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[Xperia Z General] vcrp94:
Is that why the Galaxy S3 which many say has the best screen has a very visible crosshatch? I compared the screen on the Galaxy to my One X and it is so pixelized. Any phone with LCD > AMOLED.
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
Didn't know Sony fans were as bad HTC and Apple fans. Time and time again the only argument they can come up with against Samsung is Touchwiz is ewwwww or cheap plasticky. It is pathetic to say the least and humanity continues to disappoint me.

I have owned a Galaxy S2, Iphone 4s, Xperia S, HTC One X, Galaxy S3. I currently own a HTC 8x, LG Optimus G, and a Nexus 4. Guess what though? The GS2 and GS3 were easily two of the more well designed phones. Yes, they were light and yes they use glossy plastic but the clearance they use between the gap/crevices and rigidity and flex were perfect. Zero creaks or gaps, rigid, no flex, light, durable, and great heat sink properties etc. Very well designed handsets and much more well designed than all of my previous handsets except the Optimus G.

I find it amazing how people can't get past the texture of a device and label them cheap just because they don't like the texture used and ignore every other area that goes into a well made design. I hope these "smart" people never become Architects or otherwise my house might be made of steel and I get cooked in it on a summers day.
[Xperia Z General] Team hammer:
if that was meant 4 my benefit u rude weirdo then u couldnt be more wrong, ive never owned a sony b4 in my life, my phone i use now is the s3, so am i not aloud to say i dont like it coz a muppet like u is saying im not smart and that we all have to share ur option, BRING ON THE SONY XPERIA Z..........I THINK IT WILL BE THE BEST PHONE IN THE WORLD:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
It's sad how many sheep are falling for Samsung's misleading "Octa" marketing which (falsely) implies that the device has 8 cores of equal capability.

IT DOES NOT.

It is a quad core device, with four additional low-power cores. More proper marketing would be 4+4 (kind of like Nvidia's 4+1 marketing).

There's also no benefit to having four low-power cores... In any situation where you'd drop to the lowpower cores, you'll also be hotplugging out all of the extra cores. A single low-power core will provide nearly all of the power reduction benefits of a full set of low-power cores. Yes, it'll be easier to handle migration in software - but it's throwing a pile of hardware resources (hardware cost) at a software problem to make up for Samsung's utterly ****ty track record with regards to software integration and quality control. Heck, look at ICS on the I9100 - they couldn't even get basic cpufreq policy limit implementation right with that release!

Samsung's architecture doesn't handle asymmetric core loading well at all. If you have one core maxed out, and want to run some light tasks on a second core - guess what, you have to light up that second core and run it at full tilt. Samsung has a whitepaper that claims this is a good thing, but if you look at their architecture closely (check the cpuidle driver in arch/arm/mach-exynos of their kernels...) you'll notice a nasty flaw - All of the deeper cpuidle states are disabled if more than one core is active. This means that the second core is consuming almost as much power as if it were running at 100% load even if it might only be running at 10% load. Snapdragon can actually reduce the clock/voltage of additional cores that are active but lightly loaded.

Of course, the most important thing is software integration - absolutely awesome hardware means nothing if the software supporting it is ****. Look at the Galaxy Nexus - Thanks to Google and TI doing a great job of integrating the "Project Butter" capabilities of Jellybean, the Galaxy Nexus delivers smoother UI performance with a dual 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 than the GS3 can with quad 1.4 GHz A9s...

That is what you will get with the Galaxy S4 - Awesome hardware paired with utterly crap software, leading to an overall crap experience. With the Xperia Z, you'll get great hardware paired with great software - for an overall great experience.
[Xperia Z General] Team hammer:
rooting sony z

ive never had a sony b4 and ive only ever rooted my sgs3 [easy] and my htc one x [nightmare]. so could sum1 please tell me if there hard too root ? cheers
[Xperia Z General] fineazbro:
quick question?

will this phone work on t-mobile network..i mean will i be able to use t-mobile 3G-HSPA network?
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Something like 72 gpu cores:D
[Xperia Z General] PureLiquid:
You should wait for the S4 :D
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
You worry too much, the xperia Z does NOT lag, the videos you have seen so far are pre-beta's, all devices before release are laggy. When they are about to release a product they do various software and hardware optimizations. I work for vodafone and we are currently testing the final units (not the pre-betas) and i can tell you the device is insanely fast! One thing is they have a bit of bloatware on the device (will remove after root) which may slow down the device, but you have to remember, this is a quadcore, with two gigs ram, once the bloatware is gone, the device will be one of the best performers! You will never find the perfect device, i mean the s3 for instance is great but laggy here and there. The htc one x freezes all the time and isn't the best performer. Even the LG nexus 4 lags occasionally. You only have to watch out for the battery, as like i said lots of running processes will consume battery life. You can't live your life waiting for the newest device to come out :D! The s4 will be just the same, in a different samsung way, that doesn't mean its better though, its personal preference :D! I mean i currently have the galaxy nexus and it's the best phone i have ever used, its like 3 times faster than my s3, and its faster than the note 2. This is a dual-core with 1GB ram, so its not always about specs!
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
Xperia Z vs GS III vs Htc One X

Yet another Xperia Z review popped up. This time its from mobiwatch.de. The video gives comparisons to GS III and htc One X.

