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[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
Beats are good headphones. No one can deny that. Not even audiophiles. But not for their price tag. They cost waay too much for what they are. Also, I've found that they really bloat the bass. This coming from me, and I listen to a LOT of bass heavy music. With my EQ set to emphasise bass..

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Also, this is a good song to test out new head phones if you like thumping bass but also cherish clarity on your highs.

But if you wanna taste your headphones, I'd reccomemd using 1970 era music, directly from the Vinyl. If not, 96 KHZ 24 But FLAC directly ripped will also do :D

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[General Accessories] dumpsterdive:
They're not good headphones if you have to quote all sorts of caveats. The flagship models - the Pro and the Studio - are acceptable, though something one-third of their price will be able to beat them in all respects bar style (if you like rocking an "I'm a slave to marketing" logo on your head), or in the case of Studios they are even beaten by that other master of marketing (though for the older guys), Bose. The on-ear models in particular are turds with no redeeming features whatsoever.

If you can't tell that from 96/24, then you really do need your hearing checked.
[General Accessories] weyder0115:
Iam using Sony MDR-ZX300 with Sony Xperia S - Poweramp Music Player

Freq response 10-24kHz

Clean sound still on maximum volume , bass is amazing . Comfortable

~35$

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[General Accessories] maxipein:
20-20 is all that matters :)

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[General Accessories] mflow:
20-20khz, normal human listen-able frequency, unless you have super hearing capabilities . :D

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today's setup~

FiiO E17, direct to Mogami modded Alessandro MS1i , this is just.. brutal~
[General Accessories] weyder0115:
not all people are the same :D
[General Accessories] mflow:
i do agree with you, but i never (actually i don't even) , count on these khz measurement, lol.

indeed, some IEMs and Headphones states that it could handle more than the 20-20khz range, UM Miracle for instance, 18-19khz , and it sounds awesome :D

ZX300 is a good headphone, but a good headphone is not just about the 20-20 :)

but, it's all back to your ears :D
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Numbers don't mean much when it comes to headgear. And most people don't reach 18khz :laugh:

Over 20khz is ultrasound :p
[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could explain something to me.

When I... obtain... my music, generally I get it in pristine FLAC (24 Bit ripped from vinyl or CD)

When I convert it to MP3 (a lot of people have just mentally killed me) I usually pick the sample rate at 48 KHz. Is there any noticeable difference?
[General Accessories] dumpsterdive:
Not all people can interpret graphs.

Just because your phones claims 2-30000hz response or whatever, it doesn't mean anything - the figures just mean the drivers will respond within those frequency, and doesn't list at what amplitude it will respond.

And of course, frequency response doesn't say at what quality the sound will be delivered.
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Are you playing it through android? Android only supports 44.1kHz sound files. Using 48kHz would force android to resample it down to 44.1kHz which can decrease sound quality and most importantly kill your battery.

From what i know, if you use mp3 you should use 44.1kHz. 48kHz is probably overkill and might decrease sound quality. Furthermore, by using mp3, sounds above 18-20kHz is truncated, which make 48kHz sampling rate kind of useless.

On the side note, try using AAC.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
LAME vbr might also be nice. Also perhaps try Neutron Player. :)
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Well, I'm already using Neutron (the only and first app I've ever bought). No audiophile using android would miss out Neutron :laugh:. IMO it's the best player for android, though the UI is lacking. I like Neutron for its 64bit processing and parametric equalizer. Just hope they add support for more eq bands later on. :good:

Also, I use flac all the time, since i have plenty of space on my sdcard. Unless it's necessary, I wouldn't go for lossy.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Have you tried Rockbox for Android recently?

Neutron's 64bit processing kills the battery pretty quickly. :(

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
Did try Rockbox some time ago, but it still felt 'half-completed', so I didn't use it for long.

About Neutron... Hmmm, never tried comparing the battery life of my phone while using 32 or 64bit though. Maybe i'll try it over the next few days and see if 64bit is really worth it.

Android's battery life is mediocore when compared to iOS. 30 minutes of browsing on android drains 10+% of my 1650mah battery.

On the other hand, 30 minutes of browsing on the iPhone 5 just uses 1% or less.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Are you using any audio mods?

And does that mean you'll get an iPhone? :p

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
Nope, I believe the less the audio signal is altered, the better the sound quality. Therefore, I don't use any sound mods.:o

Also, I'm not really a fan of Apple, so I wouldn't get an iPhone though it has acceptable sound quality. Furthermore, we can use usb DACs with andriod :highfive:
[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
Thanks for your help guys, I'll just be using 44.1 KHz instead :D

Rockbox for android? Hmm.... Sounds interesting...
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Question to those who use Neutron MP: Do you use 64bit rendering? Why or why not? ;)
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Nope(eats through battery), unless I'm near a power source. :laugh:
[General Accessories] boulder96:
I just tried listening to my music with and without 64bit rendering and OMG... It makes a very very big difference. With it turned off, i noticed that some background instruments can no longer be heard. After turning it back on, they are back, and extremely clear and sharp too. :eek:

I feel sorry for my battery:crying:
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Well I don't use my phone for music when I'm home and when I go out, the traffic and outside noise is a bit too loud to properly enjoy music...

