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[Off-topic] saranhai:
hello everyone. saw this thread and found it very interesting.

little intro: i am 16, just turned 16 a few days ago. i started developing on my first "high end at the time" Android device: the HTC Glacier. that was back when i was just 14, still in middle school, two years ago.

currently i own the Samsung Galaxy S III. very expensive phone indeed huh?

i don't see my phone as some sort of "social device" or "gaming device". no, my phone is my tool. kinda like how some people treat their cars as a tool. same deal for me. my phone is a tool i use that gets me through everyday life. my friends often ask me why i don't have any games at all on my phone, and i reply "because i don't use my phone for gaming." there are much better ways to use the 1.5 GHz Dual Core Processor.

with my phone, i'm not constantly thinking about "who texted me" or "whats going on on Facebook". i'm thinking about how i can make my phone better than it is. and how i can make that happen. that's what being a developer is IMO. if you want something that your phone can't do, then you make it happen. somehow. to be truly honest, i can say that sometimes, my phone teaches me a lot more than my teachers in school will ever teach me. i learned to have patience through the countless hours of making my phone do this or do that. i learned java and other coding languages, that my computer teacher could never teach.

coming from an Asian family, you would know that expectations for me are rather high. very high. my parents do expect me to excel do well in school. they are very strict when i comes to social life, i have not gone to a high school dance yet :p

my dad requires that i have my phone by my side at all times. if i don't pick up his call, my phone will get taken away. my family and i get in contact with each other through the phone.

one last thing: both my HTC Glacier and the Samsung Galaxy S III were free: free offers from T-Mobile. and that's the only reason why i own these two devices today. and my dad is very strict about this: i have to take care of my own device. if it breaks, it breaks, and i won't get another one. i many teens out there, when their phone breaks, they come back with a better and newer phone the next day. my dad does not have the money for that, and i am fully responsible for my own device. if it breaks, then i lose it until who-knows-when.

TL;DR

don't think of all teens as just "social bugs". there are many, in fact, quite a few in my own school, that use their smartphone as a tool, not a toy. and i don't see their grades slipping. they excel in their classes, A's all the way.

give your daughter a chance: a Nexus S, or even a Galaxy S I would be enough.

who knows, maybe she'll find a passion in Android Development, and will end up learning more than you.

-Your humble 16-year-old "developer", Saranhai
[Off-topic] XxVcVxX:
Need and want. 2 different things, yet there's a fine line between them. Adults, do you NEED a car? Can't you get up say 3 hours earlier and walk? Yes, but you want to sleep later, so car. Smartphones is just the same, nobody needs them. You say you NEED the productivity it provides in your pocket, but you can do them all on a computer back home, but you WANT the convenience of doing it on the spot. When you're an adult, it doesn't mean you have the ability to define what wants become needs, therefore, nobody needs a smartphone. End of needs discussion.

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[Off-topic] GrayBoltWolf:
I couldn't agree more. And I think you said it very well, a smartphone is also a tool. I don't play games or browse Facebook either. My phone is just a smaller and less powerful computer that is a great tool.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Unfortuantely, you are the exemption, heres is the overwhelming majority and you know it...

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[Off-topic] saranhai:
so just because the "majority" does it you're going to limit all teens from using smartphones? that doesn't seem very fair...
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
I'll limit the use of my teenage daughter. That's about all I can do.

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[Off-topic] Kronosthelordoftime:
I agree with both of you here but here's the only two things that I disagree with. It's pretty much the same thing. Games and Social Networking on a phone doesn't mean that the owner is a person wasting time and money on a phone. Social networking is again subjective to how people use it. And gaming is far from bad. Studies have shown that gaming actually helps us in ways. Check out this link and you'll see how. It's a TED link of this awesome lady named Jane McGonigal. Very inspiring.

And Facebook can help you in loads of ways too. All depends on what you use it for. Just food for thought...
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I don't think people understand the difference between need and want. I don't care how useful a smart phone is. Unless it provides food, water, or shelter, it's not needed.
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
Yes, I quoted myself. I could not have done my job effectively without it, because being at a computer 12 hours a day wasn't possible.

My son gets locked out of all apps except phone, contacts, text and alarm clock whenever he messes up with his phone. He doesn't need it. He earns it, though.

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] XxKU134xX:
The answer to the question in the title is pretty simple: read up on Karel Vašák and his theory regarding first,second and third generation rights. A smartphone happens to fall in the third category, meaning it is not essential however it's nice to have.
[Off-topic] GrayBoltWolf:
I think we have basically determined this.
[Off-topic] Kronosthelordoftime:
Indeed xDD

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[Off-topic] ironman38102:
I think we should say that Why Teens Dont Need a smartphone? Cuz we arent using the full features of the phone! Believe me I rarely use my phone to call someone! I only use it sometimes for studying purposes,Whatsapp,Xda ofcourse and rarely twitter and navigation app!
[Off-topic] bbrad:
Rewrite that in English
[Off-topic] Kronosthelordoftime:
Amen to that. I could hardly understand.

