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[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
First impressions on N4 vs S4

I think S4 is a much better phone, screen is amazing, speaker is clear and loud, built quality is great, camera is outstanding, some very nice phone features are not even available on N4....like multi-window, wifi-calling, camera software, etc.

It does come pretty bloated, stock ROM is like 1.6Gb. But the good news is that you can debloat it yourself or just use custom ROM. This way you don't have any TW bull and still can use some great features that it gives you.

Phone design is also good, TW has the ability to turn off backlight on soft buttons and phone looks very clean just like N4, I use LMT Launcher to navigate. S-View cover works, don't know how reliable they are, if it lasts long time then 60-70 bucks is reasonable..... For me its 3 in 1, a stand (only works on like a carpet, bed, etc), screen protector, and just a new way of taking phone calls and unlocking the phone (yes, you can unlock and lock phone with s-view because it has some sensor inside)

And best of all I sold my 8GB N4 for $340 shipped
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
The one thing I miss about my S3 and the one thing I HATE about the N4 is the camera.

It sucks.
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
$299 phone -v- $639 phone..
[Nexus 4 General] ninjafan:
You can't do better than a nexus 4 for the money.
[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
true, didnt hurt me that much though. after all calculations i am only paying like $10 bucks extra per month for 15 months (sold N4 and sort of got $10 service discount per month)
[Nexus 4 General] cobyman7035:
I don't think I've taken a pic on nex4 yet lol

Google Voice via my r72 NeXus⁴ using XDA Premium
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Take one indoors in a low-light setting (not dark mind you, just not very bright) and watch the frustration as you capture fuzzy grainy ****ty pics
[Nexus 4 General] aeoveu:
Take it with HDR on and see the wonders!

Sent from my upgraded mini tractor.
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
If camera quality is the most important factor maybe you should sell the N4 and pick up a Galaxy S4 or an HTC One?
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
So because I made a realistic statement about the poor low-light ability of the N4 camera, you tell me to sell it and buy another phone?

You Nexus fan boys are friggin irritating as hell. I sold my S3 to get the N4 because there are many more important features to me than the camera. Don't presume to know what I need or want, you sound like a isheep with that crap they do the same thing when someone complains about the iphone

Jesus it's like you built the N4 yourself and get all butt hurt from the truth about it's weaknesses.

Grow a pair or take the truth with a spoonful of sugar or something since you can't handle it straight.
[Nexus 4 General] nigelw:
All phone cameras struggle in low light, small sensor, tiny aperture and plastic low quality lens usually covered in fingerprints.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Yes, except some much worse than others.
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
Wow.. Such anger because I made a real suggestion to you?

Anger management my man.. Seek it!

It's whack-a-doodles like you that make coming to XDA not very enjoyable at times..

My statement is true. If a camera is the most important factor to you then get a phone with a better camera. Is it really that hard?

Maybe you enjoy acting like a child on the internet over a phone and maybe stress is your friend but to bust a vein like you did above over a phone tells me you have more serious issues to attend to other than a phone camera..

My .02

Edit to add:

Get an HTC One >> Unlock bootloader >> Root >> Install CM 10 = Better camera and your internet tantrums are over.

This means happy happy joy joy for those of us who don't care to read your childish posts.. :good:
[Nexus 4 General] OhNoRoK:
Was testing the camera vs my fiancés DNA and it isn't even close. The DNA was better all around, color, clarity and speed. If you want a good camera... buy a camera!
[Nexus 4 General] Baasi:
For taking snapshots the N4 cam is good enough, i do not see much difference between my "old" N7100, HTC One X or iphone 4s. Of course with good daylight. So my opinion. For all other photos (panorama, holiday, party) i have my Panasonic digicam. :D
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
In very good lighting the N4 is very decent and capable, in any other lighting it's very very poor regardless of what anyone says. Focus issues, ISO issues, whatever it's poor but I don't mind. I've got a DSLR with few lenses and also a compact S95 with manual controls. I don't rely on phone captures so doesn't bother me and I know it will for some and to those I'd recommend something else other than a Nexus if the camera is their main priority.
[Nexus 4 General] N10AP:
At the end of the day it is insane to knock the N4. What else are you going to get for £279 or £239 with these specs? NOTHING. That`s what. Go on, take a look boys and girls...

