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[Windows 8 General] fern420:
Get the 700T, don't compromise.

I own a 500Turd...........it's a tablet that has the novelty of running windows 8.....barley......the memory and ram Samsung dug out of the closet and stuck in this thing is it's largest bottleneck, the atom is not the problem, it's the speed of the memory, i honestly can not for the life of me understand how they got a windows 8 certification, the memory falls well below windows 8 minimum requirements for speed......7-8mb/s, that's the highest speed this memory and hard drive will ever achieve, it makes program installs or anything that involved reading from memory a real PINTA, windows updates take hours........like a step backwards from the productivity standpoint, i feel like I've gone 10 years back in time, all i ever do is wait for this POS to load. All i can say is I'm glad i got the 3 year drop and spill warranty because this turd is going to find it's way into a snow bank pretty soon, It's all i have in me to keep from throwing it at the wall.

Just forget about gaming at all, I can not even get fruit ninja to play fluidly, it chokes and stalls and turns all slide showy at times, the intel graphics in this unit can not even deliver 1080P, hell, your going to have a heck of time even getting fluid 720P play from high quality sources. Just a poor choice all around when you consider the price point, much better products available form the competition but i was sucked in by the windows 8 tablet jive and it's cost me.........my nexus 7 is getting used far more than my 500t because i just don't have all day to wait around for the 500t to catch up with me.
[Windows 8 General] galtom:
I do appreciate all your insights, however my needs and expectations are a bit different and I honestly think I found best compromise.

First of all I still use 1st gen of iPad. For what I do on it and what system itself can do I did not feel the need to change for newer model. This mean I expect that new W8 (Atom based) tablet will be way more responsive and pleasure to use,

Secondly I need different stuff than efficiency. I want to keep comfort of iPad - no fans, no heat, no noise + (fairly) low weight and add to it Windows capabilities.

All I will do on this device is - use Wordpress, Google docs + Office for web posts and publications. iPad is completely useless when it comes to work with text, tabs, web site, etc...

Watch movies - Netfilx, Hulu, HBO Go + some 720p mkv of my NAS

E-mail/ web sites (reading)/ some very simple games not to often.

I only play on my BIG (old) PC - and it is only F2011 and Battlefield series.

What is important is battery life and comfort. For now my choice for February is Asus Vivo Tab TF810c - almos the same as described Samsung - more expensive but looks much nicer.

Videos should be fine with proper codecs and hardware acceleration.

In my opinion this will be the best compromise to get ipad comfort, PC abilities when I am away from home on the weekends or at home after days work and sitting at the desk.
[Windows 8 General] Ravynmagi:
After using the Samsung 500T a month, and I hate some complaints about it that I might have been able to live with. But I think the bigger issue was I gradually discovered I don't really like the 11.6 inch screen size as a tablet. It make the keyboard easier to use, but I found that I wanted to use it as a tablet most of the time and only as a touchscreen netbook occasionally.

As a tablet it was so huge and awkward. It's okay for short periods. But whenever I went back and picked up my iPad, I was just wowed at how much better it felt in my hand. I decided what I really need is a 10.1 inch tablet that is good as a tablet, instead of an 11.6 inch hybrid that is mediocre as a tablet and netbook.

So I'm waiting for the ASUS ME400 and I'll just pair it up with a bluetooth keyboard I already own (I'll pass on it's goofy keyboard accessory/cover).

This tablet has the same power as the larger 11.6 inch hybrids. And I won't have to pay a lot extra for a keyboard that will disappointment with it's driver issues (seems many of these have sleep issues with the keyboard). I'll miss not having that clamshell style form factor a little, but I just don't think this first generation of Windows 8 tablets are quite mature enough to spend that kind of money for.
[Windows 8 General] rand33099:
I owned the 500T myself, I totally agree with you about the uncomfortable feeling holding it. I bought the HP Envy X2 and like the he'll out of it. Sure its 11.6 display but holding it is so much more comfortable then the Samsung. The keyboard dock is also great. I bought it at Office Depot for 749.00 with keyboard. They have them on display next to the 500t so you can mess with it.
[Windows 8 General] goofball2k:
Thanks for the input. I didn't think I would like the larger form factor as a tablet either, having used an Asus EEE Slate in the past. Much prefer the 10" form factor.

