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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Mean Sixteen:
Seems like there are some people in this thread that know what they are doing. So let me ask this here...my phone won't boot up. I have the Verizon gs3 and I flashed an original dinc cm6 rom. Now I know my phone can run cm10.1 so why won't it boot with cm6? Shouldn't the smaller number be easier for my phone to handle?

Please help!!!!!!!

Sorry. Just a smart ass. As for this thread...I feel your pain. I rarely post since most anything I run into I can find answers myself. All while reading past the clogs. Although I will say the xda app search feature sucks. That or I don't know how to use it effectively.

Thanks to all you devs. You have all combined to make my android experience amazing. I have been rooting/flashing since the Dinc and am still learning. Hopefully I never get thought of as a disrespectful douche bag.

Sent through mental telepathy...or my unlocked SGS3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
I do love slickdeals layout, i actually just mentioned it on another forum i post on frequently.

P.S. Yes i'm on 4 or 5 different forums :P

The Rom development will continue and can be found using the Goomanager application, and going to compatible Rom's, then Rootbox. But according to the developer their will be no official thread for it.

Bahahahaha post made my night :)

And @ everybody else, i'm really glad i was not the only one felt this way. I know that there are more people on this forum who are just like us ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] edgeez25:
Wait I can do cm 6 really.... LOL... Trust me brother it's an ongoing mind boggling thing...never understand why people complain about something free... Like daddy always said if you ain't got nothing productive to say shut up dawn mouth lol... Well glad to see you guys didn't lose thus rom...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Real_JESRadio:
You guys do realize there are millions of Android users right now, right? I figured out the proper way, as do others. However the society today is a lazy one. Joe Blow rooted his phone and goes to work n brags about it. Next thing you know all his friends want to do the same. Half of which should still be using flip phones. Speaking of, thank the carriers too. The pushing of smartphones only has also created an influx of not so smart people. I have seen some good answers. But with the addition of Android users daily its to be expected on a public forum. Take it private. Or do the wiki thing. I appreciate the devs and the ppl that try to help. But you gotta remember, all that bragging about Android and how great it is has produced more customers. Which equals more headaches. Be careful what you wish for :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Addiso:
+1 on this since every carrier mostly now has androids as they're stock phones besides like 2 basic phones. There will be alot of people needing help who just jump I to these boards thinking they can jailbreak like an iPhone when it's much harder. There is android everywhere even if it's those bunk gingerbread metropcs phones I see alot lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] m-cat:
Great rant, I love it! You wax eloquently about the issue. I think the ones that read the thread rules and abide should help in the moderation of the thread. I mean that if you see that stuff us posted wrong either A- report it, or B-call the person out and ask them to move. Basically we are "policeing" it to keep it clean.

You find it beneficial twofold. 1. You don't have to wade through other peoples BS, looking for stuff, 2. The Dev spends more time developing and less time policing therefore you have better developed products.

Thoughts from an Amish bartender.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] m-cat:
Example

Exhibit A
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] edgeez25:
LOL your funny... Specially talking about people knowing nothing when u know nothing haha haha..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] SomewhatDeft:
Well, my very first post. Respect to the OP for nudging me over the 'lurker to poster' stage.

It really is a shame that the OP had to start this thread in the first place, and an even greater shame that devs are throwing in the towel on threads due to the laziness and disrespect of a minority of other forum users.

I absolutely love the XDA forums, and I'm pretty much a closet flashaholic, however I too get annoyed at the laziness of the type of user that this thread is referring too. When a user has clearly not taken the time to thoroughly read the OP, or made little effort to use the search function, and post one of these types of question, I feel the users that answers this type of questions are only making matters worse by (indirectly) encouraging this kind of behavior, instead of discouraging it.

I understand that this forum works by people helping others with their knowledge and experience, but maybe using the 'cruel to be kind' mentality we could all encourage this type of user to use the correct forum etiquette, instead of instantly answering their question that has already been answer numerous times in the very same thread that they couldn't be bothered to search, or worst still, not even bothering to read the OP thoroughly before flashing what the dev has to offer.

The OP of this thread should be awarded thread of the week. Thank you for taking the time to raise an issue that bothers even the lurkers of the forum like me.

