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[Atrix 4G General] duchski:
Motorola doesnt give a sh*t. First of all rooted/savvy users are a marginal percentage of people who bought this phone. Second Moto wants to make money by selling new phones rather than spending money on development and technical support of new software releases for the phones they already sold and discontinued. Third, any upgrades have to be approved by carriers and they want to sell phones not spend money on tech support and exchanges resulting from firmware updates.

Get real. The world doesn't revolve around XDA and a few hundred of enthusiasts. It's all about profit and survival as a business.
[Atrix 4G General] Matada02:
What kinda source do you have? :( Hope he/she is wrong.
[Atrix 4G General] exxand:
Still waiting Soak Test........be GB 2.3.7 :laugh: or ICS :confused: ...maybe JB :p
[Atrix 4G General] oddfuturewgkta:
when we know what is this update?
[Atrix 4G General] :
If everyone recalls late in 2012 there was a report about a security hole in Android affecting Gingerbread version too. I recall at least two such security related announcements since Atrix received GB.

Most, if not all, Atrix International devices never received any GB fixes unlike the AT&T users. I know for sure this soak test is a GB related update. As I have mentioned this in another post already, I fail to see Motorola planning to release an update for the carriers' version out side of US. By now the carriers themselves don't want anything to do with Motorola and/or an update for the phone is no longer being listed and sold for more than 12 months now.

One way to find out what Motorola's intention is by waiting and see what geographical location users are going to be accepted. Invitation and acceptance are totally different process. I would be furious if only AT&T users received this update and once again Motorola leaving the international users empty handed. International Atrix units out numbers the AT&T units by far.
[Atrix 4G General] Cocolopes:
Well...I think if this is a security update...this will be for entire atrix users not only for the at&t users...I mean what the meaning to get secured just some atrixs?

I dont think this soak test it will be ICS or Jb...I think this is a mistake from motorola...and the soak test build roll out its never gonna happend. (Hope I am wrong).

The only hope we have right now is on the awesome devs we have in xda.
[Atrix 4G General] :
I wasn't suggesting the update is for patching the security holes alone. This update will also sort out Motorola Blur and device drivers issues too.

Of course, as it was mentioned by other members, Motorola might try to patch the bootloader unlock hack too. Since Atrix is well capable to run the upcoming OSes, Non-Android, this would be the sole motivation behind this update and in that case I can imagine Motorola Mobility and Google would release the update internationally to avoid us extending the life of our devices and the chance not to drop Android.
[Atrix 4G General] pop900:
why not check the motorola servers?
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Yes, why don't you?
[Atrix 4G General] gonecks1:
Can't say, but the info I've gotten from the source before makes me think he/she works for motto
[Atrix 4G General] Cocolopes:
Well...PUNIT SONI tell me in G+ this:

"Its a small MR. We should clear in our soak notifications so there is no confusion. Will follow up."

I dont know what MR means...

from the (M)ATRIX...
[Atrix 4G General] scanuto:
It's just a maintenance release. Punit already confirmed it https://plus.google.com/+PunitSoni/posts
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
MOTO needs to make things right and just give us ICS already. Business decision or not, it's embarrassing that the SGSII got JB, and that's bad for business too.

I still kept my Atrix as my secondary, but sadly this is probably gonna be the end of the line for me with Motorola.

I've owned 9 Motorola phones! Very found memories of the V9X, the Milestone, and even my Atrix.

I just don't trust Motorola anymore, and sadly I'm not the only one that feels this way... :(
[Atrix 4G General] dude772:
I was going to get a razr hd... then slapped myself in the face and thought of the lack of updates for the atrix. Got an sg3 instead. still like the atrix better and use it occasionally. Hard to fully switch over when I have every dock that was made for the atrix haha.
[Atrix 4G General] IUH1991:
Exactly, there are so many people who spent hundreds of dollars extra to buy the docks sine they were a major selling point. It's almost cruel for them to release a maintenance release when they first promised ICS.
[Atrix 4G General] stevemw:
I got an invitation to a soak just before the announcement that Motorola would not be providing ICS for the Atrix 4g and Photon. So I wonder about this one.
[Atrix 4G General] :
One thing no one talks about, apart from me, is the fiasco of Atrix's spare batteries. Atrix is the only phone in the world to have replaceable battery without finding a single Original battery in any markets in the entire world. What was and still being sold is either faulty or fake. I have four of them, two of which were purchased from UK and the other two from US. No reputable suppliers such as Expansys ever had them in stock.

Motorola Mobility failed its Atrix customers like no other manufacturers and other Motorola built devices. Shame on them.
[Atrix 4G General] cncrd:
and Th3bill and upndwn4par and The hope:silly:
[Atrix 4G General] acaseyb:
Well I guess some of us can still hope this maintenance release unlocks our bootloaders, either intentionally or unintentionally. Right now I would happily take that over ics. At least I could put cm7 back on my phone then.
[Atrix 4G General] andreskafe:
Atrix need a new kernel, that is our hope and only mmontuori and krystianp working on it, apparently.
[Atrix 4G General] palmbeach05:
There's also this guy with the s/n of toyota who is working on a xoom kernel port. Apparently he did it using a different method than mmonturi and krystianp are. Based off of what I read, he's working on getting a valid boot.img working with the xoom kernel at the moment.
[Atrix 4G General] duchski:
If we are to continue this as a venting outlet the one thing that truly shows Motorola's lack of direction is the lack of compatibility between Motorola phones: the docks are designed to fit just one phone model, there are multiple batteries out there instead of just two or three for the entire line of Motorola phones not to mention the $200 lapdocks that are useless after the phone is replaced. Standardizing accessories will help your bottom line (production cost) and help customer loyalty as consumers would be motivated to buy a phone that lest them use all the accessories they already have? Come on Motorola, some planning and consistency would be nice? Why spit out 20 incompatible with each other models a year? You are like GM of 1974: too many names, too many models. Why dilute the brand recognition with customer loyalty with so many different models? Focus, Motorola, focus.

How about implementing the "iPhone model" which would be a new iteration of a phone model every year while retaining full compatibility with previous year phone model's accessories? How can it be that ATRIX 4G, ATRIX 2 and ATRIX HD can share with each other as many accessories as they can with an iPhone: a standard micro USB charger! Why release phones for a single no GSM carrier only while you can sell GSM phone to the entire world?

Wake up Moto, I have been a loyal customer for more than 10 years, mostly due to very good build quality but you are tempting me now with your lack of direction and idiosyncratic of phone design.
[Atrix 4G General] affiatic:
Since I have a newer matrix with locked bootloader I will blindly hope that update will lead to a hack or exploit to gain unlock for those in the same boat as me. I have already switched to a galaxy note i717 and would not use matrix as anything other than backup even if it got keylime. good phone yes. but much better are out there
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
punit has confirmed it is just a maintenance update.

the other thing that he remarked on is possibly sending more information for future soak tests on the nature of the update.
[Atrix 4G General] odinfire:
To be honest, it being a maintenance update should have been fairly obvious. Motorola already solved their ICS customer complaint problem by making the $100 upgrade to another Motorola product offer.

There was no way they would make that offer, then upgrade the phone to ICS.
[Atrix 4G General] andreskafe:
this project has a thread?
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
+1

My take on that, too much experimentation, not enough thought into the practicality and cost savings of having interchangeable parts and accessories. Then again, these are the same people that don't even reuse the same kernel code for each carrier on the same device, but rather build a new kernel for each one as evident by their SourceForge repos.
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
Well, like was said repeatedly. Don't get too hopeful, ICS was unlikely. Let's now hope for newer kernel and any other goodies they throw our way
[Atrix 4G General] pop900:
wasFaddth

I did the other guy check the Motorola device severs?
[Atrix 4G General] BigJeff:
I am failing to understand WHY people are assuming/blindly hoping this is ICS. Motorola ****ed us once, shame on them, ****ed us again, shame on us. Don't let it happen again. They are NEVER going to the right thing. They're such *****es that they are illegally withholding code that would prevent our devs from starting from scratch. It's like they just want to bone us.... It ain't ICS guys, just get that out of your head.
[Atrix 4G General] palmbeach05:
No, but he did say this in either the new cm 9 or cm 10 thread. You know, the thread that reffers to "that kernel" and has its servers based in asia.
[Atrix 4G General] cncrd:
you are right

I have also donated for this project

But As I see mmontuori and krystianp need some help to complete this project

If anyone leak some source code they can step forward more easily

http://sourceforge.net/motorola/atrix/discussion/general_comments/thread/5b551bd6/

https://plus.google.com/+PunitSoni/posts/gnFiHmZEAML
[Atrix 4G General] eagleeyetom:
Guys, ranting Motorola is not the point of this thread. Please focus on the OP and the message provided. Thread cleaned.

Thanks!
[Atrix 4G General] duchski:
Yeah. It'd unbelievable that company the size of and impressive technological legacy like that of Motorola can be so inefficient and chaotic with its product line. Like you said its almost as they were experimenting....

There seems to be no vision and no sense of direction. Unbelievable and a shame given Motorola's legacy.

[/rant] Sorry.
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
Isn't the inclusion of "wtf??" In the subject line kind of leads to moto hate, doesn't it?
[Atrix 4G General] mrplowdan:
no
[Atrix 4G General] danilocps87:
NO!!!
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
I believe that the evolution of this thread kind of disagrees with that, lol!
[Atrix 4G General] quetzalcoatl2435:
The moto hate occured looong before this thread existed, so I'd say it's the other way around. Moto hate leads to said subject line. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] danilocps87:
Please, clear this thread too: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2016837&page=58

It has 58 pages, but you can reduce it to only 5 pages if you remove all the off topics...

Thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] pop900:
I have a UK Atrix, and just had a chat to moto support via the live chat link, and they said that it is ICS, but the adviser said it will only be made public if the soak test is successful:D.
[Atrix 4G General] tonglebeak:
That seems a little farfetched given what Punit has stated. Do you have a copy of the chat logs?
[Atrix 4G General] gonecks1:
Are they still even planning a soak test? I accepted my invite last week and not a word since. Ill believe its ics when i see it
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
Not to further the rumor but somebody has to say it. Moto's lied before which is to say they can be lying again (on either of these counts.) We'll see soon enough what it is, all I care about is if it comes with anything that can help us all further improve or make easier the work being done by the developers here. I'm happy enough with CM7 but would love ICS (preferably official if it's smooth.)
[Atrix 4G General] Lugaidster:
So uhm, sorry if it's been asked before, but given the length of the thread, I felt compelled to ask (and maybe someone could update the OP) if the soak test is for any specific version of Android.

Thx
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
That's the number one question on everyone's mind. Lots of hope for ICS but Punit Soni states on his G+ account that it is nothing more than a maintenance release. Lots of secrecy and lots of speculation. Also lots of concern that this may also just be another round of bootloader locking to finish what they started this time last year.
[Atrix 4G General] ovitz:
from today chat with Motorola

MaritesS: If it's a US Atrix 4G phone, it will remain on GB or Android 2.3.

MaritesS: The software updates that will be released are for software maintenance only.

John Przeklasa: so, this is only GB?

John Przeklasa: there will be no ICS for Atrix?

John Przeklasa: any version of Atrix

MaritesS: For Atrix 4G US phones, there's none.

John Przeklasa: just please, give me a hope

MaritesS: The information that you need is found on the software update link that I gave you earlier.

MaritesS: Anything else?

John Przeklasa: yea, but there was an info, that Atrix will recive ICS

MaritesS: I already provided the information that you need for US phones, John.

MaritesS: We're here to provide support for US mobile phones only.

John Przeklasa: but for other regions?

John Przeklasa: can I have any hope fot ICS?

MaritesS: As I checked the software update page, the Atrix 4g in Canada and US will remain on GB, Android 2.3.

MaritesS: If the model is not listed there in other regions, it is not slated for any further Android operating system upgrades.

John Przeklasa: what about Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia?

