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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] flastnoles11:
If your someone who turns their screen on and off multiple times an hour (like me) it would be better to just leave it off than have an app toggle it on everytime you turn your screen on, which is why just doing it yourself rather than having an app do it for you is more ideal for those types... he wasn't saying you get more battery savings by leaving it on, he's saying you're using more resources by having an app do something for you that can be easily done yourself... if you're like me, you don't need data everytime you turn the screen on, so having an app turn it on everytime you unlock your phone is pretty pointless and drains your battery more than just toggling it yourself when you actually need as opposed to having it scan and connect everytime you unlock your phone... hope that made sense, and cleared up what I'm pretty sure he meant... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
Think of it like a car using gas. Starting your car and turning it off and starting it again repeatedly over a short period of time uses more gas than just leaving it running.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bso44:
It makes sense. But yea, I use Juice Defender because I need my background data to sync periodically for email, mms, Whatsapp, etc. Keeping data or wifi off completely when the screen is off is not an option for me.

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But we're talking about our phones, not cars. Now if you told me that toggling data on and off saps more battery than just leaving it off until you need it, I totally believe that. I just find it hard to believe it would sap more battery than leaving data on all the time.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
I always have some sort of data on. WiFi at home cellular when out and about. So I think you were misunderstanding what I meant by toggling them on and off.

Disregard
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
It's the principal man. You don't think scanning and reconnecting to a WiFi signal constantly uses more juice than staying connected then I'm not sure what to tell you. You've gotten explanations and examples. Also as flastnoles said its always going to differ. I turn my screen on and off constantly so disconnecting reconnecting that much would be ridiculous. Let this be the end of it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bso44:
Why are you taking this personally? I'm genuinely interested in this topic and just looking to bounce ideas off people. I could see an argument for leaving Wifi on constantly when you're connected to a network but cellular data is known to be such a battery killer that I don't see how leaving it on constantly would be better than toggling it on and off.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] flastnoles11:
Cell data is really only a huge killer if your in a bad data area...

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bso44:
Right. If you're stationary in a good reception area, then it isn't a problem. But if you're on the go a lot and going through areas of varying reception, I would assume that leaving data on constantly would sap a lot of battery.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
It's not personal I just don't like to clutter threads. Cellular data like again flastnoles has said varies per person. If you have bad service and its always trying to connect while it's on yes will drain your battery badly if it stays connected then not so much. If you think of it like WiFi in that respect and turn your screen on off constantly thus trying to reconnect to cellular data constantly will drain your battery more than having it stay connected if it stays connected is again based on your service. If you travel a lot and go through constant bad service areas I would not suggest to you to keep cellular data on. But I'm not in the business of knowing what individuals do or their service levels so I state generics. Generally speaking most of us have good service.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bso44:
Well this type of convo is exactly what this thread is for. We don't just talk specifically about tweaking the kernel but also about general tips for improving battery life and performance.

And I don't disagree with what flashnoles said. In a perfect world, I'd be stationary in an area with an awesome data signal. That's just not the case for me so I choose to toggle it on and off.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverender326:
Not in bad service areas. If i leave my data on at the office battery drains incredibly fast throughout the day. I get like 1 bar of 4g if i'm lucky at work. If I have llama set to data on when screen on and i turn my screen on and off a lot the drain is much less severe.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] castle_bravo:
I'll waste my battery in 8 hours at work so data starts off. When I get home I connect to Wi-Fi and stay connected. If I'm driving in the car data is off unless I'm streaming. Do generally I always keep data off until needed but if there is a Wi-Fi connection I always stay connected.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] JohnnyEpic:
Ok. So if I leave my car off my battery will charge itself?

:cool:

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDriller:
Yes. in fact once you stop using a battery a small amount of voltage magically reappears.

7000 lemons? wtf!?!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] styles420:
That's exactly what he was telling you... So I guess you believe his analogy even if you don't know it yourself ;)

He is "taking it personally" because you're trying (unsuccessfully) to poke holes in a worthy analogy, while simultaneously saying that you agree with the underlying concept of that analogy. ("I see what you're saying and the logic is sound, but I don't like how you said it so I have decided not to believe it until you say it the way I think it spud be said").

His point was that every time you toggle data on, a little bit of extra power is used during the scan and reconnect process (in exactly the same way that more gas is needed to start the car than to keep it running once it is started). In order words, toggling data all day long won't automatically save you battery - for example, if you use your phone in two minute bursts every five minutes (like I tend to do when I'm bored, lol) then you would save more battery by just leaving the data connection turned on (or rather, you would waste more battery power by forcing the phone to scan and reconnect several times an hour).
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
Yes sure why not :)

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Then for you I would just turn 4g off but leave regular 3g on if you get good service that way. If you don't use your phone at work much then no point to have it on.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Phung:
Oh lol. Well it used to be called Lollicup in Orlando too but they changed the names last year.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] daniel4653:
Oh I didn't know that! Lol it was good. Think I might get round 2 today.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Phung:
Yeah I wish they were a bit cheaper though so I can get it more regularly. So good :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
Well this thread is for logical discussion of anything that could inherently involve saving battery life. Many opinions and facts may get strewn about, no answer will always be correct. And if read by all everyone can come to their own conclusions.

Here are some facts

-average user will save the most energy turning any radio hardware off during times it is unneeded, be it Bluetooth,GPS,WiFi or data.

-wifi,Bluetooth,GPS and mobile data in low signal situation drains during usage or idle much more than same hardware in a good signal condition while in active or idle condition.

-the average user will always benefit from turning as many things off one can (doesn't mean it makes for a better user experience)

-more resources are used to have automated radio control vs manual toggle when moment of need comes up (ones personal preference here determines a lot, some need and have to sync so much at all times then automation makes most since even if it takes a bit more resource it shows better battery than leaving everything on constant but if this stuff is toggled every few minutes like screen on etc it can drain more because to connect to a tower it must provision and all this may take more than leaving a connection idle a few minutes and the other aspect is those toggling manually go through more physical work to save battery but suits anyone who can get away with that and saves the most one can on this topic... This means no answer is right for one and the other person... Find your preference and stick to it)

I am in a low signal area most times and even low signal WiFi area... Unless I move to where it is located at house its only little better than mobile data on my battery. There is no way Galaxy man could have posted his very wonderful battery run on me and his testing so far without being frugal, he toggles his radios like me and it helps. Now if we did that several times an hour it may not have benefited due to so much reconnecting and searching for towers. That aspect is like starting your phone up. Take more juice to reboot than to just leave it idle and on unless we are talking hours. So many processes for boot... So all the points above are valid in own way, mine and the posts above mine...

Please be less argumentative as overall you were discussing but I want less of a upset tone please! This is a great process let's just keep it a happy gathering place for battery saving techniques.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
This is my run correlating with Galaxymans run. He was on stock, this run I was on Onite 4500mah battery which is confirmed to be two 2100mah stock together so this is plainly a double capacity 4200mah.

Task650 AOSP AOKP 4.2.2 KT747 kernel 3.4

378-1674mhz

Ktoonservative Noop

No battery MHz control on.

Tapatalk remember this is CPU time I actually had tapatalk open for hours!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bso44:
Wow...that's awesome. How's the performance?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
That's pretty awesome. I'm wondering about the performance on noop as well maybe I should go mess with that or deadline and over clocking instead of under. A big difference in settings for battery life between this and the nexus 10 that I still need to learn. PS I need one of these massive batteries!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] prboy1969:
Ive actually found all the responses informative in some way for the most part. I do know that for my own usage, and experience I have seen a marked improvement when using DS Battery saver, vs. not using it. Even though it is only set on Strong. But thank you gentleman for all the findings, and information. :thumbup:

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
I've used DS battery saver too buddy, IMO it is built well and works as designed wonderfully and if set proper works even with Greenify. I like how DS has force deep sleep :)

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Performance has been great, though we have higher thresholds me and gman have been working on many aspects to keep performance and battery hand in hand so a good balance is found. Not one moment of lag at all thus far. Noop seems just fine for a daily scheduler which is incredible on battery and barely lower in performance department.

Overclocking isnt always going to help. 1674 is actually a good range maybe 1728 too because it really doesnt stress cpu as much but brings a quick boost in time of need. Gman was on 192 min 1134 max and mine 378-1674 and both on same settings other than those.

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I can't imagine what me and Gman could do on a Zero lemon :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Gguarda23:
So this is the deal so far:

Jellybomb v.15.5.0

4/11 kernel (tw 4.1.2)

Seeder (light)

Cpu sleeper on

Greenify

Renamed all 5 files (all settings sticking on kt)

Using Castle_Bravos "Balanced Ktoon/Row" settings

Stock battery

So far I'm loving this setup, doesn't get hot (which is what TW is known for) runs smooth and handles RAM well, no lag issues so far. I'll post the final tonight. My lady took the car to work so I'll be on Wi-Fi all day lol.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] castle_bravo:
Aosp conservative setup in testing folder. Might make a few more adjustments before final release. This is to replace current conservative setup
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] thegame2388:
so youre getting pretty much 6+ hrs screen on time per 2100mah....im not even getting 4.5.....how are u doing this
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
Frugal be frugal with everything. Galaxy man talks about it on his posts a lot. Turn all radios unless needed at time off. If you can use something like Lux auto to lower brightness to what is acceptable to read, if your phones getting hot its draining fast so use WiFi if possible vs mobile data reduces temps and power draw. Certainly using a governor that is quick to reach a decent MHz and quick to drop to idle saves the most but as long as it doesn't sit at max too long nor too under clocked causing jumping of MHz. I could right a book but a lot of info is in the thread. The only thing me and galaxy man haven't posted is the tunables we are on currently but its due to a work in progress and the rest of info is same as we all hav been posting. We will upload latest to box in a few days. Sorry for the delays.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] JohnnyEpic:
What is a.... Pickuptutorial?

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
Touch wiz?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] castle_bravo:
What mw86 says is right on. I do the same and I average about 5 hours screen time on a stock battery but while being off the charger for 30+ hours. I've even gotten two days off charge but with minimal use and close to 5 hours screen time. So that means 2.5 hours of screen a day easily.

The discussion about turning radios off and such is good. I personally always shut my radios off until needed, I don't think that having data on for an hour equals the battery draw of turning on/off data twice in that same hour. It works for me, mw, and gman. I've even started turning airplane mode on at night when I'm sleeping because I get pissed when a text wakes me up and I've seen battery life extend quite a bit by doing this. When I wake up I turn on Wi-Fi and sync up while I'm getting ready for work. By the time I'm out the door I'm all caught up and data is getting turned off. So the thing to take from all this is keep your radios off until you need them, I however, out of laziness, keep my Wi-Fi on when I'm home. I noticed Wi-Fi battery drain is minimal while it is a good connection.

My 2¢
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ryandubbz:
By having radios or data off you won't receive texts correct? I get automated messages from work so if I have data off I won't get any of them so my data always has to be on and that sucks because I would like to turn it off
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bso44:
No, you still receive texts.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
I use Airplane when I sleep too if air am not charging phone that night. Thanks for the support Castle ;) these methods really help.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Gguarda23:
Update on phone usage!

After trying to drain my phone all day (Which got boring after my third run through instagram lol) I came out with this!

In case anyone is wondering this is all on stock auto-brightness (In sunny South Florida btw)

To reiterate this is on Castle_Bravo's "Balanced Ktoonservative-Optimized Row Sched Settings" with a very simple approach to battery conservation, wifi and data always on the whole time, phone got warm but never as hot as I used to get on TouchWiz. Overall with the performance in mind it felt like a fantastic daily driver.

If you guys see something wrong please let me know, and I'm always down to answer any questions that anyone has!

:highfive: Team Kernalizers!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] castle_bravo:
Just wanted to say thanks for posting the cpu tables. I've been looking at them a lot lately trying to give this aosp set up. It definitely behaves differently from tw

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I think it might be a little bit till I get it to where I like it but I'm at 70% with 1 hour screen time and 8 hours off the charger. Usually at 1 hour screen time I'm just coming up to 80%. A lot of times it's like 85% though
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] JohnnyEpic:
Yes.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ryandubbz:
So if I put my phone in airplane mode I'll still get texts?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
Tw seems to just generally use less battery than AOSP from what I've found.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] thearch1tect:
No airplane mode turns off cell radios as well. If you turn just your data off you will still receive calls and texts because your cell radios are still on. Hope that clears it up.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] rcastel2:
I used castlebravo balAnced settings amd installed new kernel, stopped and cleared data as instructions said. The battery life on balanced seems to drain fast so I'm wonderinh if the conservative ktweaker file has better battery life but still retains some performance? Or do I need to go with something like mw86 tweaks? Currently there is no description of each tweak so it would help if there was a quick readme file that lists the general improvements Im each file
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] docnas:
Guys I have a request for everyone posting there settings in that restore file format, can you please post a txt file in the same folder so if i want I can see specifically what tweaks you made. I ask because I have my phone undervolted to a very high degree and I guess im one of the lucky ones (knock on wood) and my phone has been rock solid stable. Also Im preety happy with my governer settings (an adaptation of mw86's settings from long ago when this thread first started) which ive been using for a while and have been getting me on average 5 hrs of screen time without any problems. The only thing i havent really modified are my schedualer settings and the backup files that you post are all the settings combined so I cant just restore the schedualer settings and leave the rest alone.

