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[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
I think it's too early for a donation device to attract developers as of the moment. Xperia Z is still not out so there's a little community support for it as of the moment + considering it's price it would be hard collecting $800 donation for a developer.

It would be alot better if you collect donations for helping the other developers here instead which are already planning on buying the Xperia Z but are not sure yet because of the affordability that way you all could save less + more developers.

like *cough* *cough* DooMLoRD and krabappel2548 which has greater experience on xperia development than others which came from other line of devices.
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
If I may say something about donation drives, I'd like to say something. I'm not against it, but actually I don't really like the concept on the other hand. To be honest it's never quite fair to make a donation drive for only one or 2 developers.

Then some others would feel like they are less important for the community. The developers that really want the device will come eventually most of the time :)

Thanks
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Well that's somehow my point. If ever they decide to make a donation drive for a developer who didn't even have any interest on the device nor any experience to the line itself why not support it instead to the "possible" devs. On all my contributions here on xda I don't even ask or accept donations. The button on the left side of this post was made solely for xda marketplace :p So yeah we're pretty much the same on it. But at the same time I'm suggesting a much better alternative instead.
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
I agree, donations to your favourite dev are obviously encouraged, but a donation drive expecting a dev to fix a problem when they now have the phone is bad. It's impossible to garantee that the dev will be able to do what the community expects. What happens if the chosen dev has real life emergencies and has to leave dev for a bit etc, just gets messy.

Anyway, I think the phone is good enough (both specs and dev love from sony) that it'll attract alot of dev attention anyway.

M.
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
Not definite... As I stated earlier in this thread, it depends on the whole North American availability situation. I hate greymarket imports.

I really dislike donation drives. In the long run, it makes things worse off for users. Donation drive recipients are often people who hop devices frequently, and users rarely get their money's worth.

Donation drives make sense when:

A device has been on the market for a few weeks and there has been a clearly identified roadblock that needs expert assistance. For example, a locked bootloader.

A device has been on the market for a few months and no one has yet "stepped up".

It's far better to give someone who actually chose to purchase the device with their own money some time to get up to speed than to get a "quick fix" from someone who will probably drop the device after only a month or two, or will shovel something out and then rapidly drop support.
[Xperia Z General] xiaoxi.meng:
just show my respect to the names

just show my respect to the names
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
Totally agree with your arguments :)

I'm a developer since ics bèta rom for Xperia 2011 line (feb 2012) and I've supported the 2011 devices even after I bought my XS (april 2012) but in september I had to cut off the 2011 devices due to school and time.

Now I'm planning to keep supporting Xperia S, SL and Acro S after I receive my new Xperia Z :) but in XS forums there were devs that left very quick..
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
@krabappel2548

so you're sure now about buying the Xperia Z? :D judging by your reply seems like you're already anticipating it.
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
I think you can count fxp and binary in

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=37127781
[Xperia Z General] thunderising:
I'm not a big shot or anything. Just started cooking ROMs. Learning step by step. From basic removing and adding apps to replacing home launchers to replacing fonts to combining different mods and then some build prop tweaks. Nothing amazing, but I try my best with the limited knowledge that I gained in a short time. Will port PA to Xperia SOLA (v1.5 for ICS). Currently on SOLA. Saving up to buy Xperia Z.

Will put in all effort to become a good developer. Wonder where I should start learning about kernel development.
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
Dude I'm trying to learn stuff too so of you find any good tutorials could you just pm me the links it would be awesome :)
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
Yes :) 99% sure ;)
[Xperia Z General] neizel:
We will miss your great job on Xperia S :(
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
I'll stay there too for some time ;) at least september ;)
[Xperia Z General] encho:
Agree as well. When I was on HTC One S, we had quite a few devs with donated handsets who were present for really short time. They did fix important issues, but I really prefer dedication to quick fix. Like klin, who even after leaving for s3 kept building kernels and roms for our device (respect).
[Xperia Z General] neizel:
That's nice to know :)
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
So excited to see your wonderful work my friend

Looking forward for the device release and some wonderful action in the development thread..woohooo!!
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
I seen at least 3 my favorable developers from Expected/ wished list. :D That was cool and can't wait this phone release!
[Xperia Z General] Tha TechnoCrat:
I know gokhan moral he is a good friend of mine. I'll ask him. If yes then siyah kernel is coming to z big time :thumbup::thumbup:

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[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
fantastic! gokhan is already developing for xperia T, so I am sure he would come. Please do ask him mate :D woooohooo!
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
List updated.. :thumbup:
[Xperia Z General] epulrevo:
Woww. Great supporters for the great phone. Nice!!

Sent from my X10S
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
Was just going through entropy512's g+ post.. he has ordered the n4 and he would be using it as a base reference device for xperia Z (he is most likely getting it) since the n4 and z are the same qcomm APQ8064 devices.. the z is going to get great aosp/cm/aokp etc. support! wow! exciting!
[Xperia Z General] Tha TechnoCrat:
Gokhan moral has agreed that he will buy the Z the moment it would be available in turkey

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[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
Again, the big limitation is Z availability in this country... As I've always been stating.

If I CAN buy it without doing the greymarket import thing AND with unlockable bootloader (all AT&T devices are fully locked down, for example), I WILL buy it. :)
[Xperia Z General] Egan:
@Entropy512: CAN AND WILL. Excellent!

Can't you buy carrier free phones in the US?
[Xperia Z General] thunderising:
@Entropy512

YES WE CAN!
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
Edit - reworded.

In the US the main 3 networks run on totally different technology (AWS/3G/CDMA) so generally need a special version of each phone made for each network. Problem is that these carrier special models are all locked down and are typically the only versions sold into the US because the normal 3G models often don't work or only work on a single carrier.

Rest of the world it's much easier as basically everywhere else runs normal 3G. Phones are portable across networks/regions so don't need special carrier locked versions.

M.
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
I just ordered mine from handtec, I ordered the white one, unlocked and sim-free, the c6603 model, the same as they sell here so sould work:)

- Price: with shipping it was €600 :)

Here in Belgium €649 or €640 so I'm quite happy :D

Let's hope I have it the 29th or 30th of February :p I don't know if there are already other devs that confirmed there purchase here?
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
Unfortunately, many manufacturers don't sell unlocked phones in the US. The only way to obtain them is via "grey market" imports.

For example, you can't purchase the international versions of the Samsung Galaxy S II (GT-I9100), GS3 (GT-I9300), Note (GT-N7000), or Note2 (GT-N7100) even though these devices all support HSPA+ on all of AT&T's HSPA+ bands.

Same for the Xperia T - the international version is fully functional on AT&T HSPA+, but you cannot purchase it in this country except via "grey market" importers. You can only purchase the locked-down TL version from AT&T. Supposedly unlocked TLs are going to be available soon - but in general, the only unlocked phones you can purchase directly from Sony in this country are either lowend or obsolete. Flagships always wind up only available from AT&T with a full-on dose of mangling and lockdown by the Deathstar Network.
[Xperia Z General] antiochasylum:
+1, I'm the same. If this can happen count me in.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Ok then what's the problem with importing it outside or greymarkets? I myself love doing those since it costs me less.
[Xperia Z General] mattman83:
No localised warranty.

M.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Now this is odd. I got my Xperia before from ebay the box comes with a warranty card that I just filled up. Then the digitizer broke and I gave it to our local sony store and they honored the warranty and fixed it.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Entropy, don't worry buddy. Z will be sold by Sony USA unlocked via Sony Style stores starting March :)
[Xperia Z General] nielneal:
wow grt....u r from esato the op ''SONY Xperia Rumors 2013 Edition'' randomuser..???nyc to see you here in xda;)
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Yes. Thanks ;)
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
In India it is priced at 36k INR. I.e. 700$
[Xperia Z General] taha198:
Source?
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
Go to sony centre and you can pre-book by paying a token amount of 2k. One of my friend pre-ordered it and they said that the price is 36k. Also he will get the phone 10 days before the launch..
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
AndreiLux would be a gem to have. Best kernel developer I've come across.

Perseus
[Xperia Z General] thunderising:
^^ Well contact them!!

It's true. You can pre-book the Xperia Z. And the phone will be available via Sony Centers for 36k. Expect STREET PRICE = 34k

Xperia ZL will be available for 34-35k. Street Price of 32k.
[Xperia Z General] Tha TechnoCrat:
Indian people get a bad luck always when it comes to the price.

Too costly.

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---------- Post added at 11:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:49 AM ----------

Don't forget gokhan moral

Siyah kernel. :thumbup:

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[Xperia Z General] turilo:
Im seeing some familiar devs possibly getting the Xperia Z! Does this mean ill have to sell my note 2 now lol Knowing me ill most likely get the Xz anyway cause thats just how i am :p if it hits here in canada that is! For me it has to be the z not sure id settle for the non water resistant Zl :/
[Xperia Z General] bazzanaja:
It's great to see alot of developers who have the possibility of working with the Z.

I would like to ask though, since there were many developers on the Sony Xperia T forums, how was working with SOny phones like? Did CM operate flawlessly on the T?
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
Due to the T being released very late in the CM10 development cycle, CM10.0.0 stable on the T wasn't actually quite stable.

CM10 is now nearly perfect on the T, there's a little bit of work to be done, but unlike on my previous devices, instead of having a mountain of broken **** and no hope of ever fixing it all, the remaining issues in CM10 are fairly minor and nothing I feel can't be solved.

Seriously, one of my biggest remaining gripes with CM10 on the T is "scaling of anamorphic videos on HDMI is flawed". That's how nitpicky I'm getting (and am able to get...)

CM10.1 is taking a bit longer because a decision was made to do some pretty aggressive stuff that many CM maintainers would never think of doing on most other devices. However, after a while, it's starting to look like that approach was wrong and the CM10.1 guys are working on switching paths. Doing a major change of approach takes time, and yes, the device is currently behind due to the time spent on the original approach (which was to rebase T support onto the Mako kernel and use AOSP sources instead of CAF for as much as possible, but it's starting to look like CAF would've been a better choice) - but a lot has been learned and it's just a matter of time before 10.1 is as solid as 10 is.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
any time spent developing is time WELL spent :)

one gets to learn a LOT of things especially when these kinda things dont work out...

thanks for your time spent in developing for our awesome devices!

cheers!
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
Just read the 9 pages (a pleasure), I wasn't sure to buy it (got the XT 3 month ago) but now looking at the names expected to develop stuff for the Z, I feel like if I won't buy it I'll miss something big ! I rarely saw a device that make such unanimity !

I'm changing my mind but I'll wait a month or two to be sure that there are no manufacturing defects like yellow screen on S or waterproofing on the XS Tablet...
[Xperia Z General] knightrazor:
I read somewhere before that utacka is gonna get the yuga (now the XZ). He's from PA.
[Xperia Z General] Osyx:
Awesome :eek::thumbup:
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
I'm probably painting a bullseye on my back by saying this but, I've wandered around the Xperia forums for a little bit and what I've seen is a bit....disheartening.I'm not sure how to say this, but the Note development section has more custom roms than that of the Xperia s and both are a year old now.

Only the nexus pasture seems greener than that of Samsung right now.My question is, will this device have enough support ? AOKP,AOSPA,PACman will be there?

Due to the sheer number users/developers of Samsung devices, roms get built quickly for Samsung devices.Case in point,AOSPA for the Note has already been updated to 3.0 while the Xperia T has still to be updated(no shot at imilka here).The galaxy S still has amazing developer support, even though its old.Will this phone see the same kind of developer support?

If anyone was offended by my question(s),I apologize.I had(and still have) no intention of offending anyone.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
this is true... Xperia devices in general do not have a huge user community... the last device which i saw a large community was Xperia X10... most of the Xperia devices are bought by people who dont know much about modding or generally avoid modding...

but a LARGE user community does not mean that developer support is there... already the FreeXperia Team (CyanogenMod device maintainers for Xperia phones) have started work... other developers, including myself, are interested in this device... though the high price of the device is causing the confusion, especially for me since i already have Xperia S & Xperia T...

honestly if u want HUGE user community, lots of developer support u should probably be looking towards any of the Nexus devices... i do not want to dishearten anyone but dont want to give any false hope...
[Xperia Z General] Tha TechnoCrat:
But still xperia devices are irresistible. Do you think Doom Lord?
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
thats a matter of personal taste...

but yes i do like the Xperia devices... thats precisely why i have so many of them :P
[Xperia Z General] :
I wouldn't call myself a dev, but I will make a stock-based ROM...
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
I like it that it isn't as big as the htc phones. We dont need 100 stock roms with just one app more or less. A few stock roms is nice, but if you look at popular htc devices they have like 50 stockroms, all the same..
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
Crap. Now i'll have to buy it.

I don't mind having a few devs and ROM's, but i do care about quality and persistency. As long as Cyanogenmod is in the picture and it's an easy device to work with, then i'm in. I have a Galaxy Note (N7000) now, and it's actually painful to watch Entropy deal with ****ty dev support and resources over at Samsung, and i would like to see him on the other side of the fence actually enjoying himself (eating ice cream and running around) instead of the constant "**** **** **** ****, Exynos ****ty **** sources **** **** Samsung". I hope he gets his hands on an unlocked device in the near future.

I want to live in a world where nothing is broken, god damnit!
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
great to see you here mate! :D

time to move from our beloved note.. haha! the downs and ups and downs and up it had..
[Xperia Z General] horsetastic:
Would love to see some of the old desire hd boys come over...I know most moved on to various devices but would be great to see them here....LordClockan, Alienmind etc....
[Xperia Z General] championswimmer:
add codeworkx and entropy512 into the "sure" list ;)

they have it :p
[Xperia Z General] niaboc79:
Count me in ;)
[Xperia Z General] hiemanshu:
Count me in too!
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Update devs Who released their works in Android Development or Original Android Development into Sure List :)

"Swyped" From My X10Mini Running SevenBean Stable3
[Xperia Z General] PeZoII:
dude where is fera's name comeon...
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
Kk updated
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
Jumped ship? Didn't you get the nexus 4?

;)
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
Yea i have nexus 4 only.. Just put a xperia theme along with it apps.. So had to update my buildprop with xperia z's name to make those apps work.. Well its tough for me to stay without xperia flavour.. Lol:D
[Xperia Z General] ~iPod~nano~:
nobodyAtall a.k.a nAa maybe?

Recognized developer from Xperia X8, making JB kernel for X8
[Xperia Z General] charlodroid:
Coming from the Galaxy SII, the thought of having CodeworkX and Entropy on the case fills me with joy. Bit early to rely on them joining us until they confirm they have the device, but lets all keep our fingers crossed. It is mainly because of watching them struggle with the SII that I have switched to Sony this time, I know they expect a lot of support from a Sony/ Qualcomm combination.

Be nice to see Espenjo too. He has done good stuff for the SII.

With the devs we all see already in the Development sections the XZ is sure looking like it's going to be epic. Rooted and recovery even before release. I feel warm all over

:D :D :D
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
I do have one... I've been keeping quiet about it since it's a C6603 (wrong bands for my country, but seems to be mostly usable at least in my area) from an undisclosed source. :)

Still on just rooted stock... I'll probably switch to CM this weekend, more out of "I should be doing more work on this device than using it to kick ass at Ingress" than out of any dislike for the stock firmware... Stock on this device is NICE.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
stock on most xperia devices is nice ;)

very stable and functional
[Xperia Z General] alex3305:
Oh god Andrew. You can't believe it, but you just made my day. Out of all the devs I have followed over the years (from Symbian to Windows Phone to Android), I think you are one of the few real developers. A lot of the devs are just repackers in my opinion and you seem to know a lot about Android and embedded systems which is great.

Thanks again for supporting the Note and I hope great things will come from you :).
[Xperia Z General] charlodroid:
Well if your here the device is already epic.

Hope you get pleasure writing code for it, the frustration you have with Samsung was horrible to witness.
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
I've had an Xperia T since late December - it's a great device to work with, although in some aspects it (just like a Nexus) has an aspect of difficulty to it - the original firmware is of such high quality that you've got to be REALLY careful not to accidentally cause a regression.

Yes CM10.1 on the T has had some issues lately, but mostly that's due to failed experiments... Rebasing the kernel onto the Mako kernel proved to not be workable in the long run and switching back is taking longer than hoped. None of that is Sony's fault though, so even though things seem like a behind-schedule mess, the critical difference is: The more I worked with Samsungs the less hope I felt that I'd ever be able to reach completion. With the Sony, it's different - yeah there are some challenging roadblocks, but never such a mountain of broken **** you lose hope. See CM10 on the T - I think that's incredibly well polished at this point.
[Xperia Z General] championswimmer:
was a little dissappointed not seeing my name on wishlist :o

if no one else does it already, I'll be bringing AOKP to you guys btw :p
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
so u getting this device? Z or ZL?
[Xperia Z General] r1c4rd0:
ohh good i love AOKP :fingers-crossed::D i hope see AOKP int xperia z some day...
[Xperia Z General] Christopher583:
Entropy512 has been considering it.
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Great :) I love Kang Xperia Project!
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
I never thought that u ll be buying this, cos u already have a lot of devices to take care of, latest being xperia V! But if u r getting 1, its a great thing! I would like every X10 dev to buy this, cos they r like my second family!
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
N 1 more thing is that i dont understand how does doomlord gets time for dev? He is in IIM A! Bloody those people have to slogg day and night! N champ, even u r now into engg, so it must be tough fr u too!! But still u guys manage it! Hats off to u guys
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
Well here at IIMA the last term of first year is going on... Actually right now the last lecture of first year is about to finish!

Just one more week of exams...

P.S.: sorry for spam
[Xperia Z General] varshil:
Lol, this is not a proper dev thread!! N all the best for your upcoming exams
[Xperia Z General] Entropy512:
You really should read a thread before posting dude...
[Xperia Z General] surdu_petru:
Hello !

As soon as I manage to unlock bootloader, I'll try some custom kernel / rom for this device !

( to allow unlocking the bootloader, I already talked to the operator that has blocked - and I am waiting for response ....need to wait about ~ 14 days !!! )
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
There are now methods whereas you can root your device without touching the bootloader. Look here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2186368

I have gone through this yesterday. I am on locked but unlockable bootloader but didn't want to loose my warranty so I rooted it without unlocking the bootloader. Everything works great so far.
[Xperia Z General] Thaevil0ne:
My fav dev is already on this device, DooMLoRD. :)

<3 Stock rom + DooMLoRD kernel.

I wonder why no one did sticky his thread yet, hint hint.

Kind regards, Stefan.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
Will there be any way to retain bravia engine with unlocked bootloader..?
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
But you can't use another kernel, like DooMLoRD kernel unfortunately :(
[Xperia Z General] alex3305:
No you can't. But you can use things like the calibration app or having black nav/statusbar. Which is great btw!
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I know! But it's not as great as having costum kernels and having the hability to undervolt your cpu so you can have a longer battery...

I already have the calibration app. How can i get the black bars?
[Xperia Z General] nickporwal:
Our phone needs some more love from the developers. I have taken this phone purely because of the open source friendly sony image
[Xperia Z General] netarchy:
I gotta say, I'm very impressed with the Z, it's gonna be fun digging into the kernel sources.
[Xperia Z General] nickporwal:
Welcome to the xperia z forum. If i remembered correctly i have used your kernels in s3......great to have you.
[Xperia Z General] jeroenqui:
Great to see another one interested! Good luck and have fun!

I'm eagerly waiting for paranoid android and / or PAC. But take all the time you all need. It's free, so no expectations.

In the mean time I'll try and build those (unofficial) for our device. But I never did this before, so it's going to be a learning process.