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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anto135:
I don't see why developers spend so much time on things like these when I've seen loads and loads of people stating reasons why it's not possible. I'd love to be able to play ps2 games on my s3 but I can't see it being done anytime soon, I'm just stating m opinion here, no offence to the developer, it's your choice what you spend your time on and don't let anyone tell you otherwise but I'd much rather hear of more people working on a nds or dreamcast emulator as they're more likely to come up with something that actually works and is playable.

Even with me saying that the nds emulators have being worked on for quite a while now and are still so slow.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
NDS4Droid

Not sure if you tried Nds4droid. It is pretty good. I was able to run any of the games I tried on full speed with sound, and fps meter on my HOXL (a bit of overclocking is on my device.)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
Nintendo DS has two ARM cpus built inside, 66mhz for main and another 33mhz for bottom screen.

The 33mhz one is also used for running in gba mode downclock to 14mhz to support gameboy advance cpu.

yeah.. So it basically has the same architecture with our phone but the problem is that android uses a dalvik which screws it all up making it not compatible, you need another recompiler to emulate like the ps1 emulator.

(If we did not run it in dalvik, we basically would have the same architecture, meaning we could just run DS natively with emulating just the small 33mhz one{for single cores})
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GingerBeanSandwich:
I have a ps3 emulator for my Nokia 3210 X

Specs of my nokia:

Android 5.7(Wafer Bar)

NonaCore™ 9GB Ram

320GB Internal Memory

Amoled Screen

Shock and Water Proof

7 days Battery life

:D:D:D:D:D
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
9Gb ram is not enough.

Theoratically, to store recompiler blocks made by that big ass ps3 instructions, youll need at least more than 16gb ram.

Also, you will need at least an intel xeon(server processor)(even five years later) built in your phone to emulate other 8 float processors.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
Funny

Funny:), but in all seriousness... even I would say that emulating a PS3 even at 10fps is impossible at the moment.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wonderdroid87:
Haha nonacore haha:D probable clock 9.51ghz (1) 90mb cache l8 haha lol in the land......
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GingerBeanSandwich:
I wander if Google would make a Android OS for PC and make a survival fight with Windows like what Apple did :):):):)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
Nah they wouldn't

If I were them, I wouldn't. I would invest in the future like they are, and in my opinion the future of computers is moving more towards the use of tablets, kind of like how more and more people are using laptops. In fact I think some companies like apple have most of their business in tablets, and smartphones, and especially with the flexible amoled Samsung is coming up with, the need for a desktop or laptop is becoming less and less, unless you're an EXTREME gamer, because even the newer windows 8 tablets are having nvidia graphics, and i7 processors (razer edge pro), and they I've heard they run portal 2 and Diablo 3. So if I were google, and I realize that we already have the technology to sell a tablet which can run crysis 2, and I know it would be hard to compete with apple and windows in the PC market, it would be much better for me (in my opinion) to thrive more in the area where I dominate (smartphones), and move into the area where I can dominate (tablets), and not fight for less than 1 percent market share in laptops and desktops.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
Update on PS2 emulation

My team is going to release an x86 (for intel atom soc's) by July, and the emulator will be delayed a week or two. There was a delay on the bios file for ARM, so in the meantime, one of the members of my team, and I will be making one for x86 android to prove the concept of a PS2 emulator running on android, and to get an initial start on porting speed hacks, and various modules to android, and because it is much easier to port to x86. I would say it will only be usable on the dual core hyper threaded atoms, so don't try it on something like the droid razr i, do it on something like the k900. Full development phase will start Wednesday or Thursday, depending on how long my nap/crash after finals (could be anywhere from 5-36 hours)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Winson_Wong:
if it is true I would be happy but I agree that it is a fake one.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elevas33:
thanks!

So, the firts release will be only for x86? after your team work in ARM soc

?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
To answer your question

Yeah that is the case. Basically the guy who has the bios is being annoying/lazy, and not giving me the bios file that is compatible with ARM soc's, so in the meantime, it would be a better use of my time to make an x86, so I can get half the work neccessary for the ARM version, such as porting plugins to opengl es 2 and 3, and so I can get a release out in a reasonable time frame, and also it is easier to make an x86 version than an ARM version.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elevas33:
:)

when is x86 version realease ? and ARM soc? tomorrow will released x86 and july the ARM?

sorry my english :P
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
Release Dates

