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[Nexus 10 General] GETCASHMONEY:
All i can say is that there is no reason anyone can say that the n10 is better for productivity. Ill give you YouTube and angry birds advantage maybe, but not what the note is built for. Also, anyone who says multi window is a joke obviously hasn't used it or doesn't do serious multitasking. Have you never done tthat on a laptop? I'm not biased btw, I have owned both. Convinced a friend to buy the nexus 10 actually, but if you are looking for a laptop replacement you can't beat the note.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
Your point still doesn't make sense. So you're saying that Apps need to improve, but the OS is basically a finished product? :confused:

Firstly, the two are part of the same thing. Where do you draw the line between OS and app? For instance: is "Browser" an app or part of the OS? The answer is of course both. Similarly, the improvements in speed and fluidity brought along with 4.1 affect the speed and usability of every app in the play store.

Secondly, all Android apps are written to the API's available. The API's improve with each version of the OS, allowing developers to both do things they couldn't do before, and allow apps to do things in better ways. Consequently as with 2.3 devices today, if you can't upgrade the OS you might get the app but you won't get the newer features.

Maybe performance isn't everything, but what advantages does the Note actually have!?! As far as I can see it comes down to a single software feature (multiview), and a pen. This opposed to a screen with four times as many pixels, guaranteed updates for years to come and a SoC which is at least 50% quicker. It's a ridiculous comparison quite frankly.
[Nexus 10 General] hoss_n2:
You should read this post before saying that the note is only better in (multiview and spen) in fact you haven't tried a note before for saying such a uselss post i have quoted it for you
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
Like others have pointed you are being a bit myopic. That is why you cannot grasp the points and it doesn't make sense to you. And yet again you are making strawman arguments to defend your counters.

Some alleged claims like "what people want for 300 quid" and other such arguments you draw don't actually stand up to scrutiny and evidence. For example although the theoretical CPU advantage of the Exynos 5 Dual is probably in the order of 50%+ purely going by ARM's A9->A15 marketing, most benchmarks let alone real-world performance are hardly realizing that benefit. It's heinous that the Exynos 4 still outperforms the Nexus 10 in some benchmarks like BrowserMark. Some would make the argument that apps in 4.2 aren't yet fully optimized and we'll see Exynos 5 Dual pulling away in the future -- would you?

No Nexus device has yet to hit even the 2-year mark for first-party (Google) updates. The Nexus One stopped at Gingerbread and the Nexus S stopped at Ice Cream Sandwich. The Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, Nexus 10 and Nexus 4 update longevity remains to be seen but history doesn't give Google the benefit of the doubt on this one. But that's nitpicking -- yes, Nexus devices have longer OS support than Samsung devices do.

It's a ridiculous comparison to you. You have demonstrated that for your personal needs, performance and the display are indeed everything. The S-Pen, multi-view and related benefits are not in your set of wants or needs. Others have demonstrated that these features are more important to them than temporally superlative performance or a pixel-dense-but-not-that-great-otherwise display.

Each has selling points the other simply does not have. I don't understand why this even needs further discussion.

Before I pull a strawman myself, let me ask you: are you advocating the Nexus 10 purely because it is more "futureproof" than the Note 10.1?
[Nexus 10 General] atn0716:
Have any of you actually use a note with its jb update? I don't know what is your definition of faster. If it is because the nexus can open app within a sec without lag, then I can safely say the note can too. Both device are great, but there is no sense of asking in nexus forum or note forum. There will be bias.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
You've ignored my points entirely. I guess you're quietly dropping your whole "software" argument then and instead focusing on the pen and multiview now.

Your review link is a comparison of browsers more than it is a comparison of CPU speed, and CPU speed is only one aspect of the performance advantage the N10 has over the Note10. I can get a sunspider score of 680ms just by using the Chrome beta - it means very little. Anand even explicitly states so in the very review you linked. Are you actually suggesting that the N10 isn't much faster?

The Nexus S got 4.1.2 just like the rest of the family. The Nexus One is the only exception, and to be fair it wasn't exactly aimed at consumers anyway.

