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[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
yup, both CPU/GPU will be slower than One S if it is real using the Qualcomm S4 Plus MSM8930 Dual 1.2G but I doubt that because it will happen the case on One S(S3) again, a great smartphone with slower cpu and terrible sales result.

The M7/M4 will both likely using the technology similar to Foveon X3 RGB 3CMOS on DSLR. It means 3 x 4.3M CMOS combined together to output a 13M photo, you get perfect color and white balance reproduction this time. However, low light and high ISO might be even worse because three CMOS there to share the aperture now, the photo should be darker and more noises appear.

It is absolutely a killer to Nokia Pureview808 and the upcoming Nokia Lumia 950(WP8 with Pureview808) in summer but might not be on the same boat with original One X/S and Nokia 920 which targeted at low lighting environment. I'll see how M7/M4 to handle low light with this new 3CMOS because low light is more important to me.
[HTC One S] gock:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

If you care about low light that mufh, why don't get a dslr?
[HTC One S] djsubtronic:
Because often when one is in low light conditions and wants to take pictures, they don't usually have their hefty DSLR kit with them. People only carry that stuff around when it's planned. If you go out for some drinks in the evening and want to take some pictures, the One S works wonders, and hence I actually really appreciate its ability to take decent pics in those scenarios without a flash.

Looks like I'll either be skipping an upgrade this year and stick with the One S, or sadly move to a different brand. Unless the M4 turns out to be different.
[HTC One S] CurbThePain:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

Yes, and the lower processing speed will in fact increase the battery life too...
[HTC One S] Terminator19:
Here are some photos of the M4:

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_m4_appears_in_front_of_the_camera_for_the_first_time-news-5498.php

The M7 specs/design has been confirmed:

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_m7_to_launch_on_march_8_in_france_priced_at_650-news-5496.php

I imagine the black M7 will be similar to the black m4. M4 looks quite curvy/ergonomic and a bit thick so it looks like it will feel comfortable/nice in the hand.

By the looks of it, the speakers are on the front of the M7 too :cool: Also I am glad that they aren't going any bigger than 4.7".
[HTC One S] djsubtronic:
That definitely can't be the successor to the One S. What an ugly fat plastic looking phone! Surely that would be placed somewhere in the lower mid range.

Also the hardware keys layout looks the same as the current gen, I thought HTC was going to put the home button on the right.
[HTC One S] Vauix:
The one S never sold that well, so why would they stick to the same design? But by the looks of it I thin the M4 will be alot cheaper than the M7 (I mean more than the difference with the One S and one X).

But I will likely go for the M7, not sure if ill wait for the GS4 though.
[HTC One S] djsubtronic:
The One S didn't do well first due to mass chipping issues, and then due to HTC switching it to an S3 CPU variant in most markets, and still charging the same as the S4. In terms of the design alone, it was highly praised.

Regardless of that, in a market now filled with really sleek phones, how do you they expect such a thick phone to sell extremely well? It almost looks comical how fat it is.
[HTC One S] Terminator19:
It looks like they realised their mistakes with the one S and X i.e. making the one S better on the whole and so this time are making sure that it won't happen again :p :(

The M4 is looking crap at the minute.

M7 looks fantastic, it is going to be between the M7, GS 4 and the google/motorola X phone. And the main deciding factors for me, will be:

- screen (preferably SAMOLED, could live with the M7 screen though)

- camera (want to see a big improvement in low lit shots and by the sounds of this new sensor/camera tech. in the M7, it should be very good, obviously the GS 4 will improve to and no idea about the X phone but supposedly it is using sony's new camera sensor so it should be very good)

- design (if the GS 4 has a similar design to the gs 3, then an instant no once again :()

- battery (think they are all going to be very good, GS 4 will probably be better and the X phone will be the best as motorola love to use huge batteries in their phones). The DNA has excellent battery life, better than one S, gs 3 so the m7 with a bigger battery and possibly improvements in sense V5 will be even better

- software skin (don't mind any of them except touchwiz but even if their crap stock apps still look disorganised and have no unified feel as well as a terrible colour scheme, it won't be much of a problem since Samsung devices are a heck of a lot easier to root and flash custom ROMs than htc. The X phone will apparently be stock android but with more features so much like the current RAZR devices software probably)

