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[One (M7) General] djbenny1:
I dont understand, we already know it is being released on the 15th March?
[One (M7) General] py_martinez:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

End of May in the USA :eek: 15 mars in Europe :) I think there is something wrong, no ?

Envoyé depuis mon HTC One X avec Tapatalk
[One (M7) General] Tribulattifather:
From the HTCSource News Feed:

"Nearly a week and a half ago, we broke the news that HTC would start selling the HTC M7 in Europe on March 8th."

This is the time it could be ready. It could be available March 22nd here, but, tmo is gonna need time to bloat it don't forget ;)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The GPU concern is valid for those who care for mobile gaming, people who don't game on their smartphone like you should no bother, but for those who do its still very valid, in fact one of the main reasons of apple's is gaming
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
It's mentioned everywhere including the official specifications PDF ;) I would believe them better
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Yes my money on GPU clocks and not memory, HTC has a habit of opting for less GPU speed which can be easily fixed by root or custom kernels, still i would like to get my promised s600 out of box

But like I said there is a very high possibility of temperature reasons for that score, in the video many benchs were attempted before the gl benchmark this is a reason alone to lower the results

Try it on ur current device, runs quadrant, antutu and then run gl you will get lesser results if u caused the device to heat up
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Welcome aboard freedom, the build quality will shock you p, HTC makes gorgeous metal phones and paint them better as well, just check their 200$ One V and their One S has to be seen to be believed, as for the HTC sync news, it was confirmed by HTC's own development team member Jet Leigh
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Again n again n again we are not talking about any bench, we are talking about the most accurate graphics bench which directly reflects gaming performance, even oping it nails the promised 39fps it still barely enough for running upcomign 3d games at this insane resolution

If you don't care please don't reply, because seriously you don't know what your talking about, we have made a phd level of research about this in the One X mega thread, so do some research before you disrespect others

On the One X just 3fps extra in that super heavy GPU bench translated to considerable improvement in actual games

This topic only concerns those who want the best mobile gaming

A 900$ android flagship should at least keep up with last year iDevices

We are concerned but not drawing any conclusions, I'm pretty sure that wasn't a clean result, anandtech will clear it all soon enough
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
UltraPixel sensor, second generation ImageChip and Zoe all nicely wrapped into the HTC One
[One (M7) General] sgt. slaughter:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Thus is clearly a biased section when it comes to gaming as its most of the concern here all the time.... Btw apples success has very little to do with their gaming and gpu...yes they had a giant leg up on android to start and it took a long time to get apps ported over and games but that has since passed... Their success hinges around providing an extremely simple user experience and capturing a giant market share at the right time with a giant ad campaign and continuing to keep items up to date...

I have yet to hear if any more than a handful of people say things like "oh no I'm not getting that phone bc it can't play my fav fps game....". Reasons for buying or not buying are much more than that.
[One (M7) General] ryanjsoo:
gsmarena analyses the iphone 5, htc one camera comparison: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_vs_iphone_5_camera_shootout_surfaces_we_compare-news-5590.php
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
ur hand shook when taking the night mode photo
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
bold claims...although we all know java script is not krait's brightest plus these tests are usually browser dependent

http://blogs.nvidia.com/2013/04/a-b...rocessor-family-at-annual-investor-day-event/
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
To Nvidia

Sunspider should be shot, burned and sent into space, you can optimise (cheat) your way to lower scores, the test is too small, and completes too quickly on modern hardware. Show me a Mozilla Kraken benchmark, on the the same browser, and lets talk
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
@Turbo so the Xperia z got ES 3.0 already? Which android?
[One (M7) General] anit77:
Thanks for the info turbo! I'm fairly android os illiterate. I can run some adb commands and no problem flashing but the internals are a bit beyond me. I thought a driver could just be cooked it to compatible bases.

I get my One next week can't wait.

