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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
me too. probably they will ignore you:P
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] William Haven:
If they didn fixed it by now just forget about a fix
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
yep cause its a hardware issue not software lmao
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
So... what Camera JB+ shows is magic? Nope.

I have some pictures from December. Taken at evening / night, when the city was lit up with Christmas lights... but most pictures are dark / contain dark spots. Well, those dark spots are way better looking if I view the pictures with Gallery JB+. With QuickPic / stock Gallery... it looks awful.

Even with Gallery JB+, there still are some areas where grays get mixed up with black, but I guess that's just because of the camera - which isn't really mind-blowing, you know... That, combined with the fact that, maybe, what Camera/Gallery JB+ does... is just a part of what needs to be implemented at the kernel level (in order to deliver best gamma performance).

Sent from my Galaxy Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
I still cant believe how devs here can make the impossible possible but when its about the black clipping no one is able to fix it..I dont know much but shouldnt it be MUCH easier to fix a gamma value or whatever it is than making a whole new ROM or whatever the devs does.. Why does it appear impossible to fix this issue if certain apps can kinda fix it.. What does the apps use that stock doesnt have..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
Good on yah, glad all black clipping issues will be gone across the Samsung devices board. Good we got that sorted, and it only took 1000+people looking at it, including hardcore and entropy to fix it at kernel level. Which was never achieved because what you say appears to be not possible, they tried it and failed. Call that magic. Correct me if I am wrong.

Well maybe samsung should ditch their player software and use those with the least black clipping. Thats a good proposal from you. At least it works around the issue rendering it artificially (software) solved.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
Maybe all those 1000+ people just looked at it but never did try to change anything to fix it.. If you know Edbassmaster // Skippy you know what i mean.. ;)

Anyways, I am 100% it is not hardware issue and can be fixed.. One could maybe mail the guy who made Camera JB+ and ask him how/what he did to reduce black clipping and people could look into it more until its fixed..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
well if it is as you say then Samsung is seriously slacking on fixing this
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
You realized that now?..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kiroileva_fossiili:
For me that camera jb+ don't help at all.. How does it show the gamma test image for you? Its as bad as before for me:( Thinking about selling my note and buying some other phone. I have tested all
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
what do you see?

before selling your note go here: http://developer.samsung.com/forum/...alB&messageId=217922&startId=zzzzz~&curPage=2 and post your answer and explain the situation. They are ignoring us. Clients that paid with good money for a not good device.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] soulhouf_w:
I had the black clipping issue on stock GB and after on CM9. 2days ago I installed stock ics and had 3 OTA updates then no more black clipping.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
http://dl.project-voodoo.org/screen-tests/ if you want, test for us. copy\download the near black images and tell us what do you see (in a dark room);)

(should be a perfect fade to black or, at same point, totally black)

which "ics" have you installed?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] soulhouf_w:
With stock gallery totally black from 1 to 3 then a perfect fade

With es viewer totally black from 1 to 3 then the same grey from 4 to 7 then another grey from 8 to 11....

I use android 4.04
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
so you can barely see 4 and 5?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] soulhouf_w:
I can see clearly 4 and 5
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
ah ok so like on my device (and many other) , clipping it's reduced by ics but not solved...thanks for test;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] soulhouf_w:
With mx player Its true that when i pay attention i can see some Little gray pixels on dark scenes but nothing like the odd big grey pixels that i had before.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
Does any of these players people have named in this thread have a gamma setting?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
I use MX Video Player. It does not have adjustable gamma settings...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
All levels from 4 onwards were visible on my side. Never used Gingerbread, though. The problem is with 1, 2 and 3 - which are all black.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
Has anyone ever flashed the Bravia Engine Mod? I believe that that should fix or a large improvement on the black clipping. If only we could have rendering all the time and not only in gallery as I believe it only does..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bhatia.mani:
better but not fully OK

i was using stock ICS with stock kernel and i could see 4 onwards,

Then i switched to philz kernel but remained on stock ICS, i could see 5 onwards (quality dropped)

Then i switched to Speedmod kernel, remained on stock ICS and woula: quality increased. i con see 3 and onwards.

Still 0,1,2 remains a problem
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
I sent a mail to the developer of JB camera and he told me that he did not change any parameters of the original jelly bean gallery.

So the mistery still remains:P
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Original JB gallery... == Google's code, not Sammy's... :(

Sent from my Galaxy Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
yes but this confirm the sw side of this problem...or not?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
What do you think?

It confirms it!

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
i think that 99% of this issue is sw related. The problem still remain "will samsung fix it?"

we only could wait for Jb or Supercurio's display expert.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
Could you if possible ask him if those parameters could be changed to on the stock Samsung Gallery?

Or/And how we could find those parameters on our phone so we could try changing the values or whatever until we fix it ourselves.

By the time we find and fix the reason behind this we will all have a Galaxy Note 3..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
Its actually a hardware issue, last gen samoleds have this issue reported. We cant correct it with the codes. The only solution is to raise the brightness to an extent where its not prominent. It only does problem while watching movies. While playing games its not even there.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
If you install JB+ camera, using it's gallery viewer you can clearly see up to 1 in gamma test image.

All the images shown is better than in stock gallery. So it's NOT ONLY an HW ISSUE! Why do you insist in every thread?

How do you explain this huge difference?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Really? Install ShadowGun Dead Zone. In the main menu, you can notice black splotches... regardless of the brightness.

Sent from my Galaxy Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] fl4r3:
I thought it's not about seeing numbers all the way down to 1, it's about getting a good fade to black. For example on my monitor there is a nice fade to black from 10 to 1 when I look at the reference image, with 4 being the last number I can make out clearly and 3 if I look hard enough. However on my Note there are clear differences between each number and no smooth fade.

It should be more like what Soulhouf described with stock gallery (although I've never got my Note to look like that):
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
if you look at this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVqs70N3KeM you can see that it's not necessary a perfect fade to black to solve black clipping. (not totally)

Anyway if there is a perfect fade to black is better...no arguing on that. ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
Just for make you more angry: in JB+ gallery even the blue effects of when you try to slide at the end of the gallery is displayed correctly!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
My LCD monitor can also display all the levels correctly, with the gray fading smoothly...

We need not *only that*... but also gamma calibration so 1-4 can become gray :)

Sent from my Galaxy Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
Try to take a screenshot of calculator...then view the image in stock gallery. Then in JB gallery. O.O
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
I'm not gonna do that. But I think I know what you're reffering to. The gradients (fading blue) on the edge of the calculator screen...? I know they're ****ed up :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
exactly...it's much, much better!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
So software code on specific hardware causes black clipping and not on other hardware, interesting.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Exactly!

I'm not saying the hardware is not guilty here. All I'm saying is that we can decrease the black clipping effect with proper software and reduce its level to one of much lower signifiance.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] fl4r3:
That's quite an interesting video (bit long but nice since it has side by side comparisons).

The question is whether we can change anything. I haven't checked the JB gallery since I gave up on the issue long before JB leaked (waiting since the initial release of the note) ...but will check next time I change roms again (I.e. tomorrow).
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kiroileva_fossiili:
Some time ago I wondered why JB+ camera didn't help me at all. It was because I was on JB already and it is the same as JB original gallery. I was running paranoidandroid utacka and it somehow ****ed it up. Now I flashed blackcna and the gammatest looks not much better but different. Dark pictures look still really bad, but a little bit better.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
Try this one;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rivan_92:
So, been like a couple hours since we last talked about this issue? Have we find any fix yet? ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
I want a fix for that so badly, Samsung please fixit on kernel level!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Samsung ain't around here. They're busy clubbing, I guess.

Sent from my Galaxy Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] zai89:
No, they're busy creat another lie.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Actually, they're busy developing new devices... like the Galaxy 8", which is a failure if you ask me. Capacitive buttons and a hard home key on a device that big...? Come on.

Anyway. The update for the Note should roll out the next week. If it doesn't happen, Sammy's really failing here. I'm pretty sure it will, though. But if it doesn't... f*** them. Lol.

So, all questions will finally get an answer : did they fix the black clipping or not?

And if they didn't... that's it. Bye-bye Note 1, welcome Xperia Z :) .
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
they are here

Skynet to, but thats a different story.

their business model is fast new functional devices, their momentum is geared towards that. Everyone is always looking for the newest, faster, etc. I like that, but it comes with a price.

Our expectations of them is to high in regard of device longlivety. We expect our devices to last longer,while within a moment they are obsolete as the next best thing is already there. This is where they will either make it or brake it, as making a good consumable(faster replacements etc) they cant continue with high prices. Nobody, most people cant afford keeping up with the newest models, that they want us to buy. Its a tricky and devastating path to follow, as its whats lead to the crisis, greed, more profit, etc.

They are also feeling their efforts stretched pretty thin, especially with all the different and diversified devices, entropy learns us that cant be managed wel, not with keeping devices up to date with bugfixes and newest Os. This is also a android issue, as the os and applications is to much hardware dependent, their not easily interchangeble as within an apps code is how thr hardware is used, which is stupid, that should be on a sublayer below even the OS gui layer making it gui-less dependant. Android has yet to be designed for that.

Only way Samsung can keep us hapoy who cant switch easy and fast between devices is opening ng up their platform in such a way the developer public can continue where Samsung cannot as their business model is not directed to it :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
Well i never have any glitches and my note is from the initial batches and has only seen the clipping when watching videos in low brightness. Else the black is always pure black. No clipping on stock rom. I played shadow gun and no glitches in it. Sorry maybe my observations are different thats why i am saying it could be due to a difference in HW in different distos...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
simply watch this images (near black) in a dark room. http://dl.project-voodoo.org/screen-tests/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] zviki:
Well,on MX player with software rendering is picture better than with hardware rendering and it also depends on picture/video resolution and quality.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
http://developer.samsung.com/forum/...eneralB&startId=00v0k~&startPage=2&curPage=4
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
with the new version of mx player and software rendering...way better!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
i'm the OP oh this thread:silly:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
I always watch videos with MX Player, but with H/W decoding. I always felt like the S/W decoding was sluggish and the quality was not as good... has anything changed?

So, you say S/W decoding on MX Player does a better job when it comes to dark grays? Now that would be a fix for watching videos :) somewhat.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hardtheory:
i can confirm that with mx player it's better but laggish
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
I tried to play the same video with both H/W and S/W decoding and the black clipping was the same... :/

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hardtheory:
Weil maybe just placebo effect :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
S/W and H/W decoding has the same effect
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
my fault...i left the automatic brightness on. Hw and sw, same performance.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Brightness level doesn't affect the black clipping. Ambiental light does, though, affect your perception of it : for example, bright sunlight around you...

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
i know i know, but if you watch a video with high brightness your eyes see less clipping (that is still there).

anyway with sw decoding is less perceptible...i don't know why.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
Well i have been saying and saying that its just a brightness issue.

Amoleds are made to display true black by shutting the pixel, those pixels showing black doesnt glow giving us a true black, which is not a color but darkness. While watching movies, the black in the movie is not rendered as dark spots but rather is the black perceived by the lens or given a black color via the computer software. Those areas showing such black results in clipping. So its not software issue, its this display hardware designed like this. So we have to tolerate it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
So...why some devices doesn't show this issue?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
There is no note that doesnt have this issue. I initially thought my phone is a good one, but ehen i researched it, i figured thats its only prominent when i am in night mode. Besides that there is no clipping on my phone and this clipping is only in movies. Didnt notice it while playing games. But some people here are reporting that they have this issue even while playing games like shadow gun.

I also examined other notes and all have this same issue. But the thing to worry is that some show clipping even at high brightness. So those saying that their devices are free from this actually didnt notice this thing
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
bla bla bla, its software issue and its everywhere, not only in the movies. Some grey colours are displayed too light. The screen is fine as it displays correctly the battery icon while phone is off and charging, and couple of seconds later the grey colours are all messed out again on the same screen. Samsung must provide a fix.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
Delete, please.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
What logic is this?

Since when is dark gray... black?

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Download ShadowGun Dead Zone. Launch it. NOTICE THE BLACK CLIPPING.

Download some naked girls pics and try to please yourself at night with them : notice how where there are blacks / darker colors, such as in their hair, it starts to clip? I'm sorry, but I must be explicit in order for people to understand it properly.

Be indoors, NO WHERE NEAR a spotlight :rolleyes: .

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So, by your logic... black clipping in a movie, but not in games / pictures = HARDWARE ISSUE?!

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Oh and above all... have you ever had more than one lock screen image?

You know the stock TouchWiz ICS ROM/s... you know how the lockscreen image goes dim as you slide your finger across it in order to unlock the phone... Well... clipping occurs on pictures that are set as lockscreen wallpapers, because the lockscreen makes them dim / changes the colors to a darker spectrum when the unlocking animation occurs... Hell, I should not have to explain this.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
push comes to shove if it was pure software it would show up on other devices, so why does it on our hardware software combo. same code running on different hardware. This hardware has those issues. Kinda chicken and egg story really.

Also, noone has been able to solve this pure software wise, and some pretty talented people have had a crack at it. Including Samsung.

Its definately hardware, you cant rule that out, no matter how hard you try, it can be remedied/softened in part with software, however taking history into account, dont count on it being truely fixed by a software fix ever. There is still hope thought.

Another explanation was the grey areas and speed to change those greys that is causing it. It was an interesting explanation.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] razorhanny:
It's definetely hardware, but I'm not worried about it anymore.

The common man isn't aware of this, so when I sell my GNote in a couple months it won't affect the selling price...

(just like samsung did to us in the first place)

can't wait to be able to take pictures at night and show them right after, without feeling embarassed by this display...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
yeah its kinda weird such an issue got throught quality control. Hope Samsung reads this, lol.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
It is hardware related, alright. But it is also software related, and the software side CAN be fixed, so we can soften the black clipping. It's still better than nothing :) .

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Samsung's not gonna read this. They're not reading on their Samsung Developers boards... they're busy clubbing :rolleyes: .
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
clubbin is cool, karaoke also, wonder if thats big in Korea, anyways

I still have hope, but am pessimistic about it
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
U cant make the video cam captured black a true black and ot will produce clipping, u call it dark gray or whatever, u can simply fill different shades of back on ur s memo and see it on variable brightness. Shades of black show clipping while true black on amoleds are produced by shutting that pixel, rather than projecting.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Yeah, I think we all know how OLED displays handle the black color.

But... the pixels aren't really shut when displaying black. Go into a dark room and display a full black image. Wait for a few seconds. Notice the brown`ish tint? And the black splotches...?

Now, this doesn't have anything to do with the black clipping. The same behavior is found on the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S3, Galaxy Note 2... everything with an AMOLED screen.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
"Yes, I have received the answer.

This issue is not a matter of firmware or display, so it cannot be resolved in any further upgrade.

Please remember that we are supporting developers, so in that kind of issues you should contact the end-user support, because they are out of our scope.

Regards,

Krzysztof Bobinski

Samsung Developers"

no comment, Samsung, you suck ass
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Were you honestly expecting something else? I wasn't.

The surface improvement options in CM10 (such as fix color banding and blur - whatever that means... cause I haven't seen any blur :/ ) seem to have fixed the banding on grays for me. Play Store looks much better now.

The same can be achieved for the black clipping - at least partially. But Samsung has decided that is nothing of importance. Just as they decided to upgrade the Galaxy Tab 7.7 (which has the exact SoC as our Note) and S2 Plus or Advance or whatever to 4.2.1 (our Note won't get that!).

Marketing... I hate that department :) .
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
well, they said that the update is on its way soI believed them. Cm10 is not for me so I'm going to take my phone as it is new and on warranty to replace the screen. I've read that someone did this and now his note is black clipping free :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
we should all go to change our screen.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Why? To get another one with black clipping?

Sent from my Galaxy Note powered by Chasmodo's Asylum
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borich:
No, for change it, again and again until we will have a correctly calibrated one.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Formhault:
Better yet. When you go to their sh*tty service, show them this.

I'm gonna try it, after next week. I don't have the warranty certificate... but I think they have warranty on the IMEI, too (like Nokia does). If a cr*ppy company like Nokia has this, I'm sure the almighty Samsung has, too :rolleyes: .
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
I've read that some guy got a good display so I'll try it myself. I have two phones at the moment, so I'll go back to my s2, luckily I did not sold it yet :D

btw. I think we should send this information to those sites that informed us about the fix that samsung was working on. People should know that samsung has done **** in this case.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] zviki:
I don't remember but was this problem from the beginning(GB)? On hi-def movies? BTW,my screen was changed because of some burned-in effects and black clipping is still there. I don't remember very well but I think that on my original display and with GB the things was OK, except low-res movies.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edgarson:
it was since the beginning, but not on all displays, so it is possible your old display was free of this issue. :)