yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Thanks. Is the auto brightness adjustment like this?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] siddjazz:
Worth a shot. But in all likelyhood it's probably a one-off case.

240 is tiiiny! I need to stop walking to read a message every time. 320+small fonts!! :cyclops:

---------- Post added at 09:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:31 PM ----------

No it's not, but you can get Lux on the play store.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Display ->brightness ->Adjust.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
You are lucky I kept it that high ;) haha. I have my own at about 220. That's why we will have tile customisation with the CM10 tiles. So it looks neater :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Audioboxer:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Yes it is :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] setanomada:
i have the same problem and i think is because new superuser app. i just installed 27th february and superuser permission was asked (not like in 10th march version).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Unfortunately that doesn't control it the same way as the system, so it doesn't save the power like the low level controls. At least, that's what I've heard...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

He was wrong, its there :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kolyan:
Yes, excactly like that
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
Awesome, can't wait to try it! Would you consider an option to allow the LED to work with the screen on? That's the only feature I think I would miss. Nice work on this!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] icrzymonkey:
I have noticed that Apollo music crashes when I unplugged headphones.

I use Google music so there seems to be a problem between the two.

System density: 213

Apps UImode: Phone

Apps Density: 240
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Riddlah:
hey benjamin,

I was wondering if the on-screen arrow keys would make its way in a future build. I know the volume rocker is an option but the arrow keys are a little more convenient when typing.

Thanks,
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
It's all good hear. I have changed my set up to your same ones and am playing music now. :S I know that doesn't help but it makes me think it isn't a ROM issue.

I hope so yes. I will be working on bringing the old navbar back. Just they have changed so much since they were last put in it's a little mashed ;) So bear with me and I will look at that next. It's on my to do after the last thing I need to do :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] icrzymonkey:
More info, it happens anytime i remove the head phones... also in a movie player..

Thinking of uninstalling he app
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] raycaster3:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

There is some serious work being put in in this rom, and I don't mean pull requests from other gerrits. I mean innovations. Check out the Quick Tiles customization here ... Where else do you see this? I'm impressed. Of course, this is in a future release, but circle battery color and transparency settings along with quick tiles color and transparency options. DAMN!

Just had to let you guys know Jellybeer is on the level. Only good things to come.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] grigoris_a:
Απ: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

I find that system apps(the ones that come with the phone after clean install)don't follow dpi settings set in neither system ui nor app dpi.Thankfully if you put them to groups they change.I am also not sure but i think dpi settings are off by 20.I mean that if the stock phone is 320 then you have to choose 300 to look the same.

But in the end this rom looks great for me despite this little glitches.Combines all i need.Thank you.

Sent from space...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] beerbong:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

When an app is added to a dpi group, it's killed so it gets the right dpi when it's started. This doesn't happen when you set the global dpi as all your running apps should be killed, restarting the phone should be enough (or killing the apps manually).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Gonna flash when out of beta stage!!! I'm glad to see you made it bro and on to the n4!!! ;):):beer:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] grigoris_a:
Απ: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Tried that but still system apps remain unaffected from dpi change.

Sent from space...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] setanomada:
Ive seen Im not the only one having problems when changing system apps dpi. If I move them individually to a group it works, but not when changing system density or apps density in hybrid settings. Any solution?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] siddjazz:
A few people seems to be having the same problem. Benjamin will try a work around in his next release. Hold tight!

For now, your solution is what we are using.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] beerbong:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

https://github.com/BeerGang/android...mmit/12f8c46e3a6929a62d32f6e443c9432cd308eaf7
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Are you still doing updates for the galaxy nexus as well???
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4 B5 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 10 M

Yup :) when the stable is out then gnexus will get that beer love too ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Galaxtus:
@Ben, you have a PM :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
New version is up. We are out of BETA now. First stable.

All the new features are in. Check the OP for some info and our github for more. :)

Hope you guys enjoy it :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Audioboxer:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Good work guys!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

I forgot to say. Check out GooUpdater in settings. Made by our awesome beerbong
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Toisan:
Hey guys, can someone provide me with a mirrow?

Goo.im is blocked on my Internet.. :)

Best is Dropbox or Mediafire, Dev-Host sometimes doesnt work too -.-

and Im not to lazy to w8 for Download, its realy blocked!!

so i cant test most of the roms here.. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Mattymat:
Hey Ben,

You added my center clock mod. YES!!!! I've been waiting for that, man. I can finally make the jump from 3.58. Sweetness.

Mat
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] raycaster3:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

With this update you've brought jellbeer to a new level. There is nothing that I like/need/want that I can't get with this ROM. Not to mention an accessible Dev...

