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[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
I have it installed too, and frankly speaking I do not see any real, angible improvement past placebo level. I'm sure someone will do some benchmarking (eventually) and prove me either wrong or right., but I will not be installing this on my next clean install. It doesn;t hurt, I guess, to try and see for yourself, but I just wanted to chime in with my exprience, which is drastically different from yours.

That said, I've gone from anyone but myself giving me homework to do, and may be too cynical. I'm a beta guy, though, and as such, I'd need tangible improvement. Again, I haven't seen any.

By the way: I tried running the app a few times in succession -- is it normal it keeps reporting to have 'trimmed' each and every time, although there's only seconds between the end of one run and the start of the next? I thought there shouldn't be new stuff to trim on that timescale... <?>
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
I'm with you, see no improment, actually after browsing with stock browser on Yahoo finance for about 1 hour and my browser started acting up. It pause and sometime locked up then FC, I don't know if this caused by TRIM or something else, but again no improvement on my device.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
I've had some apps lock up as well, but I have no idea if that's related to having this installed. The browser eems to be especially sensitive indeed, but I've had it on Redditmag+ as well (but that has been loading slow as **** anyway for the past two days).

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[Asus Transformer TF700] lucius.zen:
I ran 3 times in a row and it only trimmed anything the first time. I dont rely on subjective results. I time everything, every performance tweak i do involves a barrage of tests which are all timed. Since using this tweak my times are better overall. To be honest everything was alost too fast to time this time around lol. I havent benchmarked it as of yet. Everything happens a few ms faster than it did before. It took 1.5s to load my largest pdf before this tweak, now its at .8s. The first time i ran the app it trimmed over 10mB. I imagine the amount that gets trimmed impacts how much of an improvement you see.
[Asus Transformer TF700] fortunz:
Do we need a second thread for this?

Would you mind posting your before and after times?

My initial androbench, as suggested in the fstrim faq, showed no change. I plan to run the bench again tonight, just to be sure.
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
I doubt that you're going to see any gain, TRIM is probably just clean up all the junks (cache), and data etc.. which something similar to you wipe cache and dalvik cache, so initialy so will feel the O/S is smoother, but after a few days, it should slowdown to your normal speed. I did a super clean install of cleanrom, took some reading, like how fast to open a heavy images website, then install TRIM and the results are the same. If you test TRiM before you clear your memory and cache, you may have a smoother/snappier feeling. This is my take on this.
[Asus Transformer TF700] lucius.zen:
Sample Before/After Times

I cleared cache/dalvick a day before trying this, i clear after any major changes. I was trying new stock kernel but noticed more lag so i switched back to OCed kernel and cleared it.

Sample Before Times:

Boot - 40.3s

Very large pdf - 1.3s

Youtube - 1.1s

theverge.com - 6.4s

xda.com - 1.4s

LOTR3 bluray - 2.1s

Playstore downloaded apps page - 1.5s

Sample After Times:

Boot - 36.7s

Large pdf - .8s

Youtube - .7s

theverge.com - 6s

xda.com - .9s

lotr3 bluray - 1.7s

playstore downloaded apps page - .9s

Havent tested everything bc that sample is enough for me at this point, especially considering ive noticed things are more responsive and smooth in general, especially multi touch gestures via GMD Gesture Control. Ive also noticed streaming flash videos are more responsive, which is huge for me, but entirely subjective, i dont time it. The university i go to has a course website that is flash based (bblearn, aka blackboard) and things are also more responsive on it as well.

These small improvements may seem trivial, however, every week or so I find a way to slightly drop my times, which adds up significantly over time. A drop of .2s is large enough for me to try anything, especially if it doesnt harm stability, and this app hasnt for me at this point. Call me crazy, i dont mind, im a performance nutter. I cant stand lag. DEATH TO LAG.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
Yeah, we heard this before. You mention your objectiveness almost every other post. As I said, I'm a beta guy and as such I respect data, but ANY improvement whatsoever is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS when it ONLY shows up on your "objective measurements" and not in your or someone else's "subjective measurements". Benchmarks are NOT a good representation of real-life performance.

Your stance towards people that want tangible improvement comes over as arrogant to me. I'm sorry. My largest background in online presence in from several digital photography fora, where we called people that (overly or exclusively) rely on "objective measurements" "pixel peepers" -- judging something, whether that be a camera or a photograph, or a person in your private life or an employee or co-worker, solely or overly dependently on such criteria leads to a loss of quality of "je-ne-sais-quoi", its mojo, if I may call it that. What in the world does the "improvement" you measured ("W00t! 0.1 increase in floating point operation?! I'M GOING TO TAKE ON THE WOOOOORRRRRLLLL.." <trips over power line of vacuum cleaning machine> </self-deridement>) bring me when it doesn ot result in any tangible improvement in speed of smoothness.

