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[Nexus 4 General] NowhereOutThere:
So, right now I have both the Nexus 4 and the HTC One. I really don't want to own both (a bit irrational, IMO), so I've been deliberating as to which one to get rid of.

It is much harder than I thought.

On paper, the One handily bests the N4: LTE, more onboard storage, 1080p display, front-facing speakers, overall design and build, etc. However, it is the software I keep coming back to. I love PA, and while I'm sure that devs will port it to the One in time, my experience on the Note II has given me some pause about these ports. Often times there are bugs associated with them, and they were never as smooth as the AOSP roms for the N4. The display on the One is OMFGbeautiful, but the N4 display is no slouch either (it is not hard to jump from one to the other, and in normal situations I cannot discern a large difference unless I view the two side by side). Not that Sense 5 is bad, per se, as I load up Nova on both and much of Sense 4 was toned down for Sense 5. The aspect ratio of the N4 I also like a bit more, as I feel the One is a bit tall. The camera is much better on the One, though. I'm not sure if it is just me, but the N4 camera seems to have a hard time focusing and generally takes very average pictures in daylight and downright poor images in low light situations.
[Nexus 4 General] naan-consensual:
HTC One

So I've owned the 64GB Developer's HTC One for about a week now and I've actually switched back to the Nexus 4. Here are my impressions:

The One has a beautiful screen. Can't deny that. But the N4 still competes. I'm no display expert but to my naked eye I'm happy with what the Nexus gives me.

As far as the speakers go, the One takes the cake. Easily. I can't remember the last time I've had speakers that good from a phone. Speakerphone too. My N4 has always been subpar in this department.

I notice the One doesn't heat up as high as the N4. Anybody else?

The One also wins in the camera department. Low light shots are great. I haven't had too much time to play with it but when I take shots side-by-side the One just seems to always take a much better picture 9/10 times.

Now, onto software...

While the One is fast/snappy/responsive, I still can't get used to Sense/UI. Coming from a GNex beforehand, using anything but stock Android is a chore for me.

I've noticed that where the back/home/multitasking buttons are on the One is replaced with the three vertical dots - it just seems so useless. It's so much handier having those buttons on the N4. Button placement is also really odd for me on the One. I give it to the N4 here. It's actually one of my biggest gripes. Not having the home button in the middle/having to double click to open multitasking... it's a bit of a nuisance.

LED notifications - I get red and green with the One. I really miss using LightFlow and having multiple colors for apps - it's really useful for waking up in the middle of the night and seeing what notifications I have by light color - might just be me but I find it really handy

As far as physical size goes - for some reason I keep messing up on the keyboard with the One. I use SwiftKey on both but I don't know if the N4 just has a wider real estate or what - I always find myself typo-ing on the One.

Anyway, that's all I've got. Just putting my two cents in. I've actually shipped the One back for an exchange (dead pixel) and will most likely sell it when I get my replacement. Might stick with the N4 for a bit longer - maybe see what the N5 has to show.
[Nexus 4 General] Alaris:
When will they announce the nexus 5? I really want to buy a 4 but at this point I should probably wait right?
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
Until october/November is the popular guess, the usual schedule.

Might be wise to wait until I/O to see if there's a larger capacity model announced.

But it's highly likely that the full update is still some months away.

You won't regret getting a N4 regardless, it's a superb device, it flies and it definitely feels pricier than what you pay. It's the best device I ever had. (coming from S1, 2, 3).
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
I am seriously debating selling my Galaxy S4 and picking up a Nexus 4..

Reasons?

I miss pure Android..
[Nexus 4 General] VOLTAGEROCK:
Yeah, it's not like those features are anything I wish I had. Pure android cannot be beat IMO.

Sent using Tap coupled with Talk on a device that will knock your socks off of my feet: Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Andylink:
Me and thousands of other people are unlucky, my nexus was the only phone broken out of the box, got an RMA, broken aswell, i have a feeling my 3rd device isnt great either, but if you do get it perfectly, its the best device period. NOW if the HTC one was $300, definetly the HTC, but for the price N4, for the best Speed, GS4, Sexiest, best/ most sturdy design, HTC ONE
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
You'll get a good bonus if you sell that S4, but if you have a flawless screen might be worth keeping it (no smudging and red pixel issues).

