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[Nexus 4 General] mintvilla:
Oh well if you and your wife said it was true, then it must be true. how about from now on, we will just refer all discussions to you and your wife to see who is right?

No one is denying that Amoled's don't produce the best blacks on a screen, but they are different techs and have different strengths and weakness, for example the galaxy nexus only has 200 nits screen brightness where ass the the nexus 4, iphone all have between 500-600, and is therefore much much better to see when outside, this isnt opinion, its fact. Also for reference the Note and GS3 are around the 300 mark, better than the gnexus but no where near as bright as the other LCD's.

This isn't opinion, its a fact.

Others facts are that the vast majority of Amoleds are of the pentile nature, meaning they do not compare with the crisp and sharpness of none pentile displays of the same resolution.

Another fact is that amoled screens are calibrated to be oversaturated...... now that doesnt mean you might not prefer over saturated screens, what ever rocks your boat... doesnt change the fact that the screens are still over saturated.

The only area where amoled screens beat LCD's are ability to show black on the screen, but that is the only reason.

Also as a side note, this is the nexus 4 forum, do you might think that people who prefer amoled screens didnt buy this device, since you know, its not an amoled forum, here's a tip why dont next time, you go to the iphone forum and say how much better android is, then go to a Man Utd forum, and go on and say how much better in you and your wifes opinion how much better Man city are etc etc
[Nexus 4 General] StNickZA:
You have missed the point completely. Everyone here already knows the strengths and weaknesses of the two technologies, and I don't think a single poster (including myself) would try to argue that on-paper, LCD isn't better than AMOLED. The problem is that people like you seem to be incapable of forming a single opinion on their own, and the forums for tons of devices are filled with mis-informed AMOLED-sledging. I am not stating anything as fact; I am giving you my opinion, and that of my wife to illustrate that just because the SPECS say it should be better on paper, doesn't always translate to the real-world.

Haha, really? So anyone that has anything negative to say about the Nexus 4 should not post in the Nexus 4 forum? Thanks for the "tip" all the same, but you can keep it.
[Nexus 4 General] gagdude:
Dude...everyone who posted something negative about the Nexus 4 here was flamed by everyone else... you actually might want to listen to that advice. Not saying it's right for that to happen, but I guess the xda community is just really defensive of the N4
[Nexus 4 General] ArthurClark241:
I do think that the IPS display on the Nexus 4is better than AMOLED in two respects

1) Lack of colour banding

2) Readability in direct sunlight.

My two cents worth.
[Nexus 4 General] StNickZA:
I'm not interested in posting here to make friends or earn "thanks"; I expected to be flamed, just as everyone else that dared to speak out was. But I'm still going to voice my opinion when I feel it needs to be voiced, and I advise everyone else to do the same. Otherwise, what are you even doing here? If you're only reading these forums in an attempt to validate your purchase and feel good about yourself, then you're in for a rude awakening.

And besides, mintvilla has twisted my words into something else completely. Saying that I like AMOLED displays should not be interpreted as something negative against the Nexus 4. As I said originally, despite how I feel about AMOLEDs, I've still purchased a Nexus 4. That in itself should be proof-enough that I think its a great device.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Amoled's also have better contrast. Even though LCD is overall a better tech for a mobile phone I am eager to see what a nice calibrated, or even close to calibrated, where power management isn't a concern at all on a television.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] mintvilla:
No you didnt understand, i have an opinion, i really like amoled screens, and if someone could offer me an amoled that wasnt pentile and had a brightness of 400+nits i would have that over an LCD, however there is no such device capable, amoled's at this moment in time, can not compete with LCD's, they loose out in a ton of areas that have already been proven.

And yes you need to realise that this is the nexus 4 section, people on here are naturally going to defend things about the nexus 4, since they picked this phone for a reason, generally because they pretty much liked it. Likewise if you hated Amoled screens, one shouldnt be going to the Note/GS3 forums to say ugly amoled screens are, its just common sense (seems to be in limited supply these days)
[Nexus 4 General] Pluto:
I compared my One X with two of my friends' phones namely a Galaxy Nexus and a Galaxy SIII. My phone got the nod. *shrug*

In the end of the day, you can't really say which display is better. People don't all have the same type of eyes therefore some will prefer LCD and some will prefer OLED displays. I owned a Samsung Wave in the past and it had a beautiful display (same as your Galaxy S). But for me my One X blows it out of the water. Why? Because I don't care about how black is my blacks, I care about other aspects, maybe whites, blues and yellows, maybe I like my colors warmer and less-saturated (regardless of it being natural or not).. I won't lash at you for preferring OLED (you care about blacks!! what a sucka!! you really think oled is better than LCDs!!!!). at the end of the day I see no point of comparing displays to determine which one is better, its like comparing two music genres, we're different people so we're bound to like different things.

Sent from my Paranoid Android.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
I think you haven't been to Samsung parts of XDA.

Samsung fans troll in every forum. We had a ton in Xperia S forum, too, basically droning AMOLEDs are better than Son'ys S-LCDs, yes, those same thing bla bla bla....
[Nexus 4 General] Kookas:
I wonder, could you combine AMOLED and LCD? Instead of an LED backlight, have a layer of white AMOLEDs beneath an LCD screen. You get true blacks, absolutely no light bleed, and more realistic colours, plus burn-in would be less noticeable than an AMOLED. If only white OLEDs were more efficient.

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[Nexus 4 General] swordstrength:
I don't miss the blacks because they are definitely sufficient for me on the N4. They look more black than any other IPS display I have seen on a device. This is after having used the Galaxy Nexus and Note for a very long time. I had screen burn-in on both, and the pentile display was like looking through a screen door. I am very please with the brilliant display on my Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I had a super amoled screen for well over a year and I think the nex 4 screen looks far better. I could never go back to a screen like that after owning an ISP screen.

I think the blacks look amazing as do the whites. I really do not agree with the premise of this thread title at all. I do not miss the Black's or any other color from my previous amoled screen..

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[Nexus 4 General] EvoYas:
So many of these threads about this and that lacking or missing. What do you people expect really from a 300 dollar phone? If you want the most you can get, than buy a 700 dollar device or be happy with what you got with the money you paid.

And i'm talking off contracts.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Look at the app drawer - its deep black.

Settings are supposed to be grey toned.
[Nexus 4 General] Shaizer:
Err it's not a 300 dollar phone, if it wasn't subsidized by Google then you would be paying around $600 is my guess, the european price in play deprived countries is 600 euros ~ $780.

Lets not bring folly talk in this discussion, for those complaining of screen burn on the amoled, I used my note for one year (from release day) and with my moderate usage I never suffered for screen burn - then again we hardly get any sunshine here.
[Nexus 4 General] AshtonTS:
Google doesn't subsidize anything. They just sell it at cost. The average $600 phone only costs ~$200 to make...

The difference is google is a software company, so they don't need to make money on the hardware. Obviously they can't take a loss, so they have it so cheap. Samsung, apple, htc, etc charge so much more for their phones because they are selling the hardware, not the software.
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Note 2 is non pentile and 460 nits
[Nexus 4 General] superdx:
Every Samsung device I've had with AMOLED I've not been happy with. Everything just looks weird and the colours are over saturated. Despite all the hardware flaws, the Galaxy Nexus has been my favorite phone, which says a lot about the software and nothing about the hardware.

Hopefully my N4 will be here this week. I will not be missing the AMOLED display. I don't care if it's true black or not, there are thousands of other colours in the visible light spectrum and just having one colour done well is not compensation for everything else looking crappy.
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
have you ever owned a amoled? just compare ips and amoled side by side and youll know what were talking about
[Nexus 4 General] snowmanwithahat:
I'm coming from a Nexus S... I know I'm going to miss it. But the bump in resolution and overall quality will definitely make it worth it.
[Nexus 4 General] SlasheI2:
When I use my phone my screen is on, not off. I prefer to look at accurate colors rather blacks which look good enough for me. My galaxy s2 amoled screen was never bright enough and neither is my friend's s3 so I can't see either in daylight without squinting. The nexus 4 scree is much brighter and produces much better colors plus it doesn't have the HORRIBLE banding issues of dark grey images. I really hate the issues amoled screens tend to have.

I guess if you never leave your house and just stay home all day then an amoled screen is perfect for you.

Me? I like to see the screen in full detail when I go outside.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
I don't think a lot of people realize deeper blacks help your contrast big time. Aside from that food for thought, the n4 has pretty damn good blacks for an LCD. Awesome screen.

One thing I am having trouble with though is my gnex was easier to see in sunlight. I just changed screen protectors last night so hopefully that was the x factor. It is obvious this screen gets way brighter than my gnex but I hardly had problems in almost direct sun.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] Exodian:
I see the exact opposite. Coming from a gnex to n4 one of the first things I noticed was the n4 screen. I could see it outside. My gnex not so much.
[Nexus 4 General] ScottyNuttz:
You mean there are things about a $600 phone that are better than things about a $300 phone?? What I find surprising is that there are things about this $300 phone that are better than the $600 phone.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
LG has been making very good quality IPS displays just as long as Samsung has been making AMOLED. Its a bit telling though that a majority of people that are used to a nice IPS display will hate about every aspect of an AMOLED. Meanwhile an AMOLED user going to IPS can only complain about the blacks. Why is this? Because overall a good IPS display will always display truer, richer colors. Amazing though people really get caught up on the blacks. Really its black enough. Not satisfied? Go for oversaturation, washed out colors, and AMAZING blacks on a Samsung device
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Samsung is to blame for that. I would venture they laid it heavy on the saturation to prop up amoled much like businesses put TV's on vivid/bright/dynamic mode in the showroom to make X brand TV stand out. Then people bring their TV home and wonder why their TV isn't as "vibrant" as the TV in the showroom. Lots of disinformation out there in the display world still. I do miss the blacks of amoled but this IPS screen is far better overall. Many people are comparing this screen to low quality lcd's which it is not and makes amoled look like a bad vivid dream.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
Good point. It's difficult to take an individual seriously when they say a N4 display is low quality. They never held one in their hands.
[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
i do like the contrast of AMOLEDS and amoleds can look just as good as IPS colour wise its just how samsung has tweaked them and made the colour popping a feature. in CM you can set the colours to 'natural' and its just like an IPS only with richer blacks.

the nexus 4 screen however is still very very good and doesn't make me regret switching to it at all.
[Nexus 4 General] SchmilK:
I had a GS3 for 3 days. The annoyingly out of sync colors and 'fake vibrance' was extremely annoying coming from a color corrected world.

I tried some of the color settings changes in CM but still looking at an HD color chart, the colors were all too neon looking.

Ordered a Nexus 4 last week, can't wait to see how it looks in person.
[Nexus 4 General] Pluto:
Come to think about it, I think my favorite AMOLED screen was the Galaxy Nexus', is it because its not tweaked much by Samsung? Most likely.

Sent from my Paranoid Android.
[Nexus 4 General] gadgetluva:
I compared my Galaxy Nexus screen to my Nexus 4 screen and was absolutely disgusted by the Galaxy Nexus SAMOLED panel. Yes, the blacks are better, but that's pretty much the only advantage. The GNex screen has a sickly blue-green hue, is extremely grainy and grey whites, and that burn in...I can even see the keyboard LETTERS on a white/light colored screen.
[Nexus 4 General] JohnnyL53:
It's a phone not an HDTV. Who really gives an F*** if they are slightly lighter?

---------- Post added at 11:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:19 AM ----------

Well, you know if you spent a lot of time in completely dark rooms looking at the screen like the OP does then your not getting the black black black of an amoled screen would begin to bother you.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Pfft.

I've owned 2 amoled displays, and can safely say LCD is such a better display.

As for blacks, the Nexus 4 produces very deep blacks - just look at the app drawer.

Show me the nexus 4 app drawer vs an amoled settings menu side by side..... I'd love to see.
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
Whites also help contrast ratio.

In general, and if all things were equal, you would be correct in what you were saying about deeper blacks of an AMOLED. Things aren't equal though. AMOLEDs have better blacks than LCD displays, but LCDs tend to have much better whites, and can get much brighter than an AMOLED.

Case in point, if you look at comparisons of the Nexus 4 screen on CNET, it actually has a higher contrast ratio than the GS3, because although the blacks are deeper on the GS3, the whites are much, much whiter on the Nexus 4.

You can have the blackest blacks around, but if the best shade of white you can muster is a dark shade of gray, then your contrast ratio is still going to be pretty damn low. Not saying that the best that an AMOLED can do is a dark shade of gray for whites, I'm just using an extreme example for illustration.
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
I agree with many of your points. I was immediately disappointed by the N4 screen. Just my opinion. I don't consider it horrible like dull HTC screens by any means, but it still has pretty minimal color pop and the blacks are meh.The whites are greyish.

The Lumia 920 LCD is not AMOLED and still has AMAZING colors and blacks compared to the N4, and smokes it in brightness. It didn't take me long to get over the super saturated AMOLED when I went to the 920 because it is still an amazing screen but a better compromise of accurate/beautiful.

That said I still think the N4 screen is really nice, definitely worlds better than any HTC Screen I have used/seen, but I personally would take the Lumia 920 LCD or even an AMOLED Samsung screen over it any day if we are strictly talking screens. To each their own.
[Nexus 4 General] Nexus-Revolution:
Lol what?

You do understand that 100% black is physically impossible for LCD panels?

According to anandtechs review of the Nexus 4, the Nexus 4 has the deepest blacks out of every non-AMOLED device:

anandtech.[com]/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/6

I don't understand how LG could have possibly done any better.
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
I did miss the amoled screen until I messed with the gamma values and viewed a high definition image on this phone. The detail and clarity is really impressive
[Nexus 4 General] cbutters:
If you like blacks, then sure, an amoled screen is your friend..

Personally however, I wouldn't prefer an amoled on my nexus...

in fact I have been waiting forever for this phone because i finally have a 720p+ screen on T-mobile that is not pentile!

AMOLED Pros

deep blacks

IPS Pros

Standard RGB subpixels = clear images

not nearly as susceptible to screen burn in as amoled

bright (visible in sunlight)

some of the reason that they overdrive the colors on amoled is because amoled doesn't have a lot of longevity, and the super saturated colors at the beginning of a device's life begins to fade bringing it back into more natural levels as the device wears out.. hardly ideal here... but WOW SHINY! THE COLORS POP ZOMG!!! what are we? monkeys?

I prefer super clarity and accurate true to life colors and this is exactly what the nexus's screen delivers... I love it.
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
lol!
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Deeper blacks account for more contrast ratio than whites do. Lcd's can get much brighter and much darker(cuz of backlight of course), but not blacker. And the brightness accounts for why it is better in sunlight. And the n4 does better than samoled because Samsung uses a ****ty ass gamma scale and they limit the whites because of power consumption. Samsung needs to use the gamma scales they use on their plasmas and LCD TVs. Samsung is known for their color accuracy on big screens. I don't know why they don't do the same for mobile phones. It really is a head scratcher. Also, amoled in its current state can get blacker but why is it you hardly hear of the knuckleheads praising deep blacks on samoled, but you don't hear them complaining about the how bad amoled crushes blacks. All you see are black blobs in YouTube and movies. It is terrible. I mean bad. I've already given the n4 a nice little teat run and it does pretty well with detail in black areas and could do a little better in the whites, but it is still far superior to Samoled in its current state, and probably in then longevity department also.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] jnewman1991:
The blacks are the only thing I miss from my S3.
[Nexus 4 General] godman_8:
I hated AMOLED screens! I mean yes I liked the black but I could never get used to the incorrect coloring.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Can anyone honestly say the app drawer doesn't show a very deep black on the nexus 4?

The black in the app drawer shows its still impressive!
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Impressive for LCD. Impressed compared to plasma or amoled? No. Overall though, this IPS screen is pretty impressive. Really like it, and that was one my big concerns. I had low expectations for this phone overall also.

I voided my warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] rodmc123:
i dont know since when "accurate colors" are so important on a mobile phone display!!!.. it seems everyone now is a profesional photographer or a graphical designer, most of you guys if shown 2 screens without telling which one is better calibrated or it is closer to the adobe rgb norm, probably would not be able to peek for yourselves the accurate one.. all this "accurate color" thing it is just an exageration of reviewers on the internet, who also doesnt know much what they are talking about , they just heard or read somewhere that IPS its known for its accurate colors so they just repeat that "colors here looks sooooo much better"..

at the end of the day, Amoled screens are far more impressive in mobile devices, even with its cons.. IPS screen can also be very impressive like the iphone 5 screen or the htc one X screen... but the screen on the nexus 4 is far from being in the "high quality" category, it has an awful yellowish tint in most cases and the colors doesnt look much more accurate for the "average eye" than an amoled display.
[Nexus 4 General] evohog:
Uuummm, im done.
[Nexus 4 General] nomadism:
Do I miss the black? Yes

Do I miss AMOLED? No. Over saturated colors, burn-in headaches, pentile dots and etc.

I'm way happier with my N4's LCD than any AMOLED.
[Nexus 4 General] gagdude:
Um accurate colors...? I look at the sky. I look at AMOLED. I look at LCD. Which looks more like the sky I saw directly? We don't need reviewers to see this for ourselves.

Your comment about yellowish tint is very hypocritical. "I don't listen to reviews who have no idea what they're saying about natural colors, but I do listen to them talk about yellowish tint"
[Nexus 4 General] rodmc123:
i saw the yellowish tint by myself, and also in other threads there are pictures of nexus 4 owners that shows that..

to make a decent comparison of how much more accurate lcd ips screens are compared to amoled you would need a perfectly calibrated profesional monitor with some pictures and then compare them with a few LCD and Amoles devices.

anyway, my post was to point out that most people cant even detect accurate colors by themselves, but here they talk like they will get eye cancer if they dont look a screen that match perfectly the adobe RGB norm or any other.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
accurate colors are less important on a mobile display because they're more of a device to get the job done in a format that can fit in your hand or pocket. we don't get accurate colors as much as we should because the consumer doesn't demand it more. and if you show two screens side by side, any type, any format, any size and different tech, generally most consumers would pick the more oversaturated one. again i repeat, this is what you'll see in a tv showroom to catch your attention. and i am sure this is why samsung has done it with amoled to get more people's attention. but in the longrun they have done samsung, all other tv manufacturers and the consumer a disservice because it was a step backwards instead of moving in the right direction, quality and accuracy. samsung has no equal to your mainstream HD tv displays when it comes to color accuracy and gamma. lg makes a quality lcd/led television and samsung and lg are the brand to shop for when looking for a high quality lcd display. samsung has made a big come up the last couple of years with plasmas, catching up with panasonic in blacks and black details. the OLED is still up for grabs and if samsung brings that LSD trip to your local tv retailer they will be laughed out of the market. but no, amoled is not far more impressive in a mobile device. it is a new tech that needs a few heads to turn and grab a lot of people's attention. it is also a way to get amoled's foot in the door and develop the technology as it still prohibitively expensive to make a display, moreso with a bigger in your living room version. and even with it's cons, power consumption is very good reason to stay away from it in a mobile device. i am not saying i want it to go away at all. what i am saying using your irrationale, hell we should have plasmas in our mobile devices even with it's cons. heck the only con would be power consumption because plasma is superior to lcd and oled in their current states.

give me a vanilla android phone made by nokia or motorola with pioneer's elite plasma technology and a 12v car battery and i would probably consider it. dolly better be included.
[Nexus 4 General] gagdude:
Likewise, I saw the natural colors myself (hence the word natural. More like nature, not some comparison with ANOTHER screen).

And I don't quite think more natural colors is the only thing lcd has an advantage over