yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
You kidding, right?

Or Czech, but definitely not corona and lime. What's next!? MGD 64 lemonade!?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
I run a bar, not my personal beer and whiskey preference club.. ;)

(Look up Irish car bomb. If people order and drink that, a beer with a slice of lime is actually civilized..)

P. S. Actually disliking beer myself, I find corona a great pick when there's only beers to be had!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Irish car bombs are very tasty! And get you fuk'ed alright. Just take the next they off.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Puh-lease, if anyone comes to me trying to top their phone cameras with me(especially S&i fans), I'll show them the meaning of quality, I posted a few of those pictures in these thread, and in my Facebook nobody believed my phone did that. The quality outcome is as solid as a mid-range compact. :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lichti1901:
Nope, i personally dont drink beer, but sometimes a corona. I dont drink alcohol that much, it knoks me out everytime :banghead:

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5 mit Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Ma kinda fella! ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I'm not talking about the physical camera in my post. Or the quality of the photos. It was about the camera app.

That thing is pure garbage.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
after being to where they bottle corona in mexico, im never ever drinking corona again. i know that they bottle it all over, not in one location. but it was that disgusting there(in the mid '90s).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
I guess you're sworn into secrecy about it because that sounds interesting
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Oh please do tell..! :eek:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
I can imagine your face.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
that place was just dirty, like it was months since the last time it was cleaned. granted, that was 19 years ago, hopefully things were changed since then.

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not sworn to secrecy. i wouldnt be surprised if the "joke" of people saying that theres urine in it is accurate. lol. i hope it isnt!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
Probably not. These are the same people that poop in pee in the fields that they work in
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
We were spared the gross details I believe.. :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Can't say much about the N5 camera but like [MENTION=5029685]jonup[/MENTION] said, it's an improvement compared to N4. I just wish Nexus phones would have better sound quality.

Last night I went out with my friends to a karaoke. There were three of us who plugged in our phone alternately using AUX and my N5 was the worst performer because the volume was the lowest. My friend's iPhone 5S yielded good volume and bass.

Granted there are mods like Viper to improve the sound but I wish it's good out of the box without to do any mods that require root.

Disclaimer: I don't know much about sound quality. This is just my personal experience.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jmtjr278:
If I'm drinking Mexican beer I like Dos Equis regular or the amber version. Very refreshing on a summer day. Corona is good too for a day on lake St Clair.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
There lies the problem, you "don't drink beer".
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] anirudh611:
I never said that the camera is horrible, when comparing to other high end mobile for which you pay $600-700 there you can't compare them with Nexus 5. Of course it is the best Camera a nexus device has till date.:D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Didn't you buy a nexus so you can mod the crap out of it!? :p

Disclaimer: I have no clue about modding the sound and camera. I'm just glad I could if I cared.;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
All the mentions of phones and nexii I read as beer :D thanks [MENTION=5029685]jonup[/MENTION]

I thought you were comparing super expensive beer :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
True. Especially since we have the freedom to unlock or relock our bootloader. But I also believe in what albundy said, out of the box experience should be good. Not saying the N5's sound quality is bad but it could be better.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] anirudh611:
[QUOTE='TheNerd:]

I thought you were comparing super expensive beer :D

Lol :D but people always do that because the internals of a N5 is equal to G2 or Note 3, people take it for guarantee and compare everything.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
I thought 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 fixed a ton of the hammerhead issues concerning sound quality /camera shutter speed etc
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Well, when I got it, after I unlocked the bootloader, it prompted the 4.4.2 system update so I installed it immediately. Therefore I don't have any base for comparison regarding camera shutter speed. But as I said earlier, with my experience last night, I believe the sound quality could (should?) be better.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I get what you're saying but there is a problem with it.

Those 600-700 dollar phones are just phones that have much higher profit margins. Depending on build materials the cost to manufacture the devices is very very close. But something like HTC one cost more to make than a gs4, but the gs4 cost more.

Google will cut a corner here and there to get the profit margins they want but it's not drastic. Example is a more expensive newer stacked battery design.

We are dealing with a market space where many players have a higher profit margin on their hw than Apple!

Look at it from this point of view. The ipad air cost 500 for the Wifi and 630 for the cellular version. So you get a much bigger battery, screen, aluminum ( or whatever materials used building the device housing) The 16gb iPhone 5s still cost 30 bucks more though

So while I agree oh you're paying so much less for it than the other devices, the cost difference isn't the driving factor for it not having as good of a camera.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] anirudh611:
Yes, i totally agree with you, what i am saying that is Google made some sacrifices to provide the cost with the margin they need for the device where camera is also one of the factors that happens to be cut down.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I look at it different. I don't think the camera not being top notch is a price thing. I believe its a Google cant actually produce a high end camera phone.

Its more than just calling up your partners and picking a sensor and tossing it in a device. All the ISP and tuning, processing that goes into it is extremely hard. And google doing that on their own is never going to be great until I see it proven otherwise. There is a reason that even on the high end premium devices we have had our imaging leaders over the years. For example I believe most of the OEM's would love to have the camera quality of a nokia or iphone, but they are not technically capable of producing it. Even sony who knows how to make camera sensors cant nail it down on mobile. The folks that invest and take cell phone optic engineering seriously end up with the best cameras. Those who don't.....

We will see how things change one their new camera api is done that will allow better access to the underlying hw. It should be better across the board in the long run.

But I really feel that even if the nexus 5 would have launched at 1000 bucks the camera would still not up there with the best in the market. I dont believe google is capable of making one.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] anirudh611:
So you are meaning to say that even though Google puts the best of hardware into the their phone's still they won't be as best as the other OEM as Nokia or iPhone? Since it is android we would probably get a mod for the device's camera if they put in a proper hardware in order to equal with others as Nokia or iPhone.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yes and no.

They don't put the best. Cameras are a bit different then most other things in a phone. So much of it is custom. The big guys will tell whoever is making the camera module for them to exactly what they want. We want this design, build it for us. On the lower end oems probably just take off the shelf almost plug and play solutions.

Which is why you don't see same camera sensors in different oems phones on the high end.

Android doesn't really mean much for modding the camera like that So much of it is done on a lower level. Either on the SoC itself or a separate ISP chip.

So if a phone is shipped with a camera that is not performing as it should, the fix if possible is going to have to come from the OEM..

If it was as easy as people make it seem every device would take good pictures. We just buy this part and we're good. Doesn't work that way. Doesn't work they way either when you go up into the thousands of dollars DSLR space either. Which is why that's where you find the big boys of cameras and not some no name Walmart brand.

Hopefully the new api will allow better access to the camera hw and we can get a full manual mode out of it

But the idea of If only a OEM would spend a couple extra bucks on some camera hw it would be class leading is just not the case.

Having a good sensor is great but not having good ISP behind it will get you no where. Our eyes for example actually a lot worse than most people know. Our brain is the ISP and it does magic. Like taking a upside down image and flipping it right side up.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
[MENTION=673072]albundy[/MENTION] anything to say about the HTC one? Superb phone... Almost perfect
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Where have you been. We haven't seen you around for a while
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
That phone is a good phone. It has its flaws though.

First is the capacitive buttons. I don't mind capacitive but that two button layout and HTC logo is dumb IMHO. They launched it with the option to map one to the menu key not there either which is facepalm.

The camera. I like the direction they went, breaking the trend of using smaller and smaller pixels. But I think they went up to high with the 2 micron pixels. It's not that pixels that big are bad, but the tradeoff in a phone is that you're limited by space. So they ended up with a 4mp sensor.

But the phone was my favorite device of the year. Love the design and hw of the phone and the direction that HTC went with it. And for all my buddies who still do the two year contract thing, if they asked that's the phone I always recommend to them.

Really looking forward to the next HTC phone. I expect just a evolution of the One. Maybe a bit bigger screen with smaller bezels. Camera who knows. A s800 and radio improvements. More bands, cat 4 lte and envolepe tracking etc. The Nailed it down with the last Gen so just build on it
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yesterday Romain Guy on twitter was talking about profiling a app.

Which made me just want to check the overdraw on these two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWgdsn1e40&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gVEKeWgo7c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Not pretty
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
The typical wife, kid, and bills has always kept me busy. Lately its been long hours at work, and my shiny Moga controller when I get home. Now that Android is a real gaming platform with a real controller, I've been playing like crazy.

I've had my build server set up since before Christmas (old c2d laptop, 4gb ram, quiet as hell, always on and sitting in a drawer), and I still haven't had time or a chance to do a little kernel building. I've read some reports of 450 gpu oc actually working in 4.4, so that will be the first thing I shoot for. The way current kernel development for the N4 has been going, I think I'm going to go back to using Trinity as a base.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] clockworkstop:
Good to have you back. :)

what old c2d laptop do you have?

Sent speedily from my scurrying Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Its an old Dell e1505 with a few upgrades. 2.00ghz c2d, 2x2gb ddr2 667 ram, 500gb HDD, ATI X1400. Ubuntu Server x64 13.10.

It just sits in a drawer under the router, and I can just ssh/sftp into it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lichti1901:
rastakat update :D

Whats new?

I'm very happy with this build and hope you enjoy it as much as i do :D

Get the latest build here
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Linux 3.13 went stable today. Me thinks I'll compile that today
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Two toned sky. It looks peaceful but I'm having a terrible traffic issue on the lane I'm at.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] akash3656:
Where is this place? It looks strangely familiar to me. Is that by chance the tracks for LRT?

PS: Nice pic! :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] michelemascia7:
Link for the latest version? Thanks :D

Inviato dal mio Nexus 4 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur, and yes, its the tracks of LRT. :laugh:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Has anybody in here manged to use Windows 8 without either reverting back or smashing their computer?

I don't think I know anybody that runs it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rickbosch:
I started a new job and it's what is on my work machine. I can safely say it's the biggest and most un-user friendly OS I've ever encountered. Take the fact that I don't have a MS account into account as well and it's just well, it's pants. Absolute pants.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Ouch. I feel bad whoever does IT there. I didn't expect many work environments to be running it. The horror.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
In fact, I run it, but just because I bought a Asus notebook with. It has a touchscreen that makes W8 use a little less strugling.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
I use it by choice (purchased), and have been using it since the developer preview. I need to stay current for my job, but after using it for years now, I think I'm the only person who actually likes it.

The split configurations is still poorly designed (some settings are in metro, others in control panel). And the fact that you have to improperly shut down the machine to access the advanced start up if you're locked out of the machine is not good at all.

8.1 fixed some issues with the metro interface to where I actually use it for app launching now. Mainly labeling for tile groups.

The mouse interface is still a little clunky, its best to use keyboard shortcuts or use a touch interface. When people were going from DOS to 9x, most users still used keyboard shortcuts. Nowadays I believe most users use a mouse as their main interface navigation device. Having to move your mouse from one corner to the other is a bit of a pain. Especially with the resolutions most people have now.

Microsoft has always had a boner for a unified interface. They tried to shrink Windows down for Windows Mobile, and now they're trying to blow up Windows Phone for the desktop. People use different interfaces just fine daily. They use Android/iOS on their phones and Windows/OSX on the desktop. They don't have any problems using different interfaces over different devices.

Despite what I see as problems, I think they've done a decent job trying to push a common interface to the desktop. PC sales have been on the decline while mobile devices (phones/tablets) have been on the rise. Microsoft makes money on two products Windows and Office. They do on Xbox as well, but not enough to pay for the rest of the company. They had to adapt some how. We've been using a Windowed interface for 20 years or so. The desktop needed a refresh. I'm honestly surprised they even tried something this drastic. When you have billions of users it actually inhibits your ability to really innovate.

If the Windows Store had the app development that Android and iOS have, I think most people would not have a big problem with Win8. They would see it as having 2 devices in 1, instead of this weird thing getting in the way of their Windows. Maybe over the next few years this might happen. The windows user base is a hard one to ignore. The surface pro/convertible laptop type devices are still IMO desirable. Once the cost comes down, and we can get i3+ type performance on x86 architecture for the price of an iPad, I think the market might start going back in MS's favor.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Yeah i understand their reasoning and why they tried it. But to me it's just a stupid idea.

I get he entire two in one thing and it makes sense there. It makes sense everywhere if it's something you could turn on like how media center was.

But to push that on everybody is just stupid IMHO. The desktop / laptop OS space isn't a place where you just change things up because it needs a refresh.

Millions and millions of people use them work or to get real computing done of some sort. Hardly anybody left the platform because of the previous UI. But many will leave it, not upgrade to it, not purchase a new Pc with it because of it.

Especially in this day and age where so much of what casual computing has been shifted to the mobile space. The last thing IMHO you want to do is annoy the target market with your OS. And they managed to do that.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
See I think MS got it all wrong. PC sales plummeted not because of the OS. It wasn't the PC vs Mac thing (though the bit the bait and made Win 8). It was the fact that hardware lasts (doesn't become obsolete) longer and there was this new alternative for media consumption that was cool and you can take with you when you go into the other room. The way you interact with PC and portable tablet/smartphone is completely different. You generally want to be more than an arm's length away from any screen that is 10-13" or greater (depending on your eyesight) and it is extremely uncomfortable using mouse and keyboard while holding a cell phone or Surfacet. Hence using a OS that suits both scenarios will be inferior to OS that is build purposely for one or the other.

Before you jump on me let me explain that I am not against the OS having the capabilities to provide touchscreen interaction on a large screen device and a mobile OS that has full keyboard+mouse comparability. But when you build an OS around it is primary use, you have to make less compromises. What MS did was compromised on both fronts to deliver uniformity (at least visual).

Surface is a great device but it is hard to use in bed or laying on the couch because you need to hold it with two hand. And in those cases where you put it on your lap and type, you would rather have a full size laptop. Do you see where I am going?

I disguise Win 8 so bad, I would not even consider WP device. Now that Nokia is back to making cutting edge devices this is a shame.

Rant end!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
[MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] I just checked my N4 and this kernel hasn't been updated since Nov 19. What's up with that!? You slipping!? Just give us something even if it is just placebo!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
[MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] [MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] unleash the hounds! :P no ETAs...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I agree for the most part.

The same thing is happening now with smartphones. And will get even better with the next generation arm 5x based chips. The devices will be good enough that people don't need to updrade as often and the market slows down. Except for in emerging markets. That's where the cheaper budget phones sell like hot cakes.

I get what MS was trying to do. But I strongly think just like you that it was / is a stupid idea.

Yes PC sales aren't on the decline because of the OS. Maybe a very small percent that bought a Mac in place contributed, but yeah its not the driving force by any means.

But the OS itself is the main reason for its slow adoption. Yes less machines are being sold in the first place so of course there is less people coming home with it out of the box. But mainly not many and I would say less than in recent memory ( probably back to Me edition) less and less people are upgrading their current systems. Consumer, businesses ( even though they of course are prone to much slower update process) builders and so on.

So less people are buying machines for all those reasons and the majority of people that already have machines don't want any part at all of the latest OS.

What's so sad is it could so easily have been avoided altogether. Make the standard desktop experience easily accessible for the average consumer with the option to use it exclusively.

What they are doing is laying the ground work now for the future. We are not that far off from having x86 chips running in the same power bracket as it's arm competition. So the tablet / ultra mobile laptops space merge to together. You want a OS than be at home on those devices. But they just put it everywhere. And in doing so just put a huge blanket a negatively over the OS in general. Even though it does many things well and excells on certain types of devices, work flows. It's equally out of place in many people's eyes on traditional form factors Instead they get us, who try it out on a desktop and laptop and are left going arrrrggg! Make it stop! This is designed for touch blah blah.

Hopefully they get it the software act together by the time the hw is ready. With 5 Watt Intel chips you could easily have a all in one device. Tablet, laptop via a keyboard attachment or whatnot. And a standard desktop PC too when you plug in a monitor and the peripherals.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
I just started teaching a friend how to use Windows 8.1 and it's confusing me to teach him. He doesn't want to deal with the metro ever, just the desktop. I don't blame him. Just checked the other day and had 39 updates for apps my kid keeps putting on there. I think I've used 2 apps since I put 8 on the machine
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I think I am going to grab the free trail enterprise version and toss it on a VM tonight actually.

This time hopefully I don't get so annoyed with it that I remove it the VM and files like plauge again.