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[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
And what about the whole bootloader unlocking ordeal HTC puts you through wich kills all warranty (according to HTC that is). This is a blatent lie that they never can hold up. Unlocking the bootloader cannot void warranty unless rooting/flashing is the obvious and proven cause for the malfunction. wich evidence HTC has to provide.
[Nexus 4 General] digweed4me:
S4 is huge upgrade let me tell u guys why Octo core ipad4 gpu and lpddr3 ram(iPhone 5 has lpddr2)? The speed difference will be night and day that ram is 50% faster than iPhone 5 ram.
[Nexus 4 General] naveediftikhar:
Not at all..the main diff here will be the os...samsung has bloated their baby soo much that it gets pathetic and the device starts lagging.. Even in these hands on videos rolling around YouTube you can see that you still can't open an option in settings without it's transition lagging like hell, one of the main reasons i gave up s3... besides i wonder why any of these videos don't show the widgets knowing how the widgets lagged in s3 i will be surprised if they had fixed it in s4!
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
The North American S3 lagged because of the dual core processor. The international S3 never had that problem. My Note 2 also never lagged. Ever.
[Nexus 4 General] eiriklf:
Samsung is doing the only reasonable thing with the S IV, and they don't take any big risks and avoid any big changes to their best seller other than bringing it up to speed with the competition. Also they have realized that it is software and features which sells the most phones, not hardware.

They have however taken some risk by including the massive exynos 5 octa, which I didn't think they would do. This is a chip that could potentially outperform the competition by a big margin. However the initial benchmarks have been quite underwhelming, and combining that with the high power consumption figures they showed earlier, it seems likely that they have limited the A15 cores to 1.2 GHz, which brings it much closer to the competition. It will be interesting to see how many countries get the exynos chip, and when they will be released. I assume the first wave of releases will be quallcomm based. The largest norwegian mobile webpage is stating that Norway will get the quallcomm version, so it seems likely that the quallcomm version will be more widespread this time around.
[Nexus 4 General] puremind:
Poll

I opened a poll for users to say which top 3 features they expected most from their next smartphone. This helps understand why devices are favoured over others (which are the factors that count most):

Poll: Top 3 features you are looking for in your next smartphone
[Nexus 4 General] walkingmike:
I used to think that the Note2 screen is nice, but after getting the N4, I can't stand looking at the Note 2 screen anymore. It's so rough and grainy.

And Samsung screens are way too over saturated, like if you're watching disney Channel.

If you got good eyes, the Nexus 4 screen is among the best on any phones and definitely better than any Samsung. It's too bad some people equate brighter screen and stronger color with good quality screen.
[Nexus 4 General] ebhsimon:
The IPS screen on the N4 is actually brighter than the Note 2's AMOLED screen.
[Nexus 4 General] Techguy18:
Exynos Octa & Tegra 4

In the Exynos 5 Octa, the a7 cores perform at upto 1.6ghz... but the a15 are limited to 1.2ghz.. which shows that samsung was really worried about the load consumption of the a15 cores... on full load..

tegra 4 early benchmarks (antutu 36k :fingers-crossed:) was probably running the cortex a15 cores.. all four.. at 1.9ghz... and since it was a tablet.. connected to usb .. they were not worried about the power problem..

I read an expert analysis on the tegra 4.. there they said that all 4 cores.. at 1.9ghz.. full load could consume almost 10W of power..

now calculate:

nexus 4 : 3.8 volt battery with 2.1 Ah (2100mAh). Therefore total capacity is 7.98 = 8Wh.. so this means it can provide 8A for 1 hour or 1 amp continuously for 8 hours...

The review on notebook check pegged the max consumption of the nexus 4 at 6.5W

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Google-Nexus-4-Smartphone.85941.0.html

with full load and high screen brightness and other stuff on...

so it means on FULL LOAD the nexus 4 will extinguish its battery in little over an hour in theory.. if the phone does not throttle and reduce power consumption.. real life.. it will last 2 hours full load

... remember.. that is with the screen and other stuff included...

now..the galaxy s4 battery is 3.8 * 2.6 = 9.88Wh = 10Wh.. so if the tegra 4 alone will consume 10W.. without the screen... the tegra 4 phone will kill itself in

around 40 minutes.. witha screen.. if it has the galaxy s4 battery...

so.. that means that tegra 4 will have to be slowed down.. a lot.. for phones.. tablets might survive.. but the best use of the tegra 4 will be OUYA probably.. it draws power from the wall...

s4 pro on the otherhand is much more for phones

no wonder project shield has a 35Wh battery and needs a heatsink +fan !!!!!!!!!!!
[Nexus 4 General] Williaml232:
What phone should I buy?

