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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
CM will return....they need samsung and samsung doesnt seem to care for them.

So its a good idea to develop for samsung and be more better on their hardware then they are. So my advice to them is to crush the ego.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] warfareonly:
They 'need' Samsung ? Please elaborate your statement.

No, it is not a good idea, it is a very bad idea.

My advice to you is to go read about the trouble they had developing cm for Samsung devices before spouting crap.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
I have been following their each and every move as well as samsungs.

I know what samsung is trying to play here. To be the sole crediter to android.

Well why cyanogen need samsung. Its to market their development to masses. People will buy s4 and cm team cant afford to loose their users. 10% of android users uses cm. So what i said is true. U need a follow up of events.

The brick bug was a part of the plan to limit users from flashing. Before that phones were directly flashable. For n7000 we needed a custom kernel to flash.

Why samsung didnt release the sources. Its because they didnt want anyone to be better than their tw. Because android one day will be tw. I have been saying this since there was a petition to release the exynos sources.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] wednesday13:
Lol even with lack of sources cm is already better than tw
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] warfareonly:
You have not.

They're trying to distance themselves from Android, not trying to be the sole creditor.

What part of 'volunteer' work don't you understand ?

Yeah, right. It was a **** job on Samsung's part. That is it. And I suppose the SDS bug in the S3 was something similar? Yeah, let's kill their devices, it will definitely put a stop on flashing! Ridiculous :banghead:

That is not gonna happen.And Google will just hand it over ?

I think not.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
Well it actually happened. Dev figured this thing out so there was prevention.

Yes samsung is distancing itself but it will never abandon its touch wiz. So soon they will cut the codes of android and will customize their version and at the other front will keep a completely revolutionized tw on tizen and will want devs to join their league there.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] warfareonly:
Proof ?

Learn to read.I was saying that they wanted people to believe that their touchwiz is not 'android', kind of wanting them to believe that touchwiz is another OS entirely.Yes, good for them.How does that affect the CM devs ? Last I heard, they made their own decisions.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] chasmodo:
When did you have your lobotomy done, poor sir?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] M3TALLICA:
Android will become Touchwiz, Pigs will fly, Sarah Palin will become the President of the US and I'll become Super Admin of XDA :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rraaka:
honesty hurts qazi, be gentle
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DJsCrIBbLe:
Guys he kinda has a valid theory. Cm probably doesn't need Samsung but Cm team makes a better product in most peoples eyes and they have better code so Samsung is clearly threatened by development from teams like cm... They want TW to be android kinda makes sense i guess
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] M3TALLICA:
How does CM threatens Samshyt ?

Be developer friendly - release the Exynos and other sources. CM team would deliver even better ROM and more people would buy Samshyt phone because they are more developer friendly (note that we are minority people who root and flash ROMs, Kernels etc)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
If Samsung was smart it would help devs, and then more phones would be sold... they are stupid as hell! -.-

Couldn't agree more Boy124 :good:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Nicko80:
If Samsung was smart they would sell in Europe the 4G S4 with octacore... Now they say its a quadracore 4G snapdragon to Europe? Wow... More persons will buy Note 2 until Note 3 comes out....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
Octocore doesn't support 4G (LTE)! Get your facts straight!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
This has already been discussed that 4G patent licensing for exynos will not be cost effective. So instead get the socs that already have that 4G LTE moden and assemble the phone. My region PAK always gets the exynos. Happy about it.

If UK change their LTE standards then they could get exynos, but one never set standards acc to one company.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
I would like to try the new big.LITTLE but in Portugal we get the 4G too... We'll see!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazibasit:
Ahan nice. But that 4G is on different bands. But its a good thing to have the best version of a device. A majority is still using 3g network. Hope in portugal u will get the 4g soon.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] abhinav quietly brilliant:
not a samsung anymore.. will try a nexus device this time
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Reynaldinho111:
Chas, are you keeping your note or are you gonna do the smart thing and sell it?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Scotte3:
If you are not getting another Samsung...

What is your next choice?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Reynaldinho111:
Sony yuga/Odin/whatever its gonna be called probably. It will most definitely be a Sony device unless Sammy steps their game up by the time the gs4 is released, which I highly doubt.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] eybee1970:
I said it once never to buy a device from a certain company (it was Motorola), if i'd continue with that for the next 4 devices, i would have to go back to my old Siemens S4....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Lol so far Sammy is doing pretty well I don't know what's the hate xD.. As far as I can see from tw ux (LRT) on note it has become better and better not to mention the new features on JB.. Multi windows and etc features are WAY ahead of AOSP.. TW its how android should be anyways.. Who cares about a plain/boring /simplistic rom like cm10.. AOSP roms are closer to iOS than any other in boringness/featureless terms... Sammy its always innovating and bringing a whole new world of stuff on every release.. Come on.. Just compare any AOSP JB 4.1.2 to TW (beta) XXLSC... Even the lock screen on AOSP sucks.. Oh wait I want to unlock my screen aww where's the fking tiny little circle I gotta slide to unlock and hey where to? Left? Right? BS...

"bloat" you don't even have to delete anything just hide it and that's it.. And you can always get a custom TW for any extra stuff.. But hey saying AOSP crap is anyway better than TW its plain dumb.. It's like comparing a stock subaru impresa with a rally twicked subaru impresa..

I got some friends with a nexus and when they saw my note on XXLS2 they flashed the TW add on and now they have nexus with TW just because it's beautiful

Yeah Google delivers a really good base to work with.. (AOSP) but hey let the professionals in business (multimillions companies) paying a crap load of money for innovation and revolutionary ideas do the job that's not for kids or benefisense... Rest its antagonism

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Savage13:
TW isn't what Android should be, Android is whatever the user wants it to be, it's open and you can customise it however you like.

I think you should stop ass kissing a big corporation that doesn't give a crap about you, they only care about your money.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Well I'm free to think anything and as everyone else here I'm expressing MY opinion... And I spend my money on what ever it want.. Erm and stop talking like there's a secret Evil conspiracy theory (let's manipulate people's minds to take their money muahaha) behind big corporations(I got brain you know?And I own LG android devices and nexus devices so I can tell what I like better) .. Oh yeah you don't have a Samsung rite? Or no better I should kiss some random nobody a$$ heck no..

Sounds like you are mad about something? I'm very happy with my device and the products samsung delivers.. So i think they DO care about me and costumers making us all happy.. Isn't that what's money for? Buy some kind of happiness?

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DJsCrIBbLe:
The yuga looks pretty bad ass im not gunna lie
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rraaka:
I find myself tilting in favour of the Sony experience too. But Im keeping my Note till I give it away to a dear one in the family. I literally have to hide it when the whole family is around , especially the youngsters !!

Well, lots of expert opinions here.

At the end of the day, its what SELLS over the counter that matters. Big corporates will always cater to that first. If you were in their shoes you would do that too. I phone popularity will also continue no matter how much we try to bring it down.

Throw a poll to the forum and you get your answers. Observe the number of downloads and you know whats what.

Experts are part of that 1% and they know how to get the best out of a very bad situation so it works out even in the end.

Variety is a criteria too. I couldnt possibly go for another device very simillar to the Note. I love Android though. It gives you a great learning platform. Its educative value is what will keep it alive for many generations.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bttcp12:
If it gives very good BJ, maybe you rethink your posture, at the moment there are no other like the note (S-Pen included), maybe in the future we got something better (Sony has a new promising patent).

For me I'll wait as long as my original note takes me, I still haven't used it at it's full potential.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Savage13:
I'm just saying Android is what ever you want it to be, if you want TW and your happy that's great.

Just be careful putting so much faith into a big company. You think Samsung got to the top caring about its customers or trying to get the most money out of them?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dsmas:
The customer is the King. He buys what he likes. None of here is a brand ambassador nor share holder of Samsung. Android rulz. But is it 100 % perfect may be 98%. (what would have happened had Microsoft entered the mobile before android).

We are all looking for better and best available phone within our budget. Most of us would have purchased Note2 if it was our first purchase, well that is another story.

As of today pls suggest me a better phone including any near releases (than Note1 or note2). What I am looking for is something between 5.5 and 6 inchs. More than 6 inches is a tablet not a phone. Elegant look, more ppi, best colors, fast processor and a brand name. Can't buy some tom dicky brand. Brand brings all other added features automatically.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Akiainavas:
Honestly ? If Windows Phone was an "open" OS like Android - i mean apps possibilities like Android, installing apks from unknown sources etc, i would gladly switch if they released 5+" device with it. I really liked WP7 but never again will i buy a smartphone where i have to synchronise my files via Zune or something equally ridiculous, where i'm not allowed to browse my phone's files or install an app i got from friend or from the web. WP Interface is amazing, but without those features it's not really what i consider a smartphone.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Seriously dude.. Why you keep talking about samsung going after people's money?.. They just releases products.. It's up to you and me to buy it.. Sony its playing different but hey samsung has owned Sony so bad the latest years in everything so they gotta get something.. I don't like Sony no matter what I don't like the build quality and I don't like the software or features in the Sony phones ... So LG? Sucks... So HTC? Hell no..Motorola? Not in a million years... Nexus series? Nej AOSP its boring and ugly and Google always cheap out so no extra memory or bad cameras no premium feel, etc.. So what's left? Chinese crap stuff? No thanks... I'd put my money with Samsung until other brand manages to get better products if ever

You know in the smartphone world Android has the 70% of the market share... And from the 100% of the Android world samsung owns 70% of it.. You can't go wrong with samsung and 70% of users can't be in a mistake..

But that's my point of view.. I'm not defending samsung.. I think they should support more development for people whom like AOSP.. But personally I don't like AOSP and if I have to choose I stay with TW.. As I said before I own several android devices from several brands and I can tell what I like and why I like..

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hth2813:
+1, samsung is not good but the other brands are even worse; and nexus is so simple! Samsung premium phone is rather good in comparison with others. And it is not all about rom, source to choose an android phone!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] epinephrin3:
Im going to have to agree with Savage13 here, you cant put too much trust into one company. All that companies care about is profit at the end of the day, if they didn’t make money selling phones they wouldn’t carry on just because that’s what people want. We don’t really decide what we want, companies make products with the features they want using the components they want depending on what is best for them. The customer has no say in any of that so we just end up getting to choose between a handful of devices that have been marketed and advertised in such a way that make people think they want or need that device when in a lot of cases they don’t. Apple is a very good example of this.

Just because the majority of people own a samsung phone does not mean that they are the best or that must mean they make good phones. It is probably more likely that samsung has spent more on advertising and marketing than other companies (and just so you know they do). This shows exactly what i mean: http://www.imore.com/samsung-spendi...ertise-galaxy-phones-against-apple-and-iphone

So don’t be so naive to say customer is king and you have the freedom to decide when your buying devices that are built to break and have a planned obsolescence of 2 years with a battery you cant simply just replace anymore.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Savage13:
I think you need to chill. I warned you about kissing big companies asses and gave my opinion on something you said, there is no need for all these statistics your throwing at me.I didn't target Samsung directly, I said " big companies".

It's obvious that you are a Samsung fanboy, I'll leave you to it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Haha am I a Samsung fanboy? Guess you don't have a Samsung and in that case what are you doing in this forum?.. If you have samsung then you are just talking BS.

If you carefully read my posts I'm saying I own LG optimus, Google galaxy Nexus and galaxy Note (sold xperia because it's crap) and being able to judge (not speculating) I can say samsung devices and TW are way ahead of any other thing I own or tried....

Just name 1 advantage of any other brand over samsung? And please stay away from saying developer support as I bastly said AOSP sucks and I have a Nexus and there's no other phone like Nexus for developer support or updates support due to the fact that Google updates nexus

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Reynaldinho111:
Bro, chill out. I'm sorry but you're arguing your opinion as if it were fact. The simple fact is Samsung makes fantastic hardware but their software and support is awful. Touchjizz is nothing but aosp with samsungs ugly ass theming and ridiculous proprietary stuff in the framework. To say that aosp sucks is ignorant as hell. One advantage of any other brand over Samsung ? Um how about the simple fact that they aren't Samsung, with brick bugs that, of course, are denied and patched half assed, they don't lie to the end users about source code release, Sony for one is 100% GPL compliant, something that needs to be made a standard with android device manufacturers. Sure Samsung have the best hardware of any brand but its the ethics behind it all that some of us are resentful of.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Yet another opinion..

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Reynaldinho111:
Um... which part was opinion? I did nothing but state facts. You might like touchjizz, awesome, good for you, I can appreciate and respect your opinion but to say aosp sucks is plain stupid. Aosp is Android in its purest unaltered form, Samsung takes aosp code and lays touchjizz on top of it just as Motorola does with motoblur etc. Every single ROM in the world uses aosp code, whether it be official or custom, but it sucks right? Well 70% of smartphone owners around the world seem to disagree with you. The rest have iPhones. The part that gets me the most is that you are a member of a development forum, for there to be actual development manufacturers need to provide absolutely everything thats the point of android, its open source, for anyone to modify, change, improve but when it comes to samsung that simply isn't the case, and youre saying thats okay because you like touchwizz. On the real dude, I've seen many of your posts in the past and you seem like an intelligent guy but everything you've said in this thread has lacked any form of common sense.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
I'm just being realistic.. Come on.. Have you tried latest JB leaks?.. Tell me when cm team will get close to multi windows? Or all the features with Spen? I got a note because I like Spen and the features.. Air view.. Gestures, etc.. I know what AOSP is and I also said plain AOSP roms sucks.. Already asked for a single advantage of AOSP (based) over TW roms.. With TW I can have the same things as with AOSP even the looks if that's what bother some.. But not the other way around..

As for insulting my intelligence.. Well we all reflect in others what we are huh?..

CM roms and derivates sucks.. Got nothing to offer for a device like this... And you can not compare a bunch of guys "developing" in their free time getting nothing out of it with the work made by a company Wich gets some serious money out of it...

I think you are misunderstanding.. I know AOSP its android itself.. But the way Samsung does modify it has no contender..

Make me wonder if you have ever tried the JB leaks.. Yeah in the past TW used to sucks.. I didn't like at all TW until LRT and even so I was first in the line to buy the note II because the new great features and the TW UX s3/note like.. Then XXLS2 came to the table and that was all for note II.. The JB upgrade will hold me up until the rumored new beast GS IV arrives.. See you in S IV forums (because I think you are smart enough to jump into the right ship, i mean you got a Note huh? ) ;)

Little something to amuse you http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35178313

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dsmas:
Why Samsung is inconspicuous to release the source codes?. What they are afraid of? Surely a developer feels hurt when he is denied a chance to analyze and he starts disliking.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rulinglionadi:
I can only add one thing...

what this PART TIME developers do here in XDA, Samsung has FULL TIME experts doing it Day and Night....

No offense to cyanogen but even he is no match to a whole team of developers working in samsung...

So YES they do care and they do work day and night to get the best...And you ask them to release source code saying what your PAID developers did DAY & NIGHT is crap we want to change it...

It HURTS doesnt it ?? So even without all these modifications samsung itself is a great set...

Why am i here ?? I did the mistake of rooting so i guess i will play with it till i get my next sammy device...and NEVER root it !!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Nobody knows.. But I do agree they should just release that sh¡t.. Nothing to lose

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] itsrijo:
i agree with you msedek. cm is not that great compared to the new jellybean touchwizz but only because the spen is integral to the note and cm does not support it.

can't blame them really because cm developers don't have the time to focus on a single device like the note.

well if you were ready to pay them I'm sure in time they would develop something amazing

@ msedek

have you tried the new paranoid Android ? what do you think of that ?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Well imagine the kind of money you should pay to any cm developer to even get closer to what TW UX is hehe..

Erm to be honest no, I haven't tried PA(on note) because 1 its CM based(no TW features support) and second.. I have a tablet so I don't need tablet mode ;)

But yeah I have tried PA directly from molesarecoming in my gnexus and a port some dude did for the LG Optimus 2X

Tapatalking on my n7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] GocaS6:
I really don't understand why are you *****in about Samsung? Ok we do need kernel sources, but you're gonna buy SONY?! Really :what:?

I never liked CM anyway, if i wish to have AOSP rom i would buy Nexus, simple as that. What's the point in buyin a Note and make him a criple with some rom that wasn't meant to be in the phone in the first place?

Go buy Nexus 4 why do you wanna buy Sony?!

I know that with all it's "faults" Note is a great phone and with official 4.1.2 TW will be even better. And faster then CM. With much more functions.

That's of course just my opinion.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kawgirlval69:
damn...too much whining, backbiting, and talking about jizz... i thought the topic was about the S IV, and not about hating samsung... wanna hate, make a thread and tear it up... that way when someone wants to read about what the title is about they dont have to wade through page after page of bs... not saying the opinions are bs because they are just that.. opinions and everyone is entitled to have one...just that its floated wayyy off topic here...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Reynaldinho111:
Yes I have tried the leaks and granted, they're better than before but they still feel like Samsung's usual crap. If you use the spen etc then no doubt tw is for you. But some of us bought the note because it was the only phone with this size screen (I dare someone to suggest the dell streak ;)). Sure the cm team cm don't get paid but hell they've built an entire new platform and support countless devices and all without the almost infinite resources available to a company like Samsung. This isn't a touchwizz vs cyanogenmod argument though, both have their pros and cons and appeal to different audiences. My point is Samsung are falling short when it come to providing what they're obligated to and as members of an android DEVELOPMENT forum people look for devices with a future in DEVELOPMENT. Sure Sammy are a huge company and put out products that work well out of the box but most of the xda community roots and ROMs their devices within hours of getting them. If you run stock then why are you here? To whoever asked, yes Sony, the hardware is good, the build quality is solid, the cameras are awesome plus I'd rather have a device that has all the necessary sources etc. After being disappointed with three Samsung devices I'm done for a good while. I'm also done with this thread I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall lol. Let's all just agree to disagree and move on.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] eroracing:
I like stock Tw with all the awesome features of the spen and multi Window! Why would you buy a galaxy note and take out all the cool features.... Just doesn't make sense to me! And as for the gs4 I will probably snatch it up only because Samsung makes great products and I like to have the latest and Greatest. I figured one year I'll buy the Note and the next will be the galaxy s model so I always have something new. This is all just my opinion of course.