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[About XDA developers] DowntownJeffBrown:
Yea man this is ridiculous. This off topic thread I'm apart of is this single best most informative thread I've ever been apart of on xda. Its what got me into the rest of xda's threads. Anything I can do to help I'm here. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

My local off topic thread is one that u can cine to and ask anything and not be ridiculed for your lack if knowledge. And multiple people respond to questions and help. I come from the Nexus4 off-topic group by the way.

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[About XDA developers] SirSigma:
I'm sure the reasoning behind this decision will make absolutely no sense and will just be "This is a site for developers" as an umbrella excuse for doing whatever.
[About XDA developers] ctowne:
My thread that got the notice isn't even an off-topic thread. It's the Nexus 4 U.S. thread...
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Which raises another question.... What was the basis on the decision to be so selective?
[About XDA developers] estallings15:
As pessimistic as this sounds, I doubt anything will happen. XDA mods make decisions for the "community" without actually consulting the community. No polls. No feeler threads asking for input. There is simply a parent/child relationship. "We have the authority, so we make the rules. Don't like it? Leave."

Is it B.S.? Absolutely. Do they honestly care what you think? Unless you are a huge contributor or your username is Cyanogen, no.

I'm simply sharing what I have gathered from my time on this site. If I've offended anyone, well, I'm sorry.
[About XDA developers] DowntownJeffBrown:
Your just a big meanie estalling. :mad:

So what your saying is I should ask mike channon to change my user name you cyanogen??? ;)

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
It's not wrong for asking questions. Its who is gonna man up and answer them, or simply pull the thread and/or pass out infractions-bans?
[About XDA developers] estallings15:
Lol. Try it. I would love to see his response.

If they are going to ban users for voicing an opinion, then they can ban me first.
[About XDA developers] NsZebra:
not mi words :silly:
[About XDA developers] estallings15:
I recall a now-banned moderator telling me that once in a self-righteous rage.

That worked out well for him.
[About XDA developers] DowntownJeffBrown:
I'm right with ya

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[About XDA developers] estallings15:
Lol. I didn't get him banned, not for lack of trying mind you. He shot his mouth off elsewhere and did that on his own. It was attitude that got him. That was the point.

Cute gif, though.
[About XDA developers] motcher41:
To answer your question..and I'm paraphrasing here...the site is for developing and off topic doesn't have a place here. It involves only the lg moto and Sony threads cuz that's the forums he is in control of. Its a personal thing by him.

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[About XDA developers] DowntownJeffBrown:
Isn't it though I went straight out band saved it. I knows its gonna come in handy :D

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
If what he said were true, there would be more closings throughout the forum and not only in the 3 he mentioned. I'm still waiting for someone to speak up. Look at the threads that have been moved here. Its not the same. The one's that actually gave back to the community will soon be tarnished by their new "home."
[About XDA developers] abhipati:
We need off topic threads .its place for answers without getting bashed
[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
Yes I do realize how many members XDA has. That's what I am saying yours so big and full of it that you don't care about the every day people ie your members.

If you are telling your members to leave if they don't like it. Then you might as well make it a developers only site then this confusion wouldn't have happened the the developers can make roms for themselves. Who cares about the community. Right?
[About XDA developers] Ryno77:
We saw no harm in it and we're a pretty close group. I can't speak for everyone here but I think what really bothers us is how harmless the thread was... It didn't need to moderated. It seems totally pointless to close the thread when it was causing no issue.... Nothing that made any sense (to us) was stated when the thread was closed. It seemed 100% unnecessary. Is part of the issue the lack of moderators?

I'm not trying to be a jerk either.... Just trying to explain how we looked at this.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Actually we do care and we do listen. XDA has changed so much over the years, we have added, tweaked and improved a lot of things on XDA. We make changes for the better of XDA. We have listened to developers. For you to say we don't care is insulting tbh. What you actually mean is we haven't done what you want

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[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
And in fact, check out the XDA Change Log... after that, come back here and tell me we don't do things to change and make the site better.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't matter how harmless your thread was, it did go against the rules of XDA. The decision was no OT and your thread fell under that umbrella whether it was harmless or not. We have a place for OT and that's where you discussion should take place.

