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[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Time will tell when its launched on the 28th and yeh it helps when you have direct numbers for reps rather than going through an office, if anyone does not like what i say then their opinion, the screen is definitely up to to par, adequate but not the best as agreed, and yes i have seen the device myself at three and phones 4 u, so im not a fool, you can keep the itard device yourself,
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
yeh true, i didnt see the jap one live, and also yes the poster did say the screen was not very good, i just wanted to believe otherwise, but no point staying in denial now, Xperia Z, brilliant phones, design is mental and quality, features innovative, just letdown by the screen,

If it turns out any better later on might be back but i highly doubt it
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
xiFIL call to Sony Rep @ 20:30 18/02/2012
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
The iPhone 5 has a 4" display with a lower resolution.

The 5" Full HD displays seem to be the "next big thing" right now but it's fairly new in the market and manufacturers don't have the same expertise regarding this new tech.

I don't have any doubts that we will see great 5" FHD displays in the future but for now, every 5" displays (Oppo find, HTC Butterfly) are being outpaced by the previous generation, CR wise, brightness wise (of course not sharpness wise).
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
If I would have had a one x I would not consider the xperia z. It's a shame
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
nobody said he called an office?

he rang a sony rep in london on his mobile and got given another reps personal number and rang out of hours. People do give out their numbers, no office will say their device isnt premium, its just one guy to another speaking their opinion, thats thats what the sony rep said,

but i dont wana discuss this anymore im just heartborken over the phone,

just stick to your orders if you want, wait 9 days you will find out yourself if you like it or not
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
-The Japanese units have the same thickness but better screens? This makes the argument that they had to use worse screens to fit 7.9mm invalid..

- I doubt any self-respecting Sony rep would talk like this about his company and flagship device.

- Sony Sweden and Belgium are both small, not likely they would know this kind of information.

- Why would the so called "dev units" have a better quality screen the production units??

- No one would take a waterproof phone over one with a high quality display, so the argument that they gave it waterproofing to make up for the bad display is ....

- Everyone could call and say hi, it's me from Vodafone.. Like they would give anybody this kind of information.

Getting the phone this week, we shall see.
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
sorry, but you must be a sony employee.

I've tried out a sony xperia z at several different phone stores, and the result is the same.

the display is washed out.

Try using chrome for example.

Try a google search, so you get the all white background.

If the brightness is up at maximum, the white background will look white. But at this high brightness, dark colours look not dark, i.e washed out.

Try then reducing the brightness, so dark colours look mostlydark.

guess what, not only do they not go properly dark, but then light colours ;like white and yellow look washed out.

i'm sorry to say, but the display by sony is not that good colour reproduction wise.

yeah i'm sure you will get used to it, and the screen is sharp as hell, but the screen colours are washed out.

Its not a massive problem, but it is a deal breaker for me.

I expected better from sony.

yeah fine i only tried display models from phone shops, but i've been assured everytime over the last few days that these are retail models.

i've played about with several different copies of xperia z, and the result is the same every single time.

i wish it wasn't so, bur i dont know what else to say.

the display is washed out/

:(
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
exactly, one x has a very good display, if you are coming from a desire or a sensation you probably might think the display is better, but if you come from premium 2012 devices, you will not feel it better, im so used to looking at one x, that yes the demo units do look drab, icons app icons, web browser etc, was hoping the final units would be better
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Exactly you were right, just needed to open my eyes, i was in denial hoping the retail units wil be better, but they are not, i am not going to settle for a cheap screen in a premium phone, just going to wait for the m7 or the s4

, also how is it possible for anyone to have a retail unit for two weeks as well? its only going live tomorrow in Berlin on the 21st, and france are ordering now!?!?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Because, unlike some other people, Ambroos ACTUALLY posted photographic evidence of him in possession of the device.
[Xperia Z General] Ampost:
Great screen- based on using it

