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[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
There's probably an easy way to do this with Tasker.. Set it up so that upon NFC scan, all of your car-mode stuff turns on or triggers.. then have a listener, which will basically check to see if that NFC tag is still there.. if it is.. then nothing happens.. it remains chillin in your CarPad, with all settings as you need.. If it scans and finds that the NFC tag is no longer there, then it can perform the exit tasks of your car-mode.

you could set a timer on the "re-check" thing to like 1 minute, or 5 minutes or whatever probably.. Not sure if you could get rid of the NFC scan sound happening every time it checks though.. haven't used tasker enough to really get the idea of it..

Here's a link to a discussion on it.. seems like it may be a legit solution.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tasker/Mk2F2QalA7A

You could also do something like use the Power state? or Charging state? as a second context to the tasker actions..

like:

If any power source is detected (i.e. charging) check for NFC..

if NFC is detected, launch all actions you want to have happen..

after NFC has been detected and all of those actions have happened... you could setup a second context even...if power is removed (i.e. you turn the car off, remove the phone from the CarPad, or unplug the charger from the cig port,) then revert all of those actions back to what you normally like..

Since this would all be based on whether or not the NFC tag is present, you wouldn't have issues if you plugged into a wall charger, or home Qi Mat, or USB.. only when you have that NFC there..

Could use this app/plugin for Tasker : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=se.badaccess.locale.nfc

or this one which is kinda cool, as you don't even need to write to the tag, just record whatever it is and it keeps the database of what it was, linked to what you want it to do.. could even be non-writables, or hotel keycards..etc..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.widgapp.NFC_ReTAG_FREE

I'll mess around with all of this once I get my tags.

another option is that my set of NFC tags came with a keyfob NFC tag.. could just keep that with the keys, and when you get out of the car, tap your keys to your phone?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Utini:
oh you gave me a great idea:

If charging -> check if NFC activated -> if yes turn on car mode and set the "exit charging" state to trigger the "exit car mode" state :)

If charging -> check if NFC activated -> if no, do nothing.

Thanks ! ;P

Now all I need is the Car mounting + NFC tags lol
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Vimes14:
Perhaps an alternative might be charging and not connected to home WiFi. That might be the path I try once I actually get my Nexus 4 and CarPad.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] naynada:
I received my owlpad today - just confirming the above.

Charge stops at 88%. Also N4 rev10.

Bit of a shame :(
[Nexus 4 Accessories] idigg:
How are you guys finding the version of your phone? My CPU says ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v71). Not sure what to make of that.

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Nevermind, found it in the bootloader, I'm rev_10
[Nexus 4 Accessories] feanor3:
HTC Droid DNA

Will this work with the HTC Droid DNA?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] qbase775:
Does it resume charging if the battery level drops below that? I have several scheduled jobs running at night like TitaniumBackup, FolderSync, Spotify etc. Want to make sure I have a "full" battery when I go to work in the morning...
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
This was answered earlier, but I think it got buried with other responses.

This is word from Moon.

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Actually, I did not focus on OwlPad as much as CarPad.

As far as I know, most of case 95% cease to stop charging but sometime up to 100%. it is totally depending on phone itself.

For iPhone 4/S or Galaxy S2 made by Owl, it is being charged 100% as you can test by yourself by iPhone 4S.

If the phone keep in OwlPad after fully charged or 95% stopped, no restarting to charge. Battery would drain slowly but we did not give function to wake up again.*

If so, it will be worn out very fast of battery life I think.

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[Nexus 4 Accessories] dsbs4:
Does anybody know the dimensions h/l/w of the charger? I want to see if it'll fit in my center console.

Thanks!
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
Which part? The desktop one or the carpad?

Ive yet to get a desktop one, but if you are asking about the carpad, here's the measurements for just the rectangular pad portion.

Width: 2 3/8"

Height: 4 1/8"

Depth: 1/2"
[Nexus 4 Accessories] cbutters:
I'm in for one of the combos... I've been looking for both a wireless charger and also a good car mount, this should fit the bill for all my needs nicely, although I'll still probably get the nexus orb when it comes out.

