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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] imnuts:
You clarified your stance by telling me to chill out and that people are interpreting your post how they want and not how you intended. Yeah, that's really clearing things up. Telling people to read and not interpret is not clarifying, and from what I've seen, you still haven't clarified anything really.

IMO, you're the only one taking things personally here, but then again, I'm a fanboy, so I know nothing.

But AT&T is the bees knees, nothing is wrong with them, just Verizon.

Custom skins and themes may not have applied properly. The HTC Hub, from what I remember of it, was designed for their international phones. You try to apply a theme or skin to a carrier branded phone, and all of a sudden, things may not work properly. Imagine using a theme that inverted the status bar, but didn't include icons for CDMA, all of a sudden, you have no idea how your service is. I'm sure there are other areas that could see similar issues as well.

You also need to realize that we (being users on XDA) are likely <1% of the overall market. Do you think people realize that blocking mode even exists on other variants? What about S-Planner? Hell, most people probably don't even care to much about the branding as they're going to put their pink aluminum stickers and hello kitty case on the phone anyway.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
So, you're basically admitting that you decided the intent of the post before even reading it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
The options were completely missing. No ability download sound packs or new skins, etc.

Look at reviews for the Thunderbolt, Sensation, etc. Many reviewers pointed it out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
No he is saying you set the tone as combative right from the title.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Because they didn't understand that HTC never made skins for cdma other than what was included. The way the hub worked, you couldn't limit skins downloads without limiting everything else too.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
Which would have been clearly contradicted by the substance of the post, assuming that you hadn't already made up your mind what the intent was, based on a title.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
What is the difference between skins for GSM versions and CDMA? We're talking about UI colors and the shape of the menu bar, here.

Sound packs?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Which everyone has done so far except you.

You think you might want to fix that to clarify?

Or do you want people to continue to misinterpret your intentions?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
You're right. I guess expecting people to actually read and be objective is just expecting too much.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] imnuts:
What would be different between the two? Hmm, maybe the icons and EVERYTHING related to telephony and network connectivity. Even if it pulls the same icon up, it does it via a different method. Depending on how the did their themes, you're asking for a lot of extra man hours for coding and testing for something that probably isn't going to reach even 10% of the overall HTC device market.

From a person that is being equally objective in their interpretations of responses...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Ever seen an Ev symbol on a gsm phone? No?

Take a skin that looks for an hspa icon instead.

It won't skin the Ev symbol and therefore things glitch and look dumb.

I already explained why limiting one part of hub downloads limits all including sound packs. You must have ever missed that.

I could be wrong about the reason why but so could you. It's just a theory.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
The skins had nothing to do with the network icons, nor app icons. The changed the colors of the UI elements. That's it. There was no reason for them to be missing, nor the sound pack downloads.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
It is clear that you a. Don't understand what you are talking about and b. missed the point.

How you went from the reason that you thought they were removed to now knowing there was no reason is amazing.

You are a very inconsistent individual. First you theorize why and then unconditionally know that there was no reason to do it.

I recall applying hub skins and missing status icons and/or have them the wrong color.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
I'm reasoning, based on evidence, eliminating possibilities that don't fit. Scientific method.

Meanwhile, you continue to try and make me out to be something I'm not and twist the facts to your advantage. Bravo.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
You know I have taken many chemistry classes between high school and college years ago. I know the scientific method very well. What you are doing is assuming. There is nothing scientific about it.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml

Ask a Question

Do Background Research

Construct a Hypothesis

Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment

Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion

Communicate Your Results

You went from step 1, to 3, to 6. Missed a few things there ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
AT&T already received their update with Multi-window and several other issues resolved, Verizon has a half-assed Multi-window since launch but has yet to update the device past the Exynos exploit fix, which by the way they were late to the party with as well.

Blocking Mode not working for Verizon is already not a CDMA issue as Sprint GN2 users are currently enjoying it just fine without error. It's most likely that Blocking Mode interferes with a paid service that Verizon charges and the f***s broke it on purpose so we couldn't avoid paying them.

S-Planner, I have no idea why this would not work. I mean really.

The ONLY thing saving Verizon is the fact that they have the fastest and biggest network right now. Which is pretty damn important, no doubt. But every other aspect about them is a negative to me and plenty more people. Why defend them? Do they pay you for that? Seriously they're one of the finest examples of corporate greed today and the fact that a customer would defend them after they've done so much wrong is just mind blowing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
So, not only are you assuming that I did no background research (I have), you're claiming that I'm announcing some results (I didn't).

