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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
Press renders of the moto x have a semi transparent navbar?

Isnt this phone made by google and so shouldn't it run pure aosp?

typed from my NeXuS 4 beasting Matr1x kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
more info.. http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/07/21/att-moto-x/

its made by motorola. its not a nexus or an aosp device, like the google play variants of the s4 or htc one.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
:/ ohhh i like that semi transparency but... I prefer to have a nexus! Haha

typed from my NeXuS 4 beasting Matr1x kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
this would turn me off if i wasnt only buying nexus devices..

from that article i linked

"Motorola wants this phone to be affordable, so it doesn't sport high-end flagship specs"
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
Actually if it comes out it really has that 1.7ghz dual core pre-A15 (s4 pro), i think thats enough for now....

I still think that s4 plus on american s3's is actually still good, only the gpu i a down side on that chip.

One day a recorded my cpu stats, and even playing RR3. I never used all four cpres for long...

I think this race for more cores and higher and higher frequencies a bit unecessary... I would like to see more optimization right from stock with no need of root (somewhat lile google is doing with 4.3 and preparing android 5).

In conclusion, 1.7 ghz dual core based of pre-A15 is IMO very capable. The good part about this phone is the hands free capabilities that seemed to me pretty impressive

typed from my NeXuS 4 beasting Matr1x kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] superbobup:
I actually like what moto is doing...making it less about specs and all about experience. Day to day, people just want their phones to have enough battery and efficiently do what they need it to do...whether that means it happens with an octa core or a single core phone makes no difference to them
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I praise them for picking that SoC. In the mobile high end it is now in the same place as the pc industry in the 90s and the early 2000s. The ghz race. But it is also the core races.

You see it everywhere. People read the specs of the box. Oh more cores, higher clocks... Blah blah.

I got no problem with them using a dual core krait 300. Which is the same core in the high end SoC.

Anybody that's willing to take on this stupid trend is good. Like usual the only player in the mobile space that does it right is apple. So much so that they got so fed up with the SoC vendors they built their own.

When this thing comes out and it's reviewed etc. Expect to not be able to tell any difference at all between the it and the snapdragon 600 chips except for in benchmark scores. Hell you just might even see better day to day performance if it doesn't throttle as much.

I am absolutely sick of the specs pissing match that is going on. It is currently still a perfectly viable option to get a dual core processor in laptop today, but it's taboo to use one in a smartphone.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tatnai:
truth and truth.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Zainiak:
this is one of the most interesting videos I've seen in a while

What if you were born in space?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTL_sJycQAA
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
right.

but i would prefer a little of your truth, plus a little of my truth, and some fantasy mixed together. just like i prefer to dip my french fries into helmans mayonnaise :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
You disgusting old man.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
You are too German for me :/
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
As much as I liked my sgs3, people will love that Moto with newer gpu.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Anyway, that 2 cores procesor bencarks really high, and using just 2 cores should drain less battery, definitely something to check because smartphone's battery is nonsense today.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
And a newer cpu core. Qualcomm's naming scheme can be confusing. So why this next statement is false, it's something people can understand. It's a dual core s600.

This is all assuming that the actual part number that has been leaked is in the device. There have been conflicting reports but most of them and have been from crappy apps or clueless leakers.

2x krait 300 @ 1.7 ghz and adreno 320 ( clocks I don't know / remember). Not the same chip that's in a device like the first or HTC mini. With the krait 200 and a adreno 305.

MSM8960Pro is what is in the moto x as far as I know.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
Manhattan sunset in HDR, from a moving car..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deani77:
Wow... so quite today... no post for period more than 9 hours :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Its all simms22 fault. He is out there dealing with my phone is hot people.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
And taking lots of pictures ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I took two videos myself. The dog gets startled by farts and well... Yeah.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] flaviocc:
yesterday....

first HDR mode

second sunset mode
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
maybe i should start a why is my phone so cold thread, to counterweight the my phone is overheating at human body temp threads..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
[MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION]

Why is my phone so cold? ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
are you sending that one in to funniest home videos?

