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[Nexus 4 General] morejaylesswar:
Someone on the first page (can't remember their name after 10 pages of reading, sorry) said that they would prefer the headphone jack to be at the bottom. That was another complaint that I heard from a YouTube review. Why is that? I've always felt that the top was the proper place. Most of my devices have the headphone jack located at the top. It's intriguing to see that a number of people like the jack at the bottom.... But why?
[Nexus 4 General] Yarox:
The only thing I'd improve on this phone is the camera. It just doesn't come close to that of my old Galaxy S II.

You could argue that the phone is intended as a budget device, but a lot of people, myself included, bought it for significantly more than the prices offered at Google Play, either because there was no stock, or in my case, because I live in an unsupported region.
[Nexus 4 General] coolqf:
I actually 800usd for it.....
[Nexus 4 General] Yarox:
450.00 EUR (just around $600) was the price I paid, albeit with a local 2-year warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Paying more than list was your choice... What does it have to do with the actual retail price of the device? You can't hold that against it.

The Optimus G has the same crappy camera (even the 13MP option doesn't seem any better, no surprise as its the same pixel pitch and sensor tech) at near double the unsubsidised cost.

All mobile camears are crap. Some are less crap than others (Nokia 808 anybody?) But in fact, all cameras with a sensor smaller that your little fingernail are crap, and big companies like Canon, Nikon and Sony can charge you just as much for one of those as you pay for a whole phone.

If you want a camera, buy a camera.

If you insist on having something that fits in a pocket, the closest thing that is actually worth using are cameras like these, these or these.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
I dropped the Galaxy Nexus at least a dozen times (one time down a flight of stairs) in a thin TPU case and it looked like new when I sold it. It just bounced.

I dropped my HD2 at least as much with a similar TPU case, and it still looked like new.

I doubt my Nexus 4 would have lasted the same.

Samsung has great durability but poor feel. HTC masters both feel and durability but they are way behind on carrier agreements and developer-friendliness.

The Nexus 4 is the most brittle and easily breakable Nexus yet.
[Nexus 4 General] Yarox:
The retail price of the phone is under-inflated. A phone of this caliber does not sell for as much as it is being and can hence be compared to phones of a higher pricing. About the camera though - for the use I had (which was minimal), the quality difference between the two is evident. I would supply photos of both but I lost my entire SD card just a few days ago. I feel that the S2 produced significantly less grainy pictures though, which was a huge plus for photoing textbooks/notes.
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
I'm sure mobile phones (and compact cameras) are good enough for most people's needs... But choosing between crap and slightly less crap doesn't seem like much of a choice to me. The HOX had probably the best camera I've yet experienced firsthand on a phone, and yes, it was markedly better than my Nexus 4 but I never took any photos I'd call a 'keeper' with it. I probably take more photos with my Alpha 55 or Nex-5N each and every time I get them out than I took in a whole year using my One X...
[Nexus 4 General] Yarox:
I beg to differ. Slightly less crap wins significantly over crap in this case. Here is something I managed to dig up that was taken with my S2 and is perfectly acceptable for my standards. I can not get this level of quality with a N4.
[Nexus 4 General] pakure:
If you got the money. ..note 2 is the best phone in the market now. .. amazing powerhouse with the battery. ..nice touches by Samsung to Android. ..simple things like the smart stay are genius. ..the rumored features like eye tracking and hover selection coming to s4 are worth looking at.

Samsung is getting little better with regular updates now. ..I also hated touch wiz before ..but on the note 2...it is surprisingly good. ..if you want vanilla Android. .you can always try aokp or cm...

But for the price in the play store. ..getting the nexus 4 is a no brainer....I live in India. ..getting it from the US play store was tough but I got it in the first lot even when I have the note 2....I have gifted the nexus 4 to my brother...I keep trying new things every weekend on it. ..

Now I am getting a second nexus 4 to gift my wife. ..it's in transit to India already. .:p:D

Nexus4 is a good device and more than worth what you are paying. ..but guys don't just think it's the best out there. ..the note 2 is it.

scribbled from "the phab" (the note 2 -N7100)
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
When Samsung stop making hardware that self destructs and then releasing hackish patches to work around the hardware bugs, drop me a Note and I'll buy some. lol.

eMMC bug today, Sudden Death tomorrow.... Still, at least the Note 2 isn't fugly like the S3. I was worried they'd lost it because the S2 is actually quite an attractive device.

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Better than an N4, for sure... But I wouldn't want to bother printing anything that looked like that past about 6x4". And that's in really good light and a shot that's not too contrasty, at base sensitivity. Take it indoors or photograph something with bright highlights and deep shadows and see what happens. One okay shot does not an adequate camera make. I've spent the last 4 years of my life printing crappy mobile phone photos on a quarter of a million pound minilab. Trust me. Mobile phone cams are fine for web snaps, fine for getting an idea of what something looks like, but they are not a creative tool. Unless you love Instagram.

Edit: Anyway, sorry if I came across as argumentative... That's not what I intended. I've just never been impressed by a mobile camera, however good somebody claims it is...
[Nexus 4 General] AK4TAY7BEN:
LOL the only craigslist listing in my area. Nice try, nice try... and yea I know there is a hack that allows the OG to basically become a nexus 4 but c'mon

http://yubasutter.craigslist.org/mob/3574563185.html

was planning to get the N4 on the play store anyway
[Nexus 4 General] dj_aj:
Seeking sincere upgrade advice

So I've been driving myself crazy watching reviews of recently launched Android phones and also been keeping up with any new leaks on upcoming phones.

I wanted to know if the Nexus 4 is worth upgrading to from a Samsung Galaxy S2. I'm currently using the official Jelly Bean firmware on it and it's still a very strong device. The only thing I feel like I'm missing from this is LTE and NFC.

Here's my dilemma:

I like the Samsung Galaxy S3. However, since it's available on every carrier...pretty much every teen in sight has it and that is something I'd like to avoid.

I definitely think the LG Optimus G is a serious contender against the Nexus 4, a couple issues here are that it will never get updates on time and the fact that it is more expensive than the Nexus 4.

Things that I think are lacking in the Nexus 4: microSD, official LTE support and that it doesn't have a 1080p screen.

Do you think I should wait another few months to upgrade or are there other Android devices currently out that I'm overlooking?

All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
Don't let anyone try and convince you to buy a particular handset. You need to put it down to your needs. If you feel a particular handset has things you don't find desirable, don't get it. If you do it may end up biting your butt in the future.

I think it's dumb to avoid a handset because it's popular though - just my opinion. I bought the Nexus 4 for the user development scene, not to be special. I almost purchased a Galaxy S III, but didn't when I learned that the international LTE model (the one that can be purchased in Australia for cheap from places like Kogan) has poor development, and the maximum HSPA+ speeds on the regular GSIII are quite low.
[Nexus 4 General] Davith:
I have both the Galaxy S2 and the Nexus 4 and unless you really want for something new, an upgrade is not necessarily needed.

Don't get me wrong, the N4 is FASTER, no doubt about that. I have not managed to get it to lag yet. It's almost iPhone smooth.

But then the SGS2 was a very good performer as well running CyanogenMod 10.1. Not quite as fast as the N4 but it doesn't put it to shame either. It's still a phone that's supported by Samsung as well.

In all honesty, I wouldn't have made the switch unless I didn't have to give the S2 to my girlfriend. She was running a Milestone 2 with Froyo.

Still, I love the N4 but I'm also very interested by the Xperia Z. I might actually sell the N4 to get it.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
My last phone was an s3. Nice phone but myself I prefer the cleaner user experience of the nexus 4. TouchWiz is ugly as all sin.
[Nexus 4 General] asphaltsally:
I just got my N4 and still have my GNex. Overall I like the N4 better. It's faster and feels more solidly built. That said, I will miss some things about the GNex: it's the deeper blacks and richer colors on the screen, plus the butt-friendly curve. I kept it in my back pocket all the time. I'm a girl and don't wear baggy pants. Also I have dropped the GNex numerous times with no ill effects. Don't know if the N4 will be so unbreakable. Anyway, like I said, N4 is nicer overall, imho.
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
CM10.1-vsync patched w/Siyahkernel on my partner's S2 feels just as fast as my N4 in terms of UI transitions and scrolling. Then, the N4 is driving a display with 2.5x the pixels. Why would anybody use touchwiz?!
[Nexus 4 General] cipsaz:
I also came from the GS2. The N4 gives a totally different experience. It's the phone I always wanted to have. Clean, butter smooth, and indeed a slick looking device. Gave the GS2 to my dad. No more carrier's phones.
[Nexus 4 General] tamshiwen:
came from a motorola defy running froyo to n4. Can't really compare the two since they are night and day, but I thought I was pretty sure I knew what I was getting into when getting the defy. It was a mid level phone, but gingerbread was already 6 months old when I got it. Can't tell you how much it sucks being locked down and unable to update the os for better performance or get rid of bloatware. When I finally put cm10 on the defy, it was a revelation just how bad motoblur was. I could finally use the phone without issues... before just opening gmaps would lock up the phone 80% of the time. Don't ever want to get another phone that's locked down with slow or no updates.
[Nexus 4 General] DjWindzOne:
New to the forums. . .please be nice. . .or keep the sarcasm to a medium!

I came from aTMo G2/Desire-Z. . .I know it's leaps and bounds from what I had before as far as performance, but the fact the N4 is a vanilla Android interface (No TouchWiz or anything equivalent of the sort) is the whole reason I got the N4. I played around with the S3, but I was fairly unimpressed with the interface. The N4 was a bit heavier as far as weight is concerned, but not by much. Looks wise, I prefer the subdue look of the Nexus (although I'm waiting for a delivery for the Tuff case I saw in another post in the accessories forums). Fits the build of the Nexus look, so that was a major plus. As someone said, "iPhone smooth". Google has a definite winner on their hands with this phone IMHO.

No LTE support is not a big deal, as I mentioned I'm on Tmo, but it's faster than my lot of my friends S3 on the same network. Ran the speed tests side by side against a couple of S3 / S2, Thunderbolt on Verizon, and iPhone 5 on at&t and Verizon.. They all got beat real easy. . .iPhone on Verizon was real close, but the N4 was a definite winner.

But the fact that the same day I purchased it, there was an update for the new JellyBean within the hour I set-up the phone put the phone as my winner in my book.

Hope my $.02 helped. . . .
[Nexus 4 General] shadrage:
So... you're a hipster? Or something? Why does that matter? I'm confused by why the popularity should have any bearing on a good phone.

Having said that... I despise the SGS3 every time I help someone I know with it because TouchWiz replaces a lot stock functionality for ****tier versions of it (and some things work like they did in Gingerbread... the hell, Samsung, the hell?)

And on a more personal usage level, I despise having the physical buttons when the soft ones are so much better in IMO.

<3 Nexus 4, 7, 10
[Nexus 4 General] RayLancer:
I'm going to be getting one hopefully soon once I get out of my Sprint contract. I love the look of the phone and the specs. My only concern is on durability, after all the comments on the glasses used on the N4 and Optimus G.
[Nexus 4 General] gio_punsalan:
So here's the thing, I love my Nexus 4. I believe that its the best phone out there. So we classmates goofed around and tried to have a speed battle between the HTC One X+, the Samsung Galaxy S3 and my Nexus 4. Since I believe that the Nexus 4 has the greatest specs of all the three, I was just wondering when we tried to compare our phones launching specific apps like the messaging, temple run, subway surfer, I always end up last. I am just wondering how can that be when I believe the S4 pro ****s on the tegra 3 and the exynos and I have 2 gb ram? Isnt it supposed to be the other way around, in which my apps will launch faster?

Im just wondering, please be gentle with the explanations lol. Im running PA 3+ and Franco if that makes a difference.
[Nexus 4 General] D4rk50ul:
Too many variables. Could be cached on their devices, etc. You could have more background processes going, who knows. I bet if you were on stock you would smoke them :D

Either way who cares right in six months or less there will be something faster, just buy the device you are happy with and don't torture yourself with milliseconds.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
I agree, when I was on stock 4.2.1 with unlocked bootloader and rooted the Nexus 4 had the fastest UI response of any phone I've used except the iPhone 5. The Note 2 is comparable with Nova Launcher or AOSP, but I can't deny that stock vs. stock the Nexus 4 has an advantage in responsiveness.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
What's wrong? E-peen feeling a bit small? Really all three processors mentioned are very good, hard to tell them apart in real world use.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
And exynos octa will be better again than s4 pro same cycle continues

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[Nexus 4 General] dinesh690:
Exynos octa is a quad core with 4 standby cores. Much like the tegra 3 which is quad core with one core as a standby core to be used for small processes which consumes less battery. It doesn't actually have the raw power of 8 cores, only 4. People just fall for the advertising without researching.

Quad core is all anyone needs, and is going to get apparently.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
It can use all 8 cores if necessary ,it is not same as tegra 4+1 but uses arm's big.LITTLE

From here: http://www.arm.com/files/downloads/big.LITTLE_Final.pdf

Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7 is fully coherent through CCI-400 another logical use-model is to allow both Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A7 to be powered on and simultaneously executing code. This is termed big.LITTLE MP, which is essentially Heterogeneous MultiProcessing.

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[Nexus 4 General] pakure:
but when firing on full cylinders, it is A15 quadcore, (the other quad is A7..battery friendly) which smokes out the competetion....also there is a variant big.little MP version of the chip which can run all 8 cores...

for comparision, look what dual core A 15 chip on the nexus 10 can do....think what would a quad A15 be like?

........let the chip be out and if devs can get some exynos documentations for the new chip ...there could be kernels out which can be tweaked to craziness:D
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
Right if they program that way it can use all 8 cores

Even if it uses only 4 cores then those 4 A15 cores are enough to outperform s4 pro or anything currently present in the market currently

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[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Only synthetic benchmarks show the difference between quads and duals at the moment anyway, so a fast dual is probably the way to go if you want to build a device that runs Android 4.x at its best. Perhaps that will change with Android 5.x, although it's not just Google but the app developers who need to put the effort in to take advantage of more hardware threads.

Having said that, my real concern with A15 is the fact that the N10's battery life appears to be worse than the N7 despite the much larger battery. I know that's attributable to some extent to the resources required to drive such a high res screen, and the backlight for a physically larger screen (also more pixel-dense screens tend to require brighter backlights for the same effect) but nonetheless I think A15 may be too 'complex' a core design for small devices at 28nm, whereas Krait appears to be giving very good battery life (N4 practically matches N7 with the right combination of kernel/ROM.) A15 has been licensable from ARM for quite a while, yet Exynos5 is the only SoC in a device that's actually on the market to use it, seems a bit suspicious - usually the manufacturers are head over heels trying to get new tech to market as quickly as possible.

Edit: Forgot to drop this link in for anybody who haven't read Anand's take on the situation. Needless to say, 8W is simply not feasible in a smartphone and probably not much good in a 7" tablet either. And that's only a dual (not that you need a quad A15!) TDP throttling is going to become more and more of an issue for handheld devices if we keep going in this direction, and we definitely haven't seen the worst of it with S4 Pro in the Nexus 4. Although A15 will likely become more feasible once somebody has a 28nm process implementation on the market.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Just how heavily-threaded is ARM computing anyway?

I know the Nexus 10 outperforms pretty much every quad-A9 tablet out there despite have only 2 A15 cores.

What's going to happen when ARM A5X-cores are in production? I wouldn't be surprised if a 2-core A50 implementation absolutely demolished a 8-core big.LITTLE MP implementation.

Does anyone have any good reads for how the ARM computing environment differs from the standard x86 environment? I know for instance that in the x86 environment a dual-core 3rd-generation Intel Core i3 processor will outperform an eight-core AMD FX Bulldozer processor in most tasks. Performance of the Nexus 10 vs. quad-core A9 competition leads me to believe that IPC is also king in ARM.

Looks like if big.LITTLE really takes off I'll be skipping a generation.

Shouldn't smaller lithography be more energy-efficient? A good test would be testing the Nexus 10 at different loads with the screen on and observing battery consumption. My idea was that the screen was the killer.
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Anand compares the power consumption and performance of Atom, Tegra and Exy5 in the article I linked. It's not a perfect comparison (two different OSes for one thing) but its likely to be the best you'll find at the moment anyway. I don't know that a dual A15 would necessarily outperform a quad A9 at the same clock in every task with a properly multithreaded app (which is not something you'll find on Android!), but outside of running Linux on the test platforms and running some well known scientific benchmarks with optimally compiled code (I don't think it's fair to assume that GCC is generating optimal binaries for ARM architectures in comparison to X86 anyway...) So it's very difficult to say.

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I thought Exynos 5 was 32nm? We haven't yet seen a retail device with a 28nm implementation of A15, so who knows? I'm sure it'll help, but I'm not sure how much!
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Sorry, I misinterpreted the quoted excerpt -- I think the die-shrinks will be fine if desktop architecture getting down to 22nm is any indication. If anything mobile has the more to gain from smaller lithography than other industries.
[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
Finally got my Nexus few days ago.....Good phone, great screen, great design, nice LED notifications (better then Gnex), loud speaker, comfortable to hold.....but I have to give Gnex some credit....its less fragile and curved class looks much better then plain on N4
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
So you think currently it is the best currently? LOL
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
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Show me another device that can do this. It's my favourite feature!
[Nexus 4 General] sk8oldschool74:
That's what happens when you mix cocaine w/ your phone...:p:p:p

(Galatians 1:3-5)

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I hope they come out w/ a carbon fiber after market replacement back... ;):)

I agree on the curved class as well I miss that too...:(

(Galatians 1:3-5)
[Nexus 4 General] davwman:
Telephone telekinesis
[Nexus 4 General] sk8oldschool74:
Great avatar... Lol...;):)

(Galatians 1:3-5)
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Hehe, if I could afford coke, it's definitely not what I'd be spending my money on (I prefer my drugs grown and unprocessed, if you know what I mean ;))

Just my crappy old desk which appears to be made of chipboard covered with a rapidly disintegrating faux-wood paper coating. :(
[Nexus 4 General] Hooliganism:
This is my first post on this site and my only reason for doing this is hoping somebody searching on Google will find it.

i was on the fence about getting the nexus 4 and after having it for a week I must say its been delightful. the on screen buttons worried me at first but they aren't as intrusive as i thought they would be. The screen is absolutely beautiful and the phone itself is fast and smooth. The sparkly design on the back is nowhere near as noticeable as most review pictures suggest, you barely even notice it, but when you do it appears very tasteful. The all glass design had me worried as well but its not very fragile (I havent dropped it though *knock on wood*) and I'm not sure about scratches as I left the plastic on the phone that came with it - free screen protector as far as im concerned and i have the bumper. I have used it side by side with the s3 and this just feels better in your hand and feels like a quality device. A really nice touch is how the screen slopes slightly on the sides making swiping much more comfortable (but if you have a case/bumper you really wont benefit from this). There are so many great things about this phone and even the fact that it has no micro sd doesnt bother me. overall I am very pleased with this phone and if you are on the fence I definitely recommend going for it.

Thats just my .02
[Nexus 4 General] sk8oldschool74:
I put a body protector on my phone both front and back which took away the slippery Ness from the back and also strengthens the glass... ;) :) something like zagg or invisible screen protector... ;) :)

(Mathew 5:44)
[Nexus 4 General] asphaltsally:
Ditto
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
I don't like my phone being naked... I have a TPU case on the way (to match my Nexus 7), but I ordered it from Hong Kong on the same day I ordered my phone. I thought they'd probably take the same time to arrive as Google quoted 2 weeks for delivery. I forgot it was Chinese New Year and wasn't counting on my phone arriving in a matter of days :laugh: So I ordered another one from the UK, we'll see what gets here first!

Does the iPhone 4/4S have the same slipperiness 'issue'? How about the Optimus G? I can't think of many devices with glass backs...
[Nexus 4 General] raiderpig:
I can't wait to get home so I can start using my N4!
[Nexus 4 General] D4rk50ul:
SGP makes a nice dual screen protector set for the nexus 4 it is awesome. I'm using the dual crystal at the moment.
[Nexus 4 General] Guto ViP:
Me too and with original bumper.