Once again, I'll recommend to everyone playing around with the tile color/transparency customizations for quick toggles and circle mod. They are unique to jellybeer and are just flat out cool.

For that and many other creative and well done implementations, I have nothing but respect for @benjustjammin. Yeah buddy :D

BTW no homo... Haha ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] grigoris_a:
[ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15 MAR

When I install motley b49 kernel I get FC of com.android.nfc.(clean install of rom)Any one else with the same issue?

Sent using Tapatalk HD
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kolyan:
Thanks for update. Reporting a small bug: "tiles per row" setting doesn't work, it only makes text smaller inside the tiles.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Galactic2:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Coming over from Xylon..and I'm loving this ROM. Definitely the best implementation(and least confusing) of hybrid settings outside of official PA.

Wondering if any plans for nav/status bar transparency? Or is that an official CM thing? And other customizations?

Thanks man.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kowcop:
One thing I noticed... in the BeerGang Git, if you look in the file android_vendor_cm / config / common.mk , you embed superuser twice at lines 3 and 136
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarayn:
Did you have any luck with re-adding nav bar mods or is it still a wip / possibility.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Z-Man™:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Is there hidden Nav bar option?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] raycaster3:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

I don't see them. I dirty flashed over a test build so possibly I need a clean install for them to show.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ivizoid:
Any idea what the skin is for the widget in the original post? Ahah.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Galaxtus:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39176425&postcount=1097
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

I know some wallpaper and signature developers on XDA Ben would you like me to request to have some made for you they are great friends of mine and amazing at it???

PM me if your interested!!! :D:D:D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Toisan:
AW: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Anyone? :)

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Haha, glad we could win you over at last ;)

Thanks man :) your no homo love is accepted. :)

It does but systemUI needs to restart. Try reassigning the system DPI and you'll see it come. I'll have to add that in so it restarts on the assign.

Yup, after a trip to London I'll be looking at that :)

Mmmm I'll check that out. :) thanks for the report.

Haven't started work on that yet. After a trip to London I'll start work on it :)*

You can set the Navbar percent to 0. :)

Go for it man. No reason why we couldn't have more sig support.

I'll pop the build on my gdrive and link back here. Just need to get up and to work first ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kolyan:
Yep, reapplied DPI settings for system and now it works fine.

Donation coming for hard work on this ROM!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Massive thanks :) I added you to the OP too.

Mirror :D

Drive
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rionline:
NFC

Hi guys, i would really like to try this rom. Is there a NFC polling configure option? i need this every day twice,...so it is kind of essential... thanks for any answer!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
There isn't but isn't there a hacked app around somewhere that allows it? If you're talking about screen off stuff.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Toisan:
i cant thank enough!!! :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Sddddd:
Love this ROM!

Good work! :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jok4h:
Just installed this ROM, and configured it just the way i like, and what you said is the only thing missing from this ROM to make it near perfect for me.

If it can be implemented, wow :) this ROM is gonna kick ass!!

Ohh thanks for the hard work you've put in Benjamin!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Gja88:
Two questions. Any plans to include settings to change the nav bar glow? I prefer it off. Also I noticed you decided to go with launcher2 instead of trebuchet. Any specific reason why? I actually like the customization trebuchet offers and the speed it packs too.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kakito:
I actually think Trebuchet is limited. I prefer to have stock and can always use Customization Launchers from the Play Store. I used Nova Launcher in fact I purchased it but I don't use it anymore. I like the options most ROM offer now which is built in Customization. You can always download and apply themes to the ROM.

Nexus 4

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Gja88:
Eh I understand ur point but launcher2 has no customizations where trebuchet offers grid sizes, transition effects and other neat features. I own nova but I prefer treb over it as the stock widgets on it look funky. Just a thought
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Update coming.

This is what's in:

- fix occasional ring volume reset

- Increase lock screen widget limit from 5 to 9

- New mms with proper emoji.

- First boot settings fix.

- plus all latest CM10.1 merges.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
I was advised by the people testing that launcher2 was prefered. Mainly because Trebuchet still has quite a few FC's. If enough people ask for it I will switch back to trebuchet.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Gja88:
Aw alright. Well count me in for treb but whatever is best is fine as well. Thanks
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
That's fine :) I'll take ideas and suggestions and always explain why something is the way it is :)

Sent from boozing beery N4...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Kakito:
Trebuchet for me is Old School. From my experience I always had issues. One reason why I actually started using Nova in the past because Trebuchet was built in. I don't really like using other Launchers because they impact memory and battery usage. I like to keep the Built in and customize from there. If the decision is to keep Trebuchet that will not drive me away from the ROM. I guess I would have to see how it works and if I still get negative impacts I would be forced to use Nova again and my default. Up to Ben on what to do.

Thanks to Ben for the Build!

Nexus 4

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Guitarfreak26:
Hi Ben

Just wondering what settings you use on faux kernel?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
These are my settings:

CPU MIN: 486 MAX: 1134

Governor: Intellidemand SnakeCharmer: On

-175mV on all.

CPU Eco Mode: On

I/o Scheduler: cfq and 1024

Vibration @ 85% :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jmbz916:
Anybody else having problems with the screen not coming on while making a call or on a call?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Gja88:
Anyones nav bar not changing to the correct size when on the hone screen? Every app changes yo the correct size but not at home.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Not had that issue, but I don't call often. :/

Is that with Launcher?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jmbz916:
Yeah. Its weird. The screen would black out and only way for me to end the call would be to reboot the phone.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
This issue seemed to happen on other ROMs too - weird. What kernel are you using?

OT/ Who wants a new wallpaper app? Just a few in there, but some clean ones? /OT
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] DaX05:
Raise the voltages on that kernel or try a different kernel.

Beamed via Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jmbz916:
Stock..haven't flashed any kernels..using the one that came with the rom
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Gja88:
Yeah I'm getting that nav height problem with launcher. I haven't tried nova or anything else. Other apps change to the height I requested but it reverts to 48 on home.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Confirmed. It's a bug with launcher. Looks like I will be switching back to Trebuchet - if you don't mind using another launcher until then. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rionline:
AW: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Wow what is this beautiful font?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] raycaster3:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

I think that one is Ubuntu. I switch between that one and one by djdarkknight called DarkGinger.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Galactic2:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

IdK if by design, but my Nav bar disappears when in landscape mode. Regardless of the app...youtube , browser, gmail, Facebook etc etc...

Anyone else?

Edit: Never mind... My nav bar doesn't like my custom nav bar icons mod it seems :(

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Z-Man™:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Stupid question but what's the easiest way to change font
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Its all good here.

Font installer on the market is good. Works the best out of the ones I've tried.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Download ROM toolbox by jrummy from the play store scroll all the way to the left after super su is granted permissions select font installer choose the font you want there is many and hit install font then it will download your font hit yes when it asks if you want to reboot your phone it will reboot and your font will be changed to your font of choice...;):):beer:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Galactic2:
My custom nav bar icons were the culprit... got it fixed
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Good good :) did wonder why they were different hahaha. Even when I applied the theme they didn't change.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

User feed back is always helpful to viewers!!! Thanx!!! ;):):beer:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Thorsten_de:
Hi Benjamin!

The GooUpdater has uninstall my GooManager?!

With the GooManager I has always update my TWRP recovery to the last version.

Now I can't update my recovery or I can install GooUpdater and GooManger?

Thank's for your work and the new JellyBeer 4.1.0!

Greetings, Thorsten :o
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] beerbong:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

There's no problem in having both installed.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

What is the latest goo recovery on goo???
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

2.4.4.0 TWRP
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Thanx Benjamin can I ask another question does your format stay the same after update or do you end up w/ a 0/ file??? Thanx!!!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Stays the same at least for me. :) I'm a huge TWRP fan. So much better than CWM.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [KERNEL] [TUNA] [3.0.69+][4.2.2] [CYLON v801* - PURITY v030] [13/03] AK

+ 1 I have updated thank you!!! ;):):beer:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dr.devman:
Dang...this rom looks sleek
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Z-Man™:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Thanks for this Benjamin. This rom is the perfect combination of features I need.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Can I get a direct download to your gapps or should I just use PA latest gapps??? I flashed this on my g nexus using latest PA gapps!!! Great ROM so far!!! ;):):beer::beer::beer:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

One question couldn't find this set up???
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Riddlah:
set the per app layout of google talk to 720
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

I haven't flashed it on my n4 yet I have on my g nexus is any one having problems w/ nova launcher on the n4 I will show you my lay out I was having problems on my g nexus w/ nova and jelly beer!!! Thanx for any help!!!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

This is my lay out is why!!!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Z-Man™:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Using nova prime no issues here
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Must just be on the g nexus because apex is working great thanx!!! ;):):beer:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Z-Man™:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Let the fun begin
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sk8oldschool74:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

It has begun!!! My phone may need rehab!!! :D:D:D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Galaxtus:
Re: [ROM][4.2.2|CM10.1] JellyBeer - v4.1.0 [BeerGang] [DPI Groups|Per-App-Layout] 15

Deleted. Wrong Thread :sly: