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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] witeboy07:
I have the otterbox defender. The only downside for me was the screen protector. Had a gap and would let dust in, so I took it off. Now I have my own protector, but the case seems a little lose. =/
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] blaxican25:
Otterbox defender is the best with iq shield screen protector :)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mark112089:
Seems like the answer is the defender but it has couple flaws. Rip out that screen protector, trim that power button, and it gets loose. Idk its alot of modifying for an expensive case. Now if we could just find one without these flaws. Seidio rings a bell but the magnet on the kick stand seems to interfere with the spen from what I gather. And if it breaks from a drop your sol. Thats what they told me. Thumbs down
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] sleshepic:
Well the defender is gonna be the most protection cus your comparing cases in different classes. Aegis and urban armor are both 2 in 1 injection molded cases. Much slimmer amd great protection for their size and weight, but not in the same category as the defender
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mark112089:
This is true
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
but if i have anti shock screen protector .. i should get Otterbox Defender ?

what is your advice

this case is a huge really .. it makes the phone very big

anyone have a drop test / experience with Urban Armor UAG or Trident Aegis ?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] gpgalanis:
I cant understand how people compare Aegis and UAG to Defender? They are in a totally different class. Also I cant understand how people vote for UAG a case that isn't available yet? Dont get me wrong. It looks great and most probably I will order one but it shouldn't be in this poll yet. Adding for example the ballistic would make more sense.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Souai:
depends on the type of drop you plan on doing.

i had a ballistic hardcore case for my atrix 4g. i accidentally dropped it off a second story balcony without the extra silicone layer. survived with nothing cracked. but i would put that down to luck mostly.

if its only a drop from your hip, any cheapo tpu case will do. if its a drop from head height, then i'd go for the big brands.

i would avoid metal bumper cases though. whilst the rigidity of metal cases means they distribute the force fairly evenly around the case, the weakness is that metals also amplify vibrations which can increase the risk of damaging the internals.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
i am confused

what is wrong with power button and screen protector in Otterbox Defender ?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mark112089:
Power button seems to stick because of the amount of material on it reported by some users. And the screen protector...this is what is making me go towards the commuter instead. The screen protector is not close enough to the real screen and there is a gap causing issues when touching the screen especially with pinch to zoom and for the spen. Also the screen protector has a cut out for the home button, which is ok but because of that gap I was talking about the cut out hole turns into a vacuum for dust when you press on the screen it suckings in junk. Not a big deal you would think, but that dust rubbing on the screen can possibly be abrasive and cause scratching over time also annoying. The big issue is usability with the screen protector and it seems like ot causes an issue. Fortunately if you really want the defender and you find the screen protector bothers you, you can push it out as it is held on by glue and can be pretty easily removed. A lot of people seem to do that.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Absolutely, apples and oranges. Not to mention that one of the "oranges" is not released yet. I mean, you can compare those cases for S3 line, but still it would be fare to wait until N2 version is released.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
so , i decided to order Otterbox Defender and remove the screen

and use my own anti shock screen protractor

do you think it's wise move or i should wait for Urban Armor UAG or more votes ??
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mark112089:
I think its wise. ull get more protection from the defender or commuter but more style with the uag.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
IMHO, wait until UAG is released and available on Amazon (assuming you are in US). Get Defender, Commuter, UAG, Ballistic, etc. at the same time. Play around with it, compare, feel it through, and then make a decision. Since UAG is not available yet, it might take a little bit longer for it to be available on Amazon after release on the their website (usually it goes discounted on Amazon). Again, this is just my humble opinion. Read and educate yourself on-line because you will learn details you wouldn't even pick up by looking at it yourself. Once you read plenty of reviews and watch enough YT videos, get your own hands'on experience and make sure you can return it back if not satisfied. Also, keep in mind, do you really need super-duper protection? Or just need an adequate protection? If you work on a factory floor or a contractor working on the roof, it's not even a choice and Defender is the only way to go. But if you are carrying it in the pocket, and/or want to take it with you when you go out - perhaps a thinner more stylish case is the way to go. Some people have insurance (from Best Buy or Square Trade or from service provider), and these people tend to go ultra slim with extra piece of mind knowing they won't have to pay $700 to replace it. By the same token, if you are paying $10 a month insurance and have $100-$200 deductible - perhaps investing in $50 case instead would be a smarter way to go. You got a lot of options. At the end of the day, make a choice based on your own judgment!!!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] sleshepic:
I would throw the casemate tough case in this mix. Just got one today and its awesome. I have a ballistic and an aegis and the tough case is whats staying on my phone. Will have pics and review for it tonight hopefully in the other thread I created.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] winlinmac001:
The Otterbox Defender is definitely more rugged and tougher than the Casemate Tough. I wouldn't remove the screen protector on the Otterbox Defender, although the pressure sensitivity of the S-pen is highly questionable.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] sleshepic:
The defender is more rugged than most everything, if you dont mind a lunchbox around your phone. I was comparing it to the other cases mentioned. Since it had been said that they are in dif class of cases
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
I guess i am going order otterbox defender

UAG is ready to order

But i guess its not better than otterbox
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] cardinalryan:
I have the defender and I can tell you that it does what it says it will do, HOWEVER, and this is a big however...you cannot even begin to imagine how massive this case is until you hold it in your hands. It's absolutely unreal how big the case is.

IMO, this is a huge tradeoff and I mean HUGE. You have to decide what's most important to you. If you do get the defender, you may want to look into a nice backpack to carry your phone in! ;)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] cdmoore74:
The Defender will offer the best protection. But the problem with the Defender is that it's going to make the phone even larger. I bought a Defender for my Droid X and Nexus and after a few days it became a nuisance to put in or take out of my pocket. A huge part of the problem is the grip of the silicone shell. And 2nd I don't care for the built in screen protector.

So out of the 3 cases you mentioned I would trust the Defender the most in a drop test. Maybe a better comparison would be a Otterbox Commuter VS Urban Armor UAG VS Trident Aegis. For me I actually picked up a Aegis on eBay a few days ago. I wanted the Commuter but the seller on eBay accepted my $20 offer.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] dorkboy69:
I have the Trident Aegis and love it, it is not to bulky and gives enough protection. If you want a good case for drop protection check out the Ballistic SG. I had one for my Atrix and really liked it.

The Ballistic has bumpers on all 4 corners that are at least a 1/4 inch thick rubber.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] IamPro:
Yea I went back to rocking the Aegis, it offers just enough protection that I wouldn't worry about a small drop but stylish at the same time.

Only thing I dislike is the glossy lines on the back, wonder if there is a way to add something on it.

A plus also is that if you cut the micro-usb dust cover, it then fits the Smart Dock :)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] naimmkassim:
I just got defender..just put it on mine note 2 few hours ago..really its not that huge..feel the width is same like when i hold note 1..really like it!! Recommended!!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
do you feel any deference in general ?

what about holding the phone with one hand and tow hands now , same ?

and about your pocket ?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
How can you not feel the difference when it more than doubles phone in weight and thickness. The outer rubber shell has a fantastic grip, and it doesn't stick when you pull it in/out of your pants pocket. I also didn't notice any lint being attracted to it either. When I had Defender for a limited time, I even tried its belt holster - very secure and conveniently swivels to adjust when you standing up versus sitting down, although it felt like you are carrying a laptop on your belt lol!!!

I'm telling you this from first hand experience, when you really trying to make yourself like this case and justifying spending $40+ on it - you will try to convince yourself its not that bad :) But the truth of the matter - its a case that offers superior protection at a cost of extreme bulkiness and built-in screen protector inconvenience. You just have to compare pros and cons and decide if protection is worth it to forget about inconvenience part ;)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mexiking713:
I could hardly handle my note 2 with one hand when I had the commuter. I imagine I couldn't handle the phone if I had the defender. Of course it going to add thickness to the phone but this is a matter of opinion. Some people dont mind and some, like me, stay away because of it. Why not go to your local sprint store and try both out?

Sent from a galaxy note 2 far far away...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] cardinalryan:
This is just ridiculous.

I am happy for you that you like your defender...I kind of like mine too, but to say that it's "not that huge" is very misleading.

The only word that can describe the case is massive. Again, it's a great case that does exactly what it claims it will do, but there is absolutely no way around the girth. If you can deal with that and you are okay with the trade-off, then you will be happy with this case.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] wase4711:
lmao for people voting for a case that isn't even released for this phone yet..

Otterbox defender is the toughest case, period....

Its big and bulky, but if you need max protection, currently, that is the BOSS....
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Darkshado:
I popped the screen protector off my Defender within minutes, I wish they provided two upper rings, one with, one without. This would provide more options, and remove any wiggle room that the now-gone protector leaves. (Edit: I've cut small strips of thin adhesive plastic tabs you'd normally use to separate sections in a book or binder, works like a charm.)

The holster is very handy, and very solid too.

Now don't kid yourselves, it's big. It turns the Note 2 in a bully of sorts, a single grunt and other phones around it will run for cover. :P

Looking at the two other cases, they seems closer to the Commuter than the Defender.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] naimmkassim:
Yeah..my feeling is same what he said...personal preference i think..im a father of 2 boys..there are few occasion where my note 2 nearly fly away from top to ground when my boys playing around with it..lucky now with defender i can feel more secure :D.. thanks otterbox!!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] winlinmac001:
If you think about it, the Defender Case will give you a feel of the upcoming Note 3, in-spite of the fact that the Note 3 will be probably some where above the 6" range, lol.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] naimmkassim:
Ok..maybe a bit misleading..in term of thickness, yes..its double the thickness now..but in term of width n length for me is not that much..anyway, it does feel more comfortable to hold it in your hand rather than slim and slippery naked of your note 2..:p
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] yankees45us:
I just can't see myself buying an expensive case to just remove the screen protector that belongs in it but needs to be removed to make case work better. Have tried defender on 2 of my phones and have returned it both times. Still stick with the seidio active or a tpu case and a leather belt case.

