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[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

BS?:eek: flame on!:what:

I wonder what mods will do when they look at this thread :screwy:

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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2110056

Another thread discussing same thing

This IS BS you are comparing a phone which has not released and its not even a xperia z vs s4 thread anymore its sony fans vs samsung fans

What are you trying to prove ? That something which hasn't released is utterly **** ?
[Xperia Z General] paul-c:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

I'll be getting the Z when it drops. I'm sure the S4 will be great, but I'm just not that crazy about Samsung.

Sent from my Sony Xperia ion
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
No one is proving anything mate.

Like I said before, all these devices are amazing.. spec wise,.. everything wise.. these are great companies.. trying to innovate as well

The discussions going on here are about how development friendly are these companies. Sony is really good with it, its a fact. no other arguments.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Cool down guys, just share your personal opinions.Don't try or force anyone to believe which one is better.

Both will be good phones, its all about personal preferences !!

I am currently using Note 2 n I can say its the best performing device I have used...and m still craving for Xperia Z :)
[Xperia Z General] nikufellow:
i second that ;)
[Xperia Z General] ZhAV:
buy Xperia Z....:)
[Xperia Z General] kennethso168:
Well I have a low-end phone so I don't really have much experience about this to share. But I'd still like to share my opinion.

I'll go for the Sony XZ.

The reason behind may seem a bit ridiculous, but that is a solid one at least for me. The reason is - so many people are using Samsung. I just see that most of my relatives, friends, or even people on street are using a Samsung. That is actually not a big deal. What annoys me most is the fact that people start talking about "Samsung phones" instead of "Android Phones". People seem to have forgotten about the beautiful "Android". In my opinion the beauty of Android lies in its openness, The market is open so there should be a lot of competition between companies. Phones are becoming better as different companies strive to make improvements on their phones. I'd really like to see such a potential and competitive XZ to come out and I'm really considering to have one.

Speaking of openness, it is also important that XZ is more developer-friendly. Yes Sammy does release updates for their phones, but one day it will not. The death of your phone hinges on the company's decision, which is really bad. Developers are those who can do the magic - lengthen a phone's lifespan and invent more good features for it. Taking my phone as an example. LG has only released android 2.2 for my phone so far (in few regions there was 2.3), but the developers have just developed 4.1 suitable for daily use. If there had not been any community development, I'd have thrown away my phone 1 year ago and splash out on another. The power of the developers is just awesome.

In short, both phones will be good phones, but XZ will more likely to be my next android phone because it's more beautiful - in terms of its uniqueness and its developer support.
[Xperia Z General] Alejandrissimo:
I want this phone, and also i will buy the GS4 :D
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That being said, the xperia t and v which are less than 6 months old, came out and people are facing the same problem, thats found on the note 2, peoples phones just keep rebooting and dying suddenly, so it's not fair just to highlight samsung, i mean even apple faces such issues, the chanses of it happening are 100 to a million!

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Yes, buy it from clove or amazon just to be sure

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Don't, nearly all the note 2's produced are brick bugged with the sudden death syndrome present as well, patience is a virtue my friend! You get what you pay for!

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Were specifically does this thread state that it's about "how development friendly are these companies". Will you stop with your biased BS about samsung! I am buying the xperia Z and so are most people on this thread, but stop all this nonsense about the xperia Z being development friendly, i mean its only just recently Sony started being Dev friendly, the xperia S, the xperia play, the xperia arc S? Where the hell is jelly bean offical from Sony? While on the other hand the Galaxy S2 of 2011 which has clearly surpassed its update development time assigned to it by samsung (18 months development support, and now its 24 months) and is still getting support. Sony aren't the best manufacturer nor are they the best phone company, no matter what you say about samsung at least they have been there, were is the htc sensation xe or xl with jelly bean, (which was released at the same time) its no were, samsung also has a good build and design, some people like touchwhiz, some people like timescape (or whatever it's called now) its a matter of choice but it doesn't make one company better than the other, if that was the case samsung would not have sold as many S2's as they have, nor would they have such a wide development community, as oppose to the support and development for any xperia phone released!

