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[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I think what people need to understand is, even though everyone has different opinions. Those with the more recent (top) devices have a more valid justified reason to be complaining. Because this screen isn't up to par and in the league it should be which is very dissapointing. For those with poorer low end devices, yes they might think wow! but thats like saying someone coming from a non smart phone to a low end smartphone. They would obviously be wowed easily.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
like I said
[Xperia Z General] Warrimonk:
I was referring to this post : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2108274

OP HAD called it an economical IPS, but it looks like they recently edited it and removed the statement. Sony does state that it uses a cheaper IPS due to thickness constraints... but the ZL is thicker so I thought that perhaps Sony may have smartened up and used a better panel.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
What you said has logic but isn't smart. Kinda stupid infact...

Just like saying Windows 98 > Windows Vista WOW!!!! but guess what Vista sucks and is old.

Going from old phone with 4inch 250ppi blah blah to > 5inch 441ppi WOW! but no...

Obviously they need to consider the phone's screen quality compared to NEWER or RECENT phones not compare with a old phone.
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
The screen on the xperia z is washed out and sucks balls.

Anyone claiming the screen is great is either lying, trolling or blind.

/End thread.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Look move along to the HTC One forum or Samsung one.....we know the XZ screen is not as good anticipated, but from what I have seen of it along with others that have seen are more than happy with it! The only one who is trolling is you.....

Btw I say from what I have seen from it and others, we have all had hands on, you are just going from reviews!!
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Your are funny I have to say, but your not very good in reading and/or understanding the written word :)

What I said (many times) is that the Z has a sub par screen that the one x has a much better screen. People that are impressed by the z all own older devices and this account for the fact that some people like it and some people don't. I never said or intended to say that people owning a one x are wrong, infect I said they where right. This boils down to exactly the same thing you have been saying:

so you are arguing with some who agrees with you :)
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Exactly, the Z does not hold anything to the One X's screen. And with the launch of the HTC One... Wow, the Z suddenly became obsolete and irrelevant!
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Ok guys what I am pointing out here is about "balance".

Xperia Z Screen

Advantage:

Less power consumed

High PPI

5'0inch screen

Disadvantage:

Average display quality

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HTC One X:

Advantage:

Great display quality

Disadvantage:

Consumes more power

lesser ppi

4'7inch screen

each have their own advantage and disadvantages so they're quite basically on the same level. I'm sure if the display of HTC One X were to be a 5'0incher and has the 441ppi I don't think it would be pretty much useable anymore so what sony did was sacrificed the display quality over extended power.

Now tell me any LCD screens here with a 5'0inch and 441ppi or greater and has excellent display quality on a mobile phone if it exists.

Like they said you can't have everything here. I'm sure people would prefer an average quality display over a phone that won't even last a day right?

Also why need a very2 precise color on a mobile phone? IMHO I won't be doing any graphics designing job on my phone to the point I would need a very precise color output. And if every they would put everything on the phone what would happen to their other products like their DLSR camera's and TVs?

I remember years ago I was so happy having my nokia 6600 phone and it's display quality was lightyears away compared to the displays now. My point on this statement is that people here tend to have no satisfaction. They're given great stuffs yet they would crave for more.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I am not arguing with you. But your ignorant one line replies don't help. You by saying

Doesn't really mean anything nor help.

I tried explaining, YES that is the case BUT "insert my reason" why it shouldn't be the case. I am trying to inform the people they are paying OVER the odds for a sub par screen like you said. Just because it looks fine compared to their 2 year old device doesn't mean it is fine and should be acceptable by any means. They need to take into account that the screen may seem fine but compared to what is out there currently (even 720p screens) it isn't amazingly different otherwise being 1080p. Once 1080p screens become the norm then they will notice the difference.
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
lol you're giving the HTC a negative mark for having lesser PPI.

i can assure you you will not be able to notice the fewer pixels at this high density!

seriously!
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
XZ PPi = 443

HTC One PPi = 463

???
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
I am currently a proud owner of HTC :p And seriously I would have bought HTC One if only it has a removeable battery.