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
I have to disagree. You know as well as I do how many times throughout the site If you see where moderation is needed, then press the report button. You guys are making it out like we are the red-headed stepchild of the site. Again, its very clear that there was no moderation needed. No constant editing/deleting comments. We kept to ourselves. It's not right at all that we are the unfortunate ones to loose when there are plenty other threads that require constant monitoring.

The growing needs of what area? The traffic to the complete X2 forum has significantly reduced since the closing of the thread. Don't believe me, take a gander. It's not a secret. And if this were entirely true, it would be implemented throughout the site.

I previously mentioned that you guys wouldn't make a decision on that. But that would give you an idea that it was more than just a handful that felt this way.

This isn't my first rodeo. I do know that its not a fly-by-night operation in someone's backyard. Again: Ask the mod how may reports have been filed in the thread prior to the closing. While you're at it, ask him how much time and effort was wasted cleaning up the thread. Even better:Why not let the mod speak for himself?
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
For those of you curious

http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/introducing-the-xda-changelog/

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
He/she is free to speak

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[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
There it is again we have listen to developers not the ever day member
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
I appreciate the feedback. But, how was it breaking the rules? When you join XDA, watch the video and read the rules in Mike Channon's post....... How did we violate the rules in such a manner to close the thread? If it was stated from the very beginning, we would completely understand. It makes it look like the rules were bent to make a few people's job more "convienent" per say. By that I mean, if the "new" rules were in force, it needs to be site-wide to follow suit and have the "Rules" post updated to reflect the changes about to take place.
[About XDA developers] jotha:
Well, it's called "xda-developers" and not "xda-ever day member" forum, iirc ;)
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
It's true. I just checked :p
[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
You are correct sir the name is XDA developers :) and again you prove my point the mods don't care about there members only the developers. You think if we are not developing we aren't contributing. Which is totally wrong. :D
[About XDA developers] broncogr:
The rules were bent when your OT thread was allowed to exist in a device specific forum.

Removing the thread gets us back to following the rules.

Hence no new rules were brought into action, no amendment was needed and no changes to any rules were made.

You were even given a 24 hour notice before the thread was closed so you could either start a new one in the Off Topic section or find another way to express yourselves if so needed.
[About XDA developers] csking33:
Alright, well let's implement a rule that states to be a member and see any posts, you must write your own source code and compile it. Then watch the number of members drop by, what do you think, at least 80%? The point he's making is that it's mostly users that visit the site not developers. Unless you think the 5 mil members are all developers.

24 hours? On a thread that was open for over a year without issue? Forgive me if I do not think that is enough time.
[About XDA developers] Ryno77:
I'm curious why it took so long for all of this to come out? Seriously, were people really looking into this?
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
What type of person was the site started by? What type of person was this site originally intended for?

Without those developers, XDA wouldn't exist so what's your point?
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
So..... we were the only one's breaking the rules? You are going to hold 3 OEM's accountable out of all the devices represented here on XDA. That doesn't make good walking around sense.
[About XDA developers] broncogr:
Enough time for what exactly?

To comprehend that from now on , on those forums there will not be any tolerance in allowing OT threads?

So, how much time would be needed, in your opinion, for that to stick?

Come on, lets not just post for the heck of it.
[About XDA developers] jotha:
There is no such rule and it is not planned. Still there is a difference between people that are allowed to use xda-developers and people it was made for. And the OT-Thread users surely don't belong to that second group.
[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
Couldn't have said it better myself
[About XDA developers] broncogr:
I have quoted the official stance on this earlier in this thread.

Is there any meaning for me to quote it again?
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Oh, ffs. Mods are too polite and professional to tell you what i'm about to say. You've been given plenty of attention by many high ranked officials, you've been given reasonable answers. Now, either accept and stfu or stfu and gtfo.

