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[HTC Droid DNA] Sality:
Ok, ill answe all Q in one post)

1. just 5 posts, cause im new here, im a russian developer and mostly making mods & tweaks for russian "xda-analogue" called 4pda.

2. long wait? Its not a long wait for s-off, need to do few more things and compile everything normally.

3. All DNA for now comes with date 23, Oct. Checked 4 devices.

4. Im current;y at home, tommorow will be at work, and will make few photos with a piece of paper with my nickname, no problems with that.

5. Its not test-device for reviewers, this device was bought less then a week ago.

6. Yes, u can get locked status again, instead of re-locked.

And one more thing:

Source codes, or methods, or exploits WONT be released for public. Sorry, but It's not negotiable

:p
[HTC Droid DNA] wdarea51:
So does this mean that we will not be able to get s-off, if you won't release the exploit? Or are you just not releasing HOW you did it?
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
all of them say oct 23'd. Boot your dna into it and itll say oct 23(just checked on mine)
[HTC Droid DNA] Sality:
U will be able to get S-OFF, other info = top secret:p
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I can understand folks being hesitant. There was a donation thread for a guy who guaranteed to have working root for the Verizon Note II. Not only did he get a free phone, none of his methods worked.

Talk is cheap and people are skeptical. You know how it is.
[HTC Droid DNA] Sality:
Thats why u wont see any donation button:cowboy:

It will appears only when I will have beta-rabbits :fingers-crossed: and there will be video on youtube)
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I respect you for not having a donation link yet.

:)
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
lol okay. just dont want people to get their hopes up then get crushed.

better to be safe than sorry XD
[HTC Droid DNA] BigRed35m:
I can't help but laugh/reply at this one. Soooo if all other information is top secret, can we meet up and you give me the scoup since i hold a Top Secret-SCI? :laugh:
[HTC Droid DNA] Cadillac Johnson:
I'm gonna guess the method was probably leaked to the OP via someone inside HTC. Sometimes those leaks come with conditions, so the wait is expected. Waiting a couple months, when every other One series phone has been waiting for the better part of a year is definitely OK in my book.

If this is accurate, and it looks to be, having a working s-off method will be amazing.
[HTC Droid DNA] beaups:
You should consider doing a little more research before you post.

We can flash any ROM with S-ON that we can with S-OFF. This has ZERO to do with why we don't see AOSP ROMs yet. We see no AOSP today because we have no compatible ril yet, and S-ON vs. S-OFF has no impact there.

S-ON vs S-OFF is simply a matter of convenience. And "possibly" the ability to flash different radios. Nothing more.
[HTC Droid DNA] papi92:
S-Off will allow us to edit system without being in recovery and allow us to flash boot.img in recovery. Oh and custom ruu:)
[HTC Droid DNA] Sparty73:
I'm getting the idea that S-Off is not exactly all that important. We can flash boot.img in fastboot as it is, which, I suppose, is less convenient than recovery, but still . . .
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
It's pretty important.

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[HTC Droid DNA] Sparty73:
Why exactly though? I'm not saying you're wrong, I guess I haven't seen a great explanation. It just seems like it makes it more convenient in that you could flash in recovery rather than fastboot ...
[HTC Droid DNA] BFirebird101:
Omg it's not complicated people. To put it simply, whenever you must flash something through adb, such as a boot.img, you need your computer. With s-off, you don't need a computer to flash a boot.img or a radio package, you can just do it through recovery.

Sent from my Droid DNA.

1080p never looked so sweet!
[HTC Droid DNA] fernando sor:
Not to mention it is causing a lot of issues you normally wouldn't see with being able to write to system. In addition neither recovery is working as they should. Cmw is a mess for me and teamwin isn't sized to the screen res
[HTC Droid DNA] RussianBear:
Could I get a link to some of your work there?I couldn't find your name via Google.

I did read about an announcement that a Russian service center could s-off msm8960 offices, but no feedback from actual users.

http://www.pdacenter.ru/novosti/s-off-dlja-novykh-modelejj-htc/
[HTC Droid DNA] rajuabju:
S-OFF definitely IS important. Can we live without it for "most" things such as custom ROM's and Kernels... yes. But having S-off not only makes things easier (not have to use a computer to do everything via ADB), but allows for tweaking/editing/customization of all the key System files.

Regardless, we know its being worked on, we know at least one developer who claims its already been achieved, and I'm pretty confident that sooner or later, we'll all be able to get S-Off.

There is a good thread on XDA somewhere (gotta search for it) which goes into some detail and explanation in differentiating between an unlocked bootloader vs S-off. It's definitely an interesting and worthwhile read for anyone who wants to truly understand what the differences are and why each is important. The wealth of knowledge on XDA truly is mind boggling sometimes.
[HTC Droid DNA] sn1p3r6992:
I would like that link if you could find it !
[HTC Droid DNA] AgentCherryColla:
Can not wait for this device to gain S-Off. Then I'll be willing to buy it :D But I feel lazypanda should be on its way soon.
[HTC Droid DNA] ...Awesome...:
I just received an HTC DEV DNA phone and it comes straight with S-OFF Im pretty sure the OP got the same phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] scotty1223:
im pretty sure this is not a productive,or useful post at all. but thanks for your contribution :rolleyes:

i personally am still giving him the benefit of the doubt.
[HTC Droid DNA] earthrocker:
why is the quote system all screwed up in this thread? lol
[HTC Droid DNA] nitrous²:
Everything is normal for me. Check your browser settings.
[HTC Droid DNA] earthrocker:
weird. I see it messed up on Tapatalk and computer lol
[HTC Droid DNA] gitku:
Sality, did you ever create a Twitter account? I'd like to follow to get real information instead of filtering through the yhread . Thanks for what your doing.
[HTC Droid DNA] scotty1223:
I agree... I'd like to follow also :)
[HTC Droid DNA] RussianBear:
It's in his profile.
[HTC Droid DNA] gitku:
I figured there may be a different one ... Dec 7 I think it was when he said he would create one ... this one has posts for over 6 months
[HTC Droid DNA] TechSavvy2:
Go ahead and try that out and let us know how it works out for you.......and I'm talking about a single flash, no P98IMG's or similar anythings or extracting any boot.img's or anything from roms etc etc....... download zip, boot to recovery, flash rom, reboot.......bootloop? or unauthorized firmware? which is it?

I'll admit I was probably wrong about AOSP, but your trying to say that s-off does.....nothing? lol. Full access to hboot? and lack of access to permanent write to /system (which is "mistakenly" only problematic on the DNA for now?)

Yes, some of it I don't 100% understand, and I'll gladly own up to it, but the condescending **** offends me (and anyone for that matter) . How about a simple "I'd like to correct you on some of that there"

Now since I'm obviously misled about some of the security checks that run during flashing (when s-on), would anyone like to fill me in there? Like a more advanced understanding of it? Because the 13 different things I've read all say the same something around the lines of "limited access to boot, system, and recovery ONLY, but MANY checks still being done on the phone and/or img." and that you have to extract boot.img etc etc etc.....
[HTC Droid DNA] beaups:
We can flash any Rom we want. We can flash any recovery we want. We can flash any kernel we want. System is only writeable (currently) through recovery.

The reason I was hard on you is you decided to spread uneducated FUD, and people who don't know any better might believe it.

Its ok not to know things, we all have to learn. Just refrain from making statements as fact about things you don't understand.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
You can flash a .zip from recovery with s on.

The main thing that s off gives us is the ability to write to /system while booted in android. You can still write to it from recovery.
[HTC Droid DNA] TechSavvy2:
You repeated something in the quote I already said in my post. I know this part.

What I'm getting at is the part that keeps getting ignored.....having to extract boot.img and flash separately.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
My understanding is roms must be flashed in recovery while other things like kernels must be done via fastboot. I remember doing this on my droid4 when we had to go leak to leak. The principle is the same here.

The S-on prevents writing to the system while booted, that's why apps like Adaway don't work on the phone right now.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Where is the update?

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] EmericanX:
Can't wait for s-off! Being I've spent most of my time with android on Moto hardware I wasn't even sure what s-off meant! But now that I do I need it... Lol. I wouldn't even know where to begin to accomplish s-off so I'm stoked its a work in progress! BTW I absolutely love this phone... I'm ditching my Razr HD dev edition and waiting for this to happen!
[HTC Droid DNA] jasoraso:
I am NOT an expert, and do NOT have actuall knowledge of the following opinions. However, from what I have gathered listening to various forums, the inability of of being able to write to the /system partition while the phone is booted into the normal o/s would be corrected by having s-off. But, the fact that the phones are s-on is NOT necessarily the cause of being unable to write to the system partition. Other HTC phones have been unlocked on the htcdev.com site, and they are able to write to /system, even though they are s-on.

Whether this is an intentional change by HTC (Verizon) is unknown. It certainly could be a new policy of HTC to allow the unlocking of phones, but keeping /system write protected when booted into Android. HOWEVER, it is also possible that the inability to write to /system after unlocking with HTCDev.com, even with root permission is merely a bug.

If it was a bug, it is possible that HTC could/would fix that in a later update. I suppose it also may be possible that it will move from bug status to feature status at HTC as well :(

Bottom line is that flashing a kernel requires a few more hoops to jump through, and things that have traditionally been handled by modifying system files currently have to be done in recovery mode. Yes, it is a little more inconvenient, but we still can do quite a bit with the phone w/o needed s-off. And if HTC changes the unlocking script on HTCDev, we may not even need s-off in order to write to the system.

That being said, I would love s-off on the DNA. Besides helping us overcome the /system write protection, it would mean that we truly OWN and control our devices, updates etc. from Verizon or HTC notwithstanding.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
While unlocked and s-on you are not supposed to be allowed to edit /system while booted, this was broken on some older devices and it allowed for the editing of /system with s-on. This has been fixed on newer devices.

But hypothetically, if you were correct, they wouldnt fix it on our device, since we arent supposed to be able to unlock it
[HTC Droid DNA] jasoraso:
So you are saying that the bug was actually that some devices COULD write to /system while booted. And that HTC corrected that with the DNA? Hmmm. I had heard others say that the DNA was the one with the bug. Darn. I was hoping we could possibly hope to have this corrected in the future, even if we never got s-off. I guess that HTC could alway re-introduce the "bug", but that sounds less likely if the unlock on HTCdev is currently functioning as designed. :(

It would be interesting to know if any devices were unlocked by the HTCdev website PRIOR to HTC removing the DNA from the approved devices, and if they exhibit the same locked /system partition when booted into Android. As far as I know, there were several DNA's in the wild before the release date, and removing the DNA from the HTCdev site, but I think they were already s-off, so no-one may know.
[HTC Droid DNA] dr_drache:
they have the same "issue" we had at least one that was s-on HTCDEV unlocked,

it is 100% the same as the phone you or I have.
[HTC Droid DNA] nitsuj17:
well you can modify/edit/push to system while booted...just nothing sticks

you can push and hot reboot to rest things though (jars/frameworks)
[HTC Droid DNA] papi92:
Anymore news on this?
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
If it'd be posted

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[HTC Droid DNA] papi92:
I didn't mean info on this. Idk if they tested yet on DLX or whatever the European version is. Idc about eta lol when it comes it comes. I just like reading about it
[HTC Droid DNA] morpheousrx:
Ok so today is the 29th....ill wait for this video...but im pretty skeptical myself. Coming from the rezound forums...this is like de ja vue. Cheers to all!
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
Just to be clear and ahead of what might happen in here....

Even if nothing happens today this is NOT a place to come and post displeasure or doubt about it.

Many things could be reasonable reasons as to why no video happens and it is NOT anyone's place to come in and complain/ridicule anyone over it. People do this in their FREE time so either pick up a book and start helping or sit back and be quiet.
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
Last warning guys/gals.

There will be ZERO talk about the date or video being released... Nothing good will come of it, and I don't want to risk a dev leaving because some people wanna discuss and moan about a video/date and if it doesn't get released on the date initially mentioned...

If he never posts it then so be it. No need to discuss it as he has already been vetted by others on here and wasn't asking for $ so this isn't the case of a new person trying to scam...

Again no talk of the video or date past this point at least until its posted...
[HTC Droid DNA] el7145:
If a developer gives a date in the thread for everyone and that date passes(which it hasent yet), do people not have the right to ask why???
[HTC Droid DNA] jcase:
I keep getting told I said the guy was legit/vetted him by people on IRc, I just want to be clear,

I said there was no reason to not believe him (or to believe him), period. Let him do what he wants, with his own work, on his own time.

I don't know him, nor have i verified anything. The fact that he hasn't asked for anything shows that he is harmless either way.
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
Btw vetted was poor wording on my part nor was I inferring you did that either there in my post...

Just really emphasizing that there is no need to beat over this date and such as that's the reason people hate ETAs as anything can happen to cause a delay....yet people on here act like xda is the one and only software related business that never misses a dates... In real world dates are missed by every major company all the time...

**** happens... and a dev having to respond to a community for which they do the work for for free is sad imho... People should take what they get and move on, no need to complain or bother for ETAs... If they don't like something then they should start trying to do it themselves...not come in and demand or question validity of status updates...
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
Not in this case no. All that will do is lead to users starting to question the dev which in turn could lead to them saying f it and not helping yall out... Like what's been said, they are not asking for anything in return so no need to discredit or question anything less you have other reason why that are actually based on facts outside of a missed eta...
[HTC Droid DNA] papi92:
I agree with the sgt. We need to lay off of devs. He was nice enough to give us a date. This date is more of a time to start looking. He could have said no etas and we would be checking the thread everyday. I check once a day at night. Don't let this make or break your day either. Its just android.
[HTC Droid DNA] jamesbra:
Just android? Blasphemy :)

sent from my unlocked and rooted droid DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] EmericanX:
What I notice a lot of folks seem to forget is this is a hobby for the most part. This stuff can either work with you or fight you every step of the way! Trust me I know... The only thing asking for eta's will do is cause annoyance and further questions of when it will happen! If a device was bought "assuming" s-off would be accomplished that falls back on the user. The folks that are working on it are doing it just because and are asking for nothing!!! Lets try to keep that in mind. Don't get me wrong... I would love s-off but being that its a little above my theoretical pay scale... All I can do is hope for the outcome! But asking for ETA's or updates aren't going to help..

BTW.. I completely agree w/ SGT... This is not a paid product so there wouldn't be a reason the expect an answer on an ETA... Lets just hope it pans out or dig in and help! :)
[HTC Droid DNA] Papa Smurf151:
ETA are not to be asked for and at the same time if a dev gives one and cant live up to it im sure there is a good reason for it and if even there isnt then it doesnt matter. These devs do this for free and release when they are ready to release.

thread cleaned
[HTC Droid DNA] jasek78:
why can't hurry the **** up be a virtue? lmao
[HTC Droid DNA] papi92:
Can this be closed till something happens?
[HTC Droid DNA] cj2566:
I second this motion....
[HTC Droid DNA] nc88keyz:
Third
[HTC Droid DNA] trickster2369:
If people would quit posting in it, it would just disappear. Oops, I just posted.:cool:
[HTC Droid DNA] scotty1223:
What's the point of that? :rolleyes:

I'd kinda like the guy to be able to update his thread if he'd like to. If not,then stop posting and let it slide away,as suggested above.
[HTC Droid DNA] sg10:
if/when S-OFF available for Droid DNA, it should available for Butterfly as well right ?

or it will be entirely different ?
[HTC Droid DNA] beaups:
There's already a method for butterfly. It is very different.
[HTC Droid DNA] fernando sor:
of course he won't reveal source. Why would anyone do that? So they can patch it?
[HTC Droid DNA] scotty1223:
awsome sauce. :cool:

hopefully this method will be applicable to the other non-removable sd devices.

thread followed!

thanks for your efforts,and the preview. i for one will be happy to donate when the time comes.
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
Thanks for answering questions

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[HTC Droid DNA] skynet11:
Pass the pipe, dude :laugh:
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
As for gaining "locked" status back.... Once you soff you can edit that top bar section to say whatever you want really.... Check the EVO lte dev section
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
EXACTLY!

That's how it always has been.... Only time they are notified is when it is a serious security threat type issue that they actually need to patch...
[HTC Droid DNA] scotty1223:
while editing the hboot banner does change you to locked visually,it isnt changing your lock status flag. it is an unsigned hboot,that will be overwritten by a stock hboot(wich will NOT display whatever you cleverly edited),and if an unsuspecting individual tries to write secureflag3 for some reason an any hex edited hboot,he will be left with a non-booting device on his hands.

if the s-off procedure also edits the lock status flag,then do not unlock it afterward.
[HTC Droid DNA] typeriz:
One question sality,

In your s-off process, will I need to be unlocked and rooted, beacuse I haven't started the unlock process, and don't want an update thru Verizon were they might block it.

....

Just like to know for future reference.
[HTC Droid DNA] fernando sor:
This phone is just awful to mod. I've never modded a write only system. Every time I flash one of my systemui mods I lose root lol. Pain in the ass
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
Really?... What is the big difference/cause for it compared to the EVO?...
[HTC Droid DNA] fernando sor:
The evo is like any other phone when unlocked and expandable memory.

I'm just seeing bizarre things happen.

Like the borked camcorder issue when you deodex. When I flash HTC stock camera my phone won't boot
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
I can wait, not buying my next phone until feb anyways. Hopefully its all worked out by then.

oh, and on the note 2, the dev didn't beg for donations, those that jumped from the s3 to the note 2 begged him to come dev for it.

I don't blame the devs for people donating in advance. If they are that trusting, that is their choice.
[HTC Droid DNA] sgt. slaughter:
Wtf that's completely odd
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Camera/Camcorder is likely breaking due to optpng, not deodexing. It just so happens that most people who deodex, automatically optpng, which is bad when things such as audio are involved. It breaks things. Does the camcorder contain any audio files? Its always been a rule of thumb that two things you NEVER optpng are camera and keyboard apks. I just play it safe and don't optpng anything. The benefits are outweighed by the stability risks.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Eh...he was in the Note II forum from the get-go. I don't think anyone begged him to do a thing. I was also told that he has been trying to claim credit for other people's work in IRC. I can't verify that though. Then there was him bashing jcase on twitter, which is singlehandedly one of the stupidest things you could do in the android community.

Not that I really care, just find it amusing.
[HTC Droid DNA] fernando sor:
I've never heard of zipaligning borking an app. And the market strongly recomends zipaligning before you upload to it. I could be wrong but I don't think so
[HTC Droid DNA] jcase:
Lets point out two things real quick

1) No reason not to trust this person, do not rush him on his exploits.

2) There is a chance that this is a factory s-off device, one of the three we used during the unlock development was a factory s-off device.

Since he has no donation link up, I tend to believe he is likely legit.
[HTC Droid DNA] jcase:
zipaligning should not 'bork' an app, most of us do it as part of our compile script.
[HTC Droid DNA] texascfdad:
I know on the rezound once your s-off you can ruu and it will say locked, as opposed to re-locked.. just my 2 cents.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
not the first time I've seen devs go at it. Many can get quite immature. Apparently enough people from the S3 liked his work, because the money came in. Personally I'll donate if I like the work offered, not before.

And you are right, shouldn't go after jcase, but those 3 were going after him pretty hard in the forums.
[HTC Droid DNA] jcase:
I didn't go after anyone, I asked an innocent question and then got jumped on. I came to offer help, obviously they didn't want it. Hope they enjoy using an outdated system image for root.

Asking for donations before work not only leads to disappointment/fraud but also is banned by rule 8. Want an example, look at the hustle evildevnull pulled.
[HTC Droid DNA] alchemist316:
The guy who got s-off on the EVO LTE had about 38 posts the recognized dev name holds a sense of respect but I never count out anyone here to come up with something great
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Sorry, not zipalign. Optpng. A lot of deodex tools do it. Xultimate comes to mind.

Mah bad.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Yeah I meant optpng.
[HTC Droid DNA] suzook:
What idiots! I now have a note2...having you help would have been a big advantage. Seems like a lot of immature devs lately. What a shame. Hope you can help in some way.