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[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Jammol:
Okay I don't normally speak on these types of topics but now I will.

I completely agree and understand. Noobs will be noobs. Heck I am still one.

I started off with a Samsung Infuse, read and read and read and read and READ to learn how to root the dang thing and keep it from bricking. I never flashed something without reading. And I never flashed as soon as something got released!!! Maybe it's just commonsense, or maybe it's the fact that I am intuitive and have been ever since the age of 8 when I built my first PC from scratch. But a lot of it has to do with READING!!! Noobs don't like to READ because they want to know and they want to know NOW. That's the major problem.

I see people saying things about Task and how he is rude. Honestly, I don't think he is because it clearly states in his OP follow the instructions carefully and READ.

Just my $2. I'm not *****in'!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
How do i root my GS3?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] c_86:
I sincerely hope this is a joke.....
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
Of course...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Bruce Lee:
Good post caspersfi.

I agree with just about all of it...... but I personally when someone asks a question I just answer in polite words, even if its already posted. Some people just don't get and need to be pretty much spoon fed. I work at a front desk of a pet hospital and I get some pretty dumb questions from the public since its in a Petsmart. They look for you as the experts and as a resource. They same can be looked at like xda. I was raised in a family to help people no matter the situation before yourself. People honestly need to respect each other and flaming other people wouldnt happen.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] reNeglect:
Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.

But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?

:rolleyes:

I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.

Stay classy, XDA.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zmore:
Don't be so sure about that. I have recently patented a DEVICE and APPARATUS for PUNCHING PEOPLE over the INTERNET :)

---------- Post added at 01:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:49 AM ----------

Well, similarly to open-source software, it's a largely thankless job done for fun, and NOT the expectation of $$$, or accolades...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
Exactly this.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zaghy2zy:
^ THIS

I really think they should update the first post on a thread, so that a particular question that keep repeatedly asked doesn't need to be asked again. Personally, if I had a question, I check the thread's first page to see if they had some sort of FAQs up there for questions that are FREQUENTLY asked.

If not, I resort to searching. But sometimes, your question is a bit general and you can't find any useful information via search. Even via Google. Sometimes, even if you try to be specific with search, you can't nail down the solution of the problem. Sometimes you just find someone asking the same question and was left unanswered because "this noob didn't do a search. So no we won't answer his question"

But then again, if a question is repeatedly asked, the search should yield a good answer. But there's just those odd moments where search isn't helpful at all and you try asking.

I think it would be best if a) there's a FAQs (I've actually seen a few threads on other sections of XDA with a separate thread for asking questions), or b) just answer the damn question, and remind them to use search or something... Instead of resorting to name calling and flaming.

Sometimes, I just avoid posting on XDA because I feel some people feel they're the elite and that instead of teaching the new people how to learn they just scoff them off telling them to learn on their own. I started XDA years back, and while I mostly did my learning on my own, I had a couple of people help me pointing me to things and all that. But now days, XDA is just full of rowdy people trying to make themselves special.

EDIT: And all of those efforts in flaming could have just been put to good use. So what did you end up accomplishing in name calling and flaming? Nothing.

Which is as much as you could accomplish if you ignored the person and did nothing. So if you ain't helping just ugnore becuase it doesn't accomplish anything to call out someone, call them names, and flame them.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Deggy:
I'll admit to being both a noob and an "a-hole". The first topic I created on XDA was in the the developement forum (check my profile to verify)! Oh boy, did I get whipped for that. I took it like a man, didn't argue and I learned real fast. Even since then, I learned to read, search, do whatever it takes to solve my own issues.

Now the A-hole part of me showed in the Atrix forum. Some guy posted a question which has been posted to the bone a million times and got into an argument with him, telling to search, read, ect. Was it justified? Maybe. Was my argument with him going to stop other noobs from posting repeated questions? No. I don't know on that day, I decided I had enough and beefed with him. Maybe because he didn't put in enough effort look around posting a question when it's been asked a million times. I usually just ignore stuff like that but it really got to me when I saw that question.

We all like to think that our question(s) has never been asked before so we come here and post but that's usually never the case is it? That's just human nature. What's more of a satisifying feeling? Finding your own solution via searching, reading, ect. or asking a question and getting a direct, personal answer? Wait don't answer that.

I compare the forums to a classroom that doesn't has a beginning or an ending semester. Students constantly coming and going while the teacher has to start his lesson over and over and over. Students raising their hands and asking questions about chapter 1 while the students who been there for a while are annoyed because they're on chapter 8.and have to wait for the teacher to stop and answer a previously asked question.

That's the end of my rant. I got my scars from my mistakes. Learn from me. They're not worth showing off.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] wpghtc:
At the end of the day, who really cares? Someone asked a question, maybe it was answered already, who freakin cares? No one got hurt.

The person asking meant to seek information. The person replying set out to inflame and incite. Who is the real problem?

Do you ever consider the experience a new user has on these forums?