And finally to any other devs that are considering closing a thread due to this type of 'user', please remember, there are people just like me, who are happily flashing your developments and have a great respect for what you have offered. Please keep up your hard work as it is greatly appreciated, and yes, I am partly to blame for not getting on the forums and posting my support for you are your work.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Addiso:
No offense to you aha I know your running that metro s3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] rip9150:
All good points. First rule of xda should be to use the search. I just signed up for an account but have gotten by for years using the search and research method. I have rooted and modded the **** out of over 10 phones, bricked and unbricked all with just searching for I needed to know. I wanted to share a homescreen , that's what finally made me sign up. lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] SomewhatDeft:
I see a certain thread has been reopened, fantastic, welcome back, flashing now
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] faehsemc:
I am just responding on this thread because I don't want to start a new one and I just need to up my post count.

Sent from my device that other people also have that makes me unique just like on a Dr. Pepper commercial.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] bobloblaw1:
I should have also mentioned that it pays to jump in to browser view from the mobile app to report threads and posts.

If doesn't seem like the mods actively patrol the forum much but they do respond fairly quickly to reports. Instead of complaining in the thread or being silently annoyed let's all try to get in the habit of reporting things that don't belong.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tillithz:
for what its worth some mods dont see a problem unless the OP complains. often times the dev cant be bothered because theres so much muck to wade through. So when users report it only slight moderation if any occurs. the obvious ignorance of the noob user that "it doesnt hurt anyone" to post irrelevant info over and over for multiple pages actually discourages non devs and other users to help. why rreport the issues only to be told no ones complaining so the mod wont do anything. Well because the dev and others willing to help support the thread would rather it follow some sort of rule set. for organizational purposes at the least.

ehhh things could be soooooo great around here instead of just o.k.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Real_JESRadio:
I noticed that too. Good deal.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] edgeez25:
LOL I did a little... Had to check n make sure I wasn't on gingerbread lol... But in all honesty u are right to some extent

.. But I don't think it matters what carrier... Me personally I'm ok cause along the way I've learned how to fix a lot of stuff on my own and ironically just by reading..... So I can run just about any rom and make it look like it's for my phone..

But that's where it gets tricky cause I have coworkers that see my phone and are like wtf why doesn't my phone have that I'm a call Metro... LOL I say go head... I even tried hooking up a couple of people and after I do it I had one guy come back and say where's my metro studio :mad:... I took his phone restored his 4.0.4 backup and said their u go... Now u can get a ring tone... Got so bad I just say now that I went to verizon lol...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] scarygood536:
Most developers don't seem like it. Most act professional. Just a few seem childish. Maybe I would suggest the mod creating a new section devoted to roms and talk about them, while the dev section stays devoted to developing. That way you post 2 threads one for noobs and users the other for bug reporting and developing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
He has a thread dedicated for support already, its in his signature and in the OP of his thread's :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] scarygood536:
I mean site wide. S3 forum would have a section (Android development or Original Development) for the developing and then have a (Android Releases [or ROM] and Original Releases) <- this is where people would go to talk about the rom and say thanks, and users can help each other while the Development stays for the development. Thus cleaning up the developer section and still promoting a happy family of users. Of course it would still take time to train people to use the correct forum much like we already have to.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] XDAholic:
Nope! The first rule of XDA should be " don't talk about XDA"
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] DrkGhst87:
IMO, the easiest way to fix all of this is to create a "Developers Only" section where they can post their work and unless you are a recognized developer the average Joe can't post anything in there. The average Joe will still be able to see everything, just not post anything. No more threads in the wrong section. No more redundant posts in Rom/Kernel/Mod/etc. threads.

I know there is a heavily moderated developers discussion sub-forum but I mean a sub-forum that you essentially need "developer" clearance to even be able to post a thread let alone post a reply in a thread in that section. Where you have to be recognized by a mod, showing authentic work, to become a "recognized" developer. That way the Developer's thread stays clean. Only the information they provide will be there like, initial release, updates, install process, known bugs/issues, faq, link to support thread, etc. could all be on one page.

Then create a sub-forum for support/bug threads for the common folk to talk and discuss their problems or success and even thanks for the developer. Questions, issues, bugs, thanks all in one place away from the developers main page. There could even be a proper form to fill out to report bugs (which some developers use already) that can stand out from the rest of the posts for devs to easily identify.

Boom problem solved. Keep general, q&a, theme/apps, but create the dev only section and support section. This might have been thrown around, or it might not even be possible... but this seems like the easiest way to go about it.

