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[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...cs-posts-171-million-loss-on-ericsson-venture

STM wants to appeal the decision.

I think its appropriate that STM pays the fine for it and continues to supply the MIC's, to me it sounds fair enough. The milk already split!

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Link please :)

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here is a link Android Key Lime Pie allegedly pushed back, not coming to Google I/O 2013

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I think it's fake - Look at the source - https://twitter.com/hipreetam93

This kid from India seems to be spreading the news to every other site about android - fishy :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
its fake.

the source he posted is his own blog where he quotes himself with a twitter screenshot of his own acc.

http://gadgetronica.com/news/exclusive-google-io-2013-to-bring-updated-nexus-4-android-5-0-possibly-delayed/#.UXaHorW-2Sr
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Yeah, definitely fake!

It says Nexus 4 LTE is coming - same old s4 pro again ? no way, Google would not do that?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and phonearena happily made baked news from it :laugh:

sorry for the mess guys :)
[One (M7) General] mikbe:
Whew. I just got information from my carrier that they will start shipping the One before end of April! I'm tired of waiting. :D
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Not your fault!

Back to topic, how many Mic's do HTC already have ?
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
this makes me hold back on buying the one again. new mics? will it be worst or better?

lets hope it to be to be the latter..
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
with HTC blog posts like this

they have to find something as good...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
hmmm i have a solution for HTC

if anyone read the Nokia press release, which is basically full of bashing and trolling

and since the court found HTC blameless

HTC can fire back at the smear attempt by Nokia and earn an exemption for those components as compensation :laugh:
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Just wondering, what are the mic's on handy cameras/DSLR's ?
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
standard mics

some doesnt even cancel noise

dslrs focus more on stills. if you plan on recording, get video cams
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
no no i dont want to do recording, just wondering if HTC can use components from some other place.. MIC is fairly a common component and i wonder why it has not evolved over the years!

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Cant stop my lol - read the comment on Engadget.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I just read a post saying ST will try to appeal and solve it through a license

i still think HTC should get Nokia for non justified bashing :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
funny how we've been trying so hard to get everyone's attention about those speakers and now that it made it into a scandal, everyone suddenly cares :)
[One (M7) General] patato2:
maybe it did, just no one used it on a popular product. That's a bad luck IMO, cuz from what I read ST believe they developed a different approach and did not violate Nokia's patent. So it all boiled down to how ST and Nokia fight each other on court.

I believe HtC can get an alternative,but god knows how good it will be.

No matter how it goes , my suggestion is " GET THE PHONE ASAP!!"
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
From what I have heard there was a big misunderstanding between Nokia and ST M. ..

Nokia thought that the mic would be produced exclusively for them for 12 months, ST M thought it would be 6 months.

At least that is what Nokia is saying, wondering why Nikon wasn't sued over the D7100 yet though (maybe the exclusive deal is only for phones)

HTC will go in revision and sue against the ban, I am 100% sure that they can prove the court that they didn't steel any technology, but that ST M and Nokia are miserable in making contracts.
[One (M7) General] TRiBaL1981:
Ordered a few hours ago from amazon uk. I hope that current stock still has the good mics! What do you guys think?
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
me too! I just read only the Bloomberg's post..

LOL, this definitely is ..

Ooh, where did you find that ? can you link it please!

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They should have at-least for the next 1 month in stock!

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What D7100 has the same MIC ?? thats good news :P :)
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
I think we should be aware of the serial numbers when we buy our one, we should get something between ht33 and ht34 (or sh, fa, etc) don't buy the ones that are manufactured in late April and later
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
HTC probably has couple of mic in their garage !

Since HTC has said that it does not affect their shipping, they probably don't have to worry for 2 or 3 months! (being optimistic) :good:
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
yeah, same mic :) Possibly that can save HTC

(Distortion of market / reason for ban simply to troll htc, not to protect their IP)
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
BTW, off topic, am i the only one interested to try a Mozilla phones ? http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/23/firefox-os-developer-phones-on-sale-now/
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
HTC team should have offered the judges, 2 of Amsterdam's most famous attractions.......Nokia is fast becoming its own anagram "a oink"

On a more serious note, HTC need to improve their supply chain management / due diligence processes.
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
The problem is that HTC will stop using those mic in the One... They could only use alternative Mic
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
if thats true, yeah that is a good reason.. clearly shows Nokia is just trying to be EVIL

Sorry, i have not able to find links which say D7100 has it, can you give me some links please!

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ha ha ha, they probably are old enough by now :)

I wish not! and don't think HTC will do that .. at the least HTC will find a supplier who can copy that without getting into another patent case.
[One (M7) General] ArmedandDangerous:
I'd like S-Off solely for warranty purposes :P
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and 40 patent claims, someone is definitly trolling HTC
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
German source ..

I have read about it somewhere else too though.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The Verge: HTC does what Google wouldn't: sell an LTE phone without AT&T's nonsense
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
I think there was also some confusion as to whether the exclusivity period applied from the moment when the deal was signed (which was back in 2011) or from the moment Nokia actually started selling phones that have the microphone in (which was just a couple of months ago).
[One (M7) General] LordManhattan:
Well, doesn't look like i'll be getting a One until november 2017 then :p Typical, juuust typical..
[One (M7) General] greenmark69:
HTC will have a few ST mics spare in stock so there won't be any immediate slow down in production.

Heck, at the current rate of production HTC's likely to have enough spare stock to last years.
[One (M7) General] jesr:
Unpublished OTA Information Revealed “DLXPLUS” Device, Could Be The HTC Butterfly 2
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
That makes sense! and i think it should be the date from which they started producing it. STM is also not dumb enough to do this. Wish STM wins :)
[One (M7) General] patato2:
ok, I just figure it out...

Good new is ONE's sale will not be halted, just ST cannot sell any more mics to HTC (or anyone other than Nokia). So only issue here is how fast HTC can get a replacement. ONE more mountain to climb!
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
One thing we have to keep in mind too, is that is completely normal to communicate over lawsuits.

They are competitiors, so if there is a misunderstanding or a problem or whatever, it's like when you are in a fight with a person - you don't want to talk to them, you do not cooperate normally and it won't solve it.

They simply sue and that way force the other party to cooperate or look into the problem... it's normal, they have tons of lawyers that need to do something haha .. sometimes these lawsuits get out of proprtion .. just look at almost all lawsuits apple filed, but in general it's tehir right, in this case Nokia's right .. let's just hope HTC won't suffer too much :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so end of march to end of April builds suddenly became hot property :laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Android and Me: HTC One Q&A Part 2
[One (M7) General] Nokiacrazi:
As of now 1853 BST (GMT+1) using Amazon.co.uk

from http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
[One (M7) General] gavinfabl:
I will sell mine for a premium lol
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
It's officially HTC against the world
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
New kernel makes use of HTC badging
[One (M7) General] ookkeri:
Finnish carrier Elisa (Saunalahti) announced today that One will ship before end of this month. Hooray! And with that good mic. ;)

Bad news: first shipments won't cover all pre-orders.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea when everything is going against them like this including Samsungs smear campaign you got to ask yourself why ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Is the HTC First Worth It for Non-Facebook Fans?
[One (M7) General] RoachPapa:
Today i tested an SGS 4 in germany and i have to say: Its good and cool, but i like the smoothness of Sense 5 and my one more. When i went to the widget-drawer? (where you can select widgets :D), its laggy like my old sgs back in gb times. My SGS is smoother with 4.2.2 Vanilla Android then the S4:confused:

I done some photos and when you start looking at those, it get sharpened. While this process is happening, its lagging if you zoom into it. My One is fluid in that situation.

So Samsung hasnt optimated the whole natureux. The rest is smooth and fast.

The missing ois on S4 is also bad, pics are sometimes blurred.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
preaching to choir my friend :)

im still charmed since my encounter with the device, its really something
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
I think HTC should make this optional/configurable on their stock ROM or probably a make a double tap as wake up button.. it will definitely kill the need for a physical button...

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Did you guys zoom up the image and see

i see that 307 is written on the Nokia while the HTC has the 302.. wonder what difference it makes...

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A Slight OT, Sony Releases AOSP ROM For Xperia Z

Go Sony Go! I guess my days without a Xperia are numbered!
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
Not exactly sure what the number on the mic stands for .. the part made by stm and named in the lawsuit is MP34DTW01 :)
[One (M7) General] Danillaco:
HTC One being adverted a lot in the Bayern X Barcelona gane. Good to see...
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
Did they at least show Blinkfeed displaying soccer news? :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Cnet explores android's upcoming SOCs

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...ur-next-android-tablet-will-be-more-powerful/
[One (M7) General] Danillaco:
Nah, just the promotion on the panels around the pitch, and whenever showed the score, there was a HTC logo. Much like Samsung in Chelsea games.
[One (M7) General] greenmark69:
What strikes me about the photo is how the Nokia wiring is clinically neat whereas the HTC looks like some type of Heath Robinson/Rube Goldberg contraption.

The photos were released by Nokia, of course.

The difference is 5
[One (M7) General] patato2:
Ha! He really likes it? that surprises me. Maybe I am too biased against it. To put it mildly, HTC mid-ranged phones tends to be not so good.

