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[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.

I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.

The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. ;) Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.

OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.

[YOUTUBE]LZ3krff1JCE[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 10 General] Jotokun:
Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
It also has S-Pen features, but as you said, it really goes both ways.

Also, it's not a question of "can" they do it. It's more of a question of "will" they do it. Just because Google or some dev "can" replicate it, doesn't mean it'll come to the N10.

I'm not siding with either one here, but they both have their merits and faults.

As for app development, I'd think the N10 is a better choice for you mainly because it'll be up to date software-wise for a long long while and you can continue to develop apps.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
You're absolutely right - it's a matter of individual choice. With h/w having reached the state it has performance increases are measured in milliseconds. For people that are more interested in benchmarks and picking up 1/10 of a second in screen transitions than actually getting stuff done a Nexus device is an excellent choice. By the time you add (if they exist) non-integrated third party apps from developers ranging from excellent to sketchy to replicate the Note's features you have as much (if not more) bloat on it and the apps don't work as well together. Can you wireless transmit content from your N10 to any HDMI-equipped output device? By the time Miracast reaches critical mass the N10 III will be out. Someone above mentioned Nexus as a developers platform. Those days are gone too. With value-based starting prices for the N4/N7/N10 of $299/$199/$399 respectively and a decidedly lower focus on build quality Nexus is now a mainstream consumer product with its lead feature being price/value. The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge, and given the short lifespan of smartphones, it's only natural that the GN was already superseded by the imminent S3.
[Nexus 10 General] LxMxFxD:
Nexus 10 16GB is $444 with shipping & tax, Nexus 10 32GB is $553 with shipping and tax.

I got mine on a "deal" from staples because I had a $10 off coupon and shipping was free. After tax it was still $533. Google charges tax to every state in USA as far as I know, except the states without a sales tax. New Hampshire?

As for apps crashing... HDhomerun 2 crashes constantly, chrome has completely locked up my device, and other apps just randomly force close. I've only had the device for 2 days and its running completely stock. I know that over time things will crash less so i'm not complaining a whole lot. But its quite annoying.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.

Here's an article talking about it...

Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
I thought it was much earlier, but regardless, you're right in that fast updates and pureness don't sell. But I sincerely doubt that hardware itself is also what makes sales soar. Yeah, the S3 sale is simply outstanding, but I'm sure the majority of S3 owners only bought the S3 because it's something new (among the iPhones) and because they "heard" from nearly everywhere that it's a smartphone that can compete well against the iPhone. And yes, the hardware helps with that definitely, but the majority don't care if it has an Exynons 4412 SoC inside clocked at 1.4 gHz.

What I consider as the best reason for poor Nexus sales is that Google just sucks at advertising. I never saw once in my life a billboard or a TV commercial about the Galaxy Nexus on it. I only knew about it because I like tech and try to keep up with what's new. I see Google doing a better job with the recent Nexus line though, but now that Samsung has gained so much popularity with its own flagship line, people are going to keep their eyes on any new pure Samsung products (the S4 and Note III).

So how does this relate to the OP - it really doesn't :P.

I will have to agree that anything in the Nexus line is a better developer platform. Yes, it's commercialized as an average consumer product, but the long support from Google will give it the advantage in development because you can continue to develop apps without having to worry about breaking compatibility in newer devices. Also, you won't have to deal with ROM ports that may work but also may also not work completely.
[Nexus 10 General] lidzhet:
Google Nexus 10 or Note 10

I think that is one hard question to ask? I think Galaxy Note 10 is really awesome phablet, i mean, tablet if you really like writing or drawing stuff on the go, but the size can be the problem if you want to carry it to public area.

So maybe you should pick up Note 5.5-inch instead.

Google Nexus 10 is also one great device, especially with its eye-pleasing screen and fast performance. I also like when Google Earth is run on this device.

Yeah, it's hard question.
[Nexus 10 General] RandomAwesomeGuy:
Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
[Nexus 10 General] testulous:
First thing you'll notice is the screen on the N10 is miles better than the Note 10.1. When the Note gets a SAMOLED I'm getting one. Until then the N10 is the better machine. Plus the faster CPU, and they're both Samsung, why would anybody choose a Note 10.1 instead? Only the stylus. So make that your pivot question. Do you need a stylus or not.
[Nexus 10 General] Jotokun:
The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.

The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
[Nexus 10 General] RandomAwesomeGuy:
Thanks, from my knowledge, the Nexus 10 has two pull down menus from the top, is this correct? And what is each one? Also, Does any one know if there is a rom/mod that enables the old layout? Thanks, again.
[Nexus 10 General] RandomAwesomeGuy:
No stylus, just the things that I described in the first post. Thanks.
[Nexus 10 General] Jotokun:
Left is notifications, right is quick settings. There are roms that enable the old layout, I believe AOPK is one of them. If you want something a little more stock, you could also try http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2078315
[Nexus 10 General] edirector:
I have them both and actually like the polish of TouchWiz better than the stock "phone-like" Jellybean interface. I have had to tweak the heck out of it to not make it look like that. As far as updates, I agree, every time Google pushes something out Nexus will get it first. That can be good and bad. Some people have been complaining about problems after an update. Problems they did not have before it. But who stays on stock anyway? Some of the bugs on Nexus 10 need to be worked out. It is however a good tablet. I don't get people complaining about the build quality, people put it in cases most of the time to protect the device, so who really handles it bare bones?

