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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] superchilpil:
The reason why the droid DNA has source already is because its counterpart the HTC j butterfly was released well before the DNA and even before the HOX+

So that's why source is out already because it was released before

The international version will always get updates/source before anything else.

I believe there are less restrictions

And american branded phones will always get them last because of the many restrictions we have here either due to patents or restrictions via carriers

Its just how it is, and HTC likes to take their time.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
The HTC one xl aka AT&T one x is not an American branded phone or exclusive to America or anything special or different to any other phone.

AT&T are just one of the many carriers that sell the phones. The jb update has landed on other carriers prior to AT&T and kernel for that has not come yet either.

At&t have zero to do with any release or source things with this phone. They are just a another carrier.

Othen than iPhone, mobile phones always only had a few months at the top before a new flagship landed. Htc, samsung, Nokia, etc have long been prolific with releases to try to one up or at least equal each other to encourage upgrades and stay fresh. HTC one xl is still on sale and considered a high end phone on lte carriers. Just it is nearing 12 months old and that isn't fresh in the technology world.

I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.

No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] n19htmare:
The only lesson to learn is to never buy an HTC product on AT&T.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] omario8484:
That's quite an immature reply... What are you so butthurt about? Go switch to Verizon and tell me how you like their customer service..

And Verizon takes longer for updates usually...hopefully you're not an adult to put out a response like that...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] superchilpil:
He's right, Verizon is horrible with updates

Glad I switched!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
Verizon lacks Google wallet does it not and also has issues with locked bootloaders and late updates.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
AT&T also lacks Google wallet.

Sent from my HTC One XL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fitchpuckman:
well i wasn't trying to start a flamefest, but apparently this is turning into an engadget-esque thread pretty quickly. the basis of my original post was that i was under the impression that the int'l One XLs had source before we did, but I really couldn't recall. I just thought it was interesting that our ATT HOX had to wait so long for source and the DNA basically dropped with it.

thanks for taking this one way beyond unreasonable. I'm not complaining about JB or lack thereof, and I can fully assure you that I comprehend the life cycles of technology. Based on your response, I'm guessing you're either an immature HS senior or a disgruntled 35yr old former best buy employee. Regardless, if you want to criticize me for simply looking for clarification or an opinion, then that's your problem. However, the best way to talk about "everything else adults own" is to actually give the slightest impression that you are an adult. Thanks for absolutely zero contribution to this thread, and probably the forums in general.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fitchpuckman:
Thanks, I didn't realize the DNA and Butterfly were so closely tied in terms of final hardware/software. Yes, the American carriers take forever to get anything through to their devices. And yes, HTC never seems to be rushing to get anything done, and with the host of delays throughout the life cylce of this HOX, I'm not sure why I'm holding my breath. Maybe it's because I really do love this phone and wish it could have been treated the way it was billed at release. I just wish I didn't have corporate restrictions and had the freedom to mod this thing like I did my old Atrix.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
The international One XL did not get kernel source in a more timely manner, they are getting it at the same time.

As for flaming, I made no personal attacks towards you but you did towards me?

I am not a HS senior or a disgruntled best buys employee, I am an adult however.

You asked for opinion and I gave you mine, which is that there is a common vibe from the AT&T One X users(including you) that AT&T is the reason for late kernel drops and lateness in software releases. I am pointing out that in my opinion neither are related to AT&T.

Many users also are complaining/disgruntled that the AT&T One X was dropped as the flagship.

Eg you:

"look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months"

Once again in my opinion it was dropped in a similar time frame to any phone getting dropped by any carrier or brand.

I gave 3 opinions about 3 direct things you asked for opinions on.

-kernel source

-release rate

-flagship status

You asked for opinions, I gave mine.

In reply you attempted to personally flamed me. You do not seem to forum well.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fitchpuckman:
The One X (Int'l) got source (~1mo from release, only a few weks for some countries)) two times faster than the ATT One X/XL (just under 2 months after release). I know it's picky, but I'm simply saying.

Now, please go back and read my original comments and stop taking portions of my words out of context.

And I didnt say you were flaming me, I just said this was turning into a flamefest. Yes, I participated at that point, which makes me no better than I called out, I suppose.

Regardless, I started this thread just looking for thoughts regarding the DNA and the timeliness of it's source code release on Verizon, and how that relates to ATT dragging its feet with most devices that aren't it's one carrier 'flagship' phone (at this point, i think the SGS3). If you think this has nothign to do with ATT, then that's fine; that's was I was asking not telling. I wasn't here complaining, I was here discussing. Am I thrilled with ATT right now? Of course not, but this didn't start as a whiny rant, and I'd prefer it didn't end that way. I appreciate the opinions you've shared, but I think some were a little misguided in nature.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
You had mentioned the International One XL in particular not the International One X. The One XL in all regions had source dropped at about the same time.

The International One X is an entirely unrelated phone.

h8rift said his personal feeling was HTC release source based on sales.

This translates to:

It appears there is a constant backlog of devices waiting for source to be released in general and the backlog is cleared on a priority basis.

The higher the sales of a phone the higher the priority, with a "once it hits 90 days the device always gets high priority" catchall.

Devices such as the International One X and One S have massive sales and see the source released first. They are available in nearly all markets and are slightly cheaper so sell well.

Phones with less sales such as One XL take longer, typically the full 90 days.

DroidDNA was a side effect of the phone was already available for a long time in another region. It has already waited in line.

Perhaps people can be upset if AT&T keep taking the more uncommon models such as the new AT&T One X+ versus the normal International One X+. If the phone inst generally available everywhere the sales will be less and that means lower priority for updates and source.

But I think AT&T are just an early adopter in the world with LTE so for the next year or so they with Rogers, Telus, Singtel, Telstra, Vodafone, O2 will keep ending up with flagship models that are less common than they could otherwise be and it is not really their fault for being bleeding edge?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fitchpuckman:
my mistake, I was misremembering the releases and mixing up the LTE vs hspa versions.

Out make an interesting point about ATT (and other similar carriers) being a sort of early adopter, at least in terms of network technology. I had always stuck with them due to the GSM networks while others continued to build around the CDMA. Network speeds made this an easy decision, as did the crap battery life that folks at Verizon and Sprint had to deal with due to early LTE phones being stuck with two radios. But you are right that ATT deserves some slack for having been a little ahead of the curve in terms of this, and that does put them at a disadvantage in terms of having access to a more common/standard build of software for its phones.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] twistedddx:
Telstra in Australia had a nationwide cdma network and replaced it with hspa+ complimenting their existing metro gsm/hspa coverage.

As far as Telstra was concerned they saw cdma as inferior and at great expense replaced it with a hspa+ network with similar coverage.

I trust Telstra know what they are doing and with near infinately deep pockets they will build(and rebuild!) whatever is best. So apparently gsm/hspa/hspa+/lte is the best network type :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fitchpuckman:
That's pretty great to hear. Prior to AT&T branding and full takeover, Cingular went to GSM standard very early on. It's paid off in terms of having a widespread hspa+ network, the big 4 in the US still have quite a bit of variation in terms of network types offered. luckily, I live in an area (Chicago) where ATT has had tremendous (by my experience) LTE coverage since the LTE rollout, but I can see where others who live in more rural areas would be pretty disappointed in the lack thereof. Verizon pretty much has a lockdown on all rural-type areas. ATT plays the democratic political strategy of just catering to large metro areas with high concentrations of cell users. Not a bad strategy, really. Sucks, though, that they are notoriously just wretched in terms of customer satisfaction. Obviously CS is pretty subjective and everyone has good and bad experiences everywhere, but AT&T is the bottom of the US pack, year after year. my trick is to just do everything possible to avoid contacting customer service. aside from an VM glitch on my g/f's pantech burst, i've been pretty successful in recent years.
[Android Software Development] heX79:
Thread closed...
[Android Software Development] DjDom:
Looks good.
[Android Software Development] FriedBacon:
mAYBE AN init.FILE

wouldnt that be an init file be renaming them?

---------- Post added at 03:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:31 PM ----------

fastboot boot boot.img

copies file onto device but then fastboot hangs.
[Android Software Development] fringle:
How long did you let I load for? I found it took about 45-60 seconds for it to start booting after running fastboot boot boot.IMG.
[Android Software Development] FriedBacon:
HAHAHA

I flashed it onto my device so i wait a few minute and see if it loads. otherwise im stuck in "softbrick" or w/e lol
[Android Software Development] heX79:
I can also confirm this, any attempts to boot the 4.1.1 kernel on 4.1.2, have not been successful. I tried the stock one and the insecure one. Maybe the bootloader is checking the kernel? Just a wild guess at this point. I'm sure we'll figure more out, once Skellums is ready with another recovery to test.

Still hoping some devs pop in to help guide us a bit. I know there are devs here that can probably crack this wide open, trouble is they most likely don't own the device.
[Android Software Development] instigator008:
Just messaged Paul O'Brien of Modaco fame. Hopefully he can give us some tips if he's not too busy.
[Android Software Development] Skellums:
I've been busy over the last few days so I haven't had a lot of time to look at this further.. I'm wondering if the system backup from the CWM backup that fringle posted could be flashed with fastboot? The system portion isn't an img file, but I'm looking to see how it can be converted. Of course I wouldn't suggest doing this as it would overwrite everything in your /system (that's if it even worked!)
[Android Software Development] instigator008:
Isn't this the update.zip I asked for earlier? I just can't figure out how to make one from a cwm backup.
[Android Software Development] fringle:
Just posted a possible 4.1.2 boot.img file http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36510887&postcount=414 if someone wants to give it a try. It did boot on 4.1.1 so I'm not sure if it will work but always worth a shot.

Edit:

We have at least one report of this working, just waiting to see if they still get mount errors in cwm.

Looks like it's booting but not allowing changes, insecure one posted here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36515118&postcount=425

Hopefully it will be working

So none of them returned root prompt but at least we now have a working boot.img file for 4.1.2.
[Android Software Development] Skellums:
So I built CWM from source using the 4.1.2 boot.img posted by fringle... No idea if it works or not or makes any difference.

Usual disclaimers, I'm not responsible for any damage caused by using this. I hold no responsibility for loss of data or the inability to boot your device.

Edit: Helps if I attach the file...
[Android Software Development] fringle:
We've got Root

Looks like we finially beat it.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36562865&postcount=469
[Android Software Development] DjDom:
Yup. And there's a 4.1.2 root guide made by me.

Of course, you're all in the thanks section.

Great job guys. Great work.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.4.0:
The money you make selling apps on Google play
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Archangel:
this thread has been moved to Q&A from development.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jamolah:
As the title specifies, Why doesn't the stock music player have screen lock controls?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trioxyn:
try asking the programmer of samsung:)
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VirginPC:
Why not try other music player on PLAY Store.....
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] desirer:
Thats why I don't use the stock one.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Souai:
i have poweramp and google play music. those are the only ones that ive used where the lock screen widget doesnt block my alarm.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyfingers:
its because of the TW
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jamolah:
Other players have the lock screen controls
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] endo689:
Was just curious to know, is anyone out there rocking their Note 2 in its birthday suit? If so, any scratches yet? I myself have had a screen protector on since day 1 of owning mine whereas my friends that also have it are all naked. Just curious to know if anyone has any serious scratches of their own.

Powered by my Note 2!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
Naked.

I keep mine from things that have a high mohs rating and I stay scratch free.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] lostnuke:
Naked white with no problems. I think it's the best way to experience the phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] xxxxmarkxxx:
Naked... no need when your careful
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] endo689:
Another area of concern was the use of the S Pen on the screen. If that would over the course of its life span leave any surface scratches as well.

Powered by my Note 2!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] pd240:
I have had a screen protector from day one but I went weeks without a case. Just put the Samsung protective cover on and it is surprisingly thin and light.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Dmwitz:
I had mine naked for a few months and did see a few tiny scratches appear so covered up. First with a Copter screen protector which sucked!! It made the screen look like ****e. Small text was impossible to read and the S-Pen marked it. I later opted for a very cheap harder plastic no-name protector which is excellent. I have plans to buy a 10 pack and change every other month or so.

The way I see it you preserve the second-hand value if the screen is scratch free. If in two years time you want to sell it for a good price you just need to invest in a new flip-cover remove the screen protector and it's almost like new.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] xweaponx:
100% all natural.No screen protector. No case. I like the feel and look without bulky protection. I allow the Gorilla Glass 2 to do its thing.

Afterall, its a phone; its going to get used, scratched and dinged. I want to enjoy the complete phone experience in the meanwhile.

Have you seen those cars that had the bra on the front? People removed them only to find out that their paint was now two-toned, and dirt and debris had etched the paint along the edge of the bra, not to mention having a red sports car with a black mask on.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] th0r615:
I was naked on every smart phone I've had up until the Note 2. I've always gotten scratches on every other phone no matter how careful I was.

I also have a small hard case on it. I would love to run naked on that too but the smooth back is just begging to slip out of my hand. Plus the case makes it feel more solid and reduces the creeks and growns coming from the crappy plastic Samsung insists on using.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
I would be concerned if a plastic pen scratched glass.

In other words, it won't.

The glass with the oleophobic coating is at least 9 mohs.

Without the coating, its still 6.5-ish.