The x86 is coming in July (could be sooner, but I'm saying July as a no later than unless something serious happens) The ARM is August or really early September hopefully, but as I said the BIOS guy is taking forever to just simply give me the bios file. It's compatible with A9, so he just needs to put it on a flash drive, and hand it to me, so I can finish it. I'm hoping to make the bios work with krait, cortex a15, a9 (already is), and a7 (exynos 5250).
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrepimenta:
Can't wait for it. Just imagine all those game on your phone
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jrbbib21:
would also like to see this :) keep up the good work and keep up posted
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
Cancelled

I want to apologize, but I'm afraid the PS2droid project is being postponed, but more likely canceled. After starting to port the gsdx plugin from directx to opengl es, I realized we don't have enough time in the summer to actually make a emulator that works with android. The gsdx plugin is hundreds of files made up of thousands of lines of code. Sadly my team is too small, and inexperienced to actually finish this. If my team were to work on this, it would take us like a year and a half of straight work minimum, and I sadly don't have a year and a half plus to work on this.

So I apologize for the lack of ps2 emulator :(,

boss1019
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IamPro:
Looks like the Vita is best next option then :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dodgebizkit:
Surely someone would take up the challenge? :)

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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
has any body seen nvidia's project shield ces 2013....i am surely gonna buy this console
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haksam:
why ps 1 and 2 games looked so good back then when we were playing it was thanks to CRT interlacing which smoothen out the jaggies and pixels by tricking our eyes

when moving towards non-interlaced LCD screens, console makers kinda realised there needs to be some AA and other 3D smoothening capabilities hence the massive jump in hardware upgrades. the issue now would be those ps 1/2 ROMs that have no code to take advantage of the extra 3d capabilities existing today, though i have seen the epsxe 2 having that capability on the PC

in saying about console emulation, we have certainly come a long way from distinct hardware to a unified system between MS, Sony and AMD desktops soon

i'd bet there would be a working emulator for the PS 4/Xbone out faster than the 360/ps 3

but then again, it would only be useful to run the certain number of exclusives as all other games would be easily available natively between the 3 platforms :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dqhuy1989:
u are crazy
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] felixlong:
unfortunately Google already delete all Game Console Emulator on Play Store.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clapper66:
Phones now are finally powerful enough to ps1 but will not see ps2 for year or we will never have any
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a.affe:
I think they will in the future.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ds1508:
I use PPSSPP (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ppsspp.ppsspp).

It works good on my Note II.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OMDP:
lol even the most the most powerful android flagship like htc one sgs4 and xperia z cannot run psp emulator properly and you want a ps2 emulator ? well there is dolphin for android too but let alone playing games it barely starts at my xperia z
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sarxes:
O thinks its useless
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ltn_MugleR:
More or less stable emulator exists only for PS one :D:D
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elite83:
Ha, they don't even have a full speed Nintendo DS emulator yet. In what world would there be a perfect PS2 emulator out before a Nintendo DS?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onthebridge:
Let me introduce you the upcoming DraStic for Android ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9jP79VCU8&feature=player_embedded

Highly improbable that ps2 emulator though :D
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stopcallin:
pc ps2 emulators is still developing and now you asking for phone ps2 emulators?:confused:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locklear308:
I don't know if android phones have gotten to that point yet
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakunclear:
It's not the cpu that is the issue, it's the gpu once they get that up to good standard then you will see more things like ps2 and such
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
You obviously dont know how emulators work.:rolleyes:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trozzul:
why is this still going on... thought a mod would lock it down a long time ago.....
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ASMI1:
why you want to play ps2 games on your android phone while there is a lot of awesome games available in the android market:confused:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakunclear:
Needs more jrps but that's why we have psone and ds emulators to bad the ppspp emu lags like a *****
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
psp cannot be emulated well with our current phone hardware. But instead, we run it with software(JIT) and fake the game to think that its running in a psp.

