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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Exactly. I've had my N4 since July, and that was because my HD2 mobo finally died. (Had the phone for almost 4 years, with pretty much the same specs as the nexus one, but came out over a year earlier) being the super phone, we had some great devs on the hd2, and it was highly optimized for a 1.0ghz single core with a adreno 200. ICS ran like a dream. I had originally planned to hold out for the end of the year, but when a phone is dead you need one asap. The n4 was the perfect replacement and was already my phone of choice.

Not to mention in the Android world our hardware is surpassing the software by far. 2+ GHz with 4+cores and 2gb of ram and the adreno 330 and up. We have less than that and I have yet to find one app/game that doesn't run perfectly. I've never had to clear my apps with the recents button due to performance. Even emulation that doesn't run perfectly won't magically run perfectly on the next gen with out some more software optimization. (Psp for example)

Again I agree, newer hardware especially in the SoC world is usually more battery efficient. Plus it's the same evolution we've had.

Gnex had a 1750/1850, N4 had a 2100, and the N5 will have a 2300. The screen is slightly bigger increment. Going from a 4.65" to a 4.7" to a 4.96". Again, newer hardware is usually more efficient. Could it possibly be some AMOLED variant? At this point we have no idea, only the size of the screen.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
You might want to check PPSSPP emulator for PSP. It's free (with donate version) and works great. I was playing FF Crisis core few days ago, the only problem I found was that it was hard for me to use in screen buttons in an action game (specially top buttons, L & R).

About the Nexus 5, where that the info about amoled screen come from? I would like to have an amoled screen even if it is just to compare with the IPS, because the only one I've tried were the ones in the HTC Desire and Galaxy i9000, quite unfair comparison.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
looks like an incomplete last_kmsg(somehow got shortened because of lenght?) and i cant find any reason for a reboot.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
I've used it. But I don't consider emulation near perfect till 95%+ games are running at 60fps. I'm content with visual emulation and not true hardware emulation (think bsnes for hardware emulation). This is a software limitation and not hardware since the psp IIRC was a 333mhz arm with 32mb ram. The general rule of thumb is 3x the hardware power for emulation to be possible. I just used it as an example. Amiga emulation could be another example. Its far from perfect, but due to software and not hardware.

Also I agree with the on screen buttons. That's why I'm still deciding whether to get a Moga pro or PS3 + gameklip. I'm leaning towards the Moga pro because of price. But the button mapping to screen press feature of the ps3 software makes it pretty tempting.

It came from my ass, I made it up, I was just listing a possible way for a bigger screen to be more power efficient.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Amoled is not more power efficient. That's just Samsung PR talking points
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Just seen this.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Yeah I thought about a pad for the Nexus too, but I already have too much pads at home. About emulators, I assume that the real problem is java, because the windows version of ppsspp doesn't use java and it runs at 60 fps all the isos I've tried.

[MENTION=2986645]albundy2010[/MENTION] You look very informed about android and all "bs" around it. Is it true that java & dalvik machine are android real limitations? Because I've read about what Dalvik is and it is supposed to improve apps performance in devices with low memory, but it is really something "like an emulator"?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yes and no. Yes as in it would be better to run native code for the HW performance wise.

But no is its not androids limitation. Its actual one of its best things. Without it you would need to write stuff for all the different devices /platforms.

I'm sure some more of the technical folks could explain it better if they would like to. Not a area of have a great deal of knowledge on so I won't talk out my butt

But I suspect things will get quite a bit better with the next version of android. Well maybe not the next but in a "future version"

Roman Guy has said that in a future release the system will automatically remove a bunch of gpu overdraw. Project butter 2.0 I suppose. Another thing I would like to see get into aosp / future android devices ( not sure if you need HW for it) is what lg did with the g2 display refresh. It detects a static display and stops rendering it on the GPU
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
I stand corrected. Have never had an amoled screen, so I assumed the all black apps made it more efficient in general and not just for that device. Never really looked into comparing it to other screen types. Will look into later and suggest a screen type that actually would be more efficient.

Exactly. That's why you can write one app and have it run on ARM, MIPS and X86, unless you are using some sort of low-level api for a specific piece of hardware. But as you said, there are performance issues with this, even when using the NDK. (Like many of the device APIs are not open source. Or might not have all the calls that one would like)

I love talking out of my butt, and from the amount of edits of my messages have, you all can tell I do it often. But I figure I'm right 95% of the time. I can always count on Al to correct me when he knows I'm wrong, and I encourage others to do the same. :D

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I'm starting a new message since when I edit my old it removes like half of it.

