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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gparmar76:
I'm sorry but the problem isn't the noobs or users who don't understand how to get information quickly...its the more experienced users who would rather *****, yell and berate those users...if you don't like it, just move on...there's no need to create fights and big waves against the younger or newer members who aren't acclimated yet...I've been here for a long time and longer before I created an account...nothing bothers me...help people in a constructive respectful manner...that's how things get better...and if it annoys you, learn to leave it alone and just move on...XDA is a great resource and its growing every day...more and more inexperienced users will be popping up all the time...be courteous and guide them...hold their hand at first if needed...if you see the same person doing the same noobish things, point it out but in a intelligent respectful manner...after that, just ignore them...we're on an internet forum...not a playground full of "cool" kids and "losers"...and its always up to the smarter more mature people to bring the overall experience up a notch.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
Awesome, somebody i can thank. Alright go ahead, take shots at him.:)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
You realize you don't really benefit anything, all I have seen is you trying to stir the pot constantly with everything that's been said on here.

I am not going to take shots at him because he spoke his mind but did not proceed to try and agitate the situation like you did. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you just like to keep pushing it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
I think you are going off topic, is there anything we can do to make things better? Maybe this link can help us...http://www.wikihow.com/Solve-a-Problem
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
*yawn* dude you're the worst troll ever.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
It would appear i have derailed this thread, sorry....:o
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 02ranger:
While I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment here, not everything can be pushed off on the noobs. One issue that I know frustrates me is when the OP is not updated to reflect the ROM changes, or whatever the thread is about. (I know this has been mentioned) For example the PA thread, the OP has yet to be updated regarding the new changes. Now that would be fine if there wasn't a changelog, but there is a changelog that hasn't been updated. What's the purpose of having a changelog if you're not going to update it? If I hadn't been following the thread since 2.99 betas started, I would be a little confused by the pie that isn't in the changelog or other things implemented recently. The title of the thread is also not updated very frequently. For example, when I looked at the thread earlier today the title still said third pie beta and had January 23rd date in it, but I know a fourth beta was released on the 25th. I can understand this leading to confusion for some, especially for people who don't check the thread multiple times a day. Updating the OP and title regulary would help with SOME of the issues. I'm also aware that they update on G+ for each version released, but if that's the only place there are consistent changelogs or information, that should be pointed out in the OP and the conflicting/outdated changelog shouldn't be there. Just to clarify, I am NOT picking on PA devs, and I think they do a wonderful job, but that was the first and best example I could think of. These same arguments can be applied to many threads on XDA.

Now I also know that it is the responsibility of the poster to check previous posts, and I think it's an excellent idea to check the build date of the most recent release and read every post since that date, which was mentioned by somebody in the PA thread, but without good maintenance of the OP it is more difficult to do that. I think the problem here is a combination of several factors, and the fix has to be multi-faceted. The devs or OPs of a thread need to maintain their OP or have clear instructions on where to find up-to-date information. The experienced users need to stop helping the noobs that do post stupid questions and make them search, but still help those with decent questions. The noobs need to step up and take it upon themselves to search, research, and just plain READ the threads to fix their problems BEFORE posting. Lastly, the mods need to step in and when a ridiculous or unneeded question is asked, some sort of discipline needs to happen, and it should be easy to see on the post so others know that it happened and it may serve to kind of "warn" them about doing the same things.

I think all of us (myself included) have things we can improve on to raise the quality of threads on XDA.

I hope I haven't offended anybody and nothing in this post is targeted at any one indivdual, but it does apply to all of us, IMHO.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slayr76:
Worst thread ever, if you don't like xda go somewhere else , posting threads like this will just get you banned as your just attacking xda not its members by posting this.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
It would appear you derailed any chances of anybody taking you seriously from this point on. (Not like anyone did to begin with.)

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I agree whole-heartedly with the majority of what you posted. However the issue with developers updating the threads is that there is not always time for them to do it, they are merely a group of 3 or 4 people busting their as*es to give us almost nightly improvements, this is why they specifically stated to follow their g+ for any important updates. As for the build number thing, there is no need for an updated OP to follow that, just look at the build date on the rom you are downloading. ;)

The most important things you brought up are what most of us whom do try and help out have all presented as issues. The more the lazy people get answers from people that they could have found themselves the more they stay lazy and consider those of us politely asking them to read the prior pages and use the search function to be treating them badly and speaking rude to them. No matter how nice we tell them they still say we should just answer the question for them and stop telling them to search, what the hell is that? Then there is the reaccuring questioners, the people whom keep coming back everytime there is an issue or an update and asking a question that was answered multiple times within the last day and then using the excuse they are new, this does not fly with most of us. I will only help if it's a question that deserves help and hasn't been answered already.

