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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] betoNL:
By the way, how you know it's exactly the same thing?

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] betoNL:
How you got them? How did you order?

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
I actually bought the aforementioned pair in person when on a trip to Hong Kong, since the Futian District is very close from there. I've bought them online before though, and I can say that it's better to buy in person.

Their online store is on AliExpress, called 'Wecome Technology'. You'll need to make an AliExpress account, then contact Ms. Angel Wu from the store, and ask for a Beats Headphone Catalog. They also sell other headphones like Bose QC15, B&W P5 and some Skullcandy sets. If you're interested in those, ask for a 'Hotsell headphone catalog'.

There are a few grades of copy headphones; in every case, aim to buy the higher quality/more expensive one. I bought a cheaper silver Monster Beats Studio before, and the colors were very inaccurate. The silver version shouldn't have red at all anywhere on the headphone.

Anyway, the combined cost of one (Studio) headphone should be $60-70 USD including EMS shipping costs. The Mixr and Solos are cheaper, at around $40-$50 total.

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I'd like to know too. I doubt it's going to be exactly the same thing, since there are countless factories making these headphones. The Syllables might have darker gray matte-plastic components, or the ear cup can slide side to side (not fixed in the center). I think that if the manufacturer isn't going to put the real logo on, then quality/accuracy might not be the best.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Are you referring to how long my purchase will take to arrive? Its coming to US from China, and since I review products for these guys, they usually send it to me using complimentary EMS service which is fast. But they also have a free shipping option (at least to US) which probably takes a few weeks just like any other typical ebay purchase.

But for sure I'm looking forward to review this pair of cans.

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Just from all the pictures on dx site comparing to the one posted in this thread. I will know for sure once I have it; will do a more up close comparison and might even take a cap off to see the circuit underneath.

Beats really put a pressure on all SH retailers for selling knock off stuff. I have received and reviewed before Beats headphone knock off (from case-parts.com/tvc-mall.com), those were identical to the real thing. Now, they can't sell these on-line because of legal actions ;) So, I assume they all changed the name to "Syllable" and just modified "b" in there to a funky looking "s" which from a distance looks the same. But you can see its an exact looking headphones: http://dx.com/s/syllable . This version has battery for active noise cancellation (just like 2012 version of beats), while the latest 2013 Beats are rechargeable, btw.

The question now, how does it sound... The look is nothing without a sound.

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As I mentioned in my previous post, Beats lawyer are all over the on-line places that sell and ship to US knock offs of their products. I assume that's what triggered "Syllable" change (http://dx.com/s/syllable). Again, it's also my assumption these will be identical to the one in your picture because of the price. DX has some of the cheapest prices, down to ebay level, so if they price cans for $60 - its gotta be quality. So, once I'm going to receive those, I will do a very careful examination and pictures using your post as a reference to determine if all the details are the same. Sounds like you done a great study and have an extensive experience with those knock offs. Wow, and you got so many of those already? Do you have real Beats as well? Were you comparing it to real beats? You mentioned sound quality was better, so again I assume you have real $300 Beats and can do a/b comparison. Awhile back I received one of the beat earbud knock offs, back when case-parts.com use to carry it: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=38727543&postcount=14&nocache=1&z=815327974430631 - I wasn't impressed with a sound, but everybody said that's exactly how real beats sound. At the same time, I also ordered and compared Otterbox Defender from them, and next to the real one - it was identical. I guess you can replicate physical parts, and maybe do reverse engineering on a circuit, but the drivers itself? wouldn't that be tough to match?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
I own or have owned three pairs of Beats; a black Beats Studio that I got from Harvey Norman about 18 months ago in Australia - back then they were $499 AUD. The price since then has rapidly dropped to $399, then $369, $299 and now $249. I also have a pair of Executives bought from the Apple Store close to its release date, and owned a pair of Beats Pro Detox before selling it because it was too heavy and clamped my head like a vice.

The Beats Executive broke at the headband hinge, and is now in pieces. The circuit board seems to be more or less the same as the Studio's, but has three screw holes instead of two. It is also mounted upside down.

As for the speaker driver, I'd say the speakers are nearly identical after closer inspection. The only difference is the color of the paper that covers the holes on the back of the driver (and coverage on the bottom left hole) . The driver and microphone itself (paper aside) are identical, all down to the magnet dome curvature, red permanent marker mark in the same location and the gap size where the speaker coil joins up with the +/- contacts.

Fun fact: the speaker driver of all Beats models are actually identical to each other. For example, the Solo HD drivers are interchangeable with those of the Detox.

The only difference is probably the paper behind the driver and the dual-speaker design of the Solo HDs (the circuit is a highpass/lowpass filter that sends highs to the tweeter that sits inside the apex of the speaker cage as seen in the above image).

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It's like I'm revealing all of Beats' trade secrets here...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Neah, you are revealing that these headphones cost probably $40 to manufacture (considering HK shops have a very small profit margin since they sell in quantity), and Dr Dre and Co. have $250-$350 markup to pocket money with a brilliant brainwashing campaign. I had someone at my work just mentioning that his 14 year old wants to buy $300 beats, and he doesn't what to tell him. So, I sent him link to Syllable. He is waiting for me to review it. Beside carbon copy design, from a distance even that "s" label looks like "b". I told him it will be safe for his kid to wear it on a street; if he gets jumped - they will see he has a fake ones.

I'm happy to hear the sound quality is on par. Really can't wait to get these and test is out. I will not have a comparison reference, unless I go to a local Best Buy, but will judge it based on my own ears and every other headphone I listened to before.

Thanks m8 for all your insights, comparison, and circuit details - really appreciate that!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
That's the thing though - Beats is all about brand and image. Your colleague's son, being a 14 year-old, will probably not settle for the Syllables due to the fear of being branded by his peers as a cheapo or a wannabe or something like that.

Oh yes and about being jumped; people who can differentiate the Syllables from Beats are not the type of people who jump other people. But the people who would jump someone for their Beats probably won't be able to tell at first glance, resulting in being jumped for having Syllables. All it takes is a mistaken view from a distance, then a swift snatch by the headband straight off the head while running past from behind.

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Anyway back on topic. I also recommend the JVC HA-S500 and the Audio Technica ATH-M30. And also the replica Bose OE2i from that AliExpress store. The carry case for the OE2i is about the size of 10 CDs stacked on top of one another. The replicas reproduce around 75% of the real thing's sound quality/clarity, and 95% of the material quality. (tested at a Bose outlet store)

JVC HA-S500 (€40-€45)

Audio Technica ATH-M30 (if you're lucky, about €50)

Bose OE2i (replicas - about €40)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
But AliExpress stores don't accept PayPal, at least the ones I have dealt with before. It always makes me anxious to give them my credit card number.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
Yes, that's true. But AliExpress is one of the more trustworthy sites because it is a subsidiary of Alibaba, one of the largest wholesale internet trade websites in the world. If a seller is being dishonest, you can open a dispute or report them. It can affect other potential costumer's view of the seller, and they don't want that.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] parusia:
I deal with AliExpress for years and have not a single problem with abuse with my credit card. Very satisfied customer here. And because your review of the beats studio replicas I ordered 2 just about 2 hours ago, thank you for your input on these replicas.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
That's great! Which two colors did you get? You know they have some cool colors like 'black and yellow' and Colorware Mirror as well. I have yet to buy them, and I'm waiting for the release of the new Beats Studio replicas.

Please share your experiences with us when you receive the headphones!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] parusia:
Red with black, and pure black. And yes I will share how they are working once I receive them. Again thank you for your suggestion.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
Nice choice, the two trademark colors red and black.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
Oh yes I forgot to mention that the Duracells are an optional purchase that you need to request. They're like $2 USD on top and you have to ask them to include it, or else the headphones don't come with any batteries by default. It shouldn't be much of a problem if you're buying it for yourself.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] planetbeen:
I've been following this thread and I have a sort if related question.

I too am a little hesitant to use my credit card for these purchases which is why I haven't gotten any of these great deals.. Here's my question. .

What about a pre paid credit card? Any reason I couldn't use one of those? I could pick one up and load it up and use it just for this. It's an extra step but I wouldn't mind of it gives me peace of mind.

So, can you guys think of any reason someone couldn't use one?

Sent From My Ginormous Note 2
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
I think it should be fine, since prepaid credit cards work everywhere that a normal card does.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] artofwar:
I wonder when will they start making replicas of the 2013/updated version Beats Studio
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] BratPAQ:
Have you guys tried Superlux headphones? It's a cheap alternative to audio technica and AKG.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002GHIPYI/ref=pd_aw_sims_3?pi=SY115

For earphones, you won't go wrong with Soundmagic, check out their bang for the buck PL11, you would find it hard to look for another one at the same price with better sound.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0044X6T5E

I suggest you see their reviews at head-fi.org to see how audiophiles rave about them.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/597603/soundmagic-pl11-review
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
There will be some around before Christmas this year.

The Superlux seems like a cheaper (lookalike?) alternative to the AKG K240's. From reviews, it seems that it is excellent bang for buck and accurately reproduces audio, but falls a bit behind in terms of build quality. They remind me of the AKG K701's as well.

Anyway I found a picture of the replica vs. real speaker drivers:
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
[MENTION=4397261]vantt1[/MENTION]: Got my Syllables today. Looks authentic "beats", very high quality built just like you described with yours ;) I will do more testing in the next few days and will take pictures and make a review writeup. But one thing I see an issue with is that red audio only 3.5mm cable works perfectly, but a black one with in-line remote turns the volume off on my Note 2. I mean, you plug it in with a volume set at some level on Note 2, and as soon as I start playing the music - I get a message on a phone warning to turn the volume down because it could be damaging to my ears, and I see volume sliders goes down to 0?!? That is totally bizzare. I override it by raising volume up, it stays up for a few seconds, and slides back down. I tried it with my office mate iPhone and volume is OK. Btw, that in-line remote doesn't have volume control, only mic on one side and flexible panel/button on the other side; the shape of this in-line remote is just a small rectangle box. I have other beat knock off earbuds and their in-line remote had volume up/down and it was nicely rounded off. How does yours look? Can you use it OK with Note 2? I wonder if the one which came with my set of Syllable headphones is specific iPhone one where I did confirm it didn't affect volume on that phone, and single click stop/pause/pickup/hangup and double/triple click skip next/prev tracks. Also, while making phone calls other person heard noise crackle coming from microphone rubbing against my shirt.

Either way, this is not a show stopper for me since I was looking more into sound quality of these rather then phone controls. So far with their included controls, it's only iphone compatible (which is kind of strange because all other headphones I tested designed for iphone worked ok with Note 2). Also, active noise reduction sounds the same as everybody else complaining about original Beats where you just get a white noise hiss, and not much of the actual reduction. But the main big points of very high quality built and very good sound quality (with a very power low end) - that is very impressive so far!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
Hi [MENTION=3996566]vectron[/MENTION], yes my black in-line remote cable is like a black box with a single button in the middle. All it does is playpause music on the Note 2 as well as accept and decline phone calls, but on an iPod or iPhone it has triple click functions as well. It doesn't affect the volume of either an iOS device or and Android. Phone calls are also reasonably clear, but has cable noise if it knocks around so I hold the controller while making calls.

I suspect that your cable has some kind of permanent resistor reading (possibly 461 ohms) between the mic and ground pole (poles 1 and 2 in diagram below), causing the volume to automatically decrease.

The black box mic:

This is the newer type of inline controller cable that comes with non-Monster made Beats headphones. It also comes with volume buttons that only work on iPhone and have no effect in Android (like I have mentioned in other threads that I think you have participated in):

We can't wait for your pictures and IC analysis!

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One more thing - since Beats are mostly branding, how is the branding on the Syllables? I'm particularly interested in the headband, the stainless steel brackets on either side of the headband cushion and carry case. Does it use a Syllable equivalent, or is it just blank?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
Here's my custom Sony MDR-zx300. It has the stock Samsung Galaxy S4 cable with fully Note 2 compatible in-line controls. They're definitely cheaper than 50 Euros.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Do you think it will be possible to adapt Samsung control with "beats" cable that has in-line control? I mean, if you take Samsung headphones (I have a few fake ones) - you already have 3.5mm connector and in-line control, but that control is on a split channel. For "beats" you need to combine it back into 3.5mm connection going to earphone, and I'm not sure if you ever tried to do that? Since I definitely can't get to work my Syllable control (everything works except volume automatically goes down to 0), I will take it apart anyway to see resistors inside and/or maybe re-use it's 3.5mm connector/cable to splice with Samsung cable, but since I never looked into that before I'm not sure how they handling splitting/combing back L/R channels.

Btw, thanks for PM. I will definitely check it out!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vantt1:
It should be possible, but I have dismissed the idea because it isn't practical for a Y-cable to be used as a straight cable. The left cable would either go on top or under the controller, which means it will either cover the microphone or the buttons. Installing the controller into one of those Beats cables with volume controls won't work either, because of the different button orientation. I've tried looking into putting resistors into the existing buttons, but the buttons are far too small to fit any.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] kryz70fr:
i don't see the Audio Technica ATH-M30 replica on the website
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Benjamin150:
Alright, so when I try to take pictures or screenshots, it says it's unable to do so because I'm out of storage or something? I have 1.5gigs of internal left, and 28gigs of external.

Any help/suggestions? Never had this before.