You know, smartphones improve the language of teens who tlk lik tis. C wat i meen?

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[Off-topic] vbhtt:
Haha!

Our English exam is on Saturday. I came here expecting to read English!

We also have a chapter on how sms is ruining the English language bcoz ppl tlk lyk ths.

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[Off-topic] Kronosthelordoftime:
You're writing your boards too? XD
[Off-topic] vbhtt:
Yes. I am...;)

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[Off-topic] Raymond199483:
Get him a Super Nintendo

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[Off-topic] xtreeme:
Smartphones are bad, because nowadays kids just google or wiki the anwsers on tests, thous making them actually dumber :3
[Off-topic] VaderSKN:
Odp: Why Teens Don't Need a Smartphone

I have five smartphones. Problem? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Raymond199483:
Get him a old phone that will make him happy

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[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Since when are teens allowed to use smartphones during tests? :confused: We had to hand them in for the duration back in highschool, and if you showed up with one on a Uni test you could redo the entire course.

Googling an answer is actually not all that bad. It teaches them to filter out irrelevant data and fake sources. A skill many people these days would do well to develop. If I see our national news channel cite the Daily Mail as a valid source one more time, I'm going to alert the journalistic council. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] bbrad:
I have a super Nintendo I'm 14 and I love that thing lol you don't find games like was on it anymore
[Off-topic] I r o n M a n:
All adults don't use their phones only for work and all teens don't use their phones only for play.

Lots of adults use phones for play and lots of teens use phones for work. So it's wrong to generalise

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[Off-topic] zweideutigkeit:
It depends what seed do you raise.

I just received my first smartphone, a Prada 3.0, a month ago.

I need it because i have dictionary's, which i use it for my preparation for faculty admission. And i don't deny it that i use it just for that, of curse that i use Facebook, and games...but nowadays you can't live without it, without having the information right in your pocket.
[Off-topic] jkuczy16:
Smartphones do not make teens dumb, it's how teens use them. If a kid sits on twitter/instagram/ etc all day and doesnt focus on school then yeah that could make them dumb. I have a smartphone and i am in the top 10% of my class of 400+ so obviously me having a smartphone doesnt make me dumb. It actually helps me whenever i am confused and a textbook or teacher is not around. My little rant
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
And it gives you stuff to do during your breaks and when you aren't studying

I mean if you are top 10% in your class, you should have no problem with checking facebook twitter or xda during your free time

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[Off-topic] jkuczy16:
Which is exactly my point. When i get all my work done in school and i have some free time, lunch or study hall, i will actually use it to check twitter and xda. There are kids in my school that are constantly on their phones and that explains why they are struggling and in all regents classes and while i enjoy ap courses and do well. I can't reiterate this enough that it is how teens use their smartphones which causes adults to think they shouldnt have them.

Thank you for understanding
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Lol. I might get 1 assignment done in 1 or 2 study halls, each 45 minutes long, because I'm always on my kindle. But I still get straight A's, so...
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
....imagine how much more you can do if you weren't distracted by your Kindle?

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Get higher A's? I learn everything I'm taught and usually remember it. There's no need for me to study really. Plus, because of my kindle, I've began learning java and android development. :D
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Good point. I assume you are going to college. Depending what you are going to study, this will be a bad habit to have. You will not breeze thru all your classes in college. But, i think you will do just fine.

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[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Its not like your playing angry birds...

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---------- Post added at 10:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 PM ----------

I has 6 AP classes with all As right now

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Well...

Actually, recently I've been using AIDE to code my app while I'm at school. Pretty handy app...
[Off-topic] Hidden Username:
Maybe some more of those English classes would help.......
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
I know my English; I just don't apply it. :P

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[Off-topic] Devil Jr:
all persons need a phone or more

So you know
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
GET OUT NOW

make 10 useful posts out of off topic and then come back

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[Off-topic] Devil Jr:
Thaks, now Im at 4...
[Off-topic] iKoolkid:
Go. To. Hell.
[Off-topic] blmvxer:
When I was 15 I got my first smartphone. The palm pre, I became instantly intrigued with this mysterious device and the os its built upon. Then I began programming and studying.

