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[Nexus 7 General] fushla:
AW: Downgraded to 4.1.2 - Very Happy

The nexus 7 is laggy because it's cheap? No offense but only dumb people are able to believe this. Sorry if someone's feeling attacked, but this is bullsh!t.

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Oh, and the nexus 4 is also cheap so it's not a good phone? Thank you for this info. Ugh.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah basically you get the "Hey it's a $200 tablet what did you expect?" line thrown at you. I agree such a terrible, terrible theory. I might understand it more if Google was overhauling android and releasing 5.0, but we're talking about a version that was considered so minor it didn't even get a new name!

People who buy into the cheap tablet fail to understand the point of the nexus 7. It was released as a bang for your buck device, not a get what you pay for device!
[Nexus 7 General] smoka206:
I love this tablet, I don't fell the lag on this device. I'm running smooth room at the moment and its very smooth:) . I really don't see where the tablet lags. I think the problem lies with the users lack of knowledge.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Mine is running great with clean rom and M kernel but it shouldn't be required to hack your tab to get the performance google promised out of the box
[Nexus 7 General] Vepaot:
I'm running the old version of the Eclipse ROM for 4.1.2 and typing this on my N7 right now. Everything is set up the way I want it, I won't be updating unless there is a major feature I want or think I could really use.

But as it stands, my tablet is my daily media consumption device. That means video games too and I couldn't get my PS3 controller working even after 4.2.1 so I'll stick to where I'm at and be happy with how awesome my Nexus runs everything I throw at it.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
4.1 is great. May not have all the features 4.2 does but it's rock solid on performance, battery life, and stability
[Nexus 7 General] fushla:
AW: Downgraded to 4.1.2 - Very Happy

But if you look closely, android grew and always got better (except 4.2) so we can believe, that 5.0 will increase performance, and 6.0 will be better than 5.0... So let's wait what Google works on ^^
[Nexus 7 General] Nate2:
After reading all the issues with 4.2.x, I decided to stick with 4.1.2 quite some time ago.

To avoid the constant nag to upgrade, I downloaded http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.autostart.manager

and disabled this: (SystemUpdateService$Receiver)

I don't get the prompts to update anymore :)
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I still believe 4.2 will be great assuming google patches it's issues. The added features are great, and feature wise it's really the most usable one out of the box. Every version of android before it was pretty basic, but the standard features rival sense or touchwiz, it's just currently it has major quirks that need fixed.
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
Your joking right? I have owned a Droid 1, Dinc1, Dinc2, and all were rooted with custom ROMS, kernels, themes, and the whole 9 at one point or another. I can accept laggy performance when the device has been customized to the extreme, but not when its completely stock. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize a quad-core device that is supposed to benefit from "Project Butter" should not have this much lag. Also, lag is just one of the issues and everyone is not affected, but there are clearly enough to prompt a ton of threads and articles. If you are not experiencing the issues, then good for you, but don't insult the intelligence of those with the problem.

Also, I didn't create this post to start arguments. I was simply making my personal experience public, in hope that it may benefit anyone with similar issues. That is it and nothing more.
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
4.2 features far out weighs 4.1.2 with regards to lag.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
4.2 features with lag far out weighs 4.1.2 IMO.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] served24:
I've been on 4.2.1 for a good month now and I've experienced no problems. I've ran games like NFS and temple run 2 and things seem extremely smooth. Then again I'm unrooted and stuff but I don't think that'll change things. I haven't used the blue tooth on this at all since I don't own any Bluetooth devices but pretty much everything else seems smooth. I upgraded to 4.2 as soon as I got it so didn't get an opportunity to check 4.1. Is there a way to downgrade for unrooted users?
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
I'm prettt sure you don't need to be rooted to downgrade, just check the tutorial referenced in this thread. Then again, if you're not experiencing any issues, I wouldn't downgrade. The bluetooth issues I had were very evident. It skipped and went in and out all the time. Bluetooth on my RAZR M is better on 4.2, but its kinda glitchy when it comes to auto pairing.
[Nexus 7 General] michalurban:
Hi, what 4.1.2 ROM would you recommend? Or should I just use stock 4.1.2? And what kernel?
[Nexus 7 General] Letitride:
Sticking with or downgrade to 4.1.2 - I actually like stock rom and kernel, once rooted with Beats/DSP audio tweats plus adding Boat Browser with Flash Player on demand, streaming videos at many sites are NICE - or, franco kernel for sure OTG functions.

