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[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
Hmm. Perhaps I spoke too soon, that's a pretty radically different opinion. Now I'm uncertain. :-\
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
Wow. That's pretty shocking - I can't imagine the color making that much of a difference.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
Me either, and I can't imagine production volume being high enough that they would have multiple production lines with different tolerances, either.

It's bewildering, and I really don't know what to believe.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
I was really just starting to fall in love with mine and just last night decided to keep it. Just a reminder - these things lok identical, but I did get mine from Minisuit and is not Amazon. I don't think it makes any difference, but just wanted to point that out.

I can tip mine pretty far back without it falling out:

IMG_20130409_134013

And the case is definitely too wide on the sides by about 2mm, hence the side to side motion along the clips. But there is no room on mine between the clips (top to bottom) - it doesn't move at all up and down and holds my tablet in there firmly.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] drewgillesp:
Just so everyone knows, there are FOUR (that I've seen anyways) different companies that make this keyboard on amazon, this may account for some of the quality differences that we're encountering.

The four are:

Exact

IVSO

VSTN

Minisuit

as we've seen from one reviewer, the minisuit is pretty good, while another (can't say which brand, he didn't state) had quite a different experience.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rxnelson:
Looks like a its been photoshopped. J/k....doesn't someone always say that? :D. Looks pretty solid in there but I think you said a little wiggle using the touchscreen?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
I *highly* doubt there are even two different companies making it. More than likely, all four companies are buying it in from the same supplier (some Chinese company you'll never have heard of), and that supplier merely screen-prints a different logo on the case, sticks it in a different cardboard box, and that's it.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Da Vikster:
Guys, sorry to ask if it's already been mentioned, but where do you get these keyboard docks from if you're in the UK? I couldn't find it on the amazon page... :(
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
Agreed. Mine does have a minisuit logo on it, but the packaging and keyboard all seem identical. I would guess there are at least four distributors, but very likely one manufacturer.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
One more question: If you have Splashtop and a Windows desktop, can you please confirm if typical key-combos like Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-V, Alt-Tab, Ctrl-Tab and the function keys are transmitted correctly to the remote PC, intercepted by the tablet, or simply do nothing?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
LOL. I'm not trying to sell these and I have no interest in doing so. I'm just providing my use feedback....

But I want t be clear, it does not snap in, there's no latch, etc. It simply rests in the open slot and there is an inherent danger in using this case as there is with any case. There is definitely give in the slot when the tablet is resting in there. Having give however, is not the same as falling out. And tipping it back and looking solid in a photo does not mean that it didn't give a little when I tipped it back. I was simply showing that mine is not falling out.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rxnelson:
Yea by solid I meant it looks like it would take a fall or some rough treatment to come out vs. general use. Is that a fair statement?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
Absolutely. I'm on day 3 about 20 hours of use (combined tabletop, on my lap and in my bed) and it has not fallen out of the slot once, nor has it come out of the case when it's closed.

One key has stuck once, and I've discovered that I use my right thumb to hit the space bar much more often than I thought, so that clip by the space bar definitely gets in the way, thus I'm adjusting my space thumb to left. But for $30, I'm happy with it.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rxnelson:
Thanks for all the info, had the original TF and the KB just takes usability to a new high IMHO.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Dallasalien:
OK, here's the pictures. You can see that the single tab on the top end of the keyboard just barely touches the tablet so it falls out if you try to use it as a case. Sorry if it's not clear the distances here are very small and hard to capture. The tabs aren't bent the keyboard itself is larger than the tablet in all directions.

In the other picture I tried to show how the plastic bezel around the screen is the only thing holding it in. If I tip it back at all it falls out.

I agree with the other posts, there is significant side to side play if it's in the case position.

The reviews on amazon aren't favorable either (one is mine):

http://www.amazon.com/VSTN%C2%AE-Aluminum-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Cover/product-reviews/B00BP4QGTY/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Dallasalien:
On the plus side I noticed when I was putting it in and out of the case position that the magnetic on off switch works.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
Dallas, I'm wondering: You seem to be the only person with issues of fit. Two of the three other reviews say it protects the screen well, which it could hardly do if it didn't fit. (The third doesn't say either way.)

Could the tabs on your dock perhaps be bent? Is it plastic or metal, and how much do they flex?

Also, has anybody had a chance to try Splashtop per my earlier post?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] devilson-13:
do a search also on ebay. I saw some UK sellers there, but is a little more expensive.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Adding to what Knox just said, I think I remember vansmack saying it could fit upside down. You probably already checked that, but that question has been nagging me. I already ordered one and I would be very disappointed if it didn't fit.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Dallasalien:
No it's hard to see in the picture but the surface of the keyboard is wider than the nexus. Ignoring the tabs, there's a raised lip almost all the way around the edge of the keyboard the tablet can slide around inside the raised lip in all directions.

