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[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Washed out screen

One problem i do have with the device though, is its washed out colours, it just looks seriously washed out, i mean wtf, i hope the screen calaborator can be of good use, because for a 1080p phone with that kind of PPI, its a disappointment, it shall still be getting bought mind you!:angel:
[Xperia Z General] REAVER117:
Re: Xperia Z screen

The screen definitely doesn't have washed out colors. Viewing angles could be better but colors are great, also color calibration is built into the display settings.
[Xperia Z General] tessut:
AW: Xperia Z screen

The washed out issiue is just because the devices shown were made by hand means that the display and the kristallglass were not glued together that's because they look washed out :)

Believe me ;)
[Xperia Z General] busterdev:
how can you guarantee yhat the m7 & sIV are going to have better screens?

13mp cam does look better in low light though.

you really want to compare LG's phones with the Z? ...really

you can wait all you want, there will always be some phone that will be better. you logic is bust
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
It's is a ips panel and most reviews aren't concerned by the viewing angles. The reason why the viewing angles aren't great is due to the screen protector (breaking of light etc). Apart from the fact that I think that Samsung phones are ugly and uses cheap plastic a 8 core cpu is a waste in a telephone. And we even don't know if a 8 core cpu is going to be in the s4.

That being said. To each his own so if you don't like it don't buy it
[Xperia Z General] arcwindz:
It got everything I need, and i'm tired of the waiting game. Good screen (not the best probably), good developer support, good build quality, sd slot, fluid enough, okay battery life, usb host support, and even FM receiver. the only minus is the non-removable battery

There will always be something better around the corner, I'll be waiting forever if I want the best lol
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
from phonearena review:

"In terms of image quality, the display is quite good, although not necessarily as good as the very best. For example, its contrast could be a little higher and the colors could be a bit more saturated. You know, just to make things a bit livelier. Outdoor visibility is OK, you won't have problems there as long as the brightness is set to the max and the sun isn't directly reflected in the screen. The viewing angles, however, could also be a tad better. Overall, it's an awesome display that will make all kinds of activities super-fun, though Sony will have to do a bit more tweaking if it wants to be as good as the big boys of the industry.

Sony has also implemented its Mobile BRAVIA 2 engine, which aims to enhance certain settings in order to make media content appear better on the screen. We've tried older Sony handsets with BRAVIA engine and have to say that images really get that extra edge thanks to the enhancement. Sadly, this only works when viewing images or video with the respective apps, so if you're, for example, viewing pictures inside the web browser or in Facebook, those won't benefit from the BRAVIA 2 enhancements"

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z-Review_id3247
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Exactly i for one don't doubt sony would have used cheaper materials for pre-production units simply for the fact Sony wanted to be the first flagship of the year and try and capture the market at CES before the other flagships are released,

Also sony confirmed they are using Japan Display Inc as they hold shares in it, and ti is cheaper, they manufacture IPS displays,

Sony had to make a non removable battery handset to keep the handset waterproof and get its IP rating

I for one believe we shoud stop speculating on pre-production models and wait til the 1st March, the videos on post one look good enough and satisfies me

then we can complain or not abot the screens, but for now everyone stop crying over viewing angles lol, we're not gangsters looking at the screen sideways, and looking at the youtube videos anyway it has pretty good viewing angles, if you want anything better once it is released then maybe a different handset would suit you
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Just here to give my 2 cents.

Sony's display on mid to high-end models will be using WhiteMagic displays that are made by JDI. XperiaBlog had an article about it a while ago, and I can confirm that it is true. Now the question is whether it is an IPS display. Yes, to a certain point. It's not a full blown IPS like Apple's, but a cheaper version where it can crank out enough contrast and don't have color invert when going on extreme angles. It does suffer some wash out due to the extra white pixel that's illuminating the screen, and also being a lower-end of IPS (if you want to know, read up e-IPS).

Just because someone says it has an IPS screen doesn't mean it can go to extreme viewing angles. It just prevents any loss or color shifts to a certain degree, and all depends on the quality. The question is now is this new screen any good at all then? Yes, it's using significantly less power compared to a true IPS displays. The benefit of using a true IPS compared to battery life is definitely not worth it, especially when you have 1080p screen. That's the whole point in companies now moving towards e-IPS displays. No one's going to be watching a movie on the sides all the time right?

