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[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
True, thing is there are plenty of mods you can do yourself without putting a rom on
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
1. No need to be

2.spent $362 for a phone not a hackable "toy"

3.pure android is better than any skin/launcher

4.I've got other things to worry about

5.If I did root,why?
[Nexus 4 General] daern:
Unless, for example, you want to sync your clock from an internet time source (very useful indeed!), or use some advanced functionality from a VPN client.

Think you're on the wrong forum, in that case...

Who said anything about skins and launchers. Weren't we discussing root?

Ref answer 2 above

Ref answer 1 above
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should,..is it a statement to root your phone? The bandwagon is getting overloaded,
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I still say do yourself a favor and unlock the bootloader right when you get the phone. Why? Because you may change your mind later, and if you do and your bootloader is locked say goodbye to your data. Most stuff can't be backed up without root and you can't root with a locked bootloader. Also there are other advantages than just custom roms:

1. Faster updates. When Google announces the next version of android, they'll start to roll it out but it could take 3 days to reach your device. If your unlocked and rooted, someone on xda typically posts a cwm flashable right away so you can have it right away

2. Mods. There's a lot of nice mods and tweaks people will post, ie flash support, better keyboard options, unlocking stuff Google has hidden from aosp, but if your unrooted and locked, your not doing any of that.

3. Custom Kernals. Let's face it, 4.2 blows. I got it on my Nexus 7 and performance and battery life leave a lot to be desired. A lot of developers have already come up with kernels that address these issues but if your locked your just waiting.

I think the benefits just outweigh keeping it locked. And should it break, re locking is cake. Just do it!
[Nexus 4 General] daern:
Interesting comment, but I'd still encourage you to go and have a look at some of the cool things you can do with Android. Many work perfectly on unmodified devices, some need root access, some may require a custom ROM but to just close the door on making changes to your device means that you may miss out on genuinely useful functionality. Of course, if you're happy with what the device does out of the box, noone will make you root - it's a gloriously free world in Nexus-Android-Land :)

And, after all, if we'd have wanted to be told what we can and cannot do with our devices, we'd have probably bought iPhones ;)
[Nexus 4 General] Matt1408:
VERY useful? How accurate do you need your clock to be? Do you work at CERN and need your phone to be synced with the atomic clock or something?

The phone already supports time sync via network and I never even need to set my clock, ever, even with daylight savings. Even if the phone didn't support network time, how painful is it to set your clock once every 6 months?
[Nexus 4 General] crachel:
I agree with you re: unlocking right away, but your point here isn't quite right. No root is required for CWM flashable zips or even flashing images directly from Google. Unlocked bootloader is all you need.
[Nexus 4 General] kresk:
I think about rooting from time to time, but I'm too afraid of ruining my phone. I planned on practicing with my Nexus S but it died before I got the chance.
[Nexus 4 General] spacecasespiff:
I think its a good thing to at least unlock the boot loader. Never know. Rooting is good for the little things that you might want to do that you can't without root. I don't mind if you talk about Roms that's part of rooting. The thing is I think that's a great option for people that just want more from android. Me I'm very happy with what android is right now. Look at what they have added to android over the last few updates. I thought we would never see any type of toggles. They see what Roms and launcher are doing and they have added a few features from those, maybe not what you want but they are as adding things none the less. Roms have bugs and they always will. For me its to many bugs. They do a great job at what they do , I could not do what they do even a little bit. But to read about how many of you are not doing Roms it says something about the current state of android. Android is finally at that point that I'm truly impressed with it.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Well at any rate unlocking when you receive is a good idea because you leave your options open. Keep it locked you still have options but your loosing your data, and that's a fact!
[Nexus 4 General] lilredstang:
All stock just waiting for stable CM to hit the shelf and than its on like donkey kong, I just have to much to lose on the my phone if it hits the fan but stock on the nexus is much better than anything out there.
[Nexus 4 General] tweaked:
I root because I want access to my OS. I also like to use Ad removal and other root specific tools. I like to theme, and I like to Dev stuff.

I am on this site because of the above. Why else even visit this site? Without root, what can anyone here help you with, or you help them with, or what can you dev on your device? .....

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[Nexus 4 General] Eric-1987:
Ruin your phone? How do you expect to ruin your phone? You know its like giving administrator rights on a windows based PC right? Its just that simple.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
Bricking ever come to mind?
[Nexus 4 General] smithwicks:
This is my work phone, and I have run into issues with Good for enterprise after rooting.
[Nexus 4 General] Doggonit:
I'm, simply put, scared to root. Everybody says that 1-click rooters will brick your phone, and even that seems inordinately complex to me. I tried to read through the manual unlocking instructions and it's absolutely terrifying. I am sure I will brick my phone. I don't want that.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
Really. I've been using Android phones for a while(since Eclair) and have helped develop and test many different ROMs and kernels for different devices. Alot of people brick their devices because they don't have any idea what they are doing. I personally am tired of being a flashaholic. I intend on keeping my Nexus stock.......for a long while anyway. You have to think about the fact that with the Nexus 4 popularity this time around it's getting into hands that find the phone intimidating enough as it is...Now you want to help these people gain root access? This is how devices get bricked.

My personal advice is this: You already own a Nexus 4, one of a few devices with the best Android software available. Keep in mind most roms available are "nightlies" as in NOT stable. Things don't work. There's bugs. Enjoy stock for a while until CM10.1 gets a stable or milestone build. Otherwise it's not worth the hassle for me.

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You must read, read, read......then re-read. Then when you have fully prepared yourself mentally and physically follow step by step the instructions in the proper order. Of course you check and re-check your steps along the way. It's a lot to look at from a distance but you must focus on one step at a time..It goes much easier.

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And rooting and rom for the Nexus is achieved pretty easily at least in comparison to other phones(everything you need is all in the toolkit). Just ask anybody with an HTC phone how "easy" it was to get root :)
[Nexus 4 General] partylikeaninjastar:
The only reason why I haven't rooted yet is because I'm waiting for more stable ROM releases. It's hard going back to stock after having a taste or CM or AOKP.
[Nexus 4 General] Eric-1987:
From rooting? Really? I don't think so.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
You can't brick a phone by installing a custom rom, or rooting. The only way to brick is if you flash a bootloader and it doesn't flash right. Yeah you can improperly flash roms and cause boot loops but if you can access fastboot, then you can get yourself out of any mess.

With rooting simply put your just flashing the superuser apk to the system apps folder so you have super user permissions and can make changes to the system. Simple as that, no risk of bricking.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
So you're going to list a few reasons how people can brick their phone yet end it all with "its as simple as that". Bravo!
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I really don't understand what you're saying.
[Nexus 4 General] lunzi88:
I have yet to see anyone bricked their phone due to rooting.

Mine hasn't arrived yet, but once it does, you can be sure that the bootloader will be unlocked and it will be rooted with either CWM or TWRP flashed to it within 20mins of me tearing open the box. :D
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
A headache! Samsungs and nexus devices are cake, got 10 minutes? HTC... Well hope you have an evening free, maybe 2. Worst part is you unlock the bootloader, you install a custom recovery, and your only half way there because they have another hurdle: "Security", also known as S-on/S-off. You can nearly do anything with s-on expect flash kernels through recovery and flash bootloaders. Gaining s-off is easy on some devices, for my Flyer just flash a program called "revolutionary" and it takes care of it for you. On my vivid however not so easy. You gotta use something called "Junopeterbear", and it involves running a program on your pc and connecting the phone in download mode and connecting a wire to the emmc and battery terminal to short out the emmc. Guarding the emmc is a panel that says "void".

Really only buy an HTC if you don't care about custom roms, don't care about android updates, and love HTC Sense. Because they aren't developer devices, they are for teeny hoppers who are giving up their iphones to try something new.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Not rooted. I don't have a reason too.

Too many people root without knowing what it means and what consequences you could face if you give the wrong app root privileges. There are many legitimate reasons to root if you know why and what you are trying to achieve. I personally don't see a reason to, my Nexus 4 is fantastic fully stock. In the past the only reason I wanted to root was Cisco VPN compatibility, but now that there's support for it natively without superuser requirement I see zero need. The potential problems and security issues are far too costly, I depend on my device for my corporate email and other personal finance items, all I need is some small mistake killing me.

EDIT: Yes.. and add to that, the only other reason I would want to unlock the bootloader and root is because I wanted AOSP on my phone. This is why I bought a Nexus.. so I WOULD NOT have to do this to get stock Android.
[Nexus 4 General] Tmfz:
Not rooted "yet" simply because I'm perfectly happy with pure stock Android. Only reason I rooted my previous phones was to flash a custom rom because I wasn't happy with the stock os that came with the phone. So until I'm unhappy with pure android or I find another rreason to root my n4 will remain unrooted.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
That's basically my reason, you don't see iPhone people hurrying to jailbreak their phones, even though they all look the same
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
Not rooted because it voids warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] Ysalamiri:
Warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Only if they can prove you did it! My Captivate broke on me twice, both times I just used a 1 click revert to stock program and swapped it out, no hassle, no hidden charges. Only thing you gotta watch for here is some oems have put detection methods on now, like my phone for instance says locked in the bootloader menu from the factory , unlocked after you unlock the bootloader, and sadly, "relocked" if you you relock the bootloader. Nexus devices don't have detection methods however.

Honestly I think it retarded it can void the warranty. This is like dell refusing to honor your warranty on your laptop because you put Linux on it... It's just software. I mean if my usb port breaks and it's rooted well what did rooting have to do with that?
[Nexus 4 General] Ysalamiri:
There's a lot of things I find retarded :p But there isn't much you can do about it :D
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I'd like to add If you guys are content on stock, then more power to you. It's your choice and if there is any device thats tolerable stock its a nexus. I couldn't find a reason to root when I got my Nexus 7 but being a former crack flasher, curiosity got the best of me and I was dying to try out paranoid android.

But nexus devices are completely fine on stock, it's a carrier phone that is almost a requirement! I mean you buy a Galaxy s3 and leave it stock, you have a 100 apps that are useless and start with "at&t" in your app drawer, services that start automatically that do nothing for you but eat your ram and cpu usage, locked down tethering, and many times their software updates are pretty half assed so like my phone, I got it rom on it now that just fixes everything the update broke when the phone was updated to ICS! But you don't get this from a nexus, you get pure Google straight out of the box.

I'll be fair in saying right now there really isn't much worth flashing. I just want cyanogenmod when its perfected so I can have lock screen shortcuts. The widgets just aren't enough for me especially when I'm used to having my 4 most commonly used apps on my lock screen from htc sense
[Nexus 4 General] Lownita:
I am a bit worried about rooting or at least flashing a custom kernel because of this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2050811

Am a bit paranoid perhaps :P
[Nexus 4 General] Devildog78965:
I don't root because of my waranty.
[Nexus 4 General] trees247:
not gonna root, I dont think so, cause I can wait for google to update. But if I do root its for Softkeys...They look sweet!
[Nexus 4 General] mandroid17:
Why don't you want it to look like your own? I rooted because I want my phone to look unique. Even though it might not be I like to think that way ha!
[Nexus 4 General] spncrmoo:
If I just unlock the bootloader but don't root, I take it that means I won't lose access to apps like Sky Go which won't allow root?
[Nexus 4 General] Ballastatuz:
Not rooted. Had the phone since November 27th.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
I personally find that to look much worse than stock. More power to you, though. To each their own. That's what's so great!
[Nexus 4 General] Ballastatuz:
No cyanogenmod adds to google. It doesn't do better than google because google is the foundation on which it stands. It is not a full built from scratch rom.
[Nexus 4 General] thephantom:
Stock rooted. I like it plain and simple. I don't want the extra features of other ROMs and I'm also tired of backing up and restoring stuff. I like it the way it is now
[Nexus 4 General] Lakino:
I'll just offer my comments.

I rooted. I'm not a fan boy of android or nexus. The Nexus 4 was just cheap for all the tech specs I got. But I actually hate ASOP. It's a stupid UI. So plain and lacks so many features. HTC SENSE is infinitely better. Yes, it might be slower but it's because it has so much more features than plain old android. I'm missing so much using plain vanilla Android on the Nexus 4. Yes, it's fast, but I want SENSE. If I can add Sense 4.x on top of plain old vanilla android, I'd do it in a nanosecond. NO questions. I'm not an iPhone fan boy. I've never owned an iPhone, but the look and feel of the ios is so much better than plain old andriod. I want a fast phone so I can have a HEAVY UI interface that'll make my life easier. Having a fast phone with a useless plain dumb UI is worthless.

I rooted because I want to be able to add stuff to the useless plain android UI. I rooted so I can use Titanium backup. So I can use Avast. etc...

I agree with whomever said that you buy an andriod phone so you can root. If you don't want to root, go buy an iphone--much better UI.

[edit: crap, i need to update the info in my sig. I'm no longer using the Sensation 4g. Obviously I'm using a Nexus 4--16GB.]
[Nexus 4 General] letom:
So the answer to the OPs question, personal preference.
[Nexus 4 General] zephiK:
If they're happy with their set up, then they're happy. It's as simple as that. I'm not stock and I rooted but many people here don't put themselves in other people's shoes and it's quite selfish.

They paid for the phone. Let them do what they want with the phone, who are you to tell them how their phone should run?

Stock is fast enough as it is and it isn't a necessity anymore compared to the G1 days when we needed to use apps2sd.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
I really do second this. I said it earlier. I mean it's a nexus, hands down best out of the box experience. I can totally understand not wanting to mess with it.
[Nexus 4 General] zephiK:
People think Nexus' middle name is rooting your phone. It isn't. It encourages to unlock the bootloader and to have fun, that's for sure.

But it's also a very user friendly device and Google is attempting to make Nexus a stronger brand name such as iPhone or Samsung Galaxy. They're definitely accomplishing this in the Nexus 7 market. If they met enough demand then this phone would of been off to an extremely good start. More people using the phone = more accessories and support. It's a win win.

Besides, I've been in a situation where I had a friend with a Nexus. Decided to root and customize his phone, ended up being a nightmare not because I wasn't good enough to complete it but answering the same questions over and over was annoying and frustrating. I don't want to be responsible for someone's faults :)

End of the day its a phone. Use it how you like. Maybe down the road, they'll convert when they get bored of stock and feel adventurous.
[Nexus 4 General] Cor-master:
Yeah honestly I got into rooting and romming from Samsung and AT&Ts inability to give me froyo on my Captivate. I always had firmware on that thing that was more up to date then stock and no bloatware, unlocked tethering, etc. With a carrier phone I really think it hard to enjoy it if you keep it stock. However when I got my Nexus 7, I really couldn't find any reason to root. It was free of bloatware and completely up to date, and fast. I eventually did root it because I wanted to check out paranoid android, but now I'm back on the stock rom because I didn't want to wait for developers to update their roms to enjoy 4.2. I pretty much have it rooted now for one reason, and that's the six axis controller app. I like to game on my n7, and the app requires root permission.

I don't really game on phones though so I dunno if I'll leave my n4 stock or not. I'll probably unlock the bootloader right when I get it just to leave the option open.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xaphino:
Okay I was just wondering what are people's opinion of Jelly Bean as a daily driver. I've been out of the loop since ICZen. All I really want is good call quality. So Should I head over to Slimbean or just search for anothe ICS roms? Any feedback will appreciated!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GG88:
I've been running Slimbean as a daily driver since jelly bean came out and it's great. Calls and all the basics are great. I can't really say much about GPS as every phone is different but mine works. Try it out.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xaphino:
Oh I don't really need GPS so that good. Alright then Slimbean it is, thanks!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samsgun357:
I just posted on the other thread you posted in, PA 2.54-360 is a rock solid JB41 ROM.

Would you prefer my usual method of conflict resolution?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GG88:
Try both of them for a couple days. It's the best way to find out what the phone and user like.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xaphino:
Hmm I think I'm going to try PA rom first, then Slimbean. Well If Im going into jellybean might as well try out Hellybean as well. Thanks for your input guys!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Br1cK'd:
I know the feelin'. ;) Life takes so much damn time!

If it holds any water, I recommend the latest HellyBean, DerTufel is doing some great work IMO. I've been running it with the stock kernel, and its better than great. Battery life is sick, GPS works amazingly, and its pretty damn quick.

But you should definitely try them all out and see what you like best.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JonDeutsch:
So, this is a very fast phone. And it's got craploads of RAM. And I've never had it in use where over a GB of RAM was in use. Yet, when I'm close to that 1GB utilized state, the phone starts getting bogged down, and downright choppy in the launcher! How could this be????

This even happens in the widget selector screen, where my hacked GS2 with JB never, ever was choppy.

Could it be a rogue app? I just expect at this point in time (with the speed + Project Butter) to be done with choppy/laggy performance issues.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ketjr81:
What exactly are you doing when it happens? I haven't noticed any issues like this yet. Just been using normal apps though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JonDeutsch:
I'm really just tooling around, using the device. Nothing special. I do have Tasker running in the background, but that's no CPU hog. I have Google+, Facebook, Twitter, etc. all installed and syncing, along with Gmail. But again it's not like they're all syncing constantly... just normal setup stuff.

I consistently am seeing jittery animation in the widget selection area of the launcher... no jerkiness at all on the homescreens or app drawer. Also, apps all run super fast and smooth.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FatalityBoyZahy:
No lag over here.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattb3:
Try turning wifi on and off (or toggling data if using the cell network). I had a similar sounding issue and it seemed related to background network usage. Specifically with some of the Google apps and background syncing. In my case the phone would get warm as well, so I'm sure the CPU was busy as well. Cyanogen with gapps fixed the issue, but a simple data wipe might have worked as well.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chlehqls:
Absolutely no issue here with over 60 apps installed.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galaxys:
Not even the slightest lag here...Still Fast and smotth after one month!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eric-1987:
I vote tasker is the culprit.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Born_Immaculate88:
I noticed a slight bit of choppiness when I was using Google music, sending text messages and surfing the web but it was only temporary and have not seen any such problems since that day. Trying a master wipe or another rom would probably be best.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] resynx:
Use better battery stats to see if an app is running in the background constantly. If not try doing a wipe and not installing any apps at first to see if the lag is still there.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locksmith81:
None here... UCed to 1026 and still smooth as glass. Full sync many background processes while multitasking to the fullest! :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfan786:
Is the latest Google search app broken for any one else? I'm using cm10 I believe its epinters latest version. If another ROM where Google now / search works currently let me know or if there is a link to the previous version of search around. It closes after a second of opening Google now or to make a search.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesummoner101:
It was having issues but the update on 12-13 seems to be working fine now.

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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfan786:
Hmm I redownloaded it an it still doesn't work any ideas what ROM are you using?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesummoner101:
EPinter's CM10

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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ajcd1sc1ple:
It is working fine on my epinter install. Make sure you have the latest gapps. Maybe that will work?