnium body and the dual speakers, i can see those would come in handy as im having to make long distance video calls daily to my partner who is currently living abroad.

P.S, this thread is starting to sound hilarious
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Lol. I thought you were leaving?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
So the XZ screen isn't as bad as it's being made out to be?

Which one was more pleasing to use, in terms of navigating the OS and the feel in the hand? Which one feels more likely to last you longer before you want to change it for something new?
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
So the screen isn't that bad at all...like you said before? :p

Ultimately it's about personal taste! You can't go wrong with either one.

Personally I prefer the XZ for the less thickness, less scratchy material, waterproof and more pure Android with Stamina mode!!

And if you have expectations for HDR video, bare in mind that HTC One only does it @ 720P

About the speakers, if you have to have good sound in your video calls...just use some headphones ;)
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I tried Xperia Z with clear audio on and off and different settings.

also tried htc one with beats on and off didn't matter it was clearer, was far louder and far more bass but even louder still and more bass with beats on obviously. I was really impressed because for once I wont need power amp with the z i knew I was going to need power amp when I am outside to block out background noise (loudness) and for more bass.

This was one (no pun intended) major deciding factor for me becuase I listen to music more than do anything else on my phone. Screen, camera and loudspeaker dont bother me much atall because all are good on the XZ but audio in headphones for me is a must and seeing as the one has all the other features I the z had that i need:

*being able to watch videos whilst in calls

*being able to take screenshots whilst watching videos (even easier on the one because there is a button to press, easier than holding down power button and down on volume button)

*being able to take pics/record videos whilst in phone calls and also video audio sounded better on the one aswell.

I will still get the XZ this year as i normally get two phones a year anyway and I still love the xperia Z and if it wasnt for the much better audio on the one, i would have stuck with the z as my new contract phone. Something is telling me though that the Z will fall dramatically in price especially as there is a new sony coming out later this year so it will be cheaper to buy than the htc one will be later down the line.