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[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Human hand is surprisingly accurate "tool". While 5 gram might not be noticed, 20 will be for sure. Also, ergonomics play big role in how heavy a device "feels".

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[Nexus 4 General] osmosizzz:
Motorola is known for their modems. And yeah. Saw reviewers bust out the xperia z for certain things and I knew mods would fix the issue

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[Nexus 4 General] Vortex1969:
OK long list coming from:

IPhone 3, 3S, 4 all jailbroken

Infuse 4G

Sgs2

Sgs3 both rooted custom

N4 I must say the S3 camera was better. I do miss the sd card on my S3 as it made flashing rom with a complete wipe a little faster not needing my computer.

As for everything else I have nothing but good things to say about the N4. I will not be getting a new phone until the next Google development phone comes out.

Thanks to all of the great devs and all there hard work:thumbup:
[Nexus 4 General] Eric-1987:
I haven't used a computer to flash a ROM since I unlocked my phone...
[Nexus 4 General] haerigrek:
Xiaomi MI2.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
The s3 was a great introduction to android and apart from the launcher the touch wiz experience is amazing

From now on though I will go for pure android as long as it has an SD slot .

I think these other handsets are great first time androids but that leads to the pure android experience in those that Are hard core phone users

Sent to you watchers of illusion from my castle of confusion.
[Nexus 4 General] Eric-1987:
You aren't going to get what you want for a while. No phone out right now has pure Android with an SD slot.
[Nexus 4 General] M_T_M:
Thread cleaned!!

No more flaming, attacking or just plain being immature..capisce?

Also...I'm willing to ban anyone that even thinks about replying with another smart remark, makes fun of illnesses or sickness or just decides to not listen and follow the rules...deal?

Don't make me come back here again...carry on with topic!

Regards,

M_T_M
[Nexus 4 General] LaiFany:
Nexus 4 vs Note 2

Hey guys. I have the Nexus 4 now, but I'm contemplating on whether to upgrade(or downgrade in some cases) to the Note 2.

Hope I could get informative feedback on this.

1. Is the lower ppi on the Note 2 very noticeable? Especially when the screen is so big.

2. What bothers me is the processor and the GPU. The 1.6 GHz Exynos 4412 quad-core processor on the Note 2 is said to be slower than that of the Nexus 4's.The Adreno320 on the Nexus 4 is a lot better as compared to the Note 2 from what I've heard. My question is, will the day to day practical usage performance, and HD gaming show a drastic slowdown?

3. I'm a noob when it comes to flashing custom ROMs and stuffs like that, but from what I know, the Nexus 4 gets the latest Android updates faster, thus making it more future proof in terms of software. Is it possible for me to use a custom ROM on my Note 2(if I were to switch) which resembles the upcoming Key Lime Pie? I would prefer Stock Android over Touchwiz with its excessive bloatware.

4. Lastly, and perhaps the most important thing for me. Will the Note 2 LAG or STUTTER when performing? Though it might not be as buttery smooth as the Nexus 4 but excessive lag really turns me off. I heard that the lag is due to the bloatware, thus is it possible to be less laggier when using other ROMs?

Thanks for reading my lengthy post. Hope I could get some feedback on this. And don't bother on commenting about the big size and uncomfortability(not sure what's the right word) of the Note 2, as I love big screens.

Thanks in advance!
[Nexus 4 General] aimcr7:
1. No, its not noticeable with naked eye.

2. Not drastic, haven't tested any game with note 2 tho. But some games work better on exynos from what i heard its because of better optimization.

3. There always plenty of custom rom for note 2, since its a popular device, but what i heard it never be as good as stock, even CM 10.1 in note 2 is not perfect, the devs having a lot of issue regarding source code and lack of documentation from samsung. And s-pen would become useless if you are not using stock or modded stock.

And Samsung sucks at supporting community, they keep lying to devs and violent the gpl.

4. I've tried my friend note 2, and it works great, no lag whatsoever. Maybe because he havent installed many apps. But overall its smooth.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
1. No.

2. Not slower day-to-day, but the Nexus 4 will last longer in the HD gaming department. The CPU of the Note 2 is much stronger than its GPU relatively speaking.