The only reason why I came back to sony is because HTC right now removed some of my needed features like sd slot and removeable battery.

And I am not pointing a negative mark on what I said. I am just pointing out that each screen technology has it's own characteristics which makes it great over the other.

And yeah 300+ppi is already enough that I would agree with you but still that doesn't change the fact that the one sony has is far greater than what's currently on HTC. Yeah it's only through sheer numbers but still it's greater and nobody can deny it.

BTW due to the 441ppi of sony if you would notice the UI is almost like real now. The ppi advantage is not about the "you can notice the pixels on screen" it's about the "how realistic is the rendered display is"
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
whatever you think people here are dumb and don't know how to make there own choice based on there own preferences. You use a immature aggressive style to "help" people without reading what is said before.

i'm done with this silly discussion
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Mostlikely they will change it.

or....

Watch out for the battery reviews in the near future ;) and remember my post here as soon as you get the results.
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
How can they change it?.....i thought the PPi was figured out by the resolution of the screen compared to the size of the screen?

I already can guess what the battery will be like.....i have had a One X for the last year and i have no problem getting a couple of days out of my One X.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
How can they change it...?

& As far as better is concerned, users of the DNA confirm a minimum of a Days use of their device.

The HTC One has a more energy efficient processor then the DNA and a smaller screen, so it should last longer then the DNA.

It should also last longer then the Xperia Z, considering the last generation processor on the Xperia.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
Exactly :good:
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
most flapship phone are generally good for at least 1 day use aren't they. With stamina mode it should help a bit more.
[Xperia Z General] decentgi:
mental

whats wrong with you people you have been given a valid reason as to why the screen appears to be washed out at certain angles and you still dont understand you should have stopped the tread there but you guys are insisting on talking **** do you honestly think that sony would put a inferior screen on a device that they have labeled as the best of sony come on IMO sony design is far superior than any other manufacturer especially samsung . samsung cant even come up with there own designs and have to borrow from other companies

( apple ) cough cough. so stop this bullcrap about one of the most best looking phones on the market to date if not for the entire time of 2013 or until sony comes up for a new design. and wait until they fix the issue and if they cant fix it then dont buy it simple
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
It's already been stated that the screen is inferior, a cheap screen to keep the slim profile, how are they going to fix it?
[Xperia Z General] Shasarak:
The single biggest thing I use my smartphone for is watching downloaded video. Coupled with some good noise-blocking headphones, it's the only thing that makes comuting 5 days a week on the London Underground bearable.

I'm very much looking forward to watching things in HD. And good colour accuracy is critical for this - I'm the kind of person who owns a colorimeter and won't watch an uncalibrated television.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I like that :)

most definitely agree about the TV, but never watch movies on my phone my commuting is way to short
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Ok then :) Well my point here on this thread is to prove that all Xperia Z units are the same whether it would be a demo, docomo or international variant. And if some users reported excellent screen and some report it's washed out then it only proves that the issue is within the software and not the hardware.
[Xperia Z General] schecter7:
I owned two X10s. They had very different displays especially contrast-wise. First one, I bought on the launch day, had lower contrast and display looked washed out. I wasn't able to tell until I bought the other one about a month later. The difference was very obvious. Ruling out the possibility of different manufacturers, my point is display quality can vary a bit especially during early production phase. It'll get more even as manufacturing process gets mature. Maybe that's why we're seeing different opinions about the display quality.
[Xperia Z General] feryshad:
Renesas SP also has newer driver (R63417 Liquid Crystal Driver with RAM and for High-Definition Low-Temperature Poly-Silicon Panels Supporting Full HD)

w w w.rsp.renesas.com/en/news/2012/news20121217.htm

can sony/developer use this driver in Xperia Z/ZL?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That is about an actual hardware chip to be integrated in the display board or mainboard. Developers can't use it...
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
The HTC Butterfly has a far better display than the XZ one.

