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[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
Timey Wimey :rolleyes::D;)

Thanks m8. That clarifys things somewhat.

I understood the John hurt, Eccles Cake :D, and Tennant forgetting part but now can get why Capaldi will remember :):thumbup:

Yeah I almost forgot about the Davidson encounter..

lol. That explains the Eccels cake.. :D:thumbup:

+1 on Eccels. He should have done more then one season.

I can't believe he couldn't even be bothered to turn up for at least a few minutes of the regeneration scene :rolleyes::cool:

Its like when Colin Baker refused to take part in his regeneration into McCoy.

I would have thought for the 50th Anniversary he would have made a little effort. Very disappointed.

I don't even know why they didn't even use a bit of cgi to compensate as hurt is transforming to show eccels and turn to the back of his head?

+1 :thumbup::thumbup:

On an actor taking on a role like this.

Damn first I heard about Mr Guinness doing that :eek:

On another note. What you make of Tom Baker character turning up at the end.

The way they hinted at his character was a future incarnation of the Doctor regenerating into his former self.

He basically can transform back into his past selves should he wishes.

I don't know if this with some help like a potion from the sisters of Karn?
[Off-topic] xaccers:
To be fair on Colin Baker, the BBC did treat him really badly, so I can sympathise with him not wanting to come back for the regeneration scene (McCoy in a curly blond wig did the trick), and he does do a lot for the fans. He and McCoy were both royally screwed over by the Beeb.

McCoy gets frustrated that unless it's for Children in Need or Comic relief the BBC come up with all these excuses as to why they can't get the old Doctors together again.

It would be great if the Doctor eventually regenerates into Baker again, as I've always viewed The Other as Baker, but it could have been a separate timeline created by the Moment device? Or perhaps he's just the curator of the museum and happens to look like Baker's Doctor...
[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
I don't think he is just a lookalike. He knows way too much and too many hints to the contrary.

You could be right about the the moment device creating an alternative timeline.

He is the Doctor that has already found Gallifrey and has decided to retire as Matt Smith wanted to and become curator in his old form well thats what I took from the scene.
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One more thing, the Doctor said he had been planning to save Gallifrey his whole life (even before the time war lol?) And he was about to use the moment when he suddenly remembered something he was planning his whole life? What? Yeah that confused me..

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
When did he say that? I've just watched it with my wife and don't recall it being mentioned.

Matt Smith said he'd been regretting using the Moment for 400 years.
[Off-topic] jugg1es:
Didn't Eccleston get dropped because of his 'adult movie' exploits?

"Don't be so humble - you are not that great."

- Golda Meir (1898-1978)
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Hmm idk I'll rewatch some of it, but I think he said something like that. Everyone else in my family seems to remember that too.

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[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
:what::confused:
[Off-topic] Will_Xda:
I'm not an expert or a dedicated Whovian but could someone adress this if not already done so... If Gallifrey wasn't destroyed does that mean that master wasn't dragged back through with Raselon ?? Or is it all relevant to the Doctors timeline but not anyone else's ?

P.s. sorry for My Spelling (Doc who mode isnt turned on right Now.)

Plus did anyone else really not like the DW "after party" on BBC Three ? (turned it off 5mins into it so it didn't spoil what I'd just watched)

Edit: sorry this already has been answered
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Eons ago Omega (a Time Lord who chose that name after his teacher gave him the lowest mark - Omega - for an essay he wrote on using a black hole to power time travel devices) used a Stellar Manipulator (The Hand of Omega) to turn a nearby star into a black hole to use as a power source for their time travel experiments, during the explosion that occurred he vanished, presumed dead but was actually sent to an anti-matter universe.

Rassilon moved the black hole to Gallifrey where it became the Eye of Harmony.

Before his disappearance, Rassilon had tried to harness the power of a black hole and ended up punching a hole into another universe which released the Great Vampires resulting in the Time Lord - Great Vampire war. Omega created many weapons to defeat them, including the Bow Ships, and of course the Moment.

The Time Lords meddled greatly in other races, and even scooped beings up to make them battle each other like Gladiators.

