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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yeah the Android tablet market needed a shot in the arm and Google used the 7 to give it that, they still probably could of used something better though, I mean the dual core version of our chipset smokes the Tegra, and it's such a common chipset, can't imagine it would of cost much more. Honestly I think it's because it was originally supposed to be an Asus budget tablet, and Google pretty much just took it, removed the sd slot and rear camera, added a front camera, and slapped aosp jelly bean on it and called it a day. I mean its pretty much my understanding that right after ces last year google met with Asus and they transformed the Memo370T into the Nexus 7 into a matter of 4 months.

Still tegra is capable of running jelly bean better, I think it just needs patched, probably rushed to make the nexus 4 and 10 launch and obviously with this phones beastly hardware it doesn't skip a beat with it. Lol 4.2 is kind of the windows vista of the Android world!
[Nexus 4 General] martin_secretary:
I don't understand why you guys are comparing the performance of the nexus 7 vs the other 2. The price is almost half of the nexus 4 and 10 and it was also introduced a few months before them, obviously it wont be as smooth.

If the nexus 7 performed as well as the 4 and 10 you guys would be complaining that the 4 and 10 are overpriced....
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
How many people were sold on the nexus 7 because of project butter alone? Then you get instant updates and raw android it was a no Brainer for me. I get sick of people bringing up price with it, just because its $200 doesn't mean it has to perform like an original galaxy tab. And no its not that bad, just saying the ui lag sucks.

At any rate google claimed a lag free buttery experience, and thats the real issue, price is irrelevant. I can forgive the fact that the nexus 4 opens apps quicker, but can't forgive the fact that animations get choppy, it takes 5-10 seconds to rotate, the power button takes 5 seconds to load up, keyboard lags on google now, etc that point is project butter went to hell and people have a right to be upset.

And regardless of what anyone thinks, the whole nexus line should be using the same chipset family. Right now you got a Qualcomm, a NVidia, and a Samsung architecture, 3 chipsets unrelated to one another, and quite frankly ridiculous. Its like if Microsoft made 3 Xboxes with 3 different chipsets and claimed they were all Xboxes. Every game you'd buy for one might not work on the other!
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Perhaps the intention was to demonstrate the ability of Android to work on alomst any hardware.

Just out of curiosity, does rooting the N7 and adding a custom ROM/kernel help with lag and stutter at all?
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I'm using clean rom and it does help as long as you reboot at least once a day. Just shut it off when you charge it, it should help
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Me either. I love my nexus 7, it's exactly what I expected it to be after reading the one page feature and spec list before I bought it.
[Nexus 4 General] issak42:
Lol, exactly what I thought 2 pages after your post :D
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I am failing to understand this "nexus 7 is cheap so it's okay for a system update to rape responsiveness even though it was advertised at launch as a lag free tablet, but hey its cheap so it's okay" logic. Pure Rubbish logic is what its called! And false advertising!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c1GevffEo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

"We declared a war on laginess" - Matias Duarte

So there you have it. Laggy nexus 7 = false advertising!
[Nexus 4 General] Ibsonic:
Guys, the Bluetooth bug is fixed in the next release.. Its been confirmed .

Verstuurd van mijn Nexus 4 met Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 General] jarjar124:
This was posted already lol
[Nexus 4 General] martin_secretary:
It's laggy because Asus cheaps out on the storage device. The Transformer Prime was double the price and had an even slower storage leading me to selling it a month after I got it. Too bad Google didnt demand a faster flash drive, but I guess they would have missed the $200 price point.
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
Yep that's the whole reason it's slow, when I try to make a cwm backup it seems like it takes forever to finish.
[Nexus 4 General] Michealtbh:
Just thought I'd leave this here. Lots of users are having problems with the camera's auto focus so I've filed a bug report

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=43153&thanks=43153&ts=1359017856