I can't get back to Touchwiz after using this phone, it feels like a step down in speed and fluidity.

Some of the software features are indeed nice but the PA team has others implemented that are just as useful and nice.

Battery is definitely better on the S3/4 but if you tweak the Nexus it can get past a day of heavy usage.

Most are gimmicks, they have a 'throw everything at it' approach that kinda works for them but it's not necessarily the best.
[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
Pure Android sucks, its PA, CM, AOKP, and teams like BeerGang that make it so good.

I will be getting S4 soon, we will see if I will miss N4.......
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
And yet aren't those ROMs usually broken on non-nexus phones?

Anyway. I would love if Google had the same approach with their Nexus devices as Oppo does with their Find 5. Updates every 2 weeks! Sure, they're mainly maintenance updates, but that helps. Plus, they actually listen to their customers and add a feature if enough people want it.
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
At first I was surprised by your opinion, then I remember you were the guy that likes Touchwiz. :laugh:

If the base wasn't good, the end products wouldn't be. Heard about building a house in sand? :rolleyes:

Stock is good - all the teams involved take a good base and make it better (or worse sometimes...).
[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
What do you think is the base of Touchwiz? iOS?

Its stock Android (4.2.2 in case of S4) with extra settings and a theme
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
Touchwiz makes me cry.

Cartoon like with gimmicks.

-Sent from Marino's Maxx-
[Nexus 4 General] bassitone:
I got to play with the One yesterday for a bit, and...Sense 5 is sleek as hell, I'll give it that much. This is from a guy that hated Sense even before I had considered getting an Android phone. Wouldn't mind running a Sense 5-based ROM at least for a little while, to be honest. Of course, I may just set a record for most flashes in a 24 hour period whenever I get my Nexus later today or tomorrow :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] Alaris:
Did you just order a nexus 4? Im thinking of getting one but dont know if im better off waiting for google IO
[Nexus 4 General] bassitone:
Yep, just ordered mine yesterday. Of course, I'm in a bit of a special position because I'm replacing a broken phone (Optimus G, screen shattered) and need a new phone ASAP because of work and not having anything else.

Since IO is so close, you might as well wait if you're not in a rush to replace.
[Nexus 4 General] Tommy-Geenexus:
they`ll release a nexus 4 with 32 gb and lte, no nexus 5 etc this time.

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] Sher The Love:
I went to stock for a day to get ready for the 4.3 update and I was a little disappointed. Mainly notification customization sucks. The vibrate in the N4 is already weak and a text message barely vibrates. The notification light isn't very bright either and the pulse frequency is slow. For whatever reason, I can't get custom vibrations through light flow to work on stock.

Also, volumes being tied together drives me nuts. I hope they change notification settings on 4.3. Other than that, stock is just fine for me.

I did get to play with an S4 at best buy. It's a nice phone, but I wouldn't day it's worth dishing out $600+ off contract to upgrade from the N4.

On another note, my wife and I are going to Disney world next week(it's the most magical place on earth you know). We're flying from Chicago and I'd really like to use the N4 as my main device for music, Web, and camera through out traveling and at the parks. Unfortunately, the battery life is mediocre as well as the camera. Storage isn't a big deal, if I take a lot of pictures in a day I can transfer them to my netbook at the end of the day.

Anyways, I'm contemplating getting a note 2. I had it before the N4 and missed it since I sold it. I wouldn't have to worry about battery life or storage. I could always order a $10 battery as well. Only downside is having that size of phone in my pocket through out the day. I would pay about $150 out of pocket to buy used. Any feedback is appreciated.
[Nexus 4 General] DaRkEMpRoR:
actually n4 is awesome but i can't get 4 350$ cause iam not from U.S.A

So i was wondering about oppo find 5 is it good or i stick with buying nexus

and About nexus the weather here is always hot in most of the Days (about 280 days)

would the temp affect the back and does the crystal protector for the back really helps and about gaming would it survive with 2 or 1.5 hour of playing ?
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
No, but they were trying very hard to emulate iOS - it's the minimal sense and coherence I can extract from your post.

You are completely missing the point.

The amount of modifications Samsung piles on top of Android, makes it much more than a theme and it claws deep into every aspect of the software, please read a bit before making such a ignorant statement.

The Touchwiz UI has several custom applications that replace default stock ones, the framework is different (heavily modified) and the visual style and coherence it's thrown out of the window towards a more "user friendly", Gingerbread-ish aesthetic style.

The end result is something that resembles Android but visually is an amalgamation of several things.

It lacks a general direction and style that other skins such as HTC's Sense 4+ and Sony's NXT have.

Not to mention that the fluidity of stock Android is gone because of the unoptimized code in Samsung's implementations.

Project Butter is not real on the S3, I owned one and had it next to my Nexus 4, the difference in smoothness and speed is noticeable.

Even with the N4 downclocked to 1ghz, it easily beats the S3.
[Nexus 4 General] air2k57:
Have both HTC one and nexus 4. HTC is actually on sprint now, I had a chance to get it same day for $99 and get it @$50 a month, figured might as well... Terrible! Not the phone, sprint is... Dialup all over and places it does catch on to lte, it maxed out at like 5mbps and even with full bars, it'd drop lte ending any kind of useful data for music streaming I've had at the gym... It is like that all over.

Anyway, on my nexus I had an issue with service drops. Like is have maybe 3 bars with gaps+, with maybe 10mbps... But the second I try to refresh an app, my data drops all together, or service goes away even. Or if I had my phone in my pocket, it may not have service. And I'm in dc area. I've heard that it is a common issue with a nexus and I tried different radios and roms. Now, doesnt HTC one have a better antenna and would resolve my issues on T-Mobile? Does anybody who had both have any impressions on data performance between the two?
[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
I did read.....I am sure many people can agree that camera and gallery are nicer on S4 that stock, as well as nice addition of toggles in notifications. If you don't like some app.....simply uninstall it, and with Apex you will not even see TouchWiz anywhere but in settings. With different launcher it looks like stock Android for the most part + extra useful TouchWiz settings
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
Just wondering though, as I've owned 2 galaxy phones, the OG S4G and the S2 on both I went custom ROM nearly as soon as I got them running non touch wiz Roms..so if you remain stock and simply run a different launcher like apex, TW is still there in the system though no? So even if its not running, the space is still being used right? I've heard a bunch of complaints about the usable storage on the s4 due to bloat and tw using a bunch. Just curious does the phone run still run smoothly on a 3rd party launcher with tw just laying dormant?
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Full rom with firmware for s4 is something stupid like 1.5gb. Seriously.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
While I could live with that, I can't speak for other carriers but I'm on T-Mobile and I've always felt they murder their handsets with bloatware. Its pretty much the reason I learned to flash phones back when I bought my first non Blackberry smartphone
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Nothing beats Nexus when it comes to aosp. Too many closed source drivers etc....
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
Camera is nicer. Gallery is more barebones than S3/N2 (which was a bit slow to load).

With the point that Touchwiz is just the launcher and settings, it is not.

It's a framework and a collection of applications developed by Samsung as their vision (or lack of) what Android for consumers should be. It's far reaching and it extends over the whole software package that it's running on your phone.

Memory management was a joke in the S3, it was better on the S2. Firmware was heavier and the device itself really needed 2GB to run.

When the dialer and contact apps take 3-5 seconds to load and your available ram is very low you start realizing how bad is it.

And we are talking about a flagship at the time I had it (S3).

Toggles in notifications are nice but we had those in custom roms since a long time ago.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
I like TW but not the launcher

The only problem is the lag and on the s3 UK version, the 1gb ram is not enough.

The s4 is nice but not enough of an upgrade, for me it will be a tossup of note 3 vs nexus 5

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Sent from my right hand, which is surprisingly not busy right now.
[Nexus 4 General] gabo_e30:
Hey guys,

While all of you guys are comparing our nexus to other new flagships I happened to approach this by comparing it to a mid-high end phone... The atrix HD.