Regarding the design etc. of the M4, I think it looks fine, not as nice as the S but it looks a heck of a lot more ergonomic and curvy so should be nicer/more comfortable in the hand. Thickness is supposedly 9.8mm. The M7 looks the same (from the leaked shots) so perhaps it is due to the camera sensor that they are using.
[HTC One S] TheCrow1372:
Yeah all looks great but Canada sucks cuz we'll never get anything over 8mpx:(
[HTC One S] sebysebu:
it looks like M7's name will be just "HTC One" http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_will_reportedly_be_m7s_name_when_it_goes_official_-news-5510.php
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
It's not M4......... It's China ver of HTC One SV(available in HK/TW). 4.3" 800x480 SLCD2, S4 1.2G, 1G ram, 5M cam
[HTC One S] ryanshew:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

^That makes more sense...

The link I posted below explains the 1.2ghz thing. There are actually 4 versions of the s4 processor...the 1.2 looks quite sub par compared to our s4.

http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/s4/specs

HTC_One_S | Xparent_ICS_Blue_Tapatalk_2 1.06_Hboot_Downgrade | unofficial_4.2.1_AOKP_Feb7 | Komodo_Kernel
[HTC One S] djsubtronic:
In fact our One S (Adreno 225) is even better than the current S4 Plus chip listed on the site, which uses the Adreno 305 GPU. Apparently the 305 is not as fast as the Adreno 225 which the early S4 models had.
[HTC One S] hmgurbuz:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

Thanks
[HTC One S] donverse:
What I seriously hate about my One S is the capacity. I mean, yes, 16gb are enough for photos and a little bit of music, but aren't we really out of the days, when we had to watch our memory for every additional picture or song? In my opinion, it was a huge step backwards to remove the micro sd slots on most of the newer devices. I mean, I guess it makes sense marketing wise, since you can sell a phone with bigger storage for a lot more money, than it actually costs to add it. But it was just amazing to be able to add micro sd cards...

Same goes for battery, I wouldn't mind my phone to be 1-2mm thicker than it is if I had a) a bigger battery or b) the option to put a freshly charged battery in my phone and it would be up and running for the next day. Especially when I'm on vacation or travelling by train this sucks big time...

I also don't really like the design of the new phones and am really happy with my One S, now that JB runs on it.
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
HTC M7 is arrived! S4 600, OIS

del...
[HTC One S] lonelyboycs:
Chip is good enough, cams are great, screen is good too,

only the 1700 battery is the problem. I hope battery will be abt 2000 or more.

The price should be the same as one S.
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
HTC said there will be only one real flagship this time, no more the case of One X + One S happened in last year. So, it will has chance to M4 won't get the 4M UltraPixel but instead, it will has a 13M cam(Samsung cmos as same as SGS4) because the leaked news said M4 is 13M cam(though no one confirmed the source) and One X/S is indeed using with Samsung 8M cmos.

If the M4 doesn't has UltraPixel, personally I may stick with One S but the M4 may also get the imagechip2 upgrade for HDR movie, HTC Zoe and even faster focus speed.

P.S. However, Phil Roberson said M4 still has a high chance to get UltraPixel.

http://mobilenews.omio.com/mobile-p...-blinkfeed-coming-to-other-htc-mobile-phones/
[HTC One S] rekamyenom:
I'll Take the S4 when its out
[HTC One S] _-..zKiLLA..-_:
such a small battery >.< hope that changes
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
If you don't need the warranty, you can replace the One X+ 2100mah battery into One S.
[HTC One S] Dragonkind:
I also hope M4 can equip MSM8960T, 1.5 GHz...

And maybe the battery can be much larger, just like HTC E1 (2100 mAH...) :

http://www.gsmarena.com/dualsim_htc_e1_droid_headed_to_china_runs_jelly_bean-news-5734.php

And I want a microSDXC extension (64 GB), it will be better than Ville.

I can not wait for M4 anymore, please release it ASAP!!

326 ppi... It is the same as Xperia S!
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
Actually, many modern smartphone does support 64GB though they never advertise it because there are many successfully reports.

I'm waiting for M4 too but it would be a big delay I guess it. M7 is hot selling worldwide, I doubt HTC has spare time & parts to release M4 in the near future. M7 is delayed til April end in HK and the first stock is limited, they just announced it today and the whole HK is fuxking HTC for the shortage supply.

It's almost 100% sure M4 will only be hit in Q3 and HTC yesterday said there will be a Butterfly2(Droid DNA2) in Q3 comes with bigger LCD over M7, 5" or even larger.

