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[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
I don't understand your argument.

Case in point: the HTC One X (+) has a 720p display that is _superior_ to the 1080p display in the HTC Butterfly (Droid DNA) in color accuracy, brightness and contrast, and pretty much every metric besides resolution/PPI.

Yes, the mobile resolution race mirrors the megapixel race. Higher-resolution displays with negligible meaningful benefit (e.g. One X -> Butterfly) and actual regression in certain aspects all for the sake of pushing a full HD moniker. Once you reach the magical one arcminute angular subtense (which the Nexus 4 is around) it's not a big deal.

I'd rather have the Adreno 320 on 720p than 1080p anyway. Less than half the pixels with practically identical sharpness at 6"+ away, with all the performance benefits of having to drive less than half the pixels.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Correction, apparently + version had lower quality display than original HOX
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Personally I prefer Jack on top and the way I pull my phone out of my pocket is part of that.. I didn't line that the headphone jack on my old hd7 was on the bottom. Could be that I'm in the minority as I have hands so big I have no problem using the s3 one handed

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[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
What you you honestly use all that extra storage for?
[Nexus 4 General] ava1191:
how about a nexus 4 vs xiaomi mi2 ?? what do you think? because every one says thats the mi2 is better, better camera, better screen, better phone reception. :)
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Maybe, but it doesn't fix two big complaints with regards to the Nexus 4: lack of expandable storage and insufficiently small battery.

And it doesn't support LTE at all.

And it's 1mm thicker, but at least you can remove/replace the battery. Still, removable battery makes lack of expandable storage less forgivable.

And who knows where the Mi2 will wind up when the Mi3 is released?
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
Decided to keep the iphone 5 :eek: the jailbreak does make it a tad better for me. Only down fall is being stuck on the 2g speeds with my carrier. I have no intentions of leaving them soon. Happy with the service and price, could go straight talk for faster data speeds but Ill wait it out to see if they make the switch when tmobile refarms their towers.

Nexus 4 : Sexy phone and fast! Do miss android though, my thinking in next few months I can sell iphone 5 for more and possibly pick up the next gs4 or another high end android. Blackberry is always a choice too. :mad:
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Honestly, games are getting bigger and bigger. even with 12 gb available, a few larger games and a few gigs of music, and a nand backup on your phone.......... your pretty close to maxed.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Yeah, and besides games how else are you supposed to stretch the S4 Pro's legs?

Bard's Tale, Need for Speed, Dead Trigger and Shadow Gun would already leave you at ~4Gb left on a 16GB unit before media or backups...
[Nexus 4 General] thehumble1:
Have the N4 showing up today and am not happy that it's going to have a huge screen with 15% of it spent on three buttons, but the whole package is just too tasty to not go for since I don't pay a carrier phone subsidy charge, so I save $480/year for not having the privilege to pay $300 for a phone that I then pay for every month. The Note 2 is still about $400 + the $480 you pay over 2 years in subsidy costs. That's 880 or almost 3 N4 phones. What it really means is that my $240/line in savings each year is enough to buy a new phone almost every year.

Maybe some people on here have unlimited funds, no children, no mortgage, or just a really high-paying job, but I can't get a SGS III then an iPhone 4s, then an iPhone 5 then a Note 2 then a N4 and then decide which ones I'll sell for a loss and which ones I keep.

But I am upset that the screen is going to burn up so much juice. What I want is a Nexus S that is about twice as thick and lasts a week and has the internal specs of the N4. The problem is that bigger screens means more battery space, so there isn't a real reason to not go big when people don't demand a phone that lasts more than 12 hours.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
True. Hopefully, with the screen resolution standard becoming 1080p and apps using more storage, manufacturers will start being more generous and ship devices with a minimum of 32 gig with memory expansion possibilities. Its great to dream though lol
[Nexus 4 General] dario3040:
15%? Where did you get that number from?

The on-screen keys are 96 pixels tall.