I am running Beans 6, by the way

Edit - figured it out :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] 1dirtypanda:
You had it set to ext sd card in the camera right? Once you change it to internal memory in the camera app it should work and then store it on the ext sd card right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] j9k:
I'm having problems with a few sd cards on the stock verizon. My phone has been rebooting on it's own and the only thing that's fixed it so far was swapping the sd card out the first time and formatting it the second time.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Benjamin150:
I tried that, but even then it still wouldn't work. Downloading from browsers and all, didn't work either.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shooter237:
Hey guys, this is my first thread and I was wondering if it is possible to put an animation for screen rotation android gingerbread 2.3.6 stock rom from samsung, thank you, I await response, if any places like it please put a tutorial
[HTC EVO 3D] MrWinNT62:
Hi there, about late December 2012, I got a System Update from HTC on my rooted Evo V ICS. I tried to update a few times with TEAMWIN, but I keep getting this error:

E:Bad boot message
"TIME"
Finding update package...
E:unknown volume for path [SDCARD:Download/OTA_Shooter_ICS_35_S_Sprint_WWE_VM_1.14.652.0-1.13.652.2_release_291083f0wrax77ry0w073p.zip]
E:Can't mount SDCARD:Download/OTA_Shooter_ICS_35_S_Sprint_WWE_VM_1.14.652.0-1.13.652.2_release_291083f0wrax77ry0w073p.zip
Installation Aborted.

Is there a fix for this, and what is this update about?

Thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
It sounds like you are rooted and S-ON. If you are S-OFF this OTA installation procedure would be a little different.

You can't install the OTA with a custom recovery like TWRP installed. It also patches the stock ROM so it's best to relock your bootloader and flash the RUU if you want to get apply OTA updates, then htcdev unlock, flash a custom recovery and root again.

The OTA update includes firmware that fixes connection and texting problems, and patches to the stock ROM.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] MrWinNT62:
Thanks for the response.

I'm guessing I can use this thread for assistance, or is there a better alternative?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1889438

Also, once I've rooted back after all this, do I have to go through these steps again for any future OTA Update?
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Yes, you can use that thread through Step2 is you don't care about S-OFF, but that would make things a lot easier for you in the future. When you are S-OFF you can flash the RUU and do the OTA without unlocking the bootloader, then flash a custom hboot and recovery and you are back to where you want to be.

Make sure to download and install the OTA between Step1 and Step2 since once you flash a custom recovery it will not install properly.

ramjet73
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eliaskammas:
Hello everyone...I have a TMOUS HD2 and i noticed a problem resently...every timeIi connect my device to my laptop via HSPL 2.08 and try to flash any customRUU or task29 or anything that requires HSPL, my laptop won't find the device...my phone shows connection (serial changes to USB when I insert the cable) but laptop won't find it...any other usb function works properly (charging, mass storage e.t.c) Also it worked fine a couple of weeks ago...nothing changed on my laptop since then...When I go to device manager shows my phone and says that drivers are fine...Am I doing anything wrong? I really apretiate any help since I love my HD2 and don't want to mess it up! (also no money for new device :P)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] samsamuel:
try a different usb port. each port loads the drivers individually, so sometimes a port can get corrupted, but the one right next door works fine. I find this sometimes happens when i'm waking the device just at the moment the pc is detecting the usb plugged in.

Also, you know task29 is rarely needed, right? if you;re just using android roms, theres only very rarely an occasion where you need to use bootloader. (I ask because i know there are people that still follow the full proceewdure of hspl, task29, magldr, partition, flash, without realising theres no need)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eliaskammas:
Trying a different usb port was the first thing i tried! no port will work.! Yes i do know that task29(i probably done it just once or two times since i got the device) is not needed but i thought it would be a breath of fresh air for hd2 with all the trouble we put it through!

thank you for replying!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Marvlesz:
If everything is working fine, why bother?

Or you mean you can't flash anything?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eliaskammas:
The second one..I can't flash anything!

I will try to change any settings on laptop (don't have anything in mind) to see if anything happens...

if anything pops in you guys head...even the most crazy idea please post.!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Marvlesz:
Uninstall ActivSync, reboot and then reinstall. Then see if the problem still exists.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eliaskammas:
Ok thats another problem that I had..I remember that the first time I connected my laptop with phone and automatically found drivers...Then automatically tried to download and install activsyng, but it showed up an error and never installed it...For now am ok since I used a friends PC to do what I need to do on the phone(as soon as i pluged the device found drivers and istalled activsync)...I will try to uninstall the drivers and try to install it manually...It should be easy to find the drivers right? I will see how it goes and post if you like...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] colakiller:
AW: Problem with connection to pc via HSPL

Hey try To instal the Windows mobile device center

Its work for me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eliaskammas:
Thank you all for your replies... Unfortunately my problem was not solved, and this is very wired...I am not an expert but i know my ways around windows...It should have been fixed by everything you guys said and everything i tried but problem still remains...Anyway I'll find a way to fix it...Again thank you all for your replies...