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[Nexus 10 General] 3473:
I own both devices. The nexus 10 still lags with cm10, though this may be because I have several widgets on my homescreen. Ipad is 100% smooth but boring

Generally I use my nexus 10 for videos and Ipad 4 for everything else.

I am hoping to find an app to calibrate the nexus 10's colours because they look poor. After calibrating the colours on my nexus 4 the screen became infinitely better, so I'm hoping there is a similar issue here
[Nexus 10 General] peterlcj:
nexus 10..
[Nexus 10 General] richB7:
I also went the iPad 4 route temporarily after Google so messed up my order for the N10 and I was quite impressed with the hardware and the better quality of many of the apps available on both platforms. Eventually I was able to find a good N10 at Walmart and finally last week returned the iPad 4 back to Walmart. I wouldn't quite deem the iPad to be better than the Nexus 10 as I find them just about neck and neck. The differences which made me keep the Nexus is the $100 price difference and that I find iOS to be boring added to the fact its an Apple product. If I never found a local N10 I would have happily kept the iPad.

As far as other android tablets, I have had at one time or another the original transformer, the prime, the infinity, the Samsung note, the Samsung 7.7, the Nexus 7 and the Acer a700 and in my opinion the N10 outshines them all. The only others even close are the 10" Note and the 7.7 galaxy tab with its samoled screen. With the exception of the Nexus 7, Asus has screwed up the last two platforms they've put on the market.
[Nexus 10 General] joe1l:
i may be able to give you some valued feedback since i own, ipad3, Asus Tf700, and a nexus 10. the ipad4 has a few minor changes but for the most part is similar to the ipad3. i love all 3 tablets and all are excellent imho. First thing is that you need to choose your OS then your tablet. I chose the ipad3 for my wife and 3year old daughter simply because it is the easiest platform to learn. I don't want to debate which platform is better... it is as personal a topic as politics these days. When it comes down to it though one is an open sourced system while the other is not. the benefits of each are well documented everywhere on the net. I myself appreciate open source software and prefer the ability to customize my system to my liking instead of a rigorously tested system with little freedom to customize.

that being said the ipad hardware wise is exceptionally excellent. it is a premium product that comes at a premium price costing $100 more than the Nexus10. If it ran android it would probably be my favorite. The Nexus10 is my favorite tablet at the moment with my tf700 being a close 2nd place. The tf700 is running clean rom3.03 on data2sd and feels just a fast as my nexus 10 running cm10.1. The ipad is the heaviest tablet but has the longest battery. the Nexus10 gets much better battery life than I ever expected... Very close to my ipad3 but is a bit lighter. the Tf700 feels like a feather compared to the ipad but at the expense of battery life. it gets excellent battery life considering and charges much faster than the others. I probably get 8+hours on the Tf700, 11±hours on the Nexus10 and 12 on the ipad. Screen quality is probably the biggest difference. resolution on the ipad and n10 is amazing.. the ipad tends to look more vivid if displaying colored photos etc... but is a little more sharp on the n10. the Tf700 display might not have as high a resolution as the other two but IMHO it is every bit as good. this is probably due to The tf700 super IPS brightness feature. it has the brightest screen of the bunch.

Honestly you can't go wrong with either of them. I personally think that the Nexus 10 is the best performing Android tablet but i think

tf700 is the best buy/value. The better camera, lighter weight package, built in sdcard slot, optional keyboard dock and amazingly bright screen should not be discounted when considering. the ipad is not for me... but suits my wife fine.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
When absorbing advice people need to take in to account the different ways people use their devices; one person's "great" is another person's "nightmare."

For something that "just works" with a low learning curve and content (apps and media) spoon fed to you an Apple product is a sure win. I recommend them to my non-geek friends who have no interest in understanding technology other than as a means to an end. But most of us use Android because that’s not our profile.