You wouldn't need new hardware for the lg refresh. The only devices that wouldn't be able to use it is like the 2 early devices that didn't have a dedicated GPU.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
stop bullshi*ting..

you have work to do! your job is to test this kernel, tell us how you feel about it, what you think. there has been a change in the kernel, you cant know what it is, so you wont be told(for now), no clues either. get at it :p

Trinity-Four-Apollyon-4.3-ANY_wwz.zip http://goo.gl/k3TZ5Z
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Yes my dark lord.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Dark Lord?

That's not what Trinity is all about!

Trinity is all about happy, bright, warm fission.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
No offense intended. To me 666 brings all these things. \m/ :D \m/

Being from a rather rural religious area, the shock value of 666 and other marks of the beast have brought me great joy.

I believe in Satan as much as I believe in God. (0%) Its more of a novelty that I've always used and it makes me feel happy and at home here.

Once I found out at least Simms interpretation of "trinity" I've never used another kernel. Not to mention the openness for me to run my mouth as much as I want.

Edit: one change I've noticed. Seems less stable at 1.8ghz for me. I would have a 50/50 chance of crashing after running antutu. I now had a crash after posting this message. With trickster and tapa being the only apps open after a fresh reboot.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_2NNDoNW6ejdXhfXzRYOUpMd28/edit?usp=docslist_api

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
I'd suggest testing at 1728, change won't have affect on clocks either way.

And no offence taken, if anything, my comment to you might offend those who objected to the boot logo of Trinity days gone by ;P
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
That's a clue ;)

And this one?

[Youtube]clhpg8BNURs[/youtube]

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Most folks would black out their Roms and apps as much as possible just to save battery because without doing so the battery blows.

Even doing the black trick would you would still end up with about the same battery life. Some examples you could look into. The nexus s ( hell maybe even the one had a LCD version can't remember for sure). The galaxy s4 and the active.

You could also compare similar devices too. Well it's not as good since different screen sizes etc you can still get a idea. HTC one x vs the HTC one s ( maybe it wasn't called one s can't remember. The 4.3 inch amoled that kind of looks like nexus one) the galaxy s 3 vs HTC one x ( both the s4 us versions would be the best to compare)

Its not a perfect in the lab under the same conditions type of test but you will quickly see the amoled saves power is rubbish.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
LMAO..!

look what i found :p

[YOUTUBE]Xf-p_anYMVM[/YOUTUBE]

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wow, im impressed, you were soooooio close, but no :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Some people are happier in the dark side. Most of the time is cooler. :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
[MENTION=2986645]albundy2010[/MENTION]

So the only real advantage seems to be a more true black and higher refresh rates. (Which is kinda pointless IMO on such small displays) Seems like the plasma vs LCD argument from 10+ years ago. With AMOLED having the same problems as plasma. (Terrible viewing in the sun, easily acceptable to burn-in)

Also I found a great example of our power consumption discussion.

[MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] tame. I was honestly expecting a giant bloody pentagram. No one but the Japanese should have a "problem" with that one.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Sssshhhhhh Samsung says amoled is more power efficient. so it is! Screw the data showing otherwise
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
no no no..

omg, a surprisingly many took offence of the nuclear explosion.

later, even more took offence of robert oppenheimer welcoming them every boot up with a boot sound of oppenheimer quoted "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds".
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Well you saw the numbers. You are saving 0.05w by using an AMOLED screen.*

[Size=-4] *as long as you are always viewing a solid black image[/size]

Today is a great day. New Trinity, and new PSX. Let's see [MENTION=5029685]jonup[/MENTION] go benchmark crazy.

[MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION]

I can't believe people got offended by Oppenheimer or the nuclear explosion. Especially considering the name of the test...

But hey,

"I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
There was a die hard Christian or two that got their panties in a bunch over the 666 stuff too.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Or people on nuclear sites that needed 100% reliability and wanted overclocking removed..... or something like that, I really only remember laughing hard at the tanclown for sure and that his phone was critical at his job at some nuclear site.....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Thx for the heads up! I'll be doing the benching tomorrow.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
there was a nexus s kernel that had a 666 in black, on black, in the then trinity boot up image, before the boot animation. well, you remember some ns were amoled and some ns were lcd. on the amoled, you could barely make it out. on the lcd, you couldnt see it at all. well, there was this guy that really took offence because he didnt know it was there, he couldnt see it, and couldnt believe that we were forcing the devil onto him and others. he read a post where i said there was a hidden 666 there. upon reading his reply, i let him know about all the other 666's, even the obvious ones. needless to say, trinity wasnt for him anymore ;)

ps.

it wasnt as clean/short as this story.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yeah I remember that one in particular and was wasn't the one I was referring to.

There was others as well but he was the best or worst depending on how you look at it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
its just that you reminded me of him unknowingly ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
looks like i made up some story there, where he works was right, but it was the #060606 colored 666 in the boot logo, right, that it was unprofessional.

yet he DID run an OC kernel at his nuclear site.....

i think like simms i'm getting old and my moery is playing tricks at times :/
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Oh dear my last post is a mess.

Anyways. For those interested check out klugs quick rundown of the g2 over on anand.

Those that by every nexus device should be happy.

I am not, but I am thrilled that the chip is only using 1volt to hit 2.3 GHz.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Interesting read, wonder what part of that we will not get on the Nexus5 as for example LG's audio stack is supported by their stock player, but oh no, we couldn't accept a nexus with a LG audio player....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
So nobody ever told him about the message from Lucifer that was playing (really silently..) during the boot animation huh..?

Cheeky sods.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mixtapes08:
What's the latest trinity kernel? I been busy lately and didn't check thread often.. :)

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] superbobup:
I'm convincing myself more and more that the LG device passing through the FCC was/is the new Nexus, mainly through Motorola's "touchless controls" on the Moto X

IIRC the s800 chips have the ability for an "always listening" mode, which would work perfect with these touchless controls. Rather than going the Moto X way and making a custom core, they can use the s800 hardware as a platform for other vendors. Instead of going the custom core route, all the code should work on this standard.

No clue how the battery life compares between the s800 always on mode vs the TI DSP in the Moto X, though.

Of course all this is just random talk, but it makes more sense to me than the "Samsung made two Nexus in a row, so it's likely LG will too" **** that some people keep throwing around :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45365802
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Remoteconcern:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Yes, it will. Power consumption basically equals frequency x voltage squared. So it matters, but less than voltage.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ganzdroid:
Can someone does a good guide to explaine all the settings in the trinity app?

I find only a old guide in the galaxy nexus thread in the trinity forum.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] renna1992:
morfic would you mind having a look at this? http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37335514&postcount=9709
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

There's not many differences I think; which setting do you need explained?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Chochiwpg:
TWRP has been updated to 2.4.0.0 guys and gals. Go get it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ganzdroid:
I don't change kernel since cuople of years in a ROM and i don't know how to set RGB color (i supposed that in the original kernel all level are at maximum), i don't find the scheduler that i usually used (but maybe it's question of time), and i googled some other thing.

I think could be useful to find all the information and maybe some setting here.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Chochiwpg:
RasCarlo also just updated RasBeanJelly as well.

Wow, it's a good day today, so glad it is slow at work and I have time to play with my phone. Thanks again RasCarlo for your awesome ROM and support. Gonna flash this badboy.....with Trinity of course, what other combo would I use? :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
Hi,

It looks interesting :)

Guys I have a question (maybe a dumb question) in a setting in TKT. It's about "Force non-boot CPU(s)".

When I set it to Offline and I quit the app (back), then I reopen the app and the "Force non-boot CPU(s)" is back to Online.

I missed something? This setting doesn't remain on Offline when exiting the app?

It's not a big deal though but I would to know if it's normal?

Thanks in advance ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Crimsonthunder:
AW: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

This option is not implemented yet. Morfic will do this may be later.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Changing rgb values is very easy. The preset is by morfic.

Schedulers are there for the most I think.

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Is not activated yet, ignore it. Doesn't do anything.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Remoteconcern:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Totally normal. On means more than one core is online, off means single core online. Right now it's just a display, not a real switch.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
Re,

Ah ok, thanks guys ;)

In fact this is equivalent to "force all CPUs online", I see...

Thanks for the replies! 3 replies and no flaming, I like the atmosphere here... and love the kernel obiously ;)

:)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benrees21:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Since 486Mhz and 384Mhz use the same voltage, setting my minimum to 486Mhz won't affect the battery use??

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Same voltage at two different frequencies still results in two different consumptions.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] syncopy:
Been running at 486 MHz for more than 3 days now. Haven't really seen any difference wrt the battery life.

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Surprisingly;y haven't noticed any 'noticeable' difference in the battery life. :-o
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] thedauntlessone:
Even at the same voltage, 486Mhz will still use more battery than 384Mhz.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] 309041291a:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

After PimpMyROM tweaks...

@1242000/384000/deadline/ondemmand

I'll try and post battery at the end of the day
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] atxbang56:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

wich tweaks?

Sent from my pretty cool Nexus 4

Phone : Google Nexus 4

ROM : SlimBean RC1 (Android 4.2.1)

Kernel : Trinity
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] 309041291a:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

On demand tweaks, battery saving, Dalvik VM, OOM multitasking to medium, a bit of zram compression that fun stuff :P. I advise checking it out and looking through everything.

I'm now at 92% with 54 minutes screen

Edit: 91% a little over 1 hour. Best battery life ever

Sent from my Trinity powered Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ganzdroid:
Ok, noob question is coming. What does red head stand for?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheDarkDefender:
Is there a jwr version? And does this have gamma control?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
This is an "any kernel" and it means that you can run this kernel on JSS and JWR ROMS without problems.

With JWR ROM you just have to "disable hw overlay" and "force GPU rendering" :thumbup:

Inviato dal mio Nexus 4 con Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheDarkDefender:
Thanks.

How about gamma control? I can't live without halfbreed colors. ;)

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Don't know about this because I have not flash this new version (I switched back to 4.2.2 because of the deadlocks) but from what I know, gamma settings must be rewritten from scratch so I think they are not implemented in this kernel.

Trinity kernel policy is: "First stability and performance and after this mods and tweaks", so, for gamma settings I think we have to wait a little more ;)

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheDarkDefender:
Cool. Thanks. I'm gonna be waiting then. :)

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
It does.

My favorite feature listed in that G2 review is the inclusion of IR.

I miss being able to use my device as a universal remote. Its been a LONG time since I've been able to do that. And even back then, most devices IR wasn't powerful enough to reach the television, and you needed an external add-on. (Thinking back to my pre-cell phone, Palm OS/PPC days)

I assume that's what its used for since any of those that were around when IR file transfer was actually used knows how slow and finicky it was.

Reminds me of my friend and I doing file transfers while out to lunch at a restaurant with our PDA devices in the late 90's, positioning it just right about 1" away, and waiting literally minutes for file transfers. Heaven forbid the waitress comes with our food, or you bump one of the devices and you have to start over.

You can adjust color, but not gamma. And it won't be added until the kernel goes from testing phase to stable phase. Stability first, features second.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Actually the any kernel method basically packs the kernel Zimage into the ROM's ramdisk. So you can flash it on any ROM, especially on ROM that has its own ramdisk such as CM and AOSP master (not so sure about this one). It has nothing to do with JSS and JWR version.

Edit: I'm not trying to be a smartass.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Thanks for your explanation, I really appreciate it because it is something new that now I know ;)

Inviato dal mio Nexus 4 con Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
That is correct, its used instead of releasing two versions, one for cm, and one for aosp.....smartass ;) *don't worry, you weren't.

Anyone can go back and read old posts from the kernel threads that release two versions to see how convenient this is. Instead of answering every other post, "Hey! Is XXXX ROM AOSP based or CM based? I don't know and I don't want to read my Roms OP. Give me answer now!"

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
I'm surprised that it can record 60 FPS video. It seems that only last year (before Nexus 4 was released) there were talks about how or when we can get video recording of 60 FPS on a mobile phone.

And don't forget the root issue. "After flashing this kernel, I lost root." Anykernel method is the best.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dex2grigg:
Can anyone recommend any settings for trinity ?:)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Try all default for a while.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Note: these are settings I use for apollyon

For everyday use I run 1024/deadline, CPU: 386/1.7 hotplug 4/2, ondemand. GPU: 487 ondemand, MP off, FSYNC on, thermal throttle off. Color: R245, G244, B240 (pa contrast setting)

**currently been using with interactive CPU governor. Ondemand is still recommended since it has been optimized when compared to the default ondemand governor.

For gaming: I'll switch GPU governor to performance, if needed. (With a hidden request to morfic to add the simple governor ;) )

For benchmarks: set hotplug to 4/4, both governors set to performance, FSYNC off (beware possible data loss, make a backup!)

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dex2grigg:
Thank you mate appriate it :) PS do you keep hi_speed freq at 1.7 too? :)