Whats the bleedin point in a thread like this? We all bought our N4`s because we are hackers, flashers and experimenters, so why knock the weak points? If you aren`t happy because you can`t see every individual skin cell in pitch-black conditions with the N4 camera, then sell the damn thing and get a galaxy camera.

As for the battery, three solutions exist...

1) Don`t use it

2) Take your charger with you if you are away for an extended period of time

3) Try juice-defender or make a tasker profile to save battery

I`d sooner buy two N4`s, one for me and my wife rather than pay for a (very good) expensive S4. I been down the HTC route. Them clowns give you 3 or 6 months support before dropping you like a hot potato when they release the new flagship, leaving you to keep your own device upto date by s-off / flashing / XDA etc

Seriously... Everyone who is knocking the N4... Do us all a favour and sell it and get something else, because to complain about a device at this price, you appear as frankly, ungrateful. Yes UNGRATEFUL. Spend £500 instead on something "better"...

Tsk tsk
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Seriously bro, the immaturity was evident when I made a general comment that the quality of the camera is sub-par and you're response was for me to sell my phone. Stop taking the truth about the N4 personally and live with the facts that it performs poorly. There's no anger going on here, the hilarity of your "I'm too sensitive to deal with a negative reality about the N4" is what my comment was about.

It's like you think everyone should worship every aspect of the phone or sell it. Pathetic
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
That's true of nearly every smartphone. Nearly no smartphone can produce sharp photos in such settings. The only one that maybe can is that Nokia smartphone with that 40somethingmp camera. Besides, what did you expect with a smartphone that costs about half the price of its competitors?
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
I guess I expected it to at least match the quality of two phones ago when I had the S2.

But I'm not upset just disappointed. The rest of the phone is top-notch IMO so it's a small price to pay for the deal we got on the N4. Still something that bugs me.. I was taking pictures of my daughters B-Day and none of them came out good at all, very frustrating. I mean I should be able to at least capture the moment without it being complete garbage just because I'm indoors. Just my opinion.
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
I don't know...I've gotten some very decent photos indoors. Sure, they're not the sharpest, but they're not the worst. I guess everyone has their own standards on what they'd consider a good photo. The N4's camera is much better than my previous phones'.
[Nexus 4 General] duckied:
Its is because phone camera has a smaller sensor and lacking ISO which makes it grainy. With proper lighting it does a decent job but that also with regular point and shoot cameras.
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Yes with good lighting the camera takes (dare I say) stunning photos. Outside it's just as good as the S2/S3, but indoors it's crap IMO.

Also the auto focus seems buggy as hell
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
Yawn.. Guess kindergarten class got out early today..

Added to ignore list.. Thanks XDA for giving us that feature! :good: :) :good: :)
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
The cam on the nexus 4 is crap. Period. Not just photos, 1080p is miserable. Not even close to the s3 that i used for 4 months.

I'd just like to add before any childish comments from google sheeps (sadly google spoiled us and now a part of our nexus community is just as blinded as typical isheeps), that i'm a nexus/vanilla android hardcore fan, but i admit that the camera on the nexus 4 is a compromise that we all agreed to accept upon buying this phone. And YES, camera is nowadays one of the main features on smartphones, it's nice to be able to capture certain moments in good quality, you don't always get to have a dslr with you (especially when you go mountainbiking for example).

and NO, i won't sell my phone and get a samsung or htc just bcoz the cam on my phone is shi**y ( at least i'm objective about it).
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
I think people expect way too much of cell phone cameras.

I'm not saying I want a garbage 2005 cell phone camera, but yet I couldn't care less if they don't take full on digital camera pictures.
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
The comparison is not between cell phone cams and non-cell phone cams. The comparison is between the ability of the cam on the nexus 4 vs the cams on other phones (s3 for example which is a 6months older phone, note2, droid dna, not to mention the old s2).