It's 5", it's FHD, better contrast ratio, viewing angles and better colors overall (according to PhoneArena, next to true colors).

On the other hand, even the Chinese Phone Oppo Find 5" has a better display http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z-review-887p3.php

Moreonver, while the One X was really power hungry, HTC managed to keep the energy consumption in check with the revised One X+ (new and revised Tegra 3 chip must help there).

I'm not saying the XZ is a bad phone or people shouldn't get it, but I still think they could have managed to to a better job display wise without sacrificing too much the battery life.

Now, I'm waiting the the final results of the XZ's battery life, maybe Sony really did got the best deal out of it.

As for now, the HTC Butterfly has a decent battery life, better than the Oppo Find 5, we'll see how Sony will measure up against those 2 (almost same specs).
[Xperia Z General] Mitsuya Cider:
I want to know,

Are the ones from Docomo, equipped with better screens?

Or only the developer ones?

Please let me know. I might order the Docomo version of the Xperia Z if that is the case!
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
They are all the same ;)
[Xperia Z General] DakiX:
The display is very bright and good. The contrasts are good - better than in the Nexus 4 - and the black level is very good for a lcd display. Not like AMOLED but better than the Padfone 2.
[Xperia Z General] finoqq84:
Dim Screen

hi guy, i am collecting my Xperia Z next thurs and saw alot of discussions on the Screen issue.

I have went to 2 sony outlets and compared the screens. Its not as bright as my current xperia ion. I have set both sceens to the MAX brightness. The brightness is only abt 60% the brightness. (very Dim) Some of the staffs said its a norm whereas some said its only the Demo set. Can anyone that has really bought the phone now to clear this doubt? Are my previous phones xperia S, Ion, Acro S too bright? Or is the Xperia Z's display so called Natural Colour reproduction? Its real dim . Especially the ones at Orchard Wisma Singapore. Other outlets seems brighter.. I am Confused. I paid already the $200 DEPOSIT.. :confused:
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I don't know how bright the ION is but if you look at the table in the gsmarena review it's more or less the same as XS, One X, Lumia 920. The nexus 4 and the iphone are a bit brighter.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z-review-887p3.php

So the brightness should not be a problem, most reviews say it's perfectly usable in bright sunlight and a minority of reviewers is not impressed by the sunlight readability of the XZ
[Xperia Z General] finoqq84:
Thanks for replying, any more kind souls out there to give any comments?
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
if someone has both an ION and a Z maybe he/she could comment on the overall display quality Z vs ION
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Don't worry about the screen. It's perfectly fine. True, viewing angles could be better, but it's bright enough and colours are not washed out - at least when you're not comparing it to AMOLED screen. For an LCD screen, it's great. When Bravia kicks in, colours are amazing. In stock launcher it looks greyish - but take a closer look at the UI, most of elements are not black but grey instead - if you get Apex or Nova, the UI looks exactly as in other "super saturated" phones.

Shortly: you've got nothing to worry about. It might not be the best screen out there, but its certainly good enough to fit Sony's flagship.
[Xperia Z General] PsyMonkey:
Went in to the Three store today and played with the phone. The screen is good enough for my needs and better IMO than the iphone and S3. Based on this I placed my preorder a few minutes ago.
[Xperia Z General] DakiX:
Here is my comparison with iPhone 5 (dropbox view): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqy3iswifh5tnbz/PuUIhUIgjF
[Xperia Z General] taxas:
what was your brightness settings? can you test it at 50%?

Thanks for the pics :D
[Xperia Z General] DakiX:
Yes its already 50%. I did now a comparison with the Note 2 (even 50%)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jgs34k9xn8a1pe6/rIXxaDjUSA
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
I suppose you activated the bravia engine? Because some images are so different while I guess they are supposed to be the same.

Overall, iPhone's display renders colors better, we can see several levels of the same colors (red, yellow, etc... Photos 1 and 2 show it clearly) and in photos 5 and 6, iPhone get more vibrance and really shows the difference in quality on multiple levels : better color rendering (it just seems to be 2 different images) , image seems to get more vibrancy, like way more comparing to the washed out colors (like there is a white veil in the XZ screen).

If the bravia engine was active, it would maybe better to switch if off since it usually gives untrue colors (they seem more vivid with BV on).

Thanks for the pics mate.
[Xperia Z General] DakiX:
BE2 is only activated in the album not dropbox but when compared with the iPhone 5 (if the touch buttons are not visible), it is the album. WIth Note 2 everything is via Dropbox so without bravia engine 2nd I can say with bravia engine 2 is the contrast as in sAMOLED :good:
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
looks great, better in most shots IMO, what is the issue really? Just outdated firmware?
[Xperia Z General] DakiX:
what kind of issue?
[Xperia Z General] namezlezz:
So for the iPhone5 comparison only the first 3 shots are with BE2 off as they are in dropbox but in the Note2 comparison all of them are without BE2 ? In that case im pretty solded on the Xperia Z and the screen is still damn good IMO...thanks for the comparison :good:
[Xperia Z General] finoqq84:
Last doubt

Thanks for sharing so much info and i had regained confidence to the handset.

One last doubt, can any one that has already bought the phone confirms that it has a screen calibration software? Or its by region?
[Xperia Z General] gtrab:
Good to hear that
[Xperia Z General] danw_oz:
Yep, everybody states photos movies look fantastic with the bravia 2 engine maybe with a little too much saturation. So therefore this phenomenon people are reporting has nothing to do with the screen quality, as suggested by many is highly likely to be related to the home screen on the phone being a grey not black.

I have to admit though when I saw the first HTC One screen, it was just stunning, when I first saw it from a distance I had to ask my friend what phone was that. There is no doubt that this is the best screen on the market for colours and brightness. IMO all other phone screens look substandard to the new generation HTC phones

I hate the horrible greeny hue on the Samsung phones, to me they are horrible to look at. My first HTC phone had an amoled display and it doesn't look that unnatural.

Before I placed my order on the Sony phone, I went into the store and looked at it. I could not fault it based on what was stated, apart from general brightness. All viewing angles looked as you would expect from an IPS panel. But I never took it outside so can't comment on that, it could be a different story.

The measured contrast ratio of this phone was almost the same as my HTC Sensation XE, and this phone was fine.

I am sure a revised screen driver will be written to improve all this, so I am not so concerned with this.

---------- Post added at 04:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:57 PM ----------

Thanks so much for the comparisons, very handy. From my observation I can see the hue temperature shifts.

The Sony has a blue hue colour temperature, this will not help give you the feeling that things are washed out. The sunset shot you have here is a perfect example of this, it looks more natural to the eyes to have the more warm tint.

All of the the note shots the colour temperature is warmer, this will give your eyes the impression of more saturation ie less washed out.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Just read a Norwegian review of the Xperia Z and like --a lot of people--i'm also interested in the display quality, so here are some pics from the review. I'm an "AMOLED man", and i like deep blacks and other things AMOLED brings to the table, so screen quality is important to me.

Galaxy S3 Vs Xperia Z: Looks good

iPhone 4S(?) Vs Xperia Z: This... looks bad
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
In the first pic.. I still like the s3 colors..look at the chrome icon color..i guess i m a amoled guy too.lol..

But xperia screen looks sharper.. The labels can be read more clearly.. Guess its because of the 1080p screen.

In the second pic,... Damn those xperias viewing angles suck if thats the case..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Yeah, the Xperia Z's screen is much sharper, but the colors are killing me on the Z. Just take a look at this video. The three other models are raping the Z; especially the Note 2. Watch closely when the videos on each screen ends and goes black. The Z's screen goes grey. I know it's a LCD screen, but just look at how well the One X is doing.

[YOUTUBE]Mmeai9XjXRQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
doesn't look that bad to be honest.

overall the nexus 4 screen looks the most bland out of those.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Like i said, i'm an AMOLED user, so i'm used to deep blacks and (overkill) rich colors. The colors on the Z looks great if you look straight at it, but if you look at it from a different angle, the colors gets washed out. It reminds me of my Desire HD, and i can't even look at it today without laughing at how bad it looks. But who in their right mind looks at the screen from weird angles? I do. Not that i use the phone whilst holding it weird, but the overall quality feel, like i feel like this isn't a quality gadget as soon as i look at it from a different angle, and it ruins it for me.

Personal notes:

I shouldn't really compare LCD Vs AMOLED, but i'm used to the latter now and i'm interested in the Z, so it's natural for me to compare these two. Also, i haven't actually touched a Z yet, so my observations are purely from pictures and videos, so i might get a better impression when i get the chance to try one in the real world.
[Xperia Z General] DakiX:
Images or videos that are not shown in the gallery are without Bravia Engine 2 It supports NOT things like Dropbox, etc. Therefore, this difference is so great. Sony calls it Reality Display with BE2 but only in their own album. The device is not yet widely available, and so on, but soon begins to the custom scene, and there can make much;)

when I look at pictures in the album, it's like a sAMOLED
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon90:
Wow the colors of the sg3 look way off, just look at the Spotify icon, it doesn't look green anymore.
[Xperia Z General] Q.Entity:
Sv: Clearing up the display issue of the Xperia Z

I was reading the Norwegian review... Hmmm... one can tell it was NOT written by anyone from Engadget ;)

Skickat från min Nexus 4
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Yeah, that's the "AMOLED effect". Black levels and colors are insane compared to LCD. Some people hate it, and some people love it (including me).

Hah, not at all. Dinside isn't really a tech site, but it's interesting to see what "regular" people think about the Z.
[Xperia Z General] benziii:
About as informative as VG:p
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Hahah, VG is pathetic. Nuff said :p
[Xperia Z General] edyboy:
Xperia Z didn't go beyond six hours on our battery rundown test. Looping video at 50 percent brightness, with WiFi on (but not connected), the phone managed a little over five and a half hours on our first test.

Source: Engadget

I don't think power efficiency is the reason for putting a sub par screen with below par viewing angle. Even Droid DNA outlasted it on looping video with just 2020 mAH battery. Yes it's a review site! Who can inform as better than those who had tested actual device. Doesn't everyone wonder why most of the review sites have same thing to say with the screen quality? Because it really sucks.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
I really wonder why the Xperia Z battery sucks so badly?

It's bigger than the Droid DNA and has the same hardware yet performs worse? :eek:
[Xperia Z General] kuppodolphin:
i think this washing out display from 45 degree viewing angle happen in all xperia devices. If you already ever have xperia devices before, i think you will like this display because it's more sharper than any xperia devices before.

There is no point to compare sony display with samsung display. Each company have their own technology. Maybe sony is thinking there is no one want to watch or using your phone from another angle, so it will be not a problem. Do you use your phone from 45 degree viewing angle? I think there is no one in this world that see their phone from 45 degree viewing angle.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
I do when I'm lying in bed at night reading stuff. My head is on the pillow looking sideways while my phone (Note) is beside me. That's the only time I look at it from a "weird" angle :p
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
I completely disagree on the angle thing.. I see a lot of possibilities where good viewing angles should be good..

What if me and my gf or a friend watches a video side by side

How about when you play games and the other person wants to see your score or how you play

Or maybe if i just putmy phone on the side and a notification comes which lights the screen making me look at it to know who sent it or check the time..

With 2013 phones coming with 1080p and a lot of ppi, i dont find sonys bad viewing angles as an excuse..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
It always has been one of Sony's main flaws. They never managed to get around that battery life issue (in comparison to HTC, Samsung) despite putting a bigger battery than HTC.

I think, that's why they used a add-on software solution, the Stamina mode to, somehow, resolve that.

While the Stamina mode should be great in sleep mode, it wouldn't do much when the phone is active.