Also thanks for the video, I've got a mazda3 too... (mazdaspeed3) so I know that it will fit just fine thanks to you.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
Somewhat off-topic, but, what year?

Do you have issues seeing metadata on the dash screens when streaming via Bluetooth?

I've never seen metadata show up there using both iPhone and also multiple android devices. I've been told my car's firmware is to blame.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] simics:
the BT stack on the N4 4.2.1 does not support AVRCP 1.3, hence no track info.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
Officially the gimmickiest product ever.

Well done.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] nyijedi:
Not sure what's gimmicky about it. I think being able to dock your phone in the car without having to also plug in the wire for charging is a nice feature.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] bingunginter:
If I understand correctly, if I put my phone in the carpad when its full battery (100%). It won't keep it charged ?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
OK so firstly, based on your comment you save yourself maybe 1 second of time. I have a cradle, with a cable that connects straight into the phone, it takes me a second to connect it, and a second more to plug it in the socket. You are saving yourself no time in the grand scheme of things. You'll probably waste more time as you worry about whether it's charging fully. Also, quite a lot of cars have their cigarette lighter socket permanently live, so for them, this is totally pointless as you'd just drain the battery.

The main reason it's gimmicky is because there is absolutely no point to it. In your house, I think wireless charging is a great idea. You run through the door, you drop your phone on the charger and if you're in a rush, there's no holdup as you struggle to find the charger. Did you leave it in the bedroom or the kitchen or the backroom or what? However most people have a cable permanently ready in the car, which never leaves, so all you are doing is paying 50 dollars or whatever for a second of time extra. It's a really unnecessary purchase in my opinion, but hey, I aren't the one paying so it's not my problem :)
[Nexus 4 Accessories] facetubespam:
Dear skezza,

If you do not like this product, you are free to leave this thread.

For the rest of us who welcome it, we enjoy the fact that you do not have to plug your phone into the vehicle every single time and then unplug it when getting out. There are people in the world, dare I say it, that actually value their time and a few seconds is precious enough to warrant and take advantage of an amazing product such as this. Even more so, that the manufacturer was willing to work with us to perfect it for our specific phone.

Sincerely,

ohyoudon'treallycarenowsinceyouareprobablytryingtowriteupaloftyremark
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Solutions Etcetera:
If this is anything like the LG/Verizon charger, the amount of current it draws when idle is insignificant. Much less than other circuits in a modern car that are still powered when it is off.

My problem with this particular device is that I have read nothing here that says it works all that well. The minimal convenience ofered comes with too many issues like not keeping the phone topped off once it has reached ~90%, and not being able to use you phone if you need a charge at a decent rate.

I have a USB cable in my console that is plugged into a dedicated 2A 5V supply. It does a good job charging the phone no matter what the usage is (typically nav, screen on, podcasts over BT, and calls), so this seems a bit of a step backwards.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] bedoig:
As to draining your car battery...

1) Powering an LED isn't going to drain your car's battery.

2) Fully charging the phone isn't going to drain your car's battery (unless it's basically dead anyway, but then you've got bigger problems). Vehicle batteries are usually in the 30-50 Ah range.

3) There is an on/off switch.

A lot of people obviously think it's a great idea. Is it a necessity? No. Is it nice to have? Absolutely. Is it worth $50? Undecided.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] cbutters:
I have a 2011 Mazdaspeed3, I have only been able to see track data using a Samsung Galaxy S3 running CM10 using the stock music app. Google Music never worked when using it as a player.

I've had iphone4, iphone4s and iphone5 at times paired to the car and never received track information.....

I hope the devs figure out how to send the AVRCP track information with the nexus at some point.... because besides this missing feature, it is the perfect phone for me.

On a side note, I ordered the owl charger for 95 and the website stated that the owlpad would be sent first before the car mount charger when i ordered. I now see the website has been updated to say they wont send them separately, and I received this email:

We'd like to send you OwlPad + CarPad/G together.

We promised to send OwlPad firstly before CarPad is ready.

But it would cost too much if we send separately and

as we assume that we are able to ready CarPad soon,

we would like to send you full sets together at Feb 3rd week.

Is it Okay for you?

I'm tempted to ask them to send the moon pad right now, since that is what they were advertising, but I don't mind waiting that much since the 3rd week of february isn't too far off (what does the 3rd week of february mean anyways? the 10-16? or the 21-27?) Any thoughts?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] neotekz:
You never tried to connect a micro usb to your in a car before have you? it's not as easy as you think esp. if you are behind the wheel...Even if it only saves 1 second that is worth it for some, it takes less time than that to get into an accident if you have to take your eyes off the road to connect a micro usb. For me the extra 20 dollars or so more that i spend on this cradle versus a regular car mount is well worth it.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] lowandbehold:
You sir, obviously did not own a Galaxy Nexus. Go into the Galaxy Nexus forums and do a search for "bad USB port" and prepare to be amazed by the plethora of results. Maybe then you will see the benefit of wireless charging.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Antebios:
Well, I ordered one. Let's see how fast they get here! I'll send in my review when I get it. Also, I just returned my ProClip USA phone mount so I could have Owl CarPad instead. It better be worth it. I also already have my car mount and already ordered the ball mount from Amazon to attach to the ProClip car mount. I'm ready... now all I need are for my orders to arrive!
[Nexus 4 Accessories] BrianDigital:
also throw this is, when you turn on your car it also charges the battery.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
Lol? I found this funny :D

That depends how well it's manufactured. I am not suggesting this isn't well manufactured, but I've seen some car chargers that draw a hefty amount of current when simply idling.

1. Powering the LED isn't what will drain the battery.

2. I never said it did.

3. Will solve the problem.

My point was that if this device is constantly drawing a large amount of current, this may easily eat away at a normal car battery of maybe 5 or 6 years.

Tbh Neo, you shouldn't be connecting it from behind the wheel anyway, thinking ahead doesn't harm you know? Now, I don't want to stand on a high horse because we've all done it, including me, but you can't say that a genuine reason for getting this is because it's a pain to connect your phone while you're doing 70Mph down the M1. Most people could wait until a stop at a traffic lights or queue, if not, then this device is perfect no doubt.

Nope. I've been running an S1 for the past 2 years or so, a beautiful work horse with a USB port still working like the day it left the factory.

That wasn't my point. Yes, when you turn on your car, it will charge the battery, however an older car with a slightly depleted battery may lose enough charge that it is unable to turn over the starter motor enough to get going.

Look, I've said my bit, I'm done. I hope this product turns out to be excellent, and in 6 months I'm eating my words as I use one ;)
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Solutions Etcetera:
Hefty amount? Where would that current be going if it is not plugged into anything? No load=no current, unless the thing is acting like a hand warmer. (c;

Speaking of heat, I just came back up from the garage as I was looking to jury-rig my LG WCP700 into my truck temporarily so that I could test how much charging current it could deliver with the phone under reasonable use, and something occurred to me...

What happens with this thing when your vehicle is parked in the Summer time and everything inside it is warmed up to 120+°F? Do you really want this to start charging your phone when the back plate is 49°C? Will it even charge under those temperatures? And how much will temperatures increase if it does?

So it seems we have another issue to think about come Summer. Guessing the prudent user will not initiate this charging until the AC has been on long enough to cool the unit down, and that could take some time unless it is located in front of an air vent. I like the idea of no wires as I am pretty happy with the WCP700 indoors, but I am still not sold on the idea of one of these for the car just yet.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] andy o:
Exactly. Energy has to go somewhere. This guy is high on claims and low on evidence. Instead of trying to explain how the chargers wouldn't drain the car battery, I'd like some hard numbers on how many cars actually have sockets that behave like that. All I've seen either only work when the ignition is turned or have more than one and at least one does.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] rxnelson:
If it is like gnex pogo car dock it will just hold the charge--no increase nor decrease. At least that was my experience with that device in the summer.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Solutions Etcetera:
Andy,

I have a Ford Sport Trac, which has three power sockets (dash, console, and bed) that are all live without the ignition on. I am relatively certain that there are lots of vehicles out there that are similar in this regard.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] andy o:
I don't have a lot of experience with American cars. Do you know if Japanese cars also behave like this? I'm fairly sure at least older cars don't.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Solutions Etcetera:
Dunno. I remember having an Alfa Romeo long ago that behaved this way, but I have only owned one Japanese car in my lifetime and don't recall what its story was.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] neotekz:
I've had a Accord, maxima, Plymouth and impreza and none of them had live sockets without the key. I think this is the norm.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
I own one. It's a Volkswagen Lupo (European VW only, never available in USA), from the factory, it had a permanently live cigarette lighter socket. It was not an added extra or a feature. Some of the newer models don't have it, but mine is quite an old model. The battery eventually started to wear out, and I left a charger in overnight once and yes, it just took a teeny bit too much juice and I had to jump start my car. Yes, energy does go somewhere and your mate answered it for you. It turns into heat and depending on how good the device is at regulating the maximum current draw, it may get warmer or stay a normal temperature due to being idle. This particular car adapter wasn't such a good one at doing that and appeared to draw enough to cause my issues.

Yes, that is the norm, but the norm isn't always the case for everyone.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
Just a fair warning now that we are on this topic.

I've said it a bunch in the thread but I think it needs reiterating now.

The adapter that comes with the CarPad is specially designed for the unit. As such, it is a modified one that supplies 12V CONSTANT @1A to the CarPad.

Most cig port adapters give a variable of 5V-12V and stay normally below 12V.

And as an aside that is also relevant. My battery in my car was just about dead(it was time to replace it) and when I did my review video, I used the AUX ignition setting instead of fully starting my car. Immediately after recording the video, I went to start my car, and sure enough, it was drained. Had to jump it..

So just another fair warning. I was dumb and left my auxilliary power on and didn't start it for about 10-15 minutes. But if you have a well used battery that may be close to time for a change, don't leave anything in the car that could drain the battery.

I don't blame the carpad for this, as the repair shop tested the battery and it definitely was on its last leg.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] kpjimmy:
I have a Mazda 6 and a Mazda Tribute. Only the Tribute (2001) has a constant live socket. The 6 does not. I am guessing that more of the SUV type vehicles are most likely to have a live socket (12V). But they should be marked as such by the car co.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
My Mazda 3 has a passive cig port in the lower dash area, but in the armrest there's an active one.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] facetubespam:
How can you tell whether the cig port is active or passive?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
In this sense I mean passive=not powered unless ignition is activated. Active=power is supplied even with no key in the ignition.

Just plug something into the socket with the car off and the key in your pocket. If it powers it/charges it, then its active in this sense. If not, then passive...
[Nexus 4 Accessories] mpdt:
I just bought one, so when it gets in I'll test it in my brand new Kia.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
Basically just do what delrazor said. Take a car charger and just plug it in.

The only other one I've seen that was slightly different was one car that had the cigarette socket wired into the convenience module, so when the central locking was unlocked, it was live and it was dead when the locks were locked.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] facetubespam:
Optima?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] dlthomas23:
FYI - The desktop version is a joke - I only get to 81% charge and it stops - basically useless if you ask my opinion.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] simics:
i'm getting the impression that the chargers they are selling is only optimised to work well with their own IP4 or SGS sleeves/covers.

Anything else is a bonus by virtue of it being Qi "compatible".

They are not able to extensively test it becoz Moon claims that new mobile phones like N4, HTC butterfly/dna, Nokia 920 is not available in Korea as yet.

I really feel they should not advertise it as charger for Nexus when there are flaws like unable to charge to 100%, slow charging when TPU case is on (phone is offset by 3mm and thus out of optimal position).

