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[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] terminal 7:
may be ..

May be this is not related to Sudden Death but heres my story..

yesterday while happily using my Note 2 i fired up the browser but i didnt seem to have a network connection !, i did a reboot to clear it up..

it didnt reboot ... ... it hung on the booting Omega rom screen constantly ....

i tried several reboots before doing a full wipe via TWRP recovery. .. .. still no good - stuck booting..

i tried now tro restore a backup i had made a week ago ... still the same .. stuck on the booting screen...

so now i tried a new sd card and a fresh copy of omega rom 12, heres where it gets odd, it gets half way through install and just dies, it then powers itself back to recovery, if i install paranoid android , a smaller rom it works ! - now i go back and instll omega rom with all bloat removed and it too boots to full install..

Okay so im thinking may be there is a part of my NAND gone bad that a large rom installs to but a smaller rom may be does not, likewise a full restore from a nandroid uses loads of space which is why that fails too.

i have reflashed TWRP using ODIN just to be safe and repeated all these steps 5 or more times and always the result is the same.

only thing i noticed before yesterday was my screen rotation kept failing and loss of data connection about twice a day - i put this down to some bug as i have changed kernels and frameworks many times - you know how it goes...

so although my Note 2 works, its not running properly at all !! could this be a partial sudden death affecting just a single sector of my NAND?

any thoughts ??

=thank you = peace =
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Try to install Philz's latest recovery via CWM (not Odin!), reboot to recovery, then make a full wipe and format system, data, cache & PRELOAD (make a backup for your eMMC and SD, and then format emmc&sd). Then install Omega (i would install Perseus too.)
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] terminal 7:
Any reaason you say not via odin ? . Many people seem to think odin is a more reliable method . In fact i have even heard some say that their recovery wasnt fully functional after flashin with an existing recovery and only after using odin did full fuctionality return.

I wouldnt say i have a preferance of either method but i just wanted to know if you have a reason .

At this stage ill try anything with good logic aas im worried my note2 is about to stop working entirely .

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Use Odin only if you have the newest bootloader (which is supposed to be patched by Samsung & SDS-free.) I think your problem is related to preload-partition, because TWRP doesn't have an option to format this partition (Philz has) and some system apps stay on this partition (at least with Note1 this was the case.) So make a full wipe, format the partitions and hope you will be fine.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] terminal 7:
Okay . Seems like some logic to this . Just one thing though - omega rom does wipe preload upon install as it says so during the aroma install so surely thats already covered with my setup ?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Never tried Omega, (i use ARHD) but i know that options implemented in Aroma not always are perfect. (When i owned a Note1 i know there was some kernels with recoveries which didn't wipe 100% the partitions leaving residues on that partition.) So these are my thoughts (i definitely would format preload partition & emmc [&system/data/cache] in Philz recovery) then i would reinstall the rom, (maybe i would try wanamlite or arhd also, just in case), before i think to emmc-damage.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
Hi doc, do we still need sds patched recoveries?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
We alwayd needs sds patched recoveries if you using cwm

If you are on stock recovery and if it is latest (2013 released) then it is sds patched.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
Ok doc thanks.. Fyi im still on cwm 6.0.1.5 chenglu. Saw ur post in the thread and just want to double check. Thanks :thumbup::thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockyrevan:
another victim of samsung goofup

Yesterday I got my note 2 back from service centre after sudden death..

Was using alliance rom on note 2 when sds struck my galaxy, luckily got it next day with new eMMC chip..
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
Good to hear :D :thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ForbEx:
Niceone

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[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
What version of Alliance ROM did you have? (I knew rom this should be sds-safe.) And how you got SDS?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockyrevan:
Lucky to still have note 2

Was using alliance Rom ver 1, suddenly phone went dead after cutting a call:( i never checked eMMMC before SDS event happened:confused:

But now after i got phone back, checked for it by downloading eMMC check from playstore..now its SANE chip:victory:

I am convinced that no firmware will safe guard SDS unless you Reverse firmware in eMMC..and thats too risky for novices like me:silly:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] remedya:
This is negligent of Samsung. We need someone to start a class action against Samsung on this matter.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Very strange... what kernel have you used? The default one which come with the Alliance rom?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dcpathak:
Hi Everybody!

I fully agree with remedya. These mobile companies earn super-normal profits as they price their phones at 4 to 5 times its actual cost. And then they show such negligence and indifference toward their customers. At least, Sammy should have acknowledged this issue and should have replaced the faulty chip, at least when someone reaches their service center with a dead phone. Most of the time people get a motherboard with the same faulty chip again once their sets return from service center.

regards,

dcpatahk
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aboalghool:
type: VT00M

FwRev: 0xf7

does that mean i am affected???

