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[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
Lol, the newest Ubuntu has moved on from that. You need at least 1 GB of RAM now whereas before it used to be 512 MB min. I think. They even dropped support for installing from CDs, as the image size is over 800 MB. You can still install from DVD or USB though.

Ubuntu decided it was time to catch up to the mainstream OSs, and in doing so made the hardware requirements slightly more demanding. But that's why we have derivatives like Lubuntu and Xubuntu, with the former requiring less than 300 MB of RAM to run. Perhaps we might see a sort of "Lubuntu Touch" in the future?
[Ubuntu Touch General] jadephyre:
Which is weird since Unity is graphically less demanding than Gnome 3.x

sent from my N7
[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
Unity may be graphically less demanding, but with all the new features they keep implementing it probably needs the extra RAM. I got 4 GB though so I'm good.
[Ubuntu Touch General] jadephyre:
Well, everyone who bought a PC in the last 3 years should have enough RAM for Ubuntu... even though 16GB might be a little much xD
[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
No such thing as too much lol. The requirements haven't increased so much that a weak Toshiba Satellite a200 Series (2006 laptop) can't run 13.04 at a decent speed.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Maave:
A full distro on my phone would be sweet. It opens up for a lot more ROM hacking than an Android build does. You could run pre-existing Linux applications, that's what everybody has been trying to do since the dawn of Android. I have Debian build running in a chroot on my phone but using graphical programs means running though VNC. This is much more like the N900.

Anybody know of Open Pandora? It's a portable computer/console meant for running emulators. They have a Linux distro on there by default but the interface is poor for general program use because it's a traditional UI, close and minimize buttons are so tiny that they're hard to press on the touchscreen. It's only great for running the emulators. There's an Android ROM for it, so now you can use general-purpose apps but then you lose all the optimized emulators. If you put Ubuntu Touch on there and you'd have touch friendly app and the ability to run programs and emulators, possibly even with a tweaked window manager that puts the close/minimize/etc buttons in the swipe-up menu.

But I think that swipe-and-hold navigation is absolutely horrible. Releasing a finger to activate a task, on a touch screen or with a mouse or otherwise, is just asking for screw ups. People will to unintentionally lift, or to lift at and angle and hit the wrong thing, or twitch when they lift. It doesn't look very comfortable on fingers either.

Very fortunately for us homebrew is alive and well. Android has a million launchers available and so will this.

This should be pretty cool.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
Wait up, Ubuntu is touch and hold? I can see why that would mess some people up. But I thought you just swipe in from the edges to activate the controls and that's it. You actually have to keep your finger on the screen? I'm sure there will be some sort of option for it.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Maave:
In all the demos I've seen, the person using it always swipes and keeps the finger on the screen as he moves up and down the app list. Swipe, keep holding, slide, release. The app selector on the left side does this and the notification/setting selector does it.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
Both make sense, the status bar settings in particular. I don't think it'll be much of an issue, especially with how easy it is to switch between apps. If there is a setting for the Unity Launcher bar to toggle press and hold that would probably avoid too much confusion, but the whole thing is so different from the tried and true (and if you ask me, boring) approach both Android and iOS use that we'll just have to wait and see how much of an issue it is, if at all.
[Ubuntu Touch General] setfly95:
This will probably fail miserably unless the cost of the phones are super low because there app store is going to be very small, even if there were a way to get android apps on it( i dont know if there is or not) it would more than likely require the same type of thing blackberry does and normal smartphone users dont know what an apk is or how to find one. And how will the average smartphone user survive without an official instagram app, i think thats why blackberry isnt doing so hot in the smartphone market. Thats how stupid todays consumers have become they wont buy an obviously superior operating system because they cant share pictures of their meals with it. I love android and i would probably love ubuntu on my phone i also loved blackberry but the average person will never even own anything but an iphone.
[Ubuntu Touch General] i-HaBiB:
oooooooooooooooooh tnx very good:cowboy:
[Ubuntu Touch General] x1123:
I agree, iPhone will be maintain their market for premium users and android "for everybody". Market have been growing and will be a space for ubuntu touch and firefox. Btw i flashed today and 3G data is working now. on Galaxy Nexus. Mean ubuntu is "complete" working phone in basic : Texting, Voice Call, Cell Data, Camera all working. Bit laggy :D
[Ubuntu Touch General] The_Steam_Pug:
Ports for other devices

Are there existing ports of Ubuntu Touch for other devices or are they being made!?