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Looks like money does grow on tree's ehh!:angel:
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

But why is everyone saying the Xperia Z will have better support? That isnt true. The Galaxy S IV will have more devs support cause it'll be more popular. The Galaxy s 2 has more support than the Xperia s. The Galaxy S3 has more support than the Xperia TL/Ion combined. :confused:

Dev support includes ROMs, kernels, mods, patches, themes and apps ect....
[Xperia Z General] Matarese171:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I think they mean more support for devs not more devs. Better with releasing sources etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong though
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Thats definately what they mean. It isn't hard to understand that tbh.

Samsung have been utterly appalling with community/dev support following the Exynos 4 situation. It was all a complete farce and as many predicted, it was a lie to delay until nearer the S4's release. Which was successful as it kept many people off their backs for a couple of months.

Yes the Samsung devices have many more devs supporting it, but regarding the previously mentioned issue it has also lost alot of the current devs.

Also, considering the XZ is a new flagship device from Sony, expect alot more people to jump on board now - as their previously released devices were anything but amazing compared to the Galaxy Series of phones. If Sony continue to release great phones with potential like the XZ then, watch it not only compete with the Galaxy Series but with the better developer support from Sony - even beat it hands down.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Yes your right, it won't matter that much anymore as the Galaxy S4 will have more people working with it, and more devs, which is just about the same as having sources, but not in the same sense. Having sources make the devs life easier which means they spend less time working on fixes for bugs ect. While on the other hand the more people they are the more chanses of bugs and problems being fixed, its undeniable the galaxy s2 from 2011 has amazing dev support 2 years on from it's initial release, and this is WITHOUT sources from samsung, which makes one wonder the possibilities if devs DID have sources. The galaxy nexus which has a dual core is perhaps one of the fastest smoothest phones i have possibly ever encountered, which is down to amazing software, which shows how useless the galaxy s3 with its quad core is with touchwhiz, compared to if it had pure aosp with sources then it would simply be a blazingly fast device!

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Correct, i mean codeworkz got the xperia t and in two weeks got cm 10 working on it with absolutely no hassle whatsoever, on the other hand if this was a samsung device it would have been a different story! I am in no way a Sony fanboy, as a matter of fact i used to have the Galaxy S2 (Decided to sell it) but what Sony did with the xperia Z have restored my faith and hope in them!

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No your absolutely correct!
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
That is why after being a S2, S3 user - I am now seriously considering this phone over the S4. Regardless of what the S4 has to offer, we need to remember hardware is useless with broken software. I'd easily choose to have a lower spec phone that functions properly over a higher spec device which stutters and has memory problems all day long.

Slightly OT, but regarding the Sony devices. How easy is it to restore to stock for Warranty purposes?

Thanks!
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
For S4 I only want too see the display, can Samsung release S4 with flexible displays ???

If Yes, it can be game changer !!
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly! It defeats the purpose of paying more money for a good phone to have rubbish firmware that consumes 77.9% of the memory with running services and bloatware apps (which ofcourse is great for noobs) but not people on XDA who are geeks and pay attention to lots of detail its not very practical! And good question! i was wondering that myself!
[Xperia Z General] nikufellow:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Nah, those flexible devices were just for demonstration - we won't be seeing them mass production anytime soon ;)

leap before you think
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly, there's still a long way to go. Wishful thinking
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

You're right about that
[Xperia Z General] epulrevo:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

You came to the right thread to see how much fanboys for Sony, :D it is much as im going to get the z. Hahaha.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Something tells me that when the S4 is released, a lot of you will jump ship.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
Can't wait to get the Z .. such a gorgeous device.. everytime i see it, love it more.. gosh!
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Wow, the flagship Xperia T today got JB 4.1 alpha?

What? Did they launch it in Q4 2013 with ICS and 2 android versions behind? Quite as bad LG.

Now I understand why they are dev friendly.....

I'm not a whatever fan boy.

I'll be a fan boy of a smooth, cm supported phone that will last a full day and sd support!
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
You've said that 3 times on 3 different threads?