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Is it only me that feels these bashing and hitting are going to be good advertising?
[One (M7) General] skivnit:
That's old news. They have been doing that for 2 months throughout champions League and Europa League
[One (M7) General] ArmedandDangerous:
Wouldn't be any use if they don't have phones to actually sell to take advantage of the hype. They're gonna have to source for something at least equally as good.
[One (M7) General] joslicx:
wow Galaxy S4 gets only an 8/10 on theverge (HTC One got 8.3/10).

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4257254/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
[One (M7) General] voltron2k11:
you beat me, just about to post it.

To be fair, both phones are underrated by the verge, but I do agree with the One being better (duh) :)

As long as we are happy with our phone, we don't really have to bother with reviews.
[One (M7) General] beno619:
The Pocketnow S4 Review I'd out as well and they confirm what we all already know, it is a great but uninspiring phone.

http://m.pocketnow.com/2013/04/24/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One updated with camera enhancement suite and more in Europe

auto

ISO 100
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
engadget is pretty negative as well ;)
[One (M7) General] TRiBaL1981:
No, it's not only you man. Negative advertising is still advertising in a way ;)
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
SGS4 is going downhill :p

But HTC has shortage problems with the One :eek:

Peter Chou must be way more careful next time,if the One stocks were available everywhere I am pretty sure it would have massacre the sgs4
[One (M7) General] VeixES:
If i am not mistaken then the version is 1.29.401.12
[One (M7) General] patato2:
Gosh , Engadget's review of S4 got bashed real hard as a " Samsung Hater". Funniest thing ever.
[One (M7) General] Hcore:
WTF!

I'm going nuts soon. First HTC delay, 26th march -> Mid-april -> 24th/25th/26th april. Shipment left Taiwan last week with destination Sweden. Finally I was thinking the phone will arrive soon.

But no, I was wrong. Now there is a huuuuge strike in Sweden: http://www.thelocal.se/47516/20130424/

Will I ever have this incredible phone in my hand?
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
These truckers are paid by samsung :p
[One (M7) General] mattman83:
I know the feeling :( My courier is stuffing me around, I feel like the last person in my country that is still waiting for their preordered phone (most got monday or tuesday this week). Just want my phone.

M.
[One (M7) General] razer1224:
Yeah,i dont but something fishy is happening also in india :(

the phone should have released on 22nd April

It has been 4 days and still no retalier is selling the phone :(
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Adds more to prove that the whole world is against HTC! :)

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Difference 5 LOL! i should remember my math too :)

The Nokia one is a stripped board while the One is still in the casing!
[One (M7) General] shox22:
I dont know if anyone already recognized, but the 1.29 improved the browser speed a lot.

Sunspider with 1.28: ~1100ms

Sunspider with 1.29: ~750ms

(I know its just sunspider, but the benchmark is used very often by reviewers)
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Great! Thanks for letting us know.. i guess many of us are poor ppl who have not got the opportunity to own a One till now :)

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I am really willing to read user reviews of the One's battery life. Almost all the websites say that it does not live a full day and that is a disappointment :(

No need to say HTC will improve it over the time and real life usage differs from the review usage in terms of battery.
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Looks like the S4 may not be so good for gaming (s600 version). Going by Brians tweet the thing throttles quite badly.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
This is certainly on topic :)

12 reference of HTC One in the engadget review, it's an HTC Review as much as it is for SGS4
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
in my opinion the media should not allow those trolls to affect their judgment

its the typical victimization attitude, just like some people quickly jump to racism accusation just to win a battle

same goes for some trolling the world whenever someone says something bad

yes many of us complained about both GSM and Phone arena suspected bias but barking and trolling the comment sections of those sites is still wrong whether from HTC or Samsung fans

Brian was trolled pretty bad for his One review and i can only imagine what hell he is going through with his SGS4 review

in my opinion Anandtech and Engadget should stand strong, criticism is vital for a healthy Android landscape and most importantly Samsung being the leader of this pack has double the burden to do better and profit less

instead we are left with a much smaller and weaker OEM who actually gives a damn and pushes the envelope despite all hardships

meanwhile Samsung is taking it too easy
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
Here the thing that is preventing us to buy the HTC One is the price.

