yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Well, you kind of missed the point. If after-boot death only occurs after reboot, then obviously rebooting often would logically be more likely to trigger after-boot death. :) I can't say if this also requires flashing something in recovery to trigger it because I rarely reboot for other reason than to flash something in recovery.

By run-time death I mean you have been using your device for some time and suddenly TS goes unresponsive instead of being already dead after boot up. These I haven't been able to produce anymore except by poking s2w/dt2w via adb while the screen is off but it's known bug and I know the cause for it that I should fix at some point.

After-boot deaths have nothing to do with s2w as they were there before s2w already and stayed there after I stripped s2w code from the kernel temporarily.
[Desire HD Android Development] evronetwork:
Its more harmful to charge a lithium battery 10% unplug it and recharge it 10% until lets say 80% (bad charging). So to make things clearer, you have 0% battery(which isn't 0%, you just can't use your phone..the lithium-ion battery or lithium polymer depends on the phone can be damaged MORE easily if you plug and unplug the phone many times rather than charge it until full.

NiCD has problem with memory as we say, so if you charge a NiCD battery from 0% to 30% then you stop charging it and try to recharge it later it will create a "memory" effect and it cannot be charged until 100%, you need to discharge it completely then charge it until 100% before unplug the battery. Batteries like Li-ion, NiMH etc doesn't have memory effect BUT ALL batteries die after some charging cycles

So again as I said in the previous comment, charging cycles ARE important don't charge your phone for 20 minutes then unplug it and charge it a bit later, leave the phone or any device with a battery to charge until full, you'll make the battery last longer.

Trust me, I know some stuff.. ;)
[Desire HD Android Development] chrischiang:
is there anyway to disable the scrolling wallpaper in this rom??
[Desire HD Android Development] KalZakath:
Settings in apex launcher
[Desire HD Android Development] chrischiang:
no chance with stock launcher??
[Desire HD Android Development] KalZakath:
Dunno, try mayby flickr 4 multipicture live Wp from play store.
[Desire HD Android Development] ILA:
Yes! On homescreen press menu>system settings>launcher>homescreen>scroll wallpaper and uncheck it.
[Desire HD Android Development] a user:
well the one time case was a "run time death" and i have s2w and dt2w always off. anyhow, am meanwhile on the 29th i think, jumped directly from the unlucky 26th one where i had thet touchscreen death. it was funny as the one TS death happen right on the 26th thus right on the day i flashed it after 7h or something like that.
[Desire HD Android Development] hacktrix2006:
No more issues with TS death since going to apex, so something is related semi to CM's launcher. Been running solid since. Will wait for TB backup tonight and will then flash the latest again.
[Desire HD Android Development] revthanki:
Hi Mustaavalkosta

Having a few random reboots with latest version after a clean flash and one frozen screen which led to the Dalvik cache being rebuilt after a battery pull.

Am attaching a couple of last msg files.

Cheers
[Desire HD Android Development] hellomysons:
i find a issue when capture completed , the quick view image will be green however the stored image is ok
[Desire HD Android Development] WordsworthESP:
I charge in that manner pretty consistently, and after 2+ years, my battery is fine.

Maybe one process is slightly better than the other, but if either did any considerable amount of damage to the battery, it'd be fairly common knowledge. The point is, both of you feel you know something the other doesn't... yet if either of you were undeniably correct, manufacturers would most likely include some sort of info regarding a proper method for charging.

More importantly, at the rate these devices are being pushed out and the increasing quality between each release, most people aren't going to retain one device long enough for it to even matter. Some may, but they'll be few and far between, and it's far more likely they'll suffer from a defective battery than one that died a little early because of over-frequent charging.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Ok. I'm pretty sure I triple checked TS suspend/resume functions to behave like they were behaving without s2w additions when these features are turned off but I can go through it again if this happens again for someone. :)

I've got these in the past with apex and nova too though if we are talking exactly about touchscreen being dead straight after boot up. I just want to make clear difference between these two issues (or maybe even three if trebuchet has something going on on its own). The very least they seem to be very much random occurance. Still rocking without boot up TS issues. Sun is shining for my RNG. :)

Thank you. Sadly, that log is probably from your recovery's kernel.

