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[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

The question is, let say 30million units been sold last year. In that 30million how many been made with 0xf1. My cousin just bought this last Jan 20 when I saw it, it's also the affected chips.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok so your cousin just bought an S3 on January 20th with the affected chip so they are still selling them right? (OXF1)

did he purchase new or 2nd hand? Thanks I'm just trying to find out if all gt-I9300 16gb came with the affected chip unless someone knows?
[Galaxy S III General] Ghost Ops:
I bought a new S3 a week back, with firmware 0xf7. :o
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Purchase date cannot be correlated with manufacturing date.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I'm just trying to figure out how many OXF1 chips are out there out of those 30 million units but it seems it really doesn't matter cause some phones with affected chip die and some don't/haven't

Galaxy S3

Omega Rom V37
[Galaxy S III General] ponepo:
More "haven't" than "don't" ;)

I think that, without fix, all the 0xf1 would die sooner or later.
[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

He purchased it new good thing it has samsung warranty (mine dnt have f*ck). I'm saying this cause I can't imagine how many 0xf1 were been build coz still now some shops still selling this affected unit.
[Galaxy S III General] eRPeeX:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

?? I did. From new to old bootloader.
[Galaxy S III General] EViollet:
He meant that we don't have the source code for the bootloader. So it can't be modified.

All we can do is flash different bootloader versions, but not chnage them.

Regards,
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Thanks Manu.

Yes, this is what I meant. We can flash different bootloaders but we cannot change the properties of a single bootloader to act differently.
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I opened the camara to shoot some craxy act's of my kitten,after shooting two.shots,device screen offed immediately,so power button,middle button,volume up and down not working(+back button and menu button)

So I removed the battery and re insert

The battety,device started no problems yet.

And shooted photos not saved.

Is that a sign of S.D????? :(:(:(:(:(
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
of your kitten ... ?:D

-=-=-

no , camera or Rom issues ... where does camera saves your photos ? internal or external ?
[Galaxy S III General] EViollet:
No.

It's just the internet telling you there are WAY too many pictures and videos of cats already...

:D
[Galaxy S III General] sgaduuw:
I have an S3 with a 0xF1 eMMC firmware.

I have been using CM 10 and 10.1 for some time and I have not experienced any real problems stability wise. Just to see how stock was holding up, I have recently switched (using CWM) from CM 10.1 to one of roalex' stock based roms XXELLA first, XXEMA2 shortly after.

XXELLA was unstable for me, random full lockups that sometimes happened after only a few minutes, sometimes it would last a few hours.

Upgrading to XXEMA2 helped stability wise, but not 100%, so I decided to try Perseus-alpha32 kernel (default settings).

I had a full lockup this morning and a few near-misses during the day. The near misses make me think (guess) there is some I/O based stuff timing out or taking a long time. I am guessing this, because to me the symptoms are almost like a linux server going through a heavy I/O load.

I have tried an fsck on my block devices if there are any bad blocks on my eMMC but fsck returned 0 bad blocks for all block devices.

I am wondering if my problems are related to the Sudden Death problems, or if it is something else entirely.

How can I further debug the cause of the lockups of my S3?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Its hard to say as we don't know for sure. It certainly could be related, yes.

Given it's believed the SDS failure is triggered by writing data to the eMMC, I'm surprised you'd flash ROMs (write data) using an unsafe recovery if you were concerned about SDS :eek:
[Galaxy S III General] sgaduuw:
Well, I am not really a regular to these forums. Until I experienced lockups, I didn't know about the SDS problems. Had I known, I would have flashed a safe recovery first.

