yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
To be fair LG did a great job with the Nexus 4 as the build quality is very high and it feels very sturdy. But i don't like the slow/washed out/terrible low light performance of the camera.
[One (M7) General] pradeepvizz:
Do you mean google keyboard was crashing or was not compatible. i had always had Google keyboard side loaded in my phone, but how does application update and Google keyboard relate?
[One (M7) General] mitas35:
In my country is still $860:rolleyes:

i wend with my sister in low and bout one yesterday for her i am so jelus:crying:

it was sh36.... with no issues
[One (M7) General] RoachPapa:
In Germany about 500€ and the s4 about 460€. That's a fair price, when i read your ones.;)

Gesendet von meinem HTC One mit Tapatalk 2
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
In the UK HTC is cheaper than s4, mainly due to the UK being the country that loves s devices the most if you didn't already know that fact. In the UK people love the s4 my brother has one and to be fair it isn't ugly as people claim and from first impressions which wasn't too long it seemed fine and the speakers are okay aswell their quite loud.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC Butterfly S GFX Bench results, my guess the GPU is at 450mhz default since its a 1.9ghz s600 (like the sgs4)

Http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=HTC+PO68+(Butterfly+2,+DLX+Plus)
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Tons of mobile GPU talk here:

https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-a-look-of-what-s-to-come

Thanks to the dolphin emu genius
[One (M7) General] aliHTCDHD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6VLvKHAeXQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Comparison of two pc's with same specs as Xbox one and ps4 it shows what extra 50% power can provide over Xbox one. The ps4 has 8gb of gddr5 ram 3.5gb is reserved for the os leaving 4.5gb for the games but a extra one gb of ram can be given leaving devs with a total of 5.5gb ram. We knew the os was going to take some of the ram but 3.5gb is quite a lot and we thought one advantage over pc's is game consoles are simple and less power hungry os's then pc's, meaning consoles have to reserve less ram for os use and more can be granted to the games. It seems the ps4's operating system is quite bloated maybe with all the features it becomes more power hungry. The Xbox one is worse because it has less ram and the os is always ready to respond to voice actions and gestures via kenect while playing games.
[One (M7) General] Ali_ultra99:
The price of the HTC one in Egypt is still a solid 860 $ , even after 5 months of being in the Egyptian market , the price of the one x after the same period , had a 60 $ price slash , the galaxy s4 in the other hand , could pass a month without a new price :D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
well this is just initially, i think Sony is leaving a reserve just in case until they lock their software features, Sony did lower their OS footprint on the PS3 in later point in it's life cycle

and to note, this compartive simulation by Digital Foundry only aims to look at the GPU difference and not the rest of the stuff like memory bandwidth etc. 25% really world increase is not bad at all, unless MS SDKs and DirectX APIs can equalize the difference in software, there is another simulation for bandwith in the article

but let's not forget we still have the GPU bandwidth to take into consideration as well these are completely different on each console, the X1 is the harder console when it comes to memory management and the SRAM is almost pointless, its just a cost measure by MS they didnt go with EDRAM which would have provided a massive bandwith advantage ala ps2/x360, if a developer voodoo literally maximizes the bandwidth on the X1 they will only match the PS4

Also like DF pointed out, all the ALUs along the extra ones can be used for compute since Sony modified the GPU to maximize compute usage, this would act as "secret sauce" for console specific titles

These are the more interesting videos (although i don't get why he went with 2x MSAA no one will uses in this in next gen consoles, instead they will favour post AA like SMAA, FXAA and Sony's upcoming TMAA)

[YOUTUBE]p6xLNwzqanY[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]qzf7Q2-A7AU[/YOUTUBE]

so 25% thanks to GPU plus 20% thanks to bandwith (second video), thats 45% already

in a nutshell, multi platform games on ps4 will lag less if the game is laggy and will hit 60fps more if its a 60hz game, or simply higher pixel count and most likely better AA since like the crew developers mentioned these compute resources are perfect for AA, games made specifically for it will look better

In either way I literally can't wait, i have played all the main games on my PS3, now chilling with Ni No Kuni until the PS4 is out (I might get puppeteer if its out while the ps3 is still unsold), battefield 4 and Assassin creed will be played on the PS4