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You do not have actual screenshots, only typed statements?

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[Asus Transformer TF700] BossMafia2:
Actually, fstrim is more closer to defragging your hard drive, in a literal and figurative sense. What I'm saying here is yeah it's actually doing something (possibly) useful, but just like defragging, it's not always going to show a benefit unless your drive is really fragmented (which likely wouldn't even happen for a while, if at all). The nice thing about the ext formats is they don't exactly need this, but hey, if it works for somebody, then great!
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
I agree with you on this!
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
There's no risk in trying, I grant you that. CROMI has been running a bit more stable without this fstrim ability than with it -- especially regarding apps force-closing. I guess everyone's mileage may vary.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alan Corona:
Y'all think AT&T has plans to update straight to 4.2 instead of 4.1.1 seeing as how the hox+ update is already in progress.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Deleted member 3452239:
doubt it. they'll probably update it to 4.1.1, and then that'll be the last update we see from them.

My honest opinion
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
Would be nice but fat chance
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rabi347:
Would be great even if they give us 4. 1. 1
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alan Corona:
I read this on a google news search might be BS but I'd love it. And most phones usually get at the most one or two updates small or big doesn't matter too the companies, seeing as how they would want there customers to upgrade their phones in the name of making more money.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] unclekeith:
i'm growing increasingly impatient with htc. Once you go Nexus nothing really compares after imo
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BigCiX:
I think that is the main reason why jellybean is so late. They are going to give us that one update and that's it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] =JKT=:
Its a tough call for me. Nexus devices are supported pretty darn well. I mean, nexus s got jellybean and it can barely run it. (read run it smoothly for longer than two weeks)

But on the other hand, I tried a phone with no sense available, and I realized how much I liked sense (even though I'm only on it like half the time)

But my point is, sense is the slickest, most coherent ui overlay, and that has got to take time to do properly. Yeah, yeah, they drag their heels so we upgrade...but in all fairness, I do think they put a lot of work into it.

I think in the end I've decided that a stable version of sense is worth two of aosp. That's just my personal opinion.

After a decent aosp jellybean was released for desire z, I found myself still running gb sense 2.1. It was just a great OS that was hard to fault.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alcoholic:
Yeah, they'll give us 4.2.1 with sense 5 because AT&T is the best!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ericdhartmann:
I imagine we won't get an update until the hox+ gets there's
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Crappyvate:
too many beers.....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jrlatta:
I wish HTC would make the next nexus that way we could have the option to run sense and aosp
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] marsyeti:
Too many beers too
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
What???
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
exactly
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] WookieFan:
The N1 runs sense ports. Assuming that's what he's talking about.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] a box of kittens:
Or maybe when you first turn the phone on you can have like an aroma option to run pure Google or sense
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] c5satellite2:
ATT is run by an arrogant ahole who only cares about the stock price(Randall Stevenson I'm calling you out). Why actually spend money on getting us JB when he can continue to line his pockets. "Eat the rich, its the only thing that they are good for"-Aerosmith

Couldn't be truer. Do nothing paper pushing thieves. He cost att billions in the failed tmo merger and got a 20+ million bonus and then they re-elected him. Ponderous to say the least. If anyone of us cost their company billions, we would be fired and probably brought up on charges.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] GroovyGeek:
Att has no reason to give us anything. We already got one update I doubt that a second one is coming. They have a hox+ and sg3 to sell, why would they care about the hoxl.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
Why are all you AT&T users so pessimistic. Be happy and enjoy life, love your phone and its amazingness and stop sounding so much like Marvin from The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] SirFork:
The disdain for the way carriers (not just AT&T) abandon phones, roll updates out (or don't), and generally neglect their customers needs, is why we come here. Maybe there's new members who post hopeful threads such as this but if you've owned any other device this is par for the course. The atrix 4g never even got ics for example. People come here for a solution to the carriers broken system. These threads are getting so redundant.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Marlin29:
This made me chuckle, lol.

I have become fairly cynical when I comes to AT&T over the last few years. In general, I'm fairly satisfied with the service they provide, but the last few phone upgrades have left me disappointed in the area of support/updates. The HOX was advertised to be THE phone to have, if you believed the hype, but when the GS3 came out it dropped off AT&T's top tier in pricing and support in short order. Then the HOX+ comes out just a few months later. Jeez....

The longer I have my HOX, the more disappointed I feel. Whenever I switch back to my Atrix I think to myself, "Wow. This phone performs about the same and ALWAYS has more free memory. Why did I pay $200 for my One X upgrade? It should blow my Atrix away in every way, not just give me a better camera and a slicker UI."