1280 * 0.15 = 192

1280 * 0.075 = 96

That's 7.5%, and you can hide the keys if you want to.
[Nexus 4 General] thehumble1:
Thanks. I guess I was off a bit because I didn't get them from anywhere. The buttons on my other phones take up more than 100% less screen space. And there is room on the bezel below it, though maybe not under the face.
[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
That's probably the only reasonable answer, considering that games can't be played from the cloud on mobile devices yet.

I don't play the larger games and I don't listen to music on my phone, so I guess that's why I'm cool with the lower storage options.

Do you people even research what you're purchasing first? What did you think was going to happen with on-screen buttons - that they'd be below the screen?
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Personally I like the on screen buttons. Means I can run a custom Rom like aokp or cyanogenmod and modify them.
[Nexus 4 General] AK4TAY7BEN:
Exactly! On screen buttons can be customized and removed. They also rotate when in landscape and provide a sleeker look to the phone :)
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
What I dont understand is that why its not possible to make that for example when playing games or watching videos this part of the screen would be also used for the gaming and video as the app itself already has a back button to quit the application. Now we loose some of the screen estate to the buttons.
[Nexus 4 General] zellleonhart:
Hmm pie controls in Paranoid Android ROM is already doing that, it doesn't use the screen estate at all, only overlay when you want it to come out. Not all full screen apps or games have their own back button.

Sent from my very paranoid and harsh Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] cobyman7035:
Take a note to have 10 hours battery life on a custom ROM right

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[Nexus 4 General] nightf0x:
If I can get a galaxy S3 $80 cheaper than the Nexus 4 would it still be worth to go for Nexus 4? I do like how the nexus will always be up to date but S3 has plenty of development going for it also so I'm not sure.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
That's subjective. I've only got 5hrs with data always on and Google now off
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
For that price the S3 is a better buy, although only you can decide how much you value having the latest version of android as soon as it comes out.
[Nexus 4 General] magus57:
Nexus 4 or Note 2?

I currently have a GSM Samsung Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile (can't switch carriers), and I have an opportunity (through a friend) to get a Nexus 4 for $350 (about $40 cheaper than Google for me due to tax/shipping) or a Note 2 for $475. I don't really have the option to wait even a month for a new phone in this situation, unless its for the next <$400 Nexus phone and I stick with my Galaxy Nexus until then...which, aside from wanting a better camera and multitasking ability, I could probably deal.

The Note 2 has three things going for me with the Note 2 are screen size, battery life, and camera quality (I've heard the latter two are better than the Nexus 4). I don't care about microSD or removable battery or S-Pen, and I don't mind Touchwiz, but I really dislike the cheap/plastic/gloss construction on the Note 2. I do like the accessories available (such as the smart dock). One thing that's kinda important to me is Apt-X, since I'll be getting a compatible adapter to turn my regular headphones into Bluetooth ones, and having better audio quality is definitly a plus. The difficulty in getting tethering to work without a plan puts me off, though.

I'm careful with my phones and have never dropped or scratched them, so the fragility of the Nexus 4 is fine. I like the wireless charging of the Nexus 4, although I don't have a pad yet. I'd probably prefer the brightness of the LCD than SAMOLED colors personally.

If it really comes to it, I can get my bigger screen "fix" with the upcoming Galaxy Tab 3 or Note 8, assuming either supports phone/text like the international Galaxy Tab 2, maybe even sell my old laptop and have some money to spare.

Anyway - thoughts? I don't know if I'm leaning toward the Nexus 4 based mostly on price.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Note 2 for $475 without a contract extension? That's a pretty smoking deal.

Battery life on my Note 2 is around double what I was getting with my Nexus 4.

