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[Galaxy S III General] diegoviola:
I don't plan on using a custom kernel, I'm going to stick to CM10.1 kernel.

So should XXELLA be fine for me?

I just want to be safe from the SDS fiasco.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

That IS a custom kernel :/

Yes sure, the xxella bootloader will mean you can use download mode safely without worry from SDS.

It also means if you have any other fault that means phone won't boot or you cannot flash rom, your warranty will be void. It's your choice.

By the way, xxella bootloader only protects you in download mode. You don't really need to use download mode for anything.
[Galaxy S III General] diegoviola:
I see, thanks, I use CM10.1 and never used another kernel other than the CM kernel when using CM. I thought custom kernels were the siyah kernel in that context. Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Great.

I don't care a lot about warranty, but I don't understand when you say "if you have any other fault that means phone won't boot or you cannot flash rom", is the XXELLA bootloader more error-prone than the one I'm currently using (ICS)?

Ok, sounds good, thanks for your reply. I'll think about it some more in what to do.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Any suggestions plz
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok so when you have custom, the bootloader says custom counter = 1. You can reset this with an android app called triangle away. With ics bootloader, that is end of story. Counter = 0 forever.

With jb bootloader, use triangle away, counter = 0. Reboot phone, counter = 1. Use triangle away, counter = 0, reboot = 1

So if you get a fault that needs repair. Lets say phone partially boots then fails, android will not load... boot = 1 but cannot use triangle away, warranty void.

Or, usb port broken, cannot return to stock, counter = 1.

If you have no warranty, it doesn't matter. If you do have warranty, there is a small risk that some faults msy mean you cannot return it to in warranty status
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Are you using cm10.1? Because if you are that is irrelevant. The things you are referring are for stock Samsung ROMs. Either you keep cm kernel or install a custom one like yank555 one, as both have the fix. If you go for yank555 use the one with updated Mali drivers with the latest cm 10.1 nightly.

Cheers
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

No I use Omega Rom touch wiz based.... I'm assuming the two kernels MB1 and LLA are the same just different build dates
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Dunno. XXELKC and XXELLA Kernels were both from update 7, yet one contains Exynos fix and the other doesn't. Surely 4.2.1 will be "update 8" but who knows what;s in MB1? I don't even know what MB1 we're talking about., There are 2 (or more) of them.
[Galaxy S III General] diegoviola:
Is there any reason I might want to reset the counter to 0 other than warranty? My phone has no warranty anymore. The store where I bought the phone only gave me 1 month warranty, and I have the phone for 3-4 months now.

If something goes wrong with XXELLA or JB bootloader, could I just go to download mode and reflash stock from there, or even better, boot straight to CWM from poweroff and reflash CM10.1 from there?

Thanks.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Samsung gives a 1year hardware warranty which means if something goes wrong besides cosmetic or water damage they will fix it... And I guess in some European countries this warranty is extended by an additional year so if you are rooted it is a good idea to purchase Triangle away and make everything look official
[Galaxy S III General] diegoviola:
Ok but there aren't other reasons to reset the counter to 0 other than warranty itself, right?
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Nope other than OTA updates if your not worried about warranty then the count doesn't matter
[Galaxy S III General] diegoviola:
Ok thanks.
[Galaxy S III General] diegoviola:
Will MB1 also have the SDS fix or just LLA?
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

So I read on another thread that Samsung has released the update 8 sources what does this mean in terms of SDS will developers be able to find any new info
[Galaxy S III General] tiby87:
Ok, but I am on stock from the begining and the counter is 1, or on jb doesn't matter if i am stock or custom?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Only if there's new info to find
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If counter = 1, warranty = void
[Galaxy S III General] tiby87:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok, in this case it is possible to reset the counter with triagle away?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
I'm getting tired of these dumb questions.

You can only walk in without a doubt and get warranty if flash counter is ZERO

If it's not ZERO, regardless of whether you've done anything to your phone or not, you will probably not get warranty

If you're on the new bootloader and have rooted/flashed custom ROMs etc, flash counter will always pop back to 1 (a non-ZERO number) on a reboot

With old bootloader you can trick warranty because counter stays at ZERO, but using Download Mode is risky as you might trigger SDS

In short, if you want warranty, you have to ensure your counter is zero. Either you switch to stock and use new bootloader or use AOKParanogenMod and the old bootloader

Please read the OP, everything is summarised there
[Galaxy S III General] quebec1:
on an Italian forum I just talked to a person to whom the phone was hit by sudden death after 180 days. Its configuration was stock rom xema2
[Galaxy S III General] ponepo:
Based on the comments of the people who have disappeared freezes with UK XXEBM1, I hope this release of Update 8 will clarify whether this ROM has some improvement about de fix SDS.
[Galaxy S III General] aka3-:
thanks
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

@rootsu

I've been reading some stuff and added some links related to new sds fix code and Samsung update 8 here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=38584366
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

When was update 8 released? I thought yesterday?

Andreis commit (authored by oranav) was feb 13th...
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Not sure, I based myself on the post by Rob.
[Galaxy S III General] ponepo:
Bingo!
[Galaxy S III General] morchi:
phone freezes :(

hi guys,

been looking for the problem in the threads here and found some similar, though a month or so ago, and wanted to know if anyone else had the same problem.

the problem started only yesterday, i installed the new Real Racing game, and the phone has froze during the download, waited about 5 minutes and long pressed the power key.

tried to reinstall it after awhile and it seems to get stuck again, so i might have restarted the phone with long press on power key. the last time i tried (and succeeded) it took the game more than an hour to download all the files (should have been much less), and the game worked just fine.

last night the phone just froze for long times, doing random stuff (and not anything that got to do with the game), again, was restarting it the same way.

on the morning it was fine, but in the last two hours i've been wiping and flashing the rom over and over.

now when the rom is new and clean the phone freezes after few minutes.

the rom i was flashing is xxemr2, with stock kernel.

now i'm going to try and flash the new leak (until it gets here i let the phone cool down with the battery out of it, not sure if it'll help any), and getting the stock firmware so that i could flash with odin later if i'll need to go and use the warrenty.

would love to hear if anyone else know anything about that phenomena and if it's related to the SDS.

update: flashed a stock rom through odin, phone freezes right from the start. it's froze for 20 min now.

i want to reset the flash counter and bring it back to it's original state so i can use the warrenty.
[Galaxy S III General] DjentleDjiant:
Having similar issues as well. This issue has only started to occur recently for me (started about 2 days ago out of the blue...).
[Galaxy S III General] ponepo:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

It could be the fix fighting against the SDS. I'd flash the UK XXEMB1 that it's supposed better revision of the fix

Enviado desde mi Nexus 10 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

The phone freezes because the sds fix is actively preventing sds.

Put it this way, without the fix - that first freeze you had, instead your phone would be dead. Sds
[Galaxy S III General] noobSU:
Im covered

Using Boeffla Kernel 2.7.2 + Philz touch recovery 4.35 + Jellybean 4.1.2 XXELLA bootloader what else? :)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Nothing else
[Galaxy S III General] indresh88:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I have this insane chip present on my i9300 vtu00m 0*f1 , I am on ics 4.0.4 i9300DDLH1 indian firmware..

What should I do to root and prevent sdf.....As per what I get from my old experience with my galaxy s2 device...I should ota to 4.1.2 jellybean....so it will fix this insane chip behaviour...and then I root my phone.......right guys???
[Galaxy S III General] morchi:
had an idea that the internal sd is corrupted but if what you say is true (and i believe you know what you're saying) than i guess that's pretty much a relief.

now, should i go to the seller and use my warrenty? already un rooted and triangled away.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

They won't find a problem. They'll just reflash it. Soon to come updates are being reported to freeze less. My advice is to hang in there.