If you look at 7:22 there is a bit that worries me about the screen on the Xperia Z. The images look less sharp on the Xperia Z than on Galaxy S3 !!!!

I hope that it is just a preproduction model.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
That might actually happen because of screen's resolution. If the picture is in 720p - it will look crisp on a 720p screen, but on 1080p it will be stretched - with the same amount of zoom on both devices. If the picture on both phones was in 1080p - then i have no idea why did that happen.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Looks like brightness overshoot. When you put the brightness too high you create a halo effect when re-recording it and even when just looking at it because you severely cripple the contrast. Brightness needs to be adjusted to your surroundings and a comparison between to phones isn't fair if you dont have them both at the same perceived brightness (so not both at 50%, that means nothing).

The resolution argument is also valid.
[Xperia Z General] AK4TAY7BEN:
i knew someone was gonna do it :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkrx_dowlRE
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Still more than fast enough. Give Google some more time to optimize. Besides, 1300ms is pretty damn fast: My 3 year old laptop (2.5GHz dual-core) with 7 times the thermal headroom does 277.3ms (1941.1ms if limited to 5W TDP equivalent). Said laptop is admittedly a dual-core though, but even then, my Ivy Bridge quad-core at 4.4GHz can only go down to 138.7ms +/- 3.6% (about twice as fast). If anything, this looks like poor optimization in software and a not so good test in the first place: My desktop should be at least 4 times as fast (improved IPC, more cores, faster clock), like many other CPU benchmarks

Or a bad recording camera. My cheap Nikon has that all the time. Its fun to play with if you can frame it right, but looks fine in person.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

No need to put "YOUTUBE" tag there

:sly:

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[Xperia Z General] AK4TAY7BEN:
I know I realized I was an idiot but had to wait two minutes to edit it... smh
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Its jelly bean, you need not root to get rid of bloatware, just disable in settings :D, I might not root as I want bravia engine and other cool features.

Edit: who am I kidding, I depend on root apps.
[Xperia Z General] -]Megacharge[-:
I like that guy's Xperia Z videos.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
You should know that Samsung applies an UNGODLY amount of sharpening in its gallery - it's so excessive that text in the menus have weird halos around them due to being over-sharpened. So what you're seeing might not be more actual resolved detail.

Hell, the S3 when it was first released had this problem throughout the entire UI to try and compensate for the pentile matrix. I remember flashing hardcore's kernel as soon as it came out because it reduced the ridiculous amounts of artificial sharpening.

The best way to compare images across devices would be in Chrome, across all phones. That would take Bravia Engine 2 and any other enhancements out of the equation.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Lmfao exactly! and whoah does bravia engine get removed once i root :(((?
[Xperia Z General] Unexist6969:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Perhaps any useful about next gen gpu's ?

http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-a-look-of-what-s-to-come
[Xperia Z General] Vauix:
I highly doubt that. But bravia won't be present in AOSP roms.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

It can use all 8 cores at the same time....

That is dolphin emulator for android??:eek::eek:

A good reason ,why android is in need of a more powerful GPU than iPhones :D

Wish we could have rogue in our phones:banghead:

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[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
^

It cannot use 8 cores at a time. Entropy512 himself explained this in this thread. Read that first. He isn't dumb.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Read the 42nd page of this thread

It can use all 8 cores if required

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[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Even if it can't Exynos 5's only A15 cores will be more powerful than Snapdragon S4's as they're dirctly based upon ARM's A15 structure, IMO Snapdragon S4 is good enough, CPUs are out of equation at this stage, every CPU/GPU will run everything smoothly. Future proof? Tech isn't about future proof stuff anymore.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

You cannot future proof something forever ,I agree but you can make something more powerful so that it can handle new games,etc for more time in future.

S4 pro is 5-4 months old now,(Samsung) they might use something like Mali t 628 /678 which could be many times more powerful,even powerVR GPU that they are rumored to use would perform better than the new iPad with that aggressive clock frequency,which would be again better.

Same with tegra 4.