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It wont fit in upside down as the top edge is thicker than the bottom, the top edge is too thick to fit under the two clips for the bottom. Plus one of the clips depresses the volume button.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
That's odd. Isn't that different than what vansmack said in post #22?

Quote:

"When closed (and if you put it on the right way), all of the ports remain uncovered, however, the case does look like it might make the POGO plug difficult to use (sorry, I don't have one to test). It is possible to put it on upside down and cover the ports:

IMG_20130406_212920"
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Dallasalien:
OK, here's two better pictures showing the edge/lip all the way around. The tablet is touching the clips at the bottom (but not quite as the lip at the corners stops the tablet from getting close to the lip at the edge. There's about 2mm of space from the edge of the tablet to the lip all the way around the keyboard. The clips come out of the lip and so are too far from the tablet to actually clip on.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
OK, so are you just concerned that the tablet can move inside the lip, or do the tabs not hold it in either? Because I got the impression from your posts that it simply isn't held in -- ie. if you held the dock without touching the tablet and turned it upside down, the tablet would fall straight out. Yet everybody else seems to be saying the opposite...

Edit: Just saw your most recent post, sorry.

Hmm, this is bizarre. Could you have a slightly different design, perhaps? Can you post a full straight-on picture of the front of your keyboard dock with no tablet in it, for comparison to the other one?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Dallasalien:
Attached. As best I can tell it's the same packaging and design, just a different color.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
One other thing I discovered this morning - the cable that comes with the keyboard will not charge the tablet.

Last night I charged the keyboard with the white cable and then plugged it into my tablet and went to bed. Woke up this morning and my tablet had not charged at all. Changed the cable to the Nexus 10 cable and it started charging. I guess I'll be using the Nexus 10 cable exclusively from here on out.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
I just received mine in the mail right now. I've only used it five minutes. This is the first thing I've typed with it. I hope I can get used to the space bar because it's happening just the way vansmack said. Actually, everything is pretty much the way vansmack said (so far) though mine doesn't have the Minisuit logo on it and it's black.

I have another keyboard I paid $60 for, though it's only half that on Amazon right now. I like this keyboard much better (so far).

I didn't read the instructions yet, but I just noticed if you hit ctrl-right arrow it moves one word to the right, and alt-right arrow moves to the end of the row. Alt-up goes to the top. Down to the bottom. They are not labeled on the keyboard.

Mine does fit in the case. The cover does not seem like it will fall off. The Nexus doesn't seem like it will fall out of the tray when you tip it backwards either. I just tipped it 90 degrees and it's still in there.

I have to get used to this keyboard though. So far I keep having to retype letters, and I think it's because I have to press harder on the keys.

If I find anything else out other than what's already posted here, I'll let you know.

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BTW, I ordered it from Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BP4QGTY/

I'm perplexed by the bad reviews on there for this keyboard! I'm not having any of those issues. I'm typing with the tablet in my lap. It feels almost like a laptop but much lighter.

ETA: The keyboard weighs 10.59 oz. by itself. Together they are just under 2 lbs.

The instructions say the keyboard is waterproof. Is this a common feature of bluetooth keyboards?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
You might want to see about getting a replacement. Mine wiggles ever so slightly horizontally (landscape wise) but does not wiggle at all up and down.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Dallasalien:
Yeah contacting the seller for a return today. I have a HP bluetooth keyboard which is much nicer to type on so I'll probably stick with that and the poetic slimline case until more clamshell keyboard options (hopefully) come on the market.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
I'm going with "no way" on that claim. Some keyboards are water resistant, but those usually do not have chiclet keys that, which a number of things can get under (think Surface Touch like keyboards).

For the record, I'm not willing to test that claim out intentionally for the group, but if in the normal course of use I spill something on it, I will let you know the end result. But I'm really hoping that never happens.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
I'm definitely not going to be testing that claim either. I was very surprised when I saw it. Does yours say that as well?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Does anybody know if it's safe to charge the keyboard with the usb adapter that plugs into the wall? Or do I have to plug it into a computer?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
Hello, I just ordered this exact same item, actually through your link but in the thread you have not mentioned anything about your experience. Did you receive it? How do you like it? Can you let me know? Thanks for your time :)
[Nexus 10 Accessories] devilson-13:
I did not receive my product yet. they delayed the expedition with almost a week and made me a refund for transport costs because of that.

so, as soon as a i receive the keyboard, i'll let you known.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Izeltokatl:
Yes, I just got mine on friday. First thing I did was plug it into my wall charger, still works great.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Thanks! Did it give you an indication when it was done charging? I haven't charged mine yet.

Eta: Nevermind. I just read in one of the reviews that the red light goes out when done charging.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] tommytoro:
Hi all,

Just received the black version, I think it feels quite nice in the hand, light but sturdy enough that it doesn't feel like its going to snap. It works quite well as a case, holding the tablet securely although there is a small amount of side to side movement between the clips. The tablet slot works, little wobbly but it doesn't seem likely that it will topple over.

The keys feel okay to type on, but here comes the problem.. four keys on the right hand side don't work! The 0, o, l, and m keys. :thumbdown:
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
Oh no :'( mine says it should be here on Wednesday. Not much confidence. I wish there were more options, seems like the same manufacturer with different company logos branding. Wish me luck.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Has anybody noticed the ink rubbing off their keys? I've only had mine a few nights and my home row is already wearing out. My 'J' key has only a small white dot left on it.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
Oh, dear.

Day by day, the chances of me buying this thing are shrinking rapidly. :-/
[Nexus 10 Accessories] tommytoro:
Mine is the VSTN version. But yes, they all seem to be from the same source. I got mine off Amazon. I've been offered a full refund or a replacement both without having to send the broken one back. Not sure what option I am going to take!

Its strange the keys all press down fine but nothing is registered, almost as if just one column of keys has broke?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
Sounds like the perfect guinea pig to take it apart and see what's inside it. Perhaps you can even figure out who actually makes it....
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
That is such a shame. I LOVE having the option of a keyboard AND having double as a case is just perfect form mobility wise. Im actually coming from the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 and have the Logitech Bluetooth keyboard case and it is just perfect, except it will have the occasional stuck keyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy <- and that happens but all around very very good quality build. This is what I want to my Nexus 10 :(

Any one find a new keyboard case? Preferably a hard one Im not too fond of the "folding" type. Its making me even more sad that Im looking for a new keyboard case when my brand new keyboard case has not even been delivered yet. Yikes.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
Received my IVSO Slim Bluetooth keyboard today and the first thing I have to remark about is how annoying the center "cover clip/holder" is in the center of the space bar. I keep hitting it and missing the space. Also the tiny right side Shift button will take some getting used to. I know now I will greatly miss my Logitech Bluetooth keyboard :( Also greatly missed will be the dedicated email, web and menu keys :( The IVSO Slim gives you two identical Alt and Ctrl buttons a pair of which are located on the left and right side of the Space bar, Logitech replaces the right side Alt and Ctrl keys with the Home and Back key. The simple act of just long pressing the Home key to bring up the active apps screen is very soarly missed 2X:( The Home key on the IVSO Slim is located in the top left hand corner, sadly long press function of this Home key does nothing. If there are any secret key strokes that accomplish these tasks that I am not seeing/overlooking please, PLEASE fill me in.

The keys are the same chicklet style of the Logitech also the layout is slightly better on the Logitech. The first row of keys (the one with the space bar) on the Logitech is actually about 1.5 times larger than other keys this expands the keyboard length allowing the right side Shift key to be of a more normal size and gives you a bit more of a reach when typing from letters to the numbers bar.

The Clam fit is pretty snug, like others have commented there is a bit of wiggle but nothing that concerns me. THE CENTER COVER/CLIP HOLDER THINGY IS VERY VERY ANNOYING.

I compare this keyboard with the Logitech because I am coming from my Galaxy Tab 10.1 paired with the Logitech Bluetooth keyboard and love them together but I am really enjoying this Nexus 10 and want the same keyboard experience. This keyboard is tolerable and I hope another manufacturer comes along and expanse/improves on this idea.

Hoping the letters and numbers dont start rubbing off as one commenter stated. I will say that I do not get key stroke lockeddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

EDIT: OH NO! NO PORTRAIT STANDING! THIS IS A MAJOR LOSE FOR ME! HOW CAN YOU MAKE A KEYBOARD WITH NO VERTICAL STANDING OPTION, THIS MAKES ME MAJOR SAD :(
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
I have not yet, but I was considering it. There seem to be two ways:

Programming:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1568760

An app that does the programming for you:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apedroid.hwkeyboardhelper

I may try the free demo of the app this weekend as I don't think I'm up for the programming.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
Cool keep us posted. Should I feel adventurous I will keep you updated. Ahhhh its project time.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Can you guys who received their keyboard help me out?

I noticed while typing, letters would sometimes mysteriously repeat. Like this: onlyy, ttest

I've been testing and I don't think my typing is the cause. I tested by typing something I could correctly type without errors over and over again, and I type them carefully. "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country." Approximately once or twice per page of typing, I've noticed a letter doubles up.