The AHD was the phone I had before the N4 and a friend happens to have one. I think that our screen is gorgeous, but today I realized that when comparing it to the color boost from moto the viewing angles and colors are not as rich and amazing. They look really washed out. I got kinda miffed and starting changing the gamma settings to bring out some color in our display but i was still dissapointed. Then I compared the AHD screen to a galaxy s4 with the professional setting /( which is supposed to be the most accurate color reproduction for an amoled ) and they look really similar.

Moto did a good job with that phones screen. Anyone know how to get the color setting of a phone so maybe we can apply it to our N4?
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
It would not matter as they have different displays which would operate with different parameters.

Screen calibration can be done with a custom kernel, which you might have tried.

I'm using Franco Kernel with one of the preset color profiles and it looks very good to me. :) might want to try that, there are a lot of presets, for several tastes.

Edit: Might I add the fact that the default color calibration in N4 is not so good. Google deviated a bit from LG's own calibration. See molesarecoming thread about Mako calibration.
[Nexus 4 General] proxuser:
i had a lot Android Phones yet, N4 is last nexus device i bought!

Battery life on N4 is terrible (you can think whatever you want) i saw changing battery 70,69,68,67 within 5 minutes. lost my all interest for n4 after saw this yesterday. now running little better..

display is clear, but has bad viewing angles. brightness is enough good but on outside you cant see good and read something.. nothing interesting on n4 compare to galaxy nexus.

i will not compare it with any phone, want just to say, best phone yet i had is HTC One S

think 2x if you want to buy N4
[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
I realy cannot relate to any of your issues. With medium usage is get 1,5 days and 2 hrs. screenontime. With heavy usage 14 hours off the charger and 3 to almost 4 hours screenontime. Vieuwing angles are superb with 50 % brightness and using Lux Dash backligh app. Running stock 4.2.2 atm with stock kernel.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
Yeah, I mean as soon as you allowed us to think whatever we wanted to about the n4....I pretty much stopped reading. So, thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] Drtro:
After having it for a few weeks coming from an iPhone 4S.

I haven't noticed any lag. Its actually more smooth than the 4s since I updated to the latest iOS.

Battery is still a concern. I can have it in my pocket all day and its at like 65% by the time I get home around 3PM. Not sure what's going on. I'll try finding something that turns mobile data off when it goes to sleep.

I'm still getting used to the larger feel and typing. I haven't dropped it yet besides a few times sliding off my bed. Still in perfect condition. But the Google Bumper Case sucks. The sides are a bit loose and sometimes when pulling it out of my pocket, one of the corners have slipped off. It also collects a lot of dust, dirt, and hair under the bumper and have to take it off and wipe it about 2-3 times a day.

I give the phone a 8/10. Its not big, its just a little wide with any case on it making it hard to type with one hand. The battery life could be more optimized by Android. And being able to see the digitizer grid when glaring in the sun makes texting annoying.
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
Yep.

For me the N4 is the best device I had.

Had all previous Samsung flagships.
[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
+1 Dito :D

And also i don`t see the point of threads like these, like users need confirmation they have a good phone? ;)
[Nexus 4 General] proxuser:
+1 i agree.

but if no one say anything about their phone issues, or discuss here what do you think how will next generation of phones get better, or how will these issues fixed by devs ?

ok here are a lot battery, color or gamma threads about my issues. these basic issues should not there if we pay for it..

better stay with nexus one or with nokia 3310 regarding your comments.. :laugh: :crying::crying: :D
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
I do not understand what our comments relate to your last statement. We have said that this is a great device, not a flawless one.

You'll hardly find one, and even if you do, it will be surpassed by something else in 3, 6, or N months ahead.

I hardly believe that posting your subjective opinion on xda will help Google to improve the device.

Also, the money argument is moot when you consider the price of this device... for Christ's sake. There is no better alternative at the price unless you are willing to make compromises.
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
Ordered the Nexus 4 and will give my Galaxy S4 to my son once the N4 arrives..

