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[Nexus 4 General] Z4nd4r:
Spoiler alert: There will be phones coming out this year that blow the Nexus 4 away when it comes to specs. That said, CES this year kind of sucked.

You bought a Nexus; it'll be solid for the next two years.

And for people dogging on the Sony camera sensor: really? You do know that Apple uses only Sony units in their iPhones, right? Sony makes fantastic camera sensors (and really none of the phone cameras outside of Nokia devices are worth a darn).
[Nexus 4 General] darius0519:
Don't believe that there is any other phone on the planet that can blow away a nexus that another nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] B00T_Sp0rk:
I went through 4 or 5 TFPs. Completely understandable. I eventually called Asus corporate in California and was issued a refund, which I used to buy a TF700. You'll find plenty of people who went through a few TF700s too, but I've had a great experience with mine.

The memory issue wasn't on the Tegra die. Asus used emmc chips with crappy memory controllers (the internal memory). You can actually get around it by moving your system partition to a class 10 micro SD, but the TF700 forums will be able to tell you a lot more about that. The emmc is definitely still the bottleneck on a stock infinity, but as someone who has used both I can tell you it's a much zippier beast, particularly with OC and Clean Rom Inheritance. That could be due to the T33 or to optimizations Asus made behind the scenes. I couldn't tell you. I just know my unit has been fine.

There is probably a good chance your bad experience with Tegra 3 is because of Asus rather than Nvidia, but Nvidia definitely did overhype their silicon like you pointed out. In my experience it's been a solid mid-upper range chip that can handle the bulk of what you'd realistically want to do smoothly and efficiently. I'd liken it to an i5 vs an i7 at this point. As always, your mileage may vary.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Did anyone really buy this phone thinking it would be the best piece of hardware for the next 2 years? I sure didn't. But the hardware is pretty future proof and in a year it'll still kick ass. And it'll get updates till November of 2015, while most new better phones coming out this year will be long eol status by then
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Wut. It's like the opposite of that. Krait APQ8064 (quad core+adreno 320) has quadruple the single threaded CPU performance of Tegra 3 and double the multithreaded CPU perf (compare the LGOG to the HOX International version).

And it has 2 to 3 times the GPU performance.

Meanwhile, if you read this article, a Krait 400 SoC with the Adreno 330 is expected to be 20-30% faster in CPU perf than the current APQ8064, and with 50% more GPU performance. Not nearly as big as the jump from Tegra 3 to Krait/Adreno 320.
[Nexus 4 General] ugotproblemz:
major phone are usually announce during Mobile World Congress...i think its in march?
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Qualcomm stated the 75% claim. I thought they meant the CPU alone was that much faster. Based on the benchmarks the tegra 4 is normally very close to the krait but I guess that's due to bad software optimization.

And did anyone hear about Samsung's octo core?
[Nexus 4 General] Androyed:
Octo core? That sounds like the most useless thing ever. Like a 2610p smartphone screen.
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Didnt expect octo so but I guess anything can happen. Apple will rocking duals that beat the competition so for count is irrelevant. However it's still a shock to see them now. I guess 4k recording/resolution, and the rest are in the works.

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-goes-big-with-8-core-exynos-5-octa-chip-reveal-09264624/
[Nexus 4 General] republicano:
the next galaxy phone or tablet, 8 cores but 4 are low powered and the other is for high performance

www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-co...ght-core-samsung-galaxy-s4-on-horizon-1114243

sounds like an interesting idea
[Nexus 4 General] Androyed:
Yeah, well, obviously it has a reason. But I think we should optimize the software first. Like Apple. I know you can't compare it because there are hundreds of Android phones and only a couple of iPhones, but it feels a bit pointless. Technology advancement is great, but the software can't keep up. We need something to make use of those 4 extra cores. And some advancement is just stupid. Like upping the screen resolution in a <5 inch device. 1080p should be the last step. IMO it was already useless.
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
You say that now, next year all phones will be octocore, and none of them will be smaller than 4.8" screen with 1080p.

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In order to optimize the software, Google would have to port the entire Android OS to something that isn't Java.

