yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ericlin0122:
works great!

canadian telus note2 LTE 16gb.

Thanks alot!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] khaliq:
Works great

Working perfectly on my At&t I317

Thank you for the tip!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] KhouryKhaos:
Question about future updates

Does this mean if you were to update your firmware in the future the unlock would be removed?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] kirkla79:
No. The unlock is permanent.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] KhouryKhaos:
Do you know if it's purely software based? I'm wondering if one was to flash a custom rom if that would affect the unlock.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
i confirm that it stays
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] impala1ss:
I did this on my 1713 but don't know if unlocked. Should it tell you? I don't have another sim.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ElCamino:
Just tried it on my AT&T Note II with a T-Mobile SIM and didn't ask me to provide a unlock code after doing the above OP instructions. Before trying the unlock method I turned phone with T-Mobile SIM and it asked for a unlock code.

Now will try it on my Galaxy S III running Jelly Bean.

Sent from my Windows 8 device using Board Express
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ubl:
DMCA

The information in this thread is now illegal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] BlackPhantomX:
Thanks for digging this long buried thread up just to tell us that...?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] TheFletch:
I could be wrong but I believe it would still be legal if the phone was bought before the law went into effect. At least that was my interpretation.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] UCLAKoolman:
And if you're no longer in a carrier contract, is it also illegal to unlock?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] twanskys204:
Nope then the phone is yours ...I think....its just when u owe them for the phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] kirdroid:
Awesome, works flawlessly with both ATT sgs3 and ATT Note 2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] redrider54:
i keep getting no connection or invalid ime? code.. on both my att gsiii and att gnii
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] BlackPhantomX:
Some people believe that you still need to get permission from the carrier to unlock the phone to switch to another service even if your contract is over.

Here's a link to the docket for you legal buffs/lawyers who want to translate it for us:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2012-26308.pdf

Frankly, it's not going to stop people, and it's going to take a lot for cell phone companies to enforce such a thing. There are people out there, such as Craigslist, who buy new phones and renew their contract, but continue using their old phone and simply turn around and sell their new phone at full price.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] uk19xx:
My Model Samsung SGH-1317,

Base band I317UCAMA4 on 4.1.2.

but I cannot see the [4] NW Lock NV Data INITIALLIZ menu.

anything I did wrong?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] willxander3:
U have 2 downgrade the radio/modem to 4.1.1
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] eggylisk:
Hey guys. I downgraded to 4.1.1, and followed everything else but when I put in a T-Mobile sim, it says NO SIM. Where could I have gone wrong? I tried multiple other T-Mobile sims and they didn't work as well. Help?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mommymom41:
Mine too.

Mine didn't show that line either. I'm puzzled??? Cellular unlocker said they would touch mine because it was bought in the US after Jan. 2013. WTF???

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I have tried to find a downloadable version of the firmware v4.1.1, but can't find it anywhere? Where did you find it? Please. I have been with at&t for years and am just a mom who is just a little, and I mean a little tech savy. I just want to keep my note 2, even though I switched to metro pcs. In Sacramento, CA.

PLEASE HELP?? ANYONE??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] eggylisk:
Got it from here youtube /user/cellphoneunlockbuddy?feature=watch

In his downgrading video description he has a link to his blog that has written instructions and links to stuff taht you need.

Hope this helps! Let me know how it works out for you
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mommymom41:
Nope but I tried

Well I tried again but the file did not unzip the way it was supposed to and nothing happened again. There's always tomorrow right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
Hey guys, first time poster but long time forum stalker :highfive:

I've just unlocked my old SGH-i317 (AT&T), and a brand new SGH-i317(AT&T) I picked up.

Both were on 4.1.2, downgraded to 4.1.1 and then unlocked and reflashed back to 4.1.2. One of them went to metroPCS (a tmobile mvno) and the other also works under tmobile network, but is going to be used @ redpocket, which is an AT&T mvno.

Anyways, thanks for the post OP. I'd buy you a beer if you were in Miami, Florida.:victory::victory::victory::victory:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] harry0717:
I'm on Rogers I317 4.1.2 CleanROM 4.8

I can't find [4] NW Lock NV Data after pressing on [3]...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mommymom41:
Firmware???

What site did you get the v4.1.1 firmware from, and could you copy and paste the link?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
If anyone is having trouble finding the original AT&T firmware.

here you go:

1) http://terafile.co/f9961f60449f/ATT_I317UCALJ2_I317ATTALJ2.zip

2) http://uploaded.net/file/zav0n3rw

hope it works out for ya. :good:

PS: Fix the link by removing the _ between : and /

Ignore^^^

Edited to fix links (a post count limitation)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mommymom41:
The mommy that was stuck

Thank you so much emeianoite, It worked and I am so happy. You gave me the best Christmas Present this year. Thanks again. One Samsung Galaxy Note II "UNLOCKED".
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
I'm glad it worked out for you. Merry latemas
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ken2kold:
i have a SGH-I317 with a straight talk sim and i am on 4.1.1 i get the error message on the pic after rebooting
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
That usually means that sim isn't active.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ken2kold:
thank you i just talked to them about it and i got it resolved thank you:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] tonylee000:
Did you go stock or a old version of a custom rom (that's based on stock such as ARHD)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
I'm pretty sure I went back to 4.1.1 (UCALJ2) to perform the unlock, then I upgraded back to 4.1.2 (MA4), I then upgraded to official 4.3 (MK6)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] tonylee000:
I had started downloafing the stock firmware that came kn it, - ALIJ but since realised that the sim needs activating or something. Voda and iranve work, it was 3 that wouldn't connect. Phone must have been unlocked when I got it. Ill call three to activate the sim. Thanks for your help anyway
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] TremuloS:
worked for me

this worked for me

stock at&t note 2 sph i317 4.1.2 firmware locked to at&t usa

just flashed the 4.1.2 modem and followed the instructions worked perfect first try.

thanks a bunch
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Gabmot0220:
HI,

originally when i got my locked phone here in thew philippines, im on 4.1.2 can you show me how to downgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.1.1 and where can i download the file? thank you
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] kylemalone:
Work for at&t note II running 4.3?

Rooted 4.3 at&t note II. Will this work?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] whitetiger_0603:
Just tried this on unrooted 4.3. Won't work. Needs to be down graded.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Zen Arcade:
You need to be running the lj2 modem for this procedure to work. I'm not sure if 4.3 will boot with this modem.... Worst case you need to revert to 4.1.1 firmware by following one of the guides here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lalit1:
Use this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=48617714
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] kuttor:
Thx for the info.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ¡OM3GA!:
2 questions

so i need to be on 4.1.1?

and also will these delete everything on my phone?

i have it rooted so i can use TI Backup

one more lol

is there an app that can unlock the phone i heard of galaxsim, but its locked for all devices in the usa. on the google play store website it says This item cannot be installed in your device's country so can i just get the apk and unlock it this way?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
Bump for sticky!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] AgentTran:
I did this, but I'm pretty sure it was unsuccessful.

What I was able to do though, was even though this phone was locked to Rogers, I tried my friends chatr SIM and it still worked.

I'm not sure if it was unlocked, or if it worked just becuase chatr uses the same network as Rogers. (All in Canada)

Any help guys?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mr.hellgate:
Guys, I seriously need your help here to figure out what I'm doing wrong the whole time with my Note 2.

Here's what I've done (messed up?) allready:

1. Got this phone from a friend, directly flashed CM on it. Needed a little work'around and then worked.

2. Didn't let me use my SIM, so tried to flash an STOCK ROM. broke it.

3. Recovered it with KIES, so had an Stock 4.3 Samsung GT-N7100.

4. Flashed the right Orange FRANCE stock ROM v. 4.1.1

5. Followed this instruction, got into the menu, but it looks slightly different and after finding the correct sub-locations it say's sth. like that menu couldn't be found or so.

Greetings

P.S. sorry for this pretty bad english...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Tornade69:
Flash LJ2 Modem over 4.3 rom?

Is this possible to flash the 4.1.1 (LJ2) modem over the 4.3 Rom (MK5) for the unlocking process ??? Don't want to mess with the 4.3 Bootloader and Knox... Should be easier by flashing only the radio/modem ???
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] truefat:
I've done it and it worked fine
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Sampler33:
Thanks, works like a charm.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] vinnyj85:
How did you guys update mines has been unlocked and aws modded I want to update but I dont want to lose those two things because I use tmobile in my i317m
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] AgentTran:
I tried this on my Note 2 on Android 4.3 back when I first got it, but it didn't work, the last few menu options didn't come up.

I'm not sure if it's unlocked or not because I did go through a majority of the process, and since then I've flashed 2 different ROMS, both of them Android 4.4.2, and to this day I am not sure if it's unlocked.

I tried going through the procedure again, but when I try and phone that number, instead of bringing up the menu, it says no mobile network available. (No plan or SIM inside the phone.)

I can't check either, my whole family runs on Rogers and Chatr, and since Chatr runs on Roger's network, I've heard that it works on Rogers phones.

I need some help!

Canadian SGH-I317

SLIM 4.4.2. ROM

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
People need to read more often.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mooneyb:
I made a video showing these steps. Thanks for the Info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVrhNO__9JY
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] cuti7399:
I got the same message. Did you find out if it's indeed unlocked?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] plcita14:
I have android 4.3 on my AT&T note 2 and It did not work,any idea forandroid4.3

I have note 2 from AT&T android 4.3 , it did not work.

I didnt get last step 4) NW Lock NV Data Initialize.

Does anyone have any idea for this ?

Version 4.3
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emeianoite:
Why don't you read 3 posts up for the answer?

Come on children, ya'll went to school. READ.:good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] tatuk:
The links you provided, teacher, are not alive any more...

Does anybody have the old modem somewhere?..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] xBkKx:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m1l5l775g3bkqyf/AACXT8DshBWRQJ67haoadWuga?dl=0

https://mega.co.nz/#F!nFVhjZTT!w0pfr_Qr4DTHVOGJ1aAUbw

https://app.box.com/s/q8f2dgy6135w13ofev0h
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] emikpogi:
I have note 2 ATT 4.4.2 NE5 firmware was upgraded using OTA, It is safe to flash LJ2 using odin? has anyone done this before on NE5?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mrxup:
I have a rooted at&t sgh-i317 4.4.2 NJ1 does this fix changing to an old modem/radio fix can be used in my phone as I saw in the youtube video .note: in the video is 4.3 thanks in advance
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] 5318008:
Edit: I meant to post this in a different, but similar thread.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Squida:
All i get when dialing the number is, Mobile network not available, using SlimKat Rom

Also tried using this ROM >HERE<

And now it does not do anything, my guess is the ROM does not have the files to boot using the dial pad.

Anyone know how to fix this?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sandeepsarhal@gmail.com:
it works dude
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] DAGr8:
U need to be on a TouchWiz rom
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] pat__boy:
thx work like a charm !
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] xtacydima:
I followed all the steps and it worked - tested with a different carrier sim to be sure!!!

Just one question, I downgraded to version 2 of the modem but now the link is broken to go back to version 4.

Can someone repost the file please, or can a newer version at this point in time be recommended to use that is perhaps newer or better than version 4?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] LKJEFoi234:
Sammobile.com should have the latest firmware. You should be able to flash the firmware, which includes the newest modem. Then re-root, and install whatever ROM you want. This worked on my S5.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] audit13:
AT&T never released the full firmware for any ROM beyond 4.1.2. Newer ROMs were only released as OTA updates so the usual site, like updato and sammobile, will not have the firmware.

Try searching XDA for stock firmware files.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] oolloo:
Not illegal to carrier/SIM unlock also not dmca

Thanks for the link however this website is used outside of the USA and in 5 if the g7 countries incl Canada it is not illegal to unlock even if a balance is owed up to Dec 2017. The rule stated that they must provide you with unlock code once you've subscribed for 90 days. They charged a $50 fee and made millions. However as of Dec 2017 a new Law cane into effect stating that it's ILLEGAL to sell carrier locked phones in Canada. Regardless of balance etc. I've unlocked gs3, 4, 5, 7, 8 by simply calling carrier and stating I want the unlock code and giving them model and imei.

Re DMCA. It stands for Digital Millenium Copyright Act the last two letters. There is nothing copy written about a lock on or off. LMAO its not anything. Also it's a U.S. law brought in by Bill Clinton .

This site is worldwide and would do well to keep info up and available as it will be used legally at least in Canada . As its legal and free to unlock your phone's. That's the Law. Look it up or call any reputable Canada cell dealer. Or 1800samsung ask for Canada agent .

The caveat is that some Samsung agents may claim phones not Canadian or in thier database. All you can do is call back or goto a dealer

That happened to me when the agent claimed my

Note 2 bell sgh-i317m. Imei code was not in thier database or my i said are you sure it's got a bell mobility SIM working. Said same about my s1 captivate . Not sure why that is but as I said s3-s8 no issues code over the phone.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] force70:
Lol, congrats you just quoted a post from 2013 :eek:

I still have my Note 2 as im sure a few others do also but there is very little support here for it now so many years later. I think there a re still a rom or two going but thats about it

sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] wase4711:
I get the same message on my gn2; maybe you need to be on a certain type of rom to do this?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] pigbait:
Worked for me Rogers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Cryptik!:
Wrong. Illegal my butt. I paid full price for mine and will do as I please. Many here have done the same. Don't be spreading the wrong information
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] j_e:
Does the phone need to be on a certain baseband? I think that would make sense. I am on i317UCALJ2, another site said you need to be on baseband t889UVALK8. I'm not sure if that is a T-Mobile baseband? I am looking to go from AT&T to Cincinnati Bell (sim card based carrier).

Any help here?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] asd313asd:
Thank you so much! Worked on rogers Note II I317M!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] storm_rider_1:
I get "connection problem or invalid MMI code" on my AT&T I317.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] weezill:
You might have to be on a touchwiz based ROM. I remember from my Galaxy S/Note1 days that the samsung service codes don't work on CM ROMs. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

I'm on TELUS I317MVLALJ2/CLEANROM ACE 4.0.5 and it worked great. Tested with a ROGERS SIM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] funnycreature:
Maybe this is a stupid question but does the unlock stay once you flash different ROMs or modems? I unlocked (successfully) when it was stock but since have flashed plenty of CleanROM goodness :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] storm_rider_1:
I am on cm10.1, I will flash cleanrom when I get home tonight and try it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] kenfly:
The only thing the law does is removes a shield that you have if you get sued over unlocking your phone. Honestly, I've never read about anyone getting themselves into something like that so I think it's unlikely something that drastic will happen to any of us.

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The unlock is written to the RADIO chip not the firmware. Completely different part of the phone. So flashing roms would not affect it at all
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] storm_rider_1:
I flash back to a Touchwiz Rom from CM Rom, and it worked perfect. Thanks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] celkin:
Im with Rogers (i317-m) kept getting error when entering dialer code with Paranoid Android. Recovered my original (touchwiz) nandroid and the procedure worked like a charm. Flashed back to PA and popped in my girls Bell micro-sim and works perfectly.

Thank you, this is awesome!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rorycs:
Is there any way to reverse this mod?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rayandreas:
Why would you want to reverse it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] storm_rider_1:
Wouldn't you just un install it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mwinggg:
tried it on my rogers i317m, bell sim worked, flashed n7105 rom, still unlocked, brought to hong kong put prepaid hk sim, worked as well
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] yeahmon:
Worked on my ATT Samsung SGH-i317 just fine.

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] DAGr8:
This thread amaze me.. It works on stock ROM and I highly doubt it was left there by mistake.. There goes the legal stuff I see it as a built in option...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rayoubi:
What if I flashed a new rom or did a factory reset does it save the unlock?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ScottRTL:
Unlocked is unlocked, do what you will with the phone, it'll remain unlocked. (From my experience)

Sent from my Galaxy Note II on Rogers Wireless
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] captspaulding1000:
does not work on bell note 2 after the update to 4.1.2 should have done this sooner i guess.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] {C0deF0x}:
Easy Peasy

Possibly the easiest unlock method ive ever seen. thanks a lot!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] bmwmpower88:
Best thing to do is, go to ODIN flash the original 4.1.1 stock with supersu if you want. And then try the unlock code, and then unlock it, and then re-update the software with ODIN again to 4.1.2 or over OTA. Best part of linux is you can always downgrade and upgrade.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] UCLAKoolman:
Worked on my AT&T Note 2 running stock 4.1.2

I had errors at first because I was a derp and didn't notice the " * " at the beginning of the code *#197328640#
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] 2phonejones:
thank you!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Angelbane1:
Ya know the DMCA covers breaking encryption ... since this requires no breaking of encryption or other circumventions of the device other than a function that is BUILT IN to the device it actually nay not be illegal.

If this method was not there and a code was required then unlocking would be illegal, but saying unlocking this way is like saying clicking start->run-> and typing a windows system command is illegal.

just my own thoughts.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] imax_1:
unlocking i317m

I also have the 4.1.2 update on my Canadian i317M Note 2 and could not unlock with this method. I am new here in xda, could you please tell me how or where I can find more information on how to go back to the original 4.1.1 stock. Thanks very much.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ScYm:
Works Great. Thanks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] etrustin:
It works great in my phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] pnguyen86:
I can confirm this worked on my Note 2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Northdan:
Im on Telus SGH-I317m and the unlock methode does not work for me (no option number 4 when i go back).

Can someone confirm that this is working when downgrading to 4.1.1 and then back to 4.1.2, thank you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
Anyone know if this persist if we unlocked with the old modem then update de modem firmware?

i just tried to do it again with the new rogers modem but the NV initialisation don't show up. i don't know if its still unlocked:confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] trizyman:
Worked for me. Att note 2 4.1.2 jedi rom xpx
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
With BMA3 modem?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] greatg:
Does anyone have a new code for a stock 4.1.2? The exisitng code no longer works after the upgrade? I'm using a I317M
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Sameer3.b:
Works for me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] greatg:
got it working
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
Can you elaborate on how? Please
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mauk80:
Stayed unlock for me, did this on old modem and old rom and recently updated to MA8 with the new M3 modem and RIL files.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
Just tried with a bell sim and I confirm it persist :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] greatg:
Sorry, didn't work. I have no option #4 when I go back in the menu?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] prashant19p:
Restore your device to 4.1.1 and then try

you might be on 4.2.2 and they removed the option 4 in this new update.

i was in the same boat as you are right now..

then i did something and restore it back to 4.1.1 and then unlcok the phone and update it back to 4.1.2

and phone is still unlocked and i am using it with different carrier...

so google it and find some good way to do this..

i am newbie and what i did was confusing for me .. so i dont wanna give you any wrong advice..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] greatg:
Nope, I checked and I'm running 4.1.2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
it should not have anything to do with the ROM, but with the baseband (modem) firmware. try going back to the modem that was stock with your 4.1.1 and then unlock it then go back to the new modem (choose the right modem that goes with your provider)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] greatg:
But, if I have the stock rom, why would the modem firmware be different? Anyways, I'[m not in a hurry to unlock so, may just keep things the way they are...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rotule:
New modem came with 4.1.2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] djbrian52:
Just tried this with success. Here's my system setup.

Sent from my Note II...where BIGGER is better!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ArborRes:
Those of you who get the "No connection or invalid IME code" may be forgetting to type * character in the beginning of the dial number.

That's what happened to me the first time I type the phone number to get into the options. Hope this helps some. :)