I dropped my Nexus 4 on pavement. The glass is completely shattered and it won't even turn on.

I'm wondering if I should get another N4 or go for the Galaxy s4.
[Nexus 4 General] Toss3:
Replacing the broken parts should be cheaper than buying the S4, but the S4 definitely is the better phone.

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Anandtech has it wrong - the A15 max out at 1.6Ghz while the A7 go to 1.2Ghz(don't believe the A7 allows for clockspeeds above 1.2Ghz).
[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
Price Nexus 4 16GB Germany 395 euro`s

Pre-order price Galaxy S4 16GB Netherlands a whopping 699 euro`s.

Just saying we have a good deal on the Nexus 4 without the Sammy bloatware, the S4 is even more expensive than the iPhone 5 16GB.
[Nexus 4 General] eiriklf:
Source?

I think the 10W figure is likely a bit too high, probably based on the nexus 10 power consumption. Samsungs figures for the exynos 5 octa suggests that the CPUs in it would use around 6W at 1.8GHz, and the tegra 4 should be very similar if not better(since they are taking more time to work on it). I agree with your conclusions, though. Your are probably right in your conclusions, though. In phones the tegra 4 will likely have to be slowed down significantly compared to the benchmarks they published, not sure about tablets yet. I would expect the tegra 4 and the exynos 5 octa to be quite similar.
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
I'm holding out till the Tegra 4. With sunspider results as low as 500 to 600ms, that is the fastest on record for a mobile device.

Samsung's processor is efficient, but we don't even know if it is designed to run all 8 cores at the same time. If it doesn't, I'm sure the S4 Pro 600 will compare, if not beat out the Exynos.
[Nexus 4 General] ebhsimon:
I agree. We don't know if the Exynos Octa will/can run all 8 cores simultaneously. If it really is just a quad core A15 for heavy tasks with a quad core A7 for power efficiency, then it sounds like the megapixel race all over again.

The Tegra 4 benchmarks seem out of this world for now, but we'll have to see them after they're implemented in phones before we can say that they blow everything out of the water.

If it comes down to power consumption being the limiting factor on speed for phones, then I hope that it will be the push for more R&D into battery technology.
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
I also find viewing angles much better on the Note 2. I couldn't care less about the PPI. I found the overall screen experience on the N2 was much more satisfying.
[Nexus 4 General] Techguy18:
Yes.. tegra 4 will consume a lot more power.. but even if the a15 cores in the exynos 5 octa are 1.6ghz.. .they have been slowed down due to power constraints...

so a tegra 4 phonw will be slower or will turn out to be a real powerhouse but will die fast under load.....

yea tegra 4 should be slightly faster than the exynos octa.. but that will depend on whether all 8 cores will be on at the same time... and the clockspeeds... the 10W estimation was with the cpu + gpu ...

yea.. 1.6ghz seems too high for cortex a7 .. anandtech posted an update.. they too are not sure... a15 will easily hit 1.6ghz... but then if on for too long.. it might begin to throttle..

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6768/samsung-details-exynos-5-octa-architecture-power-at-isscc-13

the cortex a15 can go upto 1.8ghz..

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/13

the nexus 10 test on anandtech showed that the dual 15 + mall t604 can consume 8W max but is throttled to 4W soon...

that means with 4 a15 cores... the power consumption will be higher... + the consumption of the power vr gpu..
[Nexus 4 General] aeoveu:
What's with the PPI race anyway? I mean - its not as if we have bionic eyes and can distinguish each pixel from the other.

Its just like the megapixel race - it doesn't mean anything, but its the output that matters.

Case in point: the Galaxy Nexus, HTC One X and the LG Nexus have PPIs in the same range - so why is it that the GNexus doesn't seem as sharp?

I don't know what Samsung's trying to achieve on the display front here, but people have realized that AMOLED is good for displaying blacks on a screen. And........that's it. IPS and SLCD have come quite close now.

Oh, and we may have HD screens, but I mean - really? A 5 inch screen to show HS movies? Someone's lost their mind. Its clearer - and I'm all up for it, but these high PPIs should be on tablets which are used for videos and stuff.

My point is - the display should render the content sharp and clear. If it does that, then having a 2000PPI isn't going to make me get wooed. I'm a human being, not a magnifying robot.

End of morning rant (woke up around 11.30am)!
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Because it's pentile.

Put the SGS4 screen under a microscope versus the screens in the Droid DNA or Xperia Z/ZL and the latter set will come out ahead as well.

Whether this would be visible in practice due to the stupendous pixel density is another story.

I found the Galaxy Nexus screen to be punchy and contrasty, but grainy. The Nexus 4 screen had less contrast and punch but was very smooth. The Note 2 has even more contrast and punchiness without the grain, but its PPI drop is just barely perceptible versus the N4.
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
I'm in!!!

http://www.sidhtech.com/news/motorola-x-android-50-key-lime-pie-nexus-5-2/1001083/
[Nexus 4 General] bbgt2:
I was waiting to see what the S4 brought, as I currently have the S3. Not worth the wait and definitely not getting it. Just bought the Nexus 4 which will complete my Nexus family as I will have the 7,10 and now the 4. As much as I love the S3 I needed a Nexus phone. I don't think Sammy will do near as good with sales as they did with the S3 as IMHO they pulled a Apple move ala the 4S. Touchwiz never bothered me as much as some folks here on XDA but to be honest seeming the same touchwiz style in 4 models is very lame Samsung. You could of at least changed the damn font just to make it look z little different. I have had every S from Sammy and I don't think I will be coming back, gimmicks like me waving at my phone to change a page is not going to win me over as I think that is just plain stupid. I think I will be happy with the N4 until the N5 rolls around and key lime lie is almost here and hoping Android gives us somethign real nice.
[Nexus 4 General] Techguy18:
ppi

since the s4 has a pentile screen.. and the ppi is 441, that means the ppi of the green subpixel will be 441..

the red and blue ppi will be 441/2 = 221 ppi.. so there will be a green hint of colour
[Nexus 4 General] pocketbook:
Entirely personal preference because it comes down to what you can tolerate in size. Most people will prefer the size of the Nexus, but there are still many people who simply don't mind a 5.5" screen. Performance is pretty similar across the two, the Note has much better battery life and storage space.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
You sir, are completely delusional. You mean you HOPE that the S4 will be the beginning of the end of samsung, well i have really bad news for you, it's actually going to take it to the next level, apple iphone level ( in terms of sale and popularity). What samsung understand ( and what you fail to understand) is how to get the general consumers interested in a smartphone. All the regular people ( non techie/non xda users) that i see with the S3 are telling me how much they love their S3, and they never complain about the build quality, never. They say that it can do this and that and has a big battery and its fast blah blah blah. Those are the people that samsung is targeting, not fanboys. You have to realize something, simple consumers know 2 things, iphone and galaxys. Most have no clue of HTC One, One x or whatever. They walk in a store and ask for an iphone or a galaxy. When they see that you can hover your finger over the galaxy and it previews things, that there are eye controlled features they like it, its cool and thats what is appealing to them. Samsung knows exactly what to do dude.

Cut samsung market in half he said....
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Well said. Normal people don't even know what a Nexus is. There is nothing wrong with Samsung build quality either. Sure the plastic housing may look a little crappy but it is plenty sturdy enough and at least as durable as anything else on the market. In fact it's noticeably more durable than the Nexus 4 so it seems kind of strange for a Nexus owner to complain about Samsung build quality.

Don't get me wrong either the Nexus 4 is a great phone. Right now I own a Nexus 4, Note 2 and a Galaxy s3. Each has its pros and cons. My own preference is to use the Note as a daily driver. The battery is amazing, the s-pen is very useful, and the 2gb of ram puts it on par performance wise with he nexus. The s3 on the other hand does suffer sometimes due to only 1gb ram. In most cases it's still plenty best enough though.