Part of science is eliminating improbabilities, such as "Verizon blocked skins because of the CDMA identifier".

You think you're clever, but you're still just trolling. Congratulations on passing Chemistry class, though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
ATT just got an update to use multiwindow for the first time. I get that ours is half-baked, but we shipped with it and I really think that was Samsung dropping the ball more than anything else. As for Blocking Mode, I said it doesn't work on Verizon and so far that holds true in every case, even the GS3. I would have to ask, but I think it worked fine in ICS. I don't think Verizon just changed their mind and told Samsung to block it for their own apps. Most likely something was broken in JB that needs to be tweaked for Verizon's network. Again, that would be Samsung dropping the ball.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Sounds pretty announced to me. Are you forgetting about what you post? As for passing, thanks man! 1995 was a tough year ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] greyhulk:
So, shooting down one of your ridiculous theories is announcing a result to the overall question? Fail.

You're the one who needs to do research.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] JasonGeiger:
If they would acknowledge that instead of ignore it and close threads on their forum when people ***** about it (yes they are ****ty about it and get why they close it). Just say hey we are sorry but its broke on our network right now and I'd be cool.

Sent from my Note2 running cleanrom 4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/12/27/att-galaxy-note-2-multi-window-view-update-rolling-out-now/

Dec 27th is when AT&T started providing the full update. "Just" is hardly the proper way to describe when their OTA was released :P

I am aware Blocking Mode doesn't work on Verizon. You and me already investigated this in another thread some time ago. I reached out to Sprint Note 2 users to ask how they fair with Blocking Mode and all responses were positive, leading to the conclusion that it is not a CDMA issue, but rather a carrier issue. Could it be that, like the S-Planner, something was wrong in the launch build and it was put off till later? Sure, we won't know until Verizon decides to update our phones (whenever that may be) but at the same time until that occurs the theory that "hey maybe they intentionally broke Blocking Mode" is still plausible. Time will tell.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Does any carrier do that though? Admit their f' ups? This is an honest question and I am not defending Verizon here. Heck they banned me several years ago for life on their forums. Samsung admitted their f' up on twitter regarding multiwindow.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
A little over three weeks ago isn't recent in your book? :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
More recent than Verizon's OTA lol oh wait what OTA xD
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
The one today?

;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
Eh I don't count that lol it's all the more proof that they CAN update devices on a whim they just choose not to.

And I'm not 100% on this, but I wonder if the Dec 27th update to AT&T already has the exynos exploit fix? Might not, not positive.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] imnuts:
OMG, Verizon can't update their phones, yet they shipped multi-window and have the exynos-exploit patch update out already. Hey AT&T, where is your exploit update? By my knowledge, VZW is the third device to get updated, after T-Mobile and the international versions.

And yeah, blocking mode is totally a huge deal. OMG, my life just wouldn't be the same without it. A feature which doesn't work at all as far as I know, even on ROMs ported from other firmware that it works on doesn't work on VZW, so obviously VZW is the one that got rid of it to screw users, not because it doesn't work. I'm sure no one ever thought of that though, seeing as they can't even remember their own posts.

Sent from my Galaxy Note II
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] skynet11:
I'm in agreement with OMJ - all the carriers suck, but AT&T and Verizon both take the cake in my opinion because of their insistence on jacking up prices for their data plans. It's a functional duopoly - either Big Blue or Big Red announces a confusing and more expensive pricing plan or some other profit-driven policy change, and the other follows suit shortly thereafter.

Sprint and T-Mobile tend to have more customer-friendly policies because they have no other choice. Those policies (especially the unlimited data plans) are probably the only thing keeping *all of* their customers from flocking to the Big Two, because their networks lag far behind in quality.

In any case, this thread is kind of pointless because both AT&T and Verizon have consumer-hostile policies and meddle way too much with the Android devices they support. On the other hand, both carriers have their strengths, such as Verizon's superior network and AT&T's superior device selection (in my opinion - notwithstanding the lack of a DNA equivalent).