So after that long paragraph again is there any way you can post your setttings in a text format so I can see them and and cherry pick what i like and not have to over write all of my other settings?

Also I do want to say thanks to everyone thats actually on this thread trying to squeeze every last bit out of their phone, too many good developers/tweakers to name so a general shout out to all of them.

BTW I have tried opening up the restore files with notepad but they are not really setup in a easy to understand way ie not sure which number refers to which setting.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iamikon:
Backup yours. Apply new. Screenshot or write down scheduler settings. Restore your backup. Profit.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] docnas:
Ok i guess i have to bite the bullet and do it that way...:(

A question regarding governer settings Whats a good value to use for Freq_step I currently have it as 2 , what are your thoughts on a good number that would be a balance between performance and battery conservation (with a little more towards conservation though)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] castle_bravo:
I hear what you are saying about posting the tweaks but I am just not going to do that. My files are named in a way for people to know what they are meant for. All my conservative setups are meant to provide max battery life while not sacrificing user experience at all or very little. If you are that interested in what the tweaks are download, restore, and look in ktweaker yourself.

Don't take this response as me being upset because I'm not. The file name says it all. :beer:

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Update to my conservative test is up on box.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] docnas:
[MENTION=293132]castle[/MENTION] Im using your settings from 4/17 im differing the balanced and the conservative settings and I wonder about a few things sepcifically

1) the sampling rates between conservative and balanced are very different would you mind explaining why you chose those numbers?

2) the option ignore_nice_load is 0 in balanced and 1 in conservative can you also give me some idea of your thought process regarding this?

3) also can you explain your reasoning behind a freq_step of 3 ?

Im not criticizing any of it Im just trying to understand the thought process regarding these settings as I like to have atleast a clue of what the effect of each option is. I like to play with settings so if i understand more I can play more.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] castle_bravo:
Yea man you are totally right, I've extended the life on this new test setup but if I was on tw I would easily have 15 to 20% more battery left.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
Yeah kinda to clarify Ktweaker applies my settings for the governor and they are no longer being reset and i dont need romtoolbox set for that this time. So we only need romtoolbox to set governor tunable if they keep getting reset. After installing my rom recent fresh i had the reset issue in Ktweaker yes. So the romtoolbox additional setting worked to fix that but i happened to reset Android Tuner (same as system tuner) and romtoolbox too i cleared their data and too my surprise upon reboot Ktweaker is set right on boot. So i reset all my settings in android tuner and romtoolbox and still without romtoolbox setting governor tunables also, Ktweaker is now working proper for me. So for some if you have the issue before settling on using Ktweaker and romtoolbox to set the governor tunables at boot just try resetting your secondary tuning apps like romtoolbox and system tuner as perhaps a lingering option throws it off. As is now on mine those apps are set back up and Ktweaker is doing its job right no issues.

Your welcome fluk321, its no problem i figured id go to each of the two other threads and provide link here and link to and from the other two threads so people who visit this or any of the other two threads hopefully follow to here to. Cheers guys this community rocks.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] steve97ta:
Was still having trouble with KTweaker keeping settings after setting up rom toolbox as well and clearing data. Going to freeze KTweaker and run everything through Rom Toolbox to see if that helps. Should be the same as I set everything up mirroring the new settings just in Rom Toolbox.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] galaxys3man30:
Yes ur right you don't really have to use ktweaker app u can use whatever won't really

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] steve97ta:
Thanks man, gonna see if it goes a bit better. I am thinking they were clashing, they do the same thing either way so I'm fine with that. Rom Toolbox it is, just froze KTweaker in case I wanna try again later.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] KennyG123:
Awesome work G!

I am the author of The People's ROM and I approve this thread..LOL.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] galaxys3man30:
LOL thank you for your approval boss thank you

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mw86:
Thanks Kenny! We have been at our settings for awhile. Glad you like what you see. I agree Galaxyman put all this together nicely.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] h20wakebum:
Awesome!!

Although, I didn't notice you covering the voltages...

In the post I can't find mw86 had us adjust the voltages of every cpu level..

Do we no longer need to do that?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] galaxys3man30:
We do cover it I just haven't put them up yet buddy lol its a work progress

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