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[Ubuntu Touch General] DirgeExtinction:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

You already tried out Ubuntu on your phone? I doubt it. So, how can you say it's simple to use? For all we know, it could be confusing and laggy.
[Ubuntu Touch General] mirror77:
I think they are trying to find hardware-partners who will provide such a dock, like for the Motorola Atrix. Somewhere on Youtube you can find a video of "Ubuntu on Android" that shows such docking possibilities, and I think this device is an Atrix.
[Ubuntu Touch General] tomixdev:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

possible. since our device was chosen as the dev phone, there may already be prototypes of a working docking station, because they would need it to test.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Sdobron:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Seems like most of your problems with Ubuntu are caused by unity... Can't help with the mtp issues because mine has been working like 80% of the time on 12.04 and 100% of the time on 12.10.

Have you tried Linux Mint or another distro?
[Ubuntu Touch General] deanesn:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Don't get too excited. Anything Intel has backed up has not seen a day light other than MeeGo and we all know where that has gone. As far as Ubuntu we will have to wait and see. I personally I would like to try it first and then be the judge.
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

I'm surprised google or samsung won't sue canonical for launching ubuntu on their phone galaxy nexus even if it is just a flashable rom, because canonical will be using their nexus phone without permission to try an get people to switch to ubuntu possibly, its not going to be like flashing a custom android rom from some small time dev, it will be a major company like canonical using the gnex to release it ubuntu mobile platform which is taking googles users away from android.

Unless Google or Samsung gave canonical permission to launch Ubuntu on their device I don't see this happening without a lawsuit, why the hell would google allow canonical to release ubuntu for its nexus phone, it makes no sense, even if this does happen it won't last long as gnex will probably only get one ubuntu release or update until canonical gets its own official handsets then they will drop support straight away for gnex.
[Ubuntu Touch General] deanesn:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Well to start they are not selling any Samsung galaxy nexus phones. And ones you buy a phone you can install whatever you want.
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

So if Google made android work on the iPhone 5 an started publishing it to whoever wanted to install it you don't think apple would sue even if google dont make or sell the iPhone 5 ?

Their still trying to steal users away from google by doing this, its not like usual android custom roms which are still android an still use play store an google services an apps, its a whole different os an organisation pinching customers an trying to get them to use their os an different app store, do you honestly think its ok for a company to do this an for google to keep quiet even though its potentially losing thousands in playstore an google music revenue ect, you obviously don't know much about business, google will stop this before it even gets released to the general public an if it doesn't canonical will be a distant memory after they get sued to oblivion.

Quite simple if canonical want to release ubuntu mobile os they have to make their own smartphone or find a manufacturer to release a phone that comes pre installed an launched with Ubuntu otherwise Its all bs an some media hype to get the Ubuntu mobile os some publicity, canonical doing this on a nexus phone is just more of an insult to google.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Sdobron:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

I honestly don't understand why Google or Samsung would sue. They are doing development on a phone designed for it.

If anything Google can learn from it - also you're talking about a small percentage of the already small Nexus user base.
[Ubuntu Touch General] DirgeExtinction:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

I don't think neither Google nor Samsung would have anything to sue Canonical with even of they wanted to. Besides, Mozilla is in a similar position making an OS that can be used on Android phones. Do you really think Canonical is stupid enough to release Ubuntu OS for the Galaxy Nexus without going through the appropriate channels first?
[Ubuntu Touch General] tallnerd1985:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Besides the small market share that the Galaxy Nexus holds compared to other models, Google nor Samsung have any grounds to sue or bring legal injunction against Canonical. Plus, the images or source code do not impede or conflict with any open-source GPL violations with Android or Samsung. All Canonical is doing with this is giving developers a means to test out their software and debugging purposes until a full-fledged phone is launched by a OEM and carrier. Google has nothing to fear by this because in a technical sense, Android is basically a fancy runtime sitting on top of Linux. What that means is that Android with PlayStore could in theory be installed on approved Linux distros kind of like how Steam market and its engine is available on Ubuntu at the moment. Of course Google is playing with the notion of launching their own full Linux distro but at the moment, its more of a technical learning of building a Linux distro along with cloud computing. If it takes off and can compete with Ubuntu for market share on Desktop/Laptop market, great but if it fails, then they just fall on their bread&butter of the PlayStore and Android.
[Ubuntu Touch General] lesp4ul:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

