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[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
Other things are coming into play as well.

I think I may have been able to have a nice conversation with someone at Motorola.

https://sourceforge.net/motorola/atrix/discussion/general_comments/thread/5b551bd6/

Please, if your going to comment, express support, and don't go in guns blazing. There's infered hints, and maybe they're related?

A positive way to look at it, is, perhaps it will actually ENABLE bootloader unlocking.
[Atrix 4G General] Zeljko1234:
Thank you. That's how thing should be done. Make good polite conversation if you can.
[Atrix 4G General] n7slc:
Same here. Would love to blow the dust off of my old Atrix and out it back to good use.
[Atrix 4G General] SCFirefighter:
I was part of a soak in October for my Bionic. This goes outside the help desk. In fact they will tell you not to bother them with soak related questions.

IIRC Moto likes to release soak tests over a weekend. They usually do the GA release a couple of days after the soak test and its eval are completed.

I can't wait for the update to go live, if it is ICS. My wife's Atrix deserves ICS.

-- Sent from my DROID BIONIC on the KEXEC() enabled latest Linux kernel compiled for Key Lime Pie, with backwards compatibility.
[Atrix 4G General] t_vistor:
greate! hope to see ics from moto!:laugh:
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
I can't help but wonder if by any chance they finalized what they started (ICS Leak) because of the work mmontuori and krystian have been doing. Those guys go serious to a level I hadn't seen in a community before and I believe they are on the road to showing up the company that built the hardware. Maybe ego won out?

Just a thought...
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
Guys, go read the last part of https://plus.google.com/111499908439497508351/posts/gnFiHmZEAML
[Atrix 4G General] madscienc3:
If they really abandoned the 4g for new software, I'd expect it to show up on the boot loader unlock program. It hasn't, at least not yet.
[Atrix 4G General] Mustkeg:
Punit Soni 06:56

"In the 5 months I have been on this, I dont go through one day when I dont feel the impact of past promises that were made and couldnt be met. I have said this before: I cannot fix the past. However, going forward, anything we launch, we will support. Any commitment we make, we will follow up."

Meaning what?﻿
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
I wonder what this soak test will be, then? Soni's comments would seem to indicate they aren't going to change their stance towards Atrix and other older devices.

Perhaps just a 2.3.7 update with some of the most egregious security holes plugged?
[Atrix 4G General] samcripp:
I just read that whole post. That was interesting. I would love to see moto move into a cycle that can be shared with the community. Maybe once the devices hit a certain age they can begin opening up the development, sharing some of the burden with the dev community and keeping the device relevant for longer. They could release alpha and beta source code and devs could help stamp out bugs. Partners like nvidia need to learn to play ball.
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
Unfortunately, NVidia aren't really known for their 'friendlyness' towards open source, as Torvalds succinctly noted last year.

All they care about is the bottom line - just like Motorola, in fact!
[Atrix 4G General] IanTester:
That's only relevant for their desktop/laptop GPUs, likely due to patents, etc. The embedded chips are handled by a different division and they have started opening up about Tegra 2/3, including the GPUs and other display hardware.
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
Although more simplified than the desktop stuff, the Tegra GPUs still use similar patents (though even T4 isn't going to use the Kepler uArch). I realise that the Desktop/Mobile sector are covered by different divisions but I'm less than convinced that NV will ever become particularly 'friendly' towards the development community.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong. :)
[Atrix 4G General] danilocps87:
Guys, I didn't read all that Google+ thread... But, if I really understand, this new soak test will not be ICS/JB? Will it be just a GB maintenance?
[Atrix 4G General] peddarson:
nobody really knows yet. ics would be possible imo but jb is only wishful thinking.

and actually i do not see the point in updating to 2.3.7 if you see the changelog.

[irony]maybe moto gives us android 3 [/irony] :D
[Atrix 4G General] joe H.:
I got one of those invites as well. I think I'm going to sit this one out, I'm happy with epinter's CM10 & 10.1 roms.

Soak testers, let us know as soon as you see any updated. Thanks
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Yes. And a Xoom to go with it. :whistle:
[Atrix 4G General] billyknit:
forward?

Can the invite be forwarded? If you aren't going to use it, I sure would like to.
[Atrix 4G General] dude772:
Plus one.

I have a few atrix I can try it out on one just to see what we get. I got another one today that has some ics from with a working fingerprint sensor. I had no idea that was possible!?
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
Probably one of the ics leaks
[Atrix 4G General] krrishvaid:
If that would be the case .......motorola would probably not roll out a soak test

It must be a big or atleast a significant update
[Atrix 4G General] billyknit:
I'll put this out there... if anyone isn't going to use their invite, please forward it to me. My email address is my username @gmail.com.

Thanks an advance :good:
[Atrix 4G General] cemdogu556:
great news. thumb up for moto :)

finally, we can use ICS . Maybe Leak, Maybe Official. :)
[Atrix 4G General] saiftheboss7:
Sorry to break your heart guys. As I said earlier, I was pretty sure it's not ICS. Seems I'm right. I sent personally a message to

Matt, the man who sent out this invitation for SOAK Test. I asked him this

His answer is this:

The only hope is our Olympus ICS/JB Kernel Port I really hope the great devs will complete their work sooner than ever.
[Atrix 4G General] krrishvaid:
O no.......

Well........that is the only expectation we can have from motofail..........they can only disappoint
[Atrix 4G General] palmbeach05:
Will the soak test be a locked or unlocked bootloader?
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
I doubt they would tell us that. If they did say they were locking them they'd likely not get anyone to do the update.
[Atrix 4G General] oddfuturewgkta:
well, its sad ;/
[Atrix 4G General] Lexord:
Still want to know what's new on this update.

Sent desde mi MB860
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
You know, the funny thing is the update page doesn't say anything about it remaining on GB or not getting ICS. It only specifies that it won't get JB. I remember the old format did say 'will remain on Gingerbread 2.3' but that's since been removed when they added the list of phones on the trade up program. Canada not being included in this given the soak test invite is for an ATT carrier version.
[Atrix 4G General] billyknit:
Hey you're right! Hmmmm...... things stay interesting. Anyone who doesn't want their soak test, send it my way!

-=Bill=-
[Atrix 4G General] palmbeach05:
Is there anything on moto's internal servers we could snatch up?
[Atrix 4G General] andreskafe:
Maybe a value pack like a SGS?
[Atrix 4G General] BigJeff:
I wonder if it has any modifications to Webtop? That would be interesting.
[Atrix 4G General] inaudibly:
From previous test how long does it take from this email to the actual test being rolled out?
[Atrix 4G General] Lexord:
2-4 weeks

Sent desde mi MB860
[Atrix 4G General] felipeb.soares:
I think that Motorola will keep this speech until the time of the launch of the new version. But I believe it is ICS.

In Brazil we are also cheering.

Sorry my english by google translate
[Atrix 4G General] :
"In the 5 months I have been on this, I don't go through one day when I don't feel the impact of past promises that were made and couldn't be met. I have said this before: I cannot fix the past. However, going forward, anything we launch, we will support. Any commitment we make, we will follow up.﻿" -- Punit Soni, http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...r-on-every-promise-moto-makes-moving-forward/

The above statement is another strong indication that Motorola Mobility will not commit to upgrading older phones. However, the pain the community has been causing the Motorola Mobility is very evident, good.

At this stage releasing an update only shows Motorola Mobility is trying to lure support within Atrix community and make division among us (International and AT&T users). I cannot see this update is released through most carriers internationally at this stage. I have requested an update from Motorola Mobility since the release of GB on many occasions. Twelve months later, when my contract is already coming to an end and already purchased another phone, Motorola wants to release a GB fix? They are really taking us as fools and still not communicating to their customer in any forms, so nothing has changed, why should we have a different mindset about Motorola Mobility after five months since the new CEO's appointment?

I can't, personally, fix my already formed opinion on Motorola Mobility either. I have a life time commitment to ensure Motorola Mobility's past is not forgotten and that is a promise I will keep unlike Motorola Mobility.
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
Just a thought. Simply releasing ICS for one carrier gives the entire community, international and the sister devices, ICS through developers like mmontuori. It would still be good (ok, better) faith.
[Atrix 4G General] acaseyb:
IF this is ics (and I still think it's much more likely to be 2.3.7 + a locked bootloader), I think that would be a respectable move by moto. They already took the reputation hit for canceling ics and I don't think releasing it now would do much to repair that reputation (and moto surely knows this). Releasing it now would actually show that moto cares a little bit about their customers, even if it's just a tiny bit.
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
From what has been said by Motorola, it seems almost certain to me that this soak will be nothing more than 2.3.7 plus a few of the security holes patched. I presume that the security fixes included in ICS could be patched into Gingerbread as well which might be useful to regain the confidence of business users?

Creating and testing a stable ICS/JB ROM would be much more resource intensive than adding a few patches to the existing 2.3.7 ROMs and Motorola have already told us they aren't expending their resources on 'older' phones.

I'd imagine the folks at Motorola have PR advisors who would let them know that it would be foolish not to let irate customers know that an ICS was on the way if you had it in development.

I'm sure krystianp and mmontuori and friends will provide us with the ICS/JB kernel we are waiting for in due course. They seem to be making good progress. Long may it continue!
[Atrix 4G General] :
With all due respect, if Motorola Mobility is doing this, so late though, for a Public Relation stunt then I have no respect for such company.

Jimmy Savile, a pedophile from UK, worked for charities and gained huge popularity in media circles only to be discovered, after his passing, was sexually abusing children for many decades. Morally, there is no difference between Savile and Motorola Mobility when they do something positive for others when in fact they do it for their own benefits.

BTW, Punit Soni didn't have to accept the job when he knows can't fix the past. Why should I trust a company that is not accountable?
[Atrix 4G General] InsanePostman:
Well, I'm sorry that you find abysmal business ethics/practices acceptable. Sorry to offend you on motorola's behalf. Prick.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
It won't be long before we know what it is. We waited for 4 months to get an announcement from Motorola saying they would update our devices to ICS only to wait another 7 months to have them take that away. Waiting a few days now isn't going to make much difference. I have my own doubts as to this being ICS, and I think at best we should be no more than cautiously optimistic. That said, and as previously mentioned, even if this turns out to be a maintenance update, there is still hope for ICS here. Please keep in mind though, that the effort is for the kernel only, not a full ROM. It is also a work in progress, and while each breakthrough does get us potentially closer to having an ICS/JB kernel, it doesn't mean it will happen overnight. But even if they fail, they won't have done so without giving the best fight anyone can give.
[Atrix 4G General] waltinho2:
I still have hope

Enviado de meu MB860 usando o Tapatalk 2
[Atrix 4G General] Infected24:
I expect a 2.3.7 realease + locked bootloader.

I am just tired of all this Motorola fail show, I am currently saving money to upgrade for a LG Nexus 4.
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
I have very little hope that it'll be a surprise ICS too but really none of it makes any sense. They abandon the phone completely with a 90% complete OS upgrade and then want to come back and do a patch some 4 months later? It just doesn't make sense.
[Atrix 4G General] Archon810:
Where did I ever comment on anyone's business ethics or practices? My comment had nothing to do with Motorola - it was strictly about thread hijackers, which you seem to be. There's nothing worse than offtopic unrelated comments on every post, that's just rude and counterproductive.
[Atrix 4G General] Lexord:
We got Motorola's attention

Check this out: Link We got motorola's attention :)
[Atrix 4G General] BioVipah:
We did something similar to get drivers for Samsung Galaxy Ace /Galaxy Y

and we won http://madteam.co/forum/general-77/(dev's)(broadcom)-open-dialogue-with-broadcom/

Hope and patience are our only allies now
[Atrix 4G General] ebswift:
Nice, one wonders why they'd start suddenly listening now - Gopi already mentioned they had respect for the community work, so surely there must have been some inkling as to what was going on and what is needed. Ah well, if some files come out we can move forward and put much of the past behind. My next phone will definitely be some kind of nexus though...
[Atrix 4G General] Haxornator:
Even if moto make the next nexus? I have higher hopes for The S4 after the embarrasment of the nexus4
[Atrix 4G General] ebswift:
I was mainly looking at the entry price point if I was buying right now. Something like the S4 would be in the top range plans here where the cheaper nexus 4 would theoretically be on the lowest plans should they actually be available at the moment. I've still got 10 months or so to go, so here's hoping for a few more options in the lineup. With 2x plans (one for myself and one for my wife) I can't go for the heavier plans so with time on my side I may be swayed from the nexus idea.

In the meantime I refuse to run GB on my atrix yet I want it to be more reliable, so I am hinging some hope on some of the recent happenings. I just hope my phone holds together, I'm in the process of getting a second replacement digitiser (actually 3rd if you count the one that failed in less than 24 hours that I put back into the mail today).
[Atrix 4G General] danilocps87:
The only reason to Motorola abandon a good device and a already done OS was a commercial reason. Motorola says: "If you want a ICS/JB phone, buy a Razr!"

But, the people says: "Ok Motorola, I really want a ICS/JB phone, and I will buy another phone. But, of course, it will be not a Motorola phone, never more!"

So, Motorola is losing customers, and now, I think, Motorola will "launch" (again) the already done ICS for Atrix, to try get again your customers. And then, in the future, these customers will buy its Razr phones again!

For me, this is only a change in the commercial strategy. There is a big chance that this soak will be a "old" new ICS release.
[Atrix 4G General] DannyBiker:
But how many people is that ? Not much if you ask me. I'm not buying Motorola ever again, even if they make the next Nexus. I would only buy from them again if they do release ICS after all which they probably won't.

Problem is : most of the their costumers don't even know what Android is and call their Motorola smartphones an iPhone.
[Atrix 4G General] saldirai:
I wouldnt be so optimistic about Motorola. XDA might be 0.5% of the sales but Android Blogs did/do care about the customer complaints and often voice them. Just check two recent news on Android Police:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...e-soak-test-treatment-ics-may-be-coming-soon/

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...r-on-every-promise-moto-makes-moving-forward/

Anyone, searching a little bit before buying, can read the negative feedbacks of Motorola customers. Else Punit and others wouldnt try hard to remind their promises. If you are in need of "giving promises" then things may not be going well for you.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
Has anyone decided to take the plunge? I'm really on the fence about this update, especially after that last one and the wonders it bestowed upon its victims. I'm not sure how long I can handle being stuck on stock firmware, and knowing the risk of being stuck there permanently doesn't excite me either. The only upside is that if things do go horribly wrong, I could end up with a new device (with some out of pocket expense), the reverse side of that is that I could be relegated to using an old BackFlip I have kicking around here.
[Atrix 4G General] duchski:
Exactly. Why split hairs before we even know what the update is all about?
[Atrix 4G General] quetzalcoatl2435:
You guys must have missed the bolded statement below the tables.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
Because if we were going to get ICS, the leak we got wouldn't have been an engineering build, but rather something closer to a test release. Supposedly, one of the devs working on the build revealed on some obscure forums that they were having major issues with the update bricking devices, but like everything else you find on the internet, it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

From both a common sense standpoint as well as a financial one, it's reasonable to assume that the update is in fact not ICS, but rather just a maintenance update for a device just weeks away from being 2 years old when they won't even update one half that age. Whether is ICS or not, remains to be seen, but the wild assumption of it being ICS has already spread and people are believing this to be the case when we simply do not know and have no reason to believe it to be true.
[Atrix 4G General] twaffle:
Well, as far as how many people, Moto has lost 7% of it's user base *per quarter* for the last 4 quarters.
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
I risk sound like I'm trolling, that's not my intention and I'm sorry because I honestly can't believe they would make a major update but rather small patch(es). Like I said before, none of what they've said or done makes sense.

