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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jcolinzheng:
How does the S-pen work? Supposedly with the xorg wacom driver it should just work?

I have always wished to use Xournal on my Note!

Linux has long dealt with low DPI devices, so its font rendering is much more flexible than Android. With proper configuration (fontconfig) texts may look very nice even on a low DPI screen such as the Note 10.1. This is yet another crucial reason to switch, for some...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
s-pen and touchscreen work via standard xserver-xorg-input-evdev. s-pen pressure sensitivity fine work with gimp and mypaint.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] driekus33:
Excellent job Exception13.

I just took a look at ubuntu for tablets. Do you think putting Ubuntu 13.10 (when it is released) and its tablet friendly interface will be possible on the Note 10.1?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] killerskincanoe:
+1 I just drooled all over that video... really hoping the same thing you are. Couldn't possibly imagine a better ecosystem.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
you can use any armhf GNU/Linux distribution
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] malak2:
hi ! great project !!

exception13, x-stranger, when can we expect an howto guide or image ?

i suppose odroid-x mali drivers are some binary blobs. what other blobs are required for hardware support ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
I have been reading this thread with much interest!

Can the recoveryimg be flashed without rooting the tablet?

Also, will we see a full howto to get the kernel and initrd build with the Mali drivers included?

great work!!

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would the process described for cyanogenmod titled "Install_CM_for_n8000" work for installing the kernel and initrd ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
i would like to achieve the following:

flash the recovery.img with a tool and leaving the stock android untouched.

boot linux in recovery mode from the micro sdcard.

setting up the microsdcard won't be much of a problem, however flashing the recovery might.

any suggestions? (I'd like to keep the Android unrooted)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] X-Stranger:
Our tablet does not support booting from sdcard, so there is no way to keep tablet untouched, anyway you need to flash custom recovery image with Linux kernel and initrd. Currently I don't see possibility to flash custom recovery without rooting. However you can unroot it after.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] darksabre_x:
So I have a bit of a problem.

Whenever I flash the recovery image and reboot I can't boot back into android. Everything flashes fine and boots me into linux, but whenever i try to reboot, it only takes me back to linux and never to android. (this is without holding any buttons on boot). I have to flash a recovery like CWM or TWRP through Odin in order to get back to android.

I used dd in order to flash the recovery.img to /dev/block/mmcblk0p6

I'm using OmegaRom 2.0 which is based on Stock 4.1.2.

Any help would be appreciated.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
you or OmegaRom make repartition? also run "partx -s /dev/mmcblk0" in linux and show result.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] darksabre_x:
I haven't partitioned anything. I used the terminal emulator within Android to run dd to flash the recovery image. I placed the linux.img in the root of the internal SD card.

I've actually tried this twice so far. The first time i used the Mobile Odin app to flash the recovery, the second time I used the terminal emulator.

Both times it runs Linux natively, but won't boot back to android until I flash an actual recovery back onto the device.

Both times I did select the reboot to recovery option when shutting down Android instead of just power off. Would that make a difference?

***edit***

Just noticed you added that command.

I don't have access to my PC to flash CWM back right now and that command doesn't do anything when I try within Android using Linux Deploy and connectbot to ssh in. I'll give the command a try later after reflashing the arch linux recovery.img and booting back into linux.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
"reboot to recovery" use scratchpad memory for pass some options to bootloader. android recovery may handle this and reset "reboot to recovery" flag in scratchpad memory but plain GNU/Linux can't. try with clean shutdown.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
I have managed to boot into linux with the supplied files recovery.img and linux.img.

On my Linux PC i have succesfully compiled the kernel with the patches supplied on page 3.

Are there more recent patches for the kernel of add-on's available? does it have kexec enabled?

The Distro is nice, I will try and see if i can setup Debian on the emmc.

Thanks!!

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strange:

when i do 'shutdown -h now' the system shutsdown nicely and i can reboot into Android. BUT when i try to boot linux again i get the Android system recovery!!

is it possible that the system resets the recovery image?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] darksabre_x:
That's one of the issues of staying completely stock. The stock rom does indeed flash a stock recovery back upon boot. It's due to the recovery-from-boot.p in /system (You'll need to be rooted to rename or delete this)

You were right. I totally forgot about the reboot to recovery flag. After using dd to flash and then powering down the proper way, I now have access to both ArchLinux and my Android rom.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
i create http://code.google.com/p/opensgn. current in this repo my linux kernel for n8000 and some stuff
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] malak2:
thanks exception13

please could you post some instructions to get the mali drivers and hardware 3d acceleration working ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
CC drivers/misc/tzic.o

/tmp/cccpbEfZ.s: Assembler messages:

/tmp/cccpbEfZ.s:56: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.arch_extension'

/tmp/cccpbEfZ.s:182: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.arch_extension'

/tmp/cccpbEfZ.s:192: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.arch_extension'

make[2]: *** [drivers/misc/tzic.o] Error 1

make[1]: *** [drivers/misc] Error 2

make: *** [drivers] Error 2

do we really need the Linux Mobicore support configured in the kernel?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Kondra007:
Are you going to make an standalone app for installing ?

I'm stuck a little bit and didn't manage to install, don't understand how to implement patches.

Could you post your instruction in Russian ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
which version of gcc and binutils?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
I have tried versions 4.4 , 4.5 , 4.6 and 4.7. all of them struggle with the code at various places.

I have tried to compile on the Panda board natively and on my Debian PC with a cross compiler.

Which version of gcc and binutils do you use?

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Also i get these kind of errors which seem like the code is either incomplete or poorly written.

CC drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite/fimc-lite-reg.o

In file included from drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite/fimc-lite-reg.c:16:0:

drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite/fimc-lite-reg.c: In function ‘flite_hw_set_source_format’:

drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite/fimc-lite-core.h:298:32: error: inlining failed in call to always_inline ‘find_flite_format’: function body not available

drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite/fimc-lite-reg.c:103:26: error: called from here

make[5]: *** [drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite/fimc-lite-reg.o] Error 1

make[4]: *** [drivers/media/video/exynos/fimc-lite] Error 2

make[3]: *** [drivers/media/video/exynos] Error 2

make[2]: *** [drivers/media/video] Error 2

make[1]: *** [drivers/media] Error 2

make: *** [drivers] Error 2
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
On a side note, the provided linux.img and recovery.img seems to crash and after boot hangs with a fsck error.

when trying to fsck manually it crashes again and hangs.

Does the kernel have overclocking or other stuff enabled? it seems pretty unstable.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
samsung code realy poorly and dirty.

my version of toolchain

serge@silverblade:~$ arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc --version
arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

serge@silverblade:~$ arm-linux-gnueabi-as --version
GNU assembler (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.22
Copyright 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This program is free software; you may redistribute it under the terms of
the GNU General Public License version 3 or later.
This program has absolutely no warranty.
This assembler was configured for a target of `arm-linux-gnueabi'.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
perhaps the version in Update4 is more up-to-date? did you use the Update1 version from the opensource samsung site?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
before commit source to google code i update kernel source to Update4. this is later version but the differences between Update1 and Update4 minimal.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
I managed to build a kernel with the GIT repository.

Disabling the Linux Mobicore support in 'devices' helped me to be able to build the kernel.

Just repartitioned the emmc and now i can boot with rootfs at mmcblk0p13.

The speed difference between sdcard and emmc is about 5x

rebooting works fine too thanks to the hint about Android resetting the recovery block.

I have installed Debian Wheezy and was surprised that even out-of-the-box both touchscreen and pen work.

Might need some work to get pressure sensitivity to show up in Gimp.

Wifi works too after following the elaborate steps on page 4 of this thread.

A big thanks to all involved here!!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] killerskincanoe:
sounds awesome. anyone done a video review yet? if possible it would be greatly appreciated.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
good news. i'm find way to fix graphics artefacts in gnome-shell and other application who use cogl/clutter.