For me it was an eye opener.
[Off-topic] Doc Cause:
Who gives a **** really. If your parents can afford a smartphone great... if not tough ****. I never had a cellphone until my senior year and I paid for it my self. But I love my phone now... And yes I play games, go on Facebook and all that other stuff. Why? Because I can. So why shouldn't a teenager be allowed to enjoy those things as well if the parent is fortunate enough to afford it. My parents didn't have the money to get me a phone when I was younger (and smartphones didn't exist.) but if they could of I would of been like **** yeah. It's a parents discretion if their kid is responsible enough to own a smartphone and saying NO teen should have one is ridiculous even though a few probably shouldn't.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
@^^^ Who ever said no teen should have a smart phone?
[Off-topic] Hidden Username:
The OP. He plans on world domination and imposing the "teens should have no cell phones" rule
[Off-topic] iKoolkid:
I know a few rich girls, like dad's a doctor and goes on a month long trip through every country in europe including a cruise in the Mediterranean rich (no racism, but they are rich white people like Mitt Romney), and what angers me the most is they have iPhones. And don't need need them. All they do is text and gossip and play stupid games like temple run, and my anger actually stems from the fact they are using iPhones. That is too stereotypical for rich kids.
[Off-topic] InfinityFTW:
My litter sister have an iPhone. Nothing wrong about that. The thing that's wrong is that she uses it to take pictures of her self. That's it. WHY DONT SHE BUY A FRICKING CAMERA?!

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[Off-topic] spitfire2425:
Why don't we list why adults don't need smart phones... Crap like this is why your kids hate you.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
When did kids begin hating adults? :confused:
[Off-topic] GrayBoltWolf:
When they started thinking that all teenagers shouldn't have smartphones.
[Off-topic] plznote:
You are one spoiled sonofabitch. Smartphones are common, but that doesn't mean a child is entitled to them. Stuff like this is why so many people have debt problems because they don't understand the value of money. Don't be stingy, but don't be extravagant.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
OK, to appease the poor teenagers android needs, we all must provide the essential tool of a smartphone. If you lost your job, barley making ends meet, no excuse parents. Ring up them credit cards, rob a liquor store, do what every it takes! No teen shall lack on facebook, temple run, or Tapatalk no more!

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[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
Exhibit A for the opposition.
[Off-topic] CnC-ROCK:
why teens dont need a smartphone?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

adults dont need smartphones. i bet 70/100 adults wont even know how to install a apk with package installer. they wont even know the name of OS running their phone. They dont even know what mobile they use. To them black colored Motorola or white color Samsung phone is the model name, asking what company iPhone the other bought. Ask then what android version their phone is running they will say 4.0.4 or 2.3.3 they will never even know that it is ICS or gingerbread.

About the article. The article is about your teen does not need an iPhone and not your teen does not need a smartphone. Clearly you are a adult and as i said earlier that adults lack info. iPhone is no smartphone it is failphone.

You said:

"I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games."

1. Dont tell me you dont access facebook or twitter from your phone:rolleyes:

2. Games are not stupid. People who think games are stupid are stupid.

If you open of profiles of developers be it android or windows, etc. you will see that most of them are about 16 or 17, many are about 20-25 and very less are "adults with teens". That knowledge was bestowed upon them by God or opening facebook and twitter and playing stupid games seems to teach them development right? NO. They know how to do it because they were given smartphones and they picked up interest in development. Even if some teen is not a developer it does not mean that he/she does not deserve a smartphone. Smartphones can be useful in many other ways. You can contact your friend for some doubt-solving on the night before exam, etc. What you said is like you should be given water to drink but not allowed urinate because then you will have to flush or clean the toilet the next day. Everything has its own pros and cons. Here the pros are more so why not give your teen a phone?

What use do adults have of smartphone if they are not smartphone enthusiast/techie/developer/or need to work on the go? It is a waste of money to get smartphones for adults ( :banghead: excluding the adult developers on XDA..).So now quit reading and get a f*cking smartphone for your kid.
[Off-topic] Gogeta:
CnC u rock man!!!!!:D:D

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[Off-topic] m4RinKo2:
I agree with you. I am 13 years old. I dont play games (some for fun). I dont have facebook. I have two ports of roms. I better understand in android then my bro that has 27 years (and he also have smartphone). He knows better in PC. This is my first smartphone which I have half year and I paid it 25$ (new one). And also I have good grades in school and I am not fat and I go out to play. Goodbye.
[Off-topic] CnC-ROCK:
I never said that teens need phone for basic reasons.

Every adult driving a car knows what a spark plug is.. They might know about engine though.. I never said that all adults don't deserve smartphones. I said it is waste of money for most adults hardly use any feature of phone and yet buy Note or S3 but won't buy their kids a phone. If they use the features then it is ok.

But the point of my post was teens should be given smartphones if parents can afford it and if the child.won't do something with it to get some serious trouble. Your point that teens "must" necessarily not be given the phone is correct though.:thumbup:

Smartphones can be bought ay lisp prices. Almost at those equal to dumbphones so why not get smartphone for same price.

About apple. They may be the ones because of whom got these phones but I hate the company for 1 simple reason: Steve Jobs. Had mind his own work and would have not said about going on a thermonuclear war against android I would not have hated apple or call iPhone as iPhail
[Off-topic] ironman38102:
True i liked what iphone made until they started sue android like a baby for just making a smartphone look like iphone!
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
Thread is proof that teens take themselves way too seriously, vastly overestimate their importance to the world and have much to learn ;)
[Off-topic] CnC-ROCK:
And even that adults under estimate importance teens. We are here to replace the oldies:p:screwy:
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
teens wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our valiant efforts! :p:D
[Off-topic] ironman38102:
In my family no one knows about android hacking or development or even basic porting! Only Im the one who almost knows everything! Feeling like a boss!
[Off-topic] hawkm:
The main thing about buying a teen a smartphone to me boils down to these few points:

Do you trust your kid?

What would they use on the phone? Why not just give them a dumbphone and a iPod Touch/Galaxy Player?

What will be his/her punishment if they get in trouble using it?

Will you make them pay for it?

That being said, if you trust your teen enough that they will still pay attention in class, then I see no harm. (That's one thing I told my parents when they gave me one. I don't use my phone in class unless it's for a calculator or study hall.)

Does your teen like computer, technology, coding, etc? Would they use apps and capabilities that a smartphone has to offer? (Calendar, using the phone to port apps?) This could be a way of teaching him/her new things about organization or even learning to code.

The other two speak for themselves.

(Yes, I am a teenager, so maybe my opinion is biased. :p )
[Off-topic] johan23:
Well just bought them a cheap one. there is many cheap android phone nowadays.
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It all depends on what sort of person is getting the smart phone. It might be better for some people than it is for others.
[Off-topic] CnC-ROCK:
ten poster:mad::mad:you are not allowed to post in OT sections without getting your first 10 posts. read the rules.
[Off-topic] sohamssd:
About time someone said this:rolleyes: thanks.

just because you hate a phone doesn't mean its bad. My grandmother uses an iPhone because she likes it and finds it more user friendly than android. I like android more than iOS. That in no way makes iOS ****e. Its what you like.

Its time we became mature about apple and iPhone. :thumbup:

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[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
If you go about saying 'I should have it because adult dont need it either' in whichever variant thereof, your opinion is immediately invalid.

If you act like a spoiled brat, you opinion is immediately invalid.

If you can't be bothered to use proper grammar, your opinion is equally invalid.

If you hate an iphone because of the producing company or its target group, you're worse than the people using it. There is nothing wrong with the iPhone, it's just not your preference. Try to act like you're above 12, not below it.

If you demand adults to 'shut up and buy their kids smartphones' no matter what, you'd do well to improve the genepool by removing yourself from it.

Ad if you can't even manage to read the ' no posting in off topic with less than 10 posts' rule, the previous applies.
[Off-topic] CnC-ROCK:
If you can't spell properly then your opinion is invalid.

If you can't read your opinion is invalid.

If you don't hate iPhone your opinion is invalid.

If you think that somebody's statement violates any rule of English grammar but it actually does not then your opinion is invalid.

How about that now?
[Off-topic] GrayBoltWolf:
I think both of you broke the maturity rule.
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Can't be is 2 words

Friendship is magic
[Off-topic] stratosk21:
Pls no flaming here.
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
You children never heard of a "typo"?

The lack of reasoning ability used by nearly all who advocate for the wanton giving of smartphones to teens is quite frightening.

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] CnC-ROCK:
you adult ever heard of pointing out mistakes?:rolleyes:all i was doing was pointing out his mistake...so relax. calm down and sit back
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
Of course I have. That's not what you were doing. I'd try to further reason with you, but I don't think your brain has developed enough to understand. I'm guessing you're 15. In 10 years, this will all make more sense to you.

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] Pat.:
But you didn't point out ALL of the mistakes like "gene pool" ETC so it just makes you look as daft :D
[Off-topic] adytum:
I hate that threads can't be removed from the "participated" tab of Tapatalk.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I deserve a smartphone as much as an adult. There. Now...

Thread closed
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
But... do you NEED it? ;)

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Lol. Seeing as I don't have one, no. ;)
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
I think tablets apply to the same philosophy. Only differences are size and phone calls.

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Well, I NEED a tablet. How else could I check xda at school? ;)
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
At least you present a "need".

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Your on a smartphone forum without a smartphone? That's new...

Friendship is magic

Whoever corrects my grammer dies
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I'm on an *Android* and *Windows* forum...
[Off-topic] Zeuscluts:
Showoff
[Off-topic] 404-Not Found:
Wait, if you develop a ROM for a Kindle Fire, then don't you have a Kindle Fire? I mean I find it quite hard to develop something for a object if you don't have the object.
[Off-topic] sy224048:
She means she has it and that's why she has it. Because she needs it.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
She? :confused:
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
Hahaha. Even people outside the frat know of your "change"

-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Yet it seems nobody knows of my "unchange". :(:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] bbrad:
Why is people still posting in this thread?