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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Considering I run a Dual Core A15 chip at 1.0 ghz instead of 1.7 shows the capability of the chip.

I would Much rather they go shrink processes to reduce the heat instead of pushing cores and clocks.

And of course, software optimizations.

Push the efficiency of the dalvik engine.

Optimize what the gpu does while using general apps.

Spreading the computing power also helps manage heat in passive cooling systems.

If we stay on the desktop cpu analogies, their processes kept on getting shrunk instead of selling cpus that throttle prematurely.

A lot of that throttling certainly has to do with user perceptions of what is hot, and they know that the inexperienced user only knows the top clock of their cpu as it is advertised and that the device is fast, that they may never realize the throttling that is going on.

So they rather curb the "this phone gets hot"

Consider what would go on if they didn't do it considering the plethora of xda "hot nexus 4" threads in existence already.

I want them to shrink the process, so we get "real 1.5 ghz" phones.

One you can run without taking it closer to thermal limits of the design to get what you actually paid for without the perceptions of "shít is warm, damn"

It's like a sports car that after 5 minutes full throttle driving on the Autobahn gets limited to driving 80mph, sure it gets you around, but that's not what you paid for.

Personally I don't care about big.LITTLE until the A53/A57 cores hit.

Then it might be a viable, interesting option.

Google those if you are interested.

We oc because we can, certainly not because it is needed.

Making the kernels more efficient helps more than overclocKing them.

Still not overclocking my nexus 10, been the longest I could resist the urge to see what I can do because I can.

I'll probably pick up a hisense sero 7 pro to tickle it before I buy a new nexus 7, because I just need a shrunk down nexus 10 to play mp3s for me, so storage is at the fore front, not resolution (covered by nexus 10), nor games.

At $149 it's hard to pass up with added sdcard slot, hdmi out, rear camera, dual band wifi over the existing nexus 7.

How they react to source requests might play the biggest role in deterring me from a purchase at this point.

What was that about? The latest and greatest is not always == what I need right now ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Basically.

I am not getting at what the community dose with the SoC / kernel.

More or less establish the sweet spot of power and efficiency for the design and actually ship it there.

They have been constantly pushing performance at basically all costs. Ignoring how much power these things are sucking to get there.

I am also curious to see how even a current working a15 big little would do. Would rather it not be the 2x4 cluster set up.. But I'd like to see a proper working one period. Not this current garbage that has a broken interconnect between the clusters.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Meanwhile in central Jakarta...

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
He's on WiFi lol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Daym! Internet speeds are even better in Indonesia than Manila..lol. Telcos here in the Philippines are a really lousy bunch.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
hows nyc treating you so far?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Nice catch....I didnt see that either.....young eyes ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
It was just for a comparison ;)

Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that. I mean that's just basically a speed test. Real life usage, it's totally different.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
If he was getting those kind of speed on mobile data, I'll be mad! Highest I got on 4g lte in NYC was like 10mbs. Average at 5mbs. :/ The ping though makes it up lol.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Wait, I thought I saw simms posted that kind of speed sometime ago.

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
Second battery cycle
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Ive gotten 30/30 before...just not pings that low.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
from my neighborhood in brooklyn, i get much better speeds in brooklyn and in queens than i do in manhattan. pings arent that low :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Thats around what I average too.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ser Gilgoroth:
Installed PSX, initial observation is fast!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
[MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] Manta is uploading as we speak....should be up in 30 or so. Would definitely appreciate any feedback you have :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
I'll grab it tomorrow, right now I'm debating when exactly to tell my boss I have a new job starting next week. So I'm still in "no downloads land"

Thanks for building it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Only article worth reading about the new Samsung SoC.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7164/samsung-exynos-5-octa-5420-switches-back-to-arm-gpu
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
i just read that myself http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/22/exynos-5-octa-5420/
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Dude, it is the marketing department. It is way easier to sell bigger numbers and buzzwords. Do you really go through getting a PhD in every discipline you buy a product!? No. Most things you are not interested in too much, you buy by reading the description on the box or doing half arse research. For people that are not as passionate about phones as you are, buzzwords sell phones. People don't care what Nexus is when they ask me if I have a Galaxy. I moved on to just tell them it is an LG. Ignorance!? We are all are. We only notice when others are ignorant towards the things we are not. We are humans.

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About the car: don't buy Tesla, you'd wish you could do 80mph after 5 minutes of flat out.

Let us know if you buy sero 7. I'll be interested in it if you gonna mod the kernel. My pos cheapo tablet is on its way out and it would need a replacement. Not interested in a big tablet.

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I'm upgrading to unlimited data when I get back in the States (Aug 4th). Might even thin of shutting my cable internet.

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What do I wipe in twrp to do a clean install? Cwm was so much more intuitive to me. I want to try ctfronmn builds but I get constant FCs when I dirty flash on top of carbon.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
factory reset
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Is my nandroid backup safe? Where is factory reset?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Go to Wipe. The standard wipe should be wipe /data and /cache. (it'll show you that on top). It won't wipe /sdcard
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
When I buy a camera, I know what I but why.

If I don't care,o don't buy top dollars.

It's what top dollars gets you that I was referring to.

Then again, maybe I'm just too broke to have to care about what top dollar devices get me?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
was surprised that you didnt know where it was. but im over it now :angel:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I didn't see it in rectory but it is in the twrp manager. Also, real concern with my nandroid. I'm installing just to bench.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
That is why I use CWM Touch, I could do it, don't care to use TWRP anyone. That is just from my experience.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I switched cause Simms found a problem with my cwm kernel that was causing random reboots once in a long while.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
i completely forgot to ask you, have you had random reboots like before, after flashing twrp?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Once in a blue moon. Definitely quite a few less then before. I've been using the phone a lot less too. Can you tell me if the nandroid backup is safe from factory reset?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Dirty flashed over rbj 6/21

Running good right now.

Since I flashed over a rom that was up for weeks and was under memory pressure, I'll give qualified feedback after a few days.

Thanks.

Edit: after a quick look, seems to come close to other optimized Roms I've ran before, didn't have enough free storage for an antutu test, read/write bombed crazy ;)

Using it at 1100MHz is nice.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] cryingrock:
Really well said, much appreciated:)

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trillo69:
After a few days I'm pretty sure that 4.3 is smoother than any 4.2.2 rom, scroll is much better in every single app. I hope they release everything soon so we can have custom kernels.

Good luck in your new job.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Haha. Yes it's on WiFi. And yes, for me, it's impressive. You have to understand where I came from, where if you want to get this kind of speed on WiFi, you'll have to pay "top dollar" as morfic said earlier. From what I can tell, they're paying a pittance for this speed here.

I don't want to leave. Lol. Seriously we just got here yesterday morning and was just wasted from the 21 hour trip. I barely functioned until a got a couple of hours sleep. (Travelling with a baby is really, really tiring.) Today we'll probably start off with some shopping to buy supplies since forecast is thunderstorms. (Really impressive weather forecast here). And see the sights the next few days. Any tips on how to enjoy your city best? I know you walk around everyday after you exceeded the age allowed for driving. :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Impressions of a Goa full moon festival.. ;)

Brain will recover soon, hopefully.. :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Gnome:
Ubuntu edge phone just made me Lol'd while watching it in youtube. 4.5" display with 4Gb of RAM and 128Gb of internal Storage. Pffftt... It'll be nice if they pull it off though...

☆★ Click "Show Content" on my sig for my Guides and MODs. ☆★​
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] adityak28:
This was in Goa?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
No, sorry for that. Was in Germany, one of the oldest festivals in Europe.

Wish it was in Goa though.. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] adityak28:
Ah OK! Hope u had a kick ass time.. Oh and wish your brain a speedy recovery too :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] poyskie:
Can someone give me a link for the latest kernel build and tell me what app to control it with
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] takimane40k:
Another ROM spawned from the Trinity + RBJ family. Congratulations. :thumbup:

Nexus 4 RBJ running the latest Trinity.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
And an amazing family it is :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
I will give it a try as soon as I can, thanks for sharing mate ;)

[MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION]: Congrats for your new job, best wishes!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Ok all....found a new camera bug. Seems as it is, trying to edit a photo causes FC. I have 2 options and would like your feedback as I solved it on my end already.

1) Leave it as is and try to figure out how to add the gallery as a user app while building or...

2) Remove the gallery/camera app from the build and let you guys install either the 4.3 one I will have in my folder or one from any GApps package you choose.

Im open to either, but I can do option 2 in about 30 minutes and option 1, while more elegant will take me some time.

Let me know....in the meantime Im going to add a second build without the camera built in.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] italia0101:
Can you guys tell me what terminal code I need to disable cores? I want to use it as a sorta eco mode on tasker when battery gets low.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
"I know you walk around everyday after you exceeded the age allowed for driving"

Rlmao on that! Didn't know that Simms was that old! Chuckle
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
From the master himself...

Originally Posted by simms22 View Post

in your terminal emulator or use a root file explorer by going to this location..

su(press enter)

echo 1 > /sys/module/auto_hotplug/parameters/min_online_cpus(press enter)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] S2Powa:
ctfrommn; tested your new rom and it's very fast, only thing I miss its the adjustable nav bar, I think it's too big in stock rom.. Any possibility of adding in the future?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] qu3becker:
It's missing the 4.3 camera libs AFAIK. You would need to flash this to get it working correctly. Haven't tried on this particular ROM but it works on RasSaber+ with 4.3 manually installed as system app.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=43182737
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Nice....I only pulled the new lightcycle (photosphere) one. I will confirm and correct the builds and re upload if thats the case. I love this thread :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
No marketing department is doing voltage / power curves for the SoC.

Marketing doesn't even mention the chips. You haven't seen one galaxy add mentioning the SoC.

The spec listings at the store are done by the store.

People don't buy phones from reading the box. They buy because of name / brand recognition and by holding the devices in store.

People are not going into a carrier store and making their purchases based on the specs listed.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Lol, you figured simms out well.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Ok, gold star for [MENTION=4259039]qu3becker[/MENTION] ....that worked perfectly. New builds will be up momentarily. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] eminembdg:
So we were supposed to leave OC Maryland yesterday. I start my girlfriend's car so the air conditioner could cool it down inside. I go back inside to get my girlfriend and our daughter. 7 minutes later we come out to leave and the car is now off and won't start. I figure it could be the camshaft position sensor. Call around for shops and only one around can come tow the car but can't look at it till this morning.

They called this morning and I was right about the problem. That was almost 3 hours ago and still no call yet to say they're done. I'm getting anxious because we both missed work today and we need to repack the entire car again and drive 3+ hours home.

Blah lol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
www.derkernel.com

From me you'd hear "my app" obviously.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Min cores wouldn't keep it from using more.

What's missing there is max cores.

That's supposed to come "real soon now"
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kptnk:
Whoua man, sure you had a wonderful time there ! :good:

It reminds me a lot of fun....back in 90ies (!), when Transe Goa Rave parties were everywhere....:p

Gaia Parties were epic ...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Doh!! Youre right, I thought he was asking to change the min online.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Based on people asking me,I believe there is targeted nerdvertising, convince the wannabe tech savvy to tell their friends what's good.

Not all thought to be tech savvy are real nerds, so the scheme works out for the companies, fooled by buzzwords.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
I want to add max cores for some time now, as I'd like to compare "always 4 cores online" with "always 2 cores online" for some time now.

It would be a simple merge of an existing feature, just haven't had time.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
What is marketing crap is the nonsense they're doing right now with the DROID
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
you cant go wrong visiting any museum.. any of the art museums, natural history,, etc. what part of the city are you staying in?

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the latest kernel is tf133. it can be found at derkernel.com , chose mako(nexus4).

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I didn't know that either, learn something new everyday!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
It's because you start forgetting things, so you "learn them again"
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Speaking of Simms, here's me doing an impression. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
tf150 is up for testing! http://goo.gl/O5Sj0T

its a blind test, so dont ask :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
finally :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Woot! New TF while I'm in NY! Priceless! :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sd_matto:
PSX for Tilapia?

Let me know if you decide to go down the road of making this for the N7 3G (Tilapia). I am looking for a non-CM ROM to use across both of my devices, and I would be happy to test for you. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mprziv:
Simms, does morfic post his kernel code?

I remember you raised the question about the 4.3 leak could include malicious code. I know morfic would never do that, just wondering if kernel sources and code are usually made available by devs under gpl?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
If I have the device tree somewhere I will try it.

