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[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Reminds me of my own two Dell U2410s to be honest: at extreme angles (more than 30° off centre) the black level suffers as the backlight bleeds around the subpixels.

My 2 U2410s and single 2408 would like a word :P. (My current desk setup: http://i.imgur.com/xkgn1.jpg U2410s on left)

And my screens also show the XZ screen to be nicely saturated with a good black level at normal view angles (+- 30°). Looks worse, but not that bad on my terrible E6400 either...

Pretty much. Core hardware is AMAZING (and not only on phones, desktop/laptop SSDs and RAM are amazing too!). Phone feel though...

USB DAC or go home and get your proper soundcard/DAC/amp + headphone/speaker setup :P
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
You sound like my kind of guy :) Vaio Z with a calibrated display and nearly 100% AdobeRGB coverage here, coupled with a Dell U2412M for when I need to do a lot of coding (easier on the eyes and bigger). All I've seen of the Xperia Z looked fantastic and far from washed out.

And on the sound side, Sony's MDR-7550 (slightly warmer, sibilance-free brother of the famous MDR-EX1000) coupled with my Vaio Z's DAC or even better: my Walkman X is pretty amazing.
[Xperia Z General] Unexist6969:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

U ever tried noozy player?;) no need for proper usb dac, noozy eq beats everything imo and my s2 has the ****tiest broken sh*t yamaha dac so no point for it
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
I rock a SoundBlaster X-Fi TitaniumHD as source/DAC with harman/kardon Soundsticks 3 speakers or ATH-M50 headphones + PA2v2 AMP depending on how much noise I feel like. Saving up for some Audez'e LCD-3s atm....

I don't need to. I hardcode EQ into my MP3s for my phone when I re-encode my FLACs into MP3 for power-efficient playback on my Nexus S. But even then, you need good baseline performance (SNR, THD/+Noise, frequency response). On a phone I don't care too much: the external factors will overpower any improvements a better DAC will bring. On my desktop, I do care.
[Xperia Z General] Unexist6969:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Yes you are probably right but i was talking about the phone especially, i'm too lazy to modify all my music in flstudio though :p and noozy's eq puts a nice baseline
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Seriously? If you want proper sound you want everything to be as authentic and close to the original recording as possible, and special EQ's and enhancement tricks are not the way to do that. If your phone has a flimsy DAC you can't improve the sound quality with any sort of tricks. It might sound bassier or wider, but once you go into the true audiophile spectrum of headphones or IEM's you'll notice that nothing beats an accurate sound representation. For well-mastered music that is, your average pop song actually sounds 'better' through cheap equipment, but that's just because the cheapness doesn't allow you to hear the bad side of the recording.

I'm not going to go on a long audiophile rant here though :P I've found that most Sony smartphones sound the best with all enhancements off. Don't touch the equalizer, don't touch the virtual surround. Same thing with all Sony Walkmans, even though they have a better manual equalizer should you still want to tweak with the sound.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Indeed, but I like a "classic V" EQ on my music. I like the heavier bass and more accentuated treble. I swear my ears are oversensitive to mids!. In any case, I use DSPs to change the sound more to my liking, not to offset equipment characteristics.

I agree though, most enhancements are crappy half-hearted efforts that make everything worse...
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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Yup wolfson1811 dac in s3 is great with the acid mod installed , I find sound better on phone than my pc

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[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
It's sad that getting better sound than a PC isn't hard....

Btw i9100g, you should put your signature in the signature section so it doesn't keep showing up when you get quoted.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I posted my sig twice I think

Sorryy ignore this post
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I just played with the Xperia Z, the set looks good but nothing extra ordinary !!

-Front n back finger print magnets.

-Sound not so good.

-Surface is too much reflective.

-And I know Sony will launch another flagship in Q3 for sure !!

I think I will wait for Galaxy S4 n then decide on my next phone, anyways m happy with Note 2 and Nexus 4 !!

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[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4 & All Other Upcoming Phones - Don't start new thr

Welcome to the club !:D

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[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Galaxy S4 will surely have better specs. Probably octa-core and who knows, maybe 4gb of ram and will most likely be top-spec device of 2013. But to be honest - i think i'm really done with Samsung. Note 2 is my third quality/defect disappointment after S2 and Note 1 ( and S3, although i don't have one - my friends do ) all sharing numerous bugs and issues - not to mention i simply don't like the design, but it was the only reasonable 5"+ device available for me. I can't stand their plastic build, i can't stand constant brickbugs problems, sudden deaths, exynos loopholes etc. - and Samsung's negligent approach to those issues. And most of all i sincerely detest TouchWiz and think it should be banned under capital punishment ( joking of course, i'm really not a fan - it just hurts my eyes, that's all :) ) as it causes me to lose warranty cause i'm forced to flash CM - with great loss to performance and functionality - i really don't think that S4 will change that. And i'm actually tired of switching phones every year.

