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[Xperia Z General] megagodx:
LCD is aging technology, OLED is new; has time to evolve and be even greater than what it is. The current OLED displays have richer color saturation and more accurate blacks. The color garment of the OLED displays just makes images, icons, and interfaces look nicer to me.

The Xperia Z only supports microSD cards ranging up to 32 GB, while the S IV will pretty much certainly support 64 GB expansion.

The Galaxy S IV is supposed to come with a next-gen processor, that's not only more powerful, but also more energy-efficient than the generic last generation S4 Pro that we've seen in so many smartphones before the Xperia Z.

Last, but not least, the S IV will more than likely have a bigger battery, a longer battery life, and a removable battery for further extended usage. These are all sleights against the Sony Xperia Z for me. Another thing that annoys me is they have those on-screen capacitive buttons that eat up about 15% of the display itself. That's why I'm holding off on this Sony phone. It seems like an inferior S IV on all important fronts. The phone itself was a nice concept in spirit, though; I wouldn't think poorly to anyone who wanted to purchase one.
[Xperia Z General] Dsteppa:
It's been confirmed by multiple people that the Xperia Z does support 64GB so that's not an issue.

My Galaxy Note also supports 32GB according to the specs.

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[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
I totally agree. I definitely want to see the Galaxy S IV first before spending 700 $ on any phone.
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
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If it also has a sd card i would definitly

consider it..

he tries too hard everytime someone shows an interest in another phone..

I also think the same.. I even think the htcm7 might be worth looking at and might be a little better than xperia z... I m also a fan of amoleds, but since most galaxy phones arent so top notch in designs, I might have to consider the m7 too..

I even heard in a some youtube reviews that xperia z only supports upto 32 gb.. it was a clove review I think.. dont remember..

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
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Format to fat32 and external SD upto 64gbworks.How many times to tell ?
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
Dream of this with your HTC and Samsung devices ;)

Sony releases Xperia Z kernel source before worldwide device launch -XDA
[Xperia Z General] Clemenator:
Htc one x

Htc one x all the way guys.. Amazing phone
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
LCD is far from aging. If anything LCDs are getting a bit of a renewal lately with IPS making it downmarket from top-end screens to throurghly mid-range, if not budget monitors. All this R&D is also being applied to phones. In identical situations, an AMOLED panel has ****ed up colour accuracy because nobody tunes them properly. Or even put in a decent icc colour profile to get a semi-accurate colour render. Under sunlight, AMOLED panels SUCK. My Nexus S has WAY better sunlight legibility than my uncle's GNex that I borrowed for a while.

MicroSDXC is supported (but not advetised) if you can get the phone to read your filesystem of choice. (SD caps at 2GB, SDHC at 32GB and SDXC at 2TB). So if you can get your phone to read exFAT/ext*/btrfs/NTFS/HFS+/any other filesystem supporting partitions bigger than 64GiB, you're good to go.

Processor: I'll give you that, Samsung can make a FAST processor....

On the other hand, how about their software? No sources, security failures left right and center (wipe from within browser, bad emmc management, bad RAM management because they can't use the new memory management tools from ICS (according to a post earlier in this thread) and newer thanks to touchwiz, direct R/W access to RAM without needing root... the list goes on)

Now, how about build feel (note, I'm not saying build quality, Samsung use a sacrificial form of protection where the plastic chassis dents in order to keep the screen intact)? Well, if the SGS2 and 3 and the Notes are to be used as indications for Samsung's design language... Well, it'll still feel like cheap plastic crap. Samsung's very own GNex feels better due to the better finish (paint and texture) and magnesium internal chassis!

YES!!! Now THIS is what I'm talking about when I say Sony loves hackers and devs. Bring on the 4.2.2 AOSP ROMs now (it can use the same kernels as the 4.1 ROMs). Camera will likely be ****ed in the early days though :P
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Yeah lol, he's kinda lame, a true fanboy.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
HTC J Butterfly is Waterproof as well !!!

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/434442/20130213/htc-j-butterfly-xperia-z-video-specs.htm#.URsjUPJadis
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
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I think some of you guys need to think twice before posting. Remember you are in Sony xperia Z forum and not samsung or htc forum.

Some guys posts makes me wonder if samsung paid them to spend time in z forum and defend samsung. LoL.

Had quite a lot of such posters in our S forum as well last year.

I could go and piss in samsung and htc forums but I dont bother about them to waste my time there. But samsung and htc fans seem to be quite bothered about Sony and hence have left their device forums and are taking a piss here.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
It's clear again that we cannot have such threads here... to much fanboys trying to convert you lol. You cant like this phone because samsung will release a better one soon. Its like listening to iphone fans.

If you guys are so in love with you pseudo octa core cpus that even devs like Entropy said are useless, plastic cheap design etc. Its fine, we dont really care, but please dont try to force everybody to think your way in every single post. Not everyone cares about having top possible specs for few next months before another s phone comes out. im not even sure is that a brand war or specs war...

We get it, SIV will be so much better than Z, that's fine. Some will still choose Sony, and our reasons are as valid as yours.
[Xperia Z General] -]Megacharge[-:
Indeed. Tired of these same fanboys posting about non Xperia phones in the Xperia thread. Also this thread should be closed, it's mere nature sets up flame wars, and I'm not even sure why it's existed this long. X phone vs X phone is just a flame war waiting to happen.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
If you guys only want SONY fan boys here then wats the point of having such thread !!

To be Sony or any other Brand fanboy is good but but dont be BLIND fanboy.

I am very big fan of Sony and used mostly Sony devices but I am always open to other devices, Samsungs looks are not awesome (or you call it cheap, wondering how can someone sell millions of such cheap devices at higher profits).

Today Samsung is counted amongst Amazon, Apple, Google, M'Soft so there must be something good in their products !!!

Try to listen to others opinion, if you don't like it, simple Ignore as for you SONY is best !!!

The sole purpose of this thread is to convince people from other manufactures to get attracted and show interest towards Xperia Z, and many are ready to change, you guys also need to change and simply avoid replying useless posts !!
[Xperia Z General] eagleeyetom:
What is wrong with you, guys? There is no need to argue. The fact that someone is fan of Sony, Apple or Micromax doesn't change anything. This is a discussion thread so things should be

discussed

in polite and substantiative way.

Bear in mind that everyone have different needs and personal taste, so every opinion should be respected.

Thread cleaned a bit.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
I agree. This is the XZ vs everything else thread. If we don't compare, there is no point. Although recycling arguments gets a bit tiring... Good place to let off steam/waste time though :D
[Xperia Z General] schrickm5:
Exactly - we need people lurking here for balanced opinions..... I have an S3 - yes the S4 has me interested, but my suspicions are it will good Hardware, poor design/materials, crap UI, bad development support.

So I will go Sony regardless now, be it an Experia Z or whatever comes afterwards (if I can hold out that long!).
[Xperia Z General] :
You hit the nail on the head with your description of the S4. Its what it will be. Good specs, crap design and UI with crap development support from Samsung. Its why I'm going with Sony for a change this time.After all its our mistake to make if it turns out crap ;) - but im pretty confident the Z will be top notch.
[Xperia Z General] -]Megacharge[-:
I'm also going with Sony this time. I had the SGS, and SGS II and I'm severely sick of Touchwiz and Samsung's software support and phone designs. I need something new, and the Sony fits the bill for me.
[Xperia Z General] :
HTC One (M7) teaser videos are up. They are also showing their new 'one' brand in CL matches. Many 'ultrapixel' theories flying across the internet. Waiting for new Sense UI. Less than a week before announcement.

Also LG Optimus G Pro is announced.
[Xperia Z General] :
Doubt it will make me part with my Z order. I hate sense and battery life on HTC phones are garbage from the htc's I've had BUT, you never know. :cowboy:
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

[YOUTUBE]lPCUCRkv47I[/YOUTUBE]

:rolleyes:

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[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Wat kind of teaser is this !!:banghead:

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[Xperia Z General] :
HTC are on a tight budget, didn't you see there profit margins ;)
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Uhh.. Pre teaser?:D

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[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
You don't know about development n support do you? You can get Source from Google and make a whole new ROM, it's totally different from cooking ROMs based on Sony's base. I'm simply buying Nexus 4 for Paranoid Android.
[Xperia Z General] Akiainavas:
It actually confirms this recent leaked image of One/M7. Looks like Blackberry Z10. Don't really like it myself, but it is a good design though.
[Xperia Z General] schrickm5:
LG Optimus G Pro - isn't this phone only going to be available in Korea/Japan?

Nice phone, a bit big for my taste though. Again another company starting to make better phones, LG haven't a good reputation for updates, not sure what they are like with development community support, I wasn't plagued with problems on my LG 2X like many people so my experience is not too tainted......but the design of the Experia Z just keeps winning me over any other phone either out now or coming out soon (M7, G Pro....).
[Xperia Z General] :
It's a teaser for the upcoming teaser!
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
LG would've been a contender if it wasn't for the fatal combination of a horrible UI + a fully locked down, unlockable bootloader.

I'd have been all over the Optimus G with CM10 if it wasn't for the encrypted bootloader. I find it to be a beautiful device.

I've heard hackers have have made some headway here but with the 1080p phones coming out it was a bit too late.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Listen to this guy.... Youre actually one of the leading fanboys of this thread. Whats happening here is that we have an XZ vs all other phone thread, everyone that comes here is interested in the XZ but you guys are trying so hard to call it the best phone in the would while bashing other phones, thats where we put you guys back in reality. Fact is you dont own this forum and anybody can come here and post, as long as theire not being offensive and disrespectful. But i wonder when this Sony fanboyism all started. Dont worry, once the M7 and galaxy S 4 thread is created, many wont be here anymore. Enjoy

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I dont know if the galaxy s 4 will be much better than the XZ, that remains to be seen but youre right, some will prefer Sony, others Samsung. But the rest of your post that i didnt quote was nonsense.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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fanboy isn't the right word,

not every fanboy is ....

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[Xperia Z General] :
HTC is also pumping up their campaign:

http://ow.ly/i/1w1oP

https://twitter.com/HTCSouthAfrica/status/301707404620468224

http://www.htc.com/us/
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
SINGAPORE: Expansys taking taking pre-orders for Xperia Z, priced at SGD 899

http://www.expansys.com.sg/sony-xperia-z-black-241241/
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
^

I don't want to argue anymore, but if we go by your logic why not just name this thread - Z vs All other phones, talk about Z cons and pros of all other phones. Hurray !!!

Is that discussion ? To talk about negative points of a phone and only positive sides of other phones ? If you think so then have fun.

I won't be posting anymore here and have deleted my previous posts.

I'll come back after I and others get their Z. So we finally have a clean forum and discuss the issues with the Z rather than some super smart guys who talk trash about Z and sweet talk other brands.

And yea at least I am not a PATHETIC fanboy like a few here to go on other forums and sing praises for Sony and bash Samsung/HTC/LG/whatever. I do it only in Sony forums, not HTC or Samsung forum.

Good bye !!
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

^ It is just a discussion some people will discuss good points and some contradict it.

Edit: that post was thanked by mistake

Feb 19th is release date right?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
blah blah blah blah blah blah.... take care,
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Leapfrogging much? :P
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
No, Feb 19th unveiling, release date to be announced at the event i would presume.
[Xperia Z General] :
The Z beats the S4 due to not being plastic.

The Z beats the HTC One due to not being a HTC.

The Z beats everything because its the Z.

Thought this was what we all agreed on?
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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Ok ..
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Lol :D Sarcasm level = over 9000
[Xperia Z General] :
Thought id bring some peace to this as people are taking it way to seriously. Can't wait to get my Z though :)
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
Yes, good job! Z is really nice smartphone, it'll have a relatively high development then previous Xperia phones. Gokhanmoral will probably be buying it (one of the best kernel devs around), So will codeworkx n entropy. FXP obviously will.
[Xperia Z General] djq:
HTC is smart revealing all the details of their phone before the Z hits most markets....because specs wise it should just edge out the Z in a few categories so it might get a few people who were planning on buying the Z to wait for the launch date of the HTC
[Xperia Z General] :
I am wondering what will Sony do after they run out of all 26 alphabets?

xperia ZA !
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

How about Xperia Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta ;)

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[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
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Looks like that !:D

:D
[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
I don't expect anyone to choose HTC smartphones over Sony Xperia Z unless they pack a better chipset. I've used HTC's flagships and i on one hand liked Sense UI but hated their customer support, at least in my country.
[Xperia Z General] :
But then again specs these days aint much different. All do the same thing, Android is now smooth, easy to use, great HD screens, plenty of ram and space. Its the camera department from now on where the fight will lie. Same with iOS, its the software that needs to progress more than specs now. Android, iOS, WP7, BB10, its all about the software and the camera tech for this year.
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
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Agreed but for an average battery life.

Do not quote stamina mode, I can't use my gmail and exchange accounts as a good old POP!

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Are, in 2013, Sony and Google the only dev friendly manufacturers, where to flash full AOSP roms?
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
No your not, you can get paranoid android even on the galaxy s2, cut the crap?
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Htc m7 should have snapdragon s600 which would be better than s4 pro

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[Xperia Z General] AayushDhuria:
And try using that as daily driver. You'll cry your eyes out. Don't judge me just by my thanks meter. I have enough knowledge to know how fkd up PA on S2 is. My friend is S3 PA maintainer and he's frustrated. Poor audio (yamaha chip isn't that bad), Sucky camera, visual artifacts and bugs, or memory leak that'll lead to random reboots, i can list 10 more things.

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Doesn't really matter unless it's something mind blowing. Smoothness will remain same :)
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
s600 aint that much of a leap..just incremental..more like overclocked.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Qualcomm said new adreno 320(s600'gpu) would perform 3x of adreno 225 ,looking at benchs they were right.

It scores 10fps more in glbenchmark,compared to adreno 320 in s4 pro,also it supports higher bandwidth compared to s4 pro which could be crucial for high resolution displays like these,And it should throttle less too looking at the thermal headroom they are leaving,again cpu frequency would higher .

It even performs better than Mali t604 gpu in nexus 10 and takes second place after iPad 4 in glbench.

It does have some advantages though ,but it is yet to be seen how much difference they would make in real world

I won't say overclocked ,if it was an overclocked s4 pro then the performance would had been worse due to throttling and battery would be even worse.

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[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Indeed. Even the model number confirms that (S4Pro = APQ8064, Snapdragon 600 = APQ8064T). The performance gains are coming from the faster RAM (800MHz vs 533MHz) and a slightly faster clockspeed. Nothing that can't be solved by a little overclocking. I myself am looking forward to cranking up the RAM speed. CPU speed not so much...
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
thought gsm arena listed the z with andreno 320.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That's what's inside of it :)
[Xperia Z General] edyboy:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Gsmarena had it's preview. Now i'm really decided to skip this phone. I almost like everything except for what it matters most to me. Hoping htc one or sgs4 will have better display.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Sony Xperia Z

:

General: Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE, tri/penta-band UMTS/HSPA, optional 100 Mbps LTE

