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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
I think an upvote and down vote system like reddit would work wonders here.

with a exception that after say twenty or so down votes the reply would be removed from a thread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
That's a great idea!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Did you get that idea from the up and down buttons at the bottom of each post? lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shahrukhraza:
Love the reply! But don't know if mod like you should have done it...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electro`:
Time to grab some popcorn and go to the Note 2 section...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spjetrovic:
Sound like a bunch of happy campers. What happened?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cmoG530:
Indeed what you say is true, but it's a double edged sword. Darned if you do and darned if you don't. Neither solution ends the problem, so something new must be put in place. You'd think that the post count for new members would help, but it doesn't. People blame "elitists", but there wouldn't be any if people took the time to read. Like Dank said, if you have the time to come on here to either root or customize your device, you MUST have the time to do some reading and it doesn't even have to be a lot at that. I tell you this, I'd feel quite foolish if I came on here, rooted my device via some one click root method and not know what in the world to do next or how to. Also, let's not forget XDA new comers BIGGEST asset...YouTube. :thumbup:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
no, did you read my post?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
[..] Please read post #83 From Mod AndyHarney..This is the best advice anyone can give. If you spot a user who "demands" things without bothering to look for themselves, report them & ignore them.

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Please correct if i am wrong. The OP could easily be thought of as demanding help\change here at xda. According to the best advice (until something better is devised by xda) the OP and probably everyone who thanked him/her could be reported since the easily found answer is ignore and report. Should these people be reported? No, i am sure they are all good people, just frustrated. But can we please just let this thread die until our leaders can give us something better?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we have already come to the conclusion that you are a self-proclaimed troll and nobody takes you seriously. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
Pal i'm trying to make peace here. Wouldn't we all be better off to just let it die until a better plan is devised? I forgot who called me a troll and i said sure why not. But the mod gave us his best answer, can't people just go with that?:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
Lets not get into this please. My prior statement on this still holds true. You will both go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I did, did you look up how the up/down vote buttons here on XDA work?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Sure, I'll let it go but if I do I really would appreciate you just leave. Nobody but you is requesting this thread to die. Everyone else is still posting their viewpoints and ideas about things, there is no controversy besides the comments you post that create it.

If you do not like this thread then why do you feel so compelled to return?

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I'm done, I said what I needed to in my comment to him above this one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Up/down vote is a descent idea, but it's already been implemented and doesn't help anything.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
I can\will do that. See ya later.:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sveke:
I think it's fine in here. People just need to thicken their skin and not get all butthurt all the time.

Most of the comments that start flame wars are funny...gotta admit.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Thank you, I couldn't agree more. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
Yeah they dont work like they do on the for mentioned Reddit, were any comments and be down voted. I even said Reddit in the first post, I already knew how they work on xda and they dont work like on Reddit.

Funny is all this is exactly why down voting comments are needed here

Edit: lol

Edit : not present on tapatalk or viewable on chrome for android
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BretonGirl:
Allow me to translate:

"If someone says something someone else finds hurtful or upsetting, so what? We should not be responsible for our behavior. Instead of being expected to treat others with respect, others should just shut up and take whatever we dish out. Other people's feelings don't matter."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I don't think that was the reference he was trying to make.

More-so that if someone asks a question that has been asked and answered 20+ times in the last week and they are responded to by people with the recommendation to use the search function and read over the previous page.... they should not blow it out of proportion and act as though we are intentionally trying to be rude and upsetting to them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Orionstein:
So what you are saying is that xda is becoming as terse as Reddit?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
um?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] amf100:
People may not realize it, but some folks hit reply on the original post because they have a question and don't want to go looking for something. This means they often never saw the page their post lands on with the answer 1 page back. People can be lazy ya know. People getting bent out of shape about a basic component of human behavior is understandable, but mostly pointless. It has always happened, and likely always will. We can't control people being lazy, but we can control whether or not we give it attention out of anger/frustration. Just ignore them, and if some "kind soul" wants to give em the answer, big deal. No puppies are murdered in the providing of answers to the lazy lol.

In a more socio-economic sense, XDA members should realize that Android as a platform has surged globally. This means millions more users. With 1 click toolkits and manufacturers making unlocking bootloaders and rooting so much easier than it ever used to be, members should basically expect to see the community both grow AND change. With swarms of not as tech savvy Android users wanting to still get the most out of their phone, there will certainly be an increase in the described behavior.

It's like when there's a local band that people love. The band becomes famous and the original fans call all the new fans wanna bes and bandwagoners. They want their band/fan experience to be like it was, not really caring that more people like the band and this means more exposure, money, and reach for the band. As the fan base grows and diversifies, the band can't just cater to the original fans. Popularity often invites mediocrity.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
:starts slow clap:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] strumcat:
Repetitive noob questions are maybe 20% of the useless garbage. Threads like this are the other 80%.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
So you ironically contribute to the problem by posting?

Why did you come here? Everyone else is here pointing out real problems, you only came to complain about a thread you could have easily passed up. The fact you can ignore a thread completely and not have to see it's contents means it is in no way an issue like dealing with repetitive questions.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qazibasit:
I would like tobadd something here, some people dont find the old topic where the same question is posted. On the browser version of xda they can see all the old topics but in the app it only loads the newer ones. So maybe thats why there is duplication of the topics.

As far as duplication of the same question in the same topic is concerned, ur right they dont read the whole post.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
This is the way xda has been since I've been here... Nothing new just the usual Rtards gunking up the works... You can let it get to you I suppose but it won't change it...I just kinda stopped gaf
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slayr76:
I totally agree the only thing more retarded are the people in this thread even talking about such things as if its something new in xda or any other forum, some people just need to get a life an stop whining about every little thing in their pathetic existance, lucky I'm not a mod or most of you would be gone by now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jadephyre:
I call B.S.

With the growing popularity of smartphones things have only gotten worse, so don't give us this "that's the way it's always been" crap.

Also, good that you're not a mod, seeing as you would abuse your privileges.

Snide comments like yours are just as out of place as the kids coming in here asking for someone to hold their hand.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sveke:
Delete
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
I doubt you'd hurt peoples feelings, but your language is unacceptable.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sveke:
You're right, I woke up a little squirrely.

Deleted

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I said since I've been here, it may not have always been that way but I've been here since Oct 2010 and that's how is been. Never said it wasnt getting worse just that it's nothing new, that's just FYI regarding my comment :3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I've seen your posts here in the forums your conduct is rude alot of the time and that really is not beneficial. Try speaking with a little respect and being helpful, calling people names and their lives pathetic is not really appropriate or positive. There are better ways to state your opinion about something. Your post is evidence of why nobody will ever have to worry about you being a mod. Try to act like an adult in the future.

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Actually I've been coming here since the end of 2009 and signed up in Aug 2010, this was not how it used to be. Over the last six to eight months its become this bad.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Selective reader :P as I said, didn't say it hadn't got worse but it's always been there and is that way in many many a forum. People getting upset over it is pointless
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Actually I read exactly what you said, I just disagree.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
We didn't really disagree that it's getting worse as XDA gets bigger. If you wanna pretend its a new thing for these forums then that's fine. Alot of devs said goodbye to xda for this reason about a year or so ago and went other places like rootz. It's gonna happen, people don't like it then move to a smaller forum :3 sorry that's how it is
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EvilDobe:
I half agree with you & have disagree. The stupid questions is not a new thing. Is it getting worse here over time? I'd say it's remained relatively even over time. Stupid questions have existed as long as their have been stupid people. As far as devs leaving xda to go to rootz or their own forums has nothing to do with those users. Lets be realistic here. 90% of the users here on xda have an account on AT LEAST two other Android-related forums. If the stupid question isn't asked/answered here then it will get asked/answered at another forum. As someone that bounces between all the forums I would say a lot of the devs are still here, continue to make this their primary home, and they've either accepted the repetitive questions & answer them or they leave it to the more advanced users to answer. I can say if I was a dev the only thing more obnoxious than the same questions over & over is people being ridiculous in threads about those questions. Sometimes it's just easier to answer the question and move on in life. imho it's not worth it to get a sandy vagina over a repetitive question. Once we all accept the fact that the internet is making people more stupid faster than it's making them smarter the sooner things will calm down.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
I agree with you it was always here I was here for the HTC Hero days (which I believe you developed for If I'm not mistaken?)

