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[Nexus 4 General] wardy01:
I'm hoping there will be a phone with zero lag and a indestructible screen (this is a must because I pull my phone out my pocket and it has scratches and a crack but it hasn't been dropped or abused) /a battery life of 5 days . I want it to make me a cup of tea. 20 core processor is a must.(because I call ppl .text.browes the net and use a few apps and games. But I can shout I have this many cores because I need them.

Lol.

People expect too much from a phone nowadays...

I'll be replacing my nexus 4 this year . but only for the Samsung s4.

Sorry I forgot it was just a PHONE..............
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
Man I've seen a bunch of sweet, new, crazy spec'd phones at CES already this year.....then I remembered they're not running the latest version of Android....yea these NEW devices are running on old sh!t that I've had already...Then I remembered that their manufacturer overlay looks like complete ugly spray sh!t..Yea Touchwiz and Sense make me want to vomit....Then I remembered I own a flawless Nexus 4, that runs raw Android the way it was intended.....Then I remembered I bought the phone unlocked so if I'm not happy with my service I can say "fuk you" and go elsewhere.......Then I remembered these other phones lock you into a ****ty carrier paying twice as much as I currently do on the same network........Me and my Nexus 4 laugh at these "other" phones and the people that buy them and their slave contracts.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
My nexus 4 doesn't laugh??

Time for yet another RMA.

You will need those regular updates to not even fix the camera and battery issues. Id be lucky if my LG nexus 4 still even powers on in 2 years. Lol. Power button is already sticky.

And slaves to contracts???

Some people might be but for $80/month I get a business account with unlimited calls, unlimited data, unlimited texts and mms plus a free top of the tier phone once a year. Not bad value.
[Nexus 4 General] Androyed:
Maybe your Nexus 4 doesn't laugh. But I did.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
Aww sucks to be you bro. No battery or camera issues here. Good luck on your next RMA bud! I guess if your company gives you a throw away phone and a sh!t plan every year you've got a real winner! Especially if it comes with dated software!
[Nexus 4 General] Androyed:
Maybe the Galaxy Note II could destroy the Nexus 4 if you drop one on it from the right height.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
If you come out with a new phone and call it a flagship it should have current specs but since, real world, all of these phones will pretty much run everything more or less the same, what are you really paying for?

I'm happy the nexus 4 has top flight specs. Its probably the most advanced nexus processor wise. That and the 2gb of ram should mean a very nice android experience for the next 1.5 years. That really is the only reason I'm happy about the high end processor. As some others mentioned, who really cares if a 20% more powerful phone comes out when it has outdated software? Would you pay 2x the price for a phone that wont be any smoother than this one just to say that you got a 30k score on antutu or something? What games wont this play... Or better yet, what does it need to run given that all but a handful of phones wont let you game for more than about 2.5 hours before the battery dies?

When the nexus 4 came out, it had the best specs out there. That Sony has mostly similar specs, will not be supported like this phone and will probably be released in the summer given how slow they are at getting out their devices. The S4 and others probably wont be here until July/August as well.

Sent from my 5th and final Nexus 4

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All I'm saying is that with android at this point the user experience is what matters. The only thing that would get me to buy something new at this point is another nexus that promised tablet like battery life without having a monster sized screen. All of these new processors are surely faster but Android is lacking on battery life, not processing.

Sent from my 5th and final Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
X2

Had my PS3 since 2008, been rock solid, never broke and been worth every penny I spent on it.

Now everything else from Sony sucks but I do like my PS3.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Go buy another "better" phone. Grass is always greener on the other side.

And don't come back and whine about slow updates and 3rd party skins.

O and don't come back and whine about contracts, too.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yeah the problem is any phone you buy is going to be 1up'd in a month or 2, ARM based SoC's are like where PC CPU's were in the 90's. That being said these phones will be EOL status before you ever notice a real world difference over the nexus 4 anyway so I don't really care. If I get a contract phone that is better on paper than the nexus 4, then it'll ancient tech before my contract is up anyway.