I've not only tested this on my tablet, but on my laptop as well.

I don't think my typing is at fault. I don't think the key gets stuck. I don't think it's my tablet. I don't think, but am not positive, if it has to do with the repeat delay being too short. I've tested all these things.

I tested the repeat delay by downloading a program that adjusts the repeat delay. It didn't seem to help. (External keyboard helper PRO).

Please give it a test and let me know your results.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
I think this is just the keyboard I have this happening on my keyboard but not as bad as with my Logitech bluetooth keyboard made for my Galaxy Tab 10.1 which happens a lot and lasts longer than just a couple letters. This is how my Logitech keyboard would acttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt (yes that many sometimes longer but I would press the space key or back key to stop it) So I think it is the keyboard not software or you. Im thinking that maybe adding a small amount of mineral oil with a Qtip might help but do this at your own risk. I have not had issues enough to try this. Yet.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
I am not getting repeated keys when I type, and this is after two weeks of use.

The only problem I'm having is the "Enter" key is sticking beneath the lip at the bottom of the key when I hit it, and it's only partially my fault (I have a habit of dragging my right pinky when use it to type). I've had this problem before with other chiclet keyboards, but not with this consistency.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] vansmack:
One other thing I noticed - when I am streaming Google Music and typing with the keyboard, it makes clicking sounds over the music and can sometimes speed up and slow down the music. Has anyone else noticed this?

It's happening right now as I type this. Super problematic....
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
I am very sad because I think this maybe the only Clamshell Keyboard for the Nexus 10 and there is just too many issues with this. And I'm afraid my letters are also rubbing off. J, K, L, are now more than half the shade of the other keys. :(
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
Well, I guess that confirms it. Even as dirt cheap as this is, I won't be buying it if the keys wear off that quickly.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
I wonder if there's anything we can put on the keys to seal them before they get worse.

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Brie, I didn't see your response before. Are you still noticing it? What is the purpose of the mineral oil, and where were you thinking about applying it?
[Nexus 10 Accessories] knoxploration:
I would suggest everybody who is experiencing the keys wearing off needs to take photos and email them to the seller, and see if they're going to do anything to resolve the problem. If they don't get a response making clear that the manufacturing process will be changed to fix the issue, post the pictures on Amazon, along with a negative review.

Our only hope of having a halfway decent keyboard is if the manufacturer fixes this. They've put a significant investment into tooling for the hardware; changing the screen printing process is likely minor and in their best interest to fix the problem. Hopefully they'll do the right thing!
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Vansmack,

I don't stream Google music so I can't tell you if mine is affected, but I did read one review that seems to be.

http://www.amazon.com/VSTN®-Aluminum-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Cover/dp/B00BP4QGTY/

The three-star review from April 14th.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
I will do this today and keep you posted. Great idea.

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I'm thinking that the mineral oil will help lubricate the plastic moving parts BUT I have not tried this...yet....as I have not having this issue too much. Very little about.

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Also Amazon sells keyboard letter stickers, I'm think of this as an option. I have looked at some of the photos and think that I may have to trim them to fit these smaller keys.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] Valynor:
Do not use mineral oil on the plastic, it may (severely) damage it. The lubricant of choice for standard plastics is usually silicone oil.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] devilson-13:
my keyboard just arrived today. it seems ok, no space between the edges. the tablet does not slip away if I tilt the keyboard.

all the keys are working and I have to get used to it.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] brie987:
Stand corrected, Thanks!!!!
[Nexus 10 Accessories] benjhi:
I got one of these off eBay about a month back. I too liked the design of it.

when it arrived, it felt solid, build quality and key depression felt high quality, however it has major flaws, ending in me sending the damn thing back.

firstly, half the keys didn't work, I don't know if that is down to poor bluetooth or just poor quality keys, but obviously this is a killer - the manufacturer has assured me that this is the first time this has ever come up, and at first, I was willing to try a like for like replacement, until I arrived at the second flaw:

the "dock" groove is so shallow it can't physically support the weight of the tablet. it will just about rest in the groove, but it feels like the edge of the bezel is being ripped off, and the slightest nudge means the nexus falls out of the back of it.

I am desperate for a clamshell keyboard (for portability - having to carry a seperate keyboard is a small, but constant, annoyance.) and on the face this looks perfect. I wouldn't buy another though.
[Nexus 10 Accessories] TSF14:
My N10 is en route, to arrive on Wed. I'm looking at this... http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-Removable-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Function/dp/B00AG0D61O/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
[Nexus 10 Accessories] rrand:
Discontinued.

I had several issues, even after getting a replacement. But when I went back the second time I was told the product has been discontinued. Just thought you all would like to know.