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[Galaxy Ace S5830i General] Alioda:
I think it is general known that odexing reduces the boot time and from my knowledge also increases the memory space

So if you are going to deodexing your stock rom (it is a long operation) I think you should read this before proceeding

http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-odex-and-deodex-in-android-complete-guide/

Also the how to guide http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1600805
[General Questions and Answers] oz82:
Hallo everyone!

I have a TV dongle GV-16

I cannot post outsind links, but if you searc to this: GV16 android 2.3 512MB 4GB HDMI WIFI

It has a:

InfoTMIC iMAPX210 ARM1136 1.0GHz CPU and android 2.3.3 Rom.

I dont know if andorid 4.x is avalible to this device? Someone managed it to install an android 4 system on this device?

And/ or if it exists an android 4 Rom is is downloadable?

Thanks for help!
[HTC One X+] pshdo:
Simple question really...

In the DEV sections, why is there not one for ATT and one for international devices ??

People will get confused, and devices can proberbly get bricked from that alone, and that is just stupid...

Pleace split ATT from international section....
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
People won't get confused if they take the trouble to read. This has been discussed before.
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
If you would have used the search funtion you would have found an answer. Also this is in the wrong section seeing as it is a question.
[HTC One X+] KentuckyHouse:
I'm not really sure how anyone can defend the lack of separation in this forum. And the easy (and silly) way out is to simply say "read".

Everyone was outraged when they combined the S3 forums and after a couple of weeks of people complaining, they finally started (correctly) separating them. They need to do the same with this device's forum.
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
well if people can READ then they won't come into issues
[HTC One X+] pshdo:
Take it as you want...

It WAS only ment as a friendly heads up...

You are offcourse right that people can just read the header, provided that headers or at least the OP say it all, consequently at all threads...

But then again...

In the heat of the moment, I do understand if people can grab files from the wrong thread... And end up with a bricked device...

You actually also ask people to know that ATT and Telus is not just names of some odd features, and that it in fact carriers using different hardware, from the other site of the world...

Carriers that some people proberbly have never even heard about before...

And the other way arround, you need to get ATT and Telus users to understand that they can only use those files/roms, and that they can't use "international" and often unmarked roms...

- you need to make them to understand that "international" is not that international after all...

Oh well, I am just lucky it is not my decision, and also not me that get the blame WHEN someone grab the wrong file at some point...

An other positive we can get from splitting the dev section, is that it would be a lot less work to keep up with the development on the device that YOU own...

Hey, a thought...

WHY on earth have the admins made new section for the hox+ device at all...

There is actually not that much more different hardware from hox to the hox+, than there is from hox+att to hox+int...

Why at all have the xda-forums split into different manufacturer sections and again devided into different handsets...

People can "just read the header", can't they now ? ;)

At last:

IF a wrong rom was only resulting in a silly language, funny colours on the screen, or perhaps a dead radio, and it was fixed easy just by flashing the right file, then I wouldn't care at all...!!

BUT this fault CAN actually brick people's device's, and that is why we should help people as much as possible, and split the ATT/TELUS from the International section...

Happy new year...
[HTC One X+] ShotSkydiver:
Another thing, I know there is a processor difference as well but why are the international/ATT HOX forums split but ours aren't?
[HTC One X+] Luckyfinch:
le sigh

Seriously people, your answer is, "JUST READ!" They should be separate in order to avoid confusion from the beginning. A lot of users would avoid issues if this was the case.
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
lol wut? no it cant
[HTC One X+] pshdo:
So the warnings you can read in some of the threads against flashing wrong files, is now not to be trusted anyway you say ??
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
AT&T users are concerned about the wrong thing.... Aside from cooked roms (which I have a great appreciation for) we have no developers for things like CM/AOSP/AOKP. And instead people want to complain that threads are not separated.... Look at the damn description of what you are installing and the problem is solved. if you are in "the heat of the moment" looking for something and cant be bothered to read what you are doing you should consider buying an iPhone. There is no excuse for stupidity.
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
the devices are S-ON which makes a brick very unlikely
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
People use the word brick too often these days. A brick is when your phone is totally dead (corrupt/damaged bootloader). Not when your stuck in a bootloop. Flashing a custom rom only writes to /system/ /data/ and /cache/. So unless you do something totally retarded it's pretty much impossible to brick flashing the wrong rom.
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
i hear that dude!
[HTC One X+] jotha:
It's not only "pretty much", but totally imposible to brick a s-on phone with flashing a rom. We had more than a hundred of One X on IRC channel that were "bricked" and with combined effort they all ran again eventually.

That said, it is possible however to ruin it so much that it is a very hard task for "unexperienced" users to get it to life again.

