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[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cs098:
well if you get it from a carrier then you get what you pay for, almost all carrier devices regardless of oem make their bootloader unlockable, like the verizon note 2 or it seem the rogers ion as weel. If you buy unlocked then sony has the easiest to unlock bootloader.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dead0911:
quick question to those of you that have ordered internationally. As an Ontario resident if I order it from CanadaGSM I assume I pay HST, what is the case if I order it from the UK or USA?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cs098:
you have to pay uk/usa tax plus shipping
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xiFIL:
If you buy it from Canada, no tax :D! But you may have to pay money if customs decide to charge you, chances of that happening are like 1 in 1000!
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Netuser:
So I.assume no one paid any custom on it ?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xiFIL:
It depends, no one has received it yet so there is no way of knowing, but most time they don't!
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] force70:
Have them ship it as a gift...no bs customs fees or taxes that way.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
last time I used Negri Electronics and when they shipped my Xperia S I had to pay customs fee on it.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
do they have the HSPA+ version available?

I think it's cheaper and are you sure there's no tax? But still shipping charges right?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darksora145:
So the c6602 is compatible with the US AT&T hspa+ network correct?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xiFIL:
If you buy it from a UK distributor and you live in Canada, then you will NOT get charged VAT, and its definitely cheaper for you as you avoid tax and customs as well if you say its a gift, you will however incur shipping charges of maybe $40! It depends where you buy your device, as of now no one in the UK is selling the C6602 model as we don't need it (the c6603 model matches our cellular frequencies) Therefore i am afraid if you want the C6602 you might need to get it from Canada...

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Correct!
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -]Megacharge[-:
Most companies wont ever mark high cost items that are not made in North America as gifts, as this can cause the company heavy fines in the many thousands of dollars if the package gets inspected. If they do mark it as a gift they are running quite a risk, so people shouldn't be surprised if a company declines to do this when shipping to Canada.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] charliechocolate:
Can those purchasing the phone for use in Canada post

1) model number they are purchasing

2) network they intend to use it on

3) aiming for (reliable) HSPA or (limited) LTE?

I really want the Z - and I'm currently signed up with Rogers. I'm in Vancouver, where there is a LTE network. I would consider leaving Rogers for another network though. Really want the waterproof capability... starting to think it's worth the $800 bucks or so - use my phone more than any other electronic! And will use it for min 2 years... last Sony phone was X10 which I stopped using because of the very low earpiece volume. Been with the Iphone 4 ever since, and now want to go back to a more open android!
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chromiumblue:
You could always send any phone you buy into Liquipel to get it water proofed. Google it, there are videos out there to be had of the stuff in action.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisMCP:
The only model worth getting in in Canada / US is 6606, it will support Rogers/AT&T LTE and 3G. I have a feeling that is what ATT and Rogers will get in March anyway.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
I'm hoping here too
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vivftp:
Does it support all the bands for Rogers LTE, or only some?

I did originally want the Z for its sleek looks and the whole waterproof thing could open up new uses of the phone to me. When I checked the specs of the Z, it didn't look like any of them supported all the LTE bands for Rogers, only 1 at most. I figured that might provide for a less than spectacular LTE experience, so figured why bother and set my mind on the ZL. Its camera shutter, smaller footprint and IR blaster are likely going to be far more useful to me than waterproofness, and it's not a bad looking phone at all either. Plus if that's being officially launched here, I have to imagine it'll have no problems with the various LTE bands... but to be honest I haven't checked yet.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisMCP:
Z 6606 LTE/3G chip is identical to ZL 6506 which is coming to Bell, so... it's fully compatible with Canadian networks. Considering there is no white paper on 6606 and it was only recently added as Xperia Z (with no model number, unlike other variations of the phone) to SEUS (PC companion), I would say Sony does want to get it to NA, otherwise they will be shooting themselves in the leg with a 200mm howitzer, as nobody really wants a ZL except for some vocal minority of users :o
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -]Megacharge[-:
Most people I talk to who know about both models prefer the ZL due to the IR blaster and the smaller form factor. Saying only a minority of users prefer the ZL is not accurate, as there is no way for you to know this for sure. It's just your opinion.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vivftp:
Well a quick look at the ZL 6506 white paper says it supports bands 1, 2, 4, 5 and 17. Both Bell and Rogers seem to support bands 4 and 7 for LTE, so my question is how much will this affect the user experience in a larger city like Toronto? This is what I saw when I looked up the Z originally and thought I might run into problems, but to be honest I don't know if that's true or not.