Nexus phones are intended to be pure developer devices with adequate hardware for the time they are released, they aren't trying to break any benchmark records. But you get a clean experience with no skins, bloatware, and faster updates than anything else out there. That means much more than benchmark scores imo.

I just can't see how anything they have to offer could be better anyway at this point!
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Skinned phones as you guys call them, posses significantly better camera software which is a plus. No reason for the n4 to have awful capture quality. But I digress, it's still hard to bear the lack of optimization for android.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I agree I did enjoy the Sense camera software from my vivid, but you can get apps from the play store such as camera zoom fx if you're not satisfied with the aosp one. But honestly I'm loving the new software, yeah image quality isn't as nice as it could be but it's good enough
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Yeah. Sux to be me. Haha.

I own the company bro. And companies can actually afford contracts. Unlike begging students.

I have business accounts, X 7 for 6 staff phones too. So i get 7 new FREE phones a year. And....

All the contracts become no charge at tax time. Free phones. Free usage. Poor me.

And ALL nexus 4 cameras suck sorry. Its not your fault though. Some people just don't notice detail at all in life. I'm guessing you're one of them.

And if the Iphone 5, galaxy s3, Motorola razr maxx hd and one x are throw away phones then I guess so.

And dated software. Guess you didn't see it comes out with 4.1 going straight to 4.2. That will suffice until Q3 when I'm due for another "updated whole phone". Motorola X phone maybe.

Nexus 4 is a great phone for the price. Its just not the greatest phone

Keep cheerleading though.

And jayrod. 5 nexus 4's mate.

Gotta love that quality control at LG don't ya. Lol.
[Nexus 4 General] mugabuga:
Tegra 4 is most likely going to be a pile of ****, just like the Tegra 3 before it, and the Tegra 2 before that, and the Tegra 1 before that.
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
I agree. The only thing Tegra does is maximize the **** out of the GPU performance. That's purely their focus(no surprise really) when it comes to processors but the CPU performance is just average at best.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yes agreed

I'm a nexus 7 owner and I can't tell you how disappointed I am with tegra. Just seems funny how laggy it is with 4.2 vs my Nexus 4. And gaming is a joke on it, they pull out this optimization crap, but it's just to cover up the fact that tegra isn't that great.
[Nexus 4 General] Overdose1986:
I had a Xperia Arc S (singlecore) and a Galaxy S2(dualcore), and I have to say that Sony knows what they do, the Xperia Arc S beats the Galaxy S2 in everything, better camera, faster and smoother

Now sony announced the Xperia Z with quad krait s4 pro, Im sure it will be smoother and faster than any samsung or htc phone in the market...
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
And unfortunately it too will have issues like most consumer products generally do.

Still.... Can't wait to try it :)
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
And they probably won't release it until it's irrelevant just like the Xperia ion. I was all about the ion when they announced it, but by the time they released it, it was old news, nobody cared about it anymore including me.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Yeah.

Just like alot of the people waiting for their nexus 4 orders to finally arrive..maybe.
[Nexus 4 General] -A-P-M-:
I like Xperia Z a lot and very important is that Sony support devs with needed drivers and sources, so they can build stable roms in short time. For example, Codeworkx managed to make good CM10 build for Xperia T in about 2 weeks. If this will continue (or even be improved), then Xperia Z will probably run new Android version (AOSP) in very short time. I expect that SGS4 will have better hardware (maybe Exynos5 Octa), but without needed sources, it probably wont run new Android version in short time and wont be very polished. Example is Xperia T, which is as smooth as SGS3, despite its only dual core. I like a look of Xperia Z, hardware is very good and if it gets CM support, then most likely I will get it.
[Nexus 4 General] :
Based on Sony recently I would expect CM within weeks of release for Xperia Z, their dev support has been great.

Whether at CES or MWC doesn't matter what's released there won't be a major difference in real world performance unless you get laid cause of your benchmarks
[Nexus 4 General] danyal241:
When you talk about destroy I think there are current phones better hardware wise then n4. Even s3 has a lot of features over n4. Try comparison with note 2. Updates wise nothing can beat the nexus line but at times some features like multiwindow support are not present in vanilla android. So it depends on personal liking I guess. As far as phones go I am very happy with my amaze. For everything else I have a tablet and laptop ;)
[Nexus 4 General] MiG123:
apparently the next nexus google's working with moto on is gonna be released alongside KLP at google i/o sometime in may/june.

that'll make for a pretty short lifespan for our 4s imo...
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
Nothing can destroy a nexus device. They are immortal.
[Nexus 4 General] judgekane:
How's about the rumor that LG might be working on a 2Ghz quad core upgrade for the N4?

That's why they've been slow in the manufacture of the N4? Pie in the sky?

http://androidandme.com/2013/01/sma...4-production-make-room-for-newer-nexus-phone/
[Nexus 4 General] cvfl:
So, galaxys posts that picture, and everyone just keeps on with the tech talk?!?!?!

Seriously though, it either smelled like the dumpster outside the Starkist factory, or a 8' pile of cotton candy covered in glitter. :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
features are not hardware. Everything you just mentioned was software. The S3 does not have better hardware and the note II is awesome with the exynos but the S4 Pro is much better IMO.
[Nexus 4 General] galaxys:
LOL! AEE convention is January 16-19 at the Hard Rock hotel... Be careful what you order from room service! :D
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
N4's camera is PLENTIFUL good. Have you ever thought about buying an actual camera if you require that much of image quality?

I had a Sony Xperia S, and frankly I don't see any significant advantage in SXS camera.
[Nexus 4 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
If we are lucky the next nexus will be made by Sony with xperia z specs (if not better by the time the next nexus comes) and for a cheap price off contract, like the Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] resynx:
Of course the specs will be better. The Xperia Z is just now being announced, the next Nexus has until the end of the year.
[Nexus 4 General] -A-P-M-:
Since LG Nexus 4 is mostly out of a stock, maybe Google is looking to offer another Nexus phone alongside Nexus 4. I don't think that Nexus 4 will get a successor before Q3 or Q4, but maybe another phone (for example Nexus 5) would be offered, like there are two tablets - Nexus 7 and Nexus 10.
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
No. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] ztmike:
Only thing I've seen out of CES 2013 that beats the N4 in specs are the new 1080P screens. Their all still using 2GB RAM Snapdragon S4 Pros and Andreno 320 GPU..and the Nexus 4 still seems to beat them in other features.

1080P on such a small screen is really not that much noticeable over say a 4.7 in. 320PPI 720P screen, unless you have a microscope.
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
The tegra 4 will murder it simply because its a15. I had the nexus 10 for a few weeks and that thing was fast as hell and got 500ms sunspider benchmarks and and close to 3000 geekbench. The only reason I returned it was because I already had a nexus 7 and preferred the size. The a15 chips absolutely murder krait and a9 in IPC. That makes a big difference as that makes them perform much better in single and dual threaded tasks. The Samsung exynos 5250 pushing a lower resolution screen would scream and consume far less power. The 2560x1600 overwhelmed the chip as it would any other chip. I'd like to see a non pentile 720p 4.65 superamoled screen in a refreshed galaxy nexus with the exynos dual. I am hoping that's what comes with the s4 and not a pentile 1080p screen that just wastes GPU cycles and CPU cycles. The Samsung chip is much more open than krait as well. Qualcomm doesn't open source much at all. The exynos 5250 is fully supported in aosp.
[Nexus 4 General] ztmike:
The new CPU chips is a mute point at this moment in time as it will be MONTHS before their widespread enough to purchase one for your cell phone provider.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Herd people talking the same when Tegra 3 released they say it'll murder all quad-cores.