END OT
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
interesting info about the Rogue lineup, iPad 4 level of performance is aimed at the masses

https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry

MediaTek's MT8135 SoC does dual-core big.LITTLE MP, packs PowerVR Series6 GPU (G6200)
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt On-screen / Off-screen (fps)	47 / 46

not that impressive...maybe only 2 core g6200 in the Soc?

hope ipad 5 use g6400/g6430

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

153.6 gflops
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
its 729$ officially here (Dont forget the coupon as well)

or 660$ unofficial without local warranty

i suggest you pay us a visit then :) its only 15 minutes away ;)
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
has anyone confirmed whether the tint issues are software or hardware? all newer devices shipped with 4.2.2 seems to have this issue.

i believe it's the newer firmware causing this
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
what tint?
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2317507

the thing is, if i manually set iso to 200, then no tinting problem. it only happens when iso is higher than 400 and also auto mode
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
waw are these fillrate numbers real?
[One (M7) General] .vermilion:
Don't know if it will be any help for you:

I bought my One almost 3 weeks ago. It was shipped with 4.1.2. I upgraded via OTA to 4.2.2. - No problems with camera.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
i dont have any tint in my low light shots either but it might be the custom kernel or auto selecting the better ISO
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
the iso is 2000, yes you could be right. it might be caused by a custom kernel. some guy over at q&a said he flashed faux's kernel and it went away. im currently using tbalden's stock kernel with s2w, nothing more. not sure if that caused it. i'll try to switch back to a clean kernel.

in case you're wondering , here's mine.

bright light (slightly blur my hands were a bit shaky)

dark (with flash)

dark (beige tint)

all auto. note this is with tbalden's kernel
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
no idea..but the mali t628 and adreno 330 still pawn g6200 in benchmark....but real life performance more important though....
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
where are those benchmarks mate? link?

you said 47fps which is just a little higher than our 44fps on Adreno 320 450mhz, we still have to see how it does in shader heavy situations like Trex

DF mentioned 6400 has double the cores count

so 47 x 2? :)

this would make sense of the usual 2x increase from Apple
[One (M7) General] jianlinooi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf_ZGDoEPMo

from mediatek's video

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/mediatek-mt8135-biglittle-mp-powervr-series6-g6200/
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
not kernel related..
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
by the way does HDR low light works with tbalden's kernel? (if you dont mind to test)

you need to test in full low light
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
nice, i didnt notice it the first time

also dont forget the iPad GPU has a good lead versus Adreno 320 54fps vs 44fps in Egypt, but the lead fades in shader stress where they simply match

so we will have to see, Egypt on its own is no longer enough

I expect 80fps range for the iPad5 in Egypt offscreen,

Wish Qualcomm shares their architecture like this
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
give me one minute.

well....

i cant tell really LOL

hdr on

hdr off
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
well it worked, on faux and EX it usually locks the camera app

the tint issue is very weird, i dont have it
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
damn it

i'm almost breaking to the Nexus 7, such a screen is hard to resist and the design is lovely

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/
[One (M7) General] MrKaon:
New Nexus 7 review is out by Engadget

massive GPU score improvement over Tegra 3.

Nexus 7 (2013)	Nexus 7 (2012)
Quadrant 2.0	6,133	3,710
Vellamo 2.0	1,597	1,401
AnTuTu 3.2	19,755	11,679
SunSpider 1.0 (ms)	602	891
GLBenchmark Egypt 2.5 HD Offscreen (fps)	40	9.6
CF-Bench	15,366	11,679

SunSpider: lower scores are better. Both devices were tested on Android 4.3.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yup same score as the HTC One, 4x T3

but this is not necessarily real though, Ripetide 2 runs fairly smooth on the T3 with the same effects enabled [MENTION=3621271]720p[/MENTION]

games made specifically for T3 makes better use of it's shader cores than general apps (since they are not unified)
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
alot of people who bought may onwards' batches have this issue.

no idea what caused it

the tint doesnt simply "show up"

it has a pattern to it. first it starts out pitch black, then slowly accumulates all the pink and purple, then flickers between red and blue then go all purple and stays that way. when i point the cam at a light source, the tint goes away, and upon pointing it back to a pitch black spot, it accumulates again
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
and on stock kernel?
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
it's the same
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
sh$t :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] shiningarmor:
thinking of sending it back. but it's way passed my 14 days one to one exchange.

