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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] akash3656:
I know this probably eliminates a lot of the point of using Windows 8/8.1, but make sure you install a trial of startisback+. It should make everything less painful haha.

What pisses me off in 8.1 (8.0 wasn't like this btw) is that certain parts of the control panel are now hidden in menus of the metro UI and are not clearly visible either. I believe an example is the pairing Bluetooth device option.

So basically whatever M$ has done on Vista/7 control panel is all but broken in 8.1 thanks to M$ shoving metro to our faces if you need tweak something in the OS. It's pretty funny if you compare what M$ is doing to the Mac. Almost every setting that isn't app specific is in System Preferences with an extremely uniform UI (unlike Windows) and not hidden somewhere else.

When starting college (July 2013) I bought a MacBook Air to run Windows as all the other OEMs haven't refreshed their lineup for a haswell ultrabook. Today, I see most PC ultrabooks competing with the MacBook Air are more expensive than the Air (for the Malaysia market) with better screens and lesser battery life.

After a while of running windows on the Air I decided to run Mac OS and found it was not bad. Even my desktop now runs Hackintosh. And the good part is I can still thinker around with compiling android from source with Mac so I don't need a Linux VM anymore. My windows installation is now only for one purpose to run games that run only on Windows.

Edit: and yes I agree with you with giving the user a choice what UI to use. And actually practically everything you said haha.

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Ahhh no wonder it was familiar! Nice to see another Malaysian here :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Oh man. Even prior to getting to the home screen this thing is annoying the hell out of me. The initial getting critical updates screen... Gee thanks Microsoft for changing the color every couple of seconds for no good reason. What in the world are they thinking with this. Oh you're install a new OS, let's annoy the hell out of you while you wait by changing the color on your screen over and over again.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Keep posting updates / opinions Al!

(oh man, this will be fun to follow.. :p)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I hate almost everything about it out of the box. Without something like startisback Id smash my machine if I had to use it. With it I'd have no problems using it what so ever.

Things I really like. The task manager.

Things I like a bit. New explorer. I like that it has stuff like open command prompt here right up in the ribbon, the move files to options etc,

The rest if you get the new UI out of the way, its basically windows with a change here and there.

Its that simple for me really. This new metro / modern ui is unbearable on a desktop for me. Make it go away with startisback and I am good.

Also its running a lot better than I thought it would in the VM. Its running on a single old core2 core at 2.8ghz on my slow storage drive. I am convinced a native install would run very well.

No modern ui =good if you're a windows user. Modern UI = kill it with fire.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Idk much about Windows 8 (or 8.1) but what I do know is that Macbook Air doesn't serve its purpose as well as it should be in Malaysia, its more of a fashion accessory more than an actual device.

But what I do agree to is the control panel part, everything you can tinker around is there. The only reason I have not moved on to 8.1 is because there is technically not much obvious improvements since I am not using a touch screen LCD.

Malaysian using Nexus is a rare sight, especially Nexus 4. My friend took over my device, you'll be seeing him a lot in this thread, I moved on to the Nexus 5 :D

Cheers! And K.L. Traffic Tak Boleh! :P
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
[MENTION=2986645]albundy2010[/MENTION]

I think its pretty obvious why they forced metro onto us. Just like you said, the mobile space is the future. They were hoping Windows 8 would be a Trojan horse for Windows Phone. Ballmer even said in an interview over the past year that one of their biggest mistake was pushing back the development of WP for so long. They hung onto WM for too long and released WP too late.

Also the initial start up for Windows 8, the color that bothers me the most is that bright green.

One thing they could have improved on is the start up instructions. Move your mouse to one corner. That's it.

At least when Apple changed scrolling direction they made you do it. MS should have done the same. They should have forced you to move your mouse to each Corner and give you an explanation about what each corner does and how to access menus and charms.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Reading minds now? :p

I've been thinking the same for a while, specially when dafuc bluetooth audio cuts out.

Flashed sema kernel and never had a cut... Cant say why.

:thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I really want to fix the Skype cutouts when using the loudspeaker. Apparently the phone reboots when skyping too, but I didn't have time to play with it last night.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
new kernel coming through http://goo.gl/jG8OHN

but i keep catching it in a kernel panic :mad:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
I'm not sure I want to open the link. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Snothy:
I wish I had your great intuition
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
is not a rick roll!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
What was on the other side?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Snothy:
Something that cannot be unseen
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Somebody wishes it was a rick roll :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
its a "kernel panic"..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Love to see this thread alive! :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Yeah, where have you been all day? Practicing for the Carnival? ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
With that whole bunch of vagabonds that gathered around, what do you expect.. :p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
I prefer to call them [MENTION=3644884]Vangelis13[/MENTION] vangelisbonds :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] n2d551:
Man! It's stupid cold out there! Freakin 9 degrees. Yesterday morning it was 54 degrees. Wtf! What's funny is how we get a little snow and the news channels just harp on it like it's the end of the world.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Because news isn't the news anymore.

Many years ago the news turned into a for profit business for all the media companies

So instead of actually doing the news now. It's a ratings competition. Real news doesn't bring in ratings... So we get crap
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] clockworkstop:
Most people don't care you know. Just watch TV and die is there motto

Sent speedily from my scurrying Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Ahahahah....no, I dont like carnival.

I do like all the days that I can stay home :D

The damn work is freaking me out, with all that stuff to map and procedures to document....:(
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] akash3656:
Well most apple products I would say are a fashion accessory but there isn't a thin light 13" laptop that isn't 768p and lasts 10-11 hours easily per charge which sells for about ~3k (student pricing). Other options for me were Windows laptops that cost 3.6k+.

I moved to 8/8.1 because I just love to thinker with new things. And with startisback it is a tolerable OS. M$ made improvements on resources. It feels smoother in day to day usage, but some disagree. Anyway, its not like windows 7 is a bad OS especially if you don't want to bother an OS upgrade.

I'm guessing you got an AP Nexus 5? Or did you buy it from Australia/Japan Play Store? As for me I'm waiting for the official launch which seems totally non existent :(

Tolerating with my old Galaxy Nexus.

KL traffic memang tak boleh haha!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Since I'm using it for rooting AP or not it doesnt really matter. :P

Well, I beg to differ on pricing though, (battery can't compare, Apple wins), a laptop capable for a students need is around 2k and at max 3k, those that asks for more are either too girly to carry more weight , or just wants to show off. And especially in Malaysia, who on their right mind would buy a 3k+ laptop? A blink of an eye outside either a motorcyclist drags it away, or in the LRT a crime syndicate replaced you laptop with rocks.

Even now my 4 year old Dell laptop that costs less than 2k at that time, is more than enough to handle my every need in work and mobile computing.

N5 battery is not as good as I anticipated, but the performance is beyond my imaginations.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] akash3656:
You got a solid point there though. the crime rates in our country is quite bad.

My Galaxy Nexus was a continuos round of bad luck. Sent it to Samsung 4 times and had to raise my temper at them just to fix my phone the 4th time sheeesh. They returned my dead phone (fixed) and dead battery (still dead and they insist its fixed :confused: ). I wonder do they even test the stuff they repair lol. And once I managed to get a battery from them (which died in a 3-4 months) I started it up and saw a nice padlock logo shinning. Guess Samsung themselves probably unlocked the bootloader after they fixed it (which was a motherboard swap) :p

And that trusty Galaxy Nexus is now having some weird issues where it reboots randomly, a linux check disk in recovery (e2fsck) solves it until it pops up again.

I have terrible luck with my Galaxy nexus, I dare not get a AP phone next round lol. But it seems only I faced all this. 2 other friends with Galaxy Nexus didn't have a single issue other than screen that had AMOLED burn ins and wear and tear after a year.

By the way, any Nexus 4 owners (or ex owners) had an issue with Power button? My mother's Nexus 4 is a bit problematic lately.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
For people that purchase a laptop to go on Facebook at Starbucks macbook of any type is a fashion accessory

For other uses its not. Leave the OS out for now. Even though that is a selling point for many. A screen that doesn't suck. Battery life that is largely unmatched by the windows OEMs. Always has the bleeding edge wireless standards ( unlike the iPhone)

Another apple product that is actually really good and I think the most underrated is the I Mac. You take the base config and upgrade the storage and it's a decent machine with a killer display. Professionally calibrated display quality there out of the box in a all in one machine. For a actually reasonable price for what you get.

I wouldn't buy any of them because it's not my cup of tea. And I don't need any of them

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But they are good machines for many many people. Even for people who swear they aren't, they just get pass their dislike for Apple.

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But they are good machines for many many people. Even for people who swear they aren't, they just get pass their dislike for Apple.

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Ah the Galaxy Nexus. Hopefully the last nexus device to every have a amoled screen

Remember all the crap from that crowd when they came to this device / LCD in general? These days we don't hear much from them.

We do hear crap about the new nexus being washed out though, make it look like another LCD display that was designed to mimic a amoled.... If anybody released a essentially perfectly calibrated professional cell phone display, that same crowd will still say it's washed out.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Well its probably luck, my Nexus 4 is now sold to another xda-ian, although I wonder when he'll finish running all the available ROMS then show up talking.

I didn't get much problems though, and the battery is wee bit better than my N5(might need a few more cycles to conclude since its Day 3).

Personally I'm against Samsung, they have terrible quality control especially on their first batch.

Screen and hardware, yes, if you do have a purpose having one, I'd say its best of its kind in many ways.

BUT, sadly in my country technological devices serve more as a FASHION or SYMBOLIC accessory more than being used as a device that ease lives. You can see a 60 year old lady holding the iPhone 5S just because she thinks its a must to show others that she is a HIGH-CLASSED person, and 50/50 that she looks down on others not holding any Apple products.

So I've heard these things are more serious in the Singapore, where basically when you walk in, it looks like either every Singaporean gets a free iPhone or you need an iPhone to be a Singaporean. Its an old joke in my place from last year, no idea how is the current condition there.

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AMOLED is probably one of the worst things for photo shooting lovers. When I was still stuck at developing photos, a guy holding a Note 2 proud was asking me to develop the first trip he made without an actual camera, he boasted about the colours and vividness of the Note 2's quality. I did warn him about the difference of ON-SCREEN versus reality. He proudly said, it doesn't matter, I have faith in the camera and the device. He was never so wrong, and I never tried so hard trying to make the whole batch of pictures look better. He bought a camera after that. :silly:

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] akash3656:
Samsung I hate them after what I faced with my Galaxy Nexus. I even tell all my family and friends to buy anything but a Samsung device. Most of those with S3s/Note 2s now end up sending their device back to Samsung due to some NAND derp. Haven't heard much on the S4 other than one iPhone convert saying its laggy and boy it indeed is on stock.

And you did well to show him the truth of the AMOLED panel :good: I can picture the situation very vividly with the typical Malaysian accent we have here. :p

The fashion part is no less true as you said. Even my own mother wanted an iPhone till I told her the price (unlocked). After that, she changed her mind and got the Nexus 4. Jumping from a feature phone btw.

I get lots of negativity from everyone saying "You actually bought a MacBook? YOU HYPOCRITE". I have my reasons why I bought the MacBook Air, but many people I meet would disagree with me and give a wtf look when they see me doing serious work on Windows 8/8.1 which I run occasionally (mostly everything even work is on OS X). I guess I'm not enough of your typical Apple hipster for my society.

Also some ask why do you use an Android phone and a Mac? >< Sometimes, people think you gotta be a full time Apple or anti-Apple person.

/wow long rant whooops
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Both my power and volume button have been a little bit weird lately. Every now and then I'd have to press it again to wake my phone. But I think this is common issue with the N4?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
On the first part, that's the best thing about iOS, they verify their apps before placing them on rack, therefore less lags and bugs issue. I never hated those that had a Macbook for a purpose, I actually respect them, if a work is serious enough to be needed a Macbook, that sh** aint easy. Though, as a young adult, in his 20's, all around me are still whiny KIDS spoonfed by their parents. (and they say everyone is poor, they get iPhones , Macs and a Car, I'll be happy to have enough hard-earned cash to feed myself)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Macbook posers pose outside at coffee shops etc. PC posers pose on gut threads and speccy threads.

Android posers pose everywhere that is related to android on the net with their stupid home screens.

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Forgot Linux posers. Pose on YouTube with their compiz / window manager craziness. Remember the water effects, fire etc.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
I don't have a Mac, my PC desktop hasn't had new hardware in over 2 years. (Since before my daughter was born). Even then it was all the best of last gen when I bought it "new". (You get better deals buying the best tech of 1 or 2 gens ago).

I never post in screen shot threads because my android screen has looked the same since Donut. (2 row clock + blank row + 4 icons + dock. Rest of the pages are icons.) My linux server is CLI, like it damn well should be.

But hey, I know you weren't calling me one.

Nostalgic article for me:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/modems-warez-and-ansi-art-remembering-bbs-life-at-2400bps/

Maybe I'm from a different era, or just getting old, but this article made me miss my childhood years. Spending hours programing simple text games and static ASCII images in BASIC (first one was a Koopa Trooper), saving to a tape backup. Playing awesome Sierra games. Then spending hours staying up as late as possible checking the few local BBS's after my parents went to bed to not "tie up the phone line". Also learning a lesson in long distance phone charges. (See note above about LOCAL BBS's).

Edit: Totally off topic, and I should probably ask in one of the Tasker threads, but does anyone know how to set GPU governors in Tasker? Or at least know a command to set GPU governor?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Snothy:
Trinity with ctfrommn's new velocity project. So much speed in one nexus.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] akash3656:
Huh what happened to PSX? Just a while ago they went to another forum, now there's another ROM?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Snothy:
PSX is still going on. Velocity is just ctfrommn's private project. Doesn't have many features but it's the fastest thing ever, especially with Trinity <3

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
A break from calling out things that suck.

A app that is great. Not talking about the content on this one but just how the app runs. USA today.

Give it shot if you want to see a well coded app in action.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
I've been checking out some of the interactive magazines in Newsstand. Aux is a decent example of what can be done, and subscription is free. Its a Music magazine, so its content is a good example of how to use the format, even though the content itself isn't the best.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
About that whole "MacBook hypocrisy", I have one.

And my PC is now a hackintosh.

Yes, OS X is a great os for many reasons, but I won't be productive until I have a trackpad on it.

You need to have used a good trackpad to know why I want it ;)

That I can't build is only remotely related to that, I set it up on a small ssd to test, with the plan to move to a large ssd if the hackintosh fully works, after a financial hurdle is out of the way, I'll finalize the install on the large ssd and will be back building as usual.

There is a lot that's easier for me on osx compared to Windows and not really possible Linux.

It's all about what works for who for whatever reason.

There are no absolutes.

Reminds me of school, where listening to heavy metal, you could only listen to that and not admit to crazy things like enjoying Lisa Gerrard, or else you would be a poser and/or fake.

Oh yeah, Google employees on macbooks at conferences....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Look at this fail of answer to the first question

From USA TODAY

Q&A: how can I speed up an old PC?

Speed up an old PC Q. My PC is beyond slow. Is there a trick to speeding it up or should I get a new one? A. If you're still running Windows XP, it's time to get a new computer. Otherwise, you can try speeding up the one you have. Use a program like Autoruns to weed out unneeded startup programs. This will help your system boot faster and run a bit smoother. See if your hard drive is full and what is filling it up with a program like WinDirStat. You can move large files to an external drive or delete them. If you're running with two or four gigs of RAM, considering adding more as well.

http://usat.ly/1fhsfjN

Add more ram to what it almost certainly a 32bit system. Move files around.... No mention of a SSD...

Complete fail.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
No mentions of possibly upgrade OS to 64-bit(win7), no mentions of leaving OS installed drive with at least 30% free space, no mentions of uninstallation of unused programs, no mentions of registry clearing(CCleaner), no mentions of Disk Wiping, no mentions of testing Hard Disk health(Something like HDD Sentinel).

Except the first, the others doesn't cost at all!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] smoka206:
Most of the time I encounter people with "slow" computers its not so much their hardware. Its the fact they have every piece of malware know to man running on their machine. And windows has some nasty ones. Users who click on anything are their own worst enemies.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Many years ago I stopped even fixing infected machines for people.

Would bring a external and toss their data on it. Wipe the OS off their machine and start fresh.

Wasn't worth the hassle of tracking down ever little screw up and fixing it. Oh I don't want to start to over. And I don't want to track down everything thing you did. Scan your entire system with a slow damn hdd in safe mode. Go to work on the damn registry etc for free.

Always the people that tell you, it just showed up by itself too! I didn't do nothing. My friend policy was I'll fix your crap one time only. You do it again and your sol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
I do this type of **** work for a living, and we do the same thing. We go for the various scans first, if we have to spend more than an hour doing actual work (not unattended work, ie: scanning). We tell them some BS about how its infected Windows and we have to wipe.

Some rootkits can be incredibly nasty.

Its the same thing with motherboard repairs, I *could* spend a while day with my multimeter and track down which surface mounted chip is lifted, or we could just buy a new board. The only ones that actually screw us is phone and console repairs. The items are cheap so we have to charge accordingly. The worst are phones. People don't understand the screen is the most expensive part of a phone. Even though we have one of those digitizer separators, we only have the brackets for iPhone 5/s, Galaxy 3 and 4, and the Note 2/3. Then I have to spend 15 minutes explaining to the customer how subsidies work and that their $150 phone really costs $400+.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Things started to get much more difficult to remove right around when those fake Windows 06 ( or whatever year to where currently in) became prevalent.

Sure there was always root kits and other infections that were a major pain. But those weren't very wide spread. It seemed every numbnut was falling for those Damn fake anti virus things and they wreaked havoc on a system.

I think those are what drove me towards it ain't worth the hassle anymore.