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[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
lol you might get flamed our called a troll for that but I feel what you say lol that's why I'm on the s3, it has all the extra toucgwiz features, made it easier to make the transition from ios/windows phone as smooth as jelly bean:p

I understand the love for the nexus as it's the pure android experience and I yearn to try one out but as a daily driver tw suits me for the reasons you mentioned. I phone no longer does it for me but for people who just want a simple device for enjoying not modding, that and wp8 are good options. even the s3 takes some setting up (getting a decent launcher, keyboard, useful widgets, make everything look clean and simple while being functional takes a lot of time as md I enjoy that time but others just don't want the bother.

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[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I didnt come from a nexus S but I can tell you for sure that you cannot compared them, its another league.
[Nexus 4 General] Pheno.menon:
Headphone jack on the bottom makes no sense.. 99% of the time I am plugging in my phone in the car and it is much nicer to have a jack on top in this case.

Transmission sent from my Galaxy Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] nokkenas:
It only made sense if you put your phone inside your pocket.
[Nexus 4 General] dknotty:
which is what 99% of people do :cowboy:
[Nexus 4 General] xchasa:
???

Do phones even have a preferred way to sit in a pocket.

"No no, not right way up. Get me out douche".
[Nexus 4 General] mi7chy:
Guess I'm that 1% who puts in it bottom down.
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Very well said
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
I agree,

I was never really content with android, I probably have been through 30 plus phones mainly the higher end Tmobile phones through selling/trading. Started with the Nexus one and its just grew from there, I do miss that glowing trackball :victory: . Always felt the need to improve the phone through rooting, custom roms, and other tweaks. Yes its a fun hobby but just not for me.

IOS its locked down, till a jailbreak but you can tweak alittle with the jailbreak. Which I may eventually do, but for now Iphone 5 is a soild device and the screen I;m liking it even thought the aspect ratio is a tad off.

If you want to tweak and customize your phone on a daily basis and constantly check for rom updates: Nexus 4 is the one for you

IOS: daily driver, not much need for updates
[Nexus 4 General] Peyman_dinani:
Yes and no. Its about the natural way we handle smartphones. Of course it is easier to put the phone in your pocket with headphone jack on the bottom of it. Unless you handle your phone different than most people.
[Nexus 4 General] ben_pyett:
Spouting your filth over here :p;)
[Nexus 4 General] Nigel Tufnel:
Yep, I'm coming from a One XL running CM10 stable. So far I'm enjoying it, I got it on Friday, so I'm still getting it set up. So far I have to say the screen quality is not as good(colors are a little washed out) but other than that it's great. I think that the build quality of this phone is much better than the One XL and the bump in internals is noticeable. Plus, I live in Chicago where the LTE network(AT&T) is crap. I would often times get higher data speeds outside(Southern Wisconsin) of the the LTE coverage area on HSPA+.
[Nexus 4 General] rodmc123:
i think you are exaggerating the issues of the galaxy nexus.. i have not had a single issue with my speaker, if you don't want plastic then just buy another iphone, the nexus 4 is just as plastic as the galaxy nexus, the only difference is that they added a layer of glass in the back.. i dont know why everyone is giving so much importance to that, like if that little detail make the phone more premium lol!!.. that glass layer only makes you be worried about droping the phone all the time and doesn't let you change the battery.

i agree with the issues with the location of the volume and lock buttons on the gnex, but i have that issue because i previously had a phone that had the volume buttons at the other side and i was so used to it that now when i want to turn up or down the volume instead of pressing the volume buttons i press the lock button lol.. but if your iphone 4 had the buttons on the same side of the gnex i dont see how you could have that issues..

the screen on the galaxy nexus is very decent, the pentile matrix is not very noticeable, most people complain about it just because they heard somewhere that pentile is worst than regular rgb, but not because they really notice any difference, in real use you cant see pixels on the gnex and the screen looks amazing, perfect blacks and good colors, just a little over saturated like all amoled displays.. the nexus 4 screen looks yellowish, even being an ips panel the colors doesnt look accurate at all, and it has serious issues with the touchscreen sensitivity.

i think the nexus 4 is not a good device, it has a great hardware but is not what i expected from a new nexus.. even the camera that everyone said it was better than the gnex for being 8mpx instead of 5, is not better.. there is a review on youtube, a guy compared the picture quality of the gnex and nexus 4, and the gnex was better overall.
[Nexus 4 General] jeeholim:
Well first off, the Galaxy Nexus' screen was great at the time of release. From what I remember, it was one of the first phones with a 720p display. Obviously now the technology has improved and 720p screens look better, but back then, it was an amazing screen.

I always thought that the volume button and the power buttons were placed perfectly; it was located at the right places, requiring virtually no effort to press them. While the plastic did look bad, at least I didn't have to worry about dropping and cracking the phone. It did feel cheap, but it wasn't bad. I loved the design of the Galaxy Nexus, it just fitted in my hand perfectly, along with a few others around me. The curve was pretty cool, and I thought the design was well thought out.

The only thing I can agree with that you said is the whole software thing. But I have two friends that have an S3, and they don't seem to mind at all that they're on ICS, while I was on JB. Most tech-savvy users (like myself) care about quick updates (which is why they get Nexus, maybe?), but majority of the mainstream users don't really care.
[Nexus 4 General] rodmc123:
there are just a few screen that looks better than the gnex screen i can name iphone 5 (best screen by far, apple has a huge advantage over any other company in terms of screen calibration of its devices)and htc one x .. the galaxy s3 screen looks almost identical but with a different color calibration and most of the others devices out there looks worst.

i think the nexus 4 screen looks worst than the gnex screen.. it has serious calibration issues, totally yellowish and colors looks washed out.. it is a little sharper but it doesnt have any of the advantages of good IPS panels (color accuracy) and add to that the bad screen sensitivity.

this nexus should have never been made by LG.
[Nexus 4 General] pnnorth:
I thought LG were one of the screen manufactures for the iPhone 5 (I may be wrong).
[Nexus 4 General] Zainiak:
The n4 lowers the CPU clock when the temps get high. Anandtech did a test. They put it in a freezer, then ran tests, and it scored significantly higher
[Nexus 4 General] Archpope:
Nexus 4 vs. Nokia 5190. Go!
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
^^^^^ banned :p

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] bronx:
Hahah... Yeah, busted. :D
[Nexus 4 General] jtc276:
The pure Android experience should be had by everyone interested in Android. But I don't think it's truly the best anymore. TouchWiz and Sense are both polished ecosystems that are no longer just ways to make phones look different from each other. What TouchWiz on the Note II can do is enough to prove this. So it's definitely your personal preference at this point.
[Nexus 4 General] gotjazz:
I didn't read the WHOLE thread right now but I'm sure there's been some talk about n4 vs optimus g. Now apart from software support through Google, lte (which is not an issue for me) and storage (personally I might just be able to live with 16 gigs) those phones are pretty much twins. Coming from a Nexus S I was about to get a N4.

I was just comparing the devices over and over again because I just *might* want more storage.

Then 2 things hit me. Granted the optimus g isn't as easily unlocked as the n4 but once it is - won't it be easy to port all kinds of n4 roms?

And: why isn't anyone comparing those phones talking about the screen real-estate those on-screen buttons use? It's always "oh they're so identical it's just about quick updates vs lte blah blah blah" but the way I see it while they have the same screen, only the optimus g lets you actually use the whole thing.

I mean what's the diameter of the area above the n4's on screen buttons and why doesn't that seem to be an issue for amyone?
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
true and I'm very interested in trying pure android but just not using it as my daily driver (3g/wifi shortcuts in notification curtain, popup play/multiapp for watching videos while surfing web on the train, blocking mmode so my schizophrenic friend doesn't wake me up with 55 texts and calls at 4am, I could go on.. All things that hooked me to touch wiz) but id gladly either swap my iphone for a nexus as my second phone or when I upgrade to what I assume will be another tw device, root this s3and install pure android on it. Nexus 4 looks so awesome on YouTube, just missing featuresim inlove with :p

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[Nexus 4 General] jackierobinson:
It would be much easier for mobile manufacturers if Google did yearly updates.

I think that the real answer to the problem is for manufacturers to stop skinning phones. They could easily theme stock android instead. When you see how a CM theme can make your phone look like Sense or Touchwiz, it makes you wonder why they don't just do that. They can have some pre-installed apps and widgets. The general public will hardly notice the difference. Updates will be much smoother.
[Nexus 4 General] jtc276:
The only thing that is getting to me about pure Android is that I'm starting to get bored with it. The features that you just described for TouchWiz sound amazing. Sadly, I didn't need a new phone enough to buy an S III seven months into its life cycle. And the Note II is just too large even though I do admire what it can do. So I'm going to stick with my Nexus until the S IV is released, sell my current back up One X to a friend, and use my Nexus 4 as a means to check out the latest Android updates considering it will still be receiving them for a couple years at least.
[Nexus 4 General] csdibiase@gmail.com:
I came from the nexus S, performance wise the n4 is completely on another world. It really is 4 times the phone that the ns was.

I'm still getting used to the size difference, but the improved performance is definitely worth the upgrade.
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
My regional carrier finally released the galaxy s3 this past week. They had a "door buster sale" where it was free about a month ago for ONE day only on a 2 year contract. I wouldve signed for it but I missed out b/c of family obligations. Im tempted to sell my iphone 5 at $600 or so and buy a gs3 at $300 off craigslist. Just waiting to see what will be the next solid phone released.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
I've been thinking of doing the same thing, selling or trading my second phone (Iphone 4s 32gb unlocked) for a nexus 4, now I know that you all know that I'd be ripping someone off big time lol but most people in the general public see it as the other way round and the unlocked price difference is at least a few hundred pounds/dollars too.

the guy who's going to get the s4, who quoted me (can't see your username in the app while writing sorry), you really won't be sorry you went with tw, I've seen lots of posts by android purists saying they'd prefer pure android but I cannot see for thr life of me why they aren't hair with all the extras (don't get me wrong I'm very interested in trying pure android too)

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[Nexus 4 General] jrdnlc:
Very very interesting thread.
[Nexus 4 General] vainqueur:
I think many of us have seen enough argument to know there are only 2 main factors. Pure Android experience or Fanciful UI. Pure experience, there is only Nexus. It is actually a joke to see argument saying pure is better than fanciful or the other way round. Pick what suit you man. The fact that anyone visit this thread prove that at some point you have considered that the quick update is lacking in your fanciful UI.
[Nexus 4 General] jtc276:
I've also seen many Android fanboys state that TouchWiz is "worthy" or even an improvement over stock Android, which I would have to decide for myself. I had a Galaxy S II about a year ago and was impressed with how smooth and nice looking TouchWiz was. I'm looking forward to see how far it has come when the S IV is announced.
[Nexus 4 General] vainqueur:
LOL. I agree that in terms of skinned UI, touchwiz is one of the best. If Samsung didnt insist on using crapoled, I would have switched to Samsung long time ago.
[Nexus 4 General] KaranKapoor:
I've owned the S2 and the Note (don't have a Nexus 4 as of yet). It's good to see people here appreciate TW. However, I'd like to come back to this thread once Key Lime Pie comes out. If it's anything like the transition from GB to ICS, I can see everybody cursing Samsung/HTC. Yes, you can flash CM to non-Nexus devices however the wait for a CM release for a big OS update is LONG! These devices should only be considered if one doesn't care for the updates, or if they don't hold onto their devices for more than, say, 8 months or so.

As far as my needs are concerned, I've promised myself not to get a non-Nexus device, EVER!
[Nexus 4 General] vainqueur:
Well. for me, I too learned it the hard way with the crappy optimus 2x and little to no support from lg. I am waiting very patiently for nexus4 to come to singapore, lol.
[Nexus 4 General] azrash:
high there neighbour, here in Malaysia, official lg set has arrived today. Begin selling next Monday.

However, there are a few importers that have ready stock already, with the price is of course with a premium

Sent from my Desire Z
[Nexus 4 General] vainqueur:
Really??? That is good news, that means I have to start tracking Telco activity like a hawk. Thanks for the information neighbor!
[Nexus 4 General] nightakhouse:
I think touchwiz UI is a bit useless or not as useful as the others such as sense,etc....

:rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] vainqueur:
Really? In terms of features you mean? Anyway, not important to me because I am never going back to OEM.
[Nexus 4 General] lowandbehold:
Touchwiz is a nice change for awhile. It is fairly clean and functional. I went from a Gnex to a Note 2. I enjoyed it for a couple weeks. Recently traded my Note 2 for a Nexus 4 and couldn't be happier.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
It depends on what you want. I've only ever used tw so I don't know what the rest are like but I can say I love tw (with nova) and if anyone is on the edge of trying a tw phone I'd say go for it :)

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[Nexus 4 General] lidzhet:
Google Nexus 4 VS

Totally agree dude. Google Nexus 4 is one sexy phone. Although i don't have it, i must say that this phone is the sexiest thing i've ever seen in android world. Although iPhone 5 design looks great too, but it's not as sexy as Nexus 4. Good choice dude.
[Nexus 4 General] javiges:
I have a nexus galaxay and now the N4 and it shows the difference
[Nexus 4 General] consolidate42:
Though the build quality of the nexus 4 is a bit suspect, the price really is simply unbeatable.
[Nexus 4 General] stuart0001:
Just demoed a couple of note 2s. One kept crashing and the other stuttered like crazy between home screens and a noticeable lag when opening things.

Makes me love my N4 even more.
[Nexus 4 General] ghettopops:
One thing I will have to say is that I have had RasBean on this N4 for over a month and it is pretty smooth. My Note running Liquid crashes, not a lot but does, but I have never crashed on Rasbean/N4.
[Nexus 4 General] Infinity1988:
I've been looking for a replacement for my xperia x10. At first the nexus 4 looked like the perfect phone. It has it's flaws like no sd-card slot and for some odd reason the camera isn't as good as it should be according to many people. But the price is very low for it's specs. The only thing holding me back is the build quality. Since they decided not to release it in Belgium, i have to get it in Germany. But if it has any problems i have to go back to germany for a repair or a replacement. And it seems the back glass isn't gorilla glass. It just cracks way too easily.

Now i'm considering the xperia z, which seems to have the best specs and build quality. Sony uses dragontrail glass. And according to the video's i've seen, it is insanely durable. The only downside is that it costs twice as much as the nexus 4.

So what do you guys think? Does the nexus 4 have too many hardware issues or should i risk it? 300€ isn't much when the device has average durability, but it is much when the durability is way below average.
[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
Im seriously considering checking this phone out the Z seems awesome

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[Nexus 4 General] wathefak:
The sony xperia Z does seem pretty, but I couldnt wait that long to have it. I think N4 is a good choice for now
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
The back is gorilla glass. Gg isn't shatter resistant, it's scratch resistant. The problem comes if you drop it out put too much flex on the chassis, neither of which gorilla glass is designed to resist or normal glass for that matter.

Best bet is to keep it in a case.

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[Nexus 4 General] Ysalamiri:
As stated a few times: I've owned an HTC Legend for 2 years. It was my first smartphone, and I loved every aspect of it.

But after a year or so it started feeling a bit slow, started hanging a lot.. So I rooted it and installed Cyanogenmod. That made a huge difference and I liked it once again.

But even after a few months on Cyanogen it started to feel slower again, so in the back of head I was already looking for a replacement although I really wanted to hang on to this one for at least one more year because I don't want to change phones every two years. Especially not if they cost €250 (which I considered a lot of money for a smartphone back then).

And then came the Nexus 4. Holy s***, those specs just blew my mind. And at $350? What a bargain. No matter what: I wanted it. And now I have it. Compared to the Legend, this thing just flies. Everything feels a billion times smoother than before and I enjoyed using my phone again.

A friend of mine is currently going through what I am going through two years ago: Looking for a decent phone, but not willing to pay €400 for a huge screen. So he got the HTC One V (a Legend equivalent phone in terms of size etc. But with updated specs of course). I played with it for a while today and I must say: I can never go back to such a small, "cheap" device ever again.. It feels slow, the animation is not as smooth as on the Nexus and I lack some of the nifty Android 4.2.1 features the Nexus has.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I've had most of the high end phones of 2012 so id like to compare them to the nexus 4:

Nexus 4 vs HTC One X (tegra 3)

- screen: One X screen is better because of the colors being more vibrant and better outdoor visibility. Both screen are super sharp and the nexus 4 screen is just a tad behind the One X.

- Performance: Nexus 4 wins period.

- audio: louder speakers on N4, louder audio through headphones with One X ( + beats by Dre)

- battery life: N4 is better but not by much.

- camera: I prefer the One X camera overall but I do like the photosphere on the N4.

Nexus 4 vs Galaxy S3:

- screen: N4 has better outdoor visibility and better whites, S3 has better colors (in my opinion) and deeper Blacks.

-Performance: N4 wins again but S3 is no slouch either.

-Audio: S3 wins hands down, no contest.

- Battery life: again, S3 is better plus it is removable(the battery that is :D )

- Camera: S3 has a better camera.

Nexus 4 vs Galaxy note 2:

-screen: just like for the S3, N4 sharper screen better whites, note 2 better colors, deeper blacks.

-Performance: I will give the edge to the N4, ridiculously fast. However the note 2 is no slouch at all.

-Audio: Note 2 period.

-Battery life: everybody knows the answer to that.

-Camera: note 2 wins.

Nexus 4 vs iphone 5:

-Screen: I will give the edge to the retina display, the colors are better and its super bright outdoors.

-Performance: N4 wins by a hair, iphone 5 browser is RIDICULOUSLY FAST ( I was blown away in all honesty)

- audio: iPhone 5 wins period.

- battery life: iPhone 5 edges the N4

- camera: iphone 5 wins.

Nexus 4 vs lumia 920:

-Screen: I prefer the N4 screen but I won't argue if someone says the lumia has a better screen. I don't wanna explain it'll take too long.

- performance: Again I think N4 is unbeatable at this time but lumia 920 performs like a champ, no lag whatsoever, never!

- audio: Lumia 920 by far.

- battery life: lumia 920

- camera: lumia 920

Nexus 4 vs my current phone, HTC One XL:

Everything is the same as the tegra 3 comparison except for battery life. The One XL has MUCH BETTER battery life than the N4 despite having just an 1800 mah battery.

As far as things like call quality, all of them perform like they should so it doesn't really matter to me. Also I prefer android OS over the other OS's that's why I prefer the nexus 4 over the iPhone 5 despite the iphone 5 having a few things better than the N4.

Im using the One XL cause I got it for free and I like it, plus I'm waiting for the 2013 flagship phones like the M7 or the S IV. But if I had to give a best phone of 2012, for me it would be The Galaxy Note 2.

Cheers!!!!
[Nexus 4 General] GeoMil:
I personally think N4 has better audio than One X. Especially A2DP, it's far better sound. I used to have to tune with the DSP on the One X. On Sense Roms with Beats - it just adds bass IMO.

Everything else in you post I would agree with.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Thing is for me, the N4 audio through headphones max volume is too low, the One X is very loud and when you put beats in it does make a great difference especially when you have good headphones. The speakers on the N4 is louder but the One X's speaker is clearer.
[Nexus 4 General] zesousa:
ty compairs =)

best android phone in market in my opinion and i tested htc/sIII etc...
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
I don't understand this at all. The iphone 5 screen is the ugliest screen ever. Not because it isn't sharp, it is because it has the width of a 3.5 inch screen with a 16:9 aspect ratio. It is absolutely disgusting. Kind of like looking into one of those skinny circus mirrors rather than a normal mirror. The iphone 5 joins the Optimus Vu in ugliest screens ever. The iphone 5 for being too skinny and the Optimus Vu for being way to fat. No idea why LG made the screen THAT wide when the 4:3 aspect ratio already makes it wide. At least Apple is sticking to the one hand use excuse, LG doesn't have one.
[Nexus 4 General] adidas007:
iphone 5 has 4 inch screen.

Edit : Sorry didnt read the word width