yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] cronot:
Hmm. I thought RaymanFX said at some point that he would update OpenSEMC one last time before the kernel sources would be released, which then follows that updates would resume after the kernel is released. I don't recall him saying that OpenSEMC would be updated one last time and abandoned, which it seems is what you're implying. I do recall him saying that EOS would get priority on development over OpenSEMC though, but that doesn't matter ([semi-sarcasm]that's still better than the current situation with FXP[/semi-sarcasm]), as long as updates trickle down at some point.

If OpenSEMC really turns out to be abandoned, then I'd be deeply disappointed, not to say also confused: My understanding was that part of the reason that OpenSEMC was started out was as a counter point to FXP, as a more open project, active and more interactive towards users, and at least for me that was the main reason I've switched to it (I couldn't care less about it being Android 4.2 vs. 4.1). If OpenSEMC is done, then what was the point of this exercise? That would mean that us users who prefer CM over an underdog ROM will just have to suck up to FXP again. :(

I'm not bashing EOS btw, it looks like it's pretty good, but for now I'd just rather stick to what's proven and that has a greater mindshare and more heads looking (and coding) to. Call me old-fashioned.

Why? It's all Android! I can't see it getting substantially better (in any definition of the word) than CM or any other ROM for that matter - the argument could be made that EOS, as an OS in general, is already as good as CM; choosing one over the other is really just a matter of preference.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] fabidesca:
Is there another link to download the beta 3 because the one in the main post does not work
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
Dude chill.. Let's not start an argument over this..

And all this started cause of a little bit of sarcasm *facepalm*

I never said it would be abandoned, I meant to say that it would probably be put on hold for a while or something.

. I'm guessing RaymanFX will devote most of his time to EOS.

That greater mind share is the CyanogenMod team. Then there's OpenSEMC which gets their work to our Xperia S & SL.

CM will keep updating , but if RaymanFX (who seems to be doing the most work in the team) devotes time to EOS, those CM goodies won't hit us until he (RaymanFX) works with the new sources.

When I compared, I meant better in the sense of active development, bug fixes & possibly newer features.

When you say it's all Android. I'd argue with Linux distros. They're all Linux.

But Damn Small Linux & Ubuntu would work quite differently, given the same system resources. Well, they're both Linux. So, your argument about both being Android doesn't hold much water.

Well, we have our own views (which seem to vary greatly). I'm guessing we can go on with this for a long time.

But let's not argue like kids about it, eh?

If I'm wrong, I accept my mistake, and apologise where necessary..
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] cronot:
That's fine, I didn't mean to argue over this, I just wanted to clear things up because I thought you might have had some insider information I didn't.

Fair enough then. You didn't say it would be abandoned explicitly, but one could read that when you said "... will get one final update".

Yes, this much RaymanFX has said explicitly. Again, I don't mind, as long as OpenSEMC isn't left completely to rot.

As for the rest of your post, I agree with most of what you said, and where I don't, I'll just agree that we disagree :) It's not a meaningful discussion to have in this thread anyway.

Cheers!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] tania247260:
Hello everyone!Opensemc rom is the most daily use able rom and it is very good rom and good for battery life.It should not be stooped.It must be continuing in future
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] tania247260:
I installed EOS rom on my xperia s but I Did not feel good with EOS Rom.I feel better comfortable with beta 3 opensemc.So again beta 3 opensemc
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] hashtask:
I installed the eos 16 a couple of days back. It has couple of the same issues experienced with the OPENSEMC (I hope it will be fixed in both roms).

- Random YouTube crashes

- Data disconnections

Things I like about eos 16 are:

- On screen Softkeys

- Gallery app loads thumbnails better

- Notification bar modification

Things I like about opensemc:

- Trebuchet launcher. It doesn't work with eos. The launcher on eos is not that customizable

- Customizable tiles in quick settings panel. I prefer only two sound settings in the tile

- There is overclocking (although eos seems to work the same as the overclocked opensemc)

- Apollo and cLock are not there (I installed it from the xda thread)

I'm going to stick with eos because of the nightly support. It just takes a little getting used to and personally the pros outweigh the cons.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] 18lama:
Does Nova launcher work fine? I am using it on fxp cm10, have been for a while and looking to upgrade to eos.

Oh and thanks for the cLock related info, I loved that widget while I used beta 2 of this rom for a brief time.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] hashtask:
I tried Nova launcher on the first day of EOS install. It worked fine but I uninstalled it because I prefer the simplicity of the stock launcher.

cLock works as intended in EOS as well.

One more point I forgot to mention about EOS is that the lockscreen pattern lock security settings are not editable. Meaning, I preferred the pattern points to be hidden but that feature is not available.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
- Go install another launcher, then.. The beauty of android is you can make it 'yours' ;) Also, trebuchet is a CyanogenMod launcher

- Probably something cm added

- Overclocking is coming to EOS soon. The team isn't wasting time on a kernel that won't be used after a while..

-Apollo , cLock are CyanogenMod specific things.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] hashtask:
None of these are deal breakers honestly. As far as the overclocking goes, EOS works as fast as the overclocked OPENSEMC so you don't need it.

Using EOS as a daily driver. I'm sure new features and fixes are in the works because of the nightly status it has :D
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
Yeah, none are deal breakers cause we have alternatives to just about everything :)

I've always liked UCCW instead of cLock..

Here's a screenshot of the clock widget I made
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] tania247260:
I always use Nova launcher(purchased) Its very good.No problem
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] andremporto:
About camera configuration. With openSenc my pics quality decreses a lot.

So my question is... Is there any especific configuration on Camera app that I can use to make better pics? And can I install the stock camera app on OpenSemc by some mods or everything else?

See ya guys

Enviado de meu LT26i usando o Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] someone755:
[MENTION=5022578]Great_Geek[/MENTION]

That widget is awesome, but damn, I never came close to making a simple clock widget. What you did there is just 30th century compared to mine. xD

[MENTION=4659332]andremporto[/MENTION]

Really, that hapens? Can you describe it a little more, I'd like to see what kind of issue you're dealing with.

The pics I made were always normal, the same quality as FXP's CM10 or 9, no issues whatsoever...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
I can share it with you, if you like :)

andremporto probably came here from stock, so there's the bravia engine that he's lost, as well as Sony's camera app tweaking colours sometimes ;)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] catacas:
Start Bug

I've installed the Beta 3 some mkinutes ago, and the Phone stays in the start screen.

What can I do, that it will work?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
Did you clean install ?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] rolex0815:
I'm very interested how/if OpenSEMC will be continued.

Latest CM upstream doesn't compile any longer, but RaymanFX has already mentioned that.

So I just made a kernel update (still 3.0 of course) and grabbed the baseband from the .211.

WIFI has definitely improved!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] catacas:
yes

Partly, I cleaned everything except of the external mamory, because then I would delete

the Cyanogenmod.zip too.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] tania247260:
Switched off by pressing volume up button and at the same time press power button.Then switched it on again
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] RaymanFX:
OpenSEMC will be continued. But only after I finally get the 3.4 kernel to work, it's wasted time otherwise.

And I am testing the 3.4 stuff with EOS, so EOS will be worked on first and more intensively.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
Hmm. Did you make sure that you cleaned the cache & dalvik after installing?

And check that the CyanogenMod zip file is not corrupt or not properly downloaded...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] catacas:
Yes!

before the instalation I wipe every thing except of the External Data, and after the

installation I wiped the cache and dalvic cache.

But It stays again in the Boot screen
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] karbon11:
Can you enter recovery now? If yes then will you see something as "error: cannot mount /system" or ".../cache" etc? If yes again then some partitions in your phone are screwed. Flash the kernel in opensemc rom first using fastboot commands and then do the usual flash procedure.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] yzlnew:
could you tell us how to do it?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] rolex0815:
Search the thread, it has be done here and someone already explained it here too.

In short: replace all the files under

/system/etc/firmware

.

I'll try to upload my build later.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] suprano:
Re: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

Whatever you do, don't lower the brightness all the way down. Your screen won't light up.happened to me and had to boot into recovery to restore my old nandroid backup. Great Rom though which I can use as a daily, except to be cautious when decreasing brightness level.

Root It & Boot It!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] unease:
This is a brilliant fix mate.. Thanks for Sharing....
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] elias234:
please any body : i would like to switch users in the lock screen while i still have smart phone screen density , because changing lcd density to 192 does the glitch but i want to stay on a smartphone ui

a mod like in this one : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2116432
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] dclark16:
Thanks very much mate. I have no idea why i didnt think about that! It appears to work (ive not set any files or tried media yet) but at least it turns on :)

Thanks again :D
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Nostix:
AW: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

Hi guys,

I'm working on a little tool for flashing the Firmware for those who can flash roms in CWM but not with fastboot :)

I'm uploading tomorrow.

Who could test it?

...sent from my awesome Galaxy Note...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] darkerm:
is it possible to get BRAVIA ENGINE, xLoud, Cybershot Camera MOD to work in CM 4.2 with this?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Apology11:
AW: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

Be and xloud are the only possible, but first we need a stable rom.

Xperia S Tapatalk
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] darkerm:
OH! BTW is there any 4.1 CM has xLoud and BE and is it stable for Gaming?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] yUlekk:
No, no and yes.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Nostix:
Here's the first release of my announced "Flashtool" for Fastboot-Roms

http://d-h.st/ezU
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] RaymanFX:
I will not implement any of these. Ever. This is pure CM10.1, nothing added on, all bloatware stays out.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] hellshinoda:
sorry but I aren't used to this kind of flashing rom. I usually flash on CWM. 1st post doesn't include any install instruction. Anyone can show me way to flash this room? Thank you so much!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Nostix:
AW: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

Use my Tool

It openes a cmd consol and flashes the Rom.

To see how the progress goes, just click on the opened cmd window. :)

...sent from my awesome Galaxy Note...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] hellshinoda:
Thank so much man! You made my day! :good:
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] siddharthisback:
bug status any1??

Can any1 post the benchmarks, battery life, Bugss??
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] nhnt11:
Lazy much? Read thread. Benchmarks are kind of redundant for an alpha quality ROM.

---------- Post added at 06:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:56 PM ----------

Okay, update on the data connection issue I had. I replaced init.semc.rc with one that Rayman recently committed here. This still gave me a reboot but with a different stack trace in the log - now it seemed to be caused by the gps module. agps seemed to be causing the fatal error, with gps.msm8660.so in the stack trace. As a quick trial fix I simply renamed it to gps.msm8660.so.bak and rebooted and now have working data. I can live without gps (rarely use it) but maybe Rayman would like to take a look? Unfortunately I have tests and don't have time to do it properly, this dirty fix will have to do - I really needed my data connection back :P
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Nostix:
AW: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

No problem man :)

Happy i could help you :thumbup:

...sent from my awesome Galaxy Note...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] precardo:
Re: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

Hi guys I want to try out this rom since Rayman says it's pure no bloatware:) is the Bluetooth working or not yet???
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] -Harsh-:
Re: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

There is a fix for bluetooth some pages back.. Check it out..
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] precardo:
Re: [ROM][WiP][4.2.1] CM-10.1 | OpenSEMC - 0.1 RELEASED

Sorry but I dont find it:(
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] 18lama:
That means a lot. Thank you for giving us a proper update.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] catacas:
I'll test that after the weekend, because at the weekend I'm not at home.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] tania247260:
Thank you man.

Opensemc cm10.1 is one of the best customs battery friendly rom that I use always than any others customs rom.It should be updating

I like your beta2 kernel fix and I am using it with beta 3 rom and battery life is very good.Medium uses 45 hours and more uses more than 30 hours
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] naeem123:
Apart from 1080p and FM radio does everything work? like i saw one comment about Hardware Acceleration, is that fixed and included? I'm just making sure before i flash anything, also is Unlocked Bootloader required? And does 3G work I'm on O2 in the UK. Thanks.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
3G works, unlocked bootloader required..

Everything works , besides 1080p & FM radio :)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] naeem123:
Thanks so much! aww shame I have a locked BL and I want to keep it that way!!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
You can relock the bootloader with a few files ;)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mirhl:
if you want to test some wonders of UL but you are still scared about the lost of DRM and (possibly) of the waranty

no worry!

just use this tool that can backup the TA partition

while you try different roms and kernels, your DRM keys will be safely stored

and then, whenever you'll need you can restore them
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] liberatemail:
Hello Friends,

I do have problems with data loose with BETA3. Clean install. Data lost after some time in daily use, H sign is present, but no data. After manually switch data off and on data working again. With official .200 version no problems. All other aspects of ROM perfect. Best ROM for S. EOS not as good, 3G toggle not working properly in EOS.

Please keep this ROM updating, waiting for new kernel!

Best regards
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] someone755:
Well, the official Sony version has exactly amost nothing to do with CM 10.1.

That's 4.1.2, this is 4.2.2.

It says BETA because it isn't ready for daily use yet. (Though most people ignore the warning and use it as a day-to-day ROM.)

If all you need to do with the data is toggle it, then that's no issue at all. An issue would be if you'd have to restart your phone or something similar...

Though I didn't have that problem... Did you do a completely clean install? Also, try going to recovery and wiping cache and dalvik, that usually helps with bugs ;)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Arakmar:
Hi,

I experienced this issue too because I'm on a carrier which uses roaming. So, a lot of antenna switch which disconnect 3G.

I managed to get that properly working a while ago. I'll include the fix in OpenSEMC repos soon :)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] liberatemail:
Found OpenSEMC application, by chance. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=40496793

Using it BRIGHTNESS fixed. Why not included in ROM?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Jarod_:
I have this issue too. I have to switch off/on the data to make them working again. So if you can push a fix, that would be wonderful for the future ! Thanks.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] FrancoBegbie:
Data issue

I have had that same problem on the official ICS and JB firmware and it is fixed by switching off the "Set mobile data limit" under "Data Usage" in settings. Hope this helps.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] fneve:
I have this issue, that the battery status doesn't refresh after or while charging. I need to reboot after charging.

Anyone else experience this problem?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Chacc:
not working : Eap-sim
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] LucidSomnia:
I am sorry for the off topic, but I saw the date on Jarod_'s post and went :o Have you come from the past? Where is.your time machine? The date is 01-01-1970. How's that possible?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
Dunno what you're smokin' , bro..

The date is 17th June 2013...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] LucidSomnia:
Wish i was smokin somethin, got a ss, will post later. Maybe it's a tapatalk bug.

Edit: here is the screenshot.

Now I can see Chacc's post with the same date. Definitely a tapatalk bug.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] someone755:
Wow. Sure is a weird bug. Off-topic galore :P

Sorry to pop your bubbles, but I have a question of my own;

If porting a 4.2 ROM to the Xperias, and if I use this as a BASE, would there be any additional issues regaring the kernel? Since the kernel here is 3, I thought adding a ramdisk file from a 3.4 kernel would make things :poop:
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
I'd advise you to wait a bit.

The kernel will be updated soon ;)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mirhl:
01-01-1970 is usually the date from which UNIX systems starts counting the time

it's a simple bug..
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] RaymanFX:
Sit tight!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Great_Geek:
You, sir, are a genius! :)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] GTDarthYoda:
3.4 kernel inbound?