Herd people talking the same when Tegra 2 released they say it'll murder all dual-cores.
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Krait is sorta close in terms of raw power, krait pushes 3.3DMips/MHz and A15 pushes 3.5 allegedly. You could theoretically overclock the krait to compensate for the lack of computational power. However another advantage of Qualcomm in general is asynchronous frequencies, if you use a diff Soc you have to share clocks(if I'm not mistaken) and this can help battery. Next, Qualcomm normally excels in FP performance so the s4 should be comparable or better than A15s.
[Nexus 4 General] mbucks911:
i highly doubt theyll release it at their i/o, maybe a 32 gb nexus 4 or the successor to the n7, but i would expect theyll release the x phone around the same time that they released the n4 next year

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if google does release the x phone or an upgrade/successor to the n4 at mwc or their i/o, they will pretty much be spitting on the faces of all those who did manage to get a n4 by releasing a new phone just outside of the return window for people with nexus 4s after the owners worked hard to even get their hands on one. if they do maybe google will have some kind of gift for those that did buy a n4 so they dont alienate their customers, just like their blunder with the nexus Q
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
And not only that. While the A15 may potentially be quicker than Krait, we are yet to see the one with better performance per watt ratio. Which is crucial, since nowadays it is the main performance limiting factor.

That glorified Exynos 5250 seems to consume even more energy per work unit than said Krait or even utterly inefficient Tegra3. So, can we put it in to the phone? No, the phone would simply melt away. And throttled to the acceptable levels it would be slower than current kraits. So it is kind of pointless exercise.
[Nexus 4 General] ActionMax09:
Yes. It came out a while back. It's called the Samsung Galaxy S3 and it has external storage.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
You speak of Google and LG like they are family friends.

They don't give a f#%k about us. They want to make money full stop. If they want to release a nexus 4.5 tomorrow that has improvements they will.

I hope they do.

Sold the n4 for an $85 profit while its crack and defect free to a kid at Jaycar.
[Nexus 4 General] mbucks911:
yes and manufacturers make money by keeping loyal customers and making a good image for themselves. if manufacturers released a new better phone every two or three months, or even six months, people wouldnt want to buy because they knew an upgrade was about to be released, and most people cant afford to upgrade that often and want to feel they still have the best and most current device, at least for a year. if google released an upgrade to the nexus this soon after the n4 was released, people would criticize them for alienating customers that bought the already outdated nexus 4, and im sure they would lose business from people fearing that if they buy this newer phone, google will release an even newer one in just a few months. theres a reason apple, and even samsung with they galaxy s line, updates phones on a reasonable 1 year cycle. also, you would love for a new nexus to come out tomorrow because you were able to sell your nexus 4 and are now probably waiting for your next purchase. now imagine you didnt sell your nexus 4, you cant return it, and google just announced a new nexus, pretty much cutting the price your could have sold your nexus for in half. wouldn't you be mad, and mad at google? thats the boat most of the owners of the n4 would be in, and no company wants a bunch of angry customers writing bad reviews and convincing their buddies to "never buy from this company" and so on. this is especially true nowadays when consumer reviews are so accessible and have so much power in what people do or don't buy. so google will probably not release an updated nexus anytime soon, and if they do, google is known for giving gifts to alleviate customers anger, just like they did for the Nexus Q
[Nexus 4 General] stonegroover:
I don't know about destroying the N4 but I also have a RAZRi, which I pre-ordered last year and when it arrived I couldn't believe how good it was, for the spec and price etc and it's still a pleasure to use, even after having taken delivery of my N4 and used it for a few days. The N4 is a little underwhelming- I use my phone as a phone and the reception is nowhere near as good as the Motorola plus the video recording is terrible- good picture but terrible audio, suffers the same problem that all of the HTCs and iPhones I ever owned suffer from which is that they can't cope with high amplitude sound, pubs, gigs and concerts etc. The RAZRi is crystal clear however, the Nokia Lumias are good for this too, with HAAC 'Rich recording' mics (google it). If it wasn't for the recent announcement that images of Ubuntu for Phones (Nexus first) will be available at the end of February my N4 would probably be on eBay right now- it is currently sitting in it's box doing nothing. I never even took the original screen protector off, it's still boxfresh.

Reading between the lines from various articles and sources I've read the last few weeks, the fact that Google have signed a 2 year agreement with Intel (which means more Intel Motorolas probably) and that Intel are only just getting warmed up- they have dual and quad core chips coming this year and next apparently....if the battery life on my RAZRi is anything to go by (2-3 days between charges) then I would have to say that I suspect some kind of Intel chipped Motorola X-phone will blow not just the N4, but other 'superphones' away....which is a shame because I have a real soft spot for ARM, which can of course be traced back through the RISC Archimedes to the BBC Micro range of computers- the first ones I ever used and learned the ropes on- lost too many hours playing Elite on those when I should have been working :)

Since my first phone in 1996 and the many, many since then, I've come to the conclusion that the original 'daddies' of the phone world, Motorola and Nokia still make the best phones, use the best components, still own a lot of patents which they haven't shared which becomes more obvious when you really start to use these devices as they were designed to be used, and not just from an armchair playing angry birds or browsing through a wifi connection. Read the reviews of phones on Amazon, written by the owners, even supposed 'superphones' like the SGS3 get slagged off for cr*p reception and poor call quality. Quad core Krait won't do you much good if it's in a phone that can't get reception and therefore no data connection and when it finally does the battery dies..... If only Nokia made Android phones, that really would be something....
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Alright. Good bye.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Our paths will cross again friend.

Might see ya in the experia z forum. If not the moto X.

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I agree with your theory but in reality, nexus is produced first for devs to enhance apps and give Google feedback for software. Second to make that software stable for mainstream devices with carriers.

General customers are a distant third. They really don't care about you personally.

If people are having build and quality issues here, you can bet devs are too.

So don't discount an upgrade.

Companies do it all the time and don't tell the consumer for your reasons stated. But this delay for people buying on playstore is suspect.

Or maybe its the fact that some ppl have to RMA 5-6 times. This hurts business just as much as a sly upgrade don't you think?
[Nexus 4 General] mbucks911:
ya i do somewhat agree with you about the aim of the device, but i still think it should be treated as the flagship phone of android, and i also think google is shifting the focus of the nexus line closer to being more of a consumer device, and they literally said that their X phone is meant to compete with the samsung and apple. i totally think a change to the build and quality of the device to fix the issues is reasonable, as long as its just to fix issues and not to upgrade the specs to new design or a better processor or anything along those lines. I personally have had to RMA 3 times, and i would imagine its just as annoying for devs as it for me, and im sure google and lg are losing money over it. but i still think a full on new phone released so soon after the n4 like the x phone or even another lg made nexus 5 or whatever would look bad on google and android, especially with the popularity of the nexus devices finally taking off with the n4, n7, and n10, all sought after devices.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
Hey I only RMA 4 times ;)

Sent from my 5th and final Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] danyal241:
Well you are right.has for hardware many phones have 12 mpx camera or expandble memory ... These are just example.
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
Not that many phones have a 12 mp camera. 8 mp is still the standard on a lot of high end smartphones and more mp doesn't necessarily mean better picture quality. I'm not bothered by no expandable memory. If I was I wouldn't have bought the phone. Also if this phone had an SD card slot it would have had a lousy flap covering it(look at the optimus g) since it doesn't have a removable back. I know these are just examples but something such as lack of expandable storage isn't enough to make this phone inferior to something else high end out there. Many devices are going with purely built in storage(One X, DNA) and I honestly would rather have it like that.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Yes. But those phones generally have 32gig variants. Double what the best nexus 4 has and then some. Big difference. Isn't that what a lot of people now want from the nexus 4

And sense camera software is awesome.
[Nexus 4 General] danyal241:
Look u like n4 it fits to ir needs. There are better phone out there right now hardware Nd software features wise. This post was asking if there is better phone I am just saying its personal pref some might not like the vanilla android ... I am happy with a decent phone and a good tablet. For games I still like a powerful pc/laptop over tabs and phones, so to say n4 is the best ... That's just your opnion