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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] justaguy705:
Thanks for the link FineTalent. :good:

I do think it is rather unfortunate that documentation is as scarce as it is. I am aware that the pace of development hinders efforts at a comprehensive approach to making specific information available to users.

Maybe I am just finding the learning curve a bit steep when entering the "community" at a point where to get "caught-up" requires going "back" and picking up the pieces to be able to understand what's going on in the present - if that makes any sense. I guess it is safe to say that it is similar to

getting a handle on a which linux distro to choose with so many available.

If you are familiar with the linux resource Distrowatch, I was hoping that there existed something similar for android development, though device specific. I 'll have to make the time to get educated, I'm certain the effort will be well worth it in the long run.

As always, you've been a terrific source of information for me - with the weather "brisk" in northern ON this morning (-23C) it gives me these excuse to hang at my computer and get my "learning-on." :cool:
[Fuhu Nabi 2] arvati:
This Root External 2 Internal SD (How-to for Nabi 2 by e2950) works great with my Nabi2. But does not work on boot. Does anybody knows why?
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
I tried and tried myself too and never got it to work at boot or really even swap over the storage in any usable way. I have since given up on that.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] ALD3:
I finally got it to work at boot and looked like everything was ok. Watched as I added apps and such, seemed that 80% of everything still installed to original Internal storage. Only real change was anything I downloaded went straight on micro sdcard. I also gave up.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Despite me using the external2internal app and it LOOKING like it was all swapped in the settings under data, the apps still all seem to go on the original tiny internal sd card and also when you use settings to look at installed apps, the free space it quotes tallies with the internal card, not the swapped-large-external card.

I can only assume something has gone a bit wrong in the settings of the app.

I dont understand how the nabi2 settings sees huge space under "storage" but tiny space under "apps" its as if the external2internal app has only swapped the two cards for "some" of the nabi's setup/brain

Any ideas please?
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
I was never able to get Ext2Int working properly so I abandoned that route.

Something that does work for me is [APP][ROOT] FolderMount - Link folders from internal SD to external to free space. It doesn't swap the internal for external outright, but does allow you to move specific data hogs to sdcard2. I still need to do a little walk through on it. . .

FM can move files from the original location to the destination of your choice if the files don't require root permissions. If they do, you have to move the files using a root file explorer of your choice.

FM will not work for moving apps due to its inherent time delay before actually changing the link to the new location. It's 30 seconds to 3 minutes after boot.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Thanks very much, Im not sure if that would work for me as most of my little boys apps are pretty small in size, most around the 20mb mark, with a few being 100mb so its not the big games or datahogs thats a problem, its the sheer weight of numbers of how many of these small apps he has installed.

So Im not sure if FM would actually be able to move any of his apps over to the external and actually work.

Even though he has so many apps, selective removing isnt a solution as he remembers them all. He is autistic trust me he remembers them hehe :)

Thanks and all help is appreciated.

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
DiskUsage is a good app to visually find large data stores. On my phone, I found Amazon caching all of the apps it had downloaded but I cancelled the installation on, over 1.5 GB! I don't use Amazon the same way on the Nabi though.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] imaeema:
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nice..
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Thanks I had a look at diskusage but honestly I am so noobish that I couldnt quite tell exactly what it was explaining to me.

Looking on things like data or apps there were things listed that almost seemed twice and also some noted as apk's and I wasnt sure if this was the game itself, of if it was the apk file that installed the game and the tablet is storing the apk's as well as the installed games.

As a beginer at this kind of thing, its quite hard to get your head around it all.

And we have now officially run out of space and trying to magane through as best we can.

Thanks for the suggestion

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
The actual APKs, not good to move with FolderMount. But, if there's a bit of data in /data/data, /data/obb, /android, FolderMount can move that to your external storage, freeing space for more apps. At least you looked into it. My son has a couple apps that take 100s of MBs of data. That makes freeing space easy.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Thanks Ill have a look at that data aspect when I can next get the tablet off of him, Thanks I appreciate the advice.

Dont think Ive seen the obb folder...

When I plug the nabi into the PC lead and it pops up like an SD drive on my PC, there does seem to be a lot of folders that people mention that I dont seem to be able to see. Possibly like a kind of hidden folder? Also the size of the SD looked at through the PC always shows as much smaller than it is.

So Im really thinking that there is a chunk of the internal-sd card, or internal memory, that is hidden from the basic pc cable connection. Is that right and if-so how am I able to see that area to be able to back it up and/or be able to mess with it?

Thanks :)

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] ALD3:
I don't have a Nabi 2 anymore but have any of you used the app Link2sd? I've been using it on another 4 gig device and works really well. You have not split your micro sdcard into 2 partitions. Link2sd uses the second partition and you use the first as your micro sdcard. When you click Link app to SD, it moves it, then open app and see if it runs OK. If not you'll have to click move to SD to put it back so it will work.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
Yes. That and FolderMount are what keep my son's Nabi functional. :cool:

A 2 GB partition was a bit small for me though. For anyone that goes that route and had a large SD (64 GB), give the Link2SD partition at least 3 GB. I had to start over after doing it the first time.

Or, count and calculate the apps you mean to move them add extra space for future expansion. That'd be the smart way :)
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Im really dumb on these things and am terrified of busting my sons nabi (he relies upon it so much now).

So does this move the whole app, or just the data bits of the app? I heard that the bigger apps that are heavy on data move well, but the smaller apps that are mostly just the apk dont always move. Almost all my sons apps are the small kind. So Im not sure if this will still work.

Also, we hardly have anything at all to put on our external sd, we only bought it because we thought we could get apps on it. So is there any reason not to put a huge partition on the sd for the program? Our sd is 32gb, so I guess formats at about 28gb, so I was thinking of having the partition 25gb

Thanks for all the thoughts and help people.

PS: Is foldermount necessary as well? Or can I just try this with Link2SD? Im nervous enough about trying to learn one new software but integrating two at the same time concerns me somewhat.

Thanks

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
Some thoughts.

Honestly, from my experience with both, do Link to SD with a respectable partition. Something big enough to grow into, maybe 5 GB. Or, 10 since you say you have a lot of external SD space, but that is surely overkill since the apps data will burst your internal before the apps exceed 10 GB.

That allows you to move the largest apps to the external. Their data will still be on the internal though. That will be your next headache.

I find my FolderMount pairs frequently unpinned and I have to log into Daddy mode and re-enable them. I think that would not be good for you, alexbobspoons. When the FolderMount pairs are not enabled, some of the larger data apps (Mini Motor or My First Trainz Set) will download their data again when my son tries to play them (to internal since the pair is not active). My four year old will tell me now so I can straighten it out. I use FolderMount to move the entire /sdcard/android/data and /sdcard/android/obb folders to the external.

But, like I said, focus on Link to SD and that should free some storage pretty well. I found it a bit more difficult than FolderMount. Also, I am unsure how Link to SD plays into making a nandroid, if it's all copied and restored properly. I haven't really tried that yet.

Update: And again, FolderMount was not linking my pairs this morning. I haven't tried to ask for help on that issue since the Nabi's storage is all funked up by default. FolderMount had an update so I will see if that changes anything. Also of note, I haven't upgraded to the latest Nabi update either.

While I was in there, I checked that I used all 2 GB I alloted for Link to SD (I should have done at least 4 GB) on the external. FolderMount has about 7 GB on the external.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Hi thanks again for the advice.

Am I right in thinking that most apps are composed of just two components, one component being the apk itself (which can be moved to external using link2sd), the other being the data (which can be moved to external using foldermount).

Is this right??

If-so, then IF I am using the disk-usage app correctly, then almost all of my sons apps are in the apk bracket with hardly any usage on the data aspect.

So if this is the case, then I wouldnt much need to use foldermount, and would simply need a huge partition on the external SD to have all the apps (apk's?) moved to. If that is the case, then I dont think I would bust the nabi2's internal memory with the data as theres hardly any of it.

Am I then right in thinking that after moving all the stuff via link2sd that my internal memory would be almost all empty, and all I need to do in future is 1: Buy new app and download, 2:Link2sd the new app, 3:Hand tablet back to son and all done.

Am I understanding it all correctly so-far please?

Thanks

Alex

PS: You mention nandriod.... whats nandroid?? Thanks.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
Yes. apks are the apps. You've got the idea.

A nandroid is a term used for the backup image made while in custom recovery (TWRP on our Nabi 2s). It's like ghosting your PC. If you mess up after, you typically can restore that backup nandroid and make it like nothing ever happened.

I'm guessing the apps moved with Link to SD will not exist when the external SD is ejected. And, not backed up in the nandroid.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Ok thanks for that.

Well I have a spare 32gb sd card so my plan is:

1: Backup the nabi using twerp onto my existing sd card

2: format and prepare new sd card

3: remove ext2sd app in case it conflicts

4: put new sd card into nabi

5: Install link2sd

6: attempt to move apps over onto the external sd and see what happens

hopefully, the internal memory should get nice and empty, while the external memory slowly fills with the other stuff.

Then if it works, I can download all his missing apps and move each one to external sd

Fingers crossed.

Cheers

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] andyhostetler:
Alex,

Were you met with success? I'd like to clear out my daughter's Nabi 2, but I'll go your route if it worked. Also, has anyone found a way to save pictures or videos to the CD card by default?
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Hi There

I havent done it yet :)

Basically, my son relies on his tablet so much with his autism, that the whole process is terrifying to me just in case something goes wrong. Also, I need to be able to do this when I have enough time to carry out the whole process, and download new apps, and still have enough time to restore if it goes wrong.... and with my sons timetable of using his tablet (which isnt easily changable) it means I have very few timescale opportunities to do this.

I really want to get this done and dusted and be able to have his Nabi2 lovelly and big for loads of new apps, but I am having to build up the time and confidence to do it.

When I have done it, I will surely report back here with results (and possibly a cry for help)

Cheers

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Waleslie:
Are you able to do this with the whole data and obb directories at once or as individual pairs for every single app?
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
I do it for /mnt/sdcard/Android/data and send that to the external sdcard2. It also works for /mnt/sdcard/Android/obb.

FolderMount does give me a little trouble. Sometimes the links don't stay active on reboot. But, it's usually after the tablet locks up and won't wake. I have to hold the power button for a hard reboot. I love with it and my son knows to tell me when a game tries to download content, meaning the folder pairs aren't linked. I'll then again move the data and obb folders from sdcard to sdcard2 manually then activate the pairs in FolderMount.

FolderMount will also occasionally think storage points have moved and ask to change them to how it thinks. I feel for that only one and press no now.

So, it's not perfect on my Nabi, but it works well enough.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Phpdna:
I don't know FolderMnt but I suspect it uses links to move the data. While this works to free huge space there is also the native android move-to-sd function. It uses a complete different technology and it also free huge space of the internal memory. I have started a thread because I wonder which is better?
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Hi

Well Ive just tried this with the link2sd and so far excellent.

I started with 1GB of standard apps in the Nabis memory. After deleting some crappy ones and moving others to the SD second partition, I now have 500MB of apps left in the Nabi and all the moved ones appear to work so far. Great.

I now just have to spend some hours downloading individual apps and moving them to sd one at a time, but hpefully once its done thats great.

One note, in link2sd you cant "move" the app as it wont let you, instead you "create link" which links and moves it.

Cheers

Heres hoping the success of this continues as i add more apps and THANK YOU to all people giving aadvice, making programs and making this possible :)

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
Complete and total disaster

Yesterday it went brilliant. I downloaded and installed anout 280 apps all one at a time and it worked genius, I was so happy. Still lots of space on the nabi2 and the external sd card.

But then last night i shut down the mabi2

This morning it will not boot up. Hangs on the swirly nabi symbol and doesnt get any further.

If i shut it off, remove the sd card, and start up again, it boots, but ALL the apps on the sd card are not there, and when opening link2sd there are no pairs indicated at all.

So right now I just dont know what to do, it seems the whole nabi is blanked due to the sd card for some reason. The sd card seemed fine putting aps and testing them yesterday.

So now, I just dont know.

I fear the only option I have is to do a factory restore, then re-root, then start all over again. Which is about 7 hours of installing apps. If I do this, I dont even know if this will not end up in the same position as I am i now again.

Disaster

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Well I have now discovered that the nabi boot perfectly well without the sd but wont with it.

If I run link2sd after booting and inserting sd card, it asks for tablet to be reset in order to mount second partition, but if i do that it hangs.

So something about the second partition is hanging on boot when it tries to mount.

My second partition is PRIMARY and is fat32

I am thtinking of reformatting to ext2 for the secondary

So deflated, took so many hours to install all those apps. I dont even know if there is any way to backup the secondary paartition as well as backup the link2sd linked-pairs

Disaster

---------- Post added at 10:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 AM ----------

Well I have now discovered that the nabi boot perfectly well without the sd but wont with it.

If I run link2sd after booting and inserting sd card, it asks for tablet to be reset in order to mount second partition, but if i do that it hangs.

So something about the second partition is hanging on boot when it tries to mount.

My second partition is PRIMARY and is fat32

I am thtinking of reformatting to ext2 for the secondary

So deflated, took so many hours to install all those apps. I dont even know if there is any way to backup the secondary paartition as well as backup the link2sd linked-pairs

Disaster
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
I had abuot 7GB of apps on there, I wonder if this is too much for the link2sd program?? Or maybe too much to be able to mount that partition on startup, or maybe too many apps for the Nabi2 to be linking all at once on startup.

Dunno

Is nearly 300 apps in total.

Trying again now from scratch with a ext2 secondary partition instead of fat

EDIT:

Its of note that while you are installing apps, the nabi2 still thinks some parts are ging onto the internal card and so the apps amount goes up in the "storage" tab of settings. This isnt data as hardly any of my apps have data and link2sd itself says no data.

If I check the link2sd settings for storage, it shows what i assume is the REAL amount with plenty space free on internal and secondary partition, good stuff.

When I go over the limit on the nabis settings (eg says 4GB total space yet says 4.5GB of apps... and curiously still says 3GB available space on internal) you can still keep installing stuff. I assume the nabi accounts for space without realising that link2sd is putting the apps elsewhere, so its space estimate is wrong.... but could this cause the hangup upon mounting????
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
Sorry to hear about the troubles. I only did 2 GB ext2 I recall. I was thinking of increasing it to 5 GB but haven't done that yet.

Once you installed the app/s you then went into Link2SD and moved them, right? I'm sure you did s that's the only way you could have used 7 GB.

Annoyingly, the Nabi still goes unresponsive after a couple days on and I have to hold the power button to get it off and get it to wake back up. That's after a factory reset even.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] alexbobspoons:
It wont let you actually "move" the apps using its move setting, but it does let you "link to sd" the apps, which includes moving the apps at the same time. I have it set to do all that on its automatic.

It seems to install everything perfectly fine and everything runs... Its just when doing a shutdown and restart on the nabi that it wont come back on again.

Ive just spent all afternoon re-downloading all the apps and it all worked perfectly. I shut it down, and started back up to check, and its hanging again.

Damn!

So is it that link2sd or the nabi just cannot cope with this amount of stuff (apps) moved to the sd, or is it that it takes ages to boot up if its having to mount a secondary partition filled with 300 apps worth of links.

I just dont know anymore.

Thanks for replying I appreciate it. At the moment my plans to solve the nabi's storage problem see to have bust and I dont know what to do.

EDIT

BREAKING NEWS:

It seems that if you wait ages (and I do mean ages) the nabi DOES actually boot and everything appears ok and looking good... yay!!

The nabi now takes 3 to 4 times as long to boot up from scratch compared to before. Maybe even more than that. If I hadnt been called into the other room just as I was about to shut it down I may not have found out. Have tested it three times now and seems to be the same.

So adding 330 apps (I checked the number this time rather than estimating) at 7GB to the external sd seems to really slow up the boot, but once booted looks ok. I had heard that fat is slower than ext2 which might also explain why yesterdays work took even even longer without booting.

SO HOPEFULLY all is fixed and working, with just a long bootup when first fired up.

Fingers crossed this is the situation and my little boy can now enjoy all his apps at the same time, fingers crossed.

I hope my few posts yesterday and today shed light on the whole situation for others too.

Cheers

Alex
[Fuhu Nabi 2] DarkAngel:
:good:Great to hear on your success.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] andyhostetler:
I'm glad to hear that it worked out. They do say good things come to those who wait. I'll be attempting this some time this semester. Thanks for your hard work.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Waleslie:
A few years ago, prior to the Nabi 2, I had bought some really cheap Polaroid tablets for my kids. It had similar limited memory issues. I tried link2sd (or something very similar) and was setting up lots and lots of links. It did get to a point where it just bogged the whole tablet down and it would freeze up.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Snoshrk:
So after many trials & tribulations getting my son's nabi2 twrp'd and rooted, I installed Link2SD to rectify the asinine storage setup Fuhu inflicted on us.

Seems to have ?worked? I have been able to install more apps than before.

Settings/Storage reports that I have used 5.5GB of 4.5 available space. :eek: So I know L2SD works.

I have also experienced the glacially slow boot that [MENTION=5234816]alexbobspoons[/MENTION] reported.

The issue I am having now is that the Nabi is reporting insufficient space, L2SD storage says I have 500MB free on internal.

Q1: is there an easy way of clearing caches automatically? ie not having to enter daddy mode and use L2SD's cache cleaning...

Q2: I see FolderMount mentioned, will this solve some of the above issues?

Thanks

Sno
[Fuhu Nabi 2] Bait-Fish:
I don't know of any automatic way to clear caches, let alone not in Daddy mode.

FolderMount can certainly help, but I found it not always active (folder links pinned on). After charging overnight my son's Nabi regularly is non responsive and needs a hard reboot. I would then find Folder Mount's folder links not active. I had moved all /sdcard/Android/data and /sdcard/Android/obb to the external. The problem gets compounded if my kid opens an app that had data I moved and it tries to re-download. Then that data goes to the internal without the link on. It gets filled up quick then and I have to hunt down where that data went and hassle it manually. It really wasn't seamless. Note that this was the previous Nabi firmware, 2.05 I recall.

If you decide to try FolderMount, you can also move /sdcard/DCIM.
[Fuhu Nabi 2] scorpiodrummer74:
Nabi 2 Root Android 4.1?

Was wondering if there was a new root that has both Gapps and the Android 4.1 OS. Also, I've rooted a few times and still have the monarch OS and very little disk space. Seems like the TWRP file is huge. Do I nee to perform a wipe before I do the root? Or did I just add too many files due to over-rooting? Thanks