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[One (M7) General] Red5:
Ill be getting one for sure. :cool:
[One (M7) General] RCJ89:
start the call - hmm did that

launch multiview - hmm did that

pull up the video genius - hmm did that, Galaxy note 2 says no! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yVORMlf7xw&feature=youtu.be

Clearly something must be getting under your skin, as I don't see why you needed to be so rude when you are the one who first quoted my post saying you think my view is skewed about the note 2 not being able to do such things and I said i tried and it didn't work and furthermore I never said the note 2 was crap i said the HTC is better for my needs. Now I showed you video evidence of what I am talking about, instead of you being mature and saying try xyz, no instead you throw your toys out the pram, insult me sarcastically calling me genious, tell me I clearly don't know how to use a note 2 and I call me ignorant (rolls eyes).

Regarding who needs those features anyway - I clearly stated before that not everyone has these specific needs.

So I don't know why your telling your telling me those features don't matter to you and Barry, I couldn't care less as I never asked you if they did or tell you or anyone that these features matter to them.

Would hate to see you work in a public environment like I do where you get asked a serious amount of stupid questions then for 8.30hours a day at a train station.
[One (M7) General] gelo01:
@pierrekid

This thread is not about how the Note 2 can have more functionalities and features than the One so why brag about it? Actually, i think people here doesn't give a damn about the Note 2, so let's just focus on the topic here. I am no moderator here, but i think you should've just stayed in the Note 2 forums and ask the community there like, "Do you guys it's worth upgrading from a Note 2 to the HTC One?", but definitely not here, because for me, and i guess, the majority of us reading this thread, really don't give a damn about the Note 2, let alone samsung.
[One (M7) General] RCJ89:
^^^^ this
[One (M7) General] superchilpil:
Agreed
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
for me this is a good news http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-no-one-branded-smartphones-year-162196/
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
There are some relevant comparisons between the two devices (and others) for people who are agnostic (vs. HTC-blind). Like the differences in functionality between Sense 4+ and Sense 5 and Sense 5 and today's TouchWiz. And I'd bet even more functions will be added to TW for the SGS4 making the features divide with Sense even greater. For those that don't care about Sense's functional deficit it isn't a big deal. Same thing for those that are either "pro-anything-HTC" or "anti-anything-Samsung." But since the thread's title is "Do you guys think it's worth buying the HTC One?" discussing features of both the One and other phones seems like a healthy part of the discussion. How can you have a discussion about "buying" any specific thing if you're not allowed to make any comparisons to other choices?

I helped drive the thread sideways because R89SONY's comments about needing video/music while in-call and identifying the lack of it as a big functional deficit seemed sort of strange to me (it still does ;) ). So sorry I sidetracked the thread and took it to a bad place.

Here's a discussion of Sense 5 from the DNA forum; they've been playing with a leak. I'm not sure how final the version their using is compared to the production mules but it discusses the differences they've identified so far.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2110735
[One (M7) General] pierrekid:
^^^^^this
[One (M7) General] -]Megacharge[-:
Why does it seem strange?

R89SONY's reason's are reasonable considering his time spent on the phone during his average day part of his job etc. Pierrekid bragged that his phone does those things, as a reason why the Note II is a better buy than the One.. R89SONY who owns the exact same phone said it doesn't (without some kind of rooting involved at the very least). Pierrekid insulted R89SONY told him and told him he is wrong and doesn't know how to use his own phone. R89SONY posted a video proving his side of things. Pierrekid got mad and responded with more insults and maintains he still doesn't know how to use his own phone...

Obviously we all know about the Note II we see commercials about it on TV relentlessly and it's a nice device, but most of us in here are not concerned with it, and really don't give a flying funk about it.. Turning a thread that's about the HTC One itself being worth buying, into a Samsung attention getting circus act, is getting a bit old.
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
+1 I'm sick of such posts. Maybe the mods clean this thread a bit

Sent from my DHD
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
lol Pierrekid is just doing it the steve jobs way. If you don't have any ideas to counteract someone who critics you just say "You're using it wrong!"
[One (M7) General] thegregulator:
Tomatoes is about the last guy here who should preaching how to practice common sense..
[One (M7) General] NiCk.JaY:
LOL, no one is gonna forget Tomatoes8 :p
[One (M7) General] onlinejobwork:
Think! which one most important removable battery and card slot or :

Premium Unibody Metal look

Best in class Speaker sound with duel speaker

Innovative and quality camera for best light

Irda so you can control any device like tv, dvd, home theatre

5th Generation latest Wifi chip for improved wifi

I hope you can get almost everything in Galaxy S4 but not the 'ONE' got

I used S2 and now using S3 16 GB and 16 GB sd card still have 65-70% space lest even after 133 application, 500 songs, few video and other misc stuff like photos, docs, backup etc. if you are using 16 GB or 32 model and you almost run out of space than removable slot is important for you, and about removable battery: I got it in S2 and S3 but I hardly need to replace or remove, because nowadays battery last for about 600 charge and if you charge your phone every 1.5 or two days than you never need to replace it, but actually its most likely that people change their phone not the battery, removable battery is good only for those who want to use particular handset for much longer years like 3-4

For real life example most people buy in 2 year contract so we can assume that they can change the handset every two year but during this time their battery remain ok and they never need to change or replace it

after using most of plastic phone with card slot and removable battery I found there is actually not much or real world advantage of it

Final guide/advice: You can defiantly buy S4 if its metal design like iphone5 or HTC one with at least one or two unique feature like camera etc.

Because HTC one has set new benchmark in terms of design after Iphone5 so I will hardly/never buy any plastic phone from now even if it got larger screen, removable battery, card slot, better processor/graphics, 13 mb camera or any damm software based feature which is porting enabled across android devices :good:

I am just try to make things simplify for you, let me know if I am wrong, best of luck, and btw my help metre is very low -:)
[One (M7) General] quarlow:
Couldn't have been more underwhelmed or disappointed with the One announcement. How far in denial is HTC? Did they realize they left Egypt, and entered Sudan? They just don't get it. How many tough quarters will it take for them to get their head back in the game?

Blinkfeed would make using a third party launcher a must.

Zoe is just silly, did they forget you can already shoot video?

1080p vs 720p still hasn't sold me to any actual discernable difference at a sub 5" size. But those extra pixels will take more battery to run.

Sense 5 looks nice, and it looks really responsive on the demos, but so did Sense 4...

As long as we are talking software, the One has very little chance getting decent support. Blame AT&T all you want, but they aren't the ones that promised updates. And Samsung manages to update their devices on AT&T just fine.

Why go down to 2 buttons? Android still needs a menu button, that bar popping up all the time is super annoying. If you want to get rid of the multi task or menu key, just go all the way and go on-screen with the keys.

Still skeptical about a metal frame. We all know about antennagate, and the iPhone wasn't fully metal on the back. It may turn out okay, time will tell.

Honestly, yes, the One looks darn sexy. Great looking hardware. But if they are built to the low quality standards the One X was, they won't last long. Say what you want about Samsungs cheap plastic, but they last a lot longer, and take far more abuse than HTC hardware. At the end of the day I care more about my phone lasting, than having to get a replacement every month for a different hardware issue. Even if that hardware looks nicer. Function over form every time. (That's what I like TouchWiz better than any skin, including CM/AOKP)

Then the whole aspect of the locked bootloaders, S-Off, potential for warranty denial, and other extra hoops to get custom firmware to try to mitigate some of the terrible performance it's destined to have, bothers me. Versus it being so easy on a Samsung device a cave man could do it. The One X was going to have such an amazing dev scene, but I blinked so I missed it.

My time with the One X vs my past with Samsung devices could be summed up with this analogy: HTC is a blind date, you never know what your are going to get, this time she is pretty, but every minute you spend with her she gets more obnoxious. Samsung is the girl next door, often passed over for the "prettier" girl, but the more you get to know her the more beautiful she is. If somehow my Note II is pryed from my cold dead hands it won't be for the One.

Sent from my Note ][
[One (M7) General] vizzy:
So to sum up. No, you do not think its worth buying.
[One (M7) General] deegaf:
My decision to upgrade depends on my usage pattern. I use my phone for camera > music > text > browsing and currently, my Nexus4's mediocre camera, limited storage, back speaker are not fulfilling my needs. I'm looking forward to the better screen, the front-facing speaker, the ultrapixel camera (I've seen sample shots, they're quite amazing), and bigger battery. Not to mention the unibody aluminum design will match my Macbook Pro perfectly. :cool:
[One (M7) General] Basil3:
I agree with you about the whole s-off thing, but regarding the dev scene, I couldn't disagree more.

The thing I miss the most after switching from htc to Samsung is the development. Not one rom on Samsung comes close to ViperX one the one x. So many tweaks built in its unbelievable. On Samsung the closest you'll get is by installing something like simplistic framework and simplistic controls.

On top of that, skinning/themeing on htc sense in a different league to TouchWiz, imho.
[One (M7) General] quarlow:
I had a whole Samsung/HTC holy war response typed, but I don't want to go there. This thread is a great example of any HTC forum's ability to tolerate criticism of the almighty HTC (spoiler: it can't).

I think if you look closely at the S II, or III forums you will see how history disagrees with your assessment. Different leagues for sure. Jkay on the S II was far more useful to me than the Viper tweaks.

I've said my peace, the One is too little too late for me. Maybe the Two...

The nice thing is that you are not forced to use a phone you don't like.

Sent from my Note ][
[One (M7) General] daleski75:
I have heard the screen is amazing and cannot wait to see it in real life and very good point never realised it would be a perfect match for the macbook pro just hope it doesn't have the same flaws as the iPhone 5
[One (M7) General] Ddot196:
I don't know....I've dropped my one x numerous times on to all kinds of surfaces and heights. Yes it has nicks and dents and scratches all over the case but it still works like a charm. Thing is a beast. It literally has dents near the headset jack from the time I dropped it from a 10 foot ladder onto concrete. Dink dink dink all the way down lol. Dusted it off and it was good to go. No case either mind you.
[One (M7) General] MohinderJaBardi:
I really want the ONE but I have to wait and see what Samsung has to show me first...

The pain of the waiting game....
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
It's fascinating to see people defend a phone (the One) that no one's used yet. There haven't even been any full reviews by the media or any standardized testing by the likes of GSMArena or Anandtech to measure the performance of the display, audio, camera, voice, GPS, Wi-Fi, and BT. The One could literally be the Holy Grail of smartphones or end up not living up to HTC's marketing hype. Falling in love with specs and PR is dangerous as is making a purchase based on them. The Teg3 One X launch was a mess while the DNA/Butterfly seemed better. It's way too early to consider the One a "slam dunk" until it's been thoroughly reviewed and been in people's hands for a bit to get real world feedback. The same applies to the SGS4 when its specs and PR come out on the 14th.
[One (M7) General] Maedhros:
I agree... but if you don't get excited hearing about the Octa and the possibility of bg mp... well I duno what to say. I drool just thinking about it :)
[One (M7) General] joelteixeira:
I have to agree, but at the same time... Man I'm so tired of AMOLED (using galaxy nexus now and used a sgs2 before). The color saturation is terrible even adjusting on CM10 tools or Franco kernel. I recently bought a Xperia S for my wife and when comparing both (screens) I feel very unfortunate. ;)

Tapatalked from my GNex
[One (M7) General] riz157:
No phone is worth £500 but HTC one looks and sounds fantastic and will be probably for about 6 months.
[One (M7) General] joelteixeira:
There's no guarantee that exynos octa will be better than snapdragon 600. More cores doesn't mean always better performance. We need some tests to be sure.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[One (M7) General] Goku80:
i have to agree on that..Jkay on the S2 is more legendary to whatever the viper team cook up..sorry but it is true

and if you want a rom similar to viper just download checkrom which has LeoMars kitchen and you can have any tweak your heart desires on top of the jkay stuff
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
It's pretty clear a lot of people haven't taken the time to understand what Octa represents. It has nothing to do with Samsung or Exynos which are just a manufacturer and a brand respectively. It's the first commercial release of ARM's (which all Qualcomm chips are derived from) next generation big.LITTLE architecture. An architecture that, at some point in the future, Qualcomm's chips will migrate to. Since Qualcomm is dependent on ARM for its designs, one could speculate ARM's newer designs will be better than their historical ones at both efficiency and performance. Otherwise, what’s the point of evolving design? Octa should easily match S-600 and more than likely be closer to S-800 while being more power efficient in the process.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=38637411&postcount=97
[One (M7) General] omersak:
Also, quad Cortex-A15's.
[One (M7) General] reddragon72:
The octa is simply a an A15 quad core merged with an A7 quad core. The A7 does most menial tasks and the A15 kicks in when you start recording video, playing games, editing video and so forth. The issue here is what determines which CPU the app should use. This is a big question going on right now.

Also both quad cores will not be used at the same time, it is one or the other. Sammy mentioned that in a question session. This was due to battery life/heat and unit heat. Kinda like Tegra's extra core, it handles the little things when the screen is off but once the screen is on it hands everything over to the main quad core.

You simply cannot run 8 cores in a phone on today batteries for battery life and battery heat, you will simply kill a battery or blow it up.
[One (M7) General] Shasarak:
I agree... but the latest rumours suggest that the S4 will have a SoLux LCD screen - exactly like the display on the One, but 5" rather than 4.7.
[One (M7) General] joelteixeira:
Like I said before, we need tests. I could list N comparisons between devices with less CPU cores and better performance but I don't think is needed.

I read reviews, saw benchmarks and user opinions about snapdragon 600. We have nothing from new exynos chip. Let's wait and see.

Tapatalked from my GNex

---------- Post added at 12:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 AM ----------

I hope so much that you are right. The unofficial preliminary specifications on gsmarena (based on rumors) still pointing to AMOLED.

Tapatalked from my GNex
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
Not really. Apps and the UI communicate with CCI-400 which manages load and can use from 1-8 cores. To your point, it's doubtful with today's battery tech that all 8 cores would be invoked at the same time. But four pure A15's running under max load shouldn't be any less efficient than Qualcomm's hybrid-A15's running the same way and there's no reason to think they shouldn't perform as well or possibly better with bigger pipes and increased memory b/w. As for the rumors about heat, battery life, and performance issues I'm sure trying to optimize big.LITTLE, especially in its first implementation, is going to be a bear. But it's not like ARM/Samsung landed where they have design-wise based on a dart board toss and both have more than ample resources to finalize an optimal configuration before release. But with as much that's new I could easily see the release potentially slipping.

And don't forget that Octa drops Mali and is using a PowerVR SGX 544MP3 GPU which should deliver performance closer to Adreno 330 in the S-800 than Adreno 225 in the S-600.

The central tenet of big.LITTLE is that the processors are architecturally identical. Both Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7 implement the full ARMv7A architecture including Virtualization and Large Physical Address Extensions. Accordingly all instructions will execute in an architecturally consistent way on both Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7, albeit with different performances. The implementation defined feature set of Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7 is also similar. Both processors can be configured to have between one and four cores and both integrate a level-2 cache inside the processing cluster. Additionally,

each processor implements a single AMBA® 4 coherent interface that can be connected to a coherent interconnect such as CoreLink CCI-400

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[One (M7) General] Goku80:
see the problem is why would i want to go and spend £500 on a phone ( i mean a freaking phone) when i can go on a holiday with that money and probably get laid as well..:D plus knowing HTC it will probably be a flagship for a year and then another phone comes out worth the same money..nope i rather keep my money thanks..and the same goes for Sammy or any other phone....Now tablet that is a different matter that is worth spending the five hundred though
[One (M7) General] vizzy:
Yeah, this will only be flagship for 12 months. HTC stated this yday.
[One (M7) General] Goku80:
they said the same thing for the One X and look what happened....bah i dont know...wait a few months the price will be down anyway...so wait for development to pick up and see what the S4 has to offer and take it from there
[One (M7) General] Riyal:
Yeah indeed but isn't it more fascinating to see people migrate to different forums(Xperia Z & HTC One) just to boast and defend their unannounced/yet to be launched SGS4? Official specs wasn't even released yet but people now keep telling us SGS4 will be far more superior than the One.

This octa core really intrigues me all the time. It is said that it has 4 A15 and 4 A7 processors swapping each other depending on the load right? And the main reason why there's A7 processor there is to save power? And A15 processors are power hungry processors so they are paired with these A7 ones right?

Ok my question is... What if we like do some continous videoplayback/play games nonstop/use our phones to call/music playback on SGS4? Won't it use the A15 cores non stop? So by doing these won't the A7 core be pretty much useless instead since probably it will be only utilized on standby mode and simple touchwiz interaction? Won't this drain battery so much since the whole point of battery saving of the octacore won't be utilized?

If this is the case then this octacore thing is just pure BS. A7 cores(the power saver cores) on this just end up being used on low load processing which is rarely happening on smartphones.

You put the display on the A15 kicks in, you open apps and games then 80% of the time A15 kicks in. Now tell me guys how does this save power? I would prolly say you'll save power if only you put your phone as a shiny brick on your table.
[One (M7) General] kalo88:
I guess you really don't want the ONE then do ya ;)
[One (M7) General] riz157:
I know what you mean I Rather spend my cash on my loved ones. Will probably get One but on upgrade this month, if it's worth it. S4 don't have any high expections because if it's plastic then it's crap regardless what is inside it.

Boy's at Sammy better learn from HTC, how to make a device look good, give it a quality finish. People will eventually get fed up of paying top dollor for plastic. Apple have realised bit late, their loyal customers have had enough of their same old phone just diferent packaging. It's going to take some real innovation by Apple to win back their customers.

So sammy learn from apples mistakes and start using less plastic, spend more on build quality you cheap skates
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what they said in 2012...

The One series and the new version of Sense are, together, HTC's attempt to get back on course. It has pared down the number of products it will be pushing in 2012, simplifying its product line along with much of the rest of the industry. Cutting the product line down to just a few phones is a bold move when many other manufacturers are churning out new products as quickly as there are new specs to support them, but it's probably the right one for a company that's both smaller than its competitors and at a disadvantage when it comes to securing massive numbers of components.​

http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/6/2849231/htc-sense-4-one-x-drew-bamford/in/2590365

Here's what CNet Asia said about the One's "flagship" status...

Not helping HTC's cause is the frequency HTC introduces "flagship" devices. Starting from the Sensation series in mid-late 2011, the company has introduced the One series (One X/One S/One V) in mid 2012 and the HTC Butterfly in Q4 2012. With the introduction of HTC One now, it seems the top-end HTC device will not carry the flagship status for more than two quarters. Contrast that with the life cycle of similar flagship devices from Samsung and Apple--Galaxy S3 and iPhone 5 users would probably enjoy carrying the latest and greatest from their chosen brand for three quarters to a year before thinking about upgrading. ​

http://asia.cnet.com/how-long-will-the-htc-one-remain-a-flagship-62220612.htm

The One X, especially the XL, didn't sell so the One X+ was announced six months later. And then two months after that the DNA/Butterfly. They'll do what they need to do to sell phones and if that means a One+ six months from now then there will be a One+. And do you honestly think they'd say "we're looking at additional flagship devices for later in the year" at the launch of their current one? I'm in marketing. Don't always believe what you hear as what was said yesterday can easily be spun in to something else based on "responding to our customer's needs." If you like the One, buy it. But HTC's longevity record is spotty no matter what current press comments may indicate to the contrary. Ask a DNA/Butterfly owner. ;)
[One (M7) General] matheus_sc:
I Dont think a exynos 5 Will be more powerful than snapdragon 600,maybe can be 10% But there a touchwiz, much much blootware is include.
[One (M7) General] Goku80:
bah never in a million years...sense has and will always be more bloated than TW...Sense is ten times better in looks and functionality but do not disregard how lite and good features TW also has though