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[Xperia Z General] anirudh412:
And you seem to know what materials the S4 will be using, how? If your answer is based on the S, S2 and S3, then you are just speculating.

I am all for 'openness' and freedom and all that good stuff. But the basic fact is Samsung phones (the ones that are made off late) are much better than Sony phones. Ask the 10 million or so who bought the Note 2 and 50+ million who have the S3. You say thats marketing? Well, guess what, marketing can only take you so far. If a phone is out there that performs and looks better, it doesnt take long for the word to spread. For a phone to be accepted that widely, it has to have plenty going for it.

Frankly speaking, threads like 'Z vs. the S4' are just plain ridiculous. While we are at it, why not do a 'Z vs. the Note 3 and iP5' too?

All that being said, I am looking forward to the ZL myself. And will also pick up the S4, if its worth it. But just dismissing a phone that hasn't even been announced yet, is just plain ignorance.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

+1 on that
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Yes, I dont know why people cannot answer simply:

Option1: Yes, i will wait till S4 release then decide.

Option2: No, i love XZ design n features and for me its complete pkg, I will buy immediately !!

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] :
So, XZ which runs on 'quad' core is good, but if other phone running on quad or octa core is bad? So, why is XZ on 'quad' core if it's so optimized? Why not run it in a single core SoC? You guys really sound like typical WP/Nokia fanboys who will write anything without even thinking about it. When a phones has less 'cores', fanboys will tell you hardware don't matter. But the moment they have more 'cores', they will taunt others. nvidia says T3 has 12-core GPU. Does that make N7 any worse? Do I worry about number of cores? No. Do I want my phone to have best hardware and SoC? Definitely. I don't want a under-powered phone when I am paying premium prices. And I want it to be optimized.
[Xperia Z General] Matarese171:
The bickering to be honest is a little lame.

I'm 99% sure the Galaxy S4 will outperform the Xperia Z when it is released. Phone specs have gotten to the point where they will all run very well regardless. Stuff like looks, build quality, support go a long way for me these days and the Xperia Z looks good all those qualities which is why I'm seriously considering upgrading to this phone.Water resistance is also a HUGE + too.

However since I can't upgrade until April/May I will probably also get so see what Samsung off before I decide (I'm not to fond of Samsung design so it would have to be something very special to turn my head from the Xperia):D. I'm pretty sure I won't be going for another htc thats for sure.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
That something is wrong mate. No idea why you would think such a thing? lol

As I said, I have had 3 Android devices:

Nexus One - which was an amazing device with amazing support from the developer community.

Galaxy S2 - Again was amazing phone with a good following of devs and at the time, it was a top Android device. BUT, it had its problems with some developers. IIRC developers often commented on Samsungs "broken" software which they needed to fix and repair, which had its challenges.

Galaxy S3 - Amazing phone blah blah, best smartphone, but even more problems than the S2. Broken software, Hardware problems (emmc), SD problems, Memory problems.

If you follow the way Samsung are doing things then its only going the wrong way. Worst of all is they fooled the Samsung Supporters (us customers) with their BS following the Exynos 4 source. They really do not care about anything except making money. Call me a fanboy whatever but I have never had a Sony device ever, only Samsung which I have always praised. But after the S3 it has turned me right off their BS. Even if the Sony phones have a slower update to newer Android versions, I am sure due to the phone being easier to 'develop' for that it will get updates quicker now with a larger dev base, or if not then it will still be a pleasure of a device to use. Quite the opposite of the S3 i am using now, stuck with Touchwiz rom as CM is real buggy, and huge memory problems after a couple hours of usage.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
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.... you just don't make any sense. First of all hkw do you know for sure that the S IV will be all plastic? What if its a strong polygarbonate like the One X or lumia 920? Second, your xperia arc doesn't run as smoothly as an S3, even if its capable of running the same software. I won't even mention how battery life is affected. I suggest you buy a nexus S as your next phone since you don't need all those extra " crap" cores like you said and it will be cheaper for you. You realise that sounds idiotic?

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Because same thing happened with the S3. When it was announced, everyone said it was ugly, that they won't be getting it. Next thing you know many people bought it. That phone ( S IV) is expected at least 3 months from now, I'll be surprised if Samsung, which has become a major player in the smartphone industry and who is the only OEM competing directly with apple, doesn't learn from their mistakes ( broken software, hardware issues like you mentioned).

