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[Xperia Z General] :
Let's rename the thread to XZ vs "imaginative" GS4. I don't hear any other phone apart from imaginative-GS4 in the vs list. Did people forget that HTC, Nokia, Moto, Apple, ZTE, Lenovo, Huawei also make good phones?

XZ have a fight against all these flagships, and not just GS4. There will be many more innovation over the course of 2013. I never thought I would see a discussion based on AOSP-based ROMs. No disrespect, but I am more concerned about how good the stock ROM is. That necessarily makes or breaks a device.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I know here everybody talking n comparing phones on basis of dev support, company support, customization, rooting, etc.

Think about those millions of people who just want to BUY a phone use it the way it is !!

Samsung S3 and Note2 here beats Xperia all models till now...none of the previous models from Xperia (I have used till Xperia S) are as smooth as S3 or Note2 (forget about UI n looks).

How many of you agree on this???

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
very true bro..

it entirely depends on what the user wants.

here at xda since more are frequents for devving and modding, hence we always take that into consideration

samsung sells more coz of its crazy distribution network and marketting.. they are so aggresive

a lot of my friends who are into smartphones dont even know about sony phones.. and if they do they dont know which ones came out recently

also many i see around who use note 2 or s3 or note 1, dont even use the play store to access apps .. they havent even logged in, ask them why they got the phone, coz they heard its creative etc etc.. but they just use for calls or texting usually..

so its all about desire and what they know is out there..

it basically depends on several factors

even though they all make great devices.. sony is really into the game with development
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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I don't agree s4 would be more like s3 not s2 and if s2 is buggy and s3 is better then they should improve more with s4 ,I am just speculating like you all about s4

And they had said that s2 didnt had good enough hardware for official jb they are giving the update atleast I dont think any other company released jb for an generation old device

sent from Xperia sT21i
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
This is what is keeping me from pre-ordering the XZ. The phone looks great, and Sony is known for their great dev-support, but I'm wondering if that is enough at this time to warrant a purchase, when we have plenty of new phones being announced at MWC soon. Guess, we'll know soon enough.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

No , your prefer to stop because your comment was nonsense and you thought I never used a samsung before based on your guess alone. Goodbye.

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Development isn't all about aosp "stuff" FYI. And I use an S3 from time to time, aokp, paranoid, jellybam all work like a charm. Again with due respect to the cyanogenmod team, development isn't just about it.

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I surely do.

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Exactly. I never heard so much about aosp roms myself. Reason why this thread has become an S4 Vs XZ is because people know the S4 is gonna be a strong phone, so they bash it and say that the XZ is gonna kill it. Now we still have no clue how the S4 is gonna be, but these fanboys apparently already know all about it.

Anyways, lets summarise this thing.

On one side you have people who are saying that the XZ is a better looking for than the yet to be announced S4... That Sony supports the dev better (that's true), that it will receive key lime pie before the S4 ( that's very unlikely but u never know), that the aosp roms are more stable than the Samsung ones ( maybe but since when is development all about aosp?) That Samsung build quality is cheap, that it is buggy, that their devices brick, that 8 cores is unnecessary, that they suck, that they will never be able to build a phone like the XZ...

Then you have others (me included) that think the XZ is a good phone, that its probably Sony's best phone (actually definitely the best) but that the S4 will most likely have more devs support due to the popularity of galaxy devices ( I mean 9/10 people are super happy with their note 2) , that Samsung stock roms have more features, more roms, more themes, more apps, more mods, that the exynos 5 octa is gonna be a beast, that it will probably have a removable battery and will ha e lots of aosp roms.

I get it, this is an Xperia thread so I don't expect most people to agree so It doesnt matter, the same discussion could be happening in the S3 forum and Sony fanboys wouldnt have anything to say.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Yup this thread is Xperia z vs all phones not Xperia z vs s4 let's discuss all of em

sent fromXperia sT21i
[Xperia Z General] sofia-captivate:
i dont see the different between z and zl
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
ANYHOOO...

Here's a camera comparison between the XZ, Note 2, XT and the iPhone 5:

http://www.test-mobile.fr/actualite...ns-photo-note-2-808-xperia-t-iphone-5-053823/

Open the images in a new tab to see them full size.

Have to say, things are looking pretty decent - especially considering the lighting conditions/non-final software etc.

http://www.test-mobile.fr/actualite...ns-photo-note-2-808-xperia-t-iphone-5-053823/

Sony went with the 'less noise/less detail' trade-off and try to compensate for it by over-sharpening but IMO the XZ just edges the rest out when the overall picture is taken into consideration. Good times.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Thats true to the untrained ordinary eye of the public. But however still imo the S3 sucks even as stock, the memory issues are ridiculous, I cannot imagine not being able to remove the bloat and how much more RAM that be eating up right now :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Warning : spoilers

Xperia Z(above)

Xperia T (above)

Note 2 (above)

IPhone 5(above)

Nokia pureview 808 (above)

If you ask me Xperia Z looks bit too dark In some of them
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Okay2 it's development issue of course samsul is suck. I am using s2 now and feel frustated about custom rom with a lot of bug.

For anyone that say samsung's hardware is important because it's faster is funny. I prefer user experience than hardware issue.

Iphone 5 only use dual core till now but when opening application and browsing it's faster than s iii quad core processor.

U see how galaxy nexus jelly bean is smooth like s iii ics.

For people who say samsul have more rom, but they have a lot of bug and crash.

About slow updates in sony who cares as long as dev team can make a stable rom? :p that's way more faster than wait 6 month for samsung release official rom

I want to change to xperia z but one think that make me confused is the screen issue.

I search for some screen comparison like xperia z vs sgs iii and It looks like sgs iii win in viewing angle and color sacturation.

How is your opinion about display guys?
[Xperia Z General] G-Bus:
Haven't gone thru all the pages but how do you guys think this phone will be battery wise?! Looking at the specs it doesn't pack many mAh's compared to whats already out there. I know it doesn't mean that if it has bigger battery that it automatically translates to better battery life but better have more than less.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
You can't have a slim, compact phone and a huge battery at the same time.

What I've heard/read is that the battery life is quite a bit better than the Xperia T and Xperia S - which is quite impressive if you ask me. Both had sufficient battery life for me (on the stock ROMs with no modifications) so personally I'm not worried. As long as you get through the day you're fine, no?
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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S3 will always have oversaturated/natural colours and xperia z would always have less saturated/natural colours and xperia z will be brighter and screen would consume more battery whereas s3s screen would be less brighter and consume less battery and since xperia z has a higher resolution and a different sub pixel layout it will show much clear text but not necessary the difference would be noticeable.

S3s screen would consume most battery when displaying whiter colors whereas no battery is consumed when displaying black colours and xperia z should consume battery mostly same in most of colours but white would be the colour best to display.

xperia z would be better under sunlight because of brighter screen

When viewing something which has a whiter shade ,then xperia z would appear washed out whereas s3 would look natural,and when viewing something which has a more darker shade then s3 would appear oversaturated and xperia z would appear natural.

It depends on your needs which suits you best
[Xperia Z General] G-Bus:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Yeah if Ibcan get thru the day safely I'm good. My gf pisses me off with her Note 2 and its sick battery life lolll
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
left to right

Xperia S, Xperia Z, Galaxy S 3, iPhone 5

cant even see s3's screen. lol
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
Point on the last page about stock users is valid. The major source/dev rel issues with samsung really only affect power users, not general consumers. Having said that, this is XDA, we are all here to flash custom roms! From this alone I can deduce what will happen with the 1H13 models in respect to XDA activity:

LG OG2 - Locked bootloader and limited distribution, great specs but it's never going to be a dev-friendly phone.

LG OG - Locked bootloader, very hacky ways to flash it to N4 nand but none of the OG stuff works (buttons, card slot etc). Again, going to be pretty quiet. Probably just a few people trying to make it work like an N4 (hint - just buy an N4!)

HTC M7 - Stunning looks, new lean sense,,,, however it'll have a tiny battery and a half arsed bootloader unlock. Sources will be slow in arrival and not entirely working. HOX dev has stalled because of all these issues and the phone is less than a year old. Most devs are getting pretty unhappy with it. The phone is physically stunning but it just makes me sad that activity is dropping off so soon.

SGS4 - Powerful hardware, terrible plastic body. It'll have replaceable battery and mSD which many see as essential. No exynos sourse is going to make dev work horrible.

You'll get plenty of kangs so the dev section will appear busy, but they'll all be broken in the exact same ways. Note current SGSIII devs vowing never to touch another exynos device.

Xperia Z - Great looks, decently powerful (though I expect some of the MWC releases will use newer chipsets), mMD slot, mostly up to date android. Official releases may be a little slower but you've got proper sources in good time, alpha/beta releases, participation with AOSP etc. Sealed battery will be an issue for some (though not me personally).

Motorola X - who the hell knows?! Will it get nexus-speed updates? Will it have the traditional moto e-fuse? Reality is probably somewhere inbetween but this series is probably the only real unknown. I shouldn't be calling this a 1H phone though because it's still looking like a june/july/august type release.

M.
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Wait a sec, isn't all Xperia until now only dual core phones that's running hd screens? Surely isn't fair to compare those against S3?
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
Yeah and that's entirely the problem. From a consumer perspective the Sony phones of past haven't been particularly interesting. They've created a little niche with a range of relatively waterproof phones but that's about it. Sony has interested me from a dev rel perspective in the past, however this is the first Sony phone that's actually got me excited since... ever.

The new focus on top end phones i think will be very good for sony. Hopefully not such a large range of phones but more focus on the phones they do have.

M.

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Samsung phones are immensely popular with consumers. They have good advertising and excellent distribution and carrier relationships (and this is a huge deal, make carriers want to promote your phone and you are set). By nature they will have more devs simply because a whoooole heap of people buy their phones. However lots of devs /= awesome dev work. Samsung make things much harder than they need to be for devs, lack of exynos source is obviously one of the major flaws but their many GPL breaches are a big issue too.

If you want to run a stock or touchwiz rom then great, buy a samsung. If you want to run AOSP/CM10.1 roms then you need to go in with the expectation that there will be issues.

Likewise, I am not saying Sony are perfect either. It will be a smaller dev section, official updates may be a little slower, however their general company culture and interaction with devs leads me to believe I'll have a much better experience with custom roms on this phone. If you want a perfect dev phone you still need to buy a nexus, but there are reasons I'm not buying the N4 too.

M.
[Xperia Z General] capricornian:
Haha, I have just breezed thru this thread and it amused at so many comments, let me clarify at the onset, that after reading both sides I am convinced that people who are pro Sony, are expecting Z to be an over the top phone.. get yourselves to the ground.. and those who think Sammy will get S4 which will solve all their woes are probably the same ones who got S1,S2,S3 and N1 N2 and got disappointed each time.. S4 will be no different..

Point is they cant bring in the best phone in the world in just a year's research, its an iterative process and every variable in the equation keeps changing every 6 months...

However, incremental improvements are obvious in both the cases..

As it might be clear now that I am not pro or against anything right now.. we all must understand the needs we have with the phone that we want to buy, rather than focusing on the wants of others...

and at the need of the day most of us feel that the device should have awesome dev support, which comes from disclosing sources..

Heres what i think, Every Sony fan boy here thinks that Sony is going to get naked for the dev support, which might be a big misconception.. just like Sammy did, sony might also not disclose the sources later on and devs will crib to release the codes...

who has seen the future to the point of predicting it?

Right now the scenario is that Sammy is winning the market share and reaping the benefits of releasing sources earlier than Sony, once Sony catches up Sammy might start releasing again..

Right now there is no need for Sammy to release, But I cant predict this again.. who knows bad experience from Sammy might not again lure the devs to switch back..

Bottom line is there are many if and buts and no one for sure knows whats S" " is gonna be like or say new X" " but one thing is for sure, look within to get the piece you need rather than looking at others to get what you think you need..

cheers.. my first and last reply on this thread..
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

You still think cores matter? :eek:
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Of course cores matters, and chipset, ram and so on. If you put the software in a slow system its gonna be ... well ... slow.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

S4 plus (dual core) is good enough for now to run anything smoothly , provided

a good software
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Yeah I know :o

A friend of mine got a Sony and not only do I like the way things look, but it's also surprisingly smooth and fast. My OneX even with the fastest custom sense is schoppy and slow if you compare it. :(
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
Camera samples of the Sony Xperia Z vs 808 PureView vs iPhone 5 vs Note II appear (macro, low light) - http://t.co/YiDLrE23

loving the quality of Z .. wowww!!
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
No one said anything about Sony definately releasing anything.... But what we did say is that Sony at least appear to be helpful and DEV friendly, rather than like Samsung who fill the air with bull just to keep people quiet for many months, not to mention their list of bugs. They have turned off A LOT of people including myself who has had both S2 and S3, and unless they do something about it, it's gonna hurt them in the long run... especially now Sony has just joined the game.

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These have already been posted mate. No need to individually link them. Could've pasted a link and not waste our time
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
argh can someone say some things so im inclined to keep my nexus 4 ?
[Xperia Z General] azrash:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Lol, if you don't need the extra bells and whistles from the Xperia Z, the Nexus 4 is a great phone! Just keep it for a while and test the Xperia Z at a retail outlet once it is out. You'll make a better decision then.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
lol insane pictures. This is the first time an image made my widescreen monitor look small :D
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

The price of ONE Xperia Z > TWO Nexus 4 :D

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Take xperia z now, wait for sammy release s4, think u like it more than xperia z or not.

If you like it, just exchange it. If u think it's suck just keep your xperia z :D
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
Depends where you live :p Nexus 4 isn't even available here :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

TouchWiz alone are enough for me to not choose the Samsung. But about the mSD. Is there any hope that an OTA or something could make it accept 64GB mSD cards?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I totally agree.

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But how do you know all these "facts"? How do u know that the OG2 will have limited distribution? How do you know about the M7 battery Size? What if Samsung choose another material other than plastic?

And why is it more important to have source code than have official updates to the newer OS? Is development all about aosp? If that's what people want the most why not go with a nexus 4 that is at least half the price of any of these phones and is THE most aosp development friendly phone?????
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
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Which one between xperia z, iphone 5 and gs3 make the best color saturation?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Guys,

Whats your opinion on HTC M7, heard its releasing on 18th feb..will be on sale in March !!

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] topekomsi:
Hmmmm

My guess would be the Z, if not iphone. the pentile or whatever in the s3 makes blacks look horrid.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
well it also depends on what u like..Over saturation [samsung] or accurate colors
[Xperia Z General] ila420:
Non Removable Battery

I currently own SGSII and want to switch it, XZ is a great phone from every point, the only thing which is stopping to buy it is non removable battery, lately my SGSII is giving me battery problem, drains all of a sudden and takes way much time to charge, its been two years now so it might be time to change the battery.

What are your opinions on this issue, will non removable battery cause problems ?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
If you get battery drain then just take it to sony repair center and they will either give you a new device, or replace the battery, not a big deal, just take care of the device and don't over charge it. I mean i had an s2 and never changed the battery once, and i had it for a year. The XZ has two year warranty as well so you would be covered for a long time.
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Amoled technology (GS3) is the best for blacks as there is no back light. No way to argue!

Withes and luminosity are for LCDs.

Color reproduction is up to personal taste.

Pentile matrix in GS3 has the cons of having a less sharp display at the same ppi level, less notable at high ppi (300+). It has nothing to do with blacks but can affect other colors.
[Xperia Z General] G-Bus:
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It sucks... I am not going to touch another HTC phone ever and not because I dont like my One X, I love it.. but just recently they shut down a devs website that was hosting roms. We all know HTC isnt doing to well and this is their plan?! To go after devs?! They promised source code for the One X and it never came. Instead 7 months later they came out with the One X+ worse than Apple.
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Which one is more real guys?
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Depends what you are taking ideal as , everything is relative
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Huawei - Oppo - ZTE

The D2, rumored P2, Finder 5, Nubia z5 looks great from a specs view point?

How are them from a dev view point:

Are them supporting?

Are their bootloader encrypted?

Easy to root?

Thanks.
[Xperia Z General] ila420:
Even i am not considering to change the battery of my SGSII, it only gives me problem whenever i charge it with china made local charger not the original, but you do have the option to change the battery if it dies, you can't do that with non removable battery phones, so this issue is stopping me to buy XZ, i might be wrong.
[Xperia Z General] :
Cant wait to get mine. Regarding the S4, it will be a power house but a plastic one which ill pass on, just get what you prefer. I'm passing on Samsung this gen but I did love the S3, good phone. I always keep one Android and one iOS. Xperia Z and iPhone 5 does me fine for the next year or so.
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
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I bought S2 for specs over Gnex, then JB came along and my greed paid off. Won't do the same mistake again.
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
Yup, thinking about upgrading to the Xperia Z from an SGS3, until the Note 3 / Nexus 5 comes out(depends on how much I like the XZ). :good:

Bit worried about the display not being IPS. Anyone here seen it in person yet? :confused: