yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xperia Z General] :
I really think you have no idea about A15 SoC.

A15 by itself is not a viable solution for phones because of power efficiency, TDP, batterylife. A Octa core big-LITTLE will not be more powerful than a pure quad A15, but it will be much more efficient in terms of battery life. Peak TDP in Exynos dual is around 8W. This is not a viable solution for phones. Take it for granted that if A15 is used in phones, it will be with low powered A7 or a companion core like nvidia.

BTW, there will be no more Exynos with T604. PowerVR 544MP3 confirmed on Octa. Another leak says Mali-T658 in different Exynos SoC meant for tablets/netbook.
[Xperia Z General] knightrazor:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

We will never be able to coup with the hardware as technology is so advance. But I do hope that each manufacturer stick to 1 flagship per year. So that they can concentrate more in R&D.

This time I'll be choosing SONY for their vast support towards the devs. I read that some very big names devs are jumping ships to SONY. :thumbup::D
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

HTC m7 confirmed specs for AT&T

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

As expected no sd and small battery (like the z).

Full hd 4.7 is brilliant.

Let's hope for Motorola X Phone then........
[Xperia Z General] :
Z underwater film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MlxybC3iIE

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No SD and small battery for that chip. The battery will die pretty quick. HTC fail again, they just dont get it do they.
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

My wish list:

HTC's display

MicroSD

Battery bigger than 3000, maybe 3500?

Good cpu, but don't care if its the best

Waterproof

Exchangeable battery
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exchangeable battery and waterproof? :|...
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Shouldn't be impossible. Proper gasket and we should be there. :) Hey just a wish ;)
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

3500 is enough, no need for exchangeable.
[Xperia Z General] Sckank:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Talk for yourself ;)
[Xperia Z General] xiFIL:
Exactly, 3500 is mental, but some people like exchangeable to take out if it dies and replace with something else!
[Xperia Z General] Jubei1:
Not sure where you got this info from but its false. Firstly APQ8064 is only supported up to 1,7 GHz by Qualcomm (you can check their website) so there wont be any 1,9 GHz APQ8064 parts, secondly Qualcomm is discontinuing APQ8064 in favour of S600

And the sampling for S600 was last year so i dont know how you think prototype is overclocked APQ8064.

And APQ8064T is the same Krait core as APQ8064, it just has small improvements and faster ram support. So why should it have new boardname, its S800 that is using the new Krait 400 cores
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I am very keen to see HTC M7 Camera - http://m.global.christianpost.com/news/htc-m7-camera-add-on-teaser-image-leaked--90222/

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
Who wants to buy XZ when tomorrow there'll be unvieled Optimus GPro ? Nobody
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
Ppl that don't want LG phones

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HTC display? Isn't it just JDI display, which ever that is the best all around. Nothing can stop Sony from choosing their screen from JDI, since the are part of it.
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

The ultimate HTC One/M7 rumor roundup
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
Totally LG G Pro, it has everything mentioned in it. And LG's display in long waaaaay better than HTC's, more crisp, more vivid, more contrast

No, HTC got Sharp's displays, latest DNA AFAIK got Sharp's matrix similar to the one in Sharp SH930W
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

The 5 inches LG Optimus G Pro is perfect, but for encrypted bootloader and because it will be launched with an unoptimized Gingerbread!
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
Yeah, funny :laugh:
[Xperia Z General] MadManMark:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Man I'm sick and tired of reading essays here about the s4's processor, anyone else?
[Xperia Z General] :
Try something better next time. These sort of lines may sound funny at your parties, here you sound like a troll.

And BTW, Optimus G Pro screen is 5.5 inch, not 5 inch.

It runs same outdated 4.1 Android that XZ is running currently. Both companies are guilty of not releasing their devices on latest version of Android. It has an updated Qualcomm s600 compared to S4 Pro in XZ and has a 34% bigger battery compared to XZ.

Both have their pros/cons. Not too bad compared to XZ, eh?
[Xperia Z General] omersak:
He has a point about the encrypted bootloader though. If it wasn't so hard to get rid of LG's horrible (IMO) UI i'd have snapped up the original Optimus G a long time ago. I thought it was a beautiful device and really wanted it to be the next HTC Desire/GS1 interchangeable Nexus twin. Alas.
[Xperia Z General] ethan3686:
that 34% extra battery is also for a 5.5 in display..not 5"
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

This guy is great, considering all phones and picking what's best for him, not following one brand/manufacturer. I'm with you!
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
I was really considering the M7 but Sense 5 is a dealbreaker for me, and defeated the whole object of the Sense UI offering a unique eyecandy experience, If this is the real sense 5, my younger sister who is 11 could draw better icons, see below
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

We have two days to find out what its all about, I think we should wait and see before judgment.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
i know still waiting but honestly, if it does look like that, its a dealbreaker, i think it just looks like windows 8 and a step back from what sense 4.5 looked like, it may have more features and innovation, but first they got rid of the 3D sense that the sensation had, i loved that, then they got rid of the eye candy. :( i used to love HTC big time
[Xperia Z General] abdel12345:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I'm currently using a xperia play which I love because the game pad but hardware is outdated so I would like to switch it within a couple months though I think I'll stick with Sony because of their development support

rom: extreme ics betav3

kernel: turbo v3
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I hear you, but those things were slowing things down back then. Hopefully HTC can bring it back now since the new phones can handle pretty much anything. I'm excited to see what the M7 is gonna be like. I already love the design.
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
Granted they were laggy but still something i enjoyed very much, UNIQUE they were, its what made HTC, HTC
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Has to consider all man, SGD 900+ is not a small amount :)

If HTC's Camera will beat XZ n it has premium looks, my bet will be on HTC.

sent from neXus4
[Xperia Z General] IceKreem:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

If you like Touchwiz then go with Samsung but if your like me and like to put custom Roms etc go for the other two. Samsung are always slow to release source codes and are often outdated. Sony has already released the source codes for the Xperia z. I'm going for Sony myself but the nexus 4 would of been my second choice as it is straight from Google. AOSP ftw!. The question is do we really need 8 cores in a smartphone? ;)
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

No but does it hurt to have them when they are power efficient? That's the question :p
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
No we dont, why dont we make a phone

put a 6 inch WVGA LED screen in it,

2 x 512mb ram

16 core 150 MHz processor

2 notification LEDS, 5 memory card slots

then label it Samsung, lmao

watch how everyone would hype up about it!

I highly doubt for atleast 2 years we will fully utilize 8 cores on a phone,

and it is just propoganda marketing, 4 slow cores to save power moving onto 4 fast cores for performance

just like Tegra 3's 4+1
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

So itsa bad thing that Samsung put 2x 4 cores?? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] xl VipeR lx:
not necessarily, but people need to realise 4 cores are seperate to the other 4,

the first four cores do normal jobs at lower clock speeds, but when you need more power, they shut down and the 4 higher cores take over, not sure if this does make them efficient having to constantly shut and switch cores, but that is why they are doing it, but it is wrong to assume you could use 8 cores all at once, under current conditions you would just overheat your phone with 8 cores on together,
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Yeah ppl do need to realize that. There's no such thing as a single set of 8 cores. But I don't understand the negativity around the Exynos 5 octa. Quad cores, although not necessary, are the technology manufacturers are using now. Samsung used the ARM architecture to put a quad core A15 processor, but knowing that those cores are powerful, they paired it with an extra set of 4 cores, A7, all based on the ARM big LITTLE architecture to give the best performance while saving power. 4 A7 cores can easily handle simple tasks and when you need more power, its switches to the A15. I forgot the exact time but the switch between the cores is so fast and seemless, its really great. Will it be bad if the Xperia Z had that SoC?
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Not if you replace those exynos with krait !

The reason why everyone is hyped up is because some are under the delusion that all 8 may be able to run at the same time. Frankly, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I think by now ppl know that not all 8 cores are running at the same time, I certainly hope so. Krait is a great SoC, no complains, I cannot wait for the snapdragon 800, its gonna be a force to be reckoned with. Still to stay on Exynos, I think it'll be a better implementation than what nvidia tried with the tegra 3, that SoC with the companion core was supposed to be super power efficient, turns out if performed the worse out of the 3 ( krait, Exynos and tegra).
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Agreed, although there are a few in the galaxy note forums who absolutely refuse to believe that.

I've got no problems against exynos, its very good, however the only issue I raise is source code, which is important for me.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

You have a point. What is it that they refuse to believe?
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

That all 8 cores will not run at the same time.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Oh OK. Well they're wrong. Who needs that anyways, that's just silly.
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

'Crazy performance for 5 minutes! Yay! ' kind of guys. And bragging rights. Money no issue, which phone would you be buying?
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

LMAO I know right. I'm saving my money for the Galaxy S IV. Honestly, and im just speaking for myself, I like touchwiz a lot (I used to hate it on the first galaxy s but it grew on me). My last touchwiz experience was the note 2 and it was a fantastic one. I know Samsung will add new features to it, its probably gonna have a very fast and fluid interface with a nice size battery/removable with expandable storage. I would love them to ditch the plastic (or do a great polycarbonate like in the One X), but if its plastic again I may still consider it. I know the codes for Exynos will probably not see the light of day but honestly it isn't a deal breaker for me, plus I'm gonna keep my nexus 4 as a secondary phone so I'll be covered! What are you going with?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The problem with the A15 right now is that it uses too much power to be used efficiently in a smartphone. When Samsung uses a quadcore A15 it'll have to either throttle down or switch to the A7's after a few minutes under heavy load (during games for example). The A7 then again will perform quite a bit less good.

I'm more a fan of an allround efficient SoC that clocks down nicely and can stay under load for longer periods (like the Snapdragons). ARM's reference designs for CPU's are good, but Qualcomm always manages to squeeze out that extra efficiency and performance. Especially for the Dalvik VM and Java code. Benchmarks have shown that Qualcomm's CPUs are much faster in dealing with Java than ARM's reference designs.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Youre absolutely right, the custom design of snapdragon makes it stand out. As far as the A15, right now all we can do is speculate until we see it in real world usage ( I'm talking about the big LITTLE), obviously the nexus 10 uses the A15 Samsung SoC but isnt paired with an A7 because it needs more power to power that high resolution screen.

Qualcomm has always done a great job with their SoC, even back with the snapdragon s2 and s3.
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Better soc?.^lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abf7nPiUUE8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Check this out for throttling..

And seriously I m tired of hearing all the rant about why do we need a15 or that powerful cpus in a phone..

Well look around you..

Why do we care about a400 plus ppi screen when all the eye can needs is 300 ..

Why do we care about 13 plus pixels when a camera with the same pixels can do much better?..

Why do we care about large screens when a 4.3 screen can do it all..?

Its because people want the best phone out there.. be it cpus, gpus, screen , camera or whatever..

Rant over

And btw we dont even know how samsung is going to implement the octa core and how it would switch and throttle... I know the s4 chip does it..and its bad..

If you want to know which phone I would go for?.well I have no idea.. xperia z or htc one or s4. I m gonna wait....

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Are you responding to a voice that was in your head? Who said we didnt want/need 400 ppi, 13 mpx, bigger screens?
[Xperia Z General] Chillz88:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

.. I didnt say we didnt need them....I think I put it wrong... I said when everyone wants more ppis..more mpx.. and more specs.. I dont see why anyone would complain about having more cpu power..I m a guy who always want more.. and hence I wait.

Maybe I should edit my previous post from ' why do we need' to ' why do we care'..:screwy:

Edit: previous post edited

Tapatalkedddd...!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

Most probably the Xperia Z or if the rumors are true, the 6.4" phablet.

I own the original note, and it isn't anywhere near the end of it's life cycle so I might stick with it until the end of the year. Frankly, the note 2 was a disappointment to me. Less resolution, just 2 more cores didn't warrant an upgrade. Plus in India there's no carrier subsidy, so we pay full price.
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I tried the note 2, I honestly think that its the best phone ever made. Its a great combo of power, battery life, big screen and features. That's my favorite phone and I've had most of the best recent smartphones.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

+1 to that, I am also using Note 2 and its the best android phone till now.

sent from Giant Killer Galaxy Note 2
[Xperia Z General] barondebxl:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

I'm not using it now, rocking a nexus phone but the note 2 is currently the best phone EVER!!
[Xperia Z General] melo_mx:
S4 is beyond impressive, i'd consider it, even though i have an S3 lol
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

You're saying that without even knowing its specs?
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

LG announces Optimus G pro in North America , first phone with snapdragon s600 soc.

HANDS ON

Further details

sent from an Galaxy s3 GT I9300

Running perseus kernel 6 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build

:D xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784401

Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
[Xperia Z General] i9100g user:
Re: [OFFICIAL]Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4(Mar15) & All Upcoming Phones-Don't start new thre

..
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
It's not THAT horrible as you state, it's pretty much usable and waaaaay better than dark stock UI in stock Android
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
I can see the pixel grid in a 330ppi phone. I can really appreciate 400+. Although I think the density race should stop around 600ppi. IMO that's where its becomes completely indistinguishable.

Camera? I think things will slow down even further now (remember the Samsung i8510 or the SE C905 with their 8MP camera back in 2008? or the N8 with its 12MP part in 2010?). The Megapixel wars are truly over now, with lenses, sensitivity, noise and framerate front and centre. Even the Nokia 808's 41MP defaults to ~8MP for obvious reasons.

4.3" flagships? YES PLEASE! In 1080p tyvm! I'd really appreciate a smaller, lighter phone myself with all the goodies of the current 5" monsters. Oh, and ~10-14mm thick to put in a decent battery as well. the GNex feels a little too thin to me. Pretty, but ergonomics are ****ed when phones get too thin.

Samsung Exynos 5410 "Octa" has been discussed extensively in this thread. So far, indications point to Samsung not making the necessary driver for full 8-core heterogeneous multiprocessing and using a "simple" hot-plug arrangement with the A7s "disconnected" when the A15s are triggered.

The S4 Pro in the Nexus 4 throttles because of the N4's poor thermal design, not because of the chip itself, as evidenced by the Oppo find 5 and Xperia Z reviews at gsmarena.

As for choosing the best phone, my logic is fairly simple:

Samsung is horrible at giving dev support (no buildable sources, undocumented patches never making it to kernel source drops, no clean bootloader unlocking mechanism, poor drivers all round...), so no Samsungs for me unless its a Nexus.

HTC is just slow at dev support in terms of releasing sources (if my days with the One X were anything to go by), but otherwise fairly decent with the unlockable bootloader... My One X put me off HTC (and my attempts to start devving for it) quite badly by making it a massive PITA to swap kernels....

LG and Moto: locked and encrypted bootloader... nothx.

This essentially leaves only the Sony and Google devices as viable alternative: both give timely source drops, good bootloader unlocking support, good drivers. The fact that the N4 throttles like mad doesn't bother me too much, but with the Z/ZL hardware being just so much better, my contract finishing in April (very low ETF at this point), it simply makes much more sense to grab a ZL (or Z if I can't get a ZL.. the flaps would drive me insane).

I much prefer stock Android Holo UI over anything else.... Sure, some tweaks are missing (T9 dialing, better motification toggles, themes and whatnot) in barebones AOSP, but its as good a base as I could possibly want...
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
Simply. You can take 13mpix snapshot, autocorrect brightness,balance & whatnot, "subsample" it to 5/8Mpix and viola you will get much better photo than any 5Mpix/8Mpix sensor will deliver. Try it yourself. You can argue that camera should better autocorrect that stuff by itself and I agree.

But any guy with photoshop will get much better result

Cause 5,5" is much more comfortable
[Xperia Z General] vittogn:
When I wrote my post Korean (and possibly International) G Pro was not announced yet (see the surprise of S600 instead of S4). Then there are still rumor it could come in Europe with a 5 inch version.

A part from the Gingerbread piece (italian sense of humor??), I was pointing out I really like it but for encrypted non un-lockable boot loader.........that id much worse that lack of dev support we are experiencing from Samsung.

Having said that, I wouldn't call me a troll..........
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Not really... Can't use the phone one-handed anymore... If you want comfort go all out and get a 7"+ tablet.... They're really not that much more expensive than phones, and you get better battery life display quality and faster processors. Google knows what they're doing in capping their phones at 4.7".
[Xperia Z General] Billy Madison:
But what you do one-handed with your phone? It's probably offtopic here, but what? Are you gaming on your Exynos 4412 one-handed? You can't type SMS on 5,5" one-handed?Why? It's as easy as on every 4" phone cause keyboard is @ bottom o'screen and not on top. Same with phoning/dialing/talking
[Xperia Z General] ZeDestructor:
Everything phone related. I use Swype-like entry for keyboards, and that only works one-handed. No gaming on my phone either. Well, nothing serious.. I have a PC for that... More annoying is having to "walk" my phone in my hand in order to easily reach the notification or UI elements like channel switcher in IRC clients. At 4.7" with on-screen buttons its just fine. Barely. I'm expecting 5" to be a bit more annoying, but even then, I want some smaller flagship phones.. Fact is, anything at 4.0-4.3" are thoroughly mid-range :/