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[HTC Droid DNA] l7777:
Threads like these make me wish one click root/unlocks were never released. Having to actually understand what you are doing will weed out the real power users from the ones who think they need to root because they can't live in a locked down environment.

I don't know why we are all trying to point out things that the OP listed as flawed, it's his $$ and his decision.
[HTC Droid DNA] akira751:
I too came from the Thunderbolt and your right the DNA is a OMG upgrade. And yes I miss the kickstand.:D
[HTC Droid DNA] Shadowstare:
The OP can return his/her phone for whatever reasons he or she deems reasonable. I hope your next phone is the phone of your dreams. Would I return my DNA for the same reasons? Not a chance in heaven or hades. My old phone was a Samsung Captivate on AT&T. My new DNA takes my old Captivate in the back beats it up beyond all repair. The DNA is a MAJOR upgrade. Its not a prefect phone, but man is it awesome.
[HTC Droid DNA] MustafaHadaKing:
this thread is about as useless as my nipples :)
[HTC Droid DNA] TechSavvy2:
This part is not opion, and I think you're wayyy off the mark. If you think the DNA has more bricked device threads, you are very confused my friend. My S3 has full unlock capability, yet has many many many many many more brick threads than you guys do. Every device I have owned had more than the DNA.

All devices will have multitudes of brick threads, and many many more. People are lazy, want one-clicks, don't wanna understand what they're doing, and brick their devices. Its a fact of nature. Not "far from the norm" at all.
[HTC Droid DNA] Sjflowerhorn:
Its his personal opinion jeez, let him breath. We all spend money for retarded reasons on newer phones so we can break them in a sense. If the guy is specific on where hos money is being thrown he has every bit of entitlement to do so. Is the post necessary? No but if everyone had an issue with it they should just not post and bring it back to the top. If you have something to add then do so respectfully. Were all grown ups here, c'mon guys.
[HTC Droid DNA] Ndaoud360:
Me for me I taped a hair clip to my inc and was perfect kickstand and may do it on my DNA but since it's soft touch plastic the tape may ruin

the back.
[HTC Droid DNA] RunNgun42:
I know people are going to have some knee-jerk reactions to any thread disapproving of their device, but the point was the offer some alternative reasons since all you see are the typical "not enough storage, not enough battery". I find any REAL enthusiast doesnt need these things. Storage space? For what, to load your 50 pirated movies that you'll never watch, just because you want to show off to your friends that you have them? Your 30,000 songlist that you never listen to? A real power user would be surrounded by data, and thus take advantage of things like the cloud. Manage your library from your pc and have it with you at a moments notice on the go, no connecting a usb cable and transferring data back and forth for hours. Battery life you say? Get a charging pad so your phone is always charging whenever you lay it down. Unless you're a student or something with no access to electricity, I cant see why you cant keep a phone near fully charged throughout the day.

But I digress. My reasons were based on explicit functionality. Obviously the phone is more powerful than the TB, but does that make it better? I wish I had recorded my benchmarks where I demonstrate loading MY apps, MY web pages, and MY media. I dont play xbox quality games on a cellphone, I'll save that for the xbox. I play puzzle games and strategy games. Games that any 10 year old phone can run at 60fps. 4g is 4g and the DNA isnt any faster than the TB, so web pages all load in equal time. Sure the DNA probably displayed the media and cached content a little faster, but not enough for me to really care.

And then there's that beloved kickstand. Some of you said I should lean it up against something while I eat. What exactly what that be? My drink cup that I'll be drinking from? A lunchbox I have to keep on the table? A CASSETTE TAPE (lol?). I tried these things, and the phone is so smooth it just falls right over. Try leaning it up against ANYTHING at ANY angle and watch what happens. It just slipsdown flat on its back. And if it doesnt, the slightest deviation in the earth's rotation sends it falling anyway. The kickstand is pure gold. I'll never use a case since the phone is already a behemoth, the last thing I want is to increase bulk. Besides it's so pretty to look at I could never cover it up.

So like I said, I started the thread to give some unique reasons I wouldnt want this phone, reasons that actually impact my use rather than a bunch of crap on paper that only affects you 1/100 times.
[HTC Droid DNA] icesteve:
I came from the TB too and missed the kickstand, so I got the case with it built in and belt clip. Corny yes, but the TB ruined me and now I can't have a phone without a kickstand. 100 times better than the TB in every other way though, patience is key with new releases for all the extras.
[HTC Droid DNA] BotsOne:
I don't even understand why OP felt the need to tell us this. Just return your phone and go back to the TB forum. No one cares. Did you really feel the need to start a thread about how you returned your phone? Is it really that important? Does that really warrant a new thread? Maybe you should have posted this in the TB forum, that way perhaps someone would give a $hit.
[HTC Droid DNA] cowisland:
That's mean man. If you don't like a thread, don't read it, and certainly don't post in it.

I enjoyed this thread. It was not useful to anyone, true, but it was entertaining.
[HTC Droid DNA] xisaacbx:
We're just feeding the troll so lets stop responding. Any right minded person wouldn't return this phone to go back to the TB. If he likes it then let him stay with it.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
you would think that someone with 72 posts in 18 months would choose his posts more carefully....

How was he trolling? He had the phone and posted about his experience with it in the general forum.

I know millions of people that would have laughed at my wife returning her iphone 4 to get the thunderbolt. 16 months later, she's still using the bolt and it meets her needs. Nothing wrong with that.
[HTC Droid DNA] trebb:
I could never go back to the TB simply because of the responsiveness of the UI on the DNA. Scrolling on twitter, Facebook, large webpages, etc...would feel absolutely awful compared to the smoothness of the DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] xisaacbx:
Didn't say it was wrong for him to return it. I just took a wild guess that he was trolling. Guess I'm just kind of sick of seeing threads like this. Maybe its just me but I don't go about posting how I return every single item I disliked. But hey free country right?
[HTC Droid DNA] Tsoflyyup:
Thunder bolt ha!!!!!!!! I rather have a G1
[HTC Droid DNA] TechSavvy2:
This part I completely agree with you on (except kickstand part). Its why I'm getting the phone also. I don't care about ext-sd. Bought 32gb s3 and a 64gb SD for it.....never use any of it, lol. Because of cloud storage ive used maybe a quarter of phone storage and still haven't touched the SD in it.
[HTC Droid DNA] zounduser:
Actually, its really easy. I think a lot of these guys rely to heavily on "one click" methods. I for one like to know whats going on, and doing it myself is a learning experience that i enjoy. All that aside........there is a video, and quite a few write ups for this, watch the video, open a write up, and "copy and paste".

The post was quoted to u, and the end was just to show op how easy this is.

SENT FROM MY HTC MIKDROID DNA USING XPARENT ICS TAPATALK 2
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Pretty sweeping generalization, no?

If you're implying that people that tweak their phones use it as a science project and nothing else than I hope you and the handful of others that only care about benchmarks and the speed of screen transitions are happy together alone in the dev forum.

Your reference to the cloud as a cure-all shows you never travel. On planes that have GoGo you're lucky to hit 1.5MB down and they IP block popular streaming sites. On an eight hour flight with no Internet access you use what you bring with you. Overseas, Internet’s not as available as it is in the U.S. and when you find it you could still have to pay for it. Road trips of any distance can put you out of LTE range and even if it was available not everyone here's on an unlimited plan. And LTE's useless off VZW's network so you're stuck with HSPA download speeds when roaming.

You're right about battery life. In order to get by on a One X I had a wireless dock at home and at the office. I still had to carry a 5K mAh battery booster that weighed twice as much as the phone when I traveled and a portable one around town just to be safe. It's great that there are work-arounds to HTC’s insistence on using marginally sized batteries but not everyone’s so enthused by their phones to put up with it when there are other attractive choices that don’t force compromises. And the latter is why HTC’s market share is plummeting.

