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[Xperia Z General] thunderising:
Sony is hardly concerned with the GS4. It will be taken care of :p

Anyways, SGS4 will be another piece of plastic
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That video is a bad comparison for many reasons. For starters, the brightness is obviously not equal. If you crank up the brightness on the Xperia Z to the maximum and don't do the same on the Butterfly then it's pretty obvious the Z will look "washed out". You're supposed to adjust the brightness of the display to the environment.

There are many other videos that show the viewing angles are perfectly fine if you don't go way too far with the brightnes.

This one for example:

[YOUTUBE]H-XdtQf13tc[/YOUTUBE]

Or the first part of this one:

[YOUTUBE]_-voVE2bVYw[/YOUTUBE]

All videos that show these "horribly bad" viewing angles are made with settings that are just completely wrong and would screw up the viewing angles and contrast on any phone. These two videos have the brightness set to acceptable levels that are appropriate for the lighting conditions where they are shot.

You can call us fanboys all you want, but I call you ignorant. You find one video showing off so-called bad viewing angles and you start complaining right away. That's pretty weak.
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
Thanks! I was really worried about the viewing angles, they appeared bad/very bad in some videos I found on youtube. But what you say is indeed true + the two examples you show are indeed excellent.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
here is a full hands on...in german...but worth seeing :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1igS6G_mdlI
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I must say Hungarian is a very weird variant of German, I don't understand a word of it!
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That's very true, especially when the sources come from devs that do all the hardwork, such as yourself!
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
lol As you said, "probably". This shows you know nothing and are an opinionated and an ignorant person. Do some home work next time and watch some videos that are not of such poor quality before you decide to shout out loud. There are plenty of other decent videos about that show just how good the screen is.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Buddy this isn't fanboyism but observation. Had full brightness. The difference on the display were obviously on the contrast. It's because Sony's display cranks up display brightness far more than HTC does. I have a sony and HTC phone so I know what I'm talking about.
[Xperia Z General] afrojoc:
I'm sure the HTC Butterfly will have a much nicer screen because even the One X I had was very beautiful. But HTC phones just suck.. Sense is awful, the phone was uncomfortable to hold although it has a beautiful design, but the phone would frequently tear itself up. The vibration motor kept making a clicking noise.. Either way I would never recommend HTC over Sony or Samsung
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

ROM Chefs !!!

Sounds rude, it takes lot of effort to create a good ROM..those who used PARANOIDANDROID must be knowing this !!

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] #illidan:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Dafuq!! PA is anything but a copy paste zipped ROM. :rolleyes:

What he meant where people who call themselves developers by modifying a stock ROM's by adding or removing a bunch of stuff to "improve performance or battery life" which anybody with a brain could do. Those people are rightly called ROM Chefs as they don't get their hands dirty with code unlike real developers so he is right & respect due to real developers.

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[Xperia Z General] ixon2001:
Well I've decided the Galaxy S3 is my last smartphone from Samsung, mainly because Both the S2 & S3 have had their problems.

Samsung Galaxy S, brilliant phone in my book never had a single problem with it in the time i owned it, loved that phone.

Samsung Galaxy S2, Mainly video camera problems, were unless you got one with a Sony Camera Module, you would have terrible low light stutter, unfortantly i had one of the bad ones ie Samsung module and shooting video in either 720p or 1080p indoors or any other low situation was a waste of time due to terrible stutter, were as the S2 with the Sony module never suffered this problem.

Samsung Galaxy S3 my current Smartphone.

First major problem I've had with this phone is that my 32GB Sandisk card keeps unmounting itself, luckily my 16GB Sandisk one isn't showing these problems, yet the 32GB Sandisk is working fine in the laptop.

Second Problem is with dust, I have a peddle blue since last June, and the amount of dust that built up around the outerside of the screen and in both the speaker and button is shocking, and i've never had it in a dusty area, just basically what come out of my pocket or being on the desk, worst thing is it's near impossible to clean out to, so gonna have to trade it in rather than sell it due to this.

I also find the build quality on the S3 is alot worst than past generations to, the first Galaxy S was built really well considering it was plastic, S2 was in some ways to but the S3 seem's like they cut costs on alot of things to maximize profits this time around.

The Sony Experia Z will be the first Smartphone i buy from Sony, mainly because it ticks all right boxes plus having by looks of it superb build quality & both dust and waterproof being the main reasons for getting this smartphone, It proberly won't be the most powerful of Smartphones out this year, but i don't see that being a problem.