I think the N10 is the better choice because it's superior from a hardware perspective, will be kept up-to-date for years to come and yet costs about the same. It's the better deal, basically.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
I ignored your point(s) because it was a strawman. I have no business defending an argument that isn't my own.

I am saying that the Nexus 10 isn't universally crushing the benchmarks, and that in real-world usage it's only pulling meaningfully (perceptibly) ahead of the Note 10.1 situationally. You pointed out one such situation (andFTP, if true and not due to other non-chipset related factors).

My mistake, the Nexus S did indeed stop at Jelly Bean 4.1.2. Still 22 months til EOL -- no Nexus device has made it to 2 years of updates so far.

And one could consider the Note 10.1 the better choice for the S-Pen and litany of TouchWiz-specific enhancements/features outlined above, among other things. This is assuming that Exynos 5 Dual doesn't confer enough of a performance advantage to outweigh those benefits for one's particular usage patterns, and that the massive resolution difference isn't a deal-breaker for one either. Different strokes for different folks.

Returning to a previous quote of yours:

No, that doesn't make any sense. You can't do everything you can do on the Note 10.1 on the Nexus 10. And it won't be perceptibly faster in nearly every situation (most current games for instance), though you did point out andFTP as an alleged example of a situation where it does. When it's noticeably faster in the situations that matter to someone, that someone should get the Nexus 10. Just the existence of S-Pen and the TouchWiz featureset defeats the entire premise of your counter. In hindsight I shouldn't have responded to that post as it was a strawman from the outset.

Have you ever even used a Note 10.1 or Note device?
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
I gave you two examples, but you seem to have missed the point: Fundamentally ANY task that is CPU heavy will be MUCH quicker on the N10. That includes software decoding of any video that can't be decoded in hardware, any kind of task which requires compression or encryption, or emulation. Basically anything that requires hard computation... These are not just trivial or one-off tasks. One of the nice things about tablets is the hardware acceleration of various workloads, but fundamentally not everything can be hardware accelerated. Many things never will be. Anything that isn't hardware accelerated is MUCH quicker on the N10. And as I've been at pains to point out: This is a gap that will only grow with time.

Not perceptibly quicker!?!? You have never used a N10. I've used the Note 2 a fair bit, and owned both a S3 and a note 1... until you remove touchwiz and install AOSP/cyanogenmod let me assure you: THE N10 IS MUCH, MUCH FASTER. It's actually funny how long it takes to go back to the home screen with touchwiz installed. Deny this if you like, but there is a reason so many people give up all of the great touchwiz features for a custom rom.

What specifically is it you can do on your Note I can't on my N10? There is a (much better) generic app available to replace every touchwiz bundled app, and they don't entail huge slowdowns like touchwiz does. The only feature worth having is multiview, which in reality supports a very small number of applications anyway. And it's not like the N10 won't get multi-view sooner or later anyway.
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
Seriously enough people. Why are we here bashing one tablet over another? This thread is sounding like an Apple versus Android topic, with both sides arguing for their favorite. Just leave it at the Nexus and the Note are both great tablets. One will suit some people, while the other will suit others. friend'scatdied, just because the Note 10.1 is better for you doesn't make it better than the Nexus 10, but it's better for you. Just because I like the Nexus better than the Note doesn't make it better, but it's better for me. Stop trying to convince everyone here that the Note is unbeatable.

You talk about the Touchwiz features and such, but not everyone wants those, or needs them. Personally, I hate Touchwiz. I think that about most third party manufacturer ui's like Sense, Blur and others. I can't stand them. In every situation I have used Touchwiz, Sense, and others, it's given my phone/tablet a feeling of sluggishness. Does that mean that it's that way for everyone? No. But that's been my personal experience.

Have you used the Nexus 10? You ask people if they've used the Note 10.1. I have, and based on my experience with it, I wouldn't want to own one. That's just me. If you haven't used the Nexus 10, than you are not in a position to judge it.

