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[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Unless I get lucky in the next two weeks I'll be getting mine from here: http://www.smartphoneshop.be/product/272748/sony-xperia-z.html

I did pre-order as one of the first people, and because of that I got my pre-order at €629.
[Xperia Z General] SkyS1gn:
I hope when other phones will come out later (with the same caliber) prizes will be lower! I want to change my Arc to this! ;)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Thank you for that link, i shall update the post. You are very lucky indeed!
[Xperia Z General] fineazbro:
is this phone fully compatible with T-mobile network?
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
No. It doesn't support AWS and it doesn't support Band IV LTE. The ZL will at least to the LTE side of things. With T-Mobile you have to be pretty careful as their network is quite different to most.

M.
[Xperia Z General] Fasty12:
What if i just want to make calls with tmobile, i dont need a data plan i use wifi
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
I'm not an expert on T-Mobile stuff, but I don't even know for sure that it'll do calls.

M.
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Sony Mobile Korea is not releasing any news about Xperia Z. :(

I have emailed them but they say " We cannot tell anything about it because it is not release " everytime...

Considering to buy my phone from internet. Can you please suggest me a trustable site with international delievery? Thanks :)

Hope the price to drop on April because my contact with my carrier ends on April :)
[Xperia Z General] limestar:
You are actually wrong. The three model has LTE
[Xperia Z General] rock_34:
this is good phone :)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Three said its not a 4G model.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That'd be weird. As far as I know all models to be sold in Europe will be the C6603 which does have LTE. Maybe Three is just saying it doesn't have LTE because Three doesn't have LTE yet?
[Xperia Z General] MrPhilo:
All Sony Xperia Z have 4G supports, I can't wait for Three to get 4G without changing there data plans! Hmm unlimited 4G :), but thanks for people who confirmed the bootloader won't be unlocked. I was pissed when I had my Xperia T locked,
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
I think your right!
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
its 749 AUD on mobiciti );
[Xperia Z General] AGGevorgyan:
can I trust handtec?

Hi. I have a question. I tried to search thread for answer, but couldn't find clear one. Can I trust handtec? Because there are many bad reviews in internet, for example

handtec-co-uk-reviewer blogspot com/ + reviewcentre com/reviews102566 html + trustpilot co uk/review/www handtec co uk

If no, who can I trust from cheapest ones?

Thanks
[Xperia Z General] sdotmouse:
I've bought from Handtec with no issues.
[Xperia Z General] koooldude:
Does this mean that if I bought it direct from o2 the bootloader will be locked too?
[Xperia Z General] AGGevorgyan:
unlocked-mobiles.com

Has anyone tried unlocked-mobiles com and what you can say about it? That site has more positive reviews
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Not sure, but if they accept Pay Pal I'm getting it from them because it's less than 700 US dollars, and that's with 3 day shipping! !!
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It is the one with LTE: https://twitter.com/ThreeUK/status/298756463474655234
[Xperia Z General] mwatson:
confirmed again:

@ThreeUK Will the Xperia Z you're selling be the C6603 LTE version or the C6602 HSPA+ version?

@markthediscodj Hi there. It'll be the LTE version :) >Ros

2:06 PM - 5 Feb 13 · Details
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Amazon and clove price dropped. :) not much but important :D
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Clove hasn't dropped a penny. Amazon however has :)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That's correct.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
You're right bro :D! My bad!
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That is correct.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Hi, Im sick of Samsung and there UGLY phones, switching from an S3 'Hopefully'.

I pre-ordered the Xperia Z with headphones through carphare warehouse on O2 unlimited mins and texts and 2gb of data for £36 PM and £29.00 phone cost.

I ordered in early hours of sunday morning, they took the £29 from my account. Ive had the order acknowledgment email but still not heard anything else. So i don't know whether I've been accepted or failed the credit check ect.

Anyone got the same problem?
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I there warren first of all the o2 offer is 1gb of internet lol, not 2gb.

I ordered mine yesterday afternoon after a failed transaction with expansys. I got the vodafone deal 38/month 24 month unlimited mins/texts, 2gb internet, 1gb wifi free phone.

They send you a email to say they have recieved your order, however I didnt see anything else so I called them this morning and gave the order number should start with 276xx. They said the order has been accepted but you dont recieve further emails until the phone is in stock and they are ready to ship to you so the next email should come when the phone is in stock. Also if £29 has been taken out of your account the chances are it has been accepted. Just have a long wait now until the phone is in stock for delivery, the wait is killing me lol.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Contact them and ask, the credit check takes up to 3 days, so you will be waiting for a while.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
Thats a first credit check is normally done on the spot. Mine was done straight away. I answered his theory as to why he hasnt received any other emails, i too was wondering what was going on until i phoned them
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Ah My bad, 1gb it is! Also i paid 29.99 not 29.00. Was a tad drunk when ordered. Will see it all day tomorrow and if not heard anything then will call them.

Thanks for your response, its appreciated. :)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
They may tell you that yours is being done there and then but it is not, it takes days for them to contact your bank and view your credit history. Sometimes they say your going to get the device and have passed the check, then they come back and tell you, you've failed.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Sure bro :) And don't worry, you will have passed the check, best of luck :D!
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
They shouldn't tell you that you have passed credit check if you havent as yet. I was on the phone to them when they said I passed the credit check and they had to take 1p to varify it was my card but the bank had blocked it then i spoke to my bank and then went back on the phone to carphone and they tried the 1p process again and the order was successful. I called again this morning to double deck but since what your telling me now. I am going to call tomorrow morning again to triple check now because now I am concerned because normally when I order things online, over the phone or instore my credit check is done straight away plus I have good credit history.

Also warren just give them a call in the morning mate on 0870 087 0870. I am doing it as soon as i get up.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Pre-ordering Xperia Z...now that's a good thing to do while you're drunk haha, you'll definitely like the results ( unlike with some other things people might do drunk :P )

Anyway, do we know already what will be in the box ? I'm curious about the dock - some sites report it's included, others that it's not. I know they throw in some Smarttags ( 2 of them i think ) and in my case they give free leather case ( Roxfit Xperia Z Book Case which is not that great when compared to headphones or wireless speaker that 3UK / French SC throw in.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Lol, the other half had annoyed me and ordering the Z made me happy again haha. Its a damn sexy device. Absolutely detest samsungs design post S2. All look like tacky plastic pebbles. Ergh!

Will contect them tomorrow and report back.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
What colour did you order
[Xperia Z General] Hawkysoft:
Ordered mine (black) for 629euro and will get the Sony headphone with it XD

For the dutch www.smartphoneshop.nl aka coolblue
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
There's no way of knowing for sure, sometimes when you miss even up to 1 bill, companies try and ruin your credit history. Best of luck, i hope you pass :D!
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Headphones

USB

Phone

Wallplug
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Hahaha the xperia Z made me happy too when my other half annoyed me. Damn women -_-!
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I haven't missed a bill since october 2010 and vodafone themselves told me I am elegible right now for 5 lines on my account because of it. For each payment missed you have to start again and pay 3 months bill on time in a row before credit check will allow you another line.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Same here, they said that only the first 175 pre orders will get the headphones, hopefully we're among those 175^^
[Xperia Z General] Crucio_:
Payed for my order today from clove, £530.40 total as i went for special delivery. Happy with the price and the free speaker :) Been playing on my mind for a week on if i should be getting a new contract deal for the free headphones but logic won! i don't use over ear headphones at the moment so i'm sure they wont be missed :)

Good luck to all pre-orders! lets hope the arrive on time (or early ;))
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
You too :D! Have you ever used clove before? Are they trustworthy? I don't know if i should just pay more and go to amazon and buy it, instead of dealing with handtec or clove which i am told don't offer the best experience.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Black if my order has been successful! Shall call them tomorrow.
[Xperia Z General] Vebansen:
:highfive:

I'm in the same boat - Bought from Clove for exactly the same price.

Now, the wait begins... :cool:
[Xperia Z General] cheltenham2004:
I use clove all the time just paid for my Z with them :)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Are they good service?
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
@warren, I phoned carphone warehouse about 15mins ago then rang again 5mins ago to quadruple check my order. The order has been on back order since monday, credit check, security check etc was all done on monday when I made the order. They said you dont receive another email until the item is in stock and then another email to say it has been dispatched and the tracking number.

so as long as they havent emailed you saying you have failed credit check then you should be fine, as the credit check would have been done by now.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
I phoned them half hour ago. My order has been accepted along with the headphones. She said the same as you just said. I told her I was unsure as I only had one email, she then proceeded to send me a confirmation email stating my order had been accepted and is on back order and will be dispatched as soon as its in stock.

I'm happy now and get a proper nights sleep haha.

P.s. What colour did you go for?
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
What is the cancellation policy on your pre orders?

I am really tempted to pre order as i keep getting calls from Dialaphone because my One X is now in the upgrade window, however i'm still trying to hang on until MWC to see if the HTC M7 will tempt me to stay with HTC......or if the Sammy will blow everything away.

So if i pre order to bag a pair of headphones, how long will i have to cancel the order without any penalty?

Any info would be much appreciated guys.:)
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
The contracts dont begin until they ship the handsets so I'm guessing up until 28th or a couple of days before
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Normally you can cancel any order as long as it hasn't been shipped yet. If you paid an advance - you would lose it. If you didn't - you're free to cancel your order at any given moment - unless your retailer terms state otherwise.

I don't know where did you get your order from - i placed mine with Sony Centre and asked about cancelation - the thing looks like that: i can't pay for it right now. They will enable payment option as soon as they receive confirmation that shipment of Xperia Z is coming and they will have them in stock in coming 2 days. Until I pay for it - i can cancel at any given moment. When i pay for it - i can still cancel if it hasn't been shipped yet, but then i have to wait 14 days to get my money back. If it has already shipped - i can return the phone within 30 days if it wasn't used.

Best to ask your reseller though, things might be different.
[Xperia Z General] Hawkysoft:
@Dsteppa

I'll get the headphones received confirmation today :)
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Same here:good:

Getting a silver headphone, I think all people do that pre-ordered @ Coolblue
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
Do they offer international shipping? :)
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
Sorry they only ship to Belgium/Netherlands
[Xperia Z General] Lopes_P:
Thanks for the info, I guess it's Handtec for me unless Amazon has a better price.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
I think i might just buy it from clove, i was thinking of amazon though just easier for warranty and stuff, probably better just buying it at clove
[Xperia Z General] Lopes_P:
They have allocated all their stock of headphones (175 total...), that's what I got told on Monday over the phone and you either pick it up in person or have to live in Belgium/Netherlands. :(
[Xperia Z General] HYPER-X10:
I don't think handtec have the dock for sale either, whereas Clove do.

Dock is a must have item with the Z IMO.
[Xperia Z General] jamesbra:
So handtec won't charge me until it ships correct? I assume not but don't see that on the website
[Xperia Z General] millicent:
They do charge the full amount on cc.
[Xperia Z General] kakkaroto:
Just an fyi for everyone, I just popped into my local 3 store and they had a XZ (the phone looked amazing btw!) on display so I decided to check the bootloader and it said "Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes"

This may not necessarily be the case with retail units tho, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Unfortunately I cannot discuss unreleased products and previously posted content must be removed.
[Xperia Z General] stu15:
Doesn't mean it will be full country coverage though, as I believe the first 4G mast only went up 4 months ago, if that. It was in Cumbria I think, there might've been more up since then but my knowledge is pretty basic on it.

Illustrator - Sent from my Arc S.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Its supported in my city, glasgow, and many others i mean its still weak and pretty non exsistant for the most part, but due to the fact that the xperia Z has a wide 4G spectrum band, when 4G networks in the future roll out, price and coverage won't be a problem as of such :D!
[Xperia Z General] stu15:
We are very far behind with internet speeds in GB. We have the some of the worst internet in the developed world. America has better than us, with a city connection been 15gbps and in South Korea it's apparently 1tbps. The rest of the world has had 4G for like 2 years, we are about as good as Australia for internet :P

Illustrator - Sent from my Arc S.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
lmfao! true dat!
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
When it comes to ISP internet speed I do agree with the UK, it's known to be "slow".

Disagree with the mobile internet though, here in the Netherlands we don't even have 4G yet. The antenna's were "turned on" just this month, but no one can use it yet until like somewhere later this year. They said Summer 2013, but we'll see....:confused:
[Xperia Z General] jerryhou85:
Seems SONY has a similar price range this time across all regions. SONY Singapore just announce that they will accept pre-order staring from Feb 17th at S$988(US$798).
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Not really though, the only 4G network the UK has is 'EE' and the only reason that is, is because EE own Tmobile and Orange, this means they were able to utilize the 1800Mhz band for the 4G spectrum. They were lucky that Ofcom allowed them, but as of now they are the only networks, i mean three vodafone and o2 don't (and won't) have 4G till summer of 13'. Same as you, so there is not much difference, as in summer cellular networks will be bidding for 4G frequencies.
[Xperia Z General] MrPhilo:
Clove is £522 not £530.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
As soon as you choose a location it tallys to £530
[Xperia Z General] jamesbra:
So, I'm pretty sure this goes here but my scholarship money came in today so I can for sure get this phone. I'm leaning towards hand tec. Who are the other Americans following this thread using to pre order?
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Me. I'm thinking of getting it from http://www.unlocked-mobiles.com. It's overseas, but less than 700 USD with 3-4 day shipping.
[Xperia Z General] stu15:
Urgh look at this. This has put me off a little. Im sure it can be improved though...

Illustrator - Sent from my Arc S.
[Xperia Z General] rycexboi:
is there any pre orders up for the ZL?
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Released in Japan http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/02/09/xperia-z-launches-in-japan/

You can buy it now on eBay from overseas but it's pretty expensive in US dollars

Edit: it's also available from some Ebay sellers here in the US
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
I don't get what i am supposed to be looking at?
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
I think the available RAM. It's less than half.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
How can that be an issue? The device is a retail unit, i mean i work for vodafone and last time i checked the device had 1.6GB ram free, obviously since it's a retail version and is on display, there will be lot's of apps open, and processes running.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I have played with the Xperia Z in a three store and the free ram was 1.4gb with quite a lot of apps running.
[Xperia Z General] stu15:
Yeah it just seems a lot in use, everything that was running was preinstalled, so android might start the processes all the time, I used the phone for a little while and it wasn't very smooth at all, i'll go in again in a few days and restart it and try it for 10 minutes.

And obviously a lot more ram is used for each process because of the screen size, I'm just a little concerned that it's going to be laggy despite it's specs, if this was 4.5" with the same specs it would be even better, I might wait for a phone that's a little smaller with the same specs.

Also it's worth noting this was the 3 model phone that lacks 4g and their own kernel with locked bootloader. Like you mentioned.

Illustrator - Sent from my Arc S.
[Xperia Z General] Aka91:
woahh..!

1.4 Gb-1.6 GB RAM FREE

it is damn good

my Xperia S currently gives about 3-400MB RAM free

ADDING A GIG TO IT would be huge

I LOVE YOU

XPERIA Z

:D
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
I've said it many times - i will say it again. RAM needs to be used. That's why it's there... available/unused RAM is wasted RAM.

As long as there is available RAM, your OS will fill it with cached/running apps to increase your phone's speed. When it needs more than it's available - it'll free some memory then. Why put 2gb of RAM if you're gonna tell your phone not to use it ? Even if Xperia had 16gb of RAM - it still would be filled with enough apps open, because that's its purpose.