Tbh i don't care how powerful the S4 is, I've had enough of Samsung now and it time for a fresh start with somebody else.
[Xperia Z General] Codrea:
I really want to go to zperia z bexause sammy have been disappointing to developers. I love xperia z because it s qualcomm not exynoss. And a premium design. One think that bugging me is about the screen. Since I am using s2 and love the display by amoled screen. I only hope this reality display can fulfill my expectation. Go sony fak samsul.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
ROM chefs like the quote below me said are just repackaging stock ROMs and customize stuffs.

You wouldn't call someone a developer if he would just replace Sony home launcher with APEX launcher or some other launchers, remove bloatwares, adjusting values on build.prop or any sh/conf files, extract systemUI and change colors of images and replace icons do you? They're much suited for the term themers.

Paranoid Android porters wouldn't be called ROM chefs since you basically compile that ROM from source(Like CM, MIUI and AOSP ROMs). So yeah they are real developers if you ask me.

Source code for making Paranoid ROM is here: https://github.com/ParanoidAndroid

True :)
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
Nexus 4 vs Z
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

1 point for nexus 4 atleast its cheaper
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
well, it isn't even release here yet.. And price isn't a lot cheaper probably when it comes out. this is just depending on the place you live :p
[Xperia Z General] gstrn32:
what i would like to know why are all these samsung lovers trolling around a sony forum to bash it.

I had the x10 which was a great phone and now have a skyrocket which is an improvement as it is newer technology and i've dropped it numerous times with finger crossed no damage yet, but my wife has an S3 that she dropped and cracked and my buddy got a note 2 which he dropped and it pretty much shattered the bottom corner of the screen seeing this i think that the gorilla glass 2 is actually weaker, so i am excited to see how strong the dragontrail screen is. Cause after all it's a phone, duarbility should be top priority since these things go everywhere and need to be able to withstand a fall or two.
[Xperia Z General] Nethojs29:
but now phones are kinda 6months-life, it's like cars, if you get a brand new one, it'll need repair after a couple months, but a old one, like 98-04 won't need that. We are in the time where we need to change everything after a short of time, just look for a signature from a user who has like 20 phones in his history, almost sure they change phone every 6 months.

btw, for dev roms and everything, is Xperia Z looking good against nexus 4? since I don't have a N4 idk if it has good roms, tweaks and etc, And I read that Sony has a good relationship with the dev
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

An advice:p if you don't want to get this thread closed then don't call someone a troll ,someone could come flaming at you

,thread gets closed and has happened many times,

Sent from Xperia ST21i using xda app-developers app
[Xperia Z General] azrash:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

unfortunately not everyone can afford to switch phones every six months. I normally have around two years life cycle for my phones. If you are asking whether the Nexus 4 has good roms, it most certainly does. Even the nightlies are very stable too, it is a Nexus device after all. It is meant to be used as a developer phone, so tweaking it is easier than non Nexus devices.

Sony seems to be improving their developer support, so hopefully that trend can continue. I am looking forward for a Nexus device from them. Maybe in two years time when I normally upgrade. :P

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Xperia Z General] gstrn32:
exactly on contract phones the shortest time frame you're looking at with having a phone is a year and a half. i cant afford to swap phones the way some people change underwear.. haha i can barely afford that
[Xperia Z General] thewiseoutlaw:
Shower phone

I love the look and style of Z, Also like that you can basically take it with you everywhere, pool, beach, shower. It's all good ( with some care to not lose it). The only thing is updates from sony and custom roms. With my S3 i install a new rom every week cause i can and it's fun. So i might wait for s4, s5 or note X
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
IMO the best measure of a devices dev potential is CyanogenMod - all the better and more important roms (actual roms) are based on it.

Sony's dev friendly approach has ensured that the CM team is fully committed to developing for their devices, whereas Samsung has lost a number of key CM dev's due to their own douchebaggery.

So the xperia z should, in theory, be good to go here.
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
Yup, HTC is complete garbage. Just imagine the Xperia S yellow tint problem magnified by 10. Not only did all four of my HTC devices have the yellow tint that my Xperia S had, but my first One X had a loose screen, didn't always register being pluggeg in, and finishing marks on the micro usb port. The replacement One X which was from a build months later still had the finishing marks but it also didn't receive all my notifications.

My first HTC 8x had a dead pixel and my current 8x has a yellow tint and a rattling volume rocker. I would have replaced it for a third one but why bother, it is HTC so it will have something.

Love them or hate them but Samsung's "cheap build quality" phones are the only perfectly crafted devices I have ever owned, and I have owned tons, which could be an accurate indicator of why they are so successful. Hint, it is not advertising.
[Xperia Z General] thewinterorange:
Xperia Z CPU

S4 Pro clocked at 1.5Ghz is going to be underpowered by phones like the M7 and the SGS4. Its a CPU from last year.
[Xperia Z General] soulzero:
Heard the S4 will pack a i7 clocked at 3.44ghz. So will wait till then.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Seriously? There is so much more that matters than just the CPU. Okay, the SGS4 will probably be faster, but the M7: doubt it. Those 200Mhz/core don't mean anything, HTC's Sense will make the phone so slow you won't notice the difference.

Also, it's not a CPU from last year, it's only a few months old. Not everything announced before 1 Jan 2013 automatically became slow the moment you saw your fireworks.

The Xperia Z is going to be a big seller because it is waterproof, has excellent build quality and (according to most people) looks amazing. Those are three things HTC and Samsung probably won't be able to top.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Sgs4 should have a quad a15 @1.8ghz which is better than s4 pro,even when clocked lower it should still be better other things depend on software
[Xperia Z General] #illidan:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

So I guess the SGS4 would fit easily in a server rack right?:rolleyes:

It's a phone, not a super computer or a game console or a high end AIO so use it as one. The S4 Pro is a more that capable SOC & should be able to handle even the most demanding of games quite well. If you want a fancy spec'ed phone with a less than mediocre skin go for the S4 but if you want good AOSP support & hardware go for the Z.

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[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

You are talking bs again how do you no the design of s4? Have you seen it ? NO then how can u say it's a fancy spec d mediacore designed phone?

And s4 pro is more capable ? You know that A15 is better than Krait (currently) with same no of cores ,no way s4 pro is better than A15 ,you might say we won't see a difference other than benchmarks but no way it's more powerful than A15 quad

Again if they release full unbroken sources then what ? Huge community+dev support ?

Don't atleast preassume things like design it would go down to small and precise things for that.
[Xperia Z General] #illidan:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Fanboy!! :rolleyes:

First of all this is the first time I spoken on this topic so you must have me confused with someone else.

Secondly you need to improve your comperhension skills. I said skin as in the abhorrent & gaudy TW & the not design or materials used which based on past trends isn't going to be great or win any awards either.

Third point being is that you have absolutely no clue about the S4 Pro design architecture which clearly shows from your ignorant statement. Also I never said the S4 Pro can beat a true A15 so stop putting words in my mouth. What I said is that the S4 Pro is a more than capable processor on its own which will mostly likely be toped only by the Exynos 5450.

Fourthly good luck with Samsung & their deviously misleading ways for sources. It's the only reason why I'm never going to purchase or recommend to anyone a smartphone from Samsung. If they change their attitude towards the community I'm more that happy to go back to them but in their current state & Sony's extremely friendly attitude toward the development community there isn't a snowballs chance in hell I'm going back to Samsung.

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[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Blah blah blah blah same old song development blah blah blah. S3 and note 2 have more dev support than all Sony phones that came out in 2012. Done.

---------- Post added at 02:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:30 AM ----------

You mean S3 aosp roms and no ,not all of them are buggy. What I find interesting is that despite the fact that Samsung doesn't provide all these sources you're talking about, their devices attract more devs. Why is that? Why does the S3 have more roms, kernels than any 2012 Sony phones?

You're saying the only one staying with Samsung is gokhanmoral? I don't want to state any dev names but you're talking out of your a$$ with no facts.

It is your right to choose any phone you want no one is saying what you should do, but if you like lying to yourself then good for you. The point here is very clear, more devs, more roms, more kernels, more mods, more apps and themes on Samsung devices than any other Sony phones, that is a fact.
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

You two, a phone is more than just specifications,you both know that!!!

Right now its more about what the Sony makes me feel. Why buy a Ferrari if you like Porsche? And the practical part too, I actual do need a hummer. (I live in Norway in the vest; its raining all the time)

For me the Sony is like a mix of porsche and a hummer and I love it!!!! :thumbup: :D
[Xperia Z General] #illidan:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Funny all your devices aren't from Samsung yet. BTW are you basing your comments from prior experience or out of your ass? Troll!!