So, will I be able to get the true LTE experience by using a phone that only supports one of the 2 bands my provider uses?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisMCP:
No it's not my opinion, it's not even a speculation - most people would want a flagship device, not a "secondary model" (that is why smart companies like samsung and apple make mini models instead with lower price and specs). People buy stuff by its looks, it's a fact, and when you consider that - Z will outsell ZL by a laaaarge margin anywhere in the world. IR blaster might be a good thing, but for me - I would want to have Xperia Tablet Z for that ;)

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If I recall correctly Rogers had an LG phone last fall that supported only one band and they were confident to sell it. Anyhow, if you want Z - 6606 is the best you can get. And I'm sure if Sony sells it in the US (there is no other reason to release this new SKU) - then they are confident too ;)
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -]Megacharge[-:
It is your opinion, and it is speculation. Both devices spec wise are flagship devices. One could even make the argument the North American ZL is superior due to it's specs. A lot of people out there don't need water resistant and will get more use out of the IR blaster. A lot of people out there will also prefer the design of the ZL over the Z, of course we can not tell just how many for either phone, but you saying the large majority of people will prefer the Z is purely opinion and speculative. ;)
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisMCP:
There are textbooks written on marketing that would disagree. Completely. But lets just end it at saying that a "lot of people out there will also prefer the design of the ZL over the Z" is equally opinionated and speculative ;)

Either way if you look as Sony mobile canada facebook page and other public sources - there is MUCH more interest in whether the Z will come to Canada. There are literally post after post after post about how people will not buy a sony phone at all, if Z is not released here. Tells me a lot. So it's better be both...
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -]Megacharge[-:
1) None of what you said above proves your opinion and speculation was not opinion and speculation.

2) "saying that a "lot of people out there will also prefer the design of the ZL over the Z" is equally opinionated and speculative"

Lets be realistic, the ZL will sell. We don't know how many exactly but we know it will be a lot, as there are a lot of people on Earth and Sony will produce a lot of ZL's.. "a lot" meaning enough so to be quantified as "a lot". In this case, unlike what you claimed, this is actually fact.

3) You are seeing a lot of talk about the Z because a lot of people want it also, and it's not coming so people are mad and being vocal and this response is to be expected. People who want the ZL aren't worried as they will be getting the phone they want.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrimonk:
Look at this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2116206

The Z and ZL are clearly split almost 50/50 in this early poll. I for one just want the ZL! I'm not going to drop it in water and prefer a design with less glass. :)

You have to really consider both phones as flagship devices because they are being sold in selective regions. A true flagship phone would be available everywhere (which the Z and ZL cover, but ONLY as a team)

The only reason you think the Z is more popular is because there is way more info about it and it is being made available sooner due to manufacturing constraints.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisMCP:
33 people voted on a geek-oriented forums. Sure that's a huge market share. Whole 33 people, more than a half of those want the Z :)

To each his own but clearly there is only one flagship, and just because you or anybody else prefers the secondary model - does not make it a flagship all along.

Maybe because I'm not even trying to prove anything. It would be a waste of time on my part to prove anything to a random stranger on some random forums, who is, besides all other things - lives in his own little universe :D

For two reasons no - 1. It's harder to manufacture, so no it will not produce more. 2. Demand is simply not there, that is why Sony is not in a rush to release it. Sony is stupid, but not THAT stupid to make two flagships that will compete with each other.

The only mad person here is probably you, because let me guess, you're on Bell, right? Good luck with ZL tho. :victory:

PS. And as you can clearly see now, 6606 is here and it's coming just on time :cool:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -]Megacharge[-:
Of course the ZL is not the flagship, I never said it was and Sony says the Z is supposed to be, BUT, clearly, you need to work on your reading comprehension skills as I said one (meaning a person, with an opinion), could make the case for the North American ZL being superior.

(If you're going to write yet another stubbornly defensive post, please read my whole response carefully first, k?) :D

You were trying to prove your point, that your opinion and speculation was not opinion and speculation, otherwise you would never even have posted that last response.

Where did I even mention anything about which is more difficult to produce?? Oh yeah, I didn't mention it at all. I said Sony will make a lot of ZL's. Work on the reading skills and get back to me bud. :D
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] charliechocolate:
Don't know why people need to have these feeble arguments. Bottom line is that some of us are interested in the Z, want it, and are trying to discuss how to get it and use it in Canada. No need for any further discussion or comparison to the ZL.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjamin021019:
hi,i;m planing to buy a xperia z ,and i 'm living in Canada and using fido,

just want to make sure is Z 6602 and Z 6606 both work in Canada?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gitaroo:
think you have to get one that works with rogers, not 100% sure.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjamin021019:
how about 6603?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vivftp:
ZL not coming to Canada until April :(

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/111...ing-to-canadian-wireless-carriers-this-spring

Damn… so far away…
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -]Megacharge[-:
Ouch wtf, I need a new phone sooner than that. On the bright side, maybe they'll update the chipset by then.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] millicent:
6606 is just rumors for now.