3. Yes, but the Note 2 ROMs will always be more buggy than their Nexus 4 counterparts.

4. Never in my experience. I have owned the Note 2, Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 and they all demonstrate similar levels of smoothness.
[Nexus 4 General] Devzz:
Latest vanilla android handset

So a new mobile was announced by Archos recently! Looks good, 3 different ones, best one is the Platinum 53; almost similar specs to galaxy nexus bar the screen which is 5.3" on this phone! SD card slot upto 64gb running 4.2.1 JB, what do you think? :p at ~£163 for this one and even less for the other two (although lower spec) its a steal!

http://www.archos.com/products/smartphones/platinum/archos_53platinum/index.html?country=gb&lang=en

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/18/archos-dips-into-android-smartphones/
[Nexus 4 General] Eric-1987:
You want to compare that to a nexus device?
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Those are NOT similar specs. Not even in the same ballpark.
[Nexus 4 General] Valerianus:
I've been using a Nexus 4 since last December as my daily driver. Satisfied with it so far, but the new HTC One looks rather enticing. And of course, you have the iPhone 5S on the horizon...
[Nexus 4 General] Tunderpimp:
Sweet
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
1. No. Both screens look very sharp but there is a noticeable difference in the colour rendition between the screens. Amoled is more vibrant super ips is more natural.

2. I've not encountered any lag on either phone and can't notice a difference in speed. You'd have to run benchmarks to see the difference. While the nexus is faster it throttles down more often because the snap Dragon runs hotter under full load so overall you won't notice any difference. Another thing to consider is that if you are installing 2-3th gb games then you are going to run out of space quick in the n4. With n2 you can move that data to the sd card if you're rooted.

3. You do get the updates quicker on the nexus but that's not always a good thing. Sometimes you have to wait for developers to update your apps to run on the latest android. Samsung aren't bad with updates on their high end devices. The s2 is shortly to get its final update which will be to 4.2.2 which isn't bad for a two year old phone. Nexus phones don't get supported forever either. Google aren't updating the nexus s anymore. They get updates faster but not forever. Aosp never runs right on non nexus phones you're better off with modified Touchwiz Rom on the n2. S pen still works with compatible apps from the play store but the camera its buggy as hell.

4. The n2 doesn't lag at all. Touchwiz launcher is slower than vanilla android but that's just the launcher. I run nova launcher on both and they are equally smooth. Yeah Touchwiz is heavier and has some useless features but it also has useful features over vanilla too.

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[Nexus 4 General] Dr.Mcq:
I have both phones (Nexus 4 & Note 2), both are phenomenal devices.

BUILD:

I prefer the nexus, no creeks at all, the note on the other hand is acceptable but the back is bendable & might creek too.

SCREEN:

-note 2 has a much more vibrant screen with better contrast & blacks. The 5.5 inches is just a pleasure to watch videos on.

-The nexus has the sharper and brighter screen, a little bit washed out for my taste (fixable using a custom kernel).

BATTERY:

Note 2 just blows out the nexus away. The longest lasting battery in an android phone ever. The nexus however can last a day with no issues.

Camera quality:

Note 2 85% quality, Nexus 70%

CELL SIGNAL:

Nexus is much better here, the note usually have 1-2 bars fewer than the nexus.

All in all, I choose the nexus for the pure android experience. Touchwiz is just not for me. Finally, believe me, in less than a month the nexus will be the most wanted device again once google I/O comes.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I really hope they announce a 32 gb Nexus 4 at I/o. If that option existed it would be much more difficult for me to pick up the Note when I walk out the door each morning.

Sent from the mighty Note II
[Nexus 4 General] Dr.Mcq:
I forgot to mention performance. Both the note 2 & the nexus are very smooth & there is no difference noticeable at all in day to day tasks. I even did a test side by side & honestly performance is almost identical between both (the nexus was marginally smoother in scrolling)
[Nexus 4 General] LaiFany:
Thanks!

Thanks for all the inputs guys. The only reason I'm actually considering the Note 2 is due to the bigger screen, battery and maybe for that multiwindow thing. I've tried a few multiwindow-like apps found in the PlayStore on my Nexus 4, but they aren't half as nice as the one built-in on the Note 2. Any multiwindow apps to recommend me?

I've also seen Youtube videos on a gameplay demo of Asphalt 7 on the Note2 and most of them lag and suffer from low fps. Weird right.

Games like NOVA,MC4 and NFS doesn't lag as much as Asphalt on the Note 2, but I can see that it's a little bit laggier as compared to the Nexus 4, not by much though, but noticeable. I have not personally tried both devices side by side, so I wouldn't know, but I'm just saying like how I see it.

Also, what is this Google I/O you speak of? Mind enlighten me on why Nexus 4 will be the most wanted device again? :confused:

Thanks a bunch!
[Nexus 4 General] Drtro:
I currently have an iPhone 4S on Ntelos. Even though I never had top of the line Android devices before, I never liked them. I had Motorola Backflip, LG Ally, and then some HTC phone I forgot the name. The Backflip was just awful slow and laggy. I loved the design but the specs just wasn't up to par. The LG Ally was a little better but I believe there was only 1 custom ROM to choose from. The specs were decent and there wasn't too much lag but the quality was cheap. The screen quit on me in about 8 months. The HTC phone was big but it was my favorite. About the time I got to like it, the screen shattered. By then, I went to Ntelos. They had 2 year old Androids in their "main" showcase. But they bought out my contract so I got the 4S. It's alright but it makes me feel dumb. Even on 23Mbps WiFi, the App Store takes forever to load and ads are everywhere unless you buy full versions. All in all I like the phone, but I can't stand Ntelos. They throttle me to 2G whenever I want to watch a video on YouTube or stream music on Slacker or YouTube. I asked for the $60/month 450min plan but they gave me the $90/month unlimited plan. I couldn't complain though because my Verizon plan was almost $120/month and I didn't even have unlimited minutes.

But it's over now.

My Nexus 4 is coming today. I'm ordering a ST-AT&T SIM card off eBay.

What should I expect? I loved Android 4.2 JellyBean so much on my Nexus 10 but the I didn't like the size of it. My screen on my 4S is cracked so I decided to return the Nexus 10 and ordered a Nexus 4. Getting a $50 Google Play card today. Any good apps I should get? I plan to stick with stock. I may root if needed but not soon.
[Nexus 4 General] LooieENG:
Android will never really be as smooth as iOS (as the code for iOS is optimised for a very limited number of hardware devices)

However, the Nexus 4 (and Jelly Bean) is so smooth I don't think you would notice a difference in every day use. Really, everything is instant. It will be a LOT smoother than the Nexus 10 experience you had

This is a good video to demonstrate the differences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdKmzZ17haU

I wouldn't really bother rooting, the stock ROM is fine (I only rooted so I could remove apps I don't want that can't be disabled like SIM toolkit)

As for $50 worth of apps, my favourite games are the Rockstar games (GTA III, Vice City and Max Payne) - they're exactly the same as the originals

Have a look at the top paid apps while you're waiting

https://play.google.com/store/apps/collection/topselling_paid?feature=top-paid
[Nexus 4 General] Drtro:
Thanks. Not much into games. Currently these are on the list to buy.

Apex Pro

Nova Prime

Tasker

Beautiful Widgets

HD Widgets

Maybe some full version apps of free ones I come along and like.

Can I get the full subscription of Slacker Radio with my Play credit or is that with slacker? It's my favorite app for music and streams without a buffer even on 2G most of the time. But the ads get old.

But yeah. Android has come a long way. The Nexus 10 was so smooth. But it was just difficult to type on. I actually was intending to return it for the Nexus 7 but after Ntelos saying they won't fix my cracked screen even though I pay for damage coverage, I just decided to order the Nexus 4. I wanted the Galaxy Note II, but $299.99 for a retail phone with $600 specs designed by Google and LG was difficult to pass up on. Not to mention cutting my bill in half means I can upgrade my Internet speeds.

I'm excited. It's just now I'll be wanting the Nexus 7 and will spend my money I'm supposed to use on college supplies this Summer to buy it.
[Nexus 4 General] Dr.Mcq:
Google I/O is the annual developer conference hosted by Google. It is expected that the next version of android "android 5.0" will be released then & usually the nexus devices get those updates first "usually in a week or so". Other non nexus devices don't see the new updates for a long while. The note 2 still doesn't have 4.2.2 which the nexus is running now.

If you want the latest & greatest android experience stick to the nexus.

Finally, you might see some games lag in a device while other games run smoothly. That is because there are different GPUs in each device & some games might be optimized for one GPU & not the other. The nexus has an adreno 320 which is newer & more powerful than the mali-400 on the note 2.
[Nexus 4 General] Drtro:
So it came in. This thing is huge. My 4S looks like an iPod Nano next to it. The bumper feels nice, I don't know why people complain. The wireless charger doesn't feel cheap one bit. Its actually almost if not heavier than the phone.

Bought a few apps. I still need to order a Sim card. Running off WiFi. The battery was at about 67% when I opened it. About 2 hours of downloading apps and messing with settings. 45% now. Not bad I guess considering downloads and its still on full brightness.
[Nexus 4 General] LooieENG:
You know what I find annoying about this phone? Sometimes, I take it out of my pocket and I'm holding it upside down, OR I take it out, and turn it round as I think it's upside down, and it was the right way up all along

I think it should say "Nexus" or "Google" in white under the earpiece, and the power button should be on top :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 General] tennockey:
Hurry everyone get your thoughts in before close the thread for mentioning an iPhone! Ahhhh!
[Nexus 4 General] facetubespam:
Haha so true, but I don't think having the wording on the front instead of the back will change anything. It's the curse of having glass on the back as well. Previous phones, you could tell which was the front and back and thus realize with the button placements top and bottom.

The power button on the top is just to awkward for ergonomics due to the size of the phone. Just look at the HTC 8X to see how ridiculous it is to have a power button all the way on the top of the tallest phone.

I also wouldn't want the clean front to have stuff on it.... it reminds me too much of carrier/manufacturer branding.
[Nexus 4 General] letom:
I wouldn't call it annoying at all but haha exactly the same thing happens to me , sometimes I look at my phone and wait for the notification light to see which way is up and down, if I don't have a notification, well it's pure guess work! :D
[Nexus 4 General] snak3ater:
Same thing happens to me as well.. what i always do is just go for the volume or power button.. I Search these buttons while i am talking out the mobile from pocket..
[Nexus 4 General] aaronm1:
No, considering the price, performance, speed of updates and everything else the N4 is (arguably) the best phone out there right now, unless the N5 makes an appearance soon at a similar price point.

Current - Nexus 4, iPhone 5 16GB

Gone - iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S 16GB
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
No, considering the price, performance and updates the Nexus 4 is the best bang for the buck. But it is not better than the HTC one or the Galaxy S 4.

I think that the HTC One offers better battery life, more storage, better CPU, better screen, better design ( although the N4 is also great) and better sound quality. Also ( arguably if not definitely) better camera.

The S4 has a bigger and better screen, bigger battery with better battery life and its removal, expandable storage( supports 64 gig SD cards), android 4.2.2 just like the nexus 4, plenty of features, much better camera and sound quality, Gorilla glass 3, DDR3 Ram, better CPU, lighter and thinner.

All those are facts. Now stock vs skinned UI is another story.....
[Nexus 4 General] Joloxx9:
Guys have question, does anybody came from sgs2? I have sgs2 and I can sell it for 150 quids and put 130 to buy n4 16gb. What do you think , Worth or not?

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[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
The n4 is a better phone if you can live without the micro sd card slot.

Sent from the mighty Note II
[Nexus 4 General] Spl4tt:
noooo waaay, happened once to me, and now I always search the power button with my thumb when taking it out.

When I don't find it, I rotate the phone, when I find it, it's right.

NP x)
[Nexus 4 General] abaaaabbbb63:
Or just look where the earpiece is. That's how I do.
[Nexus 4 General] aaronm1:
Yes, technically both of those phones are better in some ways, mostly on paper, and they are both pretty much double the price.

In real world performance (not just on paper/benchmarks) you just won't notice the difference.

We've got to the point where we're reaching the limits of what our current technology can do, and for processors at least, the slowdown in Moore's Law is beginning to prove this. We need to stop looking at benchmarks etc, because all of these top phones on the market at present are so good it doesn't matter which one you go for, unless there's one killer feature that one has when compared to another, Samsung/HTC's IR Blaster is somewhat useful, I'll give them that, but you should be allowed to just get rid of what you don't want more easily without having to root/mod it off.

With 720p vs 1080p, 320ppi vs 441ppi, in the real world you won't be able to tell the difference. Because you've not got a 40" screen on a phone, you have a 4.7 or 5" screen, it is simply too small for you to notice, and these so called 'facts' just become something of a useless number.

Also, screen sizes are just getting ridiculous, although I'm happy with my N4's size - just about, I found that my iP4S was a lot easier to handle, although it was slightly too small, manufacturers should try and come up with some sort of hybrid between actual size and screen real-estate.

Plus, with skinned vs. stock, all TouchWiz/HTC Sense etc. do is slow a phone down with ridiculous stuff you just don't need - S Voice, Blinkfeed, Facebook Home, 'Dual Camera', 'Sound and Shot' and 'AirView' to name a few on the S4, need I say more?

As for batteries, most problems with longevity usually lie in software, and are fixed in updates.

Current - Nexus 4, iPhone 5 16GB

Gone - iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S 16GB
[Nexus 4 General] djsaad1:
I am really itching to get an s4, but I don't want to have to wait months for key lime pie. Going to stick with the n4 until at least I/O. Now if the rumor of Key lime pie being delayed for a few months is true, I might change my mind.
[Nexus 4 General] aeoveu:
After owing the GNexus, I came to the following conclusion: Nexus is Nexus.

I now own the N4 and honestly, its a nice upgrade. The One may be a hair faster but this phone is no slouch. Besides, who knows - maybe there are some other optimizations involved in the HTC that gives it the extra oomph, besides the slight increase in the clock speed.

I'm happy. And in this price point, so should you.

(PS: people complain about the camera being bad and all in lowlight shots, right? Try enabling HDR and then snap a picture. Just because the phone doesn't post-process as much as the other phones doesn't mean its crap!)

Sent from my upgraded mini tractor.
[Nexus 4 General] VOLTAGEROCK:
I was going to say the same thing... You beat me to it!

Sent using Tap coupled with Talk on a device that will knock your socks off of my feet: Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Mrboxfacetramp13:
Oh and also you have to take into account the exynos issues which are actually one of the reasons I jumped ship to a Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
It's true that most phones nowadays are super fast. Trust me, I haven't been a benchmark guy since the Galaxy S 2 I-9100 ( when it used to get 3000 and other phones were in the upper 1000, lower 2000). Don't care for benchmarks at all. But even if its true that speed and 720 vs 1080 p isn't that big of a deal, the whole package of an upgrade is. For example with the S4 compared to the nexus 4

The S4 has a better ppi ( and you DO notice a difference), it has a bigger removable battery, you can have up to 128 GB of storage !!!!!!! ( about 110GB for the user), DDR3 Ram, gorilla glass 3, air view, smart pause .... 13 mp camera that definitely takes better shots and so on. My point is all these things together makes it a better phone. If you look at speed alone then yea, no big deal but if you look as a whole what both phone have to offer then that's when you can see the difference. With that being said the N4 is awesome, 299$ and you get a beast of a phone, you cannot beat that. Also stock is liked by most.
[Nexus 4 General] facetubespam:
Actually the One has a different processor than the N4, and the S4 has a different processor than the One and N4. So its not just clock speed.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
You're right about the speed. On the other hand the high end galaxies do have a bunch of features which nexus lacks so you are getting more phone for the higher price. Speed is not the only factor. Even though they are both 8mp the s3 and note 2 take noticeably better pictures than the n4 and then there are things like smart stay and multi view which at first glance sound gimmicky but which soon prove to be quite useful. TouchWiz doesn't even slow phones like the note 2 or s4 in the slightest.

In as far as the battery goes, it's incredibly convenient to be able to remove your flat battery and insert a fresh one. The alternative for non removable battery phones, if you're away from a charger for some time, is to walk around with a dildo hanging out of your phone until it recharges.

I love the nexus 4, it's great value for money, but you'd be mad to think that spending more money won't buy you more phone.

Sent from the mighty Note II
[Nexus 4 General] selfinflicted1:
Here is one of those super strong plastic Samsung's everyone says is so durable. Dropped from cargo pocket by the knee onto pavement. So glad i got a nexus....

And the pic wont upload. Smh....
[Nexus 4 General] cobyman7035:
Wow nice crackthere.... What happened?

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[Nexus 4 General] selfinflicted1:
Its my buddies S3 and he was using it as a flashlight, looking for something and he dropped it. He was bent over so it didn't fall very far but it busted like a mofo....:banghead:

In all fairness it did take a solid corner shot. But i still don't care for the build quality of Samsung's phones.
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Nvm
[Nexus 4 General] Dawn Breed:
100% correct!

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[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
The Nexus isn't exactly "durable" either. The back is made of glass...

Sent from the mighty Note II