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[Nexus 10 General] Maconi:
Something worth considering is that even though the N10's contrast/gamma/gamut/etc. are off that could be fixed by XDA soon through some kernel magic (all of that is controlled by the kernel unless I'm mistaken, so long as the screen can handle the adjustments).

Really the only factors should be if you want/need the S-Pen and how much effort you want to put into getting a good Nexus 10 (I had to go through 7 Nexus 10s to find one with minimal backlight bleeding/no dead pixels/etc.).
[Nexus 10 General] ReggieTee:
The fact that you went through 7 N10s to get minimal backlight bleed and no dead pixels is enough to make one go with the 10.1. That's a hell of a headache.
[Nexus 10 General] snip3r77:
Nexus 10 for me
[Nexus 10 General] LxMxFxD:
I just want to chime in briefly to say that I own a note 1 phone and the nexus 10. I occasionally use the s pen on my note, maybe 1% of the time. 1280x800 resolution and superamoled looks fantastic on my gnote at 5.3 inches. On 10.1 its bordering atrocious.

I think once the nexus screen is seen in person you *WILL NOT* go back. I use my nexus 10 almost exclusively for annotating p d F's with a $10 capacitive pen. The palm rejection would be a nice feature to have but on my gnote phone it messes up a lot anyway. I highlight with no issues and since I edit p d F's, I really only write in the margins on the edge of the screen anyway.

As for multiview the idea is great. But lets face it, multitasking on a 10" screen? Cmon. I'm not saying its not a great feature to have but its usefulness is widely overblown IMHO. The nexus is so fast I can switch applications in less than one second.

In the end sure it all comes down to preferences. For me, the screen on the 10.1 is just terrible by comparison. Its extremely noticeable. If the 10.1 were 1920x1200 I think I would have purchased the note. But 1280x800 is the resolution of my 2011 galaxy note 5.3" phone. Unacceptable.

Neither tablet is perfect. My nexus crashes a lot with chrome, and some apps just do not work right. But for me its the best tablet available. I really love the ipad 4 experience but apple is not for me.
[Nexus 10 General] j0n2:
I hadn't considered the Note 10.1 because of all the negative reviews and was set on a Nexus 10.

However, week after week of no stock in the UK of the Nexus 10, and then the realisation that 16GB isn't a lot if you cannot expand it and £390 is a lot for the 32GB, I looked more into user reviews of the Note 10.1 and decided I'd go for it (I must say it was also cheaper than the Nexus 10 16GB by £60 with cashback at the time).

The real reasons I bought were:

1. With all the stacked cashbacks, it came to about £80 less than the Nexus 10, and £160 less than the RRP/List price

2. It was in stock

3. On paper, the hardware specs are better then a lot of competition (not the Nexus 10)

I'd recommend ignoring a lot of the technology site reviews. Yes the resolution isn't as high, and yes it's noticeable, but it's not exactly bad. In terms of PPI figures, I think many laptops are worse, as there are a lot of 15.6" laptops with 1366*768 resolutions.

Most of those reviews tell you about how sluggish it is too, I've been using it for a week and half daily, and can't recall a single time it's been sluggish, not responded, or crashed/locked up.

Many of the reviews also complain about TouchWiz. I'd never heard of it before, but my experience when using the tablet feels good, it feels like a tablet not a big phone, and I have not experienced any compatibility issues.

Personally I am not a designer or artist, and I have atrocious handwriting, and I was inclined to believe the reviews, the S-Pen would stay in its slot. If I had used the tablet for 20 minutes to write a review, I would have agreed. However, I find myself using the S-Pen a lot, either as a means to just control instead of fingers, but also to just take a quick note, and despite my handwriting, I find myself using handwriting to text a lot with excellent accuracy.

I have also played games and watched streaming media, and they seem perfect to me. I use it a lot to just browse the web and I have read books too.

There are negatives I have experienced:

1. The S-Pen experiences some odd areas of the screen where it jumps - straight lines are impossible. This isn't the normal edge of screen issues you get with Wacom, but in the middle too. I assume there is interference with whatever is under the screen in that area. I can live with this as I don't draw.