I came from the Fascinate and over at Rootz jt1134 uses a similar format, his main Rom page in development and a support page in general. He also uses a form for people to fill out to report bugs. Of course he asks if people could post anything non bug related in the thread over in the general section but as you all well know some people post in the Rom thread out of ignorance, laziness, or just plain stupidity which clogs up any productive posts. But the way I'm proposing eliminates those posts because they aren't "recognized devs".

His Rom post as an example ( http://rootzwiki.com/index.php?/top...Samsung-Fascinate---Updated-08/19#entry834200 )

Support post as an example ( http://rootzwiki.com/index.php?/topic/30778-CM10-Discussion/Support#entry835249 )

Ex.

Verizon S3

General

Q&A

Theme/Apps

Developers Section [Recognized Devs ONLY]

-Rom A

-Rom B

-Kernel A

-Mod A

-etc.

Developer Support

-Rom A support

-Rom B support

-Kernel A support

-Mod A support

-etc.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] rlatjs17:
Great thread. Only problem I see is the type of people you talk about won't even read this thread. If they do even open it up, they'll see the wall of text and scroll down to the bottom looking for the download links. :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Obaterista93:
The only problem I find with this idea is that there are people like Chad0989 from the rezound forums, where the guy is an absolute genius, pretty much made AOSP from the ground up for the rezound, but never posts any ROMs himself. He does all of the github work, and other people compile and post it. Smartest, most talented developer in the forum, but because he doesn't post ROMs he doesn't get the Recognized Developer label.

Sent from FBI Headquarters
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] DrkGhst87:
Thanks for reading my tl;dr post lol, and thanks for the feedback. One thing I can think of in that regard is an exception would have to be made. If Chad was okay with someone else maintaining a thread for him then that person would be able to post in the dev only section. The mods would have to contact Chad and said maintainer to get a thread started.

Sure there would be some kinks to work out if something like this were to take place but I really think it would be a great place to start.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] brainard52:
I don't remember when I started heavily reading threads, but I know it's helped me out a lot. I feel bad about my noob-days, though. My early days on DreamInCode are the perfect example. Anyway, I want to applaud the thread-creator for his tenacity. I'm not sure how many other people would have posted something like this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dreDrennon1:
We were flaming people for not searching and reading before posting when their issue had been resolved with multiple fixes and or answers
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] bobloblaw1:
Asking why people can't be like jt1134 is like asking why can't I hit a baseball like Albert Pujols, field like Ozzie Smith, and throw like Stephen Strausberg. But good point. If you're going to copy might as well copy a master Lol. :D

Even a Google form could help devs take quick feedback on whether issues exist rather than 15 scattered "I have that too" posts. The discussion thread has definitely always been a good idea as it then captures all the battery screenshots and "how does I do this" threads so that the Dev thread can stay focused.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
I'm still a little shocked I actually posted it in a way that didn't come off as direct flaming :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] BMc08GT:
He's joking right? Lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] spearoid:
Man, you totally had me going. I was enjoying reading this thread and was looking forward to reading the responses this perfectly ironic post was going to generate! :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
If the moderators did not ban this asshole, there is no hope for xda

Via my Google Galaxy S3 running magic beans
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] zetsumeikuro:
Today's society sucks true facts. People will always feel they are entitled to everything even when it's from the kindness of others and exploit it. Sad really, and this is why people no longer like to help.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Shibby87:
Ahh I miss the good ole days when rooting meant hours of research and careful planning, hardly anyone was modding their phones because it seemed to complicated, now we have these one click root methods that streamline the process, but with convienence comes idiots who think they know everything because they can download an app and touch a button.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
You know you're right. As much as i love these one click root methods, the downside to them is you get people using them who have no idea what it does, or what they are doing. And then when they have an issue, they are completely lost due to lack of knowledge. Which is confusing, because if you spend 200$+ on a single phone, you would think that they'd wanna know what they are doing to it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] luis86dr:
:rolleyes:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] guyandhisdog:
IMO, if people are going to post work on an open forum, they need to understand that a) most people don't know each other here b) it is a thankless job sometimes

While most people understand the countless hours of work put into development, many others are only concerned with themselves and with their phones and their problems.

I think when people close their threads, that's obviously a personal decision. But I also think they may have opened a thread with intent to shut it down, a matter of when not if. And that's OK with me. But you cannot enter into a public forum where you are giving your work away for free and demand a certain level of respect. I mean, you can, but some people will never oblige.

