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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Lord_Kaizer:
Well guess i should start saving for my Galaxy Note 3 now huh,this sucks but if this will keep them in business,I'm kinda fine with it. http://www.businessinsider.com/t-mobile-to-end-phone-subsidies-2012-12

Updated Info: http://m.intomobile.com/2012/12/11/...ed&utm_campaign=Feed:+IntoMobile+(IntoMobile)

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] atomclock:
This is fine with me except, T-Mo will still expect their customers to sign a two year contract just like they do with the current Value plans.

That is the problem!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Lord_Kaizer:
Wow,that kinda sucks...

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] whatsitsnamenow:
What do you propose, that they turn their whole business to prepaid? They'll be bankrupted in less than a year.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] fix-this!:
Theres no way they can charge full retail for a device and expect you to sign a two year agreement as well. Im positive the phones will be discounted.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] mdt73:
Most the GSM world doesn't subsidize their phones, and they have much more competitive prepaid plans. The average American is so used to phone costing $99 or even free, they don't realize that the provider is making a killing on their contract.

And if this drives down the value of t-mobile enough for Google to buy them, I am all for it!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] NICEGYPT:
Maybe they wont charge for cancellation if the customer decide to cancel before the end of the contract. And if the customer decide to cancel his contract he is going to pay the rest of his phone before canceling.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] mdt73:
They already do that. You must sign a two year contract to get their plan pricing.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] fix-this!:
This is fine by me as i usualy switch phones every 4-6 months. Craigslist is where i usually shop.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] RuizGT:
Yeah, we've been doing it since August of last year, the value plan is nothing new, and it ends up being the same price monthly or even less depending on the phone you get. And you pay less up front for the phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] achusaysblessyou:
I don't know about you guys freaking out, but they're simply getting rid of the Classic Plans and moving everyone onto the Value Plans...

Since I always buy my phone off contract, this is better since I save more month to month
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] nmw407:
For me, this isn't great news depending on the details. If they're going to do away with grandfathered plans, then my phone bill would go up even with the value plan. If they allow grandfathered plans to stay, then it's not that big of a deal.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] psykhotic:
Value plan phones are less money up front than the subsidy ones and the plans are still cheaper month to month with the EIP. Not sure about "upgrades" before two years is up though.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
I think once you upgrade your phone through some sort of subsidy (i.e. EIP on value plan) they will make you change your plan. So as long as you bring you own phone (which means paying full price without any subsidy) you will be able to keep your grandfathered plan.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] truthkillszz:
with the new plans you would be saving $20-$30 a month on your bill and you can choose to buy the phone in full price right there or choose to buy the month in full price but through monthly installments which will still save you money over a 2 yr contract compared to todays model
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] nmw407:
Right now T-Mobile is not forcing you to change your plan when you upgrade your phone(s), but who knows what that may look like next year. I'm just glad we upgraded phones this year and I'll be all set for at least 2 years.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
I believe T-Mobile is going to turn into contract only service. And Metro PCS is going to be the prepaid service. This is what I believe is the plan with the merge of T-Mobile and Metro PCS.

I guess just different naming product services under what will be the same roof.

I also wonder if Metro PCS will keep the $10.00 per month international calling plan after this merge? My wife has that service because she calls Peru so much.

All this makes me wonder if this merge is worth it for us customers or not?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Some_dude36:
They made me change my plan when I got my now 140.00 note 2 after 100 rebate . It cost the same. I got now unlimited text / before 300 unlimited internet / before none at all 1000 mins / before 750 :D:good::highfive::victory:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] ebatr8:
Classic plans are the same if not more then value plan, America refuses to see the true value of devices they still expect a phone to be free or really low cost. I think what tmobile is doing is great but I can also see the main reason is so they can carry the iPhone without paying the hefty fee other carriers have been paying to subsidize it. Everybody complains about buying the note 2 on classic and how tmobiles subsidized prices are too high compared to other carriers yet they don't also charge you the price other carriers do for the service. Value as I see it is the best thing you can have if you love changing your phone buy and sell at the right times and you can get yourself a new phone very often spending much less then doing it on contract, granted you will always pay some sort of out of pocket but that's the cost we paying for the love of our tech. I think if you put the note on eip you owe 400 make ten payments which is just ten months you will owe 200 in ten months, I'm sure the note can still go for 300 or more so you sell pay it off and buy your new device. Value plans with eip tend to be a bit less then classic and a good amount less then other carriers so yes the contract portion is hard to swallow but in the end tmobile is financing you a phone without regards to your credit with no interest and giving you a lower monthly rate. Value is a good system for the smart buyer and I'd be ok with the contract the way I see it tmobile still took a risk financing you for the contract and hopefully they continue there trends with good phone sales people who bought the note on the recent sale after rebate got the note for 500 which is a steal on this device at full cost.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
After watching the video I understand what they are planning with the service plans packages. Classic Plan no more. Value Plan is it. You can buy the device full price from T-Mobile or somewhere else then go for the Value Plan. Or you can go for the Value Plan and make payments toward your device, which would add to the cost of what is now the Classic Plan. I feel that this is good long term for the customer's pocket and to educate the customer of the truth of subsidies plan packages from other carriers.

When it comes to the merger: I would not of went to T-Mobile without having the knowledge that they merging with Metro PCS. I had a good feeling that this merger is a good thing, just didn't know how it would play out.

I am also curious on how the branding, especially the company names, is going to play out. The way they are talking it looks like they may have changed plans on the name banding plans.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
I fully understand the benefit of the value plan but it doesn't seem as if the numbers are adding up correctly to my benefit. I am currently on a classic plan with four lines. Just using the plan numbers (no taxes or insurance) I am paying $185 a month. This gets me two lines with 5gb and hotspot and two lines with 200mb and no overages (my children's lines and they get by with it) unlimited texting and 1000 shared minutes. A similar value plan would cost me $140 a month (only advantage is that the phones with 200mb would be increased to 2gb). So after I add the $20 EIP for each phone ($80 a month for 20 months) my bill is $220 a month. So classic plan is $185*24=$4440 whereas the value plan is $220*20=4400. With the upfront cost of the phones on both plans basically being even (as I factor in the four months remaining in the value plan, I might even come out ahead on the classic plan). So what is it that I am missing or miscalculating?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
It is very hard to compare plans with limited data and mix plans. But I compare with Value +20 months with paying for device that = to 20 months of Classic & 4 months $20 a month less than classic -vs- to classic 24 months and I come up with $80 savings with Value Plan. With both plans at the end to pay for the same price for the device. I am comparing Unlimited Nationwide 4G Plan.

What I believe the point that T-Mobile is making is that other carriers say that the costs of plans cover the cost of your device, but they are really adding on costs to make more profit. Which is what Internet backbone companies have been saying about all Internet type service providers. Providers tend to add on lots more costs than it cost them and blame on costs of device and/or Internet services in order to hide more profit. T-Mobile wants to be more upfront with their customers and win people over by having you to pay for your device upfront and give you straight costs of services. Simple and no hiding costs. For me I know that in the end I pay for the device one way or another. So for me this is not a bad way of doing business.

Little more savings with Value Plan than Classic Plan. But this is a more of an upfront business concept than real large savings of what they are already doing now. Which is what they said: That they are changing the way the industry does business.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
Thanks, what I think what I did wrong was fall into the trap of continuing to think that the phones are actually free. Comparing what I would pay over the full 24 months under both plans it would be like getting 4 phones at an average of $130 (provided I catch a sale where the phone is "free" at the outset or downpayment - meaning rebates) or $230 for a Galaxy SIII ($99 downpayment) or $330 for GNote II ($199 downpayment) under the current offering. Plus if I keep the phone over two years (actually not me but them - at least until they start buying the phone themselves) the savings of value plan over the classic plan increase ($45 a month). Please correct me if I'm wrong (I know I'm acting as if you are my accountant:laugh:)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] ebatr8:
Classic is 99 unl talk and text + 10 per add a line so we are at 120, 10 200 mb brings it to 140, 5gb tethering is 35 each which brings our total to 210 so I fail to see 185. Only if you have a corporate discount which also applies on value. Further more later tmobile might make you upgrade 2gb data for your kids as that's the new minimum maybe they will maybe they won't but if they did you would be at 230. Value unl talk and text 79.99, plus 5 add a lines, plus 5 200mb and 25 5gb tether 150 total. With the max eip payment being 20 per line that would put you right back at 230. These are the general prices so for everybody looking into tmobile value will be less or the same, btw your kids don't share 1k min they have 500 each, don't think they share them you may end up with overages.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
Let make this simple by comparing apples to apples. Okay the new idea would be that you would not have available the Classic plan in that future time point. So I am going to compare Classic now with Value in later 2013 with today's Galaxy Note 2 web sale today.

I believe the CEO said that they eat around $250 for each device with subsidies that customers end up backing back within Classic plan. That is around the $280 "Instant discount" that is provided with Galaxy Note 2 being subsidized. So that is what T-Mobile eats on each subsidized Galaxy Note 2.

So let us use the sale that they have now on their website for Galaxy Note 2 subsidized (Classic Plan) $199.99 after rebates, Instant discount, & web discount. Now add $280 subsidized Instant discount back in and get $479.99 for the device under the new Value Plan idea starting next year with this same sale.

Classic Unlimited Nationwide 4G Plan $89.99 X 24 months = $2159.76 + $199.99 = $2359.75

Value Unlimited Nationwide 4G Plan 2013 on $69.99 X 24 months = $1679.76 + $479.99 = $2159.75

The only difference on the Galaxy Note 2 price itself is the $280.00 subsidized "Instant discount" that T-Mobile has to eat. The rest of the $200.00 difference is in the plans themselves.

The Galaxy Note 2 Web Sale at the time point of Dec, 07, 2012.

Suggested retail $699.99

Instant discount- $280.00

Mail-in rebate card- $100.00

Web-only discount- $120.00

Your price $199.99

Instant discount - subsidized: carrier eats and you pay back to carrier within the plan.

Mail-in rebate card - Manufacturer pays this back to carrier for this

Web-only discount - Web Sale department promo sales discount. They make this back.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] erapmicks:
yeahh sucks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] ebatr8:
I doubt tmobile will change there value plan style, it will likely be the way it is now for the most part. Also the web discount your referring to is as a new customer tmobile offers that grab new customers but that discount is not always available to existing customers for existing customers the note 2 is 369.99 after a 50 dollar rebate. Most people search for subsidized discounts outside of tmobile because of this reason their prices for classic aren't very low third party retailers usually offer lower.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
I was using as fair apple to apple comparison. After adding them back in to both plans still costs you $200 more for Classic plan in the end.

I know they will keep the value plan as it is now. The CEO said that the Value plan is already in action now. That is the reason why I did this comparison showing Value plan in 2013 on.

Classic subsidized discount $699.99 - $280.00 = $419.99

Classic Unlimited Nationwide 4G Plan $89.99 X 24 months = $2159.76 + $419.99 = $2579.75

Value Unlimited Nationwide 4G Plan 2013 on $69.99 X 24 months = $1679.76 + $699.99 = $2379.75
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
My plan is $130 (I don't have unlimited talk so that portion is $79) for the first two lines (talk which is 1,000 shared minutes, text and 2gb). All of the minutes are shared between the four lines (but even if you are right it doesn't matter as none of us ever come anywhere close to it). Then the hotspot for the two lines is an extra $25 - $15 for mine and only $10 for my wife as she got it under a promotion (which is added to the $20 that we are already paying for the 2gb - it's not an extra $35 per line). Then when you add the $20 per line (data and add a line for the two extra lines) it takes me to a total of $185. And actually under the value plan the 2gb is the same price as the 200mb under my current classic plan. All of this is prior to any discounts.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] westchester1940:
their value plan is better anyways!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
When I spoke with them over the phone they offered to migrate my plan to the value plan at the new customer rates (the SIII was "free" at the time but the Note II was $369). Now I can do the Note II for $200 and the S III $100 but I am still not ready to pull the trigger. I figure that very soon they will come out with a better deal (looking to get two Note II and two SIII). If I committed now they offered to pay one month of my bill as well. Do you think i am getting greedy?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
It is very hard to compare plans with limited data and mix plans. Your custom plan may or may not be provided with that price right now. But if your custom plan is still provided with that price then the apple to apple comparison will still come out the same as I did. What you can't do is compare with the subsidy sale price device with full price device. This is comparing apples to oranges. Either compare subsidy sale price to sale price or subsidy price to full price. Then you get the true story.

The best way to see the difference is to role play like a current user getting new devices with a new contract. There you can see subsidy device Classic Plan more expensive at the end than full price device Value Plan. Sale on each or no sale on each. Still the same results. But remember to compare apples to apples.

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You are comparing apples to oranges.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
I hear you loud and clear. I do understand what you mean when you say that I am comparing apples to oranges. I guess I am doing that because actually I am not eligible to upgrade my phone as of yet under the classic plan (however I can migrate the plan to value plan without any fees). I am just trying to figure out if it is beneficial to do so now as compared to what I currently have (and wait for that killer sale). I know eventually I will have to do so if I want to get the latest and greatest (there's no way I am buying four phones outright). I agree that the value plan is saving over the classic plan and I thank you for your time in thoroughly explaining it :good:

Edit: just re-read your last post and I am curious as to why you said that I am comparing apples to oranges when I said that I can get the Note II for $200 and the S III for $100. Those prices are for the value plan. It is an in store promotion until the 22nd that I can get dealing with the customer rep. over the phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
Deals from a rep are different from comparing the difference between the subsidy Classic Plan to the Value Plan of 2013 that will impact all of us sooner or later. Which is what this "T-Mobile Will End Phone Subsidies Next Year" thread is about.

But yes, reps can give you some real deals. Which is why we should go to a T-Mobile store or call T-Mobile for better deals. But again these deals are "oranges" and not the "apples" of comparing subsidy Classic Plan -vs- full Value Plan of 2013.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] decalex:
Something I haven't seen mentioned: true, with the value plan, you're paying the full price of the device. You're also getting a discount on your plan (that was said). But you're also essentially getting a 0% interest loan for btwn $400-$2000 for 20 months, depending on how many lines you have, which is way better than, say, putting it on a credit card.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
Okay thanks again:good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] ssCISengineer:
Very good point made and important one to consider for anyone buying or planning to purchase
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] egorre:
I'm on value plan right now. I bought my galaxy note 2 full price on launch and my contract wasn't extended. so I guess contracts are also gonna dissolve with the value plans as long as your device is paid in full.

Those on classic plans generally pays $20-30 a month. so even with full price you'll still save on value on a 2 year term.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Joe333x:
I dont really care what they do but I will cancel if they dont grandfather my plan. If I switch to a value plan my monthly payment will go up plus I would never think about paying $700+ for a phone, thats crazy. I paid under $300 for my note 2 and thats what its worth to me.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] JaguarXT:
So where would you go that gives lower monthly price? Not Sprint, AT&T, or Verizon. They all have much higher monthly plans than T-Mobile. So going to these other providers you will pay for your next device through your 24 months of higher cost monthly service within the contract with these other providers.

Prepaid services is only place you might find lower monthly cost. But you will still pay higher cost for your device with prepaid services than with the contract service providers, that also have much higher monthly plans.

At the end you pay for the device one way or another. That is the point T-Mobile is making.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] winlinmac001:
For some reason, I still find T-Mobile's offerings better than the competition.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] predation:
So I have an upgrade available, should I re-up now then if the subsidies are going away next year? We don't know exactly when right? I'm officially out if contract on Jan 3rd and would leverage as much as I can to get the best deal.

Current "classic" legacy plan:

1000 anytime, unlmtd night, weekend $39.99

Buddy time(unlmtd m2m and text) $10.00

Myfaves $0.00

Android preferred (5gb 4g) $20.00

Hotspot $14.99

Total: $84.98 (before tax)

Disc:12% (-$10.20)

New total before tax : $74.78( before tax)

Same as value plan sans unlmitd minutes (which I dont need) plus I get subsidized phone every two years.

If I moved to value no discounts on Phone any More.

Should I re-up now? Or wait?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] predation:
oi! today is last day for $199 note 2!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] decalex:
This is all the "$199 iphone"'s fault, btw. ;)

Phones costs have been in the $600 range for a while now. BlackBerry, palm, etc.

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I haven't added all that up.. Cuz I'm tired ;) but, 5GB should come with free hot spot.. But I think it's $35 (classic) anyway. Value, you're gonna save on the initial out of pocket and over the contract term, however you slice it.

Personally, I'd take advantage of one of the holiday (6 week..) rebate deals. That's where you're gonna save the most.. I'm guessing the note will be included. Something's going down on the 20th. Donno exactly what it is...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] GMAN1722:
I hope you're right about the 20th and hope it's something big (BOGO maybe). I am in the market for two notes and two S3. I am eligible to migrate my family plan to the value plan and if I am able to get at least two phones with no down payment I will be all over it. what makes you think that something is going to happen on the20th
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] predation:
I'd like to know as well. What's up on the 20th?
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brabusamg55:
does anyone know if unlocked Telstra Razr M will work with T-mobile re-framed 1900MHz 3G? according to the spec it show UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 on that phone. which i think it should. but just want to see if anyone have actually tried that out before? thanks.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santo95:
Hi,

look at this features from Archos on his gamepad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgsJ7gUK1cA

do you think we can extract apk to use on other manufactured hardware?

I would love use this with my TF201 and my Xbox controller!

sorry for my bad English

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Santo

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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shimp208:
Yes, you could extract the APK to use it on other devices and with other hardware (Such as an Xbox controller). However, the code would have to be heavily modified and adapted (Mainly software and hardware drivers) to work with not only the differences between Archos gamepad and say the Asus Transformer Prime but to be compatible with the hardware and software differences of the Xbox controller.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santo95:
Ok i dont have a gamepad i still waiting a genius who succed this port on my TF201 thanks a lot for your answer!

Have nice week end