yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Chochiwpg:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

So good, I had it hot today without the ice, but on a hot day it's nice to have it with ice.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lichti1901:
Ok thanks. I´ll search for it on ebay to get all the stuff i nead :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lichti1901:
I can conter that :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

^^ :eek::what:

Don't know man, mine looked sort of cute. Yours is just......wrong!

Btw, warning for new visitors of the thread; it might deteriorate soon..:p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Chochiwpg:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

The filter you can get from any local Asian market. Then just buy a can of condensed milk to mix with the coffee. Use french roast beans if possible. :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yeah it's messed up my predictions. I tend to type gibberish more often. I thought the latest update fixed bugs but oh well.

Swiftkeyed using Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yeah, back to Swype for now. Also a brilliant keyboard. :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Knighthawk108:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I need to try this coffee, there's an Asian market not far from me, I'll go have a look after work :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Not too keen on Swype. I don't understand why it's still in beta phase.

Swiftkeyed using Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Beta is just a word, used however very often in ways no-one understands..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Halp! My battery stats are on energizer mode! It just keeps going...and going...and going.....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eep2378:
@lichti, did you ever figure our why Whitehawkx's repo wouldn't sync for you? Private?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lichti1901:
No i dont. Tried it 3 times, always asking for an github account, then password, then it uses the password as the new github account and asking for the password. A password for the password :confused: lol ...

Then freshly synced rasbean and that worked. So its not my fault ... :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jlear3:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Let it charge to 100% before unplugging it lol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jaysins:
Thai-tea is another good caffeinated beverage. Getting great battery life with this Kernel, noticeably better than 112b.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Change anything else on Rom or apps that could affect battery life?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Mauijpm:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

What kernel version are you on?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] allgsmnetwork:
Hi friends with latest best rom and new kernel trinity max benchmark with antutu? I sold my nexus 4 now I would like to buy back :good:

Thanks a lot :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

New nightly up: http://goo.im/devs/Whitehawkx/mako/aokp_mako_unofficial_Mar-29-13.zip
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] davwman:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

OK I'm done. I promise
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Lownita:
Read about this build in several threads now, what is so special about it? Can't find any infos.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

AOKP with bells and whistles. All the buzzwords; krait, bionic, the lot.

It's flying. Great battery & performance already as stock. Let alone with trinity..;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eep2378:
Dude, no offense but you post some ridiculous nonsense. Based on your history here(which has been rocky to say the least) you've made some pretty meaningless/indecipherable posts here. Now you come in with this?:eek: You've sold it and want to buy another one. But before you do you'd like to know best benchmark result? :confused:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

A picture is a worth a..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] davwman:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I thought he was a benchmark master?;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Has the recents bug been fixed yet? The one where the wrong app is shown
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I see fella has many fans in here. Not.

Maybe we shouldn't be too harsh..

(:banghead: Simms, your kindness is infectious..) :p

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Come again..?

Edit: that's how it looks like on yesterday's, looks fine to me..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] shockem:
Found this today http://nativeboinc.org/site/uncat/start .

It seems similar to folding@home thats available only for desktop. I think its cool and is something that should be supported. Thus im letting you guys know :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Don't see any fixes on recents merged in their gerrit afaik.

Swiftkeyed using Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deani77:
Just got my Nexus 4 to replaced my aging Nexus S... Time to use trinity kernel again...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Prepare for shock after using it.. :p

What rom will you rock?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

It's pretty random. Sometimes the 2nd oldest app will flash in the most recent app screen. Also the minimize animation doesn't always show. Every rom I've tried has this bug except PA :(
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I almost fell off the barstool… and I haven't had a drink yet
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deani77:
On my list was CM, PA, Slimbean and Rasbeanjelly... Does all of that ROM compatible with Trinity?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yep
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

All n4 kernels are compatible with any rom
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Start from the end, might save yourself some unnecessary flashing..;)

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Hm. No, everything seems fine here (now on the newest)..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Open the aosp browser, then recents, switch to another app, then recents. Nothing ?

Do you have animations turned on ?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] davwman:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yes sir. On point with that statement. Rasbean is the way to go
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Aha, there you go. No, I always turn them off. So much smoother then..:p

I'll test for you; all animations full on? (1X)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
yes, allgsmnetwork needs to be smothered with kindness.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Knighthawk108:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

LOL you've been saving them up haven't you :p.

Be civil guys, I kinda missed the obscure posts and trying to figure out what the f*** he was saying.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] davwman:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I'll start the smothering
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Knighthawk108:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I'll continue...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yea, so you get the bug?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
i turnt animation all off and i still had the recents bug. but it flickered must faster.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Nope! :)

Tried back and forth, killed all apps in recents, started again, all good!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Quite right. You never know when you are going to face his creator.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
[YOUTUBE]C3aFjQ8Emc4[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
R: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I am preparing for the party! See you tomorrow guys ;)

Have a nice evening!