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[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Looks like some people buy phones only to show benchamrks, but I prefer overall user experience. I expect SGS4 to have better hardware than Xperia Z and will be better at benchmarks, but benchmarks doesn't provide better user experience. I had all previous Galaxy S phones and I currently still have Galaxy S3, but next phone will be Xperia Z. Samsung got the best hardware, but unfortunately software got bugs and isn't optimized as it should be. That is reason why Galaxy Nexus, which has very dated hardware, is at least as smooth as SGS3. So hardware isn't everything, but also software is very important. Also dont forget about software bugs like Exynos bug, sudden death syndrome etc.

My opinion is that Xperia Z got good enough hardware and with well optimized software it will give great user experience without lags. Also very important is that Sony supports dev community and Xperia Z got very similar hardware as Nexus 4, so I expect it will run next Android version (Key lime pie) much sooner than SGS4. Samsung promised it will provide sources to developers until end of 2012, but as far as I know, Samsung didn't released those sources. So why would I trust them?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Lmao! Read my signature. S1,S2, S3, note 1, note 2. Had them all. A typical idiotic comment. What made you think I didn't have a Samsung yet? You just guessed didn't you lol

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I personally do not care about benchmarks, they are just numbers to me. You expect the Xperia Z to have key lime pie much sooner than the SGS4? Do you really believe that? Its not like the Xperia Z is gonna launch with the latest 4.2.1 u know. What makes u think it'll have key lime pie before the S4? The galaxy s 3 had belly bean before any HTC or Sony phones. In fact, how ma y Sony phones have officially received jelly bean? One more thing and I dont wanna sound like a Sony hater cause I like Sony, I just don't understand all the nonsense thrown around Samsung. So Sony supports the dev better than Samsung, fact. But it seems that the dev support Samsung devices better than Sony. How ironic.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Thing is you all are taking it for granted ,and many fanboys were doing that ,(and some got on my nerve,as a result i reacted somewhat foolishly )

But I am saying the same thing you can't tell that if something which isn't officially out is bad or good ,sources can be released and what you said(above) can be wrong.

I think Xperia z would be a great phone irrespective of what any other phone is.But I am waiting to see what other phones turn out to be

sent from Xperia sT21i
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

That's what I tried to explain. The Xperia Z is Sony's most anticipated and talked about phone from their Xperia line. It looks great and has powerful specs that will make it future proof. On top of that Sony supports the devs which is a great thing. But all these fanboys crying about the yet to be announced S IV makes me laugh, apparently people have visions that its gonna be plastic, its gonna have slow updates, no supports, no one will buy it ....... We shall find out soon enough.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I agree with you s3 indeed has a huge support from devs (even without sources) and many aosp Roms(at least those I tried) are quite stable .Same case with mods and kernels in my experience .

sent from Xperia sT21i
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Its simple, Sony provide needed sources to devs while Samsung doesn't. Codeworkx managed to make CM10 without major bugs for Xperia T in arround 2 weeks ( http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/2012/10/11/cm10-for-sony-xperia-t ), while CM10 didn't work well on SGS3 (i9300) after a few months.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
How many of those 'mods', 'roms' blah blah work well? nearly none, don't bs yourself. If things were so smooth on the s3 dev's wouldn't need to ask for the sources. We all know about all the bugs samsung devices have, lets not kid ourselfs here.
[Xperia Z General] #illidan:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

And a typical arrogant comment form someone who likes to mouth off stuff before he gets what the other person is trying to say. I prefer to stop this before it gets out of hand & the mods come in so this is my last post on the matter.

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[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

They work seriously I can give some examples like rootbox,omega Rom ,siyah kernel,perseus kernel there are many of them you can search for them and they work great

without bugs and I am not talking bs I have used them and they work.

sent from Xperia sT21i
[Xperia Z General] HYPER-X10:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Samsung phones feel cheap and look disgusting. I couldn't care if it had an i7 and a week of battery life, I will never fork out my own money for something that looks like a turd.

Xperia Z for me :D
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
I have an S2 you know? I can tell you right now its buggy as hell, for instance cyanogenmod 10.1 is still buggy, ressurection remix, AOKP, even dorimanx kernel, now i don't in any way want to insult the people who made this but there's no need to kid ourselfs here. There is also no point including roms based on samsung roms, we mean AOSP stuff.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
For those who are arguing about samsung and sony, see this.. nuff said

[YOUTUBE]Wl1HOOe6tio[/YOUTUBE]

samsung = bugs, bricks, security flaws, no kernel sources, non development friendly

sony = quality, close to aosp, contributing to aosp, sony dev rel is involved in xda directly, kernel sources etc etc..