yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi!

Thanks for your reply and the link to this interesting patch.

Though it seems there's a little error in this code.

Old:

chip->CFG0 = (((mtd_writesize >> 9)[B]-1[/B]) << 6) /* 4/8 cw/pg for 2/4k */

VS

New:

cfg0_yaffs2 = ((mtd_writesize >> 9) << 6) /* 4/8 codeword per page for 2/4k nand */

I must admit that parts of these structures might not be understood completely, i assume the "-1" value had to be included in the new code as well.

Otherwise some basic NAND setup might run into errors while scanning chips using the old setup...

Any comment on this would be welcome!!

EDIT:

O.k. found it myself... assuming that the NAND controller inside MSM8255 shares the same core than in MSM7200 the first formular is correct for standard usage.

With pagesizes 2048 and 4096 in this formula the following bits are set in NAND_DEVn_CFG0 (according to MSM7200 Software Interface Manual):

(((2048 >> 9) -1) << 6) = 0xC0 -> setting bits 6 and 7 in this register to "1" -> 0x3 = 4 codewords per page

(((2048 >> 9) -1) << 6) = 0x1C0 -> setting bits 6, 7 and 8 in this register to "1" -> 0x7 = 8 codewords per page

Which is the correct setup.

ATTENTION!!!

Leaving out the value "-1" in this formular will cause a different ECC setup per page.

As a result the original patch should be used with caution!!!

EDIT2:

Just something more to add here...

Indeed there are to different setups for the NAND controller to deal with the flash chip.

There's one for the modem (baseband cpu) and one for apps (app cpu).

By looking into the reference code for the LK bootloader it all get's clearer.

In other words, you can't easily access or read out baseband and boot partitions from within linux by using one setup (a.k.a. apps cpu setup).

LK bootloader uses some switching to handle these differences and keeps things in order for baseband and app.

It might be possible though to boot the app processor with a linux kernel using the basebands setup.

Then stay within a ramdisk without mounting any app partition, you may use mtd-tools to read out baseband partitions.

This would prevent at least data garbage and stuff...

Maybe i'll digg deeper here... maybe not :D

BTW, i suggest to concentrate on your exams :fingers-crossed:

Yeah interesting point, i thought about it as well. No further infos about the attributes though.

Anyway read only access would be o.k. for me... just want to have a look at the internal structures of certain regions inside the chip.

Best regards,

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] ykkfive:
I'm a newbie for sony devices. Just learnt this earlier today in another thread:

RCK_H="706BCA641EDD60B388F779C233319511B66E56E92CB75264F473D0F9DECBD831"

This is a sha256 hash for the unlock key

ROOTING_ALLOWED="1"

Means bl unlock=1

The timestamp is the time the device unlocked

For locked devices they don have these lines

Hope this helps, eager to find a way to unlock my docomo z tablet
[Xperia Arc General] mikeioannina:
Hi guys,

has anyone here made a UART debugging setup on his device? I'm interested in low-level debugging to bringup a new kernel, any info will be appreciated.
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi mikeioannina,

i used the debug port on my Pro for a while.

Right now the wires got unsoldered again and i use it as phone.

We got the location of UART testpoints for Pro and Arc(S).

See first post for the link to the dedicated posts...

You'll need some FTDI USB to UART adaptor capable to handle 1.8V levels.

Info is spread all over... but it's all there.

So what else do you need?

I may help anyway ;)

Cheers,

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] mikeioannina:
I have this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/718 , will that do the job?

I'm comfortable with soldering etc. as I used to debug a zte blade & a chinese tablet with the same adapter.

The problem is the pinout: I have a Ray and a Mini, there is no known UART pinout for any of these phones.

I use the Mini as a dev phone and here comes another problem: all the testpoints are under the battery, so that makes it hard to operate the phone when the cables are soldered and battery won't fit.
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi mikeioannina!

Yeah, basically this board will do the job. You'll need some soldering though and some 1.8VIO supply to work with the Xperia phones.

So little soldering will be required in the end.

Please read carefully, especially the last posts:

https://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21234

We would neither need 3.3V nor 5V... in fact we need a source for 1.8V and power the FT232RL VCCIO pin with this voltage to make it compatible with the logic levels of the CPU.

Even worse... the testpoints for UART3 (TP9800 & TP9801) could not be located on these phones.

Either Sony decided to leave them out or used another numbering scheme.

Got no clue how to find out anything related just with the service manuals at hand.

I found them on my Pro by doing measurements...

Maybe someone donates a Pro or Arc for your development :o

Best regards,

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] mikeioannina:
That's bad...

Anyway, I already talked with someone and he will get me an Arc for free to continue this. I will post here again when I get the phone.
[Xperia Arc General] mikeioannina:
Here's my progress:

http://i.imgur.com/x6xBVDg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NNBRuqj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fprq8bC.jpg

Everything is ready except the 1.8V power supply, it's difficult to find things like this here where I live :(
[Xperia Arc General] mikeioannina:
Damn it! I got the 1.8v power supply, I soldered the 1.8v output to VCCIO & GND of my FT232R adaptor and it doesn't work. No output on terminal :(

Edit: I'll update with more details when I find some time

EDIT 2: I finally made it. Here are the details for those who are interested for a cheap solution:

I used this adapter: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/718, unsoldered the jumper that gave 3.3v/5v to VCCIO (you can see it in the pics). I also removed the 2 resistors next to the leds (labelled "331"). That means no working indicator leds, but it's the easiest solution. Then I simply connected RX, TX & GND on my Arc and connected the adapter to my pc. I used minicom with this configuration: ttyUSB0, 115800, 8n1. I can get both bootloader output & kernel output on my LX builds (I have enabled uart3 debugging in the kernel defconfigs)
[Xperia Arc General] mshipXZ:
Is there any new solutions for unlocking New security? OR FIXING A PHONE THAT HAS NO FAST BOOT, NO FLASH MODE, STOCK ON BOOTLOOP? CAN THIS BE FIXED?
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Cooooool....

Hi mikeioannina,

sorry for being late with my reaction :p

That's great news... anyway be careful with the testpoints, as i realized that they might easily get damaged if there's too much mechanical stress form the cable.

Though by looking at your pics, the cables seem to be fixed.

Keep on hacking!!!

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi mshipXZ!

No i don't think there'll be a hack for new security chips to manipulate boot code.

AFAIK phones with no fastboot are locked down from carriers, so no official Sony unlocking here either.

In addition i never heard of any open method/hack to free these phones... sorry :o

"stuck on bootloop" could be fixed in most cases, but is off topic here!

Regards,

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] mshipXZ:
Arc S

My problem is my Arc S LT18i doesen't boot into flash mode nor fastboot mode. so have a big problem here. It's a 12W45. Can this be repaired by Omnius or any other software? FLASHING FIRMWARE THROUGH TESTPOINT METHOD. Can this work? I know unlocking bootloader doesen't work but how about flashing firmware through testpoint? Thanks, in advance.
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi!

I'm not completely sure how the Omnius software works in detail.

If they make use of the OTP-ROM bug which is present in the old security chips, it won't work with new security.

If they use other mechanism to access certain memory areas it might work.

I'm sorry, but i think i can't help out on this issue :angel:

Regards,

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] mman1982:
Hi all!

Can someone help about kexec?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2099376

We are trying,but got no atags,and i think we need a kexec compatible kernel.
[Xperia Arc General] Cristiano Lira:
[MENTION=557802]scholbert[/MENTION]

This guy is having some good ideas to unlock 2012 Xperias bootloader wich can't ben unlocked by sony official method: "Unlock Bootloader Allowed: No" and by testpoint (like our xperias 2011 manufactured after 12W11). He is trying to change this status to be able to unlock by the official method.

Please check his thread: http://xdaforums.com/xperia-u/general/dev-reloading-kernel-rebooting-t2053466

and see if you can help him.

Thanks a lot.
[Xperia Arc General] Someguyfromhell:
The problem is, there is no possibility to backup the TA partition on 2011 Xperia phones.
[Xperia Arc General] Cristiano Lira:
I managed to unlock my LT18i with 12W35 and Unlock bootloader allowed: No.

In this thread I give more details.

Look: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2737846
[Xperia Arc General] mman1982:
12w26 unlocked partially

Guys,

See this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=53000030

So at the beginning he got a 12w26 simlocked phone.(http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=37252476#post37252476) Removed simlock, then said Unlock allowed not changed. (not suprising)

But, he tried to unlock with testpoint, worked, and now can flash TFT kernels! (don't have fastboot, but can flash unsigned kernels!)

By the way, he is the second: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2737846 , says the same!

Where is the truth? If we sim unlock our phone it can be unlocked partially?? I tried to unlock mine with s1boot, but i get packet timeout.(but i still have simlock!) So it seems if i remove simlock it will work? :) Anyone can confirm this?
[Xperia Arc General] mman1982:
Hi all,

Can't we insert these lines to a locked phone?We can request that code from Sony site yeah?Am i wrong?
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi mman1982!

To be honest i don't know about locked phones. I never bought and will buy a SIM locked phone...

You may get the correct code from Sony, but remember:

This hash key is unique to your phone (e.g. IMEI related).

Sony's database might know if your phone is SIM locked and i don't know if you'll get something valid.

Guess i can't help out on this issue, sorry!

Anyway, please don't mix up locked bootloader and SIM lock!!

People are confused enough :p

Regards,

scholbert
[Xperia Arc General] mman1982:
Hi,

Is there anyone that knows how Qualcomm QDL mode works?I mean we can flash a new firmware(including pbl sbl) in Qdl mode?My idea is back-up and flash from an older(old security chip) lt18i.
[Xperia Arc General] gen_scheisskopf:
PBL is not flashable, IIRC it's an OTP (one time programmable)memory flashed during production process
[Xperia Arc General] scholbert:
Hi,

i stopped my activities on low level hacking the Xperia phones for a while.

Anyway, it's nice to see that there's still some interest here and so i'll try to remember and give some answers :D

Basically a good idea... to speak of replacing SBL, this is exactely what setool does.

It is very hard to do this in manual steps as it requires deep knowledge about low level binary protocols.

See my attempts here, which were very basic and used QDL protocol.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=38839325&postcount=118

Similar commands are used to load a helper in secure RAM, called SBL loader which is able to re-write NAND and uses a different protocol after it get's executed. You'll need another low level tool on your host to talk to this loader then.

This is correct, PBL is OTP and could not be re-written.

You'll need a signed loader to re-write onboard flash. PBL is not able to overwrite NAND on it's own.

PBL is checking this loader for signature before it is granted for execution in secure memory mode.

The old security chips had a bug in PBL though which also allowed to run a tweaked loader and replace signed SBL in NAND with a custom signed one.

That's basically it.

New security chips can't be cheated because the bug in PBL has been fixed and the chain of trust can not be broken from the very beginning after starting up the CPU.

You'll need trusted code in every step and that's the evil thing with these later phones.

The only method to unlock new security is to use SE official way, but if your device is locked by default there's no way to get out of it.

Anyway i hope i remembered everything correctly and it helps you to understand.

Have a nice day!

scholbert
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] rocafella_ny:
I need the accuweather apk, does anyone have it or know where I can get it from.

show me something worth my attention
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] metalfan78:
Unzip the stock rom and take it out of there.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] studentjunk:
I just posted it for some others.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36249264&postcount=84
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] rocafella_ny:
I downloaded and flashed the weather file but when I reboot my phone I dont see it in my widgets? Im running strongsteves holy grail odexed blue jb 4.1.1 rom

show me something worth my attention
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] -lorenzo-:
hi all, i'm using fxp latest build for xperia u... how i can uninstall superuser and use only superSU? i can't figure out how to remove superuser after installing superSU

i red on the forums that with ICS and JB is better to use superSU instead of superuser

thanks in advice
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rajul:
Use the app root app uninstall from Google play and remove it
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] -lorenzo-:
it worked :) thanks
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Redaaku:
Need help to replace superuser app with SuperSU on my Xperia Sola. I'm on stock rooted ICS ROM.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] joehann90:
install superSU from the market, then approve and install binary, do not uninstall superuser as requested by superSU. the use rootbrowser and go to system/app and delete superuser.apk. done.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sauravzangeneh:
Hey i recently flashed simplicity v3 on my galaxy ace s5830i and then on the left corner there was a thin white line. It's not hardware related. Could it be because of removing gallery ics? if yes how do i fix it? i reflashed many times. I tried reinstalling gallery ics :(

thank you :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Alucard1989pl:
jeez it's a battery metter -_-" . . . you can disable it on settings -> cynogenmod settings -> JB Battery Bar . . . -_-"
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Android-fany:
I thought he mean something another :D
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] uchihachi:
He's talking about this
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Android-fany:
Yes it is that what he was talking about. It show you your current battery. You can deactivate it from settings.
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sauravzangeneh:
hey im sorry :\ didn't know. Thanx anyway!!! :D anyway ace users which is better? simplicity or jelly blast? best custom rom for s5830i?
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] -Anderson-:
It is Based on personal taste.Jellyblast has lesser battery life but more features.But try both roms and find out which rom suits you the best.:D
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] sauravzangeneh:
:\ when i flashed jelly blast at the end it said not enough memory for kernel/ and then when i rebooted it just showed some jelly beans in a jar...

which one runs faster? simplicity or jelly blast ? :confused:
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] rahulnandwani:
Yaaa

I have the same question
[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Androidnow:
Why dont you test yourself.....somebody just told you that it defers on taste & preffrences. Just use one...for a while make a backup....then flash the other...if you dont like the new one. Restore your backup youll be back to the previous rom. Both are fast and stable.
[General Questions and Answers] prezident36:
Hi everyone!

I have a vodafone smart 2, which has the same hw as galaxy y. Galaxy Y can be overclocked to at least 900 Mhz.

My phone's stock kernel doesn't support cpu oc, and it's bootloader locked.

I installed init.d support, so can I overclock cpu with init.d script?

Thanks for answers!
[HTC One X] evyasher:
Hey there....

I have HOX VIA Vodafone.

CID: VODAP102

Android version: 4.0.4

HTC Sense vesion: 4.1

Software number: 2.17.401.2

I would like to update my ROM to JB. I would like to use only STOCK ROM. Question:

Will my phone work as well if I will download and Install this ROM?

Thank you and all the best!
[HTC One X] TToivanen:
Yes, it is compatible, but remember to update your hboot first.
[HTC One X] evyasher:
Ana how can I do it?
[HTC One X] EddyOS:
Vodafone have pushed the JB update so you'd need to go back to stock. You're not on a Vodafone ROM at the moment as otherwise the build would be x.xx.16x.x so it looks like you're on custom at the mo. Assuming it's Vodafone UK you can flash this RUU:

https://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13b241YUlZY1FzeHNUQw

And then get the JB OTA. Once you're on JB, you can make a Nandroid backup (as the JB Vodafone RUU isn't out yet) and then flash a new JB custom ROM
[HTC One X] evyasher:
thank you, but unfortunately I always got EROOR [155].

I checked and I discovered my original version was 1.29.161.13 so I download the correct RUU from here but unfrotunatlly I got the same ERRON.

What can I do?

Maybe anyone has it on .zip so I could flash it?

thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
CREDIT & THANKS TO :

Arco for CM9

Evilisto for source lockscreen

if you like this Mod, just press the thanks button:good::cowboy:​
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] kabychow:
Nice :D

Thx for porting it to cm9 :good:

Sent from my Galaxy Wonder :D
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
Enjoy mate :).
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] kabychow:
Why did I get boot loop after flash?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
I' m sorry mate, . just fine on me.

try to flash it from fresh clean stock CM9.Rc2. :) , without any other Mod, changing kernel. or else before..

good luck :)
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
added Lockscreen screencast preview in youtube => http://youtu.be/dynVQOPe6_s
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] kabychow:
No, if you flash the mod before first boot it will bootloop but if u flash after first boot it will work :)
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] t0kgrumps:
Awesome lock screen. Had been waiting for someone to port this. Nice job, again

Edit: Sent from my Galaxy S Plus (not Galaxy W)
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] outerh3aven:
Yeah! Guess everyone wanted to have this one. :silly: THANKS!

but I couldn't figure out the difference between the

MOD CM9 GALAXY S.3 LOCKSCREEN WITH CAPACITIVE LIGHT ENABLE

and

MOD CM9 GALAXY S.3 LOCKSCREEN WITH CAPACITIVE LIGHT DISABLE...

EDIT: sorry, looked in your PhabletUI thread and saw this:

NOTE :

ENABLE CAPACITIVE LIGHT : TOUCHKEY LIGHT TURN ON

DISABLE CAPACITIVE LIGHT : TOUCHKEY LIGHT TURN OFF

[B U S T E D] :cowboy:
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] UltimHero:
Nice ! but kinda laggy and hard to unlock ...
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
Op updated !

How to install & bugs !!
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
Have you try just to flash my mod Galaxy Note LS ?.. coz ussually almost all my mod work too to s plus :)

Or if you want to build it by yourself, you better ask this guy who create the Mod => http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1568697
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] outerh3aven:
Yeah! I know. Almost all sgs+ mods are working on w and almost w mods are working on sgs+.

I already tried your galaxy note mod. Was not so much satisfied... Sorry.:rolleyes:

I thought of combine this 2 mods.

So I took the xml meantioned above ( the main xml for clock as you know, etc. This xml is similar to the galaxy note xml), modified it and compiled.

As I sad: It didn't work. I couldn't get my results as I wanted. Thanks anyway. Will ask Evilisto for help :D

:thumbup: keep it up!
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
Good luck to you :thumbup::p
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] puppynaz:
Will this work on my i9003?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] ahmadblu:
nice work
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] kerim336:
Re: (MOD-CM9) Samsung Galaxy S.3 Inspired Lockscreen

How can i uninstall this?

Sorry for my english:p
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] MR.Volkf:
Re: (MOD-CM9) Samsung Galaxy S.3 Inspired Lockscreen

Chinmay was made it for galaxy sl
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] tanishque italia:
Re: (MOD-CM9) Samsung Galaxy S.3 Inspired Lockscreen

Will it work on mdpi resolution?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
Re: (MOD-CM9) Samsung Galaxy S.3 Inspired Lockscreen

No, it will not work
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
Update 11 February 2013

CHANGELOG :

4 January 2013
- Initial Release

11 February 2013
- Added for CM9.RC5
- Fixed charging notification on lockscreen for CM9-RC5
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] cross2573875394:
收件人： [MOD][CM9.RC5) Samsung Galaxy S.3 Lockscreen (Update 11 February 2013)

Will it work with CM9 RC4？THX.

sent from galaxy w,sorry for my bad English...
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi_aishiteru:
OP UPDATED TO CM9 RC-7

ENJOYY.. & HAVE FUN :good::laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] marionite:
Can you make one for CM10 alpha 7? Thanks :D
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] taufiqWidi:
its only disabling the capacitive light or also disabling the touch huh:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] hern555:
A Bit hard to unclock.
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Dwama:
where is download link for CM9 RC2 ???

can someone reupload pls?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi Aisiteru Reborn:
can you upload CM9 Rc 2 framework-res.apk and framework.jar

I will update this thread to CM9 Rc9 and make one for you

changelog will be like CM10 version
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] mps42:
Is it worked with one of a kind rom hybrid version its based on rc6 !
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Dwama:
here is the file.

can u make 2 version enable capitative and disable capitative ??
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi Aisiteru Reborn:
oke :)

give me an hour
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] mps42:
Is it worked on one of a kind rom hybrid version its based on rc6 !
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi Aisiteru Reborn:
no !,.

---------- Post added at 04:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:46 PM ----------

[MENTION=4661357]Dwama[/MENTION] :

CM9-RC.2_GALAXY.S.3_Style_Lockscreen

CM9-RC.2_GALAXY.S.3_Style_Lockscreen_(DisableCapacitive)

How to install, Bugs, Changelog are same like in here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2287434

but, I have not test your lockscreen yet,.so guud luck :)
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Dwama:
thanks alot buddy :D
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] mps42:
If i give you my framework.res can u make it to me ?!
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Dwama:
how to disable navigation ?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Adi Aisiteru Reborn:
Sorry I cannt
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] mps42:
No problem thank you :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Q&A, Help & ] Damoid:
Hi,

I own the Telstra Galaxy S III 4G, and am wondering if it supports wireless charging as the international GT-i9300 does. I have contacted Samsung, who replied:

"Unfortunately at this time the Galaxy S3 4G not currently have the ability to charge wirelessly in Australia at this time. This may change in future firmware upgrades."

Does this mean it would be possible to enable wireless charging? I have a feeling that 'future firmware upgrades' may just mean when Samsung releases an officially branded accessory, or am I being too cynical :p

Does anyone have anymore information?

Thanks
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Q&A, Help & ] Rekoil:
Same battery, same form factor, I'd be highly surprised if the GT-I9300 charging kit isn't compatible. But you know it requires a special case right?

There needs to be a 3000 mAh battery upgrade kit with a lime green flip cover and Qi charging support :P
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Q&A, Help & ] Damoid:
Ahh, I didn't know it needed a special case, so there is a catch. And I have the lime green flip cover too :laugh: best one.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadonking:
Is there a mod for the navbar+statusbar in one at the bottom of the screen like in paranoidandroid for cm 10.1?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadonking:
I got the answer by myselfe.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] massimo2001:
would you care to share?