Inviato dal mio Nexus 4 con Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] -viper-:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Carbon released 1.6 stable.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] android88:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Good luck! Don't get hit too hard ;).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
What kind of kernel does it ship with? :D

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Pics of all the bella donas please! ;)

Good luck
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] -viper-:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I think stock... Now I'll flash it.... But who cares... Trinity will be there... (Morfic I still w8 ur sig @ at least one Carbon release
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Hey man remember you from the tmo s2 forums your ROM was awesome!

[Nexus 4-RasBeanJelly(latest)Trinity four-body glove white case-xda app]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ninjafan:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

xda members have the greatest memes I've ever seen
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

:thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Reddit does as well!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kptnk:
To Simms, I just wanted to give you my 999th post ... that's all ;)

May this one give you luck :good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
Does anyone know if the latest whitehawkx has the recents menu bug/glitch where an app shows up when it shouldn't?

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I tested earlier, seems fixed. I'd never noticed it before and don't notice it now..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] builtboosted:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

What's the deal with other kernel apps having gamma1 gamma2 and the ability to set RGB in detail.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Simer03:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

The animation is back...that's the only thing I missed

Sent from my Google Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

AT&T commercial comes to mind:

"We want more, we want more"
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

We really like it!

[Nexus 4-RasBeanJelly(latest)Trinity four-body glove white case-xda app]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Simer03:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

But my parents just won't let me...

Sent from my Google Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
[YOUTUBE]48-tcRiBNj4[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] builtboosted:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Not asking for more. Just thinking is all the really necessary

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
did you need it before you knew that there was a little more?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deani77:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Always wonder where simms goes... He always here... :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] builtboosted:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Don't need it........ Asking what the purpose is.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

This is an Allegory of the Cave question and it is not pointing in your favor.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eep2378:
You are the undoubted master of words ending in "ory". First it was negatory, now it's allegory. You get one internetz! :highfive:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

XDA falters when Simms is not around, don't you know? :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
more like fine tuning i figure.

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they were faltering long before me :)

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jdrials:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

To those seeking a replacement for swiftkey, I have the answer

Kii Keyboard

I got in when it was beta so I guess I was grandfathered in on the premium stuff but it's worth every penny and then some.

End plug
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eep2378:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

OK I just flashed codefire X a few hours ago. This is hands down the fastest my N4 has ever been with 113b. Its very noticeable!

Sent from the Nodes of Ranvier
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I just finished downloading carbon. Sometimes I hate Nexus devices...:banghead:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Latest Carbon is lightning fast...too many ROMs for my phone to take in...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
I'll second the Code Fire X being the fastest. Just wish that Open Master had less bugs :(

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trueblueram:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

What are the most prominent ones?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eep2378:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Security in settings FC's. Nav bar adjustments reset after reboot. Not huge bugs but they happen.

Sent from the Nodes of Ranvier
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
Weird things... Sometimes root access doesn't work, and root access apps can't create folders, so no busybox/trickstermod.

Settings>Security FC's

No matter the Gapps flashed, the setup never appears.

It's amazingly fast though :DDD Just wish I could install busybox :(

Connor Baker

Night All! Going to bed...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trueblueram:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Sounds OK.... Nave bar thing is a problem though.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] I2IEAILiiTY:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Bioshock Infinite was so facking awesome.

I'm ready for another playthrough.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] reaper000:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

The deal breaker for me was inability to use Titanium Backup Pro to restore apps.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Chochiwpg:
You can't use Titanium Backup Pro to restore backups on CodeFireX?

I have wanted to try CFX and Carbon for a while now, but reading through the threads there seems to be a lot of weird/odd problems and issues so that's the main reason I didn't. They look pretty cool and supposed to be very fast. But I would want everything to work on the ROM as it's intended is all, more stable I guess.

Gonna give the new SlimBean a try today and see how that goes. Just after I do my morning workout. Talk to you guys in a bit. :good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nikzDHD:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Interesting typing this on Kii and it sure does feel good, long time SwiftKey user never had any issues with it always open to new stuff.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Pedro Peguero Jr.:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Good morning all!

Off to the international car show in New York City!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trismegistos:
AW: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Carbon is really stable.. You can use it as daily driver
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Chochiwpg:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Thanks, I will take another look. Tried SlimBean this morning and for some reason I had to number of issues right off the bat. Back on ParanoidAndroid for the time being.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Just downloaded Kii it's amazing never looking back :D

[Nexus 4-RasBeanJelly(latest)Trinity four-body glove white case-xda app]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Good afternoon guys!

Spectacular party last night, I don't remember a lot of things but I really had fun... I just hope not to be finished in embarrassing photos :laugh:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Hangover advise worked..?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Carbon is amazing. Using it right now. Only main bug is the recent app lag.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Oh yes they worked!

Slept like a baby and no hangover consequences this morning, you guys saved me :victory:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Wait! What is this advise again? Might come in handy in the future..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nikzDHD:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yeah it's really good, feels faster than SwiftKey and loads of options.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Seen it's Saturday & long weekend, I'll quote it again. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trueblueram:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

M on cfx now. Only bug which bugs me is the whatsapp fc (till now). Don't know if it's placebo but it's really snappy (moved from whitehawkx 29th)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I'm not a power user so I do not play with every feature a ROM has, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I currently have no problems with carbon. There certain things that are better implemented on rbj but there are certain things I miss in rbj that are in carbon.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
do a lot of u use trickster mod app or the trinity tool box? cant decide which one to use.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I use both. Bought the tkt app though to support further development of this masterpiece of a kernel!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
trinity kernel toolbox is best :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] galaxys:
Trying to dl tf112b last few days, but its not working for me?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
use both ? :confused:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Not at the same time. :p

I do from time to time try other kernels, they don't all have their own app, so trickster is for that. Very good app.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
are you downloading from my link or from derkernel.com? my link to 112b is dead now since it was moved to derkernel.com officially. or you can grab 113b from my twitter :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] reaper000:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Lo

Carbon is my default, but Cfx was at one point. Someone suggested a way to get TiBu working with the newest version of Cfx so I'm gonna try that now.

EDIT: well, that does work. However, I soon hit another dealbreaker -- Trickster Mod doesn't work with Cfx. Now granted, I can use TKT since I bought it to support Morfic, but then I would hit other roadblocks with Wallet or Search. Cfx is just not worth it for me.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] darll:
I just flashed the trinity kernel on my Nexus 4 and i noticed that the sound quality with headphones is not as sharp as it used to be. It sounds grainy.

Is this normal?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

So guys should I buy the xda premium app or the tapatalk app??

[Nexus 4-RasBeanJelly(latest)Trinity four-body glove white case-xda app]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] android88:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Tapatalk. It has many more forums ;).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] chinthekng:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Tapatalk it's so worth it. So many forums on one plus I just like it better than the xda app
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
its fine here. volume was boosted, so if its not as sharp as before try lowering the volume a little.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Thanks man :D

[Nexus 4-RasBeanJelly(latest)Trinity four-body glove white case-xda app]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nikzDHD:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Tapatalk without a doubt offers much more than the XDA app and you can save your settings and use it on any of your droid devices and such, and a whole host of supported forums.

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Try lowering the volume, on high volumes I find it distorts but when I lower it sounds better also depends on the headphones used I use iems so they sit deep into my ears and can get away with lower volumes.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I bought it Im glad I did :good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] chinthekng:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ2aHWT176A&feature=youtube_gdata_playerOk, I'm trying to ask this girl in my class to prom and I decided to sing to her and I wanted to know you guys opinion on singing this song but changing up the lyrics a little
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Nice.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

http://goo.im/devs/Whitehawkx/mako/aokp_mako_unofficial_Mar-30-13.zip
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I even bought unlimited image upload in tapatalk, price wasn't enough to cry over for the convenience.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I also used trickster first but after a few days of using trinity I went and bought trinity kernel toolbox because I wanted to support the dev and show my thanks

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yes! Do it! And get video of it and post. Such a great and unique way to ask.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] HitBobLer:
How long does this take to settle
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
same answer as in the gnex thread, for battery about 2-3 battery cycles ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

A couple of them.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

No matter where you ask, it'll be 2-3 full battery cycles.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jdrials:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I'm setting up a new build environment and had planned on using Python 2.7 but see there's a 3.3

Should I move on up? :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I have no idea, I rarely build android, and Python doesn't concern me for kernels
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Simer03:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Does anyone ever reboot or reboot to recovery via tkt widget? Settings force close every time

Sent from my Google Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yea that force close on me. Also, even if I add the fix permissions file to bin and/or xbin the fix permissions doesn't work from TKT app either.

But whatever. I only got TKT to support morfic and to play with the colors
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] XupModz:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I'd love to be able to build but don't have a comp with enough power
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Pedro Peguero Jr.:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Just got back from the international New York City Auto Show, will post some sick looking walls of some nice cars!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Not much needed for a phone kernel
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ninjafan:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Hey guys do you overclock at all? If I do even to 1.6 ghz my phone like burns my hand within like 2 min. I'm a noob so it could just be that too