Come on AT&T, how about treating ALL the people that make it possible for you to remain in business with a little more respect. Set a high standard for customer and device support after the sale for the industry to follow.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] a box of kittens:
As for phones coming out that's on HTC .they're in a slump right now and they're trying to get one phone to really sell for them do you realize how many phones they're releasing like the DNA and twoonths later the m7...that'll get people mad

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And sense 5 looks buttugly in my opinion I like the sense 4+ look..I hope we don't get sense 5 anytime soon
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] barondebxl:
As far as I'm concerned, my One XL is an unlocked version. All ROMs work for it and Im not even thinking about AT&T releasing jelly bean. Thanks to the devs!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alan Corona:
i think this is true
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alan Corona:
couldnt wait any longer and just went ahead and rooted the HOX best idea ive had with this phone
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pdj7969:
I also made the jump last night. I wanted to do right by AT&T and gave them as long as I could hold out. In the end, they disappointed me with their lack of follow through so screw them. I've been rooted for 2 months, so it wasn't like my phone was warranty-friendly to begin with so why bother waiting any longer. This phone sizzles with ViperXL...also the best choice I could have made.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] c5satellite2:
HK 4.1 is rolling out OTA.

Att should be ashamed at this point.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
i talked to my att rep yesterday and asked what the hold up was one the JB update . she placed a few calls and told me HTC only just pushed it to them a few weeks ago O__o and there is no eta
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
That sounds like the same timeframe as every other carrier got it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
yea sounds about right but its crazy how slow att is
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kevinlovechina:
Just googled the one xl 4.1 update news and found out the following carriers/regions have rolled out the 4.1 ota: :laugh:

Telus (Canada)

Rogers (Canada)

O2 (Germany)

Telekom (Germany)

Telstra (Australia)

SingTel (Singapore)

Hong Kong

And I've heard that as long as Canadian variants get the update, it won't be long for ATT variants!:cowboy:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Monkeydias:
My phone won't even recognize that there is an update from 1.85 to 2.2. Any ideas why not?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] 954wrecker:
It's smarter than you. That's why it's called a smartphone

Sent from my HTC One XL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] RollTribe:
Not sure, but if you plan on rooting/are rooted DON'T UPDATE TO 2.20
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Its a positive indicator, but not a sure thing that the AT&T ROM will follow the Canadian variants. The companies have been long associated (Rogers was AT&T at some point in the past). But the Canadian variants allow bootloader unlocking by "official" means. That alone means the companies are handling the device somewhat independently each other. Increased security measures on the AT&T ROM (patching the existing root exploit, and maybe even hboot changes) might be part of the reason for the delays. That, and AT&T just plain sucks at getting firmware updates out in a timely fashion.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xybur:
I held out for the longest time on my HTC One X (I had the 1.73 firmware with its terribly unoptimized battery life and all), and I opted not to install the OTA 1.85 update when it was pushed to my system.

I should have unlocked the bootloader on my phone ages ago. I did it like within the past week, and upgraded to a stable AOKP build of Jelly Bean, and it was the best thing I could've done to my phone. Project Butter is ridiculously fast, and JB incredible. The phone multi tasks like a champ, loads things within milliseconds, and does everything like a pro. It literally feels like a brand new phone. Idle battery drain is also absolutely amazing. My phone has never lasted a full day with normal use, and this rom goes from 7am to midnight easily now, even with refreshing apps like google voice, facebook, g+ and my gmail syncing.

I don't know why I suffered through the 4.0 sense rom for as long as I have. Battery that eventually reaches the point of not lasting longer than 5 hours? Multitasking that kills the third app I opened if I take too long swapping between apps? Chugging terribly bad and noticeable performance problems on menus, and loading app lag (which should NEVER happen on this phone as fast as its supposed to be)? No thanks. Loading new apps onto it should be no excuse to chug overall performance.

Anyway, it goes without saying I'm set for a while. JB custom rom on this phone is amazing and should be future proof for a while. If I ever decide to get a new phone, I've learned my lesson. I'm going the unsubsidized route, and I'll buy whatever new Nexus phone google has on the market. I've been tricked three times by at&t (aria, atrix and now the htc one x).

Expecting at&t to care ANYTHING about their software at this point is ludicrous. I'll keep my service (I've grandfathered my unlimited data ;D), but I'm not going to get a phone from them again.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eraste:
Anyone else notice HTC's restructure of their website?

Seems they have even pulled the 2.20 ruu download/update page.