$cat /etc/xdg/cogl/cogl.conf

[global]
COGL_DRIVER=gles2
COGL_DISABLE_GL_EXTENSIONS=GL_OES_EGL_image

before fix:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f7e61k48y5yt12c/Снимок экрана от 2013-02-26 16:48:43.png

after fix:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqvs9vou1s6m0rr/Снимок экрана от 2013-02-26 16:45:05.png
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
for add Mali support you need get library from http://dn.odroid.com/MALI400_R3P2/20130222/ and build Xorg driver from http://malideveloper.arm.com/develo...i-gpus-linux-exadri2-and-x11-display-drivers/

before you try to use Mali accelerated driver you need use apt-get or aptitude to replace libgl1-mesa-glx to libgl1-mesa-swx11, remove libegl-mesa-drivers, libegl-mesa-dri-experimental, make config

serge@silvertablet:~$ cat /etc/clutter-1.0/settings.ini
[global]
CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11

serge@silvertablet:~$ cat /etc/xdg/cogl/cogl.conf
[global]
COGL_DRIVER=gles2
COGL_DISABLE_GL_EXTENSIONS=GL_OES_EGL_image

after install Mali library you need move

libcogl.so.9 libcogl.so.9.1.1 libEGL.so.1 libEGL.so.1.0 libGLESv1_CM.so.1 libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1.0 libGLESv2.so.2 libGLESv2.so.2.0.0 libOpenVG.so.1 libOpenVG.so.1.0.0 from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ to backup (/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/backup/ for example)

make in /usr/lib/ symlinks

serge@silvertablet:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/libEGL*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 фев 20 10:01 /usr/lib/libEGL.so -> libEGL.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 фев 8 08:19 /usr/lib/libEGL.so.1 -> libEGL.so.1.4
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 фев 8 08:19 /usr/lib/libEGL.so.1.4 -> libMali.so

serge@silvertablet:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/libGLES*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 фев 20 10:01 /usr/lib/libGLESv1_CM.so -> libGLESv1_CM.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 фев 8 08:19 /usr/lib/libGLESv1_CM.so.1 -> libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 фев 8 08:19 /usr/lib/libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1 -> libMali.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 фев 20 10:01 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so -> libGLESv2.so.2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 фев 8 08:19 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 -> libGLESv2.so.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 фев 8 08:19 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2.0 -> libMali.so

serge@silvertablet:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/libOpenVG*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 фев 20 10:01 /usr/lib/libOpenVG.so -> libMali.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 фев 20 10:01 /usr/lib/libOpenVGU.so -> libMali.so

if you have artefacts in graphics like in my last post install with apt libcogl11, move libcogl9* to backup and make symlinks libcogl9* to libcogl11
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
That is a quick and solid response!

Will try this soon.

Have you tried the Lima driver too? That seems to be an open source Mali driver.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
Lima not fully completed. only for test purprose.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
simple sketch created in mypaint with use s-pen. 2 color (black and red) black gradient demonstrate pressure sensitivity
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] malak2:
thanks for mali drivers instructions, i should get the tablet next month and try.

is sound working ? speakers and headphone ?

if so, what are the drivers ? alsa ? oss ? and are there any issues (crackling, pops, bad latency or bad quality) ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mdalacu:
Re: Debian GNU/Linux@N80XX

@exception13 What is the response time (lag) using SPen in MyPaint?

Thank you.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
sound work and use alsa. for get it working look at http://code.google.com/p/opensgn/source/browse/#git/data/n8000/usr/share/alsa on boot use alsa-ctl to restore alsa driver state from init.state for select output or input use alsa-ucm
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
response very comfortable
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
like this

# restore alsa initial state
/usr/sbin/alsactl restore -f /usr/share/alsa/ucm/Midas_WM1811/init.state

# enable speaker for output and builtin mic for input
/usr/bin/alsaucm -c Midas_WM1811 set _verb Playback set _enadev Speaker
/usr/bin/alsaucm -c Midas_WM1811 set _verb Capture set _enadev Mic
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] psx2pal:
Anyone planing, to build an image for us, with all known patches and fixes?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] j dee:
+1, that would be very much appreciated
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] X-Stranger:
Sorry, it is not in usable state yet. Please wait till we have something more or less stable.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
Im stunned

OMG OMG

i have n8010

this is so awesome. i've been waiting. i want to install ubuntu.

can someone provide me with steps ? please

??

than you
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] thermatk:
What do you mean? What's wrong with it? :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
We have a small problem with Mali GLES and support it in some standard applications and libraries. but this is a common problem of GLES. Overall I would say the current state of relatively stable (excluding GLES) but not for the average end user. while only recommend for advanced users familiar with GNU/Linux. But all you can try ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Bene2k11:
AW: Debian GNU/Linux@N80XX

I would, but unfortunately Linux Deploy doesn't work for me :(
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] thermatk:
You mean standard apps that use 3d-acceleration?

If so, that's not something i would say important since I need it for non-3D desktop apps like GIMP, LyX, LibreOffice and so on. But if Gnome Shell is working fine with 3D it's even more nice to work in them :)

I really think that many people will agree with me that a desktop OS on tablet is and addition to Android and not a replacement so what is needed is:

-nice interface like Gnome Shell for work to be more fun (completed?)

-bluetooth and USB-OTG support for adding external mouse & keyboard (completed?)

-compatibility with most of apps that one would like to use(office suites, image processing, audio editing...). I doubt that 3D apps should be in the list

-stability of this bundle

:D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
It works but ubuntu please

Hey developer and followers,

Firstly thanks for the upload of the Arch image and the recovery image.

Its very successfull and more than what i thought

OTG works great, sound works, touch works (no multi touch yet ? ), brightness works (need automatic brightness though), Spen works, battery icon needs to be added with a text indicator. I havent tried heaphones yet.

Here are my concerns :

1. Firstly, I want UBUNTU, i configured linux deploy and downladed it but it failed to run.

Can u please upload a ubuntu img file. with GNOME - Ubuntu Quantal.

2. I need big help on setting up wifi. how do i search for networks ?

3. Screen rotation - i need to be able to rotate the screen upside down so i can use my otg adapter to plug in whatever and put it on my stand upside down (so the connector port is on the top)

4. Is it possible to run flash player and normal linux stuff ? im asking this cuz i believe this is arm version

5. Wud libre office and wine work ?

Thanks again, please answer this
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
without GLES (with xserver-xorg-video-fbdev) it's rock stable. wifi, bluetooth, usb-host, touchscreen, wacom s-pen, sound and suspend work fine.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
1. You use initrd from ubuntu?;

2. Try turn off and turn on wifi in network manager;

3. Current imposible;

4. You may try gnash or ligthspark.

5. Work any software from distributive repo. Wine don't exist to arch != x86|amd64 but maybe posible run with black magic and qemu-i386.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
Umm ? help me please

1. Can u help me out with ubuntu ?

2. There is no network manager ?

3. is there a way to modify the display config files for rotation ?

4. thanks

5. -
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
2. just install network manager;

3. you can set rotate in xorg.conf but it's can't changed in runtime and it's maybe slow;
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
new quick and dirty way to disable bug extention GL_OES_EGL_image system wide for all library and application:

1. open libMali.so in any hex editor;

2. find all "GL_OES_EGL_image" string;

3. replace any symbols

without change string lenght

(for example "GL_OES_EGL_image" -> "___OES_EGL_image");

solution very bad and dirty but work.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
current black magic

cat /etc/xdg/cogl/cogl.conf

[global]
COGL_DRIVER=gles2
COGL_DISABLE_GL_EXTENSIONS=GL_OES_EGL_image

cat /etc/clutter-1.0/settings.ini

[global]
CLUTTER_BACKEND=gdk

strings /usr/lib/libMali.so | grep -o '___OES[_a-zA-Z]* '

___OES_EGL_image
___OES_EGL_image

with fixes in libMali we can skip line "COGL_DISABLE_GL_EXTENSIONS=GL_OES_EGL_image" in cogl.conf
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
Please help me - ubuntu

Hello,

I got my wifi to work (but still no network manager)

anyway

I need help with Ubuntu. I downloaded ubuntu quantal - gnome from linux deploy. its fine on vnc. what do i do next ?

Can you please provide me with the exact steps on how to make it boot from recovery. Please help me with this.

Thank you
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
Any one want GNOME ?

Hello everyone,

I'm building a ArchLinux image with GNOME desktop enviornment. lets see how that goes :D

This is amazing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jowie94:
Some problems

Hello,

I've been following this post nearly since it started. I've builded the kernel with the samsung sources and the new sources with Mali integrated and compiled by hand the Mali driver. I'll build some deb packages for debian with the Mali drivers and X11 support when I have some time.

Now I have some graphical artifacts in gnome shell and I don't understand how to solve it, could anyone explain it a bit more?

Thanks :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
read this

http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=245#p1739

http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=245#p1793
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
No reply ? :/

Why isn't anyone replying to mine.

Can someone please build a Ubuntu gnome image with a recovery img that will allow it to boot up. Then uppload it ? Or at least upload the recovery img for it and tell me how to make a ubuntu img from Linux deploy that will boot in the rootfs

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] psylender:
Does Xournal work as good as SNOTE ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jcolinzheng:
I'm also looking forward to a Ubuntu image...(for one, the unity interface is much more friendly for touch screens.)

BTW, on my S-Note running Linux, text is MUCH, MUCH clearer than Android (which really sucks at font rendering on low DPI screens).

Even for this one single reason, I'm willing to dump android on S-Note.

Xournal is superior to s-note in many ways. But sharing notes is less convenient (that's a problem with linux).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
source code on OpenSGN updated:

add missing properties for battery class (it's need for compute estimated work time on battery and estimated battery charge time);

apply mmc block driver patch from samsung Update5;
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] walidbang:
AW: Debian GNU/Linux@N80XX

Can somebody make a tutorial?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
The current drivers (battery, wifi etc.) print far too much info with pr_info. The logfiles /var/log/messages currently fill up way too fast.

Unfortunately there is no quick fix in the kernel configuration to turn those off.

Any suggestions?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
you may open new issue on http://code.google.com/p/opensgn/issues/list with description and examples and i fix it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
updated: alsa ucm rewrited for fully (i think) compatibility with pulseaudio 3 (in control panel you can see playback and capture devices separately and can swith between it from GUI)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jan rinze:
where can i submit patches for the current kernel?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
create new issue and attach patch file to this
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] exception13:
screenshots for understand
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] X-Stranger:
ArchLinux

For the interested people, below are the links to the updated recovery and rootfs images with ArchLinux:

- recovery: http://dfiles.ru/files/r6y96x5oo

- rootfs: http://dfiles.ru/files/dcolx02nj

Changelog:

- rootfs image size increased up to 3Gb

- Samsung Kernel Update 5 + our patches + working Mali/UMP support merged

- LXDM/XFCE stuff removed

- ArchLinux updates installed

- GDM/Gnome3 + extra packages installed

- wpa_supplicant disabled, NetworkManager activated instead

- Mali video driver and all dependencies installed and configured, so Gnome UI acceleration should work

How to install on to device with stock firmware:

- root your device and make sure you have "dd" utility

- backup your stock recovery partition just in case (dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p6 of=recovery.img_orig)

- burn recovery image to recovery partition (dd if=recovery.img of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p6)

- put rootfs file to the "internal" sdcard

- reboot to recovery and see Linux booting

- see GDM, select "android" user, enable onscreen keyboard if needed (in the accessibility menu, top right corner), type "changeme" password and press enter

P.S. ADB interface still works in case something is wrong and you need to login to Linux "from the backdoor"

P.P.S. The images are posted "As Is", feel free to change anything you think works incorrectly or you can do better
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
Thank You

Thank you very much for this. I will check it out soon.

Do u have any plans on making a recovery for Ubuntu and a roofs image for it. With gnome
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] X-Stranger:
Sorry, Ubuntu is not my primary or favorite distribution, so only when I have some free time. Did you try to install it by yourself?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hiruna:
its okay

Its okay. This is a big help. I always wanted a distro to run on my tablet natively. This is more than i expected. Thank you again. I was not able to create a recovery myself for ubuntu. I still havent tried your lastet versions of archlinux image. I'll do it tommrow. Its 11.36pm in Melbourne, Australia :P