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[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
For the record, the Adreno 330's increase in performance is not just down to drivers, it comes from uArch improvements and an increase in number crunching hardware, e.g. Arithmetic logic units (ALU), etc.

We can see a massive difference in the low-level GLBenchmark results between Adreno 320 (includes overclocked results) and stock Adreno 330. These tests evaluate raw number crunching performance and aren't affected much or even at all by drivers, maybe if we're talking pre-production hardware, but not stuff released to OEMs. GPU vendors release many drivers updates, but the raw numbers of pixels / textures etc they can crank out, doesn't change, as it depends on the number of hardware units (shaders, TMUs, ALUs etc etc), memory bandwidth and clockspeed.

I read that the Qualcomm 8974 (Snapdragon 800) has a larger die are than S600, some of that increase is done to the GPU for sure, as they are both produced on a 28nm process, it also means that a S800 is probably a few dollars more expensive than a S600 or S4 Pro.
[One (M7) General] MrKaon:
Apparently Samsung is accused of cheating benchmark app: read full story.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea I'm pretty sure it's silicon, just wishful drivers plays part as well

we have seen a healthy jump between v6 and v14 on a320 so I'm just hoping we can see more

lets not forget a320 is their first iteration of this arch, the dolphin emu devs said the current es3 support in v14 is still premitive, so it's far fetched to think drivers are still maturing

Qualcomm eventually achieved 2x on a220 drivers
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Just got my 2nd one lol, this time black one since my gf was too much in love with the silver one , anyway silver one isn't even s-off since the damn thing came with 4.2.2 on board , anyway black one was 4.1.2 and just s-offed it <3 , as far as the looks i gotta tell you black one is sexy , silver is pretty and easy noticable but black is more slick and elegant , anyway i love them both but for now gonna stay with black one, i just hope there wont be paint going off lol , as far as HoX ... my lil bro broke it >.< with the damn watter ! @ Hamdir , any suggestion regarding the kernel , i was WAY TOO LONG AWAY so idk which one would be great for battery / performance , time to start having some fun!
[One (M7) General] DeSaint2:
I would say ex or bulletproof depending on what you want. S2w l2menu etc use ex. Stock with just a couple tweaks, go bulletproof.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
GLB 2.7 is still a opengl es 2.0 test, I don't think that opengl es 3.0 features are tested until GLB 3.0 is released. So the immaturity of the 3.0 support shouldn't be an issue in GLB 2.7, but hopefully Qualcomm keep pushing on with their software development, as it's free performance:)

Hopefully HTC will push out a Snapdragon 800 version of the One soon, as it won't be long before we are swamped by S800 devices, and it'll be hard to sell a S600 in a sea of S800, unless it's priced much lower than its rivals and HTC can't afford that game. Of course they will annoy current One owners, but the state of the smartphone market is that as soon as you buy, you gonna be pissed in less than 12 months time, if you want to be on the cutting edge. I've given up worrying about it, as the mobile market will start to mature pretty quickly, a la PC, and in a few years time, we will all be looking on this period with rose tinted spectacles, as the golden age:good:
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
Bulletproof has those features anyway.
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
Anybody see this?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/30/...get+(Engadget)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Elemental X 3.4, best for gaming, check my latest posts in the gaming thread for my recommended settings for games

one thing though, we loose HDR in low light with all custom kernels because we still dont have the kernel source for sense 4.2.2 yet
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes same here I found peace with upgrades, I love this phone enough that I wouldnt mind a jump to an s800, which is hard to believe would be skipped by HTC, otherwise I don't mind skipping to the Kepler mobile era, provided they still make them with 4.7" limits!

they are pushing an s800 version in the HTC One Max but zero leaks so far about a One Plus so it might not happen
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
maybe xperia z ultra/honami gpu clock at 400mhz like htc one? w4 s800 at 450mhz?
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Thx for the tip regarding the kernel , anyway I need stable kernel with nuts battery , with full stock I was getting average btw 4:30/5 hrs screen time with overall 25/30 hrs on the battery. So I'd like something similar to that.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
while driving to work today, i saw the first HTC One ad on highway billboards, never thought i would be happy seeing a product commercial :laugh:

this relates to the HTC presence in Lebanon story
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/362451692198957057
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Anandtech: NVIDIA Shield Review: At the Crossroads of PC and Mobile Gaming

trading blows with s800 in GPU speed, beats s600 even in 1080p

Trex HD: 38fps onscreen (720p)!!!!!