There are just more android users here now so it is more noticeable
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
No, I lurked the g1 and hero forums when I had the g1, only 2 phones I've worked on are vibrant and nexus s till I no longer had both :P but I can't count the number of times I've answered the same questions in these forums and it's honestly easier to answer them like was said then make a fuss about it.

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Devs are still here, but some use to be more active posting wise (to clarify what I said) here vs other places and they moved to new homes for posting but still post work here. I agree it's easier just to answer the question and move on
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
First off, the picture is quite ridiculous, it only reduces the amount anyone takes you seriously because of how childish that 4chan meme rhetoric is. Now moving on from that unnecessary part of your post. Your suggestion for people to move to a smaller forum is asinine, why would I move to a different forum when the knowledge I seek is in this one? Not only is that depriving me of the things I am looking for on XDA as well as speaking to the friends I have developed on the forum, but it is in no way helping to improve the problem. Suggesting people utilize the search function and take the time to skim previous pages before asking a repetitive question that has been answered millions of times is beneficial to everyone, except for those lazy people on here that do not want to learn they just want to have everything spoon-fed to them and not work for anything.

The more you search and read for yourself the better you become and knowing what it is you want out of your device, just mimicking others settings and what they do to get certain things accomplished achieves nothing, these are the people that will keep asking. The people that actually take the advice given will up the road be the new crop of helpful members on the forum.

As I have mentioned twice before, in College and High School, do the teachers hand you a sheet with all the answers for the semester on your first day of class or do you have to actually study and learn for your grades? It's the same principal.

If everyone leaves to go to "smaller forums" then there will be no one to answer any questions at all and this forum will just implode on itself.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Suggesting people use search and going bat **** crazy over a commonly asked question are 2 diff things. I see people flip **** over commonly asked questions frequently. Even I have a few times, also I really couldnt care less of you take me seriously, that's up too you. My suggestion to move is for those who feel they absolutely can't handle it, not a get over it out gtfo deal. Easiest thing to do is to Answer the question but NICELY point out the use of the search function so they will be more likely to use it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I get that some freak out on those asking the same question, I am not one of those, a lot of the time I will answer the question and then proceed to recommend they skim the thread and use the search function. My biggest problem is when I do that half these people snap on me as if asking them to do some research for themselves is some backbreaking task that nobody on a developer forum should ever be asked to do.

Honestly, you can read pretty much any of my posts and even if I do not answer someones question I am polite in suggesting they look a little harder. The biggest problem is the reaction to this suggestion.

Don't get me wrong, I do not think it is right to just go off the wall and freak out on the people asking the question but the problem is coming from both sides and moreso on the question asking side.

As for what I said about taking you seriously, if you notice, I can have a quite civilized conversation with you and any other, I was merely trying to point out that most of us in this forum are adults and pictures like yours do not belong in a developers forum, that would be something even I would find amusing if it were in one of the gaming forums I frequent however, if put in the right context.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
I disagree here however...

I feel like we should make a pact ignoring dumb question posts, therefore making the person use the search function.

Tough love baby
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I think you might think I'm referring to you in my posts as one of the people being rude and in not lol I have no idea how you post so I can't judge im just saying in general to those who are. In regards to anyone taking me seriously, i use pictures, faces fairly frequently and I don't expect anyone too, because im not a serious person xP I'm like that online and IRL

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That works too, but people need to make this a welcoming place not a place you should fear posting something someone may find stupid. Ignoring them is fine, just don't cut them down

Edit: I personally make a habit of treating people the same online as I do IRL
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EvilDobe:
Neph I like your school analogy. That is very good. With that said... I don't know how old you are (kind of a moot point) but think back through your school days. If you wanted to know who Benjamin Franklin was you had to go to the library, find the "F" and then you could read who "Franklin, Benjamin" was and what he did. Now kids go to Google and "Who is Benjamin Franklin" and the information is presented to them via thousands of links. The same mentality is carried over to forums. It's easier to go to your favorite forum (search engine) and go into the thread (topic) of your choosing and ask the question that has been asked before & expect an answer along with instant gratification. Is this mentality right? HELL NO. Is it annoying as hell to those of us that want to learn and better ourselves? Yes.