The Note 10 is excellent. I used to experience carpel tunnel when designing. Not anymore, and the pen is as smooth as butter. There is a difference drawing on glass more so than paper, a slickness. Got used to that the first week. The work I pump out on Note 10 tablet is nothing short of incredible. No more of the pop and click wear and tear on my wrists and arms I get from working long hours on my desktop & laptop computer. What I don't like is spending my weekends transferring a week's work to a TB external hard drive. I do not put original work in a cloud (someone else's remote server) under a TOA or TOS. If Samsung could update Note 10 accepting large storage devices, it would be the perfect tablet.

Hard to choose, so get them both if you can.
[Nexus 10 General] hoss_n2:
You can get 64 gb sd card and put it in the note :) or 128 gb when avaliable (note support XHC sd cards) , it is something that the nexus 10 cant do also or you can connect your external hard drive to this http://www.amazon.com/GrayBean-Sams...1358007261&sr=8-6&keywords=galaxy+tab+usb+otg it is working fine or buy a cheaper one if your hard drive is self powerd by an external source
[Nexus 10 General] consti83:
Got them both right here!

Nexus is way better - the screen is awesome!!

Note 10.1 will be returned
[Nexus 10 General] hoss_n2:
I hate such a floating replies that tend to be lies , give reasons , proves or any thing, you are not helping here
[Nexus 10 General] consti83:
What do you want to hear - everbody knows the details so everything left are the subjective opinions...

here is your proof:

w w w . pic-upload.de/view-17692911/IMAG0451.jpg.html
[Nexus 10 General] toanau:
I know this is between the N10 and Note 10.1. Honesty I have these two tablet. But the best tablet out there right now is the Asus TF300. It has the best bang for your buck. You can probably get the tablet and the keyboard for around $300. With the keyboard you get an extra 10 Hours. you can use the tablet with the keyboard for school. With custom ROM and over clocking you can get almost the get same performance
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
The biggest discussion point for newer devices like the N10 and now the DNA/Butterfly are their awesome displays. The thing people lose sight of (no pun intended) is that the human eye is only capable of processing and resolving images at a certain level. Any detail beyond that level is literally wasted. The 20/20 human eye has a maximum visual acuity of 1 arcminute. That is, two points must subtend an angle greater than 1 arcminute in order for a 20/20 eye to resolve the two points. What this means for displays is that pixels must have an angular subtense of 1 arcminute or greater in order for your eye to resolve the detail in the content. Detail above 1 arcminute isn't perceived by the human eye any differently whether a display has 267 PPI or 441 PPI. This is the reason Apple landed on the resolution they did hence the name "retina display." For example, the N2 has an arcminute subtense 1.073 arcminutes which is nearly perfect and it has a PPI of 267. The DNA has an acrminute subtense of .66 and PPI of 441 which is a waste because anything below "1" can't be resolved by the human eye.

So super high definition displays are more a marketing gimmick, draw more CPU power, and drain the battery faster with the end result being your eyes won't notice any difference. I don't know what the exact numbers are for the Note and N10 but at 147 PPI the Note's above 1 arcminute and at 299 PPI the N10's below it. So you'll notice a difference on text and CGI (but not images and video) but it's not as pronounced as some people here have said unless they have super-human vision. And with the new fixation on resolution things like brightness, contrast, and color accuracy get swept under the rug because all people are focusing on is a PPI count rather than the actual quality of the display. In those areas the Note’s display outperforms the N10’s. And the 1080P display on the DNA isn’t as good in those areas as the 720P display on the One X it's supposedly better than. Remember that when you're salivating over a 441 PPI 1080P smartphone that’s going to be hyped to death this year.

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Asus tablets are based on a fifteen month old SoC and year old design and have a host of component issues that make them horrible performers. Do a search on "Asus IO issues." Friends don't let friends buy Asus tablets.
[Nexus 10 General] Arun01:
I was trying to decide between a nexus 10 & note 10.1 too but the lack of a sd slot & no way to hook up & utilize external hard drives was a no brainer for me to get the note 10.1.:rolleyes:
[Nexus 10 General] RandomAwesomeGuy:
Thank you all for your responses. I posted this thread link in the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 general section. My decision is going to be based on the helpful and persuasive posts, the outcome of the poll, and my opinion too :). Also, more opinions are welcomed in this thread :).Thanks.

PS: Those who posted helpful posts and didn't get a thanks, will get one tomorrow because I am only allowed 8 thanks a day.
[Nexus 10 General] GETCASHMONEY:
OK, I have owned both the n10 and the note. Heard the bad reviews of the note so never considered it. Picked up the n10 at launch, really liked it especially the screen, but battery life wasn't great and after a few weeks I felt like I wasted money because it couldn't do as much as even my phone could.

Anyways, one day I was at sams club, and decided to play with the tablets. Picked up the note thinking, let's see how crappy this really is. I was surprised how quick it was, quicker than my n10 (especially while scrolling). Then I pulled out the pen and started trying out different features. I was floored. Called my wife, told her I was selling the n10. Bought a note the next day, and been in love with it since. Its probably changed my life as much as my first smartphone, due to the amazing productivity features like multi window. In all honesty its better than my nice Samsung laptop in almost every way, I only use that when I absolutely have to.

Trust me, the screen is still great as others have said. Text doesn't look as good, but still fine. That is such a small part of the tablet experience to me that I don't care. The better speakers are awesome, as is the excellent screen contrast. You may not think you will use the s pen, but I use it almost all the time, even if I'm not taking notes.

One final thing. While you wont get updates as quickly, know that samsung does an amazing job adding their own unique features when catching up. They usually call it the premium suite. Many of these upgrades actually include significant features not even found in new android os versions. Keep that in mind. Hope this helps.
[Nexus 10 General] ReggieTee:
I currently have the Note 10.1 and i've been considering returning it for the Nexus 10 as they are in stock at a couple Walmarts near me. The features that the Samsung has put in the Note 10.1 far more outweighs the higher resolution display, stock android, and timely updates from Google. Today was the day I was supposed to go pick up a N10 for the weekend to test it out. After turning on Allshare on my laptop upstairs being able to stream content from it on my Note 10.1 downstairs, I don't know how I could give that feature up. I also like the SD card slot. I'm not interested in buying more external peripheries like an OTG cable to add more storage. I had a Nexus 7 and returned it for the Note. As quiet as its kept, the display on the 10.1 isn't all that bad. Is it as good as retina display or the N10s display? Not at all. However, when streaming Netflix, HBO Go, YouTube, Hulu etc., does it matter? No since the picture will be as good as your connection.

I never really was interested in the 10.1 since I had the N7, however, my wife wanted one after seeing the commecials. Christmas came and I bought her one and she loves it (coming from a Kindle Fire). After Sam's Club allowed me to return my N7, I decided to try the Note also. It has really grown on me after missing my N7 the first couple days. Another plus, accessories are readily available. I know it's been out a few months but I've been able to purchase official cases and docks. I've been visiting this forum and other N10 forums trying to convince myself that the N10 is better and I'd enjoy it more, but I can't say that.
[Nexus 10 General] mi7chy:
Had both the N10 and GN10.1 but ended up returning the N10 and keeping the GN10.1. Everything that matters is better on the GN10.1.
[Nexus 10 General] lKBZl:
Well, im from Spain, and the tablet itself was 399€, 11€ shipping, for the 16gb one, so total 410€... not even close to 450-500€.
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
But he's not you. So what you find "better" might not be important to him. app development seems to be his main concern.
[Nexus 10 General] asdfuogh:
It really all depends on what you need. The Note is more expensive while lacking a higher-res screen, but its packing a wacom stylus and better brightness/contrast apparently. I personally have the Note, and I had the original Asus Transformer before that, and honestly, the difference between a wacom stylus and a crappy capacitive stylus is way big. I can actually use my Note to take notes in class (I could post up samples if anyone wants), and the resolution is something that really doesn't matter to me because it's unnoticeable unless I put my face right to the display. Of course, I got my Note for around $380 so it wasn't at all hard to decide because it wasn't even losing in price at that point..
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's the part that gets lost in these types of comparisons. People have different expectations and use their devices for different things. These are the main categories typically reviewed:

Design

Build quality and components

Display

Peformance

Hardware features and expansion

Software features and functionality

Battery life

Available accessories

Price/value

No two people have the same expecations or priorities in all those areas and some of them are subjective. No single device ever nails every category so folks wanting comparison advice (or that are offering their opinion) need to be more specific about what their needs are to get (or provide) meaningful input from strangers. Otherwise comparison threads always end up turning in to "my device can beat up your device" rants.
[Nexus 10 General] dejahboi:
I personally was on the same boat choosing between the 2 a few months ago. At the time I took my gf to BBuy and fell in love the note 10.1. So I got her one for our anniversary. I had n7 and of course I wanted the n10. But what one me over is the 10.1 sd slot, speakers, the speed esp. with jb 4.1.1 coming from 4.0.4. made this tablet amazing, mutli-view/window, and as for screen quality, it doesnt bother me.I can sit and watch movies all day. I cant really judge the quality of the case since both our tablets are in a case, but it did feel nice in my hands when it wasnt lol.

App development wise id suspect the n10 to havd the most support opposed the 10.1, but overall both are great devices. I just prefer the 10.1 since I use it more than my neglected laptop lol.
[Nexus 10 General] rucas_k:
Thanks