Also, rob222 in the ultimate sds thread, posted somewhere that:

1) he believes allowing the freeze to resolve itself, leads to fewer freezes in future

2) by filling sd with dummy files, can trigger freeze so that 1 can occur
[Galaxy S III General] Gorgtech:
I also own a bugged S3 ( VTU00M 05/2012 ) and never experienced any freezes before. I use Yank555´s kernel and my custom rom. I also use Philz´s Touch Recovery.
[Galaxy S III General] morchi:
the thing is that the phone freezes right after flashing it (stock or custom, it doesn't matter).

i hope it will be fixable, less me going to sort it out in labs, the better. :(
[Galaxy S III General] RohanM:
Phones UP TIME

Ahhhh my phone's UP TIME... wow not a single freeze or reboot or hang...... :) :good:
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Given that the freezing is the software preventing SDS and that SDS is triggered by writing to the internal memory, and flashing is writing to the internal memory, I'd say that makes sense.
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
Even more, much first time initialisation data will be written after a wipe/hard reset. This _can_ then cause freezes on affected phones.

BR

Rob
[Galaxy S III General] madsul:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

So just so I have it clear in my head.

If I update my firmware I should expect the phone to freeze on the reboot? And then I should just leave it for 20-30 minutes and then it should come good?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

So it seems
[Galaxy S III General] ginzo:
I have an S3 with VTU00M 05/2012 affected..

No problems at all, I am flashing many times (I made my first rom 1 month ago and I'm testing new versions with new flashes) and no freezes.

At the moment I'm mounting Perseus 33.3 kernel and Philz recovery touch.

In case the phone freezes, should I have to leave it off for 30 min and then it should be ok?

thank you all for the help :)
[Galaxy S III General] BossStang:
No dont turn it off, just let it be untill it unfreezes.
[Galaxy S III General] ginzo:
R: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I hope it will never happen but if there any trouble I will remember your suggestion ;)

Tapatalked from my Galaxy S3

Rom: Maya v1 ♥

Kernel: Perseus 33.3

cwm: Philz Touch

Modem: Buelk1
[Galaxy S III General] saprer:
Hello guys i have a really important question to you:

i have an S3 and yes im affected with the insane chip.

My question is now: i flashed perseus kernel but im still on stock rom, will my phone die or does the fix Freezes my phone?

ive got warranty but only if i stay at full stock (so no root am i right?). if it freezes its no problem for me i will flash with odin stock rom and TA it so everything is Official , so i can give to reperature. So does this FIX let the phone Freeze instead of letting it dying?
[Galaxy S III General] donalgodon:
Yes, that's correct. The freezing isn't the dying, it's the fix working to prevent SDS. If your phone freezes, just be patient and let it work.
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
XXUFMB3 Android 4.2.1 is this FW have the sudden death fix?????

how to know it????? :confused: :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
4.1.2 onwards all firmware have the fix, as far as I know.

PS: You own a lot of devices. * insert "not bad" meme here *
[Galaxy S III General] Holywolf:
Hi all,

I've come with a problem recently with sudden bootloop on my S3 GT-I9300 running JB 4.1.2 XXEMR2 Stock with Stock Kernel. My phone had a bootloop in the morning when it's fully charge & just about to receive a phone call. The phone still plug in to the charger and it suddenly freeze up continued by bootloop. There is a rare occasion when I'm opening an app, then a call come in, the phone will freeze also. When the phone freeze, I tried to restart it by holding the power button, then when it coming to the home screen again, it started bootloop (restart until the Samsung logo). I have tried Full Wipe installation of the ROM and this problem still came up.

Are these the sign of the SDS patch kicking in? Or it's the phone motherboard ready to be change? I'm still on warranty period...
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
:good: :highfive: :highfive: tnx mate :silly:
[Galaxy S III General] MrFitty:
:good: Thx mate.
[Galaxy S III General] zadusimple:
One very helpful post by AndiP on Update 8 Sources ( and it's relation to SDS) :

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=38772147&postcount=2148
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
This looks to me more like a hope / assumption than a statement.

BR

Rob
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
It would be nice to see the context of the post too
[Galaxy S III General] hansen5265:
im using the latest kernel by persues (alpha 33) and on xxemr2 but the sudden death still persist
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
The sudden death is on the eMMC. Unless you have a different eMMC, it will always persists. The kernel cannot magically change your eMMC for you. Please read post 1
[Galaxy S III General] demlasjr:
Hey rootSU and Rob2222 !

Not sure if you remember me and my freezing issue on the S3, I posted a log 2 weeks ago. I promised to keep everyone here updated about the freezing issue. I got my phone back, this is what they did:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=38783372&postcount=230
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
I don't think that this is a good idea. You need to have luck that they change your mainboard and you need luck to get a good service point.

I monitor 3 german forums and XDA and more than once the people get the phone back with just a new firmware installed and it's freezing soon again.

Even more, sometime people get the phone back in much worser state (scratches) then they send it in.

After monitoring the service-center-complaining threads in some german boards I am sure that I will try ALL I can before sending my phone in.

Sure, you can also have luck, like in your case...

EDIT:

Just read 4 posts in your thread back:

Thats what I mean.

BR

Rob
[Galaxy S III General] donalgodon:
If we have an insane chip, can we get it replaced without actually having SDS, or do we need to wait until it dies first?
[Galaxy S III General] kadopt:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Samsung does not admit sds, you have to wait until it has issues or dies.
[Galaxy S III General] demlasjr:
I guess I'm really lucky then. I included them a file with all the things I tried to do and didn't worked on my phone and the log from Android System Info when the phone frozen and they replaced it. Also, the phone is exactly how I sent it, no screw's tracks of being opened, nothing). They also made a complete test of the device after they replaced it.

I will sell you a trick: I was to the local service and they asked me to leave the device there and they will send it to level 1 support and it will take 1 month to get it fixed (they were sending it to other center, authorized). I refused and talked with Samsung, so they asked me to call the official technical support, which is Anovo in Europe. I called them in Madrid and I had to paid the shipping fees for my S3 to and from their service, which cost 24 euros (30 $) because my device was carrier unlocked (if it's locked is free, don't know why). I made a wire transfer and next day they picked up the device from my phone. ETA for reparation: 10 days

Today is the 9th day and they shipped it back fixed. Replaced components, updated it, now is the smoothest phone I ever had, smoother than the day I bought it, full of apps I have 260 mb ram free and no more freezes. I really recommend you writing to people which are having such problems (you can even edit the first post of this thread) to contact with Anovo directly (http://www.anovo.com). They have some phone numbers there and an automatic message will say: "For samsung press 1". They will help you guys fixing the phone fast and I mean it: FIX not a simple update.

If Anovo is not directly operate in your country, call Samsung and ask for the official service (

not

authorized) and they will give you the number. Call there are even if the center it's not close to you, arrange a shipping with them.

Best of luck to everyone ! ;)

P.S. For the first time in my life, I will say God bless Samsung service LOL
[Galaxy S III General] frrndr75:
Hello (sorry for my english use google translator :)), I have a question to ask, I hope someone can help me in this torment. I read a lot about SDS, and this is my situation with CF-root stock rom and recovery modidicata, the startup screen when I turn the phone does not come out the red exclamation symbol, of course having the root and recovery in the counter are 1 but this would increase only after a reboot right?