Subjected to elitist snobs and morons who can't wait to bash someone. If they are new, they don't understand. But they will realize just what kind of arrogant, socially inept people some members can be. And quickly.

Nothing says "welcome" like a good, old fashioned condescending person.

If you don't answer people like that in real life, maybe you shouldn't on the internet either.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] viny2cool:
I have stopped posting as well from some time, as I get most my answers by just reading OP and other posts. I disagree with OP here to some extent. The main problem is not the noobs but the self proclaimed experts. It take same amount of time and energy to answer someone's question and bashing them. I do agree that if you don't know the answer just ignore them, but saying read read instead of answering them is just starting a new war. When I was in Captivate forums, I knew few people who answered same questions everyday and eventually made a general thread to help new people. Either block noobs from this forum or stop starting these kind of thread to get attention.

I don't think anyone just post a question without researching, as most of the members now know how badly they get bashed for it. So if someone is asking a sincere question, I think they should be answered or ignored. These forums are to help each other learn new things, no one came here as expert (except few).

Whatever happened to that saying: No question is a stupid question...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] rdashg2x:
Maybe we politely answer the noob's question(s), quote or link back to where it was answered before, and kindly remind them to look first rather than showing them instant hostility. Radical idea, I know.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
:thumbup:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
Appreciate the responses here guys.

The first phone I rooted was an HTC TBOLT a cpl yrs back. After rooting it I flashed the wrong ROM for it and then proceeded to ask my question in the Development Forum. Well, I then got my ass handed to me. BUT there was one guy that pointed me in the right direction and I was so thankful.

Again, please don't interpret my OP as a bash on noobs or not to be helpful. I was just trying to get across if ya don't have anything nice to say to the question or are frustrated with seeing it over and over......... maybe just move on and let it go.

I guess that will never happen, but the moment I posted this thread I was just tired of seeing threads getting shut down and Mods having to step in so much.

The best thing about XDA is guys helping each other out.

Thanks. :)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Sianspheric:
You do realize that with 5904030 sub-forums on here, sometimes even utilizing the search options cannot reveal an exact answer to a specific question, for a specific firmware for a specific device.

I think that's something that gets forgotten here.

Saying everyone should just ignore every n00b who DARES to ask a question that might have been asked before is totally asinine and will completely drive away new members, at least certainly discourage anyone from joining or continually trying to contribute to XDA.

My big problem with XDA is the culture of elietism, apparently none of you guys were ever new to Android, apparently you were all just born with a knowledge of ROM's, kernels, all the various acronyms in use, and if by some miniscule chance you didn't have an answer, the XDA search function would 100% provide you with the answer because some other poor n00b previously asked the question for which you need the answer to. You of course didn't have to comb a 35 page thread to try and find one small answer rather than daring to simply as it again.

No, you were all new members, you all asked n00b questions at one point, you ALL once asked something without exhaustively searching for an answer previously.

Get over yourselves. Thousands and thousands of people are migrating to Android each month, and a good chunk of those will be interested in rooting and that's how they'll end up here. Deal with it and stop crying over n00bs. Calling a n00b a troll is a totally hilarious notion for those of us who have posted on regular message boards and seen the utterly ridiculous antics real trolls undertake, not some guy on here who posts a thread wanting to know some question about ClockworkMod or something, that person isn't a troll, you are just an intolerant level 9 blackbelt phone hacking nerd. Keep calm and carry on.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] rdashg2x:
Hear, hear!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Sianspheric:
THIS
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Deggy:
I'm just gonna agree with the OP about just ignoring the question that pisses you off instead of flaming or being angry with a response. There's a difference with ignoring the question and choosing not to flame or start an useless argument over the internet.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] c_86:
Normally I would agree with the op to a point...

If the thread was made and its about an older issue then I will probably ignore it or help... depends on what it is... but if its a recent issue like how to root my s3. Are you fricken kidding me.... that deserves to be smashed. Or something that I know was covered recently S I am on the boards numerous times z hour. So I know what's there and what isn't... if its there again... it pure laziness on their part refusing to click a couple links and scrolling and reading... that again deserve to be smashed

My point of view..
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] trendiggity:
Half of the problem is that awful video they make you watch before you can sign up. It doesn't do anything for anyone; it's a complete waste of time.

- If you're actually mindful of forum etiquette it's enough to scare off anyone from ever posting anything.

- If you're prone to being an internet tough-guy it encourages the behaviour. "The video says don't be a n00b!!!11"

- If you're the type to post random questions, in the wrong forum, with little to no punctuation, without reading the thread, chances are you didn't watch (or understand) the video anyway.

A select group of people are quicker in this forum than any I've been on to jump on someone for no reason for asking a question. Generally, in the amount of time it takes someone to write a flaming fireball of explosive fire, you could have answered said question AND provided a link.

There have been posts buried in threads that I never would have found without someone asking and someone linking, separate from the main topic.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] polobreaka:
the problem isnt with the noobs, but more so with the creator/Dev of the thread. For some reason, by them starting off as being a prick, allows their followers to become one as well. The vibe in their threads are always hostile. i dont understand, but the Mods tolerate it. There are many other development threads with Devs being much more helpful and supportive that makes you feel more welcomed. I rather support devs that helps than devs that are sarcastic aholes that thinks they are in power just because they have a strong following.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
Everything about this is spot on.

Task650 is such an unbelievably prime example of this. The guy is everything I hate about this place, and the users EAT. IT. UP.

Someone asks a question that's already been answered? You'll see like 50 people jumping down the person's throat, calling them lazy, stupid, a noob, you name it.

Did the person say they didn't search? Nope. Everyone just assumes.

I thought we were here to help people, advance technology, and promote it. I hate being wrong. :highfive:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] polobreaka:
HA. i was refraining from calling anyone out, but i see you have figured it out.

and your sig..haha
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
HA! Dude, I love his work. I'll be the first to admit that he's an amazing developer.

:highfive:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
How do I root my GS3?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
Seriously, updating first posts should be a rule. Here, threads get hijacked like nobody's business with a ten different topics going on at the same time.

The entire ethos of what a thread is needs to change: it should not be an amalgamation of 500 different Yahoo Answer threads. Everyone should work towards creating new information to add to the first post.

The best solution is if the first post of a thread was automatically editable by anyone (like a Wiki). Then, if you solve your problem, you add your solution to the first post.

About elitist people: you're all right: they are allowed and sustained by a culture. The day people start making the RIGHT kinds of threads, these people will adapt or leave.

/rant
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zaghy2zy:
Just to add, there was this dev who jumped on me for giving a constructive feedback. I wasn't name calling flaming or anything. I felt sad that a dev I admire their work has such a bad attitude. And I kept my cool and replied promptly and maybe he realized what an ass he was. I mean, there wasn't any need to jump on me for giving a helpful feedback but I got that as a response. I was disappointed. I just left it as is and maybe other people can see that the dev they so adore doesn't give a **** about their followers because "we do this in our free time and not for you" I understand that. But I wasn't even giving a feedback about their development or rom. It was about their communication and approach with their community. And with that answer I saw the reason why their community is messed up smug people.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
Damn, really don't want this thread to turn into a bash thread.

Actually, the opposite.

LMAO.......... pretty hilarious contradiction If I have to ask a Mod to close it.

I won't, just thinking out loud.

:)

Peace Ya'll.........
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
Honestly, man, you HAD to have known it would come to this.

I barely made it through the first two sentences of the initial post before thinking, "Awww hell. This is where everyone's hate for the devs comes out."

:laugh:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
Okay, well whatever. Really don't see how my OP has anything to do with hating on a DEV.

It is what is I guess.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
I didn't say your OP did. :good:

I'm just saying that these types of posts always end up leading to that. It's not your fault, of course.

:fingers-crossed:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zaghy2zy:
Well, we all have to let loose some steam once in a while... And as a community we can learn from each other based on other people's experience...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
Well said.

Thanks. :)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
Could the OP please update his first?

I have a question on this topic but I'm to lazy to read through the 4 pages. And I don't want to get flamed for asking some thing that has already been covered on this topic.

:)

A FAQ would be nice too.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Senor Forum:
And it's TKG26 with a

ZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING INTO LEFT FIELD!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
OP updated.

LOL!!!!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zaghy2zy:
Thanks OP for updating first post! It helps a lot now that we have FAQs! :D:good:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
Hey, that's what I'm here for. Any other questions ya'll have let me know and I can add it to the OP.

:beer: :good: :beer:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] meanhacker:
Good points. Less crap to read. If everyone will be kind enough and help out the noob by answering their question, maybe the forum will be a much better place because remember - you were a noob once too. This will not work if the noob asks a question and doesn't check back in the thread for an answer to his post, so it has to be an effort from both sides. Cheers.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] bbgt2:
What's a ROM, is it a Dev? And yes I searched
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
When are you consider not a noon? Post count? Thanks count? Time served?

I'm just a tester since the HTC touch days... I'm always learning....
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] caspersfi:
Added to the OP FAQ. LOL

Night all.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] pngface:
Its hard to say..like you pointed out, most people usually start out as hours of the day. If you ask me, once they have enough 'time' served, they stop being a noon.

;)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TKG26:
NOOB! LOL damn auto correct! Noon=Noob :)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Bagbug:
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

Get a life asap
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
Oh, right, this is a rant; you aren't looking for a solution. :D

Wutever. :) Well, continue venting if it is cathartic, then, and then soon we all get lives, as bagbug points out, and stop caring about something that we ain't gonna fix.

Gonna go flame a noob who just trashed my thread...man, he just needs to read the last 15 pages of contradictory information. ;)

P.S. nice FAQ. You should bold the questions, though, to make it easier to read, hehe. :)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] The Archangel:
Locked per op request.
[General Questions and Answers] tlreitz:
I want to know if someone can port a HTC sense keybord APK for my Samsung note 2 SPH L900. I love the keyboard on my evo 4g lte and would really love for someone to please help me get it on my note.