if im not wrong, hardware issues allow us to get 1 to 1 exchange regardless of the day limits right?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
The verge at it, again

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/29/4563392/htc-one-mini-review
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
What? Slating sense for all its worth and being all #HOLOYOLO. And them hating the camera.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
all of it

I can accept the debate about the camera (although family shooters will not agree) but the UI bashing is unacceptable in the age of sense 5 and worst of all that he would trade the boomsound for more battery which is utter BS, he makes it sound as if those speakers are just marketing

looks like he wants a simple nexus so why did he accept to review this device?
[One (M7) General] ste1164:
Vlad doesn't really like any android device. He uses an iPhone most of the time.
[One (M7) General] gustav30:
Hey Hamdir, I thought you really liked the camera? Early on it seemed you were the only one defending it when everyone was comparing it to Lumias and the S4.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
the camera has its many ups but we can't deny its shortcomings as well, mainly the dynamic range in daylight is it's weakest side

but this camera has enabled me to finally take photos in low light and in door without a care, not to mention the brisk shutter speed for moving targets which is basically a critical need for smartphone photo taking

so this is what i meant, i can understand those who like lush pixel dense photos will not like this camera but the rest of the review is clearly negative for the sake of it

when most publications no longer condemns custom UIs without a good a reason, and most actually appreciate Sense 5, the verge is starting to sound like a broken old record
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
still at it, but belongs here non the less

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/30/4570490/htc-q3-2013-guidance-first-loss-on-record
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Ofcourse a better title of the same story here

HTC profits rise fractionally in Q2 2013 thanks to HTC One sales, but predicts losses for Q3
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
it's always better to judge for yourselves ofcourse

http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-07-30-htc-reports-2013-second-quarter-results/
[One (M7) General] jesr:
Nevertheless the ONE is selling better than last year's hero products and we also have good news from China presence. It's important to get a foothold in the premium tier for chinese market.

http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-07-30-htc-reports-2013-second-quarter-results/

Let's see how this decision o going mid range pays off.

EDIT: yeah hamdir was just reading the report. Source is always better;) I can see HTC doing good in Q4 not because of mid rangers but because it will have another premium device (ONE Max) for holiday season.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
yea the predicted loss is most likely to swallow expected costs

but we will have to see if it becomes a trend
[One (M7) General] skr_xd:
OT

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-revolutionize-computer-chip-heat-dissipation
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Engadget's smartphone buyer's guide: summer 2013 edition
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Engadget's HTC One Mini review (they got the GFX bench VS scores completely mixed up)

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/30/htc-one-mini-review/
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/30/us-htc-guidance-idUSBRE96T0B920130730

http://focustaiwan.tw/search/201307300029.aspx?q=htc
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Anandtech: Looking at CPU/GPU Benchmark Optimizations in Galaxy S 4
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt (1080p off-screen)

Higher is better

Sort by LabelSort by Value

Galaxy Note 3 (?) 67.9

Sony Honami 58.5 ---> S800

Samsung Galaxy S4 (Octa )43

Samsung Galaxy S4 (S600) 41

HTC One 37

Samsung Galaxy S4 GPE 33

HTC One GPE 41

GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex (1080p off-screen)

Higher is better

Sort by LabelSort by Value

Galaxy Note 3 (?) 25.9

Sony Honami 20.5

Samsung Galaxy S4 (S600) 17.1

Samsung Galaxy S4 (Octa) 17.1

Apple iPad 4 16.8

Samsung Galaxy S4 Active 16

Samsung Galaxy S4 GPE 15

HTC One GPE 13.9

Why does the the One (GPE) score so low on the T-Rex test while it scores the same as the S4 S600 on the Egypt test? Also the S800 doesn't seem to have a big of an advantage on this test. It could be due to pre release software hindering the real power of the GPU though..

Edit: Found the "leaked" results for a supposed Note 3..

