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[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
And as you said high/mid end flagship in Q3/Q4. This is not the same as Samsung releasing a S3 and then S3 LTE. They are practically the same phone in every aspect apart from the RAM and LTE thus causing the lower spec to fall in price drastically....If Sony release a new phone, various factors come into play in wether or not the XZ will drop drastically or just slightly. You are expecting a significant drop in the price without taking into account the variables included, such as will the new phone be a remodelled XZ (ie look the same) or as you said a mid end phone?? will it be premium materials as is the XZ? features? waterproof? size? availability? price? and many more factors. If people still prefer the XZ to the "new" device then the price of the XZ obviously wouldn't drop that much. If the "new" device is not even a high end device then the XZ will barely drop at all, but If though the new device is superior in every way and worth the price then yes the XZ would drop a little more.

But to simply 'expect' a certain way and wait 7 months on this 'hope' is just silly and foolish. As people always say here, the waiting game is stupid. New devices come out all the time. Once you wait the 7 months, a new device is unveiled. What next? endless loop.
[Xperia Z General] robdevil:
http://www.affordablemobiles.co.uk/...?source=webgains&source=webgains&siteid=73902

Im not sure if I can share link but I found this deal as one of the cheapest. No upfront fees and unlimited data for just 26/mth
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Thats a decent deal..............only question is..........locked or unlocked?.........anybody?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Unlocked, its on the quad band frequency, i confirmed this with them :)
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Well so far for me this is the best deal so far, headphones and quidco offer or not.

Sim unlocked handset, 24 months @ £26/month = £624

Not bad at all.

If it is unlocked as previously stated.:cool:
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
What do you get on that tariff?
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Yes, new devices always come out and there'll be a better phone out by then but the prices will all be expensive - not expensive for the specs that you're getting, but expensive as a whole. Yes the specs of the Sony Xperia Z won't be as good as the specs of those newer phones out then in September, but they are still definitely very good specifications still nonetheless. That's why.
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
500 mins

unlimited texts

unlimited data

haven't looked into the terms & conds yet, but sounds good to start with...........not been with T Mob for a long time.
[Xperia Z General] Toonshorty:
I currently have an HTC Desire with Three (£28 /mth) for 500 Mins, 5000 Texts and AYCE Data.

I'll finally be able to upgrade this Saturday (16th) and it's a toss up between the Xperia Z or the Nexus 4.

Two questions that will probably sway me towards the XZ:

1) Is the headphone offer still active?

2) Will the bootloader be locked? If so, will we be able to unlock it? I'm a big fan of vanilla Android and don't particularly like custom skins, ideally would like to throw a custom ROM on the XZ.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
1) Yes headphones are available between 1st February till 26th february, but remember each retailer gets about 1000, so it is subject to availability in the end

2) Most likely locked with option to unlock, otherwise sony would not have released kernel source for the XZ, most likely custom roms will roll out within a month or two of launch i think
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Which for the specs that you get with the Sony Xperia Z is still great at face value for that price range. In general, how soon after a phone's release does its price tend to start dropping, regardless of special circumstances like the SGS3/SGS3 LTE 4G model difference situation?
[Xperia Z General] marcoplo:
Since my phone will lose it own virginity(unlocked bootloader) fairly soon therefore for me" best dea"l is "sim free". Other way i call Xperia "Castrare" :angel:
[Xperia Z General] DeadlyDazza:
My Xperia Play sadly passed away last night :'(

Now using a battered old HTC Hero :banghead:

My Xperia Z can't get delivered fast enough!
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Do you think Sony will bring out another Xperia Play (Xperia Play 2/II) ? Or would this conflict with the fact that they're starting to make their Xperia's 'PlayStation Certified' now - like with the Sony Xperia Z?
[Xperia Z General] DeadlyDazza:
I highly doubt it. Unless they give up on handheld consoles completely first.

They dropped SONY support for the XPlay shortly after release. IMO so that the Vita didn't have a mobile competitor.

Check out the XDA Xperia Play forum.

There are still people hanging on for a XPlay 2!

If I had any inkling that an XPlay 2 was on the horizon I'd use this ****ty Hero for another 6 months!

But it's never going to happen.

Besides, I'm thinking a 5"+ screen & game pad underneath would be too much for a phone now.

I'll be happy with Xperia Z + sixaxis app & have a PS3 pad handy if needed.
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Confirmed with who?

I just tried a live chat on the affordable mobiles site, (i know the reps are probably not the most knowledgeable).....she told me MOST of their handsets are unlocked but couldn't say for definate if it would be unlocked......but did say it was returnable if i didn't want to keep it if it was locked......i also asked about their delivery date....and she reckons it would be around mid March!!:eek:

Think i'll stick with my original pre order.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Can't believe this deal! Really considering it. Weighing it up with the VirginMedia Mobile deal I mentioned previously : http://www.affordablemobiles.co.uk/...ile/full_monty_26/sony/xperia_z/48954679.html
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
it is very tempting, you should go on live chat with them and see if you can get any better answers than i did, namely will it be an unlocked handset and what the delivery date would be......that is the only thing thats stopping me ordering it at the moment.:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Can anyone confirm this?
[Xperia Z General] mudstuff:
It should be unlocked since when I spoke to T mobile earlier in the week, they said they didn't have plans to stock it!

The problem for me is the hassle of moving my t mobile number to a payg and then back to the contract which is a bit of a pain. I'd also rather have unlimited minutes rather than data as I'm never far from wifi so got the £26 deal with unlimited texts, calls and 1gb data (but £99.99 upfront)
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Sorry, just to double-check, how does this confirm that the t-mobile deal I mentioned at affordable mobiles is for an 'unlocked' (non-network-locked) Sony Xperia Z? :-S. Do you know for definite? Anyone able to confirm it please? Sorry. Many thanks :)
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Not too much hassle, i was in the same boat, went to Tesco and bought a sim for £10/month 500 mins, 5000 texts and 1GB data, so i could transfer my Voda number and transfer it back. 2 minute call to Voda to get my PAC, then 2 minute call to Tesco mobile and my number was transfered 2 days later.

Now just got to decide what to do with it next, keep my pre order with DAP with my free headphones and Quidco deal to cover most of the £99 upfront cost, or take a punt on the T-Mobile offer above.

If someone could try the live chat on the site and see if they can get any info on delivery it would probably sway me, the woman told me Mid March!!
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
I had the chat window pop up at one point this morning but I closed it. Now whenever I get to that page to the stage where you can choose to click on the buy now button it keeps crashing my browser. The code on that webpage/website must be really inefficient/memory intensive for browsers! :( Is anyone with a good spec pc able to confirm with them in a chat window (on the Sony Xperia Z page at affordable mobile) whether or not it will be network-locked to T-Mobile and when-abouts the delivery date will be (and/or how long shipping takes) please??
[Xperia Z General] Kurowsk1:
Anyone know how reputable clove.co.uk is? Never heard of them before.
[Xperia Z General] mudstuff:
I guess so, I just checked traffic counter app too and my calls have been under 500 minutes for the last few months so the deal is tempting. Mobiles.co.uk haven't sent me proper email confirmation of my order yet which is a little disconcerting but I know they're legit and talked on the phone to do my order and they had my details from last time. Tempting to cancel, get the £100 refunded and get the t mobile deal. Mobiles.co.uk however told me yesterday that they will be shipping the phone on the 18th which is much better than a mid-march estimate. I bet affordable mobiles would have had a lot of orders too.

Decisions :) I'll likely just stick as I am, I'll sell my old S2 which will cover the upfront cost anyway.

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It's not a guarantee but if t mobile said they're not stocking it, then the deal must be an unlocked phone and a t mobile contract sim?!
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
As to your point: Existing Virgin Media Mobile customers can get the Samsung Galaxy S3 on the following deal for £36.00 (Have to pay £19 up-front by the looks of it. Works out at £883 overall on 24 month contract) per month:

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/yourdeal/?_cid=71286196 :) ;)
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Would also like to know this.
[Xperia Z General] jayman1986:
They are a very reputable UK company which deal with sim free phones.

And they're handsets are UK MODELS not imported.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
It is likely to be a unlocked version of the phone but as always not guaranteed. I myself went with the o2 CPW £26pm £99 handset purely because CPW workers say themselves the handsets ARE 100% unlocked 99.99% of the time. Plus with headsets which i can sell off would create the same deal minus the unlimited data.
[Xperia Z General] mudstuff:
^ Done the same, just cancelled with mobiles.co.uk as they were the same deal as CPW (and same company technically) but weren't doing the headphone offer. It's not a gurantee you'll get them but better than definitely not! :D
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
So is that affordablemobiles T-mobile deal, I mentioned, the best deal?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
The manager, i know the company, also they use most of the same sony distribution stores as carriers, since i work at vodafone it's easy to find out this information!

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Yes they are, they are as good as phones for u, carphone warehouse!
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Thanks for the info xiFIL

So i can almost certainly order from affordablemobiles and expect an unlocked handset, just the delivery time is the bit thats puzzling me, like i said i was told mid March!.......don't suppose you could use your "contacts" and find out if this is true or not?

By the way, when are Vodafone thinking of starting stocking the phone?.....i was due an upgrade but had to take a different route to get the phone and headset offer, i like Voda, i know i can get decent signals in the places i am regularly, which is why i have chosen another Voda contract, but am extremely tempted to jump ship and take the T Mob offer without headset, just a little unsure of the coverage i will get compared to Voda.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
T-mobile coverage is supposed to be quite good actually, and those places where you don't have coverage it will switch to using Orange at no extra charge.
[Xperia Z General] reudyfam:
Just pre-ordered with Vodafone, 24 month contract, unlimited minutes & text, 2gb data, free phone, £30 per month. Get a 20% discount through work as well, so it'll be £24 per month.
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Vodafone have it at last?!!.......pity i used my PAC the other day:D

Where was this offer you have got?
[Xperia Z General] reudyfam:
I'd already pre-ordered with 3, had a couple of months left on my vodafone contract so was gonna sell my galaxy nexus to pay it off. Requested my PAC, had it emailed to me this morning. Then this afternoon someone from the 'loyalty team' rang me. Cancelling my 3 order tomorrow.
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
I spoke to 2 carphone warehouse staff on the phone a week ago & both confirmed it wouldn't be unlocked :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Funny that, logic and the way carphone operate would mean it WOULD be unlocked. But this is dependant on stock levels obviously. Usually what happens is Carphone Stock say 10x Xperia Z simfree, and they ship out to any orders placed. This makes more sense than to stock say 10x for Orange, 10x for Tmo, 10x for O2, 10x for Voda.On their website it also states, "Purple only available at Carphone Warehouse & O2. Locked to O2", Black and White have NO such note therefore high chance unlocked.

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/news/latest-news/sony-xperia-z?intcmp=HP_Feb_XperiaZ

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...znPw8RiRwV1mRvQ&bvm=bv.42452523,d.d2k&cad=rja :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That's not true, only exclusive devices are locked to CPW, the xperia Z in purple for instance is exclusive to o2 therefore it would be locked, but the rest is fine. Source

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Indeed, and you can already take out a contract, but it would be more expensive, perhaps better to wait for vodafone to finish testing their devices and push them out!
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
I hope you're right & I did think it was a bit weird :)

I just think the staff don't know what they are talking about half the time! I went for the white one, the girlier one ;D Shame it's not white all over the front though like the ZL, which is what I would have preffered to buy anyway. But of course UK doesn't get the nicer looking phones imo!
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I agree. If the white was similar to the ZL i would've snapped it up. Not keen on the Black front, white back and sides :( Went for the black myself. Literally got off the phone just now to CPW (UK GMT 21:00) and i enquired about the headset and if I managed to get it with my pre order and he said it seems to have gone through fine. I ordered on the 10th Feb, and got confirmation on 11th Feb.
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Snap, I ordered on the 10th as well, emailed them about headphones & they called me yesterday saying it seems to have gone through on my invoice or whatever, fingers crossed :)

Just wish I had more proof of the unlocked thing, the woman said it would be locked to o2 once I insert the sim, so who knows. I just hope they are talking about the purple one, even though they knew it was the white I wanted lol.