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[Nexus 4 General] Androyed:
Oh, I do not doubt that. That doesn't change the fact that it's pointless. We need software to make use of all those cores. Games may do though.

I shouldn't be talking about stuff I have no knowledge of. Forget what I said. My opinion still stands for 1080p screens though.
[Nexus 4 General] resynx:
As long as all these other phones are being announced w/ carrier skins and no direct updates from Google, I don't see any phone 'destroying' the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
My point the gnex is still a great usable phone
[Nexus 4 General] ArclightX:
Yep, +1 to that. Perfectly stated.... afaic anything other than a Nexus device is a legacy device unless some one knows of a carrier phone loaded with v4.2.1

cheers!
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
I understand your sentiment, I am using a single core 1 GHz device to type this. But I think GPU performance for mobile devices are moving fast so it isn't an issue and mobile gaming is growing. 1080p also help with remote desktop. I think the Android market will be saturated eventually and they will have to come up with more interesting functionality or other competition will catch up, despite how popular android is now. There is a sweet spot in term of price performance and size and I think the LG Nexus has it.

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[Nexus 4 General] 215alexdx:
Should I wait for the Nexus 4 to get back in stock or get one of the phones from CES 2013?
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Direct answer to the thread name. No, there will not be a single phone that will DESTROY N4. For the simple reason that no matter what hardware, they will all end up running same sw (apps, games, videos) , and as it stands, there is nothing that can benefit from octacore or whatever more than it does on S4 already. Not for a while.

big.LITTLE is a great concept and I wonder why it hasn't been implemented already in a way (yes, I know a15 is not there yet to take advantage of it). I mean like S4pro. That bastard should really be S4x2 with cpu2/3 kicking in ONLY if sw (demanding game designed to run on 4 cores for example) requests it. It is sort of this way already, but they still kick in if 2 first cores fill up, and often unnecessarily.

Just my 2c

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[Nexus 4 General] iPwn_:
The Exynos 5250 already has an 8W TDP... Samsung throttles the chip to keep it under 4W on the Nexus 4. The Tegra 4 should have a similar TDP, which means it's simply not practical for phones.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I'm sick of the bigger screen is better bs. Honestly 4.7 is already pushing it, I've found 4.5 to be the best compromise between one handed use and nice size. Just finding reaching the notification bar is a bit of a stretch on the N4. Had no issues with my vivid's 4.5 inch display.

But now they are saying the standard size is going to be 5 inch this year. Ugh... Really there are people who love the large screen phones, I get that, but these companies need to offer smaller versions of their flagships too.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Galaxy S3 mini :D

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[Nexus 4 General] lazer155:
Completely agree. 4.7 is the max I would use and I actually prefer smaller, closer to 4.5. Smaller versions of flagships should to be offered.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I was kinda excited when they announced that, disappointed at the specs. Other than that casing, there isn't anything that's very galaxy s3 on it. Internals are closer to a gs2, and the screen, and cameras are more gs1 like. I was pretty happy with my 4 inch Captivate when I had it but now that I've had bigger screens, I think 4.5 is the sweet spot. They should of made a 4.5 inch galaxy s3 spec for spec, that would of been pretty sweet.

Really that's what the market has become. If you want to smaller phone you get downsized specs with it.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
I know, I was joking.

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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I figured as much, just saying the phone was a disappointment.
[Nexus 4 General] cvfl:
I totally understand the CPU performance and SW based discussions, but given that we've already heard several N4s totalled from hard surface impacts < 4 feet, and the Sony Z specs showing it dust/water resistant - am I the only one wondering if my N4s on order are too late to cancel? Full disclosure, I am stuck in a Moto Defy at the moment while I wait...
[Nexus 4 General] yo2boy:
Exynos 5 Octo (High chance this is going in the Galaxy S IV) has 4 Cortex A15 cores and 4 big.LITTLE cores, which is a first. This is the chip to look forward too and the one that will destroy the S4 Pro in the N4.
[Nexus 4 General] dralways:
All this talk and no mention of the 2.5ghz quad core LG Optimus G2? Wtf?

