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[Nexus 4 General] FallN:
Wow... my camera is clearly bad compared to the photos you guys are showing. On top of the other issues I'm getting fed up with... Ugh... Time to RMA. :(

Sent from my Nexus 4 or Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Rev 10

No problem.

Camera sample.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Mate. Manufacturers do secretly better their products. Especially if there is an abnormal amount of defective devices being returned.

Happens all the time in the auto trade.

And they wont always publicly announce an issue due to bulk recalls costing them $$$.

If someone is unknowingly happy with a defective device why make a big deal about it. Just cater to the ones that do notice.

They don't even have to announce a recall unless it could cause personal injury or damage.

To the op.

Rma mate. Its your right.
[Nexus 4 General] jutezak:
These hardware revisions are not 'defects' in the common sense. Most just improve the manufacturing yield.

Some changes from the service manual in Rev. 10:

- put 1 pf capacitor on power supply pin for Xtal oscillator (increase yield or better wifi quality)

- remove tuning network on wifi antenna (probably antenna was redesigned for production, cost saving)

- create test point for mic bias voltage (manufacturing and testing ease)

- wireless charger, resistor added (probably a real bug)

- remove resistor in power supply line for modem

- remove 2 GPIO line from AP to ??? (removal of feature)

- connect a diode from JTAG connector to reset line (manufacturing and testing ease)

- remove a power regulator (cost saving)

- remove transistor from power supply charger circuit (cost saving)

Mind you, these are going from a prototype to a production model. "Getting the final bugs out".

As to exchanging: say you've bought a 2012 Ford. You notice the 2013 probably is better but you do not feel exactly what is better. Are you entitled to an exchange if your 2012 model is not defective?

FWIW I owned a Sony-Ericsson K750. When it came out it had a great camera for its time. When I bought it, there was a note with it 'camera quality may vary per device, this is normal'. What they did: cost saving by putting in a much worse camera with a tiny sensor. Not every revision is an improvement; the earlies may even be better as they are needed to please the reviewers.
[Nexus 4 General] peppe.desire:
Yes, that's sure, but is also sure that who has a problem with its phone has right to ask its replacement, regardless HW_REV. I don't know if you have seen photos taken from my Nexus 4, in previous pages.
[Nexus 4 General] steviewevie:
But that's nothing to do with this thread, right? If you have a legitimate problem then of course you have a right to get that fixed. But the original question in this thread was about getting your phone replaced just because you don't have the latest hw rev.
[Nexus 4 General] peppe.desire:
Yes, because i thought that my problems were due by the HW_rev
[Nexus 4 General] VivaErBetis:
Well, I will not change mine cause it works perfectly well but the change of the PCB to show the charging status while wireless charging is enough for those that will use this feature to ask for an RMA. It should be as easy as tell SAT that you can see it in another n4, so yours must be broken.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
So thats why google are replacing peoples phones, sometimes 6 phones to the same person. Sometimes the same people that say the phone is perfect I might add :eek:

And your car analogy is a bad case sorry.

But if that 2012 model did have a legitimate defect, say the bodies of a certain batch received no corrosion coating and then the body started prematurely rusting, you would then get the "revised" 2012 model and if that was no longer available then you would get the 2013 model by law.
[Nexus 4 General] jutezak:
Put it another way - the 2013 model may be a bit more quiet, or a bit more efficient, or it may have a new feature.

That does not mean the 2012 is deficient.

That there is a difference does not mean that one of them is 'wrong'.

BTW what is meant by seeing charging status on Qi? My rev 10 phone clearly shows 'charging' when on the Philips Qi pad.
[Nexus 4 General] Tricepz:
The people who are ordering the phone these days get REV 11 or there is a newer rev?

My 8GB nexus 4 is Rev11 and i got it on this month (2013) ..

Just wondering if theres any differences.
[Nexus 4 General] io53:
Rev 11.
[Nexus 4 General] DrunkFuX666:
I've been trying to live with the horrendous mic buzz for the past couple of weeks... But finally decided I need to RMA... It had a small spot of light bleed at the top of the screen but it really didn't bother me... Apart from that was pretty happy with the phone... Even the lens rattle I know is quite normal which I have... But this buzzing... Aarrrgggg...

