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[Nexus 10 General] Ted C.:
"Bewildered".... I experienced that same feeling as I read through this forum prior to my purchase of the Nexus 10. Other than a small amount of light bleed that doesn't impact my user experience and a boot loop after root, I feel like I've been blessed to not have all the multitudes of issues/problems identified by others with this tablet!
[Nexus 10 General] slackerzack:
Count me in the happy pool. I think people are constantly looking for "beyond perfect" which is unattainable, I look at little flaws or foibles as a reason to upgrade in a year or so. I also have too much going on in my life to analyize every nanometer of a tablet screen for lightbleed or test 5ghz wireless to see if I get the exact connection speed I'm supposed to. Its a tablet, its cheaper and better than anything else our there at its price point...it works.. the end!
[Nexus 10 General] bobcat255:
Thank you

Well, I have a similar resume to yours, so although I'm new to this site, I'm well familiar with technology. However, I bought this tablet, not because I want to tinker, but rather a consumption device (largely for the wife - though the multiuser support sold me on buying this tablet).

As such, it may be that our expectations are different. I expect an Android equivalent of the iPad. Meaning I want a stable and well running/supported platform, but with good Google integration and without a walled garden.

Please let me know which issues you can't recreate and I'll post the instructions on how to do it.

Thanks for your response.
[Nexus 10 General] atg284:
Yeah so people with dust under the screen, bad light bleed at 0% back light, dim band running down entire edge, dead pixels, stuck pixels, screen glitches, warped back panel, uneven colors, constant reboots, CPU throttling, wifi dropping, and/or headphone buzzing should just deal with it because, after all, you only spent $500 for a tablet.

Get real dude.
[Nexus 10 General] Ted C.:
Yep, "deal with it" and you'll be much happier. Nearly all my better solutions to "deal with it" with an expectation of a better outcome include exchanges, refunds, repairs, or selling at a loss and moving on to another manufacturers product. Just saying...
[Nexus 10 General] drcujo:
I have a similar experience to the person you replied to with my tablet. I haven't used multiuser at it seems very poorly implemented.

I did have a few reboots but I don't remember seeing any in a while. Seems that a few of them were just app specific when the tablet was just released.

Although maybe not a fair comparison, I find my n10 much more stable then our 1G iPad. iPad does this thing where it constantly likes to take me back to the homescreen like nothing ever happened after a problem with an app.
[Nexus 10 General] Maconi:
Don't bother replying to him. He's been thread crapping/trolling the backlight bleed thread telling us to stop complaining and just enjoy the tablet, as if that wasn't what that thread was for. :eek:

I'm on my third Nexus 10 with stuck pixels. I'm not going to "deal with" little white dots on my screen with I haven't owned a single other display with that issue, tablet or otherwise.
[Nexus 10 General] sellingfear:
Love my Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] brGabriel:
+1
[Nexus 10 General] EvoYas:
Been using this tablet non stop for three days, and by non stop I mean, no laptops no desktops and my note 2 only for phonr calls and texting. I also streamed a 8 hour Cricket game on it live last night, it froze once between it but other than played smoothly. This morning when I woke up, the tablet was fully charged but when I unlocked the screen it felt the need to reboot it self. Few hours later, Netflix wouldnt load all the way, it kept crashing so rebooted the tablet and everything has been running fine since than.

I have no lightbleeds, so thats good, and I am seriously hoping that all the minor peoblems I had cam be fixed via software upadates, because all in all this is such a beautiful and fast pie e of hardware, I wanna keep it so bad.
[Nexus 10 General] iheotp:
I love this tablet. I have no light bleed and really no issues other than chrome freezing. I use Firefox instead, easy fix. I couldn't be happier with this thing. The battery life is stupid good. I can go days without charging it with a decent amount of use.
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
Nvidia CEO dude just dissed the N10 in his CES keynote. Showed Teg4 (quad A15) being twice as fast as N10 at web page load. He did put up a slide showing Teg4 is 3.5x as fast as N7, but N10 was the goat. Looks like somebody isn't happy about being left out of a Nex toy.

One can quibble about perf of the Teg2 and Teg3, but one thing was clear was that Nvid did a great job of pushing the parts into the mainstream. Teg2 was the mainstay of first-gen Android tabs in 2011, and Teg3 was most popular tablet SoC for 2012. If same trend holds true for Teg4, N10 may have the dubious distinction of being the only dual-A15 tab in a quad-A15 world for 2013. Such is the life of the early adopter. We'll see how well Huang dude can hawk his wares. Has a good track record so far.

BTW, dude showed some other cool stuff, like Nvidia Shield which is a game controller w/ 5" flip-up screen, sort of like a Wii U controller but better (Nintendo can't be too happy right now.) Works w/ Android games from Play Store and PC games from Steam. HDMI/micro-SD/USB connectivity. Apparently Nvid will be is selling this under its own brand. Haven't got all the low-down, but it's supposed to be tied into the newly-introduced Nvid Grid cloud deal, and enabled by wireless streaming. Am wondering if it will be Miracast or a 60GHz tech. This may give Android gaming a big boost, assuming it's priced correctly.

Edit: Looks like it'll be Miracast. One of the reqs is a dual-band router, and it's too much of a coincidence that Mira just got supported in 4.2.
[Nexus 10 General] bobcat255:
Do they have a tablet out already or is this just a chip in their lab/work in progress? A quad A15 will of course be much faster than a dual A15 and this tablet has been out for almost 2-months already. It's a fact of life that specs will get better as times goes on - especially in the mobile world where it seems like we get new releases every few months.
[Nexus 10 General] dajogejr:
Still loving this tablet. I'm a lucky one, no light bleeds, dust under the screen, dead pixels, etc.

The only issue I had was Chrome freezing up and being dreadfully slow.

I rooted my device and put a ROM on for that reason alone, to be able to run the AOSP browser.

I've been going between Boat, Firefox, Dolphin and the AOSP browser.

If Google can get the 4.2.1 location/chrome bug worked out and fix the speed in chrome, it'd be a 10 for me...
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
>Do they have a tablet out already or is this just a chip in their lab/work in progress?

Teg4 was said to have been sampled late last year. Vizio has demo'ed its 10" tab at CES. Teg4, 2560x1600 res, stock 4.2. Other vendors will likely follow suit. Unknown availability and price, but Viz sez 4.2 will be in, so safe to assume we'll see it out before I/O in late summer, where presumably we'll be graced with 5.0. N10 will have a few more months of bragging rights.

SoC stuff aside, I think the exciting tech for 2013 will be wireless connectivity, of which Miracast is the baseline. At CES, there are already Miracast dongles being hawked for phones. As said, Nvid Shield will use it to stream PC games to the TV. Hopefully we'll get faster 60GHz tech as well.

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[Nexus 10 General] bobcat255:
Just watched the video and this Vizio tablet will be available in the second half of 2013 - so still pretty far out.

Let's get back to nVidia's Tegra4 marketing. In case anyone wants to see the video, it's here:

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Despite their reference Tegra 4 having a quad-core versus an already existing dual-core Exynos 5... they STILL had to be running the AOSP browser to get their numbers. Everyone knows how slow Chrome is that's running on the Nexus 10, so this is rather shady of nVidia. Not to mention a few other unknowns in their testing.

Bottom line is that this is a marketing video and not a true benchmark and in the end, I would hope that a future quad-core CPU using the same architecture as an existing dual-core would do better. But based on some of the shadiness going on in the video, it doesn't look like it'll do 2x better.

Lastly, I've said it before and I can't stress this enough. If you're buying a tablet 6-months from now, the market will look different than it does today. Today the N10 is the best Android tablet out there. Guess what? Once the Tegra 4 tablets come out only a few months away will be the next wave of improvements.

That is all :)

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Oh sorry, one thing I forgot to mention, I was actually happy to hear that Vizio won't be doing anything to "improve" upon Android. It's always been better stock and these companies can spend less time on useless internal software development and pump out products and updates that much faster. Win-win for consumers IMO :good:

P.S. This waiting 5-minutes to post or edit a post is annoying...
[Nexus 10 General] Smiling Cat:
Really like mine. Does exactly what I bought it for and more.

I bought my Nexus 10 16GB mainly as a web browser, document reader, and to eventually get around to develop for the Andoird platform. Biggest thing for me was the high DPI value that makes it very nice for reading. Also the screen aspect ratio is perfect for reading the normal layout of blogs while in portrait. After I finally had to get a new IPod I got the 4th gen touch, I really loved the high DPI screen, So a display with nearly the same DPI on the much larger screen had me sold. The Ipod Touch is also my main on the go media player with 64GB so I didn't bother getting the 32GB Nexus.

Also the games and emulators along with getting my Sixaxis,"that has sat around forever without use" paired up wireless I have plenty of options to kill time. All the holiday sales also helped loading it up with games. The battery has no trouble providing me power to game for much longer that I would have thought.

The curved edges, rubberized backing, and light weight make it nice to hold in one hand without strain. Haven't really looked for a case since I got it because it really feels like it doesn't need one. Just wrap it in a small towel if I need to throw it in a bag. Converse my IPod Touch has been in an Otterbox defender since the day got it.

Luckily haven't had any light bleed, wifi, or stability issues.
[Nexus 10 General] strafholm:
I got my N10 late last week and really like it. Played with it most of the weekend and have not had any reboots, locking up or any freezing with the OS or chrome. My screen is fine also, no dead pixels or color problems. I can see a little light bleed in the lower right corner but only if I max the brightness (which I don't) and look at it in the dark, so as far as I'm concerned that's not an issue if I have to create a situation I don't use my device in. I think my WiFi drops every once in a while but only when my N10 is sleeping and if I'm charging it that seems to cause the charging to either stop or slow down. This is my first tablet so I don't really have anything to compare it to other than playing with a friends Xoom a little but overall I'm very happy with this tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] Bru87tr:
Not sure what those benchmarks are suppose to prove, but I hardly feel like I am waiting long for a webpage to load when browsing. This kind of test is really dumb and as mentioned, not a fair fight!

I originally got my tablet for email, web browsing and some casual games. I use to be a hard core gamer back in the day and never thought I would get back into it. After reading about some of the games (some I played a long time ago) like NFS, GTA, NOVA 3, COD, Shadowgun Deadzone I am completely an addict again!

As I got older I got tired of sitting in front of my desktop, reclining and gaming is great!!! :)

I need some practice though as some of these people are what I use to be back in the day. I did ok at times though. :) I still doubt I will be gaming after work till 6AM nightly and still go to work though. :)

Still, I am using my table for way more than I ever thought and I have been wanting a tablet for a long time but none had exactly what I wanted. The N10 comes the closest and glad I made the jump. Still, that Vizio looks cool but I doubt they will get updates as quick as we will, when is the next one anyway ? :)

The only problem I had was I waited two weeks before I did any updates and didn't get one reboot or crash, as soon as I updated I got one in a half hour and one the next day. I have not had one since (not sure how long but long before xmas) and I use Chrome all the time. I have been waiting for it to hiccup so I can move on to one of the other browsers I installed but Chrome has been no problem at all for me.
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
>Today the N10 is the best Android tablet out there.

This being the N10 appreciation thread, I won't quibble on this or any of the other stuff. I'll only say that there's more than one meaning to "best."

On tech blogs and forums like here, "best" == "best hardware spec," which N10 qualifies for. But software matters more than hardware specs, and iOS app library is still king. For there to be more apps, Android tabs have to sell much better.

In that respect, neither N10 nor Teg4 is "best," because they won't increase Android market share. N10 isn't outselling the iPad, and if past trends hold, neither will Teg4. iPad has locked up the high end, and KF/N7 has shown that Android's best play is with low pricing.

Then, the "best" tablet I've seen coming out of CES thus far is the Polaroid M7, a 7" tablet w/ 1280x800 IPS display, 8GB, micro-SD, at $129. Tablet for tablet, M7 is better than N10, because at $129, it has more chance to land a sale than N10. It has more chance to increase Android market share, and thereby get Android more/better apps.

So as the geek in all of us go ga-ga over the nifty new (high-end) toys, I'm cheering on the cheapies, the white-boxes, the Chinese imports. The operative phrase is "good enough." Jelly Belly is now good enough, and the hardware will be, too. These'll be Android's ace, not just against iPads, but also against Windows tablets/hybrids in the coming days.
[Nexus 10 General] pj_rage:
I'm absolutely enamored with mine. I guess I'm a noob but I don't even think I know what light bleed is? I feel like I've heard of it for other devices where maybe its light coming through the outer edges of the screen where it meets the case? I'm afraid to even google it because I'm so happy with it, I don't need to go looking for problems that I haven't even noticed yet. Sometimes I do that and get all wrapped in stuff that otherwise wouldn't have bothered me or I'd never have noticed, so I'll take this opportunity to prevent that for once lol.

It is extremely fast and the display is un-freaking-believable. It continues to blow me away. I haven't seen everything out there, but I haven't seen anything else come close to it yet. I also really like the stereo sound more than I thought I would, which IMO really makes games, music, youtube, etc, sound much better than mono. Honestly didn't realize how much I was missing in that regard. I thought the speakers would be a little louder, but at the same time, I haven't had a situation yet where I said "I wish these were just a little louder". Some content is blaring loud -- so much so that you have to turn it down, while some content is, I guess, recorded at a lower volume and needs the volume maxed out (for my taste). I kind of wish there was a global normalizer you could turn on for such content on youtube, that would essentially amplify everything to be at that "too loud" level, so that I have adjustment both up and down from my normal taste, to accomodate for any situation. Seems like this would/should/could be possible with some kind of DSP on the global audio output?

I'm running craig's ROM and haven't had any issues to speak of. It has performed really well overall so far and has been stable. I am not OC or UV or anything, just stock. I think in 2 weeks I've had one sleep of death. Not sure if it was related to the ROM or just the device itself. I was only stock for a few hours of use.

On the build quality, I have mine in a case so I guess I don't notice any issues in particular, but given what I read before buying it (that it was plasticy, etc), I actually thought it was built pretty solidly. I really could care less if the device has an aluminum unibody frame or all plastic. Doesn't really matter to me. What matters more in terms of build quality to me is how does its build quality translate into the relevant performance specs -- aka the durability, size, weight, comfort in my hands, etc, and in my opinion and estimation this unit is great in all those regards. And whether you have an ipad, n10, or other tablet, if you decide to use a case, they all start to feel more similar to each other in terms of size, durability, comfort. And after having a case on it, I personally couldn't go back, since it does not have a built in kickstand, and I use the case's built in stand nearly every time I use the device (prop up on bed or nightstand to watch some slingbox, netflix, twitch.tv, or prop up on my chest while laying down to browse the web, read news, etc).

All in all I'm very very happy with it and would recommend it to anyone.
[Nexus 10 General] Stanerefor:
After a good long wait, I finally got my Nexus 10 32 GB Wi-Fi tablet day before yesterday. Great display spec says 2560 x 1600 pixels. If your primary use is to watch video, pics and other HD content, Nexus 10 is for you. It also has an HDMI out (micro) to connect to external display or projector which I believe must be made standard for all tablets. It has two cameras, the main rear auto-focus camera with flash and the front facing 1.9 MP camera. Filters allows you to transform the pics to something creative. I think Nexus 10 is a great device and gives you good value money.
[Nexus 10 General] zourn:
I love my N10.

It probably has a little light bleed, but not enough for me to notice without looking for it.

It does get rather warm from time to time, causing it to throttle and lag, setting the max freq down to 1300 doesn't affect performance to me and greatly reduces the thermal throttling occurences.

Occasionally when I pick it up for the first time in a few days, it won't unlock/turn on like normal. Hold power/vol+/vol- till it vibes, then hit power, 15 seconds of inconvenience.

Screen colors look fine to me, but I am a philistine.
[Nexus 10 General] Blown 89:
I love mine. I've had a few freezes and reboots and NFS has a few frame drops. Everything else has worked flawlessly to the point of putting every other tablet I've tried to shame. I'm happy with it. I just wish it had more accessories. A pogo charging dock, official case, and cable is the only thing missing.
[Nexus 10 General] igorrj:
I just bought the N10 32GB at Sams Club in Houston (where i'm spending my vacation from Brazil).

In fact, i gave it to my wife, like a gift because she has a doubt between N10 and surface..

So, yesterday i did a lot of test about the light bleed and wifi. Unfortunately, i saw fews light bleed but it less than i saw on the threat about this. I used it in a dark room and i wasn't able to see the problem in a normal use. Once i saw the wifi dropped, but i believed that will be fix by software upgrade. I will keep doing the tests and if in the final weren't good, i will ask for a full refund.
[Nexus 10 General] taylorjes:
I've only had my N10 fit a weekend but I can honestly say this is the most useful tool I've purchased. My N10 is primarily for my job and between Evernote and Google Drive I've gotten most of my workload mobile and I'm hoping to developed some of my homebrew office apps in android. My only complaint would be the lack of 10" optimized apps, but this is the first real 10" tablet for android so it will take time.

taylorjes
[Nexus 10 General] calyco:
Using my nexus 10 for 3 days and really liking it so far. Minor light bleed on lower left corner and chrome crashed twice but its minor inconveniences for such a nice tablet. I've used and really liked the iPad but hate the software, very happy that I got nexus 10 with such a nice screen, rubber back and overall ergo design of it. Loving the keyboard too, I surprised myself how fast I can type on it. The screen is just wow, looking at the sample magazines Google included is very impressive. Definitely will follow the nexus cycle in the future, just disappointed I didn't also get the nexus 4 when I had the chance!
[Nexus 10 General] larryinlc:
I'm new here, but I've been through several tablets in my time. Before the Nexus 10, I went through two Ipad 3's. Both were returned due to quality control problems. Both had dust specks under the glass that annoyed me to no end. Shouldn't happen on a high end tablet. On to a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9. Build quality was flawless and the screen was perfect. I like a perfect screen. Now to the Nexus 10. I really like this tablet. I was dreading the under glass dust particles that so annoyed me with Apple. Nothing. Perfect! I'm starting to believe that Samsung has a better eye when it comes to build. I do have a slight amount of light bleed, but it does not bother me like crud under the glass would and 99% of the time it can't be seen. The screen is beautiful to look at and nothing there to distract. Samsung really built a nice piece for Google.

I should add that before the above mentioned tablets, I had two HP Touchpads and one Blackberry Playbook.

Larry
[Nexus 10 General] NickTheMajin:
I was quite angry with the damn near constant reboots the tablet experienced for weeks. 3+ per day was absolutely unacceptable. Luckily that was just a software issue that was fixed with flashing a rom. Now I am very much pleased with it aside from a few cases. The tablet does drop frames when scrolling through the home screen. Although slight, its there for me. It's also laggy when playing many games, but I don't really tablet game so I don't care.

My one big irk is that it is completely unsupported when it comes to official accessories. The tablet has a remove able back plate and so far there is not a single case that takes advantage of it.
[Nexus 10 General] BigJArm:
I love mine
[Nexus 10 General] bkmaracas:
I love my (dads) n10. A bit too much.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 10 General] kauka187:
Love it
[Nexus 10 General] devilcaeser2010:
all those light bleed complainers are probably OCD induced people , In darkness Why the hell would you want to turn up the brightness to 100% , the lightbleed is harldy visible at 50% ,

Apart from that issue , screen and sound is amazing too amazing , I had given up my laptop in favour of the nexus 10 . and yes the feel of the device is too gooooooD