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/01/0...pdragon-s4-prime-processor-and-1080p-display/

Answer to OP's question, no contest. Probably like a $1200 price tag though.
[Nexus 4 General] ptesmoke:
lol that thing better have a friggin 4000mah battery. advanced or not, 2.5ghz is gonna require some effing JUICE
[Nexus 4 General] dralways:
5.5" screen? Better believe it. I'm guessing battery life at very least would keep up with all the current top end phones.

I'm not a phablet fan and would never want a phone worth a cheap car.. couldn't be happier with my N4 all things taken into consideration.
[Nexus 4 General] Q.Entity:
I have everything Sony, except for phones... Now with the new Z, I think that is going to change The N4 will be taking a Dev role...

Skickat från min Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
There are phones that are better than the nexus 4, but none destroyed it. Only main difference between those phones (zte grand s, sony xperia z,etc) is the 1080p screen, bugger screen, micro SD slot, and more megapixels (so maybe better camera). Otherwise it was the same 2gb ram, s4 processor, and etc.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
Msm8974(s4 prime) should come with Optimus G 2 clocked between 2-2.5 ghz and adreno 330 would also be there with at least 50 %(upto100%)better performance than adreno 320

But I wonder how much battery would it suck ?!

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I think they gotta use something like big.LITTLE like Samsung did for exynos 5450

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I hope the phone which has big. LITTLE (probably galaxy s4 first) won't throttle as they would already have 1 quad core for battery savings
[Nexus 4 General] clockcycle:
Nope, not even samsung s4. I think they will show the next batch at the up coming show.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
And a dry ice intercooler.
[Nexus 4 General] dpaul007:
Total agreement with you. I loved the size of my Galaxy S phone. 4" was perfect for me. (That's what she said) I must have small, girly hands.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Well did they announce anything that I could actually buy some day?

Launch was two months and N4 can't be ordered. Fail.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Usually you don't throttle to save battery, you throttle because you are running too hot. And most probably you will be running too hot, since if someone comes and offloads huge pile of work (some benchmark or game), then the chip will have no choice other than to crank up that "big". Which in turn will produce lots of heat. Exactly the same way as current chips do.

In a nutshell it is not very different from what Tegra3 does. The details and marketing fluff seem to be a bit different, but the essence is the same: "battery saver core" or "LITTLE" is active when where is not much to do and roll the heavy machinery out of the garage when there is a bunch of "real stuff" (tm) to take care of.

I think the whole concept is primary more important to the engineers themselves than to the end-users. Now they can just forget about headaches of implementing low clock/low power modes in the "big" part. They can now simply do more like "all on" <-> "all off" and not much in between. So the whole thing gets simpler and cheaper to develop.

Which in turn means, the devices will probably get slightly better idle times, like last not for 3 but 5 days if left unused.

But if stressed to the max, they will behave exactly the same as such quad A15 core would normally do (performance/heat).
[Nexus 4 General] redeuxx:
Do what people are saying is that some new phones will have better specs than older phones? Oh hell! I might as well throw away my phone as soon as something with better specs comes out, because obviously it's worthless when a newer phone comes out.

Seriously though, this all sounds like the PC scene in the 90s and 00s.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
First of all, small hands don't mean girly. Not picking on you, just this stereotypical small = girly conception.

This is the exact mentality that plagued so many USA men: big everything means masculine. I have yet to see a group of male THAT worried about their masculinity.

People comes with different sizes and shapes. Being a guy doesn't mean you have to be big in everything. Being a girl doesn't mean you have to be small in everything.

And this is exactly why manufacturers pushing for bigger and bigger screen.

For me, 4~4.5 inches are perfect. I don't see the purpose of going to 5 inches.

I certainly don't want to look as ridiculous as this:
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Lol. ^^

Spoken like a person with with small hands.

5 inch screen would be fine....

But I'm 6'4 and can reach a tenth so even a note feels ok.

My nexus 4 and old one x feel normal now.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I have pretty big hands, and everyone has to remember the original Galaxy S was considered a big phone in 2010. Only android phone that was bigger was the Evo, and 4.3 was considered the general "big screen phone" size.

