yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] nitsuj17:
pretty much the whole rom includes venom files mods (short list)

framework.jar

framework-res.apk

android.policy.jar

htcextension.jar

ext.jar

i didnt check systemui.apk, htclockwidget, or any other jars and apks that typically are modded, but they might have venom stuff....really should be on the developer to a) not use someone elses base anyway or b) verify on their own no code remains if doing so
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kijun93:
Maybe he didnt realize that or something.

He used to be a kernel developer. Kinda newbie for roms.

I will tell him about this and i'm pretty sure he's willing to remove them all or use another basis rom.

His rom is base on another rom that contains venom.

I feel sorry for this.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] strose09:
This is like an up hill battle lol. That wasn't a dig at Team Venom by any means. Just sounds like Mr. Chun has to start from scratch almost from an RUU to ensure no tweaks or anything are being used. Can he share how he got the RIL to work in the first place? This could be a team effort and we could certainly get something in the works more easily in my opinion if the developers could work together on this.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kijun93:
Same opinion. But he still want to do it himself.

He said he thinks he removed them all for sure, but maybe he didnt.

Here's what he just told me

I dont think it makes sense there was still contaning Venom sources on the rom, The chinese developer posted that he changed frameworks and apps that he worked (deodex)

It seems like frameworks and apps were changed but maybe just some.

Unless that, Developer wouldnt find out any codes from them.

Thanks for checking.

To make sure, My next rom will have new frameworks and apps that doesnt contain any venom codes. (Deodex by himself)

Also he said, he already took off venom apps from his next rom.

It will be like stock or another tweak.

Anyway he's wondering if venom developer can verify/confirm that his next rom contains any venom codes.

So he wont make mistake for sure. (He will link you the rom.)

I think he's just too elementary developer missing codes delete.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] E.Cadro:
He is not banned from xda. His best course of action would be to build a rom from another source since it appears that he will have a very difficult time removing all the venom code from his current rom that being said if the venom team agrees to look at the rom before being posted then I'm okay with that but that is entirely up to them.

Moderating from my One Xl
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kijun93:
I agree with you. Its their sources. Its up to them.

If they arent comfortable with this, i will ask him for new rom with another base.

Not so sure hes gonna release one ASAP.

Also i dont think hes gonna tell us how he got ril solved.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
its too bad if he doesnt. we all just want to have options for our phone. to have roms that our cell providers/htc wouldn't give us. We already had a great dev fix RIL for aosp we just need sense. if this was a bigger forum id understand because someone else would just say how to do it but our forum is small. we should all just work together
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kijun93:
Good news, He's gonna work on his next rom.

Bad news, He's gonna take some time to release it.

But It will be better than his first one. i've heard the plan sounds pretty good
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] camo_flage:
Any updates?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] BrandonBaskin:
ROM is good

Pretty petty that people care so much about taking credit and being praised. I thought this was about open sharing and great end user experiences. Not bickering over who did what. Lame part about this community, IMO.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] mg2195:
I agree with you...for the most part -IMHO android and its development should be open and shared...if you figure something out then share how you did it (why I always include a how to build in all my previous Roms/ports threads)

However...stealing or using someones work and not giving credit is something I am against...I think that as long as you link and give credit to where you got the item/mod/whatever then you should be able to use it without having to ask permission...I mean isn't the whole philosophy of behind the android OS about being free and open for all to do with it as they please??

Basically...I feel as long as credit is given there should be no issue...but obviously other people feel very different about this...

Anyways that's my opinion...you can agree or disagree with it...I don't care, its just an opinion and I don't necessarily go by it as I do have to follow forum rules and respect how other devs feel about "sharing" there work...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] nitsuj17:
people often hide behind the blanket "spirit of open source and sharing" to just take whatever they want from other people and use it as their own for glory/donations/whatever

the truth is this: while base android platform source is open sourced by google, and kernels are required to post source by the gpl, theres nothing "open" about repackaged oem (in this case htc) skin roms (sense).

really its a gray area in modifying and rereleasing htc's closed source product (htc has more or less given its unspoken ok but not doing anything to stop if 4 years in for the most part....or at least given off the impression they dont care enough to stop it) and xda and other forums support it.....however when modifications made by developers/modders are not free and open, unless they decide to make it so

there are many who disagree with this, and feel that anything thats released by any developer should be public domain...and honestly? if all the developers who released stuff were able to improve upon and advance things that would probably be more or less the case

but the average "developer" or individual who releases stuff on xda does nothing original and just takes takes takes from others w/o giving anything back

disagree/agree with that, fine...but thats my .02
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] poondog:
Hello.

I am siding with Team Venom on all this.

If you have a look at AOKP, with their open sourced tweaks, and CM, you will see that they hardly have any credit for their original work because people just cherry pick their mods in their own ROMs. More than half the ROMs in the Nexus sections are kangs/cherry picks of CM and AOKP features, released under a new name. The teams put countless hours into developing tweaks, in both the framework and the apps. Then someone comes along and cherry picks it, releases it and gets thanks for their "hard work", possibly even get a donation. In this particular case, AOKP/CM get nothing but a few words in the OP under "thanks to"

Now let's imagine that Team Venom open sourced/let everyone use their tweaks and stuff. Soon 80% of sense ROMs would have the tweaks, and Viper ROMs would lose one of their selling points. This was already the case with cored**** suite tools, where everyone was allowed to use *team Venom's code* in their ROMs. Every ROM would be the same, the only thing that could set ROMs apart if the tweaks were available to use would be other things like optimisations and speed.

Bottom line is, that this is the work of Team Venom. The team have spent countless hours of their free time developing these tweaks to give their ROM an edge, and to make the users happy. It is not *right* that someone can just come in and kang their work, offering a small sentence in the OP as a thanks for their time making the tweaks that anyone could use.

Like it or not, XDA is becoming competitive. Any winzip modder has the potential to port a Venom ROM and release it under their name, with a few lines of code changed. I wouldn't call something like that development. Team Venom have the right to keep what is theirs.

Well that's my 2 cents too. Peace.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] mg2195:
Well...I couldn't agree with that last part more! Too many people do little things and call themself a developer. In my eyes, unless you can create the mods/tweaks from scratch then you are not a developer. You need skill and a real understanding of coding and how it applys to android roms and or kernels to earn the title of a developer.

Everyone else is just a modder at best...

That's another .02 from me LOL

-I kinda like this, everyone.is voicing there opinions...but no one is being rude or totally bashing another's -good job community :thumbup: however...I feel we may be going off topic here (I contributing the most to the off topicness with two posts) I say if we want to further discuss this someone makes a new thread...title it something like "your opinion on sharing work" or something else along those lines -but something tells me most of the people have already voiced there opinions here (of those that would)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] shoalinagent:
The last 4 posts should be front page on Xda, I learned some things here I wasn't already aware of, although I have seen the ocassional 'dev' simply rename a cm or aokp Rom and reap the thanks and donations. More people should become aware of this and why its important to honour the real devs. As a user, I think I speak for most when I say we just want the best possible experience on our devices and sharing is the best way. But I also see the flipside in that, once again the scammers ruin everything for everyone.

Sent from my HTC Velocity 4G
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] poondog:
This is good :)

But, it's exactly on topic. This is the reason why a lot of your rom threads have been closed. Team venom tweaks are exclusive to venom ROMs

A few ROMs have popped up on unsupported devices, but have been shut down because of this. Which is the reason why the rom in your dev thread is gone

Yes. Nt many people know what's going on, hence why they're thanked and donated to from their "hard work"

In could give you a list of names of ROMs but that would get me into trouble :P
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] camo_flage:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

Since chun fixed the ril issue does that mean the we could port upcoming versions of sense with ril working?

Sent from my PACMAN HTC Raider on the Rogers Wireless Network
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rignfool:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

Let's stop talking about this and watch the development section...

I'm sure he'll post it when its done...

And sense blows
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] htcvividnoob:
Sense blows is an opinion. I personally like Sense hence I got an HTC device, otherwise it would have made more sense to get a different phone. Most of you will say iPhones blow, and most iPhone users will say Androids blow. It's all personal preference in the end.

In my opinion Team Venom should be happy that people are porting their roms to other phones. It increases their user base and more people become aware of their work. If it were a device on which they develop or which they have plans to develop in the near future, then yes they should have exclusivity so there aren't a bunch of roms based off of theirs available for a particular device. But in all likelihood they will never develop for our phone, so it actually benefits them that someone else is doing the work to port it over.

I agree a developer should have his work removed if it takes say Team Venom's rom and claims it is as 100% his work. But if the developer makes it clear as to what they did to improve upon the rom versus what is the original teams work then I feel like we should be striving to reach that point, since that type of sharing sounds more community-like. I don't know, it's just a huge pity to see a community like this so fragmented.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rignfool:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

All I have to say is...

They wrote it... its their choice... stop complaining and wait for 24ky...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] camo_flage:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

The wait is killing me!

Sent from my PACMAN HTC Raider on the Rogers Wireless Network
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] mg2195:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

That is unknown...we don't know how chun fixed ril, and we don't know what future sense versions will be like
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
ill say it again why won't chun share with us how he fixed RIL????? lol :confused::eek:
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] camo_flage:
I thought he did? Maybye he will share it once the Rom is released :confused: I appreciate his hard work getting ril working but if you find a breakthrough in development like fixing the ril you should share it for the betterment of the community.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
if that was the case we would have new ROMs in the dev forum. I would have ported one. He doesn't want to share only said he will post his ROM here when it is done

---------- Post added at 03:30 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:21 AM ----------

we can port this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1999915&highlight=use+port+my+rom as long as we remove what they ask and ask them in a message. we can just replace the things with the stock apks maybe?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] nitsuj17:
whether or not we ever support the device isnt the point....we've posted the requirements for adding device support here: http://venomroms.com/forums/content.php?149-Requesting-New-Device-Support-Porting-Permission

and one of our team members is potentially porting viperRom to this phone...no theres no eta or any more info than that

it doesnt benefit us for random ports to appear of our roms and mods that are half broken or not fully functional....no matter how clearly it would be stated its not an official rom, the average response would still be "ugh that venom rom is awful, they dont know what theyre doing"

as for improving upon what we already have, we are not against other developers joining up with our team and working on stuff...but they have to do it under the team banner, not their own (again see the link i posted)

people have differences of opinion on sharing and the like, and thats fine....but we've made our position pretty clear imo
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] mg2195:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

I always say, everyone is entitled to there own opinion...and everyone's needs to be respected

Team venom has already clearly stated multiple times that they don't want there roms ported...let's respect that and stop talking about it...unless someone wants to join up with them, talking isn't gonna help our cause in this case
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Tradie:
I don't even remember seeing a sense 4.1 rom with a working RIL posted here. I must have missed it.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] htcvividnoob:
It hadn't occurred to me about ports not working and that bringing down your name, thank you for pointing that out to me. I can completely see how some users would not actually take that consideration into their responses making the base look bad. Apologies
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] l0000l:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

i don't clearly found what is problem.

if venom tweaks is problem. we can delete from rom (venom tweaks, venom hub)

if whole of rom is problem we can port other sense 4.1 with this ril files in rom. because ril problem solved in rom and we can use diffrent kernel ( i use kangbang)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] strose09:
Hi I0000I, It's not that simple. The venom tweaks are integrated in the framework somehow so it would be difficult to remove them. As you suggested we would have to port another sense 4.1 rom (preferably an RUU) so we don't get in trouble with kanging again.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

Well chun won't tell us which file contains the ril hack that's why we haven't been able to port yet
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] l0000l:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1908008

i use above noobies port for (honest & Darksense htc sensation)

and delete remained venom tweaks that i can see in folders. it's work for me even Ril

*. only use framework.jar from honest instead dark sense. (i search on internet and think Ril files is in framework)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

I knew it was framework.jar from my research but haven't got the right files switched. Remember you gotta remove the venom build.prop entries as well. I'd like to take a look at it I might try this later on today myself
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] nitsuj17:
And any and every tweak call in android policy, framework, services, extension and so on if using a viper ROM for some reason
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
well if he only used the framework.jar it should be fine then right?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] skylinegtrvspec:
Two things i like to talk about

one is any luck on this zero

two last rom leaked on the vivd that was a 4.1 llooks like it had a nice present

you all know atts cap is 5 gigs on lte am i right, well for some reason my lte on the last rom i was able to go beyond even with beinged capped still reaching high speeds i wen as far as 3 gigs over my cap with out being throttled down

If i switched back to my inspire running stock i get throttled down then i switch back to my vivid and fast speeds
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
i got permission to use darksense version 1.0.0 to port :p now where is l000l?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] l0000l:
:good::D

i think you are knowledge in port Roms (like miui)

i use this basic method http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1908008 for port and all of things even usb storage work for me.

after use this u can Remove venom stuff you can see in Roms

sorry i can't upload because i'm in IRAN and internet speed is very low.

i'm working on USB OTG on sense rom. found a way and worked but my only problem is compiling kernel after that wifi don't work :(

tested Mouse,Keyboard,Flash,1TB Hard Drive, Joystick with usb hub and all work
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

I have to see if I removed it all right will get back to you later
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
When you guys finish your porting the darksense will you post or just for personal use ? I will would like to know I wannna try porting myself too but i have no knowledge yet am gonna read a little
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
idk yet. they will give us a hard time with our ports and want not 1 thing left in them. so idk we will see what happens. all I have to do is make sure there are no venom tweak calls in framework.jar and it should be fine. still have to test and see if it boots up tho haha i wish someone could test it for me (no not just anyone i mean someone who would know where to look for the tweaks)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
Ok well wish me luck i just finish porting the darksense rom using the holic as base i will post back
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jaxboater:
I have a spare Vivid if you need a tester.

I don't want to brick anything but do have a spare, just in case.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] zombie.raised:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

If you have permission to use dark sense why are you concerned with venom tweaks? I would use holds as base and see if that works
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] zombie.raised:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

You would still need the kpanel from somewhere else though ...with it boots up but keeps looping
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
because the only base that works is the hacked rom with venom tweaks and you cant just use any sense base for a port please read on porting I have ported miui from the nexus s base before I believe I know what im talking about
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] drumm3rb0y:
im hoping someone puts out a sense 4+ rom soon. everyone seems to be close and im getting anxious. lol
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] JEANRIVERA:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

Did it worked ? Or at least booted?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
ill report later didnt flash yet
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] zombie.raised:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

I tried this and it actually boots if I pick k honest kernel but it boot loops... I tried to dump the log and it was missing relloc**. So

Unfortunately it's my primary device so had to go back regular rom... Might try it again tonight... But I am hopefully devs will get this before I can

Sent from my Nexus 7
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
I flash and it install try to boot up it stuck at HTC screen , back to the drawing board
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

Because your using sense 3.6 to port 4.1 it won't work
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
NO My Base was the sense 4.1
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] zombie.raised:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

So got it to work with sense 4.1 as base, it is not stable but most of the stuff works.

Bad part the 2 main issue with previous 4.1 base are still there.

A2DP does not work for music player back

GPs is not operational or most apps that need location access crash as before.

But I think real devs can really make this rom good, so can't wait to see for someone to release one....
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
Thats good man, I think the rel DEV they are more focus on CM - senseless roms but honestly i bought HTC because i love sense so you see i really

want a sense 4.1 or 4+
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

The GPS can be fix by adding the GPS files from one of our sense roms
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Jaxellis:
looks like wildchild has a Working Sense4.1 Build Though not released to the public... yet
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] camo_flage:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

Since wild child has his own build what is going to happen to chuns build

Sent from my PACMAN HTC Raider on the Rogers Wireless Network
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] strose09:
I think it should be noted Wildchild's build is Sense 4.1 with ICS.

Chun's build is Sense 4.1 with Jellybean.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ZeRo2o9:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

No chuns was ics too. And I hate to say it but xda won't have a sense 4 Rom chun isn't going to release it from what it looks like the guy won't even help us and you know Wcx won't be here either
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Jaxellis:
All sense 4.1 builds are ICS ... Sense 4+ though is JB

Why is chun going to release it here? too many problems im guessing?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] camo_flage:
Re: about the rom with sense 4.1 which leaked and modified illegally

I'm just gonna wait for the wcx build

Sent from my HOLICS HTC Raider on the Rogers Wireless Network
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Ldbrown01:
Now if you are going to close threads because the rom is not on XDA why is this thread still open??
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] hovadrive:
Why is it so heated here on XDA and its mostly on the vivid threads ' I have visit so many other threads and they talk about just about anything . Now I know there are rules that we should follow but oh man don't you see we begging for a good proper high end sense Ron that why we talk yeah we appreciate CMs and senseless but truly we all desire sense that's why we bought HTC . Mr. moderator help us in our discussion not saying we to kang anyone ROMs but talk to us instead of just shut us down ' that's all am saying . I hope am not out of my place