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[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Yes. The bloat is really a derogatory word for features, and these features don't negatively impact performance if you choose not to use them. Moreover it is presently trivial to debloat a device and disable/uninstall unwanted sysapps as necessary if the unused apps bother you. You can't really get the MultiWindow and other "bloat" on a Nexus. We're not on Gingerbread with 512MB of ROM and early Snapdragons anymore so I really don't understand how this whole bloat argument is still such a huge deal.

Essentially with the Nexus you're just saying you're happy with less. You can easily remove stuff from the Galaxy but you can't easily add this stuff to the Nexus. And you can flash a robust AOSP/AOKP on a Galaxy as well.
[Nexus 4 General] jtc276:
^This. Phones can handle these features, and they're cool, so why not have them? Stock Android is awesome. I've used it consistently for the past year, even on my Galaxy S II and One X with Cyanogen and AOKP. But I think it's time for me to move on. I like a lot of features that TouchWiz has and Galaxy devices have a robust assortment of accessories and features that no other Android device has. Nexus has a place in Android. Hell, Nexus is essentially the reason any Android phone is worth buying. But I'm much more interested in a flagship that a manufacturer will treat as such.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I couldn't agree more. I find it silly that great features like multi window are called "bloat", I mean really? And just like you said, all these features can be turned off. Stock android is great, no doubt. But after awhile it can be boring at times, let's keep it real. Those touchwiz features really add to the user experience and again like you said, you can go ahead and flash an aokp, paranoid if you feel the need of a stock experience. Features like multi window, smart alert are less likely to hit a nexus. Besides, I'm pretty sure many will be super excited if there was a port of multi window for the nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] jtc276:
It would definitely be interesting to see multi-window on a Nexus 4, but I'm not sure how ideal it would be. On my Galaxy S II it's pretty useless due to the limited screen size.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I think with the expanded desktop it would work pretty well, having the full 4.7 inch display.
[Nexus 4 General] Frattak:
I think that this phone is amazing,maybe it hasn't the best camera,but I take a photo rarely.

But this phone is the fastest and the one with the best battery life i've ever seen(more than iphone 5,galaxy s3,and so on).

So,imho is the best phone for me.I don't need 1080 on a 5 inch screen or a camera of 41 mpx.

P.S:About the battery,note2 is a phablet,so I didn't considered it(is bigger,so,it has a bigger battery).
[Nexus 4 General] Majkysek:
I had HTC ONE X before I bought Nexus 4. I must say that I bought N4 for the same money as I sold HOX, in any case I wouldn´t have changed. But now I´m very happy about that decision made. N4 is really fast, using custom ROM allows me to hide NavBar and battery life is pretty good too. Best thing tho´ is how every young child looks at me and wants to touch this unavailable device :D
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Installed SlimBeam on my wife's S3. N4 is still miles faster and smoother. :good: Well, not miles, but noticable.
[Nexus 4 General] Alaris:
I have a note 2 now and was thinking about getting the Nexus 4 as a second device. But because if supply I don't know if I should just wait a couple of months for IO and see if they announce a new one.
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
Coming from an iphone 5 which Im still using, I need to get a micro sim. Using the n4 just to browse and check emails while at home and I love the feel of the device. I havent rooted it yet, but with Ubuntu coming out it could make for an interesting seen in development.
[Nexus 4 General] Akoolive:
I'm coming from Verizon and a GNex, currently on T-Mobile w/ n4. I don't miss the network nor the phone and I had unlimited data. I live in atl,GA & T-Mobile speeds are much more faster then Verizon. Battery life much better & CDMA sucks, my phone would lose data switching between 3g/4g, but I don't have that issue on T-Mobile with 3g/hspa+
[Nexus 4 General] MohamadKarbi:
HOX+ as I always say is much better than N4 except for Ram. Which is not much noticeable on HOX+. I can't say HOX+ is bloated with un-needed software but sometimes you can't change or remove them.

GS3 has a camera that is even better than HOX+. But also with bloated software & ram shortage. Beside, I don't like the S3 design.

I'm not a developer nor am I interested in flashing roms. But the design of pure Android on N4 (UI where most apps are now following the the UI guidelines) gives me more better feeling & smothing & speed. Plus, it easy to modify apps and change the way I like. If just the camera was better. Camera is the main weakness in Nexus phones.