The other two have their wp published. 2 should work on most canadian carriers including fido. 3 should work fine in fido's lte network, especially if you live in a big city.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
its Sony.... this phone will be so outdated by the time it comes out. The Galaxy S4 and HTC M7 are already scheduled for release in March. :mad:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gitaroo:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/02/14/s...s-videotron-and-wind-beginning-in-april-2013/
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] noxlord:
No, they will be announced in March. The XZL will be in stores and in peoples hands in April, one month later. How much longer before the S4 and M7 hit canadian stores ? They will have the same specs anyway.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hndr_haryanto:
http://www.mobilexperia.com/xperia-zl-comes-to-all-canadian-carriers-in-april.html

Only Xperia ZL that will be there
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrimonk:
Looks like we have no choice but to either order an Xperia Z or wait..... I can't believe it is going to take so long......

It seems that people keep bashing certain hardware aspects of the phone.....but honestly the biggest flaw is the delayed release date. By the time April rolls around the specs of the S4 are going to be revealed, and other phones such as the LG Optimus G2 / G Pro, HTC M7 and possibly even X Phone will be around the corner. I fear that Sony needed to be the first to release a next generation phone like this (by a few months) to be truly successful.

My $0.02.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithgrobertson:
I agree with you on that, but I'm fairly certain I'll be getting the ZL.

The HTC Droid DNA has near identical specs to the ZL and was released in November. If Sony truly wanted to compete, their device would have launched around the same time.

However, (and this is just my personal opinion) unless the S4/M7/other competition come out with something substantially better (battery enhancements from a better GPU/CPU, noticeable performance increase, sharper 5" display, etc.), I'll be content with my Z/ZL. The build quality on these other devices can be questionable at times (although that is a different matter, and a matter of opinion).

Only time will tell what the competition will release, but noxlord has a good point:

ZL will be out around a month after the S4 is announced, not launched.

That being said, it means we as consumers have an advantage:

Because the ZL is available a month after the S4/other's announcements, we can still see what the competition has to offer before making an informed decision.

If the competition incites you to purchase their device, then that's great - but the release date of the ZL shouldn't be seen as an inconvenience, as it allows us (the consumer) to make a choice based on facts of specifications rather than rumors.

I'd rather have the ZL be out in April and know what the competition will be offering in the next month or two while being able to purchase the phone.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gitaroo:
but announced is still all we get is a spec sheet really, samsung stuffs always sounds good on paper, they know how to market their stuffs, reality is a different story. Been with their stuffs for far too many time. S3 is my last device from Samsung ever.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrimonk:
According to very fresh S4 rumors the device is going to be revealed on March 15th at the Samsung Unpacked event and then launch around mid-end April...... So there may not even be a month between phone availability..... Of course this is just rumors but if it is true than the Xperia will have a lot to contend with.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] force70:
True enough about the DNA except its pretty much useless in canada due it not working on LTE here (which is a shame since its a really nice phone) so hard to compare it to ZL
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjamin021019:
which mean i better buy 6603?

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also, i 'm using sh06D Nerv right now, and the 3g network is work on Fido, is this information can help you guys more sure which Xperia z 3g network work in Canada?

Sh06D Nerv

2g GSM 900/1800/1900 MHz

3g WCDMA 800 MHz(Band VI/XIX)、850 MHz(Band V)、1700 MHz(Band IX)、2100 MHz(Band I)
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
Need a little direction here and yes I read the entire thread.

I'm in Winnipeg with FIDO. I want the 'Z'. I have found a few sources online that I can pre-purchase from in Europe (handtec, amazon). None of them state in the details if they are 6602/3/6 models.

So my questions

1) How do I know which phone I'm looking at here? (they are all described as UK Sim Free)

2) Will I get proper bands from these phones for FIDO, including LTE?

From what I understand so far, If I read correctly, is that there is no option to get an LTE compatible version from overseas.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithgrobertson:
I can't say about the model # differences but you are correct about the LTE.

According to Force70, LTE in Canada is 1700,2100 and 2600 mhz
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
Thanks for the quick reply. So am I stuck with 3G, 4G, or HSPA+?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithgrobertson:
I honestly don't understand the marketing between 4G/HSDPA

You'll have "3G+/4G" speeds, as in HSDPA, as in 42 Mbps

I always thought 4G = LTE

and anyone calling HSDPA = 4G was wrong.

