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[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Hmm

Personally for me i am going with the Z, i mean the phone is shatterproof, waterproof, dustproof, has a 1080P screen, HDR video, 13MP, 2 GB ram, and a snapdragon processor, the difference between sony and samsung is that sony make good sturdy durable devices while on the other hand samsung make cheap plastic ugly devices. The sony xperia Z is neat, elegant and stylish, not to mention unique. With samsung they use propaganda to get people to buy their phones, ie (8 core octa processor) i mean not even i7 desktops have 8 cores, thats just an example of samsungs devious ways, not only this but samsung dont realise their sources for their firmware or kernels, so custom roms are always so buggy and out of touch, while on the contrary sony work carefully with devs to deliver the best user experience for the user, not only this but waiting for devices is stupid, i mean no matter how long you wait their will be new technology out, you can't always have the most up to date phone, i mean its not as if you have a iphone 3Gs, so yeah the xperia Z in white is the one.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Same here I will wait for at least 2/3 months, maybe google x phone or s4 or g2 or sony ,you get more choices in q2/q3
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

I agree, but hardware isnt everything. Example is Galaxy Nexus, which is despite dated hardware probably even smoother than SGS3. IMO s4 pro with well optimized software should be very smooth. Probably CM will run better on Xperia Z, because Sony provides sources to developers. Question is if SGS4 will get CM support, because developers are unhappy with closed sources for Samsung phones.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
After my experience with sammy phones, i feel they like producing phones in bulk. (quantity and not quality)

cheap and plasticy, oversaturated unnatural screen and really low build quality

Even though they are huge organization it takes them so much time to release updates

their hardware and software gui and aesthetics are really not good

plus their development support is the worst. not only is exynos closed sourced and outdated, but every update they do gets so much bugs.

sony takes time, and does good quality stuff.. is super development friendly and i heard they will also give support to aosp for their new devices including Z

its definitely Z for me..
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Apparently there's news now that the new Galaxy S IV will have an 8 core CPU clocked at 1.8ghz.

If true, I'm going to wait for Samsung instead of Sony.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
its just 4 cores of a15 and 4 of a7

why? because this way it will use less power, so all a15 and a7 wont be used.. so practically only 4 cores will be used..

so tomorrow qcomm can easily put in 20 cores and say.. yayy we made 20 cores, and still 4 cores will be used:

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30154-qualcomm-ceo-bashes-exynos-octa-core

the core no.s etc are just pr means to attract customers, nothing else.. a dual core even works so amazingly well.. there is no end haha
[Xperia Z General] ratcom:
ex owner of the S3 and now owner of Note 2 I will be going over to sony this time due to lack of dev support from sammy.
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Dev support is really bad with Samsung..had horrible experiences with them..

Sony is amazing with dev support.and has an amazing dev relations team..definitely going for Xperia z
[Xperia Z General] avetny:
Im getting Z., after getting S IV.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
most likely 99% going for the Z.

Samsung will never EVER EVER be able to design a phone that looks or feels this nice, THEY have not got the balls to do this,

Tell me where in hell are you going to use 8 cores?!?!!?

It is like buying a ferrari and then only ever driving it through urban streets

S4 pro is good enough
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4

How do you know that? I'm sure Samsung is gonna have to improve their build quality at some point cause that's one of their weakest point. As far as the 8 cores goes, well some people think that a quad core phone is ridiculous and doesnt make sense but here we are.
[Xperia Z General] noxlord:
Anyone here watched both Sony and Samsung Keynotes speech at CES ?

Samsung kept pushing design, numbers, how they listen to customers, connectivity, etc ...

Sony pushed how their brand is fueling the pro sound-cinema-broadcast industry, the vertically integrated use of technology and the pursuit of excellence, etc ... They even talked about supporting developers.

Overall Sony gave a much more "professionnal" aura to their speech while Samsung sounded more like "me-too".
[Xperia Z General] doodads:
It's tough. I'm not a fan of Samsung's designs, but I'm sure their phone will probably be the best performing. I just fear it'll be too big.

I kind of wish they'd get rid of the home button and some bezzle and keep it the S3 size or smaller than the S3 if possible (the ZL tells me it's possible). Touchwiz would have to have onscreen buttons for that though.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
If Sumsung S4 will have premium looks (very hard I know) then its gonna be tough to choose !!

Better for SONY to release XZ in Feb itself, dont give much time to think :D
[Xperia Z General] androidindian:
they won't .. because their industrial designers are localites and they dont like working with talented artists and designers from around the world.

whereas if you see sony has a global approach, they always work with amazing talents around the globe and listen to their customers.

sony = quality premium

samsung = quantity
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

..

How can you tell whats going to happen in future?

I think you are exaggerating yes the design is not so good feeling somewhere but its not like something totally crap

If it had been so bad then I think they wouldn't had been able to sell so many
[Xperia Z General] Dr.Engineer:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

Buy Xperia Z(for outdoor use)/Xperia ZL(for indoor use) if you want to enjoy connectivity options provided by sony, such as mirrorplay which work seamlessly with sony peripheral devices.

Samsung S4 will be packing a 1.2GHz Exynox 5 Octa processor based on Arm A-15 and Mali-400 MP GPU. Which will have a great battery life, much more than Xperia Z/Xperia ZL; But, will not be waterproof like Xperia Z.
[Xperia Z General] James.UBC:
I'd say get the Z or wait for HTC

Samsung's displays are pretty terrible IMO. All the colours are off and the design is just meh at best.
[Xperia Z General] dmadhur:
go by ur priority i'd say if u prefer design most go straight for xperia z or if u care more for specs then definitely S4
[Xperia Z General] Warhero141:
Re: Xperia Z - Quick Buy or Wait for Galaxy S4 ?

I just get the one with the better battery duration.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/01...to-test-new-update-services-from-galaxy-s-iv/ :)))))))))))
[Xperia Z General] xxxSilverxxx:
No, it isn't an IPS display. Its an poor TN display. You can see on that video how much worse Z's display is compare to LG 4X...

http://youtu.be/e7krD_1a_YY

Its game changer for me, only Nexus 4 is best choice for new phone, rest is nowehere...
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
TFT can be anything from TN to IPS, it says nothing about what kind of panel they use in the XZ. Guess I'll have to wait for reviews before placing an order.
[Xperia Z General] xxxSilverxxx:
@Toss3

Sorry, of course I mean TN. If Xperia Z does have an IPS display then why Sony dont says about that like LG does: "Hey, we have got might Full HD IPS display. Samsung, come on, hit me!"
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
I think you should at least do a bit of research before making such statements. Do you know of a display manufacturer that mass produces TN 1080p 5 inch panels?

All 1080p 5 inch panels in the world are IPS. Check JDI display specs for its 5 inch 1080p panel. And 5 inch 1080p panels are not potato wafers that everybody has their own version and "cheaper" quality. :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Sony never discusses technical details of components they don't manufacture themselves (display, glass 'brand', ...).

In any case, the viewing angles are actually pretty good. There have been multiple videos with Xperia Z's screen looking perfectly fine and being just as good as the display on all 2012 flagships viewing angle-wise.

I made a post on why it is 100% undeniably IPS: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36852469&postcount=100

And another post to show some video's where the viewing angles are clearly no problem: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37300643&postcount=284

And should you really, really want to know the Xperia Z uses this display: http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2012/20121004.html

So people, please, finally, stop complaining about the display.

It is perfectly fine.

Complain about crappy video 'reviews' on YouTube with settings that would make any phone look bad instead.
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
Thank you, just placed a pre-order with Handtec.co.uk. :good:
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Would you say they are a trustworthy website? Have you used them before :D?
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
Never ordered from them before, but read many positive reviews, and they are by far the cheapest retailer right now(the XZ is 729€ in Finland). :)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
They are indeed, and oh WOW! that is expensive!
[Xperia Z General] alabrand:
In the mobile market, cores don't matter nearly as much as clock speed does. You also have to take into account the amount of optimization that has been made to the chipset and in this regard, the S4 Pro stands strong. If anything, less cores should, depending on the software and the other hardware, produce less heat which allows for higher clock speeds.

TL;DR: Clock speeds matter more than the amount of cores does.
[Xperia Z General] MadManMark:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

That video comparison to the HTC butterfly pissed me off its the equivalent of turning the screen brightness up on your TV, of course its going to **** the colours up, that level of brightness is for when you're out in bright sunlight
[Xperia Z General] anh_pc:
S4 will be significantly better.

Xperia Z only competes currently with S3 and it's an old device.
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Buy S4, then find out loopholes in Stock Samsung firmware, and when you'll be tired of bloatware, you'll look for CM and you won't find a fully working one.

PS: Galaxy S3 is quad core, yes but based on ARM A9, Snapdragon S4 is based on A15, if it's same to you, get lost from here. 2GB ram vs 1GB Ram. 13mp exmor rs sensor camera, 5 inch 1080p screen, GS3 has pentile display.
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
Spec-wise yes, but build-quality is something that is seriously lacking in the Galaxy-series. Sony have also begun supporting the community to an extent not seen before, so it's going to be interesting to see where it leads. Also having a device running specs similar to the nexus flagship often means that we'll be seeing better builds of AOSP/CM roms.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I dont agree xperia z will compete with s4 for sure , 1080p screen , s4 pro , water proof ,13mp camera,(even)if not better it will give tough competition for sure....

It hasnt even released and you have declared it better :confused:

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

---------- Post added at 10:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:26 PM ----------

It comes down to same thing again , you can't tell how the phone is going to be any ways security issue has been fixed

And s4 pro is not a true A15 they both use same set of instructions but a true A15 would be better , but it is better than a9 for sure

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
[Xperia Z General] airizsyah:
forget about the OS, both running jellybean.

so.. major hardware spec..

SXZ 13mp while SGS3 are 8mp (SGS4 should be 12-13mp to level with SXZ, so SGS3 are not againts SXZ)

SXZ carrying about 441 ppi while SGS3 carrying 306 ppi (the next SGS4 should be in the same amount with SXZ, so SGS3 are not againts SXZ

SXZ powered with quad snapdragon s4 while SGS3 quad exynos, nearly the same power but yet snapdragon have an edge.(mmnnn)

SXZ 5inch 1080p display and some said SXZ attached with asahi dragontail glass, while SGS3 4.8inch with 720p display with corning gorilla glass 2 (the next SGS4 should have the same spec as SXZ, a 1080p display. so SGS3 have no chance here. as some said dragontail are 6 times harder than gorilla glass 2

SXZ packed with 2gb of ram while 1gb on SGS3, again SGS3 have no chance here (SGS4 should be 2gb of ram or maybe a wooww 4gb). so forget SGS3

i dont really think SXZ should sit right beside SGS3. SXZ are better than that.
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
There's absolutely no doubt about the fact that the S4 is going to slaughter the XZ in benchmarks(just look at the Nexus 10 benchmarks). That does not mean however that it is for everyone, as each of us has different preferences; most of us don't enjoy playing games on our phone and would rather have something made of glass than plastic. Android does not need a quad-core A15 soc with the latest gpu to run smoothly, or to provide a great experience for that matter.
[Xperia Z General] alabrand:
And the new Lenovo K900 mobile with its Intel Atom Z2580 processor clocked at 2.0Ghz will decimate anything else in terms of benchmarks..

Seriously, stop with the whole benchmark thing 'cause you won't notice a difference in real-life use unless you do heavy multi-tasking or heavy-emulating.
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
You know you are agreeing with me, right? Benchmarks don't make or break the experience.
[Xperia Z General] alabrand:
Trying to imitate somebody is different than agreeing with them.
[Xperia Z General] Gilberto_BR:
This thread dosent look like Z against all other phones, it looks like Z against SG3 and the possible SG4... How about Z vs Nexus 4, or Z vs Asus Padfone2, os Z vs Optimus G? You know? Z vs something other then SG3 and something else available right now! Because i really believe that the only feature i would miss from Z on the phones i compared is the waterproof, because the 1080p screen will draw so much from the battery that i dont even want a phone with 1080p, all those phones have the same processor, same memory and same everything but are available right now...
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Krait cores have similarities to A15, they are not full A15 like Exynos 5.
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
Wrong! Krait is A15 with qualcomm's modificatiions. You could say it's not a stock A15 processor.

Much like android

A15 = AOSP

Krait = touchwiz,sense,timescape.
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

I went to the Sony Store Paris today where the phone was presented. We could handle the device which I did for 30 minutes while most people were watching me (I was running some interesting tests/comments).

Overall, the phone felt great, while the handling wasn't perfect du to the for factor, the weight was really well adjusted, not too heavy, and it even felt lighter than what the looks would presume.

Built quality is excellent. I think the stamina mode is great for people who don't want to to set settings app by app but I'm still concerned about the battery life.

But the phone major drawback, as anyone has expected, is the TFT screen, the max brightness wasn't that bright and when you put an IPS screen next to it (I compared with my Xiaomi Mi2 which hasn't the best 720p screen out there), the colors look really washed out which is horrible, really can't put another word the describe the feeling. I launched for everyone on both devices the commercial presentation of the Xperia Z and Temple Run 2. As I stated before, the Sony Xperia Z looked horrible, darker image because of poor brightness, poor contrast and washed out colors.

Then, I launched a French news website to compare the sharpness of the screen since the Xperia Z is coming with a 441ppi density and surprisingly, the difference wasn't that noticeable. The extra density given is far away than what we get from getting WVGA screen to 720p but my screen is only 4.3".

PS: the Krait core is not as powerful as a A15 core. The A15 licence obtained by Qualcomm was hugely modified from its core because the main problem of the cortex A15, it is its power consumption which is huge. Even with bigger batteries, we won't solve that issue.

That's why Apple also wanted to tweak their A6's core called Swift.

That's also why, Samsung will be running the big.LITTLE design in order to be able to run with a A15 chip based.

That's why nVidia is struggling so much this year to find solid business partners to buy its Tegra 4 (4x A15 + companion core A15 underclock but still A15).
[Xperia Z General] sachinaik:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Hmm... that's very bad news. Sony does not do IPS even in their TVs. So they may not release an IPS screen phone next year. I can only hope they will come up with OLED phone.

Let's wait till the review comes out. Keeping my fingers crossed.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
I've got the Galaxy Note and it's said to support 32gb, I've put in a 64gb card and it worked just fine.

The amount the phone can handle is based on the OS, which is Android in both cases.

So.... I'm pretty sure that a 64GB card will work just fine. I'll test it once I've got the phone just to be sure.
[Xperia Z General] shadym1lkman:
my n900 easily accepts 64gb sdxc cards ... needs a quick format but all space is registered and available.

96gb on board in a 4yr old device ... we should have well over 256GB on board by now. esp if screens are 1080p its the least we could do. if you dont need it, it doesnt hurt you to have it. same with a15, which is what ive been waiting for ... the ZL though hits every other note esp when it comes to form factor. cant wait for the C6506. hope i can grab it ahead of MWC.
[Xperia Z General] Zouiguipopo:
xperia Z will the best ever :P Nexus 4 best price and Note 2 best power i think but xperia Z the most beautiful and powerful ! ♥
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Let's see now for each manufacturer:

Samsung: better feel in hand (I find Samsung's build quality similar to most manufacturers, but more reliant on sacrificial protection than raw toughness).

HTC: Similar build quality. I dislike Sense UI, camera may be not as good depending on things, Bootloader is ****ed and unlocked bootloader isn; t even a full unlock. Grrrr.

Motorola: Good devices. Possibly even better build, worse camera though, and completel locked. Not even an option for me. I'll be skipping the XPhone, but keep an eye on how Motorola deals with community for that phone.

LG: Same story as Motorola, but no indications of any potential change community-relations-wise

Google (included here because their software stack and design is so far from "normal" phones): Nexus 4 constantly out of stock, no MicroSD slot, only up to 16GB of storage, no LTE (not an issue for me, may be for some). Fastest Android OS updates and designed for hacking though...

Indeed. Qualcomm licensed the Cortex-A15 ISA (Instruction Set Architecture) and built Krait from that. They've made even more optimizations in IPC (Instructions per clock) for the next generation (Krait 600, 800), but it won't be that far off "pure" A15 designs like Samsung's quad-core Exynos Octa. Yes, the Exynos Octa is a quad-core as it can only use 4 cores at one: either the four A7s or the four A15s. No, this is nearly impossible to change via firmware/kernel.

For the last time, this has been repeated many times already, it is an IPS display! This display to be exact: http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2012/20121004.html

Relevant thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2108274

Even IPS displays have contrast and colour shifts. I should know, I have three on my desk at this very instant. Bigger displays with more physical space for electronics can have better view angles with less washout and colour shift, but it still has it. In the case of my U2410s, it manifests as a very slight pink to purple tint from each end respectively.

Interesting. Looks like a purely filesystem-based issue. I wonder If its possible to chuck in an ext4-formatted 128+GB card...
[Xperia Z General] Toss3:
[YOUTUBE]gco0D0Xqmlk[/YOUTUBE]

Does not look good for the Xperia Z(jump to 2:15 to see the screen comparison).
[Xperia Z General] dreamagainxi:
this phone looks good
[Xperia Z General] arcwindz:
Seems to me that the brightness for Z was set way too high, it will wash out the color automatically.

There are some videos out there that shows how good the viewing angle for XZ, it's been posted here i believe
[Xperia Z General] xxxSilverxxx:
@Toss3

Maybe all videos are fake and all 5" Full HD devices have got exactly the same display ha ha ha....
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs All Other Phones - Don't start new threads

Xperia z seems washed out but it depends.... and the brightness is higher too

Lol yes :D

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Don't see anything wrong in that vid except the Zs brightness levels are too high for the room he's in. If he were outside in direct sunlight, then those settings would've been more appropriate.

BTW, do we have any further confirmation on the screen calibration app being on final releases of the Z and ZL?
[Xperia Z General] Jebus99:
I think looking at the screen at an angle also reduces the quality of the Z display far more than the Butterfly. I think the videos show the Z's lack of viewing angles more than the quality of the display - the camera should be directly above in order to give a better comparison of the displays.
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
I had a brief play with the Xperia Z - and i have good and bad news regarding the screen. Note that it was an early test unit so take the below with a grain of salt - i was told that the final retail units will be better. End of disclaimer.

Had an iPhone 5 and Padfone 2 to compare it with. Didn't bother comparing it with my Note 2 (not a fan of SAMOLEDS). Tried lowering the brightness of all to about the same perceived level (ended up being less than half on all). The Xperia Z has a very whitely bright screen.

First the bad news: Looking at it head on, the Xperia Z does indeed have relatively washed out colors and weirdly blue greys and blacks. It's not THAT bad but it's very noticeable - For example, reds on the website "theinquirer.net" tend to look a bit dark pinkish. Comparison to the iPhone 5 and Padfone 2 only resulted in disappointment.

The good news, however, is that this completely changes when viewing images in the gallery - when the Bravia 2 enhancement kicks in. Blacks are dark, colors are crisp and deep - even the sharpness goes up a notch. It's like the color gamut expands ten-fold. Better than or on par with the iPhone 5 which is saying a lot.

So, i can only conclude that since the faults of the display can be fixed through software enhancement (Bravia 2), the screen panel itself is excellent.

I forgot to look for the display calibration settings :(. DOH.

The big question though is if the Bravia 2 enhancement can be permanently activated. Does anyone know if this is possible on previous Xperias?