Rooting & flashing roms on any phone I tried mostly didn't provid the same bugs free experience I had with official roms.
[Nexus 4 General] Alaris:
So do you currently have both phones? I want a nexus 4, but have a note 2 that I don't want to get rid of. I guess I'm trying to justify having both lol.
[Nexus 4 General] MohamadKarbi:
No, only N4 till HTC m7 comes out. This is my plan and don't know if I'm going to change it later :)
[Nexus 4 General] ghettopops:
I got the Note 1, 2 and the GN4. I have to say I am having a hard time letting go of any of them.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Note 1!? Tosh, man, retire that dinosaur already.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
One X+ isnt much better than the nexus4, in fact i don't think its better period. It does however have some better pros than the nexus like better storage, maybe better camera and better screen. Unfortunately it does have slight lag, battery life is crappy and it isn't nearly as smooth and fast as the nexus 4, not to mention that it will soon be forgotten, N4 has at least 2 years of relevance. If someone wants an HTC one x and doesn't mind 16 gig, the one xl ( att one x) is the one i would recommend. It has surprisingly GREAT battery life and performance is on par with the One X+.
[Nexus 4 General] track 1:
what has the better battery life? N4 or galaxy s3?
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Definitely galaxy s 3.
[Nexus 4 General] D4rk50ul:
I consider the note 2 a small tablet, I'd hate to stick that thing in my pockets on a daily basis and I'm not cool with carrying a man purse.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] MrPlNK:
Its obvious who the real winner is :rolleyes:

Sent from my Neximus G
[Nexus 4 General] Stefan1980:
Coming from i9305 but for some reason, there isent many rom developers supporting that phone. I like to play with different roms, and N4 gives me plenty of opportunities to do that..

Ohh and its a fantastic phone, ive tried alot og phones, and none of em have been quite as snappy as my N4 :)
[Nexus 4 General] track 1:
which phone you prefer?

i have a rooted s3 running 4.2.1

still deiciding if i should get the n4
[Nexus 4 General] FRLinux:
Got mine last week, wrote two entries since I replaced my S3, take a look : http://www.frlinux.eu/?cat=6
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I had the S3, sold it not long after getting the Nexus. N4 has worse battery life (though the difference isn't that big), less storage and worse camera (again a noticeable but not extreme difference}.

The S3 is slower (though not significantly), uglier, and doesn't get the updates as quickly as Nexus (if it gets them which isn't guaranteed for the future unlike nexus).

I also prefer the IPS display to AMOLED but that's subjective.

Overall they are both great phones, it just depends what you value more.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I'll give the very very very slight edge to the nexus 4. Its a billion time faster, but I do like touchwiz, the storage options, the removable battery and better battery life. I also like the design on the S3 although I prefer the N4. Both phones are great but at this point if you want to go with one, the N4 is the way to go. S IV is right around the corner.
[Nexus 4 General] loungedogg:
Im a happy owner of new nexus 4.My previous phone was Htc One X ,but I got bored of sense and wifi problems so I decided to trade it for n4 and I cant be happier.:D
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Out of interest, what kernel/ROM are you using?

I've found Harshkrnl give me markedly better battery life than all the others at the moment, at the same voltages. I think it might be because hotplug is working properly whereas it's either slightly broken (lag inducing) or disabled on everybody else's efforts at the moment. I routinely get ~6 hours screen on with a full day's use. Well, I have done. Yesterday, I got nearly 4 hours screen on, ~30 mins calling and 13 hours standby, of which 6 were on mobile data and the rest WiFi and still had 52% when I went to plug it in. The Nexus 4 has been giving me quite astounding battery life. It'd be hard to beat with anything other than a Razr MAXX, I suspect.

Haha, I bricked my One X but I think the Nexus 4 is a much better device so it may have been a blessing in disguise (although I'd prefer it in the One X's chassis...)
[Nexus 4 General] NLPUNITED:
Coming from a Samsung S2X (hercules).

The N4 seems to be ages better. Just feels so smooth, display is out of this world compared to the Galaxy. Fast as hell. (still on stock rom, rooted).

Has double the memory wich must be helping.

So far I am not missing the lack of storage much. It is nice to have tons of songs on your phone, but seriously, most people listen to the same 100 songs over and over.

Just created a All time Fav playlist wich is updated weekly with new stuff
[Nexus 4 General] zennasyndroxx:
Nexus 4 camera vs other phone's camera?

what do you guys think about it? Personally I feel that the camera of nexus 4 lose out to SGS2's camera which has the same pixel amount.
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Definitely, but they both suck (as do all mobile phone cameras) really.
[Nexus 4 General] Alaris:
Anyone here own multiple device? Mainly phones. Wanna get into development so I was thinking about a nexus 4, but I have a note 2 now which I also enjoy.
[Nexus 4 General] budbear1:
I've had a few weeks with the Nexus 4 at this point. When I first started on the N4 from the SGS2, I missed some of the TouchWiz features and I was a little disappointed. After using it for a while I've found it's just been a matter of getting to know the stock Android UI more. I really like the Nexus 4 and straight Android. I was missing the capacitive buttons from the SGS2 right away but I totally get it now. There are still some things I think Google should add/change (looking at you toggles) and there are some things Google needs to get standardized, but it's been a great experience overall and I'm glad I switched. Getting the OS updates/fixes on a regular basis helps the experience a LOT; more than I anticipated.

Back when the iPhone 4 came out I couldn't see why Apple would put glass on the back on the phone. The iPhone 4 was slippery and broke easily. I knew a bunch of people that had broken glass on their iPhone but it did feel good when holding it. I can say now: I really get why it was done, although I still don't agree it's good design from a practicality standpoint. Like the iPhone 4, the Nexus 4 feels great to hold; even better than the iPhone 4 because of the rubber coated sides on the N4. The N4's screen is also top notch. The design which makes the screen flow just over the top edge is brilliant and the screen itself is very sharp and well-colored.

The camera is decent. I would say it's about as good as the SGS2. It's definitely faster and I think Google's software needs a bit of tweaking to output better pictures though. I've done some post-processing on some N4 pictures to get them looking great. The sensor definitely doesn't seem as good as the SGS3 though, which is the same sensor as the iPhone 5 too.

All in all, I would highly recommend the N4. For me it was between the Galaxy Note 2 and the Nexus 4. I tried them both and I was worried about the N4's limited storage and non-removable battery. The Note 2 does a lot of things right but, to me, the trump card for the N4 is: spectacular screen, pure Android and OS updates from Google.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
There's a thread on crack berry about the N4, they think the z10 is better and that android OS can't beat it haha dumbass's

NEXUS 4...Make em say uhhh..nah nah nah
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Complete tangent here, but honestly I wouldn't mind going back to the HD2 as a daily driver with the exception of somewhat lacking data speeds. Its legacy is timeless -- I doubt anyone could hate on a gentleman still using that bad boy. The Nexus 4, Note 2 and all the current flagships are just ephemeral in comparison. There's not going to be a nostalgia factor in them.
[Nexus 4 General] BMP7777:
It was ahead of its time. 'The screen is so big!' Sh**, that thing was a spring board for the hugeness that all other devices turned into.
[Nexus 4 General] Nigeldg:
Having come from two years of using an HD2, it would be very tough to go back after having used a Nexus 4. Don't get me wrong, the HD2 is still the most awesome phone of all time, but it's just too slow now. The last version of Android that ran well on it was GB, everything post ICS hasn't been very good for daily use.
[Nexus 4 General] Alaris:
OK seriously considering getting the nexus 4 just to start developing. The only thing I'm worried about is getting this late and them announcing something during Google IO in a couple of months. Damn LG and there supply problems lol.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
This is just opinion but I highly doubt there will be a new Google branded phone before this fall. The Motorola X phone sounds amazing and may come with stock android but I would be surprised if was apart of aosp

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] BMP7777:
I cancelled my order from Google and bought mine off eBay. I paid 400. After tax and shipping, the 16 gig was nearly that much with a wait time of 2 - 3 weeks. Had mine in 2 days.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Its totally worth it. You paid just a little extra but didn't have to deal with all the extra bs
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Doesn't he lose his opportunity for warranty and first-party servicing/repair?
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Yes he does

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] BMP7777:
I don't believe that is entirely true. Product warranty is almost always transferable. Bought an HP DV7 off eBay and registered as the second owner. Had 9 months of warranty from time of purchase. Either way, I kept on touch with the seller and if I would have had problems one of us could have dealt with it. Always shop for a reputable seller before anything else
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Well Google has told many people that bought second hand phones that the warranty is no longer valid.

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] BMP7777:
I'll take your word for it. Buyer beware.:thumbup:
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
You don't need to ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2009676&page=2

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] BMP7777:
So I guess the lesson is....don't call Google,call LG. Hell, I would have said that anyway. :rolleyes: I'm sure that most would say not to buy something like this on eBay or cl, It is wise advice. But a little research can make buying something through outlets like that not as bad as it sounds. Just my opinion. :D
[Nexus 4 General] J2DAe:
I came from a HTC one x that I paid $110 for and thought I loved it. Got the nexus off craigslist for the one x and 100$. Spent a total of $210 and I can't put it down
[Nexus 4 General] lopri:
Best phone I've had

Only 'complaint' that I have about N4 is the camera and the low volume voice. I really can't complain about anything compared to what I was dealing with (i.e. contracts), but I wish the camera was a bit snappier. I am guessing the culprit isn't the processing power but the lense, but still, for the price of hardware and the plan that I've got, this is by far the most satisfying smartphone experience I've had.

Another small complaint is that speaker is a little too muted. It's worse for me because I use Groove IP with tweaks to remove echos (the tweaks involve lowering speaker sound), but even when I use regular voice network I have to set the volume close to max for clear hearing.

But again, the value proposition along with pure Android experience is simply superb. I can't believe how much I am saving on my monthly phone bills, with the cutting-edge hardware no less.
[Nexus 4 General] TooCrzy:
Yeah you really can't beat a phone with the features of the Nexus 4, for this price unlocked and contract free. :good:
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
The value is great.

But I would be willing to pay ~$100 extra for at least a card slot or 64GB. I value internal storage that much, and a 64GB Nexus 4 would still easily be worth the ~$450.
[Nexus 4 General] adbshell:
I agree. Its pretty tight with just 16GB.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
The HTC one is fantastic looking. Wow.
[Nexus 4 General] BMP7777:
Its because their pimping the 'cloud'. 2 gigs standard on Dropbox, 5 on Google drive. I just went with Mega; they offer 50 gigs for free. I have begun consolidating some of my music and movies in there, to retrieve when I want. Just don't share it if you don't own it is the word on that. :angel:
[Nexus 4 General] MrPlNK:
Buy an Optimus G, convert to nexus 4, have 8gb internal, 64gb SD card, with LTE and a better screen

Problem solved :beer:

Sent from my Neximus G
[Nexus 4 General] snipestech:
I had the iPhone 5 screen is great as is the nexus 4,iPhone 5 is only 6 DPI higher and honestly barely can see the difference.

Nexus is also super fluid although the iPhone 5 is a tad bit better

Google still has a bit to go but all and all I prefer android os iOS is to boring for me.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Trust me, would have done so if it was pentaband HSDPA.
[Nexus 4 General] MrPlNK:
I'm assuming this is an outside of the US issue? I'm definitely super happy with my phone now.. Best phone out because of the N4 conversion IMO

Sent from my Neximus G
[Nexus 4 General] jonoxda:
I come from a brilliant Samsung Galaxy SII, but as I got a hold of the N4 I promised myself I would never buy anything other than a Nexus in the future. There is a simple reason for that; Samsung have been so unfriendly towards developers and this community. I was watching devs working blindfolded to fix some of the most important things for CM10 (butter anyone?), and the device suffered for it. I gave the device to my gf as soon as the N4 came at the post office. Then, Samsung had actually got around to releasing JB, around the start of January if memory serves, and it has brought the device back from the dead. Quality phone, but it'll never beat a Nexus. That's true across the Samsung line, they are so big they don't care about the developers, breaking promise after promise. Samsung won't win me back. Ever.

Before that I had HTC Desire, which was an all right phone. I soon got fed up with Sense though, not going there again.

Sony could win me over in the future, they've been fantastic towards the dev community, going above and beyond(!) what they are required to do. That would still mean paying a lot more money to get (at least) on par with the N4.

That's my reasoning anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] SGS_elko:
AW: [DISCUSSION] Google Nexus 4 vs any other phone

+1 :D

I came from a GS1, Nexus is the ONE :D!
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
No, I hate AT&T. Worst 2 year contract I've ever been in.
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
My next phone is going to be the Nexus 5. I won't mind paying more for a better display, camera, and more memory. $450 seems fair.
[Nexus 4 General] irzero:
I cant wait to get rid of this nexus tbh. So many substandard areas i want it gone
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
That HTC One should include the matrix as a free movie:cool:

NEXUS 4=Richard mille watch
[Nexus 4 General] dmjlabelle:
I'm sure this will have some saying "What...." But I'm going to sell my N4 once the new HTC1 becomes available. I really miss the lte. Thought I wouldn't, but I do. Went from the S3 to the N4 and wished I didn't, although I would have still got the new HTC1 once available anyways. Can't wait for the dual front speakers <--- Volume is important to me with my job. The N4 speaker sucks in my opinion. All Aluminum <--- Important to me with my job as well. LTE I miss big time and to be honest, there are quite a few more downfalls I feel with the N4.

I know this is an N4 forum and this post maybe should be in a htc forum, but I just wanted all of you that are waiting for the phone to know how someone like me feels after having the phone since day one. The bottom line is, "It's not all that" Or maybe I just don't know how to enjoy it to it's fullest.
[Nexus 4 General] arzbhatia:
Ah damn. Look at the price on the One man. I can buy two nexuses out of it! Hot damn!

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[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Not everybody looks money the same way

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] eiriklf:
HTC one is out, I'm impressed with HTC now. If they really have pulled off the antenna setup in a unibody phone that's an almost perfect piece of hardware. And they only launched a single device, and they seem to have improved availability. It wouldn't make sense to drop sense, and nobody outside of xda will miss 4.2. They will need to deliver updates, though.

Still happy with my nexus, though. Updates are more important to me than the camera, and the rest isn't enough to justify the higher price. If you want an unlocked phone and you are in a country where you can buy the nexus from google it is still very much a competitive device.

Now we wait for the S IV to launch and disappoint everyone. I doubt it will have better hardware than the HTC One.
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
Eh, Samsung will probably surprise us.
[Nexus 4 General] GeoMil:
I would consider the HTC One. If it weren't for one thing. The power button on the top. It's fine on an smaller phone but I hate it on the one x.

Xperia z is the only phone I'd consider now.
[Nexus 4 General] Techguy18:
Xperia Z has a very bad screen.. bad viewing angles bad contrast....
[Nexus 4 General] eiriklf:
Surprise with more fancy touchwiz features and less new hardware is what I'm thinking. The S III was rumored to bring lots of new stuff and we ended up with something far closer to the one X. This time the launches seem to be even closer.

Also these rumors seem to line up pretty nicely with what I said above:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/18/2...-not-accurate-name-still-unconfirmed-security

If the S IV gets as impressive hardware as the rumors suggest (exynos 5 octa), it would blow the HTC one out of the water, not "emphasize features over raw specs".
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
The HTC one and galaxy 4 will launch with android 4.2.

The Nexus 4 will be running Android 5.0 about six months before either the HTC one or the galaxy s4.

The Nexus 4 will be running Android 5.1 just as the galaxy s4 gets updated to 5.0. At this point HTC will release a new phone with a new version of sense and announce that the HTC one is not capable of running Android 5.1.

Yup. History always repeats.
[Nexus 4 General] aimcr7:
+1 for HTC, not sure about samsung tho, they still updating the old badass galaxy SII (more than 24months after its announced).
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Yeah what I meant to convey was that the Samsung will get updates for a reasonable time after release albeit with a considerable delay due to the need to add TouchWiz. HTC on the other hand usually give one or maybe if you're lucky two updates then abandon the phone.
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
Nexus 5 >
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
My next phone is an HTC One or a Galaxy S IV. Will keep the nexus 4 as a backup.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
Same here:thumbup:

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