That's why i decided to get Xperia as i think it's probably the most durable flagship smartphone out there - at least it's supposed to be. I hope to use it for at least 2 years, and there is no other company i have more faith in than Sony ( been using their products since Playstation 1, never had a single problem ) so if they do disappoint me - i'll lose faith in whole electronics and become a bitter old man who think "phones are for calls, not some fancy web-stuff" :D

I'm surprised because I always was a spec-geek, and now it doesn't appeal to me that much anymore. Great specs with terrible build quality - still give a mediocre product - that's what i think about S3, and that's what S4 will probably be. Of course that's just my opinion - hope it doesn't offend anybody. So if S4 comes out with great looks, stylish design and clean, good looking UI - then i might say "damn, i should've waited". But if it shares the latest "pebblish" design - as all Samsung phones do now, include TouchWiz etc. - i probably won't care at all, even if it has 8 cores and stuff.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4 & All Other Upcoming Phones - Don't start new thr

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/06...v-on-march-15th-and-on-sale-from-early-april/

April 15th release date(according to Sam mobile)

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[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Just a quick FYI.

SGS4 isn't octa core but quad core and also it's not 4GB RAM but 2GB RAM.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4 & All Other Upcoming Phones - Don't start new thr

More chances of having exynos octa I guess , that must be the reason for announcing it just a month ago

Just speculating

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[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well... Some of those aren't real arguments. I mean, sure, the front and back are fingerprint magnets, they're made out of glass. All glass surfaces are fingerprint magnets. The white one won't suffer from this as visibly.

The slightly lower speaker quality is because it has to be waterproof. I personally don't really mind. As long as I can hear it ringing and can understand what people say in the occasional video it's fine with me. It's a phone, not a portable stereo system. Also, people using their phone speaker in public really annoy me :P

The reflective surfaces were done on purpose to make it blend in with your surroundings. Put an Xperia Z on a table in a room and it'll reflect the surroundings, almost like camouflage. I quite like the idea.

And well, the Q3 flagship... Possibly. But we haven't heard any serious leaks about it yet and Sony might just change course. Even if we'll see a Q3 flagship it won't be that much better than the Xperia Z. And when that hits the market will you complain about Sony releasing another phone in Q1 2014?

The reasons you buy a Sony phone aren't the same as the reasons you buy a Samsung phone.

You buy a Sony phone because you want using your phone to be an effortless, nice experience. You want to be amazed by the design every time you take it out of your pocket. You want to feel safe using it because of the solid build quality. You want to enjoy the little details in the theming, the tiny little pixel that is just perfect. The exclusive Walkman and Album apps that are the best on the market. You want to get this warm, fuzzy feeling every time you see Sony doing another nice thing for developers. You want to feel the anticipation for updates that make your phone feel brand new again. You want an Xperia because it feels like the phone that fits you.

On the other hand the only reason you could want a Samsung is because it has the best theoretical specs. Samsung's hardware and software design do nothing for me, and their horrible marketing doesn't help either. Their design lacks refinement and sophistication. Their software lacks unity and simplicity. Samsung's support for open-source development is pretty horrible too.

(Wow, I think I just wrote one of my best pieces of Sony marketing :P)
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4 & All Other Upcoming Phones - Don't start new thr

^^^Sony is going to hire you, they already fall short on marketing :D:p

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[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Haha, good one! :)

But i agree. Reasons for buying Sony and Samsung are different.

I still think that Samsung will get ahead of Sony in terms of raw specs - year after year. Cheaper materials allow them to pack more specs and keep the price low. For lots of people specs are the most appealing thing - right after the price. Sony has to keep their materials better and prices higher - so that they can appeal to different kind of users, because if they went for Samsung's market share - they would most certainly fail. Samsung is probably the best at providing reasonable phones with great specs and low prices.

Both companies have completely different approach towards design as well. While Samsung moves towards rounded, streamline shapes with their "back to nature" slogan - Sony goes for classy ( i don't mean better ), classic looking devices that stay close to hi-tech looks.

Also they include completely different software. I dare say Sony pays a lot more attention to its software design than Samsung - but that might just reflect my personal taste.

So, i hope we won't start a flamewar here :) Some go for Samsung for their design and specs, some go for Sony. Both are great - and each of them is better for different groups of people.
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
He is right though.

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[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4 & All Other Upcoming Phones - Don't start new thr

I agree bro, but my recent experience with Xperia S, Sony Tablet S, P was not so good thats why a bit cautious, also at release the price of XZ gonna be SGD 998 !!

After a mnth, it will be 800..so I think its better not to rush !! :)

And I never said that anything wrong with XZ, in my post I just mentioned the points (not cons or negative thing)

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[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
New Xperia Z review and a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws3Rqx9ZcXU - review by Stuff UK :good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Tz95i-HSE - xperia Z video performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aUxKcCAxm8 - xperia Z unboxing video
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Just got this from a friend's email :D Definitely gonna make me buy an IPhone and an Xperia Z/SGS4/HTC M7 killer! Hahaha

[YOUTUBE]urT2ww5LdW4[/YOUTUBE]
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
I love the video. The battery would not last 15 min though :P
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
My local three store had a xperia z today (was very surprised at this actually) had over and hours play with it love everything about it and the audio is very good, it is more than loud enough in headset (I was using my urbeats in ear headsets). I also played with the nexus 4 again and the Z is louder not that the nexus 4 is low in volume.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Did u honestly say samsung horrible marketing? You think Sony has done better with its phones? That whole post was filled with so much crap that i cant quote it all :silly:
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
They have a lot of marketing, but I personally think it's not very good. It's inconsistent and doesn't convey any sense of premium.

I also have to say that I live in Belgium and there is little to no marketing for mobile phones anywhere. I've never seen a TV or print ad for a phone.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
I've seen most of recent Samsung "Next big thing" commercials. Sarcastic mocking of Apple, HTC, Nokia and Blackberry is not good marketing. Sony's marketing is not good either - but for different reasons - it's basically non-existant, at least where I live.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Sony's marketing isn't very good either and almost invisible pretty much everywhere, but they're going to improve a lot this year and have increased their budgets by a lot.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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I think he meant that he doesn't like samsung's advertisements , but it is successful marketing too , looking at their sales.:D

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[Xperia Z General] :
Belgium is a strange place then. I am not aware of many places where you don't see an over-dose of mobile ads.

As for Samsung's marketing, I am pretty sure they are doing just fine. Their quarterly sales and profits numbers tell you exactly the same story. And they are growing at a much faster rate compared to other vendors.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Ah Ok

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Oh ok. Well here in the US samsung is literally everywhere. From tv commercials to subways, ESPN, superbowl, ads on busses, in NY' time square, just everywhere. They have done a very good job, and they turned A LOT of iphone users into android users. They may not push the build quality (and quite frankly its understandable considering theyre not that great at it) but they are pushing agressively their features and how it does things better than an iphone does. Samsung is cleary trying to dominate the US market, they already dominate Europe and other parts of the world.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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^^^true they are mostly dominating the market throughout the world and giving tough competition to apple in U.S,

They are being very aggressive through their marketing in U.S

We might see some great competition in upcoming days...

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[Xperia Z General] mr.suff:
I had a play with it in my local Three store yesterday. These are a few comparisons and impressions that I took away from it.

Apparently Three get demo units in about 3 weeks before the device launches. Who knew?

Camera crop comparison.

The originals can be seen here.

Nexus 4

Xperia Z

The phone is blisteringly fast. It doesn't feel slower than my Nexus 4, and in most cases felt faster. Surprising as it's pushing way more pixels.

The model that Three will be selling is the C6603, this includes the necessary bands for LTE in the UK when the various networks deploy it.

Comparison images with a Nexus 4 here and also the fingerprint magnet that is the back of the phone.

Of note I believe the actual retail models will have a different display to that of the one that I've been playing with.

This video shows a black background for the on screen keys

Unboxing Xperia Z

Whereas the unit I used shows a much lighter grey. There was no way to change the display contrast or any other configuration settings for that matter.

The viewing angles were excellent though, so I'm not too sure why we are seeing differences at all.

It's a shame as people looking in store will see a display that 'looks' worse than say the Galaxy S3 and be put off.

