yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Ok, thanks....I was gonna add it if it wasnt.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Looks and ux aside it performs much better too. With scrolling as fast as possible it rarely drops a frame
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ChriZer:
This isn't the updated version ^^

Grab it here :

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/08/19/download-youtube-for-android-v5-0-21/

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
thanks.

yea, after playing with it, it isnt. then after checking the version number, its definitely not it :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Its not that I am doing it wrong. Heck I am not even benching anything

But you don't see me comparing my scores to others etc. When you need a rooted a device and third party kernels to run a benchmark right.... That isn't well, right.

It's partly why Samsung caught so much heat. The bigger issue was the higher gpu step but also them triggering the same min and max too.

Testing the device with scaling and hotplugs and throttles if anything is more valid. Because that is how the device is generally used. Its useless to test that way to see if the changes morfic makes in the latest test is worth it. But other than that, the min max benchmarking set up / performance is more useless. Because it doesn't represent at all how the device will run in real world
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
Yea apparently I had two apk in my copy folder and linked wrong one

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Correct version this time

https://copy.com/Ve4Sa
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
benchmarks themselves dont show real world use, as there isnt a standard for real world use. there is only how each individual uses the device, in the real world. we all set up our devices differently, and use them differently(at least the users with root). i think that "real world use" could only be applied to unmodified devices, stock per se. or an iphone, since it cant really be modified much. but for us that are using custom rom, kernels, and other modifications, there really isnt a way to fairly test real world use, unless we all make the exact same modification.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Finally [MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] will not have no to wait long, fortunatly the new iPhones are very close :laugh:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/19/4637242/apple-shipping-two-new-iphones-early-september-wsj

Admit it simms, you will be the first in line :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Yea right....like he doesnt already have a test version.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
if i could afford an iphone just for the hell of it, id be the first one in line to buy one. then id be the first one to see how high i can throw it to see how it survives the trip down after hitting the concrete. of course, on video.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Apple thought to your ambitions, it seems that they are going to present an "economic" iPhone too this September. Finally an "iFlyPhone" signed by you :D

We can only say "AMAZING" ahahahah
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Talking about other phones, have you or morfic or anyone had the chance to test a Lumia 920? What are your thougths?

Tks
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
I agree, I was afraid they made it worse since the previous one was really good in that aspect and the new one is based in holo cards, but they nailed it. I wonder how it scrolls in lower range devices.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
One negative ( at least in my eyes) with the new YouTube app is it obeys the system system screen orientation setting.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Android police says that there's a button to force landscape orientation even if you have autorotation disabled.

The only thing I miss, now that we can play a video while searching, is the possibility to add videos to queue. You know, search-add-seach-add...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Nice. I didn't see the option yet. You can add things to the watch later

Click on the action overflow.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
But watch later is different for queue, videos in "watch later" won't autoplay when current playback is over. Anyway os good to know.

By the way, after 1 year using android (I didn't had smartphone before that) and custom roms I discovered what DSP is for. I'm still shocked about the difference in sound. WTF is this sorcery? :laugh:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whisper13:
OT but people like her should burn in hell, we are really having a hard time here philippines, flash floods because of the typhoon, almost ever road unpassable and ughhh burn bi*ch
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
what the **** :eek:

who is she?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whisper13:
We don't know but how i wish she was here and I'd tie her and drag her in the flood ughhh
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
If I were to write out a list on people who should be set on fire ..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Haha....like you dont already have one ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whisper13:
Top of my list

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
WTF is wrong with this person? Ive never seen anything like that....disgusting doesnt even describe it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Run some benches see how that fairs. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
No. It would be far to long and take way to much time to put together.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] takimane40k:
There must be a "constant" when benchmarking, that's why its recommended to lock in min/max, this is fact.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
There must not be any must.

Its recommended here and xda in general. By either people actually testing changes or people doing a pissing contest

Its not done in PCs / servers etc. Just here. And it's stupid
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sound.wav:
speaking of benchmarks :p

psx and trinity :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] HewettBR:
Al why are you freaking out? Who cares what other people do with their phone? I delete every app I don't need or use and run WiFi when I don't need to use 4g data. If I get 6 hours of screen time I could care less if my quadrant score is 6700 or 8000 as long as it's smooth and lasts... I don't get why you are so upset.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] takimane40k:
In order to make a "good or bad by comparison" you must have a constant (fact) amongst the tests regardless of industry, that's all I'm saying. In our little world of testing, locking in the min/max is that "constant. In terms of "no boundaries, freedom etc" you are correct. I see where you are coming from about "pissing contests", I can assure you that's not the case in this thread. I do appreciate your passion and understand your point of view.

At the end of the day your only good or bad by comparison.

Peace.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I am not upset. I'm not telling anybody how to use their phones either.

I'm just sick off seeing this nonsense repeated over and over. Oh benchmarks don't mean anything from one crowd. You're running them wrong from another.

Enough is enough. This is becoming the new wipe 3x of xda.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
shot some wood tonight ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] wildestpixel:
Here simms22, have some British wood
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
That it's only done so here and not on pcs and that it's stupid is just an Alpinion.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] atxbang56:
a boat in France :

BANGed from my God Damned CoOl Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yeah. I am not saying that this is the behavior of this thread. Nor morfic and Simms. That couldn't further from the truth.

I disagree 100 percent with what you call the constant though. That constant ( the min max) is needed to do the testing of the kernel. I know this and would never dispute it. When morfic makes a change for Simms to test it needs to run under those conditions to see if its worth keeping.

But this is why that same constant is completely not needed all the time. You want to see how the hot plugging set up performs. You want to see how the governor performs it's scaling under various loads. For example a user was asking recently why he was getting lower fps during antutu then other kernels. You may want to see how it performs under your default settings. Or the stock default settings.

Now you don't go on and compare those numbers to the numbers from min max throttle off etc. But those results are just as important. To morfic and Simms and anybody else no. ( unless you notice a bug) But to the user it is. You can see how your settings perform. Change them and tune your settings.

The results are also fairly consistent. Not as consistent as the "proper" way but its close enough.

My constant in this case could be one of many things. The same rom. The same kernel settings. The same kernel and settings on a different rom. The room temp to see how the temps and throttling works

Real world example. Let's say you wanted to flash Franco kernel and see how his interactive governor and hotplugging perform. Besides using the phone normally you would benchmark with scaling and interactive and default hot plugging etc. If you wanted to compare 1512 Franco vs 1512 faux or Trinity etc you would lock the frequency. If you wanted to test Franco's hot plug vs stock vs thalamus you wouldn't lock anything. You would bench or just play a game and monitor it

This idea that you need to lock min and max is just wrong. You can and should do it to test certain things. Others you clearly shouldn't because its pointless for what you're actually testing.

Sometimes you want to test the scaling hot plugging etc and not just how it performs locked to a certain speed. Since you don't run the kernel at those settings normally for anything more than benchmarking.

I enjoy the pissing contest and the fun in it. What I don't is the your not benching right. Because its bs. Benchmarks are tools. Tools that are not meant to used only one way to test one thing

That is my beef.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _Behemoth:
Can anyone tell me how to install this? I am on PSX 3.2 stock. What all do I need to wipe in recovery?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Nada. Just flash.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Earlier today somebody was wondering how the new YouTube app performed on lesser HW. Well I put it on a tegra 2 device and set it to run at default 1ghz. It runs as smooth as anything I have seen on this device. Even when the multi task player is on.

They did some serious performance work on this app. Like how in the hell is this possible improvement. Faster than the launcher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQPICRRycFE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _Behemoth:
Thanks. On PSX 3.2 stock I am getting 21500 on Antutu. Lets see how much Trinity gives me! :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Oh no, the benchmark mentioning.. :eek:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _Behemoth:
Haha got 23648 on latest Trinity. :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] takimane40k:
Well said.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] meangreenie:
I think it's an insult to say Morfic/Simms and most others are not aware that benchmarks are the wrong tool to test hotplugging/governors ect... You must think we are all stupid.

They used to test Max performance at chosen frequencies/no. of core/ gpu/other settings and we are well aware of that.

The hate benchmarks bandwagon gang get right on my nerves. Righteous bunch of .....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] a g bell:
I hate cats:D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Today is going to be the big battery teat for 4.3 and tf4h. I'm stuck at a seminar and I am likely to spend the majority of the 8-9 on my phone.

Psx ROM, 486/1458, 2 core on, 320 GPU. I'll report Later on how it's holding up.

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You outpiss me a bit. Check out that 666 in there.

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The only problem with benching at dd settings is that it is unlikely that the bench would generate loads similar to your daily loads deeming the results irrelevant. Benching is only good for pissing wars and the way Simms uses them.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Ohh, I missed the benchmarks flame. :)

I agree with albundy but just one thing: to compare different roms is a good idea to use same kernels and same conditions. And it's easier locking frequencies and cores.

But for comparing kernels, I think it's better not to rely on antutu but on your normal use. For example, franco kernel is battery friendly and smooth, but his hotplugin solution doesn't get along with intensive games. That's why it use to give lower fps and antutu scores than other kernels.

And of course if you run benchmarks, the more you do the better conclusions you can get.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I don't think my screenshot attached even though I tried a few times.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] zephiK:
It attached. It's just flipped upside down :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
That's on purpose. My score reeds 6668 this way. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Missed you mate.. :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
You are too busy checking out the beach ladies. Stop posting these pics of sights. Show us the bitcshes!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Ach, the best one is next to me. Here, other sights.

Palaiochori, Milos.

Wild figs.

Aliens caught by Greek fishermen.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
You're not getting thanks from me. :thumbdown:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
Yeah we need pictures from paradise beach!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rickbosch:
Nice to have the family together again :)

sent via mako
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
2.5 more hours left and 28% battery. This will be close. Semeon, are we still optimizing the kernel or are we at the point of adding features?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] pikachukaki:
TF4h or TF4C is the latest...or another???its a bit confusing! :P
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
TF4h
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nedooo:
But simms G+ link is dead???
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Teadious:
Its on derkernel now
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] pikachukaki:
ok thanks!!!!and dont say i didnt search..i go all the way back to 11th august! :P
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] cpaixao:
You just saved my life! Thanks a lot! I dont give so much for benching but now I scored 2705 on Geekbench 2.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
still optimizing
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
GPU is overclocked by default, right? Just to be sure I didn't change anything by accident in trickstermod
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
487 by default.

But, if you have any doubt, unmark the option "Set on boot" and reboot...

The kernel will boot up with default configs.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] resynx:
Had a little girl named Trinity come into my martial arts class the other week, instantly thought of this thread :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Cool! Need us to run any benches for u? I get some freezes on psx ROM. I don't know what causes it but the screen freezes for a few seconds and then everything goes back to normal.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
Thanks for the answer. Just did that :victory:

Deadlocks caused by your JSS rom. Not the kernel's fault ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Was she fast and efficient? ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
He said she was a little girl, so I assume that FBI is on your way right now. :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
You have a dirty mind ;) I was talking about martial arts skill :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Nah I don't, FBI does. :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] resynx:
The FBI can't take ctfrommn! Then who would provide us with the quickest ROM for our N4's ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Completely wrong.

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I didn't say morfic and Simms dont know.

But it is clearly apparent that many others do not know. That's why you get that benchmarks don't mean anything posts. Or you have to run it this way. Its because people don't know what they are talking about.

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And I failed at quoting with this damn new app,
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
Oooooops! Just realized flashing an JSS kernel on JWR rom brings the deadlocks :D

Well, I just need to give this kernel a try :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Tick "Disable hw overlays" in developer options.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
I flashed the JWR GPU drivers, so this shouldn't be necessary. The phone is running pretty smooth without any glitches. What I talked about was a freeze for several seconds when typing a message. Maybe this happened the first and last time, we will see.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
ok, generally, to the everyday user, benchmarks dont mean ****. they are there either to have fun, a pissing contest, or curiosity. but really, for the majority of users, a pissing contest. yea, there are many that do it for fun(like many here), kinda like messing with cars, to see what kind of impact they can make. but still, for the majority, a pissing contest.