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looks like i will be spending some time at the beach tomorrow..!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
You could. It would be funny. There is just as many dingbats in the dev sections. If not more. They just can't make, well keep their own threads open.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
It would be better to troll them saying that yours really overheats, and then posting a pic of that girl whose S3 exploded. xD
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
1. you dont use it enough, it gathers dust instead of finger prints

2. you live in the Antarctic

3. you keep the a/c in your place on high 100% of the time, to keep you "friends" from decomposing

4. you forgot your phone in the freezer after getting distractex by a phone call

5. your phone is a 2002 flip phone
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I wonder if those devices get the same overheating stuff. They should I can barely deal with all the special education people on a nexus forum. I just can't even look at mainstream phone like the galaxy.

Amoled in the summer. Use phone outside. Turn up brightness to full so you can see it. And then it auto dims because it's to hot.

Man I hate amoled.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
3 & 5 , Kudos, your the only other person who's just as jolly when they wake, as I. Going to walk and grab a coffee, anything in this heat (later on today) that I could post here for some nice photography?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
post nice photography :)

im on my way to work, late 19 minutes..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
I'm pretty sure all this heat thing is present in every device with qualcomm new chips. Lol i remember that video of the "butter test" where they showed how their soc (s4 pro) performs very cool. I bet they capped max freq and of course, they did it with screen off, what it is obviously cheating.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Hi guys!

It's all ok?

I am really excited for the 24th Google's "breakfast", let's wait and see :fingers-crossed:

Here two pics of the place where I was yesterday, really peaceful and fresh :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] heX79:
So I finally caved to the plethora of features that is Paranoid Android 3.68. Really enjoying the ROM so far, very snappy on TF133 @ 1836! I haven't really flashed much since getting this device, went straight to RBJ and TF133 30 mins after unboxing, literally. It was stock long enough to unlock the bootloader, boot a recovery and do a stock ROM nandroid, lol..

:)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Its nothing to do with qualcomm. Well not just them. What I was talking about was amoled.

And as far as chips go. Samsung is the absolute worse. They are the leader of the pack with this stupidity. Their octa core in the international s4 is the biggest fail I have seen since I started following mobile chips. That chip alone explains everything that is wrong with the smartphone mobile SoC right now.

Edit. And so does the Qualcomm version. Samsung in general are just fools with the chips
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Zainiak:
Ot: look what I just got :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Saiger:
i hope ill get mine tomorrow :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Zainiak:
so far, all i;ve done is go through the orientation. coolest thing ever lol. I cant do much more right now because the servers are getting hammered and the download is very slow
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Maybe some of you tried to oc your computer so probably you can help me, since it should be the same as for phones.

If I'm not wrong, there are 2 ways to oc: raising FSB freq and increasing multiplier. If I increase fsb freq but I use same multiplier, should I increase cpu voltage too?

I'm clearing cmos right now, I really miss my old mb with dual bios. :(

CC: [MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] [MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
i have no idea, i dont oc my piece of poop laptop :eek:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
What chip....newer Intels have pretty limited ability in moving the FSB.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
If both options are available to be tweaked, ie fsb or multiplier. I'd just bump the multiplier up a tick at a time. It's easier than fsb where you might mess with memory timings or voltages for stability. Make sure that your bios is updated and default settings and have a go at it

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Oh, btw hope you have proper cooling
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] superbobup:
Can't really fault them can you? People always want more. More cores, higher clock speed, etc. It's what sells to people and that's really all a business wants to do.

I do agree with you that many of these chip makers SEEM to be moving in the wrong direction...but there's a lot going on internally that us outsiders don't know about.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
I have one question, my experience of Android Development , that it's starting to

go a little backwards. Before we had anything fine tuned to a stable OC' on single core kernel level broad spectrum, there were so many things to fix and sources that were never given ( Gb did to all those devices I'm sure.) We didn't have "the masses" , on every device, mods didn't have to regulate if ( applicable) &Yes;

There will always be something to talk about

:) Are we going to be seeing anything with a higher promise for an OS update past 5.0— where the cores of the device won't be limited; by that meaning true mastership of LTE and Qualcomm combining to make a device possibly that of 5 cores, one virtual core, perhaps just five, and if not that , well then four. Glad I don't have Verizon.