Looking at the info given by OP, I wont even email Moon about the 100% charging issue for the desktop charger. Since its a "known" issue.

Still waiting for /G replacement. Hopefully that will be MUCH better than the current slow charger I have.

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Mine is not so bad. :p

its right next to me now. Just stopped at 89%. :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 Accessories] mrbkkt1:
I feel bad for you guys. The wcp700 works flawlessly, anything less is unacceptable.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
Charging to 81% might be a blessing in disguise (unless you are going to be without a charger all day lol)
[Nexus 4 Accessories] impruv:
Everyone seems to be having troubles with the owlpad, but the carpad seems fine correct?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] delrazor:
I haven't tested the OwlPad out myself, so I can't vouch for its issues.

The CarPad/G for Nexus 4 has definitely been optimized for the phone and should by all means be labeled and sold as such. Unless the past 2-3 months worth of testing I've done has just been a figment of my imagination, it has definitely gone into the process of refining the CarPad to work properly with the Nexus 4.

The issue with slow charging when TPU case is on is not something that I've run into at all with the version of the CarPad that I have. What case are you talking about?

The charger being unable to go to 100% - Im not quite sure why this happens. Moon alluded to the idea that if varies from phone to phone.

The decision to have the charger turn off, to not re-activate, is because they were looking to preserve battery longevity by not constantly keeping the phone on a trickle / on off charge throughout the night on the OwlPad. On the CarPad, they just used the same setup, i assume.

I hope your replaced /G version is better for your needs.

As far as I can tell you, the CarPad is a great-working and functional product. the only issue, that can be considered one, is that once it's topped off (about 90-95%) the charger will turn off and it will not come back on unless you re-seat the phone in the cradle and the phone is under 90% again.. otherwise it'll just stay green. This was a design decision by the manufacturer to not have the battery constantly cycle on and off charging.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Antebios:
OK. It's the end of the week. Are they shipping out yet?!
[Nexus 4 Accessories] naynada:
I actually did email Moon, to both the owlcharger.com and hanmail.net addresses, earlier this week, and yesterday.

No reply - he's either extremely busy or simply ignoring me.

Whether it's a "known" issue or not, they certainly don't make it clear on the product page (http://owlpad.net/owlpad-for-nexus-4-n-qi/) that it has a substandard ability to charge. If anything, the graph suggests that it should reach 95% or so.

I really hope the CarPad lives up to our expectations.

EDIT: also, over the last few days it has stopped charging at random points 56%, 70%, and just now, 42% - probably due to phone temperature rising above 40C.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] BrianDigital:
slightly depleted or about hitting is five year mark, bottom line if you're phone charger is causing your car not to start time to get a new battery for the car
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
or a phone charger that doesn't? Not all of them do you know?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] mpdt:
Forte - 2013.

I've got 2 DC adapter plug ins below my center console so I'm hoping the cord can be easily hidden.

Also does anyone know when this will ship?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] neotekz:
just ignore him, he's trolling pretty hard. I dont know who he thinks he is telling people their reasons to get this charger are not good enough for him...
[Nexus 4 Accessories] skezza:
Huh? What the hell are you talking about?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] moosc:
5gnexus replaced because bad USB port. This might b pricey but so worth it. One reason I'm buying n4 because wireless charging

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Accessories] creekflood:
This charger looks great. I hope you guys post updates when you get your shipping info.

For the guys interested in NFC, another option is the new beta of Tasker which includes a profile when on wireless charging. This would basically eliminate the need for an NFC tag altogether. For instance, Tasker can be setup to immediately turn on bluetooth when connected to wireless charging then the BT would connect automatically to the paired head unit.

I currently have a profile that runs my media player app when my phone connects to my head unit then simulates the media Play button. It sets my phone media volume to the max (I control the volume with my head unit), turns on auto brightness and then disables my lockscreen. On disconnect, it places all changed settings back to where they were before. The options are limitless.