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[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Best advice will come from the official unusual freezing thread. Link at bottom of post 2
[Galaxy S III General] ra3or:
I got xxemc2, no freezes, my phone has the 'insane' chip.
[Galaxy S III General] flo7002:
Hey guys, just wanting to confirm if I've been hit by SDS. Have the i9300, was rooted, CWM installed and had an Omega rom that was 6-7mo. old. I did a factory reset so I can sell the phone, everything was working fine for a few hours then dead. Stuck at Samsung boot logo. I can get into download mode, but that's about it. Odin fails and cannot get into recovery. Is there anything I can try or should I just try to contact Samsung and see if it's still under warranty? I think I bought it at the very end of June last year, so hopefully they cover it for 1 year...

Any help would be appreciated. THanks!
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
does it match the description in post 1?
[Galaxy S III General] flo7002:
I guess it does...
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Theres not a lot you can do really. All you an do is send it off for repair. If you're in the EU, warranty can be 2 years
[Galaxy S III General] goranbm:
As i understand I am "safe" with this leaked 4.2.2 firmware too? Can you please just confirm this for me ? Thank you.
[Galaxy S III General] farid28:
good luck
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
They're not going to remove the fixes from the kernel source code
[Galaxy S III General] cleancorekiller:
Hi guys,

I'm pretty sure I've made my phone safe but just posting so that someone could maybe give me confirmation to let me know I've gone about this the correct way.

I am running ARHD 27 with Siyah kernel and Philz recovery.

Like I said, it would be much appreciated if someone could let me know that I have done it right. Been studying this all night and morning and would just like some extra peace of mind.

Thanks
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Check post 1 for Siyah and Philz. Use CTRL+F on a computer to find them... If they're listed, you're safe.
[Galaxy S III General] cleancorekiller:
Cool! All good to go then! ! Just wanted to make sure. Cheers
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
So rooting 4.1.2 is ok no??? With stock recovery+stock kernel.

Going to root now :D
[Galaxy S III General] _2bad4u_:
I also had this problem once, everything i did did not work, i clear dalvik cache, factory format, finaly i manage to put original 4.1.2 from samsung, after that go to recovery and click factory reset wipe cache and dalvik cache and now it's working, i can confirm is not sudden death .
[Galaxy S III General] ra3or:
have the two of you previously checked to see if you have the 'insane' chip before you confirm/deny SDS ? let us know what eMMC you have
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
If the phone is working, it hasn't suffered SDS. The phone may still be prone or pre-disposed to SDS though
[Galaxy S III General] ra3or:
still, letting us know if the phone has the 'insane' chip is very helpfull
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I disagree. We don't need to know that a phone which has been recovered from a non-related fault has the effected eMMC.

We're at the stage where we're going to know as much as we're ever going to know about SDS unless there is a significant break through from a Dev.
[Galaxy S III General] ra3or:
yeah, I read ... well, it doesnt hurt to know :good:

I was more curious if flo7002 had any luck
[Galaxy S III General] _2bad4u_:
My chip is VWU00M. FwRev. 0xf0.

Flo7002 does not have a sudden death, when you have the sudden death your phone is not responding at all, his phone is turning on and gets stuck at the first samsung logo, that is what happend to me, no matter what i did i still din;t work, the last thing that made a difference was the dalvik cache and factory reset from the recovery of samsung. And then the phone started.

I guess is something corrupt in the system.
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
I checked the memory block

How can I know I have damaged memory blocks? ?????

Help, my s3 rooted+stock kernel+stock recovery
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
I am covered but a few days ago my phone started to lock up and I have to hold in power to reboot, flashed a new rom and it's the same there...

I have the affected chip...
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
From post 1
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
Sorry I missed that. I havn't had any problems with freezing untill a few days ago and I have allways been on AOKP, even builds that worked without freezing freezes now.

Seem like a good fix from Samsung making the phone freeze about 5 times /h.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
It doesn't make sense that Bootloader fixes issue, however its not possible to prove it does nothing. We don't even kbnow if ELLC contains same "Fixes" as ELLA yet.
[Galaxy S III General] siavash_Skh:
Somone that downloaded this version can just extraxt it and tell us is it contain any bootloader or not. It may help.
[Galaxy S III General] jfsyl:
ok thks you

Sorry but i confirm, so i flash this file with odin to removed the red line ?

BEWARE_of_BRICK_i9300XXALEF_sboot.tar - [Click for QR Code] (868.0 KB, 235 views)
[Galaxy S III General] sebarkh:
Does recovery partition uses its own "kernel" then?

Sent from my washing machine...straight from the tumbler...

---------- Post added at 12:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 PM ----------

Great explanation. I would add it to the OP.

Sent from my washing machine...straight from the tumbler...
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
That plus Triangle away.... I am not accepting any responsibility for that though.

It already says the following in the OP....

I do not want to put a lengthy explanation to something that already has a simple one.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Post 1.
[Galaxy S III General] drahad110:
Yes I read your first post and it was really helpful, but actually I need to know how should I do that. Means Should I first istall Omega V36 rom and then install any kernel which you mentioned contains sudden death fix e.g. Perseus kernel. Should I do these both steps immediately? Installing the rom and then immediately kernel.

Thanks
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
If your Rom comes with its own Kernel wich maybe doesn't contains the SD-Fix, then it would be better to first flash Rom and afterwards Perseus and maybe a fixed recovery.

If your doesn't come with a kernel, then it doesn't matter.

Taper di Tap with my S3 @179 days
[Galaxy S III General] raxor:
I have unit with affected chip VTU00M 0xf1 04/2012. :(

¿Any way to force SDS?

Samsung should call to review the affected models and change the motherboard preventively, is like having a bomb in your hands, how much life is left in my EMMC?.

I prefer to do a full backup and force it to break in a controlled manner. My unit has 7 months of use, I have bad memory, I have all options to be affected for SDS, my S3 with this chip makes it less valuable when i sell it in the future.

If Samsung don't call to review affected units i'm forced break my S3 to change on guarantee.
[Galaxy S III General] maximo12345:
Just one question.

The sudden death happens only during reboot or also during normal use?

I ask that because I love siyah kernel and even if I tried all the other "safe" kernel now I'm back to siyah 1.8.6.

So if the "SDS" takes place only during reboot or boot I'll just try to avoid rebooting my phone and I should limit the risk, shouldn't I?

thanks
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
SD occurs in many different ways. Not only reboot.

Taper di Tap with my S3 @179 days
[Galaxy S III General] zadusimple:
I don't know if bootloader plays any role to fix the SDS, however it will be very kind of any gentleman who could post the new bootloader thats included in ELLC!!
[Galaxy S III General] thegh0sts:
a free upgrade to 32gb would be nice :D
[Galaxy S III General] erwingle:
I am with you... They just closed my thread :D
[Galaxy S III General] siavash_Skh:
+1 I wanna to know that XELLC has any bootloader inside or not ?
[Galaxy S III General] nfribeiro:
Yes, the same of XELLA.
[Galaxy S III General] JJEgan:
A small tip regarding this problem .

Many of the original help my phone is dead posts had one fact in common . (This was before Sudden Death was defined as a problem .)

Avoiding this may be a good idea for the present .

Common fact was help i left my phone on charge all night and now it wont boot .

Likewise not carrying out multiple flashing and recoveries for the present .

jje
[Galaxy S III General] thekoRngear:
One thing that I want to know as soon as Andreilux released the patches boeffla, franko (when GM comes he will too) got updated. But so far only one custom recovery is pushed to that patch-philZ v4. CWM 6.0.2.7 is still unpatched. Why?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
The freezing starts only when there becomes a problem on the internal memory. If you didn't have the fix, those freezes would have been a dead phone instead.

Have a look in the unusual freezing thread (link at bottom of post 1) for ideas how you can resolve this.
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
I have had the phone for about 8 months so I guess it is about the right time for the internal SD to get f*cked up. I will check that thread, thanks!
[Galaxy S III General] GuruThor:
No problem

I'm using the international sgs3 for more than 6 months now... I've not had any such problems... I've tried a lot of custom roms... But no problem of sds whatsoever... :)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Super. Thanks for sharing!
[Galaxy S III General] alterman666:
Adam Kernel v2.5 + Philz Recovery - is it safe?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I assume Adam Kernel is built from the latest sources. if it is, then yes.
[Galaxy S III General] Krep3:
Hi, I think my phone suffered from this, I thought I was safe. I was running

ROM : Stock I9300XXEMC2 (rooted with cf auto root)

Recovery : ClockworkMod Touch Recovery 6.0.3.1 (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1719744)

Kernel : Stock (I haven't done anything else besides rooting and installing cmw)

I didn't leave my phone charging last night, and this morning I woke up to a dead phone, initially I thought that the battery had run out and tried to charge it but nothing happened, tried another charger as well as my charger on another phone so that's not the problem, can't get to recovery or download mode. Has my phone suffered from SD ??

I did had the unusual freezes a couple of weeks ago when I was running CM 10.1 that's why upgraded to I9300XXEMC2 and everything was back to normal the phone was perfect until today.

Any advice
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yep, sounds like SDS. Pull the battery out for an hour. If its still the same send it for repair.

CWM is not marked "Safe"
[Galaxy S III General] Krep3:
Do they repair this under warranty or do you have to pay for it? I've had this phone since august last year I don't think I'm covered anymore. Can't believe this happened just today when I need the camera the most.

Also what about my information on the phone before send it to repair? I guess it's safe since the phone is a brick right now, do I have to do anything?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
They will repair it under warranty as long as you havent breached it in someway. The data is unreadable.
[Galaxy S III General] Krep3:
I contacted my carrier over the phone and they told me that since the warranty only covers 6 months I'll have to pay for the repair, do I have to speak to samsung directly or what can I do? I live in Honduras (that is in central america) I really don't want to pay for this.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I've got no idea about international warranty. In Europe we have 2 years. 6 months sounds extreme. Try samsung
[Galaxy S III General] rahmat87:
Hi there.

I am the one who have chip VTU00M 0xf1 , then i follow

Odin Root : CF-Root v6.4

Flash Zip Recovery : Phiz recovery v5.00.5

Kernel : Original stock kernel

Firmware : 4.1.2 EMC2

anybody can confirm i am the safe for this issue or any action should i miss to take.???
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Please compare your recovery and kernel with Post 1. The answer is already there,
[Galaxy S III General] rahmat87:
So i am in below position.

If rooted, you have one of the "Custom Kernels" OR "Custom ROMs including kernel" OR rooted "stock" with original kernel AND one of the "Custom recoveries" from the lists below

On the other mean, i am safe..? sorry i am completely noob, just root my phone today.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
So which of the above are you?
[Galaxy S III General] rahmat87:
rooted "stock" with original kernel AND one of the "Custom recoveries"

am i correct as stated my detail above? or do i need to flash kernel then?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Great, so I don't understand what you don't get?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Useful info!
[Galaxy S III General] kidls:
Thank you very much!
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yep. As it should. Of course not everyone downloads that version, which is the problem. Now I know there is an official version though, all good.

Edit > updated post 1 with link to official releases only
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
My phone now freezes every five minutes or more and get lot's of random reboots, talked to Samsung and they wanted me to pay to get the phone fixed!

No sources or documentation as Samsung promissed

More lies from Samsung

Don't care about the customers

Hardware problems

...

This will be my last Samsung, don't know if I should buy Nexus 4 now or wait for the next Nexus? My S3 is next to useless now. I looked at the thread about the freezing problem but nothing worked for me, I will try some other roms and see if I can get less freezing...
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Why did they say you have to pay for repairs? On Europe we have 2 year warranty.
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
I bought the phone from a friend that had a Iphone and got the S3 as a present so I don't have the recipt (spelling?). I have never had any problem with recipts before sense they have just checked the serial number but I guess Samsung don't do that...
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
I think nokia checks for sn. But normally warranty claims require the receipt as different regions have different warranty durations. But every s3 is younger than 2 years.
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
Okey, first time I needed receipt in Sweden... But I will not send it in for rapairs, I don't wan't to pay to get this piece of garbage fixed. I hope a Samsung based rom works better but I doubt that, I think I will order a Nexus 4 next week if my S3 still freezes like crazy or if it will boot...
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Try a kernel with v2 fix and write dummy files to see if it fixes, or try a recent stock rom like xxemc2 or similar.
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
I will check that. I have tried 3 roms with Samsung base now, the last one was 4.2.2 rom with stock kernel I rebooted 4 times but did not get past the set up before it frooze...

I will try and flash a stock xxemc2
[Galaxy S III General] baqai:
Just wanted to know my S3 is on 4.2.2 do i still have the risk of having SD?
[Galaxy S III General] raresvintea:
I readed too, but the only info that i've found is that the recent original roms or custom ones are good. I think if 4.2.2 it's a newer version is still ok?!?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Why would they remove the fix?
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
I see no reason for samsung to remove the fixes from the new builds, so it should be safe.
[Galaxy S III General] raresvintea:
You ask me? How would i know, if someone has better info, not another question please post!

Edit: Thk kadopt!
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yep, I did have better info, I posted it in post 1. That's why I created this thread.
[Galaxy S III General] raresvintea:
In this case sorry, i didnt find the right info, could you response to my question?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
What question?
[Galaxy S III General] raresvintea:
Just wanted to know my S3 is on 4.2.2 do i still have the risk of having SD?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
All fixed releases still carry risk, yes. Although we know that the fix is doing a great job of protecting many, many phones from sds, we cannot be 100% certain that it is protecting ALL phones.
[Galaxy S III General] raresvintea:
Ok, and 4.2.2 is still having this fix?

You say in the 1 post that are some psoibilities that when it crash in download mode will appear custom, that happens including stock phone from beggining? not touched by odin :P

because now i've rooted the 4.2.2 to install trainagle away to remove the custom status.

What i like on 4.2.2 that it has aprox no lag in contacts and dialer, the newest versions of 4.1.2 resolved that problem?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Just a few points...

1) triangle away doesn't change custom status. It changes custom binary counter.

To change status from custom, must have stock kernel, stock recovery and stock rom.

2) in case of half sds, status will say custom even if never rooted

3) I asked the question earlier "why would samsung remove the fixes?" In the hope this would activate your deductive reasoning ;)

In regards to the last point, they put the fixes in the kernel source code back at update 7, released January. They put the fixes in to prevent phones from dying.

Given that they are continuing to develop this s3 kernel source code, can you think of any logical reason why they would actively remove the fixes from the source code? I'm willing to bet you can't think of any logical reason.

So if you and I can't think of a reason why samsung would delete the fixes in their kernel - with the full knowledge that tens of thousands of s3's might die, do you think they actually would? :)

To clarify kernel development... they don't start from scratch every time and have a list of fixes they must add written on post-it notes. They use the same code they have always used, adding fixes to it all the time. Every time they compile a new kernel, it has all the old fixes I'm it automatically. the only way a kernel doesn't have a fix is if they specifically remove it
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
I9300XXUFME7 (4.2.2) how to know this FW has sudden death fix??????? :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] goranbm:
Once they put fix in firmware, why would they remove it from future updates ? No logic :D
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
How about by reading the post immediately before yours?

Why is it so hard to read? I've even edited post 1 yesterday requesting not to ask about new firmwares and cited the reason above!
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
somewhere i read,4.2.2 doest have the fix thats why im confused. :(
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yes that's right. Samsung hate everyone with an s3 so they removed the fixes so all your s3's die so that you never buy samsung again :/
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Or that you go and buy the S4.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
If your s3 dies due to technical failure because samsung removed fixes to stop it dying, would you really be stupid enough to buy an s4?
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
I was joking man! I jumped ship from Motorola due to their stupid locked bootloader policy, although it was possible to bypass it in the Defy. If I had to go to another brand it would be Sony.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I'm thinking Sony too.

Better dev policy. Good, solid phone.

Only concern is they never seem up to date with hardware specs.

Still got 11 months to decide!
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
But you can still get a locked and unlockable bootloader with Sony due to carrier restrictions...
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Then use official Sony tools to unlock it:

http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
There's a code you insert to see if the bootloader in unlockable or not, I have two friends with unlockable bootloaders (with xperia arc s and xperia s devices).

"However, even if the device model is supported, certain releases of the device model may not be supported due to operator restrictions. To check if your device can be unlocked, go through the first two steps on the page."
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Unlucky you then!

Why do you need an unlockable bootloader?
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Have to buy them operator free! Or keep this one.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
You can't flash anything without an unlocked bootloader. I had to help a friend unlock his HTC Sensation - which is also supposed to use this code obtainable via the unlocking tool, but HTC deliberately made later mobos without support for unlocking - via an enormously complex and badly documented method which even involved touching contact points at an exact time with a conducting pin.

I was thinking the Moto X looks like a decent option? Sony's also got build issues, plus they're pretty much a drowning ship right now.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I'm not so sure. My HTC Desire was locked bootloader and could flash all sorts, even before the unofficial alpharev S-OFF and official bootloader unlock tool.

There's always a way around it.
[Galaxy S III General] rezapatel:
On a locked bootloader I think you can push / flash ROMs but not custom Kernels. Not sure but I think that's the case. Read this about some Sony entry level devices.
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Exactly, the bootloader does not load unsigned kernels. For the Defy was 2nd init that loaded a custom rom with stock kernel then 2nd boot that loaded a custom rom and custom kernel by tricking the bootloader. Now for Sony devices if you have a locked device you can load only custom roms with stock kernel. The bootloader is made unlockable by request from carriers. "free" devices can be unlocked by official ways.
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
I think the thread is getting a bit off topic by now :)

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] rezapatel:
For sure, but I'm sure we don't want more cases of Sudden Death to be reported and in fact there have been none for a while.

There isn't any further investigation / development going on the subject either.

Sorry OP if my response is offensive to the subject in any way ;)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Meh. Its my thread. I've reported it to be unstickied twice in the last 2 months
[Galaxy S III General] goranbm:
Please advise me- Should i root S3 with CF-Root 6.4 or CF-Auto-Root ??
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Cf-autoroot - recovery safe. Can't flash roms. Change to safe if want to flash

Cf-root - recovery unsafe. Change to safe
[Galaxy S III General] goranbm:
I just wanted SuperSU so i could use Triangle away... Don't want to flash custom ROM's. So i will go on auto root. Thanky you.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Triangle away resets at boot, but this is because counter increases at boot. If you get full SDS, they cant tell. if you get half SDS, they will see flash counter.
[Galaxy S III General] DavisNT:
Is recovery-cwmtouch-6.0.3.1-GTI9300.tar from from mskip's thread safe?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Use a recovery listed in post 1.
[Galaxy S III General] DavisNT:
It is listed there, but not the latest version.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Actually only the latest version is listed there.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
There. Added (6.0.3.2) to it
[Galaxy S III General] satishp:
I believe RootSU can help me better with this query.

Well, I was bored of the Stock ROM and decided to flash Official MIUI. The official JB MIUI ROMS are based on 4.1.1 and the latest MIUI ROM I installed has a 4.1.1 JRO03C base.

I dont know whether MIUI uses safe kernels. Anyways I flashed the latest Perseus Alpha 36-1 on top of this MIUI ROM. So, am I safe? Or do I have to be worried that I'm on a 4.1.1 based ROM? Your advice would be highly valuable.

Regards
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
The fix is in the kernel so if you flashed a safe kernel you're safe. Rom has nothing to do with it.
[Galaxy S III General] clapton86:
I'm willing to flash custom ROM but I'm afraid of SD. How can I know what kernels are safe?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
I don't know of any custom ROM the kernel of which isn't safe.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Should we say "up-to-date custom ROM"?
[Galaxy S III General] clapton86:
And how do we know which ones are up to date? :D