yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III General] padraigdoran:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I'm suspicious about previous damage too as you can read on my post a little while ago. It was a few days after knowing about the problem that I flashed the fixes.
[Galaxy S III General] JPsy Droid:
AW: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok, than this all is just for laughing.

Can't count users who asked whether the bootloader is a problem - and all of them were laughed down :(

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[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

... and in touch ... :p:D
[Galaxy S III General] rand0m_insanity:
Hi guys. I think my phone is screwed. Here's rundown:

Found out about SDS and that my phone was affected early January. Phone is rooted, running a custom ROM. Found out that the fix was available, so I flashed ELLA Wanam + Perseus Kernel + Philz Touch Recovery so that I would be "protected" from it.

All went well, so it seemed days, weeks after flashing it. I added a few mods such as Jkay and JB Domination and tweaked away to my liking. Phone was stable and was having no problems for a couple of weeks until this afternoon.

When I picked up my phone, it was laggy as hell, and would not respond right away. Then screen turned off and wont turn back on. I thought "crap, this might be the end! (SDS)". I did a battery pull and was relieved that my phone booted normally. I noticed that my battery level was running low, so I decided to plug it into my wall charger (stock Sammy wall charger) and left it alone for a few hours to charge.

When I checked back on in it, screen wouldnt turn on. I did a battery pull again and was relieved that it still booted normally. This time, I waited for it to boot completely. All seemed normal at first. I decided that I needed to text someone, so I opened the messaging app. Screen froze, no response whatsoever.

So to cut the long story short, I initially thought that it was a ROM problem, so I reflashed Wanam first without wiping to see if there would be any difference. It still freezes. I successfully made a nandroid backup of my phone, made a full wipe and reflashed but it still did not solve the freezing. Downloaded the latest Wanamlite ROM (5.5 I think), made a full wipe and flashed it. Nothing.

I think that this may have been a "wear issue" on the phone's emmc chip prior to the "fix", that is, if it really does fix the issue. I just wish that my phone would completely die, SDS style so that I could send it to Sammy without hassle.

My phone is still covered by warranty, but how can I unroot successfully when I could not even boot Android completely? :-s
[Galaxy S III General] owl74:
Can it go to boot loader? If not then they cant see you are rooted etc...
[Galaxy S III General] AndreiLux:
I also was one of those who said that you don't need the bootloader, because, well you don't really it. It's just a case of having something flashed via download mode where that scenario comes into play. I'm not familiar at all with the internals of the bootloader, so that's why I said it. For daily use the patched kernel and MMC driver is enough.

Personally I didn't use download mode for flashing something in over 7 months, so I couldn't care less about the bootloader driver having the patch.
[Galaxy S III General] cristian274:
custom kernels and recovery for XELLC stock rom?

Since I update clean and clear XXELLC stock rom, do i need to install custom kernels and custom recovery? Does XXELLC's kernels and recovery include update 7? thanks in advance
[Galaxy S III General] cocous:
is there any way to do my device with custom rom to show in download mode the system official and no custom?

the other counters is 0 and bin is no. only this remain. il try to downgrade from xxella to xxblfb successfully but this no change.

somebody to help?
[Galaxy S III General] eRPeeX:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Old boot loader and triangle away from change will reset everything.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

@Andeilux So sticking with old Ics bootloader is fine as long as your not flashing in download mode... IS IT SAFE to check the system status and binary counts in download mode with the old bootloader or should I stay away from download mode altogether

Galaxy S3

Omega Rom V37
[Galaxy S III General] padraigdoran:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I'm in the same situation. I've it patched but it's acting strange, seems like the fix is stalling the phone now. I'd rather it die so I can get a repair than having a buggy phone.

Btw, you shouldn't have to remove the battery, just hold the power button for about 10 seconds.
[Galaxy S III General] cocous:
what do you mean ?

i put again the xxblfb bootloader and then?

il be run the triangle away?

and after i flash the custom rom?

and some else

is definitely safe the old bootloader from sds
[Galaxy S III General] cristian274:
Are there anyone please help answer my question. Thanks so much !
[Galaxy S III General] rand0m_insanity:
Does it freeze as well? Mine is so bad it is literally unusable. On hindsight, I think my phone was giving me signals that there was something wrong. Prior to the patch, I could go on days to weeks without rebooting. One time I remember my uptime was like a month. Then after the patch, I would have to reboot every so often as my phone was getting sluggish and slightly unresponsive. I just thought that it was an issue with the ROM and I was close to flashing a non-sammy custom ROM. Then this.

BTW, I am on the old bootloader, and luckily, it shows as official firmware and all. So if I were to return this for warranty, I would simply have to flash a stock rom (via odin?)? Am I correct that these stock ROMs contain the stock recovery as well? So all I have to do after flashing stock is to restore factory settings and I am all clear?

Also, I do have some important stuff in the internal memory. Is there a way I could pull them out beforehand? Thanks!
[Galaxy S III General] guerouig:
with the latset eMMC check, it checks if the chip is affected or not right away, and it also offers a memory check, how relevant is it to the sds???
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Yes, XXELLC's kernels and recovery include update 7 . U are safe.
[Galaxy S III General] eRPeeX:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Triangle away flashed as last
[Galaxy S III General] TakaKeiji:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Im confused where can i get this safe bootloader, currently im using XXELL4 with Yank kernel and Philz Recovery so im not quite sure if my phone is safe :(
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
U should have it in your ROM file
[Galaxy S III General] cocous:
il try with xxblfb bootloader but the system status is custom again

dont change anything

the bin is no and the counter is 0

the system status?

i repeat with custom rom no official
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
xxblfb bootloader is ICS 4 : shoud be ok for triangle issue ..
[Galaxy S III General] cocous:
if i flash the official is ok

il try with custom

all others is ok but the status is custom and no official

you have custom rom with official status?
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

No no,I.mean XXELLA OR XXELLC etc...
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Codec rom xxella

But is saying sane because it doesn't recognize my phone as S3...
[Galaxy S III General] zyclops1:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Ok,got it,thanks....... :D:D:D:D
[Galaxy S III General] amradel:
I did A Post Day Ago Yet None Responded Plz Someone Help Me Cuz My Phone Is Dead For a Week ,, The Post Was " I get that flashing new software will fix the problem of SD .... but how to flash the new software since the mobile is not responding and wont even open in download mood or charging !! I need Help plz ... " Plz Someone Respond on Me Am Sry for Being Annoying but Am Really So Annoyed ... !!
[Galaxy S III General] boo85:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I'm sorry to say, but you have SD and can't go into download mode, you basically can't do anything else but send it for servicing.

The kernels, recoveries and bootloader with the SD fix can only help to prevent SD from occurring. If you already have SD, they won't help at all.
[Galaxy S III General] gadgetcraze:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Is the next wave of affected devices cropping up? Because the other day someone was mentioning that the number of users reporting sudden death everyday are decreasing.

4.1.2 is finally out for my country. Need to flash everything back to stock to be warranty ready in case......
[Galaxy S III General] eiskafee:
Pre-SDS Freezes

I'm running stock 4.1.2 unrooted device.

I am facing freezing issues since the whole last week. It stays stuck for 10/15 mins and comes back to normal or i have to do a hard restart.

Do you guys think random freezing is a Pre-SDS symptom? I think I do have the latest firmware which is said to have the fix for SDS.

But I am so annoyed by this freezing problem, Is SDS coming soon? Any suggestions?
[Galaxy S III General] Ci5co:
an idea

Hi. i'd change a bit the second point of the recap from

to

because the first time i read that, it was a bit confusing.
[Galaxy S III General] normally_crazy:
Thanks xanthrax...

That throws up a couple of questions more...

Here in India the Official Sammy ROM is JB 4.1.1

Suppose the SDS attacks my phone and the service guys get it into download mode...they can know I am running 4.1.2 ......so they can refuse to honor the warranty.

How do I get around that ?

Also I can get rid of the red exclamation mark by flashing an old bootloader ...what are the pros and cons of the old boot loader ?
[Galaxy S III General] TakaKeiji:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Whats about the bootloader? Change it by the ics old one or keep the XXELL*? Thats isnt so clear by now, XD

Because i want to prevent this issue, i dont have warranty so if fails, repairing should be very expensive. :banghead:

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[Galaxy S III General] siavash_Skh:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

If you don't have warranty, absolutely you should keep XELL* bootloader.

As AndreiLux said, the old bootloader are not safe, specialy when you flash anything over download mod.
[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Old bootloaders are not safe? Thought bootloader had nothing to do with SDS!

122 days and counting!
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Andrei stated above very clear .

New BL are coming with a fix/protection when flash via Odin , the old ones doesn't.

It's a matter of choice , don't use Odin when on old BL
[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

So wait. I flashed via Odin official XELLA. Then flashed over it paranoid Rom, Yank555 kernel and Philz recovery. I have red exclamation mark when I boot. Do I have new bootloader running? I'm confused...

This is what I got. Am I safe? Dont know if I am anymore!

122 days and counting!
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yes piji ! You do have it ! Run this command on terminal emulator

cat /proc/last_kmsg |grep bootloader

You'll see the BL version you've got
[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Thanks for replying. I got this from terminal emulator

Should I change something? Bootloader, kernel, anything in order to be "safe"? Sorry to bother you but I this bootloader thing messed my ideas up.

122 days and counting!
[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Or you can download android info at playstore to view what bootload you have.
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yep , more info :cool:
[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Thanks both of you. So is my phone safe? Should I change anything?

122 days and counting!
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Yes you are
[Galaxy S III General] amir_bse:
Factory reset after upgrading to XXELLB?

Hi Dudes!

yesterday i upgraded to XXELLB via OTA (over the air)

Everything seems beautiful, i didn't lose any data or installed applications.

is it necessary to commit a factory reset after the OTA update?

thanks.

p.b : please don't tell me it is recommended to do a factory reset. i know it's better, but focus on question : is it necessary?
[Galaxy S III General] joanquro:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Try using Triangle Away 2.37

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[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Yes, totally! Otherwise the Martians will invade any moment.
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Amir ... Martians are nice , especialy the blondes only their pizza is bad ... so let them go in , don't perform any action .

Your good man as it is ! :cool:
[Galaxy S III General] amir_bse:
Please!! don't treat me like a fool! :( some people have told me that many parts like KERNEL will be substituted completely after a factory reset. i know it's true when you flash by Odin, but what about the OTA?

i'm a newbie, be serious!:cyclops:
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
This is what happens when you know only partial information :p

Don't worry man, if your phone already works, why bother "fixing" it? You don't need to wipe anything.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

I've added the possibility of requiring a bootloader in post 1, due to recent information from AndreiLUX. Originally there was no evidence to suggest the bootloader addressed anything, as previously stated.

It is now apparent that download mode uses a bootloader packaged micro-kernel, which makes sense.

It will only affect those who use download mode. Personally I am rooted so I don't use it so i'll be sticking with one that doesn't mess with the flash counter, however anyone who does use download mode should consider updating. Those who care more about flash counters and will stay with older bootloaders should avoid flashing anything in download mode
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Amir ... my last sentence was very serious ... BTW , why so serious ? And now more serious than never : please do read a little bit more if love your phone as it looks like you do !
[Galaxy S III General] owl74:
thanks,

before noobs like myself ask what to use for flashing by not using download mode, use mobileOdin from playstore. If you flash stock kernel/rom, mobileOdin can still keep the phone rooted so you can still use apps that needs a rooted phone.
[Galaxy S III General] amir_bse:
Oh dear, i've read many articles in our domestic forums (IRAN) and then compared them to XDA and now i'm confused. many people told me to flash your phone with Odin and even use PIT files for sure. i didn't, fortunately Update released and i received it OTA last night. the only thing i just need is a clear answer to this question : is factory reset necessary to fix Kernel issue after OTA update?