The dev community for the AT&T XL started out great. When ordinary people that do all the things you ridiculed started abandoning the phone because of the same issues that exist on the DNA (11GB of storage, marginal battery life) the devs moved-on to more popular phones. VZW’s different and there are less choices for people to move-on to so maybe the same thing won’t occur. But the cure is for HTC to stop putting form over function, not bashing people for wanting to do things with a high-end phone that HTC's own website tells them it's great at. Someone explain to me why the DNA/Butterfly, a supposed “flagship,” has a smaller battery and less storage than the One X+ that has a less taxing display and SoC? And the One X+ is HTC's Hail Mary to try and resuscitate sales after the One X flopped because of the very things you say don't matter. You know what HTC needs more than bigger batteries and more strorage? A new CEO.
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
Your probably never going to see a future phone with a kickstand. The idea never caught on. And a cased DNA is smaller than the thunder. The tb is .52 inches thick!

Your entitled to your opinion ofcourse but you also posted in a forum so you should expect agreeingand disagreeing opinions as well. And I think most people were trying to day that your opinions are sort of wrong lol. Cause they can all be proven to be least efficient. But you're happy so that's all that matters

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"A foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer."
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Umm... where do I even start?! Who brings only a smartphone on an 8hr flight? You either bring your laptop or at least a tablet assuming you're all about the business if you're heading to Europe or Pacific. The phone is there for maybe an occasional game and music listening. No? Maybe it's just me...

Road trips? If there is any network that will work in the remote areas it's Verizon. Whether LTE or 3G, but chances are you'll have some kind of connection. If that failed, most likely any other carrier will fail as well. That's just my luck.

And finally battery... If you travel for days, and have a unibody form factor device with sealed battery, New Trent 9900mAh $50 on amazon will charge your devices for a few days. So if you're traveling for days, you should be prepared anyway, right?

Pretty sweeping generalization, no?
[HTC Droid DNA] dsb9938:
I want to reply to this, but I am a grown up.

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[HTC Droid DNA] Culex0r:
I find your reasoning very interesting. Considering most smartphones don't come with kickstands built in. I think that is a useless addition when you can prop your phone against something or in my case I have a kickstand that basically suctions to the back of the phone when I need it. But everyone has there likes.

Sent from my DROID DNA on Tapatalk
[HTC Droid DNA] jcase:
A one click is not going to make this better, the exploit we release is in fact, just DODO (*edit* the forum censored the S word lol). That is the matter of it. I have no plans on releasing my original ones, it was either release this one, or release none. The community made it very clear they wanted it now, rather than wait for someone else to do it again. However, the exploit can be done safely as long as directions are followed. The bricks come from either inexperienced hands, getting mixed up, or HTC sync messing things up.

Any time you run an exploit against your phone, you are risking it at some level. Precompiled one clicks? Far riskier than plaintext, described ones like I tend to release. When you run a compiled binary on your PC, to root your phone, you have no freaking idea what is happening. For all you know it could install a keylogger to your PC, and make your phone part of a botnet.

I stopped reading after the first paragraph, but your complaints about the exploit covers most, if not all, modern HTC exploits. If you think making a one click out of them is any better, you are lost.
[HTC Droid DNA] RunNgun42:
Hey Jcase, I'm just curious but would you consider the DNA more risky to root than other phones in its class? Equally risky? Or less?

I probably shouldnt use the term one-click, but more like toolkit. Take for instance the TB or Nexus 7 unlocking tools. You dont just hit a button and presto your phone is unlocked. However you do get to run 1 single program, click a series of buttons in order, and if any one of those events doesnt register or otherwise gives you doubt, you can usually just run it again, or go back a step, or start over without too much worry. With the DNA it seems like if absolutely anything goes wrong at any point in the process, you're hosed. I've seen the complaints on previous models where people bricked their devices and I ask myself "How? How were you not able to follow these instructions?" so I get it. It just seems like the DNA could cause even a veteran unlocker some grief.

Anyway I thought it was funny that I used to argue with everyone who talked down about this phone, and how I used to brag about all of its features and then ended up returning anyway for my own personal reasons. I mean would you criticize me if I said I returned it because I work in construction and the phone is subjected to constant abuse and is likely to fail? This has nothing to do with the phone, it just didnt suit my needs. I only came here because I figure as a tech geek that many of you probably use your phones similarly to mine. Surfing the web at work, watching videos at lunch, and goofing off lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] WorldOfJohnboy:
I guess I just question the motives for posting on a forum where DNA owners and/or fans will certainly defend the phone and/or bash you. This thread has nothing but bad vibes written all over it.

Furthermore, you claim that 50% of people have bricked their phones trying the exploit... I would be interested to know just how far off you are in that claim, everyone I know has been able to follow the exploit without issue, or if there was, the Dev/Community support was right there to talk them through. This statement appears to try and discredit the work that JCase, dsb, etc. have done for us 'idiot' owners that just want to unlock our bootloaders.

I can understand your preference to switch devices back to your Tbolt, but why make this post in the DNA forums? Why not go over to the TBolt forums and post there that you had the DNA and returned it... it would do much more good in that sense as you would have support in your reasons and you would be unlikely to tick off owners/fans/devs of the phone you returned. Here it just appears as if you are spinning your wheels and flinging mud with them at the same time.
[HTC Droid DNA] jiwengang:
LOL. like this one the most. haha.
[HTC Droid DNA] Dannar:
I for one appreciate this kind of thread. While it probably could have been titled in a less inflammatory manner, he makes good points. I too am a t bolt owner. Now I'm getting ready to replace it. I come to the forums of the phones I'm toying with buying. Its a good way to look before you buy.

See, at least for me, it's not about the the bigger numbers. It's not about moar coars, or moar pixels, or a sexy unibody. These things will always be better with the release of every new phone. Even the unibody looks thing. Newer designs replace the same ole same ole, even if it was a great design for the time (look at car bodies).

Samsung keeps adding cool little quirks, and gives us something more valuable than a screen with a zillion resolution. That thing is freedom.

Samsung's move to put the sgs3 on every carrier was brilliant. If you want a sgs3 you dont have to ditch your plan and carrier. HTC builds some beautiful stuff, but they let the carriers throw them around like abusive boyfriends. Like a battered spouse they just keep coming back to the same thing ( carrier exclusives, slow or cancelled OS updates, lack of removable battery and sd card slot) expecting different results. Every time they're wrong.

And so are we for expecting the same thing out of HTC.

Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
[HTC Droid DNA] Mustang302LX:
I just wanted to say the vast majority of Samsung's "cool little quirks" are things that most won't ever use. I had the S3 and gave my wife my GNex but she hated it so I gave her my S3 so I have experience with TouchWiz. I didn't mind TW too much but most of their additions are little gimmicks to make people who know little about tech say "whoa."
[HTC Droid DNA] RunNgun42:
Yeah I guess I could have posted this in the TB forums. I figured a lot of DNA users are ex-TB users since most of us who bought the TB have contracts about to expire, so I figured I'd be among friends and not fanboys :) Anyway I'll probably continue to lurk the DNA forums to see how it develops. Already some leaked screenshots out there of someone achieving s-off.
[HTC Droid DNA] 1ManWolfePack:
Great reply. Bravo.

*This thread is a good read :)
[HTC Droid DNA] obededom:
totally agree. props to all who have posted pros/cons in here.

i'm going in Sunday to buy either the Maxx HD, Note 2 or the DNA, threads like this help immensely :o
[HTC Droid DNA] fernando sor:
The tbolt was an embarassment. Seriously to even compare this phone with the tbolt makes me question someones intelligence
[HTC Droid DNA] earthrocker:
jcase is the man. period. lol
[HTC Droid DNA] zounduser:
for sure bro.

RATTLED FROM MY ONE XL USING ICS TAPATALK 2
[HTC Droid DNA] andybones:
+3 to that!

Jcase is an awesome guy.

Does so much for our Android community!

Anyone who disagrees is just insane in the membrane.

anyway.

Yea, I did of coarse think of returning my DNA at first as well (Coming from a GNEX--which I sold for a Rezound because GNEX was too big at the time for me HA!, then sold the Rezound, so most recently coming from the HTC Incredible 4G LTE) and going from 4' screen to 5' is crazy upgrade.

I played with it non-stop since I've had it and love it...

It's just small enough that (using the vol keys) can wake the device using one hand and or the most part even use the phone using one hand (although is does get tiring)

looking back at my Inc4, in the words of the wise Nitsuj17 "the Inc4 just feels like a brick now" and he couldn't have been more right.

The screen is amazing, although I don't watch movies on my phone so, honestly I could have been just as happy with a smaller 4.7' screen with 720p (if not more, as 4.7' would be perfect size for me)

the slimness of the phone makes it manageable to use in daily use in your pocket and car cup-holder (as I do hehe).

my only gripe is the recovery at the moment, once all the root tweaks get sorted out (and hopefully S-OFF) we will be golden.

I will however, if a new phone comes out down the road from VZW, that is smaller and is has the build quality that HTC is starting to bring (I really like the non-removable battery as I never removed mine anyway, in-fact I hate having to take the back door off I feel it loosens the back door more and more each time), I will most likely trade the DNA for it, as I'm not totally attached to this phone. That's not to say I'm not very happy and could easily be good with this phone until my 3/2014 upgrade.

The Nexus7 will be added to the list here after xmas and the price goes down (or if the rumor of some new nex7' tablet coming, so should really drop the price) gotta love mpoints as well. free money just for using apps you already use, soon I'll be up for $50 to pay for the rest of the nex7 as I only have $200 hehe.

to the OP, if the phone isn't for you, it simply isn't for you, no one should care what phone you choose to use.

best of luck to ya!
[HTC Droid DNA] earthrocker:
glad you're with us on the DNA, andy!

and agreed with the build quality. No more squeeky door like the rezound/inc! lol
[HTC Droid DNA] Sjflowerhorn:
I can only speak for myself but these posts are the ones that drive newcomers to rootzwiki, and droidforums. He didn't complain or say the phone sucks, he didn't post it in development, or in children's grammer. Sure, we may not have needed to hear it but deal with it or take it up with the op in a private message. And if it offends you so greatly that you feel you need this removed, by all means take it up with parottkeet or another mod. For your exact statement I return your own comment, WHO CARES. Move to the next thread and proceed to read other people's hard work that they have provided for you, me and Joe schmoe for free. I haven't seen any dev's complaining, but maybe its because they have better things to do. Right now my son is sleeping so I myself do not lol.

Happy holidays and try and give people a little room, or just don't bother to read it. Its not like its a sticky or something lol

Once again happy hollidays and happy missing to each and every one of you, even including the Ebaneser Scrooge's.
[HTC Droid DNA] another581:
You repeatedly defined yourself as a power(?) user and a tech geek, yet you were worried about bricking the phone from the bootloader unlock procedure?...and you, a "Power" user, think the Thunderbolt is on par or better than the DNA?...even my mother knows why she needs a netbook and a full desktop PC...

Marking the lack of a kickstand as a disavantage is just ridiculous. That is as bad of a reason as to when my female friend complained about her phone not having a strap holder.

You need an iPhone.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
No offense to the OP.. But no way in hell is the TB on par with the DNA.

But I'm happy that you're happy. I keep fiddling with the idea of getting a DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] ShelW:
I also wonder about the number of "My Note2 is better then your DNA", or "Returned my DNA" threads...

Do people who own the Note2 go on the RazrHD Maxx boards, then move on to the GS II boards, then move on to the LG Intuition boards, to tell everyone how their Note2 is better then all of those phones???

Just curious...
[HTC Droid DNA] Papa Smurf151:
congrats on returning your phone...Sorry to see you go but these threads do not belong on xda. If everyone created a hey i didnt like my phone so I returned it thread there would be hundreds of these