:good: :good: :good: :good:
[Nexus 4 General] Super_Sport:
Owned the SIII before for 4 or 5 months...I was back then coming from HTC one x...I didn't like the SIII that much especially that amoled screen
[Nexus 4 General] Poecifer:
I'll say that I am first and foremost a Windows Phone user but when I held the Nexus 4 in hand, I really felt as though Android might be worth another try. So, comparing it to my Lumia 920.

First of all, the build quality is good but not 920 good. Still totally commendable and honestly, it feels more premium to me than the iPhone. However, any phone that needs a case now feels lame thanks to my Lumia.

Camera, Lumia wins but by a small margin.That's impressive as that's damn near a professional quality camera.

Software, I'll give it to Lumia again just because everything works on every device with Windows Phone 8. I'm having trouble getting so many games running on my Nexus 4...

Screen... Pains me to say this, I prefer the screen on the Nexus 4... Windows Phone is focused on deep blacks and is the only OS that looks better with AMOLED...

Will I be ditching my Lumia? Not a chance, at least not until the next Nokia flagship. However, the Nexus 4 has me carrying two devices.
[Nexus 4 General] ponczoszek:
The only good rival for N4 is the... N4+ or N5 when they will came out J/k. I must admit HTC pulled of hard this time and The one is worth to make a challenge with n4 :D
[Nexus 4 General] Mi|enko:
Currently using both a HTC One and my N4. While I love my N4, the One feels great in hand and takes some damn beautiful pictures. My biggest disappointment in the N4 has been the camera. Much preferred the pics from my GS3 and Note 2 (and now the One) to the N4.
[Nexus 4 General] tiru.adi13:
Does your nexus 4 feel as scratch proof (screen, not back) as your iPhone 4S?

Sent from my |\|€×u$ 4
[Nexus 4 General] Mohit12:
Camera-wise the Lumia wins by a *small* margin? What? Probably the biggest criticism that you could have against the N4 is its camera, and the 920 has the best camera in the world right about now. It has a higher MP count than the HTC one, and takes better low light and even crisper images than the Galaxy S4.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
Galaxy S4 is better than HTC one and lumia 920 in daylight but yeah for low light, lumia 920.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
While I somewhat understand all the camera concern, I still can't help but chuckle at the how so many people nearly will make or break a phone based on it Haha. I had cell phones long before cameras, when they still came in a bag lol. I've had a decent share of the flagship's over the past few years, and the N4 does what I need it to do as far as camera goes, and imagine it does for most too...just feel like people get caught up in the hype machine of this phone takes better this or that phone has this camera feature. I still see people bringing the old MP count talk back, I really thought we got past that with the point and shoot digital boom.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
MP aren't everything but they are not nothing either.

As for picture quality, here is what I think :

(in daylight)

1.Nokia 808

2.Galaxy S4

3. HTC one/lumia 920/Galaxy S3

4..Htc one x

5..Nexus 4

6.Galaxy S2

(night)

1.htc one

2.lumia 920(Very close)

3.Galaxy S4

4.Htc one x

5.Galaxy S3

6.Galaxy S2

7.nexus 4

Also lumia 920 and Htc one have faster shutter speed.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
No its not nothing but damn near it is for any consumer shots, very rare more than 4-5mp in a decent camera is needed for anything larger than a 16x24 print. Doubt many users are making poster or wall size prints. I can show you plenty of enlargements from a 4-megapixel camera that look much sharper and better than ones from an 8-megapixel model. Meanwhile, a camera with more megapixels usually costs more, and its photos fill up your memory card and hard drive much faster. And more densely packed pixels on a sensor chip means more heat, which can introduce speckles into low-light shots. That's why HTC ditched using the MP term, smaller pixels make for crappy pics, they utilized a larger pixel and better sensors with what, the equivalent of a 4mp can in the new phone? I don't disagree I've seen better photos from other phones out there, but from my experience having had most of them, some simply take better point and shoot pics, some clearly have an advantage in low light situations but if somebody is so super concerned about pics from their phone like that I would think a little common sense when taking a shot when its plausible and some post processing shouldn't be that big a deal.
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
This is for everyone that is talking about the "X phone" :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWKl-FeUApA&feature=youtube_gdata_player