yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Probably G+...... but honestly, the best source of info is this thread right here. When people see updates, they post it here :)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] anshumandash:
That's right. This thread is the best source instead of following multiple sites. I saw something and I posted. Same is done by any body who comes across any information from social networking sites about Carbon. Everyone else can then know about it in this thread instead of everyone trying and searching for info.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Sounds like they are waiting for a lot of devices to work properly and mass releasing it at the same time. Kinda sucky for nexus 4 owners but I understand where they're coming from. A lot of whiners out there. They will just try to keep it fair.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Screw keeping it fair! Nexus users are always early adopters, I want to be a guinea pig!!

(sarcasm of course... don't fire shots at me)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Bang...bang
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
ahh im dead :( time to revive myself by flashing rom! lol :X

but yeah.. there was a alpha build of Flo (Nexus 2013) around. Wish they just released it publically, I'm sure someone will post it regardless of what the carbon team says tbh.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Ya I flirted with the idea of flashing it but it wasn't fully functional and it just wouldn't feel like carbon. Plus I'm keeping my flo stock for a while.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
How you liking the device? I didn't get one because I don't feel a need for a tablet atm. Had one before and it just collected dust :(
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Well its my first tablet and I really can't do anything with it that I can't do with my N4. That being said. I freaking love this thing. It really is a beautiful tablet. Screen and sound are awesome. Could only get the 16 gig model but otg is a breeze with this thing. 9hrs sot. Can't ask for more. Very happy with it.

Sent from nexus 7(2013) flo or razor or whatever
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Sad that the N4 didn't have OTG support. My first tablet was the TF101, it was fun but then I realized that it was super bulky and didn't really feel that good in my hands plus the dock keyboard was super laggy. Overall wasn't that great of an experience as tablets in general on Android were still very new.

I'd probably just wait for the N5. Thats the thing with tablets :( you use the one thats the newest. Once you get a new phone, you'll be using that more than ur tablet and vice versa.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Ya I'm hooked on Nexus's now. N4 was my first. This is gonna be an expensive habit lol.

Sent from nexus 7(2013) flo or razor or whatever
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Especially when they come out on a yearly basis :(

I've been on the Nexus bandwagon since Nexus S and I don't regret it. During the Nexus One, I was using my G1 still.

Although, I'm a bit iffy on what will come out of the N4 2.0 / N5 this year. I wish it was based off the G2 but I guess it isn't since the rumors are leaning towards Motorola.

I love the flat black on the Nexus 4. It feels really good in the hand without any cases.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] kCelsius:
Dax from uXylon built an alpha for mako earlier this morning...i'm using it right now.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
It'd probably help if you included a link. I see one for the HTC One but not for mako from his XDA account.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] kCelsius:
Was on his twitter:

https://twitter.com/DXinonito/status/366572329662287875
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Awesome. His twitter wasn't updated on XDA or G+ so I couldn't find it.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] bongostl:
Interesting that it's almost 50mb lighter than cm10.2..........
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
+5
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Well CM10.2 does include a lot more of CM apps like Apollo, Terminal Emulator.

I just flashed it with banks gapps and am restoring my apps now. Seems to be a very light ROM for the time being with a lot of features that we all know and love.

Very clean thats for sure! No halo included but will probably be added sooner or later, kinda miss it as my last ROM had it but everything looks good.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Is this an unofficial Carbon release? Also, I see you switched to a faux kernel. Any reason? Realizing any benefits?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Its unofficial Carbon release from a member of Team Carbon. Looks like no PIE either. I'm just flip flopping between different kernels. Not having the best battery life on Franco Kernel r174/5 unofficial. Was starting to notice battery drain while the phone screen was off. It might of been another variable such as apps or whatnot. Not seeing any wakelocks. So I'm just trying other kernels to see what the difference is. So far, Faux seems the battery life is better but then again, I'm changing ROMs again so I can't really say. Best thing is to really experiment and try the kernels that interest you.

I can say one thing for sure. FauxSpeaker is a nice addition to have.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Hmm. Seeing as how Carbon is frowning on this, I'm wondering if this person will remain a member of it.

Let me know what you think of the ROM once you get everything set up... especially if Voice+ works, if you even use GV.

Also, I know you're a fan of Banks' gapps. I use a lot of google's apps. Is it slimmed down so much that I'd need to spend a lot of time downloading all of my google apps again?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
If he wasn't going to do it, somebody else would. I doubt Carbon cares if someone built it and shared it, they said they hope people didn't do it but then they should of closed the source temporarily. Either way, its a win-win. Its been long enough since I've been on Carbon. Its about time!