This is what you get when you go to the old page or try and find updates for the one x (ATT)

http://www.htc.com/us/support/howto.aspx?p_id=464&id=313566&p_name=htc-one%E2%84%A2-x-(att)

Seems they want us now to completely rely on ATT. They have done this with other carriers and phones to. Will they not be providing RUU's anymore?

Crazy what is HTC doing to itself
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kevinlovechina:
Did you manually check for the update in Settings? Maybe you can flash an ruu instead.:fingers-crossed:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] c5satellite2:
SGS 2 gets JB 4.1.2 before ATT releases JB for HOXL........is ATT serious?

Ponderous, effing ponderous......
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] a box of kittens:
Hey hey hey now you gotta give them time to put their incredible amount of bloat and useless apps! And updating the hboot with all their goodies
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] RollTribe:
If there's no more RUU's then there's gonna be a lot of people with bricked phones that could've easily been fixed with an RUU
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eraste:
I've searched and searched the HTC and ATT websites, can't find any. Not even the 2.20 update ruu
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] paulbh:
Here's the link for 2.20 RUU: http://dl3.htc.com/application/htc_one_x_RUU_2.20.502.7_att_us_08022012.exe

Had to use a Google Cache to find it
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fitchpuckman:
this. we're going to be one and done with official software updates. i can't imagine ever seeing 4.2 on this phone, at least, not courtesy of ATT.

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"Also, did I mention how the anticipation of this update is thrilling and really makes me excited to be able to still use AT&T Navigator in the future?" said no on ever.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eraste:
Just got the Note 2 today replacing the One X. Its on 4.1.2. So maybe you guys will get lucky and go to 4.2 but I doubt it. The newer devices on ATT arent even on 4.2 most 4.1, some still 4.0 like one x. Or at least the ones I looked at before buying the note 2 weren't anyway!

:silly:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] esaloch:
Glad I got mine refurbished so it had such a short warranty I wasn't concerned with breaking it. Been running UrDroid 4.1.1 for weeks now. Can't wait for cm 10.1 to become stable with the camera kinks worked out. I liked the unofficial release but it was a bit laggy.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] romy134:
I think once 4.2 comes out, Ill finally root my phone for 4.2 since it will never come to the att version of the phone... Question has an update ever been made available for an att version of a phone by HTC, LG Samsung, and ATT has not updated it at all?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DvineLord:
why would you wait to root and unlock once 4.2 gets released your going to have wait forever and it will probably be much more difficult???
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] J2DAe:
The s2 did not get. 4.1.2 it got 4.1.1 and don't be upset when you get the update and notice no changes for the good except for Google now
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rfree2340:
Yeah I doubt it. I gave up and flashed ViperXL yesterday, no regrets. It's amazing, basically.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Not sure I understand the question. But experience has shown, at least for HTC, you will likely just get one official update to a new major Android build (such as GB to ICS, or ICS to JB) and that is about it. By that time the phone is well over a year old, and HTC is not that interested in supporting it any longer.

Can anyone think of any HTC devices that have received more than one major Android build upgrade?

I'd say Android 4.2 is a "maybe" for us , and the "K" build (have they released a dessert name yet?) is probably a "no".
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] RollTribe:
What he was asking was if there has ever been a time when AT&T has never released an update for something, even if the maker provides one.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] HTC_Phone:
IF I remember right... The Thunderbolt began on 2.2 Froyo, and was bumped to GB, and then just NOW got their ICS update. A rare case, but I do remember that one.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
The Nexus One had the longest support and most upgrades of any Android device from any maker I believe.

Started on 2.1, got update to 2.2, then 2.3 and basically all the minors inbetween the silver bullet for the phone was 4.0, but it got every last thing prior to that.

Another cool phone from HTC was the HD2 which started on Windows 6.0. It had custom hacks of Android, Windows 6.5 and Windows 7.0. Sure they were not official but still a sign of HTC goodness.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] foxbat121:
HTC can't provider one if AT&T is not asking for it. The amount of customization and baking in AT&T bloatware takes a lot of work. HTC can't offer a generic update to AT&T branded phones.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] txmade:
I'm just wondering why we have not seen any leaks? All the other att updates were leaked ahead of time.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] feanor512:
Maybe the update is really far off. Or maybe AT&T will just cancel it to focus on the One X+ and the M7.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pdj7969:
This. I have a fleeting suspicion that AT&T is either far from releasing the update our they have decided to cancel support as they have all but ignored the phone since the HOX+ was released. They don't even have the HOX in a prominent display at the corporate store by my house...it's now sitting in the back of the store near the Uverse demo area. It used to be right out front. This phone had become the bastard child of AT&T pretty quickly.