Oh well, I'll see if I can live with a random lockup now and then, otherwise I'll tell my boss to claim warranty :)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Might be worth having a look at these posts in this thread too:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1993044&page=412

From that page onwards, look for posts (or quotes) of Rob222. Says some interesting things about lock ups.
[Galaxy S III General] DualJoe:
Are there any statistics/polls about how many people actually have the VTU00M/0xf1 eMMC or how that firmware is spread across the different devices (16GB, 32GB, intl..)? I'm wondering if affected devices are a majority or minority.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok so the new bootloader could possibly prevent SDS in download mode but do we still know it's not needed otherwise...? I am trying to keep my counter at 0 and system status official and so I have downgraded to an ICS bootloader because it plays nice with TA but I do reset my phone after every charge or so to clear memory. I am just wondering how safe I am running old bootloader hopefully someone is looking into this I guess only time will tell any input much appreciated thanks
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

There's no stats but its a minority. Only 16GB versions of the gt-i9300 are affected. Only a small number have failed
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If you dont use download mode, you're fine. I use an ics bootloader
[Galaxy S III General] gadgetcraze:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I use download mode to check the status of counters after I flash a new rom. Does flashing in download mode harm or merely booting into download mode can do the damage?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Best to assume the worst. Don't boot into it until your phone starts showing symptoms :)
[Galaxy S III General] DualJoe:
If there are no stats there is no minority either.

I'm wondering why there is no poll already. Important to know would be who (of the 16GB owners) has the firmware (yes/no) and on what production date. Its about the potential not the failure itself..
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yep,white little kitty. ;)

Saves on internel memory.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
If you have an ICS bootloader, use triangle away and you never need to check the status in Download mode.

There was a poll. People just lied in it so I had it removed. Polls are useless when you need accurate answers. Not sure why we need to know what you want. Feel free to create your own poll somewhere though.
[Galaxy S III General] invinciblecc:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I m on xxela sotmax And philosophy recovery Yanks kernel

And I have a nandroid of my stock JB xxdlk1 can i restore that nandroid in case i have to claim warranty

Will this also flash my bootloader to old one without bricking my device

sotmax yank zram 650 swap 1gb jkay acid mod
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
No. Nandroid doesn't backup bootloader.
[Galaxy S III General] Nivalam:
According to samsung patch (i can't put the link because it's my first post :/), the date of the affected firmware must be 13/04/2012 :

if (date != 0x20120413) {
err = -1;
return err;
}

You can check the date with the last version of eMMC Brickbug Check.

So if the date of your eMMC chip is different than 04/2012 you don't have to worry even if you have the VTU00M (0xF1) chip.

Please update the first post.
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
Nivalam:

Thats wrong cause you mix firmware date with production date....

BR

Rob
[Galaxy S III General] ivan4o5:
If anyone wants to have a look at the code ----->

https://github.com/cyanogenmod/andr...mmit/da8461692362317a8ffce4d4646953985fcf4e1d
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
We've seen the code.

However, the date given by the eMMC Brick bug app is the production date, not the firmware revision date so you cannot learn anything from the eMMC Brick bug app in regards to the firmware date.

There is already a link in the first post to a patched kernel and command line to run to ascertain if you have the firmware of the date in the code you mentioned. For your information, everyone with VTU00M 0xF1 has the same date as mentioned in the code you have linked.

Thanks for your efforts but unfortunately there is nothing new here
[Galaxy S III General] ivan4o5:
Wasn't it supposed to show that the chip is insane ?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yes, but only if it identifies your phone as an S3, which it doesn't on yours ;) (same for me and many others. Looks at build.prop for model)

When iot identifies you as S3, the "Brick Bug?" title becomes "S3 Sudden Death" or something.

All it does is look at your details...

VTU00M + 0xF1 + Galaxy S3 = Insane

VTU00M + 0xF1 + any other phone = Sane

So if you know "Galaxy S3" and you have VTU00M + 0xF, You know it's "insane"
[Galaxy S III General] ivan4o5:
I gues it has to do something with the update I've made today ... (the I9300ZSEMB1 (TGY) ) . Last week it showed me insande chip . Doesn't matter ... sane,insane ... :D
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yeah basically, VTU00m 0xF1, insane no matter what any app tells you :) or :( - whichever is more appropriate
[Galaxy S III General] elspanish88:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I have a out-of-the-box XELLA S3 with 0xf7... should I be panicking as much as some of the people on here? I've got experience with flashing etc but all this SDS stuff is pretty worrying
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

As far as known OxF7 is a Safe chip so don't worry to much plus you have warranty HAVE FUN WITH YOUR NEW S3
[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

May I know your first 4digits imei? Planning to buy new s3, so that it will be my guide not to have 0xf1 chip.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] migz012788:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I really dont get it about the bootloader. So what i did is i have updated my s3 via OTA. And the rom is xella. And after that i put it on download mode to flash a pre rooted rom of xella via ODIN. But as far as i remember, i didnt include the bootloader of pre rooted xella rom. And flash philz touch recovery and flash omega v40 and perseus kernel. and btw right now i have the little exclamation point on the top left screen when turning on the s3 and it is not a big deal to me :) So did i mess up something regarding on the bootloader?

Sent from my GT-I9300 powered by Omega Rom + Perseus Kernel + PhilZ touch Recovery
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

The red (!) is not a big deal but with that bootloader your binary count will always go up when flashing in recovery so if for some reason you have to claim a warranty and your binary counter says anything besides no/or 0 they will know you have rooted your phone. Me personally have opted to stay on the Ics bootloader and my status remains official with a binary count of 0
[Galaxy S III General] elspanish88:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yeah its 3558
[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Tnx for that if ever I buy again it should not be lower than imei 3558. I hope so... lol.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] SimonCraddock:
10 months old roughly, purchased it on the day the S3 was released in the UK.

It was completely stock, un-rooted and on the lasted firmware released in January to presumably stop this.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

@SimonCraddock can I ask did you have any warning signs of this happening.... Freezing or rebooting if so how long before

Thanks
[Galaxy S III General] Jenna2308:
Isnt this sudden death thing a load. Is there even any proof its probably something someone made up to scare others.
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Get back to the kitchen Jenna.

</bad misogynistic joke that is not serious>

So much fail, little troll
[Galaxy S III General] Corsario_Negro:
Let me guess. You also don't believe in global warming, and you're still on the fence about evolution.
[Galaxy S III General] Jenna2308:
Ok so new Galaxy s3 owners will not be affected?
[Galaxy S III General] jeffnz:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Do some reading instead of trolling in a new account
[Galaxy S III General] tiby87:
Download mode

Hi guys this is my first post in this forum, but I read all the posts.

Tell me please if I can use download mode if I use all stock XXELLA, it is any chance to get sudden death with XXELLA bootloader?

I want to update from xxella to xxema2

And there are any sudden deaths with xxella rom.

Sorry for bad english, i`m from Romania.

Thank you.
[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If you have the affected chip it's possible.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] ivan4o5:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Is there any way to fry the device ... if I keep playing with it for about 20-30 hours ...or something else . Is that possible ? Or there isnt a way to break the device without loosing warranty ?...
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Format /boot.

DISCLAIMER

I don't know if it'll void warranty :)
[Galaxy S III General] ivan4o5:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Do you think if I disclaim this they'll be fooled ? ... if I format the /boot folder , can I save the device myself then ? (yes , I am considering lying to my provider because of the faulty 0xf1 ... )
[Galaxy S III General] Marilize-Legajuana:
lol, that's crazy dude :D
[Galaxy S III General] padraigdoran:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I wonder if a zero-filler app would force the phone to mark the sectors as bad on the eMMC? This might reduce the number of stalls and such that seem to be related to the SDS?
[Galaxy S III General] devourerx:
Need help with sds..

hello, ive recently read about S3 SDS and was scared that my phone could be affected im using SIII 16GB rooted, i downloaded eMMC check and saw Type: VTU00M fwRev: 0xf1 (those are the affected ones right?) so i immediately flashed to XXELLA and replaced recovery with PhilZ Touch 4.00-b04 (i9300). so that would be the fix says the thread but my eMMC check updated to v1.4.2 and as ive checked still Type: VTU00M fwRev: 0xf1 would show and another option is SGS3 Sudden Death? : YES. Insane chip.

does this mean im still not safe? help please. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] dmp1007:
i think it's a bug of eMMC!
[Galaxy S III General] molochgrifone:
R: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

eMMC just shows which chip your phone has, nothing more. As far as we know you're safe.