I hope HTC gives us 4.2.2 soon.
[One (M7) General] Nekromantik:
Im excited for T5 to be honest, at least for tablet use as CUDA support means we can use GPU assisted acceleration in Linux for BackTrack/Kali.
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
It's 4.2.2, but I don't know if it's a stock or custom ROM
[One (M7) General] galer09:
HTC One the best phone on the market

The new htc one is the best phone and i own it :)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
So Android Police review is full of good praise

AndroidPolice: HTC One Deep-Dive Review: The Most Important Smartphone This Year May Also Be The Best>>

This is the camera review I liked the most to be honest, its pretty objective the reviewer actually experience what this camera is all about, make sure to check out their awesome photo samples

Also a sound advice

This review actually reveals how photographically ignorant both GSMarena and Phonearena are

Moving to our second concern, build concerns

They do mention an aluminum volume rocker which I don't think it is

Now after all this build praise check these interesting photos of the device in full scale

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/nexusae0_wm_IMG_5626.jpg

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/nexusae0_wm_IMG_5635.jpg

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/nexusae0_wm_IMG_5646.jpg

Yup the speaker cover has a tiny gab and 0.1% overshooting the edge. Also the white band rings have micro imperfections

But the reviewers all these reviewers seems to consider such niggles too little to even bring up, it's an OCD issue more or less
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Congrats mate hope you enjoy your stay

Don't forget to share with us your experience
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
So ES 3.0 and 4.2 drivers are one, like you said the Qualcomm source require 4.2.x

This is almost confirming the S4 reason of superior GPU scores

The m7 4.2 firmware is currently in alpha so its not long now
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Funny compared to my iPad4 5MP camera, the One's 4MP photos are a quantum leap, especially in 1:1 crops and sharpness -1

I will surely be using it in my analysis once my One arrives, I really feel sorry for HTC these guys are never appreciated or given a break

Check how horrible is the algorithm at 1:1, daylight indoor the entire photo is yellowish despite no yellow light in the room, iPad capture

Not to mention how slow it is to capture and focus

Someone is giving you quality and detail exceeding most 8MP smartphones plus night vision abilities at a fraction of the file storage size and capture time, and yet everyone is crying

I think HTC lost their MP war...consumers are idiots

Did someone say over sharpness/noise canceling? At least I can disable it on all my HTCs and I can do nothing about it on my iDevices...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The only comfort is that really many users are finally making use of those camera settings

Excellent result
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
By the way anyone tried the included trace keyboard, it works amazingly well on the One X
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
Phonearena doesn't like HTC hamdir. Review guy almost forgot telling about the camera in comparison video between S4. He said "HTC One's 4 MP camera" and then 5-6 seconds later he just added "ultrapixel"

I used to like their reviews but Samsung shouldn't need such tricks and reviewers should be the most objective people around.

It is a joy, I'm almost using it all the time.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
He did attempt to re review the camera based on the HTC blog posts and mine, still people will only look at that stupid comparison score he gave

It's stilly to give the s4 such high score when it has such a miserable field of view...and as inefficient in low light (yes I care not about those fanboy claims) but I guess all they care about is "waw those colors" which I admit they are tempting, HTC should definitely sort out their post processing on the One camera

Yup just like every other hidden super well made HTC feature

Anyway I'm glad your back mate ;) hope you saw my PM
[One (M7) General] ArmedandDangerous:
HTC has got a mountain to climb in the advertisement part though. I really hope HTC makes it with the One as I absolutely love their products.

Any "-arena" website is so Samsung-biased I don't even trust a single thing they so anymore. Always trusted Anand over the tears, and always will :D

Sent from my HTC One X, slithering with ViperX JB
[One (M7) General] anit77:
I saw some reports of at&t stores selling early. Went to one with no luck. But played with a demo. Arrgg I really want it now! The unit was pristine with no issues. I couldn't believe how fast it was stock.

Looks like I've got to wait several more days...
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
incredible macro power in the HTC One
[One (M7) General] DeSaint2:
Gotta love master chief =P those are some good shots imo. Just the right amount if blur on the ar to still be able to tell what it is but emphasizes the focus on master chief

Tohrment the Lesser slayer
[One (M7) General] TRiBaL1981:
Samsung ”worried” about their build quality

Well it was about time :laugh:

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/04/13...quality-galaxy-note-iii-to-have-a-new-design/
[One (M7) General] Dharkan:
They should have done it with S4. Oh well it is good for HTC. :D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Lol straight from the mouth of their biggest source

Do they have the time to adjust the note 3?

Sam mobile insiders failed to fulfill their leaks before so we will see

This will also cannibalize their sgs4 sales

Besides is metal at such size a good idea?

Looks its always HTC who is setting the trendess in the Android world
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Speaking of metal

My favorite HTC metal beast so far is the Titan I like it even more than the One
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
Sensation xl in black running wp7? :D
[One (M7) General] jesr:
But wouldn't this also mean trouble for HTC and others if Samsung starts to "do things right" on premium design and materials/feel side?
[One (M7) General] TRiBaL1981:
Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Personally, i doubt it.

Premium design is not an easy task. Even Apple ****ed up with iphone 5.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
It was gun metal colored which was very cool, the unibody was full metal unlike the XL

Also the speaker grills very cool

Here is what Engadget had to say about the build in their review

i actually meant theTitan II, I just remembered as I was trying to imagine a metallic note 3 but sam will never have such design taste

I meant the front and side, the back is ugly, those ugly patches are finally history thanks to the One

Curiosily the camera is 16MP and fails thanks to its low sensitivity ;)
[One (M7) General] stesa:
my preferite metal HTC was this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayi93X7VEKg

umbelievable piece of hardware
[One (M7) General] Dark13lade:
My sister just bought the HTC One, and I didn't follow this thread for a while.

Is there anything u need to specifically check? Like the wifi in the one X... Still suffering from that one
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
Sammobile aren't to be trusted very much. They listed the SoC of the Galaxy S4, until almost launch day, as a Exynos 5450, a 2GHz A15 with Mali 658 GPU = Wrong.

They said the leaked Chinese GS4 wasn't the final design, BS, a few days later the same design was unveiled as the GS4. Their leak can't be very senior in the company, or is purposely feeding them fud, to keep Samsung's name in the press.

IMO, a metal GS4 wouldn't look any better, if they follow the same design language.
[One (M7) General] huxley309:
Would be nice if it was true, I've grown tired of the plastic fantastic look.
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
Exactly. Samsung Mobile's design problem isn't about materials. It's about tacky choices (gloss vs. matte, faux aluminium/chrome, bizarre textures, shapeless/bloblike design).

For them to turn things around they'd need to fire their entire design team and replace them with the folk who design their laptops. The Duralumin Series 9 is still the best looking laptop ever made imo.
[One (M7) General] jesr:
Well put. Although I think Samsung could easily change the design language, they've done it before. And if you remember their high end Bada phones were not bad in terms of premium build and in hand feel.

On a related note I find somewhat surprising that the media is mesmerized about HTC using alluminium on the ONE. HTC pretty much brought the unibody metal design to mobile and have been doing great designs with metal for years.

Btw you guys think that this year is going to be a ONE+? HTC said the ONE will be the only flagship smartphone for the year but you never know. A phablet seems more likely though.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Jesr half of mankind believes the iPhone5 is the first unibody metal phone
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
No way this was metal as well?? Waw
[One (M7) General] stesa:
it was mate. bur battery cover and keyboard of course.
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Android Polices and anandtechs review comments have been destroyed. Shame because the reviews are very good.
[One (M7) General] JayMore:
Come on, at least we, the people at xda forums should know better. Apple is nowhere near premium design, that's utter nonsense fed through the hype. Have you ever held one in your hand? They suck.

No bull**** please. It was 100% plastic.

It's not even metal OR unibody, it's mostly glass.

...Come on people, get your facts straight, what's wrong with you today? :confused:
[One (M7) General] beno619:
I think your getting confused with the iPhone 4 which was glass, the iPhone 5 is aluminium.

They both feel quite good in the hand IMHO.

We're going way OT tho :P
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Unfortunately, Brian been getting flamed for his HTC One review ever since it was published

https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/323295723196137472
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
Paid flamers again...
[One (M7) General] Dark13lade:
Anyone knows? Please help?
[One (M7) General] goulies:
If there are no visual defects everything else should be ok.
[One (M7) General] catachresistant:
The only real issue with the One seem to be mis-aligned speaker grilles resulting in a tiny gap on the top or bottom of the device, or seam where the speaker grill meets the display's glass (the glass will feel raised above the grille).

Display calibration seems to vary, although I think there are only two panel vendors (I believe - if anything, it could have been narrowed to one since early production)

There is a firmware update coming very soon to fix some camera niggles.

The black One, when chipped, shows silver underneath.

It's aluminium so it gets hot to the touch when pushed.

I think that's everything??
[One (M7) General] Taptapdude:
Been on the one for 3 days and I must say it's gorgeous and excellent and fun camera to use. Pity battery life won't last me half a day.
[One (M7) General] Option58:
Haha when I got my phone battery did not last 2 hours. I was that excited. Went normal afterwards... xDDD
[One (M7) General] jesr:
I don't understand why. Is it wrong to praise an exellent product? Brian didn't bashed or compared it with the SGS4.

I remember back in the day, when he reviewed the SGS2, he also praised the device, a Samsung device! Why people can't accept the fact that other companies can build great devices too! If you don't accept this I'm sorry but you are a fanboy and you are limiting and hurting yourself as a consumer.
[One (M7) General] patato2:
In my country, forum manipulation from a certain company has become a big news recently. This company hires lots of "internet marketing staffs", who not only praise their product, but also bash other product. We don't have evidence until someone hack their data out. They got a SOP, flow chart, you name it. they would even fake themselves as hTC's fans. The worst of all, I dont know who to trust anymore, those "marketing" infiltrate every forum I go.

So I am quite used to this when I saw all the blames to Anatech, it's exactly the same story. Anatech gives such a detailed review and still got flamed. I hate this.
[One (M7) General] huxley309:
Someone should go legal and put a stop to this business once and for all.

On day of release I couldn't believe the sheer number of accounts that got banned for this very thing.

It'll come back and bite them hard, and I'll be laughing when it does.
[One (M7) General] steve1996:
One thing I know is that we can trust Hamdir, provides us with true facts, opinions, predictions, guides and much more!
[One (M7) General] jonas2295:
Not sure if you guys saw that video already but it's hilarious :) I love the new htc one marketing

[YOUTUBE]FDsRqAjWX0I[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] vegetaleb:
I think the plastic smartphone in this ad is samsung sgs3/sgs4 :silly:
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I have posted something in regards to build quality concerns in the semi comparative thread currently running

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40292444&postcount=30
[One (M7) General] shox22:
Nvidia Shield (Tegra 4) scores 52fps in GLBenchmark 2.5 1080p offscreen:

http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro27&D=NVidia+Shield

Not bad
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
You are forgetting this is not a smartphone or a tablet, it has a heat sink
[One (M7) General] shox22:
I know. Still good :p

I would say perfect for a "small gaming console"

What would you say... 30% drop for mobile devices?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
I don't think we will ever see it in mobile devices
[One (M7) General] Turbotab:
But Tegra 4 scored 57 fps, with the texture compression ect1 version, at CES, so they lost 10% perf in a device with a heatsink / fan and huge battery! Now, imagine the score once Nvidia downclock the SoC to fit a tablet with less thermal capacity and smaller battery, let alone a smartphone. Anyway, GLbenchmark 2.7 is far more demanding, and better represents the future of mobile GPU requirements.
[One (M7) General] jesr:
You're from Taiwan I bet. Yes I've kind of exposed that scandal here and here. Shame that it will never get to western tech media though...any major development on that situation?

From ZDnet on Brian Klug's review

The AnandTech HTC One review: Spend a couple hours learning this weekend
[One (M7) General] JayMore:
Oops, that's right, I was. The iPhone 5 is still not unibody though. And not that premium either.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
such a big shame a local company is doing this to their own local industry

i live in the third world and still such fiasco would not go easy in my country

your government should take action, especially when HTC is such a big contributor to the economy
[One (M7) General] The-Last-Hylian:
Has this Deep Dive review been posted up yet?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/04/12/htc-one-deep-dive-review-the-most-important-smartphone-this-year-may-also-be-the-best/#conclusion
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
There is one thing i don't understand project shield's GL score

its scoring 51.9fps in Egypt HD 2.7 offscreen 1080p

and 55.2 in onscreen 720 offscreen, that is very odd

considering the Nexus 4 currently scores 43.9fps in current 720p onscreen goes to show how much more advanced Adreno 320 is as a mobile GPU, it is scoring 78% of Project's Shield score without any heat sink and inside a phone
[One (M7) General] patato2:
Oh, actually that is not a local company, it's the "you know who" global S-company, they have branch here(Everywhere).

I just saw a news said the government is going to try to fine S, whatever the result is.

Anyway, this is really not related with the device itself, just could not help it. Sorry guys if I interrupt your discussion.
[One (M7) General] beno619:
Could it just be Qaulcomm optimization for that particular benchmark ?

Or else T4 is an even bigger fail on Nvidia's part.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
T4 is great, just not as viable for mobile space and the performance incentive diminishes as you squeeze it into tighter space especially considering power consumption
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC E1 headlines company's Chinese online store with custom options (video)
[One (M7) General] beno619:
Sorry let me rephrase it.

Nvidia's execution in the mobile market has been a fail.

They should have concentrated on getting T4i out to compete with S600 and then worrying about getting T4/shield ready.

T4 this very capable like you said but here in April there are still no 3rd party design wins.

They dont have any competitive SOC for the 1st 2 quarters of 2013 and probably no phone soc untill MWC next year ?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yes they basically failed themselves this year, you hear it in the T5 article where they say we decided "to sacrifice" and focus on kepler mobile
[One (M7) General] beno619:
That is crazy for a company like Nvidia tho, considering how much money T3 made them last year.

I dont see them coming back into the smartphone game tbh they need a generational leap in performance to catch Qaulcomm.

The companion core is their saving grace I think Quad A15's + A9 ? at 20nm with a slightly nerfed kepler GPU.

Do you have a theories for how they will "adapt" T5 for phones Hamdir ?

Sorry for the OT guys :P
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
one kepler SMX has 192 shader cores, they are obviously aiming for 2 SMX like in their Kayla T5 simulation board, also on the razor edge we get 2 SMX @500mhz able to run crysis 3 at 640p to some extend

so Nvidia is clearly aiming for those 2x SMX surely at shrink smaller than kepler's default 28nm but as Turbo has stated and typical of Nvidia, they will most likely miss the mark and we end up with compromises

even one SMX will still impress in mobile perspective

i expect similar T5 performance similar to the HD4000 scores in these graphs (MS surface pro)

Nvidia likes to count in ALU counts and call them cores, so T4 has 72 cores, if T5 ends up with 192 they've still achieved 2.6x with the advantage of being unified

Funny enough 2.6x seems to be their magic pixel number :)

for those intrested to know more about T4, tons of info in my collective post here

now comparing to Qualcomm

Tegra 4 in Project shield is scoring 51.9 fps in Egypt HD 2.7 1080p offscreen and 55.2 720p onscreen in a roomier device with a heatsink

Adreno 330 was caught scoring 57fps in offscreen Egypt HD 2.5, this already beats Tegra 4 considering it was inside an LG phone

our highest Adreno 320 score remains to be the s600 SGS4 at 41fps

This brings us to Adreno 420 speed multiplier was TBD in those leaked slides, if we expect just 2x over the current Adreno 330 it should achieve around 100fps, around the same mark of my anticipated T5 performance ;)

keep in mind Egypt HD is now an old test, the TRex 2.7 is the benchmark now and will push those GPU to show what they are really made of, considering Adreno supports ES3.0 GLBenchmark 3.0 will also reveal a lot, ES 3.0 is not supported by T4/4i

curiously the slide spoke of the same specs as Adreno 3xx, ie ES 3.0 and not ES 4.3 as Tegra 5, the only difference against 3xx is that Adreno 420 support full Open CL 1.2 profiles (CUDA like GPGPU)

Eitherway Kepler is a very powerful architecture and Qualcomm should be preparing well
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC One launch vid disappears, but not before claiming it's 'everything your phone isn't' (video)