2. There is some minor light bleed, it's not totally none existent.

3. It is very expensive if there are no offers.

4. Sometimes during handwriting recognition, very rarely but it happens, the pen stops writing for a word.

5. It's Samsung - the tablet its self seems fine, but PC software, like Kies, tends to be very buggy / hit and miss if it connects etc. I've had this with every Samsung product I've owned that I can connect to a PC.

6. Proprietary connection. Don't lose the charger!
[Nexus 10 General] ja3hawk:
I chose the n10 because the high end specs. I do think the n10 would be awesome with a digitizer and 4g. Thats my dream tablet but im not sure it exists.
[Nexus 10 General] edirector:
Yeah, but can you do/create this with N10? Hard to compare a production tool to a consumption device. No frequent updates will replace the ability for a device having utilitarian purpose. Note 10 comes pretty close to replacing a laptop for quick designing & illustration. If you just want to consume then N10 is the device for you.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Using a stylus, any of them including Jot, on a capacitive display is a painful experience. And the N10's capacitive display is no more or less sensitive to touch than any capacitive display that came before it. So it's cool you've made it work for you but to even remotely say it's an alternative for someone looking for true inking is a bit of a stretch. The N10's a consumption device. The Note's a creation device. And to choose one or the other based on needing/wanting consumption vs. creation is going to involve compromise.

And on the subject of updates. 4.2.X so far hasn't been a major update over 4.1.X and in fact people have been a little disappointed that it wasn't a bigger step in functionality or design. Let's assume Google pushes out three more 4.2.X updates over the next six months for the N10 and Samsung skips 4.2 for the Note entirely. What do those that feel updates are a big advantage think is going to happen functionality wise in those six months? 2.X>3.X>4.X were huge because Android was so un-evolved. Now that it's mature I personally don't see 4.X>5.X>6.X being nearly as life altering simply because once a UI matures you don't randomly change it because it drives users nuts from a usability perspective. That's why iOS updates are always evolutionary vs. revolutionary and why I’m guessing Google’s trying to consolidate UI’s regardless of display size. In the meantime JB on the Note provides dozens of pretty cool non-stock features that people can use today. And Google’s going to start keeping all their revenue-generating apps current regardless of OS version just like they’ve done with the recent Google Now update. And at the rate h/w is advancing we’ll all probably have N10 II’s and Note 10.1 II’s in less than twelve months anyway. So for people that intend to keep a device for two years that’s definitely a reason to go Nexus. For people that trade their h/w up the impact of being “stuck” on a OEM OS probably isn’t that big a deal; assuming it works the way they want it to.
[Nexus 10 General] FlamingGoat:
The Note is, for me, far and away the superior machine. And I say that as someone who reads technical pdfs all day, every day. The display is good enough for that as well as being great for videos and photographs (I'm also a pretty serious amateur photographer).

However the real kickers are when it comes to the sd card situation, I absolutely require the max amount of storage for those pdfs and photos and the nexus just doesn't give that. There is next to no wifi about in my country, particularly where I am, so the cloud is not an option. Nor, for me, will it ever be for other principles.

But the real reason I got the Note is the multiwindow functionality. Being able to read a pdf and take notes from it, or a browser, etc, at the same time is just fantastic. It means that my tablet is more than just a consumption device and is genuinely capable of replacing my laptop a lot of the time.

I'm no artist, but the stylus is just extra added cream, I now use it all the time and can scarcely imagine being without it.

If the next edition has a higher res screen and a usb port it will be the perfect device for me, but right now there's nothing that even comes close for my needs.
[Nexus 10 General] bjbinc:
My sister got the n10.1 for christmas and I played around with it for a few hours...LOVED IT! I went straight to the internet and started reading reviews to make sure there wasnt a better option. I found the nexus10 and thought because of the screen resolution and newer OS...I should go that route. I went and picked one up and kept it for about 10 minutes before returning it for the note. The resolution is nowhere near enough to make up for the light bleed and poor contrast, not to mention you cant expand the storage on the nexus. I'm a light bleed fanatic and there is ZERO light bleed on my note even at the brightest setting and the blacks are beautifully black...the contrast is much better than the nexus. I wouldnt trade my note running CM 10.1 for anything out there....PERIOD. I dont care about any specs or reviews...I held both and made my own choice. Oh and dont think the nexus will run circles around the note...the note is a beast and has terrific battery life too.
[Nexus 10 General] asdfuogh:
All right, I also wanted to point out that the Note 10.1 is a production device.. so let's look at some of the possible results.

http://imgur.com/a/6gRyH

So, the notes are made on LectureNotes, and the drawing is from LectureNotes then modified a bit with Photoshop on the Note. I'm pretty sure my note taking has gotten better as LectureNotes has been updated, but I don't want to reveal too much of my stuff so I usually keep to this set that I made like a month or two ago.
[Nexus 10 General] mrbkkt1:
I'm in the same boat. My daughter has taken over my tab 2 7.0 and I'm debating between a n7, a note 10.1 and nexus 10.

In my research, I've narrowed down tablets to 2 categories. Consumption and production.

The n7 is a consumption tablet with maximum portability.

The n10 probably is the highest function consumption tablet.

The Asus transformers, and galaxy note 10.1 are high production tablets.

If all you want to do is surf, or browse, then the note 10.1 is probably not for you. If you need to make documents, take notes, deal with spreadsheets, then the the nexus 10 is poetically not for you.
[Nexus 10 General] majic723:
The 10.1 is my choice. Couldn't be any happier.
[Nexus 10 General] Lim Wee Huat:
Rasbeanjelly + Trinity on the Nexus 10.. :)
[Nexus 10 General] momolala:
Support Nuxus 10

I suggest u bought the Nexus 10 as it is the newest tablet from Google. With the world’s highest resolution tablet display, all new multi-user support, immersive HD content and the best Google apps.
[Nexus 10 General] mrbkkt1:
Another option in considering is the Asus tf300 and the keyboard dock......
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's another potential choice for consumption users. The specs are great.

1920x1200 (FHD) display

S4 Pro Quad 1.5GHz CPU

Adreno 320 GPU

2GB of RAM

32GB of storage

6,000mAh battery (could be an issue)

MicroSD slot

NFC

8.1MP Exmor R camera

6.9mm thin

495g

Water and dust proof

It's been announced for release in Japan with LTE and we'll see what Sony's global plans for it are at MWC next month. I'm not a consumption user so I'm sticking with the Note.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/20/sony-xperia-tablet-z/
[Nexus 10 General] merge5:
I have been using the Note 10.1 for about 2 months now and really like it. The S-pen is quite useful and i bought this tablet for using the pen to draw chemical structures that are near impossible with the finger. The performance is really impressive and the lower screen resolution is not a problem for me. It is noticeable but I would certainly not rate it as a deal breaker. The uSD slot is a plus as well.

My wife fell in love with it for Draw Something and reading ebooks. She made the transition from iOS to Android extremely easy for a not so technical person. This caused me to buy a Nexus 10 and I have been using it for a whole 5 Hrs now. It is extremely impressive. The higher resolution is nice but the colors don't appear to be as sharp. That and the lack of S pen are the only draw backs so far. This thing is super fast! No uSD but ample internal storage with 32 GB.

My suggestion would be to compare displays side-by-side. Sam's Club is the only place that I found that had both. Then really consider your use case for the S-pen to determine if it is a must have feature. Good luck with the decision. Either choice will not be a disappointment.

Cheers!
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
I'm impressed with these results. Glad to see an appreciable number of individuals preferring functionality/features over raw performance.

Besides resolution, specs on Android devices are pretty superfluous. All the graphically-intensive computation-hungry apps (read: games) are for iOS, not for Android. Android has too much fragmentation, pushing app developers to cater to a low common denominator. S4 Pro and Qualcomm 600/800 and Exynos 5 won't mean much for a while, and by then we'll have something better anyways.

I do think the resolution of the Note 10.1 is a bit disappointing but one of my co-workers has it and likes it a lot for the feature set.
[Nexus 10 General] TheJerf01:
I have also been looking into the Nexus 10. Right now there just seem to be so many new option popping up everyday its hard to decide.

I love the Nexus 7 I had one for about a month before my g/f decided to spill tea on it, now I am thinking the larger 10 might be a better buy.
[Nexus 10 General] lawman21c:
Nexus 10. High resolution provides eye candy. I don't like amoled.
[Nexus 10 General] GETCASHMONEY:
I'm glad eye candy is the most important thing for you. For anyone getting work done it doesn't matter at all.
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
But, you've never seen work look so good until you've tried it on a 2560x1600 screen :p

I would personally opt for the Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Tab 2 recently, and was not too impressed with Touchwiz, nor the process to get another ROM. Then again, this is just me. I mainly went for a N10 for the specs.
[Nexus 10 General] GETCASHMONEY:
Haha I had a nexus 10 before but I sold it for the note 10.1 after I tried it out and was amazed. The nexus 10 is great for entertainment but I enjoy tbe the note 10.1 far more overall.
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
I have the Nexus 10, and absolutely love it. Best portable device I've ever owned. I recently tinkered with the Note 10.1 at Costco, just to get a feel for it. I do not like Touchwiz, at all. I feel like it's very clumsy compared to AOSP. All in all I used the 10.1 for about 30 minutes, used the s-pen and different features, but came away unimpressed. In my opinion, the Nexus 10 is far superior, and not just because the screen is 1000% better on the Nexus 10.

As far as UI goes, I have made the mistake of buying an HTC phone twice. Most recently I bought the Rezound, and it took an eternity for an AOSP rom to become available for it. Never again. There is not one manufacturer UI, that is better than AOSP. I got stuck with Sense for about 8-9 months before we got working CM9 on it. CM10 and 10.1 are still problematic. It was a pain to unlock and get s-off on it. Whenever possible, I will buy Nexus solely for the ease of root, custom ROMs, and full control of my device.

If you value ease of customization, and unlocking the device to other ROMs, there is no substitute for a Nexus device.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
How do you use your tablet?
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
Your argument makes no sense. Effectively you're saying that a person may as well get the Note, as you can play any app on it anyway and the better spec of the N10 isn't necessary.

Thing is, by that same logic why WOULDN'T you get the N10? The Note is weak hardware wise, costs about the same (in the UK at least) and you can do everything you can do on it on the N10 too... just quicker and at a better resolution?

"but what about multiview, and the s-pen?" Gimics. Pure and simple. This as opposed to the future upgradability of the N10, which is anything but. Very few people are buying a £300 device to last only a few months. If you want to be running Android 5 the day it is released, followed by 5.1, 5.2, 6.0 - or whatever else comes along... there is only one choice.
[Nexus 10 General] kieu96:
I'm satisfied with nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
I hate it when people start off with "you're an idiot" or "that doesn't make any sense" because (beyond being rude and poisonous etiquette) such remarks tend to reflect that the respondent doesn't really understand the original post or blinded by bias (or both).

It's called "good enough." It's somewhat of an issue with Android devices since the software still needs to catch up with the hardware. There's not a game or program out at this point in time that can run well on the Nexus 10 but not the Note 10.1 for hardware specifications, and this will probably be the case until well into the life of the next Nexus tablet.

And as for bias, the pen may certainly not be useful to you. Fortunately you're not representative of the people that are considering between the Nexus 10 and Note 10.1.
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
I use my Nexus for everything I used my laptop for. Word processing, web browsing, light gaming, note taking, etc. I didn't expect my tablet to be a laptop replacement, but I find myself using my laptop less and less. I find that I'm able to do work on my Nexus 10 with relative ease. I'm not downing the Note 10.1. I'm sure it's great for those who use it, but for me, there is no comparison whether it be with content consumption, or productivity, I would choose the Nexus 10 every time.
[Nexus 10 General] Blown 89:
Reliability. I'm not sure if it's Touchwiz or Samsung's drivers but their tablets are horribly buggy and lag to the point of not being able to use them some times. Waiting for the keyboard to catch up grew tiresome and the constant app/widget crashes on Touchwiz drove me mad. Switching to pure Google devices was the best thing I ever did. I wish I had things like multi-view but reliability and usability are better trade-offs IMO.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
I'm not saying you're an idiot I'm saying your argument doesn't make sense, which is a statement of fact. I'm not sure you can say I don't understand your argument as I summed it up in my last post. You can accuse me of bias, and to be fair I probably am. I have a N10 and love it. Considering you're (presumably) in the same position with your Note 10.1 though, this seems a somewhat irrelevant.