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[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
WTH..There are no games or apps still who push dual cores with adreno 225..And we are talking about quads here..Seriously all you people are so brainwashed by marketing gimmicks of companies.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Sigh... The Octa is referenced internally by Samsung as a 54xx part. Even they know that in practice its only a quad-core on account of not having the necessary kernel driver to get all 8 cores at once. Source: Anandtech post-CES Podcast (15 iirc). So yes, the hardware can do that, but without the software, it can't. And Samsung hasn't tried making the driver either... and previous efforts suggest that they'll fail at it too....
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
it's not rumoured. It's been there in a lot of Exynos octa tests and honestly, I don't want mali. S2 has it and I know how broken CM is. I can't stand touchwiz at all, I'm a paranoid android fan.
[Xperia Z General] Unexist6969:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I guess samsungs a15 + 4a7's will heat up/throttle pretty fast.. unless they have a big enough headroom, dunno if 32nm hkmg will avoid that
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Marketing gimmicks? Dude I know every bit of what I'm talking about, in details. Snapdragon S4 dual with Adreno 225 is good for current needs but you don't have any idea about other users. Adreno 225 is basically 220, I've owned Sensation XE which had Adreno 220. Now I own S2 which has Exynos 4410 and Mali 400 MP4. Which is almost as powerful, as it only has to render 480*800 pixels and tell you what, my phone lags, on official Jelly bean. Because my RAM is always 80-90% full. And I do some CPU intense tasks that fk it up, I even play games and honestly, HD games lag a bit, not buttery.

I think everyone here is smart enough and knows what he is speaking or at least most do.

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Actually it should be the opposite, it should be cooler :S. Samsung's claiming it to be 70% more battery efficient than Exynos 5 they used in nexus 10 or maybe 4412 quad in S3 (forgot). It'll use 4 cores at a time, they've partnered with ARM and done it beautifully, it's not some kinda experiment they're pulling off on us.

EDIT: I'm not Samsung fanboy (before someone starts bashing me)
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6704/the-anandtech-podcast-episode-15

(from 55th minute)

You can be right :confused:

But I didn't hear them say that they tried and failed, and (one of them) said that if they are able to implement it correctly then they might be able to use all 8 cores.

It might be too early to say anything

though ,they will have to do a lot of work in the software side if they want it to work properly it is already complicated enough with those 2 quad cores being different in their power consumption and performance ,we can just wait and see.

But one thing is sure if they are able to do the work on software side they can get all 8 cores to work at once and also some great battery life and good performance too and just the opposite could be a disaster with lots of throttling:eek:

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[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly, take a look at this video by cold fusion. I mean he struggles to even get all four cores on the note 2 to 50%, and that was an unrealistic situation! When the hell are we ever gunna need all four cores, even with apps like nova 3 and asphalt 7 open? C'mon guys, the Xperia Z is such a powerbeast you can view HDR videos in real time, i mean that takes ALOT of processing power! Lets be real here, i have the galaxy nexus and it is faster than my quad core s3 and one x, and that's a dual core with 1GB ram. With the best software optimization anything is possible. I mean there is no point having a quad core i7 processor clocked at 4Ghz with 16GB ram when you have windows xp. Coz it doesn't need it. However it is useful using an i7 Quad with 16GB ram on windows 8 because windows 8 utilises it with apps for instance. The xperia Z will hardly ever use all 4 cores, stop being trolls.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Sorry wrong post
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
My S2 is super smooth n responsive with JB. it can take on any game. But when it comes to my heavy usage (I have like 10 apps running in background) and heavy multi taksing, switching from one app to another, it fails. it's not at all about Operating System's needs alone, it's about yours too.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
Talking about the screen..Is there any way or mod to play games on XPERIA Zin full screen? I mean without the on-screen buttons..The movies play full screen though.

This is bcoz it would be a nuisance coz you can accidently touch the home/back button. Also more real estate is alwaz welcome in all 5" glory! :)
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Galaxy s3 is faster than a galaxy nexus dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsF02hBBK_I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Check this out .. galaxy s3 runs a alpha cm rom whereas a g nexus runs jellybean.. the only reason you see slowness on s3 is because of touchwiz and its bloatware.. get your facts right.. and when I play hd games my cpu use 4 cores...and I m cent percent sure s4 will be faster than a xperia z but wont be as good looking I bet..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
You dont get the point there man..Its about normal everyday use..Nobody is playing CRYSIS on mobile phones yet..Every game and app is playable on dual cores and still not able to max them..So whats with all the spec fascination. I am sure XZ and even S3 will be able to do anything [not dev RELATED] that an S4 can do.
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Ehm.. galaxy s4 uses a quad core technically if the octa core rumors is true.. and its a 15..so it is faster.. if you meant that that quad cores are useless, then why even buy the xperaia z then.. buy some old dual core and be happy.. even the good dual core ones can do what the quad cores can do..