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What are the changes in the blind test :p

Sorry, had to do it ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
10000 people, 4 days, not ONE single fight or theft or anything else off the police book, no problems. Love, friendship & good mood.

Yeah, my once a year escape to a festival is a great medicine for what I go through in the pub.. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
That might have to do with the sheer volume of drugs being taken....makes for passivity. Look to our own hippies to see that.

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Nice....like the max online feature...well done Morfic :)

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Ok....PSX+TF150=:victory::victory::victory:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
You are the man! :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] qu3becker:
No biggie. :) Glad I could help. Really enjoying your RasSabers builds on both my Grouper and my Mako, so thanks for that.

Oh and the new kernel build works great so far.

Here's some randon pictures.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Hmm..2cores min and 2 cores max? Odd lol

Sent from my Saber-Tooth mako
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Zainiak:
Hey I've been using your rbj builds lately, but I have to ask, would you be willing you include voice+ in your next builds? I love the feature on cm10.1
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
on release kernels yes. gpl l says he has too. on test kernels, no. thats when we are figuring out what we want to do with the kernel. ill post test kernel after i make sure that no other phone will get harmed, to get feedback for morfic. after they pass, either that obe or a revised kernel will get posted to derkernel.com(public release), where all kernels have source. he usually privides source with rhe release, but sometimes(rarely) its posted a day or two after.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
I can look....thats not an easy implementation though. For me at least...Im older than even Simms :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Duh :)

Look in OP, my signature, and tell me it's hard to find again ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Zainiak:
Alright I wouldn't know lol, just asking
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
I'd like to invite everyone to run the kernel as flashed for a few days and then report back.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Even the colors....shiver :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
On default settings? I changed it.

Sent from my Saber-Tooth mako
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
2 cores @ 1026 will be interesting....need a good buzzword for this though.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
To slow with what is being tested for me to do so.

But so is default 133.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Ok as booted, except colors. :P

Well, really :(

But I'll live.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Testing now....is still remarkably smooth. Well done....I may need to figure out how to bake Trinity into my Rom.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
:mad::banghead: I always run it at max though..

(ooookkk, I'll leave it as is then and uninstall tkt. Don't even know what it booted at actually, don't tell me!! :p Btw, it is very crispy & smooth..)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] flaviocc:
Tks Simms and Morfic, running the blind test :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
You have a file "kernel" in your device tree, copy zImage out of zip over it, keeping the kernel name.

Since there are no modules, nothing to add to any Android.no

Next time you build it'll bake the ramdisk onto the zImage and presto.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mprziv:
Sorry, I was just curious if you had kernel sources posted. I should have assumed you would have since you're super awesome.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
But doesnt the ramdisk have thermald/mpdecision in it....that doesnt play well with Trinity. I tried it once.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
And look at my updater script, copy it and the scripts called to modify the ramdisk on the fly.

Copy the relevant pieces.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Where would those go inside the rom/build files?

Sorry, I dont know enough about kernels to even be dangerous.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Sorry, I'm not a rom builder, when I did build Roms I made adjustments post finish, ie unzip, edit, rezip.

You can just recommend trinity if the inclusive version turns out to be too much work. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
It wouldn't be possible to be on xda and not post source.

That's why there are individuals on xda that has their threads locked, and are now just regular users ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Ill figure it out....I already only recommend Trinity or Franco....2 best out there. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
Nice surprise!

Downloading and flashing now, I will report back in a few days ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
not really doing much today, got my head shaved( :) ) and did take a bunch of flower pics already, going between the subway and my place. i do like this one, it contrasts in many ways. light and dark, near and far, violet and yellow.. will post more later.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Stefa.:
A really fast question on this new kernel... Is it supposed that the phone will use always 2 cores? Because on trickster I see this:

Btw Simms, always very cool pics!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
yes.

thanks :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] naveediftikhar:
i cant download r6...mediafire link on clicking download give a "broken link" error on chrome!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
and there shouldn't be any. the difference that you will "see" would be in benchmark scores. for example, compare antutu from both.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] robs898:
hmm its working for me downloading atm :silly:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] pa.pn2:
AW: [DER KERNEL] Trinity Four

Do that. Its worth it:)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] naveediftikhar:
ok download started..!