Hats off to Three in the Highcross for putting up with the barrage of questions I had.

Hopefully this helps some of you make a more informed decision.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Good job with the pictures! Thanks for that extra detail, also whats the launcher on the nexus 4?
[Xperia Z General] mr.suff:
I figured this would help people better. This is the first time I've been excited for a device since the Galaxy Nexus.

The launcher on the 4 is Action Launcher, it's really nice, very simple and quick.
[Xperia Z General] doodads:
Wow, sample pictures and everything. Great hands on man.
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Good work mr.suff
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
For Samsung Fanboys who are waiting for Galaxy S4, I have a bad news, if you're expecting Exynos Octa core processor, it won't have Mali T628, it'll have PowerVR SGX 544MP3.

source : http://www.anandtech.com/show/6666/the-tegra-4-gpu-nvidia-claims-better-performance-than-ipad-4
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Sony has announced that the Xperia Z will be available at S$988 without operator subsidies from March 1 in Singapore. It will hit the Xperia Store, Sony Stores and Sony Centres on March 1, while the local operators will start selling the Xperia Z from March 2.

SGD 998 is suicidal IMO !!!

SGD 800 is more than enough for XZ..

Full Story:

http://asia.cnet.com/sony-announces-availability-of-xperia-z-in-singapore-62220410.htm
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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Yes its there but sgx544mp3 clocked at 533Mhz should perform around iPad4

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[Xperia Z General] schrickm5:
How does the Adreno 320 in the Experia Z compare to the PowerVR SGX 544MP3?
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
They are both great, that's the important thing. Based on what I have read and think, the PowerVR will have the edge. But really, the Ardeno 320 is perfect already at the moment. There are really no apps/games that fully use this GPU yet.

One of the reasons I am going for a beautiful phone this year, is that I believe the gap between devices has almost completely closed. 2 Years ago, clearly the Galaxy S2 was the best. It could handle 1080p flash video perfectly, a very smooth browser etc. It was just better then the other devices. Last year, the gap between the S3 and the One X was very small. This year, I believe something is happening again what has not happened since years.

Before the first iPhone, all the phones basicaly could do the same, it was all about which one you liked better DESIGN wise. I think this is (partly) happening again. The Xperia Z, S4 and M7 are all great. Many specs are similar and overall they seem to score the same. They can all do the same, they are all smooth, with only a few very tiny differences between them,

That's why this year I just want the (insanely) beautiful Xperia Z.

Anyway, just saw this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg

It's about the Xperia T, but I am afraid the same applies to the Z. Anybody know?
[Xperia Z General] :
Adreno 320 will be comparable to 544MP3 when running at 266MHz (as in iPhone 5). iPhone 5 uses 543MP3, but it's similar to 544. I believe only difference is DX10 compatibility and double the triangle count compared to 543.

Kindle Fire HD uses 544 (single core) @384MHz. It scores about 11.9 in GLbenchmark.

You can extrapolate this for Exynos Octa with triple core 544 clocked at 533MHz.

Exynos Octa GPU performance should be similar to A6X in iPad 4. Also, note that Exynos Octa will have the highest memory bandwidth for any phone SoC (ignoring A6X which is used in iPad). I assume Apple will also have 12.8GB/s bandwidth in upcoming iPhone.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
I don't think so. This video is actually quite annoying. It presents a shatterproof film like it was a bad thing which i find ridiculous. Sony applies a screen protector and it's suddenly a bad thing ? It's a good thing for me, i'm glad they did that.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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(This is just a calculation real world performance might differ)

2x of iPhone5(29fps) so(sgx544mp3@533mhz, ,supposedly exynos octa's gpu) around 58 fps in glbench , nexus 4(adreno 320) gets 33 fps and ipad 4(sgx544mp4@280mhz) 52 fps

Performance would be par of adreno 320 and somewhere around iPad4

It could compete with adreno330 and tegra 4 too.

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[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
That statement does not make any sense, considering the latter slaughters the Adreno 320. The Exynos Octa is going to be faster, no doubt about it, both in CPU-performance and GPU.

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One of the better things about the device imho. There are almost no screen protectors at launch available here for newer phones, so I'm glad Sony decided to include one. Other manufacturers should take notice.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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Thats what I said :confused: PowerVR SGX 544MP3(with that clock frequency, used in Exynos octa) would be way better than adreno 320(almost twice ) and somewhere around SGX 544MP4.

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