So 64-bit is a bit redundant. :)

Apparently, Tegra devices are better suited for Neutron's 64-bit in terms of battery life.
[General Accessories] Spl4tt:
But tegra devices also have a really bad audiochip.

I don't hear much outdoor noise with my customs or my universals, your isolation must be really bad :/
[General Accessories] dumpsterdive:
That's not how it's supposed to work [facepalm]

If you can really hear the difference, then the 32-bit rendering really has to be unbelievably sucky. The rendering bitdepth is used only when you're applying effects to the sound. 32 vs 64 also shouldn't result in an appreciable difference for the kind of on-the-fly changes being made by a mobile audio player. If you're bouncing double-digit tracks in a pro audio recording tool, sure.
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Really! I swear! The background sound was kinda mushed up when using 32bit. I even tried tried turning it off and on a few times.

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Tegra 2 devices have the wolfson wm8994 with acceptable sound quality though, once voodooed.

However the stereo crosstalk is quite bad on the wm8994
[General Accessories] dumpsterdive:
Then you need to stop using that player as it sucks...

... Unless, that is, you're applying some Beats-grade EQ [barf]
[General Accessories] maxipein:
I was only considering battery life with Neutron's 64bit with Tegra devices. Not the sound quality :laugh:

Nope. Just that there's a lot of noise pollution here.

The same dac as in the i9000 if I'm not mistaken. :)

On a side note, what smartphone do you use?
[General Accessories] Spl4tt:
Oo t2 had a wolfson? Didn't knew that, nice.
[General Accessories] boulder96:
If I'm not wrong, tegra 2 devices all come with the wolfson wm8994 chip
[General Accessories] hex_code:
Informative guide bro

Thanks
[General Accessories] sirdowski:
I listen to a lot of classical on my phone. Does neutron player really make an appreciable difference as opposed to power amp? I have viper4android FX installed and am pretty happy with my setup, but if neutron is quite better I'd switch with no hesitation.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
I think there's a trial version of Neutron Player in the play store. You should try it and see for yourself. And I personally wouldn't use viper with neutron. :)

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[General Accessories] willybilly:
I purchased Neutron Player a day ago and love it.

Would you care to share your equiliser parametric settings.

Or give some advice on the settings.
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Actually, equalizer settings are different for different earphones. Suggest you get a frequency response graph of your earphone/headphone and start from there. If you use eq you might want to reduce the pre amp value to prevent clipping.

In audio hardware, uncheck generic driver. This supposedly decreases cpu usage, hence extending battery life.

64bit rendering: Your call :highfive:

Do not normalize as can take very long and it locks the eq sliders. The difference is also microscopic

Leave the other options off, you probably wouldn't need them :good:

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Anyway, here's my eq I use for my Westone 4. Not a basshead, so I reduced the bass and boosted the higher frequencies to make the IEMs sound less dark. Would probably have boosted some sub-bass too though, but unfortunately there's not enough bands.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
I'd perhaps try crossfeed if you're using headphones and have long sessions with them.

About normalising; it does take some time but I've noticed some differences but as [MENTION=3827860]boulder96[/MENTION] said, they were very small and it does lock the eq for normalised songs(normalising itself is obviously specific to the eq settings you've used).

GoldenEars may have an FR graph for your IEM/headphone otherwise you can always use Google.

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
What kind of difference? I might want to try normalizing too.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Hard to explain. But I'd say slightly more uniform and consistent with more body to the music across all the frequencies.

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[General Accessories] mflow:
i think, you should start by uninstalling these so called viper stuff :)

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i'm impressed by v-sonic lately, Gr-07 is soo good!

tried Gr-02, and it's not bad either!
[General Accessories] maxipein:
I think there's something seriously wrong with your eq settings :confused:

+8.8dB gain @ 16khz !!!!

WHY???? :confused:

Isn't it a bit redundant? Considering the sounds at that frequency?
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Trust me, it makes a lot of difference, considering the westone 4s are very dark sounding. The frequency after 10khz drops off like a steep cliff (almost out of the FR graph). It makes the sound airier and also less dark
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Okay, I'll take your word for it then. Lol :D

But why did you get a W4 if you don't like it's signature?