To stay on the "constructive" side of the conversation, i personally don't like per team assignment. It should be either yes for all, or no for all. Consistency. But i have said it before.
[About XDA developers] Ryno77:
Can someone please answer this? It keeps getting buried before it's answered. The truth is important to me even if you think it doesn't matter.
[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
So we are just allowed to use the site but it isn't made for us. Then why even have a forum? that sounds like a place that is made for any body that contributes at all not just the devs that we love.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Because that's the way it goes here. Questions are often left unanswered for whatever reason, that we are not told. I just got used to it.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Without developers there is no XDA. Without developers, ordinary users wouldn't come to XDA. Without ordinary users XDA would still exist. If you (or I) left XDA, it would carry on regardless. As you can see, developers are more important than you or me

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Here ya go:

Then follow through with the implementation. And pardon my language, but don't half-@$$ a job. You guys are better than that. If you going to leave other device areas open, wouldn't you think that would imply our devices were treated unfairly or "singled-out?"

That's why I keep falling back on the rules time and time again. Enforce them site-wide and and hold all device areas accountable. I don't feel that we butchered the rules to close the thread. It went on for nearly a year. If it were such a pressing issue, I hightly doubt it would have made it past page one. If you say removing our thread is following the rules, you are wrong until its across the board. Until then, it was a biased decision.
[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
I agree that developer's are very important to this community but this doesn't mean that the average use or member isn't. but that is the message that the mods in this thread are sending. For all you know I showed some now dev how to root his first phone got him into android and now has increased his skills for ROM developing. I would say this is what makes a great community not just the fiscal devs. So don't tell me the members aren't important.
[About XDA developers] jotha:
Your first sentence is exactly true. Your question is nonsense, lol. Why have a forum when it is not made for you? Maybe because it is made for others.

As I and many others pointed out, xda-developers was made by developers for developers. That was around the time when I joined. All the rest came later. They were and are tolerated, and as long as they contribute and have a positive attitude are very welcome. But that never included the explicit right to post each and every .... here. In contrary, it is even prohibited by xda rules. So over time some mods have turned the other way on some forums and looked away. Things happen. Now another moderating crew decided to enforce the rules again and closed that threads. All in compliance with the rules. It is absolutely NOT important if the threads created any trouble or not, they were against the rules. So that moderating crew had any right in the world to close it. Just because you can speed in front of a police car every single day, you can't say you are right if they some day pull over, just because they didn't the days before.

That's the situation, and it will not change, no matter how long you do your whining here. Or are you really expecting that decision will be overturned just because a handful of users (in xda perspective) is complaining? Not likely :D.

So you can rant on as long as you like, but you shouldn't be astonished if you don't get any answers anymore. They were all given at least once. Move on and get over it. We will.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
The traffic to your area has reduced because devs moved on to newer devices and not because an OT thread was closed. The X2 is what? 2 years old now? Most devs will jump ship to newer devices as soon as they can get their hands on them with support for their older devices slowly fading away. As a result, their following also leave the area. Please don't be so naive as to think that a single off topic thread was the pillar of the entire area.

I still find it funny that not a single one of you has been able to provide a good reason as for why this thread should exist. Your most valid argument, which is invalid by the way, is that other fora have it. That is not a valid argument nor does it answer my question. Why does that off topic thread need to exist in the general area meant to discuss anything related to the x2? I already addressed the need to have a community of members with things in common by the use of Social Groups.

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Exactly where in my post did I say members aren't important? I said XDA wouldn't exist without developers and would carry on without you or me

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
But the police have laws they enforce that is in black and white across the board. They don't have a captain that decides they will fudge a law for a certain precinct because it's closer to the donut shop. (If we are looking at similar scenarios here.)
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Actually, different county police do have different policies as I am sure different state police in America do and so forth across the world

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[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Let me word this slightly differently for you guys.

You've said that if your device off-topic was closed, so should all others. To an extent, I can understand that.

If there's so much inconsistency within the rules, would you rather all moderators were to moderate 100% to what the rules say?

If so, every single one of us would've been banned a long time ago. After all, if we didn't search before posting we'd be gone. If we ever posted off-topic in the slightest we'd be gone.

Just within those 2 rules we'd all have been banned if the moderators were to be purely consistent, which is what you seem to be looking for.

I know of quite a few moderators who really wouldn't mind following the rules to the T and swinging the ban hammer whenever necessary.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Why a half assed job? I think I was clear enough back then... It is up to the team responsible of the area. Your mod team happens to be on the no OT side of the fence. How is this half assed? As far as I can see, the stance is bring followed to the t

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[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
What you are saying here equates to an entire city having the same exact speed limit everywhere. Different areas have different limits...

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Valid point. The mods are highly concerned about a self-maintained thread in a dying device area. So how much effort is really put into monitoring that area if all we have to do is push the report button?

My point is that you did not mention is that the thread fit before I joined, as I mentioned above. Even right now, the rules havent been updated. They are still the same since I joined and do not reflect the "bending" per say. It also doesn't say that new rules can be made on the fly. http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?a=81 One day the mod woke up and decided he is going to change something before looking into it first.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
If you guys want us to be consistent, then I will follow 15 to the t and rid the entire device areas from OT threads since you guys like to compare so much to others. And when people come to me asking why I closed them, I will direct them to this thread and all the posts complaining about OT rules not being enforced evenly across the board...

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
No sir. What I'm saying is the the limits were previously posted. They didn't change because one officer needed to make his quota.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Uhm... the by-law

That exists and is an important part of the legal system.

You're going to say that's not what you said... But it is... You said

This is an EXACT disproval. There are laws for "certain precincts" which cover this.

For example, airport by-laws, which give cops the ability to tell any vehicle to GTFO immediately if it poses a likely threat. And which prohibit the carrying of objects which would otherwise be legal to have (lead acid batteries for example)
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Yes! You can point them to my inbox! I want consistency.

And i'm not a stranger in ot btw, so it's not like i'm against ot full stop.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
I don't disagree with that at all. At the very least, you made sure the entire forum followed the rules. There is zero wrong with that at all.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
:victory:

Pulser, that would never hold up in court. Been there and done that. Good point though.

(We are also talking legal vs an internet forum lol)
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Oh for the love of Pete....

I have been an active member of the site since 2005. Off topic has NEVER been tolerated on xda. The reason why we have an off topic section was because people were flooding the device fora with off topic. As a means to contain the growing trend, off topic forum was born. People were instructed to create threads there if they wanted to talk about anything other than phones. Off topic threads created outside of this area were deleted on the spot, no questions adoes and you were lucky if you did not end up banned.

If nothing else, xda is far more tolerant of off topic now than it was 6 years ago.

Even having to deal with a single report takes away time of moderators. Reports per team come in by the hundreds per day, so yes... Resources are scarce and could be better used in attending other more important matters.

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[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
No, you meant evenly across. Don't try to sneak out of what you said.

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[About XDA developers] Ryno77:
I'll volunteer to watch the x2 area to take some of the load off :D
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Finding good people to help isn't far away. But then again: There's more manpower to accomplish screening and whatnot.
[About XDA developers] Tomsgt:
This is the most entertainment I have had on XDA in a while :D:D:D:D I can't stop checking the thread
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
That's better and what I meant to say.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Can we just get Zelender in and be done with it?

Egz, so what about consistency?
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Since we can't find some sort of an agreement here, what is wrong with following through with this:
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Thank you for further proving my point. Your main goal in here was to try and regain the ability to have an OT thread in a device forum not meant for it. You have been arguing that for the last 6 pages or so. Now all of the sudden I come along asking for an explanation and since I cannot get one I threaten to close off OT altogether and you are now ok with us closing the entire OT all of the sudden. You defend its existence yet you agree with its complete obliteration.

Thank you for proving that you have no valid point and just like I anticipated this thread is a meaningless waste of our time.

Case closed.

Want to OT? Use the OT forum. Want to create a small tight knit group? Use Social Forums. Do you like the idea of a section where OT is allowed? Migrate there.

End of discussion.

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[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Here's consistency:

Caveat utilitor

That is... Let the user beware... Users should refer to the guidelines in individual forums, and indeed THREADS before posting.

I find it funny people argue that we cannot have different rules in different forums, when in fact we've had this for years, even down to the thread level. Some devs are happy for OT chatter, others are not. Caveat utilitor. Learn the lie of the land before posting, like you should always do on any forum, even outwith XDA.

Read the stickies, read the guidelines, etc. There's always been area specific guidelines (ie. the MP had different ones from a dev forum), and an Original Android Dev forum has different rules to a Q&A forum. Some forums have warnings about searching before posting etc... Others have roll-ups for certain purposes like stickies, and say to not request stickies, rather post it in the roll-up...