The only reasons I switched to the Note 2 were for the expandable storage and battery life.
[Nexus 4 General] trainerKEN:
How do you hide the keys?
[Nexus 4 General] juicyjones:
I hate the Note 2 so I obviously already voted with my wallet for the Nexus 4. YMMV.
[Nexus 4 General] Tyler DeLarge:
Nexus4 vs Asus Padfone 2 vs Droid DNA vs Note 2 vs LG Optimus G?

aaa Nexus4 lose
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Why?
[Nexus 4 General] 3UR0TR45H:
IMO, no device can compete with a Nexus device. They are the epitome of the Google experience and they know what they're doing with the hardware as well as the software. They aren't for everyone, and for me, that's part of the appeal. I won't have a GS3 like everyone else (and their mommy.)
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Yes. The $3 is a good phone, no doubt about it, but it's just like the iPhone now. People just want to have one to look cool, whereas normal people don't know what a nexus is so there is no status symbol douchery associated with it.
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
I think that Nexus is actually that phone. At least with more nerdy people. It is hard to get and if you say for example here at XDA that you have a Nexus then its kinda like an ego booster while SGS3 gets blamed for being plastic **** (even if its actually a good phone)

And I think that SGS3 is way too ugly looking to ever be "a new iphone" Nexus on the other hand is that pretty but the lack of marketing makes it such a never heard device.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
I disagree. S3 is the new iPhone for sure.
[Nexus 4 General] dhiral.v:
No matter what device I've had, you just can't beat a Nexus device in terms of Software. There are other phones out there which look nice and attractive but no other phone will have the same developer support as a Nexus device and I love vanilla android out of the box, all other propriety overlays are really horrible and slow down the phone, especially Samsungs Touchwiz or whatever they call it now. Ok I do wish that the Nexus had a SD expansion and maybe a removable battery would have been nice but these are the things I can live with. The Nexus 4 being so reasonably priced off contract makes it a no brainier for me.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
Isn't that paradoxical?

The Nexus clearly isn't competitive enough if the Galaxy handsets are dominating it in sales. Of course I understand that this is mostly due to cross-carrier availability and carrier agreements, plus the tendency for the average consumer to willingly lock themselves into contracts.

Google arguably does not know what they're doing with the hardware at all. Hardware isn't Google's core business and the Play Store's historical supply issues and questionable logistics are evidence of that. The Nexus 4 is the first Nexus with "flagship"-level specifications since the Nexus One.

The differentiation mentality is in my opinion the argument that completely lacks substance and might even be construed as immature. Why wouldn't you want your handset to be popular? If the Nexus 4 were sold on all carriers with contract agreements and had high adoption rates, development and aftermarket support would be even better than it is now. The HTC HD2 was a "legendary" phone that exemplified that compelling hardware with great sales/popularity only means good things -- it had/has the most development of any device on XDA (in fact almost twenty times all of the Nexus devices combined -- including the tablets!).

I agree that the Galaxy S3 is ugly but the substance is there and the development community is great thanks to its popularity.
[Nexus 4 General] uploder:
I have to agree with this. The amount of people Ive seen and heard speaking of the GS3. Its IDENTICAL to what normal users say about any iphone device.Kind of reminds me of a spoof vid I saw right before the iphone 5 came out. they stopped regular people on the street and asked them to try the new iphone5 when in reality it was a 4s (most people doing the on the spot reviews had a 4s as well). Hilarity insued. Dont get me wrong I dont bash the iphone or Gs3, its just not for me.
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
For me s3 is that iPhone many years ago when it was not stale and was the best smartphone.:rolleyes:

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[Nexus 4 General] 3UR0TR45H:
My point is this: Google built the nexus 4 to be a showcase for Android and it is. It shouldn't be mainstream because most people don't care. It doesn't have to have the highest specs because the point is to be the flagship of Android OS, not phone hardware or design. Nexus phones have always had a clean aesthetic, just like Google software. Google designed this device to be their ideal Android experience...it is.
[Nexus 4 General] friend'scatdied:
I just don't understand the implied resentment against the GS3 due to its popularity -- it's a good phone. The sentiment seems to be one shared by a number of people and I just don't get why it's a bad thing.
[Nexus 4 General] DutchDisturbed:
I think Google has developed a brilliant phone for an awesome price that is yet to be matched. There's always bigger and better somewhere, but I'm just ridiculously happy with this device :D

Regarding Samsung? Blegh! Too many troubles due to bad hardware... Specs over quality. Can't imagine buying a phone from them in the near future...

Verstuurd van mijn Nexus 4 met Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 General] 3UR0TR45H:
I wasn't ragging on the GS3 at all. It's a great phone and people love it, myself included. In fact, I've seen way more GS3 than iPhone 5 in the wild. However, I think that touchwiz is junk and my first order of business with that phone would be flashing something AOSP.

The GS3 is the most popular phone right now and we can all be thankful because it's moving people away from the iPhone. I'm glad it's a Samsung and not a Nexus. The Nexus line should be as pure and exclusive as possible...and stay off the radar so true enthusiasts can actually buy one!
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I don't resent the S3, nor do I despise the iPhone particularly (although Apple themselves are a different story). I'd rather have a less mainstream device for my personal use though.
[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
The only thing I have against the Galaxy S III and the Note 2 is Samsung's lackluster support of the development community. Sources take forever to be released.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Same could be said of HTC too.
[Nexus 4 General] D4rk50ul:
Considering I've always worked on and used minimalistic ROMs it's only natural to get a phone that had one built in. So far I have no reason to even flash this thing.

This is the Ferrari with one seat inside, a roll cage, and lexan windows. If I wanted the leather interior and dashboard computer I would have bought a different device.
[Nexus 4 General] Skybichou:
My girlfriend has the note 2, it's a terrific phone but I prefer my nexus 4.

In hand the materials are nice, it feels good! and the colors are better on the screen!

Envoyé depuis mon Nexus 4 avec Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 General] cobyman7035:
I would have loved to have samsung make the n4

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[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
Nicely put, the F40 Competizione of phones. I think I'd give up my Nexus 4 for an F40 though :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] coolqf:
How would it be better? The Samsung nexus and galaxy nexus had OK build quality
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
It would doubtless be more durable, but it would be fugly and feel cheap. And probably have buggy eMMC that would randomly brick. No thanks :victory:
[Nexus 4 General] OniV2:
HTC is even worse - they're pretty much going backwards, and refusing to release sources entirely.
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
I think I'd be willing to buy an HTC Nexus device, but I'd never buy another retail HTC device with S-On bootloader. That's why my HOX is bricked, I think it would be pretty simple to fix if it was S-Off and you could write a new, non-overlapping partition table to the eMMC. They do make nice hardware though.
[Nexus 4 General] coolqf:
Or we could keep the Google and lg relationship. It is a great phone :)
[Nexus 4 General] Azurael:
It is indeed. Less glass next time though, I love the design of the HOX - it just feels really durable, whilst not looking cheap like other plastic devices.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I wouldn't say that. Ill say they are both great in their own ways. But stock android right now kicks any OEM UI' ass.
[Nexus 4 General] vista1984:
using att note 2 now. but I will share the thoughts when I was choosing n4 and note 2.

n4's cons are lte battery, storage.

note 2's are non google brand and more expensive, plastic feel. or size too large for someone,

I like lte speed so, I stay with att. and I was able to get note 2 on $199 without activation.

note 2 is great but I know I will still want and buy the nexus 4 in coming months. depends on how android 5 rocks, and if att lte can work on n4.
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
k I ordered the Nexus 4. Good thing it came back in stock or else I would of spend $720 for the Maxx.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
You do realize this phone doesn't work on Verizon tho right?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
i'm from canada and i'm using rogers. I was planning to get the Maxx HD from somewhere to use it in Canada.

Hope it's more future proof that the Maxx HD. (fking 7-8 weeks shipping.)
[Nexus 4 General] DLFB:
That how I feel about the N4. Mind you I'm coming from a Nexus S.

God I miss on how solid iPhones are.

Is there a security app that would still run the GPS if the thief shuts off the phone?

