yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Hardware Hacking General] iytrix:
So I've realized. The thing is, I think I just need to line everything up, then pull the trigger and get funding. I realize this will be a difficult task, but my main goal initially will simply be the cheap phones. It's my goal and passion to get the world more technology, and I want to see more people learn to develop for said devices.

I've still been looking at screens, devices, and parts. To say the least, it is overwhelming.

So far, it seems I could at the very least bulk order cheaper generic phones after getting a retail license, recase them in something more durable and nicer quality, and then resell those for as cheap as I could. Right now though, it seems I should be able to get mostly assembled chipsets, and then could add in my own displays and buttons, but the displays that are easiest to get are replacement ones it seems.

This is a daunting task, and is a little beyond my reach. People do great things daily though, and more and more this project is becoming a passion of mine. If you have any suggestions or links, it would be appreciated. I'm hoping to at least get a couple custom phones made to play around with by myself.

I have a friend who will put me into contact with a metal worker, although that would be costly and I really only plan on metal for the luxury phones.

I appreciate the concern and, realistically this is far reached, but if someone doesn't try to do this, we will forever be paying top dollar for phones that are MADE to break on us.

My main hates on current phones are

-Price for quality

-Designed to fail over time

-Often times closed off to hackers

-Locked in bloatware

-Locked off OS

I want to remedy all these things and hope I can do so using AOSP software and most likely the phone designs will be Open Source unless I would need to have some secret patented tech, although I plan for these start phones to evolve out of the community and the availability of everything. I would also like for community input to go into designing and manufacturing the phones. The luxury phones will be a separate thing entirely, and have a different mindset behind them, but those are plans for a much later date.
[Hardware Hacking General] SouL Shadow:
I like your idea. I too have been thinking along these lines. Although quality, based on the HTC phones (Evo 4g, Evo 4g LTE) I own, hasn't been a concern. Features, both hardware design and software, are what motivate my desire for a custom phone. Not that I want anything extravagant, but no current phones have all the features I want.

I also realized the difficulty in such a venture. It would be nearly impossible to compete cost wise with other phones from big manufacturers. Custom phones would be the draw for customers willing to pay full price. But you also need to make sure the phones produced can be used on the chosen carriers networks. Most likely you'll need to obtain many hardware and software licenses. If you want to include Google apps/services then you also need to go through their validation process.

It's a massive undertaking to say the least. Especially in a market that is being flooded with iphones, TONS of android phones, and now the new windows 8 phones.

Also, in regards to the lifetimes of phones. The technology continues to advance rapidly, with new generations approximately every 18 months. New hardware, new software, new buzzwords, new hype. Unlike full sized computers, with so much different technology packed in to a tiny smart phone it's more important to keep current with the latest advances. Manufacturers know this drives consumers to look for new devices ever 2-3 years, which influences the life cycles of their product offerings.

I don't mean to discourage you, but it's a large, costly undertaking and any investors are going to want to know what will make your product successful enough to make them money. Especially in a market flooded with choices, filled with marketing hype and still sluggish in terms of overall consumer spending and economic stability. What will make your product stand out from the crowd?

-SLS-
[Hardware Hacking General] rj88:
I understand, as i was just like you. First and foremost, what's your background?

I believe a team can do this successfully, but not an individual. Are you interested in partnering?

People will pay for what they want. Phones differ from tablets and most other electronics because they're considered a must have by consumers. Therefore, no matter what the price is, it'll sell, as long as it's what people want. Sprinkle in a good marketing campaign, and you can make consumers want it.
[Hardware Hacking General] Riyal:
I only heard of one project like this that made it's success and that's the pandora board. Perhaps getting hints from their community would help you alot on this project.

Here's a link to their wiki

http://pandorawiki.org/Main_Page

and official site

http://www.openpandora.org/
[Hardware Hacking General] SouL Shadow:
Ok, now I see a viable plan starting to form. The only major issue I see is the pricing for custom phones. Of course luxury phones would cost, especially depending on the options. Probably not a HUGE market for these, but they would fall in to the high end of custom phones. For the developer/hobbyist (xda) market you would need a lower starting price, with reasonably priced add-ons. Over $1,000 for a BASIC custom wouldn't work very well. Consider anyone could purchase a dragonboard (qualcomm, snapdragon S4) fully assembled with housing and get access to some basic binaries or source code, for $1,000. Those are developer units.

I'm not trying to shoot down your ideas, I'm actually very interested in this. The biggest hurdle is sourcing the right parts for the right price and targeting the right audience. If those details can be worked out, then it's only a matter of writing up a good business plan, securing investors, and outsourcing much of the basic work for the cheapest price.

I have some additional ideas and a few resources. If your interested and truly serious, pm me and we can talk in greater detail.

-SLS-
[Hardware Hacking General] ivoidwarranty:
I've been looking along one of these lines too - the cheaper custom phones. I've done some research and found that many Chinese manufacturers and some Indian manufacturers use a system where one company provides/facilitates mostly everything in software and hardware which both can be customized within certain limits.

Companies in China using this model has been able to release phones from their home office/workshop with <10 members as family businesses. This business model has been quite successful in developing nations with some of these companies (Micromax/Karbonn) overtaking bigger vendors like LG/Motorola in India. Qualcomm has a program like this I heard is quite popular among these Chinese & Indian manufacturers: https://qrd.qualcomm.com/ I think Mediatek and Spreadtrum also have such programs. You might want to try this to see how much it can help in your model.
[Hardware Hacking General] Nick14:
Some guidelines :

Making these devices shouldnt be that expensive as per device as there are several factories in china willing to make these according to your specs but unfortunanetly u need an order from 1000-10000 Devices.

as for

-CPU , it aint the most expensive part as Tegra 3 , EXYNOS 4 Are pretty cheap to buy and these companies are willing too sell a smaller bulk ( it's often left overchips from other companies depending on the successrate as they make 1.4 million chips for a 1million order because of the failrate of making the chips. so the left over chips from the 400 000 that do work are what they sell out cheap/smaller bulk )

-Screen : and IPS 5.0 inch 1920x1080p Screen shouldnt be expensive either as many chinese cellphones for sub $350 dollars but i believe you can find a 4.3-4.7 inch 720p for a much better price if you want a smaller screen-

- Case: shouldnt neither be a problem but you have too make it your own design and have it fit perfectly

-board : you need someone to design your pcb board with all the powerchips etc

i believe the sum per phone should be around $400 depending but to be honest i rather buy a oppo or some other expensive chinese phone
[Hardware Hacking General] iytrix:
Wow. Very helpful!

I planned to make the cases here. Probably offer 3d printed and polycarbonate options if 3d printing can get me decent cases at a decent rate. I feel like I could give out a few 3d printed cases for free since the big cost is really the printer.

The basic idea would basically be the chinese phones, but it would be local is the US, offering full support and service, plus I would have deals with google so nothing would be shady or questionable like it is with getting the chines devices. Plus everything would be fully open and supported for developers. If you did a crazy hardware mod and messed something up, we would still try and help you out. I really dislike the closed mindset of current companies

Thank you for the help though, very good information. I think at some point it would be nice to poll for what people want from a phone too.
[Hardware Hacking General] steamdnt:
I'd be interested in working with you on the hardware and software. I'm going into computer science later on this year, and I already have experience working with Allwinner chips, as well as some smaller ARM stuff. Shoot me a PM and we can talk.
[Hardware Hacking General] Rctophobbby:
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[Hardware Hacking General] streetpounder:
depending on the chassis size and power consumption... has anyone ever though about using a removable msata ssd in a phone for storage? right now you can find those up to 256 GB and possibly 512 and they are fairly compact but swappable. No sure what it would take to implement an msata controller setup into such a beast of if there is anything out there as such?
[Hardware Hacking General] SouL Shadow:
It would largerly depend on the size and cost. Current emmc flash chips are built on to the pcb taking up very little space. Current smart phones are about 85% screen and battery, 10% pcb, and about 5% enclosure. (I made those numbers up for this example, but it should be close) Then there's the issue of power consumption. I don't know anything about either one, but I would guess the emmc would be more power efficient. And finally there's the issue of firmware. You'd need to implement new code in to the proprietary boot loaders so they can access the different type of storage.

In short, it's probably doable, but the time and cost to develop are probably not feasible for a small start-up. Plus there's the question of efficiency which is very important for this application.

-SLS-
[Hardware Hacking General] iytrix:
It's pretty much things like this that we would love to look into once we got a truly custom phone department up. Eventually we would like to incorporate the best ideas into non-custom but still high end phones. SouL Shadow gave you above the best answer to if we can or will do it, and probably not until we had a cashflow going and more people to develop things like that for the custom phones. It's ideas like this though that never get made or done because no one cares to do it but I feel like certain types of people would pay good money to have us build them their ideas with them, plus it will be unique to you, and who else can say they designed their own phone?

I agree with this statement
[LG Optimus G (International)] simplemee:
there has been cm 10.1 for optimus g.

however, there are several bugs ! I hope I can get support to fix cm10.1 to be prefect making our own optimus g best.

bugs:

1.no signs

2. Virtual key can be used. Entity key can't be used.

I have no right to post outside links in my messages.so if you can post outside link, you can contact me.
[LG Optimus G (International)] _user47:
Hei whats dis abt CM10 for F180S. i cant even get recovery (CWM and TWRP) to work on my phone.

Help pls.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] seantana:
Hi everybody,

Sorry if this is a noob question, but I tried searching the forums but I couldn't find anything. Perhaps I'm simply searching using the wrong keywords?

Anyway, I have a rooted SGS3 with ClockworkMod installed, and I would like to completely wipe it and install the official Jelly Bean upgrade.

In my limited experience roothing android devices, I bricked a kindle by installing a official rom after rooting it, so before I try anything I figured I'd ask here before doing something stupid.

Is there a way to keep the phone rooted and install the official upgrade?

Is there instructions to upgrading a rooted SGS3 to jelly bean somewhere that I've missed?

Thanks for any help, sorry again if this is a noob question, I'm really just scratching the surface of rooting, still a bit confused.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] shoestar:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1739426

That will help you flash the new stock 4.1.1 image and root it.

I couldn't find any ROMs that were completely stock and rooted.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Anonymously_Unknown:
The NEW Samsung Kies has the option of wiping your device and restoring it to 4.1.1
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] shoestar:
Honestly, and I don't want this taken the wrong way, but I would NEVER recommend using Kies for anyone. I have heard too many horror stories. ODIN is way more trusted.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] norbarb:
Why never... i use Kies for everything longest i'm on stock and neet to get back to stock. Never had any bad expirance with Kies. I think most of horror stories you heard is user error not Kies.

BTW. Odin works to.. :)

@seantana use this link if you want to wipe everything and get back to JB stock.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] tailgunner9:
http://androidromupdate.com/2012/12...-s3-android-4-1-1-jelly-bean-official-update/

---------- Post added at 09:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:04 AM ----------

http://androidromupdate.com/2012/12/04/i747ucdlk3-att-samsung-galaxy-s3-android-4-1-1-jelly-bean-official-update/[/url]

This is stock Stock http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&model=SGH-I727&pcode=ATT&os=1&type=1#firmware
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] shoestar:
Nah, Samsung knows their software is crap. Lol. I don't trust it. Never will.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] norbarb:
Here is laters offical firmware.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eramdam:
Hi ! I just got a Nexus 7, and as I will have to work on some UIs for a-non-so-unknown-little-orange-cone-on-Android, I installed Paranoid Android 2.99 beta-9.5 on my Nexus7, very great ROM I must say, the layout changing feature is quite handy and awesome, congratulations on the guys involved in it !

But I got a little "problem", I can't find a way to lock the rotation of the screen, on 4.2.1 stock you got the Rotation Lock right in the settings slider (the one you get by swiping on the right side of the status bar), but on Paranoid Android 2.99 beta-9.5 it's not here. Is a bug ? A feature ? Am I missing something ? I got a Wi-Fi Nexus 7 32Gb, I hope this can help.

Thanks in advance, and keep up the great work on Paranoid Android !
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tonttunator:
Unless I'm mistaken you can do this from settings > accessibility > auto-rotate screen. You should also be able to add a tile in the quick settings panel from somewhere in the settings. For me it's in settings > system > quick settings panel > tiles and layout.

Note: I am using CM 10,1 nightlies myself, so this may be done differently in PA.
[Android Themes] MarkelofRazr:
wTf?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] themartien:
hello

I've installed the unofficial CM 1.10 Rom

and my Prime is freezing when it is look screen (black) unable to wake up it

I have to long press power to reboot it :(

I'm sure it's freeze because the % batterie a lot lower after the reboot

any one have the same issue ?

I've configured Gmail 2 account on it
[LG Optimus Black] ykumar00:
XDA user commandersafi has created a Nice GUI program, which allows you to simply select all APK files, and it will create the flashable AROMA zip for you.

Really useful when you are a Frequent Rom Changer!

Official Thread: goo.gl/GyJTt

What Is It?

Aroma App Package Creator is an application for those who flash new rom's often and want an easy way to create a flashable zip to reinstall apps. This utilizes Aroma Installer for more customization, allowing you to choose which apps to be installed instead of installing all of them. I made this tool for myself after seeing strawmetal's Flashaholic Essential Packs and wanted a way to produce the same results without editing multiple config files for each "pack" I make. I hope everyone else will find it useful as well

How To Use:

1) Download the aroma-app-package-creator.jnlp file and run by double clicking it

You must have Java 6 or higher for the application
You will have to accept a security warning. This is normal for all applications using Java Web Start

2) Click the + button under the Group Names list to create a new group

3) Add an app to a group by selecting the desired group, then click the + under the Apps list

If you don't select an apk file then there will be an empty folder in the data folder of your created zip with the apk's name where you should place the .apk manually (NOTE: If you add the apk manually make sure to remove all spaces from the file name. If added by the application spaces are removed automatically)

5) Flash your zip like any other in recovery

Download; http://goo.gl/7AU8v

Amazing, really!!

Cheers :)
[LG Optimus Black] Bakpoeder:
So i've tried this, and tbh, it's too much hassle to be really efficient if you only have a few apps that you use. (I'm using only 4 'non-standard) apps.

But if you have over 10 apps you want to keep each time you test out a new ROM, this is for you :)
[LG Optimus Black] ykumar00:
As i said, this is for people who change ROMS frequently. and the point of it being an AROMA package is that you can choose what to install while flashing the zip!
[LG Optimus Black] gopzzz:
Need Help

Hi,

How about in cases of kitkat... to install in prive - app folder....

and also I am not able to select my desired Phone model?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Sent from my GT-S5360
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Hey,i told my friend i will root and give his phone.As he is new to Android and i downloaded the root file(update.zip) But when i went to recovery mode by pressing(vol up,main,lock) and cliked on "update from SD card it says """"No sd card found"""So i taught a problem in SD card and formated it.Now i am in trouble my frnd is scolding me,It is not going to recovery mode taught of flashing it by ODIN.

SAVE MY LIFE

Sent from my GT-S5360
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Help me reply please...

Sent from my GT-S5360
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
Recovery is power+home button, not volume up+home+power ( it is ramdup mode ! ).

1) Place the root file in SD card, not under any folder for simplicity.

2) Make sure the SD is not damaged !!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
But it dosent go to recovery mode.If i do :+(

Sent from my GT-S5360
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
Power off your phone. Now hold both the earlier said buttons simultaneously. When something starts to appear on the screen, release only the power button while you still hold the home button. You'll be in recovery...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
How to go to download mode and gives the link how to flash stock from via Odin :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ApriliaM3:
Download mode on Galaxy Ace is accessed by holding down the following keys: Volume Down + Power + Home

You can even watch a video HERE so you don't need to read anything.

You can also watch a video HERE on how to flash a ROM using Odin.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
I tried it with diff sd card but it says " no such directory" when i click on apply update from sd card :(
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xJokerz:
dont unzip the update file after downloading. Just download update file, put it on your SD card (without extracting), hold the volume up + home + power button at the same time. than you most get in download mode (or whatever its called) install update from sd card, reboot.

p.s you may need to check "unknown sources" from your mobile settings.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBlackWolf:
Don't select apply update from SD, Instead select your file via choose zip from SD.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Hello if i go to recovery mode,click on apply update from SD card,it says 'file directory' not found :'(
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBlackWolf:
Select choose zip from SD not update from sd.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Ya i did the same,just mistyped it :'(
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBlackWolf:
Place that zip to another folder or try flashing using another SD card!!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Brother i tried every thng it dosent even go to download mode..
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
Hand over your phone to some other guy, whom you believe & knows ROOTING :p

Lord Buddha was the first guy who rooted his soul & gained super user access to his mind :D What busy box version did he use ? Any idea guys ?! Coz it was ENLIGHTENING !!!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
I rooted the phone thanks to you guys but after I wanted to instwal cynogen mod 10 but after installing succesfully now its got stuck in galaxy ace logo...wat to do help me..
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ApriliaM3:
How do you know it installed successfully if it hasn't booted?

Reboot into Recovery and clear cache and dalvik cache and reboot...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00438:
Hard-bricked :mad: leave it guys wasted a phone.How foolish ?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brewy:
Go to recovery mode do the 3 wipes and reboot and also follow the instructions from were you got your rom from and hard brick is were your phone is total powerless and no modes at all

Sent from my GT-S5830
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Ya dude doesnt go to download mode or recovery mode ...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
I had warned you before... Go to the service centre they'll fix it for you...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Now I have given it to local service center for repair for 600rs/-
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brewy:
In future before you start anything ask first and read forums then flash roms or what ever your wanting to do :) to avoid bricking your mobile

Sent from my GT-S5830
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
They may try jig our anything but if nothing works, you may have to pay more to replace the motherboard. And that would cost you a few thousands.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
How much does motherboard cost ??
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brewy:
More than the phone just buy a second hand ace off ebay or something were the motherboard is working
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
No. It might cost you at most 4000Rs.

@ OP : Wait for the samsung's response. They themselves will tell you the price in case...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Do i have any options to get into

download mode.Where in India do we get resistors ?? Whats the cost ?? To try USB gig method.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venomous Viper 119:
Looking at your experience level, I suggest that you personally do not try anything, as you might end up in a deeper trouble. Just leave the work to Samsung.