Otherwise, PA custom rom 2.5.4 and franco kernel r38 is great for tablet UI - icons/fonts just too small for me.

Kaos Droid 3.8.3 and franco kernel r25 was my choice, OTG enabled just like PA - with Apex Launcher.

As always, do a backup (CWM works great for me on 4.1.2) NexusLouder v2 for sound volume is a plus.
[Nexus 7 General] blackhand1001:
The thing is you can get all the new features of 4.2 on 4.1 by installing a few apks and libs. And still have the rock solid stability.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I keep holding out for a 4.2.2. I've been thinking about downgrading myself, really don't need the extra stuff on the nexus 7. No user profiles but don't use it anyway as my wife has her own tablet. No lockscreen widgets but I keep it turned off. No swiping keyboard but I use SwiftKey anyway etc. Really wonder why I'm running it.

Just had to have the newest version when it came out. I was running PA and it was running solid and stable, lost everything reverting to stock as my PC didn't copy the tb folder right. And the tablet overall has been less enjoyable since.

I just don't know what is taking google so long to release 4.2.2. These issues should have been priority number 1!
[Nexus 7 General] stewyfallingup:
Could you please upload the Kaos Droid rom? I cannot find it anywhere for download
[Nexus 7 General] thevuman:
So 4.2.1 is still bad, huh? I'm glad I stuck with 4.1.2 then. I'm completely stock... But I still hate that stupid upgrade notification that pops up every 5 mins.. Errrr
[Nexus 7 General] Letitride:
I had to search outside the (XDA) box to find it myself, the discussions here

http://www.icsforums.com/forum/showthread/12447

http://goo.im/devs/Omega_Kaos/Kaos_Droid/Kaos_Droid-V3.8.3.zip

FYI - running 4.1.2 rooted stock with franco r23, had 2 or 3 unexplained shutdown/reboot - so I'm running stock rom now

ICS forum has discussions about other 4.1.2 roms and tweaks, etc. that you might find useful, have fun & good luck

There's an easy way to disable & turn off the notification - search here for the discussions, rooted devices only as I recall. Link - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1998378&highlight=disable
[Nexus 7 General] served24:
Any idea how I can downgrade to 4.1.2 (non rooted method?)
[Nexus 7 General] ghost02:
Hi guys,

I just got my Nexus 2 weeks ago and got it on 4.1.2 and it feels pretty laggy, is there anything you guys can recommend to smooth it out but still keep it stable?

Thanks
[Nexus 7 General] blackhand1001:
Install cm10.0 stable.
[Nexus 7 General] scottx .:
No way would I run 4.1. I sold my Galaxy Note because I couldn't put 4.2 on it.

You have a flagship device that's one of the fastest seven inch tablets on the market. Tweak the kernel and you'll see it really come to life.
[Nexus 7 General] DirkBelig:
This is almost as dumb as the post that problems are the result of user error. You're basically saying, "You should run the latest version and then replace the kernel or tweak it to get it working." IOW, fix what's broken. O_o

I ordered my Nexus 7 the moment they held it up at Google I/O and had it at launch. After getting a replacement with a non-defective screen, I thought it was great. Very slick, no lag.

Then came 4.2. The first day or so it seemed fine, then it started stuttering, freezing, lagging. I tried clearing the cache and eventually did a factory reset and almost immediately performance took a nose dive. Now when I open the cover, it takes 5-10 seconds for it to become responsive enough to unlock it. Apps take forever to open, task switching or accessing the program drawer is molasses in winter slow, and battery life is degraded and charging takes longer.