This is nonsense thoughts. Google, samsung, or any android phone manufactures likely wouldn't sue any softwares based on open source. It's on GPL, GNU and other licenses. Samsung as you mentioned is one of Linux Foundation member and they are open to open sources. So if Samsung prohibits custom OS to be installed why they release source codes? Basically you can ubuntu to any phone BUT you need the codes, drivers, etc. If Samsung gonna sue Ubuntu, they must sue Mozilla, Cyanogenmod, MIUI, and others too. Moreover ubuntu itself is free. Canonical know this and doesn't include what is/are proprietary Samsung licenses.

Also you CAN'T generalise your perspective between Apple and Google/Samsung. Apple sued the hacker who successfully jailbreak their phone, Apple sued Samsung for that stupid phone icon! Android not! Android is free to hack as long you are know what you are doing.

From my thoughts, Samsung should proud of what their devices can do and can take this as advantage to sell more phones by supporting devs. Yes, they already support CM team and others. Hey, this is all Linux. We sell hardwares, you guys developers make OS you like.

Playstore huh? Google won't be worry of that. Ubuntu is gonna be available for many phones but how much? Android communities are very large already from newbies to geeks. Ubuntu is very large also but it's not for everybody until this time. Small brands won't preinstall ubuntu for their phones. Come on, casual users won't try to flash ubuntu. They are happy of what playstore giving to them. Games, themes, apps, some of them will buy em for sure.

You say everytime devs want to release an OS, they must release their own hardware????? huh??? If you have A LOT OF MONEY, you do it. :banghead:

Let say I am Canonical, why spend money again for R&D hardwares? I built Ubuntu phone OS, give a proposal to manufacturer (ex. Samsung) to lend the phone and codes, make it happen. Canonical live from donation, so what will you donate? $1? $10.000? Okay, samsung asked to make special phone with ubuntu installed, will they take the risks of OS that unpopular for most users? How much it will costs for r&d, production, marketing and shipping? "We already have bada, tizen for middle low market, high end we have android and windows, ubuntu and android is more less the same. You don't like android, just download and flash ubuntu for your GNex, why should we spent more? At least not for now."
[Ubuntu Touch General] smileyanz:
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No I haven't! But I do have a small and rather successful company with lots of geeks working for me!! And because of that things tend to drop on my desk" looking for a pay rise I suspect!! And no its not laggy what so ever.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Juno-First:
I used to use Kubuntu so may go back to that & get away from Unity.

Well Ubuntu wont pick up my Nexus at all now in in MTP, at least PTP allows copying a ROM across to the pictures folder.

Imagine the ludicrous notion of a Windows phone not working properly win Win8, m$ would be laughed at.

Hmm, is putting Ubuntu mobile on an Android phone like putting Ubuntu on an Xbox? Who does the phone belong to? If Canonical use copyrighted software without permission then fair enough. Maybe we're lucky Apple didn't copyright the touchscreen phone lol. Android on an iPhone, now thats something Id like see, cus if the phone belongs to you then why cant you do whatever you want with it? If a software developer is being naughty then thats their problem.

Here is a video I did a while ago of Kubuntu showing how it multi-tasks. It was done on my 6yr old gen1 quadcore. Thought folks might like see how well Linux can multitask, so our puny dual-core ARM should be fine as a desktop, although I think the GPU is more important than the CPU & I'm not impressed with the Gnex GPU.

Kubuntu Multitasking
[Ubuntu Touch General] :
Maybe we will have MTP support in one of the next Ubuntu versions.

Btw. I'm using Arch Linux and manage my Nexus via FTP.
[Ubuntu Touch General] aliensk:
really sue? if they start to sue then bye bye XDA :) just joking open source scene agreements rules laws and framework make sure no one will get sued dont worry :) and no big fuzz this might be gr8 and might be one of the empty dreams we dont know what the future will bring the factors that contribute to the success of a project like this are milions especially that canonical dont have the financial power of google to push the development of a whole new ecosystem. But even if its end up like another geek projects we are lucky will be the priveleged ones to play with it :) so enjoy the fruits of the open source spirit and if any of you think canonical is wrong for even trying then you really dont get it and dont belong here
[Ubuntu Touch General] jimmyhook:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

You can do whatever the hell you want with your own property. The US Library of Congress ruled that jail breaking an I phone's copyrighted software and installing custom mods is perfectly legal. Ergo, I'm sure GNU licensed software us OK.
[Ubuntu Touch General] beekay201:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Canonical isn't even a member of the Open handset alliance.

- AFAIK, the only part of android that is GPL (not sure what version right now) is the kernel, not the platform code (ROM), which is licensed under Apache, I believe.

This is why they are obligated to publish kernel source, and every person who releases work that which modifies it. (A rather rough explanation, but it's something like this).

Hi, also a Arch user here;

Ftp? Why? You can use ADB, or if you really want wireless comms, use ssh/scp.

sent from my Google Galaxy Nexus
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Is that right, so if you mod chip your xbox 360 or ps3 for example an pirate game rentals to an external hardrive that's perfectly legal, if you going to bother jailbreaking an iPhone you may as well have bought an android phone to begin with, these iFreaks winged about not being able to jailbreak with each apple update well hello its apple an you still choose to buy their crap.
[Ubuntu Touch General] insane08:
Two mistakes here... Firstly pirating games is a whole different story than what is being discussed, it has nothing to do with this because it's regarding only modifying the device..pirating games is an illegal activity

Secondly, why do people that buy apple devices have to be called iFreaks ? Im pretty sure there are many people here that own iPhones and iPads as well, as their side devices. I am a former iPhone owner and I loved a jail broken phone as much as I love my current rooted nexus...

As a member of developers website appreciate that, not judge people based on their preferences of electronics.. At the end of the day we all want to get the most out of what we have don't we? So who are you to tell people what to buy

Just my 2 cents
[Ubuntu Touch General] orangekid:
Indeed, I own a jailbroken iPhone as well as a rooted Galaxy Nexus and neither one has any pirated apps. The idea that anyone is going to get sued because of this is quite far-reaching, and since they are releasing a factory image for the Galaxy Nexus next month, if Samsung had a problem with it, they probably would have said something by now.
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Well you can't jailbreak iPhone 5 or 4S on iOS6 or higher to my knowledge, so you either own a really old iPhone like the 4 or 3GS, the dev community for iPhone has never been so stagnant an still going nowhere, how long has iOS6 been out ? Lol exactly.
[Ubuntu Touch General] times_infinity:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

He could be on iOS 5.1.1.

iOS6 jailbreak for A5 devices and higher is coming soon.
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Yea by the time iOS 7 comes out, I'm so glad I don't live in that world anymore waiting months later to be able to update just to be able to jailbreak an all the bs that goes along with it.
[Ubuntu Touch General] orangekid:
Well not to steer away from the topic, but It's actually a 4S on 5.1.1, which I wouldn't call "really old." The iOS 6 untethered jailbreak is coming pretty soon, at which point I will update.

5.1.1 It is still very relevant and very nice jailbroken with some fun tweaks, especially if you know how to theme. iOS 6 didn't really add a whole lot.

Mobile ubuntu will provide us with yet another option with a new sleek UI and great platform from what I can tell, and it will be like having 2 phones in 1 again, like my HD2.
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Is Ubuntu mobile os coming out for iPhone ?

That would be the only thing that would persuade me to use that phone ever again.
[Ubuntu Touch General] orangekid:
What I mean is that my Galaxy Nexus will have two operating systems to choose from, and the iPhone gives me a third option. Just like when I had my HD2 and my 3GS, I could go Winmo, Android, Winpho 7, or iOS.

The whole point is that more choices is better, and iOS jailbroken, as an option, is not that bad at all. The only reason I am saying that is because it was brought up condescendingly earlier.

I am very excited about Ubuntu mobile on my Galaxy Nexus.
[Ubuntu Touch General] mfsr98:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

IMO they (Canonical) will end up creating that.
[Ubuntu Touch General] beekay201:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

You're missing B2G and openWebOS.

sent from my Google Galaxy Nexus
[Ubuntu Touch General] jscurtu:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

The community might, canonical won't ... But then again, that could of happened long ago already, the question is why it did not?

There would need not only a runtime for android apps but also a layer between notifications and indicators..
[Ubuntu Touch General] Juno-First:
I really miss my HD2, there was so much choice regards which OS & even flavours of OS such as Android Sense too.

The only thing pretty much on Gnex is basic Android & MIUI. Granted the developers & themers do a great job with just the basic Android but this Ubuntu mobile will be great addition & hopefully there will be another OS section for the Gnex.

Oh, the bugs this hour on Ubuntu 12.10...

*when resuming from suspend the wifi sometimes does not connect to the internet & a reset is required

*if changing static ip settings over wifi to a different router & going from eg 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.1.254 as the default gateway then a reset is required

I hope Ubuntu mobile dont have as many issues
[Ubuntu Touch General] jimmyhook:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

I brought up the Library Of Congress's legal opinion, which has the force of law in the US, to illustrate a point. NOBODY IS SUING CANONICAL case closed.
[Ubuntu Touch General] infazzdar:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Anyone here tried developing for Ubuntu Mobile yet? Just going through the sample currency app makes it seem that even beginners could make simple apps.

Being able to utilize both native applications and HTML5 applications is a major upside for UM, in my opinion.
[Ubuntu Touch General] mfsr98:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

MAYBE people will develop when the actual OS is out??
[Ubuntu Touch General] craigcrawford1988:
I'm so ****ing glad I never got the Nexus 4, I'm so thankful for the lack of stock that I kept my GNex.
[Ubuntu Touch General] CADude:
Well the Nexus 4 is kind of a waste for most people to buy but it doesn't mean you won't see a build of Ubuntu mobile coming for the Nexus 4 as well.
[Ubuntu Touch General] negrobembon:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

it might receive a custom build but the gnex gets the original
[Ubuntu Touch General] dbnaruto:
Speaking of official builds, has there been any word on the fate of the Verizon and Sprint models? I assume that a port would be very easy, but I have not heard a peep. I would think that the builds would be for the International (GSM) phones, at least at first.
[Ubuntu Touch General] tallnerd1985:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Supposedly all the source code for everything on the VZW and Sprint variants are there so some think it should be a straight forward build but I am skeptical if it comes out at the same time as the GSM build but who knows until it happens.
[Ubuntu Touch General] insane08:
Thread has slowed down quick.

Seems like some people have died waiting for this release.

Hasn't even been a month yet lol.

almos there

And yea they won't release all of them at once I believe. Maybe a few weeks apart after they see how the gsm holds up.

Won't be much of a wait hopefully..
[Ubuntu Touch General] withbloodskies:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Man.. I'm waiting like a kid needs to use the bathroom. I want! The best we can do is modify our phone ui to make it look like UM. I guess we all are waiting for some concrete details on certain aspects of the OS.
[Ubuntu Touch General] jscurtu:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Yea .. I started a few tests with the SDK , playing around with QML and the XZing and Zbar libs to create a barcode reader app .. But I don't know if it would actually work on the phone, so its just something that is filling up my spare time and my geek curiosity until the image is actually released to the phone..
[Ubuntu Touch General] sendhiloo7:
FYI

The Apps

So far, as part of this specific project, 12 applications are currently being sought. These will ship as default apps in the Ubuntu Phone.

They include 8 “traditional” apps:

File Manager

Calendar

Clock/Alarm

Weather

Terminal

Calculator

E-Mail Client

Document Viewer

And 4 “social” apps:

YouTube

Twitter

Facebook

RSS Reader

These will sit alongside an as-yet unspecified number of other core apps (likely to Notes, Gallery, Music, Software Center, etc)

Source http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/12-default-ubuntu-phone-apps-to-be-community-created
[Ubuntu Touch General] insane08:
lol exactly...

I am actually trying to stay away from all of these themes as much as possible because I want it to feel different once I use it. Don't want to get bored of the UI by the time it releases.

My main concern is blowing out the home button, hopefully somebody is able to create an app like PGM so I can turn on and off the device without use of the physical button...

3 years have passed out in the development of this OS idk how they can wait any longer. Just release it, I don't mind having it to play around with and update it as they release newer builds of perfection...trial and error
[Ubuntu Touch General] heat361:
According to this Engadget article, the first Ubuntu phone will ship with no app store

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/25/ubuntu-smartphone-will-launch-without-app-store/
[Ubuntu Touch General] Jimlarck:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Same here, taking a look at their SDK, really eager to see the Ubuntu Software Center (Mobile) grow just like in the early Android days :)
[Ubuntu Touch General] mirror77:
What I understand from that article, there will be an app-store, but not allready full of all kinds of applications.
[Ubuntu Touch General] heat361:
The phone will be bundled with core apps, but initially it won't have an app store on release day.
[Ubuntu Touch General] minitruckin97:
literally cannot wait for this to release!
[Ubuntu Touch General] beekay201:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

What?? No Google+? Booo

sent from my Google Galaxy Nexus
[Ubuntu Touch General] sendhiloo7:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

This is first release , so for me it's OK ?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Ubuntu Touch General] mfsr98:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

This ain't Google software.

---------- Post added at 01:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:59 PM ----------

I do bet you can download it later when the market is avaiable.
[Ubuntu Touch General] RAD7:
That phone is a Motorola Atrix 2 where canonical chief demonstrated GB ver of the phone docking it via hdmi making use of it's webtop functionality. Sadly Moto killed the lapdock & webtop but proud to be a Moto Atrix 2 phone owner, the pioneer of Ubuntu on Android..this was last year feb 2012 when the demo was made..The bootloader of the phone remains locked till date despite massive efforts over a year plus by top notch developers on the device forum.
[Ubuntu Touch General] jadephyre:
Ubuntu Mobile is Android, minus DalvikVM, to put it into a broad spectrum.
[Ubuntu Touch General] crixley:
people actually use google+?? lol
[Ubuntu Touch General] tallnerd1985:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Not as simple as that but its actually both run on top of Linux. Android is a assortment of APIs and Utilities including DalvikVJM whereas Ubuntu is Wayland display server with its own set of APIs and Utilities both using a Linux kernel.
[Ubuntu Touch General] Jimlarck:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

iOS is Android minus all the features, to put it into a broad spectrum.
[Ubuntu Touch General] insane08:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Lol surprisingly yes. I actually prefer it over Facebook but none of my friends actually use it. I just follow Tech sites on g+ now using it as a reader interacting with the small amount if people there.

Be cool to see it but pretty sure that's towards the bottom of their list for going social right now
[Ubuntu Touch General] InsaneNutter:
Same, this thread title is so misleading too! Every time i see it i think a download has been released.
[Ubuntu Touch General] mfsr98:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

APIs are totally different. You can't install an .APK file on Ubuntu for sure... Even though they are Linux-based there are a lot of differences.
[Ubuntu Touch General] slayr76:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

Canonical just release it already, I hate it when they say its coming months before it actually does.
[Ubuntu Touch General] TingTingin:
Re: Canonical releases Ubuntu Mobile

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