But you will have HSDPA, (up to 42 Mbps)
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
Again thanks. So the big question, will it be significantly faster than what I am used to with my iPhone 4 on 3G, or should I really not be spending that dough on something that will not take advantage of LTE? I have read some users opinions regarding the lack of LTE but I have no basis to make an opinion as I have never experienced anything but E and 3G (on a phone that is).
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] millicent:
The UK version of xz c6603 should in theory support very well fido/Rogers and bell lte networks.

It's the 3G/HSPA that might be a hit or miss depending on coverage.

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Handtec version is indeed 6603. You can see that by comparing it's lte frequencies against sony xz white paper.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithgrobertson:
EDIT::

Bell/Telus/Rogers use 1700,2100 and 2600mhz for LTE according to user Force70

LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600 - C6603

Ideally, you want all 3 bands to match (1700 does not)

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I had the iPhone 5 and did not use LTE (as I prefer battery life over data speeds)

but I did use 3G (obviously).

iPhone 4S speeds:

HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps;

iPhone 5 Speeds:

DC-HSDPA, 42 Mbps; HSDPA, 21 Mbps;

Xperia Z/ZL Speeds:

HSDPA, 42 Mbps;
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
So just for clarification, HSDPA & DC-HSDPA are both considered '3G'? And you're stating that Xperia Z gets the same speeds on HSDPA compared to iPhone 5 on DC-HSDPA? And this is why I was seeking clarification on the LTE as there are several conflicting posts on this thread but according to the bands that 'keith' posted LTE will not work here.

'millicent' I'm not sure what you mean by comparing to "sony xz white paper".
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithgrobertson:
I think technically YES, but from a marketing standpoint, some carriers call this 3G+ or 4G

According to gsmarena specs, yes.

EDIT:

According to force70, LTE in Canada operates on 1700,2100 and 2600, and the Z operates on a bunch, including 2100 and 2600 (but not 1700).
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] force70:
Bell and rogers do not use 700...1700,2100 and 2600 yes but def not 700
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keithgrobertson:
It's the 700MHz band, which telus, bell, rogers are on.

1700, 2100 and 2600 are the classes of the 700mhz frequency, as seen listed with the LG O2:

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_e970-5062.php

EDIT:

I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, so for the sake of clarity:

LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100

Means LTE 700 MHz (Class 17) / 1700 / 2100

I originally thought it meant 700mhz as a base frequency and then 1700/2100 inside the 700, which makes no sense. I'll go back and edit my posts.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
Soooooooooooo, it CAN get LTE on FIDO in Canada? The site I'm looking at ordering from shows this:

Networks:

UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 2100 (Band I) MHz *

GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz

LTE (Bands 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20)*

If I interpret correctly Band 1 equates to 2100mhz and is the ONLY of the available bands on this phone that can access LTE?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Montague:
Has anyone living in Canada got this phone imported yet? Is the C6603 model basically getting reception on 2G/3G/H and LTE?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
Yes I took the plunge. Its slated to be shipped to me in Winnipeg in 2 days and they confirmed its the 6603 model. So I'll report back. I'm with FIDO.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitsuya Cider:
For those in Canada would wait it out. I heard Bell Canada is getting a batch of Xperia Z's to test on the network. You might be in luck. I won't say anymore.

My sources, nor correct or false. Keep it as a grain of salt.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
me too. mine will arrive next week
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Montague:
I am with Rogers just and I also am expecting mine shipped some time next week, wonder if Rogers and Fido have similar broadcast frequency in terms of 3G/LTE
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] force70:
Same company,same frequency as far as i know. Soneone correct me if im wrong.

Im anxious to see if the z works properly in canada..make sure you guys let us know!
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pongnamu:
You are at least in better situation than us. Sony didnt even put a single picture or a sentence of XZ in SONY Mobile Korea website. :mad:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
Japan hates Korea though lol
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pongnamu:
I hope they release xz for korea... :)
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EG8196:
Going to pick up my XZ pre-order in Hong Kong tmr.

I hope Bell will expand their LTE 2600 to Ottawa
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airbus318:
Just an update to my earlier post of bringing it to Canada, just got the email, it's shipped already. Anxious to get this thing! As promised I will update on network performance once I receive it. I'm in Winnipeg with FIDO (yes same network as ROGERS). 6603 model.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Imdking:
Who did you order from? How much for the device, and how much for shipping?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gitaroo:
any version of Z works with windmobile?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Montague:
I also ordered mine too but mine won't be shipping out until next week, can't wait for your report I hope we all have good news from you.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pegasus5874:
Can you tell me where you order and how much it is? I am trying to find one too but never bought a phone online before. Any help are truly appreciated!!:good:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj_jaypee:
My Z has already shipped.

Will receive it tomorrow by Fed Ex. :fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjamin021019:
please let's know if it can support fido lte and 3g.