When a device goes from lightning fast to dead weight slow and the only difference is the OS update, that pretty much rules out user error. It's been over 2 months and Google hasn't fixed the Nexus 7 issues nor the wakelock bug killing Nexus 4 batteries on 3G. Is there a legit ETA for 4.2.2 or should I just revert to 4.1 so I can stop disliking my N7?
[Nexus 7 General] iamelton:
i think theres no need to argue with "happy 4.2 users" on whether there are problems present in 4.2..

for the lucky 4.2-without-issue users, do believe you are one of the few lucky ones or continue to live in your own ivory tower and be the pretty-but-dumb princess (or prince for fairness purpose).. just leave this thread alone..
[Nexus 7 General] Keydogg1:
Well, here's my take on things.

I've had a nexus since my lovely wife bought me one for Xmas, and obviously it was on 4.2 straight away so I don't have any experience on the previous OS. I've been browsing the XDA Forums for a few months (since I got my Galaxy S3 in October really) but only read this thread yesterday and it all makes sense!

Over the past few weeks I've been thinking to myself that that the nexus is a little slow when switching between apps, and also when unlocking. I have to wait about two seconds to unlock from the screen turning on, even when it does let me it's choppy. It's really frustrating. I also noticed the colours were a little washed out, but just assumed it was because my Galaxy S3 has such good colours rather than the Nexus having a problem.

Now I don't know what to do, I'm tempted to downgrade but in my head I'm kind of refusing to because I shouldn't have to!
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Where the hell is 4.2.2? That's what I'm saying! As soon as I installed 4.2 I noticed the lag, but I wasn't too worried thinking they'd patch it quickly. They did, for a stupid December birthday bug WOOPITY DOO! Going on 3 months and my Nexus 7 is still laggy.

Its really not all the time, just random bouts of lag when I leave it on for a while. I've found that temporary fix in rebooting, but its not a permanent solution. I've tried about every kernel and lag fixing method but the laginess comes back regardless.

Really it's unacceptable.
[Nexus 7 General] xdacuc:
I've had my N7 on 4.2.1 since the day I got. I have to say I also think that the colors seem a little washed out.

Is there really a difference in how the screen looks, color wise, between 4.1 - 4.2 ?
[Nexus 7 General] served24:
Is there a way to downgrade for non root users?
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Mine always have been a tad washed out, I just haven't worried about it. Still looks great
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
Yep, its not going to look as rich as the latest phone screens or HD, but it still looks good on 4.1.2 for me.

Sent from my XT907
[Nexus 7 General] z06mike:
Wow, just WOW! I can't believe how much smoother this Nexus is with 4.1.2. I never got to experience it because when I bought it I was already on 4.2. To be honest, I was pretty disappointed that a device with these specs was this laggy. I ran Smooth ROM and it was pretty good I must say, but after seeing this thread, I decided why not give it a shot? It is SOOO much better!! You wouldn't normally think that a "downgrade" would be an "upgrade," but that definitely is the case here.

Thanks OP for the thread.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah, you gotta remember Google advertised it as a lag free product. Thats what disappoints me more than anything about 4.2, really thought they would of fixed it right away but we're still waiting
[Nexus 7 General] naturist:
Totally agree with you, 4.1.2 is much smoother than 4.2. I wonder why, but I'm staying with stock 4.1.2 with fotakiller to stop receiving OTA update. Happy with N7 all over again.
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
Check the 3rd post of the discussion. An alternative may have been stated somewhere else, but this is the method I used. It seems a bit daunting at first, but once you gather all the files, its really a straight-forward process. Only takes about 15mins from start to finish.
[Nexus 7 General] z06mike:
You can also just use the Toolkit and it will do everything for you. The only thing you really need to know how to do is boot into fastboot mode.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I think I'm going to downgrade soon, what's the best way to keep all your saved data? Got a lot of game saves I don't wanna loose
[Nexus 7 General] EddieN:
Use Titanium Backup to backup all your games and apps + app data. You need root though.

Good luck!
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I'm already rooted. I got tb, just this whole whiping of storage I'm not used to. Every other device I've had, wiping and switching roms has no affect on user data, but the nexus wipes it all!
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
Yeah, just make sure you copy the TB folder to your computer first. Then downgrade, download TB, copy over the folder, and restore. Most devices use SD cards, but since there isn't one, you need to move the backups off the device before downgrading.
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
Also, you can flash ROMs without wiping and retain user data and apps. But if you wipe and erase, it erase everything on any device. Again, the difference is the ability to keep the backup stored on the device during the process.
[Nexus 7 General] scottx .:
Correct! Glad I could help a toddler.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah I know how it all works. The difference between a nexus device is partitioning. Most devices have 3 partitions, a hidden one for android, internal storage for app data, and a virtual sd card. Any other device will ignore user data as it see it as an sd card and won't wipe it. Nexus devices however just have 2 partitions, hidden one for android, and internal storage. Makes it kind of a pain.
[Nexus 7 General] dro855:
Yeah, I figured you knew it already, just posted it for those who may not.
[Nexus 7 General] frozst:
I bought my N7 few days ago and it worked great, I installed like 50 apps and the system became very slow, even Spotify had problems and the sound were cracking all the time with a CPU demand apps...

I rooted, wipe and reinstalled all those apps and now everything works like a charm, no more freezes or lags. I am using the last stock rom.
[Nexus 7 General] gelhack:
Yet another reason to not like 4.2, the side loaded stock browser locks up constantly.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I'm hearing 4.2.2 is rolling out very soon, waiting for that, might even full wipe afterwards. If I'm still having lag issues, it's back to 4.1.2. No sense in leaving it in a state that makes me not enjoy it as much.
[Nexus 7 General] Keydogg1:
Well after reading this (and posting my own slow-4.2 experiences) I decided to downgrade to 4.1.2, and I was massively underwhelmed. It was indeed a bit faster than 4.2, smoother generally but the lack of the 4.2 features outweighed it for me. I then decided to do some research and whacked Paranoid Android 2.99 on and WOW.

This ROM is fantastic, I won't be going back to stock any time soon! It's fast, smooth, great customisation without too much "in your face" stuff, I like my ROMs to be subtle and tweaked rather than a completely different experience. Very impressed with it, I'm excited to use it again!
[Nexus 7 General] fushla:
AW: Downgraded to 4.1.2 - Very Happy

The funniest thing is, that 4.2.2 won't fix anything at all except the Bluetooth bug.. I'm like pretty sure about that... -.-

Proof me different Google!
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Sadly, that's probably correct :(
[Nexus 7 General] DirkBelig:
Blew it up, unlocked and rooted and slapped 4.1.2 on and now have the slick tablet I paid for again. It sucks to have dissimilar interfaces from my Nexus 4, but at least it's fast again.
[Nexus 7 General] gelhack:
I see this thread had been inactive for a while, but I thought I'd ask this anyway.... Has anyone still on 4.2 been getting seemingly random "complete action using...." pop ups? I finally used email to do it and found that my N7 is trying to send a bug report saying that /system/bin/stagefright doesn't exist. And checking that out with a file explorer shows that indeed it doesn't. I have tried to search the forums but can't find anything that helps. Anyone know what stagefright is, why it's being called or why it doesn't exist? I'm on a rooted N7 4.2.2 stock everything.
[Nexus 7 General] chismay:
Im perplexed , i am not suffering any of these issues except screen flicker when receiving wii data, i have been told from a few sources that switching wifi optimization off will solve then i found it did not happen enough for me to worry about.

ive never had....

screen seperation

washed out colours

undue lag (open apps)

light bleed on screen

no bluetooth issues what-so-ever "plantronics m50" skype or music playback.

touchscreen issues

trouble updating

seems this is my one lucky purchase as if you ask anyone about me at "work" im a total perfectionist, ive always in the past bought expensive items to find they don't work/go as fast/react as quick, or do the job as much as everyone else. i for years hated this curse until one day i got my first job fresh from highschool. and understood the guys we just think know what they are doin and do it properly is a load of bull.

now i make sure everyone in my brigade of 2 chefs does EVERYTHING quickly, defiantly and more and more the most important......PROPERLY.:good:

and a thumbs down for factory workers not giving a ****e,.

as a great man once said , "its doesn't matter what job you do, as long as you do it properly."
[Nexus 7 General] 2kst:
Google android stagefright ...it's a new media framework
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SmithOnline:
Hi,

Firstly new here and new to this device i have just purchased i was wondering if someone on here could help me with two things.

firstly it may seem daft but i see no way to power on this device without removing the power cable and then replacing to power it on there has to be a way to power it on surely am I missing something i have tried the power button on remote and also power button on the back of the box but nothing?? :eek:

secondly i really bought this box purely to put xbmc on it and use as a media center is there anyway to place pivos xbmc linux on this box to boot straight to xbmc so it run better or am i better using ipa?? and if i install pivos xbmc would the remote, wireless, usb sockets, ethernet, etc all function correctly still??

box details

name: - Sumvision Cyclone Nano Slim Plus

ram: 1gb m3 box

Thanks in advance for your help

Regards,

Smith Online
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SmithOnline:
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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddy283:
same problem here! Please help
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thabest85:
Okay I have this epic touch its running stock ics with root I just started getting this shell thing it started happening when my phone drops below 19% and freezes the browser can you guys tell me what's going on ? Thank you
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
Is it a repeated popup? Try to get a logcat to capture the issue.. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2062073
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thabest85:
Yes it repeats but the weird thing is I plugged it into the charger and it stopped doing it
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
Is this supersu or superuser?

Either way, a logcat and directing it to the right people may help more people. And as Garwynn said in the other thread, reflashing really isn't the fix if the dev doesn't know what's broken.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thabest85:
Its superuser how do I create a logcat
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
FYI. Since we've crossed two threads (The one listed above) I'm going to ask a mod to close this one.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] The-Captain:
OP, are you okay with the closing of this thread or would you like it left open?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thabest85:
I'm fine with it being closed thank you :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] psyko12:
Heya guys, recently bought a Xperia Go (Advance in the US) and have updated it with the b.54 stock rom and have just rooted it.

I have seen quite a few roms/kernel here and tried quite a few... mujenji and the xperiance lite... I really wanted to have a crack at mujenji's but it doesn't work out good for me, even with the memory tweak v16, my wifi dies for a minute and have to reboot fone to make it work again... About Xperiance it's good and lite but I'm missing the Sim Toolkit app which is important for my mobile services...

Any good suggestions/enlightenment would be appreciated.

I am new to this android scene (coming from Blackberry)

Thank you and have a prosperous 2013!!! Cheers!

Sincerely Psyk~~
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] doctor_droid:
try brains rom wid brains kernel...

try brains kernel wid xperiance lite ( you can ask miner to provide that app , he will certainly )
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] psyko12:
Thanks for the reply... Hmm strange thing is when I'm using Brains Kernel it's saying that it needs an update about 17mb of b.54.... I don't know if I'm doing it wrong, I just do what I read from here.

Thank you again
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] justaguy705:
I'm curious.

I'm sure this question is asked often, though a search turned up nothing (device specific).

There is a lot of hard work in ROM development for our device, and I applaud the effort and determination.

Is there a ROM comparison list out there, I am new on the scene, and am having difficulty finding information

on the differences, pros, cons, benefits and consequences to choosing one specific ROM over another.

Naturally, I am only interested in those specific to my device - T989 (D).

I see AOKP, PAC, Liquid Smooth, Slim Bean, PA, etc. I am not asking for opinions on which is "best."

I am asking for a "sticky" maybe - which informs people what's available so that we can make informed

decisions.

I would imagine it would benefit developers also - am I off in left field here?

Thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] FineTalent:
Hey justaguy705, the T989 wiki page may have been the exact thing you are/were looking for, however, the information on it is very very outdated. As of right now, there is no specific post or link that compares all the current T989 ROMs in a list. It is either because the ROMs are always changing or there hasn't been anyone who wasn't lazy to create a comparison, ahaha.

Your best option is to just read through and compare the feature list on the OP's of the ROMs, read comments on the ROM threads and simply try the ROMs out yourself. This is a long process, but it is the only way to achieve any proper comparisons, unfortunately.

Hope that helps clear things up for you. :)