Please star this if you suffer from the auto focus problem. Hopefully it gets fixed for the 4.2.2 release
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I can get behind that, it's a known fact pre 4.1.2 that the nexus 7 got laggy when 5 gigs of space or less remains on the device, as actually an issue supposedly addressed in 4.1.2

But honestly in this case I think it is purely software. 4.2 has its quirks on every device it runs on. The nexus 10 has hardware that makes the Tegra 3 look like a graphing calculator and yet it has lag issues, our phones hardware is enough to keep 4.2 buttery but benchmarks don't lie and the Optimus G that's rocking skinned ics 4.03 and the exact same hardware out benchmarks the nexus 4 by quite a bit. But still we got battery life woes and bluetooth just doesn't work right on any device with 4.2.

4.2 is like when the first version of cyanogenmod arrives on a device where everything is working but none of the issues have been sorted out yet. Yeah its technically good enough to be a daily driver but not ready for prime time!
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
4.2.2 better fix some of the slow down. In the mean time.e most of the custom kernels have fixed the lag and drop in benchmarks and battery life. I'm getting 5-5.5 hours screen time on mobile data with both trinity and Franco and they seem to only lose 1-2% at idle after 8 hours or so. Plenty good for me though I wish a phone design goal with android was 7ish hours on screen time. Right now only the razr maxx and note 2 achieve that, neither of which is on 4.2

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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I really don't get why they didn't put a bigger battery in this thing, the razr hd has damn near the same diminsions!
[Nexus 4 General] jarjar124:
That's Motorola.. This is lg lol
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
Yeah but this one has 800 charge cycles compared to the standard 400 or so you'll get with a Motorola battery.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Because it cost $350

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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yeah because batteries cost sooo much. It has the exact same battery as the Optimus G, a phone that costs twice as much
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
So it has a battery of a phone that costs twice as much so we should be happy we got a deal :D

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[Nexus 4 General] wilsonlam97:
Motorola = Google:laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Not quite. Google = Google. Google simply owns Motorola. Also, it only has for a few months. The current Motorola phones have had no input from Google. Also, Motolorla still hasn't fulfilled all of it's pre-sale obligations.
[Nexus 4 General] CMNein:
Google has been very hands off, I wonder if that will change?

I'm glad that Altria (Phillip Morris) was equally hands off with my Velveeta mac and cheese, lest they increase the tar and nicotine content.
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
That actually made me lol. Have a thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I'm just saying, batteries don't cost ****. A 3000 mah battery probably would only add pennies to the cost. The thing is the so called advantage of a built in battery is that a larger size battery can be fitted in as the removable compartment takes up more space. But what's the point of making it non removable if you're just going to put in a 2100mah. Doesn't the galaxy s3 have the same size battery in its removable bay?

The nexus 7 is $100 less and has a 4000mah battery, so price has nothing to do with it

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Actually too iirc the galaxy nexus had an extended battery that was 2200mah that didn't add much extra bulk. Theres plenty of room for a bigger battery.

Overall I hate the concept of built in batteries, it makes the device disposable. But what choice do I have? The whole friggen tech industry is moving to built in batteries now!

My laptop is 3 years old, the battery died, what did I do? Got on amazon and bought a new one, good as new. In 3 years I suppose I'll just have to throw this stuff in the trash.
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Or you could remove 2 screws and replace the battery. :gasp:
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yeah you didn't see the tear down report. Removing the battery destroys the antenna!
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Oh, there's always a way around it. They can replace them at the factory.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Well at any rate it's been proven that these 2100mah batteries can get more power with the Snapdragon S4pro so hopefully google addresses it
[Nexus 4 General] Simmo3D:
I really wish someone could invent a battery that charges instantly or within a few minutes. They can still be 2000mAh or whatever but if it charged instantly it would be far less of an issue and inconvenience.

Battery tech really needs a breakthrough soon. I know new processors are more power efficient but batteries need to move to the 21st century too
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
They need to perfect power cells.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
I'd love to just fill up my phone with a can of butane.

