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[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
He's only refered to as the 8th by people who think the US film is cannon. :rolleyes: Not by the BBC, not by Moffat, not by the other actors and not even by the actor himself. So he's not the 8th. End of story.

The clues point in the opposite direction, though.

- It said 'Introducing as The Doctor'. NOT The Valeyard. As much as he is an evil twisted version drawn from his own mind, the introduction does not fit. The Valeyard ALWAYS went by The Valeyard. Even the Timelord council did not know who he was until that plottwist. He was never The Doctor.

- The Doctor recognised him. The Doctor has so far ONLY seen the version of the Valeyard we have. So he can't have recognised him as a future version. Remember, we're following his timeline, not that of the universe.

- That book on the Time War.

- The dialogue. This primarily. (Stop reading if you have't seen the ep!!!!)

Doctor (to Clara): The name I chose is the Doctor. The name you choose, it's like a promise you make. He's the one who broke the promise. He is my secret.

John Hurt (Let's just call him that for now.): What I did, I did without choice. In the name of peace and sanity.

Doctor: But not in the name of the Doctor.

- What, exactly, did the Valeyard do 'in the name of peace and sanity?' :rolleyes: He's evil and twisted by nature, he did NOT do something awful as a last resort 'in the name of peace and sanity' because he didn't have a choice.

When the Doctor used the Moment to end the Time War by "killing" everyone, he did so to save the universe.

- So I'll stress it again. HE KNOWS HIM. If it was a future version of the Valeyard, he couldn't have known him.. Again, we follow HIS timeline. What we don't know yet, he doesn't know yet.

- The Valeyard wasn't a secret. Even The Great Intelligence knew. He mentioned him. So it can't be 'His Secret.'. The Great Intelligence did not, however, mention the end of the Time War in his narration of the Doctor's list of crimes. And yet I'd think that double genocide counts higher than the ones mentioned.

- If Clara saw all 11 faces, she also saw The Valeyard. You're forgetting he appeared in the old episodes. The ones we saw her pasted into by effective use of Adobe After Effects.
[Off-topic] benrees21:
Where are you getting your info from? The BBC consider the film canon and also the 8th doctor, they use his image in NuWho all the time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00t8qnw/profiles/the-eighth-doctor

Let's get this straight. The film is canon! Everyone knows it's canon, the BBC, Moffat, Other Actors and the actor himself! I don't know who is giving out all this BS about the film not being canon, it's laughable nonsense!!!

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[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Thats what I thought. Imo it doesnt even make sense why the bbc would allow a film (ok tv movie) likecthat to be made and be like oh it doesnt count.

There is one possibility. .. Moffet does like to troll the whovians from what I hear? ;)

Hmmmmmm.....
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Hm, I hadn't previously seen that website. I generally stay away from such. :) I was going by the fact we A, didn't hear his quotes in the dialogue we've heard as whispers in the last series, and B, the flashbacks and cameos we've seen didn't include him.

How about we leave it at 'we'll wait and see'? Might be the best way to keep the peace. ;)

The film was made well before the BBC launched the new series.

Oh, not just the Whovians... >.<

We had a massive debate on the cliffhanger Moffat left us with at the end of Sherlock series 1 (not here, on IMDB) once. Turned into an all-out war, the way it can only do on IMDB, going to the point where people threw in all kind of nonsense, comparisons, fanfictions (Dafuq :confused:), supposed expertise on how explosives don't blow up from bullets and some very rubbish equations about how you can't outrun an explosion by jumping into water.

Moffat just laughed and slapped us in the face with the biggest anticlimax in the history of television. :laugh:
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There's still new theories being posted here http://oswintheories.tumblr.com/ mainly about this John hurt doctor now, but I feel we don't have anywhere near as much to go on as we did with the clara mystery because this is just based on a few words in the end of the finale... :-/
[Off-topic] pissat4motion:
Just watched the last episode today. I'm thinking there were actually 11 regenerations with the 11th doctor (Smith) being the 10th regeneration of " the doctor " .. the other being a past incarnation that operated outside the name..
[Off-topic] benrees21:
There is no wait and see. The film is canon and although made before the BBC launched the new series, it was licensed by the BBC. It is the BBC's franchise after all. There is a few minisodes that are going to come out just before the 50th starring the 8th doctor. I suppose you have not heard any of the Big Finish audio books with the 8th doctor? All which are licensed by the BBC and are considered canon by the BBC and Moffat. Like I said, all this stuff about the film being non-canon and the 8th doctor not being the 8th is laughable nonsense. The John Hurt doctor is the the doctor who fought the time war. He wiped out two races and now the doctor does not count him as "The Doctor" because he broke the promise of why he picked the name in the first place. That's the reason there have been 12 incarnations but only 11 doctors.

You are also telling me you didn't see the 8th doctor in this scene from NiS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6CJmDJN4QI&feature=youtube_gdata_player Skip to 38 secs.

He was also in TNOTD in a blink and your miss him part.

Come on, keep up people.

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[Off-topic] nishanty13:
I don't think he's the incarnation from time war. The Doctor many a times says that "he" fought in the time war. While John is his secret and not "The Doctor".

But on the other side he said he ( John ) gave up his title in the name of peace and sanity. This make me think he might be from time war.
[Off-topic] benrees21:
He did fight in the time war as the John Hurt doctor. He just doesn't like to call that incarnation "The Doctor" as he broke the promise he made to himself (in that incarnation) when he chose the name "Doctor". So 12 bodies but only 11 he will let be known as "The Doctor".

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[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Could it be possible that this is really the doctors son and not an incarnation?

It could account for a lot.

Just throwing it out there.

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[Off-topic] nishanty13:
It's not possible at all. :eek:

At least give theories which make sense.
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Actually it does make sense and is very possible if nothing else plausible

The doctor HAS to have son or another daughter that lived in the same time frame as him.

So it does make sense and is very possible. I used to be a huge doctor who fan but was (foolishly I admit) turned off by the rebooting of the series. Im not just making this up. :)

The doctor HAS to have son or another daughter that lived in the same time frame as him. I alway theorized it was the master but its never really been brought up much. Actually never. Which is why it would be an interesting theory.

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[Off-topic] nishanty13:
You don't get my point. I agree he has a son/daughter for sure. We know the Doctor HAD a family first. He ran away with his granddaughter.... this is another proof he must have son/daughter. Also AFAIK Susan is still alive somewhere as she left the doctor after a while. She stayed at some planet with some guy ( Now you might know this more as you're from classic era )

What I said that was about "John Hurt" being his son. That's not possible.
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Hmm. Well, I have a lot of theories spinning in my head. I'll blurt out one.

John Hurt might be the 9th Doctor's body. But, a body that the current Doctor does not want to give the name The Doctor to. Now, Time Lords can only regenerate 13 times. I believe that when they try to regenerate into their 13th body, they die. Or when they try to regenerate into their 14th, they die. I don't believe in the regeneration energy being in packets (13 packets in the body). So, the 11th Doctor might be in his 12th body. When he was dying simultaneously, he could've regenerated, hoping it'd help in someway. Like the regeneration energy leaking all across time into his former selves or something. But, he didn't regenerate. Maybe he didn't want to because he knew that his death would come.

Of course, this is one idea of many. Probably incorrect. You have to consider how Time Lords can get extra regenerations from Rassilon and others. Like the Master did.

Also, after all this talk about John Hurt being his son, you guys are forgetting Jenny! Good old Jenny! David Tennant is actually married to her.

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It is generally accepted that the doctor can regenerate as much as he likes. I believe he got a refill of regeneration energy when river saved him after poisoning him. (in let's kill Hitler, I think)
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As I stated before, I do not believe in the packet theory.

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My post doesn't assume that the packet theory is valid.

And I do not believe in potato famine. Problème?
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No I do not have a problem.

Tbh, I wish they included a Jelly Bean joke in the last episode.

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[Off-topic] delsus:
So you finally got to watch it?

Also it's widely accepted the 13 body rule (13 bodies 12 regenerations) is more a rule of the Time Lords, rather than it being impossible to regenerate more. You can see this in the five doctors, the Time Lords offer the Master a new regeneration cycle (12 more) if he saved the doctors (which he never got) and in Utopia it's indicated the Master received at least one more regeneration in the time war, but it's never told exactly how they accomplish this
[Off-topic] pissat4motion:
Should also acknowledge that River gave the Doctor her own regenerative power ...so while there may be an unspoken rule of 13, the Doctor has at least +8-9 to whatever number he has left if you consider River regenerated at least twice
[Off-topic] Bowmanspeer:
Hello Whovians!

Stumbled upon this presence so had to pop in. My room mate in the '80's watched Doctor Who. I didn't get it then. I got now though. I know I need to go back and watch the originals too. I just have one question: How can River be dead?
[Off-topic] delsus:
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff happened. Watch Silence in the Library and you will see.
[Off-topic] Bowmanspeer:
And where am I supposed to be able to see that right now? :laugh: Maybe its on youtube? (It is)

Edit: Oh! you must be referring to Season 4 episode 10--Forest of the dead. Got it!
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Netflix has the new dr who

And a few classics you can stream.

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[Off-topic] delsus:
Google is your friend if you want to watch them :p

That's all I can say, the mods wouldn't like me posting links because of legal implications of the sites.
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The Master got a new cycle because The Doctor persuaded Death to give it.

That's a theory.

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[Off-topic] pissat4motion:
Which part of that would you call theory?
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Probably the part where it hasn't been confirmed in the actual show?

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[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Probably the part where he says th docs got more regens.

Cant dispute River saved him via her regens but whether or not hes got more is debatable. I would say yes otherwise the show will end.

Which as long as the stories and writing are good im ok with that.

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[Off-topic] pissat4motion:
Little is actually "confirmed" in the show.. only implied to varying degrees. But you obviously being the resident authority on all that is Doctor....

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Agreed, but wasn't it heavily implied in the episode where the Doctor and River were married? She did make mention of him using his regen juice on her when she broke her wrist getting free of the chained Angel..
[Off-topic] delsus:
The thing with doctor who is they open one door but close 100 more, River used all of her regenerations to save the doctor but it's not mentioned that he has them, just that he is still alive.
[Off-topic] Archer:
^^ This.

It's never been suggested that she gave him all her regenerations, but it was said very plainly that she used all her own just to save him. Seems clear-cut to me, but it's Who. Who knows?

Also, this was destined for the image thread, but I think it's more suited here...
[Off-topic] delsus:
I would have to say that if I met the doctor :p
[Off-topic] mekakeisei:
I'd want to travel where/when ever dirigibles and steam machinery are in abundance.
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The "refill" part. We don't know if he got more regens. In fact, we don't know if it is packet energy or not. Think back, all the way to the Crucible episode. The Doctor regenerated, but partially. He channeled the energy into his hand but kept some to heal from the Dalek laser blaster thing. We don't understand Time Lord science. We don't know what happened to River's regen energy. Every Time Lord actually has their own regen energy. The Doctor's is the beautiful golden energy. The Master's is white, but with stripes of magnificent colour in it, like a rainbow. Now that sounds really wrong...

Anyway, my point is we can't just assume. We can only add up the knowledge we have available. I have so many theories in my head based on what I have seen, and the information I read on tardis.wikia.com. I think that is the address. And you know what? Most of my theories are equally possible. And the same goes for everyone else.

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[Off-topic] pissat4motion:
.. and then you can't believe what the Doctor says .. the lying SOB. .lol.
[Off-topic] delsus:
Ahh can't forget rule 1 ;)
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And rule 34
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Welcome to Tumblr... Which is basically Fanfiction.net with pictures. :eek:
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Wot

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[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Has any one here read the books or comics??

I used to have a couple books and a stack of my dads dr who comics.

Something I didnt know but apparentlybthey are considered canon.

This true!?

What say you whovians?

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[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
I've read a few of the newer books, as well as the comics. (Still have to catch up on the last 5, but I have about 32GB worth of comics to work through xD). Most aren't bad.
[Off-topic] jugg1es:
BBC has just announced that Matt Smiths time as the doctor is up, speculations on the next doctor. Anyone?

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[Off-topic] zombicidal maniac:
Isn't Matt Smith going through 2014? Are they saying after that they're planning getting a new Doctor for 2015?
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
Mantra of doctor who:

"Make em fall in love with the doctor....then dash all their hopes to hell"

:p

Well any whovian knows this is the way it is with the doctor and most things in life.

Nothing lasts forever even though we may want it too at times

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[Off-topic] delsus:
Or make the Doctor fall in love with his companions then kill them off :)
[Off-topic] benrees21:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLs53d1CAAAYyKo.jpg:large | Who are you? pic.twitter.com/QrQegn71JH

Stephen Mangan. I hope not.
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Thanks for mentioning this :)

More info: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22741493

TL;DR: he's regenerating in the 2013 Christmas Special
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
Just saw it on the "Coming up" bit on Breakfast. Shame really. :(
[Off-topic] Quinny899:
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[Off-topic] Koizuma:
Holy crap how did I not see this sooner, I'm so subbed!
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
This thread...its like the tardis: bigger on the inside

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[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Well bugger, I was just starting to like Matt Smith....

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[Off-topic] jugg1es:
Doesn't feel like 4 years, does it?

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[Off-topic] delsus:
He did grow on me alot especially series 6 and 7 pt 1 he best have a good passing, I hope related to the Daleks :)
[Off-topic] Oneiros42:
TARDIS wallpapers and lockscreen

I whipped up these wallpapers today and thought I'd share them. Had to shrink them down to half and in jpg form, if you want the 1920x1080 original PNGs you can get them here. I only use three screens, so you can just use a right or left screen as the rear. And these will finally give you the excuse to use the "rotate" transition on your homescreens!

Anyone have any recommendations on what icon sets to use in the blue panels?
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
I was gonna post this in the youtube thread but think this is better off here.

IDK if this is bs or not but the vid is funny.

ENjoy

[YOUTUBE]TBDExfYO1GU[/YOUTUBE]
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
What an 'absolutely fabulous' idea! ;)

Who's seen this?

[YOUTUBE]Do-wDPoC6GM[/YOUTUBE]

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[Off-topic] Quinny899:
I'm going to regenerate the thread with this:
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Did I ever mention November and Juli are way too far apart? >.<
[Off-topic] Cooptx:
Well I have to wait until Netflix gets off its lazy ass and adds it :(
[Off-topic] delsus:
Find the Tardis and get The Doctor to take you :p
[Off-topic] Oneiros42:
Knew I forgot to post this somewhere...

Here's something I've been fiddling with for the last while, not cool or fashionable or anything, just super nerdy because I'm a lifelong Whovian. The static images themselves are nothing, it's when it's in motion that it gets interesting.

http://youtu.be/KDINYupkPJY

Next Launcher 3D

Zooper

Popup Widget

Circle Launcher

King Rollo's "Clock Down" icons

Main launcher used was Next Launcher 3D, and the images of each "side" of the TARDIS were entered into Multipicture Live Wallpaper, with the "outer 3d cube" transition options applied to both. All text was made with Zooper. The popup lines of applications were done using Circle Launcher's "vertical line" option, and the row of switches were made with Popup Widget.

I must have tried every launcher there is, but I needed one that didn't demand a grid layout and one that worked well with Multipicture, which is the only app I could find that would give me discrete sides. Anyway, I'm sure someone will come up with different setups to get the same result, but this is what I used and until my ADHD kicks in again it's what I've got.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Yoho yoho... :D

I watch it directly on the Beeb, but if I have to wait until it finally becomes available on Dutch TV it'll be Q4 2014... :eek:

Can I make it november somewhere in a distant future, then? :p I'll just download all the episodes I missed when I get there :p
[Off-topic] delsus:
I hear the Tardis will be at Heathrow from tomorrow (if you can avoid the Daleks and Cybermen)
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Aww, bugger. I'm in Berlin. Can't make it to Hearthow tomorrow... :(
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
There go my plans for bypassing some very irritating telly-related seasonal pauses.. Bah, need a new plan!
[Off-topic] Cooptx:
You could always make some cropcircles...
[Off-topic] Oneiros42:
And because I was jealous of this boot animation, I decided to learn some video editing and make my own rendition.

http://youtu.be/yrfR0kReQ6E
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
That's not very original, though.... Besides, they just harvested all the crops. :(
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Exterminate!

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[Off-topic] Tokynet:
I liked Tennant but I do prefer Matt over Tennant, actually I prefer Christopher Eccleston over Tennant too. I am looking forward to the regeneration of Matt (hopefully is not as pitiful/dramatic as Tennant's) and to see who the new Doctor will be.

Post a screen-shot of your cell/desktop if you have DrWho theme.

I will post one in a bit, i'm in the middle of flashing the cell.
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I miss Tennant's sort of seriousness.

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[Off-topic] Cooptx:
Tennant was the best.
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Arguable.

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[Off-topic] delsus:
Vote Saxon
[Off-topic] delsus:
I watched the last couple of Eps of Torchwood season 1 last night and I saw a vote Saxon poster :p
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I noticed those too in another season!

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[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
They also mention him a few times. :p
[Off-topic] delsus:
Russell T Davis was much better at hiding things around episodes connecting to the season finale than Moffat imo.
[Off-topic] benrees21:
New doctor to be announced Sunday BBC One 7pm.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
I'm not entirely sure I want to know yet... I mean, the surprise is gone that way. :(

Almost certainly has to be someone already famous, though, if they go to the effort of having a live event. They didn't have one for the last two times. (iirc)
[Off-topic] delsus:
It's not the kind of thing you can miss though, after the live event it will be what every whovian is talking about.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
I know, which is why I'll probably watch it. It's a shame, though. I like plottwists... But recently the Beeb has been giving away all the good ones way too early!
[Off-topic] delsus:
Tell me about it, I would just like a regeneration with no announcement of a new Doctor once, super plot twist that would shock everyone when he dies.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Exactly! :highfive: Just for once, main characters dying in a plot twist without us knowing about it half a year earlier! :rolleyes:
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I hope Moffat hasn't done something like make the Doctor a girl. No offense ShadowLea.

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[Off-topic] benrees21:
I think I know who it is and it's cool. Just what I wanted for 12.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
None taken, I fully agree. We had River to take that place, having a female Doctor would simply not fit the franchise.

I'm hoping it's someone at least a little older. Who d'you reckon you think it is?
[Off-topic] Archer:
Peter Capaldi is apparently the bookies' favourite at the minute. I don't see it somehow, and I hope I'm right. He was awesome as The Angel Islington in Neverwhere and I just prefer him as a baddie.
[Off-topic] jugg1es:
I don't know many that know of that series, that's a bit of a blast from the past. And your right, he was awesome as the Angel Islington. Can't see him as the doctor though

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[Off-topic] Archer:
I just hope we're right. Great actor, but not right for the role (I think).

I actually watched Neverwhere a couple of months back and it stands the test of time. Anyone who's interested should give it a look, regardless of its age. It was still pretty damn good.
[Off-topic] jugg1es:
Have you read the book?

For those that don't know, it was written by Neil Gaiman.

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[Off-topic] Archer:
No, never read the book. I'm not really a reader these days. I'd imagine it's a good book though - there's some awesome characters in it, like Mr Croup and Mr Vandemar. Books are always better.