Trex HD: 24fps offscreen (1080p)

Egypt HD: onscreen hits vsync, 63fps offscreen (1080p)

in practical onscreen speed, it will take a while to beat the Shield, it's almost 2x Adreno 320 on the Nexus 4 720p screen

he posted internal shots here
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
New Tegra game, seems compatible with our device as well

Chuck's Challenge 3D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Engadget's take

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/31/nvidia-shield-review/

and honestly I do agree, when i feel tempted with the shield I immediately think i am better off with the vita, especially with obligatory remote play for every PS4, i'm considering to get one used after the PS4 release
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and this is disappointing...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Sammy responds

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/31/4574210/samsung-benchmark-rigging-response
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
All lies, why can't they just come clean.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Speaking of that , in my country there's no ads of HTC one but in reality I saw so far around 50 ppl have it while I saw only 4 s4s , last year I saw only 5/6 hoxes and gazillion s3s lol, I'm liking the way it goes , btw one is 480/550e here while s4 is 400/430e. Looks like HTC is keeping the price very good.
[One (M7) General] razer1224:
Price Dropped like a waterfall in India too
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/motorola-moto-x-camera-specifications-leaked-31-07-2013/

Moto x specs

10mp

1.4 microns 0.6 less than HTC one

4k recording

Three microphones

1080p 60fps

How can the moto x achieve 4k and 60fps when the s4 pro which is most likely a downclocked s600 on the moto x not able to. It also has three microphones as well from this perspective we are seeing a HTC competitor that will compete with HTC not through fancy specs but by making sure the experience is excellent something apple already does. It seems as though the moto x will be the best android phone from now on since everthing on it will be perfect just like the HTC one (screen, battery life, microphones, camera and design). This competes with the HTC one more than the sg4 as that is just a spec whore that is filled with gimicks while phones like the iPhone 5, HTC one and moto x are in the experence league going head to head. Moto x will also solve to big issues with phones with bad battery life and screens that easily break. I think the future of android lies in motorola, google are doing a brilliant job and expect the marketing campaign to be big. One thing that really threatens the iPhone, sg4 and HTC is the price, due to it having low specs it will have a very cheap price attractive price that will help it sells millions. This really threatens Samsung and apple, I never thought I would see a phone threaten their phone department so much.

If we were to compare this to say the htc one this has a better battery life, a billions times more reliable because it's manufacured professional in America, I wouldn't say this if HTC assemble quality was excellent but it isn't, their phones no matter which model have billions of issues I know lots of you would disagree but I think your just being biased I mean remember all the issues we had with HTC one x and HTC one when they were released people like hamdir use excuses like they are bad batches but because they are premium products nothing justifys their issue. Another thing is customer service we all know how bad HTC customer service not that I have experienced but who ever has claims they mess their customers around enough to end up on BBC watchdog. Moto x customer service will probably be good or excellent and their design although isn't as good as HTC isn't anything to be ashamed of. I just don't see any purpose of buying the iPhone 5, smasung gs4 or HTC one when this comes out not only will it be reliable and perfect the price will be super low and best of all you get updates quicker than anyone's else.

If HTC want to compete with moto x they will need to carry on the direction they are heading which is making a perfect user experience as we all know the only issues with the htc one are very fees it's a around perfect product and if I had the chance of buying a phone it would be HTC one definitely but the moto x is a game changer as its pushing the envelope even furthur from what HTC have already started doing, HTC will have to price their next flagship very competitively to be noticed.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The Moto X is impressive in many ways but falls short in few areas for me

screen size

build material

dual core CPU

and resolution, i grew in love in love with the 1080p extreme density

its certainly not a game changer like you make it sound
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
anyway at this point you should start looking forward GPUs like PowerVR 6xx, Adreno 330 and Tegra 4/4i for upcoming products

and not products launching on a320 like both the N7 and MotoX

remember this GPU was launched last year around this time on the Nexus 4

we don't want it to become another T3 ;)

I know it will now start to fit value status but the new iPad is right around the corner

Maybe HTC should have have went with 7inch for the Max and call it a tablet :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One Feature Tour
[One (M7) General] HTInOxM8:
Speaking of which
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Moibile Choice Consumer Awards

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=ICjqEnn8UnVYfJ9A9r22OA9RBUMay0tqZXazCk+fPRY=

vote!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
s4 price dropped u mean?
[One (M7) General] Trekest:
They haven't listed the Lumia 1025, it's by far the best photo-shooter out there right now.

Whoever says otherwise is naive.
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
Screen size is 4.7 isn't it or is it 4.5, remember 4.7 is quite big for women we need to remember them also and not just the geeks. 720p although it is less than 1080p it drains less battery and gpu power and I'm not sure what you mean by build quality whether your talking about assemble quality or design to me the design falls short of HTC but it's not ugly either. The dual core will be fine won't it to run everything smoothly it is more powerful then four a9 cores and the gpu although weak then a330 will be okay, due to 720p display expect the performance to be better than sg4 and HTC one we are talking about a s600 two core variant, if it is instead a305 then the performance will be rubbish. So although you think they fall short in a few areas I think they will be fine and the things that you have mentioned are really minor if any issue.

