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[Nexus 10 General] unboostedzc:
Not to jump on the bandwagon, but only part of that I can agree with is the lack of external store.

Especially when comparing to Asus; the company that released the Infinity mere months after the slew of issues that plagued their newly released Transformer Prime TF201. Of anyone, Best Buy did the best to their customers by offering to exchange their <2mo old top of the line table with terrible wifi performance, little to no GPS functionality whatsoever (until the later released GPS Extension Kit), complete bluetooth dropout when streaming, an factory unlock program that doesn't unlock about half the Primes it's tried on for some reason, a one-two month wait time on sending it back to Asus for a RMA on the above issues. No, I didn't go through any of that whatsoever when I had my Prime over the course of 3 months.

In response to Gary; he, along with Tien, were brought on to handle the bad press arising from their tablet issues. I dealt with Tien in order to get my Prime RMA'd. For some reason his email wouldn't accept or send anything to my g-mail account, so we used the PM on xda to communicate. At best I would get responses in a few days, other times couple of weeks.

After all that, I was still super stoked to get my Asus Infinity after my Prime sold. Then I realized that in order to get a tablet that isn't laggy, relentlessly stuttering and constantly having hangups, I would have to void my warranty whatsoever, with no way back. And in the off chance the (Asus supplied) unlock tool didn't work, I would have to deal with un-bricking it to try again. Go try to play with one in Best Buy and LMK how long it takes for you to hate it. You can't type "amazon.com" in the browser open page without it lagging.

Don't get me wrong, the Transformer is super nice; it's just riddled with a ****ton of crappy I/O performance issues and lack of warranty from day one. The N10 works with SD cards mounted via OTG cable, so you can use whatever external storage you want (SD Cards, USB HD's, etc); and if anything goes wrong you can relock/unroot and return it for repairs. I'm running ParanoidAndroid+KTManta kernal, but even on the stock AOSP setup everything just works.

Also, most if not all reviews of two point toward the Nexus.

http://www.android.gs/google-nexus-...ote-10-1-vs-asus-transformer-infinity-tf700t/

http://sortable.com/tablets/Google-Nexus-10-vs-Asus-Transformer-Infinity
[Nexus 10 General] NeoMagus:
The exchanges they were doing was all under the table according to their return policy, it was not something Best Buy officially endorsed. That was how I got my 700, I exchanged the 201 for it there.
[Nexus 10 General] kakatua20:
N10 with optimized apps has awesone performance.

With old apps not optimized like Adobe Reader it has very bad performance.

We need more apps ported to android 4.2 and nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] blackhand1001:
Enable force GPU rendering in developer options. Google should enable this by default. Its stupid that they don't.
[Nexus 10 General] pg_ice:
what apps ?

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why?

if you state something explain the difference and why someone would use your setting over default.

to many crap setting and other **** only slows the N10 down,and you are soon back to worse performance that you had from start.

keep the **** down and your not sailing away thats my advise :)
[Nexus 10 General] blackhand1001:
GPU rendering is used in all the stock apps. Its not enabled in a lot of third party apps but enabling it makes them as smooth as the stock apps. The GPU is much faster at rendering then the CPU is and using the GPU to render frees up the CPU to handle logic and calculations. It makes a huge difference in the xda app, adobe reader, es file manager, and thousands of other apps. Just try enabling it. You'll see the difference immediately. It has no effect on the stock apps like the launcher, browser, email, settings, and any other stock app or google app as those have GPU rendering enabled by default anyway. Enabling force 2d rendering has always been a recommended tweak since honeycomb. Google really needs to make this default in the next update. In adobe reader alone it makes the fps go from like 8-10 to 60fps. I haven't found any apps that have issues with it enabled and I have been using this setting on my galaxy nexus for over a year.

Heres a video I just made. First I have gpu rendering enabled. Then disabled. Then enabled again.

http://youtu.be/zzKZeyKeGUE
[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
I bought and used a TF700T for close to two months. I loved the look and overall construction. Unlike so many people on the Infinity forums I never had problems with the screen lifting, but I did find the frequent freezes and lags really annoying, and I wasn't willing to irrevocably void my warranty to flash a kernel and ROM that would make it run as it should have out of the box.

