yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] StephenMilone:
this rom is FAST. geez. however it appears to be unstable on my phone. in the 30 or so hours I've been using it I've had screen freezes (and battery pulls) twice and random reboot once. I didnt tweak any CPU/kernel settings that would cause this, everything was left alone in that sense.

Also Tasker constantly force closes on this rom, no idea why, i've used the same version / profiles on other 4.2.2 roms and it's been fine. any thoughts?

Here is the info on Tasker I found out - can the dev please advise on this commit they reference?

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tasker/8uq0dDJjNIA

http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/30294/

thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
:)

Sorry I missed you on IRC. Hit or miss depending on what I am doing.

I want a little more testing and then probably add.

Tasker issue is likely due to Graphite optimizations. It has been removed. Graphite is good in theory, but breaks everything! Google Now and amazon store as 2 big examples.

Also I think you will benefit from changing kernels. There is no 1 size fits all 3rd party kernel. Different phones run different kernels differently. I like Leankernel, but... it's just not for everyone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] loudaccord:
Wow, I was on PA for a looong time and just made the switch last night. I wanted to find some lag... or a feature I was missing, but I couldn't! In fact... I was thinking, battery must suck or something, but I got 3+ hours of screen on time which included talking on the phone for 40 min while sending emails at the same time! That's the best I've done so far. Thank you for this awesome ROM!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] StephenMilone:
when you say it has been removed that means the next build should be good in that regard?

and yeah I switched to AK Kernel and have been much more stable, good call.

thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Yes indeed

:D Thank you
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] searius:
Hi guys!

I can not hear the other people when I make a call.The voice is so low.

Can I change anything from the setting to fix this problem, because this is a deal breaker for me ?

I just found the solution.If you try to have the max volume frome the volume button there is like a safe option that disable the max volume.

You just need to push one time the volume down and voila everything is ok! ;-P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Audio overhaul in next build.... Im upping now
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Milestone 5 is up
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oopstairs:
downloading, coming from Vanir Nightly :highfive:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mohawk3:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - Milestone 5/B42 3/3/13

I'm really liking milestone 5 so far (flashed around 4 am). So far I haven't experienced lag yet while having pie on. This has happened with me on another ROM.

Pie does tend to disappear visually occasionally, but comes right back if I restart Nova launcher.

The tablet ui is great for full screen pie since you still get notification pop ups in the lower right corner.

I do have to manually select capital i when typing as the stock keyboard wants to make it lower case by default. I will try to add the capital i in my user dictionary to see if that helps.

I'm using AK 731 with max clock of 920.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Capital I bug is annoying, each time we fix google releases another keyboard update that overrides that dictionary.

_____________________

B43 is up
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

B43 running great... Did have one issue earlier today but hasn't happened since. After ending call my screen was blk and had to pull battery to get phone to respond. No probs since....Thanx for a great rom.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Sounds kernel related?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Def thought same thing running lean 6.1.1 that comes wit ROM. Changing some settings to see if I can resolve without changing kernels first. Thanx DHO love commotio been running since B37ish from goo. One of my favs for sure.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tattedupboy:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

I just flashed this ROM. I thought I saw that this ROM had the PIE control built in. Where the heck is it in the settings?

Edit: never mind, I found it under display options. Not very intuitive, but it works.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Under display in settings
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

pie seems a little finicky on all ROMs. That I've tried. Im not really a fan I love soft keys
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] staticx57:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Am i correct in guessing that the fancy camera went away in B43? In fact when i flashed it i had no camera or gallery at all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oopstairs:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Do i need to flash gapps everytime i dirty flashing vanir nighties by DHO?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] n0ve:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Yes

Commotio no but the vanir nighties yes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Yes, I am trying to figure out a way to include the Photosphere camera/gallery, but it is very resistant. See te addons for a flashable.

As correctly answered above, yes for vanir
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] staticx57:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Tapatalk conveniently hid the addons section from me. Doh. Still a great ROM!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ac1680:
After trying out others ROM, I have to say this is the fastest, stable ROM Vanir nightly for me. Can you add some suggestion additional setting below, that would make this a perfect ROM for me.

Suggestions:

Features from XenonHD ROM,

- optional for traditional style(cm style power widgets)

- power menu and screen off tile in quick setting

- date for the clock setting

- colours setting for battery, signal and lock screen clock

Features from Carbon ROM,

- app short cuts setting on notification pull down screen

- 8 lock screen rings.

Hope to see it on your next nightly......great works

Thank you,

For Maguro Vanir nightly

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] n0ve:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B43 3/12/13

Hi

Vanir is the base of the Rom ... DHO has his personal take on it / builds it to his liking aka commotio. Any request should be made on the main Vanir thread and please only ask nicely.

Edit: didn't see your sig.. Getting confusing with the threads and mirrors but... Yah
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Thank you n0ve and everyone else who has been helpful while I was MIA this week, there are a few things going on that are taking priority,... BUT I still have a brand new Commotio, HYBRYD, and Vanir nightlies all going to the servers. So lots of goodies as a reward for a little patience.

Also since this is the only thread on XDA I ensure to read ever post, Vanir questions/requests are encouraged. @ac1680

Some of those are in the pipeline for all Vanir based ROMs, some I did not know about,.. but I think are worth exploring.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] loudaccord:
Woohoo... In for B44 :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Replacement phone coming today...!! What a pleasant surprise. Thanx DHO
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Just flashed last night, and set up this morning. So far, smooth and clean. Thinking about underclocking, if the performance stays this good
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] branedamig:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

So, I'm a bit confused. Are gapps baked in or can I flash gapps after flashing the ROM? I don't want to give up photosphere and like the current gapps package. Thanks!

Sent from my ATOMic Gnex on Tap2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nyjohn:
I'm pretty sure that you could flash any gapps on top of this but you may have some duplicate apps due to some apps named differently, in which case you could just delete one. DHO can correct me if Im wrong though.

and yes gapps are baked into the rom.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] branedamig:
Yeah, DHO actually answered me on Rootz and basically said the same thing you did. Thanks for your response. I am gonna give his baked in Gapps a shot and flash the photosphere add-on since his version has HDR built into the camera. Hopefully, that way, I will get to take advantage of both options.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ogpowell:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Best ROM ever! Running w/AK diamond...just the best, THE best
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] n0ve:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

@DHO idk if you got my pm but all clear as you see on the sprint tools. Love having it built in into settings. Small fc only if user doesn't have the folder defaulted as advanced prl but that's normal(sure ya knew) lol. Commotio 44 have a few reports most possibly the phone will compare asap. Thx for banging out both builds stay up dr. smoothrom ;p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

B45 is up on Goo...paired wit lean 6.3. Wow...feels super fast and smooth. Thanx again for a great rom....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MBQ_:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

This freaking ROM rocks.

Sorry for the useless post. But seriously, me gusta
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Any changelog? I'm mobile, so all clicking the banner does is bring up the graphic
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] branedamig:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

I see you on AK all the time. Nice to see you here.

For the rest of this community, this comment from MBQ comes from a guy who knows what he's talking about. He also builds a version of Xylon ROM that's known to be pretty sweet. Props to DHO for this smoking hot and smooth ROM!

Sent from my Commotio Gnex with AK Kernel on Tap2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] modernbummer:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

It is cool seeing a dev praise another dev's ROM. And I wholeheartedly agree. I can't seem to move away from Team Vanir.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] branedamig:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Build 45 was in a different place on Goo instead of under Toro. It's running well for you? Any noticeable differences?

Sent from my Commotio Gnex with AK Kernel on Tap2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Ran into an interesting issue, in 45.

All of my messaging contact pictures (which are either synced from Google, or g+), and any pictures I tried to send via messaging or share on plus became totally pixilated (a shown). That's a far as I got, before restoring 44, but the thence seems to be that anything transmitted frags. I didn't test over wifi. But, I don't think it's a cell data issue.

I did clear data in messaging, to no avail. This was a completely clean flash, with no mods, and nothing beyond quick toggles setup and apps and messages restored.

I'm going to reflash this evening. But, has anyone else run into this?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] modernbummer:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Same here.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Yup same issue here as well...I'm sure DHO will fix and update. You can always jus back to B44 which didn't have that issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Already there. There is a reason why I'm anal about my nandroids
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Yup same here ...:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MBQ_:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Thanks for those kind words man! Put a smile on my face. Haha :)

This ROM is flying dude. I have about 65 or so apps on my phone, with a good amount running in the background, and it is still performing. This ROM is undoubtedly one of the best out there.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] branedamig:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

You running build 45 or 44? I presume you're running it with AK diamond 33 or higher (assuming you're a team tester)?

Sent from my Commotio Gnex with AK Kernel on Tap2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MBQ_:
45, paired with 033... no new test version yet. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

DHO, you might wanna look at this, if you haven't seen it. I can't imagine an unprompted su would be very likely, but..

https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/YpJaDwsSPsX
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] n0ve:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

45 Is flying w ak diamond 33. ;). Finally bulked up no more lean kernel ...ramdisk will have to deal with it lull

---------- Post added at 05:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:51 AM ----------

I believe i saw a commit on vanirs page but good looking out man...personally I'd never think of uids regarding security ..(as expressed in link)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Sorry guys I was MIA for a little

I had a big board exam over the weekend and had to shift some focus... I didn't even update the post for B45.

I am testing a ton of stuff for B46. @Txwolf1980 I cannot replicate that on my current build, so it looks fixed. We merged a commit a few days ago about MMS image size so looks resolved.

Barring the unforseen or a buggy build. I plan on a release tomorrow for toro, toroplus, grouper, maguro, tilapia, manta. Possibly Mako.

For those of you who look at our gerrit/git there is really exciting things happening. Like merging beyond 4.2.2 to android master, which has been very time consuming, but some nice butter hidden in the commits.

Also a shameless plug. I need more cloudspace and I am liking Copy better than dropbox. Try it out with this link and help me get 5GB more space (up to 250GB free)

https://copy.com?r=dLuBP3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B44 3/24/13

Funny. I saw something about that on plus today. I'll give it a shot.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Cool, it is also worth noting when you sign up using someone else link and confirm it, you also get an addition 5GB of storage (so 10GB to start)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
B46 is up.

It should resolve any photo issues prospectively,... in other words it may not retroactively fix funky photos
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MBQ_:
Re: [ROM]{4.2.2_r1}(Linaro optimized) Commotio/Vanir - B46 4/3/13

Oh yeah, that was weird. Hahhaha

Couldn't snapchat any girls. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] loudaccord:
Sweeeeet... giving B46 a go
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] modernbummer:
You will enjoy it :beer:.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] heath2805:
+1 Awesome build DHO!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cubarican84:
Nightlies been friggin rock solid. Running on my Gnex and Nex10
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] melp57:
Is there a N7 version of this ROM?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Been running dho's latest for 4 days and super fast /super solid as usual ...gallery fixed on recent B46 update. Thanx

Would love to see a brightness toggle or slider. It is very useful when in diff lighting through out the day. Thankx again
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] modernbummer:
I missed that as well until I started using Lux: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vitocassisi.luxlite

I hardly ever worry about brightness anymore.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Yup have def tried that app... I jus prefer it to be baked in. Either via toggle( then set 3-4 diff %) or slider. Thanx tho. Im sure it will be added eventually. Jus makes sense...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] t1.8matt:
Been running this ROM for 2 days now and its great. I love that i haven't had any lag yet. One thing that would be great to see is long press to unlock to use in conjunction with maximize widgets on the lockscreen. Great work though as usual DHO.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Lux looks pretty cool

I have found that in settings --> brightness --> Adjust: helps out. I find normal room light is around 200-250 lux and that perhaps could use some more steps under that range.

HYBRYD B32 is out... another one of my ROMs,.. AOKP based

Vanir nightlies sooon.

New HYBRYD def this weekend. I am testing a bunch of updates :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cubarican84:
Been running your night lies on both Manta and Toro. Only thing is I've experienced a couple Browser bugs. First, when hitting the back button, 90% of the time it doesn't respond correctly and instead reloads the present page. Second, when clicking links on certain websites, such as on profootballtalk.com, it doesn't open. The only way they will open is to select the "open in new tab" option. Weird i know. Weirder is i get the same issues using Chrome or ASOP Browser. Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DHO:
Is this with toro, or only Manta?

Manta should force tab mode in stock browser and any others that support it. Maybe I need to change the overlay for the back key?

Let me know and I will look into it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Txwolf1980:
Looks like 47 is up on goomanager. Grabbing it now
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] error0327:
Hi all ,

today i upgrade my Samsung Galaxy SIII to 4.1.1 from 4.0.4

and my problem is when using my iPhone earphones that i like , and used to use "just comfortable to my ears .."

they was not fully work with my galaxy "the volume buttons was not working " , but the answer button was working + mic and earphones ...

and now mic don't work with it any more ...

i double check the issue withe other earphones , and with another Samsung galaxy that still on 4.0.4 .

any idea ? or solution ??
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Its due to Apple suing Samsung i am afraid .

jje
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingconnought:
Maybe someone has created a patch?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skander1998:
Probably Samsung giving little kicks to apple.. lol.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] error0327:
LOL

LOL , OK get the idea so Samsung don't like apple product any more , but i don't like the default Samsung earphones , they not comfortable :(

,any idea if any one create a patch for that or something ...

please i don't have money for new earphones
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silvermn:
hello there,

i have a Galaxy Tab 2 P3100, i want to upgrade my tablet to JB,but in my region i just have the ICS 4.0.4!

can i install the firmware from other regions?

if i do that what happen?

i just want to do that without rooting my tablet!

is there any suggestion?

i got that i can change my region in the phone! (i'm not sure!) if i do this one,what happen then?

thanks for ur answers:)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aftablonely786:
U can absolutely flash firmware from any other regions...

U vl just get some extra apps that is locally for that regions...

Download rom from Sammobile.com

Flash using Odin...

If u dunno, just google it...
[HTC One X] Gerolamos:
Hi!

I'm trying to install Clockwork recovery mod 5.8.4.0 on my HOX+. I've unlocked etc and flashed it to the device successfully. Now when I go to recovery it shows the HTC screen and then the phone turns itself off. even after multiple attempts, nothing...

Any tips/tricks?

Is it the HBOOT version maybe? I have 1.35.0000
[HTC One X] TToivanen:
You might want to post here.
[General Topics] nightwalkerkg:
Hi,

Wee need a good developers to try and port CM9 to AlcatelOT990. We really need your help !
[HTC One V] CarelMaes:
Hi,

I recently changed from sense to cm10, I had some troubles because the boot wasn't working, but after replacing it everything was fine. Now that I have this sweet mod, it feels like using a completely different phone. A newer, better phone. But I still got some issues I'd like to ask you all about.

I can't use my camera anymore, whenever I open up my camera, this error pops up; ' Insert an SD card before using the camera ', my SD card is mounted correctly, and is recognised by my phone. I used to still be able to check my gallery from the SD, but now it's just plain black and empty. I've had some other applications telling me I needed my SD card for old saved conversations. I tried unmounting it, remounting it. Unmounting it, physically removing it, and remounting it again. But nothing works. I've heard formatting it to fat16 might do the trick but I tried both on OSX and my bootcamp windows plus on another computer, none recognises my phone or the SD card.. I have no idea why it isn't being recognised, as the physical USB connection is there because my phone is charging up. Next to having some connection refused problems with my browsers, I have no problems with the cm10 mod what so ever.

I hope someone might enlighten me.

Thank you.
[HTC One V] Paresh Kalinani:
Try another ROM!

Try another ROM and post the results..:rolleyes: Problem didn't occur with my phone..... Try myONEv RC7.0fx+ ROM...:) You'll love this super fast Sense 4.1!
[HTC One V] mysi:
I think you had a bad flash
[HTC One V] CarelMaes:
Thank you for replying, but I'm not looking for another sense ROM. I like the stock android.

I'd like to try the formatting of the SD, but can anyone tell me hwo to get acces to it with my computer as it's not being recognised.
[HTC One V] idroid2324:
Try another sd card, if you face d same problem then d card reader of ur phone is spoilt or also try inserting ur sd card on sum other device, if it doesn't work there then ur sd card is spoiled.
[HTC One X] alobiedy:
hey

I have HTC One X with CID ORANG001 Unlocked & Rooted how can I update to Jelly Bean and I am not In UK ???

Thank You ...
[HTC One X] matt95:
you need the proper firmware to be able to update to JB, you have to wait for that
[HTC One X] alobiedy:
Thank You matt95
[Milestone XT720 General] thugz_hustlaz:
I have rooted my Motoroi xt720(korean ver) supposedly to Overclock it. I tried the application Motomizer then came accross with an option to upscale the resolution from 240dpi to 220dpi(not my goal but i still tried it), after did these changes the phone requested for a reboot. When the phone went off, it's just doing a bootloop on the SK telecom logo. I tried camera mode key+gallery key+power button but this does not show the recovery screen to do a hard reset. Is Flashing the the phone to stock ROM the only way to fix it, if so where can i download the SBF file? Thanks in advance.......
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbucks911:
got my n4 a little over a week ago and ive noticed terrible battery life when gaming games that i would not consider graphic intensive, like hill climb racing. the phone also gets a little hot but thats to be expected. the physical battery seems ok. but the battery life im talking about is like 40% of the battery drained for about 15 minutes of gaming, which seems crazy excessive. i even tried factory resetting, disabling sync and location reporting, blocked the maps autostarts, and having only the stock apps plus the one game, all to no avail. the screen on times also seems to be really low compared with some people. ive tried this on stock, xylon, and xylon with faux kernel and all about the same results. is anyone elses battery like this because it seems like theres an issue and im debating about whether i should RMA it or not
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
Use eco mode and lower max GPU clock to 200 or 128. That's what I use for NFS.

Forgot to mention snake charmer and lower your voltages too.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbucks911:
thanks i'll try that