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I agree but the market might change for the better, lets just watch and learn for now though :fingers-crossed:
[Ubuntu Touch General] fuzzy7k:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[Ubuntu Touch General] -Fabione-:
I'm still waiting for an official release for the nexus 5, i think it have more potential that a nexus 4 or a galaxy nexus
[Ubuntu Touch General] Muncherino:
I'm curious in making a Galaxy Note 3 port, but I hear the bootloader can be quite difficult to deal with.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Franzferdinan51:
So here's the real question what happens when they stop letting android users convert there phones is that crazy talk or is it actually something that will eventually happen
[Ubuntu Touch General] satudarah:
re1030

:good:
[Ubuntu Touch General] Yehia2amer:
True, ubuntu needs to do some good steps to ubuntu touch !
[Ubuntu Touch General] mhall119:
Ubuntu is, and always will be, free. There won't be anything to stop you from porting it to any device you want, as long as you can make it work.

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It was in the early releases last year, but has since switched so that swiping from the side exposes the Launcher, but you have to tap an icon to activate it. The Indicators too (top panel) are exposed with a swipe down, but can then be switched to using the tabs across the top just like in apps or the Dash.
[Ubuntu Touch General] cmltskrn:
Needs more device

I think ubuntu touch needs more supported device. Waiting for lg g2...
[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
Either go port it yourself or convince someone in your forum to do it for you, because it's impossible for Canonical to port their unfinished work to every Android device, even the most popular ones.
[Ubuntu Touch General] alighilzai:
I hope when xda developers will start making custom roms for ubuntu for different devices only then i will try this otherwise Android has taken lead
[Ubuntu Touch General] unjip:
hope, ubuntu touch port come soon,

actually what device that actually use ubuntu touch?
[Ubuntu Touch General] RumoredNow:
Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2013 - WiFi Only model) and Nexus 10 are currently supported by Ubuntu for Devices...

Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 (2012 - WiFi Only model) have been dropped from development, but can still run old images.

Here is the list of community efforts, most of which seem to have slowed down after the initial race to make unofficial ports. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices

Note that Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013 - WiFi+LTE) builds are hosted on a server run by a community member and get OTA updates and should be current with mainline build numbers.
[Ubuntu Touch General] ShredCreature:
Personally, I think this is no epic fail, but I think canonical is doing what so many times happens in Linux... Reinventing the wheel. By the time they go live with it, Android will be so far ahead that the very few unique features Ubuntu touch may bring to the table will be shadowed by the many challenges it will have to face.

I hope they get lucky and have support, but I doubt it.
[Ubuntu Touch General] calebcabob:
I hope to get it for the original MDK Verizon Galaxy S4 - the one you can really root proper!
[Ubuntu Touch General] johns86:
amazing

whoever thought to run ubuntu on a phone. genius.

Im using a 7 year old laptop I just put ubuntu on because windows is just so full of hot garbage
[Ubuntu Touch General] frecel:
I would say that Ubuntu Touch is quite the opposite of reinventing the wheel since Ubuntu Touch is just Ubuntu with slightly different UI. All of the major components of the OS are the same as on Ubuntu for desktops or servers.
[Ubuntu Touch General] domini99:
Ubuntu touch is (for now) dead. And I'm not expecting much from it. On my device (Galaxy S2) there is an incomplete port, and the developers stopped porting since UbTouch is this dead.

On the devices with active ports, it's still unusable. Nobody seems interested in making apps for it, there is no X11 to make it run ARM desktop packages, and it doesn't support Dalvik.

If only it would support Dalvik, I would install it again.

Sent from my iSending thing..

Oh I know how to cook; you put food in a pan and light it on fire #learnfromtheprofessional
[Ubuntu Touch General] Alucai Vivorvel:
It's funny, my tablet is one of the few officially supported devices, and I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch in the past on it. But I'd sooner make an app for my Windows Phone than Ubuntu Touch, were I ever to get an idea in my head of what to make.
[Ubuntu Touch General] RumoredNow:
It is absolutely amazing how much momentum they have let run down into apathy since this idea launched in the beginning of 2013. Lots of hype, lots of media attention, lots of enthusiasm from... well... enthusiasts. Remember the hopes that surrounded the Ubuntu Edge? Remember how they were going to launch dedicated devices? Remember desktop when docked?

Now you can hear the crickets chirping.

Don't get me wrong, I still love the idea. I'm still keeping my eye on it. There just has been such a long wait for the fruit to ripen.

Firefox OS and Jolla Sailfish have really come on strong and made themselves credible. Ubuntu for Devices is still skulking around in the shadows. It needs to come out into the light of day SOON.
[Ubuntu Touch General] happyassshit:
Got a ZTE Open C and Firefox OS is total crap. No fun at all. Don't know Sailfish.
[Ubuntu Touch General] domini99:
I want to try sailfish but there's no Galaxy s2 port available afaik.

iPhoned from my tapatalk using sent. God please fix my s2's battery life. Want my S2 back

Oh I know how to cook; you put food in a pan and light it on fire #learnfromtheprofessional
[Ubuntu Touch General] RumoredNow:
I agree, Firefox OS is no fun. Tried it via multiROM on my Nexus 4. It's like a feature phone OS.

The point was not how good / bad the other start up OSes are, rather how much progress they have made since announcing and in that arena FF and Sailfish have both blown away Ubuntu for Devices which seems to just be dragging along at this point and in no real hurry of:

Creating a final release beyond Alpha / Beta testing

Securing an OEM and releasing a dedicated phone into the market

Sailfish, however is worth looking into if you have a Nexus 4. It's based on meego/maemo/mer and is heavily gesture driven. Their N4 Image is on the 3rd release for Early Adopters and is making progress alongside the main Sailfish image for their dedicated hardware phone. Search YouTube for some videos of Sailfish in action and check this thread: http://xdaforums.com/nexus-4/general/april-17-sailfish-os-adopters-released-t2667622
[Ubuntu Touch General] domini99:
I tried firefox os too. Its useless.

But im really interested in sailfish os, but afaik there's no port for my device :(
[Ubuntu Touch General] RumoredNow:
Wrong thread... Look here: http://xdaforums.com/nexus-4/general/april-17-sailfish-os-adopters-released-t2667622

Even though it is for N4 there is info about IRC chat from devs, info from Jolla and talk about the HADK (Hardware Adaptation Development Kit) that is being worked on. Once the HADK arrives it will allow a port to any device which has a Cyanogenmod image. (There may be a limit to CM 10.x... Wait for details.)

Also, check out the Sailfish forum.
[Ubuntu Touch General] mhall119:
All of Ubuntu's progress has happened in the open, so it seems like it's taken longer because you've seen more of it.

Sent from my awesome Ubuntu Touch device using the Forum Browser app
[Ubuntu Touch General] MrPutuLips:
Is Ubuntu Touch still a thing? Is it being developed still?
[Ubuntu Touch General] nikwen:
Actual phones will be shipped later this year so it's definitely still "a thing".

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[Ubuntu Touch General] domini99:
Even Firefox OS seems more alive. But I haven't taken the effort on building it to my device. (Although I got the sources and know where to start)
[Ubuntu Touch General] mesquka:
Are there any phone, or even and roumors of phones running touch?
[Ubuntu Touch General] nikwen:
Besides the developer previews for the Nexus devices, actual Ubuntu phones will come later this year: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/02...tners-to-ship-ubuntu-phones-around-the-globe/

Meizu confirmed that its first Ubuntu phone will come in December: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Meiz...-Touch-Release-for-December-2014-458782.shtml
[Ubuntu Touch General] killer_creature:
Getting closer to that date, I actually flashed it on my Nexus and it worked near flawlessly.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Lowena:
I have a Nexus 5 and am dual booting Ubuntu Touch, and I love it! I wish there were more features and apps. If there were, I'd possibly use it as my daily driver over Lollipop. I like Sailfish a lot, but it doesn't have active updates like Ubuntu Touch for the Nexus 5 (even though it's unofficial it gets very regular updates through MultiROM) and the most recent ROM for Sailfish, beta 3 or whatever it is, the app store is completely broken for me. I can't download any apps, and I can't even install packages from the alternate store, so it's not much use yet. I do love the UI control and aesthetic though.

And of course I tried Firefox OS. I hated it. xD
[Ubuntu Touch General] nikwen:
[MENTION=5028141]Lowena[/MENTION] What features are you especially looking forward to?

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[Ubuntu Touch General] Lowena:
Since I text and type a lot on websites and such I'd love to have gesture typing. I can't stand to type with my thumbs. That's the main thing I'd love to have. It would be nice to have native apps like Facebook and Chrome, and while I doubt those would happen they are not necessary. Also, Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5 is still a bit glitchy and slow, even using the RTM-proposed build, so it can be frustrating to use. Although the RTM build seems to be less glitchy than the vivid builds. Also, OTA updates don't seem to work more than one time, and the battery still drains very quickly, even when undervolting my phone.

Other than those things I love it. Especially since it's in Basque. :D

I wish I could program better than just hello world apps, I'd love to do something for Ubuntu Touch.

While I'm here, maybe you won't mind me asking a question: How do you turn off vibrate on touch?
[Ubuntu Touch General] nikwen:
Yeah, a native Facebook app is indeed unlikely to appear soon. I've seen some talk about a gesture keyboard on the ubuntu-phone mailing-list though. However, I don't know whether there are any plans to implement it soon.

Have you tried the ubuntu-rtm/devel channel? It should be the most stable one out there. Those are well-tested builds from the proposed channel.

The OTA issue is probably related to the N5 port you are using, or it comes from the filesystem corruption issue which they fixed a few weeks ago. If that's the reason, it should work fine now.

How do you undervolt your phone by the way?

Developing apps for Ubuntu is relatively easy compared to, let's say, Android. QML is an awesome programming language. Check it out! ;)

http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/

If you're interested in contributing to the system, you can also help translate it into your language or file bugs for the issues you are running into. This help is really needed. Feel free to ask if you need more information on this. ;)

Vibration can partly be disabled in the keyboard settings in the settings app. There's an option for disabling keyboard vibration. ;)

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[Ubuntu Touch General] laurenjh:
Well, here's to hoping it gets implemented soon! Using gesture typing is the only bearable way for me to type on a smartphone.

I should try that one. It is the most stable of course, but also the just updated. Just like any software I guess. Gotta find a balance between updates and stability. Yeah, OTA updates seem to be working fine for me now. On build 145 of rtm-proposed the OTA updates wouldn't work, but after a clean install of 147 is been working fine since, so that's great news. I undervolted using the ElementalX kernel. Otherwise Ubuntu Touch makes my phone very warm.

Yeah, I installed Ubuntu on my laptop and got the SDK to learn some things and see how that goes. :) I have started helping translate it into Basque, and i could definitely start filing bugs. What is the site to submit bug reports? But, since the Nexus 5 isn't officially supported, would it even be worth it/help to submit bugs?

And I did find the seeing to turn off the keyboard vibration, bit not vibration elsewhere. That is a feature that should probably be added!

Are you a developer of Ubuntu Touch? Or an avid supporter?
[Ubuntu Touch General] nikwen:
[MENTION=6131453]laurenjh[/MENTION]

I'm surprised undervolting works that way on Ubuntu. I wouldn't have thought that.

The vibration issue (which I once heard someone referring to as the "vibration madness") would indeed be worth a bug report.

The page where you can file bugs for a package is always linked to on the project's Launchpad page. The link is in the same row where the link to the tranlation page is sitting.

Here is for example the page for the system settings: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings

And this is the one for the keyboard: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard

It may be difficult in the beginning to find the right packages to report against in the beginning, so if you are unsure, feel free to ask. ;)

I don't think it will be harmful to report bugs appearing on the Nexus 5, but please state which device you are using in the bug description.

It depends on what you call an Ubuntu developer. If you mean someone who gets paid for his work, then I'm not. If you imclude people who spend their free time on improving the software, then you can count me in.

Additionally, I'm working on some apps for the platform. Maybe give my Forum Browser app a go. It's on the front page of the store. ;)

Sent from my awesome Ubuntu Touch device using the Forum Browser app
[Ubuntu Touch General] Lowena:
Whoops, apparently I signed into a different account by accident!

It's possible that undervolting it is only a placebo effect. x)

Thank you for the helpful information. I can't guarantee I'll get to doing much with Ubuntu Touch, but if I do I will help as much as possible.

I did see your Forum Browser app and a couple others in the store. :D
[Ubuntu Touch General] nikwen:
You're welcome. Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. ;)
[Ubuntu Touch General] Jack Harper:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/canonical-china-mobile-team-ubuntu-phone-innovation-contest

BQ will launch Ubuntu Phone in February 2015, probably on Aquaris E4.5 which is a pretty decent phone for 149.90 EUR (quad core 1.3 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 4.5" IPS 540x960, 8 mpx, Mali400 GPU, dual SIM, SD card slot), good choice as it is affordable for people to adopt it as their primary or secondary phone. Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu will likely follow around the same time. I am so buying that BQ Ubuntu Phone, when phones launch the number of available applications is likely to rise fast, though for an OS that has no phones on sale at the moment Ubuntu Touch has a decent choice of applications, especially since China Mobile took interest in the platform and is having a contest for Ubuntu development. China Mobile is the largest telecom in the world, if they adopt Ubuntu Phone and offer it to their users that would be awesome for Ubuntu Touch. If BQ and Meizu phones sell decently, and I hope they will, maybe some other telecoms from Canonical's Carrier Advisory Group will also step up and offer Ubuntu phones.
[Ubuntu Touch General] fetto666:
In theory, but the Android SDK has been optimized over time for high performance on a mobile plattform - has it not?

On ubuntu, this would depend a lot more on the capabilities of the developer. But maybe they will not be limited like on Android SDK either, so maybe it's a good thing.

I'm curious how Canonial would control the occurrences of spyware, viruses and other malware on this platform?

Guess i'll just have to wait.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Ace42:
I doubt all the app developers take full advantage of the hardware.
[Ubuntu Touch General] FlamingGoat:
I'd love a proper Linux distro on my phone, I already run Debian on my phone and tablet using complete linux installer but it's a bit too awkward and ungainly.

I had great hopes for Maemo back in the day and loved the n900 but Nokia blew it. I'd like this to be successful but think depending on carriers who will only want to lock it down means the odds are against it. Having Android app compatibility would also be vital.
[Ubuntu Touch General] TingTingin:
They won't have Android app compatibility that would be like Android being compatible with IOS apps if it does get it it will be via the xda community unless they come to some kind of agreement with Google

Phone Slow? go HERE

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[Ubuntu Touch General] chizeron:
Well I just unlocked bootloader and flashed a custom rom. I guess the next stage is to do dualboot. (I cant give up Cm10 just yet ;) ) However this makes me drool. I've already started to consider to get Ubuntu for my laptop anyhow (I might wanna do dualboot there to though :P)

I See pure win in the future though.
[Ubuntu Touch General] kristoff125:
If I could dual boot this I'd love it, shame the N4 only has 16 gigs. If I could split my phone 8gigs android 8gigs this I'd love it, but apparently you need 32 with a SD card for the full experience.
[Ubuntu Touch General] dejan16v:
From presentation of Ubuntu phone I see that the idea is to get one system fully compatibile with PC and other devices. Great.

It will take us a long way to make this happened but we all have to believe and support as much as we can.

App developers will have the suitable tools for their work and I am sure that developing will grow by the time.

My concern are business rivals, they will try to kill the idea (to make more profit). None of them like FREE and friendly system.