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[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
You just don't get it... It would a BIG blow to the brand name (Galaxy S) to not have those features.

What would be of the Galaxy S name if they took out all of the things that make it great in the first place?

What makes Galaxy S stand out to the average consumer? That display & removable battery mainly. Take that out what do you have??

It's simple, I can't trust this brand name anymore... why should I if nothing makes them special this year? what about next year? forget them...< what most consumers would think

With over 60 million sales last year you DON'T want to mess-up your brand name like this. Think of the iPhone 6 not releasing with it's "retina" display... How would that turn out? even the sheep would be mad.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
I think what you should also try to understand is Samsung isn't happy going ahead with S600 and LCD display but they have NO choice. Exynos overheats a lot, if they release S4 with Exynos everybody would throw their S4 in the garbage bin on the first day.

Similarly they are not able to manufacture Full HD SAMOLED displays.

Sometimes we have to choose alternates even though we may want to, simply because to survive we HAVE to choose that alternate. That's the situation Samsung is in right now :)

Also they can bear a loss of business at their semiconductor and display unit ( Exynos/SAMOLED) but not smartphones. Smartphone business is the biggest cash cow for Samsung (70% of total profits) so not launching a flagship phone or delaying it is a risk they just can't take. It would bring down ENTIRE Samsung Corporation.
[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
I know that big time trust me lol ;) it's simply business...
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
I'm sorry but are you basing that on your opinion or is that the opinion of all the Samsung lovers?

Really speak for yourself. Many if not most people that buy the phone don't even know what processor is in the phone that they buy.
[Xperia Z General] Bjray:
Wow I didn't even say anything about the processor, I said display (SAMOLED)... which is something that Samsung markets severely, and most consumers recognize that belongs to that brand, same as the retina displays on iPhones :)
[Xperia Z General] MadManMark:
Yeah but this is just jargon to your average consumer, they dont understand what Amoled actually is, they'll be equally happy with a new FullHD label tbh.
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

It's not like octa core will be something revolutionary, it'll outperform Snapdragon S4, as it has been, but not by much n it's not something to worry about, phones will be equally smooth, only Plus point of octa will be battery.
[Xperia Z General] avetny:
It will be first phone with 8 cores, which it's fine.

But the Mali-T658

this is sick man. And it's nothing to talk about.;)

but again Im still running to sony
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
it just has 4 + 4 cores , like tegras 4 + 1 , but only 4 cores will work at 1 time depending on the need.. to save power. they can put 16 cores also int here, but it will utilize just 4.. so its just a marketting gimmick for exynos.

at the end, practically s4 and exynos 5 run like a beast..
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Yes first phone with 8 cores but its unlikely it will use mali t658
[Xperia Z General] s-X-s:
IN what ways lol... are u expecting octacore processor there?? even if rumoured i dont think its gonna be real.... its same shape as S III - makes its 'same' like feeling of S III. Only thing stand out is wireless charging.. 13M camera there , but HDR video is not in rumour i think... water resistant not.... now why u need a 8 core processor even your 3rd core is used when required only...
[Xperia Z General] Nihalf:
Had an SIII - if a phone company can allow their flagship to launch with a bug that people will call Sudden Death Syndrome, then it's pretty evident that said phone company is a joke. I've always been a sony user, and i''m glad to see them return to form. Also, as a former (and thanks to Samsung, also current!!!) Dell Strak 5 user, I think the 5" screen is bloody briliant
[Xperia Z General] scottx .:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

The Z looks amazing.
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
It'll use PowerVr SGX 544MP3 As far as I know buddy :)

&, After a while, when you realize Samsung updates are crappy, like they always are, S2 ICS updates had graphic memory allocation of GB days, you'll think of moving to CM which will be broken too coz of lack of source code.
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
The people that believe that the Exynos 5 Octa is going to be only a little bit better than the S4 pro are delusional. The chip is going to use ARM, the architect of these mobile chip sets, latest big little design. Meaning state of the art A15.

The Exynos 5 dual already beats the S4 pro quite handily and Google needed to include the Exynos 5 in the Nexus 10 in order to push that high res screen. This is a quad core and more power efficient variant. It will pimp slap the S4 pro and is meant to compete with the Tegra 4 and the Qualcomm 600/800. While the S4 pro isn't even a true A15 architecture and is closer to a suped up A9 architecture.