People buy quads because they are newer and can do some stuff a little bit better...thats all.. and I bet a15s can do a little better than an s4..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
I am buying the XZ bcoz of the look..For the first time have i seen an android set that looks so much premium and also bcoz of the water/dust res. Quad core is not the reason! before this i had HTC HERO :P
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I agree. But there are people who go for functionality...and cpu.. and other small aspects. I have a s3 now.. so I can play the waiting game:p.and i agree Xperia z looks sexy as hell..lol.. I hope samsung does something like that.. I have eyes on xperia z ..htc m7 or galaxy s4..

I bet we have an interesting year of smartphones ahead of us:thumbup:

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Yes you are right,they can run any game smoothly right now ,but think about next year ,looking at that sgx544mp3 would perform like the new iPad,there would be a difference in gaming by that time.

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[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Yes dual core can handle pretty much any app, but only one or two at a time. I have around 150 apps installed, and yes I do use them ALL! I have like 6-7 apps running in background. GMD Gesture control, clipper and so on, my RAM's mostly full and my CPU is always being used. I use it like a superphone, I don't want to be just like any iphone user with android. I'm from India as well and I don't believe in the "standard" hype ;)
[Xperia Z General] :
I don't think you get the idea of cores. What has number of cores got to do with performance or anything for that matter? Do you think a quad core S4 Pro is as powerful as a dual core i5-3317U??

Just look at the GLbenchmark itself. S4 Pro can barely touch 30fps in FHD resolution. Considering all flagships this year will be launching FHD displays, do you think this is a good number? I would definitely want something closer to 60fps at native resolution. I will want something more powerful.

Here's the ultimate fact - number of cores isn't a

significant

factor. What is wrong in increasing core count? If 'octa' core or hex core is wrong, then why did we have multi-core in first place? Let's all go back to single-core A8 SoC. I want the vendors to push their limit. And I want to play CRYSIS on my phone/tablet. I know that I will have to wait for many more years, but that's exactly what I want to do. If they don't push the limit, it won't ever happen.

/rant over
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I agree with you ,no matter what someone says more powerful hardware will remain more powerful.

People are thinking that it only has more no.of cores that is why "everyone is calling that powerfull"

And falling prey to marketing ,it is not true at all!(there is more than just "octo cores")

And some say those are spec geeks looking for specs:confused:

I am aware of what I am talking about ,we have seen some upcoming games will be like epic citadel it is already a demanding game and next year there would be games many times more demanding than that and that frame rate would drop even further.

I am not even saying that you should go buy that phone ,I am just saying

powerfull hardware will remain powerfull and you will definitely see the difference by next year because games are going to become very demanding.

That's why for opengl es 3.0 Qualcomm is releasing adreno 330

I am just waiting for more phones to release so that I can have more choices and that doesn't make me someone who is falling prey to "Samsung's octo core marketing"

Lol

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[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Yes jelly bean made the s2 significantly faster than ics, yes true that but i mean it like it can really make it slow too, there is undoubtly a lot of bloatware on the jelly bean update

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http://youtu.be/zoctkpaA7-8?t=3m48s You get your facts right :) Ask anyone and this forum, we all know the galaxy nexus is one of the smoothest devices out there, anyone will tell you it beats the s3 hands down in performance. I mean the s3 doesn't even have proper sources for stuff like cm, so your point is invalid that the s3 is smoother when it comes to cm for instance. The galaxy nexus on the other hand is as smooth as they get, i can 60fps on my galaxy nexus, its really noticeable, while on the s3 it's not.

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am sorry but a 150+ apps? :|
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Bloatware? Samsung even kills AOSP functionality. I'm on chameleon ROM which is fully AOSP/AOKP hybrid Samsung. Samsung's base, totally debloated, has AOSP(AOKP) framework (not just themed) and AOSP apps.

Yes, and that's coz my 2GB is almost full. And it's not like I've kept them as show piece, I use em all. GMD gesture control, LMT launcher, Per app rotation control etc apps are always running in background consuming almosy 90% of my 1Gig RAM! It's time for 2Gig finally.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
Thats again not the point..I am saying that none of the apps use that much power and there are very few people who use 8-10 apps working in the background...mostly are killed anyway..but not everyone uses them as superphones..If anything these companies shud be focusing on battery improvements..This 1080p and cores dont matter as much rite now. I am so happy with MOTOROLA which is the 1st company who hasn't fallen to the 'cores' war and focuses on better battery.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

:banghead:

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