Now truthfully, I don't expect every consumer to buy the Galaxy S IV nor do I expect all of us to buy the XZ, its great that we have different choices ( both will be great I'm pretty sure), all am saying is I won't be surprised seeing people here that are bashing the yet to be announced S IV, actually buying the device and loving it.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Will you quit yapping on about the same old nonsense, the s4 will be just as good as the xperia z if not the xperia z will be better, lets face it, we have all have problems with samsung, it be hardware issues , brickbug, sudden death syndrome, the list is endless, 2 years on and they still have the same problems, the xperia z is bringing something new into the market thats all i can say, so quit with your biased BS theory about how people are gunna jump on to the band wagon with the s4. Past experience counts for jack, for all you know the s4 could be a massive fail. Frankly enough me and everybody else are sick of what the s4 is going to offer. The bloody phone isn't even out yet, for the most part people are here to discuss about the xperia z and its features, and perhaps a debate on how the phone differs from phones in the market right now, not on some bs speculation that you have gathered from rumors or whatnot.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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Those sds and exynos security issues have been fixed with newer updates and are rare, no I haven't mostly seen a issue with s3 atleast , even cm10.1 worked very smooth on s3 (quite like nexus 4) and battery is good too maybe I am too lucky with my experience :confused:

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If someone is saying that s4/any upcoming phone will be best phone or a crappy phone then it is a pure speculation for now and I think thats a known fact and i didn't need to say that:p
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
The actual problem is not gone. all they are doing is making the kernels safe for it, but they are not tackling the issues at bay, ie solving the issues with the phone altogether.
[Xperia Z General] Lagggi:
Xperia Z seems to be a top quality smartphone.I looks like an iPhone...

I'm curious about Samsung galaxy s4...Will it be as Z?

S3 is a plastic stuff...
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

And what difference does it make, does it effect anything ? If it does then they will have to see to it , if it doesn't then it shouldn't be a problem

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:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
You have a valid point, although I think the people who said the S3 was ugly were quick to judge based on pictures (it does look slightly crappy in pictures ie. the blue looks bright a tacky but in real it looks 1000 times better). A lot of people jumped on board because they wanted the latest tech and the viable option was to go from S2>S3, however now with Sony in the picture the choices have been opened right up. You do not need to go S3>S4 anymore to get a quality Android device. Not even S3>HTC. S3>Sony has just became available.

Regarding the S3's issues. Samsung have supposedly "fixed" aload of things, but still they haven't released sources for the Exynos chip it "promised" to do so by the end of 2012. That alone shows they had no intention to do so and it was merely a tactic to hush everyone and treat their customers like fools. What makes you think they won't do it all over again? by that i mean release aload of broken crap with the S4 and then say "ok we will release the source, and fixes by end of 2013". It's a matter of what you think or believe, and after Samsung's error of lying to the people and lack of transparency, im out and so are a lot of people

At the end of the day we need to sum up the differences between the XZ and S4 and choose a device to suit our requirements and needs. As we know nothing about the S4, we can only guess so much. Personally, XZ has a quality screen which will be one of the top screens available for a while. It is also plenty fast for my daily usage as I am not a hardcore gamer. All the other techy specs all suit my needs fine and I do not require much more than the XZ has to offer. The water/dust proof and supposedly "10x stronger than Gorilla Glass 2" tempered glass are a huge bonus, If i don't shatter my screen or soak it in a glass of water then I don't see why I need anything else. Bonus on top of Bonus, with a upcoming dev/community base and the Manufacturers support, I don't see any issues with having a top end spec phone with solid performing software < That over a higher spec phone which is buggy all day long....
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
The update hasn't fixed the sudden death syndrome, people with the update are still facing dead phones
[Xperia Z General] :
Appears that in 2013 flagship Android will have following :

5-inch Full HD display

S4 Pro, then towards end of year Snapdragon 600, 800

Around 2500 mAh battery

8-13MP BSI sensor

Some phone will use Exynos (Samsung), and a few will use T4 (probably HTC/Asus).

Almost all vendors like Sony, HTC, Samsung, ZTE, Huawei, Lenovo will have similar phones with little differentiation.

It appears that Apple will still have lead in GPU, android will have more powerful CPU.

Android will still suck in tablet apps, and nokia will release another pureview with a thickness of 11mm..

Let me see how many of these are correct by year-end..
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
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[Xperia Z General] Nethojs29:
If in february I'm not able to get a Nexus 4 (or maaaaaaybe wait for Nexus 5) I'll def get Sony's Xperia Z... b4 smartphones era I was with Sony since de CXXX series to the Walkman series, I always loved the design and even in the WXXX phones you can flash to have flash menus (first reason why I didn't change to nokia or BB). The only problem with me will be the price, here in México a phone like Xperia Z will be at easly $13,000 pesos ($1000 dollars)
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
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Wow dude that's expensive. You should try the UK retailers, I suggest handtec ( www. handtec.co.uk) they deliver internationally and its roughly 700 USD. They have great customer service too. Here's the direct link