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[General Accessories] sirdowski:
In neutron, Is there anyway to list tracks by song title and not track No. or filename? This is a deal breaker for me. I've spent hundreds of hours adjusting the meta data to make it perfect, however the actual filename/track no. info is still a mess.
[General Accessories] boulder96:
I heard it has very good detail, instrument separation and soundstage. Furthermore, I managed to get brand new one at a very good price (US $410);)

It's also none fatiguing. I can listen to it for hours straight.
[General Accessories] maxipein:
It's great for rock music. And quite a step up from the um3x if you ask me. But maybe you would like a ue900 or an sm3 more? :D

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
Never got a chance to try those, but I think they might actually suit my listening preferences better. They are sound brighter and have more treble right?

Anyway, I'm very happy with the W4R right now. They sound great after some EQing :D. My next IEM shall be the FitEar 334, but that's likely in a few years time...:(

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Long tap the 'songs' tab and then choose 'setup' and select your preference. Hope this helps :fingers-crossed:
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
Tonight I went to a Chinese takeout restaurant on the way home, because I was too tired to cook, set my rig on the counter as I got my wallet out.

Old Asian owner asks in broken English if it's a camera. I explained what it was, why it's better than an iPod with Beats/Bose plugged into it. He then asks model names, pricing and where to shop.

I feel that's my good deed for the week.

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
If he converts to an audiophile, I pity his wallet:crying:
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
I warned him, lol.

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
I'm wondering if i should get a new 3.5 to 3.5 wire. Do you guys think it will be worth? Will it even affect the sound? :confused:

Oh, I'm considering this: http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=54
[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
Depends on the manufacturer. The one you linked looks good from what I can tell

Lol being an Audiophile is expensive... But worth it :D

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[General Accessories] maxipein:
If I remember correctly, the sm3 sounds natural and dark but with a great presentation, awesome soundstage and pretty good bass. It's very balanced. I'd say

it has better bass, separation and soundstage than the w4r but treble wise they are really more or less like the w4r.

ue900 on the other hand is pretty musical and a bit bright you probably wouldn't even have to eq them.

But if you really want bright treble and don't care about bass then an audio technica ck100 would be great, it'd be a bit overkill I think though. And there really isn't much choice in the universal iem high-end (<$600) especially when you've got a W4R.

I think FitEar would release something else if you wait a few years. :p

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I'd say ignorance is bliss :laugh:
[General Accessories] sirdowski:


This is exactly what I was looking for but unfortunately when I do this it only lists tracks under 'songs' in order, not tracks under artists also. Anyone know a way around this?
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Unfortunately I have no idea too. Maybe you can post your question under support in the neutron forum and wait for the dev to reply (can take a few weeks), or you can suggest the feature to him.
[General Accessories] sirdowski:
That's what I plan to do. Thanks, you've been a big help.
[General Accessories] boulder96:
No problem! :angel:
[General Accessories] boulder96:
Somebody post something... It's too quiet here ._.
[General Accessories] Spl4tt:
We're all listening to our beautiful earphones y'know xP
[General Accessories] mflow:
lol.

looks like everyone is enjoying their music here =)) .

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can't wait for Shure 846~ .
[General Accessories] Spl4tt:
Yes <3

Hmm. but I don't know about the Shure SE846. Until now I didn't like the signature of shures. Also the pricetag is a little bit high for a quad-driver system.

but the SE535 where already pretty expensive... expecially compared to the TF10, wich are selling new for 200$ now
[General Accessories] boulder96:
$1000 is too pricy for a universal though. Better to go with customs :highfive:

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Haha! ^o^ Lol!

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I had a recent conversation with my friend and I Loled so hard at her when she told me that her q-jays where the first IEMs in the world with 2 BA drivers. Bet she has never heard of those with 8 drivers!

Anyway, what do you guys think of JAYs? I see them everywhere nowadays. Gives me an eyesore
[General Accessories] mflow:
JAYs? they are nice! i got A Jays One (the cheapest one) , was my first IEM after a Beats Knockoff , LOL .

it has this warm signature, a bit boomy bass, with this warm vocal. it's pretty nice actually :D

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abt custom stuff, i.. don't really like customs =))

hmm, different music taste maybe :) . i love the 215LE, and the 535. i got a TF10 either, and they got different sound-sig :) . while 215/535 is more 'flat', TF10 is 'rocking' .

little high for Quad Driver? what about IE800? $1000 for Single Dynamic? lol.
[General Accessories] Spl4tt:
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probably.. though I liked the SE215, they sounded pretty nice.

Yes. 1000$ is far too much for a quad driver universal. the UE900 is also only 400$ and quad driver.

And hey, my Heir 8.A with EIGHT drivers were 1300$. The 4.A go for 630$. And both are custom...

Also the 4.Ai universals are only 399$ and are also quad-driver. And I guess you already heard by now how amazing they are?