Spent about 45 mins playing with the Xperia z (can play with it in3 stores). Very impressed with the screen contrast and resolution. I have a note 2 and it's a lot better. Also I have an iphone 5 and it's as good as that, in some ways better (and bigger!)
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Let's wait for retail devices and see what they have to offer - there is a reason why they put "this is a prototype device" marking on every video. Also, if i remember well there was a simple software hack to have Bravia Engine contantly on on previous Xperia phones - don't see a reason why wouldn't it appear for Z. I'm sure Sony won't release their flagship phone with "terribly washed out colours" and "simple horrible screen" like some people say - that wouldn't make any sense at all.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Shame you don't work for Vodafone Australia... I'm interested in finding out if they'll get the Z/ZL...
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
They're getting the Z., I don't think the ZL is coming to Australia at all.

https://plus.google.com/+VodafoneAU/posts

M.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
They are working on it too :) I work for the UK technical side of things, and it seems they are testing it now, and adding additional software optimisations and tweaks, the phone will be ready in the next 28 days though :) Source

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You bet me to it xD!
[Xperia Z General] archheretic:
Re: Xperia Z screen

I'm really interested to see if this can be enabled permanently...what was the hack on old xperia devices?
[Xperia Z General] mwatson:
Screen doesn't look washed out here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEPsojndl5g
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Sceen looks good.

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What are your first impressions of the Z?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
The device is amazing, we have the actual production devices and not the pre-beta devices, i can tell you right now the screen is in no way washed up or similar to the screens you have seen. I was told by a sony reprisentative that the reason the screen looks washed out is because they had to get so many devices ready in order for CES, devices that would be disposed of after the event, they decided to use cheaper materials, thats including the screen and the whole device, i mean they even produced the sony logo on a protective film rather than the device itself. They gave us the final product and seriously it's so amazing to look at, it's so clear and the screen is just so amazing, for a mobile phone i mean WOW! You will see what i mean when you get the device yourself. The apps are really nice, the new ui is fluid and you can see hints of project butter here and there, sony have really come in this time. Some features include sony's lost device program, meaning you can wirelessly locate and ring the device if it gets lost, screen collaborator, it comes with more features, and comes with an immediate firmware update including a few bug fixes and all. My boss allowed me to test the device outside for filming some video footage and the camera is SUPERB, seriously the sensor used on the xperia Z is the same type you would expect on a DLSR, whats more we were aloud to drop test the device, i dropped it 6 foot high on concrete and it survived, not even a scratch i swear!
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
That sounds great. I appreciate you taking the time to give me as much info to my question.

Many thanks
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Not a problem bro :D! I will be getting the device to keep on the 25th of feb, if you have any questions, feel free bro :D!
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Will do. Just about to order mine in black from Handtec. Just counting the days now.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Same! Handtec are offering the best price as of now, go ahead :D!
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Oh just one other thing. Are whites pure white, or would you say they have a yellowish look to them?

Cheers
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
The whites are pure white, they don't look yellowish at all, as a matter of fact i have got the white on preorder, the white has a nice professional glass finish to it
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
What shipping method have you gone with?

I see they have taken payment from my account, even though i paid by Visa debit card. I though payment was only taken straght away if you paid via paypal. No big deal, just a little surprised that's all.

@xiFIL

I take it the build quality of the Z is as good as some who have already held and played with it have testified, and that off feels nice and solid in the hand too?
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
Xperia Z has really nice display
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
I choose the DHL shipping, i live in the UK so it is next day shipping. And wow that's weird, they are not supposed to do that, they are only supposed to take it after the release date, you can contact them via twitter or email and see what they say. And trust me the build quality and feel of the device is amazing, i have bought the note 2, s3 and s2, and this surpasses all them phones by miles. I mean it, it feels solid and stable to hold and the glass feels amazing. Whats more is it's dragon glass so it will be literally impossible to break. The white is not a big a fingerprint magnet as the black colour, that's why i choose the white, the black does look elegant i must admit, it is all shiny and stuff.
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Thanks again. I do like the white, but I wish the front of the device had of been white too and I would chosen it over the black.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
No problem :) and they had to keep it black on the front as it is different materials and they would sort of overlap, this design is much better in the long run, and it allows them to keep the "Omni-Balance" design.
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
+1
[Xperia Z General] samxool:
which can be photoshopped.