Now, I've received some comments from people trying to disprove my credibility on another site about WhiteMagic is Mobile Bravia Engine 2. Yes, I do know they're separate, WhiteMagic being hardware, MBE2 being software, I'm not stupid. But MBE2 has been optimized to work best on the WhiteMagic screens. That's the reason why Sony used MBE2 first on the V, that's due to the new WhiteMagic screen and that it's optimized specially for this type of screen. They go hand in hand. Why doesn't Sony advertise the term anymore? Because in the end, it becomes irrelevant and people can't darn tell the difference, and there are other terms that they rather market them.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
the z doesn't use a rgbw panel put a rgb panel. So it doesn't have WhiteMagic.

When the panel was first presented JDI sayed it would get a rgbw layout, but in the end it wasn't included in the production version (of the panel).

Edit: forgot to say that the z is using a ips panel and it is the latest greatest of jdi
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
I have 2 S-IPS screens (Dell U2410s). I get contrast and saturation loss at extreme angles. Given the pixel density, the increased number of layers in front of the TFT matrix (screen+glue+glass+digitizer+plastic protector vs screen+hardcoat anti-glare on my U2410) and the physically smaller backlight (meaning less room to fit a high-performance part), its not entirely surprising that the screen here performs somewhat below market expectations when tuned for colour accuracy. I look forward to Anandtech testing this one with their full set of spectrometers and colourmeters and reporting the results. Especially the calibrated results since the XZ has a calibration tool.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
why cant they just make bravia engine 2 always on? Battery concern? They should at least include an option to force it always on for ppl that don't care about battery life.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Obviously they don't make one type of panel within one company. JDI makes wide variety of panels at the moment, and the panel that you mentioned doesn't necessarily been put on certain products. At the end of the day, they still manufacture screens to specs just like other manufacturers. Sony have been pursuing using this panel as a standard since the P.
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
Exactly. From what I have seen, once the Bravia Engine kicks in the screen looks much better.

Don't know what developers have achieved with Sony phone's, but in the Galaxy S3 forums on XDA almost anything can be achieved my devs. I think devs will find a way to permanantly turn on the Bravia Engine?
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
ya, from I can see, the wash out problem from the T that I read almost sounds like they design the screen that way with bravia engine in mind so when it kicks in everything won't look over saturated. Any dev here mod the bravia engine before to make it always on.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Well they have to be able to create it. Apart from that they recently showd the 5" panel to the world if they had a rgbw version I'm sure they would have showed it as well. Also in one of the reviews they looked at the white levels and while they where pretty good it was still grayish, that would not happen with a rgbw panel
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z-review-884p3.php

Yeah, the screen's a bit hit and miss at the moment.

From the above measurements it's downright poor - "More disturbingly, the display has rather poor contrast for a flagship unit and not really inspiring colors. As testified by the measurements in our dedicated test it comes nowhere near the standard of its main competitors and it even fared worse than its predecessor."

Why couldn't they just use the same screen as the Butterfly/Oppo 5
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Yeh i have heard the Xperia Z screen has very bright whites, also im pretty sure i read or saw the SONY video where they brought the screen closer to the glass, eliminating a pocket of air, correct me if i'm wrong
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
At the same time there are reviewers who say that it's on par with the butterfly and the one X, I guess we have to wait till we can see it with our own eyes :)

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That's correct they removed the air layer between glass and the panel.

Being bright and have perfect whites is not necessarily the same thing
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
That's what I'm saying, very hit/miss. This is the first time we've been provided with numbers though, to make it objective.

P.S - I've seen a demo unit with my own eyes and it matched exactly what was said in the GSMArena.Phonearena preview - until BE2 kicked in when in the gallery.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I think that in one of the French reviews they mentioned that the color reproduction and contrast was going down considerably when it was on full brightness, since they measured almost 500 and 500 is the maximum of the panel that could be the problem.

Regarding your ps: hopefully it is fixable with the calibration tool than.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Perhaps but, really, the fact that the Oppo 5 is brighter than the XZ at 100% with better contrast and black levels signifies that it's a superior panel. This shouldn't be the case.

Fingers still crossed. Let's wait and see.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Otherwise there is an easy solution : cancel preorder, buy HTC m7 :)
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
At the same time, gsmarena also completely fail to make a point that pretty much ALL AMOLED screens are over-saturated blobs, and competing LCDs have increased saturation. Simultaneously, they also utterly fail at making ay attempt at getting some idea about colour accuracy and gamut. Besides, a 2000:1 contrast ratio is pretty damn good considering professional screens like the Dell U2410/U2413/U3011/U3014 or the Nec PA series range between 500:1 to 1200:1 contrast ratio while hitting deltaE values of below 0.5 that pretty much NO Android device can match.

While gsmarena's reviews are pretty good overall, the sound analysis (RMAA has its share of quite serious flaws) and display analysis (contrast ratio on its own means nothing) are simply inadequate.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
One of the French reviews said that the z loses to the one X on white and black levels but wins on color accuracy.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
The Xperia Z has a contrast ratio of 700:1, which is well below average - let alone the figures attained by other flagship phones.

The worrying thing is that the findings match pretty much what i've seen.

As far as color is concerned, i've compared a demo XZ with the iphone 5 - who is known to have the widest and most accurate color gamut of all displays - and the XZ was quite a bit poorer (without the BE2 processing).

I hope that the unit provided to GSMArena was faulty or a pre-production one.

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HTC - never again (crappy quality control and equally crappy customer service). Samsung - never again (i hate AMOLEDs).

Will probably either pick up the XZ or wait for a nexus - but if that doesn't have sufficient built in memory..
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

Gsmarena review is just based on our production model. As it says first look. Next to it.

Also they always put a list of pros and cons of handset e.g no memory card slot etc or quadband, lte etc

Take note of that. Most likely they will revisit and review properly after launch
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

You are correct, though it's mainly to help the screen be more responsive to touch.

I'm going to wait until I see a retail version rather than judging a demo handset, though tbh from what I saw of it I was more than happy with it and shall still be getting it.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

Same here. I get my retail device delivered on the 28th so I will put videos up between hox and this on.1st March
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly, HTC are seriously ****! Samsung and their samoled are just fake over saturated colours, with their terrible design faults and faulty firmware, the nexus is a good device but was such a fail lets be real, with 16gb memory, it is simply not enough, the consumer is left with not much choice!
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I didn't know that HTC became that bad, didn't have any problems with the hero or desire and when I had a small problem they where helpful
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

Sensation suffered deathgrip, and poor viewing angles,

One x had wifi problem and yellow spots,

I had to send my sensation due to death grip and they lost my handset at HTC repair center and my one x due to yellow spot.

Took ages.

Also sammy suffers screen burn in and doesn't feel premium for the price.

My s2 did. Also the plastic scuffed very easily.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Perhaps it differs from country to country. The Hero and the Desire was the golden era for HTC anyway.

I had huge connectivity problems with the Sensation and had the well documented blotchy screen and Wifi issue with my One X(s). Sent HTC my sensation and it came back scratched and they refused an exchange.

Really want to try Sony this time around.

Anyway, as this is veering off topic - why would Sony send reviewers pre-production/demo/not 100% units? So that they get criticized in reviews?
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I think the reviews coming in now are based on production units. All the CES previews where pre production I guess maybe they send the units because they didn't want to loose momentum and production units where not ready.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

The only thing I.could think of is cheap marketing and the devices not ready And they rushed to get it ready and out by ces. All these devices would have yup have been ready before ces so that they can be shipped to reviewers. While the real units were probably getting finalized now and getting shipped
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

Dam it seems so far away the 28th lol!
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Mine is slated to arrive the 27th, just 2 more weeks :)
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

No way from where?
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Been told I could get mine 2 or 3 days before the 28th.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
Coolblue.nl
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
25/6/7th are all still too far away, I want it now.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [POST 1 VIDEOS UPDATED13

Wicked
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
VIDEOOOOS

Have just put more videos up i scoured on you tube:good: into post 1, looking good so far!
[Xperia Z General] Gambler_3:
GSMArena preview shows a contrast of 700:1. That is simply put an incredible fail who the hell cares about that resolution if you are sacrificing on something as important as contrast and colors.

"More disturbingly, the display has rather poor contrast for a flagship unit and not really inspiring colors."

