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[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
I guess one x plus is better but ppl say beats just an equalizer and not hardware is that true or not? << so important question (beats says on their website they

do add great quality hardware and placement them in right places for clarity and great sound as heard by artists in thier studio)

does beats audio on htc one x plus better than voodoo with s3 ??

Still waiting more suggestion of devices of best audio quality hardware

Please please please people reply my first 2 questions in my first post in this thread

Thanks alot,

Maxwel1
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
The Galaxy S3 (i9300 and i9305, NOT the US models) has the Wolfson DAC that the original Galaxy S/Nexus S (remember the Voodoo audio mod?). Also applies to the Note 2. If you want to use this device as a secondary device, you can just get a Galaxy S or Nexus S, but as a daily phone if you need something powerful, get the S3.

As for the One X, the Tegra 3 was rated as having the worst and nosiest DAC. Beats Audio is a gimmick and is just a software audio equalizer preset.

Using Siyah kernel and STweaks on my S3:
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Is STweaks available for the Note 2?
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
Yes, but you need to be running Siyah kernel (which I'm assuming exists for the Note 2 since Play Store reviews for the app say people are using it): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gokhanmoral.stweaks.app&hl=en

The kernel includes the app when you flash it but in case it doesn't, link above.
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Does stweaks give same sound quality and options like voodoo sound like for radio too?

Does voodoo work for note 2?

Which u prefer note 2 or s3 in terms of sound hardware and quality ( speakers and headphones) ?

Does stweak/voodoo work for speaker too or just headphone ?

Does stweaks/voodoo work with all apps?
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
STweaks applies audio tweaks system-wide, at the kernel level. I don't believe there's an official Voodoo mod for the S3 or Note 2 yet, however the mods in STweak use code from the official Voodoo mod (it's just as good). Both the Note 2 and S3 i9300/i9305 (again, not the US S3, BUT you can use any Note 2. It's part of the Exynos chipset) have the same chipset, but the Note 2 is a little faster and has 2GB of RAM. It's up to you really. I like the size of the S3 compared to the Note 2. But the Note 2 is slightly more powerful and has the S-Pen among other things.
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Aah right ok. Ive just been researching a little. No actual voodoo sound for the note 2 just yet, and the neak kernel has options for sounds etc, and neak and siyah are both compatible with samsung based roms?

Im thinking of rooting and installing the android revolution hd rom, which has the option to install the perseus kernel, and im sure I read something an hour ago about something to do with voodoo sound and perseus?...so would there be a control app with that too?

I also hate to ask but not necessarily which is the best, do you know which has the most features etc

Ive had the note 2 3 weeks maybe and im a music nut. Still unrooted with the stock rom. Also had this noozoxiode app installed and its great and very impressive, just when I have the headphones in its too quiet, even with the volume on max.

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This app

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2039716

[AUDIOPHILE] Noozxoide EIZO-rewire™ PRO - UPDATED v2.0.1.9
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
Siyah kernel supports both Samsung and AOSP based ROMs in one (with tweaks and everything) and even supports dual-booting as long as one ROM is AOSP and one is Samsung-based. I recommend Omega ROM because it has a ton of features. It uses AROMA installer so you can choose what you want to include or not when flashing the ROM, and it has tons of mods (comes with an app that showcases a few of them). It's for the S3 i9300 and Note 2.
[General Questions and Answers] showlyshah:
My personal experience, no android hardware is good for quality audio, used almost all trendy phones from HTC,moto,Samsung ,Sony. Well Sony had the best audio phones b4, but Sony seems to take no care for audio hardware( yes I mean hardware itself and not software /os ) now a days. I can strongly say it becoz I am a fan of Sony Ericsson phones ( those old cyber shots and walkmans) and besides the fact that 95 % of those phones were java phones, they really had a good cam, and good sound hardware. My personal interests were k800,w880,c905 and w995. If u can mod/patch and change drivers of those phones, I bet u will throw out ur iPods. Even now I have c905, with changed cam/display/ sound drivers and I barely use my hd2 for photos or songs. Go find one of them, then go to se-nse forum, be the guru to ur phone. 1Ce u behold a moded phone, u never get back to android for audio.Sony had phones with Smaster digital amp with about 2v o/p . It will bleed ur ears if u remove the sound restrictions Sony inserted in its drivers. And mods are intented to remove restrictions.

Nb. Lol android is not an os for entertainment unlike iOS, but it is more close to productivity. So expect less multimedia.and if u want an android multimedia device go for Sony's android walkman. But never ever buy Sony phones for this purpose.
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
I think you are not the only music nut as i been searching for best audio hardware for a week and read some articles all mafe me confused so decided to make a thread for help n suggestions.

Btw stweaks work with all apps?

Work for heafphones only? Or loudspeakers too?

Is it easy to be installed n does it affect updating the android later on?

Thanks alot,

Maxwel1
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Thanks for the tip, just been scrolling through the omega 9.1 thread... omg! And a kitchen app! So in a nutshell I fully charge, root with method 2 so I get cwm to flash the rom with, backup stuff and flash omega then wipe everything at the start of the aroma. Then download the kitchen app and install the perseus kernel so I get stweaks which is the closest thing to voodoo?

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What I know so far, and ive only been looking into this stuff tonight. It seems stweaks is the option to go with as its the closest to the voodoo sound mod, and yes it sorts out both headphone and speaker etc. Also I think stweaks is kernel specific to perseus. So you would need to root and install a rom that supports the perseus kernel. Apparently the omega rom is one of the top Samsung based ones and you can flash the perseus kernel with the omega rom kitchen app from the play store. Search for omega files. This seems the best way to go at the minute.
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
I am not that good to be my phone guru plus i asked for best from nowadays new phones cuz i need phone that can suit my tasks as my previous ones could not java one and honestly i got ipod touch 4g and had iphone 3g and now got s2 which will sell but i really bored with ios and need to change ik s2 is android but i had it for like 4-5 monthes unlimke ios so i was searching best of android audio hardware although i agree that android not good with audio that much anymore and ios more better at that point as far as i know about iphones/ipod and s2 but still after best of them although i see at productivity iphone more better too atleast look at thier apps and play apps... I like android os flexibility and easy and much customizable than ios but not agreeing about productivity due to less app devs for play.

till now i guess a note 2 with stweaks is answer so far. Why not s3? Cuz personally i hate to carry phone with 50% of people around the world. I love to carry something not out there much and special with good features especially audio :)

Thanks in advance,

Maxwel
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Thanks alot bro for help and tips :) i guess goimg with note 2 as i need the audio quality so bad and ofc dont want to drop newest function the technology offer for me nowadays in a phone so i guess its best choice although the size not gonna be hapoy with but bigger size with all i need is better than the opposite and s3 is carried by anyone so its like not that sepcial anymore atleast for me

Thanks again :)
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
One sec....

The galaxy s3 is pretty much - overall - a smaller note 2 without the s pen and with the same wolfson dac, and the omega rom is up to something like version 35 with the s3! :)
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Yea same as note 2 somehow but so populated i dont like carrying something all ppl do carry it to dont look that speecial phone. Thats why imma go for note 2
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Good choice! Note 2 is really something special
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
This is my last question that will help me alot:

Htc one x plus better or s3 / note 2 with voodoo/stweaks in terms of sound quality atleast for headphones ? Which sound better? (btw dont compare it with one x cuz they said it sound worst than one x plus on gsmarena )

i know that beats audio just an eq but they said on thier website that they get involved in choosing everything related to sound in the products they work with like hp and htc like quality of jack, chips and circulatory ad placement. So if that true it dont matter if beats audio thing is just eq or not as they gave quality on other hand too.

Thanks alot and please reply me cuz that is what gona make me take the disicion
[General Questions and Answers] daviq:
Really, don't say that the OPPO Find 5 is lacking behind the One X+ and the S3 on specs?? - That's not true. The Find 5 is waaaaay ahead of those two.

Check this. :) - Or search on Google? Don't know how you came to that conclusion? :confused:

If you're worried about updates, that's a different thing entirely. I don't know anything about that. But then again, I don't care about updates as I'll probably just end up flashing a custom ROM anyway.. :)

Anyway, just wanted to correct you on those specs. Good luck. :)
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Bro its less storage no lte plus dont have much features as much as i read compared to s3/ note 2 /one x plus but i guess its audio and video is great but i still cant get rid of all other features :/ i dont mean its that bad but trust me there are many features in oppo missing among nowadays phones plus i doubt if i can find it here in my country as its not that well known here.

Thanks for the help alot bro and would love to hear from u more if u got anything to discuss :)

Guys still waiting replies for my previous post

Thanks,

Maxwel
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
Ok in terms of audio quality:

Galaxy S i9300 (NOT the US models) + Note 2 > One X

The Tegra 3's DAC in the One X is really crappy. Beats Audio is just an EQ and it's a gimmick. Even without it, the One X doesn't have great audio reproduction quality. You want an Exynos Quad-Core device (so either the i9300, OR if you want LTE, get a US Note 2).
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
The Note 2 and S3 has the wolfson dac. "The" hardware component that a lot of people rate as "the" best for audio quality.

It seems to get the best out of the wolfson dac is to root the device and install a custom rom that either supports the perseus, siyah or new boeffla kernel as the stweaks app directly takes full advantage of the wolfson dac audio chip.

Once your happy with this set up you coukd look at other apps or tweaks such as the noozoxiode app or the acid sound mod (that has the noozoxiode as an added extra / optional install and is like a collection of probably "the best" sound mods etc. Reviews are mixed with this.

Ancillaries. Forget beats, like others have said it really is just a clever marketing strategy of a heavy bass eq setting.

Apple used the wolfson dac in some of their ipods before moving to using cirrus logic and again those ipods are highly rated.

Lastly to get the most out of your audio your going to need a fairly big memory card for all those lossless files. And obviously different headphones make a significant difference.

For me at the minute im still unrooted with just the noozoxiode app playing apple lossless through poweramp with my hmv sale special Sony mxr-xd100s. The noozoxiode is set to "audiophile" or "unique iii" depending on the type of music and I copied the "perfect" eq itunes setting into poweramp. Make sure you untick "use direct line" in poweramp as it interferes with the noozoxiode.

Audio is good, it just needs to be louder! That is my only gripe.

Ok so back to the start. Improving and getting the 100% most from this wolfson dac...

Ill be possibly starting a mission today to root, install a custom rom (possibly omega 9.1) and flash a kernel (hopefully siyah, if not then definitely perseus) and then have a mess with the stweaks and maybe flash the acid mod (with the noozoxiode add on later)

I listen to pretty much everything depending on my mood so can post some feedback if need be later and if it all goes successful!

Now to start backing up, video tutorials are bookmarked for rooting and setting up the acid mod later along with forum links for any issues.

Its a bit of a shame that it seems you only get half the benefits of the wolfson audio chip with the phone out of the box and still on stock etc, so its highly appreciated to have things like the stweaks, voodoo sound, acid mods and apps that take full advantage of the audio chip etc

Wish me luck!
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
STweaks can change output volume, or just download Volume+ from the market.
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Im sure I read somewhere last night that stweaks is the closest thing to voodoo sound for the note 2 at the minute? And stweaks has a few more options than just changing the output volume?
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
A LOT of options. If you decide to use it with Siyah kernel (which it needs), set the audio equalizer preset to either "Pleasant for Ears" or "Eargasm". It sounds amazing (the latter raises the bass quite a bit, so if you don't want that, use Pleasant for Ears). STweaks/Siyah kernel actually implements code from Voodoo. Go back a few pages, I took screenshots of the app's Audio tab.
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Brilliant! Thanks for that. Also heard 5 mins ago that siyah isnt available for the note 2 at the minute. So perseus is next choice and again ive heard stweaks works just about the same with perseus?
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
Off the top of my head, I don't know (I have an S3 i9300), however Play Store reviews for STweaks say that people are using it with Perseus and it works fine. The app will disable any options that don't work on your kernel anyways, so you'll know whether or not it works.
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Great stuff! Ok thanks. It really seems stweaks is the way to go for getting the most from the wolfson dac here
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Thanks alot for ur explanation of installation. Idk but everytime u post u make me feel i am in love with note 2 more concerning its dac capabilities and sound quality so glad :)

You use note 2, right?

Can u please inform me how its going after installing kernel and stweaks and tell me which options u missed of those in siyah by looking at screen shots from product f(RED)'s previous post or post screen shots of yours :)

Thanks alot :)

Maxwel1
[General Questions and Answers] Product F(RED):
TriangleAway from the Market can reset the flash counter if you're using Siyah kernel or any other kernel that supports it. If not, it'll still work without a supported kernel, but it's a bit trickier. Works for the S3 and Note 2.

Also, the S2 (which I had previously) had a crappy Yamaha DAC that produced flat sound, and that's why Samsung went back to the Wolfson DAC (the S1/Nexus S had the Wolfson originally).
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Thanks, yeah theres videos on Youtube explaining how its all done, it seems you would only need to use the triangle away in case of warranty issues etc.

Very true, the sound on the S2 was a complete let down, I also had one and no mod could mask over the rubbish audio chip
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Quick update!

Ok gone and installed the Omega Rom, Perseus kernel and stweaks, the audio settings are DEEP! and theres the option to boost volume, but not so its completely overpowering, tried a mix from classical to dubstep and yeah sounds great. Will post a more detailed post soon!
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
I listen mostly to electronica genres like trance house dubstep etc :)

so the boosting volume not tha greatt?

How many options greyed out with perseus in stweaks so far?

It took long doing all that? There is any link for youtube video that u can give to help me?

By the way by romming and adding mod and as u mentioned it is known by google that is modified that means that i will not be able to update android anymore? Or i will just lose what i modified and kernel when i update? What about warranty?

Do stweaks on long run can damage dac or anything related to hardware or lead to heating up the note 2?

I got s2 now and its my first galaxy device and honestly its cause turning me down from buying more samsung phones

Thanks alot bro and please keep me informed with updates cuz soon imma buy note 2,

Maxwel1
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
indigotheory, please reply me previous post questions as soon as u read it

thanks bro,

Maxwel
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Thats so sweet to hear :)

But still need a good youtube vid for helping me do the process as soon as possible :(

Plus u said there can be a little risk on dac by using stweaks for audio modification? Cuz my question was mainly asking if using it will affect dac or any audio hardware as i wont use that stweaks to tweak any other settings beside audio settings so that why i am asking.

and so true s2 was piece of **** in terms of audio quality.

Thanks a bunch bro,

Maxwel
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Its great, really enjoying it and right at this minute i see no reasons to add any more mods such as that Acid mod I was on about trying the other day, theres a possibility with the Nooz app, but i think it will be overkill. As mentioned the Stweaks is very good. Feel free to see my recent posts in the Nooz thread as theres a little debate going on there...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2039716&page=10

Any risks I mentioned were to do with messing with settings in stweaks that you dont know what your doing, cpu, gpu etc etc, stick to the audio tab and your fine!

Theres plenty of YouTube videos out there, root guides, reviews, root apps, mods, tweaks, custom home screens etc are ten a penny so theres no need to add any more! Apart from that its worth looking at Dr Ketans & Chainfires root guides and procedures, everything is self explanatory there, also theres info on Triangle Away and theres a list of stock roms;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1896696

Then over to the Android development thread for the Note 2 N7100 to find a rom you think you might like, theres plenty of them, just make sure whichever you choose is compatible with the Perseus kernel.

Do the reading and research and follow the guides and you cant go wrong!

I've tweaked an EQ preset which ups the bass a little whilst keeping the music as clear and as closest to the original studio recording as possible and its a good all rounder. Listening to Skrillex through the headphones gets you moving!
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Which eqs u tweaked the ones on stweaks or poweramp app? About like studio quality i guess its impossible to reach studio quality with any smartphones tbh so my intention was coming with best a smartphone can offer for an audiophile without losing much of todays best features that smartphones offer of technology too :).

Thanks again bro,

Maxwel1
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
Stweaks, best to leave poweramp as pure default. As mentioned with this phone its about getting the most of the wolfson dac. Stweaks certainly does. Im listening to pink floyds first track from the darkside of the moon at the minute - speak to me. You cant get any better than this (at the minute) real nice, relaxed and a fairly good sense of space considering these are only cheapo headphones.

I could talk music all day! What headphones do you have?
[General Questions and Answers] maxwel1:
Yea the best of wolfson dac and of any other smartphone can offer but i am sure there are better portable audio devices can offer more quality but about wolfson seems its exactly what i need cuz i dont want to carry multiple devices plus note 2 offer the best features that smartphones technology can offer nowadays :)

The only problem i think about all day and night is that when i buy it will i bare its size for long carrying it daily in my pocket or even will it fit in my pocket? Or there will come the day to hate it even if it offers the best features ever plus best dac a smartphone offer for an audiophile like me cuz i heard that the note 2 even bigger than note 1 tho... Not sure.

About my headphone its not that wow but i use "bose solo headphone" not sure about the model but bought it a year ago and they are alright so far but later after buying the phone (whether note 2 which i would love too but size is only problem so far ir htc one x+) i will buy a new headphone maybe beats or fanny wangz :). But if u got any other suggestion about a better headphone's manufaturer/brand would love to know cuz i am an audiophile too -high five- :D
[General Questions and Answers] indigotheory:
There's the sony walkman mp3 players which are spot on with a portable headphone amp such as the fiio ones. Upside brilliant sound. Downside a bit of extra bulk carrying an mp3 player, amp and phone and no lossless audio support so you would be relying on good quality mp3 or aac encodes. Aparr from that the cowon mp3 players are top. But its all down to personal preference. Same with the size of the phone...

For me you soon get used to it. Had it a month now and have only brushed the surface of what it can do and now my girlfriends iphone feels like a pebble when I pick it up! Real life use... its pretty portable but I do find myself using two hands to use it. Not a problem for me. I love this phone, period. Samsung really hit the nail on the head with this and produced an amazing bit of kit.

Bose are ok. They have very mixed reviews and they are frowned upon in the audiophile community. However the quiet comfort ones produce the best noise isolation if you travel a lot.

Forget about Dre... and forget about beats. He doesnt even use them in the studio himself so that pretty much speaks volumes really.

Fanny wang also seem expensive for what they are.

Akg, koss, denon make some cracking headphones. Sennheiser always receive mixed reviews. The majority of sony headphones are a bit bass heavy. Also avoid anything made by monster, they used to make brilliant cables back in the day...then they started cutting costs. Also things like skull candy are style over substance.

This should be enough for now. When you talk music its always an incredibly subjective thing. And its finding the balance between buying the right stuff that suits you and affordability. Same with mods and all these eq presets with descriptions that sometimes make you think what does that even mean!

Head over to innerfidelity theres a guy called tyll who reviews headphones on youtube. He did a great one of the beats solos :) also see his review of the akg k550. Their my next headphone.