I've actually used a real world physical version of this phone, seen it in the flesh with my own eyes, and the display is washed out.

i really don't know how many more times i have to say this.

the picture on the screen might be as sharp as hell (but so it should be at that resolution), but the colours don't look great. I spent 10 minutes fiddling with the xperia z's brightness before i accepted defeat that there was no brightness setting that would make the screen not looked washed out.

At high brightness, dark colours look washed out.

at low brightness, light colours look washed out.

bizarrely enough, there is no middle ground where the colours look ok.

i've sadly cancelled my order for xperia z, and am left hoping for good things from htc m7, but we shall see.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I don't work for Sony or at Sony, I do work with Sony as an external partner of some sort. I have my own contacts at Sony Mobile in Europe and Japan. I'm not going to post proof again but I have been in possession of a retail Z for a while now and I'm pretty sure quite a few people can confirm that.

And while the display isn't the absolute best out there it's in no way bad either.
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon90:
screen dissapointing? stop overreacting... the screen looks pretty good to me, i dont care about the viewing angles but even they are pretty decent in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-vcD-cqtw4#t=11m18s

It looks just as good as the screen on my xperia acro s which btw is a gorgeous screen, cant wait to test one in the stores soon
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
Only through the official online Store, I guess people who would order the phone today will get them by the 21st.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Try Photoshop this, including faking all the EXIF data (download it and check the date) :P *snip, don't need everyone here to see my horrible.mirror pic* (I had my brightness too high here too, and a front cam is never amazing).

Or even better, a screenshot of me typing this post on my phone? You got it. https://www.dropbox.com/sc/narqa1ktg6hvrqw/VgDF2zE4mT
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Calm down i know ambroos has had a device for quite sometime

i remember now he had and with all due respect judging by his device history he has mainly had Xperias, now the xperia Z is a step up from the majority of Xperias, but not outside competition, which is why coming from a one x i notice the dull colours and the vibrancy of the super lcd 3 of the one x, thats why i was hoping for something better

Granted as we all agreed, everybody's expectations are different
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Oh nice, i didn't know each letter key on the keyboard had long-press punctuation marks on them. Me gusta.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It's configurable, has been since the Xperia S ICS update.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Ah, i see.

Give me the phone.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That is also true. I have no extensive experience with the competitors. I've seen and tried them all but not for longer periods. I'll see if I can do a direct comparison with a One X tomorrow, one of my friends has one. I'll also ask his opinion.
[Xperia Z General] Vebansen:
Wow! From CES screens to Dev Unit screens, Pre-beta (or whatever you call it), demo units, final versions, Japanese Docomo versions, secret xiFILL Vodaphone editions... :p I can't keep up anymore.

Ah well, it looks like I'll soon be the only one left on here who hasn't cancelled their Xperia Z pre-orders, so I'll be happy to post my 'European Unlocked, Thick Screen, Possibly Washed Out Colours Edition' review when I receive mine... :D

I'm coming from my Nokia 6700. And we've been through alot together. But it's starting to struggle - I've now got 18 pictures in my gallery, and it takes quite a while for them to load up. I plan to have atleast 20 pictures when I get my XZ, so it better hold up. Also, my current version of "google maps" involves me taking a picture with my 6700 of my laptop screen for where I want to go. And I can confirm that the colours are seriously washed out. To the point where I've got lost on my travels and had to ask for directions. So if the Xperia Z can improve on the aboove, then "everything else is cream cheese"!
[Xperia Z General] BenniBenassi:
Oh please cut the c##p, the flagship model Xperia Z will be the best of Sony and you say they put some weak screen on it?

Are you serious???

Best of Sony means Best of Sony, I will believe otherwise if I actually see this proof myself.
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
Best post in this whole topic!
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Thanks, take a look at the one x closely, it is brilliant at reproducing colours, viewing angles and contrast,

ive used samsung, HTC and Sony in the past, Samsung are known for their pure blacks in AMOLED, and HTC ONE X was known for having one of the best screens of 2012 and of the 2012 flagships, S3 lost marginally due to pentile display giving it 2 sub pixels per inch instead of 3 sub pixels like the HTC.

while HTC used RGB RGB RGB i think samsungs was RG BG RG BG,

but the one x display was definitely better in my comparison to the XZ, this is why i am disappointed,
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
agreed, best of sony is only best of sony, not other devices, totally a great improvement over the last xperia devices
[Xperia Z General] kangi26:
Closed per OP's Request
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
I know it's a little off the topic but i dont think you guys will mind :)

On the Galaxy Note 2 - stock launcher is just ultra smooth, really looks like full 60fps. Does Xperia Z go as smooth as Note2/S3 ? The hardware is great, but i was wondering if 1080p affects it at all.

BTW. could you perhaps share some photos you took with Xperia Z ? I'm really excited about Exmor RS...
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
Xperia Z screen :
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Ok, this is NOT washed out...
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
Xperia Z vs HTC Butterfly \ DNA

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Sony says the truth : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPqpKo2hlGU

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what do you think ?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
^it's only like that with the Bravia Engine 2 thing on in the gallery. It's washed out on webpages/homescreen/other apps.

Dev's will hopefully find a way to leave it on permanently and not only in photos/videos.
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
Bravia Engine 2 - has nothing to do with large viewing angle - all it does is in-image-processing to improve the contrast & accurate colour saturation.

However sony improve the screen viewing angle by utilizing Opti-Contrast Panel which is a technology they use in their TVs as well to improve both contrast & viewing angle/
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
Could you provide us with photo like those before - but with UI/Browser on the screen ? We could see how it performs without BE2 active :)
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
Sure, you will notice the colour saturation will reduce as result of having BE2 turn Off , even if stream video from youtube BE2 will cover your back .. ;)

See Comparesion between Having BE2 Turn ON ---- Turn OFF

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However that wont effect you so much out side the gallery\video -- you will still get nice screen .

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[Xperia Z General] omersak:
I wasn't talking about the viewing angles, i was talking about the the pic above of the child vs. the Butterfly.

The viewing angles of the unit i handled were okay - not as bad as i thought.
[Xperia Z General] Brilliant Dev:
^^

I'm sorry, it's my fault I mis- understand you at the beginning ..:angel:
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Sure, i will upload them tommorow when i am back at work and YES the xperia Z surpasses it, it it smooth jumping between apps and swiping is a dream! Its better than on my note 2! and it doesn't have that much bloatware compared to my note 2!
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
From personal experience of both the GS3 and Note 2, they are noticeably juddery and not particularly smooth compared to the Nexus 4, or even the old galaxy nexus. So my guess is that the Xperia Z will be better than the samsung phones quite easily.

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I want to pre-order this phone but I am still not 100% convinced about the screen. Especially so when HTC and Samsung will be releasing their 1080p screen / 13mp camera competitors a few weeks after the Xperia Z is released ( HTC M7, and Galaxy S4)

All the same stuff was said about the Nexus 4's washed out screen, about it just being on demo models, and that Google would never release a phone with a washed out screen, and that there would be proper dev patches anyway, but the Nexus 4 screen is washed out and looks horrific next to the HTC One X. And there are no real patches out other than some gamma adjustment mods that make a tiny difference.

Is there anyone who has a final store-unit who can check the screen and see if it washes out when viewed full on, and at an angle, in comparison to other LCD screens like the HTC ONE X, and Iphone5, Nexus 4?

Also, if the screen IS slightly washed out, can they play with the in-house calibration pre-sets to see if this rectifies the issue?

Whilst I appreciate that Bravia enhancement doesnt neccesarily effect viewing angles, it *will* intensifies colours, minimising the bright washed out feeling you get (such as on the Nexus 4), therefore, can anyone find a link to where there is a Bravia patch for other xperia phones that allows the bravia engine to stay on all the time and not just during media? I have been unable to find one, which suggests we will never see such a patch for the Xperia Z either.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Yes i can, i work for vodafone and have the final retail version, i CAN confirm, next to the iphone 5 and one X the xperia Z does NOT have washed out colours and 1080p movies on it are so detailed, seriously, i will ask my boss if i can take a picture for you, the xperia Z wins hands down! Also there comes a screen collaborator built in with pre defined presets such as, movie, light, dark, vibrant ect.
[Xperia Z General] theofficialpimp:
Re: Xperia Z screen
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
Thanks for the reply. That's good to hear that movies do not look washed out (due to bravia engine being turned on), but does the same apply when looking at the home screens?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Yes, even browsing the web, i can reasure you the device is bright and fluid, it also has a high pixel density so text looks sharp!
[Xperia Z General] soky999:
:)

nice :)
[Xperia Z General] Vebansen:
First post on this forum, or any kind of smartphone forum for that matter, as I've never owned a smartphone (currently have a Nokia 6700). After quietly keeping up to date with all the latest releases (I previously liked the look of the LG Optimus G), I had my heart set on the Xperia Z until the sporadic reports about the quality of the screen came filtering through. So, many thanks xiFIL for providing all this info about the final retail version - Much appreciated... :good:
[Xperia Z General] owlwood:
Shame that only the ZL will be released around here, altough the screen size is the same.But it's impressive nevertheless and I'm sure it'll be my next phone.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Sweeeet. From Sony's dev blog, the ZL has Aussie LTE bands, so I suspect the ZL will be a quiet announcement (all the better for me!)

Lookin' good :D

I prefer the ZL myself as its a smaller phone and I don't need water protection (how often do you wet your phone?). In addition, the ZL has a proper camera button which I do miss from my Nokia days and will be very, very useful on a 5" phone for photography.

The ZL is the limited market one, so in all likelihood,the Z will also launch. Maybe a carrier-specific though... Carriers pay a lot to get exclusivity...
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Sure bro, happy to help :D!
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
What is wrong with Xperia Z screen?

Wow the screen looks amazing on your shots. I have preordered the Xperia Z myself from clove but after watching a few hands on videos on youtube I am a little bit concerned about the screen quality.

1) watch?v=Bb0CEPH0WBw

In the above video, when compared to One X+ the colors look less vibrant and very grey. The viewing angles are horrible as well and in general the HTC One X+ screen looks better imo.

2)watch?v=IJwcv8w4MVE

In the above video, when compared to Lumia 920 it looks like in term of screen quality, there is only one winner. Lumia's screen looks beautiful. The whites are crisp and the screen looks as if it were to pop out of the phone.

3) Last but not least, I looked at phonearena sony Xperia Z comparison

When you look at shots from Xperia Z they look awful again :/

What do you guys think?
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Read post #48 of this thread. It should put your mind to rest.
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
It does help quite a lot :)

although if I spend over 500 pounds on a smart phone, I wanna be 100% sure its the best out there.

Well, I should be getting it in the next two weeks so if anything I will just send it back :P
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
You mean you want to be 100% sure it has the best screen? It's certainly going to be one of the best phones (display included) for the first half of this year at least.

Once the M7 and Samsung Galaxy S4 amongst other high end devices it could be a different matter altogether.

All in all, I would be surprised if you were disappointed with the Z.