The only thing I don't like about the Asus is lack of full size USB port. Would that mean we need a standard micro-usb adapter, or would we need an OTG adapter? MS Surface was able to get a full size USB port in, too bad Asus couldn't (or wouldn't)
[Windows 8 General] Ravynmagi:
An unboxing video shows the ME400 includes a micro USB to USB cable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqucNnJphDs

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I would have definitely purchased the Envy X2 if it was available (I couldn't find it anywhere a month ago).

Yeah, the Samsung has other things besides the 11.6 inch size working against it too as a tablet. It's 1.7 pounds, so one of the heaviest 11.6 inch Atom tablets. The Envy X2 is 1.4 pounds, which I believe is even lighter than the iPad 3 and 4.

The pen on the Samsung was occasionally nice. But I don't "ink" and only needed it sometimes for desktop situations, such as trying to highlight a paragraph of text. But the pen isn't a must have for me and it doesn't make up for how unhappy I was with the Samsung as a tablet. The HP I'm talk has a sucky digitizer and no included pen. But I suspect a cheap capacitive stylus would work fine with me.

The HP kinda tempts me, a bit more after I remember that it's quite a bit lighter than the Samsung. But I think I might still wait for the smaller ASUS and just focus on something that's more tablet than hybrid.
[Windows 8 General] galtom:
Rand33099 & Ravynmagi - have you seen Asus TF810c in your shops?

How would you compare to Samsung and HP?

I can get it on-line now (amazon uk & some Polish shops) but since all theis devices are expensive and Asus is the MOST expensive first I want to go to the shop - touch, feel, compare. I can not allow myself for situation where after a week or two I will reach the conclusion that I should have gone with a different model :(.
[Windows 8 General] rand33099:
Not to offend anyone but I completely gave up on Asus after the Prime and TF700. I know they are two different OS but everything I read about the TF810 looks like Asus hasn't changed in the QC department. The screen lift is still a problem and also driver issues. I never thought I would buy an HP product but this thing really is nice. I had a few freezes at the beginning but made recovery to USB and did reinstall wiped everything HP off and this thing has been great since. 2 weeks no freezes or any problems what so ever.
[Windows 8 General] galtom:
I am surprised to read about driver issues on Asus and not on other devices.

From what I understand they all run exactly the same hardware and software.

On this I base my believe that motherboard and ram is form the same source as well.

And Atom (build in SoC form) includes PowerVR SGX 545 must have the same drivers working in the same system. I would understand those problems if all devices beside W8 and CPU would work on different hardware from different manufacturers... but in this case...?
[Windows 8 General] Ravynmagi:
I've read up on the HP Envy X2, but haven't touched one yet.

From what I can see, what I like about the HP over the Samsung though is the HP has an aluminum build vs glossy plastic Samsung. And while I'm not snobbish about materials, I am disappointed that Samsung left the plastic so smooth and it gets slippery with just a little moisture from your hands. The aluminum HP will most likely feel much better. Also the HP is considerably lighter at 1.4 pounds vs 1.7 pounds of the Samsung. This may not sound like much, but this weight difference in similarly sized tablets is pretty big.

I'd missing having a built in pen with the HP a little, but not that much.

The HP seems to have a better docking connector and the hinge looks better in my opinion.

When it comes to Windows machines, I have a bit more confidence in HP and Samsung. Not sure whose choice it was, but the Samsung BIOS is almost non-existence of features and the boot from USB option is crippled. Not sure how bad the HP BIOS and USB boot options are in comparison though.

If I were buying a tablet hybrid now, after my experience with the Samsung, I'd definitely choose the HP over it. The only exception would be if someone really wants to take notes on a large tablet or draw or what not.

The ASUS just seems too dang expensive. $800 without the keyboard. And it sounds like their driver state is the worst of all the tablets.

Right now for me it'd be between the HP Envy X2 and the Lenovo Lynx. The Lynx looks pretty nice, the only thing that scares me is the "micro SD up to 32GB", that would suck of that spec isn't an error. I'm hoping that's just a mistake on Lenovo's website. Don't think the tablet is out yet, so haven't seen any first hand comments of it yet.

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From the ASUS forums, it seems like the problem is not the drivers (though there are some driver issues too), it's that ASUS isn't making drivers available. So ASUS users are having to get drivers from Samsung or other tablet websites. And I think Samsung recently took the direct driver downloads off their website and require users to use the Samsung SW Update tool to get drivers, which is nice for Samsung owners, but maybe sucks for the ASUS owners trying to snag drivers from Samsung's website.
[Windows 8 General] rand33099:
You mention the SD availability on the Lenovo. Whats nice about the X2 it has a full size SD in the keyboard and a micro SD in the tablet it self. So I have a 64G class 10 in the dock and a 32G in the tablet micro SD. After a clean install with the OS 44G on the SSD............ Plenty of room.
[Windows 8 General] Macmee:
Does anyone who has owned both a 500T and an Envy have any comments on which device has superior battery life? I've heard the 500T is supposed to have impecable battery life. How does the Envy compare?
[Windows 8 General] Ravynmagi:
I was disappointed the 500T didn't have a battery in the keyboard dock like most of the other hybrid tablets have. However it seemed to always get me through an entire day easily.

Not sure how the HP compares. But it does have a second battery in the keyboard. So I would think combined it should be better than the Samsung.
[Windows 8 General] rand33099:
I use the X2 at work pretty much all day and still have battery for home use, without using the Doc. I have never just run a test but tablet alone seems to be as good as my Asus transformer Infinity was.
[Windows 8 General] krassyg:
500T unlocking

I got the 4G version of the 500T and it is locked to ATT(US). I want to use it on T-Mobile. Do you guys know if it is possible to unlock these?
[Windows 8 General] dalepl:
No, I do not know if it can be unlocked so you can use it with T-Mobile. Sorry.

Paul
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
For SIM unlocks, you usually have to talk to either the OEM (Samsung) or the locking carrier (AT&T). AT&T tend to be kind of assholes about SIM unlocks - one of several reasons I refuse to do business with them - but they may be willing to unlock for a fee. Samsung might be able to provide an unlock code, but no guarantees.
[Windows 8 General] francanna:
Hi all, did anybody try and install a working version of android on Ativ 500t?

Inviato dal mio GT-N7100 con Tapatalk 2
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
been over this numerous times in other threads but android will not work on Intel clovertrail devices. Known limitation and intentional from Intel.
[Windows 8 General] theusername:
I ended up trading in my Samsung Ativ 500T for a Surface Pro. I had to return my Ativ, 3 times because it was getting screen burn on the upper left corner of the screen. The best example of it was when you went to facebook and sat there for a few min, the facebook logo would not leave the screen until you powered it off. But if anyone wants a leather portfolio case for the Ativ and a matte screen protector let me know. The case is really nice, its this one being sold on amazon. The screen protector is nice to because its one that can removed and reapplied when ever you want, plus it never will get bubbles in it.
[Windows 8 General] oo74:
Battery life in Sleep mode

I bought the ATIV 500t last week from Staples when they had the $100 off for Windows 8 computers/tablets.

As soon as I bought it, I updated all the windows 8 updates, and the Samsung driver updates.

I have owned Ipad 1, ipad 2, ipad 3, ipad mini, Nexus 7, and a couple of other android tablets before this one.

So far I am very happy with it. The ability to run full versions of Office, Money/Quicken/Lightroom/Photoshop and other windows programs is great. The digitizer and the pen is a nice feature as well. Screen is bright and colors are decent. Battery life is around 10 hours for me during use.

One issue that I have is battery life during sleep/standby mode. I have seen ipads lose 1-2% overnight, and the android tablets and my Note 2 about 5% overnight. However, with the ATIV I am losing 20-25% overnight which translates into about 3% per hour. This is the same during the day when I leave it in standy/sleep mode. I have been trying to debug the issue and fix it for the past couple of days. I disabled live tiles, syncing of e-mail accounts. I have gone into task scheduler and disabled any tasks being run at night. I have even tried to rollback drivers to older versions. I also tried putting the tablet in airplane mode. Still the same issue. 3% per hour battery drain in sleep mode. Maybe I am wrong but I thought these tablets were certified for a maximum battery drain of 5% in a 16h sleep mode. I ran powercfg /batteryreport from cmd.exe, and the battery life estimate based on drain shows 26% for 16h since I bought the device. And, for yesterday it shows 35% for the 16 hour period.

Not sure if mine is defective. I am now trying to reinstall Windows 8 and try it without updating any of the drivers to see if there is a difference.

Thank you. I know using hibernate mode to put windows 8 to sleep is an option. I can use that overnight. But losing 3% an hour during the day in sleep mode with no background activities seems pretty poor to me.

If you own this device, can you please chime in and indicate what you are seeing for connected standby battery life? You can run the powercfg /batteryreport from cmd.exe(run as administrator).

Thank you
[Windows 8 General] inmnbob:
I don't have that problem
[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
[MENTION=344020]oo74[/MENTION]

Clover Trail (SoC inside Ativ 500T) has had driver issues with its power management since the beginning. That's why its release in Win8 devices missed 2013's Xmas shopping season.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-clover-trail-tablets-delayed-until-2013-7000009078/

http://iskoperta.blogspot.com/2012/10/intel-allegedly-fighting-with-another.html

Sounds like you've tried everything I would've tried. The only thing left is to hope that Intel will update the driver for the Z2760 at some point. Realize however that Clover Trail tabs were never sold in high volume, and continued support is likely to be low priority relative to other pending needs, such as driver development for the upcoming Bay Trail.

Per the second link, I can't imagine Intel/MS relationship to be at a high point these days, as Intel will also put its energy into supporting Android for Bay Trail at the $200 price point, which directly undercuts Bay Trail for Win devices. Robust driver support may be a casualty.
[Windows 8 General] crabnebula:
Regarding power management issues with connected standby, I've been experiencing the same problems lately, but wasn't having these issues before. It seems to have coincided with the latest BIOS update from Samsung, but I can't say for sure whether the BIOS is the culprit because other driver updates were applied around the same time.

In an effort to resolve this situation, I've downloaded the driver packages for several other machines with the Z2760 Atom SOC and have extracted all the individual drivers that are newer than those in the Samsung package. This has improved things, but drain during connected standby is still too high and definitely higher than it used to be. You can download the newer drivers here: https://mega.co.nz/#!5NZgQCSK!T5WwtwE0xkUeZHlBUs-HXl0LDhVOleu7MFoweWOdomc. You must install each individually.

Hopefully a future update will resolve this.

EDIT: with all the above updates applied over all the Samsung updates, my current drain is about 2% per hour during standby.
[Windows 8 General] DynamicRam:
Do you have the ver. Number of your newer drivers ? I want to compare them with mine
[Windows 8 General] crabnebula:
It is easiest to just download them and compare the .inf files for each driver. That is how I compared everything I have with the Samsung provided drivers. If you have anyting newer please let us know. What we are mainly looking for is an updated DPTF driver.

Audio

Audio miniport 6.2.9200.28947

Realtek I2S audio codec device 6.2.9200.3061

DPTF

Intel(R) Dynamic Platform & Thermal Framework 6.2.9200.28847

Wifi

Broadcomm BCM43XX 5.93.97.89

Security

Intel(R) Atom(TM) Processor Z2760 Security Engine 1.0.0.147

There is also a newer camera driver but as there are many separate drivers within it (for each sensor + for Intel components), I won't list it here.
[Windows 8 General] oo74:
Thanks for your input. I had no idea about these standby / power management issues before I bought the device.

Since my last post, I reset the device. And, all I did was update the windows 8 critical update after reset. I did not use Samsung's SW Update program to update any of the drivers.

Unfortunately, the issue is still there. Now, during the day, there are times that it loses 1-2% an hour, and there are times where it loses 20% over 3 hours. I am not sure what is going on. At night, still losing about 20-25%.

When I first bought it, SW update program updated BIOS twice. The issue might be with the new BIOS. I don't think I can go back and revert back to old version of the BIOS.

As I mentioned before, I like the device, but standby time is pretty bad. Just a warning for potential buyers.

I started using hibernate mode instead of sleep mode. It takes 15-20 seconds to wake up, but it is much better than wasting battery during sleep.
[Windows 8 General] imanym:
Man, I agree with that. One of the reasons I wanted the HP Envy X2 was because of the aluminum body, 2 sd cards, extra battery in the dock and the track pad. However, this device was soooooo hard to find and ordering for it meant I had to wait till 05/10/2013, no can do.

I had the

Lenovo Lynx

which I returned because the track pad was really short of useless, it would jump all over the place making it difficult to manipulate objects in my IDE. The other issue was the keyboard missed types too often, and then finally the cheaply made plasticy keyboard dock was really cheap. So, I returned it. My next purchase was the

Acer Iconia W510

. I really liked this tab, but the trackpad was worse than the Lenovo. The mouse moved vertically and would not move horizontally at times. When I contacted Acer, they told me to send it in for repair and the device was only 2 days old. Reading the Acer Community forums, I found this was a very popular issue and it turned out that this was a manufacturer defect for all or most models manufactured in 2012. I decided to return it and got the Samsung. I really needed a device that works as a companion to my Power Laptop (HP Envy 15 i7,16gb Ram, 256 SSD, dual video cards), so all I needed was something more powerfull than a nook or ipad. I do agree though, that the device is an awkward size making it slightly uncomfortable to hold, but it really works for me.

Battery life was far better on the Lenovo and the Acer, but this is pretty good I get a full day I have actually counted about 9 hours from the Samsung, about 14 hours for both the Acer and the Lenovo.
[Windows 8 General] DynamicRam:
Mine

Wifi

Broadcom SDIO WLAN Driver(Win8) 5.93.97.76(WHQL)

Sound

Intel CloverTrail Sound Driver 32bits V6.2.9200.27899_Rtk53

DPTF

DriverVer=12/06/2012,6.2.9200.27166

Security

DriverVer=11/01/2012,1.0.0.134

Yours are newer
[Windows 8 General] crabnebula:
I'm still confident that it will get solved through another update. I've had my 500T for several months and standby time used to be very good, apart from a bug causing the machine to BSOD when in standby. That is now fully resolved, and in exchange we have this other problem.
[Windows 8 General] Baicche:
Mobile broadband problems

I currently own my second Ativ 500 with the unlocked mobile broadband option; super nice machine, but with plenty of problems with the 4g Huawei module.

In the first tablet the module just plainly refused to work, while in the second one it works intermittently. At regular intervals it disappears from the settings, and I must go into the following exorcism: a) disable the driver b) extract the SIM card c) enable the driver d) reinsert the SIM e) put the tablet in airplane mode for several minutes or f) reboot the machine and g) keep my finger crossed. Not precisely an on the fly operation...

This is a pity, as when the module is in good mood speedtest records around 10mb/s download and 2mb/s upload in 3g dual carrier. Incidentally, if somebody could direct me to recent drivers I will be grateful. Obviously I installed all Windows 8 and Samsung upgrades.
[Windows 8 General] DynamicRam:
People with sleep drain, this could be helpful

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/win...-battery-drain-issues-possible-solutions.html
[Windows 8 General] crabnebula:
Thanks for that.

After reading it all and running tests on the 500T, it appears likely that it is the Intel SST Audio Driver / Realtek I2S Audio Codec causing the battery drain during standby (by preventing full sleep).

It seems that the only workable solution at the moment is to mute your audio or turn down the volume to zero before entering standby.

I'm testing this as we speak and will report back.

EDIT: although this removes the error when running powercfg /energy to diagnose problems, it does not fix the battery drain, unfortunately. Problem is still elsewhere.
[Windows 8 General] cramamarshall:
Samsung Ativ 500t loving this PC/Tablet

I actually picked up one of these from Sam's Club a few days ago and I am really loving this device. I bought one of the Asus Vivo Tabs but wanted a full Windows 8 tablet experience so instead of going with the Vivo Tab Smart I opted to get the Samsung Ativ and so far I am glad that I did. I upgraded my windows to Pro version as well. It has actually been running very well so far.
[Windows 8 General] Starphish:
I just got one for my wife... I did all the updates, but for some reason the screen frequently goes black and then the lock screen appears while she is using this.

I can't figure out if this is a Win8 or ATIV feature she is accidentally triggering, but it is highly frustrating. I just disabled the lock screen hoping that will be a work around. If that doesn't work I may do a refresh or wipe.

Any thoughts on what it is she's doing that might cause the display to enter sleep (besides hitting the power button), or trigger the lock screen?
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Leaving it idle for a few minutes is the usual cause... other than that or actually hitting Power, nothing should cause it to sleep.