Anyway, I don't think anyone is going to take offense to your post, most will agree with the majority of it. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 02ranger:
How will this thread get anybody banned? Is there a rule being violated or something? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude at all. It's a genuine question. :)

Thank you
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] VonEsch:
Agreed, and add stated it isn't entirely new:rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Nobody is going to get banned for pointing out the fact people are lazy and do not utilize the search functions or common sense. This is the general section as well, we can post about anything we like within the rules. If a moderator wants to remove this thread they will. You should probably take the time to actually read the abundant amount of good points brought up in this thread before you decide it's the "worst thread ever".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 02ranger:
I understand that they don't have much time, but if you're not going to update certain information, don't include it to begin with. :) For example, the build date is not necessary, you are absolutely 100% right about that. But if they're going to inculde the information in the thread title or OP, it should be kept up to date. The issues I brought up with the OP and title could all be solved by simply not putting that information up and instead have the OP say that ALL info on the ROM will be posted on G+ or throughout the thread. Other than that point, I think you and I are on the same page. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] beekay201:
When I write "use search", I'm not telling people to use THE search function, but to spend time going through 1, 2, 20 pages of threads and posts, if not all. Because we have way more than 20 pages, almost every issue will have been discussed before.

sent from my Google Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jadephyre:
This may be a harsh method, but this vid exists for a reason:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
So like i said last night if the mods don't have a problem with this thread or the way others ask about things in other threads than it really is no big deal one way or another. As far as anyone taking me seriously, well you ARE correct there. I have little or no knowledge to contribute in technical areas. I don't post in those threads, I just post in really "important" threads like this one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Dude, please just shut up, nothing you say matters to anyone on this site. You are just a troll looking to annoy people. I will now proceed to block you and your ignorance.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anathema_forever:
Vetrans are elitist at times, noobs act entitled at times and spoiled..., forums are messy and reaching the limits of their function.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lbt:
The problem with posts like "Use the damn search n00b" is that you are no help to anyone either. I know my way around the forum search, Google, tutorials, wikis... but sometimes you spend an hour on a simple problem and are too afraid to ask, because the more experienced people might smash you with this. At least give hints on what to search for, or where to look, I know you know it but don't want to tell because I'm a "noob".

I'm not saying you need to reply to people with 1 post and registration date of today, but finding your way around XDA and its tutorials can be hard at times if you are not well-read in the terminology, which changes with every device and Android/bootloader/whatever version apparently.

And in no way am I going through a 300+ thread page by page.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cmoG530:
In all actuality, being afraid works. You want to ask a question and out of fear you don't, thus you actually search for the answer yourself. That's a win/win situation. To add, people always use the excuse "I'm not looking through 500 pages.". No one is telling you to and with XDA's search engine, the most recent comments about your search are shown first, so that will never be a valid excuse.

If you come to XDA, we already assume, that you are able and want to read...so do it. It doesn't only help yourself, but others. Again, what are you going to do if XDA were to shut down? Or all rooting sites? You'll be sitting at the computer, wishing that you actually took the time to learn and read.

Like others say. If you don't want to read, then you should have no business trying to root in the first place, potentially bricking your device and trust me, it happens way more often than you may think.

Now, not all "newbs" are "dumb". Many try to be slick by saying "I did a search and I couldn't find anything.". Not everyone will buy it. Especially, if you can do the same search and actually find results. If you have to lie, in order to cover up your laziness, you should go back to stock. I'm not saying you, but just in general.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cmoG530:
Very true on both ends. It's becoming very much like Twitter. Everybody's talking, no one is reading & seeing how many times the same things are being said and no one gives a hoot. It's times like this, that makes me remember the glorious days of the HD2. Lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I couldn't agree more.

One thing I would like to add though is that not all of us call people "newbs/noobs". I politely suggest searching and skimming over prior pages, even if I really want to yell at some of the lazy's more than anything. I think a lot of the people that are asked to search for themselves and read the prior pages are just angry they have been called out for being lazy and then exaggerate what was said to them in order to avoid confrontation or negative feedback. I've actually asked a few people to point out where I said something they claimed/lied about me saying, it shuts them up real quick. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cmoG530:
So true and now, we're two updates behind maguro :( In all honesty, if the mods have seen (which I'm sure they have) all this strife in these threads, why haven't they spoken? I'm sure that if they did, things would calm down a bit. Notice I said a bit, because some could care less about mods. As a matter of fact, who is the mod?

Edit

Never mind, I'll find them. Lets hope they respond.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
Threads like these bring out the keyboard commandos... too funny. Just wondering, when you guys find the mods that you think are doing a poor job (not me, i think they do great) how will you have them fix the problems you say exist? What would you have them do?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
They also bring out a lot of douchy trolls apparently too
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Couldn't agree more.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jadephyre:
Keyboard commandos... I was going to say something about that, but if I did, that would probably reflect badly on me as well, so i'm going to stuff it because that's not worth it.

But just as a word of note: No one said the mods are doing a bad job, not once.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
OP, 3rd paragraph

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I do actually feel bad for those that have a higher level of skill than the average xda member. It does seem that they feel frustrated with the others they spend most of there time with here. It's like at work when there are 10 other people in your dept. that you know you are better than but no matter what you just can't escape their ignorance. I don't know what to tell you guys. I guess just help people out or don't. There really are only 2 answers.

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Douchy troll is a badge of honor. It's used as a last resort when no solid argument can be obtained. I thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Thanks for this ignorant post. Reported.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
Forgot, there is a next step after being called a troll. That would be reporting someone. A step 90 percent of us would not do as most of us are here trying to be polite and help other people out to the best of our abilities. Maybe a better thread would be What is going on, nobody wants to help us out? But thankfully that is not true. This is a great community and will continue to be as long as we are here for each other.:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I have no reason to be polite to someone whom just admitted to being a troll. All trolls do is disrupt threads to amuse themselves, this helps nothing.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
Hi all,

I've just taken the time to read through this thread, which to be honest, I did not know existed.

You may or may not be aware that the moderation system was changed December 2012.

Previously a device would have 3-4 moderators assigned to it, and each moderator would have 6-7 devices. The load was shared out quite evenly. The current system should have 8 moderators cover a particular brand & region. We are Samsung International.

Currently we have 3 (soon to be 2) active moderators covering this entire spectrum of devices. Think about every Samsung sold outside the US that has a forum here on XDA. We cover that. Its a lot.

I agree with many of the sentiments posted here, and I wish I could click my fingers and make the problems go away (and have more moderators helping me :)). You would not believe the amount of time XDA absorbs when you have to deal with the "bad" 1% of XDA. With 5~ million users that is a large amount of users. It leaves very little time to actually moderate and contribute to the community. I get upwards of 15 PMs a day, I respond to each and everyone. That takes more time.

XDA of the WM days is sadly gone, those of you around then will agree that those were great times. With the explosion of Android popularity and adoption, this has brought with it a user demographic that does not want to search, learn, read, understand or do any of the leg work. IMO that is XDA's problem.

How do we tackle it effectively? That is an even bigger problem. In the upper echelons of XDA moderation, administration & management I am sure that they are working to solve this problem. What you, the actual community can do to help is by reporting idiots, users who have no respect of others, users who clearly could've searched (i.e "how do I root?") & anything that you know is wrong (warez, trolling, obscene language, etc...).

Feel free to continue to discuss the shortcomings of XDA, but please do it with respect for each other and be constructive with your criticisms. Simply saying "Its shit, because its shit". Will not help us to help you better."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Very well put, thank you for your input. Its much appreciated. :)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Thank you! By far the most beneficial post in this thread!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woody296:
Thanks go to you also wired pirate for not needlessly quoting the entire message from our mod. It would seem to be something we all need to work on.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I've already reported you for trolling, every post you have made including this one provides evidence. Now that the mods have looked at this thread I don't think it's going to be long before you earn yourself a ban.

There was no reason for you to bring up how I chose to reply to a comment except to try and get a reaction from me. Enjoy your time here, I have a feeling it won't be too much longer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
Come on, lets not get into this. Either drop it or you'll both go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
I apologize but if you take the time to read his posts they have all been unhelpful and basically meant to create an issue or argument. How am I at fault for him not being reprimanded? I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else but this individual should have at least a temporary ban for the way he has acted on this thread as well as openly admitting to being proud of being a "troll".

If you look he has created issue with not only me but everyone in this thread.

Not only that, he seems to stir the pot in every thread he goes too.

Again, I am sorry if I did something wrong but I am just here like the rest to talk about issues on xda, nobody else is having a problem communicating with each other besides him.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
I have read his posts, other than being curt and to the point, there isn't much to go on. I see he's worked out exactly what grinds your gears though.

Remember to take a step back from posting if you're angry, you'll make the issue worse and feed the flames.

Trolls troll because they get a reaction, don't give them one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Fair enough but trolling is against the rules, he admitted to being proud of being a troll. Regardless of my point of view he is blatantly in violation of the rules. Why has he not received reprimand?

Trolls also continue trolling when they do not get in trouble for doing so.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
here's a protip i learned from a job i had

mention what you need to mention to management and then just worry about yourself.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
No need for arguments when discussing possibilities to improve the forum. We use to have a long thread somewhere that discussed the possibility of a karma system like some other sites use.. That thread never turned crazy like this one. I'm sure there are other options that can be discussed that have potential to improve the forums here. But the petty bickering doesn't help anybody. If ya'll cant agree on nothing else, and at the risk of my post being reprimanded since we aren't in OT.. Can we at least all agree that this is a pretty sweet pterodactyl? And just move forward from here..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
yes! because its from the oatmeal.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
Because sometimes its not the right thing to do.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37142780&postcount=4411

Was my response to that correct? Would you consider that trolling? The rules aren't always black & white.

Warning/Infracting users does not always diffuse the situation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Props to you sir for knowing The Oatmeal! Although reading The Oatmeal is its own reward.:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
Hahaha, tbh, that guy totally had it coming, that was the absolute worst reaction to a moderator I have ever witnessed lmao! He is lucky you just messed with him rather than permabanning him before he had a chance to not be "new".

I get what you mean and are trying to convey, I just don't like to see someone blatantly announce their intentions of derailing a legitimate conversation and then get away with it.

Oh well, I trust you know what your doing. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] donnyp1:
I been here a long time, longer than most, and ive seen many devs leave xda because of members attitudes and demands. Its sad, but thats the way it goes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BretonGirl:
I agree that there is a problem with lazy people creating a lot of noise in the forums. I especially love it when they say "I don't have time to read/search/Google, just TELL me!" because ya know, their time is just SO much more valuable than everyone else's.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nephilim:
My philosophy is, if they have time to tinker with their devices and become members of a developer forum in order to modify them, they have time to utilize the search function and skim over the last 10 to 15 pages of any given thread before asking a question. It's commons sense. If you cannot find answers for yourself to easy questions then why is it you think you have the brain capacity to flash a rom that could possibly brick your device?

*Disclaimer, I am not saying any particular person does not have a high brain capacity, I am merely using that comment as an example.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jfcooley:
I don't post here a lot, but very active on another forum. I read this forum every day and use what I learn there. We aren't a huge forum and are all end users and most are new to android.

I reference threads, recommend roms. My first bit of advice to anyone is READ.XDA. Dont post, just take a bit of time with a cup of coffee and read. There i answer all questions i can, big and small.

That being said, i find "ignore" works wonders for my stress level when someone is given advice but fails to follow either out of laziness or ignorance. Find that helps mods out as well.

Old saying: "You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink." Complaining about the horse wont make him drink either. Leave him to his own devices and when he gets thirsty enough, he will help himself to water. Same holds true here. Lead to an answer with patience, but dont blow yourself up if someone refuses to help themselves. Just smile, shake your head and move on.

Just my observations, for what its worth.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andy:
Unfortunately the ignore function doesn't work when your a moderator. Otherwise XDA would be a very peaceful place for me. ;)

This is the best advice anyone can give. If you spot a user who "demands" things without bothering to look for themselves, report them & ignore them.

The level of user that XDA wants is not the type that flashes a N7 kernel on their GNex, then wonders why it doesn't work. We want the type, like yourself, that sits down, reads, reads a bit more, does a quick search, then decides, "Hang on, this kernel sounds great but its not for my GNex."