I don't use Voice+ but it does appear to be included with the ROM. Just make a Nandroid backup and flash the ROM and try it out :) I so far like it. It isn't as feature packed as Carbon pre-4.3 but they will be included eventually. Just no PIE, Halo... at least not yet but not a deal breaker
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Oh crap. Here I go again.. :) I have nandroids of all of the roms I've tried and liked, and had completely set up. I just have to TB my sms and call log before wiping, and whichever one I choose to load back, it's just a minute or two before I'm back up completely. Did I just use TB as a verb?

Carbon has seemed to have won my heart as my home rom. It's weird though, because I hadn't even tried a CM (or CM based) rom until last month. But I finally did, and found Carbon.

See you on the other side!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
I see you posted in crDroid. It certainly feels like crDroid thats for sure. Only thing missing is Halo from that ROM but it'll be added and its not even a official nightly so I can't complain.

Wish Android had something like... boot ROM into memory like boot Ubuntu from memory. I think that'd be a pretty cool experience to try the ROM before we fully flash it.

Edit: out of personal experience in my <30minutes of usage.

- seems like there is a slight bug with bluetooth as a tile

- no hold status bar to change brightness

- no halo, no pie.

overall a solid and speedy rom for the most part and is useable and im sure as more time passes by, more features similar to the carbon pre-4.3 we all know & love will be implemented.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Agreed! Btw, most of our conversations have been in crDroid... I think... but alas, I am getting older!

About Banks' gapps.. can you respond to my question about those? I guess your response will probably be... 'flash em and see if it's too much work to get the rest of your crap back'. :)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
What question did you have about banks gapps? I didn't see a question?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
"Also, I know you're a fan of Banks' gapps. I use a lot of google's apps. Is it slimmed down so much that I'd need to spend a lot of time downloading all of my google apps again?"
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
You'd just have to redownload them from the play store, but once you do... you can just back them up using Titanium Backup and never have to redownload them again. The trade off is that, the banks gapps are smaller in size and the apps will be stored in the data partition.

Whereas, other gapps that are bigger in size like 100MB+ such as PA gapps, CM gapps etc. It goes into the system partition.

In the end, I don't think any of them save space with the exception of banks gapps. Why?

Yes you are saving space because it goes into the system reserved partition but the zip file is bigger since the gapps you can get from the play store are in the zip.

I prefer banks gapps because the zip is smaller in size and I can add the gapps I WANT rather than having them including google bloatware (books, videos, magazines, google earth, google+, etc).
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Ok, hold my hand here for a minute (figuratively, of course). :)

So, by using Banks' gapps, once I download them, -since- having to download them, they're in the data partition, which means TB can back them up and restore them safely? Ok, I'm aware that I just repeated what you've just said. I mean, that's a hell of a benefit if you ask me! I mean, I may not save much space, since I do use a lot of them, but any space savings is better than none.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] mookiejr05:
I can add nav bar height resetting on reboot also themes didn't stick unless I rebooted other than its pretty functional
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Build 3 out for crDroid! Yargh! I hadn't even got done setting up this one!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Meh its nothing new just updated cm sources and ram bar. I'm just going to stick with carbon unofficial.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
I'm going to try to set this one up one more time. But just a few minutes ago, when TB was restoring my previous ID, the phone got stuck in a boot loop. Well, actually, it froze as soon as it booted, then rebooted on it's own.

As for crDroid, I am just interested in seeing if CM implemented the lockscreen shortcut fix, and if it manifests in the new build. Right now, that rom is the best one going, for me and my needs. Of course, when Carbon is finished, I'll still be coming back.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
The only thing I miss are the status bar hold for brightness change and Halo. But I'm too lazy to go back so I'll stick with it. Hopefully he keeps posting unofficial builds so I can stay on top of the jungle for the builds.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] nickshertzer:
Is 4.3 (unofficially) based on JWR or JSS? Freezergate has left me weary of JSS ROMs.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
JSS. All AOSP ROMs are JSS except PA which are doing a hybrid.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] nickshertzer:
Yeah... Just saw the twitter post.

"Carbon ROM 2.0 Alpha | 4.3 JSS15J | mako (Nexus 4) "

Not ALL aosp is JSS... The good ones are JWR ;)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
thats not AOSP. thats from factory images.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] fcb-1899:
Wait wait wait... What? Wait what?? There's an official alfa?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Not that I've heard. There's an UNOFFICIAL alpha.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
No its unofficial. https://twitter.com/DXinonito/status/366572329662287875
[Nexus 4 Android Development] yyz71:
Just saw this gonna flash in a bit :good:
[Nexus 4 Android Development] fcb-1899:
Ahh OK that makes sense! Is anyone using this ROM? Any important bugs I should know about before trying it? Thanks a lot
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
I am. The only one I've found so far is that the toggle for Bluetooth doesn't show up. There's a couple things missing too, like Halo, PIE, brightness control by sliding across status bar, etc. But it's running quite smoothly, and I'm sure those will be added in.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] nickster1:
Oh man... pie is missing? I can't go back to standard navigation. I guess I will continue to wait and be patient for Carbon to release an official more complete build.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] brian88:
How's about Gapps for Carbon 4.3, any Gapps pack I want ?