I'll give you one right now: andftp. The app is an SFTP client. Because SSH uses very computationally intensive encryption, it is extremely CPU intensive. Consequently transfer rates are triple on my N10 what they were on my S3. I'll give you another in case you call that a one-off: Watching HD flash streams. Because Flash isn't hardware accelerated, you need a lot of CPU power for high bitrate/resolution streams. I can play the HD links on BBC iPlayer's desktop site fine on my N10, I tried the same on my friends Note 2 and it was about 7fps and stopped to buffer every 30 seconds.

I maintain that your argument is nonsensical. You acknowledge yourself that the software (that both tablets share) needs to "catch-up", so surely the tablet the next version of the software is being written for is the one to buy? The day Android 5 comes out it will be available for the N10. You'll be lucky if the Note 10.1 has it by this time next year. You are effectively saying "The software needs to get better, so buy the tablet where it won't".

Fundamentally, it comes down to this: For around the same price, you can either A) Buy a tablet which is completely capable (if a little bit old-hat) today, comes with a nice pen feature, but will be outdated in both hardware and software terms within 6 months. OR B) Buy a tablet that is state-of-the-art today, will still be in 6 months, and will be bang up-to-date software wise even come 2015.

Errr.... How am I not be representative of people making that choice? The Note10.1 was available when I ordered my N10?!? :confused:
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
And I maintain that your counter is a strawman argument.

First of all, when I mean "software" I mean the applications, not the operating system -- that's probably a key misunderstanding you have of my point. Android made a HUGE jump with Ice Cream Sandwich/Jelly Bean since Gingerbread, and has been iterating ever since. The Galaxy Nexus release was momentous thanks to 4.0. The Nexus 4 reception, from an OS standpoint, was lukewarm at best. This doesn't even take into account the paltry penetration of 4.1 (let alone 4.2).

I'm not sure what's wrong with your friend's Note 2 but I haven't had to deal with laggy flash streams since my Galaxy Nexus. Not that Flash is really relevant -- not sure how you can advocate being cutting-edge and mention flash in the same arguments. If anything your andFTP example, if true, is meaningful since it demonstrates some of the real-world advantages the Nexus 10 hardware can get you. If the individual considering both the Nexus 10 and Note 10.1 is a power user who uses andFTP pretty frequently, then obviously the Nexus 10 would win that point of comparison.

I'm saying that if the Note 10.1 isn't even in the running for you because you consider the S-Pen feature to be a useless gimmick, that's not particularly helpful to the people who are considering both devices and potentially taking the S-Pen into consideration. I don't think you've given the Note 10.1 a fair trial to be able to lambast it. You seem to be suggesting that there is no reason anyone should get the Note 10.1 over the Nexus 10 and I disagree completely -- but that does not mean I'm saying the converse.

At the risk of further misinterpretation, let me condense and simplify my argument for you:

Sometimes performance isn't everything.
[Nexus 10 General] AngDR01D:
I agree. Besides, I am pretty sure that the multi view, in the near futurecould be ported to the nexus 10. I love the speed of my nexus 10 beats all other tablets.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
I'm also going ahead and pointing this out as erroneous. The numbers completely disagree with you. The low market penetration for 4.1+ devices and the comically low sales of Nexus devices relative to fire-and-forget products such as those from Samsung, Motorola and HTC indicate that many people are indeed buying products that won't have long-term software support. The Kindle Fire has almost 4x the market share as the Nexus tablets do which is pretty depressing once you think about it. Even the Samsung Galaxy tablets have over twice the market share of the Nexus tablets.
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
You are obviously biased against against the Nexus 10. Why are you trying so hard to defend the Note 10.1 on a Nexus 10 forum? I don't make decisions based on the opinions of fanboys. Mine was made after a hands on comparison between the Nexus 10 and Note 10.1. I felt, and still feel that the Nexus provided the better user experience for what I do on it.

For me the Nexus has it all. A great user experience, state of the art specs, easily rootable by design, and software updates before anything else. Why would I want to settle for what would for me be a lesser device?
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
Who is and how so?