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[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

It's already solved without the need to change the PCB.

...and if developers of other kernels and recoveries can't even be bothered to put a simple patch into their work to preserve devices, why would you ever want to use something by that developer anyway? ...even if the issue no.longer exists?

IMHO, if a developer can't be bothered to implement the fix, I wouldn't want to use any of their work ever again.
[Galaxy S III General] RohanM:
hmmm right. but still we dnt have any solid proof of that these patches works 100 %. it might just sammy's gamble to extend the SDS for say more 6 months. so consumer will not able to claim warranty. My thought only.

As per the history sgs2 was also having some brick bug. why cant samsung make clear chips with bug free firmwares after sgs2 ?? :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

We have no proof either way. The patches have at least massively reduced sds instances. I've still not seen any clear evidence of any sds on a FULLY patched system.

Europe has 2 years warranty so your theory on that gamble is out. Besides they would lose customers if they pulled a trick like that.

Going back to drakesters post, its not a conspiracy.
[Galaxy S III General] RohanM:
Don't get me wrong. we here have only 1 year warranty. that is why i said that. it's surely not a conspiracy. only my thoughts.
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If you're really that worried, just go back to a previous firmware (no fix) and let it die, get covered by the warranty and get a replacement board. That's it, really.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] RohanM:
Actually it's a second hand S3. so cant risk it that much. and m not worried at all after all it's a mobile phone only.

Also as per bill of my s3 it was purchased on 20 oct 12 & I got it on 28 jan 13 with 4.1.2 XXELLC

It was in service center for issue of sim card tray cause x owner messed up with it. Then service center guys updated it to 4.1.2 after fixing sim card tray.

So means my S3 was on unsafe firmware for 80 days only or maybe 3 months. So the damage is not done I guess. What do u think ?
[Galaxy S III General] dedelamalice:
Thanks guys!
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

So when 4.2.2 officially comes out are we safe to assume that Samsung has included the kernel patch? Or would it be best to wait for some developers to take a Look @ the firmware
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I am 100% confident without looking that they will not remove the patch
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I'd certainly argue with you about the semantics of the definition of a software workaround. :p

A workaround to me is sidestepping the issue, in this case it would be to never use the value returned or to manually define the value of the pointer to some magic location before it is used, when the ideal case was to check for nullity before usage. (any good C developer should always be careful about this!, it's memory management 101, and even if you miss it, static analysis would point it out... but as we have seen, the software quality levels inside Samsung are not optimal for an organization of its size nor they have the adequate processes in place to verify it).

If they had not fixed the source of the problem, I'd definitely agree that this is a workaround.

But since they are patching the firmware itself (albeit in a non permanent way), I'd say they have a fix, not the ideal one but a "good enough" one.

By the way, thank you for the great work done on this thread. Some people jump too fast to conclusions and they need friendly guidance. :)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yeah I guess we'll have to leave it at a disagreement then :)

I can't class something as fixed if it requires external influence to be "fixed". Like a prop, holding up a wall. The wall still stands and does wall-like things but the reason the wall still stands is the prop, not that the wall itself is fixed.

But like I say I am pedantic and these are my definitions I use.

Edit ... I do agree it's good enough though :)
[Galaxy S III General] thegh0sts:
anyone still suffering from SDS? if so i am planning a contingency for a new phone as a replacement.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

An individual doesn't continue to suffer sds. Its a single event.

If you are asking if we're still seeing people receive sds, yes but all evidence suggests they weren't using safe systems
[Galaxy S III General] thegh0sts:
well i meant if the issue was still...an issue. i got my s3 in november/december and we just finished march and i think i am getting close to that magic failure mark...but anyway, i am hoping it will last long enough until the end of july then i'll ditch it for an 8x or something.
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Don't worry, I'm using it since June last year, no issues at all in 10 months of constant use.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

There's no magic failure mark if you update to 4.1.2
[Galaxy S III General] Hel10s:
Thanks for this post, i have cm10.1 with temasek kernel, no problems
[Galaxy S III General] kikin3t:
Thanks for you advice Kadopt (also drakester and rootSU), I will use the MB5 (from the link).. and hope this will alleviate the problem.

But I have a doubt (since I´m new in Android), the name of the ROM is the same as the "Baseband version"?

Thanks !! (I´m also including some info of my S3).
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

No, look at the build number. The baseband refers to the modem, and can be different from the build.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] RohanM:
wow 10 months. means u were on unsafe rom for suppose more than 7 months sure. still ur s3 is going !! :mad:
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
Yeah, I consider myself lucky, had no issue even with unsafe firmwares, recoveries, etc. Up to this point, I think I probably won't have issues in the future too (fingers crossed).
[Galaxy S III General] abelrhd:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Hello, I have a question: my bootloader is the old ICS not the xxema's JB. The reason is for keep the flash counter to zero. But if I power off the phone and wake up again, the bootloader insane assume the control for a little moment and it's danger to SDS?

Thanks for a help!

Enviado desde mi GT-I9300 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] redondogabriel:
flash MB1, that works great, i was having the same issue with ELLA.
[Galaxy S III General] QYOBZ:
my battery drains 1point every 4mins when im scrolling application bar... is it connected to SDS?
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

No, it isn't.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
No, just avoid using download mode
[Galaxy S III General] abelrhd:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Thanks RootSU! But when I turn on the phone the bootloader (ics in my case) is the first to load and then the system the second. It's true? In this case I'm not protected if I turn off the phone and then turn on.

Enviado desde mi GT-I9300 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Yes bootloader loads first but it doesn't do anything with the eMMC, just transfers control to Android/recovery/ODIN. So, as rootSU said, as long as you're not booting into ODIN (which - quite obviously - messes around with the internal memory), you're safe.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yeah see what pickandwhammy says below:

When you're in download mode, you are often flashing things (Writing data to eMMC) so there is a risk of SDS. Booting is fine.

I too use XXALE6 Bootloader.
[Galaxy S III General] abelrhd:
Thanks again mates :D So, If I turn on the devices or restart I'm safe? My bootloader version is XXBLG8, I have the latest Phil3759 Recovery and I have a custom rom Indie with XXEMB5 firmware based.
[Galaxy S III General] sherlock5545:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yes you are safe, don't worry. Just never flash an ICS ROM. Any JB ROM with a safe kernel should be fine. Same goes for the recovery. You are safe at the moment, by the way.

Sent from my GT-I9300
[Galaxy S III General] maverick7777:
Hi Guys,

I appreciate I should read through thread, but over 200 pages and have read quite a bit but would like to double check so any help appreciated.

Just bought an s3 lighly used and loving it, D/L EMMC as advised and its on the "insane chip" lol.

I've always rooted and fiddled about and would like to do the same but concerned that it might die and as i'm not the original user and being that it would be rooted samsung may tell me to frick off!

Q1. The phone is locked to O2, so I would like to unlock, if possible stay on stock for a while, anyone know a free or cheap unlock with or without rooting?.

Q2. The phone is on 4.1.2 stock at the moment does this mean i'm safe or do I have to worry finding it dead one morning :crying:

Q3. If I do root does that mean I cannot use download mode and if not why would I need this, I normally install CWM and just install rom's kernels etc from there and normally something like triangle away.

Q4. Should I root and things go wrong and the phone dies will Samsung honour a repair considering it looks like a fault has anyone had any experience of this I know HTC were funny about things on my One S.

Sorry for all the questions guys.

Many thanks

Mav
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
1) GalaxSim unlock works well with root. Its a free app, you can find it here in the apps section of the S3 forum.

2) If it is stock unrooted 4.1.2 its safe. This is in post 1.

3) You can use download mode because the bootloader you have is safe.n However, this means triangle away is needed after every reboot, which is not good from a warranty status. You need an ICS bootloader (See post 1) if you want triangle away to work permanently but this is then unsafe to use download mode. It's a toss up between the 2 really. I wouldn't recommend using download mode after rooting / flashign recovery. Also, probably avoid CWM for now as I am uncertain of it's compliance with the fix.

4) Let's forget the fact you're not the original owner - I know companies are funny about this if you dont have the proof of purchase.

If you have full SDS, they can't tell its rooted.

If you have half SDS, it will show you as rooted, even if you're not.

The 2nd case is the worst as many have had warranty rejected in this state. I'm not sure what to tell you there. But don't flash ICS ROMs, unsafe kernels or recoveries and you wont have a problem,
[Galaxy S III General] maverick7777:
Hi rootSU,

Many thanks for the quick reply.

So basically let me see if i've got this right, if I just root and unlock, I can go about my business with the stock samsung rom, maybe use Titanium backup and remove some junk.

If rooted would there be a triangle warning?, or does this come after first flash of rom?. Even though I have now been flashing for a while I've never understood with regards to bootloaders?, is this basically stock samsung and when we install CWM it overtakes it?, or is this installed on the kernels and used when it connects to a PC via USB or operated via hard buttons?. I suppose I have the JB bootloader at the moment so If I was to root why would I need to go into Download mode?

Basically in brief, is there a way for me to safely, root, unlock, possibly flash either stock unbranded or custom rom, and possibly take away triangle just in case it dies and I do need to send back, but saying this even without a triangle warning surely they would be able to tell it is rooted?.

Don't understand SDS full and half sorry.

Thanks for your time rootSU any help would be appreciated.

Mav
[Galaxy S III General] thegh0sts:
if it happens it happens :p
[Galaxy S III General] maverick7777:
Also just noticed im on I9300BWELK1

Build number I9300XXELLA

kERNEL 3.0.31 - 742798

am I safe?

