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[Xperia Z General] :
I think it's the Intel SoC which uses HT. I though don't trust much on all-in-one benchmarks like Antutu/quadrant because there is a lot of scope for manipulation. Instead of testing one component like just the CPU (Geekbench) or GPU (GLbenchmark) or RL Benchmark (NAND), they try to do everything. Eventually they end up messing it up completely. But people are

speculating

that it's a very good SoC. Their challenge will be in power efficiency and GPU.

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The Octa SoC number is '5410'

This was shown in the presentation of the Octa in CES.

There was also a tweet from Samsung, it was later removed:
[Xperia Z General] doodads:
But that is not the 5440 right? That's what I was getting at.
[Xperia Z General] :
It's obvious that 5440 will be even more powerful compared to 5410 (Octa). There was rumour about another SoC 5450 recently which is a pure quad-core A15 SoC clocked at 2Ghz and Mali-T658 MP8 GPU. Such a SoC can

never

be used in a phone, unless you have a nuclear reactor to power it.

It's quite possible that few digits have been mis-placed or changed. Not a big deal. One thing is sure - you can't put a A15 SoC by itself on a phone. It has to use A7 for batterylife. Don't worry, SGS4 will definitely have Octa. Pure A15 SoC will be used in tablets or in netbook devices (chromebook possibly).
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

exactly^..Was wondering the same thing.. 5440 would need a lot of power and we would need a hell lot of battery power to keep it running.. cant believe why sammobile would think that would happen..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] doodads:
Sammobile isn't the one saying it, they are linking to the actual source which is this: http://android.caotic.it/2013/02/esclusiva-samsung-galaxy-s4-lancio-a-fine-marzo/

They are the ones that say the 5440 is not Octa.
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Wonder if it will utilise top and bottom speaker for stereo video playback in landscape mode.:confused:
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Oops..my bad.. I looked at the wrong link.... 5440 is not octa..its a lone powerful quad a15 processor..they are right about that.. but that rumour cant be true.. because a quad a15 is wayyy too powerfull and you would need a lot of battery to run that... 5410 is octa..it has 4 a15 and 4 a7 cores.. so when that much power is not required, 4 a15 cores would switch to less powerfull 4 a7 cores to conserve battery.. if the s4 runs 4 a15 cores all the time, the s4 wont last much on battery..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] derWolf_:
The M7 looks hideous. Defenetley going for the Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

So its not their (sammobile's) internal source I guess.

But I think they will use octa until they really want to mess with the battery of their phone:cool:

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

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Agreed:D
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

A bit OT but this could be Galaxy watch

(Everything rumor for now)
[Xperia Z General] :
^^ True..

I think there is a huge (I literally mean humongous) misconception that Exynos Octa will be more powerful than a quad core A15. Definitely not the case. It's a very simple logic -- Octa has 4x A7 cores which will perform most of the mundane tasks, A15 kicks in just a few times when required. So on average a

pure

A15 will have better performance compared to a Octa. It's different matter that for most mundane/trivial tasks, we will not see any difference between a A7 and A15 performance.

The main purpose of Octa is to save batterylife. If you just modify your thinking in terms of power efficiency and battery life, you will find the benefit of Octa.

Quad core A15 ----> big.LITTLE Octa (negligible performance difference, but significant improvement in batterylife)

Let's not discuss anymore about Octa. This is getting boring now. At this rate, Samsung won't have anything new to show in their GS4 event :cool:
[Xperia Z General] MadManMark:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I dont think we are in a world where we can wear smart watches without looking like nerdy douchebags, at least not until apple make one and it becomes trendy :p
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I don't care how much core samsul's processor. Just need a source code for exprrience the best ROM. Never buy cheap plastic and using a buggy ROM again. Xperia has premium feels and open source code. Only think about color saturation, I hope android dev can hack the color saturation maybe :D

Don't know why samsul try to switch from A15 to A7 to save battery when xperia z use stamina mode :D they just want to confuse newbie to think they will buy a monster hardware but it's useless after all :D
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Lol you're funny.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Take a better look at XPERIA Z Screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoNQcM8T4c8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

And what is Samsul's ?:D:D

At least you gave a good laugh:D:D

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

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[Xperia Z General] :
:D
[Xperia Z General] avetny:
Listen Cyanogen. Take sony.

I am samsung fun boy and its nothing bad about it. Sams making nice hardware. Software is also optimized much better than this laggy Sony experia z.