Sent from my often RMA'd Nexus 4, So that I can use the one I'm using now when I get the 6th and hopefully final one.
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
someone needs to invent "wifi charging":p:D
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Long distance power was invented ages ago. Unfortunately, it was unsafe and impractical. Ever heard of a Tesla coil?
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
That would be sweet. :thumbup:

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Did u see that David Blaine New York stunt he did with Tesla Coils?

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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I've been thinking about battery technology alot lately too and how there hasn't been a breakthrough in years. Imo lithium batteries have ran there course probably for about 5 years now yet no one cares about trying to find a new technology. We really need something these days that puts out 5000mah at half the size of a 1500mah lithium battery but it just doesn't exist. Come on scientists do your thing for crying out loud! Especially with electric cars you'd think it would be a bigger priority to replace these lackluster lithium batteries but it just isn't
[Nexus 4 General] Mi|enko:
There may not have been any huge breakthroughs as far as batteries in cell phones are concerned, but the Mars rover has a nuclear battery. To me, that's a pretty significant jump in battery tech. Just gotta commercialize it.
[Nexus 4 General] Eddiepapi:
Here you go,

http://m.tgdaily.com/mobility-featu...ery-technology-promises-ten-times-longer-life
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
That would rock. I know recently I asked the question "why aren't their Lithium ion recharchable AA's". So I did some research and the bottom line is if they made one, it would probably only put out 500 or less mah compared to the 2600mah nimh batteries. Right now no doubt lithium is the best tech for mobile devices because it never builds up a memory and can be recharged alot more than nimh, but the drawback is they can't hold the capacity a nimh can.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
Huge strides are being made in lithium polymer batteries, just not as much in the capacity. They already have some that charge very fast, and some can be charged up to 10000 times. Not to mention they are less volatile and don't decay like lithium ion batteries, nor do they require a certain shape like lithium ion do.

I didn't click on that link but I know some Korean university came up with a flexible material that holds 10x the capacity as lithium ion and is made out of more common materials that are less toxic. I read it would take some years for them to reach the market as they need considerable more investment and testing.

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[Nexus 4 General] CMNein:
Precisely, battery technology is pushed to its limits far up stream of the cell phone. We just have to be patient. Setting out to design a revolutionary, never seen before, game changing battery for something like a phone would all but guarantee failure. Applications with an absolute, limitless budget, need for a better battery have to absorb the costs of R/D before a dinky little cell phone maker can utilize and adapt it.

Battery capacity right now is limited by how big of a Li-Po battery you want to cram in a phone, and what concessions you make at the kernel/OS, etc... level.
[Nexus 4 General] atulalvenkar:
There are lots of breakthroughs in battery tech but it's still mostly in research stage. We won't see any new stuff coming unless someone develops method to mass produce batteries with new tech.

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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yeah well I guess we had to put up with those terrible terrible nickel cadmium batteries in the 80s and 90s forever. Took 24 hours to charge only to get a half hour of battery life in the end. Li-ions were amazing when they came out. You saw battery life skyrocket on cell phones and mobile devices. It's because of li-ion that cell phones really took off.

Before lithium, you were better off buying disposable batteries if you had the option. nickel metal hydride was better, but plagued by memory issues if you don't let them discharge completely and recharge fully every time
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
I don't know the costs but given the size of components, if the n4 wasn't so cheap they probably could have put a larger battery and more power amplifiers in the design and given us a couple more hours of screen time. One of the iphones ways of getting good battery life is the use of power amplifiers. If the 5 were as thick as the 4s it would still be smaller than our phone and they could fit a 2200+ mah battery in there.

Aside from batteries themselves, phone makers need to come up with something other than massive high PPI screens. For me, even a bezel less 5 inch phone is just too big to navigate easily. I don't really consider the note 2 a phone... More like a PDA with the ability to make calls. Without pen tile there's no need for anything higher than 300-320ppi. I would actually love to see another 4 inch android phone but at 720p and a well calibrated screen. Less pixels usually means less power consumption. That new screen tech that utilizes ambient light will help and more r and d into screen efficiency is needed. Since the screen is the biggest power consumer by far, that can have almost as big of an effect at the battery itself.

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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I can't say it enough but I am so sick of the large screen trend. 4.5 is perfect!
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Could you guys please stay on topic. This is a thread about the next software update and not about the next hardware.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Should of kept opinions of fingernails quiet.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I got this thread off topic talking about the nexus 7 and battery tech, sorry. Anyway who am I kidding, the battery size isn't the issue with the nexus 4, the Optimus G and droid dna have the same chipset and similar battery capacities yet are reporting excellent battery life. The difference with the nexus 4 is 4.2.

People like to doubt the issue but its been proven in reviews and if your like me with 2 devices running 4.2, I also saw a massive decline on my Nexus 7s battery life too! Unchecking the option to "report from this device" in your location settings gives you a lot of that battery drain back but it gimps google now, and I didn't have any problems with battery drain on my Nexus 7 with 4.1 installed and the report from this device option checked.

Honestly 4.2.1 should of addressed the issue. I was pretty pissed when I got the update hoping it would kill the newfound lag on my n7 and give me my battery life back only to find all they did was fix the December bug and call it a day!

They should of had the performance and battery life issues fixed after the first week, instead hear we are going on 3 months and 4.2 is still a mess. I haven't tried out bluetooth but I heard its jacked on all 3 nexus devices.

So they need to get that patch rolling soon! It already been to long!
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
This ^^^

I use a Phillips Fidelio with Bluetooth for music and it works perfect. I need to try out a bluetooth headset to try to use my Bluetooth to talk through in a phone call still though.

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[Nexus 4 General] Devildog78965:
Is there 4.2.2 and then I'm rooted and custom recovery how would I update?

My nexus 4 is about 20% cooler than yours
[Nexus 4 General] jarjar124:
not yet.
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
either go back to stock ROM & recovery and OTA update or wait for someone to make a cwm/twrp flashable zip of the update
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I got an Ipod nano for christmas otherwise I would be complaining about the bluetooth issues too. I got a cheap arctic sound stereo bluetooth headset I use for music, never tried it on my Nexus since I've been using the Ipod with it. Great headset for $25, I did some pretty extensive research before I bought it.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Just bought a pair of Rocketfish RF-MAB2 on celltraderonline.com for $20. Its a website that took place for the now disbanded xda marketplace.

I'll let u guys know how it turns out.

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[Nexus 4 General] chrisgtl:
Just saw another 3-4 unread pages on this thread and thought ooooh 4.2.2 is close.

Turned out to be pages of battery talk and tablet talk. Nice! TY
[Nexus 4 General] stejoo:
Thanks for the summary. Prevented me from reading back a couple of pages. :)
[Nexus 4 General] monkeying. around:
Hasn't it been confirmed that googles I/O event will occur on May the 15th - 17th?

That is when we will see the new K version of android OS. No need waiting around for news.
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Would be nice if we could get the bug fixes before that.
[Nexus 4 General] Devildog78965:
Well I called Google last night about this and the rep said the updates for 4.2.2 are already rolling out in other countries and do the us we will get it in a month to 2 months

But the update does help with BATTERY! So that's what I got from the rep.
[Nexus 4 General] drpepe:
Pull the other one :D
[Nexus 4 General] Simmo3D:
What number did u call?
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I wouldn't trust reps, they only know what Google wants them to know.
[Nexus 4 General] thebryceee:
Buzz killer!

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[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
We'll get the next update when Google is ready to give it to us and not a moment before.

If it is in 4 months that is only 1248 more charge cycles on the 2-hour battery life. Suck it up.
[Nexus 4 General] bla_laber:
I also think this isn't true at all - why would they roll out the update in some countries and wait several month for the rest of us?