Thanks

Mav

Sorry just noticed I9300XXELLA on first page is safe phewww - panicking lol
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yep

Generally, custom recoveries and kernels are the things that give the triangle (obviously roms with custom kernels too). If you just want root and nothing else, use CF Auto root in post 1 as it gives you stock recovery. No triangles providing you dont flash kernels etc

No the bootloader is what boots the phone (and decides what to boot into). It's the bootloader that will either boot into android or recovery. (CWM is a recovery)...

It will also boot into download mode but unlike android and recovery, download mode is part of the bootloader.

What is your ultimate goal? If it's just sim unlock, cf auto root then galaxsim unlock then leave it at that
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Is it the actual flashing from download mode that can cause death? What I mean is.... Is it safe if I'm on Old ICS bootloader to boot into download mode to check my status but not flash anything? For some reason TA says I have to boot into "special mode" to check my status
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
It's anything that writes really. Checking status *should* be harmless enough (I'd hope anyway)
[Galaxy S III General] Roadrunner100:
Phone just OTA'ed from XELL4 (BTU) supposedly SDS safe to XEMC2 (BTU), same OS v. 4.12. kernel 3.0.31-1042335

Anyone care to venture what this fixes?

Device seems more 'energetic', almost like a quad core should...
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok thanks I just checked it shows everything official thanks... One more quick question if you don't mind.... Now that everything shows official with No binary count if I flash roms/mods/kernels through philz cwm everything should stay the same right?(granted I'm on Old ICS bootloader) ITS Only flashing with Odin that trips the flash counter? Is that correct?.
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Samsung does not provide changelogs for their releases.
[Galaxy S III General] maverick7777:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Thanks rootSU

Learnt quite a bit in your last two posts

Tbh would ideally like to root and flash a decent rom or maybe just stock touchwiz

I am just concerned about it dying i understand the risks of root but dies me having the insane chip mean more risk? Could i root unlock then unroot safely? And retain warranty or are there unlock codes about that allow me to unlock without rooting?

also if using odin in d/m is dangerous and you cant install cwm how do you manage to flash safely or am i missing something? Can you flash safely from odin apk?

With regards to this is it a faulty motherboard, chip or kernel if its hardware related does this mean that damage could have already occurred whilst on ics and if so would it be wise to send back for a replacement on the grounds of faulty hardware issue.

At this stage am i correct in saying whilst on stock and jb kernel im fine and dandy, if i do root i must stick to jb rom and safe kernel and again im fine and dandy? Only querying how to do this as safely as possible.

Thanks rootSU your a gent :thumbup:
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Root and SDS are not directly related. Flashing unsafe kernels and recoveries is what you need to avoid. If you actually WANT root, there would be no need to unroot to be safe.

Probably yeah. Usually you buy them from websites. I can't recommend any

download mode is only dangerous if you have an older bootloader. Your current one is safe however, you cannot use triangle away with 100% success. You either have:

Safe bootloader / can use download mode - Jeopardises warranty

Retain Warranty - Can't use download mode / unsafe

CWM is not the only recovery. There are safe recoveries listed in post 1.

I am not sure how Mobile Odin works. This has never been answered to me so I cannot say if it is safe or not. I assume it is but I can not say for definite. I have been using it though.

It's possible some damage has been done but we really don't know enough about SDS.

Yep.
[Galaxy S III General] ginzo:
R: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I've bought my S3 in August 2012 and I have constantly upgraded it till MB5 (the

The past 3 roms were homemade by me). This weekend I will deodex mc1 and flash it :D

The reason of my post is that I would like to contribute with my experience:

I'm using philz recovery and Boeffla kernel at the moment but when I test my roms I'm using siyah. No problems at all and I hope to continue this way....! :):rolleyes:

Cheers

Tapatalked from my Galaxy S3

Rom: Maya v2.2 XXEMB5 ♥

Kernel: Boeffla 2.10 beta2

Modem: Buelk1 Vodafone

Recovery: Philz Touch
[Galaxy S III General] tharghan:
Excuse me but I'd like to ask you a question because it's not totally clear to me... right now im using latest BTU fw (I9300XXEMC2_I9300OXAEMC2_BTU), is it safe to flash new roms (i only use official samsung roms, no root) with odin using download mode or i could hit the sds WHILE odin copies the rom from the pc to the cell?

Thanks in advance.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
Very bad news guys my GS3 16 GB is dead one hour ago and android OS was 4.2.1. Am i the only one?? This is ****ing unbelieveble!!!

I bought my GS 3 one year ago...
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If you use the bootloader that comes with the roms you can use download mode, the issue would be only for old bootloaders like the ics one.

That report is useless! We're you using a "safe" kernel? For how long were your device exposed to sds? You sure it was sds? Devices can die from other stuff as well.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Also same post different rom here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=39865406
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
Device is dead without doing anything , and with stock ROM
[Galaxy S III General] BossStang:
Might not necesserily be sds/eMMC failure? <- question.
[Galaxy S III General] Rafa91:
Hello everyone. Is the last CWM 6.0.3.0 SDS safe? I think it is. Why is it not included in the OP?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
No one has shown me proof. I need someone to show me the SDS fix in the repository on git hub before I believe it.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Isn't CWM closed source?
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Well PhilZ uses it for it's custom recovery, I think only the touchscreen stuff is not available. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=34379030
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
There's loads of repositories for it now. Including CM, I never know which is the correct one anymore. Anyone can compile it. I've compiled it myself in the past.
[Galaxy S III General] quebec1:
exuseme but the PhilZ Touch 4.90.8 Touch Enhanced CWM 6.0.3.0-exFAT-ext4-root is ok for sds?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
From post 1:

So yes, all versions since 4.00-b04
[Galaxy S III General] quebec1:
i read the firs post, but I came to doubt after reading the last post # 2364,2365,2366,2367 and 2368
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
That is different. Philz is safe. Phil adds safe kernel when he builds. CWM itself is unknown.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
I think what Phil uses (and what the repos contain) is the "CWM-based" source. CWM itself is not open-source (I suppose koush modifies certain things in the proprietary builds as opposed to the open code).

And the Touch in PhilZ is made by Phil himself and he's not made it openly available. I mean to say that was his decision, it doesn't have anything to do with CWM.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
The point really is:

Is there CWM source code available for anyone to compile? Yes

Is that code Safe from SDS when compiled for S3? Don't know.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Yeah, I know what you mean, but my point was that maybe the CWM source available is not the same as the source for stock CWM, and even if we find the SDS patch in the available source, can we say that stock CWM is safe too?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yeah this is the confusion starts. Most people compile cwm from cyanogen github now which forked from koush originally but koush's repo no longer exists. He does contribute to the cyanogen repo though. So I'm not even sure there is a "stock" cwm anymore.

In fact guides on koush's website for compiling cwm point you to cyanogen git

So if you check out cm 10.1 source with the -b jellybean switch, you get cm 10.1 plus cwm. If you compile recovery from this, presumably it uses the cm 10.1 kernel, which (since you compile per device) would contain the sds fix.

Even if this presumption is correct (which I think it is but not certain) the fact that "any man and his dog" can compile, doesn't guarantee a release has that fixed kernel either

This is my concern about putting it in the OP

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[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Bloody hell!
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I know right?

I may just put "for CWM, check with the OP of the thread you downloaded from if it has SDS fix"

;)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for "but you told me it was safe"...

Until I can understand fully how it works, I can't even put it up with a disclaimer. I cant download the repo because I have poor internet since moving out of the city.

maybe I can decompile?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Nah, don't bother. There are dozens of alternatives to CWM and if someone adamantly wants to flash that at the cost of not knowing for sure whether it's safe, I think that's perfectly justified.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Added to post 1:

What do I need to be "Safe"?

Do I need the Bootloader that comes with XXELLA? No - There is no evidence to suggest this fixes anything

Do I need an XXELLA / Update 7 fix Based Kernel? Yes - Kernel is where the fix is

Do I need an XXELLA based ROM? No - The Kernel is where the fix is

Do I need a Recovery with XXELLA / Update 7 fixes? Yes - Recovery uses a Kernel too so it also needs fixes
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I had the same issue when I got mine back. The bootloader seems to be irrelevant. One of the first things I did with mine after restoring the nandroid (pre repair) was to flash an ICS sboot. I read somewhere that this new sboot prevents downgrade but Im not sure if thats true.

From an SDS perspective though, there is no justifiable reason to stay with the latest sboots.
[Galaxy S III General] madffrogs:
Thanks for the quick reply, I know it's a time will tell thing but at least I've tried do something about, whatever will be will be.

cheers.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Got to go to bed. Could you provide me link to the thread please so I can update in the morning? Sorry, not got time to scroll through both dev forums right now
[Galaxy S III General] emmanueldmc:
Here is dude...and thanks for you work!
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Have we confirmed if they will fix under warranty if this happens out of warranty due to it being a Samsung fault?
[Galaxy S III General] priyana:
Exactly. Very bad of Samsung.

I had a Canon IXUS 400 that developed lines in the CCD.

Out of warrranty, brought to them and they replace it FOC because it was a known fault. Samsung should do the same. Shame on them.

With such faulty batch, manufacturer should be replacing it FOC any time, even if the device is working fine, or even if it is out of warranty, really any time as long as they have the parts.

Warranty is only to cover parts that fails too early, out of specs, the outliers of the imperfect production line.