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[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Nice thanks for that in advance. I pre ordered and tbh i think i will be sticking with this. The screen looks amazing and who cares about viewing angles? People that do are obviously the ones that like to show off etc, as when you use the phone you are 99.9% facing it head on. As for the contrast issue a slightly bad contrast isn't the end of the world. If you could, make sure you get som black images. That is probably the best way to test the contrast, if you can get a black image on screen with some text to show and the screen is Black as the border of the screen then it is all good for me.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Well I will be looking forward to hearing what you think of it... I'm pretty nick picky too!

The One X is crap you say... I thought it's pretty decent, far better than my S3 was and my Note 2.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
http://translate.google.com/transla...tal-baka.at.webry.info/201302/article_14.html

Review of Japanese model, looking good
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
I will definitely testing it out, i am very thorough with viewing angles, washing out, colours, blacks, dull or yellow or greeny whites, etc, so expect a full review, definitely going there, i will check out the contrast,

after a long think even if viewing angles do turn out to be crap, who cares, i could do with privacy, but contract i definitely want to check out, xiFIL on the forum works for vodafone, they are testing the device out and preloading carier firmware, they have a live unit for it, according to him the screen looks just like the docomo models, very good viewing angles, deep blacks, i will check it out,

Also check out the black differences between these images

The middle two pics are demo units, first and last pics are live units from DOCOMO JAPAN, DEFINITELY DIFFERENT
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
has it been confirmed whether if the final retail version has screen setting options to change color, brightness, contrast etc like the earlier report?
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

No but I assume they will be retail devices to try and get people to buy
[Xperia Z General] Super Chimp:
Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Be interested to hear feedback on the screen as well as it's the one area that keeps being picked up as a weakness in the previews I have read.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Just been speaking to a friend who has access to a final DEV unit, device is only for testing, the device screen looks like post 1 first video, has deep blacks, screen washes out slightly when viewing at extreme angles such as 170-180 degrees degrees etc, otherwise very good, also the screen does look slightly washed out indoors on full brightness but brilliant outdoors on full brightness, Screen looks Fantastic at 70% brightness indoors

will try and get some pictures and videos tomorrow of his device too!:D

More vidoes of Docomo versions below

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[Xperia Z General] xchasa:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MlxybC3iIE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Xperia Z General] smartbaby:
Good

How it work?
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

You press record then take out under water
[Xperia Z General] Tomatoes8:
The screen is most likely fine. Just that the clear black film or whatever screen protector Sony glues on from factory is what screws the viewing angles. It could also be the dragon tail glass. Gorilla might be less reflective. I know Sony uses Gorilla glass for their HX series TVs to improve viewing angles and reflectivity.
[Xperia Z General] kyogiro:
It's really not about the screen protector, some (the one I got my hands on at least) got really ugly screens with low contrast and washed out colors. I don't know if they put different screen to make sure to produce enough XZ for the launch date or if it's only a software problem (Bravia Engine not kicking in).
[Xperia Z General] Vebansen:
It does - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37874227&postcount=136

xiFIL works for Vodaphone (I think) in the UK, and (according to him/her) their branch have the final units as they need to add and test their own Vodaphone-related stuff on the device to be ready for their launch.
[Xperia Z General] Super Chimp:
Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

It seems odd if they are using less good screens in the devices sent out for review as surely they must realise this will cause negative publicity about it in this respect?
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
I feel like the "different screens" is an excuse by Sony defenders here.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

That's pretty impressive, not sure if I would like to try it on mine when I get it though :cool:
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Fact not fiction
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
well the CES demo units where hand assembled so the air layer was still there I think there where some other differences. I'm not sure if the panel was a different panel dough. Anyway I don't think there is any real proof that gsmarena did get a CES like demo unit, but than again there is not proof that they didn't :).

There is a Japanese review that says that the screen is at least as good as the iphone5, that there are differences in how it looks but that it comes down to personal taste. So best is to check the phone out your self. There are lots of people that like S-AMOLED although it scores very badly in color reproduction. So in the end of the day it's about personal preferences.

None of the reviews say the quality of the screen is so bad you should not buy the phone, all reviews give the phone a very positive review most say it's the best on the market.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
Will need to get it hands kn to decide about the screen..not very confident rite now.
[Xperia Z General] Al Gore:
Developers aren't stupid. Every prototype/beta of a software/hardware ALWAYS comes with a lot of warnings like "this is not the final version", "Screen quality is a subject to change" etc. Sony would certainly warn everyone that their preprododuction units had a worse screen.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Just been into 2 phones 4 u stores. They have no knowledge of receiving devices early for preview til launch date
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
cool what did you think?
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
On my way now. Will report back shortly.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
I'm not really sure, but I think the CES models where black all around, now the sides seems to be dark blue. If that is so it should be easy to know if it is a demo or a final unit. Also I think the earlier pictures had a small metal line in the middle of the sides. just looked at sonymobile.com and the product shots there still look like the sides are black and have a metal rim thingy.

edit:

I just looked at sonymobile.co.jp and the photos there have blue sides no metal rim
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
To those wondering, this is why we still have hope - look at the black levels on this docomo retail unit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvtQLVZl_hc&feature=youtu.be&t=58s

Fingers crossed.
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Damn my local phones4u dont have one on show.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Same here.I went into two sites in Manchester, they don't have it. Idiots told Mr to come back after two weeks
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Dude look at video one in post one
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
3 stores have them on display, i have tried one and i know a couple of others have posted elsewhere that they have tried it in 3UK stores.
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
Just looking at the last few video clips, posted by Viper, that are final production units, you can clearly see in the benchmark video clips that the xperia z is washed out next to the HTC butterfly; whilst also the subsequent video showing the camera under water, if you read the comments on the youtube clip, the guy who made the video says it's a great phone except for the screen that is washed out.

That kind of concludes this thread, it's just a shame that the original post is misleading and a lie, as it states the screen is exceptional when it clearly isn't.

It's a great shame as this phone has the best build quality and camera and design compared to its rivals the HTC M7 and galaxy S4 due out very soon, but is spoilt by a sub par screen that's poorer than screens from phones a few years old. I'm gutted really, as this would have been the first premium looking android phone. Looks like Ill have to make a choice between the HTC M7 or Samsung Galaxy S4 instead. :(
[Xperia Z General] Kurowsk1:
It's so confusing with a lot of the reviews saying the screen is fantastic.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
anybody knows anything about the different designs?
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen PHENOMENAL with good viewing angles! [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Post one amended. I'm not going to make any further comments till I see the live handset myself in person.
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
It's a great screen in that it's the first 1080p 440ppi phone out in Europe, so it's great. But next to its competitors released within weeks it won't be.

What ill do is just wait till the 28th,go down to my local store and play with a non demo unit, and compare the screen to my nexus 4 (which is very washed out and rubbish compared to htc one x), and if the xperia screen is better than the nexus with deeper blacks and is less washed out I'll probably get it. And then maybe sell it when the m7/s4 come out if they're a significant step up in screen quality.

As someone who has a phone that has a washed out screen (nexus4) there really is nothing worse s the screen is what takes up 95% of the phone, and is the part you interact with wholly. It's awful when I sit next to my partner who I sold my old htc one x too, and everything he dies in his phone just looks better.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Yes but via a firmware update, most likely the 4.2 update that will be coming soon!
[Xperia Z General] ck.chunkeat:
I'll just hold off everything and wait till at least m7 or s4 comes out and I'll compare between them. If the xperia z is still better or almost equal to those other ones,I'll look at the real xperia z to judge for myself whether the screen is okay for me or not,not gona trust the reviews too much..
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
I want the braviaengine ON at all times..i dont care care about the S4 then and neither he reviewws!
[Xperia Z General] Droidyou:
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-z-review-50010121/

According to them, only the viewing angels aren't the best. Which I'm perfectly fine with, because who looks at his phone from the side...

The rest of the screen they say is awesome.
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
That is correct!
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
Actually everyone users their phones at varying angles all the time due to it being a device you hold. If you've ever used a phone with poor viewing angles the screen washes out as you're holding it in your hand with slight movements, it's pretty annoying.

It's rare anyone holds the phone screen directly linear to their eyes. Right now as I'm typing this on my phone it's at a slight angle to enable optimum typing, it's also continuously changingaangle as my wrist moves and intermittently tires.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
according to the reviews the viewing angles are better than XT so that should not be a problem. At least not for me as I don't have this problem with my arc s I have to tilt it to a degree that does not make sense and never happens in normal use before the screen gets noticeably washed out en yellowish.

if the screen would be that bad no reviewer would give it such high score and all reviews did. It is just that it is not as good as compared to the competition. To me it's like not wanting a supper care because there are supper cars that go 20 m/ph faster even though the rest of the car is perfect (*).

* borrowed metaphor form R89SONY :)
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
Here is yet another review where they don't like the screen too much:

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z-vs-Apple-iPhone-5_id3250

"However, when it comes to pure image quality, we actually find the iPhone to be superior. The displays of both phones are almost equally bright (the iPhone 5 has just a slight advantage there), but the Xperia Z's screen has a significantly lower contrast, and slightly less saturated colors, making it appear a bit washed out and not as vibrant as the iPhone 5's. Sure, the Xperia Z features the Mobile BRAVIA 2 engine, but that enhancement simply makes up for the difference between the two phones when you're viewing photos or watching video in the gallery. Do not expect it to blow the iPhone 5 out of the water.

In addition, the Xperia Z's viewing angles are quite poor – the overall image quality tends to degrade quickly as you start tilting the phone. Of course, some quality degradation is also visible with the iPhone 5, but to a much smaller extent."

Looks like the phone that I had hands on with wasn't the only one.... I will go back to the store tonight and take a couple of pictures for you guys. I will try and change the launcher to Nova and get some blacks on the screen
[Xperia Z General] dragon632:
Maybe, bad viewing angle will avoid your screen be watched by others who is standing beside you.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
But its not at slight angles..like the reviews have saud near about 160-180 deg.. Which is quite fine imo.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
I really do not get this viewing angle obsession even with phones that had great 'viewing angles' I never look at my phone screen from the side. Always from infront, so the phone can have the first viewing angle in the world for me I couldnt care less.
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
As promised I went to the Sony Center again today and took a short video in which I try to show you the screen. I tried to concentrate on the viewing angles, and color reproduction. I changed the brightness a couple of times during the test.

Here is a link to the video:

http://youtu.be/DoNQcM8T4c8

If you liked the video, please click on the thanks meter. Cheers.
[Xperia Z General] :
It looks great, thanks for this mate.
[Xperia Z General] taxas:
That is good in my eyes, so i dont know what PA is talking about. Also thanks mate!! :D
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
Can't see much wrong with that screen in my opinion.

plenty good enough for my everyday use. Just the M7 that might throw a spanner in the works on Tuesday......No interest at all in any of the Samsung devices, so it just boils down to HTC's new release, but at the moment my pre order is firmly staying with the Xperia.:cool:
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon90:
The blacks look outstanding, and the viewing angels have improved if I compare it to my xperia acro s screen which btw is one of the best screens I have seen.

So yeah, definitely buying one soon, thanks for the video :good:
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
Thanks Shem

With nova launcher, why is the navigation bar still grey rather than black, I thought it altered the whole thing
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Display looks good to me. I'm a happy chappie again.
[Xperia Z General] stefanve:
thank you

man that look horrible :)

I think I'm going to be a very happy camper with the Z
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The 'navigation' and notification bars are part of the system. They're like this on all Sony's running Jelly Bean.
[Xperia Z General] maverick1103:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Thanks for this, I hope this has shown some people that reviews aren't everything!
[Xperia Z General] XDA mark:
Thank you! This video really comes close to "seeing the screen in reality". Very nice. Viewing angles don't look THAT bad.

Nova Launcher could never alter the navigation bar. To do that you will probably need to root your device and flash a custom ROM/zip that changes the Nav Bar colour.

"Actually everyone users their phones at varying angles all the time due to it being a device you hold. If you've ever used a phone with poor viewing angles the screen washes out as you're holding it in your hand with slight movements, it's pretty annoying.

It's rare anyone holds the phone screen directly linear to their eyes. Right now as I'm typing this on my phone it's at a slight angle to enable optimum typing, it's also continuously changingaangle as my wrist moves and intermittently tires."

Also true. A tiny bit of bad viewing angles is ok, but to much will really be disturbing! You can't perfectly hold the device in front of you all the time. And it's not that you can't see/read when the screen looks washed out, but it's more the "idea" of seeing a washed out screen on your PREMIUM phone. All the phones of last year had outstanding viewing angles (One X), so it's just weird that a 2013 premium flagship should not have this.
[Xperia Z General] m00moo:
Brilliant work shem2409!

I think the OP should remove all videos n keep this one n only video on the front page with the date clearly marked. Should keep a few people quiet and also satisfy most people.
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
Shem, could you tell us if you noticed any slight washing out when the phone was being held and used in normal operation (no matter how slight) ,or did you only see a washed out appearance when testing extreme viewing angles

Also, would you say the screen overall is better than the previous phones you have used, and what phones were they? I ask because a lot of people's opinions of a phone display will be based on what they had before
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The display really isn't washed out, it's very natural. It's no overblown Samsung but it's not washed out in any way and one of the most crisp and clear displays I've ever seen.
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Also Shem, did you take a look at whites at all and if so were whites nice and bright, or did they have a slightly yellowish look to them?