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oh saw that im safe
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
You are NOT affected, but why you people don't use the search button? It has answered million times before...
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shado84:
hiI just purchased my note 2, yesterday. from egypt

ROM: N7100XXALJ2

V : 4.1.1

Kernal 3.0.31 oct 2012

eMMC Check

Type: VTU00M

Date 12/2012

FWRev: 0xf7

i have 2 question

1- can i update my phone via kies to 4.1.2 ? ( or keep it on 4.1.1 )

2-my phone not rooted do i have to download another kernal like ( Perseus ) kernal ? (or keep the stock )

the most important thing is being safe from SDS
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teedubz:
SDS killed my phone too...

Basically, once updated to 4.2.1 stock, no root, my phone started acting like an injured puppy

It crashed randomly, and froze intermittently, sometimes once a day and sometimes five times a day...

I basically had no idea what was going on, so decided to root and try a new rom (never doing this before)

So I rooted used cvm? then flashed the Crash Rom and Jellybear rom. These were still crashing so I kept reading XDA thinking I had some infection or Ram issue....I then flashed to Alliance rom and they phone was perfect.

I was then at work and rebooted my phone as I just installed an app and was being overly precious...when I checked in my pocket to see if I had any messages any hour later the phone was DEAD....Unfortunately, that's when I found this forum.....

So.....used my mates note 2 batteries, didn;t help, tried different usb lead...no good

Went to the shop I got it from..they said it would be repaired within 3 week but got it back the same day and I asked what had happened...

They asked had it been overheating..i said no, and they said a chip on the motherboard had almost turned white and was fried...

They put a new motherboard in, and I try the eMMC test...got another dodgy board....

What gives.... just updated to 4.2.1 stock...and leaving it for now
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] [dcw]aaron:
4.2.1 or are you referring to the 4.1.2? coz as far as i know there is no official 4.2.x for the SGN2..
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teedubz:
Apologies... you were right....4.1.2....using the new phone with new motherboard now...awesome service from the company that repaired my phone...they said they had to repair it inhouse as it was an import...my main question is should I risk keeping this. ..my first android phone and the SDS issue is a shocker...

I don't wanna have a custom Rom for awhile. ..so is my phone safe as I presume samsung have no official word on this. ..??
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
4.1.2 released in 2013 only are believed to be safe

Nobody can stamp it as samsung never speak about such issues. But i have seen lots of case but never seen clear case of sds on latest 4.1.2
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] koalauk:
You are safe 0xf7 is a good one
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shado84:
but you didn't answr my question
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
1 . this revision of chip believed to safe, but no one can give guarantee

Update to 4.1.2 of 2013 release will make double safe.

2.its up to you

Just kernel is not enough, you need sds patched recovery too
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shado84:
how can i get patched recovery ?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teedubz:
One thing I got to add is that my Phone died and I was using the perseus kernel......

Honestly. ..not wanting to spread seeds of discontent. ...but I was using 4.1.2....and tried 4.2.2....my phone still died

One other solution is to make sure you stuff is backed up..and you've got your receipt! !

When my phone died I was pissed but now the mother boards been replaced im just gonna be more cautious
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
I

You can flash one from latest rom which believed to be patched for it

Find in first line of my signature post #6

If you want cwm recovery then flash philz which I know having sds patched

---------- Post added at 04:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:38 PM ----------

Can you tell more specifically

Not all 4.1.2 are patched

And which version of persus kernel was there.

And which recovery you were using?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitflyer:
Well I give up. As an international (US) purchaser of this phone made in the UK, I got customs trying to stick me with a fee to get it to the UK, and then I'm sure customs on a few to return it back to the US, which when you add shipping adds up to nearly half the price of the phone.

Still a great device, but poor Samsung support. Maybe would consider buying an official US device in the future, but I liked international devices as they were unlocked and no carrier bloatware. Tough call.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nicholes:
Hi,

I am going to buy galaxy note 2 but after this bug i want to ask a simple question..

"Is 0xf1 is the only chip which has sds ( sudden death syndrome )problem ?"

or

is every chip is good and not affacted by the sds EXCEPT 0xf1 ?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rodrigoyasuda:
0xf1 is affected for sure.

We haven't seen reports of any other chip/revision that have this problem, so we believe 0xf1 is the only one.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] winlinmac001:
My T-Mobile SGH-T889 sures a completely different revision # compared to the International Unit.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teedubz:
Currently im using N7100XXDLK7..