To be fair I like 4.5 even better, and I'm getting used to 4.7 but they are getting carried away on screen sizes now. 5 inches and up is just ridiculous. I have a nexus 7 for when I need a bigger screen, I don't need my phone to be 7 inches too!
[Nexus 4 General] jackierobinson:
I can't believe some people are talking about upgrading from the Nexus 4. Is anyone really doing anything on these phones that requires that much power? My Nexus 4 is silky smooth. I can't imagine a phone being any smoother. It's not a PS Vita, but why would I need it to be. Some company is always releasing a more powerful phone, on paper anyway.

Trying to always have the most powerful phone is only going to make them rich and happy and you poor a miserable.
[Nexus 4 General] galaxys:
All the AVN girls were hanging out at the XDA booth today. They were bored with CES's new devices and prefered XDA members with Nexus 4's! :D
[Nexus 4 General] Toaster Strudels:
Guys MWC (Mobile World Congress) in February is where phones are gonna be announced like crazzyyyyyyyy.
[Nexus 4 General] jackierobinson:
Let's play spot the transvestite.
[Nexus 4 General] qwahchees:
Those Tegra 4/Snapdragon 800's will rip our phones into pieces :(
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
So what? The nexus 4 is still fast and the S4 Pro is still going to be used for at least the next 6 months. Technology only gets better and better. There's no reason to have any sort of buyers remorse. I love my N4 despite knowing about qualcomm, Nvidia, and Samsung's latest processors. I'm not bummed about it. I'm plenty excited. I'll be purchasing an S4 when it drops and getting the next Nexus device as well. Also Qualcomm already stated that you won't see the snapdragon 800 in a smartphone until Q4.

This is really first world problems at its finest if you already have feelings of regret over getting this phone because of what was announced at CES.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I don't really get why they got a nexus if they just wanna get the most powerful phone anyway. I mean for me I got sick of the bs. I had a Vivid before that I upgraded to in march, it got ICS 4.03, was buggy as hell, looked more like gingerbread, and development was blah on it. And playing with other flagships just made me realize I wasn't going to be happy with any carrier phone.

Locked bootloaders are becoming the norm now and there's just too many phones for developers to keep up with, and none of the custom roms ever seem perfect there's always some catch. Now I got a phone that I can be completely content with and never even root as it should be!
[Nexus 4 General] resynx:
Not even close. On paper, yes. But in real world performance, no. Stock Android, direct updates from Google > skins, delayed update, bloat. That's why when the Sensation / GS II were released, many people and reviewers said they still preferred the Nexus S for smoothness. Same when the One X and GS III were released, many people were switching back to the Galaxy Nexus. Having the latest updates and vanilla software far outweighs having those bump in specs (imo) at this point when our phones are already so powerful, because vanilla will always be smoother.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
I kind of agree but was the icecream sandwich to jellybean update really that mind altering?

No. Not really.

Updates are not everything it seems these days. Only here at xda.

With a better low light camera, bigger expendable memory, longer lasting battery and nicer screen on offer with the xperia z, it fills some of the gaps Google and LG left out with the n4.

Sony is now using de bloated,almost vanilla software.
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
um what? the difference in aesthetics between ics and jb are negligible but the performance difference between the two are definitely more than noticeable. I would much rather be on JB. Also JB wasn't a full 1.x upgrade. it was a .x upgrade so you shouldn't expect a major overhaul if that's what you were looking for.

The Xperia Z is newer so of course the specs are going to be a little better but it isn't blowing away the competition. Only thing it has that I would care for is a 1080p display. And how do you know the battery life is better? The phone is not out and the only reason it has no bloat is because it isn't on a carrier yet. IMO there is no reason to be jealous of this device over an N4. If you're going to envy any device be envious of the S4, especially if it comes out with Samsung's octa processor.
[Nexus 4 General] resynx:
The performance boost from ICS to JB was like day and night. Even if their skin seems less bloated and lighter now, it's still a skin nonetheless. Nothing out there is filling in the gaps for vanilla Android and direct updates for me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down all the new phones coming out. I'm just stating why nothing is 'destroying' the Nexus. For me, I'll forgo the updated features for the pure Google experience. That's why I purchased a Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] James.UBC:
you do know that the sensor in the nexus 4 is a sony as is the one in the s3, one x and iphone 5...

the one for the z is different though, instead of the regular pentile layout (rgbg), we ahve a rgbw layout along with a new architecture which translates to better hdr pics and live hdr videos.