Form factor: Touchscreen bar phone

Dimensions: 139 x 71 x 7.9 mm, 146 g

Display: 5" 16M-color 1080p (1080 x 1920 pixels) capacitive touchscreen TFT with Sony Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2

CPU: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait

GPU: Adreno 320

Chipset: Qualcomm APQ8064

RAM: 2GB

OS: Android 4.1 Jelly Bean

Memory: 16GB storage, microSD card slot

Camera: 13 megapixel auto-focus camera with face detection; Full HD (1080p) video recording at 30fps with HDR, LED flash, 2.2MP front-facing camera

Connectivity: Wi-Fi a/b/g/n, Wi-Fi hotspot, Bluetooth 4.0, standard microUSB port with MHL and USB host, GPS receiver with A-GPS, 3.5mm audio jack, NFC

Misc: IP57 certified - dust-sealed and water proof up to 1 meter and 30 minutes; Shatter proof and scratch-resistant glass for the front and the back panel

This is accurate info???
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

That is not the same adreno 320 used in s600 ,they are different might be due to different clocks or something else.

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[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Sigh.... People and reading...

EDIT/Addition: You can also point to newer drivers as well on the S600 devices, something we should see pushed down in a FW update. For example, Nvidia desktop chips recently got a 35% boost on FarCry3 just from a new driver. Yes. 35%. Hardware is only part of the story when dealing with hardware acceleration with today's extremely complex chips and driver stacks.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Finally Samsung itself made it clear that Exynos 5 "octa" cannot use all 8 cores simultaneously but only 4 cores depending on type of workload. For demanding tasks CortexA15 cluster is used and for battery saving Cortex A7 cluster is used.

Watch this video

The Cortex A7 cluster and A15 cluster work discretely and depending upon the workload, the OS would either use the A7 cluster (for less demanding tasks) or the A15 cluster (for high demand tasks). This is similar to the way the NVIDIA Tegra 3 and 4 perform, with their 4+1 configuration.
[Xperia Z General] :
Nothing to get excited over then.
[Xperia Z General] :
If you would have seen full video properly. This is NOT Samsung demo, but a demo from ARM about big-LITTLE. It's a test chip with 2x A15 and 3x A7 and it doesn't even have a GPU. This video has absolutely nothing to do with Exynos eventhough the title says so!

http://www.arm.com/files/downloads/big.LITTLE_Final.pdf (big.LITTLE MP Use Model -- page 7).

Since a big.LITTLE system containing Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7 is fully coherent through CCI-400 another logical use-model is to allow

both Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7 to be powered on and simultaneously executing code

. This is termed big.LITTLE MP, which is essentially Heterogeneous MultiProcessing. Note that in this use model Cortex-A15 only needs to be powered on and simultaneously executing next to Cortex-A7 if there are threads that need that level of processing performance. If not, only Cortex-A7 needs to be powered on. big.LITTLE MP is compelling because it enables threads to be executed on the processing resource that is most appropriate.

And nvidia's implementation is not same as big-LITTLE. nvidia's companion core is just another A15 clocked lower at around 500-700Mhz. It's not a

small

core like A7 used in big-LITTLE.
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
As I said earlier (and supported by AnandTech's Podcast), the tech (big.LITTLE) supports it, but with no kernel drivers, it simply cannot be done. And Samsung by the looks of it have no plans to write said driver...
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
It's posted by Samsung semiconductors Youtube channel and you say its not Samsung demo ? It basically explains what big-LITTLE is all about and how it functions. All 8 cores don't work together. End of story
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
It's not a Samsung video, but it's been posted by Samsung to explain how the Octa works, so it can be treated as official Samsung info.
[Xperia Z General] :
We all know where it's posted. But we also know that you haven't seen the video. If you have have seen the video, you won't make such stupid noises. He (Dietmar Eggemann -- dietmar.eggemann@arm.com) clearly says that he works for ARM's processor software development dept.

Just check the documentation on ARM website about big.LITTLE before you shout it the forums.