The difference will be night and day. Don't kid yourselves Sony fan boys. I am a huge fan of Sony myself but the Xperia Z won't even be in the same league as the GS4 if it indeed has a Exynos 5 Octa. That said, the GS4 might just run an S4 pro itself since the current Exynos 5 dual is very power hungry and the Xperia Z should be better in that case.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

4+4 yes but nothing like the tegra processor. The 4+1 was supposed to be power efficient but was the worst processor in terms of battery life in 2012. I expect the 4+4 from Samsung to be much more power efficient, it really will perform better while saving more power.

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Exactly. I don't see Samsung coming out with its flagship phone at least a couple month after the xperia Z and not outperforming it. People need to be realistic, the Galaxy S IV is gonna whoop some serious butt.
[Xperia Z General] s-X-s:
You are mad processor guy, aren't you? Look like you only care about processor only? for a 4.99 inch screen what is the use of 8 core processor... its just for making it higher in technical features and in daily use, a wastage! I'm hoping you wont try to run Crysis or Guild War on your coming S4 lol....:p

Here Exynos is beaten by S4 pro

http://youtu.be/5mPO6MgwxlY
[Xperia Z General] aliemrey:
sony Z is perfect, especially glass cover's a nice touch. Also performance, Bravia engine, camera. i think sony knows how to design a phone.
[Xperia Z General] eduardoll:
Already have a SGS3 and I'm going to buy the Xperia Z whet it's released
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

What part of Exynos 5 octa didn't you understand?
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

We all expect SGS4 will beat Xperia Z on benchmarks. But because hardware isnt everything, question is how smooth it will be and if it will be faster than Xperia Z. Example is Galaxy Nexus, which is at least as smooth as SGS3 despite dated hardware. So software is very important too and Samsung isnt very good in that area..
[Xperia Z General] :
I actually just took mine of preorder, gonna wait and see what the S4, HTC and Apple all have coming up. Do like the look of this but I don't stay with phones too long and I know ill end up wanting the S4.
[Xperia Z General] HYPER-X10:
How noticeable would the potential speed difference between the S4 and the XZ actually be?

One thing we know is that the Z will look better 100% of the time.

The S4 might feel faster, what? 1% of the time?

Not good enough....
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Just FYI the galaxy nexus is also a Samsung phone. Samsung isn't good at software????? Samsung is improving every year with features like multi window, smart alert, smart stay ...... Sony doesn't have a better UI than touchwiz.

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I guess you know God on a personal level and he told you what Samsung plans are in 2-3 months from now. You know a 100% that the Z will look better.....why so many fanboys here?
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Guys, calm down a bit, it's all about personal taste, not everyone likes the same UI or phone brands :p just don't keep posting like this, the thread is meant to choose one, not to keep bashing at ones personal flavour ;)

And btw: not to be an a$$hole, but the galaxy nexus UI comes from google :p

It's not with touchwiz etc made by Samsung
[Xperia Z General] HYPER-X10:
Well, my excuse is that I'm a fan of Sony's industrial design.

What's your excuse?

My current phone is One XL btw.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

This time around they might be because the resolution is so high. But if it was still 720p then even the average consumer would notice.
[Xperia Z General] doodads:
I'd be really happy if the S4 had an LCD screen like the DNA. That screen is unmatched. As for S600, I don't mind that much either. Day to day performance the differences are pretty much unnoticeable. A higher clocked S600 would be great.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I agree.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

So all those who Were talking about octa core etc..seems Samsung can't pull it off.. and all the flagships are now in the same plane..
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Noo.in terms of cpus the new lg optimus, htc one and galaxy s4 are in the same plane..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

So you thought that with the Exynos 5 octa Samsung was ahead?
[Xperia Z General] :
Stop being such a fanboy, your worse than apple fan boys you Samsung lot. There's not much difference between all the flagship phones this year, nothing you will notice in real life use.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Actually, the funniest place to be right now is the HTC One forums - where people are absolutely bricking it because the HTC One 'only' scored 34fps in GLbench - that too a pre-release model.

I may find it funny but different strokes for different folks, i guess!
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Ohk..do you know whether this Sony Phablet is coming with stylus? ;)

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

Yep :)
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Lmao. Its funny cos just like the htc one forums , you picked me for a fact. Stop crying.. its a fact..s600 is better than s4.. go cry and complain. .. it wont change a thing.lol

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Doesn't matter the processor, ok s600 clocked higher and faster than s4 pro.. But in daily life u don't need that, my s2 is fast and smooth enough for daily life.

Samsung is a ****ing **** because they don't release the source code so my phone crash too often..

I hate samsung now and won't buy the ****ing product no matter how good it is.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
keep calm and ignore the troll.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

It will be better ...fact , how much we will have to see... , ddr3 ram on LG Optimus G pro and sgs4 would even better for that resolution .Already htc one performs a bit less in glbenchmark due to ddr2 ram a clear indication more bandwidth is required for adreno 320 at that resolution so ddr3 would be a big plus point also .
[Xperia Z General] ZPaul2Fresh8:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Since we are on the subject of RAM. Does the XZ have DDR2 or DDR3?
[Xperia Z General] :
Z is DDR3, confirmed by Sony.
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Yeah .. came to know that. Was really eyeing the htc one.. we will see what s4 brings..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] avetny:
Sony Zsex :P (Snapdragon S4 Pro)

Model Number: APQ8064.

Semiconductor technology: 28 nm

CPU Instruction Set: ARMv7

CPU: Up To 1.7 GHz Quad-core Krait

CPU Cache: L0: 4kB+4kB, L1: 16kB+16kB, L2: 2 MB.

GPU (Display/Video): Adreno 320 (QXGA/1080p)

Memory Technology: Dual-channel 533 MHz (8.5 GB/sec) (Sony conf is DDR3, witch is true ! We can see true Benchmarking)

Wireless Radio Technologies: BT 4.0, 802.11ac/a/b/g/n (2.4/5 GHz), (lacks cell modem)

Snapdragon 600:

Model Number: APQ8064T

CPU: Up To 1.9 GHz Quad-core Krait 300 (So I think APQ8064T much more stable with overclock ")

Memory Technology: 32-bit dual-channel LPDDR3

Other specs are the same with S4Pro
[Xperia Z General] twinkle1992:
Sudden Death Syndrome !

Me and two of my friends had their S3's killed by the sudden death syndrome,

I mean we were extremely disappointed by this.

Earlier I was considering to continue on the Samsung Galaxy S series as I earlier had S2 then I bought S3 and I was waiting for an S4 to come out.

They lost their customer now,

Performance-wise it seems to me that we are reaching a saturation point in smartphones, like this year the pixel density on 1080p screens on smartphones came out with will be the last thing to make any difference to the smartphones, beyond this resolution on smartphones you won't notice any difference at all even if you squeeze your face on the screen (its a different story in case of tablets).

In terms of screen technology there will be competition like TFT vs SAMOLED or vs LCD (put more fancy names here).

As far as I see the smartphone industry has figured out the processors, kind of almost figured out the screen and RAM and storage,

so these things are slowly becoming irrelevant to the average consumer. (unless you are dual-booting Ubuntu and what not)

Now there will be competition among build quality, camera (still loads of work needed in this field), software, user-interface, and most of all battery life (some serious technical revolution needed here).

We can clearly see that most of the companies have already started competing in these fields taking their focus off the processors.

This time I am choosing Sony Xperia Z only due to it's build quality and waterproof features (not so dust proof I am sure :P ).

I know it's viewing angles are bad and battery also sucks, but at-last I find it better looking and artistic than my old dead S3.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Welcome.
[Xperia Z General] marcgear:
This guy has a point couldn't agree more thats why my money is with Sony.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Link to confirmation? As far as I'm aware, the S4Pro does not support LPDDR3 ram.

EDIT:

The white paper does not mention DDR3.

If the phone had DDR3 they would make a big deal of it. It would be the first DDR3 phone.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

It is ddr2 I think , since s4 pro only supports ddr2

ddr3 gives upto 12.8GB/s of bandwidth

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

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[Xperia Z General] omersak:
All you benchmark geeks, S600 apologists and and potential HTC One/S4 owners should drop all interest in those phones - they'll be 'outdated' soon and wait for this:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/24/4023826/nvidia-tegra-4-the-first-benchmarks

Man, look at those sexy benchmark graphs and digits - probably using LPDDRover9000 RAM.

You can have your benchmark victories and sleep easier at night. Your dream is about to be realized.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
T4 isn't likely to come out till the end of the year (if then on smart phones).

S600 has the prize for top CPU until S800 at least.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
For a few months only - and besides - the T4i will probably best the measley 'performance bump' of the S600 by then.
[Xperia Z General] Maedhros:
Has T4i been benched? Last I checked T4i wasnt even A15.