On a final note, I'd like to draw a parallel of my career to the OP. I teach in a public school where the majority of students are on welfare, get free food, free buses, free transportation, and free books. They absolutely destroy the free things, and do not value them. It is often times a thankless job. But many have shiny new cell phones, new clothes, and fancy Beats headphones. Hmmm..... My determination is that people immediately value things they pay for and automatically do not value (as much or at all) things that are free.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] KennyG123:
Thread cleaned

Everyone who knows me knows I do not tolerate profanity in ANY form, name calling or disrespect

Please add users to your ignore lists or just plain ignore them

Report rule violations and wait for a moderator to handle it

Thank you for your cooperation

Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tbodner:
Love this thread....

just thought it reminded me of how many times I see someone asking "can we dirty flash this" anytime a new update to a ROM is released....

I personally took about 2 weeks to decide to commit to rooting, unlocking and customizing my phone...research....comes in handy :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] imaconeheadXD:
That's it? :p Man I took 4 months of research and videos and articles until I attempted rooting my first phone (Samsung Moment), and even then I had my tech savvy friend watching me do it. On SDX I didn't need to make a single post for any of my issues, I searched and fixed it myself with advice from everyone else and everyone was happy. Now if everyone could just do that, there wouldn't need to be threads like this, though I am glad the OP decided to make this here thread :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
I'll admit even i sometimes ask about dirty flashing when a new update is released, because sometimes a developer will recommend it so its good to know :) But nowadays i only clean flash if i'm coming from a different rom, its a base update, or i'm already having issues.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Obaterista93:
But I bet you also don't dirty flash, then complain to the developer when you have issues. Personally, I dirty flash more than I probably should. But if I ever have issues I go back and clean flash and try and reproduce before reporting them. I can't even tell you the number of times I've had to tell people not to complain about issues if they're dirty flashing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] HHF2:
This is a great thread that a lot of people should read before they ever post. The big problem is that the people that really need to read it, won't. That is the whole problem, they don't read and then expect someone to get them out of the jam that they are in immediately, not in 5 minutes, but RIGHT THEN!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
And your bet would be correct. If I dirty flash and have any issues I'll make a simple post letting others know and make sure to say I'm going to try clean flashing. Unless you clean flash you should never complain about bugs, even if you flash a different kernel you still shouldn't because there's no way of knowing what caused the issues.

Also the rootbox thread is locked again which not only proves my point but also reinforces it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pwhoeler:
@Never- Thanks for this thread, its 100% spot on. I start every one of my "i'm an idiot please help me!" threads with the disclaimer: I have searched for this answer and either have not found it or am too stupid to properly search. On average maybe 1 of 20 issues can't be solved by reading through a previous thread.

On facebook and a couple of forums I am a condescending and downright hateful troll, but I respect XDA because of the selfless developers, dedicated moderators, and knowledgeable user base......as well as the euphoric feeling I get when I can actually help someone, although finding someone as technologically pathetic as me is rare.

A part of me dies every time I see a new "Should I get this phone?!" thread, or go through a help post and find the comments are nothing but dozens of users asking the same question instead of reading ANY OTHER COMMENT to find there's already a solution.

Thanks again for this thread, it was as cathartic to read it as I'm sure it was to write it :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] rhamorsky:
learned to root and flash custom kernels all by myself by reading complete threads and learning from others mistakes here, not just what i want to read. havent had an issue yet. many thanks to all members for their input and help. most people are just too lazy to do things for themselves.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] barrackOBAMA:
I could write a novel on rooting and and ROMs for the galaxy nexus and s3 thanks to XDA.

I have had about every problem possible on my gs3 but over came all of them thanks to help of the community and devs.

I could not be more thankful to XDA .
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] akayzwhiz:
i agree
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ShhImSleeping:
I actually saw a dude once tell a kernel dev to update his kernel... I couldn't believe it. ETA's, yeah I can see, noobs get curious and give in and ask it's inevitable, but demand an update? lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ImgBurn:
Neverendingxsin, Amen Brother :highfive:

Your Post should be required reading for all new members.:fingers-crossed:

Just a thought

XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working

together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.

Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE

JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] shuura:
I agree with everything stated!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
Thanks :)

I really did not expect this thread to get so many views or replies. I thought it would just get looked over and lost, but i'm glad to see that its been going strong and that people are reading it :)