Also, sony has excellent development support with publicly available source for all their recent devices and boot-loader unlock tools that work for all but a few american carriers.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Exactly what I meant mate.

Ics - Jb on my one x was hardly noticeable in day to day use.

Jb 4.2 on xperia z for a years use will do me if it lives up to the hype.

I still like the n4, just too many small annoyances to keep. I knew about the storage, but thought I could manage it. Too much of a pita.

I am a builder and need a decent camera as my eos 60 isn't always on hand. N4 camera is a letdown for me anyway. Maybe its my phone but, my OneX camera is unfortunately better.

Despite what some people say, it feels a bit cheap(buttons as an example).

Not bad for a $400 phone but id prefer paying $600 for premium.

Btw. I've never owned a Sony phone.

N1

Nexus S

Galaxy series.

One x.

Just think Sony have nailed it this time.
[Nexus 4 General] jutezak:
After A8 and A9, ARM is delivering the A15 core with even higher performance - but also higher power.

So they made a small A7 core, which is totally compatible to form a big.LITTLE combo with the A15. ARM claims the A7 is the most power efficient yet.

And the Chinese... they bring out SOCs with just four A7 cores. Which should perform at higher than A8 level I suppose because the clock is higher, but more power efficient than anything before.

Maybe 4 x A7 may be a good choice: fast enough (but not Krait level) but a better battery life.
[Nexus 4 General] neotekz:
There's no phone that i want over the N4 at CES but the Yota makes me wish there was more than just sparkles on the back.
[Nexus 4 General] rec71:
The Xperia Z looks pretty good. Bigger screen, better camera, micro SD slot, waterproof, thinner, etc. I think it's a better device than the N4 and looks much more stylish but it's also going to be around £250 more expensive so, you know ... swings and roundabouts. Is it worth an extra £250? Probably not.

What is interesting about the Z is that Sony are making a big deal about how light their Android additions and how easy it will be to update than previous Sony devices. As a former owner of a Sony-Ericsson device I'll believe it when I see it but it's interesting nonetheless. And Sony have been pretty good to the dev community in the last few years which is always something worth supporting.
[Nexus 4 General] biffsmash:
After years of sub standard products, from a once leading entertainment and media company, I will never, ever touch a sony device again.

Ps3, Cameras, phones, all sub standard and super over priced. Exmor R cameras? Give me a break.
[Nexus 4 General] mk92595:
What's wrong with the ps3?
[Nexus 4 General] rec71:
Over-priced is probably accurate but I think their build quality has improved in the last 12 months. My wife's Xperia S is rock solid unlike my old cheap plastic arc S with its creaky battery cover and spontaneous housing cracks. And though their Exmor cameras are a bit overrated the camera on my 2011 arc S took a better picture than the one on my Nexus 4, especially in low light. The Nexus 4 camera isn't going to win any prizes, that's for sure.

I think the Xperia Z looks a lot better than anything Sony [Ericsson] have ever released.
[Nexus 4 General] mycrownvic02:
I'm not sure what everyone's infatuation with the new Sony device. Personally I don't think the design looks great, as it just looks like a typical rectangle slab. Yes it has an SD card slot, but we all know going into it that the Nexus will never have one. The Xperia does have a nice screen, but that was to be expected considering coming out much later than the Nexus. Don't get me started on the software, personally I think it looks terrible and laggy. I'm not impressed like everyone else seems to be, infact even if this was the same price as the Nexus I wouldn't get it. Sony phones just simply fall short, especially in the software Department.

People continue to say sony has great designs, but I beg to differ. They need to go back to the drawing boards as far as I'm concerned. As for the Dev community, don't even get me started.