That makes it even more important for "unexperienced" users to read, and read and the read again before they start flashing. That is unfortunately something that got out of fashion these days. In the days you could actually "brick" your phone ppl were much more cautious.

Dividing this forum is a thing that is discussed, but I assure you that would not keep some ppl from flashing the wrong rom. On One X some don't even realize when they are on wrong forum and complain that the rom they installed wouldn't boot. So, whatever precautions we take, they only help so far...
[HTC One X+] Steve0007:
Flashing an ATT Rom into an International device or vice versa, will most likely not brick the device but that doesn't justify why ATT and International threads are together. I kind of agree with OP, we should better have 2 different threads as Roms, themes, mods for one device doesn't work for the other.

I am also surprised to see both devices into the same thread :silly:
[HTC One X+] pshdo:
So should that count for not helping people as much as possible by splitting the forum ?

Why not help as much as possible ?

Hey...

People also get hit by other cars when they don't notice a red light, but that don't stop us from having light signals in the trafic...

;)I know that many of you would LOVE to be the "wrong forum"-police anyway, so why fight splitting the dev forums ;)
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
Please stop beating a dead horse and instead do something to actually help out on the forums. Why would you want to divide an already small community? This is not like the original One X that had a large following immediately. They are doing a favor to AT&T users by keeping us in here because people are nice enough to port their roms.
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
saves opening a ton of threads, if people actually read the threads.. rom's are split into correct headers... sure call us silly but people need to start learning to read
[HTC One X+] saibz:
This is just my 2 cents, but not everyone knows the difference between the AT&T and International versions. Sure they have to read first and do their research, but at the same time the threads and files are freely available. They shouldn't be messing with their devices in the first place but then again the methods are just a click away.

Do we let the less-informed be "stupid" just so the community doesn't look as little/bare as it is currently? I don't know, maybe, but I have made mistakes (luckily not so severe) and a lot of people have too.
[HTC One X+] Synoptex:
I can agree that people should read before they do something. That's totally 100%. But the hell, what is here about SEARCH? Search WHAT? Think twice before you post.
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
It was already explained that the two would remain together in other Threads. Therefore had he posted in the proper area and searched first he could have added to those discussions instead of starting a new one. Think at least once before you post.
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
Do you really need people to explain how to use the search function? :confused:
[HTC One X+] nugzo:
The only thing these two phones have in common is the name. Saying "just read" is not the answer. WHo cares if the community is split, how does that matter? To everyone who thinks it should stay together, why? saying to "just read" doesnt qualify as a good reason IMO. What are the ADVANTAGES to keeping them together? Yes i know even if they are split you will still have people flashing the wrong files... But it will be a lot less than if they stayed together. :highfive:

To me, in order for phones to share a common forum, you should be able to flash the same rom to each device without issue. I just see no advantage to doing it this way. :confused: Maybe you cant permanently brick a phone by flashing the wrong rom, but it sure can cause some trouble. Days of downtime before you can find someone to help you fix it can be devastating to some. ATT HOX that flashed the wrong international HOX rom was pretty much a brick for a few weeks..until some brilliant devs figuresd out how to fix it. It took a while, wasnt overnight. To this day it isnt easy to recover from. You need a linux box to fix it, as well as above average experience. If the "just read" is a valid reason to keep them together, why not put all of the one x series together? They all look identical..Which is the only thing these two have in common.. "Just read" to get the correct rom. It shouldn't be that difficult right? It's not to most, its not to me, its not to the majority.. but there are a lot of newbs that even though they read, may not comprehend. New newbs sign up here everyday. And if they screw up, dont really have days to read irrelevant threads about a different phone in order to find a fix. I just haven't heard any good reasons to keep them together..."Just read" is NOT a good reason. I havent seen any sharing of information between these two devices. SPLIT the forum is my vote. Unless someone wants to share some good reasons to keep them together... How does it benifit the community? :D

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Oh yeah? tell that to these guys.. ATT HOX that flashed International HOX rom.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1974101

Yes this is for the OG HOX, not the HOX+...But the same thing could happen here. And it was from flashing just a rom to an s-on device.. Flashing a ONE x rom to a ONE x phone.
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
So the biggest thing I come back to here is everyone wants to say "well what about the new guy?" The new guy has no business flashing their phone if they can not read and comprehend everything they are doing. Why would you separate the OneX+ from the regular OneX? Well to put it simply the name. One is the "+" the other is not, hence why we do not have the galaxy s3, 2, 1 and other galaxy phones in one thread. It also cuts down on clutter and allows easier responses. "But Kraizk placing the AT&T phone in its own section will steam line this even more!" No, If the AT&T One X+ had the following the original One X had I would support you 100%. It does not, just look at the lack of original developers for the AT&T (there are none to my knowledge just Lloir being kind enough to work on a phone he technically doesn't have). The fix to a large number of problems is universal among the devices and having it here allows people to get the help they need. "But Kraizk you and several others are being a**holes to people." The minute someone asks a question that has not been answered several times already in the forums everyone is more than willing to help. When questions regarding the AT&T TWRP and its inability to charge while in off mode came up Lloir was more than polite and collected the necessary information. When the same question came up 3 weeks later because someone wanted to complain it was not working and that it should have been labeled (it was already labeled) people jumped straight down his throat. I digress.

If you can not be without a phone you have no business flashing your device unless you know what you are doing and can deal without said phone for months or forever if need be. This requires one to read. The lack of a following of the AT&T One X+ makes it impossible to justify giving the device its own thread. I also find it hard to believe the developers porting roms now would feel just as inclined and willing to port if the user base of their main rom is content with it being only for the international.
[HTC One X+] Armenin2001:
I agree completely.. It's a pain to read all the info just to see if it's only for intentional or att version..

Oh btw, sometimes it's not listed at all which rom supports.

Why make it harder for people instead of easier since roms aren't compatible..

Common sense, split these up.
[HTC One X+] Synoptex:
Ok. Give me the search phrase which will answer this question, if you are so smart.

Krazik, I will try to explain to you what I mean. I don't want to quarrel, but I also don't want others to speak unreasonable things.

If you spend all your life here on xda and you know the thread about this question, that's fine. But don't expect others to be like you. I tried to use the search, well I searched: "Why INT and ATT hox are in one thread". I searched xda, I searched google, and what I found is only this thread. Why? I honestly tried search with no results. That's why this thread was opened.

And now imagine, you are american. English is your native languange (and probably the only one you know). But I speak 4 languages and english is far away not mine. So may be that's why I used SEARCH with wrong criterias?

Lets respect the others and dont use the standart phrases like "Use search"! If you know the thread opened with this question, give us a link and receive "Thanks" for this. But don't teach the others how to live in a way you do. We all know the rules.
[HTC One X+] killman2659:
I agree these should be split. My old phone, the Galaxy S2, was split between international and AT&T. Even the GS3 is split into different sections for just the US versions. I just don't get why it isn't split, there should at least be an ATT section in the HOX+ section. Saying just read is correct but splitting the forums saves time and frustration.
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
Why are you guys discussing it like you have a choice.

I've said it a million times before. XDA is not here for us. It's purpose is not to provide free custom roms for us. XDA is a developer community. It's purpose is for developers to share and communicate with eachother. It is by there grace that we are allowed to be here to share in there custom lovelies :D

The decision has been made by the moderation team to keep the HOX+ as one forum. And i suggest you drop it and get on with your lives before you wind one or more of the moderators up ;)
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
And the most important point has been made. Therefore Responding any further has a lost point.
[HTC One X+] nugzo:
Just because a decision has been made doesnt mean its final. people change their minds everyday. Last mod i asked about this said it was being discussed and they were aware of the issues...
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
Do you not get what i'm saying. XDA isnt here to hold your hand or make life easy. Who are we to demand anything just because a few lazy people can't be bothered to read or understand the basics before they start flashing. We get all this for free. Be grateful and stop moaning. All the energy you have put into arguing the point. Could of been used to make a custom rom roundup thread in development, listing all the roms working with international or at&t HOX+'s. Would that not be a more productive use of your time?
[HTC One X+] emmissary1:
I agree that there should be separate threads.
[HTC One X+] KentuckyHouse:
Thank you, but no, I don't think we'll drop it.

And if this community is ONLY for developers, then why is there an open registration process? If that were the case, you'd have to jump through hoops to prove you're a dev in order to gain membership.

Sorry, but this is the easy way out. The mods should listen to their users, run this One X+ forum just like every other forum on this site, and divide the One X+ forum up just like EVERY other forum.
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
you people realize it's not a democracy, also yes the forum is actually meant for developers...All the other threads are "tolerated"
[HTC One X+] nugzo:
Obviously, I do not agree. ;) and I am not demanding anything..just sharing my opinion...that is far from a demand my friend:laugh: i read threads, i flashed the wrong rom on my Att hox+ on day one...because there was absolutely no mention that that rom was for international only. Obviously it was just a minor inconvenience, but thats not always the case. plenty of bricked devices from flashing the wrong roms. Coming from og att hox, where the phones are separated, i assumed since i was in the correct forum that the rom was compatible. i can certainly live with them being together. if xda would be consistent I think it would help. there are a lot of separated forums, plenty already talked about here. keep them separated or combine them all. Being consistent would help I do believe. :good: i still haven't heard any advantages to having these phones together the way they currently are though, nothing interchanges. Att shares about as many flash-able files with the international hox+ as it does with the Og international hox.

And the statement about xda not being here for us regular joes...that may have been how XDA started, but i think its way more than that now. With almost 5 million registered users, it's more than a place for devs to come together. Probably the biggest android site on the web. How many of that 5 million are devs ? i think XDA is here for everyone, not just devs only.

no hard feelings please, just sharing my opinion in a thread that was created for that reason. We agree to disagree on this one. :highfive:
[HTC One X+] noellenchris:
Ok, everyone calm down a bit. Keep the conversation ON TOPIC and don't start bashing each other. I won't be closing the thead because you or someone has not had their way or opinion, instead I will infract those that continue to berate others. Please report anyone who tries derailing the thread or any other threads on XDA. Thanks and keep it clean.

Noellenchris

XDA Forum MOD
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
Please see this thread for division between ROMS. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2074211
[HTC One X+] cmajewsk:
I realize it's not a democracy, that's true enough. But is the second part of your statement also true? That general questions are "tolerated" and could be removed under the guise that it does not advance development?
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
Your mistaken. It's not our questions that are tollerated. It's us. This is a developer forum.
[HTC One X+] xdacalvien:
I think only happen confuse for the new member for this forum and new phone for HOX+…

Me starting like that also, after read two three days, and slowly get the meaning for what I don't know.

After this, all will become friendly user..

Sorry for my bad English...:what:

My Device

HTC ONE X+

ROM Version - Elegancia Coloured 4.3.0

Kernel - EliteKernel OXP 121215
[HTC One X+] InflatedTitan:
About to root my bro in laws ATT OneX+.. But I agree after seeing this forum with Att and international combined I may have to try and talk him out of it. I've tried to help people that flashed ICJ and permanently bricked their onexl and I gotta say.. It is kind of ludacris to have these phones together if the ROMs/kernels do not work for either phone.. Its accidents waiting to happen. These phones are s-on and quite a few have been rendered useless... Its a silly combination and you'd have to be downright crazy to agree to this.
[HTC One X+] superchilpil:
Yea, I had to sit down and read every Rom carefully to know which is which

Luckily turge let my try the beta.

We definitely need to request these to be separated, I've seen too many icj bricks and since the hox+ is locked down I doubt there will be anyway to recover from a brick
[HTC One X+] AndroHero:
You havent seen any bricks. You've seen a few people crying bricks because there phone won't boot. But 99% of them are far from bricked. End of the day, with an S-On device. It's pretty hard to brick your phone.
[HTC One X+] Kraizk:
See here, If you still can not figure out what is needed to accomplish what you desire on your phone you shouldn't have unlocked it in the first place.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2074211
[HTC One X+] superchilpil:
I'm not talking about this device, I'm talking about the HOXL

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I'm come off wrong here but I'm not an idiot, and your above post is pretty much uncalled for. If your trying to help your doing a bad job at it.

My opinion is that since these are two different phones with the same name they need a dedicated forum.

Will we get it? Probably not, but if development for each phone grows tremendously than better clarification is needed

Or each Rom thread needs to state international or att in the title to avoid confusion. Yes most thread state it in the op but sometime people just don't read it.

My two cents
[HTC One X+] Lloir:
The main issue is people don't read. Simple as
[HTC One X+] nugzo:
Agree with you 100%. And yeah there are a lot of bricks out there, real bricks because of wrong roms being flashed. It hasn't happened with the Hox Plus yet (that i know of) but it could after the next firmware update. That's how it happened with the OG Hox. First versions of the phones firmware were forgiving. Was just an inconvenience if you flashed the wrong rom. Then they updated firmware which changed partitions dramatically, now REAL bricks happen when flashing the wrong Roms...

I've asked if there were any advantages to keeping these together and the only things i see over and over from the keep em together crowd is that people should read. Not really the answer I was hoping for. I'd like to know how this helps the DEVS. Are there any advantages to having the forums set up like they are now..with both phones together. Is there something i'm overlooking or haven't thought of that makes keeping them together advantageous?

It would help tremendously if the TITLE of the thread had some distinguishing identifiers to separate the ATT from the International. Not just rom threads, ALL threads. A lot of wasted time around here...for everyone, devs included, when you have to read unnecessary threads in order to find out if it pertains to your phone. Some threads you have to read multiple posts in order to find out if its ATT or International.. I've seen threads pages long before someone asks .. IS THIS FOR ATT? The answer is no, and its not in the OP. So yeah, 10 minutes later reading answered my question..It is not for my phone, YAY. :( But its in the forum for my phone..:confused: I have all the time in the world, i'll just keep reading. Hopefully i'll find some pertinent info for my phone. :rolleyes: