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[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

How many Times do have to say 3 and phones4u have demo units. Pre production devices. When asked they will not get the retail handsets till the end of the month. Video on post 1 I'd nowhere near.like xt

Every single xz demo unit is the same screen as the xt.

You Not see the proper screen till launch. Wait till the 28th then compare it urself
[Xperia Z General] sshariff:
I think I may disagree with you here. Phones4u will confirm that the units are same as the production ones as they just received them in store yesterday. They will have the very same units on display even after the 28th and I doubt Sony would want people to base their decisions on units that do not represent the true product. The unit in the video will also be a similar demo unit to that of Phones4u as I doubt Sony would have made a better one for Poland and inferior ones for the UK. And the display on the Z was definitely different to my XT btw.

Lets wait and see until the 28th as you state when we get proper comparisons. But if anyone goes to any store now and compares their existing 2012 Sony devices to the Z I am sure they won't be amazed.
[Xperia Z General] redandwhitearmy:
Another viewing angle comparison with 3 other phones :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mmeai9XjXRQ

IMO performs quite good but lags behind when tilted above 150 degree in portrait mode....
[Xperia Z General] rycexboi:
I'm like the total opposite from you, compared my Xperia T with the Z/ZL at CES and was totally sold. Not saying the Xperia T was bad at all, its just that Z/ZL is more better in my view in every way. It's strange that how the screen did not look great compared to your T. When I was comparing at full brightness at CES, the Z looked slightly more vibrant, as for the angles, I did not care for that. I've already sold my T and waiting for the Z.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

Same here. Looked better
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
it's time to face the music, the XZ doesn't have the best screen on the market. Is it a bad screen? absolutely not it is just not the high(est) end screen that everybody expects in a high end phone.

According to Ambroos it uses a E-IPS screen, according to the article provided by him this is mid range screen tech.

There would be no need to commission hundredths if not thousands of hand build crappy demo units to put on display in stores across Europe since the Z is already in production and already on sale in japan, so while all CES previews and previews done shortly after CES where done with the hand build units I'm pretty sure most later reviews and store demo units are production units.

That being said every review gives it 4.5 to 5 starts, says it's a really good phone, most say it's the best you can buy.

So is the Z the end all be all of phones the most perfect ever, nope. But is is the best build, best looking fastest android around? it sure is :).

Samsung will probably release an all plastic, badly made, pentile display rocking phone, which has ever new tech in it know to man and excellent deep blacks contrast ratio etc.

HTC Will release a phone with a fantastic screen, but a a not so good looking, or even ugly phone, and will have some other drawbacks we will know this soon :)

In the end of the day phone manufactures have to make money, so some where a corner or two has to be cut, Sony has done this by using midrange instead of highend display
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
argh..again conflicting reports..this screen is a mystery. :/
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
it is a good screen, simply not the very best, some people are more picky then others that's why there are conflicting reports in terms of viewing angles.

Some people like there screen as bright as possible, the XT is according to some reports brighter than the XZ so if you favor a bright screen you will like the XT slightly better

It is set up to be more natural/toned down in terms of colors, some people like over saturated color some people don't.

in the video posted by nikhiltanwar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mmeai9XjXRQ

you can see that the viewing angles are not the best

you can also see that the colors are quit natural, if you look at the Note 2 for instance you can see that you will miss lots of details in favor of more saturated colors.

you can also see that the H0X as a better blacks

in the end I would be happy with any of the IPS screens shown there, I just don't care for over saturated colors.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0zvSJj_Bsw

New video review in french, screen looks perfect throughout all parts of the interface
[Xperia Z General] thejosetree:
It's hard to understand why SONY doesn't put their best screens into their flagship phone.
[Xperia Z General] sshariff:
I would any day pick an LCD screen over an amoled, so would definitely prefer the Z over say a Galaxy S3. However if you compare the Z to the likes of any other 2012 flagship LCD phone (HTC/LG etc) then it is definitely not up there. And I am saying this even if you view the phone head on. PPI isn't everything especially when it is hard for the human eye to distinguish between 720p and 1080p. Both HTC One X and Nexus 4 screens are visibly better than the Z and you have to just enter any phone store to see the same yourself. I will put it on par with the XT display whereas even the Xperia TX is better than the Z (You have to visit the Xperia T/TX forum to check it out).

Everything else about the phone is good though like the design and build quality. Could not test the camera in the store though so we should wait until proper user reviews are out to judge that.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

Screen looks beatuoful to me in the French review video. The blacks look..black and blend well with the edges so not sure what the worries are about. Glad I left my pre order, and with those recent reassuring videos I'm sticking happily. Bring on release date!
[Xperia Z General] Audioboxer:
I've had a terrible experience of the screens on the Nexus 4, bad backlight bleeding, dead pixels and vertical banding. LG are not good at fitting screens.
[Xperia Z General] thejosetree:
The description of e-ips is absolutely concording with the SONY's displays. The most concerning thing is this:

Although it's unknown what the "e" stands for here, it's likely that it means "economic" or similar, since these new panels are all about trying to keep production and retail costs low. With lower retail costs there is of course an added risk of inter panel variance, which may lead to some quality control issues in some models.

This is EXACTLY what happened with Xperia TX, different batches with some screens better than others.
[Xperia Z General] hebbe:
but i guess the screen will definetly be better than my current hd2-screen :)
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well, the only thing I can say is that the display is actually just fine. If you find bad videos they've probably turned up the brightness too far. Contrast probably isn't the highest you can get nowadays but it's still very good and flagship-worthy.
[Xperia Z General] sshariff:
Cannot comment on your experience, however LG has been the "Retina" screen supplier for the CrapPhone 4 and 4s which are known to be among the top LCD displays. Also most Nexus 4's don't suffer from this issue so maybe it was a select batch. This is similar to the first batch Xperia S users facing the yellow spots issue where it was subsequently rectified in later batches. We can expect the odd issue for a select few units under any manufacturing process for any company.

I was hoping Sony nailed it on this handset but unfortunately this is not the case to justify me selling my XT and paying Sony my hard earned cash for this handset. I suspect the camera is also only at par (or marginally better) with the XT and will prefer waiting until actual user reviews before making a decision on this.

Again I think the Z will be one of the best handsets out there but will definitely not stand out to the other flagships. I am just being realistic being a Sony user for so many years.
[Xperia Z General] Audioboxer:
I've had handsets from all the current batches. Rev 10 and Rev 11 as well. The most recent handset I only received a few days ago has light bleeding and the vertical banding. I've RMA'd 4 devices to Google for various issues, the screen having issues in every single RMA however.

LG are probably putting better quality displays in the iPhones, and while I know there will be perfect Nexus 4's out there, my experience hasn't been like that. Quite a lot of talk about the bleeding on the xda Nexus 4 forums as well. In fact I should actually say while LG will have supplied the screens for the iPhone, it will have been Apple fitting them. The biggest problem is that LG cannot fit a screen to save themselves, and if you cannot do that it doesn't matter how good your display is (this is how you get bad backlight bleeding, screen lifting, glue issues, ect).

Samsung and HTC will have better internals, possibly even cameras, but I do not like their attitudes towards the dev communities.
[Xperia Z General] Warren.D:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

I went through 4 LG 4X HD's because of dead pixels and all three had dust under the glass!!
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
I went in store today to see one set up to decide if I will be getting this phone. It made my mind up straight away. I shall not be getting the xperia z.

The screen isn't terrible, it's just not up to the high standards of last year's flagship phones.

The xperia z was set up next to a nexus 4, and a budget or low end small xperia model. Walking up to the phones it was immediately obvious the Z had the poorest screen, which by comparison was washed out, low contrast, and low brightest. It just didn't look as nice or as good as the nexus 4, or even the budget xperia next to it despite it being 1080p 440ppi.

I then looked at the phones at a slight angle, like when I would be texting or using the phone whilst walking, and only the Z faded slightly loosing saturation, basically similar to what you would see on old phones like my years old htc desire hd.

Don't get Me wrong the screen isn't terrible is just not particularly good especially compared to last year's phones or indeed this year's forthcoming phones. This would all be forgiving if 1080p 440ppi looked a step up however you wouldn't notice any advantage, all you notice is that it just doesn't look as good next to the nexus, the poorer quality screen actually leads you to believe that the 720p nexus is sharper simply because of the better saturation contrast and feeling that the text sits on top of the display making it appear crisper.

For me, the screen is the most important thing as it's what I interact with most. However some people could over look the screen, due to what the rest of the phone offers. So, ignoring the screen, the first thing I noticed is that the phone doesn't look as premium as I thought I would. No wow factor. The nexus next to it looked more beautiful and expensive looking. For me, upgrading from a nexus, in terms of build and premium feel it would be a downgrade or on par and certainly not an upgrade. The adverts and you tube clips make the Z look beautiful. In real life it just seemed meh to me. And so finally I looked at the software. It's nicer than touch wizz. But I think I take stock android 4 for granted. In contrast the Z was laggy, slow, jittery, and you really don't appreciate just how smooth and fluid stock android is till you use other phones. If I had got this phone I'd have had to put a custom plain rom on but, like modaco, they are never as smooth. It's also made me realise the nexus 4 is actually a really great phone (despite the slightly washed out screen and poorer camera compared to my old htc one x)

I guess I'll be waiting for the m7. I've followed this thread for over a month getting more and more excited, thinking this is my perfect phone, it all came to an end today.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I must be one of very few people actually happy with the screen on the z
[Xperia Z General] sshariff:
Glad i'm not the only one who went to check out the phone in the store! Many people will be satisfied by the display (just like they are with the XT) however we need to realize that it is pretty ordinary. Definitely not worth the price they have for this handset. Again agree 100% with the lack of fluidity in the interface. For those who are XT owners like me this is very much the same as the current Jelly Bean update that we have received where there is always this lag/stutter when scrolling through home screens. This is not a problem of the hardware but the way Sony have implemented their JB customization. The nexus 4 definitely seems more high end overall compared to the Z. But the Z is definitely more premium compared to S3/OneX but nothing to feel WOW about. I drove to the shopping center today expecting a Sony comeback but left disappointed and chose not to be like an iSheep.

I think I will wait to see what the next Nexus brings unless Sony can bring out something worth buying!
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

I think the screen is pretty awesome tbh, some people seem to trying to make out that's it's crap, not sure if they should of gone to specsavers!! :eek:
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Yh i know frankly i dont know what to think anymore, from what i see it looks ok, i dont think its too much of a problem if it is not the best screen out there, if it is doing the job for you then it is good. If it looks good to you then it is good, everyone phone will have a bit of a week point,

It may not be as good as one phone, but it still is good, and that's the whole point they may still have put a good screen in, not the best,

and i personally would be grateful everytime i take photos or watch videos BE2 kicks in. which is the best out there.

granted i could wait for the next best thing

but ill always be waiting, 2 years time they might have phones with 999PPI and blacks so deep and whites so bright you think your blind.

If i bought a Lamorghini tomorrow with a good interior but Ferraris interior last year was better, frankly i don't think it is a problem, it is still good and its what i wanted!:cowboy:
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
That's the problem recently - people are not buying what they want - people buy what's in and what has best specs, no matter if they actually like it or not ;)

As for the screen - people, just go to Sony Centre and see for yourself... listening to 1000 mixed opinions and watching youtube videos won't prove anything to you. Just check it yourself. I did, and i think the screen is amazing, really no idea what some are complaining about. Compared to Note 2 - XZ screen is better in every aspect but viewing angles, but LCD can never compete with AMOLED in this matter. But don't listen to me - just go see it yourself, it's worth it :)
[Xperia Z General] sneakingimperator:
R: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

The screen seems washed because of the 100 % brightness (this is the outdoor mode and direct sunlight situation, such as Xperia P White magic).

50-70% brightness is properly for indoor, it is brilliant altough and colours are crisp and deep
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
You haven't had much luck in the last year with phones have you, i remember you waiting on the One X....and then receiving bad handsets one after the other.....i got lucky with mine, glad i took the 12 month deal though. ;)
[Xperia Z General] xchasa:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

Im struggling to even watch the videos on this sunny day with the sgs3. Now that is a crap screen.

Can't wait to get this Z.

I'll take outdoor viewing over washed out colours at 150º anyday!
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

The phone isn't perfect, no phone is! But from what I require from a phone it's ticks mainly all the boxes! As long as I am happy with it I don't take much notice about the reviews!

The majority of reviews say the screen is great, some say it's not great... from what I have seen of it in the 3 store it looked awesome to me! Coming from a Note 2 the main plus point is the 443ppi screen, I can't stand seeing the pixels on my Note 2!

You are right in saying in we will always be waiting for the perfect phone, that will never happen will it!
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

Just.rang two phones 4 u stores. Don't have any units in store. Only a dummy.phone
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
Seeing those posts on the previous page really has me worried. Two people go to a Sony store and both decide they are not going to buy it anymore.

Though I am really getting sick of reading so many different opinions. Some say the screen is "far out the best right now", other talk about it like it's a pretty "crappy" screen. Seeing somebody mention that it reminded him of the HTC Desire HD really make me sad (that screen was horrible, looked so washed out). I don't mind less viewing angles then my S3 but if it's like the Desire HD I seriously won't buy the Z.

On the other hand, what else? I don't want the S4 since I have owned the S2 & 3 for the past 2 years and I just want something different. I really want a premium looking/feeling phone so that's why the Z seemed so perfect. The N4 on the other hand also looks/feels premium but it's just not a step forward from my S3 (+no micro sd card, 4G etc). I'm also not so keen on HTC devices, don't know why.

Man, it's even harder this year then last year to choose a phone.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

I would say ignore it all. And wait till you see the phone yourself. Everyone has different expectations. Some people are happy with it. Other who have moved from super amoled are disappointed. Surely it will not be that bad. I got one looking at the videos feel ok alloy the screen. Still anxious on receiving it. But it doesn't look that bad on videos. But I have to see it with my own eyes
[Xperia Z General] hebbe:
you have to see it like that: as long as there are people saying it's an awesome display, the display can't be that terrible. it's not like EVERYONE is complaining about the display.

so i guess it's up to everyone forming an opinion of its own. so there's no reason canceling a pre-order or not wanting to buy it anymore just because some say it's a horrible display. like i said, there are still people out there which are impressed by the screen.:laugh:

and since i still own my good old hd2, i hope i will be impressed too :good:
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

I've had the S2/S3 and Note 2 over last couple of years and a HTC One X, so very similar to your regard to your opinion... I want a change, what's made me go for the Z is mainly the premium build quality along with FHD display and decent camera.

IMO after owning the majority of top handsets over last year, here is a run down of each manufacturer.

Samsung, they are great at bringing out updates, they are the quickest... build quality is nice just put off with too much plastic now! Camera's are decent, I like the voice control how you can take a photo my saying "cheese" or "shoot". TouchWiz is ok, not the worst and not the best. My Note 2 screen is better than S3 apart from ppi is lower, AMOLEDS are subjective I liked them to start off with but when I had my One X it makes me miss LCD!

My main plus at Samsung is rooting is a piece of cake, flashing is simple Odin is great.

HTC, slow at updates, way to slow! Build quality is decent, loved my One X, the way the screen curved was lovely! Camera is one of the best I have used on a smartphone... apart from iPhone 5 (I haven't owned one just have used it a few times), when the One X came out the way you could take photos and videos was awesome in my opinion, definitely innovation (take note Apple). Sense is nice, better than TW IMO, the lockscreen is great. When I moved to the S3 I really missed the One X's lockscreen as I use Spotify and you cannot skip songs on TW's lockscreen, where on Sense you could (only a small thing but that's what count, I hope I can do this with XZ).

Screen quality was pretty Epic tbh, it still is one of the best around IMO. The negatives of HOX was battery life, pretty poor tbh, no sd slot (don't think I will ever get a phone without one now) and rooting isn't easy! To root a HOX you have to unlock the bootloader which voids your warranty etc (you all know) where with Samsung you have Triangle away you can hide it from Samsung!

Sony, I've never owned a Sony device (Sony Ericsson yes, years ago though) from what I have seen about the XZ has impressed me alot and that takes a great deal of doing! I have had about 10mins of time with it and that's all I needed to decide it will be my next phone! Along with the fact Sony are supporting the devs so rooting will be easy that's a big plus for me!

So @XDA Mark I hope some of this helps, but it can only be you that decides, I'm taking the reviews with a pinch of salt like I always do! :D
[Xperia Z General] sshariff:
Its not available in ALL stores. I'm in Glasgow, so people up here can head to Buchanan galleries to check it out. However almost all 3 stores have them so not difficult to get hold of one in the UK.
[Xperia Z General] xchasa:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

I remember going from galaxy s , s2 and s3 to a hox. At first it looked washed out. Then my perception adjusted and it soon became the benchmark screen in my opinion. So to some coming from samoled screens it will freak you out a bit for a short time, then it will soon become the screen you had hoped for.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

I couldn't agree more!
[Xperia Z General] sshariff:
It is still a good phone IMO and definitely more premium than an S3. However for me it just did not justify to upgrade from an XT. If you check the knowyourmobile review on YouTube then the camera is also average at the most, definitely not up there with the 2012 flagships. I have an inner feeling that Sony might have done something similar to that between the T and TX. Same will happen where the ZL will be the overall better phone in all departments including the display yet the Z will be marketed as their flagship.

The plus points for the Z to me are only the weatherproofing and sadly that's where it ends. However for someone on the end of their phone contracts the Z might be a good step up from their current handsets.