I really don't feel liking rooting or flashing any new roms considering my phone has already died...I feel it was lucky that my warranty wasn't voided as the motherboard was completely dead they couldn't check.

I used the latest alliance rom which uses XXDMA6 JB V1.0. I remember using perseus kernel during install but not sure which version ... also had used cvw to flash and odin. All the files where from the xda....my thing is do I have make anymore changes. ..as this whole ordeal took a whole week to sort. ...though I was lucky to get a 4 hour turnaround for my repair
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
ROM MA6 is patched, but patch was made in kernel and recovery. Now if you have changed kernel and recovery to non patched then likely your device will not have protection for SDS.

As you said you don't know version of persus kernel means possibility is there, if you have older version (when SDS was not patched by samsung) and recovery you have used also not clear whether it was patched or not, that shows you may not have protection from SDS.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ForbEx:
Flash philz touch recovery, it has sds fix :thumbup:

Sent from Galaxy Note 2 via paid Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
+1 :thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gaurav2009:
a question-if I have bootloader of 4.1.2 roms and I am on 4.1.1 am I safe from sds issue??
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
No

Bootloader just patched for Exynose bug

Foe SDS you need patched kernel and recovery.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bambule ahoi:
Hello,

am I safe with Wanam Lite 3.2, newest Perseuskernel and newest twrp?

Is the rom important or does only the kernel and the recovery matters?

Thanks
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
Safe :thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gaurav2009:
ok,i am on latest perseus kernel+philz recovery on 4.1.1 lj3.Am i safe now from sds??
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
Kernel and recovery safe :thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gaurav2009:
thnxx i am on there latest versions,does it includes sds patch or there is some specific version of that?? thanks :D
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Morphy2k:
Is the latest CM10.1 Nightly kernel safe?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yahyoh:
so why this thread in Q&A :eek::eek:

it really should be in General forums IMO :rolleyes:

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cm10.1 is safe long time ago :good:
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Something is strange here, because the Alliance ROM v.1 is from 5-6 february, and the first Perseus kernel which is patched against SDS is from 9 january, so if the guy has installed the Alliance in february, it's very probably that he was used a patched Perseus kernel. So maybe the so called "fix" isn't very efficient? Maybe he wasn't used a safe recovery, but safe CWM is required only when flashing new roms, wipe, etc., no?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
If ur using latest recovery & kernel ur safe.

Probably that guy was not so lucky
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FloatingFatMan:
As long as Sammy are replacing the devices that fail, why bother? I'm sure it wasn't intentional...
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] el_commandante:
The problem is that a lot of the phones start misbehaving and become basically unusable shortly before they die. Mine has been freezing every 10-15 minutes and when I sent if to the official Samsung repair partner here in Germany they claimed they couldn't find a problem with it and so they just sent it back to me. Now I'll have to struggle with it until if finally bricks completely at which point I'll have to wait another 1-2 weeks until I get a replacement. Samsung needs to take a hint from the automotive industry and start doing recalls when the **** up so badly...
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jzjman:
Glad (but unfortunately) I'm not the only one experiencing SDS. I registered just to express my anger and frustration with Samsung. I had a note 2 bought from Hong Kong only 2 months ago. Its a LTE version N7105 i believe. My phone was operating perfectly until one night after I finished a call and switched off the screen, the next time i took out the phone, it was stuck at the boot screen where Samsung and the model name was displayed. Took it to Hong Kong Samsung repair centre and they said I rooted the phone which resulted in a void in my warranty. They asked for up to HK$2xxx repairing fees, but I swear to god I DID NOT root or in anyway modify the firmware. In recovery mode, the firmware is shown as CUSTOM. I have filed a complaint to HK consumer council but guess it wont help much. Someone said we should do a class action against them, i'm totally up for it!
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] el_commandante:
This doesn't look like SDS... How were they able to check the flash flag at all? If your phone died of SDS they would not be able to read anything from the memory. And even if they could they'd replace it anyway, because they are aware of the issue and they know it has nothing to d with your flashing anything on it. Did you flash a custom recover or a ROM? Did you buy the phone new?

I'd contact Samsung directly if I were you and insist on a replacement. Although if your flash counter is tripped and you did buy the phone new I doubt there's much you can do :(
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teedubz:
Yeah... im quite fresh to android being a ex iphone jailbreaker..

As far as using alliance rom and reading all about it...it looked as though I was covered..but obviously I was not as my phone got bricked. ...

I presume that I done something wrong somewhere. .. but wonder if it's worth patching as it didn't "seem" to work. .. either way if your phone. ...