It was known as the Dark Time. The war with the Great Vampires hit the Time Lords hard, and they shunned violence. At some point they meddle in one last civilisation by giving it advanced technology with disastrous results when they blow themselves up in a series of nuclear wars. Whoops.

The Time Lords then adopt a policy of non-interference, which unfortunately allows other unpleasant races to develop and thrive.

During the Dark Time, a third Time Lord helped Rassilon to develop time travel technology, known as The Other. He is believed to be the future incarnation of The Doctor, but doesn't have to be.

Prior to the Dark Times, Gallifrey was lead by the Pythia, a cult of women who were psychic. Back then Gallifreyans were much more psychic than in the Doctor's time, and many gave up speech in favour of telepathy. The last Pythia lost her ability to see into the future. She cursed Gallifreyans to be sterile, threw herself into the abyss under her temple and had her followers flee to Karn where they became the Sisterhood of Karn.

Rassilon created the gene looms which would create new Gallifreyans from stored genetic material.

As Rassilon's reign became more and more despotic, The Other leaped into the looms to be recreated some 10 million years later as the first Doctor.
[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
@ xaccers. I enjoy reading your posts. You are the go to guy on who lore :D:):thumbup:

Learnt a lot in that one.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
The problem is we won't know exactly what is and isn't canon until it gets confirmed by the TV series, and even then it could be re-written.

Moffatt has thankfully included the 1996 TV film, and by McGann mentioning the names of companions he had in the Big Finnish audio series it means that those stories are more likely to be considered canon.

Some stories have the looms creating Gallifreyans with adult bodies, yet we've seen Gallifreyan children, and the Doctor's crib.

He spoke of being a child and having a father, and a human mother, in the TV film.
[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
Yeah that's true about we have to wait on what Moffat decides is cannon or not.

Oh yes I almost forgot about The Doctor in the tv movie stating he is half human :eek:

But what I've learnt from the show.

The Doctor lies.. :D;)
[Off-topic] coldbloc:
A Whovian explanation.
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Lol! Good one xD

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[Off-topic] delsus:
Ok a couple of days have passed since the Day of the Doctor, and I have time to post some theories (based on past episodes and other stories that are widely considered cannon.)

I truly believe initially Hurt's Doctor did destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks with the moment, but the 10th and 11th appearing and preventing that created an alternate timeline which we will now see. after all as said by Amy, the Doctor and River "time can be rewritten" looking back this is why the doctor time locked the war again using the moment because he knew if he didn't anyone with the ability to travel in time (any surviving Time Lords, Daleks, Time agents to name a few) could go back and stop the Doctor. This is afterall what the time war was based around, the Daleks loose a battle, they travel back in time and reverse the outcome the Time lords did the same because of this something was needed. Going back to how that influances what happened in the 50th, the Doctors did exactly what they didn't want to do after the Moment allowed them through the time lock as a last minute attempt to change his mind (it was obvious throughout the episode the moment didn't want the events to happen.)

And the actions of all 13 Doctors were described as "putting Gallifrey in a pocket universe" rather than a time lock therefore I believe they altered the flow of time in this manner. Now why Hurt's doctor and Tennant's won't remember what happened, is questionable, I can only believe it's because they are going back to the prime timeline (what we have already seen) and Smith is in the alternate timeline, this would allow the past events to still be there and valid whilst allowing such a huge change in the timeline happen. Also in Time Crash, The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors (where timelines weren't altered this much) there was no mention of memory loss when you meet yourself from another time.

Now the part that really bothers me is Rassilon's ultimate sanction or his plan to create a paradox so big it causes the time vortex to collapse, causing reality itself to be destroyed, the time lords would become none corporeal beings and live on. As I understand he was planning this prior to the fall of Arcadia therefore before the timeline changed now the ultimate sanction probably can't be used in the pocket universe as they don't have access to the vortex, therefore no time travel to create a paradox. Now this hole can be addressed in future episodes either by the Doctor defeating Rassilon (who we have to assume still lives), the insanity caused by the war subsides or the Time Lords stop Rassilon, but the Doctor can't just find Gallifrey with no mention of the ultimate sanction.