I know that this won't be powerful than s800 and the gpu falls short of other devices such as iPad but this device is a all round good device and not a power house like the flagship devices were used to. We need to remind ourselfs that although the specs are low it is capable of a few things our phones are not, one of them is being 60fps 1080p.

This device clearly doesn't target us though as the htc one has something this hasn't which is being more power, having a 1080p screen and a better design.

---------- Post added at 05:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:21 PM ----------

I can't wait for the s800 successor it's going to be a beast. Cpu and gpu clocks will be high power consumption will be low thanks to the 20nm. I can't wait for next year Qualcomm have really made their Soc into a beast. Tegra 4 and a330 although good are only a slight jump from a320 next years socs will be very powerful and with opengl es3 support and many other api's were gonna have some good games hopefully all HTC flagship phones next year will come with a standard 64gb instead of 32gb. Ram will also increase to 3-4gb and everything else like 128gb hdd, I just hope next years HTC flagship leaps ahead of the sg5. The only question in my head is their camera I hope they don't fall short I expect something like the moto x, good detail while having decent amount of microns for low light shots.

Games like this hamdir ;)

http://blog.gsmarena.com/gameloft-r...ne-teaser-trailer-with-jaw-dropping-graphics/

Remember to read the comments it'll make you laugh.
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
You're very wrong, women actually like huge screens, note 2 for example
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
Are you sure women like note 2 I very much doubt it they can only use it with two hands so it's like a tablet. I know surveys say people like big screens but note 2 is in its own league. I think for women 5"-4.3" is perfect.
[One (M7) General] gelo01:
Totally agreed with that..

"Oh look, mine has bigger screen so it's more awesome than yours!" Said the woman with a Galaxy Grand to her friend with an HTC One that i just saw on a public bus yesterday..
[One (M7) General] skivnit:
I see a lot of women with white note 2s I was surprised at first then I got used to it

Swyped from another galaxy
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
I know lots of people are slowing buying bigger and bigger devices and I never said no woman will ever use note 2 since it has sold more than 2 million. The point is MAJORITY of women prefer reasonable sized phones everyone knows it. It was only a few weeks ago we all discussed and so did every tech site that phones with huge screens aka phablets attract a small amount of the phone market that's why it's described as a niche market. I seriously am not going to discuss this further that note 2 and other phablets appeal to majority of women its a supid argument we all know, every tech site states when reviewing a phablet that its not practical for a everyday phone. I know women use phablets just like some women like 4x4 and just like some women play video games but the majority is what we're talking about. So many times I've read on this thread including hamdir stating 5" is the biggest a phone should be if you think a 6.2" phone is normal when it's only 0.8" smaller than a tablet then you much be the same audience that wants to use nexus 7 to make phone calls with and look ridiculous. If phablets were a device that majority wanted then all flagships would be phablets you should ask your self why all flagships gs4, One and iPhone are not phablets they are not as attractive to the main audience.
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
Even if a woman is using an iPhone, she would use it with both hands. Women like things that are outstanding.
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
Why don't we just end this discussion by saying every women is different but most like reasonable sized phones instead of phablets. IPhone is actually a little small the only difference from iPhone 4s is it is a tad longer.
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Let's end it by saying every woman is different and because there are so many we don't have a clue what they prefer and let's stop the OT.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
Galaxy S4 Zoom owners might quibble with that.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/361389322383003648
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
after years of OMG Sony in trouble

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-01-playstation-hardware-sales-lull-as-ps4-storm-brews
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
To survive HTC could merge with a Chinese smartphone maker, but is that possible?
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
HTC one available in red in Dubai, UAE!!!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
i think we will see it in Lebanon as well and i have to say, TEMPTING
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
i need to visit Axiom Telecom soon :)
[One (M7) General] greenmark69:
I'll be sure to mention this to my wife
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
So conflicting report about the iPad Mini 2

iPhone 5's A6 SOC +

no retina: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

retina: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

pretty sure the N7 will help them bite the bullet and go for retina
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Nvidia Shield TearDown:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nvidia+Shield+Teardown/16212/1
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I have been playing Ripetide 2 heavily on EX 3.4 withe following settings

GPU450, CPU1700, aggressive ondemand with up threshold 50 (permanently), UV50, deadline scheduler

the best part? it's actually cooler than stock kernel, it reaches 50c a lot later than the stock kernel :laugh: in my hot ambient as well!

excellent kernel by flar2 and i would call this rock stable release (to be honest was a little worried by the previous experimental ones)

what a shame we still can't have HDR in low light back :rolleyes: i dont know what HTC Dev are waiting for!
[One (M7) General] razer1224:
yeap
[One (M7) General] Saluco:
First of all, in no way wanna talk simply „against” you but i noticed over time that your way over htc „financially doing” kinda overly optimistic

The „obsession ” with the quarter results are based on facts and show a trend on how the company is doing and even if htc was on profit , the profit was on an constant decreasing path which lead ultimately to the inevitably estimated loss. All the companies you mentioned there Sony, Nokia and MS are or were way more stronger than HTC with very diversified business portfolio not only depending on phones and Blackberry was way more established name mainly in the business area than htc were people still buy BlackBerry phones (even this seem to come to an end also)

We liked or not HTC did stupid things ,(diluting brands, buying Beats an so on) but unlike Nokia is not that strong or have that amunt of cash t resist in the market . Nokia was such a strong brand name that even when was clear that Iphone is the new king they still buyed Nokia . Also , most of people once they are on a „relation” with such a brand product either is Iphone or a BMW car they hardly change the boat it took years for a friend of mine afte continuously buying Iphone to finally buy HTC One and unlike nokia , sony or even LG most of the people still dont know Who the F... is HTC

Yes those companies survive years on losses but again they were more stronger than HTC and even had many things to sell , like Nokia HQ,but for a company like HTC having losses will become very very hard for her to finance their operation...even Apple with tons o cash ...build their new HQ partially with bank credits... but with a descending trend and losses it will be very hard for HTC to finance their operation

Yes many say that HTC ONE failed which is true in some way....and is not absurd at all....yes it didnt failed in being a great product and probably the best smartphone around but it failed in selling expectation (the reason are many..) and even HTC expected more from One ....the S4 alos failed to sell that good and Samsung was quickly penalized by in market value, but Samsung pockets are full of cash. Yet indeed the One build a brand awareness

The discussion is not itf the brand will survive....we still have Moto but about if the HTC as a independent company will survive

We are all here a bunch of enthusiasts who like htc but people other dont really give a s...t about HTC because even now , many people dont know ..who is HTC

Now i know that you know all of this just my opinion isn't that optimistic
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I am not optimistic either, i'm just neutral, this is what i've been trying hard to say, i have no concern in this, their finance is their problem, if they ultimately fail I still don't see why consumers should care

in case you missed what i said i highlighted those mistakes as well

you guys don't need proof of what a big HTC fan i am, and still i honestly feel unconcerned if they "die", first because i don't believe it will happen, they might merge for which I am indifferent, their products will still exist, else if they do shut down completely, well it's their problem tons of other choices after my phone dies

with every Q results we get these threads "HTC in trouble"

its funny I remember those threads back in Desire HD days, when the first ever decline in sales was posted, funny because how did an early slope down in sales jump into "HTC in trouble" in people's minds

so i don't understand those threads or the urgency to post them

its like everyone is wishful HTC will die or something, like everyone wants the under dog to go away, very weird when we all claim to favour choice
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Moto X might cost $299
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
By the way the only explanation to Moto X8 Adreno 320 scores at 720p versus the latest Nexus 4 scores on the same v14 drivers is what TurboTab suggested

the GPU must running at 450mhz or higher

Motorola XT1058, 26fps/53fps

Nexus 4, 22fps/44.5fps

but i found this peculiar results from the windows version of GFX Bench

Adreno 305, 16fps/33.9fps

Nokia RX-114, Adreno 330 26fps/44fps
[One (M7) General] razer1224:
we found another guy over here

had one in One X
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Since today is day X

Let's talk HTC One maX :D any takers?

Personally i wish it was a 7inch tablet, i would buy it blindly

Curiously they had plans for 12" and 7" RT tablets but not sure if those are cancelled

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-One-Max_id8008

http://www.geek.com/android/5-android-smartphones-worth-waiting-for-1534820/2/

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/HTC/upcoming
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
25 HTC One Tips & Tricks

www.phonebuff.com/2013/06/25-htc-tips-tricks/
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
Moto x is official x8 processor, 10mp and 720p display, google play edition also on the way.

Hands on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVEeGZIQhh4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4yEXAimTQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Using the same kernel tho I'm trying out battery setup with 2100 ghz clock lol , anyway for some reason my HDR works normally. As for the battery I feel like stock kernel is a lil better , I might try bulletproof , tho idk why my average is 5 hrs screen time.
[One (M7) General] jesr:
So much for that killer price tag... props to Moto for thinking out off the box but with that specs/price ratio I dont see them having a massive hit. Although patriotism (the moto "made in USA" all over) might help it.
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
If the Moto X is more than $300 unlocked, it's a no go for me.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
its broken only in specific low light situation, it should be darkish with no light source in the viewfinder to break
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
just like i told you guys OpenCL was removed from Android 4.3 Nexus 4, although we currently have them on the HTC One

Android 4.3 update for Nexus 10 and 4 removes unofficial OpenCL drivers
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
its the same price as the HTC One :laugh: