yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
weird. did you try redownloading trinity? possible corrupted download.

anyone using pa? did pa modify its ramdisk?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kakito:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I have been running PA since Jan 18 Build with Trinity and Dirty Flashing PA with Trinity and Gapps since then and no issues Here. Dirty flashed Jan 23 Build PA and other day flashed TF81G and today Flashed TF84 No Problems here at all.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Pa uses stock kernel / ram disk.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

This would be my guess. Something with the ramdisk. I would wait for master Morfic to give us his opinion.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] konfuzed:
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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tdonnelly0987:
Got it working by fixing permissions in ClockworkMod Recovery. Booted up without any problems. I have no idea why this caused the phone to boot but i'm excited to finally try this kernel. Thanks guys.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

1512 is tuned for a nudge more performance, 1458 is like stock.

So it's the safest speed to boot that's closest to stock.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kakito:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

I was going to say something went wrong for you.

No ramdisk issue.

I had just Clean Flashed the ROM to test.

Flashed Trinity after booting from PA (Clean Flash) and worked for me.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Kernel uses the rom ramdisk during flashing.

Whatever they change will be picked up.

Since just about all kernels replace or modify the ramdisk on N4, let's all get in the habit of reflashing the rom if switching between kernels from different devs.

Trinity modifies the original ramdisk while flashing. (Using modified anykernel script by cayniarb)

Others have ramdisks.

Some even modify system binaries (or did at least)

Any Qualcomm phone will be like that.

So we can't act like we would on a nexus with a non Qualcomm SoC.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

1512 has been standard on every stock kernel I've seen.... No big deal though, was just wondering.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JmPTaz09:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

He means that he has tuned the 1512 frequency on his kernel to perform a bit better, not that 1512 in and of itself is tuned for more performance.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Gotcha... That makes more sense.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

+1, more or less exact scenario, all good.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] pac213:
Yup same scenario, no issues! :)

Question:

DOes UV'ing affects 3G data connection performance?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benrees21:
Re: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

To be honest, I'm not sure if I will ever get off MMuzzy ROM. Lol. I suppose I could do a nandroid and try it out.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sirxdroid:
Damn it! Mine says "ondemand" I'll switch to "arnie" asap.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Knighthawk108:
Haha I do p#ss it off on the regular by not feeding it, she's planning revenge. She's gonna bite me to death with her 3 teeth lol And I hate cats too, except my black one cause she looks like bageera and comes to me and no one else.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
choose the young arnie option.. old arnie is too inconsistent :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Really appreciated. :highfive:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] styckx:
Any of you use a car charger with your Nexus 4? Currently, and always I use\ a cigarette lighter inverter so I just plug my OEM wall plug charger and do it that way.. I'd like a full cigarette lighter --> microUSB adapter instead.. The fan on the inverter is getting annoying to listen to whine.

I've always been really sketchy about purchasing one though since there are OVER 9000 choices and I'm afraid of cheaply made loot and frying my precious gadgets.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
^^ Frying a gadget in the car, I wouldn't think. That it might not charge it fast enough unless you enable usb fast charge, probably yes..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Riding the bronco again :D

Forgot how smooth this build was for me...... Thanks again for finding it Simms

Sent from my blazing bionic Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
Man, prayers to those in Oklahoma. Horrible destruction
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Oh Lord, poor people..

There'll be a lot of casualties in that.

8-12 minute warning..? :(:(:(
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
That's just so crazy scary. A mile wide tornado. They said they found objects that were picked up and were now 75 miles away when they dropped
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
Just some news, I did decide to RMA my phone after going back to stock. It was having issues :(

I did do some last minute stuff before back to stock on franco kernel, and I'm quite pleased with the gamma settings I made. I based them off of Obsanity's values, but with way more contrast. The result is beautiful and vibrant:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=41620501&postcount=1145

I don't know what kind of Gamma settings Trinity uses, but if it looks compatible, try it out :P

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] FaithCry:
[MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION]'s rasbean build is noticeably faster and smoother. O_o
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
Some say he made a pact with the Devil...

Others say he uses Linaro 6.66...

I say that his mere presence is enough to charge his Note in 2 minutes.

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
are you calling me the devil? ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Simer03:
No dude don't u know...

Sent from my Google Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
Warning.

Only if you want me to ;)

#spank
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
The devil went down to Georgia. Your in nyc
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
Unless you look like this
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] thedudejdog:
Mom?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Naa Laa:
What repo was morfic referring to for his magic build?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Connor Baker:
Ugh. Should never have flashed paranoid android. Now I can't live without PIE.

And why does CM use their own version of PIE? P.A's is much sleeker, and I think it would be nicer (both for the user, and for the original developer's pride), if CM just used P.A's version. Is there any reason why CM made their own?

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
some have been asking that question for years now :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Because it's cm. Its their way to change things just because. I believe their reasoning was so it fit in with their ux better. LOL.

Not a crack flasher but all the roms with pie I have seen have a modified version. Probably a combo of them wanted to change it and it not being a easy merge. One of the main goals of pie2 was to make it easier to merge into other roms. Or maybe than was hybrid2. Dont remember.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] styckx:
Been using LMT.. It has a good universal PIE-Like feature that slipstreams into any ROM.. Learning curve is a little steeper to initially setup and you have to disable HW overlays but.. It does its job so that's all that matters.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] styckx:
Yep.. My favorite was that awful file manager they shoe horned in.. Did anyone ever actually try to use that thing? It's thee worst UX I've ever had with any android app ever...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I have Griffin powerjolt in the statesthat bearly sticks out of the lighter with two usb outs. It works great.

Bought a similarly looking one in eastern Europe for twice as much and it ain't worth shiet.

BTW, I always have fast charge on. It's set on boot.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] styckx:
Ordered. That's all I needed. Someone who uses something and it just works.. So many cheap and counterfeit accessories out there.. 1/2 work, 1/2 are complete trash...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I ordered mine from Amazon. There were uploaded photos of counterfeits and blah, blah, blah... I didn't care about that, just that it works. It was less than 5 bucks. Do I care devoting any of my time figuring out whether it's fake!?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] styckx:
I don't care if it's fake and works.. I just don't want fake and shoddy construction that flakes out after a week.. I also ordered mine from Amazon..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Just checked carbon changelog. May 21 nightly includes davik improvement. Eager to download and bench it once I get to a WiFi.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Maybe some of you find this article interesting (I did) about what's coming on android:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6965/the-next-version-of-android-some-of-whats-coming
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
Ugh. Something went down in the axiom thread and it's now deleted
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
So trinity in terms of opening apps ,UI and benchs is the fastest and smoothest without a doubt ..

where it kinda fails is the gaming performance , and i just dont get why ... i did this test just now..

Beachbuggy blitz

no oc on both cpu or gpu, and both were 384 - 1.5ghz

Trinity - 40-50 fps

Franco - 58-60fps

Now francos to me doesnt feet as smooth as trinity does in the UI and in terms of benchs .... well

Geekbench

Trinity - 2380

franco - 2250

any ideas why the gaming performance would be suffering? i really wanna use trinity as the UI is so smooth, but the gaming performance is the only thing holding it back imo
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
I'm not sure trinity supports that gpu speed, i think it is something like 320 or 487. And sometimes benchmarks go for the highest possible speeds although you set 100mhz, so that would explain why it benchmarks higher (487 vs 400).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
He (dev) posted pics of his c#ck after having some fight with the mods. Check his twitter thing, fckng hilarious.. :P And wrong, obviously.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
? trinity is stock speed on the gpu right ? so is franco .. ?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Yap.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Totally agree.....PIE addict here too and because of it I "miss out" on all the fun new Roms with stupid CM PIE. Its such an inferior product it isnt even funny. I think CM has innovated Android in a million different ways and brought development to the forefront. Having said that and with all due respect to CM and other great devs, PA is the most original, innovative dev team out there right now.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
How do you guys use pie? With status bar or not?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Check out Commotio if youre looking for something interesting and different. Doesnt benchmark like others (no bionic optimizations) but is the smoothest UI in a Rom Ive ever experienced. Trinity is default too :p

http://goo.im/devs/DHO/2-Commotio/B50/B50-Commotio-MAKO.zip

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When Im using PA, without. Especially with Halo in the mix now. All others I need status bar on so I can see notifications.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
How do you guys find the gaming performance on trinity? ... im just gonna requote my post here , because like i said , its the one thing that holds trinity back from being perfect :

..

So trinity in terms of opening apps ,UI and benchs is the fastest and smoothest without a doubt ..

where it kinda fails is the gaming performance , and i just dont get why ... i did this test just now..

Beachbuggy blitz

no oc on both cpu or gpu, and both were 384 - 1.5ghz

Trinity - 40-50 fps

Franco - 58-60fps

Now francos to me doesnt feet as smooth as trinity does in the UI and in terms of benchs .... well

Geekbench

Trinity - 2380

franco - 2250
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
Las time i tried trinity default gpu speed was 487MHz, and there wasn't 400MHz step. In franco the default gpu speed is 400MHz.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Thats correct. Trinity GPU is OC to 487, 400mhz is stock and that step is removed from Trinity.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
ah ok , but that confuses me even more ... because im getting better fps in gaming on franco :(

Beachbuggy blitz

no oc on both cpu or gpu, and both were 384 - 1.5ghz

Trinity - 40-50 fps

Franco - 58-60fps
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Ooops. My fault..

(thought gpu was stock..) :eek::what::sly:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Franço's combination of his governor tweaks, hotplug driver and thermal driver probably just works better for gaming.

I dont game much at all so I can't contribute much.

Trinity has a overclocked gpu. It boots at 1026 with hot plugging off. It uses thalamus hotplug driver. Thermal I don't know what is used and what the thermal throttle temp is, nor do I know how it down clocks when it's reached.

I am not a fan that driver myself at all. Or better yet any configuration of it I used.

I almost actually sent a email to morfic and simms the other day to suggest building a test kernel with a different hotplug driver. I didn't because I fell asleep. Was interested to see or better yet simms to see how a kernel with the driver ezekeel is using on 7 would do on this device. I ran it on my 7 for a day before it broke and was impressed by it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Try using TF125 with min cores set at 4 and max at 1512 with thermal throttling off and check gaming performance. Im guessing Trinity has the stock throttle temp and it can be either on or off unlike Francos which is configurable. I also think Francos hotplugging routine (as albundy said) is more advanced and tweaked better for gaming and onlining cores when necessary. You stated you set Trinity to 384/1512, but did you change the minimum cores online to 1 or some other number? That would also make a difference as it may not be onlining all cores during the game and Francos is. I suspect thermal throttling is the culprit though. Franco default is 70c.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
Thanks for that , that makes it a little clearer , , its just a little frustrating ( no offense meant) lol trinity is so awesome in app opening and UI performance , but in that game beach buggy blitz it loses in some areas 20fps over francos .. which is just too much for me :( ... whats even more annoying is that francos isnt as smooth as trinitys in the UI lol ...

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i didnt change the cores , i just changed the high freq to stock value... anyway , thanks for the replies!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
4 cores minimum@1512 during gameplay will definitely be throttling if you dont turn it off. Try turning it off and repeat the test, I bet you get very different results.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
so would it be better to turn it off completely ( isnt that dangerous) . or go down to 1024 ?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Either will probably work, but I think games favor frequency over cores online....could be wrong though. I know for sure turning off throttling will improve gameplay, but WATCH YOUR TEMPS......dont want to overheat your phone. I suggest TempMonitor as a solution to watch them. You can try both though, it would be an interesting experiment. So would changing the min online to 1 and leaving it [MENTION=1528666]151[/MENTION]2.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
Ok , will test that out in a little while, im just flashing a different custom rom right now lol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Welcome to flashaholics anonymous.....my name is Chad, its been less than 24 hrs since I flashed a custom Rom :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
Well today iv flashed.... Franco, Matrix ,Trinity, and charmeleon rom .... i have a problem
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Were here for you man....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
It's amazing how many android users aren't aware of the possibility of turning yout phone into a wifi hotspot. The wifi in my university has failed and people panicked. And I'm in a engineering school. :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
You could have stopped at "its amazing how many Android users aren't aware" :D ......this is one of the side effects of its new found popularity.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] pa.pn2:
Lollllll. Good one
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
Ok so ... i also tested matrix , which i believe uses the same hotplug code as trinity ...

all were set to 384 - 1.5ghz

gpu i didnt touch, so whatever stock is .

Beach buggy blitz

Matrix - 37-48 ( Turned off thermal throttle )

Trinity - 37-50 ( turned off thermal throttle)

Franco - 55-60 ( throttle was set to 85)

Geekbench

Matrix - 2320

Trinity - 2380

Franco - 2270

3dmark -

matrix - 12190 graphics test 1 ( 55.4 fps)

trinity - 12100 (55.1fps)

franco - 10836 (50.1fps)

Matrix and trinity ( especially trinity) feel faster and smoother than franco in the UI and opening apps,. and the benches are higher .. even the GPU test ones ( which kinda confuses me , because you would thin that would mean better fps in games)

but in Actual gaming.. franco has a MUCH higher framerate...

it has to be the hotplugging routines?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Very interesting.....appreciate the thorough testing. Maybe Morfic has some insight into this. Or maybe Franco's new home brewed hotplug is that much better that Thalmus's...if throttling isnt in the equation it has to be something.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
Yea i agree , strange though , because i had cpu monitor open trying to see what the cores and freq were doing and it didnt look overly different . maybe i just didnt know what to look at though lol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
is there a governor difference in these beach buggy blitz tests that y'all are doing?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Good point, Franco uses Interactive so maybe thats a difference. Maybe re-test with the same Interactive settings. I also wonder if this happens on all games or BBB is a one off anomaly.

OT, so far so good on the bronco.....hasnt bucked me once yet :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
ive heard of bbb being an anomaly before, so it still might. to get more accurate results, try a full spectrum of games(or at least a few different games. one game might favor something over another.).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
i tested a few different governors including interactive on trinity , same results though :(

edit - oh wait same interactive settings? that i didnt do .
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Any Xbox fans here? The next console is called the Xbox one. HTC one.... Xbox one.. hmmm
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
I use Candy Crush to benchmark kernels. Does that count? :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
no, im diabetic :silly:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
So i just did a really quick test on vice city ...

I know the test isnt exactly accurate , but i did the same thing on both , for the same amount of time " timed" .

franco

average - 35

min - 26

trinity -

Average - 28

min - 18
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Very curious results....I would have never guessed that to be the case. I will say Franco's hotplug solution is very impressive though.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hello247:
What bronco build you trying out?

SwiftKeyed using Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
An old test build....TF114. I am shocked at how cool it runs, much more so than TF125 does for me, but 4 cores online does seem to be the biggest difference.

Here is the link Simms gave me..... http://goo.gl/OsNGL
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] BrandoHD:
Franco also uses a scalable interactive, where the interactive settings change upon higher load

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
It would be interesting to test a Franco kernel of the same "vintage" and see how it compares. Not sure which Franco kernel was made around 4/24 but I imagine M1 or so would be a fair test.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lichti1901:
Yummy. I'll definately buy the X-Box.

And the ONE also ;)

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] superbobup:
Sorry, I didn't read your other posts so maybe you tried this already: with ondemand try increasing sampling_down_factor? I think this game lag issue happened before, and I think it was due to the frequency dropping too low too fast. Can you use CPU spy or perfmon to see it as you play?

Again, sorry if you tried this already. It was just something that came to mind
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
With. Why does it matter? It's personal preference and depends on user pattern. Sorry if I sound harsh. Don't mean it just some shiet pissed me off in personal life.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Crabby pants...:p J/K, hope all goes well for you in life :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Can you set min and max at the same value. If the variance is gone, then it is the governor.

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Nah, everything always goes well in my life. Just I can't get to everyone that pisses me off.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] immunityx:
matrix and franco uses interactive

trinity uses ondemand
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Unless he recently switched Matr1x has always used Ondemand.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] immunityx:
I cant get the fast charge option to stick in the trinity toolkit whenever i slide the option to Enable and plug in my phone it disable itself when i check the toolkit again. Also it doesnt charge by "AC" it stays to USB

bug?:confused:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
I dont think Trinity has fast charge on the N4. I could be wrong though.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
That's a good idea. Will test when I get home
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markeithst:
Why are all of my processor cores on all at once when even not doing anything?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Thats by design. Its been determined that the process of hotplugging (turning cores on/off) "costs" more battery then simply leaving them on full time, especially with the lower frequency it boots at. I can absolutely confirm this and regularly get 4-5 hrs SOT on all data with the default kernel settings. If you dont like it like that it can be turned off though.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] immunityx:
dang hope [MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] can bring this feature to the N4:D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
It does support fast charge.

It won't stick because morfic made it not stick because if you have it on you can't connect to your pc so he didn't feel like hearing complaining from those that forgot it was on