I hope this makes sense to you all.
[Off-topic] coldbloc:
In other words it goes all timey wimey and a fez is involved.

Dwarf alert -

http://vimeo.com/70044723
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
Who says they ever modified the timeline at all? It was said that after Hurt left he would not remember it, and would think he pushed the button and destroyed it
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No, Tennant couldn't remember it either. Only Eleven and onwards remember.

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[Off-topic] delsus:
It could very well be they are going back to the timeline before they changed it, as I said in my wall of text in the other episodes with multiple doctors there is nothing saying they would forget the experience, in fact in Time Crash 10 says he knew how to stop the Tardis exploding because he remembered what he saw as Davison, the only difference is the possibility of a massive change in the timeline, with Hurt and Tennant going back to the the prime timeline, however the prime and alternate timelines converged when Smith crossed his own timeline. As I said I am thinking from cannon sources seen before, and nothing says they should forget what happened, and they think something else did outside of an alternate reality.

Tennant even mentioned changing their own personal past. Smith isn't affected by the memory loss because it's all his present, he is carrying on down his timeline.
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
Exactly. That also explains why in Tennant's last episode, he thought the return of the Time Lords couldn't be possible, when they broke through a rift that looked very similar to the one Rose went through
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Rassilon and the high council were proceeding with that plan, as mentioned in the Arcadia control room, so the actions they took (for example the drums in the Master's head - oh how I hate Simms as the Master) had already been taken, allowing the events of The End of Time to still take place.

Rassilon has access to the Eye of Harmony to transverse the vortex.

He was also pretty insane and despotic to start with, implementing martial law and preventing anyone leaving Gallifrey, which is why The Other had to escape by jumping into the gene looms to be reconstituted 10 million years later as the Doctor.
[Off-topic] delsus:
But its obvious the doctor is still going to look for Gallifrey knowing about the Ultimate Sanction therefore the only thing I can see happening is the doctor fighting Rassilon although as the tenth he was obviously afraid of what the time lords had become.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
He'll have to find another white point star diamond :D

Yes it will be interesting to see what happens when the Doctor and Rassilon meet, and the Master :)
[Off-topic] delsus:
It will be interesting if they do it that way, but its something that cannot be overlooked.
[Off-topic] Archer:
I'll just leave this here...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tinyrebel.doctorwholegacy
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Lol awesome

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[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
[MENTION=4310089]delsus[/MENTION]

[MENTION=1911194]xaccers[/MENTION]

Great discussion lads :):thumbup:

[MENTION=1071274]Archer[/MENTION] Thanks for that link :D:p;):thumbup:
[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
Geronimoooooo!

:p
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Alllons-y!

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[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
:D:thumbup:

Fantastic!

Now we used up all the Doctor's lines.

I wonder what the new Doctor's line is going to be?
[Off-topic] THE RED BLUR:
Nice try... .

:p

To obvious :D

Geronimoooooo..

But at least it created some sort of activity here..
[Off-topic] Aizukaori:
My feelings on Who lately are summed up pretty well by this article. Couldn't have said it better myself. Spoilers for the 50th Anniv. if you haven't watched it yet.

http://tealeavesdogears.wordpress.c...-understand-grief-and-its-killing-doctor-who/
[Off-topic] geekygrl:
I don't think you could really call yourself a Whovian if you were not up watching the simultaneous broadcast of Day of the Doctor when it was released (and the repeat later that night again, well in Australia it was hehehe) :p:p

(Work etc not withstanding!!)
[Off-topic] Aizukaori:
I DVR'd it, lol. I almost never sit down for live television.
[Off-topic] delsus:
I get let off cos I was working. (watched it the second I got in on iPlayer though)
[Off-topic] Aizukaori:
Sadly iPlayer usually doesn't work for us filthy 'murricans. After all, as Clarkson has said on TG, we're all murderers.
[Off-topic] geekygrl:
lol iPlayer doesn't work here either but we have iView which has all the older episodes as well as the new one - but Dr Who has always been hugely popular in Australia for decades on our national broadcaster ABC
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Proxy/VPN?

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[Off-topic] delsus:
Brits pay for the privilege of iPlayer through the license fee (but let's not start an argument.) you can always use a proxy to watch, also there are places online.
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I don't have a TV license and I can use iPlayer.

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
Not legally
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How do you not have a TV license? It's like 100 quid for the entire house, for the rest of your life.

And, that's illegal btw. Just saying ;p

- Amp Milk
[Off-topic] delsus:
It's illegal to watch TV shows as they are being broadcast, watching on demand is legal. If you watch iPlayer shows live then you need a licence.
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Ah thanks for clearing that up.

- Amp Milk
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This^^

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
Just finished Matt Smith's first season on Netflix, some good stories and he's slowly growing on me, very slowly.

I'm also watching Tom Baker's seasons which are awesome. Just watched the genesis of the Daleks, and now Unit need the Doctor's help as some naughty Zygons are attacking the north sea oil rigs.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Just watched the Xmas special. Genius.
[Off-topic] Cooptx:
Whoever hasn't seen Xmas special send me a pm ;)
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Meh. Very meh.

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
The question is; Will Clara be left in the past due to a Weeping Angel, or will the Doctor drop her off, so she can become her grandmother?
[Off-topic] Bowmanspeer:
I need to go back and watch the original series. I have recently been watching first season with David Tennant and found I missed the episode with k9. I'm sure there are a lot of other things I've missed because I haven't seen the originals.
[Off-topic] Nonta72:
Anyone out here who knows when the Series 8 is coming out ?

Too excited to wait for it :good: :good: :good: :good: :good: :good:

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[Off-topic] Quinny899:
August I think
[Off-topic] Archer:
Yep, August it is...

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_8)
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
That's on BBC One though obviously, if you can access that or iPlayer it will be then, otherwise you might have to wait
[Off-topic] LuciferSam86:
Of all the doctors my favourite are 4 and 10. Btw are they started with the last doctor? And what do you think of the latest doctor?
[Off-topic] Nonta72:
Thanks sir, do you have an exact date about the release ?

Thanks I read all of it :good:

My favourite one is 10 and 11. BTW, 10 always comes 1st if I have to pick only one :D

About the new Doctor, I think he will be also BRILLIANT with his "Kidneys" :p

I saw him in action in Torchwood and tbh, he was a great man who was able to do things only The Doctor can do. :eek:

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[Off-topic] alkesh95:
Hey guys i am a beginner whovian

So please tell me from which season i should start

Season 5,6 or 7

Thanks
[Off-topic] BrianLester:
I am not sure, but I'd recommend to start from 5th and if you don't get it, try the seasons with David Tennant. They say, you never forget your first doctor :laugh:
[Off-topic] Archer:
I'd personally say to start at Christopher Eccleston (9th Doctor) as he was the one that re-introduced the show after it being off the air for many years. You'll be able to jump into that without requiring anything from the previous shows, and pick it up as you go along. I also think he's one of the best Doctors and doesn't receive enough credit or recognition, purely because he only did 1 series.

He's not my favourite though. No-one will be better than Tom Baker. He *is* The Doctor.

Would you like a Jelly Baby?
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
BBC also made an official announcement about it on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=769767453043675

Start at the first season of the 2005 reboot.
[Off-topic] alkesh95:
Thanks everyone

Will watch doctor who reboot all seasons

If you need help pm me or search

I will try my best to help you out
[Off-topic] Archer:
No idea mate - they've not given an official release date yet. I think it will be either August 2nd, August 9th, August 16th, August 23rd or August 30th :p
[Off-topic] Nonta72:
It would AWESOME if it was 8 August !

If so, we would get this: Series 8 starting 8-8-2014. Everything 8 !

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[Off-topic] Quinny899:
We have a date, 23rd August

Or, the day before my birthday. I ain't mad

Name and teaser here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....182096918471010.52777.127031120644257&type=1
[Off-topic] alkesh95:
Where i can watch doctor who from season 2

In 360p-480p

I have slow internet

Please help

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[Off-topic] feralcat:
Anyone catching all the classics on retrotv weekdays and Saturdays. Awesome to watch.
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
I like how this didn't get bumped for the current series.