I'm on a rev 11 made in Korea by the way... And as others have pointed out its strange that some devices have the problem while others don't... But I'll definitely say one shouldn't RMA just for a newer Rev... Only for a proper defect then go for it... Not like your getting the phone for free to live with a busted one...

Having said that let me point out that Google IS aware of this manufacturing problem and has Extended its Refund/exchange period for this phone... Normally its 30 days but they are offering more time to exchange... I know this because I asked for a RMA on exactly 30 days from delivery because I couldn't bare with it no more... And they told me about the extended policy...

Bottom line... Google KNOWS the phone has SERIOUS issues... If you have a problem then claim it... If not then hang on to what you have because there is no surity the new phone will be problem free...
[Nexus 4 General] Gvr4-330:
I just got a Rev 11 Nexus 4, but if it is proven that the Rev 12 works with the Nokia chargers, I will be trying to RMA my phone because I've also got a Lumia 920 and two Nokia chargers at home. I was hoping the late-production Rev 11 would work, but it's still not working properly.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
Don't really know if you are correct. The 30 day thing is for buyers remorse. The year warranty is different. If you elect to return your phone because of defects it doesn't matter as long as you are in the year warranty period. If I were to ask for a refund now Google would give it just like I got finally with the nexus 7 after all the crappy screen lift problems I had with multiple units. I am not saying I'm getting a refund for the 4 by the way. I love this phone but Im ocd and the screen problems I've had or glass and exterior defects present on the phones they sent me caused me to exchange multiple times. I'd never return the phone because of a hardware revision change. Just don't give me a phone with dead pixels or dirt under the screen or a device that freezes and reboots regardless of the ROM used. Don't exchange just because you didn't get a faster bin device or a different how revision.

Sent from my often RMA'd Nexus 4, So that I can use the one I'm using now when I get the 6th and hopefully final one.
[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
Now this here. I think this isn't cool and it totally unfair to Google - you're going to try and demand a replacement because chargers made for a completely different phone don't work on the revision you own now?

I think this is a blatant exploitation of RMA.
[Nexus 4 General] EndOfTime8:
Rev 12

Is rev 12 already available? Is there someone who has one?
[Nexus 4 General] DrunkFuX666:
Hmmmm... I don't know dude... as far as my understanding goes, you can't NORMALLY return any product after more than a month for a defect UNLESS its a known issue... getting something fixed within the 12 month period for warranty is different from returning Or getting a new replacement phone...

I'm wondering the same... last iv heard myself , its still rev 11 as the latest... first time reading of a rev 12...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Q
[Nexus 4 General] jfabaf:
My Nexus 4 16 GB rev10 has this issue:

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It rattles a lot. Do you think it is normal?

Thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Normal for maracas.

Not a phone. Return time.
[Nexus 4 General] CrazyPeter:
No you are sensible.

Clearly a new revision only increases the liklihood yours will be problem-free. If you have a good Rev 10, Rev 11, or whatever, stick with it, you may end up worse off, even with a later rev. (which is why some idiots are going through 6 or 7 devices, they are desperate to get back to where they started from).

If something works, don't try and find problems with it, you will only end up going insane....
[Nexus 4 General] coloxim:
al nexus 4 has...
[Nexus 4 General] jutezak:
The result will in any case be that manufacturers will be more closed about changes to products.

Most likely no revision labels any more on the box or readable by software.

By the way, after version 1.2 there will be version 1.3... keep exchanging!