The only problem i can see is the OS itself taking too much RAM - but since it's an Android 4.1 device, it will consume no more than 300-400mb ( including some Sony enchancements might consume a bit more ), and the device itself doesn't really matter.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly! Its like cache memory, the more ram you have, the better as it means apps can sit in ram and access time is a lot faster, just as your correctly saying unused ram is wasted ram indeed, i am not worried one bit about the ram, i mean i have had the galaxy s2 for a long time, its such a smooth device, even with a dual core processor and 1GB ram, with stock JB it consumed 800mb out of 1GB thanks to samsungs bloatware, but after rooting it and deleting the bloatware i halfed that, the xperia Z is the first phone that doesn't cut any corners, 1080p screen, 2gb ram, 4G, waterproof, possibly a chance of 64GB micro SD, and a 1.5Ghz quad core processor! The ram is the least of my worries xD!
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Wait, don't target my post, lol. I was telling xiFIL what stu15 was referring to in their picture, lol. I wasn't saying it was a problem.
[Xperia Z General] stu15:
I know this and i agree, because your device powers the entire RAM, so any that is empty is not saving energy, so it makes more sense to use it.

However i tried the phone slightly and it was laggy on the desktop when it had 600mb free. i didnt manage to test it more than that. I spoke to the guy in the 3 store about it and he said it could be JellyBean, he just said he thought it might not be resource friendly, which i said i could run JB on my phone, which is an ARC S, obviously its modded ETC and doesnt scale up the same as a device like the Z. But then again, if you look at ICS for Sony devices like my Arc S, then its easy to be disappointed with initial performance.

I'm not saying it's bad, im not saying its good, im not saying people should or shouldnt buy it, it's just at face value the phone didn't wow ME, but i'll go in again on Monday and give it a try properly, restart it, check the apps, usage, do an Antutu, and try maybe getting some apps downloaded onto it as it wasn't set up for internet in the store, so it seemed. I think its been there less than a week.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
There is a firmware update that sony have just pushed out. WOW is all i can say! Its like 60fps++!!
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
So you have the phone? Are you going to put up a review?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Indeed i do, and no as i am testing the device for vodafone (pushing vodafone apps to the device, making firmware locks and firmware changes, before we start making a branded xperia Z :D)
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Ah, I see. =/ Well good luck anyway.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Wrong unused RAM is not wasted RAM. That statement is only applicable to machines with swap.

Unused RAM is very important on a device which doesn't have swap partition for a number of reasons

1. OOM - Out of memory killer is a feature of linux which kills processes when it reaches it's own quota limit. Having more unused RAM would make multitasking better.

This is one of the main use of supercharger script because android usually has very little RAM all the time so they adjusted OOM to make it less aggresive for multitasking.

2. Overhead - Lot's of apps can't be always clean and when launched takes up alot of RAM. Having less RAM would seriously lag your device so having more RAM would minimize overhead effect on a device.

3. Cache - Having more RAM means more available cache for unlaunched apps. If the device has little RAM on startup it only means that the device' RAM can only cache system startup cache. What about user applications? Launching new apps with no extra RAM would trigger android to clean cache processes making other apps relauch themselve slower because their cache allocation was cleared out. This is one of the primary reasons why most users encounter slowdowns when too many user apps are installed on your device because the device is busy shuffling cached processes on every user interaction because there's no more space left.

It's basically like this

Android: I'm gonna kill Playstore because there's no more memory to allocate titanium backup.

*Playstore killed*

Titanium Backup: Ok I'm done i'm gonna close now.

Android: Hey titanium backup is not active now I'm gonna delete his cache because system process playstore needs it.

*Titanium Backup killed*

Titanium Backup: Hey I'll run again so I need you to allocate me again.

Android: Ok I'll look for vacant space.

*Kills another system app*
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
This doesn't apply when you have 2GB ram, lets be real here, 2GB ram is more than enough for android!
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
I know that's my point on how important having bigger RAM is. :) So yeah the 1.4GB free RAM is better than having a 100mb free RAM :)

I am just contradicting any info that having lesser unused RAM is better.
[Xperia Z General] Imdking:
Okayyyy! Everyone! Let's get back on topic!

I'm getting mine from the first European/UK supplier to start shipping. Xperia Z, black, unlocked, for use on AT&T.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
which supplier is this?