I did enjoy last night's, felt a little better than the first two IMO
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Lol I forgot to watch it ?
[Off-topic] alkesh95:
No offence to new doctor but i really miss David Tennant and matt smith....

They had charming stupidity.

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[Off-topic] Archer:
Personally, I'm totally blown away by Peter Capaldi. He's instantly one of my favourite Doctors. I was a bit concerned about the transition from Matt Smith, but it was done so well with the way he's showing vulnerability, which is something we're not used to seeing in him. I suspect there's more going on than meets the eye though. Clara is "in charge" a lot of the time, and he's letting her do it. Something is afoot.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Tennant was great. I won't argue on that.

It wasn't until the very last few episodes that I started to think Smith fit the role. He was too childish and too young. If you're familiar with the term 'fangirl pleasing', you know what I mean.

Capaldi is absolutely brilliant. He's grumphy, more like the doctors from the old series, doesn't do the whole 'must flirt with everything' routine and he actually makes you realize he's 2000 years old and has seen a lot. He fits the role very well.

It's a shame Clara won't be around much longer, though. She's by far one of the better companions of the new series, particularly paired with Capaldi's doctor.
[Off-topic] Archer:
I agree. I really like Clara and think she'll be a tough act to follow, like Rose was (poor, poor useless Martha). But if my theories are correct, she'll be going out in BIG style! Watch this space :p
[Off-topic] jcleary:
Clara finally feels like a real assistant in this series. So far so good, although I think we need a big "wow" moment soon.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
It will probably have something to do with this 'heaven' thing. (I also can't shake the sense that this Missy is familiar somehow. The actress hasn't been on the show, that's not it.)

They better make it big, she deserves no less! :)
[Off-topic] Archer:
If you just mean familiar as in seeing her elsewhere, she has done a ton of British comedy. Did you watch Green Wing? She was brilliant in that and could often be found being very, very surreal :D
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Ah! I thought she looked familiar!

But I did actually mean the character. :)
[Off-topic] Archer:
Yeah, I wasn't sure if you meant the character or the actress. I don't think she's been in it before, but I don't profess to know everything about Doctor Who - far from it! Who knows? (see what I did there? :silly:)
[Off-topic] delsus:
The theories right now about Missy seem to be ranged from her being River or The Rani and even as far as being The Master.

We really haven't seen enough of her to have a proper theory though.
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
And we're off!

For UK live viewers, new BBC1 ident :)
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Agreed ?? Capaldi is amazing. I just wish the writing was better atm
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
He's a bit more.. real. (Irony!) The writing has its ups and downs.

Last week's ep was... very much a family ep. Fun for the kids and a good laugh for the adults, but not exactly much depth. A fun adventure with a happy ending for the whole family to watch, but not what we've come to expect in the show these days.

I think we all forget a little too often that this is still a show meant for kids as much as adults.

(I had hoped for a crossover with the actual BBC show Robin Hood (It ended long ago, I know), but alas. I'm a great fan of crossovers, it's a bit silly.)

I liked the script of yesterday's ep more as it was cleverer. It required more attention, the ending was actually a bit unexpected and the tie-ins to the rest of the series was nicely done, particularly the unspoken ones. It wasn't perfect and brilliant, but it was entertaining and had more depth than most shows do.

Although I did rather hope for a real monster in the end, but it would've resulted in a lot of sleepless kids for several weeks. It somewhat makes sense they didn't do that. :)
[Off-topic] Archer:
So what was under the bedspread then? ;)

Nothing in this series (except maybe last week's "fun episode") has been explained and ended. There is a TON of stuff happening right now and I cannot wait to see how it all ties together. I have a very strong feeling that this series will end with some mind-boggling explanations of things that we've not even realised so far are actually very important. If not the series, then the Christmas special.

Personally, I think this last episode was probably my favourite Doctor Who episode ever. I totally loved it. I'm looking forward to the mid-week rewatch that I always do :D