GS3 PatataTalkando
[Galaxy S III General] devourerx:
thanks for the reply, thats what i wanted to know.. :good::good::good:
[Galaxy S III General] Shan89:
SDS might be still present https://twitter.com/PaulOBrien/status/299912673838133248
[Galaxy S III General] molochgrifone:
R: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

That tweet means almost nothing...

GS3 PatataTalkando
[Galaxy S III General] shrome99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

What about others in these threads complaining about the sudden death issues even after the XXELLA updates? I'm sure Samsung added some sort of fix and the issues have reduced but its definitely not perfect and needs work.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I agree. But again, we dont know if sds is instant or over a period of time either.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Maybe people experiencing freezing problems have there emmc already corrupted and for those that are not maybe they will be okay or maybe Samsung will release a statement about SDS..... Or maybe NOT seems like a big guessing game but thanks to Rootsu we can stay informed...
[Galaxy S III General] alanzed:
Hi,

my SGS3 I9300 16GB white, today died.

I wrote a WhatsApp, put it in the pocket, and after 2 minutes couldnt wake it up anymore.

It was running a custom rom with JB but now I cant remember which one was it.

No overclock or smth like that... just a simple plain custom rom.

Now, before I take it to repair, is there anyway to fix it by myself? My computer doesnt even see it and no mention that I cannot enter in download mode or other modes.

Thanks a lot for an answer

ale
[Galaxy S III General] alex1986cy:
Is SiyahKernel S3 v1.8.9 compatible with PhilZ Touch 4.00-b04 (i9300) and omega v41? Will this combination consider safe from sudden death?

thank you
[Galaxy S III General] Alf0903:
Nop, if your phone is actually "dead", there is no way you can fix it, in order to have it fixed it needs major work, being that the swapping of your MoBo, you will have to get to the idea of your phone, and your info saved on it are resting in peace!:good:
[Galaxy S III General] paulrh:
Consider this: when you lock your doors at night are you REALLY safe. They know where you live...

The bottom line is continue to enjoy your phone but should it die, for whatever reason, either send it in for warranty repair or dispose of it in a responsible manner. As with any technology that stores business, personal and quite often cherished data I thoroughly recommend a robust backing-up regime.
[Galaxy S III General] ClaretJ:
Well S3 owner, updating

Hello people, well I bought my s3 in october, just found out about this SDS issue because of you, Thank you..:)

I updated to XXELLA And put the recovery Philz_Touch Just in case (rooted), The emmc says I have the bad chip so it was a must!

Also says date 07/2012 And is made in china no idea if this has anything to do with it, is the international one.

I`m from Venezuela so it doesn`t have warranty because well buying everything here is waaay too difficult so you have to pay a lot of money for something that has no warranty at all!! anyway.. I`ll keep you posted in case anything happens, thanks for doing this thread is really helpful :good:
[Galaxy S III General] yarona:
Many thanks to all

i have checked my samsung s3 and it is having the same chip (VTU00M, revision 0xf1 )

now my problem began after upgrading from 4.0.4 (directly to 4.1.2)

my phone didn't die but from time to time (about 2-3 times a day) the phone reboots with no reason

and from time to time (1-2 times a week) the phone shuts down and the only way to restart it again is to take out and in again the battery

setting are as follows

model = gt-i9300

andriod 4.1.2

based band version = i9300bvelk1

kernel

3.0.31-742798

se.infra@SEP-111#1

SMP PREEMPT (Dec 22)

build JZO54k.i9300XXELLA **** i thought this is a fix

this is stock unrooted (update via kies) TMUK network

if anyone can let me know what should i do i will be grateful

+ i have it for about 6 months so i believe i have warranty

Many thanks in advance
[Galaxy S III General] alanzed:
Thanks for the answer.

Luckily I had setup a weekly titanium backup and all of my data is safely on the cloud (is that an oxymoron to use safely and cloud in the same sentence???) :)
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
LOL no, it isn't! What gave you that impression?
[Galaxy S III General] rezapatel:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Would love some comments on my crazy assumption about the eMMC on a different thread -

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=37774028

Sent from my Galaxy S3
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
eMMC is the embedded Multi Media card. /sdcard is simply a partition (actually /data/media) on the eMMC. /system, /cache, everything is on the eMMC. In fact, if you have't got an external card, EVERYTHING is on eMMC
[Galaxy S III General] Ghost Ops:
I'm on VTU00M, fw ver 0xf7.

Hoping to be immune from SDS:angel:
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
I think he meant to ask whether the external card can be partitioned into all the ones that exist on the internal eMMC and then have the device boot into that instead of the internal one. I doubt if it's possible though.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

He's talking about a mod that swaps /sdcard and /extSdCard. But no that wouldn't be enough.
[Galaxy S III General] Madarox:
My bootloader is XXELLB according to android system info app, is it the newer and supposedly safer boot loader ?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
That's pointless, yeah.
[Galaxy S III General] rezapatel:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Thanks to all of you who responded and added to my knowledge.

So it can definitely not help solely, but it would reduce the probability assuming both the theories, that is, wear levels (reduced write / read) or finding that one bad spot / sector on it.

But really, I wanted to find myself a reason to use the script to add the extra space, I was running border line for a while..

Thanks again.

Sent from my Galaxy S3
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Well it won't reduce anything. You write to the internal and external /sdcard and /extSdCard the same amount. For example, you're swapping 100 read / writes on microsd for 100 read / writes on EMMC so it's completely pointless.

There is only one reason to use the script. That is to make /sdcard appear bigger. Other than that, no reason.

If you want to be as safe as possible, use things in post 1 that apply the fixes. Use the script if you want but do not be disillusioned, it will not save you from anything
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
I have given my opinion in the other thread . It seems the mod MOVEs data from /sdcard to /extSdCard , so it reduces read/write on internal mem.

But when SDS occurs it affects emmc in other partitions ("system" ones) , so it s impossible to boot.

Am I right ?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
What it seems to do is rename /extSdCard to /sdcard so everything you saved in /sdcard is no longer on eMMc. So I suppose if you write a lot of new data to your /sdcard, you would be removing that element.

However, it makes /data "bigger" by removing /data/media (where /sdcard used to be) which is entirely pointless. The whole reason /sdcard is on /data is because you would NEVER fill 12 GB of /data with .apks and /data/data. All big apps (games etc) save their data to /sdcard/Android/data. So most of that internal space will be useless.!

No one knows exactly where or how SDS strikes, but it's unlikely that a corrupt filesystem within /data/media (which uses fuser file system) would prevent a device booting entirely (SDS), so moving /sdcard does not remove the trigger in my opinion.

The only way to stay safe is to use things mentioned in Post 1.
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Yes, I fully agree the mod does not cover from SDS and there is no way to have "external SDS" ;)

just a point , I had run a mount command a few weeks ago and had that :

/dev/block/mmcblk0p12	/data	ext4 .....

/dev/fuse	/mnt/sdcard fuse rw, ....

/dev/block/vold/179:17	/mnt/extSdCard vfat rw, ...

The mod should manage between /mnt/sdcard and /mnt/extSdCard , maybe /data but all others partition remains in danger !