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[Nexus 4 General] Kushblow:
This is exactly why I still have the OEM plastic on the front screen 2 weeks into owning the N4. I simply CANNOT risk the screen being scratched - as soon as the screen has a visible scratch, you might as well throw the phone out.

Good news about the back also took the plastic off and so far not a scratch or mark and that includes running around shooting 1080p video with it in a forest lol. The leather pouch I have does wonders.
[Nexus 4 General] deviusdragger:
these screens suck for durability. Had my gs2 without a screen protector for 7 months no problems, get this damn phone and 2nd day a nice little scratch on the bottom. I should not have to buy a damn case and screen protector and hide the sexiness of a phone just to keep it from getting little scratches. ridiculous
[Nexus 4 General] Kushblow:
Please provide a solution to this dilemma. LG has already included oleophobic coating and gorilla glass 2. The only compromise left to make would have been to make the glass thicker (thus the phone bigger).

What could have possibly been done better?
[Nexus 4 General] MattSkeet:
Let's evaluate.

1. I bet all my money that there is a topic on every single phone forum on xda that has unexplained, out of nowhere scratches. It's not just this phone that scratches ffs

2. Gorilla go glass or not it's still a glass even diamond screen would scratch

3. Question to OP. Looking at the type of the scratch and where it is, I'd assume this isn't scratch from sand in a pocket. Clearly you had it either in front or back pocket, screen facing towards the world, and either ..

a) you sat son something while you had it in back pocket

b) you hit something e.g table while you had it in front pocket .

c) you just don't want to admit what you actually have done with the phone. This doesn't look like accidental scratch where you had a one or two tiny marks( and normally it would be all over the screen as phone moves in your pocket ), this is proper abuse of the screen. More than half a dozen scratches in the same place? Yeah right you didn't do anything.

4. Question to everyone else. What is wrong with skinny jeans ? They look better than a tracksuit.
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

Jeans are often stone washed these days to make brand new jeans look like you've had them 20 years already, or are deliberately torn or threaded by being thrown onto spinning disks of sand paper, such is fashion :confused:

Particles of grit and sand (perhaps microscopic and invisible to the eye) from this process are most likely caught in the seems of the pocket. Let this be a warning to all.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] irishrally:
Do you have to pay extra for the stones? I just want a pair of jeans that fits.
[Nexus 4 General] uberNoobZA:
So you wasn't LG or Google to do something about the sand/dirt/lint in your pockets? just so you know, they will laugh at you when you try sand make out like their product is faulty just because you scratched the screen.
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
The Mohs scale of mineral hardness.

Harder stuff scratches softer stuff. It's like the rock/paper/scissors game except for the harder mineral ALWAYS wins.

The composition of sand is highly variable. Some of it is bound to be VERY hard -probably harder than the screen on your phone. When a tiny particle of sand that is harder than your phone it's going to scratch it when it comes in contact with it -especially if it is trapped against it in your pocket. Glass can only be made so hard with current technology. Gorilla glass is strong, and harder than many things -but there are still many things out there harder. Sand often contains a few granules in it that are harder than your gorilla glass.

This isn't rocket science. It's just minerals.
[Nexus 4 General] drpepe:
Yeah this damage looks like repeated scratches in the same places either side of the screen. ie. Misuse / abuse
[Nexus 4 General] LargePig:
I put a hulking great scratch down the front of my iPhone 4 by wiping it with my t shirt within days of owning it. Must have been a single bit of grit there. My N 4 has been in my pocket unprotected for about 3 weeks and not a mark.

If it's scratched, you scratched it with something harder than gorilla glass. It would have scratched any phone unless you have one with a sapphire screen or something.
[Nexus 4 General] parker7:
My balls are to big for skinny jeans. Looks like I'll buy a screen protector and a case. Unlucky about the scratches.
[Nexus 4 General] vram81:
Be prepared to see it slowly slide off the pillow and onto the floor :D
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I really am wondering how many people are going to pay whenever they very a scratch.

I have had mine done the 27th and have used the hell out of it and do not have a single scratch. I have no case our anything.

There is no reason most people cannot keep this phone looking decent. It is not a LG. We know it is a glass device. And it really is not half as fragile s people are making it seem.
[Nexus 4 General] NardVa:
Lol..but seriously these phones should not scratch that easy. It appears some phone are getting hit with the right circumstances to scratch. I've seen YouTube test with people scratching away at the phone with no marks. Then all of a sudden a person gets a scratch from having the phone in thier pocket.
[Nexus 4 General] tweaked:
The op is not being truthfull.

We all know you are on the internet and therefore you must be atleast 250 lbs. Skinny jeans. Please.

:laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Question to you.

What's right about skinny jeans on a guy:what:
[Nexus 4 General] Tibbz96:
All I wear is skinny jeans and my N4 is still spotless after 3 weeks..
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
Because your skinny jeans prevent you from doing anything risky or active. Lol
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Man, I'm still rocking mine naked for almost two weeks in my pocket, still mint. Same with the rest of the phones I've had (Sig). Why is that? It's not like I'm babying them or something. Just using common sense like dedicating pocket to it and staying clean.
[Nexus 4 General] MattSkeet:
I don't have a problem with skinny jeans. Its you, so I'm asking what is your problem with skinnies ?

Back to topic....

Guys look at the photo again. Phone has exactly the same scratches on both sides of the screen.

This is not a pocket dust/sand scratch but proper abuse mechanical damage
[Nexus 4 General] aphlipot:
Yeah based on the scratches it wasn't from a pocket, I am not sure about 'proper' abuse, but I agree with abuse none the less. Got my phone on the 29th. Not a single scratch, not case, no screen protector, mint condition. I don't know how people seem to think these are so fragile, I treat it as I have every other phone I have ever had.
[Nexus 4 General] 666fff:
I've found that carrying the phone in the box is the best way to prevent damage. Also you can have all the accessories with you at the same time. Genius.
[Nexus 4 General] Devildog78965:
How do u like the case I'm getting one Monday or Tuesday and I can't wait is it silicon or hard plastic
[Nexus 4 General] rosswaa:
Iv had my phone for 2 weeks just over and not a single blemish on this beast, I don't take particular care of it and I have dropped it down the stairs, shat myself but not even a bump on it

What is it all these people do that come here saying it was in my pocket or it was on the desk and it was scratched

People carrying around mini chainsaws in their pockets these days?
[Nexus 4 General] cotda:
**I dont actually own an N4 - Looking before I buy **

I dont see why everyone is bashing the OP? A phone should be able to take being in your pocket? My old Xperia Play has no scratches/chips and that has been chucked around, dropped on the floor, into a bag with keys .etc. LG really need to sort that out! And why not just get a case? Its extra money, and they ruin the beauty of the raw phone.
[Nexus 4 General] rosswaa:
If you don't own one why comment? The phone is fine it's the owner that's not
[Nexus 4 General] Kushblow:
You see, the Nexus 4 can "take" being in a pocket easily with proper care. The reason OP is being bashed is because he is just 1 of the 87 people that come to xda daily and post threads about how their phones are being scratched by pocket demons apparently. How all of a sudden with no abrasive materials in their pockets they got huge scratches like this guy (meanwhile posting pics that show point of impact).

It just gets tiring.
[Nexus 4 General] cotda:
Because, im researching the product? If the phone is easily scratched, I'll stick to my old one.

Okay, thanks ;)
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Skinny jeans is not the problem. I wear skinny jeans but I'm not dumb enough to put the phone in my jeans pocket.

Also, I wash my jeans.

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OK don't buy one.

We got it.
[Nexus 4 General] zakth:
Skinny jeans are hott... just sayin'
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Hahaha too funny wow if people really do this why even buy this phone.
[Nexus 4 General] cotda:
Chill. I was simply querying the ease of damage, and as it has been shown that it is just the user, im still interested :p Anywho, continue with the topic.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Who's arrogant? I see you edited your post. But I still want to ask who's arrogant?

You said you are unsure about getting a Nexus 4, I answered OK don't buy one.

How's that arrogant?