Sony has goofed up once again.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
How many times have we said, the demo units are not for sale and not built using the IPS screens, the actual production models look brilliant and way better than the demo models, GSMARENA have contacted Sony for another model, they will revisit the test, most likely they will get a retail device this time.

This is why it is called a "preview" not a view?

Dont worry dude, wait till its released, only 2 weeks to go then go down to your local store and see it for yourself, specs on paper can be different to what you will actually see or prefer
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Well if you don't like it then don't buy it, no one's going to make you.... Starting to get sick of these trolls!
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Personally i think the latest video on post 1, the very first one looks fantastic, HE OR SHE HOLDS THE PHONE at roughly 160 to170 degrees, you can still see the icons without any washing out etc.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly!!

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Exactly, people make a big deal about small stuff like that, its better to just speculate for now guys, the xperia Z when released will be a total beast! Take my word for it!

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Ano right :(

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Guys take a look at this this is the final device, this is what it looks like, nobody can say it has terrible angles, seriously guys its much better than the S3, trust me!
[Xperia Z General] Gambler_3:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Awwwwww wanna cry a little? This is a thread about the xperia z display and I have every right to post any relevant info i want to. Dont like it? Don't read it then.

Trolling? lol i didn't post any opinion just a scientific test from one of the major reviewers.
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
THIS.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
what?
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
The link(video) in the quote:good:
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Yeh after looking at the videos in post one i am happy!
[Xperia Z General] katamari201:
GSMArena has a final unit. The phone is already OUT in Japan. No one is telling you WHAT to buy. You can buy an old Sony w610 phone made 5 years ago if you want. But this thread is about the quality of the display. This is not some demo/pre-production/whatever BS you can make up to justify the crap display. It corroborates with many other reviews already out there. The screen has poor viewing angles, poor color, very poor contrast, and some of the weakest black levels on an LCD. All this was already very conspicuous from the dozens of hands-on videos available online, but now you can't hide behind BS about poor quality videos and subjective analysis. These are hard numbers that don't fluctuate much. The Xperia Z has piss poor black levels, 0.70, the worst on the list, and any blind fool would have seen the gray already from the videos because Sony had the grand forethought to make their UI and wallpapers dark. The contrast issue is more than evident from the text and pictures and washed out colors. I've actually never seen a contrast ratio of 700 before. Most crappy LCDs from years past from cell phones to desktop monitors would at least hit 900 or higher.

Buy whatever you want, but if you are gonna argue that the display is actually better than everything else, you are doing it solely based on your own subjective observations and not based on any credible science or expert consensus or what is already obvious to most other people, who will probably go ugh when they pick up the phone and turn it on for the first time, then move on to the next phone.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47692369&postcount=1602

its black level is amazing, I dont care about its viewing angle since don't share my screen with anybody else.
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon90:
holy **** the viewing angles on the first video looked amazing! I have a xperia acro s and its screen is noticeable better than the iphone 4s/5 in terms of color and sharpness, the only thing the iphone was better at was the viewing angles, but it seems like that has been fixed now on the xperia z, cant wait for this baby, sony take my money already!!!
[Xperia Z General] -]Megacharge[-:
Yeah, I'm wondering if that's Bravia II kicking in, or if it's an auto reduction of brightness, or something else. Either way, it looked great. Maybe this panel is just far too bright, and reducing it by 30% or so puts it on par with other screens.
[Xperia Z General] thebobp:
I'm confused at what this video is supposed to prove. It looks like the XZ's display is distorted to be very white at an angle.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Just look at videos in post 1?
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Is it now... Got any pics of XZ vs iP5 at brightness below 70% (above 70% triggers outdoors mode according to owners and that kills contrast)?

GSMArena were also surprised by the findings: "We've asked Sony to send us another unit so we can double check if this is not some sort of unit-specific issue we are experiencing here. So we'll be able to repeat the test next week and we'll make sure to update you if the results come up different."

I personally don't mind the 700:1 ratio: Both of my U2410s should be managing around 600:1, and the One X/XL with its 1410:1 contrast ratio didn't do noticeably better than either of my U2410s when I had it either, so I; m definitely still getting one if I can't get an Xperia ZL (I want that dedicated camera button!).

EDIT: And I hate those stupid flaps covering the ports!