I'm not sure if I could wait it anymore, I may just pick a M7 later.
[HTC One S] usaff22:
The DroidDNA2 would be exclusive to Verizon (hence the Droid branding) and probably a Verizon version of the current HTC One. I don't think HTC would release yet another high-end device especially against their own promise that they had made this year to stop producing too many devices.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/03/26/htc-butterfly-2-could-be-verizon-htc-one/
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
HTC TW HQ officially said it just a few days back. I've the link but it is Chinese. Yes, there will be a Butterfly2 worldwide probably Q3 end. No more one flagship.
[HTC One S] IntelligentAj:
To me this seems like a lateral move, if only because of the reduced clock speed. If it's the same S4 Qualcomm chip then I might upgrade since I can just change the kernel and OC the CPU to the max 1.9Ghz. The LTE Support would be quite useful however especially since I'm on T-Mobile. The ram and Camera as well would be a nice upgrade. I'd guess this well sell if it's a relatively cheap priced phone, otherwise there are better options in the Mid-High Market
[HTC One S] Closed Source Project:
I hope this 'leaked' device does get released and drive HTC into the ground. HTC always releases so many worthless reiterations of devices. Why can't they just stick with ONE device as a flagship. The One S is just a pathetic example. This is why I am most likely going to stay away from HTC from now on.
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
HTC put so many devices like X/XL/X+/S/V/SV in the flagship catalog is crazy but one flagship in a whole year is ridiculous either, only Apple could do that on the planet. The problem isn't how many flagships there, it's one flagship for a single series. Samsung has two flagships anytime like Galaxy and Note but they represent for two markets. Galaxy for under 5" and Note above 5". HTC now learning from it. The One is 4.7" and Butterfly 2 will go for 5" or above.

Actually, I'm very happy with my One S. I need a flagship 4.3" because I don't really like anything above 4.3" I will just use a tablet if I want a big mon. However, there is no company do flagship on this size now, only HTC M4 leave.
[HTC One S] gelo01:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

Then just go. No need to talk BS like that. If you hate HTC, then so be it. It's not like HTC should be the one that needs to adjust with your personal taste. They have their own way on getting things done, let them be..
[HTC One S] Demi O:
Why

Why can't they just release a powerful phone at 4.3 inches?? I mean come on HTC 1.2 GHz processor? U mad HTC?:mad:crying:

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I probably will still get it though because I love HTC
[HTC One S] Evil-Monkey:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

I once thought my S was too big, coming from the MTG4. I got used to it, but I wouldn't want to go any higher, its already a brick in my pocket.

I would love to see them come out with identical phones in diff screen sizes. Im not a giant so I don't need a tablet as a phone.

The only dissapointing factor on the One S phone is the internal memory and batt size. I got used to always charging but 16 gigs isn't enough space since, 1. I like having my ROM back ups available and let's face it, they're not small. 2. I don't like to stream my music, I liked having 25 gigs of music at my disposal. Not to mention how much easier it was to manage everything being able to take out the SDcard.

I might just go back to the good ol' flip phone one day hahaha

echó en Android
[HTC One S] IntelligentAj:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

You're one of the very few people I've actually complain about the One S. That's a terrible example as the One S is pretty much a flagship and is the best phone of its size. If you don't want a huge phone and don't want a tiny iPhone then the One S is where it's at
[HTC One S] TheCrow1372:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

Just a question, if u don't like HTC devices than just don't comment unless ur looking for arguments cuz I have the same opinion of Samsung but don't go around commenting on them and their CRAPPY design (plastic) LOL also the HTC ONE will and DOES smoke the Samsung Galaxy S 4 if u watch videos by Phonedog

One S/HaloBlackBaked
[HTC One S] gelo01:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

The only thing that's preventing me to upgrade to the One is probably the screen size. If only HTC would really release a phone that is almost similar to the specs of the One but limit the screen to atleast 4.3" to 4.5". Anything beyond that would be unergonomic for me, since i have little hands. The One S isn't holding me down, i mean it's really still one of the best phones of it's size, but i think it's best for HTC to still satisfy and support their midrange lovers.