Can be a positive thing.
[Nexus 4 General] myorks1127:
I am coming from a Galaxy S Blaze which during it's time (Galaxy S2 era) was fast,solid and basically mini version of the S2 almost exact hardware but a 4 inch screen and better battery life. At the time i was thinking coming from a Motorola DEFY which had a puny 3.5 screen(Iphone size lol) that a 4 inch would be as big as I would want making me choose the Blaze over the S2. I was soon regretting that decision realizing I craved an even bigger screen but by that time did not have an upgrade for the S3 and would have needed to wait until 2014 for that to come/ I will cancel and move to ATT from T-Horible and can't wait for that day. Then I heard about the N4 being released and after about a minute of deliberating I had to have it. After being a part of the first orders and a 2 week back order i finally got it and totally love it! No flaws at all besides the slight rattle when shaking the phone but I have never shaken a phone in my life before that, just had to test out of curiosity. The screen is great and I would not want anything bigger than this. I was wary when ordering about the sealed battery and no SD slot but honestly you will not have a memory problem if you use Google music for example and do not store tons of games or movies on your phone. Overall this phone smokes anything I have used before and I am loving the stock android feel instead of touch wiz.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
I keep flip flopping with the lumia 920 I have. I cannot decided which I will keep, however im still waiting on the nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] DLFB:
Honestly, I would've chosen the 920 if N4 did not exist at all.

The app selection on Apple/Android tramples whatever Windows have right now.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
its a good phone, overhyped camera for daytime photos, and random battery drain. Only thing that makes me iffy is loosing my LTE connection. However, in theory i shouldnt be that worried as im on a limited plan and really only use data for forum browsing via tapatalk and pandora.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I have someone who wants to trade his 32 gig iphone 5 with my nexus 4. Im kind of tempted to do it and buy the nexus 4 later this month. What should i do? (Just considering the value of a 32gig iPhone 5 for future resale)
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
If u dont think you'll miss the nexus for a month or two.. or three then sure, you'd make some cash on it.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Lol you're right it will be at least a couple of months. I do think the nexus is a much, very much better phone for me but I can survive with an iPhone 5. Ill buy the nexus and wait for it and later on sell the iphone 5 and get the next HTC flagship or Samsung's while keeping the nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] sonnyg85:
My mom got the iPhone 5 and Yea give it were credit due good build quality, screen nice but a little weird ratio but I got the nexus 4 and I think if you just set up a stock nexus 4 it can be just as simple iOS in alot ways but that my opinion and every body has there personal preference that what choices are great and competition is great only make other devices better
[Nexus 4 General] snowmanwithahat:
Truth... It's extremely annoying putting my Nexus S in a cupholder and having the headphone jack on bottom. The first and foremost reason I run a non stock ROM right now is because of 360 degree rotation (on an old GB rom) for that reason right there.

I'm excited for the Nexus 4. I have a couple more weeks before mine comes in but I can't wait.
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
I did the same thing, traded my nexus 4 16gb for a 32gb iphone 5. Would recommend it, iphones typically have higher resale values than androids. If you are planning on selling it then go for it, if daily use its a personal choice. I'm probably going to keep mine for awhile.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Thanks for the input. I'm gonna keep the iphone 5 until later next year and still sell it at a good price then. But ill order another nexus 4 also cause i love the phone, just doing a strategic move :D
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
Good choice, you could probably be able to trade the iphone 5 for a galaxy s4 once that comes out next year. Iphone's from what I've seen maintain the highest resale values on craigslist.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I traded my N4 with an iPhone 5. Will order another N4 next week and wait for it to come while I use this iPhone. I've only had it for a few hours, I always prefer android over IOS but I cannot lie, the iPhone 5 has some pros that I really like. So here are things that I know are better on each phones:

Nexus 4 has a BETTER OS, more customizable, INCREDIBLE multitasking, widgets, access to quick settings. Better overall keyboard with swype, better notification handling, far less expensive, root, Roms, kernels and all that good stuff, bigger screen.

IPhone 5 has LIGHTNING FAST web browsing ( seriously it blew me away), sound quality is RIDICULOUSLY great, both speakers and headphones, really kicks the N4's ass in that regard, overall better build quality and choice of materials and apps are more optimized and feel more premium in the iPhone 5.

both have their cons but the pros make the cons not that big of a deal. I prefer the N4 overall but I really enjoy listening to music on the iPhone 5, the sound is really really superb. ( I commute and listen to music all the time so it's a pretty big deal for me). Cheers!