Bottom line it, both tablets are good tablets. I prefer the Nexus 10. Others prefer the Note. But just because we have favorites we shouldn't turn this into a bash fest like Apple vs. Android.
[Nexus 10 General] GETCASHMONEY:
This guy ^ is a joke. You haven't ever used a note 10.1 obviously. Since the jelly bean update there is no lag within touch wiz. None. The n10 is not marginally quicker. I have owned both. Used both within one day. They are faster at different things. N10 might be a millisecond faster multi tasking, but note scrolls much smoother. Multi view is not only for a small amount of apps. You can have every single app multi view if you want (I do). Keep telling yourself you will get multi view soon. You will sound just like an apple user waiting for a large screen.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
Okay, and the gap is allegedly very noticeable with andFTP and non-H/W-accelerated flash. Where else?

Okay, so TouchWiz is responsible for what is allegedly a vast gulf in perceptible performance? I thought it was a function of the hardware.

You'll never be able to replicate the functionality of the S-Pen on the Nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] GETCASHMONEY:
I was referring to the guy 2 spots above me. The guy right above me has a respectable opinion.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
Have you been reading a single post I've made?

Here's some quotes:

"[striggy2012] seem to be suggesting that there is no reason anyone should get the Note 10.1 over the Nexus 10 and I disagree completely -- but that does not mean I'm saying the converse."

"It's a ridiculous comparison to [stiggy2012]. [stiggy2012] has demonstrated that for [his] personal needs, performance and the display are indeed everything. The S-Pen, multi-view and related benefits are not in [his] set of wants or needs. Others have demonstrated that these features are more important to them than temporally superlative performance or a pixel-dense-but-not-that-great-otherwise display."

"Different strokes for different folks."

I don't understand how these are inconsistent with your findings. You seem to have the person that's calling either of these "unbeatable" confused.
[Nexus 10 General] hatchna:
Right now I don't care who's calling what what. It just seems like some Nexus guys don't want anyone to buy anything else, and some Note people don't want people to buy anything else. There are ridiculous arguments going on for both sides. I just tire of the flaming. I visit these threads for informational purposes, and what it ends up feeling like is a bunch of 5th graders seeing who can pee the farthest. Fans of both products just need to accept that both are good products, and they both will do well to whoever buys them. Enough flaming.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
The only ridiculous argument is the argument that either of these is the be-all-end-all; the only one anyone should buy.

In fact many arguments posited here have been valid. Some haven't actually refuted another given argument; that doesn't make them invalid but only irrelevant to whatever argument is being responded to.

This is a "Polls and Opinions" thread. No one needs a time-out if they're discussing pros and cons to each device and that's exactly what's being done -- there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone. Choosing to accept the obvious (i.e. that these devices are both different and appeal to different people) doesn't contribute at all to the discussion or purpose of this thread.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
The Note 10.1's biggest and only deficiency is its 720P (147 PPI) display. And with the push currently underway to 1080+P display's that a big deficiency. For productivity and creation users it's the price you pay. But for productivity and creation there's nothing on the market that can touch the Note; and that includes cobbling together a bunch of third party stuff to try and mimic the Note's features on other tablets.

The N10's display is a liability performance wise. It's got Exynos 5 which is fantastic but to support the memory bandwidth required by the display a portion of the bandwidth is hard coded to be available in case the display needs it. The net result is Exynos 4 at 147PPI performs as well Exynos 5 at 300PPI. In addition, with the JB update, the Note's as smooth and fluid as any Android tablet on the market. There's more than enough h/w horsepower to support TW and all the Note's unique features. Anything non-UI related on the N10 has to be upscaled and a lot of apps have trouble with its odd resolution which impacts graphics performance. And the Note has better battery life and charges 1/3 faster than the N10. So to say the N10 being a "pure Google" device performs significantly better than the Note isn't true.

And comparing issues on the N10 and Note forum's is night and day. The N10 has far more than the Note. Most of the issues discussed on the Note forum are about some of the functional choices Samsung's made in S Note and things people would like to see implemented differently. There are very few on build quality and QC.

Someone just posted this in the DNA forum in a comparison thread. It applies here too. Life with TW is 10x easier than AOSP. Samsung's take on Android is impure, but who cares if it makes doing the things you do every day better?