As for the huge Verizon logo on the Galaxy Note 2, I have a much bigger problem with the fact that the device has a hardware home button at all, and that is obviously across all carriers ;)

Tl;dr -> hehe, imnuts likes Hello Kitty :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
1. You seem to forget the whole part where they were nearly a month late to releasing the device. They had all that time to add features. Instead they used most of it getting it to work on their picky as hell network and slapping labels all over the device, along with their bloatware.

2. Do we know that the Dec 27th update doesn't have the exploit fix? If it doesn't then cool story bro Verizon got this patch out so fast to keep their precious gated community network safe from harmful hackers. But they will take the next 5 months giving us an actual update for features/OS update where as AT&T will have already been on it.

3. It was a feature of the device on pretty much every review I've seen. Just because you don't care for it doesn't mean the whole world has to bend to your will and accept that Verizon hosed it.

4. What? It works on all other variations of this device including Sprint which is also using CDMA. Is Verizon's network really that anal that it won't allow this feature to work? Since neither of us can say for sure, you keep theorizing that it's just a broken feature due to the network, I'll keep theorizing it's Verizon being greedy.

5. Because porting firmware from a totally different radio based device is always fool proof and always works right.

6. I'm sorry, what? Calm down, smoke a bogie and then make some sense.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] skynet11:
Actually, smoking bogies increases paranoia and causes a nearly uncontrollable appetite, as demonstrated by Shaggy and Scooby Doo (though there's no direct proof that they actually smoked bogies...)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
I don't think it does.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
You can keep bringing up that it works on Sprint all you want, but it doesn't on Verizon. It simply doesn't, on any device. Even if you port international firmware, to my knowledge it doesn't work. So obviously Samsung needs to do something for it to work on Verizon. Why are you blaming a carrier for that? It doesn't work on Note 2 JB, nor does it work on GS3 JB. I don't see where the theory part comes in if it works in international firmware, and magically stops working once that same firmware is on this device ;)

As for porting, the code is virtually the same between the N7105 and us. Only a few libs must be changed for core functionality, dealing with the RIL (obviously). The rest is apn and csc junk. The CSC junk isn't required.

As for being late on releasing a device, I wasn't aware there was a global release schedule. Not defending Verizon bringing it later, but Im not aware of US carriers ever having a synchronized release schedule.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
It's getting better. Granted, we never even had a Note 1 release on Verizon, so the fact that we have it with the same hardware as the rest of the world (aside from radios of course) is a feat in and of itself. And one that I am most glad to see.

I am of the belief that if there was some kind of issue with Blocking Mode and their (Verizon) network then they should have taken the time they had prior to release to get it working. Even if they couldn't get it to work, some transparency into the process would go a long way in customer satisfaction. A lot of people are upset about it over on the official Verizon forums and their response is moderation and censorship. That doesn't look well from the perspective of ticked off customers.

I'm really just hoping that the first real OTA we receive for this device, whenever that may be, shows us a working Blocking Mode along with all the other fixes that the other carriers already have. S'all I'm sayin'.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
I wouldn't be surprised if Blocking Mode was an oversight. It was missed on the Note 2 and subsequently the GS3, I mean if they can miss something major like autocorrect (still not fixed in 4.1.2) and the exynos exploit, I wouldn't put ANY faith in their abilities to notice blocking mode,
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DaRkL3AD3R:
Very true you bring up an excellent point there. I'll be staying skeptical I guess and just continue putting my faith in the developer community.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] 1ManWolfePack:
It's a price you pay to be on the fastest network
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] imnuts:
If VZW shipped late with multi-window support, why did it take AT&T another month after the VZW Note 2 was released to update and add multi-window? Hell, even the leaked firmware that wasn't on the device when it shipped had multi-window in it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] bigd5783:
I'm honestly not sure exactly what you are talking about Verizon controlling my phone. Before I bought this phone I made sure there was an unlock. I do not buy a phone untill an unlock method has been found. If an unlock method would not have been found I probably would have gotten the DNA. Of course if there ever comes a time that every one of their phones is locked down like a Motorola I will be changing to T-Mobile again.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
The OP is looking at the glass half empty vs. your half full approach. Almost none of his argument applies to unlocked devices, but because the majority of people don't root (or visit forums for their phone like nerds), that is what he concentrated on.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] bigd5783:
Yeah I know. Most users here do root. I've been around android since the G1 when I discovered root back in the RC29 days it was like finding gold. Back then it was a requirement so you could get all the awsome improvements that devs were putting in there. Now most of those improvements have been baked right in to the default android experience so unless you are a super user really there is no need for root. Personally I still use titanium backup, app sync, and some other root programs and the need to debloat these stock roms. It's like they take a nice fast phone cram it full of garbage so it will run slow. I just dont get it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] skynet11:
Edited to spare the poor innocent rooted Galaxy Note II users from yet another corny joke...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] kevinb91:
I dont find Verizon's Share Everything Plan confusing, I do however agree on profit-driven policy changes. Share Everything was designed to be easier to explain, while taking our unlimited data, and eliminating the possibility of "stealing" tether services. We can thank all of the hobo's that bought Verizon's Jetpacks and ran apartment buildings off them for taking our unlimited data.

On Sprint's end of the trail they are screwing theirselves... they advertise unlimited data when in reality (or the fine print) there is a 3gb, IIRC, cap. After you hit that cap you may as well plug a phone line into your pc and call earthlink because your phone is useless.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] lostnuke:
Smh....
[Galaxy S III Mini Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sn0w0nS:
Anyway to root without using odin or pc? cant find my usb cable
[Galaxy S III Mini Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackknightavalon:
Yeah, with Heimdall. Seriously, get a new USB cable.

Sent from Spaceball One.
[Galaxy S III Mini Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sn0w0nS:
Thx for the info ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wkhvh91lp7792yr

Requirements:

1. A custom recovery.

2. A nandroid backup.

3. Stock files, sans root.

4. Optional, but recommended that you use this to backup root access first:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en

It shouldnt hurt root either, but make a nandroid to be safe.

If you lose root, try flashing this:

http://downloads.noshufou.netdna-cdn.com/superuser/Superuser-3.1.3-arm-signed.zip

Updated: Removed tz.img because I don't think its needed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] SeanPlunk:
So this is the OTA minus the new bootloader? So basically the new radios and the kernel patch only?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] nnnnr14:
Trying this out but back up to two different locations just in case.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Yep, and whatever else it patches.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] nnnnr14:
So I can just make a nandroid and flash it over Beans v6 and it should install the radios just fine right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Nope. Check requirements ;)

I added a third one in anticipation of that question.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] SeanPlunk:
1) Will this work for the Verizon version of CleanRom?

2) Do I have to unroot? The directions aren't clear to me. Sorry about that.

3) If I do have to unroot, can I just use OTA rootkeeper to root again afterwards?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
All answered in first post (requirements).

Thanks :)

1. No

2. No

3. If you lose root.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] nnnnr14:
So ill have to be on stock rom... :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Yes. There is no safe way (that I know of) to force patch files on a custom rom.

When I get home, I can make a deodexed patch file, but it will overwrite any custom changes you have.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] nnnnr14:
Custom change? As in rom or themes cause I could always flash beans or another rom afterwards right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Sure but if you flash a rom after, you just overwrite the OTA anyway.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Niko49:
Hey adrynalyne, thanks for all the work!

I'm about to apply this now and I have a quick question. I "Deferred" the initial update for a few days, so if apply this, will my phone still try to do the update after the deferred time? Or will it do a check on the version and see its already updated?

Thanks,
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
It will stop annoying you if you apply this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] nnnnr14:
Ohhh... :/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Niko49:
Everytime I try to apply this I get "assert failed: apply_patch_check("/system/app/SystemUI.apk", "<insert some hash>", "<insert different hash>")"

I am running CWM v6.0.2.5, and I am running the stock Verizon ROM with a few mods applied.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Yeah you have modified SystemUI.apk. You will need to put it back to stock. The original files must be in place.

Also, this might not remove an update if its been deferred. But the new one can't install over this one so... make sure you have a custom reovery flashed, run it and it won't be deferred anymore.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Niko49:
Thanks, My "Wifi-Toggle" mod had modified it. It looks like we will also loose "All apps to Multi-Window mode" too, as the services.odex file has to be restored as well.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] cphastings:
I am running TWRP and getting an error message as well:

assert failed: getprop("ro.product.device") == "getprop("ro.build.product") == "t0ltevzw"

E: error in /sdcard/safe_update.zip

(Status 7)

Error flashing zip '/sdcard/safe_update.zip'
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Old versions of twrp have broken asserts. You will need to update twrp to the latest version.