Linux version 2.6.35.14-cyanogenmod-ge1b34a4 (android@portatile) (gcc version 4.4.3 (GCC) ) #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 28 21:55:03 CEST 2011
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
Just had a run time touch screen lock up on 0627 nightly, tried to capture output of dmesg using

sudo adb shell su -c dmesg > dmesg.txt

but get Permission denied - have now set ADB to have root access, if I get another lock up hopefully I will be able to get a useful log message.

Was able to reboot using adb, and got a Cyanogenmod wallpaper instead of my usual wallpaper.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
s2w/dt2w on or off?
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
Both off, have never used them as I always seem to be able to swipe something too easily when taking my phone out of my pocket. Synaptics touch screen, Trebuchet launcher, perf 0624 kernel - but I doubt if it is a perf kernel problem. First touch screen issue in about 30 days.
[Desire HD Android Development] whiperhack:
Any way to make the auto rotation work in the latest nightly except flashing stock RUU?
[Desire HD Android Development] evronetwork:
But yet laptop manufacturers or phone manufacturers in the past they mention in their papers to charge your device for first time xx hours, did that statement really make sense? ..I mean its lithium ion, lithium polymer etc, no memory issues so the above sentance makes no sense

I don't think new phones/laptops say that but they might, in the past they was saying for example charge it for 16 hours straight(on some laptop devices)

P.S. So I don't know what you mean exactly by "undeniably" correct.. isn't that clear for you? ..because it is for me

Couldn't agree more on that
[Desire HD Android Development] hdorius:
Flash stock rooted rom
[Desire HD Android Development] whiperhack:
The only way I could do it was to flash the stock 1.32.405.6 RUU .exe then root with z4root, install 4ext, flash last recovery, restore the backup of this rom.
[Desire HD Android Development] a user:
1. both lithium ion and lithium polymer STILL DO have memory effects, but on different degree (especially the polymer one)

2. the above sentence make still sense even if they would not have a memory effect as it actually has NOTHING to do with it. the reason to charge for double the time on the first charging is initialize the battery. this means in simplified words, that the chemicals have be conditioned for a first time to their maximum.

i disagree on this! effect of such charging behaviour is visible already after a year of usage in most cases. actually most batteries of the dhd users here have their capacity already reduced by ca. 40% compared to when it was new. i have yet to see Lithium ion battery that has not lost 30-50% capacity after two years of usage.

but i agree that most people do not observe it as it degrates slowly and people adapt to it.
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
My DHD is over 2 years old now and had the original battery until recently. I thought the battery wasn't too bad as with little use I would get easily over 24 hours between charges, and at times over 36 hours, but the phone would reboot when taking photos with a flash if the battery was below about 35% and eventually started to reboot if the battery was below about 70%.

After recently replacing the battery I have no problem taking photos with a flash when the battery is as low as 10%, haven't tried with any lower battery remaining, and the battery easily lasts about 50% longer.
[Desire HD Android Development] a user:
[MENTION=4891658]rjand[/MENTION]:

exactly what i was talking about. due to the slow degeneration you get used to the lower capacity every day. but in fact after two years every lithium ion battery i ever saw in the many devices i or my friends etc. own(ed) all of them lost between 25 and 50% of their capacity, in avarage more around 40%.

that's why it annoies me so much that current new devices do not allow to change the battery.

p.s. lithium polimer i heared are much better, meaning they do not degenerate as fast as lithium ion batteries. but i am not really sure about this.
[Desire HD Android Development] WordsworthESP:
The point of my post was clearly missed. Either one of you is correct, and the other is wrong, or both are simultaneously wrong and/or right at the same time. The point is it doesn't really matter, either you're going to resign to buy a new battery or device after a specific period of time or you'll grow accustomed to declining battery life.

You strongly disagree with one another, and everyone seems to believe they are right, when it's just obviously not the case. When I say "undeniably correct" - I'm referring to an argument backed by scientific proof, not one that's backed by "trust me, I know some stuff." I'm sure you do, but that really isn't valid support for an argument.

More importantly, this is obviously not the place for this debate, so can we move on?

Edit

: On second thought, I find this more interesting than the pages of s2w discussion, which is a feature I don't really care for. So feel free to keep debating. LOL.

Sent from my Inspire 4G w/CM10.1
[Desire HD Android Development] Nark.GA60:
The only current phone that I can think if where you can't really change the battery is the HTC One.

Just because you can't swap a battery on the fly doesn't mean that it's not replaceable.
[Desire HD Android Development] evronetwork:
Studies showed that if you charge the battery up to 50% and no more, it would at least double its battery life ..but charging a battery to 50% only I don't think it would be great for a smartphone(you'll need to have a charger with you). About the memory effect, I don't think you'll notice it except if you measure it with special tools ..up until recent years the scientists didn't find that even lithium-ion batteries have memory problems so I think we are safe with that, especially if you compare it with Nickel–cadmium batteries.

With lithium polymer you have to be gentle to the touch, when removing/replacing a battery and most companies tend to stick the lithium polymer battery with a strong adhesive double sided tape which is annoying when you remove the battery to try not to bend the battery, also without a PCM protection for charging, discharging etc.. the lithium polymer is very dangerous it catches fire and it can blow itself up.

Sources? ..my ebike uses LiFePO4 battery (a kind of lithium polymer battery but much safer but with 3.2v instead of 3.7v), my experiments with lithium polymer batteries over the years. Also the lithium polymer batteries as lithium batteries tend to be more prune when you charge it discharge it frequently while SLA batteries are perfect at that(..but are heavy in general)
[Desire HD Android Development] Steam.:
Volume levels on CM10.1 are highly dissapointing.Go ahead and try DSP/AwesomeBeats/Viper4Android on aospX.It's a lot louder, especially on headphones, CM10.1 like drowns out the highs whenever the bass hits. [MENTION=3382363]Mustaavalkosta[/MENTION] ,is there anything you can do about the volume levels?I ask of you to try aospX and see the difference if you do not believe me.It is seriously different, and the only reason keeping me back from CM10.1, which is also pretty fast.
[Desire HD Android Development] GabrielSebastianMoise:
Well, the sound level drops because the DSP uses a automatic level gain , when the bass level is high. So if a sound has an input of 15db, the autogain sets the general volum to max of 10db. That's why other frequencies are with lower level of volume. If you disable the auto gain, you'll have distorsion, you'll break your headphones, or the sound chipset of the phone....

The same algorithm is with Beats Audio in Sense Rom, the effect is lighter, but the sound enhancer is great. The settings from the enhancer were tested rigurously, and the ones from aroma and other DSP manager, are only Equalizers, with powerup volum gain... Sound filters are not so good... so , from there you have that problem..
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
Here's what that other company says about their batteries http://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/

and how to maximise the iPhone battery life http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html

Here's another link for Android devices in general http://myhtcdesire.com/tag/battery-life

Basically batteries only last so long from date of manufacture and lose power over their lifetime, they only last for so many charge cycles which is either a full charge / discharge, or any number of charges / discharges where the total charge / discharge is 100%, such as 4x 25% charges is one full charge even if the battery never reaches 100%. The best thing you can do to prolong your battery life isn't charging related, but how much you actually use the battery, so try to save battery use to prolong its overall life.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
This also seems like a good source for battery related questions: http://batteryuniversity.com/ I haven't read it very thoroughly but browsed a bit in the past just to satisfy my general curiosity.
[Desire HD Android Development] GabrielSebastianMoise:
Does anybody own this one from Amazon ?

1800 mAh Extended Slim Design Battery for HTC ACE, HTC Desire HD, HTC Inspire 4G, HTC Surround, BD26100

I know it's a chinese one.... :D
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
They're mostly all Chinese these days due to labour costs, etc. They may be designed and manufactured by a non Chinese company, just the manufacturing plant is in China, so they will say made in China on them.