Anyone going to get a case for it as well? I am thinking one of those flip over ones. I'll look so silly with such a big phone & tiny hands, but judging by the size which is practically same as S3 I should be ok!

Hang on, what confirmation moomoo? As in email to say you got the headphones etc? I only ever got 1 email about the purchase?
[Xperia Z General] DANCERDAVIES:
Just ordered from affordable mobiles - the T-mobile £26 deal, will let you know how I got on :) Just one thing can anyone confirm if this handset has a hdmi connection ? I'm sure I read somewhere that it had.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I got 2x emails but tbh i upgraded so that might be the difference. First email was a confirmation thank you email which contained order details. The seconds was the next morning saying my order simple 'has been accepted' .
[Xperia Z General] SalamiQueen:
Ah thanks, that could be why. They have already taken the £99 out of me, would have been nice to know that I had actually passed the credit checks too :P

& I think there's HDMI something on the phone, but not how it is set out in the older xperias. Can't remember what it's called sorry!
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Have you been given a delivery date?
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
MHL connection ?
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Reply from Affordablemobiles FB page......

Affordable Mobiles wrote: "Hi Colin, we are expecting the stock to arrive on the 1st March, the despatch of the pre-orders will follow shortly after"

And also.....

Affordable Mobiles wrote: "We try to despatch unlocked handsets, but we may sometimes need to source stock from the networks, however this is rare."

So, as xiFIL previously said, if you get the deal from Affordablemobiles, you are almost certain to get an unlocked handset......you may just have to wait a week longer than the first releases.
[Xperia Z General] DANCERDAVIES:
Hi haven't been given a date of when I can expect the phone but was told they expect a batch on march 1st and that the handset will be unlocked :) a bit gutted I won't get the promo headphones but the free phone and contract makes up for it.
[Xperia Z General] brizzle7:
Massive amount of Xperia Z advertising around central London today,could create quite a hype.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
It's a fantastic phone. Of course they'll hype it. Sony need people to know it so that they can then be wow-ed when they learn of its specs. Plus, so that it will be the iPhone 5 competitor - *cough* beater ;)
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Lots of dissapointed people with the "headphones" being mostly snapped up im guessing. Hopefully we the ones who got in early-ish are safe. I ordered on the 10th and was told im "fine", taking that with a grain of salt though.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
The phone should count for more than the headphones, but sometimes I get the impression you value the headphones more, with the amount your hyping them
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
lmfao. How am i hyping them? I don't even know what they are like? So im not sure what the hell your on about.

First of all, i chose the phone and it so happens that the first 1000 get free headphones which are a bonus. If we get them, GREAT as i decided to sell them already which negates the cost i paid for the handset. If I don't then whatever, I didn't order the phone FOR the headphones. I am saying if you didn't understand, that PEOPLE will be dissapointed because of the late advertising for the phone. People will be seeing the advertisements for the free headphones late which means less chance of actually ever getting them which will cause dissapointment.
[Xperia Z General] cklow01:
Any chance for us in the UK to get it earlier than 28 Feb????
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
No, Sony want it to be available at the same time everywhere!
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
You're correct... All out handsets are unlocked, including iPhones, which lock to that network as soon as sim is inserted.

Exclusive deals like the o2 one are however locked as we get sent separate batched handsets, it is rare they are unlocked... we don't know until they come in.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Germany is the 21st.
[Xperia Z General] DesertHawk:
You can pick it up from 3UK on a contract.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
I think everyone knows that so not sure why you posted that.
[Xperia Z General] cklow01:
Neither me...