Oh, and I +1 that the shures sound "flat" while UE's sound "rocking". really good description, and I like the fun rocking sound of the TF10 definitely more :)
[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
Guys. NeutronMP> ALL OTHERS. I have fallen in love with 64 bit audio! Shame my old Desire HD only has a 1 GHz CPU otherwise I'd use it as a media phone

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
I tried one and it actually sounds like the W4R. Dark and bassy. However the a-jays 4 have less sound stage and clarity and not as detailed. The treble is also a little sibilant(?)

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Of course!

By the way, in the audio hardware tab, there's these two settings called HW and SW Latency. I've got no idea what they really do, but is it something related to the buffer size? Changing it to the lowest possible value does not cause any stuttering audio at all. :confused:
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Yeah, you can get a UM Miracle for a about $950. Or an ES5 for the same amount.

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[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
I'll say one thing, Neutron player is God's gift.

64 bit audio

Cross feeding enabled

EQ'd to enhance the mids and highs, and deepen those lows

Gapless enabled

Dithering enabled

Audiophile CPU setting.

Using only 320 KBps & FLAC's

Just thought I'd post my setup

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[General Accessories] boulder96:
I think dithering should only be used if you are playing 24bit files on android. It only adds to the cpu and battery usage if you enable it.:rolleyes:

If you don't have any 24bit files, then i think it's better to disable it

And doesn't crossfeeding make the sound more 'mono'?
[General Accessories] jRi0T68:
Crossfeed feeds some small volume from the left channel into the right, and vice versa. Some people like it, some don't.

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[General Accessories] GuyInTheCorner:
Yeah , I turned dithering off and found battery to be much better .

IMO crosfeeding gives it 'space'

I'll try with it off & see ...

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[General Accessories] maxipein:
320kbps mp3 is kinda useless.

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[General Accessories] mflow:
abt customs or anything else, well, it is "personal preference matters" lol. me my self, i don't really like custom :) , eventho i'm quite interested in having a Miracle, and then i heard about this 846 =)) . and now rumors are saying that UM will provide 'reference fit' for their 'customs' , for a cheaper price of course

back to personal preference :D . i'm not this "BA Amount" Freak :) , i love how a Single Driver ER4B sounds :p , how dual BA 232 sounds :p . it's all back to subjective opinion, and personal preference :)

Miracle here is $1100 =)) .

still better than beats stuff:D
[General Accessories] maxipein:
The number of drivers is only one thing, if they dictated the quality then.... a pair of ADDIEMs would sound the same as a pfe232 :laugh:

Quite a steep price :p

Many, many things are better than beats and cheaper(I'm not just talking about headgear :p )
[General Accessories] mflow:
i second this one :D , i don't really care abt the driver count (unless driver count = improves sounds quality, OR at least giving me the sound that i want), a XBA-4? Quad Driver? ever tried this one? it *sorry* sucks.

my friend got several 'single driver' high ends, such as the Kuro and IE800. or a Quad BA with $1300+++ Pricetag such as the 334. you just can't say something like

"hey, $1300 is way to expensive! i can get a Quad Driver for $200! or i could get a 6 Driver for $700!" (XBA-4 here is abt $220 in bargain)

it's all back to personal preference :D
[General Accessories] maxipein:
Not a fan of Sony iems either. Ok for bassheads I guess.

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[General Accessories] mflow:
that's why, how people like earphones/IEMs/Headphones = back to their 'ears' liking :D .

been listening to Fostex TE-02WP lately, i dunny how to describe this IEM, it sounds like.. K3003, baby K3003 =))
[General Accessories] Spl4tt:
Well, i just don't really believe that those shure's will sound better than, for example, the UM Miracle, wich is even less expensive
[General Accessories] maxipein:
I think it'll have pretty good mids though, being a Shure.

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[General Accessories] mflow:
that's why, sometimes, you'll need to hear it 1st :) . can't blame you for 'sound better' stuff, we have different ears and music taste :)

i love how the miracle sounds (yes, i tried Miracle, Mage, Merlin, and Miracle being my favorite) , and also some high-ends like 334, or the Kuro, which has their own 'characteristics' , while i do prefer 334 than Miracle for being so relaxed sounding, and Kuro for being so brutal for accoustics, Miracle has this own characteristics.

Subjectively, i prefer 334 for mainstream music usage. Miracle for Monitoring Stuff, being it 'so normal' characteristics. Kuro (a '2' Driver, 1 Active, 1 Passive) , for a brutally, super accurate acoustics sounds :) .
[General Accessories] dumpsterdive:
I don't disagree about the $1K universal, but it's not just about the number of drivers. It's about what kind of drivers, and also what crossover.

It's unsurprising the UE's are the cheapest, because they're playing the driver numbers game for people who gravitate to that thinking (the same sort of idiot who say "64bit audio" is amazing). It's also the crappiest for a good reason, because they leave out a lot of the stuff that makes having multidrivers worthwhile - like a crossover worth a damn, and the sound and fit issues that come with a 'passive crossover' (aka letting the driver fire through their own holes).