:D
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] yzlnew:
wooooh

~~~

When can we begin downloading? can't wait any longer
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] someone755:
Another instance of Rayman's pure genius. :D

Keep it up, we're proud of you guys :D

Also, what kind of settings icon IS that? EOS?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mirhl:
yes it's eos
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] zekozeko:
It's Miugen theme for cm10,aokp...and eos since it has theme manager too.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] someone755:
Thanks, but are you sure it's spelled 'miugen'?

The only thing Google finds is your post in this thread here...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Godoword:
It should "Mianogen"

I think he just spelled wrongly
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] someone755:
Wow, my own HTC M7 on CM10.1 :P This brings something new to the world of Xperia :D Makes everything hot (as in sexy) :D

I'm eperiencing a bit of battery drain over here. Freshly flashed, nothing installed, nothing changed. I just flashed, logged into all my accounts and left the phone lying on my table overnight. The battery fell from 45 to 22%.

Never had that before (~a month ago), why now?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ny-hardcore:
I just saw you pushed a cm-10.1-caf kernel to github. Does that mean cm10.1 is nearing a buildable state?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] -Johannes-:
Maybe its new 3.4 kernel :)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] akkiannu:
That's 7 days old. I don't think so it's the new kernel.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ny-hardcore:
I was talking about new branch

https://github.com/RaymanFX/kernel_sony_msm8x60/commits/cm-10.1-caf
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] akkiannu:
Expect an update soon then! ^_^
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mat2057:
RaymanFX, for you screenshot, did you use the kernel from your repository (cm-10.1 branch)?

And if so, did you modify any other config file (BoardConfig.mk for example)

I wasn't able to make my phone boot OpenSEMC with this one (but recovery works well)...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] akkiannu:
It is for EOS! Why would you try and make it run for OpenSEMC? :|
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mat2057:
Well, because the branch is named "cm-10.1" (https://github.com/RaymanFX/kernel_sony_msm8x60/tree/cm-10.1) and it was updated 4 days ago. So I gave it a try.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] akkiannu:
It won't work. He just got the kernel booted on EOS. Have patience and the 3.4 kernel will be here. No point bricking your device! :P
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mat2057:
Thank you, I'll wait then :)
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] liberatemail:
If U have the same problem, I've noticed that data loose happens during 2G to 3G station switch. So temporary solution (until we have new version, which takes toooooo long I believe) is to switch to 3G only. In that case U could loose network time to time for seconds, but data will stay connected.

Regards
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] vankooten:
i've just connected my phone to the computer and pc companion tells me that there is an update to JB.

what happens if i continue and install this?

xperiaS with opensemc-beta3 rooted.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] __xEpiiC_Us3R-:
Nothing..

PC Companion does not work with UB..

So u receive Only the notification but not thw ROM

Inviato dal mio Xperia S con Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mcv92:
The phone overclocks itself!!!

I already found a bug in openSEMC Beta3. The phone overclocks itself!!! I mean... If I set the highest frecuency to 1512MHz, a time later I found that the limit is on 1674 again!!! I tried rebooting, changing the governor (I'm using interactive), using NoFrills CPU to set the frecuency, but I any of this methods fix that problem. Is anybody having this problem too??
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Gallardo994:
Clean up /system/etc/init.d and try setting the values again.

Powered by EOS Nightly 19 with Android 4.2.2 on the board.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mcv92:
I did it and now it seems to be fixed. Thank you!!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] dpirotto:
Ok. RaymanFX is building the RC1 right now.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=43122304

Enviado desde mi Xperia S usando Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] alveos:
Waiting for new bulid! <3
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] HarpingOn:
Looks like I'm changing ROMs tomorrow
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] rolex0815:
I could compile it, but after repacking it doesn't boot. :(

I replaced initramfs with a newer version, but this step helped for Stock_JB_loop but not for OpenSemc_native.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ciaastek:
Will we get working HDMI on RC1?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] tania247260:
Everything should work in new build with 3.4 kernel
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mat2057:
What do you mean? It doesn't show Cm boot logo? I compiled it and it booted once. But I couldn't go further than "Launching applications".
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] RaymanFX:
It boots. And it works.

But I guess you can see yourself what is wrong here - no signal at all, RIL keeps being picky.

I won't release a ROM with broken radio, I gotta get this fixed.. Here comes the fun part.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] alveos:
How about 12mp camera and video recording? Does it work smoth? What is ril?