The TF700 (and all Asus tablets for that matter) are year-old designs and have significant component issues that cause them to perform poorly for productivity and power users. Unless someone's prepared to void their warranty by unlocking it and doing some major s/w surgery they are poor performers whenever multitasking that involves file IO takes place. For folks that are basic consumption users and don't have a lot of syncs, downloads, and multiple apps going at the same time it could be an effective choice. But at similar prices to an iPad, N10, and Note 10.1 it's far from a great value taking the things I mentioned in to account.

In the N10’s defense, it’s using a new CPU, GPU, and OS and has been on the market for a short time. Since it’s a Nexus device one would hope that some of the issues being discussed will be addressed via updates. There’s certainly no issue with the raw ingredients. While its specs are “high-end” its price is not. The lack of expandable storage, slow charging via the provided USB solution, and h/w issues are due to the latter.

In the end, there’s no “perfect” device. People need to assess their own priorities and pick the strengths and weaknesses that their willing to live with.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
I literally don't understand these comments about lag. I have a Nexus 4, had a GS3, have tried numerous other Android tablets and owned an iPad 3 for 6 months. The only thing quicker than my N10 is my N4, and that is by a whisker. Neither leaves me feeling frustrated, ever.

The ONLY time I ever noticed lag on my N10 was with Chrome, which is now removed from my N10 completely as it's complete ****e! What are people doing that's causing this lag? I've heard about thermal throttling when gaming (never noticed an issue myself, but I'm not really much of a gamer anyway) but I presume there is some other lag to justify these comments? :confused:
[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
I've also only encountered any lag on my Nexus 10 when using Chrome....and at that, it is only a fraction of the time. I still use Chrome quite a bit, and in most instances it works quite well. I've also got Dolphin, Ocean and Firefox installed, but find myself using them less than Chrome. If the stalling / freezing in Chrome were frequent, I would stop using it altogether, but it's apparently not bad enough to make it stop using it as my daily browser.

beamed from my Nexus 10, far, far away...
[Nexus 10 General] Icyman:
2560x1600 End of discussion.
[Nexus 10 General] joe1l:
i think my only complaint about the n10 is the occasional reboot when in chrome. The only time i see lag is when its frozen and is about to reboot. Other than that it doesn't lag in anything do.
[Nexus 10 General] altimax98:
I've personally owned a host of Android Tablets, an HP Touchpad and a iPad3 here is my honest no BS advice... Take it or leave it I personally feel it is good advice.

1: Evaluate YOUR needs, not a website:

What are you going to use your tablet for? Web browsing? Low end/quick gaming or high end gaming? Do you need/want full tablet built apps? Are you a tinkerer? Does the weekend come and your device runs flawless, but your bored and load up a new ROM?

2: Evaluate YOUR budget:

The iPad is $100 more. Not much to some , but if your like me every dime counts. Also in my experience I found myself paying for more apps then on Android. A lot of the free things we have cost over there. Do you need to have 'that' case with a zillion stupid radio docks?

3: Compare Specs:

This one is the worst offender. You said that you 'need more then 32GB for movies and stuff' well honestly are you willing to fork out the $700 for a 64GB iPad? Because for me I'd rather pay $500 for a 32GB N10 & $200 for a 16GB N7 and get two devices, that serve very different needs. Everyone is so quick to diss the Nexus line for no external options, but Apple has been doing it for years and it is perfectly fine. Rate them on the same playing field. Not what 'reviewers say'. Remember reviewers, as good as some are, handle tons of different devices in a single month, they have a very different viewpoint.

All that said honestly make an appraisal of what you want, can afford, and make sure to weigh them evenly.

After all my searching this is what I've come down to personally:

Android Tablets are toys. Sadly they are not quiet at the same level as iOS devices when it comes to raw fluidity and efficiency. No Android web browser has quite the level of detail when it comes to simple things like switching tasks, pinch and zoom and scrolling web pages. Apple supports a lot of more web media then Android tablets do. I also found myself playing a lot more games on the iPad. That and browsing was pretty much all I did. But I am a tinkerer. I had it jailbroken (which is impossible to do on any new iPads) and tweaked it, but it was never Android. Want to use YOUR preferred app for web... Nope, can't, not to mention the numerous other blocks it has. I sold my iPad (to my mom of all people, those Samsung commercials are spot on since my dad just got a 4 lol) and bought a Nexus 7. Why? I am a tinkerer and I couldn't really see spending more money on a device I never quite felt was mine, and personalized to me. I also am tied into the Google ecosystem, and iOS is good, but not close and I felt so boxed in. There are a lot of things I miss from the iPad. I miss a lot of the dedicated apps like Tapatalk HD and a few others. Web browsing is a dream on iOS and it is good on Android, but not quite the same. But the pros were outweighed by the coins for me. No reviewer could ever be me, few reviewers use the device like I do. Ultimately I had to decide what was right for me.

Sorry for the long read, but hopefully it helps
[Nexus 10 General] EvoYas:
Resolution isnt everything to everyone, so you get the award for the most useless comment here.

Now on to the topic, I have an iPad 4 as well and between iPad 4 and N10, iPad is a bit, just a tiny bit smoother than N10. But, think about it, iOS is the lightest mobile OS in the market, its nothing more than a grid of icons, apps dont run in the background instead they are paused, so its not using that much cpu and ram at the same time as your N10 would be. Now the only reason why I like to have an Android device over iOS is because Android lets me use my tablet just how I would use my computer, where with iPad its all about Apple iTunes and streaming.

The displays on both are the same, not that big of a difference, yes N10 is better on the paper, but trust me its hard to tell a difference. In the end for me, I will be selling my iPad 4 now that I have my N10 and thats just because N10 works better for me than iPad.
[Nexus 10 General] sameer1807:
ipad 4 is pretty much 100% useful as a toy (for gaming and maybe videos)

Nexus 10 on the other hand offers a real tablet experience due to android os.

same with asus tf700 but the asus is getting outdated now, since N10's specs are superior.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ffortissimo:
What is the difference between the countries in the stock ROMs?

My wife and I both bought the N7100. Mine was Hungarian, hers French (according to the manuals). But both are working fine in The Netherlands with the language set to Dutch.

She's gotten the update to 1.4.2 (non-rooted ;)) and it seems to be French still (N7100XXDLL4 N7100OXADLL4).

Can I put any ROM on my (rooted) phone (N7100XXALJ1 N7100OXXALJ1), or do I need to get one from the same region?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kylec:
You can install any region firmware, though you may get a slight difference in signal strength apparently. Though if your wife is already using the French and she has no issues, go for it :)
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ffortissimo:
Thanks.

I'll try that one.

That is, if the download is working ;)
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v-b-n:
The modem is the main difference (if any) ... which you can always flash from a stock rom from your actual region over the other region's rom (if required)
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pocs10:
Hi,

I have the same question regarding this issue.

Recently my mother bought me a Note2 as a gift in Singapore.

Once I started using it, I found stock app like Singtel which is the telco in singapore, But I have no use of it.

I am currently reside in Brunei. I wish to flash everything stock without any telco apps. How should i do it?>

Thank you.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.ketan:
Download unbranded ROM from here (like Indian ROM) and flash

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1896696

If you just want to remove some application only without flashing ROM, you can use system appl remover(needs root)
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ffortissimo:
French ROM is installed with mobile ODIN and it seems to work perfectly.

The phone felt laggish, but it's getting better.

Only those damn *HUBs that came with the ROM...
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
It says it was released on December 22. It doesn't appear to have been pushed to devices yet.

I am at work so I can't check. Here is the link:

http://www.mylgphones.com/sprint-lg-optimus-g-lg-ls970-firmware-update-ls970zv9.html

It was mentioned last week that the source for the release is it already. If you missed it here is that link.

http://www.lg.com/global/support/opensource/opensource-detail.jsp

Just search for LS970 and it will pop up.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] megamaster2:
Can't get OTA yet. Will check when I get home. Also, how can I lock the phone again D:
[Sprint LG Optimus G] engine95:
Freegee will relock bootloader. Not sure about root. Maybe AIO?

Edit; The supersu app says it'll unroot, but not sure if it works.

Edit 2: Ok just checked...binary`s root has an unroot option. Not sure which version AIO was built with. Link here. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=31545627
[Sprint LG Optimus G] megamaster2:
You rock. Can I unlock if I flashed the MOD?

Also, what does this update fix?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
I am sorry but I don't have an answer for either question.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] engine95:
I think i just read in one of theses threads that fiddy? updated and lost everything. Not sure what this fixes.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] ncfastls1:
Any idea what's included in the update?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] cthedogg:
Now I'm scared to update. LOL Na I'll wait for a Jellybean Upgrade.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] stealth919:
Has any one tried to install the zip from LG just using recovery yet? Or is it not setup like that. They say you have to use the tool and your PC, but I assume thats for all the "regular" users that don't play mind games with their phones lol.

I would try it right now but I'm at work and need my phone tonight after work so can't risk bricking it tonight lol.

---------- Post added at 04:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:06 PM ----------

I downloaded the 219mb zip file straight from LG.com, but have not tried installing for above post.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] sheek360:
hopefully some body makes a flashable version for modded recoveries.

any new radios? will this fix that sms bug?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
I would flash in a heart beat if I wasn't at work. I am not scared. Nothing prevents you from making a backup first. Then again, I have insurance.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
Not detecting my phone with the update sw....
[Sprint LG Optimus G] cthedogg:
What I'm afraid of is that I won't be able to unlock it again once I update. I really need to root access to use some apps.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
ok so you have to put the device in download mode for the sw to detect the phone but once you hit start update it opens another window that times out saying problem communicating with device
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
I would try rebooting your computer.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] toprock23:
It says software update not compatible with phone model. I passed all the the previous checks. Has anyone succeeded?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] sharkboy0901:
If LG released it December 22 we have to wait around 2 weeks before sprint pushes it out.

I heard this some where so don't quote me on this ;)
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mindspin_311:
My phone is stock, tempted to try this.

On the LG website, step 1, the drivers, is that the update itself?

Also, does anyone know if this is indeed Jellybean, or something else?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
how did you get past the communicating with phone error?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
The drivers are not the update.

This is not jelly bean. This is big fixes.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] ncfastls1:
Whatever it is, I'm not doing **** until I know for a fact it won't revert my unlocked bootloader. Not taking any chances haha.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mindspin_311:
But, we dont know what exactly..

Is there any reason not to go ahead with this on a 100% stock phone?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
I can't see what it would hurt.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mindspin_311:
Seeing this message, cant quite tell if that means I am missing something, or what.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] eyeisdasteve:
Really hoping this fixes the messenger bug. That **** pisses me off. Lol.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
Put the phone in download mode

Im having no luck....i cant get past the analysis
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
That is one of the stated fixes on the gsm version. I would imagine it would apply to us too.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] GroundSkor:
I just went thru this whole procedure and even after installing drivers the LG program does not recognize my phone being plugged into USB. I also emailed LG a few days ago and received a weird response about an update. This was in the email:

"In all honestly we have not been told as of yet by Android or Google when the Optimus G will get the OS update."

"LG like you and so many others is awaiting the advent of the ICS and Jelly Bean for a number of its Handsets."
[Sprint LG Optimus G] toprock23:
I never got that error. Mind u im still running stock unrooted. I just followed the steps. Usb drivers, lg tools, download mode and everything checked ok till it actually tried to update but failed. I really don't think its pushed out yet. Its prob just a place holder for now.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mindspin_311:
That is just on the screen of the LGMobile Support tool

Havent actuall connected my phone yet
[Sprint LG Optimus G] :
Just let me know what to do to test flashable scripts once it comes out. Hopefully it fixes alot of bugs one particular android os
[Sprint LG Optimus G] networx2002:
I know the att update came out already...
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
I have the LGNPST full tot.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] engine95:
@xbox. Curious about why the Sprint version is hidden, and yet the Att is out? V8 that is. Do we PM you to get v9?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] agurzhiy:
the update for AT&T updates only Google security and digitizer responsivness while charging. Thus no need for this update
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mindspin_311:
Digitizer responsiveness... nice, I have that issue from time to time on my Sprint OG.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
It is unrootable, so to avoid confusion i haven't posted it. Although, someone could dump system and make a prerooted Rom. If anyone wants it, its at http://marcusant.com/android/epic
[Sprint LG Optimus G] engine95:
Sorry my post wasn't very clear. The ATT has had their .tot out since day 1. Sprints remains hidden. Im talking about our v7 and their v? Hope that makes better sense.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
ZV7 is at the same place. It's all at the IRC. No one put it at XDA, but it's on the same site.

http://downloads.codefi.re/thecubed/lgoptimusg/sprint/firmware/LS970ZV7_02.SV7_02.P25006.zip

Ours was actually out before theirs. Since we can't put LGNPST on XDA, it seemed logical that people would get that and the firmware at irc.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] engine95:
Ok that makes sense now. Thank you.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] ncfastls1:
If we could just get a rooted flashable rom that would be awesome. Fix for the digitizer while charging is much welcomed. Not sure how anyone could have not noticed that while beta testing the phone... It's a huge annoyance when it's plugged in.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
Well i have flashed and so far two of the issues i was having are fixed....the messaging bug that goes back to beginning is fixed and the force close when using voice to text when hitting 2 pages has been fixed as well
[Sprint LG Optimus G] stealth919:
Was your phone locked and stock and what method did you use...the instructions by LG I take it?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
I uses the tot file from xboxfan and lgnpst. I did a ##rtn# let the device reset put in download mode and flashed. My phone was rooted stock and not unlocked.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
If you could adb pull /system, that would be appreciated.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] sheek360:
Flashable zip soon?

So screen is fixed n messaging? That's awesome. New radios?
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
pulling atm
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
OK Thank you.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
V9 system pull

Part 1 http://d-h.st/yWt

Part 2 http://d-h.st/owH
[Sprint LG Optimus G] sheek360:
Awesome!
[Sprint LG Optimus G] mrjasenr:
What does this mean???
[Sprint LG Optimus G] sheek360:
The possibility of getting a flash able .zip file

I just want to know if it came with a new radio
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
I can check if he dumps it.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
Already did look a page back it says part 1 and part 2
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
It would be nice to see something flashable. The S3 launched on July 1st and had a rom and 5 mods by the 6th. It had a dozen roms 45 days out which is were we are now. At this point I would flash eclair just to say I did something with recovery to prevent it from rusting out. ;)

A new radio would be welcome too. I have great signal. I just wish I had a tad bit better wifi.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mindspin_311:
Yea, but the S3 was out in Europe a few months before that

Europe - May 29

US - July 1

Im sure some development was done during that timeframe.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
That's system not radio. I saw your system dump. Thank you.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] criptix:
Dont think i can pull radio unrooted.......
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
Oh true. I'll have to pull from the tot.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] _Epic:
Flashable ZIP! :victory:
[Sprint LG Optimus G] jblazea50:
You got a working flashable zip? That would be awesome.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] mreniigma:
Gah, so I got my OG in to download mode, with properly installed drivers and got to the update utility. Then it simply states that "This model is not compatible with update." in nice red letters.

F*** you LG. I want my bluetooth and exchange email to work, I'm not even asking for Jelly Bean.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
Umm, the Optimus G was launched in September.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
Ok, while I am at home I am going to try this update. I have literally worked 206 hours over the last two weeks. I go back in 2 hours for a 37 hour shift.

I will post my progress and let you if I had any trouble.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Mike_77:
I have installed the update yesterday with no issues.. using Windows 8 and the Automated LGNPST available in IRC.

Root doesn't work, and as far as things that do/don't work, I had no issues with ZV8, so can't tell you if anything is improved, better, or worse.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] xboxfanj:
I'm uploading a stock rooted zip. All I've added is root and the unlocked kernel so we can delete GApps if we see fit.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] sharkboy0901:
Thought it was November 11.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] kc_exactly:
It was for us. It came out before that abroad.