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[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
only reason I can think of is to kill off lte for the FCC.
[Nexus 4 General] alcurtis93:
Go on a custom kernel. 5 hours screen on time for me with 1 day and bit use
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Even on 3G I doubt it.
[Nexus 4 General] upstandingcitizen:
Try messing about for a while. I get this easily on Jelly Beer and Franco Kernel. LIVE DANGEROUSLY!
[Nexus 4 General] Devildog78965:
I called normal Google play store number also she said because there sending it to Brazil because the us ones have did stuff or something
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Well that was helpful...
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Umm Thank u :confused:

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[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
Same here. I have no issues at all with battery life. I'm on Franco kernel, btw. Actually, I've never had battery life like this on ANY smart phone. The only time I have a problem with battery life is when I have a poor signal over 3g. However, that would mean about 4 hours of screen time. While on WiFi, with airplane mode enabled, I can achieve 6 hours + of screen time. I always have an extension connected via CSipSimple, too.

These screen shots were taken with about 34% battery life available, and no, the phone wasn't just sitting there with the screen on. The display is set to turn off after a minute. Anyway, I'm anxiously waiting for 4.2.2.
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
hmmm, I wonder if the newly restocked N4's will ship with 4.2.2...?
[Nexus 4 General] casonswag:
I was thinking that to and would the be rev12 models?
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
Unless a specific need for a 1.2 version has come about, they'll still be v1.1
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
The rev12's have already been released

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[Nexus 4 General] klvnhng:
According to the Wireless Power Consortium, rev 12 exists: http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/products/details/210/mobile-phone
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
Unless they are using completely new hardware component that require different drivers, they will not require an update. And it is highly unlikely they are.
[Nexus 4 General] Roni1979:
I think it will be a good time, if the N4 is available around the world, that before shipping of the new ones the roll out of 4.2.2 will come along. I hope that within the next days roll out starts! :highfive:
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
It would be pretty unusual for Google to ship devices with a new firmware that hasn't been released. In general they never do that unless the update is required for the phone to work properly.
[Nexus 4 General] colapro:
Sv: 4.2.2 Update ??

What's the difference between rev 11 and rev 12? My states that it is a rev 11 in the fastboot menu.
[Nexus 4 General] jarturoar:
Senator hemsmun

We have been waiting for that update for a long time, taking into consideration that we have wifi issues and the wakelock battery hell I honestly feel that the phone was released half backed :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] Nexonian:
No such issues here... :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Red Wolf:
Hopefully they will release soon
[Nexus 4 General] Roni1979:
AW: 4.2.2 Update ??

No thats not what I meant. I know that all N4 which will be shipped now have the same Version as we have now 4.2.1, but a lot of New customers and they would appreciate a New Update and they will have no bugs anymore

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[Nexus 4 General] mysterioustko:
That isn't next.

Out of curiosity, if you had it, what would you check to see is fixed?

:D

;)
[Nexus 4 General] chrisgtl:
Do you know something we don't?
[Nexus 4 General] mysterioustko:
Depends on what you know. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] chrisgtl:
I know nothing, spill mr.
[Nexus 4 General] expertzero1:
Well the roadmap was leaked today well earlier. 5.0 aka K or key lime pie will be announced at Google IO in may
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
Agree. Also bt headset is almost useless with this Android version. With my Note 2 running 4.1.2 I can use it without any issues. With Nexus 4 people can't hear a **** I am saying.
[Nexus 4 General] uio88:
Last version on user agent si JDQ29C...the update si very very near :D
[Nexus 4 General] bla_laber:
why is this an indicator?
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
Link?
[Nexus 4 General] maddoggin:
Never mind that was weird. Seems to be fixed tho
[Nexus 4 General] expertzero1:
It was removed by Qualcomm lol. So its legit. Check androidoolice , blog post is removed thougj