As nice and pretty as the Infinity is, I found myself babying it because I realized how easy it would be to scratch and dent the pretty metal case. When holding the tablet with one hand, I noticed the somewhat sharp edge between the glass and metal digging into the underside of my thumb making it uncomfortable to hold for any length of time.

The keyboard / dock is a nice, but pricey, accessory... It's nice to have the extra SD slot, battery and USB socket. But it doubled the weight of the device, and I never needed the extra battery during a single days use.

After two months I found that all the little negatives resulted in me simply not bothering to use the Infinity. I returned it, and picked up a Nexus 10. Battery life has been fine, especially when I turned of automatic background sync for Currents.

I don't download and store loads of movies on my tablet, and I make liberal use of Dropbox and Google docs, so 32gb is turning out to be just fine. I also keep a short OTG cable and microSD reader handy, so expansion space is readily available.

In standby / sleep the N10 will last for days...and I get several hours of active use / screen on time when I'm actively using the device. Using this for business does not imply that it's supposed to replace a plugged in PC or terminal for a full days use. Business use for me is being able to go on a one or two day trip with a tablet instead of a laptop, being able to bring the tablet to a meeting and having it instantly available instead of waiting for a laptop to boot up, being able to bring it to a client discussion and walk them through a PowerPoint deck, being able to handle email, Skype, messaging and more while mobile, especially when using my phone as a WiFi hotspot. The Nexus 10 has proven itself superb as a business accessory, and is more responsive, more comfortable to use and less fragile than the Infinity for this purpose.

Although I've been a technologist for many years and I've unlocked, rooted and reflashed other devices many, many times, perusing the Infinity forums will give you a sense of how easy it can be to brick that device, while it is virtually impossible to do so with the Nexus 10 to the point where you cannot simply restore it to its original state, and I see this as an enormous advantage for the Nexus 10 over the Infinity.

In the end....I had an Infinity and keyboard dock, and lost interest in using it within a few weeks. In contrast, I find myself carrying the Nexus 10 everywhere and using it constantly. Very glad I made the switch.

beamed from my Nexus 10, far, far away...
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
But you have to admit that the picture you're painting is completely one-sided, non-objective, and glosses over all the well known issues all of Asus' tablets suffer.

You can get great performance out of a TF700 by:

- Unlocking it and voiding your warranty including coverage for h/w and QC defects the device suffers from in all too large a number.

- Buying a class 10 Micro SD card so you can use data2SD to bypass the painfully slow NAND solution that Asus uses.

- Turning off fsync to speed up SQLite reads and writes and placing all your app databases at risk of coruption should the device or an app experience a FC.

- Using browser2RAM to bypass storage by creating a volitile cache in RAM for the browser to store content. With only 1GB of RAM a large browser cache pretty much makes multitasking useless.

So assuming someone got a decently built TF700, they'd still be left without 5GHz Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi channel bonding, BT3.0 vs. 4.0, no Glonass support for location services, 1GB vs. 2GB of RAM and a CPU/GPU that's at the end of its useful life. They'd also have no warranty and since other options have been introduced the TF700 forum has turned in to a ghost town which means development support will likely wain. Scott Rossler who saved the TF700 with cleanROM has long since abandoned it and it's now being supported by users themselves.

So while the N10 has some issues it's at the beginning of its lifecycle and quite a few are likely to be addressed; by Google themselves no less. The TF700 is based on a rehash of a year-old design (TF201) using a fifteen month old SoC (Teg3). Unless someone desperately needs a keyboard the choice seems pretty clear as to which "imperfect" tablet is the best long-term investment.
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
First, happy holidays to all here.

In regards to topic, I think it is moot. TF700 is already obsolete in this fast-changing tablet market, and buying one at this moment is probably not the wisest of choice. It should be on clearance some time after the new year.

Those who want an integrated KB dock probably want productivity uses. Then, Win8 Clover-based tabs are arguably the better choice, given the large body of (legacy) productivity software for it. Availability should be better in spring, and pricing should come down to the $400-500 range.

In regards to iPad vs the competition, here's a graph showing percentage of page views from one ad network. This is a snapshot from Dec 8 to 14, and is for US & Canada (Android would be higher in EU). Should be interesting to revisit once post-Xmas data is available. I don't expect substantial changes. If anything, iPad dominance should increase given Mini's popularity.

Disregarding iPad's dominance, KF is top dog for Android, with Samsung Galaxy a runner-up. Despite N7's apparent popularity, Nexus is still a bit player, and is best categorized as "reference devices" rather than for the mass market.

My takeaway is the hope that OEMs will take inspiration from N7 and S.Galaxy to build more palatable Android tabs, as Nexus is not the platform savior we'd all like it to be. Above all, I hope Google will fix the "OS update" situation for 3rd-party products. That has always been the Achilles' heel for Android.

http://insights.chitika.com/2012/december-tablet-update/
[Nexus 10 General] blackhand1001:
I've read many papers that actually say the nexus 7 was the most popular tablet this Christmas season.
[Nexus 10 General] pierrekid:
Yea same here lol dont know where your getting your facts from
[Nexus 10 General] bioorganic:
This is a silly conversation. You buy an android tablet for the flexibility. If you don't care about custom Roms/kernels etc, buy the iPad. I own several. The app selection is far superior. Graphics are superior (especially for the 4th gen iPad), and every Dev optimizes for iPads. If you want custom Roms, WebDAV servers (and damn near every other option you can imagine) and all the flexibility that android provides, get the N10. It's an apples to oranges comparison. I have all the iPads and I use the N10. My parents have an iPad, due to my recommendation. If it's not already obvious to you that you want android, you should probably stick with iOS.
[Nexus 10 General] jellydroid13:
Thanks that helped a lot in Adobe Reader.
[Nexus 10 General] waltthizzney:
Does GPU rendering hurt battery life anymore than before?
[Nexus 10 General] blackhand1001:
I don't believe it does. Its used in the stock apps regardless of settings.
[Nexus 10 General] kittyslasher:
Don't buy it from walmart or staples if you get the nexus 10 trust me. Go read my topic about the horrible customer support and you will see why, only get a nexus 10 if you can buy it from google them selves
[Nexus 10 General] Dagrog:
My wife has the TF201 and I have the N10. After dealing with the ___ from the 201, I'd NEVER buy another ASUS tablet which I guess also leaves out the N7. Right out the box the TF WIFI wouldn't work and required a hard boot. The GPS is a joke and yes they sent the clip on module but you can't charge and use it at the same time. It's tethered to a phone on long trips so GPS was important. The back around August the camera broke (fuzzy green screen) which has been tied to bad connections inside the unit. She uses the tablet a lot and doesn't use the camera so we didn't RMA it. So why would I sign up for another series of battles with another tablet from ASUS?

Yes the battery on the TF lasts longer then the N10 and the N10 doesn't have a slot for added storage. If you're at work I'm sure you can find power somewhere to charge the tablet and the same for @ school. If you're going to carry the tablet & keyboard (ASUS) then just go a bit bigger and use a laptop. 8 hour battery, no space problems and a real size keyboard. For extra storage schools and work have campus wide WIFI, if the memory is cramping you get space on a cloud.
[Nexus 10 General] dale_cooper:
Interesting thread...

I'm actually returning the infinity pad I bought from amazon. I also had a note 10.1 which I just sold (I wnated the infinity because of the keyboard which IS a GREAT feature for a tablet... at least for me it improves the functionality immensely).

However, the infinity definitely had annoying lag, especially while I was downloading files from newsgroups or unrarring things. The note on the otherhand is deceptive in that it has homescreen lag but it never lagged while doing tasks. It's a shame the note doesn't have a better screen because that thing is a beast.

So here I am thinking about the Nexus 10. I've decided I love my nexus 4 - its nearly a perfect device for me, it just flat out works and works well; and the hardware is great. I love jellybean. Seems like the 10 is the same kind of fluid experience. On the flip side I went and bought an Acer w510 from microcenter and am waiting to get the keyboard dock. It runs an atom processor with full windows 8 - very very interesting device so far for $399. Being able to install x86 apps is incredible. Doesn't seem to lag very much but its graphics performance is just o-k, definitely worse than the n10.

That said I love how snappy android is I'm really really thinking about the n10 if I can find one in stock.
[Nexus 10 General] jobrown22:
All of us here are heavy android users so a lot of us will recommend either the N10 or the tf700. I never owned the tf700 so I can't tell you which is better but a lot of people have compared the two already. Furthermore, as other people also said, it comes down to preference when choosing android vs iOS. The iPad is incredible, it has a dedicated tablet app market section with a crap load of optimized tablet apps, much more than android. App devs also optimize their apps for the iPad before they even think about android, usually. The os is simple but very solid, I haven't heard anyone complaining about their iPads freezing or stuterring, it just works no matter what you throw at it. The new iPad also has a better GPU and will give you a better experience while gaming and although the n10 has a better screen resolution than theiPad, it's not really noticeable because both screens are incredible and crisp. And i think the n10 and the ipad both have 5mp rear cameras, the ipad will produce much more vibrant pictures and videos, if that matters to you. So the iPad should be a strong contender in your decision.

That being said, god I LOVE my n10 haha. I love how customizable my tablet is because of android. I was not limited to working with what Google gave me, I chose a custom ROM that I liked, and a kernel that boosted its performance. (Apple is a lot more self centered in that sense unless you go and jailbreak it which I'm sure is going to be much harder and will definitely take you more than the 10-15 mins its took me to root and unlock my n10) Even stock, android has a lot more eye candy and convenience with the use of widgets. The aspect ratio on the n10 (16:9) is much better, in my opinion, than on the iPad (4:3?) for watching movies and shows. and in the gingerbread days I painfully would have to admit that iOS was far more responsive and stable but with jelly bean, everything is so much snappier and stable(ish) .

So go to your best buy, try out each one, see which one you prefer.
[Nexus 10 General] Zeblade:
HAHA this is great. OP... where are you posting? These guys would be morons saying.. OMG the Asus is far better then my N10! To tell someone else what they should buy because of something you like, think is better... rich...

We all have google or the like. We read Asus with problems and wow guess what Nexus 7 and 10 with almost same kind of problems. We then find people with ASUS and NEXUS with ...yep no problems at all. And we all know anyone with problems its never hardware but USER..pffft jk

Like going to a Ipad forum and asking whats better Nexus or Ipad.

Me.. I make sure where I buy it I can return it. Iike the ipad, nexus and yep Asus. The Nexus is awesome has less features that I would like. Again me.. I could care less what someone says about their product. Their not me.. they run different apps and games and what not. A review is there to give you an idea of what you can expect. Then going go a site and asking what you should get... huh? Some people are really good at selling and will make their tablet seem like the all be all of tablets. And for THEM it is.

So but one and if you don't like it send it back.
[Nexus 10 General] jtc276:
I think I can give a bit of insight into your Nexus vs iPad predicament because I've used both of them within the last twenty four hours. I'd first like to say that I'm an Android enthusiast. I currently have both a Nexus 4 and 7 which I love. I wouldn't pick a different phone or 7 inch tablet. So I thought that had to be the same with the Nexus 10...well, it wasn't.

Nexus 10:

Pros: I really, really, really loved the screen on the 10. It was by far my favorite thing about it. I was also impressed by the design and the speaker placement which allows the sound to be directed right at you. And Android 4.2 is awesome, of course.

Cons: The very first thing I noticed when powering on the Nexus 10 was the light bleed. It wasn't horrible. It didn't mess up the screen. But it was there. One thing I can't stand is when I drop a premium on a device and it isn't perfect. I can understand if it was a first batch device, but this tablet started selling six weeks ago. Problems like these should be worked out by now. I also noticed that the light on the screen seemed to be very uneven when showing something white. One other thing I was experiencing was lag. Everywhere. Neither my Nexus 4 or 7 lag, so I found this strange. Today I returned it to Walmart and traded for another. Same exact problems. So after watching a few comparison videos and putting my pride behind me, I decided to take my Nexus 10 back and trade it for a 16gb iPad 4.

iPad 4:

Pros: This device is fast. I mean fast. iOS might look boring, but I can't get over how fast it is. The screen is equal to that of the Nexus 10's and the color saturation might be just a bit better. The speaker is loud and clear, making it just as good as the one on the Nexus 10 despite being on the back of the device. The apps are much better. The accessories selection is endless. iMessage is pretty cool. All of the Google apps I want are available, including a third party Google Music app that works like a charm. And Chrome is silk. I mean silk. I like the design just a bit better than the 10's. There isn't any back light bleed. The device is perfect. I got what I paid for in terms of quality.

Cons: I liked the aspect ratio of the Nexus 10 and the form factor just a bit better. I also liked that it had flash on the back camera but I'm going to be honest and say I probably will never use a tablet to take pictures. Android is a better operating system, but it's just not there yet in terms of large scale tablets. I would definitely prefer it if it were as good as iOS on a tablet. A minor gripe I'm having is with the copy and paste functions. They're much better on Android. iOS doesn't allow you to drag a a cursor around to get to the exact are of text you want to be at like Android does.

So there you are. From an Android enthusiast, I think the iPad 4 is the better tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] amdfanTO:
I think you've missed the point of a nexus tablet. Try rooting and loading cm10 then tell me if it lags. Apple is optimized out of the box. The nexus almost never is. I have an ipad and nexus, and I think Google dropped the ball on the display. Google got the hardware right, but the software needs work. I really hope Google updates the display firmware for better color reproduction.
[Nexus 10 General] jtc276:
I forgot to mention that on the first Nexus I had I was running CM. The lag was lessened, but it was still there, I honestly don't think I should have to root a device to make it function the way it should out of the box. I went weeks without rooting my Nexus 4 and 7 and that was so that I could use some features that weren't available without root. Both devices were butter smooth on stock. The Nexus 10 was not.
[Nexus 10 General] dale_cooper:
Really a great post by someone willing to give iOS a try. I still want to try the nexus 10 but part of me is wondering why don't I just break from android for once and try the ipad 3 or 4 - the screen is great, I actually prefer the ipad's dimensions because holding it in portrait mode is much less awkward to me. Also, everytime I play with an ipad the touch response is incredible, and everything feels so fluid. People should really stop hating apple, sure they lock down alot of stuff but you get a polished product out of the box that was well tested and flat out works. Also, the support both apps, and accessories is just great.

The thing I need to figure out is there are things like hdmi, micro sd storage which android devices have and I really need. Need to figure ios work arounds for that stuff.

sidenote - like you I have a nexus 4 which I love. Also have a nexus 7 but I don't use it much so I'll probably be selling it.
[Nexus 10 General] Buck1969:
I was all set to order the Nexus 10, but the endless complaints about build quality and customer service, to say nothing about the lack of availability, have made me take a second look at the iPad 4. I prefer Android as an OS (obviously), but there is something to be said for a device that just works out of the box.
[Nexus 10 General] jtc276:
I completely agree. It's really not an evil thing to use two operating systems, which many Android and Apple fans believe. It actually makes things just a bit more exciting. I wasn't bored with Android by any means, but now that I'm using a device with a different operating system I can see that having it on every single device I own is stupid. It's the same for Apple fans who eventually start buying Android devices just because they're different than what they already have. Mixing it up is a good thing. My new iPad hasn't at all lessened my respect for Android or made me dislike my current Android devices. But it has allowed me to see that iOS is no longer just a glorified app launcher...it's a smooth and fast glorified app launcher that is essentially perfect for tablets...but I would never have it on a phone.
[Nexus 10 General] jimh425:
I think you'll be disappointed if you think iPads are trouble free and just work. On the other hand, a lot of people overlook a lot for apple products.
[Nexus 10 General] jtc276:
I realize that no device is trouble free. But I couldn't even purchase a Nexus 10 without light bleed. And I'm not one to settle for defects in a $500 device.