I got a 1600mAh one off ebay, made in China, cost just over £3 (avoided the really cheap ones), works great - don't know how long it will last though as I haven't had it long yet.
[Desire HD Android Development] a user:
that'S not a valid argument for the current design development going on. i know this and i do and did change battteries for such devices but opening a mobile device case is an issue for the common customer, not only because of warrant issues.

---------- Post added at 01:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:38 PM ----------

that'S why i wrote "on a different/lower degree". but i didn't precised it because there are various contradicting studies about how much this effect actually is.

and?

finally, my point of discussion was:

current used lithium ion batteries degenerate very fast. yes losing around 40% of their capacity in two years IS very fast (even if we consider that it depends on the actualll usage).

oh and btw. have to look again about this study but there was a test with lithium-ion batteries which where only charged, then never used, charged again when they discharged on their own, then charged again, etc. (so we have the minimal case of usage) and they still lost a lot of the maximal capacity over a similar time as mentioned above, of course though, not as dramatical as when using them regulary.
[Desire HD Android Development] mcduffie2010:
Is this a battery thread?

Verstuurd van mijn Desire HD met Tapatalk
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
How many ROM threads have you followed where there are countless users asking what is the battery life like, as users associate battery life with the ROM. Since this ROM is virtually bug free, battery issues have taken up the last page or two.
[Desire HD Android Development] evronetwork:
To be honest we are a little out of line with the battery, let move to the current subject..

Anyone notice random hot reboots on RC5?

I get one per month, or one per two month (only when I use my phone heavily), its not a regular boot, just throw me to the boot logo and asking for my pin (its very rarely so even the once per month/two months should take it with a grain of salt (but it happens more or less)

Is it just me?
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Dev preview JB adrenos crash once in a while causing a hot reboot. This could go away if we get new adrenos working but I haven't spent much time on that yet. I don't know if this is the cause for your hot reboots too but interval etc. sounds about the same that I've experienced.
[Desire HD Android Development] adam_purkis:
I have had a few reboots today and even had the phone freeze up a couple of times requiring a battery pull, this is on a nightly from a week or two ago and I have been dirty flashing a lot so I'm sure that's the cause. Will try full wiping this weekend as had no problems til recently. Thx for the great ROM!
[Desire HD Android Development] eryunt:
Hi all,

I would like to try Cm 10.1 on my Desire HD, but I would like to know what version is better to install.

I think RC5 is stable, but is there a best version till now ?

Now a noob-question about flashing:

I'm on CM 7.2 and my DHD's bootloader says:

ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF

HBOOT-0.85.0007

MICROP-0438

RADIO-26.03.02.26_M

eMMC-boot

Oct 11 2010,12:47:02

FASTBOOT

What method shall i use to flash the ROM ?

I have 4EXT Recovery installed.

All whipes and then rom+gapps from SD ?

Should I flash also the Kernel ??

Thanks in advance ! :)
[Desire HD Android Development] Steam.:
wipe all partitions except sdcard, flash rom and gapps afterwards, reboot and you're good to go.
[Desire HD Android Development] :
Hey,

looking at local_manifest i found this line

<project path="kernel/htc/RowShow-7x30" name="pa-ace/RowShow-7x30" revision="rowshow" remote="github" />

I thought you where using KangBang, but you're using RowShow?

Thanks,
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
You are not looking at my manifest. I've used my own kernel which is based on KB for several months. :)
[Desire HD Android Development] :
I used the manifest you provided in the first post...
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Where exactly did you find a link that shows RowShow kernel on the first post? I'm just curious because I couldn't find any manifest links other than the ones that point to my github with my own kernel. :-o If there's faulty link, it should be corrected asap.
[Desire HD Android Development] :
Nope, i made the cm10.1/.repo direction, and i looked directly into ~/.repo.. Just clicked the wrong folder. that was soo stupid. i stopped halfway-through compiling. What manifest do you want me to use? the one in the first post or the one you just provided?