Cheers
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
The colors on the screen looked washed out when viewed next to my gf's Xperia S. For some reason the colors weren't as bright and the contrast as good. I personally own a Samsung Galaxy Nexus at the moment, so I didn't wanna compare the screen to an oversaturated AMOLED. I did look at my gf Xperia S and a Sony Xperia Go that was being presented right next to the Xperia Z and thought that the colors looked better. You could probably read in my previous posts that I was unimpressed.

When I spent some more time in store today though I decided that I still want the phone. It is just beautiful. The screen might not be 100% perfect, but when you view videos with BE2 and take pictures it is very pretty indeed.

I do think that the Bravia Engine 2 makes a difference and the photos looked much better than the launcher itself.
[Xperia Z General] paulrgod:
OK Guys - i've just had 15 minutes hands on time with this beauty in a 3 store and trust me - the concerns about the screen are just utter BS.

I read about this beast a couple of weeks ago and then saw the pre-order bonus with the headphones so went straight to a 3 store to inquire - they had one on hand to have a go with and it impressed me then - i went ahead and pre-ordered it after a just a few minutes.

Now the past few days i've been sifting through reviews and then this thread all afternoon and was wondering if my excitement at the time got the better of me and got a little worried as some of you seem to be afterall the display is to me one of the most important features... so i went again to a 3 store to get a bit more hands on time....

I currently own an S3 and i actually quite like the AMOLED over saturation but the deep blacks are really what i love. Good news - the blacks on the Xperia Z are almost as good - and i'd say pretty amazing for an LCD - admittedly this was in a bright store - so may not be quite as impressive in a dark room - but to me the blacks seemed to blend into the Black glass amazingly well...

Now to the colours - the screen is vivid and looks amazing, the Bravia engine definitely makes a difference while viewing Photo's / Videos. There are some really high res image files installed on the Store models (hope it comes with them!) and the detail is just amazing. Even on the launcher i didn't think it appeared to be washed out at all, i tried several of the in built themes and all seemed fine to me. The Application Drawer does have a transparent Grey background which does appear to make the screen look washed out while it's open.

I had a poke around the settings and couldn't find any sort of screen calibration settings - maybe the device wasn't on the latest Firmware version.

It's Fast, Sleek and if you haven't seen this thing in the flesh - i urge you to go and see it - i had to wipe the drool off it before handing it back!

The 28th can't come quick enough!
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [VIDEOS UPDATED 14/02]

Definitely. And I will give recognition.
[Xperia Z General] shem2409:
Thank You
[Xperia Z General] mark99uk:
It's a shame to hear that. I guess for some the slight washed out under saturated screen (like that of my nexus 4 as well) may be ok to live with when weighing up the pros and cons. The only way people will know if it's acceptable to them is to demo one in store first.

I think for me ill demo it in store and see how it compares to the nexus 4 screen. The htc m7 is debuted in a few days, so by the 28th I'll know what I want to do

Thanks for giving us your feedback on the phone is much appreciated
[Xperia Z General] Kurowsk1:
The phone has deep blacks in the spanish engadget video posted in the review thread.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
post 1 updated!
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
You got a good point, M7 is a good contender, Frankly after having 6 HTC Devices i have to say they are getting worse and worse, Sensation suffered deathgrip and really bad viewing angles as well as two different display panels, one had good saturation while the other was sharp with dull whites,

Then the OnE X had yellow spots and wifi dropouts as well as screen flickering and overheating or heating issues, laggy even with custom rom.

I STILL Get flickering everytime i plug my charger in, so I do not think i will go for another HTC, do not trust their build quality and new sense reminds me of windows :( Sadly HTC have made mistakes and too many flagships.

I have a feeling they might come out with HTC ONE + or M7+ later on in the year

and they willl never give us S OFF

after seeing shems video i think i will liek the XZ and keep it!
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
any new rumor of M7 having a micro sdcard support? I think it was suppose to be using 32 gigs flash as a min but a sdcard slot is much more important for me.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
some say it has some say it hasn't we will find out on Tuesday i guess, i think it may not have! as the butterfly was 16gn with microsd, this is 32 gb like the one x
[Xperia Z General] craftycarper1:
All a waiting game at the moment, i have seen rumours of a 32/64gb version, also a version with SD support.......we'll find out on Tuesday.:eek:
[Xperia Z General] dibdin:
Looking at Shem's video again, the screen appears to show deep blacks.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Re: Xperia Z IPS Screen discussion [LOOKS PROMISING [VIDEO UPDATED 15/02]

Exactly what xiFIL told me. It has deep black on their dev unit