This is ridiculous to say, but i think this should be (my wishlist) the specs of the M4, well at least for me:

4.3"-4.5" 720p slcd-2 display

Snapdragon S4 Pro CPU @ 1.5 GHz; Adreno 320

2 gig ram

32/64GB variant

2100 mAh battery (Atleast)

4 ultrapixel main camera; 2 mp on front

NFC and LTE

Plus the thinness and lightness of our One S then that phone would be a perfect upgrade. I hope HTC could read this. :cool::D:p
[HTC One S] IntelligentAj:
Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!

Depending on the ROM and Kernel you use you can get better performance than the One X. Most Kernels have OC to 1.9ghz
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
I think the leaked spec. of M4 is fake(S4 1.2G, 13M cam) and UltraPixel should come to mid range according to HTC UK.

http://www.talkandroid.com/152846-htc-mid-range-devices-to-receive-ultrapixel-camera-and-blinkfeed/

The M4 may uses dual core S4 1.7G with an upgraded GPU, 2G ram, UltraPixel, full HD face cam, 4.3" 720P LCD.
[HTC One S] unbenannt:
+2500-3000mah battery and that would be awesome!
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
hmmm... It's 4.3 inch only, I guess it will use the existing One X/S battery that meant the max you have is only 2100mah.
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
More news of M4 confirmed.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130419PD212.html

It will has a metal body like The One(M7) and scheduled to ship in June and on sales at Q3(probably July) worldwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)

Not confirmed but rumor said with a 4.3" 720P, 4M Ultrapixel, S4 400 CPU. For the cpu part, S4 400 can be either dual-core(1.4/1.7G) or quadcore(1.4G) according to wiki, both with Adreno 305 GPU equipped. I think for a 4.3" mon and only got 720P, the chance to use quadcore is highly questionable, dual-core is almost sure.

http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-first/#specs

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_first-review-921.php

HTC First is using Qualcomm 8930AA, Dual core 1.4G which is exactly the S4 400 Dual core 1.4G ver and also with a 4.3" IPS 720P. I think M4 will has the same screen and the cpu. OMG, I will miss the amoled on my One S. Guys please report the screen qualty on HTC First, HK won't has it for sales.
[HTC One S] usaff22:
If that is the case the Adreno 305 isn't good at all lol.
[HTC One S] gelo01:
In any way, will adreno 225 outperform the 305?
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
We not yet know the answer. It still has chance to use Adreno 320 because a couple of new smartphones are using our S4 dual core with the upgraded 320GPU(MSM8960T). Namely Sony Xperia SP, Xiaomi Mi-2A, Nokia Lumia 920T(China ver of 920).

So, it depends by HTC. If they want to keep the cost at low would go for the S4 400(MSM8930).
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
One S:

2 x500mhz LPDDR2

225GPU 125M tri./sec

HTC First:

1 x533mhz LPDDR2

305GPU 80M tri./sec

So, not only does the 3D performance, the whole system bandwidth would get slower because only single channel memory being used this time.

There are many other stuffs on M4 could not beat One S.

1. 8M camera quality outperformed 4M Ultrapixel at outdoor.

2. I don't think M4 will as thin as and light weight with One S

3. I prefer AMOLED

4. One S still own the unique design(subtle gradient from medium to dark grey) while M4 probably just a smaller size of HTC One

5. Three buttons better than two(HTC One no menu key)

6. Not as hard as One S(The micro arc oxidation). You will need a case this time. I don't use any case with my One S.

7. Not easy to repair(HTC One is suck) and very difficult to replace the 2100mah battery like One S by yourself

So, One S will still do good when M4 out. Don't worry.
[HTC One S] gelo01:
I'm not that professional about how cpu/gpu works, but i've read somewhere that the number 2/3 in adreno 2xx and 3xx are just model numbers while the other two succeeding numbers states the higher, the better. Is that really the case? Considering that, the adreno 305 is just like the adreno 205, just newer batch and slightly better.

My opinions on your point:

1. I agree. I saw the comparison between the One and One X and the outdoor pics are much better with the X. The One's pics were great, just much greater details the X's 8MP will produce.

2. I agree again. I think HTC wouldn't ever produce again a phone as light and as thin as the One S.

3. I just want to try a different type of screen. I'm not against AMOLED as it is still great, I just can't live anymore with the over saturated colors and inevitable screen burn-in.

4. Probably. Considering the leaked design of the M4, i still prefer the design of the One S, though i own the black One S.

5. That's right. It's really a pain in the a** that the home button on the One has 3 functions. For me, 3 buttons is still perfect and reasonable.