MaritesS: Since the phone is not listed on these regions, it is not slated for any further Android operating system upgrades.

sorry buddies, we will stay with GB
[Atrix 4G General] tonglebeak:
That makes more sense and seems in line with Moto's style.
[Atrix 4G General] n7slc:
Agreed. Motorola continues to give us no reason to buy another Motorola phone, ever.
[Atrix 4G General] saldirai:
You shouldnt buy Motorola even if this is ICS (which is not). Because by buying another Motorola, you tell that you are perfectly OK with the treatment you got. Google didnt update Atrix, just to sell you more Google products.
[Atrix 4G General] tonglebeak:
Exactly. There is no reason to continue to invest in Motorola products if they care more about their bottom line, than customer satisfaction.
[Atrix 4G General] felipeb.soares:
I asked about the update for motorola atrix and got the answer by email.

Good morning, Felipe!

Please be advised that the Motorola Brazil's main objective is customer satisfaction, so be reassessed possible update Atrix handset.

Kindly ask that you wait and if the update is released customers will be notified.

in Portuguese

Bom dia, Felipe!

Informamos que a Motorola Brasil tem como principal objetivo a satisfação dos clientes, sendo assim, será reavaliada a possível atualização do aparelho Atrix.

Solicitamos gentilmente que aguarde e, caso a atualização seja liberada nossos clientes serão comunicados.
[Atrix 4G General] saldirai:
Well, Motorola has a somewhat different way of customer satisfaction :D
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
This can't be helped...

How so? By satisfying their rival's customers? :good:
[Atrix 4G General] gonecks1:
It'll be interesting to see what this update supposedly fixes. I took the plunge a few months ago and rooted/unlocked my phone. I was getting random reboots, poor battery life, and the services.Motorola.com stopped error messaging. I installed CM7 and other than the PNC Bank app crashing, no problems. Seeing how I along with countless others have had these problems for several months with no fixes by Motorola, why would anyone purchase another Moto product again? Combine that with my LTE Xoom still waiting for jelly bean, I'm done with motor. I really hope ydays leak that the S4 will be released in April is true, my contract is up in March and I'all be switching carriers once the new flagships start rolling out.
[Atrix 4G General] pop900:
The thing that makes me so angry is that we have such a powerful device and cannot make much use of it. Even the S2 is getting jelly bean!
[Atrix 4G General] Mitoush:
Yeah... And maybe because of this my next phone will be Samsung or Sony.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
So they hint to a possible update, but nothing about the nature of the update. We already know about the soak test for the Atrix on AT&T, but nothing about it more than its existence. I wish they would at least give us a changelog or even some vague idea of what the update is, but in an official capacity with a consistent answer, because the answer seems to be a bit different depending on the person being asked. It may be ICS, it may be a maintenance update with no indication of what is being fixed, who knows.

I guess being absolutely vague about everything is the new transparency that Punit Soni promised :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G General] tamuin:
Take a look at the discussions at source forge

Someone from moto has been talking to the open source community, but it appears that they never completed the ICS work, so it is doubtful that the soak test is ICS or JB

http://sourceforge.net/motorola/atr...#8ec7/33f3/5928/df5e/4f86/13ed/fd43/db5c/f5e7
[Atrix 4G General] felipeb.soares:
Iink to Gopi's profile on Google Plus plus.google.com/ is not best to talk with him at plus instead of using motorola forum?
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
no I really don't think it's a good idea to take the conversations to Google Plus. look Gopi is talking to people. there also conversations taking place outside of the SourceForge forums.

he is 1 guy in a company of thousands of people. he is championing these releases internal to Motorola. posting 100 to post to Google Plus page is going to do absolutely nothing except discourage people from wanting to interact with us at all.

the fact of the matter is what's going to help us the most is together proposals to submit to management which provide sound logical reasons why Motorola should do some of the things we think they should.

it should also be noted that gopi has nothing to do with any soak test.

I believe it would be best to delete the link to his Google Plus profile, unless you have permission to do so. how would you feel if some people were pissed off about the company that you work for, using your own personal page to vent?
[Atrix 4G General] felipeb.soares:
Not informed link with the intention of flooding the page with complaints, or whatever it is, but an attempt to out an environment motorola achieve a more informal information maybe even a leak rs

It was the only one who noticed the comments in the forum answering in any way wish to make any kind of complaint or flood in your page, it was not the intention, and the link is very easy to find with simple google search.

I'll remove the link.
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
Thanks.

Rest assured, that Motorola is considering what is present in that thread. As soon as anything is real, it will be posted here. But as you can see, Gopi has been very helpful, and I can only really confirm that he has done exactly what he has posted in the sourceforge discussions.

I truely hope that Gopi is an example of 'The New Motorola'. If it is, then I'm about to 180 my opinion of the company.

---------- Post added at 02:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 PM ----------

Punit is working on having exactly what you have suggested by past of future soak test invitations. You guys might know me from his Google+ page as 'tcharron'. Trust me, I've been there all along for much of this stuff. And what I've found is, he lacks the authority to fix much of the issues. As we are all aware, the entire company if being restructured. He's the VP of Software Product. That means his MAIN job is moving development forward. In some cases, he literally *can't* make the call alone to do some of this stuff. There are still thousands of employees as Motorola. We're focused on a couple.

Anyhow, back to the original post, he did answer it when asked. "No, this is a MR". Pretty point blank.

Here's my opinion. I think Punit is trying to be different. I also think he has a *horrible* consumer facing 'face'. That's *really* not his job anyway. He's in charge of software project management.
[Atrix 4G General] Core2idiot:
One thing I thought was interesting was that on the Motorola support forums they classify the Motorola atrix as a motoblur device rather than a Google android device. And it appears that motoblur was never ported to ICS, instead they use a considerably more lightweight skin. I don't think that this soak test will be ICS but I am kinda hoping that as a maintenance release they upgrade the kernel. Then they will probably get even more backlash for not releasing ICS, but I doubt that they will. I think that there is currently massive upheaval inside Motorola right now, and I think I probably will buy another Motorola as I'm coming over from Samsung and moto's build quality is much better, however that probably won't be for a couple years(after they sort things out with their new owner), considering I just upgraded to the atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] NooBs7yL3:
R: New soak test? wtf

It's pass 8 days since the soak news, and still nobody has says us if it's ics or gb...

How has we to wait?

Inviato dal mio MB860 con Tapatalk 2
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
It's been reiterated over and over. This is gb. Motorola has goten a request to release their incomplete ics work, however, this will never come down as an official release. It is a maint update, not an upgrade.
[Atrix 4G General] 8trix:
I too smashed my screen and though the hardware was still very relevant and can handle anything in the play store, I chose to switch phones due to the software updates, or lack thereof... I had to get an HTC (the one vx which I LOVE btw) but once the hype dies down and they are available again I will get the nexus 4, and NEVER EVER EVER buy Moto again. Until it's called Google hardware division lol... On that note, what the hell happened with Google owning Moto and then using LG to make that sick nexus 4 that nobody can buy?
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
Google has said recently, that they will be changing the way they do these things..

Motorola, internally, it being entirely restructured based on Google wanting to change the mobility division into 'The New Motorola'. One potentially big change may be in line with the X Phone. The desire is to push this *to all carriers*, and work with a similar model as the IPhone and Galaxy S3.

From what I have heard, the internals of Motorola are being shaken up. And phone upgrade support is now being 'packed in' to any phone they launch moving forward.

From the looks of things, the X Phone may very well be a Nexus phone, in all but name.
[Atrix 4G General] tags07:
Thanks for all the good wishes ;)

I'll try to do what I can..the least I can do is massage the requests and present it to the decision makers. As I said elsewhere..I feel like Horton listening to the Mayor of Whoville :)
[Atrix 4G General] acaseyb:
I don't know if it got mentioned in the sourceforge comments, but please don't forget about those of us whose bootloaders are locked down. I know everyone wants ics, but there are a few of us who would just be happy to put cm7 back on our phones. We've been completely left in the dust for no good reason.