Now I want to know if that happens the SDS the assistance samsung Agreement will change and so do not pass it under warranty?

curiosity bigger and how do they understand that you changed something and if the phone does not start DEAD, reasoning that I have done and change the logic board or CPU and flash with odin the FW ...

talking with some friends drinking a beer and there came a certain idea a little crazy! is there a way to cause the SDS so we change the defective part and we stand the problem :)

thanks again for the answers and congratulations to everyone for topic.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
1 - There isn't a sureshot way to cause SDS, but this is one method: downgrade to unsafe ROM and run a script that generates random dumps of file(s) on the eMMC. Everybody who has done this has had their phone die (but they were all suffering freezes so their devices would probably have died soon anyway)

2 - In some cases of SDS the phone boots to Download Mode - if that happens to you, you won't get warranty

3 - To reset counters, read OP, I'm sure rootSU has written about/linked to it. In short you'll need the old bootloader and TriangleAway

4 - There is still a chance of them discovering you're rooted (all they have to do is check ro.secure via adb, if it's accessible) and hence voiding your warranty
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
@pickandwhammy:

Do you know cases where people downgraded to 4.1.1 and used DFG to accelerate sudden death? If yes, could you maybe point me on that posts?

Would be very interesed.

BR

Robert
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
I don't, since I'm not bothered, but you can search on this thread. I've pointed you to a post which claims that SDS can be forced (and as you can see I was refuting it :p )
[Galaxy S III General] frrndr75:
Thanks for the answers but I think for my knowledge it would be better to make the third answer, the old bootloader where is it? I am now with Android 4.1.2 xella, and can flash an old bootloader on this release ... if I understand it would flash with odin?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
If you're on stock you'll need to use a custom recovery to just flash the bootloader. I don't think an ODIN bootloader-only file exists. Attached the one you can flash from CWM.

@rootSU: I suppose you could copy the link to this attachment in the OP, to avoid it getting lost (again)?
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
Well, from the logical aspect running DFG on a 4.1.1 device that already was freezing under 4.1.2 before downgrade should indeed accelerate sudden death.

Just nobody has tested it yet. And I even would not suggest it. The risk of getting no warranty for whatever reason is to high imho.

BR

Rob
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
...if only we knew what the difference between triggers on full and half sds were...
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Done
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
I think it's the following way:

When eMMC Bug on unfixed Firmware kicks in, it damages a _random_ eMMC blocks. Or to be more precise, I think it just damages the data on this block.

Now it depends which data is on this block that get data-damage:

If theres just a JPEG picture saved, you just have a damaged JPEG picture.

If theres a part of a file allocation table saved, you can have data loss of more files.

If theres some important system data android needs to boot, maybe the PIT or something similar, you have a "half" sudden death.

If theres the first/main bootloader and it breaks, you have a "full" sudden death.

It is simply said random / unpredictable.

At least thats the way I think(!) it happens.

BR

Robert
[Galaxy S III General] crumec:
hummm

type : VTUOOM

FwRev : 0xf7

HW Rev 1.500

12/2012

Safe?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Unaffected is perhaps a better word.
[Galaxy S III General] frrndr75:
ok thank you very much!

so I should flash recovey file (maybe wipe cache / Dalvik?), has this point with the old bootloader even if he went in samsung care you would not see anything on the counter, and goes clean to the original?

else the old boot loader and can always install other rom I suppose and after replace the old bootloader right?

with regard to the test result in the SDS I'll also be distant from it, but before I ask advice from a lawyer friend of mine if you can assert that European law on guarantees!
[Galaxy S III General] demlasjr:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If the phone is dead because of the SDS, the service would not be able to boot it, so they would not know the phone was flashed or/and root, so you are fine.
[Galaxy S III General] kvafsal95:
sudden death

my fon is damaged.it is coming download mod but not entering to recovery mod.i cannot turn on my fon.when flashing it is stuck on setup connection on odin.wht to do next to wake my fon up.
[Galaxy S III General] donalgodon:
You are asking in the wrong section, but if you can get into download mode, you can easily Odin flash back to a stock ROM and leave your phone alone until you read more about what you are doing to potentially destroy your device by allowing your zeal to overcome your level of knowledge.

Good luck.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Try chanting some abracadabra?