You will have lots of compatibility problems and some major slowdowns when doing that.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locklear308:
Someone needs to work on this. It would be amazing.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UrbanDrawer:
Sooner or later, but not now.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruthlessptizzle:
The ppsspp app works great on gs3 its not the phone its the game your trying to play....I have final fantasy 3 for it and it plays flawlessly u just gotta tweek it a lil
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
Actually, its the phone not the game; If I had a 600mhz phone and I 'tweeked' it a little, your saying I could run a PSP game? On Topic: Ps2 emulation will probably come in 1-2 years... I heard they're going to make 3.0Ghz phones next year
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakunclear:
In my case it would be the game considering I'm using the note2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] detain:
What about the controls? More than the speed id be concerned with how your going to control games not designed for touchscreens but with tactile buttons in mind, and alot more of them than any android has. I know alot of emulators go for touch screen controls but are there any other alternatives that would use the acutal console controllers with an android?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DreadApex:
I lol'd pretty hard right there. xD
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
[MENTION=2734097]CloudSA[/MENTION].. Don't call the devs lazy! Hoow do you they're isn't a emu in progress? And btw.. We don't even have a 3ghz phone/tablet
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] YDrOiD2500:
wow i hope so it will be amazing!!! someone know when???
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DreadApex:
CloudSA obviously had his sarcasm gauge cranked...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muchlist:
i think my hh can't play this emulator ._.

btw have nds emulator on playstore work fine ?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dan Law 001:
Today, we are talking about how powerful our phones and tablets are, how much core do they have, etc, so I do not believe the statement which says that the hardware is not advance enough. PS2: we are talking about a device announced in 1999, the technology of the 90's, old school graphic card and so on. More over, if you don't believe me, compare the simple graphic of Grab Turismo 3 with the realism and complexity of Real Racing 3... Hardware inefficiency, this is not an excuse...

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Console games just can't compare with mobile games, (yet).
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
Someone asked this when PSP games are barely stable on android...?

PS2 is...At least 5+ yrs away...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
LOL, technology from 1999 blablahblah what you say and all that doesnt matter.

PS2s EE already uses 128bit extra instructions for VUs and the core itself(It is ahead of time and its similar method is also used in PS3s CELL).

it also has two pipelines for each one of em that allows to execute two instructions per cycle.

Also those pipelines were designed to never halt, basically meaning: 2x performance.

And heres the reason why it will be impossible to emulate for next 5 years:

First, its gonna take alot of resources to recompile a 128bit custom code.

Second, you will have disadvantages on emulating it on a RISC processor that uses a single instruction per cycle.

Third, PS2s EE actually beats Exynos 4412 by floating point performance comparison. Not even close to possible emulating a processor with an even slower processor.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
If somebody knew what they were doing, it would be possible probably next year, a dual core 3ghz is out then. (it will be enough to emulate Ps2 and Gamecube) look at the new DraStic DS emu. We just need someone to code it all, in 5 years we could emulate the 3ds! If somebody knew what they were doing. People need to post the facts instead of random **** etc " stupid question, in 5 years" blah blah
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] icedef:
DS Hardware is very low compared to PS2's that's why it works, as of now no phone can compare to PS2's Emotion Engine. I'd give it about 5 years. If you think about it how long did it take for coders to get a stable PSX emu out and that was released in, what, 1994? The psp emu is also unstable, it's not just about the code, it always boil down the hardware.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mossesmos:
it would certainly happen in next few decades or i could be wrong ... razer edge proves me wrong
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
Dual core 3Ghz? I can tell you've no idea what you're talking about.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sauprankul:
Correct me If I'm wrong, but isn't it currently hard for an mediocre desktop to emulate a PS One right now? Let alone a mobile phone PS2?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpaceMammoth:
As others have said, it wont be possible for at least a few years, but it would be cool ....
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] czt:
PS2 games on our phones? Not likely. Even core i7 processors combined with a good graphics card struggle to run some games.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakunclear:
......maybe in your world but before I upgraded my computer I had a 4 year old and x4 635 and a crap video card and ps2 games ran as smooth as butter for me never have had any bumps with any game on that!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
That processor is a cisc processor that lets you to use powerful instructions(such as SSE series in your case) that are already hardcoded into the cpu, so it eats alot less resources than risc if the emulator takes advantage of those instructions, while risc has nothing but basic ones to combine stuff.

generally, cisc architecture has a lot bigger arith logic unit and tons of more registers to handle those instructions easily than risc.

so you can say that, your quad or octo core phone is nowhere fast as old core 2 duo or even pentium series.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
Well i7 is not all that great so...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
i7 is the best one for most highend emulators out there.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
I need more proof, otherwise your comment is biased in my eyes.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
If you need proof, first, learn how ALUs, registers, and MMUs work and go read basic x86 functions documentation from intel and also read the emotion engine documentation too.

They are all over the internet so you will be able to find it in no time.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
Doesn't explain how Intel is the BEST processor for emulating.

Usually terms like "best" are biased and cannot be proven. So a debate is useless.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
ahahah, you obviously don't know alot about what's been going on in the mobile world.

Source: www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415920,00.asp

I also suggest you take a look at the specs of Ubuntu edge.... >You have no idea what your talking about.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
When did I mention Quad core is better than dual core?

What I meant is that 3Ghz Dual core is not enough to run a PS2 game at the PS2 console quality. There's more than just clock speeds and cores.

But obviously you knew that right?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
3ghz dual core is enough to run ps2, at a slow speed. I believe there will be a ps2 emu for android in development by next year.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
Here you go, there was this post that explains what I'm talking about.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jespy:
Wait 2-4 years, then MAYBE

:rolleyes: I don't think there is anything available that would be stable for mobile phones. I can barely get it working on my high end rig. Can't imagine the troubles with it on a mobile device.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biker4033:
gta would be wicked:good:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Port-pcsx2-to-android?page=4 <-- Someone says they're gonna try port it.. +or+ rewrite it.

I wish them luck ;p
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoholee12:
3Ghz dual core risc processor aint enough.

Unless its got larger ALUs like x86, it wont be able to compete even with core 2 duo mobile cpu at all.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
I told him but "I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about"
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howdareme:
I didn't even say it was gonna run a full speed. I'm assuming, you thought I meant that. 3ghz dualcore + a decent graphics driver will at least get you 10-15 fps
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nmur:
Even when PS2 emulators start emerging, don't expect to be able to play anything that isn't turn based. Everything else will be way too hard.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GRAVITY-7:
Better android games

While seeking 2 port PS2 games on Android, why dnt we request for high android games dat rivals PS2 games?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
Well we don't need to ask really, as time goes better and higher definition games for Android will start emerging, it's just a matter of time.

Sent from my MoKee'd Galaxy Nexus
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cesar124:
My rig has a Core i5 with a GTX 660 and it runs PCSX2 just fine. Android phones nowadays aren't just strong enough for a full fledged PS2 emulator. Most Android phones still struggle running Windows 95. So even if there was a PS2 emulator..It would be laggy and most likely buggy as even PCSX2 can't play all PS2 games.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boss1019:
Simple Facts

While in my opinion it is "possible" for their to be a "somewhat decent" ps2 emulator. But for what I'm about to say let's temporarily assume that hardware in smartphones is capable of running ps2 games. The next obstacle one would face is the complexity of the architecture of the ps2. You have a 297ish mhz Emotion Engine, two "vector units", a "graphic synthesiser" and much more. It is complicated enough where pcsx2 has been in development for 10+ years and only 79 percent of games can be played through completely. If one takes the time to go through the source, they will find that it is about 2 million lines of code per plugin (my actual estimate for the gsdx plugin). To port this you would have to port at least 5+ of these. All the speed hacks, and if you wanted it to use the full power of the cpu, you would have to rewrite the emulator to favor more cores over more powerful cores (harder than actually porting the plugins). All of this together is like 2 years of some poor developers time, and in my opinion someone with this much skill has much better things to do. Also to be quite honest opengl es 2 is lacking in many useful features such as fragment shader depth, and sampler objects (an issue that dolphin porting is having), and with opengl es 3 just being supported by android less than a month ago, the average android device won't support this for at least a year or more. I imagine there is more features which pcsx2 requires which isn't even supported by ogl es 3. On top of that there isn't even a compatible BIOS file. Also PCSX2 is written for x86 processors, not the ARM ones that are used in phones, which use an entirely different instruction language. These obstacles to name a few are why I personally gave up trying to develop a ps2 emulator, and I'm sure that ning guy on the pcsx2 forums has at least realized the same issues.

If some guy succeeds that is great, but I believe people should at least be aware of the obstacles, and not get their hopes up.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] czt:
Try Metal Gear Solid 3 on that rig. :p

What I'm trying to say is that it depends on the game too, just like the PC game requirements.

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Then we can try i7 Extreme Edition maybe? :)

The teams that do the coding have preferred devices in mind so if they do the appropriate coding, any multi core processor will perform better.

Example, PCSX2 is getting better and better with every build.

Graphics card is also an important factor, an i7 combined with a high end graphics card will give the emulation some noticeable boost.

If that i7 supports Turbo Boost, that'll be an added bonus.

Still some games will struggle 'cause emulation is emulation, its hard to emulate something that runs on an entirely different CPU architecture.

If the company could leak out the source code of unsupported consoles, it would've become much easier but I don't see that happening.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakunclear:
I would but it died a while ago so now I have a amd fx 8520 and good video card so I guess that test is out of the question lol