Yes the Note is huge but in reality it's not much bigger than the Nexus or s3. I got used to it fast. At the moment I think I'll be selling the Nexus. Android is very mature now and I no longer care about having the latest updates rather about having good battery life, a lag free experience and loads of storage space. I'll keep the s3 a backup phone or for occasions where I don't feel like carting the Note around. Maybe even flash Cyanogenmod to it but I have to run touchwiz on the Note to benefit from its biggest selling point - the pen.

Sent from the mighty Note II.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Yup, the galaxy s series may not have the best build quality but they are as sturdy as the competition. And it isn't THAT bad now lol. Nexus 4 is AWESOME! But it isn't for everyone, definitely not for the general consumers.
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
True but a lot of kids at school love my nexus always asking what phone it is and when I show the pie they freak! But most of the people don't even know about the features the s3 have so will they even notice the new ones on the s4
[Nexus 4 General] Techguy18:
Samsung galaxy s4

http://blog.gsmarena.com/cyanogenmod-wont-develop-for-the-galaxy-s4/

no cyagenomod for galaxy s4!!!!

That means that android enthusiasts might not buy this phone....
[Nexus 4 General] cobyman7035:
O my sammy4 kills nex4... I hope nex5 can compete vs s4... Laser keyboard seems cool

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[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Wrong information. CM neither confirmed or denied support for S4 yet.
[Nexus 4 General] wardy01:
After owning the one x. Then the s3 I moved to the n4 at release, now I have just pre oredered the g4 with voda on my upgrade.

The new g4 looks a lot nicer then the s3 and differs in so many ways. Regardless of views to the average Joe this phone is going to absolutely flood the consumers from day 1.

I will root it straight away and so forth and now await form the n5 ...
[Nexus 4 General] theguitarman94:
You have far too much money
[Nexus 4 General] jusada:
I'm curious to see how the new 1080p screens will effect performance on these new phones. I know there using more powerfully CPUs but will it really show? Its a big jump in what the phone has to render, it maybe minor but still be interesting to see the outcome!
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
I'm perfectly happy with current resolution. As long as any device has 300ppi minimum I don't need any more. Saying that, I'm all for the progress.
[Nexus 4 General] jusada:
I'm in agreement with you, progress is good but only when it truly effects your experience. Will I notice a major difference in a 5 inch 1080p screen or a 4.7 inch 720p screen. At these sizes I highly doubt it. The human eye apparently can't make out anything above 300 PPI so will I be sacrificing performance for a placebo effect. Its the reason I've gone for the n4 instead of waiting for the n5. Its a device at its peek, even the s4 with its 8/alternating 4 core CPU I suspect will lag more than the n4. A prime example was the gnex and the s2, granted the gnex is a great device and I love it. But that's mainly because of the soft ware not the device. I have a feeling even though the s4 may ace benchmarks in daily use people will find the s3 was faster. I truly believe my nexus 4 will wipe the floor with the xperiea z and probably the s4 too. Fanboys will argue I'm sure, but I'm a Samsung fan too. It took me along time to decide to take on an lg device, but I've looked at it as logically as possible and made my choice. It may well prove the wrong choice, but I'm happy with it.
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
Let me disagree with you sir. It is true that Galaxy series has been getting enormous success lately, similar to iphones. But then we have to remember who starts the buzz and how does it happen.

Samsung Galaxy S wasn't THAT popular phone, yes it did sell well but I think HTC Desire was the android phone of the year. Then Galaxy S 2 came out and it was the phone during that time, they re-designed it, put inside all the awesome features and all the nerds (including me) couldn't wait to buy it. But for the big mass it wasn't yet THE phone. Yes it sold well, but actually when I first bought SGS2 in the early summer 2 years ago I was almost the only one having it. It was only later that year when little by little more people started to buy it and Samsung started to put more money on the marketing.

Then SGS3 came out, Samsung came out with the guns blazing on the marketing terms, they again re-designed the phone (in my opinion to downhill but its just personal preference) and put all cool features in. Already then I said to myself "meh, not going to get it". Well idk what happened but then one beautiful summer day I walked into a store and got it..Already then enough tech-people, geeks and nerds and hipsters started to have SGS2 and then SGS3 so that SGS3 became success story of the year.

Same time for iphone they failed to made something revolutionary especially for the design. And while Apple still has its strong fan club behind it, I think the strongest wind is off their back. Same will happen to Samsung now. And why I think that it will happen to Samsung faster than to Apple..well, dont think I am a racist cause I am not but the difference is that its a Korean brand. Americans will much more easily jump to some other foreign brand from Korean brand than to abandon their own Apple. I know this because it was hard to let go off Nokia even if their phones had sucked many years before 2010 (I am from Finland).

And Europeans maybe also prefer more American than Korean. Also I think that one very huge reason is the ecosystem. Its not easy to let go off some ecosystem where you have invested into apps maybe many hundred dollars. For example myself I am so deep in Android ecosystem and I have bought office apps, games and many other apps which either are useful or totally useless. Anyway my money is there now. Even if Apple would bring up a super nice iPhone 6 this year which I really would like to have, it would be very difficult to leave my apps on Android now.

With Samsung the situation is different. They have to fight off HTC, Motorola and Nexus, not to mention all those hundreds of other companies which are just waiting to get their piece of pie. And changing from Android to another Android is so easy. I said bye bye to my HTC Desire to get SGS2 and I just put sim card in, log into google account and magically I had all my apps and contacts back to my phone.

I am not saying that SGS4 wouldn't sell well. Its because big masses change direction slowly. But I am saying that this geek group which we are, we are the pioneers. We are not so happy of this and starting to look around for the next Nexus or HTC.
[Nexus 4 General] jusada:
I think a good thing to remember here guys is that phone company's shift in and out of popularly with average users every 10years or so. Remember the power house Nokia once was, blackberry, HTC at the start of android. I personally think Samsung and apple will see a decline in the next few years. I know many who hate the iPhone 5 and the s3 who loved previous products. For me the future phone manufacture will be Sony. There making some truly stunning looking phones and that's what appeals to the masses, maybe not us here on xda but general public.
[Nexus 4 General] aeoveu:
I'm just wondering if the n4 is still worth buying today, it whether i should wait for the n5. I mean - I don't want to buy a piece if tech that'll become outdated in a few months to come (I'm referring to the Snapdragon 600 and 800 series vs s4 pro).

Cause my GNexus is... Well... Let's say, the time has come.
[Nexus 4 General] ven4545:
nexus 4 has the latest hardware but what this phone has that others dont is the low price :)
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
latest hardware does not equal to the best.
[Nexus 4 General] GretaLewd:
Have I done the right thing ?

I've ordered a 16GB Nexus 4 from the (UK) Play store , 5-6 week wait. My decision to go for the Nexus 4 was based on reviews & price (£279).

However...I currently have a Galaxy S running JB 4.2 with a black/blue theme and inverted (really black) Gapps. To me , this looks great on the Galaxy S's amoled display.

A few months back, I did look at an HTC One-X, but I felt the screen contrast on my Galaxy S was better.

So, will I be happy with the display on the Nexus ?? (and I must admit the "loss" of screen space due to the software keys is also concerning me....) HELP!
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
The "loss" of "space" is not a big deal and the colors TO ME on the nexus 4 are a bit washed out but that may be because I'm coming from the S3 and Note2 and still need to get use to the screen;);)
[Nexus 4 General] il buono:
I remember you from the Sprint GS3 section. You get used to the screen after a while :D

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Valerianus:
I'm deciding between this and a Lumia 920. The 920 has a better camera, but the Nexus 4, in my opinion, possesses better software.

Damn it.
[Nexus 4 General] il buono:
The camera is great but then again it's a Window's device. The app selection sucks. With the Nexus 4 (or any android device) you get a customizable OS with a nice variety of apps. The camera for this device isn't great but it gets the job done and with some quick editing with the phone's gallery app, it can look as good as an iPhone 5 photo.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
yea thats me. I went from the GS3 to GN2 to Nexus 4:laugh::laugh:..I've only had the phone for a few days but I'm already use to the screen, though the colors seem a little washed out but I guess that coming from amoled screens does that..
[Nexus 4 General] AppReviewBros:
Meh, I will just wait for Galaxy S4.
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
ill get that too when it comes out:D
[Nexus 4 General] Euler MD:
The tethering on this phone is godly. I am totally getting an unlimited data plan now.

It's much faster, (and USB Tethering actually works!).
[Nexus 4 General] irishrally:
Creamy - try to pick up a bumper as it makes the device much easier to hold, the volume and power buttons much nicer to push, and maintains if not increases the premium feel of the phone.