1. Screen rotation is playing up

2. Starts freezing

3. Randomly crashes

Backup, use triangle away if possible. ...and check your guarantee. ..

Has anybody else used the correct kernel and recovery and still had the SDS???
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yoooung:
The only OC I have is enabling of 4x1.7Ghz
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nidhish91:
I am on Omega v13 with twrp latest and stock kernel... I think I am safe...
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Why don't you people read? It was specify many times that exist "half" SDS and full SDS. At "half" SDS even if the phone is not rooted and has the officialy firmware, the download mode shows that the phone has "custom" rom installed, which is NOT true. And because of this in many countries Samsung/service center wants money to replace the mainboard.

It's not about luck or not. The question is if the so called "fix" is really protect us from SDS or not? Because it was reported that even guys using safe kernels got SDS. So now we must figure out if these guys used a safe recovery or not. I tought that safe recoverys was only required if we are using it (for flash roms or wipe partitions). So if they used an unsafe CWM, maybe when they flashed the custom rom, something went bad, damaging eMMC, which caused SDS when they used the installed rom. But if they used a safe recovery, then this mean that the "fix" it's only in our minds, and Samsung don't patched anything.

Not intentional? Samsung are delivering phones with buggy chips from the Galaxy S2 series! (read about S2, Note1 brickbug, S3 SDS, Note2 SDS.) And what about data loss? These phones are now mini-computers with lots of personal data/pics/etc. inside. These premium category phones should be reliable! And what about the discomfort caused? And what about the worries about the warranty-thing? Many people spare for months to buy this phone... Samsung should be replacing dead mainboards no matter how the phone was purchased, because its his fault.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] el_commandante:
Zetlorf, sorry but I cannot spend all day long reading through all possible threads and responses - some of us have lives you know ;) I did read all the major threads on SDS and I never saw anything about half SDS.

In any case, thanks for informing us!
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bushako:
Why are they even still selling Note 2 with the old rom? At the least they should instruct all their sales center to advice and offer customers updates on the spot. And most importantly acknowledging this serious flaw publicly. This should hit the headlines instead of all the samsung adverts posted all over the place.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ForbEx:
They can't reopen box

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[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Sorry, but i can't appreciate this type of sarcasm (triviality) if you give wrong advice to others who runs into trouble.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] el_commandante:
First of all, this I didn't give advice, I just shared what I know and I asked a couple of follow up questions. Second, this is why this is a FORUM and not a support line or customer service. Third, there was no sarcasm or triviality in my post. I'm sorry but I really don't have the time to read every single post on every single issue. I do my best to read as much as I can before I post and when I contribute I do it to the best of my ability.

So, again, thanks for your input and correcting my apparently wrong comment. I learned something new again.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badril81:
What u mean maybe? There is no maybe..

Who flash patched CWM and patched kernel and gets sds?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zetlorf:
Or maybe... you know something for sure?

Just read back and ask the guys who got SDS on 4.1.2 roms if they had safe recoveries or not.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ForbEx:
Absolutely true

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[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vagsvag:
sds had fixed said sammobile. com

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/01/17/galaxy-note-ii-software-update-n7100xxdll7-brings-battery-drain/
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mazdamiata210:
So what if I bought my N7100 online and I live in the US? If it breaks what do I do? I wouldn't think Samsung in the US could fix the N7100.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] destrife:
if i didnt root n jz stay DMB4 will i face SDS?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MJW:
Mine is an LTE N7105 and MAG4FB/0xf7. However I just found out my wife's replacement GSIII has the bad eMMC. Her previous one died a horrible death, probably because of the brickbug. Loading Perseus now.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] poltec:
My GT-N7105

Type: MAG4FB

FwRew: 0xf1
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] craiigman:
If this was to happen, who do you send it to for a new one/ repairs and does it cost?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sandiegopaneraiguy:
Finally something goes my way... I am MAG4FB and 0xf7
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] el_roy1985:
Guess I'm one of the unlucky ones. What is it that causes the phone to brick? It must be more of a software issue then a hardware issue if it can be fixed with a properly coded kernel.

It should now be a requirement that any kernel made for the Note 2 have the brickbug fix implemented. Right now I don't plan on any custom ROMs any time soon, but a few years down the road I really don't want to have to constantly worry about my phone randomly bricking after Samsung stops supporting the phone with updates and I want a more current ROM.

After a quick search, I really was not able to find any actual cases of this issue.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whit3h4wks:
I am not sure but I dont think you are affected, cox it happends with firmware 0xf1.

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If you dont mind could you please provide the link to the recovery in which the sds patch was included.