so as you mentioned during your serious conversation,i have to, or i MUST reset my phone after OTA updates, , tell me which way is preferred?

using merely "Factory Data Reset" in options menu or using reset codes (which doesn't work anymore in 4.1.1 and over)?

i don't know.. so guide me.

thank you.
[Galaxy S III General] toroid:
hello

I took a look at samsung's update7 fix and it seems that they added some erase operation at every mmc init, resume or power restore:

err = mmc_movi_erase_cmd(card->host, 0x00040300, 0x4A03B510);

err = mmc_movi_erase_cmd(card->host, 0x00040304, 0x28004790);

err = mmc_movi_erase_cmd(card->host, 0x00040308, 0xE7FED100);

err = mmc_movi_erase_cmd(card->host, 0x0004030C, 0x0000BD10);

err = mmc_movi_erase_cmd(card->host, 0x00040310, 0x00059D73);

err = mmc_movi_erase_cmd(card->host, 0x0005C7EA, 0xFD89F7E3);

Sounds to me like resetting internal wear leveling counters. What a brutal workaround!
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Which essentially means there is not much in the way of wear levelling. Great!

:thumbdown:
[Galaxy S III General] quebec1:
j read a new information of bootloader, and I understand that if i use the old bootloader i don't use download mode with odin it' ok?

but now i have some questions:

1) if i use odin with old bootloader is possible that during the flash the phone death for the sudden death?

2) can i use odin mobile pro?

3) also i used triangle away 2.60, 2.50 and 2.37 both have reset the counter to 0, bat the status of the phone remain always on modificated. i used omega rom v 39. Which version of triangle away can i try for report the status of the phone from modifcated to normal?

4) now after the installation of omega v39, i reinstall emmc check and i see that i have a bug chip for the sudden death
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

@AndreiLUX

We know you are a smart guy. So my question is:

Are you able to implement the fix of a new bootloader into an older one? That way we were able to have the benefits of both.

Taper di Tap with my S3 @193 days
[Galaxy S III General] TakaKeiji:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Thanks a lot for the information, ill keep the XXELL4 anyway i flash my phone under mobile odin xD.

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[Galaxy S III General] kemaro30:
safe or not?

hey there people, got busy these past weeks and i just saw this thread :/

i am running XXELL5 atm using Siyah Kernel 1.8.7 with its recovery hijacked to my 3 option reboot.

my bootloader is I9300XXBLFB..

is it safe? or not? its my phones 149th day now.

Edit: I just changed now my bootloader to I9300XXELLA.
[Galaxy S III General] boo85:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Just curious, what are the implications to us users as the result of such an implementation?

I am a bit skeptical if that's the function of these codes. How will this help in preventing SDS then?
[Galaxy S III General] nhariamine:
As mentioned by Andreilux, it's not a possiblity of bootloader to prevent SDS from flashing with odin, it a sure thing which make sense comparing to kernel and recovery fix.
[Galaxy S III General] cocous:
hi all

i want to ask something

the XXELL4 bootloader and the XXELLA bootloader is the same?

because i read in first post maybe the bootloader has some fix and i want to change. i have now the xxell4, i must put the xxella?
[Galaxy S III General] kemaro30:
it says from the first page that it is both safe, however i think you or we should flash the latest one or the XXELLA.
[Galaxy S III General] mclaudio:
can anyone please post latest bootloader for me to flash over odin and also odin option i should use?

thanks
[Galaxy S III General] cocous:
the first post says about kernels. no bootloaders

i ask for the bootloader.;)
[Galaxy S III General] balayogesh:
My phone is dead today

Today after noon my phone was 5% in the afternoon and so i charged it. after 2 hours i went to check my phone. Red LED was glowing but screen dint turn on so i tried power button but no use. So i removed battery and restarted but nothing displayed on screen. Its dead now. :(

Any suggestions....
[Galaxy S III General] siavash_Skh:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Which rom kernel bootloader and recovery ?
[Galaxy S III General] demlasjr:
Re: [Important] Sudden Death Fix - Are you covered?

Samsung Service
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Not sure what you mean by "everyone here", but post 1 does indeed state there is no evidence to suggest the bootloader does anything.

Also it does cover the emmc app too :)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Why? You don't need to do anything with your bootloader
[Galaxy S III General] qavro:
i think he meant "everyone here" = "some of the people here"...
[Galaxy S III General] abelrhd:
So if I have the old bootloader with xxella rom and some recovery with SDS patched, it's enough?

Regards,

Abel.

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[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
yeah , that`s right , he was a little bit over reacted :cool:

but definitely people must read the first post and then asking/replying
[Galaxy S III General] abhibnl:
Thank god i'm not affected(i think so). EMMC check shows my emmc chip to be VTU00M rev 0xf7 but the faulty is 0xf1. So hope it'll never happen to my device :)
[Galaxy S III General] ArbiterGR:
Well yes :P i was actually referring to some of the people here panicking and not reading the OP's post. And yes i overreacted a bit and i apologize for that, but when i read about that "mmc wear" thing and people asking the same things over and over not reading the first post, my brain cells exploded :P
[Galaxy S III General] GerasVille:
Hey there guys,

I've got a few questions about sudden death:

1. How come the people are now blaming the kernel and recovery for sudden death, instead of the bootloader?

2. I'm now on perseus kernel (09/01) and philz recovery (09/01). It will probably fix the sudden death but isn't my phone already damaged? I heard of damaged nand sectors and after too much incorrect nand sectors the sudden death will appear...

Thanks in advance :)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
1. No one blames recovery or kernel. Fault derives from emmc firmware but kernel fixes it. The root cause cannot be addressed because the firmware in question is embedded. So kernel fixes are actually work arounds.

A bootloader fix was a vicous rumour started by who knows?!

2. I don't have enough technical detail on the actual fault to answer conclusively.... but the fix prevents corruption
[Galaxy S III General] GerasVille:
Thanks for the answer, but what is it about the recovery... Why we need Philz Touch Recovery to fix sudden death? Or is it just for save flashing?
[Galaxy S III General] qavro:
Recovery is protecting you just when you enter recovery. The kernel is the one that helps on day-to-day use.
[Galaxy S III General] montage mahal:
If i'm on stock LLA and decide to flash cf auto root. Am i safe? Will it make any changes to the kernel?
[Galaxy S III General] vostikan:
more precisely - VTU00M 0xf1 let out 13.04.2012
[Galaxy S III General] siavash_Skh:
Your phone is 16 GB or 32?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
The fix is in the kernel XXELLA.

Not having this kernel leaves you at Risk.

Android uses a kernel when you are booted into Android.

Recovery also uses a kernel, so not only do you need to replace the kernel in android, but also you need to replace it in recovery otherwise when you're in recovery, you are at risk. Thats why you need to update to a recovery that has a kernel with the fixes applied.
[Galaxy S III General] xanthrax:
root mate ! thanx for doing your best to find the best way to make everyone understand .

some of your posts are linked to my q&a thread !
[Galaxy S III General] oaa1971:
Rumors are, only VTU00M revision: 0xf1, with internal frimware date:

2012/04/13

are affected. Can anyone confirm?
[Galaxy S III General] vostikan:
the gentlemen, by what firmware it is necessary to be sewed for the fullest (at present) protection - one-file or three-file ELLA(4,5,6)? ? whether the butloader plays any role? I suffer some days, give the answer what to do, please
[Galaxy S III General] dazzie611:
I'm I at risk

Hi , my first post here - a little confused just need to know if my phone is at risk and what I should do ? Any help gratefully received :)

Model GT-i9300

Android ver 4.2.1

Broadband version I9300BVLH1

Kernel Version 3.0.31-CM-g49017aa

Cyanogenmod ver 10.1-20130110-nightly-i9300

Current Recovery ClockworkMod 6.0.2.7

eMMC Chip VTU00M

FwRev 0xf1