We live in the information age where people want their information now, and they wanted it handed to them on a silver platter. It truly is annoying to those of us that are older (and wiser xD) but the fact of the matter remains that people like us are the dinosaur even at 30. Sometimes it's just easier to answer the "how do I use PIE?" or "Where did my developer options go?" questions for the sake of our sanity along with a friendly reminder to search. Telling people to search for it only pisses them off, creates unneeded drama in a thread, and probably turns devs off from wanting to share their work with the public.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I wish this would work but you know as well as I that people are going to keep helping them with a question that they could have just looked 2 pages back for. So no one is going to search anyway. We kind of have to make the suggestion in hopes that at least some actually take the advice and become one of those that will ultimately improve the forum.

I really do wish we could just sit back, have a laugh and ignore them, wouldn't that just be great. ;)

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I get what you mean, I'm 32 btw, There was no internet when I was initially in school. I was already graduated when people were still using AOL discs to get free dialup internet lmao! I am guilty of using search engines for knowledge too but that only takes us so far, we still have to read and absorb what those links take us to in order to learn. And we had to actually search in the first place. I just wish more people on here would at least do that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EvilDobe:
Dude people don't want knowledge. They want the answer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
If only right? But then you get those who are mentally 4yrs old and just repeat themselves over and over till you go nuts

And I'm only 23 and I remember actually using a library and books and REALLY learning!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tjackbjorn:
Sv: What In The World Is Going On With XDA As of Late?

Why don't just give these "n00bs" the answer they are looking for? Seems like it's super hard for you guys to help people out.

Sent from my super fast Prime filled with beans.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
seeing the same question ten times on a single page gets tiresome
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
So are you trying to make a joke or did you seriously not read a single thing anyone has said on this entire thread about people not learning a thing from having answers spoon-fed to them?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Khizar:
read this...

original post here
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slayr76:
Nephilim get over it , you arent making a difference by posting if that's what you think, if you don't like helping noobs then don't.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 02ranger:
Can we just let this topic die? I actually agree with the people saying we shouldn't spoon-feed the answers to lazy people, but the thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere constructive now. A mod has weighed in, and while discussion is great, this is turning into more of a flame-fest/beating-of-a-dead-horse thread than anything else. I just don't want to see anybody get banned or get infractions here, and I think the bickering is quickly headed that way.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Whatever you say.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tjackbjorn:
Sv: What In The World Is Going On With XDA As of Late?

So? Why don't be a nice guy and help that guy out instead of be angry on him/her?

People will keep doing it, do you seriously think this thread will change that? Or was this thread created just for complaining? Then it's a worthless thread imo.

I bet when all of you who are complaining, was noobs, you did the same. Asked a question someone already answered on the previous page. I'm sure I did it, and sometimes it stills happens. I think you're conscience will be better if you left a thread knowing that you actully helped somebody out, instead of leaving the thread and knowing that you haven't.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slayr76:
The people complaining now were most likely the same noobs people used to pick on in the past , an now that they finally figured out what most regular visitors have always known about android an rooting ect they now think their somewhat special an have the right to complain about noobs asking the same questions all the time an make pointless threads like this one, you don't have to be a phycologist to figure out how these people's minds work, yet they themselves become more annoying than the very people they complain about.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I've always been one to find my answers myself personally, I don't like to ask unless I absolutely have too.

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I don't see why you felt the need to direct that at him :3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I am actually agreeing that this thread is now worthless. It used to be about the viewpoints of the issue discussed in the OP but over the last view pages has fallen victim to children acting as though they have any idea what type of conduct we used when we were new to xda. Well that and their pointless ad-hominems.

Oh well, all of you that actually contributed something worthwhile, even if I didn't agree with it, thanks. :)

Those of you immature younger members, don't think people do not notice you act like this in every thread you're in or that we can't see how low your thanks count is from lack of helpful contribution. You are the ones nobody takes seriously so keep complaining about those of us that support and follow proper forum conduct and forum rules.

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