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[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] slannmage:
Seriously it is ****, tried using it as people say you can have all your music on it instead of your phone. It converts everything to MP3 for one but half the time it fails which is so annoying, end up with lots of errors saying stuff couldn't transfer. Not only that but you can only select folders to upload, so I select the folders I want but not all the stuff uploads and I don't know why. So I delete all the music to start fresh and it wouldn't let me upload it again, doesn't even give a reason, I had to reinstall the program to be able to. The odd thing is though you cannot use your old play with the new install so you have to delete all on Google play and install the downloader it gives you and go through that whole process.

So I tried again with a folder of 159 mp3s, it says there is only 110 when there isn't and is only uploading 49 of them.......

Such **** like all of Googles software, like Stock Android is crap, I end up using third party programs to get better performance like Dolphin over Chrome. Also it's missing so many features I love from TouchWiz, I don't get why people hate TouchWiz so much, it has many more features than stock Android, features like well performing Samsung apps, the Samsung music player and Camera is much better, also it doesn't have on screen buttons taking up so much room, seriously the most retarded thing to keep them in apps when you keep hitting them.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] estallings15:
Sell your phone and get a Windows Phone or iPhone.

Done.

Also, this thread will likely be locked, as it serves no real purpose. This isn't a rant forum.

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] slannmage:
I'll just return it and wait for the GS4.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] estallings15:
Alright then. You have a solution. I'm curious why you prefer Touchwiz over AOSP?

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Griffrez:
He possibly doesn't. He just wants the increased internal storage (64GB, very probably) + the probable option of using SD cards for even more storage. Therefore, making cloud storage irrelevant to him.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] munchy_cool:
Stock iOS is crap fanboy
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Bobbyballbags:
Gotta say man, sell up and set a galaxy s3 then. IMO stock android is a much better experience over touchwiz. Although there were a couple of things I liked about it, generally I found it slow and generally pretty ugly. Had good codec support but then so does MX player.

If you don't dig it then jump ship, not difficult really.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] estallings15:
Yes, we all realized this. Thank you.

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] slannmage:
The point was don't listen to people who say Google Play makes having 16gb internal Viable, Google Play is ****. All I want to do is drag and drop, why do they have to make it so hard and buggy? It's simple with a Micro SD or internal storage, it just acts like a Hard Drive. Windows Phone and IOS are worse, tried both and they suck even more, especially iTunes, I don't understand how that bloated poorly optimized bit of software can be so popular.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
Google play music is great and easy to use, it's not a viable alternative because it's a data whore otherwise it's great
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] estallings15:
If other people aren't having these issues with it, have you considered that it may be your connection or machine?

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] @rbiter:
It's great if you don't mind low quality music. It's fine if you don't mind getting lowly transcoded mp3 in return from CD quality or lossless music. And it's all good if you live in the city and have buckets of data to burn through. Google is slowly prying freedom from your hands and many people are gladly giving it up. The direction Google is going with nexus, we should all sell our PC's and get chrome books. Or worse, apple products.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
Honestly the lack of an sd slot is stupid. I can't make an excuse for that. I think Google play music could be a viable alternative and what are you taking about quality? It plays music in whatever quality you uploaded it in which for me, lame alt preset standard, and lossless is overrated, your loosing audio your ear can't hear. And all of Googles music is encoded in 320k,the highest bit rate mp3 anyway.

The problem is it consumes too much data. I used it for a week when it came out and got a notice from at&t that I had used up 65% of my data plan.

As for an sd slot, people want it, Google should just give the people what they want. I pretty much decided I can live with the sacrifices but I'd prefer to have an sd, a removable battery, and lte
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] uberNoobZA:
So sell your nexus 4 and get an iPhone if you want an mp3 player that can make phone calls

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Lol at people complaining at their nexus 4 not having certain things, even though specs of nexus 4 was out before it went on sale. If you wanted those things you shouldn't have bought a nexus 4 in the first place
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] estallings15:
Except for USB OTG. They lied about that one.

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] El Daddy:
Coming from someone who has unlimited data and lives and works in a major metropolis; Google music is awesome.

I have the 8GB version and that's plenty of storage for me.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
I'm being honest. Get real dude. There really is no reason to not have an sd slot. It's not going to drive up costs and it's not going to hurt anything. And personally until they make a battery with an unlimited charge count and a 100 year shelf life, it's stupid to build it in to anything, that isn't just the nexus 4, I'm talking everything. LTE? Well I can kinda understand that one, it's a can of worms right now Google doesn't want to deal with, too many different bands and licensing issues.

For me, the sacrifices are worth the pure Google experience, but I'd be lying if I tried to justify why this stuff isn't needed and pretend I don't want it.

I can live with the sacrifices, but I'd still prefer not to, but it's not worth dealing with a phone with a locked bootloader, a 100 rubbish apps that start with AT&T, a wifi hot spot option that tells me I need to call AT&T to activate, and eol status after one half assed update that came 6 months late and broke more things than it fixed.

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Really I have to add it blows my mind how many tools troll xda and defend every device like it's perfect, and tell everyone whose not 100% happy with everything to buy an iphone. God forbid I don't think the Nexus is perfect, my god I must be half retarded, or I some how didn't drink googles koolaid at some point.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] mackster248:
Why are there so many troll posts in the N4 section. Makes me sad.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
Welcome to xda! Seriously though every forum is like this, but the popular devices like the nexus line always are full of these posts
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] mackster248:
I've been on many device threads on XDA, have never seen so many trolls as I've seen on this device. Even the Galaxy Nexus was much better.

Oh well, if only people ignored threads like this.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] MbTurner1977:
Sounds like you should not be a Nexus 4 owner. Storage works just fine for me. Though I can understand your frustration.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Eric-1987:
Google Music works just fine for me too. Haven't had a single problem. I haven't stored a song on ANYTHING since google music. I love all their stock apps too IMO they're the best. Including chrome.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] [hfm]:
I get the complaint, I have like 24K tracks on my NAS, around 170G of music. I just use a file manager and smb shares over Wi-Fi to switch out music while I'm home. The N4 is so much faster transferring over Wi-Fi than all previous nexus phones it makes it pleasurable to do. 16G is plenty of storage for that IMO. I usually have no more than 6-8G of music on it which is way more than I can reasonably listen to during the day. Of course my usage patterns may vary to other folks but I tend to have quite a bit of dormant music even with this amount of space.

Shrug
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] tattedupboy:
Maybe it's because I'm one of those grandfathered unlimited data customers, but I enjoy Google Music. In my opinion all that it's missing is the ability to upload your music to the cloud directly from an Android device.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
I love it too honestly, I mean it's nice being able to access my entire collection anywhere. It's carriers that kill its usefulness. I definitely wouldn't care about lack of mass storage on the nexus 4 if I had unlimited data. Unfortunately I upgraded to my Captivate 6 months after AT&Ts switch to bucket data plans
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] [hfm]:
It's the subway that kills the usefulness for me. :) 90% of my music listening is on the subway.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Eric-1987:
I don't see the point of having more music than you listen to.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] @rbiter:
High-quality-only streaming

When playing your music from the cloud, Google Play will detect the speed of your internet connection and adjust the bit rate based on available bandwidth. Music will be played at a higher bit rate (up to 320Kbps) when using a fast internet connection.

from here... http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1391343

lossless is overrated? so are you generalizing that we are all as deaf as you? and some of the stuff the ear can't hear can be felt or is part of the harmonics but we should give up that because the highest bitrate is 320kbps mp3? you do know there are other audio codecs? much better codecs? and many people don't use apple because of the lack of codecs or being forced to use itunes/alternatives to play the native codecs apple allows?
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] UberSlackr:
Confused here.. Is he talking about Google Play? Or Google Music?

Play = Store? --- Music = Music?

No issues with Google MUSIC here.. Have 3,506+ Songs uploaded. Streaming and Upload work just fine for me...
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
I just don't see what the fuss is about. Flac vs 320k sounds the same. What it comes down to is people are too anal about stuff. Like pentile vs non pentile... People have a fit over a pentile display when most people can't tell them apart anyway
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] @rbiter:
Sounds the same? Seriously? Even a CD ripped to FLAC at 44.1/44/48 kHz @ 16 bit is far superior to an mp3. With hiphop/rap/synthetic bass music it is hard to point out the difference but geez, the passive attitudes about quality of music are the reason why mp3 is still mainstream. Start getting into music with real instruments and even a deaf person could tell the difference. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised though. With corporations dictating what we want/need, how people perceive what is cheap and what is quality and the rampant piracy with $.99 music and apps these days, we will continue to get dirt. And then next thing you know you'll be wondering why you're stuck in the mud when you continued to pay less for the watered down products.

think I am too anal about sound quality? I haven't let convenience and money take over my lifestyle. While people may think and act on the conception it is cheaper, easier and more convenient to download/stream/subscribe to lowly mp3's (while possibly locking yourself into an ecosystem, cough apple cough!) I can get used like new CD's shipped to my door for $1-$5 shipped from amazon, pop in laptop and BAM! 5 minutes later FLAC. I also convert to mp3 and wav files. I am just a wannabe audiophile, therefore I am not playing gold plated vinyl on $50,000 real wood speakers with wires that cost $20 per foot, but damn people. I live in a first world country that listens to Nicki minaj and Justin bieber mp3's and 8gb is all the mainstreamers, teenyboppers and corporations say I need because even if I load it up to this almighty cloud bull****, the best quality it will spit out is 320kbps mp3 even if what was loaded up was a 192khz/24bit sound file, and more than likely if I am streaming on a cellular connection it will spit out a 128kbps mp3. Ya know, very few people feel me on this because the people who don't feel me are too busy drooling over the dollar menu and didn't make it this far in my rant to realize "hey, you're talking about me. Damn.". :banghead: Ever wonder why the iPhone still has the same 16/32gb options at the same price every year instead of a base 32gb option? I don't.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] FaDeGFX:
software issue,.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] estallings15:
Holy bull testicles, buckwheat! Simmer down!

Note to self: never mention audio to @rbiter.

Hug?

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] ugotproblemz:
Google music doesn't work for me either in situation since there's no data or service when u take the train here in NYC. But seriously how many songs do u have? I have about 750 songs (~5.5GB) and that gives me another 5.5GB free to install apps!

Also if cwm backup takes up a lot of space u can always pull then using one of the toolskit in the development sections so its on your comp instead of your phone. I actually prefer this way since my phones gonna be plugged into my comp every night for flashing or mod...etc
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] GorillaPimp:
This ^ I'm at 50k tracks and 600GB though. I just use subsonic and have the files sent as needed over HTTPS. Flac files are sent as HQ mp3.

Biggest data hog on my phone are games. One frigging game is 1.6GB. My gs2 usually sat with 10GB or more free so I wasnt worried.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] @rbiter:
~10,000, somebody mentioned 24,000 and 50,000 earlier. i have ~60gb of FLAC and ~40gb of mp3's, not including the ones i encoded from my .wav files, of which my .wav takes ~80gb. 250gb of music of which about 80 gigs is redundant though. but i would love to use a lot more of my FLAC's and less mp3's. have about 12-16gb dedicated to music alone leaves me with plenty of variety, choice and having to manage it a lot less often. and i don't even have to have the sd card attched to the os. just have the sd card strictly for media or whatever. just an internal card that can be used as backup, nandroids and media. linking it does get people confused, i can understand that as many aren't tech saavy, but i don't understand that it is not hard to figure out. apps alone, and the files they can create are encroaching the possiblity of maxing out the ~12.92gb available on the n4 and that is not even including how quickly some games could do that. and having extra space available for different caches to have an even smoother phone experience that what we have now would be awesome. i don't really flash roms anymore, but people definitely could use space for nandroids, manual ota's/flashes and custom roms. the needs are there. 16gb minimum is really looking like low end phone space. i really don't see the positive in the argument you can just move stuff on and off everyday manually. that is not feasible or smart use of time. even if done wirelessly and the nand flash could handle ssd speeds, it is still not convenient, efficient and wears out the nand even quicker. with 32gb, you could swap music and other stuff weekly/monthly and this is more reasonable to manage data. with 16gb, you have to micromanage more often, depend on the cloud, hope it is fast/fastenough or worse case hope it is up and did updated your files. what google and other corporations don't realize if we had more local storage, minimum 32gb and maybe 64gb as the minimum, i could and probably would start utilizing the cloud more. dropbox is too small and i will not pay for more. drive is too small and i will not pay for more. both of these are slow, but reasonable enough for the moment, but that moment's end is getting here quick. that and dropbox is the most versatile out of all the others. i got the 50gb free box, but that is about as fast as sprint 3g in a bad 3g sprint coverage area. you probably could only 2 mp3's a day on that anyways.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] El Daddy:
Oh @rbiter. I want to troll you so hard.

But I won't :)

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] ghettopops:
I will byte ;). Where do you find the time to listen to enough music that you cant store on your phone? Oh wait why should you have to swap out music on your PHONE? It should hold enough music so you can listen nonstop without repeating a song for 4 days straight, wait your battery wont last nm. You guys crack me up with your OCD. I have no issues with GM. I live in enough coverage and my unlimited data keeps me streaming when i need.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] @rbiter:
At work and at home and commute. At least 2 hours day average. Often 6hours. Can go through 6hours/6gigs of FLACs in a day. Or 6gigs of mp3's in 7-10 days. And why the hell would I stream 320kb mp3's to over $3000 of audio equipment? And why wouldn't I be able to charge while listening to music. Oh wait. You crack me up with your ocd to limit people because it doesn't fit your usage pattern. And many of us don't have unlimited data. Just because you like listening to ****ty quality music doesn't mean everybody has to wipe their ears with the same.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] parker7:
This thread is great. I'm a noob when it comes to quality of music and I've just learn a bit and will get the CD in future, thanks.

Also, the argument about lack of an SD slot is valid. It's in the specs, sure. I still think it's a scam of getting people to use cloud storage where your data is less secure, easier for the government to access and big corporations to limit your rights, like they do when buying mp3s online.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] cYbernation:
I'm all for listening to lossless audio files at home myself, since I don't want to limit my rather expensive audio chain to a compressed medium but may I ask what equipment you are using on the go, that would justify using lossless on a mobile device? I think for that purpose a V1 or V0 encoded mp3 should be enough.

Also you said even a deaf person could hear the difference. That is simply not true, abx blindtests have shown, that even people calling themselves audiophiles often fail to distinguish between uncompressed files and a high bitrate lossy file.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] drpepe:
Is the device sufficiently specd to be worth using anything better than mp3? Especially in an outdoor or commuting environment where there is a lot of external noise?
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] uberNoobZA:
Lol so having a differing opinion makes a person a tool. Good to know.

I have NEVER ONCE said the nexus 4 is perfect, OR disagreed with the existence of design faults. Mine in fact has rattling and buzzing faults. I personally do not feel they detract from my ability to use and enjoy the phone AND I was aware of the issues and possibility of getting a phone with the issues before I got the phone. Yes google did falsely indicate it supported otg initially, not going to 'defend' that.

And 'get real dude', there ARE reasons for not having an sd slot. That is why not all phones have them. The phone designers make design decisions based on a myriad of reasons, some of which are cost and physical limitations of the phone internals. I do not know why google/lg decided on no sd slot, and I am not 'defending' their decision. In fact I am disappointed in what seems to be Google's decision to try to make a cheaper version of an existing flagship LG phone to come up with a nexus device they can sell before Xmas at a low price. However, this' tool' did his research before getting the phone (and luckily this tool does not use otg, or else he would send the phone back for a refund) so he is not complaining about limitations that were always there.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] @rbiter:
Never claimed lossless outside of my home. Only have about 20gb of that stuff. I do have 60gb of FLAC which are all CD quality or higher. And I never claimed to be an audiophile. Just a wanna be. But there are recordings, not even lossless I would not fail. The mountain music, jazz and classical are very easy to distinguish from an mp3. The variety of instruments used, not to mention the imaging available and hearing a trombone slide in and out in front of you is priceless. I have a lossless 192/24 recording where the recording is so ****ty of the London philharmonic it sounds like a muffled 128kbp3 with a blanket over the speakers. Even turning it up to reference is hardly loud and you canhear.part of the reason the recording is ****ty. And I get to enjoy a lot of the details in my truck, not because I have fancy speakers, amplifiers or subs where you can hear me three blocks away. I just invested the time and money soundproofing my truck with some sheets of high grade butyl and closed cell foam and some strategically placed rubber and some other things I forgot the name. You can only hear wind noise through my windows and rain splatter on my windshield. No tin roof when it rains on my truck and no engine noise until I hit almost 4000 rpm which is rare. And I've read about some of the ab blind tests. There are some things I just would not fail. And some friends I did and ab test with, no blinds though, and most of the time some of them would immediately recognized real live instruments and wanted to listen to more examples. But something like rap and music with synthesized or electric based sound makes it a lot harder to distinguish. No doubt my ears aren't that good. And my system is good but nowhere near audiophile grade. A $1300 receiver, $1500 worth of two subwoofers that I only spent $800 on because I am thrifty and Polk audio monitor towers and center round it out. I don't even have good earphones. I have some $15 headphones (no name brand on them or fancy marketing) that sound like good $100 headphones and I just bought Wolfson Microelectronics's Digital silence ds-101 active noise cancelation earphones for $22 shipped and musically they sound almost a good as my no namers, but I was surprised at how well the active noise cancelation worked for $20 gear. I thought it wasn't going to work at all but Wolfson comes through again. But for the go I use a combination of FLAC and CBR 320kb mp3's to get me going. If I had more storage, it would be all FLAC, so at minimum CD quality. I do carry two lossless songs on my phone and every single time I can see the ears tuning in harder because those ears just aren't used to music coming alive from speakers. And sometimes they ask if i got a system in my truck and I explain. And they want to hear it a couple more times. And then I watch the frownie puckered up lip face when I play the mp3 equivalent.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 Themes and Apps] Cor-master:
No it just seems the common thing on nexus forums is to call people out when they aren't happy about the sacrifices on a nexus device. Yeah some do ***** and complain, and I knew of its shortcomings in early October, I'm just stating my opinion on it.

Overall every android phone blows right now. Get a nexus and deal with no lte, cloud storage, and throwing it away when the battery wears out, or get a phone with all that stuff that's still running ics 4.03 with some crappy skin that does everything in its power to make it not like android anymore.

Really whatever happened to Google experience phones? Non nexus devices that run pure android, such as the Tmobile G2? Really imagine if Microsoft showed off windows 8 then said, "don't get used to this, it's going to look like windows xp on every device thats not a surface". That's about what you get from android.

So me I just feel literally I am forced to deal with Googles nexus line, because I'm sick of oems and carriers bs.