But you guys when you're left without arguments, you always take the discussion to another place and out of it's context.. "Cell phone cams cannot be compared to dslr's" bla bla bla...gotta keep trollin'

But anyways, keep brainstorming for excuses, coz you're running out of them ^^
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
I don't think people dispute the fact that the camera is not the greatest. What I do agree on is that buying a nexus phone comes with the fact that you are not buying a powerhouse to compete with the S4 or the One, your buying googles developer phone to do just that. Develop. If Google got into the camera business I'll bet their phones would have better cameras on them. But until then it probably won't be the best hardware on the market and people should understand that. Is it bad? No. Is it the best? Not that either. However, show me a 299 dollar HTC or samsung with a better camera.
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
Not "worthy" of the Nexus name? Really? Hell, both the Nexus One and the Nexus S had pretty bad cameras. The Nexus line in general has had average to below average cameras. In the history of Nexus, the Nexus 4 does have the best camera. Now, compared to $500+ phones, is it in the same league in terms of quality? No, of course not. There are reasons why the Nexus 4 costs between $299-$300 and its competitors cost $500+. Putting in a higher quality sensor would raise the price; that's not what Google wants. Google wants to prove you can have a great smartphone with a good camera at a very low price. Were they to add a sensor that matches the iPhone 5, Lumia 920, and Galaxy S4, do you really think Google would be able to sell it at the price it's currently at now? No. The Nexus 4 has a good camera; not bad and not great. Just good.
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
Google sells the phone at a very small profit (nexus 4 costs ~250$ to build) since it relies on profits from other sources (ads, google services, playstore content etc...) , that's why lg sells the phone for $500+ in the rest of the world.

If you're opinion that google intentionally put a-as you called it- lower quality sensor to maintain a lower price (although the international lg pricing proves this theory wrong), then you're just confirming my point from an earlier post, that the camera on the nexus 4 is a compromise (that we all accepted upon buying this phone, and which gives us the right to say it was a poor job).

@ the guy above you: To say that the nexus line was never about the best hardware(powerhouse), s4 pro + 2gb RAM tell me different.

You guys need a lot of reading and informing to do before getting into a discussion. No hard feelings. Take care
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Thanked you by accident. The user in question wasn't moaning, he actually gave a constructive breakdown. Camera on N4 is below par, that's a fact. So I'm afraid he's right, you are acting immature on this occasion.

Not exactly. Users just expect best of what's available, that's all.

People, even Google themselves admitted cameras on Nexus line so far have been so so, and they promised to concentrate their effort on it. So what's all the argument about? Looks like fan boys vs people that see things realistically.

Sent from my sandwich maker. Make: LG Model: N⁴
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
people please don't get dragged in , hopefully the mod will prevent another useless discussion with ^^ guy
[Nexus 4 General] M_T_M:
Thread closed for clean up...take your bickering to PM...please

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[Nexus 4 General] M_T_M:
Reopened. ...no more arguing:cool:

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[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
Thank you to M_T_M for the thread cleaning! :good:

Back on topic.

I bought the HTC One on release day and paid full price ($599) for it. In 12-days I went through 3 devices due to hardware defects. The defects were not minor and the device, at release at least, had serious QC issues.

The HTC One had a better screen, a better camera for low-light photos and HTC Sense was bearable.. I liked Blink Feed a lot but decided that for $600 the phone was a disappointment mainly because of the QC of the build quality.

Returned it for the Galaxy S4. Purchased the S4 at full price $639 and liked it well enough. The camera is better for outdoor photos and the screen was better. The S4 fails with the amount of crapware / junkware that comes pre-loaded. TW is also pretty cartoon'ish and the navigation is horrible..

HTC One $599

Galaxy S4 $639

Nexus 4 $299

Overall the N4 is a beast! For the price, it really can't be beat! It has it minuses and while the camera may be one of them, it's a useable camera. The screen is not as nice as the One and the S4 but I would not expect it to be when it retails at half the cost.

Expectations play a big role and anyone who expects a $600 phone for $300 is not being very realistic in my opinion..

In the past month I have had the 3 top hot phones (One, S4, Nexus 4) and the N4 wins easily for me.

Add to the fact that I have an extra $300 in my pocket and I will take the N4 and it's perceived faults (real or not) all day, every day.

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[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
I just seen a video on G+ feed today with a few issues I was really surprised to see on the S4, a weird bezel issue were the band going around the phone seperates, WiFi issues with some routers which I guess happens, a weird headphone jack issue that doesn't allow you to play at a certain volume with freaking out, and the big one was about extreme overheating while gaming...literally like 20 minutes of gaming.
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
I didn't have any of those issues with my S4 (my son is now using it) but I did have serious lag before the most recent AT&T OTA update.

That update fixed most of the lag. Can't say about heat when gaming because I never gamed on it. My son has not complained about heat either.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
Yeah I mean most of us seem to have had the flagships, so we normally understand that all phones have some anomalies and weird hiccups when they bare launched. I just figured relevant to mention as I've seen may take about the S4 but rarely do I hear any issues about it other than the occasional pre-update UI lag.

https://plus.google.com/113385956777514004917/posts/JYrZQ2xd2iw
[Nexus 4 General] i9100g user:
How about this?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s4-google-edition-rumored/
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
Interesting 'rumor' but I think it depends on the price.

A pure android S4 is NOT worth twice the price of a Nexus 4 IMHO..
[Nexus 4 General] tiru.adi13:
Well said dude

Sent from my |\|€×u$ 4
[Nexus 4 General] raqball:
Ya they just announced it..

$649 = PASS

There is NO way it's worth twice as much as the N4!
[Nexus 4 General] facetubespam:
The way I looked at this announcement was that Google knows what they are doing. They are giving a Nexus device with removable battery and SD card to those people who have been whining about their need for one.

But by pricing this at Samsung's ridiculous price, they also know that the smart people will choose the Nexus 4 to save money and still get the same experience, thus giving the people choices, but also ensuring that the Nexus brand isn't killed off by a more expensive choice.

Basically saying that "Here, have all the stuff you complained about and pay the price for it."
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
aka false illusion of choice.
[Nexus 4 General] gazoo2010:
At $649.00 its only $20 more than you would pay for the TMO S4 at their new uncarrier pricing ($149.00 down +$20 for 24 months = 480. 480 + 149 = $629)....

~S
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
Well if Google offered financing for it, fine.

But $649, nope.
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
i think the S4-google edition is worth double the nexus 4 value, for the following reasons:

- superior display. basically, any 1080p display vs nexus's 720p (with stock caliberation) is a clear mismatch.

- more storage

- slight processor boost (higher clock + faster memory channel)

- bigger battery

- LTE (for those who care about it)

- removable battery (for those who care about it)

- 2 or 3x better camera , both video and pics

google definitely spoiled you US users with pricing standards, in most EU countries (where purchasing directly from the playstore is not possible) and the rest of the world we're used to pay such amounts for our phones, now, if this was not a USA-only device, instead of paying €500+ for a nexus 4, we'd get an aosp S4 in a blink.
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
Google did not "spoil" US users with its pricing model. The cost of all these phones from HTC to Samsung to LG to manufacture is relatively the same. The largest difference in any smartphone's price is the profit margin they wish to obtain. Do you honestly think there is $300 worth of tech in the S4 over the N4?
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
Profit is not calculated only by the worth of tech. research investment, marketing and advertising, legal issues (registrations etc...) are also part of the price. That said, i definitely think that 99% of devices are overpriced, especially when you add taxes (which believe me are crazy in EU). A piece of hardware that costs 250$ to build , should be in the price range of 500-550$ , not 700-750$ as it's the case now.
[Nexus 4 General] corwest:
Right that's kind of my point. People who are buying the S4 are paying for say, Samsung's massive marketing budget more than they are probably paying for the tech in the phone itself. They are paying for sammys overhead is what it boils down to.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
We are definitely spoiled by the nexus 4 price. Everyone jaw dropped when the N4 price was announced cause it is so affordable.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
Agreed.

The post tutor should have been Nexus 4 verses any other phone for the same price.. There is nothing that comes close unless you spend another $300 or more..

Sent from my shiny new(bought last Nov), scratch less Nexus 4!
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I'll definitely give serious consideration to buying one if they come to New Zealand. I'm not concerned about cost, S4 hardware with bug free Nexus experience is the best of both worlds so far as I'm concerned.

Sent from the mighty Note II
[Nexus 4 General] xman_here:
Once white Nexus 4 running Android 4.3 comes out on June 10th it will be interesting to compare original Nexus 4 running Android 4.2. OS and color will bring forth many interesting comparisons.
[Nexus 4 General] THEindian:
Why would the original nexus 4 be running 4.2? lol
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
Now that the white nexus4 is (almost) confirmed, it would be silly from google and lg to just give a color option after 7months, this white one must have something additional, bigger storage and lte are now very probable. who knows, a better camera also wouldn't hurt(although i doubt it).
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
With the way rumors have run rampant lately, seems of any of the upgrades were true we would have at least heard some mention of it by now. I'm fairly sure this is simply a cosmetic change, LTE is not gonna happen, I haven't seen any mention of it filing appropriately with FCC.
[Nexus 4 General] bchildress:
vs HTC One

I have both and am planning to sell the Nexus 4 - I like all the extras of the HTC One - Stereo, low light camera, TV remote are high on my list and my Nexus 4 hasn't gotten any updates that I know or care about.
[Nexus 4 General] ANRTech:
N4 or S3?

So I'm having a hard time choosing between the N4 and the S3. Price is not a problem since they're both 400$ in my country (sucks for N4, good for S3). I have to admit that I think I like the premium feel of the N4, stock android experience and a slightly better performance. On the other side the S3 is still very good with it's display, better camera. BUT the biggest difference is the RAM. Is having a 2GB of RAM be a good reason to choose N4 over the S3? I'm also hesitating about the fact that the price is the same, which in case S3 is a great choice because it's a more "expensive" device back then. But of course that's just only a number, what I really need to know is which one is better?

Yes, I read some parts of this thread. But those posts about S3 and N4 are months old and I think my question is reasonable again. And don't suggest more expensive phones, don't have the money to buy those. Thanks
[Nexus 4 General] Vrael007:
If you like to listen to music and have a huge library and want to have a couple of movies on the go then the s3 otherwise the nexus is the best.
[Nexus 4 General] ANRTech:
Thanks. Can you be more detailed? How is the nexus better than the S3?
[Nexus 4 General] hamad138:
If u not root nexus 4 has a horrible screen and battery.

With root its good
[Nexus 4 General] Mantulis:
Cute :rolleyes:

None of your points is true.
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
S3 has better battery and camera.

Nexus 4 is faster, has double the amount of ram, has a better chipset, build quality and developer support. It definitely feels more premium and way more expensive than the S3.

All the S3 owners that have tested my N4 tell me mine is way faster.

Despite being a flagship, the S3 is crippled by terrible ram management, Touchwiz being too heavy and 1GB.

Also you will never have a completely functional AOSP rom on the S3, Samsung does not release the proper sources.

All of the above assuming the 9300 international version. I owned it before the N4 and wouldn't come back.
[Nexus 4 General] xboxfanj:
Unless you like touch wiz better or want removable battery and SD, the nexus is better in almost all respects: better architecture, better dev support (Exynos is hard to develop for due to Samsung's terrible sources and or lack thereof), more ram as you said, which could be really important later on as the OS gets more resource demanding. Exynos typically has a lot of bugs on aosp due to Samsung's lack of support. For awhile, they had no hardware acceleration, which could happen again if there's a major android update. If you plan to sell it later, the S3 may be worth more though.
[Nexus 4 General] ANRTech:
Thanks :good: Camera is really a big deal to me followed by performance. But as long as I can't find those 2GB'd quad S3's, I'll definitely buy the n4. Now I'm actually excited about the customization on the N4 lol

Thanks. At first I'm more onto S3, but having heard of those completely changed my mind. Well I think storage will not be an issue for me. True a gig of ram will definitely be a problem in the near future. And by the way, no I'm not planning to sell it very early. I'll be keeping it for at least a year or 2 (financially speaking, lol)