As for not chargeing on a certain charger: Qi is a fairly new technology, and it is likely that the standard was not airtight yet. But then, in buying it we are early adopters...
[Nexus 4 General] Gvr4-330:
I don't think you have it right. I would be RMAing it because a phone designed to charge using a QI-certified chargers won't charge with another QI-certified charger.
[Nexus 4 General] io53:
According to the QI-alliance every nexus will charge from all QI chargers except the Nokia DT-900.
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

An interesting service document appeared here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37120904&postcount=42516

I've had a good look at this and these are the fixes I can pick out:

1) Additional screening added to a bit of circuitry near the top of the phone to "improve defect of buzz noise". Presumably this is the buzzing we can hear in the earpiece. This was introduced into production from the 18 December. Some rev 1.0 phones will have this fix and all rev 1.1 will.

2) Rev 1.1 has a wireless charger fix. There is scant detail really, at a guess it looks like when rev 1.0 phones are completely off, and are placed on a wireless charger, they will charge but show no indication. When rev 1.0 phones are charged via USB cable and are completely off, they show a battery charge symbol on the LCD display. Rev 1.1 will also show the charging indicator when off and wireless charging. (Not 100% sure this is what the change means but seems to indicate that.)

3) A couple of other wireless charging modifications on the board, one for antenna matching for charging, and another change for better NFC antenna matching. Not sure how that relates to the real world but likely rev 1.1 phones will have better compatibility and charging speeds on wireless. (Is this why the wireless charger has been delayed until these production fixes were out?)

4) Rev 1.1 has a change to the headphone socket so the phone wakes up when inserting a headset with microphone.

5) Camera flash mods. Changes for ESD protection, however looking at the circuit board pictures a bit more has gone on than the change note indicates. I suspect we have fixes here for reported cases of the phone rebooting or freezing or the camera flash remaining stuck on when taking a photograph. These fixes are in rev 1.1.

6) A fix for "no power on" symptom caused by damage to the power management IC. The fix is a preventative one by changing 2 capacitors, however anyone already affected will require a new board as the power management IC is permanently damaged once the no power on symptom is evident. This is on rev 1.0 board since Nov 12 but no actual day indicated.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] kzoodroid:
That's strange as I have a Nokia DT-900 charger and it charges the phone just fine.
[Nexus 4 General] io53:
But it starts/stops charging in the beginning right?
[Nexus 4 General] kzoodroid:
The light on the charger doesn't turn on and off but the "charging" text on the screen does for about a minute. But I can go from a 60% to 100% charge in about an hour so I don't think its stopping and starting. Its a pretty small charger and if I had it to do over I would get a bigger pad for the phone to sit on, its slide off a couple times on a notification vibration.
[Nexus 4 General] aichemist:
So I own a Rev 11 and still have buzzing sound. Does anyone know if Rev 12 has any improvement on that ?
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

The service document states "improve", it is hard to know for sure if this is a translation problem (there are translation errors and bad grammar throughout) so really they mean fixed, or it is just "improve". There is also no guarantee that just because you have rev 1.1 you have that fix, simply because the fix isn't related to circuit board changes. The only way to know for sure would be to dismantle the phone.

The service document doesn't really explain in any detail what the bug is, or what the fix achieves. They just say, "HW Rev 1.0: When you charge by wireless charger, it does not display anything" and "HW Rev 1.1: When you charge by wireless charger, you can check the status in the LCD" The fixes are titled "Auto Boot on for Wireless Charge" and "Auto Boot On & Antenna matching for wireless charge".

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
I have 2 rev10's one is mine one is my fiances. I love them best phones I've owed by far and ive owned quite a few smart phones. No defects at all on either one. So to the op unless u have a defect your request is one that's unreasonable. Lots of people have just now been able to order and deserve to get their phones first. Now like I said if u have a true defect then yes u have a reason to RMA. Btw my coworker just got a rev11 a couple weeks back from tmobile and it has a buzzing in the earpiece. So its phone specific if u have a defect not rev specific.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 General] nbell13:
This is the singular stupidest thread I have ever seen on XDA. Throughout time.
[Nexus 4 General] DrunkFuX666:
That can only mean you haven't seen enough or spent enough time on XDA :P

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Q
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
He obviously hasn't seen the broney thread yet :p

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[Nexus 4 General] stealthj:
I will be RMA'ing my rev 10 thru LG. My phone heats up to the point where I can't hold it anymore!! And I think my battery is defective.. it only lasts about 3 hours... always running hot even with screen off
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Only rivaled by the "this broke in my pocket without anything touching it. Disregard the obvious impact damage” or " these scratches! And I baby it and it never touched dirt or got dropped on rocks which are the only substance harder than glass to scratch it" threads.
[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
Have you considered that your charger is the item with the defect?
[Nexus 4 General] nbell13:
Nope. I may go searching for it now.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Here u go http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=29041552

While u are in off topic check out the off topic bacon appreciation thread or the official I'm so drunk ID better post here thread :p;):rolleyes:

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[Nexus 4 General] zakoo2:
omg lol what has become of xda? :D

sent from my Nexus 4...
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Freaking retarded Lol the off topic area can became disturbing place :p:D

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[Nexus 4 General] peppe.desire:
No one said you to come here and comment. Go away ;)
[Nexus 4 General] Kenneth131:
I actually fond this thread very informative especially the service update. Kudos for the upload.

I have a 301 rev11 and have the buzz. Not bad by any means but you can hear it on calls. Also squeeky power button and loose volume rocker.

I'll keep an eye on it all and see how it gets on but I was wondering if anyone has issued a RMA after the initial month.

Say 4 months down the line. How do Google handle this. Do they send a new phone or do they get yours sent for repair?
[Nexus 4 General] TrevSo:
Just for the record, I ordered one on the 30th and it arrived Friday. I checked and it's a rev 11.
[Nexus 4 General] Jsparta26:
Ordered mine Friday. Hoping that mine doesnt have these defects I've been reading about.
[Nexus 4 General] cyanide911:
I'm sorry for asking such a trivial question, but after 15 mins of searching I cannot find that thread which gave a method to check HW_REV on the nexus 4. Can someone link me to it?
[Nexus 4 General] stormtroopercs:
Volume down + power button when device is off.
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
I just tested my rev 1.0 on my Maxell pad while off and it does display the charging symbol and the graphic showing how full the battery is.
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

Thanks for the update, the document doesn't really explain what the original issue is exactly. Judging by the change in some of the components it might just be a compatibility issue with some chargers, or just to make it more reliable. Sometimes the circuit design is found to be borderline so some changes will be to improve reliability.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] spooke:
Bought mine on the 30th,

Mine was made in January 2013 in Korea, it's rev_11.
[Nexus 4 General] ChongoDroid:
I like that mine is old school.. faster rev 10 = keeper

Nexus 4G
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
As far as I can see there's nothing major hardware defect there.

Mostly just wireless charging compatibility improvement.

So if you have a rev_10, it is totally good unless yours has REAL defects.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
I have a rev10 and I couldn't agree with u more.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 General] Hubertsng:
Well you can't get a replacement after 15 days soo.... you can't get a rev12 if you have a rev10.
[Nexus 4 General] m4r0v3r:
rev11 and i dont care :D
[Nexus 4 General] Selmak:
Get real people

I have a rev10 unit built in December. It works just fine. If I shake it really hard I can hear something rattle. Guess what? I don't shake my phone! When the display is lit showing a very dark image I see a very slight bit of light bleed near the top edge. Guess what? I don't care. That is the only time I can see it, and it is very minor. Nothing in life is perfect.

At least one issue people are complaining about is in fact NOT a hardware issue. People don't seem to like the slightly yellow tint of the display. This is not a defect. It's just the way LG set the colors. You can easily change this. You will need to root your phone. Then install Franco's Nexus 4 Display Control app. Open the app, and set the colors to 238, 228, 240. Problem solved.

Also I'd like to point out that just because a manufacturer makes a revision does not mean that you are entitled to a replacement phone. That is rediculous. Unless you have an actual defective phone you are not entitled to anything. If LG decides to improve the quality of the camera that does not mean you deserve a new phone! If your camera is defective that is different, but honestly let's get realistic. Any production product goes though multiple revisions and upgrades throughout it's production life span. Progess doesn't freeze just because you bought version A. Version B is going to come out, and if you wanted version B then you should have waited. Welcome to being an early adopter.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Well I got mine from the very first batch. rev_10 and made in November.