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Samsung+SM-N900+Galaxy+Note+III&testgroup=overall
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=4263577]vcrp94[/MENTION]

these scores are weird

on the 4.2.2 2.24 software the HTC One scores 41fps in Egypt offscreen and 15fps in Trex, same for the GE, anything lower could be older drivers, throttling or a bad run

with GPU450 the scores become 46fps and 17fps

as for the Honami score it could be anything, drivers or throttling for example

actually the Honami is scoring lower in both Trex and Egypt

the SGS4 s800 also scores the same as NIII

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Samsung+SHV-E330S+Galaxy+S4

but the Xperia Z Ultra is scoring lower than the Samsungs and Honami is the lowest here

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Sony+C6802+Xperia+Z+Ultra

Curios that all these Adreno 330 results suddenly appeared!

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
This will make a lot happy

The legendary Cotulla is considering the HTC One

be sure to reassure him!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=44109667#post44109667
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Actually we finally have a look at the S800 Adreno GL drivers!

Vega IM-A880S

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@41.0 AU@04.02.02.050.082 (CL@3720975) (4.2.2)

Note 3

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@45.0 AU@ (CL@3926332) (4.3)

Xperia Z Ultra

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@43.0 AU@04.02.02.050.095 (CL@3783844) (4.2.2)

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@45.0 AU@04.02.02.050.119 (CL@3849556) (4.3)

versus our latest drivers

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3449569) (4.2.2)

I am still betting a lot of the boost on Adreno 330 is due to the drivers, so i cant wait to these drivers tested on Adreno 320
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
It could be really bad throttling for it to have such "bad" results compared to the S4 A and the Note 3, do you know if the Xperia Z has a downclocked GPU? It could be the combination of throttling and the downclocking, the phone could be have been used for a review of some sort and someone was putting it through hell. Or simply doing the benchmarks while charging, playing NFS MW on my One while charging exhibits very obvious signs of throttling.

Could you enlighten me on who he is? What kind of work has he done to the Android community? :D

Do you think you can flash them on our Adreno 320 the same way you did with the Adreno 320 drivers when they come out? Or will it require reverse enginering?
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
so lets compare

Samsung GT-I9505 Galaxy S4

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@14.0 AU@ (CL@3478307) Adreno 320 450mhz (4.3)

Trex: 17.2fps offscreen

Trex: 17.0fps onscreen

Egypt: 43.9fps offscreen

Egypt: 42.6fps onscreen

Vs

Vega IM-A880S

OpenGL ES 2.0 V@41.0 AU@04.02.02.050.082 (CL@3720975) Adreno 330 (4.2.2)

Trex: 21.6fps offscreen

Trex: 21fps onscreen

Egypt: 55.6fps offscreen

Egypt: 47.8 onscreen

VS

Note 3

OpenGL ES 3.0 V@45.0 AU@ (CL@3926332) Adreno 330 (4.3)

Trex: 25.9fps offscreen

Trex: 26.1fps onscreen

Egypt: 67.9fps offscreen

Egypt: 54.6fps onscreen

So v41 drivers are quiet close to Adreno 320 full speed, I am really warming up to the drivers idea :laugh:

Well qualcomm posts their MDP drivers (later) which usually work (with some errors)

so yes we can flash but we have to be on the same OS base, so if i had access to those vega drivers for example
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Yes it can be anything, but you can see such different results from different drivers, v41 N3 socres 19fps while v45 scores 25.9fps

Cotulla is responsible for the HD2 wonder works on the bootloader which allowed Android to be flashed

like i said i flashed MDP v6 4.2.2 drivers from qualcomm and they worked but i falshed 4.3 v14 drivers and they failed, so i guess it's OS based

there are some 4.2.2 a330 devices in the list so we can hunt them :)
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
I really hope you are right, as that would render the Adreno 330 a marginal update to the Adreno 320 users! :D
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
[YOUTUBE]aOeaTql5yGM[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2XL3no6iCY

Just watched this video and the guy said it supports 'USB On the Go'.. Guess that will help remove some of the issues people have with no SD Card slot, granted it's not entirely the same but still :)
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
Interesting. If this is the case then I might just purchase a new HTC Device H2 if this has a 5.5 inch display :)

Thanks mate!
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
whats up with you guys and 5.5?