Sorry that i said you where wrong, it was my fault :)
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Well, they are the same. The link in the build guide is just the raw version of it not to download html page into a manifest file. If you just follow the guide, it should be fine.
[Desire HD Android Development] :
Thanks alot sir, you are a beast.
[Desire HD Android Development] eryunt:
Thanks for thr quick reply !

What version is best to install ?

A montly or the RC5 ?

Is an RC6 already planned ?

THANK YOU :)
[Desire HD Android Development] FireBlast:
Install latest nightly build. It is stable without any problem.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Those who were annoyed by the little lag with screen-on could you test this kernel and let me know if it's better: http://downloads.codefi.re/mustaavalkosta/tests/kernel-20130706-0146.zip

It seems to be but it's 5am and it's possible that I'm dreaming. :eek:
[Desire HD Android Development] hacktrix2006:
is this for nighty builds or rc builds? going to flash latest nighty in 5 minutes.

Also has anyone managed to get a bluetooth keyboard working with CM10.1 i know it used to work on CM10 like?
[Desire HD Android Development] Nikos2k:
Sometimes my phone gets completely mute (ringings, alarms, media playing), without me changing any settings.

And I have to reboot it to get back to normal.

Any idea?
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
I have to rule this as 5am placebo effect. The delay is still around 500ms.

D/PowerManagerService-JNI( 1755): Excessive delay in autosuspend_disable() while turning screen on: 347ms
D/Surface ( 1755): Excessive delay in unblankDisplay() while turning screen on: 235ms

Sadly these don't tell much about the source for delay but I'll try something else than poking kernel since there are logs from other device too with the same delay entry/entries.

Kernels should work in any recent release. The first nightlies and maybe M1+2 or something like that probably won't work together with the newer kernel due different display code.

Which build are you using? Can you take a logcat soon after it happens? IIRC, you are the first one with this kind of problem so there is no pre-existing information about it.
[Desire HD Android Development] Nikos2k:
Version 10.1-20130505-UNOFFICIAL-ace

i installed catlog, can take a logcat, but i don't know exactly when it actually starts being mute. I usually realize it if an alarm doesn't ring, or if I see some missed calls on my phone.
[Desire HD Android Development] hacktrix2006:
Test kernel seems to be better mate. Also I am back on stock launcher with no death issues on touchscreen so all looking good.

Everything now seems super fluid.
[Desire HD Android Development] a user:
any body else oberved in the past weeks releases that a popup message notifies you that the sd card has been removed unexpectetly (only a reboot allows you to mount the sdcard without further issues)?

i had this 3 or 4 times during the past 3 weeks.

edit: last time yesterday using the nightly from the 4th i think.
[Desire HD Android Development] irshansk:
Hi all!

I'm liked that rom, but experiencing 3x faster battery drain comparing to previous sense rom - Viper DHD.

I made fullwipe, clear dalvik\cache and installed RC5. Radio is 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M

No any special apps installed.

Governor is default - interactive from 245mhz to 1024.

Where is problem?
[Desire HD Android Development] TiamaT82:
same here, came from Viper 2.3.0 at RC5 and my battery is dead 3x faster. i have installed an june nightly and my battery was better than viper 2.3.0, strange
[Desire HD Android Development] rjand:
Haven't found this on any nightly

yet, though I went from 0627 to 0706. Do you ever remove your sdcard? Does removing it and reseating it help?

Try SmartAssV2 governor, SIO scheduler, disable zRam and enable Kernel samepage merging. Will definitely help with performance, should help with battery too.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Sandisk card?

http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Mobile...xpectedly-removed-in-Android/m-p/292793#M2134

I've at least 3 cases of Sandisks causing this including myself. I didn't have any problems with my previous card and neither did the other two.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mustaavalkosta:
Good place to start if we are talking about idle consumption: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uzumapps.wakelockdetector
[Desire HD Android Development] irshansk:
Installed latest nightly build, selected smartassv2, will see results.

One more question: how I can fully disable earphones buttons? I have a pair of skullcandy earphones without any buttons, but sometimes, when wire is moved - phone selects another song/ stops music / opens google now search.
[Desire HD Android Development] gitardan17:
Since it's almost the 8th, is there another RC around the bend?