But sams dont care about us any more. Check the galaxy note 2. Cyanogen mod is dead there. Fuk* I did the best aosp theme there, and Im tired of it. I bought samsung because I knew I will change to aosp later on for suure. And after I understand. No source no perfect aosp. And doesn't metter how much I like sh.itti* sams It's time to go from them.

Check this Experia Z....the kid is right ! Is laggy as f***. But! We will make it smoother as nexus 4. And you know why ? Because we getting not just a nice and expensive design we got "full" source's for future aosp base roms

Best regards.
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Samsil??..samsung fun boy^?..

This thread is as funny as it gets..lol:D

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
I don't even wear a watch...
[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
Nexus 4 vs Galaxy IV vs Xperia Z

This is why i'm waiting... big time. :)
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
What are you waiting big time for?.....to buy the Nexus?.....to buy the next Sammy?......to buy the Xperia?:confused:
[Xperia Z General] :
^^ Good.. bit of imaginative specs for GS4, but that's understandable.

I would add HTC M7/One to this list as well. And going forward, Moto X Phone as well.
[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
Sony, if Samsung doesn't release the source code.

Good idea! I'll see what I can cook up ;)
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
What makes you think they even consider releaseing the source ? They promised to do that MANY times yet failed to deliver even once. Don't bother waiting for sources. Also, remember that all those S4 specs are imaginative, none of them have been confirmed... 1080p amoled screen might not happen at all - it was very difficult for them to achieve 720p etc not to mention other specs.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

http://samsung-updates.com/7669-samsungs-full-hd-1080p-amoled-displays-ready-to-mass-prodduce/

Of course nothing can be confirmed till official announcement , but 1080p amoled has been achieved according to this rumor.

And this slide was also leaked from Samsung

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

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[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
All true points but they are also not confirmed, that's why i'm waiting. "You just don't know yet"

But I honestly think Samsung is going to release a 1080P display, just look at the competition... They have too.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Couple of specs wrong there: XZ doesn't have a barometer (only the non-LTE variant of the ZL has one), and Samsung phones have locked bootloaders. Easy to unlock (thanks to their AMAZING dev team and high-quality code... /sarcasm), but locked by default. In addition, the Samsung only has SuperAMOLED, not AuperAMOLED+ (according to most reports), meaning more pentile horror.

Samsung (reportedly) had a 1080p AMOLED at 5" at CES. Original coverage was removed upon request from main article. Remained in title for some odd reason: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6645/...hone-concept-and-499inch-1080p-amoled-display
[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
Updated, Thanks.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Most probably Korean variant of Galaxy s4 (SHV-E300S) benchmarked and shows a resolution of 1920x1080

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=Samsung+SHV-E300S&testgroup=system

So I am quite sure that Galaxy s4 will have 1080p display
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Oh cmon, OF COURSE S4 will have 1080p screen !!!. How can you say it won't. Saying it will be 1080p pentile at least makes SOME sense but saying it wont have a 1080p screen is just silly. And as pointed out earlier, they have started mass producing the 1080p SAMOLED panel already.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Agree.

Guys do not doubt on Samsung's hardware department. They will release S4 with spectacular specs for sure, what Im curious is their design n material, will they change the looks and go premium (very minimum chances) !! But if Yes, S4 gonna crush everything..

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
S4 Antutu score. So seems like this year again Samsung will use Qualcomm chipsets for LTE markets. It's using APQ8064 (same chip as Z) overclocked to 1.9ghz.

Since it will release in USA only in June or so, retail units may switch to Snapdragon 600 chips by then, which run at 1.9ghz by default.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

It is using APQ8064T actually , which isn't just over clocked s4 pro , it is an s600, I have already posted many advantages that it has over s4 pro.

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

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[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

GTi9500 should be using exynos octa

And other versions would use Snapdragon 600

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[Xperia Z General] :
Samsung Should work more instead of just improving hardware but without enough quality

for example a Bug even little one in Kernel of system is shameful

sudden death of galaxy S3

security issue and etc.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

That's true. The Galaxy S3 sudden death issue is unacceptable.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Final retail models will use S600 but the current prototypes don't. In Korea and Japan it would use APQ8064 @ 1.9ghz and not APQ8064T) as APQ8064T isn't available until June. In the USA GS4 would launch in that time frame so US variants will get the S600 directly. Japan and Korea later models might be upgraded to S600.

APQ8064 board name is MSM8960 which is what you see in Z and the leaked S4 benchmarks. APQ8064T has a different board name.