:D:D:D
[Xperia Z General] DeadlyDazza:
I'm sure somebody posted that they were taking delivery of a tmobile deal on Monday.

I've also been trying to find the source.
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Well, just rang Dialaphone to cancel my pre order, and managed to get some cash back from them because they couldn't match the affordable mobiles deal......so effectively my tariff on Voda will now be £29/month instead of £33, still only 1gb data, but i've never even come close to that in the last 2 or 3 years. Still have the headphones deal, and the Quidco cashback to cover the majority of the upfront handset cost.

The money i make from the sale of my One X, more than makes up the difference between the 2 contracts.......maybe think of selling the headphones which in turn will bring down the effective cost over the 2 years even lower than what the phone costs to buy outright. Result.:D

Still waiting for the upcoming M7 announcement on Tuesday and then see what deals are released for that, got a fantastic deal last year on the One X release, on a 12 month contract......maybe they will offer some similar deals this time around. Who knows.:cool:
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Yeah, and there'll be even better deals by Spetember when my contract runs out then, soo getting prepared to get the Sony Xperia Z then and on a better deal than anyone would be able to now in early Spring. Result. :p
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
LOOOL don't bombard yourself with this BS to make yourself feel better. By then the note 3, Motorola x phone, and Xperia Tigari will be out, the Xperia z will be old news like the Xperia s ;)
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Exactly. Why do people wait and wait. It's totally stupid considering the amount of phones that get released. U decide to wait 3-4 months for the S4, and by then the Nexus is around the corner and do you wait another 3-4 months for that? and then when you get to then, a new Sony is around the corner....guess what? by then it would be a year and your contract is half done.
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Yep best way is just buying a device you like and NOT following new releases until you really need a new device. You can't keep up with the technology.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
What you forget is that I don't care. It's definitely a good device and just because the passage of time will have occurred by September and there will be newer and better phones out by then, doesn't mean the Sony Xperia Z will be any worse of a phone on it's own. Its specs (which are great) won't change between after they release it and September. If you were to (stupidly) compare it in September with the new phones out then, that would be like saying whoever invented the idea of using a horse and cart was stupid because obviously cars are so much better. The specs of the Sony Xperia Z will still be great come September and to be honest I don't need more than 4 cores in more phone ore more than 2GB - needing more than that is ridiculous, you may as well carry orund a tablet or laptop
[Xperia Z General] s.ali:
hi. Any chance that I can have your no so I can ask them to match it as closely as possible. I spoke to them and they didn't come down to any better deal even after requesting the PAC. They instead sent a Pac but didn't give any better deal. Thanks
[Xperia Z General] arcadebod:
I don't think it will help I phoned 333 from my phone and handed it over to a friend who was not an existing customer they verified I've got the deal @ £27 no upfront cost on the one plan. They could not match or would not..but they were the UK sales team not the Indian team that seem to compete against each other.

What was the best deal they have offered you ?
[Xperia Z General] ipmanwck:
That's a good deal. I am a sim only customer and they will only give me it at £34 per month 500 mins. Loads of texts and unlimited data. Tried to get a better deal by saying I would leave but couldn't get anything better :(

Custom Stock Rom 4.0 Eternity

Stock but better
[Xperia Z General] juDGEY2k10:
You dont need to get the upgrade from them, go to phones 4 u or carphone they will do better deals
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Unfortunately our deals (in carphone warehouse) aren't that good on 3, to get the handset for free you have to pay £44 a month, and £36 a month on the one plan asks for £49 upfront cost of handset...it could change when the phone is launched though.
[Xperia Z General] keenan316:
The thing is, do you really need all those minutes? I've been stuck with three and theit terrible reception for two years and I'm breaking free now! Definatly going with the T-Mobile deal for £26 a month no upfront cost (500 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data)..

Remove the cost off the phone from that and you pay very little for your monthly allowance..