6. I also agree. I still use my One S caseless since day 1 (october 2012), yes there were chipping that came from falls but there are no bents in the body, just paint chips, though it's really isn't considered as paint..

7. I can't comment on this as i'm really scared to replace the battery myself. But reading the ifixit article about the One having a 1/10 score of repairability, i guess that will also be the case with the M4.

I guess the M4 isn't that much of an upgrade. And i always thought that the One S is a high midrange phone while the M4 is just midrange, just like other Desire series..
[HTC One S] Darknites:
Think of it like this, X25 is high end and the X05 is low end and it take at least 2 gens to make that low end better then an old high end.
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
The imagechip2(focus) a little better on M4 and it should implement an anti-shake optical system like M7. M4 actually has some advantages over One S at out door but 4M pixel is really not enough.

The adreno 3xx has OpenCL supported and I very like the HTC Zoe on M7/M4, this is one of the main reason make me want to get M4. Though we will get Sense5 in June/July but I don't think HTC will give us HTC Zoe.
[HTC One S] usaff22:
In some aspects yes. (Or many)

Open these two links and compare benchmark speeds and scores:

This chipset, used in the HTC First, has an Adreno 305

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-MSM8930-SoC.87735.0.html

This chipset is obviously used in the One S ewith the Adreno 225

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-MSM8960-SoC.86868.0.html

However I do think the M4 with OIS and the newer ImageSense chip will have better images, especially the ones taken in low light. But since our phone has an aperture/F stop of 2.0, it won't be too bad.
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
I just played the HTC One at 6pm in a phone shop, it finally arrived HK.WOW! The metal is good and very light weight! You guys won't believe it, it's even more better than One S(144g vs 119.5g) because the battery in The One is specially designed to overcome the heavy problem. I think M4 will be extremely light weight!

The Camera is excellent! I try to shoot photos to street(I stand near the door), good lighting captured! I must say I never see a small camera which capture so much lighting in! The HTC Zoe is very funny and I really love it! I almost sure I will 100% buy M4.

And I also want to say that all M4 photos on Internet is fake, the real M4 will be a full metal made smartphone. AMOLED vs. IPS? huh?

AMOLED:

1. Colour and sat. not as accurate as IPS

2. Viewing angle not as good as IPS but not much of a different

3. The panel is thinner and light weight

4. True black(good for movies) but the high light area not as good as IPS

5. At outdoor under direct sun light not as good as IPS but indoor is better because you got true black

6. White pixel draws more battery while black pixel basically consumes zero battery

7. Life cycle is shorter

8. Better touch sensitive and responsive

9. Pentile makes the resolution not as clear as IPS

10. The cost to replace the amoled panel is higher

Most folks prefer IPS instead just because it reproduces better colour and the screen is sharper. However, I love amoled on phone because I like the No. 3, 4 and 8.
[HTC One S] gelo01:
[MENTION=4006638]TheEndHK[/MENTION], so do you much prefer the amoled on the One S than the LCD on the One? Is it still better, inspite of the higher ppi and new gen slcd3 of the One?
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
In the mobile market,

SLCD1 = TN mon in any resolution

SLCD2 = IPS, resolution up to 720P

SLCD3 = IPS 1080P

I prefer amoled because it's much more convenience than slcd. I would say there are some reasons for Samsung amoled to rule the android market but most guys just said they want better colour and sharper screen.

First, I like the more responsive and sensitive of touch screen, it will really help you input text faster(more accurate when you need to type many words) and better gaming experiences.

Second, true black is excellent when you watch videos or use the phone in bed room(completely dark environment) while IPS simply just too bright with 0% brightness and hurt my eyes.

At the end, it's more light weight and thinner, that's the reason our One S can be so slim with 2012 Q1 technology. And that's one of the reason why all Samsung flagships support battery replacement and microSD and still keep the size slim.

But everything has pros and cons. Amoled colour isn't good(actually amoled got better colour range over IPS but not accurate bcoz not RGB arrangement and over saturation) and life is shorter, outdoor isn't as bright as IPS and when you got broken the panel, the cost is really high. Pentile makes the actual resolution a bit lower, 1080P amoled won't be as clear as 1080P IPS of the same ppi.
[HTC One S] usaff22:
The One S is the 119.5g one, not the HTC One :)
[HTC One S] TheEndHK:
Sure I know One S is 119.5g ......... If not I won't said The One got very impressive me by making a 144g phone even a bit light weight than a 119.5g one on hand.