Also if you think the International model will use Octa, you are in for a big disappointment. :(
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

At least the Korean GS4 is using snapdragon s600(APQ8064T) , those 41.7fps cannot be achieved by a s4 pro , s4 pro reaches 30fps by most , I am talking about GLBenchmark here.

Even though board name is different ,

But an overclocked s4 pro could never achieve that.

And if this is not fake , then GTI9500

should be using exynos octa(it is clocked at 1.8ghz),and s600 is clocked at 1890 mhz

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

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[Xperia Z General] jianlinooi:
dun forget the optimus g pro also use s600..by that time for those wan powerhouse device will not buy xperia z....
[Xperia Z General] :
Yet they'll do nothing different from what the Z does. Maybe loads a game 1 second faster... WOW. Being serious, specs in phones mean nothing now. Its all about the OS they run. Phones are fast enough as they are.
[Xperia Z General] MadManMark:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

First phones competed with megapixels, now it's processor speeds, sigh... I still use a dual core laptop, why does my little phone need 8 cores lol
[Xperia Z General] theandroidboss:
Im waiting for the google motorolla phone. It should be equall if not better with the specs of s4. It is factory unlocked and is always updated with latest stock google software.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

HTC M7 releasing on 22nd March - http://m.digitaltrends.com/mobile/htc-m7-htc-one-date-and-pricing-rumor/

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] ascariss:
Honestly I have no idea who starts these rumours about the S4 shipping with the new Octa, this chip if I recall correctly it due in 2nd half of the year and would not be available this spring when the S4 comes out. I feel the Octa will be first debuting in a tablet running windows RT, and perhaps latter on android or chrome OS.

The S4 is probably already in production or just starting to be and the chip that is to go in it would have to confirmed for the model I feel last year, before the Octa was announced I feel.

The S4 should either ship with the exynos 5 dual or quad with a mali GPU, probably T604 unless samsung opts for the big.LITTLE architecture for the new S4.

I'm still holding off on the new Z, I saw it today at the Sony Centre, gorgeous piece of hardware, the camera burst mode was a bit slower than in some videos I have seen not sure why, but otherwise fantastic phone, especially the screen. I am still wondering what Samsung will bring to the show with the new S4, the design will be a big factor for me, since it if it follows the current crop of sammie phones, I might have to pass on it, they seem bland and cheapo, too much plastic.

Next 2 months should be exciting for the world of smartphones.:good:
[Xperia Z General] MrToastedAndroid:
Would definitely stick with Sony, the phones look like Blackberries and like HTC have a very good feel in your hand when compared to a SGS3
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
I don't think that Sony fans should be making fun of the Exynos 5 Octa, even ignoring the genius marketing tactics, the dual core version in the Nexus 10 smokes the S4 pro and even Google knows it since they used the S4 pro for the Nexus 4 and said only the Exynos 5 was capable of pushing those extra pixels in the Nexus 10.

So regardless whether or not you like ARM's big little configuration, its going to smoke everything regardless whether you agree with their marketing tactics or not.
[Xperia Z General] mcFactor:
SGalaxy S -> Nexus S -> SGalaxy S2 -> SGalaxy S3 -> Now what?

I'm sick of Samsung, of their cheap plastic quality, ignoring developers, never ending Exynos problems, sick of TouchWiz, I'm sick of late updates full of bugs, security issues and brick features, I hate "Super"–AMOLED and idiots who think that oversaturated colors are natural. And then I just don't want to have anything with them. No? You don't believe it? So NO, not Samsung.

Nexus 5 perhaps? Right... Can I get current model here in Australia? Huh? What? No? Still NO after almost 4 months?! Than what makes you think next version will be available on-time, and not half a year later? What makes you think N5 will get decent hardware? I haven't even seen N4 yet...

So... Sony Xperia Z that's for sure! Can't wait...
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Yeah he mad lmao!
[Xperia Z General] mcFactor:
mad?! why is that?! :D
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

:D
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Haha !!
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

It depends on what sort of photo you are viewing and what your personal preference is, in some photos super amoled appears natural while lcd appears washed out while on others lcd is bright and natural but super amoled appears oversaturated

Some might former and some later
[Xperia Z General] mcFactor:
"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man." (C) Big Lebowski
[Xperia Z General] evildave_666:
I'll never buy another exynos device again.

Either going to be XZ or OG Pro. A little under 4 months on my contract and Docomo announced both in next season's models today.
[Xperia Z General] Lagggi:
Galaxy S4 will be a better smartphone,except I guess,the plastic quality of Samsung...:(]
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Let's see what Samsung could do better and what they couldn't do better:

Hardware:

Exynos 5 is probably a bit faster at the cost of having to throttle more and/or using more power.

Battery will most likely be a bit bigger too.

Over 2GB RAM = not going to happen

1920x1080 RGB AMOLED? Nope. It'll be PenTile again.

Waterproof? Nope.

As thin as the Xperia Z? Nope.

High-quality materials like the Xperia Z? Very unlikely.

Software:

AOSP/custom ROM support? Will be a lot worse than Sony's.

TouchWiz is a personal thing, but it doesn't fit with the Android Style guidelines at all, causing you to constantly switch between two design paradigms.

Extensive use of open standards (Miracast, NFC, DLNA, ...) is dropped or less complete in favour of Samsung's own S-Stuff and AllShare.

This is all speculation of course, but I can't see Samsung doing all that well with the Galaxy S4. Overall it'll probably be on par with the Xperia Z.
[Xperia Z General] Finguz:
I can totally appreciate people complaining at Samsungs lack of dev support and I share the frustration because I like to use custom roms. However, I find it a hell of a stretch to use the same lack of dev support as a hammer to bash Samsung and their " cheap plasticky hardware " .....

The vast majority of smartphone users don't even know this site exists and will never even root their devices, let alone use custom roms. Those of us who do like to root and swap roms were never forced to buy Samsung kit :rolleyes:

Just calm down and choose your favourite phone/tablet, life is far too short for all this pointless angst! Whatever any of us says, Samsung will still make obscene sums of money, because they produce kit that the majority of consumers want to buy and use.

This forum is just a drop in the ocean of prospective customers and Samsung will probably be laughing ( while they count the cash from their 100,000,000 Galaxy sales ) at the more vocal among you, I know I am :silly:

Happy New Year!
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Nexus 10 throttling was a software problem not a hardware problem it doesn't even have thermal sensor it uses some algorithm to calculate temp .

And this is ridiculous at that ppi you think you will spot the difference ?:confused:

Over 2gb ram whats the need ?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
If the Galaxy S3 uses the 4+4-core Exynos it will run hot and it will have to throttle. The Cortex A15 is designed to be very fast, not to be efficient. It'll either have to throttle down or switch back to the A7 after a short while under load.

And okay, the PPI and RAM stuff is fine, but I'm saying that they can't do "better" than Sony. They can do the same or almost the same but they can't really do more than Sony.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

You are talking as if you have that tech in your phone :D, yes it is designed to work very fast and should generate heat but how much/when it will throttle, it would really different in real world all you are doing here is making assumptions over nothing .

I think you have a time machine you are so damn sure about everything:D

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/01/22...vice-code-named-altius-goes-on-sale-in-april/

And galaxy s4 is confirmed according to Sam mobile :rolleyes:

Releasing around April with 2600 mah
[Xperia Z General] armanderli:
As Samsung will be yet again very popular this year with is Samsung Galaxy 4....No matter what the configuration is; the developers will work on the device...For those who don't know Codeworkx is workin' on the N7105 even though, he said that the i9300 was is last Exynos...The popularity of the device, thus the number of person whos use it , will dictate the development on the platform....Don't necessary think it is the openess....

I can bet all of you that, even the Galaxy Note 3 will be more ppular that whatever Sony will be able to come up with....Let alone the SGS4 which is the Samsung flaghsip....So No Quick buy OP wait for Galaxy S 4.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

You are right.. As a normal customer xda or users who customize must be drop in an ocean.. But this thread here is for xda users who are looking forward to development and they should know about the development status of Samsung devices which is in very poor conditions
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

VERY TRUE !!!

Know wat here we are going crazy for Xperia Z and in my office hardly anyone knows/care about Xperia Z...wat they discuss-when S4 is coming :rolleyes:

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

The design looks beautifull. this year has a lot of amazing device. Let's wait a little bit before buying :D
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
:confused:Wait for what? Technology nowadays goes so insanely fast that as soon as you buy either the ZX or the M7 or what ever phone, it will be "outdated" within weeks/months?

It's best to choose something that will last for a while.
[Xperia Z General] cyleo:
I don't like the design all that much. Looks way to iphonish. What really drives me away from HTC however is Sense, which is a shame because there devices are awesome in almost every other aspect (build quality, specs etc). For me however, it's sony or Nex due to the software.