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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Svardskampe:
And even then, as albundy2010 says, it takes months for custom roms to make stable versions....Ye, so? You're going to tell me they have a hard time as a professional company to achieve an update for their phones, while a bunch of 'amateurs' can within months? An update is pocket change for big companies like that. It's just that they don't want to deliver long support, because for example Samsung wants you to buy every new iteration of their Galaxy S series.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Points well made. Our conversation was started off by the discussion of Apple and the USA carriers. So the discussion carried on talking about the US market.

Yes the Nexus is a reference design. They do it just like Microsoft has the Signature Series of PC's. You can only buy a signature series PC from Microsoft online, or one of the very few Microsoft stores. Its a "pure" windows experience, much like the nexus is for android. When you're a software maker and OEMS make your devices, you pretty much have to offer that pure experience.

About the updates, its a little different. Were building from AOSP which has most of the hardware support built in. Some things might need to be back ported, but those are typically old or rare devices.

We'll use Samsung as an example. They have to build touchwiz into the new version. Its more than just a launcher. Its a framework as well. Sense is the same way. The amateur equivalent would be MIUI. They're still on 4.2.2.

The carriers however are not software developers, and if the OEM actually cares about pushing the update, the carrier could care even less unless its one of their current devices.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
A company like Apple trying to sell a new product to its customers by boasting the specs is like a salesman trying to sell a Rolls Royce by listing all the specifications of the car. You just don't do it like that.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
On the Apple specs thing.

They care about specs. Do they advertise based on it? No. But man do they care.

They care so much that they went out and hired some great CPU guys to build their own chips. They did so because none of the Silicon vendors out there made a chip that meets their needs. So they spent millions designing their own SoC.

When you do this you have to justify it to your board and shareholders. You just can't do it and be like ummm yeah. We did it because of this. This is the performance we get with this much power draw and so on.

They do this so all the other things that the device does it does well. For example that camera app and experience on the 5s. You aren't getting that without the powerful chip. You don't get the massive gaming performance increases. And so on.

So people will sit there and go apple doesn't market there device spec for spec and battle it out like a stupid youtube vs video and so they don't care is a just wrong.

In fact they do it right. All the other players do it wrong. From the current ghz race and core race these fools are in. To the chappy camera megalixel race. This is why we get arm a15 cores running a phone at 1.9 ghz. Because Samsung is stupid. ARM will tell you that those cores should be clocked around 1.3 on so and so process node. Put stupid oems crank the voltage up. Crank up the clockspeed. Ship a broken version of big little and so on.

Apple on the other hand keeps the clocks down closer to if not right at the nominal frequency. Throws more silicon at the chip for more performance.

They care more than any other OEM about specs. From their SoC to the screen calibration to the camera and so on.

They just don't play pointless and foolish spec game that goes on with android devices. And stupid reviewers with their dog fights and read the specs off the box reviews. The pocketnow fools that say 64bit is a gimmick. The oh it feels fast and the screen looks nice blah blah.

The best part is the specs that Apple does show off like the ARMv8 ISA 64 bit SoC and it's transistor count etc the so called spec heads have no idea what that even means. Instead it's Yawn I got a quad core / octa crap. Or the difference between the new 8mp cam and the old. Oh its the same MP etc.

You will struggle to find examples outside of the modem where apple isn't on the bleeding edge of what's available on mobile almost everywhere else. Of course you got to use sense when doing so. Like not say something stupid like it doesn't have a 3000 Mah battery or a giant screen. You have to actually think about what they can use in their actual form factor they do with.

Anyways I'm blabbing and and I actually need to go bed earlier than normal. But bottom line is apple absolutely cares about specs. Their fanboys no. The clueless mobile tech industry besides the folks that covered the pc space hw no. And Android die hard blind iPhone haters / it's apple so it sucks crowd. No. There is big difference between not marketing based on specs and not caring about them.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
[MENTION=2986645]albundy2010[/MENTION]

Ugh, I typed a lengthy reply but tapa lost the post and told me I don't have permissions.

I'm not typing it again.

Here's the bullet points:

-I agree.

-Was referring to not caring in the marketing aspect. Their in house chip design proves they care as you said.

-Go to gsmarena and use the photo compare chart. See how great the new 8mp iPhone camera is. See how shítty ours is. Sensors>MegaPixels.

-Walled garden which is why they have a great experience. They control everything about the device, even the unlock procedure.

-They don't use new tech unless they created it, they use tech that has been thoroughly tested. (Referring to radios). They will refuse to have a bad user experience based on something they can't control.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
-100 is vague, the lowest voltage will hit the limit sooner than a higher voltage/frequency.

Don't think in terms of incremental values, there are absolute voltages with an absolute minimum and an absolute maximum, I don't have the path in memory, I can give it to you when I get home.

/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ you'll see the UV table.

(Trinity Kernel Toolbox uses absolutes, because they never change for a chip, but if I pre-UV a kernel, the incremental value would drop, the absolute stays the same)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheNerd:]:
For some reason the file explorer didn't save the changes
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
You need to give it the voltages in a single, space separated line.

Make sure you give it the right number of voltages.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
not flowers, nor beasts..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Went out for dinner and the place has a 60's theme.

Love this fuel pump from the oldies!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
I can vouch for this message! We love Android, but it doesn't mean we have to hate everything that Apple does. The MacBook Pro line is really good, I have one and I couldn't live the same way without it. It just works.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
I like some Apple products too. I just wish I could afford them. :(
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Xmaster8:
Sorry to burst your bubble but iPhone 5s processor is made by samsung!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Not limited to iPhone 5S, they've been building iPhone socs for a while now.

Doesn't mean Samsung designed them, Apple just doesn't want to own a fab for SoCs.

Example: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6

And Al did say they designed the chip and got someone to fab it.

Both are old news.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
In fact I expect a rage post from All about this. He mentioned this non story a while ago as an example of how clueless the mobile/tech media is. I said they were link baiting, he said they were idiots.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
You aren't busting a thing.

It's apple. It's apple design designed and engineered. Samsung is just the fab.

That's like saying Qualcomm doesn't design it's chips. Tsmc does.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
Which is why the phone says " Designed in Cupertino".

And [MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] I've often heard the best windows laptop you can buy is a Macbook Pro.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
I don't care what it says to be honest. That's just for the final product. Of course the modem block itself wasn't made or designed there. But all the RF antenna / chassis stuff likely was.

Maybe the cpu guys were stationed somewhere else in the world designing it etc. Close to fab to get the chip from tape out to final silicon and so on.

It's not as simple as making a blue print and sending it to the fab and the next week you got the final silicon in the factories.

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They are idiots. I'll use the last example I heard personally lately. The pocketnow guys. 64 bit is gimmick, the a7 is bleh etc. Idiots what have no idea about hw period

And that goes the same from most of the mobile tech reviewers and blogs. They can do both. Link baiting and being a complete idiots. All these clowns that claim to be mobile tech reviewers and don't know damn thing about the tech.

It's nice. It's feels fast. It's metal.... Idiots. I can get that info from a little kid at the bus stop before school.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
And being that most of them are just j-school kids with no technology based backgrounds proves you're right on this one.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Svardskampe:
The institutes of technology offer a laptop model from the university, with full support, with extremely thorough testing in terms of integrity, specs vs. price and so on (with windows or linux Suse). Obviously you can believe them every model they choose each year is the best windows laptop imo.

Usually, it's a HP elitebook getting chosen, but I've got mine in a year where I got a lenovo w520. This year it's the HP EliteBook 8570w.

http://w3.tue.nl/fileadmin/dict/objects/NSC/specificaties_notebook_2013-2014-.pdf

Previous years it was a pretty standard upgrade for students to change their dvd-drive for an SSD, but it seems that this years model didn't came with one.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Oh benchmarks don't matter. Specs don't matter all that matters is the user experience.

Why can't this phone record in 1080p at 120 frames while the other one can. Why can't this one shoot rapid shots like that one? Why is the camera view finder show dam fluid and high FPS? How come my year old device doesn't run the newest OS as smooth and the more demanding apps. Specs don't matter.....

This gets repeated even now. While we got two models of the galaxy s4. One that does 4k and one that doesn't. One that it is known to run better than the other. Yup. Specs don't matter. Says the reviewers that base performance on quadrant and antutu.

This crap just annoys the hell out of me.

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One last thing on this rant.

It's really boils down to this with them I am not actually capable of reviewing the hardware properly to understand the how and the whys. Therefor specs don't matter. Benchmarks don't matter because I am to stupid to know what the results mean... But it feels nice and these are the specs on the box and it runs android version......

That's the majority of them in nutshell.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hartleyshc:
What is your opinion of John C Dvorak? Granted he used to write about tech 100 years ago, and mostly writes about the tech market now at MarketWatch and PCMag. But I've heard/read him numerous times ***** about the current gen of tech writers talking about how they don't know anything and even their bad reviews are still favorable to not piss off OEMs because their access to early review units.

At the same time I've heard him laugh about how he used to review software by looking at the box. A nice package meant good software. Have also heard him laugh about how he used to link baiting (and still does) but back then in the print form.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
interesting. not that it matters to me any, at all, but i thought that the iphone(c/s) would do better than samsung sgs3 in the touch panel performance http://www.optofidelity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/OF_iPhone5C_vs_iPhone5C.pdf
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Svardskampe:
It's true that reviews are balls nowadays, but not just tech, everything. Blockbusters, movies, games....Everything seems sponsored, wow and so overly positive without any harsh criticism, or you really have to dig down for it. You see reviews for the most high-end devices, but need to look at user comments for low, to even mid end.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
Just threw on omni ROM and finally went back to Trinity, its been way too long.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
welcome home :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
I'm liking Omni, for now its bare bones. When you add the psx dalvik patches with trinity kernel it becomes pretty fast too.

Plus you can do this...

Not too useful on this size screen but its still cool.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nycelitemaster:
So i gave it a shot, my transition got choppy.. It was like breaking.. Like bad vid card. Wierd.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
What rom are you on?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nycelitemaster:
Stock rom.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
JWR, right?

Did you disable HW overlay in developer options?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nycelitemaster:
Yup JWR, no i didnt disable hw overlay. Maybe thats the issue.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
Nailed it? :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nycelitemaster:
This fixed it.. But why it needed to be disabled?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
heres some info. it might be dated a little, but it sums it up. its because trinity kernel is a jss/jsl kernel, and youre running a jwr rom http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2382880
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nycelitemaster:
Ah ok. I thought trinity supported jwr as well.. Oh well

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
It doesn't work like that that.

It takes time to do period. They got to to get it up and running, along with all the their custom stuff. Make sure it actually works, which means test it thoroughly. Over the years there have been many updates that have basically ruined older phones.

Imagine what would happen if Samsung pushed out a crappy faulty build onto let's say the gs3.

The average consumer also really isn't even concerned about getting a 4.2 to 4.3 update for example. Especially on a skinned device like those.

On a different but related note even the Google engineers will tell how hard it is for them to bring up android on a new platform.

This stuff just takes time and a lot of work. Don't matter if you're Google a custom rom, Samsung, htc and even apple with their iPhones. Look at their betas for example over the years. It's a ton of work.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
yea.

still, not that big of a deal to disable hardware overlays(at least) :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
Also its a much better option then those fix it zips which caused me a lot of deadlock issues when I tried them a ways back.

Now I try to only run kernels made for my ROM version.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
which is whyi dont recommend them anymore :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
Lol tandem benching...

Edit here's an antutu without a quadrant running at the same time...

from my Omni/Trinity [n⁴]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
If i want my omni to run on trinity, I need to reflash stock JSS kernel and then patch it up using tf11?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
I just went with a clean install of omni (cause I was coming from PA)then flashed trinity on top with the psx dalvik stuff. Works perfectly fine aside from the occasional deadlock which should be expected on any ROM based on anything besides JWR.

from my Omni/Trinity/v4a [n⁴]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Odd. My radio doesn't seem to be working. Phone radio. Wifi and all is working except phone itself.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
What recovery did you use?

from my Omni/Trinity/v4a [n⁴]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
6.0.4.3 the latest available
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
odd.

have you tried just rebooting?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Yes and its not working. The boot time is awfully long.

I'll write out my procedure here.

Recovery: 6.0.4.3 (latest)

Wipe data/fac reset > Wipe Cache > wipe system > wipe dalvik

Flash omni 26102013 > banks gapps > tf11 > psx speed patch(smth like that) > supersu 1.65

I wipe system because I believe its one step closer to pristine.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
recovery is cwm?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Yup. Wait... CWM have issues?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
so i hear. twrp recovery is better and more functional. anyways, its not a kernel issue. in your about phone, is your baseband visable or unavailable?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Twrp 2.5.0.0, try with this one. https://db.tt/ohwAPCF7
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] TheDarkDefender:
Lol. I've seen this very link in most of your posts. Add this to your sig,lol. But honestly, this was the last fully working twrp i used. Picked it up in some post of yours long ago and still running it. :thumbup::thumbup:

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Recovery has become the only thing I do not update to the latest. It is amazing how versatile the behaviour of the latest (any latest) is for different users; for some it might be perfect, for others it might render the phone unusable. Weird shet..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deani77:
Minds sharing PSX dalvik patches... Using OmniROM right now...

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tvcat-xda:
Agreed. If you prefer to update to the latest then I would recommend wait for at least 2 week then decide after checking the feedback.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jayjay3333:
Well it finally happened. My ol' Nexus S finally hard rebooted...:crying: It is pretty much only used by my 4 year old daughter and at times I use it for music or to check XDA.

These pictures were (luckily) taken 18 days ago so it was 208 days!! That is one solid ROM/Kernel combo!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] KiD3991:
Well I'll be damned. It really is because of the recovery. While TWRP fixed the kernel, it failed to fix root. Under odd circumstances CWM installing SuperSu1.65 works in Omni, but other times it just fails.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
I think you' better to start over. Worked for me.

Flash TWRP 2.5.0.0 (reboot recovery), ROM, gapps, trinity and superSu 1.65.

:thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
"Canyon of Fire" recorded on the sun..

[YOUTUBE]Qurh_BZ-O2E[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=46846913

from my Omni/Trinity/v4a [n⁴]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] morfic:
Don't ever change it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deani77:
'psx5_patch_nexus4.3'

Is this that patch file?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
yes. i grabbed it as well. i was using the s4 patch, but this one did me better :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] apatal:
Then I'm sure you're gonna love the patch in this post. ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
will try it
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sub1287:
Thanks for sharing. :)

Although I just tried it and ran a quadrant. My score dropped at least 700 points from what it does on the PSX patch.

from my Omni/Trinity/v4a [n⁴]
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
ok, tested both. on quadrant they gave me the same scores. on antutu the psx patch did a little better, i get slighty better graphics scores with it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
And this is how you drain your battery in less than 8h
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
BTW today is a very remarkable day for me. One of my best friends got married and I hit 160mph for a first time. In metro Detroit on a shiety US highway. Felt a lot better then the last time I approached that number
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] albundy2010:
Be careful out there. One screw up at that speed and you're done

This is coming from somebody that has maxed out a souped up gsxr 1000 at around 200mph on the sprain brook Parkway in NY

And had the front brake lever fall off doing a gsxr 750 about 140 mph on the Bronx river Parkway in Westchester. Which is a two Lane narrow somewhat twisty road.

Done my share of not so bright things.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] C4SCA:
U know a person simply understands about motorcycles when he owns a gsxr...

For sure i want one! But 600, 1000 is too much power and consumes too much gas :P

sent from my NEXUS 4 tasting a revamped cooking recipe of Jellybeans (4.3).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kocai:
Not so bright but I salute you. The fastest I did was around 93mph on my first bike https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Satria_120_R back when I was in high school.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Yeah, I shouldn't have been driving on the first place. But I hadn't seen an open stretch of road we no traffic in a while. The good news, it was still pooling hard :cool:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Good ol' balcan style, alcohol makes you drive better point of view..? :eek:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jonup:
Yeah, I don't think so.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ticiano:
Hi guys. As I see we have lots of nice members here in this thread, I'd like to know your sugestions about this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2501336

Could we have a solution for this problem implemented like a kernel feature?

Thanks.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
have you tried the viper4android app? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vipercn.viper4android4x&hl=en
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lazer155:
What is the newest experimental build? I'm running tf11 4.3 any right now. Is there a newer experimental build available?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
thats the latest
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ticiano:
Simms22, sorry for my noobness, but witch CPU option I have to make for the N4 at thay Viper4Android setup options?

Thanks.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] maverick_hunter:
Went barhopping with a lady friend yesterday to watch all our NFL games and the World Series. This one had the best sign and atmosphere.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
what are the options again, i dont remember..

a9 if i remember that its an option.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ticiano:
I think I found. Something like core A9 with neon. Thanks!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
Simms22 do you have a link yo TF152 or 133?

You choose da kernel :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
tf133 was at derkernel(4.2.2 kernel) http://goo.gl/Omxpi

ill look for tf152..

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tf152 is gone
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] melbourne408:
Dude you are the man, thank you!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] simms22:
i better be, because i sure am not the woman ;)