yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Chewieez:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

This linked thread is a very thorough explanation of governors along with many other things... Bookmark it. :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1369817

[REF][TWEAKS] Kernel Governors, Modules, I/O Schedulers, CPU Tweaks, AIO App Configs
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] alexnaoumi:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Any chance of a landscape lockscreen like viper rom?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lucidox:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

I lost haptic feedback as well, though I don't use sticky settings. The "vibrate on touch" option is greyed out in settings.

This happened just prior to 3.0 for me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
Really????
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] puhiniho:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Sometimes I'm a newbie, so I was hoping someone could help me out. Every so often, I'll do a fresh install, but then I have to redo my wifi password settings. I tend to forget some of those hotspot settings I've been to. So I was wondering how I can use titanium backup to backup my wifi settings so I can just restore after the fresh install. What's the name of the backup data file i need to backup.

I'm ready for Mikey's v3 and want to do a fresh install. Thanks!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lucidox:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

If Google doesn't automatically restore them (it should), you can find them in Titanium under the name "WI-FI Access Points".
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] DeSim:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Don't think being soff has anything to do with it

Sent from my MeanEvo. I may be a D....ick, but my intentions are good!

http://www.assaultweapon.info
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] DeSim:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

So I just get the top one correct? I'm soff. Already have 3.15

Sent from my MeanEvo. I may be a D....ick, but my intentions are good!

http://www.assaultweapon.info
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Los Altos:
It seems to better than before. I ran it twice today, once it crashed, the other time it didnt. It seems to be related to how quick/long the GPS gets connected.

One thing Ive noticed that tends to crash Nav is going to landscape.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
yes :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SurlyEngineer:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

You gave the definition for interactive. He was asking about intelli. ;)

I'm wondering what all users are using, Intellidemand or OnDemand? I'm using Intelli since it's working good. I might see a slight hickup here or their compared to OnDemand but otherwise it flows good.

I just want to say thanks for this ROM Mikey. I've really enjoyed it. I don't plan on going anywhere else as I love the Sense simplicity you give to us. Thank you.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Shadow89:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Check your power settings. Power save mode tends to turn on, but not off once the phone is charged.

This will most likely return your haptic feedback.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jpkotor:
It keeps rebooting early in the installation process for me :( Here's what I'm doing...

I was on MeanRom whatever before... I used DirtyRacun to get s-off from HBOOT 1.19 so I had to flash RUU 2.13.651.1, baseband was 1.12.11.0809

Ok so from there I wiped everything, used TWRP to flash Radio 1.12.11.1119 (knowing trying to go straight to 1.12.11.1210 would brick me).

I put MeanBean3.0 on my sd card and tried flashing multiple times from TWRP. I keep getting a reboot early in the install and my phone hangs on the HTC screen. I force a reboot with Vol Up + Power, try again in TWRP.. Same. Tried MeanBean2.9, no luck still, keeps rebooting.

Edit: To be clear when I say wipe everything before each attempt to flash I used TWRP to Wipe Data, Wipe System, Wipe Cache... I also did the "Factory Reset" option to wipe data + cache together... And I'm trying all this while on 1.12.11.1119 according to the bootloader, I haven't attempted flashing 1.12.11.1210 yet.

Edit 2: Also, I'm not super familar with the whole fastboot/terminal thing but I am currently on Ubuntu to have accomplished the DirtyRacun s-off, I put the zip for meanbean in my fastboot folder and just attempted this as well for the heck of it:

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo ./fastboot flash zip MeanBean-v29-jewel-ltevo.zip

sending 'zip' (636998 KB)...

OKAY [ 26.918s]

writing 'zip'...

FAILED (remote: not allowed)

finished. total time: 26.951s

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$

In case that helps...

Edit 3: I am a n00b, I just saw

and will be attempting again after flashing twrp 2.3.3.0...

Edit 4: Success... I can't believe that little slip up cost me 2 hours of dicking around to get this working. Had 2.3.3.0 before but forgot about that note and inadvertantly upgraded to TWRP 2.4.1.0 after running DirtyRacun s-off...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rawintellect:
Intellidemand:

Intellidemand aka Intelligent Ondemand from Faux is yet another governor that's based on ondemand. Unlike what some users believe, this governor is not the replacement for OC Daemon (Having different governors for sleep and awake). The original intellidemand behaves differently according to GPU usage. When GPU is really busy (gaming, maps, benchmarking, etc) intellidemand behaves like ondemand. When GPU is 'idling' (or moderately busy), intellidemand limits max frequency to a step depending on frequencies available in your device/kernel for saving battery. This is called browsing mode. We can see some 'traces' of interactive governor here. Frequency scale-up decision is made based on idling time of CPU. Lower idling time (<20%) causes CPU to scale-up from current frequency. Frequency scale-down happens at steps=5% of max frequency. (This parameter is tunable only in conservative, among the popular governors)

To sum up, this is an intelligent ondemand that enters browsing mode to limit max frequency when GPU is idling, and (exits browsing mode) behaves like ondemand when GPU is busy; to deliver performance for gaming and such. Intellidemand does not jump to highest frequency when screen is off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] tommy24:
I restored a previous back up (2.9) and it works after I flashed 3.0 over it. But I find it pretty weird that this happened.

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I didn't even think about that. Stupid HTC and their force power saving garbage (I don't like my phone losing anything when it's less than 15%). And yes, my phone was pretty low and forgot about this.

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It did the same to me too. It crashed and the second time it worked fine.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] zweldon:
random quirks i've noticed since upgrading to the latest version, not sure if they're meanbean related or not:

-facebook locks up/halts when you try to access the settings menu

-google contact sync is not syncing, so no contacts are showing. all other google services sync fine. anybody else having issues?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

I just noticed that the HTC Software updates option is gone settings/system updates

Which means there is no longer a way to disable it from pushing HTC/Sprint OTA's to our phones
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ovrrdrive:
Interesting... I still have that option listed in mine. I wonder if I have a few remnants of earlier roms in mine or if yours is missing something.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
I did a clean install (wiped cache/del cache/system/factory reset) coming from another rom... I do have the newest 3.16 firmware maybe that's it not really sure
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] KaoMinerva:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Omg dude... Can it atleast be an aroma flashable? I don't care about fapple, but the beats settings mean a lot to me.

***Your Tears Are Sweet Ladies & Social Rejects***
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] thecarp1975:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Mine is that way too. I wanna say it's been like that for a while on my phone, clean or dirty install.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AarSyl:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

That has nothing to do with MeanBean, or any rom. It was removed by HTC with the JB update. I noticed that because I went to a Sprint store, and checked out the version that their EVOs were running. When is went to updates, that's when I noticed the difference.

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
It was in the 3.15 JB update :confused:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Magnum_Enforcer:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Hehehe

The advice is free....the bandwidth, not so much
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scoot0073:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Can someone share the zip to flash to do away with the soft key press of the camera search. I use to have it n the MeanBean folder but seems to have been replaced with other zips.

Thanks
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AarSyl:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

In the MeanBean folder on the ohone storage, flash the sticky settings zip and select "no" or "stock" when you get to that option. Not sure exactly what it says.

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] guitarpager:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

That's there one I got and it worked for me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ittybittyfds:
Did anybody else loose Sound Enhance option in the music player after flashing to 3.0?

I flashed last night. Went to stream audio today via bluetooth to my truck. Went to change to WOW srs but sound enhance was not there from the pull down.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hendav:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

If you read the changelog you will see that Mike removed those options for stability on the new base. He will add them later.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ittybittyfds:
Ok Thanks. Didn't know the sound enhancer was related to Fapple. Thanks for the input
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Androidious:
Hey Mikey, out of curiosity I was wondering, what is it in TWRP 2.4.x that breaks OTA flashable files? As you already know, the Ota update files will not flash correctly (hangs on initial HTC boot screen) in TWRP 2.4.x & I was wondering what drastically changed in TWRP that caused this? Any thoughts?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] acidsurfr:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

For those curios, taken with a grain of salt for what they are worth. Here are my antutu and quadrant scores on MB3.0. Checked for shots and giggles.

Phone is like a rocketship
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] babyschmoof:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Read the links I supplied. They are All there.

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Flash the sticky file, and it will be one of the options.

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Taken out for stability, as of now.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] dwmartin6341:
Delete.

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It is gone on my phone as well. I have the 3.16 firmware and it was a clean install of 3.0.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] guitarpager:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

I have it on my phone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rpenrod23:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Read back a few pages and you will see that he is most likely not going to include musicbox or fapple due to the work involved in getting them to function properly.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] dwmartin6341:
Camera not working

Hey guys,

Likely this issue is not related to Meanbean, but since you're such a smart group I thought I would check with

all of you.

My camera is not working at all. The camera app will boot, but all I get is a black screen. I can see all of the on screen

buttons for the camera app, but they are non-response. If I press some of the buttons it tells me that the camera is not responding

and I can wait or quit. Sometimes the app will force close and tells me that it cannot restart.

It seemed to occur right after installing the new 3.16 firmware update. At that time I was on Meanbean 2.9. I've since updated

to 3.0 with a clean install, but there is no change. The app will boot and I can see all of the on screen buttons for the camera, but

it just shows a black screen where normally you would see what the camera is viewing.

The firmware from the captain installed correctly through the bootloader. Radios & PRI are correctly indicated and seem to be

working fine. I suspect this is a hardware issue and not related to the ROM. I have TEP on the phone, so I can take it to

Sprint and have them check it out, but before I do, is there anything else I should try?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts meanies!

PS Meanbean 3.0 is terrific.

I am S-off through lazy panda,

hboot 1.12.1111,

meanbean 3.0,

hardware 003

twrp 2.3.1.0

3.16 firmware and radios

EDIT: Installing the stock rooted OTA has fixed the camera. Nick1313 from MikMik thought it was an issue with the kernel and boot image.

I'm addicted to Meanbean though, so what do I do from here?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Traceamount:
Weird, just checked ... Mine on 3.0 with latest firmware has the "HTC software update" option, opened it and disabled it from checking for software updates.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mswlogo:
I believe it has to do with the S-On compatible Kernel install script.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AndrasLOHF:
Ah...missed that part. My baseband is 1.12.11.1119 so I guess it's time to upgrade. I'm S-On(I don't have access to a 32-bit system and my cd drive is borked so I can't make a boot disk) and all the RUU links provided from that page are broken now. Guess it's time to do some searching to find the latest RUU.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] stanglifemike:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Are you on a Win7 64bit system?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mulhiny:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

I can't seem to get the new rom to boot. I'm s-off with the latest firmware. Full wipes and after flash I get stuck on the meanbean boot forever. I let it sit for a out 20 mins before restoring. Am I missing something?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AndrasLOHF:
Yeah
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ElMadre:
Just retried with Intellidemand, after letting the ROM settle overnight. Back up to 12,267. Good times.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Magnum_Enforcer:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Go back and try it again. Make sure you do a system wipe in recovery, then flash 3.0.

What version of TWRP are you using?

The advice is free....the bandwidth, not so much
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mulhiny:
Thanks for the reply. I'm using TWRP V2.3.3.0. I even tried wiping again and then flashing the sticky setting and backed off the OC thinking maybe my phone didn't like it. Same results. I downloaded the ROM last night over WiFi straight to my phone. Maybe tonight I'll try downloading to the PC and transfering..Only thing I can think of. Never had an issue before and not new to the game..idk
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] FusionX:
Clean install of 3.0

I am having an issue I noticed on 2.9 after I updated the firmware, and which is again present in MeanBean 3.0. I was running the stock rooted 3.16 rom for a couple of days and the wakelock was not present on that rom.

another issue present when I am noticing the wakelock is that my wifi will drop and the phone will stay in 3g for a bit then it will pick wifi back up.

The wakelock is "suspend_backoff". It is a kernel wakelock viewed in better battery stats.

Again, this appeared for me after flashing the new firmware but only on MeanBean. Doesn't exist on stock rooted 3.16 ROM.

My first question is, does anyone else have this wakelock?

And second, Mikey, do you have any idea why this is present on MeanBean, but not Stock 3.16? Could it be the kernel?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Magnum_Enforcer:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Make sure you check the MD5 between the download and the host, also.

The advice is free....the bandwidth, not so much
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rpenrod23:
Odd issue I'm noticing after clean install of 3.0...

I have a "Notifications" and "Ringtone" folder on my internal SD card that I use for non-HTC/Android notifications & ringtones. Although the folders are still there, I can no longer select the notifications/ringtones to assign them to contacts, messaging, etc. Anyone else seeing this or have any ideas? Not a deal-breaker, just odd.

Edit: After a couple of reboots, notifications/ringtones are now showing up as expected....odd.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ElMadre:
Yup, I have it too:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] spursdude:
I noticed this wakelock on 3.0 yesterday also.

I found this thread by Googling around and disabled Chrome's Tilt Scrolling... we'll see if that changes anything today. Do you have Chrome installed?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1743669&page=3

Also, this is my first post in this thread - been following since MeanROM 6.5 but didn't "earn my stripes" in the forums to post here until recently. Thanks for all your hard work Mikey! My phone's been working like a dream thanks to you.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] baknblack:
I also flashed the stock rooted rom and had the exact same experience as you. Stock was sleeping like a baby. But MB 3 has suspend_backoff.

While viewing the real time logs my log was being flooded with messages about everything that was running being a critical process or not a critical process. not sure of the exact wording of the messages but, you get the idea. Think it was coming from the task killer cause none of the partial wakelocks or number of wake ups gave me any clue as to what was causing it.

so, for now I'm back on the stock rom.

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Thought the same thing but no Chrome here.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AndrasLOHF:
I noticed that too the past couple days on 2.9 and again this morning on 3.0. I thought my router at home was having issues so I reset it but am still seeing the wakelock.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mjhuffer:
Facebook "This page you requested was not found"

Fresh install of 3.0 and the latest firmware. Updated PRL and Profile. Everything is syncing in Facebook properly. Whenever I try to log into something with facebook (WWF, HWF, DWB, and all games), it goes into the Facebook app and won't access anything. It just has a screen that says "This page you requested was not found" then below it has and arrow that says return to home. Tried reinstalling apps, tried reinstalling Facebook, tried wiping cache and dalvik, tried going into Facebook and deleting HTC Sense from the app page and reauthorizing it through the phone, and nothing will work. Has anyone else had this problem? Can anyone else off me a fix? My guess is there is a bug in the newest facebook.

GroupMe works fine it's just apps that actually have to go into Facebook and authenticate through the app. Kind of a weird issue. Can anyone confirm they can get into Words with Friends and other sorts of games through Facebook? I want to make sure its not a facebook app problem before I do a complete reset.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ElMadre:
No Chrome for me, either.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] stanglifemike:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Just burn a LiveCD of Ubuntu and boot your PC in to the Ubuntu LiveCD. Pretty easy to do, and Team Unlimited will offer you support every step of the way if you need it. Even if you're a complete Ubuntu noob you can still figure everything out.

Now what I'm about to say I don't suggest or recommend. I have successfully got s-off on both of my Evo LTEs using my HP Envy Win7 64bit laptop, as have many others. Everything went perfectly smooth and I didn't have to do anything manually or run anything twice. Was just like the tool was made for Win7 64bit!! A lot of people have confirmed this in the Dirty Racun thread, and I'm sure there has been at least twice as many who have had success and didn't post about it. Team Unlimited will not offer their support if something did happen to go wrong if you're using an unsupported system though. That said, if you do try this then make sure you first delete any and all HTC drivers, HTC Sync, and anything else HTC on your PC before starting. Then download and install all of the appropriate drivers from Team Unlimited's site. I, nor anyone else, can tell you what to do with the provided tools. Just be sure that you have insurance through Sprint before attempting. In the odd event that something did go wrong, it's nice to have a backup plan! Your phone and your decision. Good luck with whatever you decide!!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AndrasLOHF:
I've got to find a way to make a live disk. For some reason the burn function on my disk drive went to poo a while back.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mikeyxda:
Judging from the old kernel source, it looks like suspend_backoff is issued when there are so many (unknown) wake locks that it just stops counting/recording them and performs the wakelock. I'm wondering if it's the intellidemand governor. Have any of you with this wakelock tried selecting ondemand in the sticky settings to see if it goes away?

Mike
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] baknblack:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

I did, same issue.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] FusionX:
Happening on both governor's for me. Would you make a flashable zip for the stock kernel and I'll install it and see if it goes away?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
check it!!!http://www.pocketables.com/2013/02/...tc-evo-4g-lte-updated-to-3-16-651-3-base.html
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mjhuffer:
Nobody can help me confirm the Facebook issue before I do a complete wipe and fresh install?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

Dam I just checked my mine and I got the same wakelock.. 20min in 7 hours!! :(
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chas123:
+1
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
yea i would love just to try the stock kernel see if it gets better with that.. i cant find the stock kernel anywhere?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] BigBroham1984:
Re: [ROM] Feb-5 MeanBean v3.0 | 3.16.651.3 | Mods | Batt saver

There is a way to boot Ubuntu using usb - search for that...HTH
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] FusionX:
I can't decide if it would be kernel related or if baknblack is on the right path with it being task killing tweaks. I'm sure mikey is looking into it and may have more accurate ideas!

I'd still like to try the kernel though in the interim...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] litlepyro:
Can someone please remind me how to check for wake lock? Sorry for the newbie question, but would like to try to help...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] spursdude:
You can use Better Battery Stats (available free to XDA users here - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1179809 )

Or GSam Battery Monitor from here ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm&hl=en )

For what it's worth, I'm still getting it after disable Chrome tilt scrolling, which makes sense since others don't even have Chrome installed. suspend_backoff had 35 min of wakelock in 1 h 49 min of being unplugged!

I'll try switching to Ondemand now and see if that changes anything.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] baknblack:
You need the battery battery stats app.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1179809

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I hate it for Mike but, I'm happy it seems to be widespread cause I love MEAN and I know he'll pin it down and fix it. At least we stand a chance here unlike hs_mgr. There was no hope of fixing that puppy without source. In this case at least we know it's not happening on stock. With the 1st release of JB I had hs_mgr even on bone stock.