that said, there are still legitimate uses for benchmarks, for the right people. of course these benchmarks arent taken at face value, but they can indicate changes, or issues created by developers. most of the time these changes or issues wont be felt in the ui, so its hard to see if they are there. benchmarking "the right way" creates a situation thatll lead to less variance. that less variance helps us see/find the changes/issues quicker.

thats said, again. many of us bench just for fun. sure, some might see it as a pissing contest. but we dont, we see it as just fun. in a pissing contest, the point is to show that someone is better than the other. many of us dont do that. and if they can squeeze more out, they help their friend, or stranger, to learn how to achieve the higher scores, so they can achieve that. to me, that doesnt sound like a pissing contest. to me it sounds more like a community, a community of people having fun with their devices, learning and teaching along the way.

but again, a third time. a far majority use it as a pissing contest, device makers/sellers included.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vortex1969:
That's interesting I flashed the JWR GPU drivers as well so I could use Trinity and I had a freeze today during texting for the first time in 3 days using JWR ROM.

I find this interesting because that is the same thing that happens on a JSS ROM. So maybe it's not the JSS ROM per say that is causing all the problems but the JSS kernal its' self. Just an observation.

In my line of work we have made changes and by making them the real problem was found.

Not meaning Trinity but any JSS Kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Teadious:
What also happens, is that when it freezes when using the keyboard, the keyboard force closes, and it takes a while to get up again.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
Right. This must be the reason why PA switched to using JWR kernels.

Which keyboard are you using? The stock one freezed like the rest of the system, closed and opened up again by itself. No fc message
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Teadious:
Same here, no message, using Google Keyboard. It just force closes by its own. Also happens with systemui.apk, closes everything and starts it again, no message.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
How often does it happen for you?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Teadious:
Not very much, usually when I listen to music and use Whatsapp at the same time. Sometimes it doesn't happen all day, other times it happens a few times in an hour. Its completely random really. I really hope 4.3.1 will fix this problem, and not like with the WiFi notification problems till 4.4 or 5.0.

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Also, it doesn't matter if I type fast or slow, it'll still freeze, and switching to characters doesn't matter as well.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mixtapes08:
What a *****... Damn were suffering here.. Thank god rains were decreasing now.

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] flaviocc:
#OT

today i remember why I gave a break from XDA on my Atrix times....

My Atrix is the daily driver phone of my wife and last sunday i upgraded to one 4.2 rom.....yesterday and today she have a lot of 3g drops and i went to thread to discuss about the issue....

despite all education between our posts, shows another reality of xda.

look:

- answer 1 - "Or 2.3. Everything works on GB.

But it seems what you really need is do much more reading...

- answer 2 - "Yeah, asking about things that are already explained is frowned upon here...."

I just wanted to talk more about it. Any problem about this ??? This is a forum.

And the detail was that I read and was posting in topic where there is no such information about the issue (rom thread). The information was on the kernel topic that rom uses (errr..one development thread)...imagine if I asked there ?!!! :eek:

Trinity is an oasis thread

:good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
It sure is!!! As Rasbean and PSX thread :beer::beer:

And franco it self helps a lot in his thread, cannot say the same about a lot of his kernel users

sent from my NEXUS 4 tasting a revamped cooking recipe of Jellybeans (stock 4.3).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] californicated:
Many N4 devs are great and give good support in their threads. Further examples are faux or hellgod (no thread on xda).

It's mostly the users killing the atmosphere.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whisper13:
How's the weather there? Here in QC it's still pouring hard :/ one minute it's gone then boom heavy torrential rain again :/

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
this beast liked the camera, i must have gotten 20 good hdr shots of her.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
Damn u [MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] ... While the pictures were loading i tough it would be a gorgeous women! Hahaha :rolleyes:

(Still in spain in holidays, so limited to edge speeds, i had quite a couple of seconds to dream :mad: )

sent from my NEXUS 4 tasting a revamped cooking recipe of Jellybeans (stock 4.3).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
id never call a gorgeous woman a beast :eek:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
Lol

My bad i only read the : "20 good hdr shots of her" part :p

sent from my NEXUS 4 tasting a revamped cooking recipe of Jellybeans (stock 4.3).