Sent from my Amazing Galaxy Note 2!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] zkyevolved:
Which case isn't released yet? All 3 are up for sale as of a few days ago. :cyclops:
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] bond32:
Otterbox is great. Do I need this much protection? No. But I'm ocd and I like the extra grip it gives too. Ironically the built in screen protector is more clear than some of the regular screen protectors I've tried.

Also the defender isn't the only case I use, ill switch to the elago minimal case every now and then too.

Sent from my SCH-I605
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Well, another point if you switch Defender with other cases, how long do you think those inner plastic tabs locking the top ring will last? I know they are sturdy, but it's still the weakest point of the case and has a limited lifespan before they snap.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] DkjDroid:
The lint in the defender screen protector comes in through the button so I just sealed up the button hole and no more lint :)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
Explain more please

with pics if possible
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MoHoGalore:
+1. Just ordered another case for this reason. Lint and dust. Sealing may be an option since I work in an industrial environment.

Sent from my GN2 or E4GT
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] :
It's too bad life proof only makes it iphone

cases.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
Just got the defender and and removed the screen protector

Just amazing case

Its not that huge .. Almost same as my old ionic GUARDIAN case
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] gpgalanis:
Is there a gap in the sides now that you removed the screen protector? Also is the phone moving inside the case or is it totally firm and solid?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Jooosty:
Pretty much this.

I've had the otter for a month but trading for a ultra slim case. It had protected my phone from numerous drops but damn is it big.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] cardinalryan:
Correct.

This is not subjective...it's the biggest case I've personally ever held. It's bigness cannot be overstated.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Souai:
urban armor gear is technically only up for pre order, and wont be out till february. no one has the note 2 case yet, so cant really compare without any hands on experience with it.

still waiting for mine, but im hoping it offers a comparable level of protection to my ebay heavy duty case. only thing is i wish UAG had a stand integrated into it.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] gpgalanis:
As said the Defender is in a different class in terms of proteftion and can't be compared to the other two so this poll is more a "what would you prefer" one. And of course regarding the UAG, which btw really like and most probably order, the only thing we have is a 3d rendering so it shouldnt be in the poll.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MamomaN:
Yes a little .. Not much but i can feel it

Sent from Sent from Sent from Sent from Sent from
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Romulux:
I don't really see how a hard shell covered by a shoft shell (otterbox defender) provides better protection than a soft shell covered by a hard shell that protects the corners (incipio dualpro: check it on youtube watch?v=jBRw6PyX5fo).

The otterbox commuter and trident aegis are similar designs, but neither actually cover the corners with the hard shell, so you're left with only tpu or rubber or silicone protecting your corners. The incipio dualpro is the only soft/hard shell I've seen that completely covers every corner with the hard shell (with silicone under it).

I guess the idea with the defender is that since it's totally encased in a hard shell the whole frame of the phone takes the impact of a drop? That seems backwards to me. I don't want my phone taking the impact, I want the case taking it.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Allstar1000:
I like the Otterbox best really nice case i used it on my BlackBerry too
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] GreatDad:
Nice cases for the note 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW2vrkWGCfI

www.kevikev.com
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] GreatDad:
try this one just as protective without the bulk 10% off store wide coupon code is XDA10OFF

http://www.kevikev.com/Yoobao-Samsu...-1-Potective-TPU-SILICA-Case-PCSAMN7100-3.htm
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] GreatDad:
nice cases kevikev.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oW2vrkWGCfI#t=668s
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] PhxDroid86:
My Otterbox Defender

Pro's

-Design - havent dropped phone once, easy to grip with even the slightest pinch from only two fingers

-Durable - button/port accesses are sturdy and withstand constant abusecondition

-Highest level of protection - 3 layers - Hard front/back shell, Thick rubber wrap, front/rear face mountable belt clip/kick stand

-Built-in Screen Cover - Leaves actually screen completely mint (with or w/o sticky screencover)

-with a minor adjustment period, is very user friendly

Con's

-Price - I got it early for 70... dont think its gone down much

-Built in screen cover could be a little more scratch proof (at least it is removable, and hopefully replacements come available)

-kickstand would serve better with a more horizontal tilt, but atleast its there and if turned over, works quite well from a sitting position
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] EpsilonTheGreat:
I'm using the defender, and its good.

It took some time to adjust using the builtin screen protector, but i'm okay now.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] 1914Macguyver:
Defender is tops..

Yes.. it looks like a potential murder weapon.. but it does what it is supposed to do.. protect your investment.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] endo689:
I own both cases and use both for different occasions. Honestly I use my UAG as my daily case but if I go to an event such as EDC 2013 I use my Otterbox Defender. I have dropped my phone a couple of times with each case and both cases have offered excellent protection.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] RafaelCC90:
Note 2 with Otterbox Defender fits in your pocket?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] endo689:
Yeah. Even though I may get funny looks with it in my skinny jeans I just smile at people and say yeah it's that big. :P Again though mainly use the otterbox for activities I know my phone may get tossed around or possibly dropped.
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
I modified the new stock kernel with the ramdisk features from CleanROM:

- insecure adbd

- init.d support

Flashable ZIP:

View attachment 1657033

Update 2013-01-21: Here is a version that does not set lcd_density, so that custom dpi set in /system/build.prop work. Verified to work with CROMI 3.2.

View attachment 1664853

Working fine here with a mix of CleanROM 2.3, custom mods and some cherry-picked changes from CROMI. This kernel should be compatible with any stock ROM since 10.4.4.18 or CleanROM/Inheritance since 2.3.

My MicroSD card (Sandisk Mobile Ultra UHS-1) seems to work more stable now - will try All2SD tomorrow.

For the tutorial how to unpack and repack a kernel, see post #4.

Update 2013-01-21: Updated with info how to unlock DPI.
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
Nice work!!:good:
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
Many thanks - I've been struggling with linux to unpack the blob.LNX file. Blob tools isn't working for me for some reason as ./blobunpack blob.LNX says unrecognised blob format.

What is the secret to get it working?
[Asus Transformer TF700] sloanster:
uh huh, uh huh, What?

I think I need to go to blob school....:silly:
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
Wow! Many thanks! :victory:

Will digest this tomorrow but yes I recognised my smack head moment! :D :laugh:
[Asus Transformer TF700] poemadevil:
Hmmm, my extreme pro 16gb seems to work fine with this kernel. Using/testing it as an external storage, formatted as fat32. Before it wasen't even recognized when inserted. In recovery (twrp) the card is still not recognized but in android (cleanrom 3.1) it works fine.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Blue cat:
New kernel from _that so bad,this kernel dont have OC and voltage control,DPI and most important for me balance power mode 1600...performance power mode do nothing.

But i still want asus changes from new kernel.I hope someone create normal kernel like was Clemsyn's kernel or may be _that do this?

But still thanks for your work and sorry if it's all sounds not very good...
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
That's a bit harsh don't you think.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Blue cat:
Yes,sorry if it's sounds harsh,forgot add in my post gratitude for his work,cant edit next 5 min.I just very want OC and new kernel.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
_that has only worked on the Asus Stock kernel, for which I am extremely grateful. It gives those users who don't want to OC anything the ability to have a custom rom on the new kernel. From my testing it works better than the old kernel and is very stable.

I will be looking at the Clemsyn kernels in the mean time to see if I can bring them onto the new kernel base and the benefits they bring.

Please be patient, these are not 5 minute jobs. It can take many hours to unpack, decompile, edit, recompile, repack a kernel into a working flashable package. Then we have to test it and live with bootloops and soft bricks if we get it wrong. I can not tell you how many times I have had to restore my Infinity due to one line of code wrong or a badly compiled apk. It's all so you don't have to.

Anyway I'm sure you understand :good: Why don't you read the guides and have a go yourself? Always good to have more people able to do this type of work :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Blue cat:
I tried to understand,but it's all very hard for me and ok i will be wait your new kernel with OC :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
This is a 100% stock kernel with just a custom ramdisk. Stock kernels never have any of the features you describe here.

Asus have not released their sources for 10.4.4.25 yet, and Clemsyn's kernel sources are a big mess. As soon as sources are released, it is possible to build a new kernel with OC features.

Do you have a clue how to build the kernels in your kernel installer from Clemsyn's sources?

Right, this kernel was more like 10 minutes work. Writing the tutorial took more than 2 hours. :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
Great job, _that, you have my sincere thanks. I still cannot find the Thanks button on my screen because of all the blood and brain tissue that got on there when my head exploded. I'll take a walk over to the ED department to get that fixed with a printed plastic cranium, glue it shut, cover it up with a few bandages, get back to my own department and then clean up for a bit. When I finally regain something of a normal level of consciousness I'll try and step into the shadown you throw upon me, and press the damn button.

EDIT: button pressed. Speech still slurring a bit, minor tremor in the left hand and incontinent for both faeces and urine. Apart from that, I'm fine, thanks for asking.

;)

Just kidding, obviously. I've read along, and I get most parts theoretically. Thanks for making me learn -- the most important mental facility we humans have.