Not only that, but reference designs for Tegra have always benched better then the actual units. So take those benches with a pinch of salt.
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Lol. I remember some guys telling people that s4pro chip is enough amd htc one and galaxy s4 wont matter a thing and you dont need more than that for any phone.. which is bs.. and now you see benchmarks and are all over it.. .. hypocrisy at its best..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Clover Trail is better than the S600:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/lenovo-k900-hands-on-impressions-and-synthetic-benchmarks/

I'm sorry, the S600 may be 'better' than the s4 pro but it's still decidedly last gen-ish.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/25/jk-shin-confirms-march-14th-galaxy-s-iv/

Now announcement date is official for s4

sent fromXperia sT21i

Everything stock
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Btw, don't buy the HTC One, it's 'outdated' ;)

Hell i don't even know why you're on the Xperia Z forum, that's 'only' running an s4pro - that's like sooo 2012.

See how ridiculous it looks? The forum was flooded by such people/trolls/doom mongers.
[Xperia Z General] hndr_haryanto:
Xperia Z now available in 60 countries. Glad to hear it. :)
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

ZTE Grand Memo announced with S800..so no wonder Sony's next phablet will run on S800 !!

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
Quick, someone make a list of all the devices that are now 'outdated'!

On a serious note, ZTE have shot themselves in the foot by not going for a 1080p display
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
And ZTE clocked the S800 is only at 1.5GHz.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
GHz isn't everything. (I'm not aware of the S800 stock speed). In many cases higher GHz can lead to more warmth.

In the end it's all about the architecture that has been changed, that's what should/will make the S800 better then the S400/S600
[Xperia Z General] jameslfc5:
return it?
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
LOL! Sarcasm at its best. I did the mistake of going for hardware by choosing S2 over Galaxy Nexus. I'm a teenager and can not buy phones very often, this time i'll go with what devs suggest. Entropy512 and codeworkx seem pretty happy about Xperia Z. I've personally asked codeworkx and gotten a reply that he will be buying. Hopefully gokhanmoral too, he has become a big Sony fan.
[Xperia Z General] knightrazor:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Any knowledge that they are going to get the Xperia Tablet Z as well? ;D
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
For all those crying about S600, check this out. LG Optimus G pro with S600 scores worse than Xperia Z with old outdated S4 Pro. LOL

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6792/...nce-preview-snapdragon-600-tested-at-mwc-2013
[Xperia Z General] ZPaul2Fresh8:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

For the life of me I cannot find a release date for the XZ here in the USA. It really frustrates me when companies don't do a global launch on a flagship device...
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

That is throttling very badly

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Xperia Z General] kancherlapraneeth:
its just s4pro.. not s800 or not even s600
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

(26febuary)We could definitely see exynos octa in smartphones and tablets :samsung

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rz8aPVxv24

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Yes it is s4 pro indeed they changed the specifications at the end time!

Yeah Chinese company:p

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Xperia Z General] MadManMark:
Blame the USA's silly carriers
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
That's what happens when you need to have everything different than the rest of the world.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
He was talking about the 6.44" phablet that Sony (might) will release in the 2-3Q ;)
[Xperia Z General] UptightJJ:
Damn...

I had no clue the S4 was sporting an Octa-Core processor. That's probably faster than most average pc's/:eek:
[Xperia Z General] kancherlapraneeth:
:) I thought he was talking about ZTE device announced. They mentioned it as s800, qualcomm said it's s600 but finally it is just s4pro
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

*sigh*

I had no clue people were still falling for that marketing gimmick.:eek:
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Don't bother about it LOL. S4 won't have it anyway. :)
[Xperia Z General] Dannyada1988:
It seems that S4 owns the best technical configuration.
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
I can't see what you're talking about. Where is XZ on Anand's graphics?
[Xperia Z General] StellMonkey:
With 6.44" i call it a mini tablet :p:p:p
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

No bro..actually if you measure Galaxy Note 2 diagonally (complete phone) it measures around 6.2"

If Sony can come up with edge to edge display with on screen buttons - its gonna be big hit !!

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Tegra 4 might be "cheating" in those glbenchmarks , they are using a different texture compression

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Xperia Z General] #illidan:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar14) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I know I'm going to buy one for sure if it does.:D

Sent from a GT - I9100 via Tapatalk

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Primary ROM: CM 10.1

Secondary ROM: -

KERNEL : Dorimanx 7.47 (modified settings)

MODEM : LQ6

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : SanDisk Class 4 8 GB
[Xperia Z General] fatmike922:
So Xperia Z or wait for S4? Insight please.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
I think you can better wait for the Galaxy S V (< 5)

Just choose the phone you want don't rely on other people's opinions.

People in here might suggest the XZ, people @ other Samsung sections might suggest S4, it won't make you wiser.

Choose what ever you want!