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 Android Development] bongostl:
Feels sooooo good to be back in carbon!

I just need status bar brightness control, and I'll be good to go in terms of the features I use!

Does anyone know if this was compiled with the linaro tool chain?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Any one u want. I use banks gapps.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] KarloHD:
Halo and pie not included?

Vom Nexus 4 Gebeamt CarbonRom
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
I can live without PIE... probably forever. I've been forcing myself to use it on another rom for the last few days, just to see if I could make myself like it. I'm still not digging it. I mean, it takes -longer- to do the same thing than the standard navigation bar. And the additional screen real estate doesn't make up for the extra steps PIE creates in navigating around.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
+1 ..... plus when im outside and its super sunny and my brightness is even on 100%, I can't see PIE although it would be a automatic feeling that its actually there.

36 DPI nav bar is fine enough for me. Halo is nice for multi tasking.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] nickster1:
Hey I hear ya man to each their own. Up until about 2 months ago I was of the same mind set as you are. I kept trying it & hating it. Finally, I just said to myself that I was going to live with it for a week and give it a fair shake & you know what? I love it now. Once I got use to using it I actually found it quicker and easier to do a lot of things, but I digress.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] notbrodie:
if you're running the carbon 4.3 alpha and would like to report a bug, do it somewhere else. carbon dev team asked that the rom not be released, specifically because they knew it wasn't yet ready.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
No one is reporting bugs, just having a discussion.

Calm down, you're not a moderator.

People really need to learn to distinguish the differences between complaining, reporting bugs and just having a discussion.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
I'm not reporting any bugs. I'm discussing the alpha release. And since it -is- a Carbon alpha, this is where I'm discussing it. If someone asks me what it's like, or missing at the moment, I'm going to answer them.

Btw, it was released by a member of the Carbon team...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] damngood98:
i'm not reporting a bug in that case....but i did notice a fc when trying to use custom notification lights...just an fyi ;)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
For some reason when I have notification LEDs on, the LED doesn't even appear when I get a text message. Using it with Light Flow and then it works.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] manpildo:
Same here. At first I couldnt even figure out how it worked :D But when I finally realized its in the mould of AOSP browser quick controls (love it), I stuck by it and gave it a chance, even though at first it was difficult to get used to, now its difficult to be without it. Sure its easier to navigate with the navbar, but the screen looks really small once youve gotten used to PIE.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
If you guys like pie so much make sure you go to their g+ profile and let them know which pie you wanted. Remembered seeing a post of them asking which pie go include. The slim one or the other one
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zoidberg_md:
A mod should stop this talk because they are very explicit in this post

https://plus.google.com/103315278250477995368/posts/Lsk5FbEdeQL

"We are asking that those of you with the knowledge and skillz to build Carbon 4.3 unofficially as of now please keep the rom to yourself until we release our nightlies officially.Firstly, once a user flashes 4.3 I can GUARANTEE you that they will report bugs to us here and we will laugh at them because the rom isnt ready to be released yet so of course there are going to be bugs. Secondly, it will honestly ruin the suspense we have people anxiously awaiting on. When you wait for something it feels all the better once you actually get your hands on it "
[Nexus 4 Android Development] hartleyshc:
Yes, we all read the g± post, we also read the Twitter post where a member of carbon posted the mako alpha.

Carbon is just trying to save builders headaches from answering x1000000 questions until a version stable enough for nightlies comes out.

(Look how many people can't go back one page to see that halo and pie arent built in yet.)

If they really didn't want users to use it, they would be making changes to a closed git and publish their commits later.

Anyways, tested the alpha myself, and it is an alpha as far as carbon ROMs go. A few other 4.3 ROMs are a little more developed than this is now, so all the carbon fans, just wait a little longer.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] leets4uc3:
Sorry I really have to ask. Is the option to change to the tint on the lockscreen working? I just flashed cataclysm and I'm loving it but this is a game changerrr
[Nexus 4 Android Development] d0msen:
Yes
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
What he said. Honestly if the member of carbon didn't post a compiled version of the rom then someone else would of done it. If they didn't want anyone using it at all, then the git would be closed and users wouldn't be able to compile.

Most of the instability warning is for other phones, not nexus devices as it is a aosp supported device and is known to work well with aosp. It isn't buggy to the point where your phone can't make phone calls or text message. The bugs are minor from what I can observe.

So yeah, calm down and take a breather and stop taking things so serious (not directed at whom I'm quoting but at the one trying to police the thread).
[Nexus 4 Android Development] nickster1:
What's up with all these hall monitors in this thread??? I think if it was a problem team carbon would chime in on what's taking place in this thread & let us know it's not cool. If you don't like it go tell a mod or team carbon. Otherwise, relax & let people do their thing.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
I wouldn't tell a member of Carbon, that'd be wasting their time and they'd probably just ignore the person anyway since they're so busy.

Just keep the thread going, if u like it then talk about it. If not then keep waiting. Its as simple as that.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] ddloco:
That's what's wrong with xda so many people are so quick to so called check the next person if more people would stop being super xda mods then a lot of the bickering would stop but try and explain that to a real moderator they'll most likely take the person who just can't mind there on business side I wonder if dude got the bonus check for making sure he told the other guy off

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
So is alpha jss based or did they the jw route to avoid the Freeze's? Have you noticed any lockup s?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] lifebound:
I wonder if they are going to use the 4.3 camera app or maybe move on to cyanogenmod's focal.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
It's in the title of the download, I think. It's JSS15J based.

---------- Post added at 11:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:34 AM ----------

If I'm not mistaken, Focal is just an additional app that's been added to CM roms. The stock camera isn't removed in favor of it. Last time I tried to use Focal, it wasn't complete, and needed some work.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] tyea:
If the pie settings are set to 0ms animation delay or quick pie, depending on what pie you are using, there is no UI delay. I don't experience any extra steps, as long as there is a back, home, recent apps, search, and menu-on -demand button configured. If navigation glow of selected pie button is bright and high in contrast to the unselected pie buttons, one can still see it in daylight just as well as the regular navigation buttons.

LG-E960
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Now, this is coming from inexperience, so please don't take this as argumentative. But, how is there not an extra step when you have to open PIE, then drag your finger to the action you want done? It would seem that it can't be faster than just tapping a button on the navigation bar.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Open pie???? Its just a tiny little drag. I've been on slim for a little while and their implementation of pie is awesome. You can add a second layer and put any action or app there. It saves me A LOT of time for the apps I constantly use.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
Again, coming from inexperience with PIE, but a 'tiny little drag' is still an extra step compared to tapping a button. And any app I constantly use is either on my home screen or app drawer.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
I guess. It is an acquired taste, I absolutely hated pie when was first introduced as well. But after a few months of use I cannot stand that navbar starring at me all the time. Even reducing the DPI isn't good enough for anymore. And really once you get used to it it is a lot more functional. Not trying to convince you just sharing my experience. To each their own as they say.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wy2sl0:
Carbon has THE best pie experience IMO. I can't stand CM or variations of it, and the PA pie is not customizable enough. The Slim pie is nice for the two stages, but the actual implementation (activation) is second to none on Carbon.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Cuzz1369:
Ya if carbon had the second layer or at least some custom buttons it would be awesome.

Sent from nexus 7(2013) flo or razor or whatever
[Nexus 4 Android Development] damngood98:
Whenever I see these discussions about pie and what people wish it would do....have either of you tried lmt launcher? It's not an actual launcher, just an app that's much like pie only way more customizable. It shuts off my screen, opens my power menu, has 2 layers, long press options. A bit of a learning curve involved but it's way better imo
[Nexus 4 Android Development] nickster1:
Yeah I've heard nothing but good things about it. Are you on the Carbon unofficial build 4.3 & if so is this working on it?

Here is the link to the thread for lmt if anybody else is interested.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
[Nexus 4 Android Development] atsamoon:
I rarely ever do a thnxx post for a ROM but this ROM is awwwwweeeeeeesooooome thnnxxxxxxx a million best rom evvvvvver :good:

and plzz keep this ROM alive and give us the 4.3 version
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
relax with the big fonts.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] damngood98:
i was, and lmt was working fine. the unofficial is very much an alpha at this point but it's nice to see it coming along. currently sticking with slim atm.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] wvcadle:
I didn't think it felt too much like an alpha. I mean, other than missing some final features, it's pretty darn smooth and responsive.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
Thats Nexus for ya ;) its a different story for non-Nexus devices where they have to backport stuff to ensure cellular data, phone calls, texts etc work.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] damngood98:
depends how you use your phone i suppose...i.e. - i use bluetooth often but not always...not having that toggle was a part of it. although some of the missing features are things i never use - pie, halo...but that's what is so great about carbon..it literally has everything. plus i'm enjoying using some other roms for a change to see how other devs implement features
[Nexus 4 Android Development] zephiK:
I hope they incorporate tiles management that CM has rather than the AOKP way they have right now. The CM method is more intuitive and more visually pleasing.