It was 800$ yesterday which is relatively expensive and today...920$ :crying:

There are new customs and taxes coming in June which will rise the price even more :eek:

I am considering sgs4 for the 1st time with all my hatred to this phone if the price is much sweeter than One (under 700$)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
you are better off with the Xperia Z, at least it has officially AOSP and still a lot classier, heck i would go with an iPhone

eitherway you are panicking, prices will eventually settle and supply will meet demand

so relax :)

just for laugh
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
his comments are gold guys, i suggest you have a look :)

seems a "dark" phone like the One X was :) struggling to tam its own chipsets...

here is how i see it now, Samsung just had to justify its Exynos Octa and then had to put an OCed S600 to level it for its LTE customers, anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole? :)

not me, the One X was enough for me
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
For someone who is supposed to be a tech god, Brian Klug really does talk crap sometimes. Anyone who has studied Physics even at secondary school (high school) level knows that coffee in a metallic pot dissipates less heat than coffee in a ceramic pot, despite the fact that metal is a far better conductor of heat. When things are at a fairly high temperature, the primary mechanism for heat loss is radiation, not conduction.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
this doesn't cancel the fact that the phone is OCed and hence throttling

either way lets get back on track before this gets out of way

and one more things, im really not bashing, some of you know the story of the One X, an amazing phone but certainly was a struggle when it comes to it's SOC

overheating in early days, heating LCD, battery drain due to heat and gaming issues, after some sw updates and community work, it was normalized and i expect the same from Samsung, but it's not to deny it's a negative against many positives and add hardship to ownership

one of the reasons i was swayed to the One from my One X, when trex did the tests for us and confirmed the device does not throttle or over heats easily

its all about choice, really some people will have all this knowledge and will actually want a more "performance to be extracted" device like the Exynos Octa version i expect great dev works on that version, it's certainly disappointing to know the s600 version throttles, this makes the Octa a more attractive offering if you are to face throttling it better be from those A15s
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
I remember those early days... What a pain in the a$$ that phone was until it got updated and things got sorted out!

Great phone, loved it, but my One is better ;)

Has Brian done his SGS4 Review yet? I'm interested in seeing his take on things.

Trolls be damned!
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
The internet is full of morons, who are voiceless in real life, due to cowardice, stupidity etc, but in the pseudo-anonymous net, they suddenly get brave. If the internet came to my house, 50% wouldn't leave breathing:cyclops:

Reasons to buy a HTC One have increased. The GS4 has a locked bootloader, which is going to make installing ROMs more difficult. It appears, that plastic construction is causing the device to throttle earlier than the One, so it's not getting full benefit of its higher clocked SoC.
[One (M7) General] :
Yet it still runs faster and has better battery life than the One. Whats funny is it makes no difference.
[One (M7) General] Goku80:
If I did not buy my N4 the One would of been my new baby to play with. Gorgeous phone and screen. Saw a review for the S4 and I just could not help but giggle. That phone is just so boring. Features I would never use and still same old build quality. Anyways not gonna get into that.

Hamdir. Quick question OT.

Nexus 7 has really gone down in price were I work. Worth buying one now or shall I wait till new one next month
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
read my follow up post

throttling does make difference for gamers

you want all this performance and not use it?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the upcoming N7 is said to come with s800 so i advice you to wait

T3 is showing its age now and the screen on the N7 is very disappointing
[One (M7) General] Goku80:
thanks chief..always can count on you;)
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
I've been asking myself the same question, my only tradeoff is the Tegra effects, I'd miss those.
[One (M7) General] :
Brian seems to be the only person who's mentioned this so far so time will tell. I don't play many games on Android, prefer iOS gaming. I got to have the latest and greatest specs though ;)
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
This seems very wrong to me, even though I only have a high-school level education in physics, do you have a degree in the subject??

Radiation due to heat loss is less for a plastic / ceramic than that of metal, as radiation emitted is directly proportional to temperature raised to the fourth power.

Due to low thermal conductivity the temperature of the outer shell is lower in a plastic vs a metal phone, which one is feels hotter???, this also infers lower radiation heat loss.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so the GPU is 450mhz on the SGS s600?

review is up

they will make a more indepth review once they have the Octa version
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
I posted about the 450 MHz GPU in the GS4 1 or 2 days ago, do you have me on ignore:laugh:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
where? i certainly missed i dont think you did on this thread

anyway good to know its confirmed so now we have to OC the GPU plus get the latest 4.2.2 drivers :)
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
We will miss your magic works in the HTC One scene,throw this N4 away and get a One :cool:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
this page is gold

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/3
[One (M7) General] rkial:
Surely holding the phone as it gets warm will help help dissipate the heat through your hands.. and the plastic might not make the phone warm to the touch as quickly, but that would also mean the internals get hotter.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40497938&postcount=4537

:crying::D
[One (M7) General] rkial:
Both the Verge and Engadget rate the battery on the S4 as significantly better than the HTC One.

Everywhere else, its rated as being equal... a bit weird.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
ah you meant the SGS4 with the other device? :)

cool finally settled, ill post it in OP
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so strange

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/5

this pretty much confirms it for me 50mhz + 4.2.2 adreno 320 drivers = 17% increase