My issue is two things that still bother me and don't make sense. Why keep it a secret when they know full well it was going to get blown out of proportion by the community when it was announced even if it was just a simple fix for a small bug? At the very least they should just say "This is not an upgrade to ICS and is a fix to address xxxx bug(s)", they have at best at this point only hinted that it isn't. Why so secret? Also, why update it with a patch now, like I said before they abandoned it, gave the blanket statement 'we'll support security patches, etc.' which is just to cover themselves in the event of a massive exploit that could cost them money (i.e. lawsuits) but there aren't any significant exploits I've heard about.

Back to the issue of the update site, the statement "*If your Android 1.5 ("Cupcake") through Android 2.3 ("Gingerbread") model is not listed here, it is not slated for any further Android operating system upgrades." still is not a definite statement. It says "slated for" which is tentative and if you look towards the top of the page it also states it's subject to change so either way you look at it they've left it open to the possibility. The possibility is what's got me extremely curious (and despite me trying not to be, even a bit hopeful.)

Why patch a (nearly) two year old device they not only abandoned but almost reacted as if it was an evil step child they couldn't wait to kick out of the house. Why not build on an update that was already 90%+ complete rather than go back to 2 year old code and fix 'holes' that don't seem to be that big of a deal. What would take longer/more money to do, make those updates to ancient software or finish a nearly complete OS upgrade (not rhetorical, I really don't know the answer to this?)

The only thing that does make sense to me is if they are intending to finish the ICS upgrade then they still stick with the statement of 'no JB' which is definite but they also automatically give the entire android community a kernel and libs for the Photon and Electrify as well as international versions through external devs. Motorola knows this. That is pretty much the only reason I have hope it will be.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
If it was ICS or JB or whatever, they may not want to make an official announcement until after the testing in case things go horribly wrong. I do agree that it is really bad to leave things open to speculation.
[Atrix 4G General] duchski:
Motorola changed direction on many phones already. The website and all statements there are worth nothing and may change at any time.

Just wait and see what the update is all about.

---------- Post added at 09:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:45 AM ----------

Better then promise something, like ICS for ATRIX 4g and later backtrack. Let's just wait and see
[Atrix 4G General] palmbeach05:
I checked the dev servers last night. while looking around i did pay attention to last date modified. this is just speculation based off of observation, but it looks like this update has a build date from dec 2012. furthermore, (again, just speculation based off of observation) there's also another build date from jan 2013. dec 12 build goes to atrix and jan 13 build goes to photon, maybe?

Edit: i was looking for build number/android version. i did not find anything more than what i have stated above.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
You know, I was thinking (yes, I do that sometimes :p), maybe the wild speculation about the update might actually work to our advantage, doubtful, but maybe. What I mean is that just in the last couple days since the emails came out, there are quite a few sites wording the news as if we should expect this to be ICS, so obviously people are still interested. Maybe the backlash from when people find out it isn't ICS will force Motorola to finish what they started. It's doubtful, but maybe if the fallout of another PR disaster will cost them more than finishing the ROM. At the very least, maybe it will give them the boot in the *ss they need to release the unfinished ICS kernel source so that the devs here can undot the t's and uncross the i's and fix whatever other mistakes Motorola made.
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
If anything it's definitely energized the community quite a bit. I hang around (much more than post) and hadn't seen this much activity in the past two months.
[Atrix 4G General] Zeljko1234:
Do you remember activity for leaked ICS? Could you imagine how will be with official? :)
[Atrix 4G General] dedebekri:
Oh my, oh my...

Then just sit back and watch the threads & pages flow :D

It would be fun like a carnival coming to town.
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
It'll be insane.
[Atrix 4G General] Dachande:
I have a stock atrix I am willing to upgrade if someone wants to send a soak test my way. I already moved on to a note 2, so I'm not afraid of it permanently locks the boot loader or whatever.
[Atrix 4G General] n7slc:
+1
[Atrix 4G General] InsanePostman:
We got a few devs over at the Photon forum trying to make a bootloader work-around. They're making some actual progress. Although I realize this is the Atrix forum and may not have anything to do with it. Who knows though. If they're successful, maybe it will be easily modded to work with the Atrix as well.

Check it out if you wanna. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2072644