Knowledge is power, thanks for taking my question. :D:thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Yup, this would be my SoC of choice. Unfortunately, it is unlikely to happen. You misled another race - screen size. Dual core at 1.8GHz with 4.5" screen in less 63mm width would be the best combo for me. Unfortunately, the spec sheet won't read good next to S(hit)4.

Also the number of core race was equivalent to the PC market of not so long ago. Fortunately, mainstream sticks with 4 for now.

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Nah. It's always Vangelis fault... regardless!:D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] CerB:
What roms are you nice friendly people rocking these days ?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] qu3becker:
RasSaber+ or rasbeanjelly.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Still CarbonRom and likely to stay that way.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Whichever way you OC, you change the frequency of the CPU, increase the voltage only if it doesn't boot or isn't running stable.

Increasing voltage just to avoid a clearing of the cmos would needlessly raise your temperatures.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Tom540:
MBQ's UXylon nightlies atm, pretty fast and smooth.

By the way, what does everyone think about Halo being a security risk? On the CodefireX thread Synergy, one of the developers, said (about Halo) "I can't believe all that roms that have merged it considering it contains a *huge* tapjacking exploit."
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Give the masses a true A15 and they will be happy with a dual core phone.

Question is how successful it would be with the unknowledgeable masses.

But proper PR buzzwording could sell them as the phone would be popular once people got their fingers on them and reported how awesome it was.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Ok all......project PSX (Pure Speed eXperiment) is official! Many thanks to all of you who helped me with this and supported me through all the hiccups. This Rom will be dedicated to speed and performance, it will however have many useful additions you can view in the changelog. My intent is to keep this "stock" looking and because of that wont add anything that compromises that or looks forced in. My hope is to make this a simple, elegant, and FAST!!! Rom.

Clean wipe is recommended coming from any Rom. A very minimal GApps package is included, I didnt see the point of a full 300MB install each time and most (nearly all) of the apps are available in the Store. Everything needed to get you up and running is there and this will be my format going forward.

The name change was necessary (to me anyway) because this is no longer "Saberized". I am now using Googles GCC 4.6 toolchain just like AOSP. I did extensive testing and got lots of feedback from many of you and was convinced this would perform every bit as good as any other toolchain, Linaro, or other related addition. i was right, thanks to many Dalvik and Bionic commits this performs at least as well as any Ive tried. I'll let you guys be the ultimate judge though.

Look for a dedicated thread on XDA soon....maybe this week yet, and all updates will be made here as well. As you know, I love feedback and will do all I can to accommodate requests (as long as it doesnt compromise my intentions with this) and will continue to pursue new items as I can.

Changelog is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zje4sKvs8BT6lImPb5tgVWYpHlOOZhdUDSm0lesFWQA/edit?usp=sharing

Rom here https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzX_bRKRGmexQ3huRkVqTG5RaG8&usp=sharing

Mako is the only one up for now, but expect Grouper, Toro, and Maguro to join it later today.....

Make sure you buckle up tight!

Enjoy :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
didnt i just read this on a social website :silly:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Exactly my point. Buzz words equal more users. Don't need to look passed Faux.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yes I can fault them. And I will.

We may know / want more cores blah blah blah and most of that in our community is misguided stupidity too. It's a younger generation that didn't live through this on the desktop.

Brands sell to people. People being the masses. They don't know crap. These are the folks that go " oh that's the galaxy? Or DROID"

There are a lot of players that are at fault in this. But I see Samsung as the ring leader.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
this passed by my workplace today..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
didnt i just read this on a social website :silly:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
If you ever find the time to build for nexus 10, the A15 optimization improvements in gcc4.8 would make it worth using it, doesn't need to be buzzworded up gcc4.8, the improvements are gnu though, so in any 4.8, no need to bullshít people about what brought the improvements.

At least to compare 4.6 to 4.8, always fun to find out what's real and what isn't ;)

And don't tell me you have no nexus 10, you at least have a sort of knowledgeable tester ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Im not at all opposed to using a different toolchain, but at least on the N4 I couldnt see a difference....Im happy to add Manta....I dont know anyone who has one and there didnt seem to be a call for it. If I add it Im sure I wouldnt be changing the toolchain for it, so Im not sure if youre interested.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] superbobup:
That's exactly my point, people want more cores and fast speeds so that's what many of the hardware vendors are giving them and they're going to market their products this way to get money, which is what they're supposed to do.

I'm sure Samsung and Qualcomm recognize this, and they also realize they can only increase their core count and clock speed before running into issues. It's similar to Intel and Pentium/Prescott. Just because we see them pushing hard for quad cores and more speeds doesn't mean that's the only thing they're developing, it just means that is what makes them money.... At least this is how I see it
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
I'll try it even if you aren't interested in fighting through commits for build errors for gcc4.7+ :)

Unless you don't want feedback and the resulting work of maintaining it :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] styckx:
Blah.. Stomping around XDA today.. Stopping by... My cross country trip ended about 3 weeks ago and have been in a miserable mood since getting home. Trying to work connections so I can move to Chicago..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
People want what they are told is the next great thing, so the companies don't follow a trend, they are creating it.

Like a mix of both following what they then create and creating what they then follow.

Mostly I think they create the trend they then follow with less cost.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Love feedback :) I just dont want to add back the toolchain for a single device. There are many more opportunities for error the more cutting edge they get. I do admit, Id be interested in trying to use Google's GCC 4.7 like they use in the master branch, but my knowledge of toolchains is so minimal its sad. It sounds like a fun experiment, but I dont know enough to implement any of that without using someones predone manifest and build repos. Tell you what, Ill work on setting up Manta as is and well go from there :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
Any idea why? (Im stock for OTA purpose)

I found something... Its google play music wich is kicking this in. But it never happened before. I dont sttream music, all ia on my device, and selected only show musics on device but it stills tries to download something that i dont have...

Found the issue, sorry...

I selected to only download on wifi but im out in spain so im on 3G and i probably hit the refresh button, so google play was holding that download service until i get wifi

typed from my NeXuS 4 beasting Matr1x kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
didnt i just read this on a social website :silly: man, I leave g+ come here dejavu
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Basically. I was going to write a long response but said screw it

The consumers are not driving this nonsense.

It's not even the development of the cores. ARM doesn't recommend running a a15 core in a phone at 1.6 ghz

Samsung doesn't develop cores or chip design either. Which is why it's so funny that they managed to ship a broken big little chip. They managed to bork a reference design.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] superbobup:
True. I didn't think about it in the way you and morfic phrased it. Makes sense though.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
I'm going to try this out later. Thanks
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] aoaleman:
PSX is running really well. Definitely recommend giving it a shot.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] maverick_hunter:
Has anyone tried out the Roboto Facelift font? I really like it as opposed to the Condensed version I see on everything 4.3.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
Pic I posted before that looks like a big weed plant (wild hibiscus) weird buds bloomed
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] flaviocc:
sorry to ask, and the battery time, do you have any feedback?

LOL....don´t forget, if possible, Tilapia :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ser Gilgoroth:
Excellent! I will be trying this tonight I think!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] The Troll:
what is the latest version *stable/beta* and where can i find it?

unless its tf133 at http://www.derkernel.com/jb-mako.php :/
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Sorry, I dont understand the question.....apologies :)

Tilapia? Is that the NS?

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My Rom has those by default.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sound.wav:
tf133 is the latest :good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] aoaleman:
Just released today! Should wait a couple of days to accurately measure battery life.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] flaviocc:
was wondering if there is any feedback regarding the battery life in your new ROM. :good:

Tilapia - Nexus 7 3G model :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
I love New York. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] flaviocc:
i mean this feedback in some previously tests :good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
There is no magic battery potion.

The difference between the worst and best rom battery life wise is minimal. It shouldn't even be a concern

Flash full stock / root kernel and set up your device as close as possibly to your custom rom.

Battery will end up being essentially the same.

Edit. My typing is worse than normal today.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Nice ping! Ive seen speeds that high myself, never sub 20 ping though.....you win at everything :p