Dude you are so touchy.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
After taking of my BSE I noticed a scratch which sucks. Must have been some sand or dirt I always keep it in a picket alone
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Mine has been in my pocket for two weeks as well as the rest of my history of phones and it looks mint. Never any cases or protectors. The phone is not the problem.
[Nexus 4 General] d_phekt:
Do giant balls in skinny jeans cause dinosaur knuckle?
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
You'll never know.

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 General] DLFB:
And what exactly do you want them to do/say :confused: ?

I'm curious.
[Nexus 4 General] xdviper:
Man, I wear skinny jeans also. My phone bulges out like my second penis, but I still can't understand how you would have sand or anything like that in your jeans that could rough up the phone like that.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
Wow, I did not see the picture before. Dude, that really looks like something seriously scraped it. I have no idea how that could have happened in a pocket unless maybe you had something else in there or maybe something you leaned against dirt it.. Not sure but looks like more than jeans did that..

It looks like a series of scratches, not just a scrape from a couple grains of sand. That looks awful dude..

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Zoom in on that image. Tell me if that looks like something that could possible happen in just a pocket.

No offense to the op but I just do not buy most of these posts... Either something happened that these guys were not aware of them are just making things up, exaggerating, or just changing what really happened. These scraps look like the corner was really dragged against something....

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[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
I'll leave it to this link (NSFW):

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/56713/the-tyrannosaurus-toe/
[Nexus 4 General] bigwillis:
OP should go to lens crafters or an eye glass place of some sorts....they have fine scratch and scuff remover....I'm sure would take care of that or at least make it look better.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Ah hell no!!!:eek:
[Nexus 4 General] incantevole:
concrete reaches a high strength in 7 days but it takes 28 days to fully cure. could the same thing be true of the glass?
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
No
[Nexus 4 General] elliot.newnham:
Today I got fashion advice from a bunch of obviously fashion savvy guys on XDA developers. And most guys here have huge balls.
[Nexus 4 General] jeetS:
true, and typical concrete takes 28 days to achieve its design strength. which is its "28 day" strength.

but it continues to cure waaaaay beyond 28 days…
[Nexus 4 General] d_phekt:
After seeing that I think my testicles just re-ascended so far back into my body I think I now have 3 adams apples. Skinny jeans may fit now, but turtle necks are definitely gonna be a problem.
[Nexus 4 General] sidat24:
Let's just stop complaining about the OP's questionable fashion sense and agree on one thing. The nexus 4 is made of glass, and will obviously be prone to scratching. If you want to avert this, just by a five-dollar screen protector. Compared to the price of the phone itself, this cost is nothing.
[Nexus 4 General] svengalis:
Why did you take the screen protector off?
[Nexus 4 General] dbareis:
My alternative (for any phone) has been avoid putting phone in pockets, (and never in jean/tight ones) and if I do put it in pockets make I sure they are clean. I'm paranoid and I sill accidently put my keys in same pocket on odd occasions, best to have a holster :)

I should also mention my phone is in a case (which fits in the holster) also and I have a screen protector on it.
[Nexus 4 General] coukalamin:
You shouldve invested on a screen protector mate. Sorry to hear whay happened though.
[Nexus 4 General] Fataldesain:
There is a reason this phone is 300 dollars. There is no way the front or back is gorilla glass. Looks like LG hasn't really changed much.
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
Nobody finds odd that the scratches are horizontal?
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
So your implying that they lied and false advertised. Huh to funny.
[Nexus 4 General] bobola:
It says "Corning(R) Gorilla(R) Glass 2" right on the playstore page..

But if someone proves is not, would google be false advertising ?
[Nexus 4 General] BumbleG:
Any glass, Gorilla or not, can be scratched by small particles and drops with enough force. The main benefit with GG, is its force and impact resistance, but GG2 is extremely thin, from personal experience with my One S as well as lots of reading around the web, it is still very prone to damage if you're not careful.
[Nexus 4 General] n82k:
And most prone to scratches from small particles like sand ingrained in pocket lint. Anyone blaming this on another (google/LG) than the owner/scratcher is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to start threads.

Sent from Nexus 4 - cm10 - faux kernel beta001
[Nexus 4 General] incantevole:
i've had a htc glacier for almost two years and never used a case or any other protection and the screen is perfect. the body is in very good shape as well. goes in my pocket all the time. sits on a pad at home and office and has a good home in my car.

my wife has a case on her phone and the glass is still perfect as well. however, i had to take it off in order to pop out the battery and saw that the body has a number of worn areas. i wouldn't put a case on the N4 for that reason. maybe apply clear protectors but that seems like it would spoil the phone. probably going to roll the dice and go bareback.

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sure, we could get into the weeds with admixtures, aggregates, fly-ash content etc. but this is a phone forum...

i am wondering if there is any chance the glass needs more time to "set up". seems unlikely, however; it turns out that the glue that holds the screen in place doesn't fully cure before customers are receiving their phones.
[Nexus 4 General] drpepe:
Seems a daft thing to say really. Clearly the OPs damage comes from repeated or continuous contact from an abrasive material, NOT from a manufacturers deficiency or invisible pocket gremlins.

Yeah, this.
[Nexus 4 General] tweaked:
Kids. Here is the reason you should not eat paint chips.
[Nexus 4 General] wilsonlam97:
Effin sand.
[Nexus 4 General] Jess813:
Going on 2 weeks not 1 scratch:)
[Nexus 4 General] rosswaa:
You realise they lose money on every device sold? They've made the price cheap to take as much of a chunk out of the market share from apple
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
You do realise that even non-Gorilla glass is still very hard and will not be scratched by metal objects?

Your comment is not only wrong, it's stupid.
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
You forgot ignorant.

Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
[Nexus 4 General] abufaka:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1866049

some info on gg.

oh and btw it ranges between 7-9 on the mohs scale. can't be scratched by anything softer. size doesnt matter. quartz (most of sand is quartz) is in the 7 region.

and no, lint won't scratch it. even if it was a small particle ;)

xda is taking kind of a down spiral with the popularity gained by media attention to the nex 4. but then again i'm just an old fart sobbing about the good old times muhahaha.

my old milestone 2 (gorilla glass) was very! scratch resistant, and i abused it a lot. i guess with the nex it won't differ. i wish gg would have also made it theft resistant ;)
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
They are not losing money... It costs on average around $150 each to make premium phones like the i phone, etc..
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Were did you get that info. Your own freaking head? What a stupid comment...:D
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
First, its more around 200$ for the iPhone. Second, I hate when people say 200$ to make, 400$ sell price = 200$ profit. There are sooooo many more costs than parts and labor. You have administration, shippings in and out of factory, legal fees, warranty, promoting, R&D, taxes on infrastructure, equipment.

If the Nexus 4 costs 150$ to make, it is far from meaning it is sold at profit at 300$.
[Nexus 4 General] DLFB:
I'm not OP if you're lazy to look up, but the front factory protector that the phone comes with is weak.

I accidentally had my leather wallet graze it a bit and it just came off easy - I had the phone in my pocket and I put my wallet on the same pocket. I was worried I'd scratch the phone since I didn't have a screen protector yet on that day, but thankfully 48 hrs later my protector came in the mail and my phone was still mint.

The back protector on the other hand is well placed. Unless you really forcibly take it off it can take some abuse.
[Nexus 4 General] threeclaws:
I've had mine since the Friday after launch and not a single scratch, the OP's looks like he skidded it across the ground.

LG isn't losing money and I doubt google is going to lose money on it, that's something amazon did/does to push their products, also the N4 is never going to sell in numbers that apple has anything to worry about.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
Not sure where you got your numbers from and if either are accurate which is why I said it was an "average"... These products are built in bulk and obviously that cost is part of that average. These phones are built in factories that pay barely anything for labor and most of the parts are manufactured in the same area.

The point is, they are not losing money.... they are making millions off the phone and the added app sales as well.

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[Nexus 4 General] rosswaa:
Fair enough the cost in parts might cost sod all, packaging, testing, shipping, admin of products still costs, so I might have exaggerated they make loss but they still don't make loads of each device. They only make loads by selling in sheer quantity which is why they won't gunna lie about what glass is on the damn thing.

Everyone seems to want to throw the blame at the phone rather than themselves
[Nexus 4 General] cheritcc:
maybe it's not gorilla 2 at all, like it does not support OTG, but google said it does earlier.:silly:

anyone know how to verify this?

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and i checked the website of corning, seems the nexus 4 is not on their product list :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
The LG section doesn't look like it's been updated in about a year.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Really? Really??? Wow that's a huge spec on this phone the Gorilla Glass 2. The otg was a mistake it happens but mistakes this big when Corning and Google have been pushingGorilla Glass 2 on this phone for months now. That would be a straight out lie and completely illegal. Come on now.
[Nexus 4 General] kristoff125:
The USB-OTG thing is also a straight out lie.
[Nexus 4 General] cheritcc:
there is Droid DNA and lumia 920 which are newer than Nexus 4 I think, it's not likely that they updated HTC and Nokia, but left only the LG.

I hope corning made a mistake about this though, as I already ordered my nexus 4

in fact, I dont care whether it is gorilla glass, like my nexus s, it's not gorilla glass, and i used it for nearly 2 years, i always put it in my bag with keys and everything, and it didnt get scratches like in this post. it seems like the glass of nexus 4 is not only not gorilla but also much softer than ordinary glass. that's the thing bothers me.
[Nexus 4 General] doctahjeph:
the opposite for me. back protector came off after second time putting in my pocket. my front is still on without issues. so i wouldn't state your comment as fact. i think it depends on how either is installed on the phone.
[Nexus 4 General] aceo07:
I was sceptical at first, but I got my first scratch after over 2 weeks and I did nothing unusual. The phone has been in the same pockets dozens of times. The pockets are clean and are only used to hold the phone. I work in an office environment in the city with no abnormal exposure to sand. (I'm also not a dirty slob.)

The scratch is on the back, very close to the camera. Luckily not on the camera area..
[Nexus 4 General] raptir:
Just as an aside, a single scratch on the camera lens cover is very unlikely to affect pictures taken with it. A scratch on the lens is only going to cause an issue with a photo taken with a small aperture, and since phone cameras typically do not allow that you won't (usually) run into a problem unless you have several scratches across your lens.
[Nexus 4 General] PoisonWolf:
Get a pouch. Preferably a neoprene pouch.
[Nexus 4 General] NardVa:
Like Jigga said "I don't wear skinny jeans cause my knots don't fit"
[Nexus 4 General] 666fff:
He doesn't wear skinny jeans cos he'd look stupid.
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
I like conspiracy theories. Makes me feel smart.

Forget it, its gg2, you don't open yourself up to false advertisement like that. The listing on corning is not even remotely complete and proves nothing. Corning would have came at Google wayyyyy before that if Google hadn't ordered from them and used Corning as a marketing tool. Big time.
[Nexus 4 General] catlog:
I know this is hugely off-topic, but I am very curious. What date did you get the phone?
[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
Gorilla glass, front and back, but the front is way thicker than the back. Almost double the thickness going by the speaker port, and earpiece port.
[Nexus 4 General] clockcycle:
I have a skinomi on front and xtremeguard on back.

GG2 is scratch resistant, not scratch proof. There are other threads about the back not being Gorilla Glass...

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Isn't GG a bit more resistant than GG2?
[Nexus 4 General] cheritcc:
I guess i just don't understand why so many ppl report scratches and shatters out of nowhere.

If you see those gg2 test video, you probably will suspect too. :D no offence
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
Suspecting the "quality of gg2" would sound a lot less dumb if those are your arguments. And even then... As soon as someone scratches/break their glass they come crying, there has been like what? 20-25 reports? Big deal. People seem to think 100 people being vocal means its a majority.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
It is but just like with my galaxy S2 skyrocket with FM radio in the official specs but its not on the phone it happens. But the gorilla glass I don't think so. Corning would be all over this. I love the conspiracy theories though keep em coming.:what:
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
afaik gg2 is just thinner