http://blog.handtec.co.uk/2013/01/23/buy-sim-free-sony-xperia-z-black-or-white-craftsmanship-design/
[Xperia Z General] Nethojs29:
That changes my plans... I was thinking to get Nexus 4 in MercadoLibre (same as ebay but for latin america) and it will cost almost the same, thanks for the link, will think about that.
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
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Probably the hardest one- xperia z vs xperia zl
[Xperia Z General] anirudh412:
Dont get me wrong, the XZ is one heck of a phone, but what sets the XZL apart is the insanely thin bezel. As someone pointed out a few posts back, phones in 2013 seem to heading in the direction of 5 inch, S4 pro etc. I am imagining the XZL with status bar and nav bar hidden and LMT launcher. The phone will look all screen :good: Just waiting on the reviews now
[Xperia Z General] thanostsimo:
correct me if I'm wrong guys, but won't the 1080p screen slow down the performance ? also, thinking that the internals are the same as Nexus 4 (CPU/GPU, RAM) wouldn't be better to have android 5.0 at summer instead of sacrificing the updates for the screen's resolution, camera and waterproof design ? IMHO nexus 4 is better because of support, and purity of OS. It's about personal choice, anyways.
[Xperia Z General] sachinaik:
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Samsung diluted S3 style with Grands, s3 mini.

This is highly unacceptable for users of S3. Samsung has no loyalty to heigh end customers.

One more thing, I was reading an article in wikipedia, had to come here to comment on the dilutions.

Now m not sure whether the page will be there or killed or if reloaded whether it will load it in the same location as I left it earlier ?

I can surely say Sony would not make such braindamaged mistakes.

We can change the PPI to match 720p if adreno 320 is too much of a concern. But the build quality, high end feel, water proofness can never be provided by anyone else.

Any thoughts ?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
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Nonsense.
[Xperia Z General] anirudh412:
Huh, what? So dilution would be to make another model which has a similar design language as the previous model? Then the iP4S diluted the iP4? :eek:

Loyalty to high end customers? Its not like you are buying a limited edition Ferrari or MacLaren Merc. Its a 600 dollar phone that 50+ million people besides you already own. How's that for dilution?

What is up with this sudden Sony fanboyism everywhere? You can be sure of this, if the XZ sells as much as the S3 did, Sony WILL come up with other 'lower end' phones similar to the looks of XZ after a few months. It makes perfect business sense, get over it.
[Xperia Z General] airizsyah:
ahh damn.. i miss those flash menu so much, especially that vertical menu and a girl dance right beside :crying:
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

What do you mean to say? That mali 400mp4 falls short to 320 in 3d games?

Are you talking about benchmarks? If you are talking about games then u won't see a difference in gaming .

Also grand and s3 mini have inferior specs compared to s3 .

Almost Everything you said was just rubbish to me and else left was your personal preference
[Xperia Z General] BrownchildProd:
I can see GS4 topping Xperia Z spec-wise. :) But I'd still prefer Xperia Z if GS4's design is generic like the previous gens.
[Xperia Z General] theindievisual:
I think he was talking about the form factor of the phones.

He feels it's unacceptable that Samsung would share their highest-end flagship design style with lesser products that aren't in the same price range, while Sony is making a clear distinction that their flagship the XZ is of a completely different caliber design-wise than even its ugly twin the XZL.

I see what he's talking about, although it's definitely not an issue for everyday tech customers. You don't see Mercedes putting high-end, elegant styling on their C-class cars because they need to keep a premium feel to their more expensive models. Something like that.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
All i can see is :

Design (looks) and Dev support ＝ Sony

Specs and features ＝ Samsung

YOUR CHOICE!
[Xperia Z General] Deonix:
Actually it's only your choice... It has specs, it has features. It's a great phone. I am curious what the new HTC has to offer, as well as the SGS IV.

But Xperia Z will be a strong competitor.
[Xperia Z General] vegetaleb:
I think Xperia Z is a very sexy phone but it won't stand a chance with HTC M7 and its 4.7'' Full HD SLCD3, specially for the SLCD3 part which is superior in colors and blacks compared to Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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S4 could also have RGB sub pixel layout ...or even something better

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What do you mean by dev support ? Is it support for devs or the dev support for users? If its latter then s4 would also be having the bigger community

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What do you mean by dev support ? Is it support for devs or the dev support for users? If its latter then s4 would also be having the bigger community
[Xperia Z General] anirudh412:
Pretty sure he mean support for Devs which is non-existent in Samsung's case. And just because the S3 has a large dev community working for it doesnt mean everything is fine. Every CM/AOKP/ AOSP ROM for the S3 has some or the other niggle. Ever wonder why even a GNex works as smooth as the 'ALL POWERFUL' GS3 even though its hardware is much inferior compared to the S3?
[Xperia Z General] sachinaik:
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Thanks bro. U got me right.
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Sony C530X "HuaShan" Pictures Leak

Is that a transparent strip at the bottom of the phone?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
He means support for devs. There is no point having a phone with a large dev community, if Samsung keep promising the devs the sources they need but fail to deliver. Sony won OEM of the year, because of the way they have been helping the community, ie unlocking bootloaders, giving them sources for cm, giving devs phones to test, they supported more devs in a year than samsung have EVER supported devs. Either way this results in having the latest version of clean and stock android. I mean the cm mod team were able to get cyanogenmod on the xperia t fully working in 3 weeks, when it took 3 months to get a decently stable cyanogenmod for the s2.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
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There's no point of having a large dev community? That is an idiotic statement.

The more popular the device, the more devs work on it and it gets support. S3 users have more dev support than they need. Samsung devices are so easy to root, install kernels, ROMs...and with Odin its pretty much impossible to brick your phone. Plus there are lots of aosp ROMs (not buggy) on Sammy devices.

Its great that Sony supports the devs the way it does no question about that, but saying that it doesn't matter how many devs work on a device is just nonsense. Besides if people really want AOSP as their main ROM then you're better off buying a Nexus.

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Exactly.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That's were your wrong. Despite the S3 having a large dev community, that doesn't change the fact that the S3 roms are buggy as ****, no matter how many developers they are it doesn't make a difference they will still face the same problem with the roms. What does make a difference however is the help the OEMS provide devs with. The xperia T got CM10 in two weeks?! Thats seriously crazy. Two weeks and there wasn't even a stable cm for the s3 and the s2. Don't cloud yourself with this BS to try and justify your needs as a consumer. If you like roms with no sources, that's fine by you, either way me and everyone else is going to a future proof, stable, fast phone. We all know the problems that devs have been having with the sound and hw composer blah blah, now devs have had enough, everyone is boycotting samsung because of how useless they are, as a matter of fact the only one staying with samsung is gokhanmoral. The rest of the cyanogen team and alot of devs have had enough of samsung and their time wasting. Samsung phones are more trouble than what their worth, leaked buggy unstable kernels, brickbugs, sudden deaths, exynos exploit, samsung just add shifty features then cut corners completely. They add stuff like svoice, smart stay, yet they still have so many bugs out their waiting to get found. "Besides if people really want AOSP as their main ROM then you're better off buying a Nexus." I have never heard such nonsense in my life, I SHOULDN'T NEED to buy a nexus device to have AOSP on my phone? It's my right as a customer, i mean android is OPEN SOURCE, remember, its not my fault that OEM's add their own skins to devices?
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
May I remind you that

ROM Chefs != Developers

Just because there's loads of custom ROMs on any device doesn't mean it has a large dev community.

It's a great let down for us developers when we get compared to some guys who just mix and match system files.
[Xperia Z General] schrickm5:
I have grown a little disillusioned with Samsung since the lack of source codes. Not necessarily the lack thereof but the lack of willingness from Samsung to help the community, no they don't have to, yes its an extremely small group etc etc Also by the developers continually mentioning how bad the code actually is (ask AndreiLux developer of the genius Perseus kernel for the S3) even though the hardware is great. Compare to Sony who seem to be great with the Community, and I can imagine they dont botch up the kernel codes as much as Samsnug do.

But the thing that really has made me finally change my mind is that the Z instills an emotional response of desire, sufficiently enough for me to be excited (no other phone has done this for me including the SIII).

I really think they have hit the nail on the head this time and I wish them the best of luck in gaining the market share they deserve by making the products they do.

...am I a born again Sony Fan Boy?
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
What you need to understand is regardless of how big and powerful the XDA developer community support is for a particular device, It would only go as far as the device/manufacturer allow it to go. As we have seen first hand in the Galaxy S3 history here on XDA, even the almighty developers there have been stumped by Samsungs miserable failure.

Thus if Sony had the same problem, with their developer support, they would have probably did something about it and fixed it to allow the community to continue with their work. As mentioned before this is a BIG reason to jump to Sony alone, Inferior hardware isn't a problem if it runs 100% perfectly, opposed to superior hardware that offers below par performance.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Wow, look at how crap the xperia z screen is compared to the HTC Butterfly/DNA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gco0D0Xqmlk

I don't care what any fanboy says about the angles et al - the Butterfly screen is still indisputably MASSIVELY better than the one on the XZ.

It's frustrating because sony almost had the perfect phone - too bad the flaw turned out to be in the most fundamental of aspects of a phone.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
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Viewing angles does not matters to me !!!

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Those angles weren't even extreme. I use my phone a lot while laying it flat on a desk/table - precisely at the angle shown in the video - and it looked absolutely horrible. Sony should have done much, much better with that screen.

Besides, even straight on, the SLCD3 Butterfly screen will probably be much better anyway.