The N10's a great choice for consumption users almost solely because of its display. At $499 for 32GB (which is mandatory with no SD slot) it's a "fair" value; it's certainly no bargain when you factor in the build quality and QC issues which are disappointing for a Samsung-built device. For productivity and creation users the Note's features make it one-of-a-kind and an easy choice. Sadly, you have to compromise and accept a 147PPI display to get those features. So at the end of the day what people's individual needs are should drive their purchase decision knowing that both the N10 and Note will force you to accept compromises.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
I think that ship has sailed. With lower pricing (and quality) Nexi are now clearly aimed at the mainstream consumer market and are meant to compete with the likes of iPad/iPhone, the Kindle Fire, and devices with overlays.

Since we on XDA are enthusiasts we assume that performance is a critical feature. If you look at what the masses buy, it's not. The KF is the best-selling Android tablet on the market based on 2012 sales and it's using a forked version of Android and isn't as powerful as the N7. Even the G-Tab 2's are outselling the N7. The masses like features that make using their devices easier. AOSP and making a device a garage project is fine for the 5% of enthusiasts like those on XDA. That's why at the same price as the SGS2/3 and Sensation/One X the GN only sold 750K units. There aren't enough enthusiasts to sustain sales for any single phone or tablet and if "pure" is a critical feature then the masses certainly aren't voting for it with their wallets. In fact, it appears the opposite is true.
[Nexus 10 General] enik_fox:
Nexus s is on jellybean just a pro tip
[Nexus 10 General] SCHEND0:
I use my tablet in a way that is very close to how you would, in terms of percentages, with a little heavier emphasis on school and note taking being a being a student in college. I use my nexus for note taking in all of my classes and it works great; I just use Google Drive for storing all of my notes, so I can access them anywhere and on my phone, and for taking the notes themselves I just use the stock keyboard which also works great. If this resembles the way you might use your tablet then I would HIGHLY recommend the Nexus 10. Some people have conveyed a few difficulties with the Nexus but I have yet to have a single problem (knock on wood). One caveat would be if you would ever be having to take notes for a science, math, or engineering class where tables and formulas are required; in this case you would want to Note 10.1 because the S Note capabilities are amazing for utilizing formulas, tables, etc.
[Nexus 10 General] kunalm123:
Nexus 10

Since you said you wanted the tablet for app development, the Nexus 10 is a better bet. There is tons of support out there, you will not have unexpected issues due to Samsung softwares and well its just an awesome tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] friend'scatdied:
One of the key benefits for the Nexus 10 for hardcore development is that its superlative resolution allows it to pull off that fancy simulation of pretty much any Android config.
[Nexus 10 General] mrbkkt1:
Not on official updates, only through secondary roms.
[Nexus 10 General] nipip:
I have the note 10.1 and I'm considering the N10.

Multitasking in the note is great, is it a step back to give away 2 cores?

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[Nexus 10 General] Andrewtst:
I always want a tablet but never get as nearly all Samsung tablet was lagging especially the tab 10.1, then I seen note 10.1 where quite smooth but still not smooth enough in it UI, you still spot from time to time lagging, that time it still running ICS.

Then my friend buy the Asus padfone2 and I was really impress with it performance, extremely smooth no lagging issue, I nearly buy it but I notice it don't have dev support here and it screen kind of more yellowish. I give up at the end.

Then I check out this Nexus 10, from all video I seen, it really impress me the whole performance. Nexus 10 was the right choice tablet for me, it extremely smooth and great sharp clear display.

If you ask me in market which tablet can buy for 10.1 size now, first choice will be Nexus 10, then padfone2 and lastly note 10.1, all this 3 was usable tablet.

Note 10.1 was much smooth after upgrade to latest jelly bean and all Samsung add on customize was a plus for it. But those cool features was fun to have not a must for me.

Smoothness and performance wise, note 10.1 will be in rank 3 for me, it ain't bad just not extreme top performance for me.
[Nexus 10 General] enik_fox:
Yes on official updates. I have two. The noon rooted one got it a while ago. Google is your friend...

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No because the cores that the nexus 10 does have are A15 cores which are far superior to the A9 cores in the note 10.1 plus the GPU is much much improved and it has open CL support.
[Nexus 10 General] mrbkkt1:
Sorry, thinking of 4.2, not 4.12
[Nexus 10 General] rcatron:
I own both, and if I was only able to have one...

....I would have to pick the Note 10.1

It is hard to explain why, but if I had to generalize - it is because it is simply more interesting and, for me, is much more usable as a daily driver than any other tablet. I am lucky to own several tablets: Xoom Wifi, Nexus 7, Nexus 10, Galaxy Tab 7 7.0, Galaxy Note 10.1, and iPad 3 32GB/3g. I have also owned the Lenovo K1 10.1" and the Transformer Prime along with a rooted Kindle Fire with JB on it.

I have owned them all within weeks of their launch. There is no question whatsoever that the Nexus 10 is faster than the Note. I base my performance measures using Octane Benchmark on Chrome Beta which benchmarks on Octane than any other browser that I have found. (The Note averages a little over 2,000, whereas the Nexus 10 averages a blazing 3,800!)

The JB 4.1.2 update for the Note has made it even more useful - a smoother experience for certain. I actually like Touchwiz after the JB update. To me, the Nexus 10 seems just plain now. I never thought that I would say that as I was always striving to get the pure Android experience.

I like that Samsung still supports Flash in their 4.1.2 build (in the default browser). Flash is still a must for a 100% web experience, though I am not a huge fan.

I do like the Nexus 10, and was very happy that Samsung, not Asus (!), was building it for Google. My past Asus experiences were terrible (I try and forget the Transformer Prime) and though I had high hopes for the Nexus 7, it has proven to be solidly an Asus product - laggy - feeling little, if any faster than the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 with the recently released JB 4.1.1 update on it.

I think the ideal tablet would be a cross between the two devices - perhaps that would be the perfect Android device I have been waiting for (no, unfortunately, none of the ones I have now can be considered that perfect one). If the Nexus 10 becomes the basis of the next gen Note, then we may just may have the perfect device.
[Nexus 10 General] rp3:
I have also owned both of these (my forth and fifth Samsung tablets after the 8.9, 7.0 plus and 7.7). I prefer the Nexus 10. Here are my reasons:

1: Build quality. The Nexus 10 has Soft-touch plastic on the back. The Note 10.1 has a flimsy sort of platic on the back. This difference in design is the difference between feeling like Samsung made a giant SGS3 on the cheap (having liked the SGS3) and wow, I have a premium piece of electronics. While that may not matter compared to whats under the hood to some... for my $500+ dollars... (ok, I bought the note 10.1 for 330 and the 32gb Nexus for 440 but still) I shouldn't have the worst build quality of a 2012 Samsung Tablet

2: Screen. The screen is better. This screen is the best screen on a tablet.

With the downsides of losing remote, microsd and pen. I didn't use the remote on my other samsungs so it was no big deal. MicroSD... that was a major issue. I have an AT&T LG Optimus G with a 64gb card and had a 32 GB card on the Note 10.1. I looked and saw I use 25gb regularly (given how many games I like to keep. My plan is to use Titanium to save game progress and uninstall/reinstall games as I intend to play. The pen never meant anything to me... I just wanted a faster tablet than the 7.7 not made by Asus (and grew weary of the Kindle Fire 8.9).
[Nexus 10 General] Dannyada1988:
The 10.1-inch Super PLS TFT display with 2,560×1,600 pixels is Nexus 10′s ace up the sleeve, the highest screen resolution on the market. But Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 comes with Android 4.0.3 ICS plus the Value Pack apps that get the most from the stylus and the motion controls, that provide some of the Samsung Galaxy S3 experience, and it is very fast when it comes to browsing and launching apps.

So which one to choose depends on your real demand.
[Nexus 10 General] mrbkkt1:
Jellybean now. I loved the spen so much, that I bought a matching note 2.