No defects at all. OK maybe it rattles a little bit but too bad I play the piano not maraca so it's no use.
[Nexus 4 General] TrevSo:
Mines rev 11 and I see zero problems with it. The phone works amazingly well so I see no need to try to get a "rev 12" for whatever slight changes they may have made.
[Nexus 4 General] DrunkFuX666:
It says on the website you can't get a replacement after 15days... but in reality that period is 30 days... despite that... because of the various so called problems on this phone... mainly the buzz and screen issues... they are offering a extended warranty on this for replacement... I just asked for replacement at exactly 30 days... that's when they told me some products like the N4 are falling in the extended warranty...

But ofcourse noone should abuse that just to get a newer revision...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Q
[Nexus 4 General] Evil_enc:
I have that too... it's normal I guess
[Nexus 4 General] io53:
Every phone with auto focus rattles.
[Nexus 4 General] Kenneth131:
I think the glaring issue is that the phone being sold as having wireless charging abilities yet omitting to state Qi compliance means they don't have to replace anyones.

However doesn't mean its not unreasonable that every handset should poses the same capabilities.

If a camera module was replaced and produced better pictures wouldn't that make yours eligible for a repair as you would argue your camera takes bad pictures compared to your friends.

Now we are all techies here but the Joe public won't know any better and when X shows their friend Y how his charges using his Nokia DT 900 pad and Y finds it will not don't think Y would assume his is faulty and ask for a repair.

Also I know components all change and better or cheaper ones get swapped in and out but to find the changes were made to fix a fault or niggle which then makes all others look potentially faulty LG have to assume many will be sent in to have this fixed. Either that or they are counting on people not noticing.

Also yes my nexus 4 also rattles. And yes it is the cameras auto focus. Its normal.

If you want to check it grab your mates iPhone 5 and shake. It will also rattle. It too is fine.
[Nexus 4 General] Wesleylau:
Get some light or use flash, you will take better picture. Your camera has no problem.
[Nexus 4 General] nbell13:
OH. MY. GOD.

Anyone wanting to know if someone is a sex offender need only check the serious posters in that thread.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Hahha That's so true.

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[Nexus 4 General] Selmak:
No it would not mean you are eligible for anything. Unless your camera is not working according to it's original specifications you are not entitled to anything. Products change and improve as time goes on. All you are entitled to is that your product functions according to it's original specifications, and is not a safety hazard in any way. If your phone came with camera version 1, and the next version of the phone comes with camera version 2, that is simply too bad for you. Why is this so hard for people (not Kenneth specifically, so don't get offended) to understand? The sense of entitlement people have these days is aburd.
[Nexus 4 General] Kenneth131:
Selmak no offence taken. Although you kind of took it out of context.

What I meant was Joe public. Whom most do not realise there are and always will be revisions to hardware.

They simply make judgements based on comparison and if their friends phone does something better than theirs they automatically assume theirs if faulty and take it to a shop where the sales assistant doesn't know any better and would likely send it for repair or swap it out for a new one under the impression its Faulty as not performing to the same level as a comparable unit.

Right or wrong thats happens. My friend had this with a phone which used two cam moduals one Sony the other Samsung I believe.

They didn't realise there were two different cam modules or anything it was simply a case of 'yours looks better than mine'

So

When they showed their friends a pic it was somewhat better on the other handset.

So it was taken back to store where the sales assist replaced it.

Again I'm not saying ones right and ones wrong I'm just stating what actually happens.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] jhericurls:
Got the new batch from Google today still rev11. Its a "fast" chip and doesn't like undervolting at all. Selling on the rev11 and keeping my old rev10 which has the faster chip and undervolt no problems.
[Nexus 4 General] DrunkFuX666:
What do you mean a fast chip and not a "faster" chip...?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Q
[Nexus 4 General] jhericurls:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2052496