the best thing is that HTC stayed at 4.7

they clearly did not want their phone to be lost in the sea of 1080p, 5inch, 13MP devices

4.7" will also appeal better to iPhone switches and socially is still a lot more acceptable than battleship sized phone n your hand all the time

in fact its clear to me the HTC One is aimed to take a bite from the iPhone buyers itching to jump to Android

having tried the butterfly i can confirm two facts: yes a bigger screen is nicer BUT its too huge, with the One X you can still manage with one hand operation, impossible on the butterfly
[One (M7) General] иicку™:
Sorry i think i didn't made myself clear enough. What i wanted to get out is isn't it strange to have a price difference between the two top models Xperia Z and One when they're sharing similar specs.

Of course i understand that it's up to the manufacturer to put the price tag on but still, maybe i react because this is the phone i want and not the cheaper Nexus 4 i.e.
[One (M7) General] gelo01:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

And an awesome wallpaper. :cool:
[One (M7) General] skr_xd:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Gaming, using office appications like excel, autocad, all are better in bigger screens.

Especially, with pen. Personally waiting for a HTC device with probably s800 or T4.

Finally, its matter of personal preference.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
As discussed in other threads, my problem is that on a screen that small there's very little point in having 1080p resolution. Just 11 inches away from your eyes, there is no visible difference between 720p and 1080p on a 4.7" screen.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
more info about Adreno 320, man there isn't much around, qualcomm should really open up more
[One (M7) General] stesa:
100% agree. i'm in love with my "little" xiaomi mi2 and already a bit worried for the larger One.

I had a note2 and really apreciated that device but after a week was tired by its dimensions.
[One (M7) General] mohsinraza:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING IN HTC ONE

HTC has captured a lot of market I guess! What do you think?

Sent from my HTC One X
[One (M7) General] rkial:
Was happy when I heard that... but then he followed up by saying it had Qualcomm S4 Pro processor.
[One (M7) General] Wh1techapel:
Quick question, I keep seeing different stories regarding 4G/LTE, The UK version which people are pre-ordering with 32gb memory, is this 4G/LTE or not??

Thanks, and if this has been asked already which I', sure it would have been...sorry!
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
Well, on the Phones 4U site it mentions "LTE Technology", so I'm hoping so.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
HTC Zoe Share comes to life as first Zoe highlights are shared among friends

check the ZOE share samples:

https://zoeshare.htc.com/oSZXxATc1

https://zoeshare.htc.com/Mpr3JtzF1

https://zoeshare.htc.com/U5Xr1Ybt1

https://zoeshare.htc.com/k3WrezAr1

https://zoeshare.htc.com/HyCZaLSi1

https://zoeshare.htc.com/eGWadNWc1
[One (M7) General] MrKaon:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

it supports 1.8GHz 4G frequency. but I think not 800MHz and 2.6 GHz.
[One (M7) General] Eggcake:
Somehow I got really bad sound on the Zoe Shares (some clicking in the background which I don't think is intended). And the video is too big, they should shrink it - at that size, it doesn't look that great :>
[One (M7) General] daleski75:
I cant see why any mid to high end 2013 phone wont have LTE/4G as standard from now on and EE are selling it soon so cannot see why the sim free version would be restricted to 3G only.
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

Link not working

Sent from my DHD
[One (M7) General] fernando sor:
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread

I have the dna and the 600 is showing 40 to 50 increase over the dna in numerous benchmarks. That's more than just enhancements.
[One (M7) General] hamdir:
Head Of HTC UK Says That There Will Be Just “One” Flagship This Year
[One (M7) General] shree.cse:
He was the reason behind hd2 running Android, he and his team developed a custom bootloader which made the device to dual boot as well. All thanks to Cotulla and DFT team.
[One (M7) General] vcrp94:
Dual Boot would be a dream on the HTC One, the closest we got is Modaco.Switch but unfortunately it only works with stock ROMs for now would love custom ROMs dual boot.
[One (M7) General] CLARiiON:
In the GLbenchamrk database, what does

android.os.Build.VERSION.RELEASE

imply?

For N3/S4, it lists both 4.2.2 and also 4.3.

Why do you think there is such a large difference in 2.5 Egypt onscreen/offscreen results when the resolution is FHD?