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You sound as if the S4 is going to be so ground breaking that we will be compelled to do so? Why? because of a useless, 8 core octa BS processor? We all know the snapdraggon processor made the 4412 exynos quad, run circles around it, so quit with this nonsense yapping. I don't see what a sammy fanboy is doing on an xperia Z forum bad mouthing the device and appraising a device which isn't even out. For all you know the galaxy s4 could be a massive fail, i mean they still have't resolved the brickbug issues, nor have they fixed the sudden death syndrome. Samsung are good, we know that, but this year is for sony, and it shows that despite their past their amending their ways and learning from their mistakes, as far as am concerned the S4 will not be significantly better than the xperia Z if not the same. The only difference really will be the processor, the software and the battery. They will have the same ram, the same camera (obviously not the same but on par with each other) and the same memory. It's down to personal preference really, depending on which phone suits ones needs. So for the last time guys, have a nice discussion about what you like about the xperia Z and what you expect, not what is "better" or performs better in benchmarks! I mean how can you base your argument on mere speculation?
[Xperia Z General] Team hammer:
can u only say wats on ur mind once on this place, im only new here and its pissing me off big time why every1 has to throw digs at each other, ive said my woman is buying me this fone about 4 times ........should i say sorry. bring on the xperia z...it looks beautiful and did i mention my woman is buying me it hahahah. im getting more excited the closer we get.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Were did you find such a woman :o! I have looked for the ends of the earth for a woman who would treat me like that :o!
[Xperia Z General] force70:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I had planned on buying both the s4 and the z but now it seems the z wont even be released in canada.....brilliant sony..just brilliant.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Did you read your own post before posting it? You're basically saying not to judge the S4/XZ before they come out and yet you're pretty sure the Xz will be better.

Anyways, no one is bashing the Xz, people are bashing the SIV if you have been following the thread. A phone that hasn't even been announced yet. Like I said a couple of pages back, anybody that posts here in this forum/thread as some kind of interest in the Xperia z otherwise we wouldn't be here, including me. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the thread says Xperia Z vs other phones. What part of that didn't you understand? There are gonna be comparison, that's inevitable. And you claim the Exynos 5 octa is a BS processor but you probably don't even know the architecture behind it, the big LITTLE, what are the benefits of it. Don't try to post any nonsense to make yourself sound smart.

We all have interest in the Xperia Z, some people are gonna get it ( I might too), we are here to discuss why we would choose it over another phone or choose another phone over it. That's a matter of preference, I get that but lots of people here (you included) are posting some nonsense when you don't even know all the facts.

About my previous comment, me saying that I think some Xz users will migrate to the S4, same thing happened with the S3. When it was announced, the majority of people were dissapointed in its design, were touchwiz haters blah blah blah but ended up getting it cause it was the best offering at its time.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
People weren't bashing the S4, like you said its inevitable that people are gunna compare devices, people were comparing the xperia Z to the S4 based on its current speculation and rumours, obviously no one is certain about what the S4 will be like and there is no way of telling till it comes out. If i didn't know the architecture behind the octa 5 processor i wouldn't have commented, the point i was trying to make was how pointless 8 cores would be as dual core phones such as the S2 run perfectly smooth, unpractical if you must. " I get that but lots of people here (you included) are posting some nonsense when you don't even know all the facts". Oh mrknowitall tell me what "nonsense" am i posting? Infact do you care to tell me the 'facts'? and so what? the S4 is based on software, Svoice, smart stay, smart rotate, multiwindow, face unlock and now "smart pause" these things can be implimented and ported to ANY device, nothing substantial. Get your facts right please, the xperia Z currently is the best phone out there, its undeniable, in a few months the xperia Z will be just any other phone, but hey thats technology, the eynos processors have nothing on snapdraggon processors, no matter what you say that will always be the truth
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Here

Not only that the Exynos 5 octa is gonna be a powerful processor, but its gonna be super power efficient. That's the whole point of it, offer the best performance possible without sacrificing power. You look at it like 8 cores is overkill, do you know this is based on ARM architecture? Once again, this big LITTLE processor has been designed to give the absolute best performance while being able to save power. For small tasks, the quad core A7 will handle the work, it will finish those tasks very fast without putting too much work on the processor. Once the phone needs more power, the A15 processor is activated and the A7 is shut down. The switch takes 30-50 miliseconds. Those 8 cores never run all at once. On top of that, just like the S4 pro but even better since these are A15 processors, the Exynos 5 octa will achieve tasks fast and power down very fast to save power.
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
A lot of misconceptions here. First, no you won't be paying more for the Exynos 5 Octa even if, and that is a BIG HUGE GIANT IF, there is no noticeable performance gain. The GS4 will be $599.99 US off contract regardless if it had the Exynos 4412 overclocked, the S4 PRO, or the Exynos 5 Octa. This isn't arrogant Apple here where they raised the Canadian price of the the iphone 5 16 gb from 649.99 to 699.99 just because it uses an A6 instead of an A5 processor. So stop acting like you would be paying more for no reason for a better chip. If anything, the optimized software you guys use to justify using an older 2012 processor like the S4 pro over an 2013 processor like the Exynos 5 Octa is probably more expensive.

Two, writing off the new 2013 processors just because software sometimes can make up for using an older processor is stupid. There are plenty of real world examples of newer processors making a huge difference to a product. Just off the top of my head. If the Nexus 10 used an S4 pro Krait instead of the new A15 architecture Exynos 5 dual, the 2560 x 1600 screen would have to be downgraded to a 1920 x 1200 screen because the S4 pro doesn't support that high of a resolution. That is just one example and there are plenty more.

Three, the S4 pro runs a lot better on the Nexus 4/Padfone 2 than it does on any other current 1080p device with the S4 pro. Now, it is difficult to pin point the reason it does. It could be that the stock Android 4.2 software is more optimized or it could be the fact that those two phones push a lot less pixels than the Droid DNA/Butterfly. Or it could be that sense 4 is too bloated. Regardless the case though, this suggests that more muscle would be very welcome. HTC and Sony need both great software and more muscle to match the speed of the Nexus/Padfone 2 so saying that the extra muscle is pointless is quite stupid. You can always use the extra power to make coding software easier/faster, reduce the workload and heat on each core, and a variety of other benefits.

So please, quit with the S4 pro is just as good and only software matters BS. There is a reason why companies make a new SOC every year. They definitely wouldn't make them very often if the best they can do is match the S4 pro. No one in their right mind would release their 2013 SOC until it trounces all 2012 SOC's, which unfortunately for the Sony fans, includes the S4 pro.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Exactly. And thats why I don't unerdstand people criticizing the more powerful processors. More powerful doesn't necessarily mean it will use more power, but it definitely will be more powerful. If you guys had a choice between a single core processor and an 8 core which one would you pick? Exactly. Don't even need to get technical, its just simple logic.
[Xperia Z General] sachinaik:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I agree. How amazingly Samsung thought of 833 MB in S3 as the space to be always filled by Samsung apps. And finally no space left for other apps to run.

For crying outloud, it decided to kill audio player but chose to keep Allshare Play, Ssuggest, music hub, video hub.

Then only when they decided to support multi window, they decided to optimise the RAM these services consume.

S4 will be nno different. 90% of 2GB will be filled with samsung ****.

Hence goodbye sammy.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly!
[Xperia Z General] DeathlessOne:
Oh i never thought 5" 1080p display, 2gigs of RAM, 13MP camera, stunning build quality can be easily compared to S3.

Proccy is moreover even better than S3. Guys please stop blindly following Samsung for the most part. Its time to wake up.

This will be the year they will be facing a head to head competition.

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Well said :)

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Waah! Again Samsung!!!

S4 Pro is far better guys! Please dont compare it with Note 2!!! Its graphics capabilities are next to iPad 3 which stays at the top spot!!
[Xperia Z General] nikufellow:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I believe sony has another gs4 competitor in the works :p
[Xperia Z General] wednesday13:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I'm sure 110% the phone dialer in galaxy s4 will take 3 seconds to open just like in s3. Lol
[Xperia Z General] force70:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Yep..gotta admit the z outclasses the s3..but it should the s3 is running 7 mos old technology..why even try to compare new with old..kinda pointless.
[Xperia Z General] erulsza:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

is it better than v??
[Xperia Z General] DeathlessOne:
Hope "cores" matters u a lot than a good phone! :laugh:
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

So now "cores" means its not a good phone?? LMAO
[Xperia Z General] DeathlessOne:
Ok then, hope u ll be lovin a "multi core" mobile inside a plastic piece of ****!!!

First understand, none of the droids here make proper optimization of the cores u mention and all the latest resource hungry apps run great on my 2 year old "single core :laugh:" Xperia arc. So please dont solely depend on cores. Its just a crap!

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Far better than V!! :cool:
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
For people questioning about sony's contribution to development.. have a look at this, their dev rel team is posting on xda itself..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=37167592#post37167592

and

http://developer.sonymobile.com/2013/01/25/jelly-bean-available-for-custom-rom-developers-alpha-rom/
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

You both are right more cores doesn't always mean good phone nor always a bad phone.

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