Plastic is around 3 or 4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] kevinbauman:
No screen protector here, I adsolutely hate screen protectors. I think they ruin the clarity of the screen. But I do have one of those folio style cases so the screen still gets covered when its not in use.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] jsadler09:
I've been using the Seidio active case and like it, no screen protector. Just ordered a flygrip and will probably rock it naked with that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] JBeXX:
Like others have said I won't use a screen protector as I trust the screen plus hate the feel and affect on clarity.

I'm using a cheap tpu case partly for peace of mind of a little protection and partly because it has a built in kickstand that isn't very intrusive and has been pretty handy to have.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] geoff5093:
I have mine naked, but the first few days of owning it the phone fell upside down on the wooden floor so now I have 2-3 large scratches on the screen from grains of sand :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] joshw0000:
Same set up I run on every phone I've owned:

Verizon slim hard kickstand case, no belt clip

Cheap eBay matte screen protector

I keep my phone in my pocket so I need a slim case. Every since the T-Bolt, a kickstand is a must for me. I absolutely hate clear screen protectors since it always feels like I'm dragging my finger across the screen rather than sliding it. I ended up buying the $12 pack at Big Red since my phone arrived before my China protectors. The cheap matte ones look great, don't smudge, and make the screen silky smooth.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Bill Idol:
Screen protector I got from Verizon and an all white Androidified case from Cruzerlite. My hands are a little dry so carrying the phone naked (the phone) is slippery in my hands. The case gives me a nice grip to hold on to the phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Bill Idol:
Oops, sorry for the sideways photo.:o
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DeathBySnuggles:
My typical progression is: get a new phone. Think "I need to protect this thing" and get a case. Rock case for a week or 2 and then hate the extra bulk. Take off case and love the natural feel of the phone.

I followed suit with this phone. Had the flip case ordered before the phone was out. Got the phone and immediately popped the case on. Rocked it for 2 weeks and took it off.

However, I have actually put the case back on because I found usefulness besides the protection. With the phone's size, the case flap provides more area to maneuver it. It also prevents accidental home button presses when the phone is in my pocket.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] janonymous:
I've been using mine Naked for about 2Weeks. No scratches yet. I also hate Screen Protectors. A TPU case would do
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Buddy Revell:
For the past few years, I've rarely used cases on any of my phones. I almost always have accident protection of some sort, though, so I don't really worry about it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] dnalevelc:
I got the flip cover case the moment I got the phone. I then got a 3 pack of screen protectors that are perfect. Clear as glass, and smooth. I want to rock it naked, but the wife will kill me if I don't protect it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] speedfreak228:
I agree!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] mutelight:
I never put cases on any of my phones.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] mtrain:
I always run a screen protector but haven't had a case on any phone for the past 4 years. I got the silver about a month ago and I haven't seen anything yet.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] igknight:
Ran naked on my Droid Razr Maxx without any issues, no scratches.

Had the N2 for less than two weeks and have a small scratch that you can only see with the screen off (currently). Not sure how it got there, but I have a screen protector on the way.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] AZSALUKI:
I've never used a case on any other phone until now. I didn't want to, but it's just too big and slick. I use it one handed often and just can't get to the entire screen with my thumb unless I have a rubbery case on it. If I try without one, it's only a matter of time before I drop it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] secularist:
had mine for a month. still totally naked, but I am shopping for some kind of low profile case to give me a bit better grip. I've never run screen protectors on any of my devices.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] endo689:
Typically I've gone naked without a screen protector on my devices but felt this was a good time to start lol. Been using the Tech Armor HD Clear screen protectors and have got to say im impressed. No orange peel effect or screen distortion at all. Added benefit is that it doesn't feel like the screen has it on there.

Sent from my Note 2!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] kidnice15:
Still going naked, I did order a case that still hasn't gotten here but I am not worried about it, I am not even sure if I am going to use it or not.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] ohiwastedmylife:
Naked but switching to case and screen protector. The screen easily scratches from my experience.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] adrynalyne:
All screens scratch easily if you aren't careful with what they come in contact with.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] jmorton10:
Exactly.

I haven't used a ss on my last three phones and they are all in mint shape.

I wish I had back all the $ I spent over the years on high end screen savers.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] tgyberg:
My phone is naked as usual but I did order a pair of sticky gloves like the NFL receivers wear! :silly:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LightCCB:
Born naked, live naked

I ordered a leather case but so far no scratches except from my keys on the plastic that came with the phone that I havent removed that yet. I did drop the phone from 3 feet onto hardwood floor no visible scratches or dents. :good: