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[Nexus 4 General] uppon2:
OK. I need some honesty here. I am about to receive my Nexus 4 and before I open it up, I want to be sure I will be happy. I purchased this device at a great price and was very impulsive but I had fair knowledge of the device beforehand. However, I'm currently using the SGS 2 and before that was the SGS 1, I have also owned a few other Android phones. I was going to follow this same pattern and get the SGS 3 (NOTE 2 slightly too big) but quickly purchased the Nexus 4.

Now, screen is very important to me. I was thinking to myself sweet 4.7" almost as big as the SGS 3 and also has slightly higher resolution. I read the colours are more natural and not as saturated.

I don't care about micro SD support, replaceable battery or LTE/4G so my questions are pretty straight forward. All of these next questions seem to have so many mixed reviews from people that haven't used both devices thoroughly, so I am still confused.

1. How much screen real estate can I expect after shrinking the nav bar to as small as possible with an AOKP based ROM. would I get 4.6"? (Can somebody please explain the benefits of On Screen Keys for me to justify it)?

2. Opinions differ with the contrast being better on the Nexus 4 vs the SGS 3 (Who has owned both that can shed some light) I know for example my SGS 1 and SGS 2 are effing TERRIBLE outdoors?

3. Raw power and graphics. On paper the Nexus should beat the SGS 3 (Quad Core Models) but has anybody really pushed it with gaming and video processing?

4. There is so much community development for Samsung now does it really matter about having the most current software right off the bat, considering in most cases someone will get the software working after a week?

5. Overall opinion and anything else you want to add?
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
You won't like it, sell it to me:D:D:D
[Nexus 4 General] il buono:
Newer and better devices are always on the horizon but this should be future proof with its speed. The 2GB of ram is also a positive given that new devices like the One X+ still only have 1GB

1) screen real estate is better once shrunk and there isn't really any benefit to them. I like my capacitive buttons more but I don't mind having them on-screen.

2) Contrast outdoors is a lot better with the nexus 4. I live in the desert so I have a lot of sun experience :D

3) I've only had the U.S. dual core GS3 model but it was more than capable to handle any task I threw at it. It was always smooth. If I was a regular consumer and played with both devices I really wouldn't be able to tell which had the more cores.

4) The dev community does come through for Samsung devices but one buys a nexus to be ahead of the curve while being supported by a vast dev community. This is a question best answered by you though since it's a subjective question.

5)

*camera is better on the gs3

*nexus 4 is sexy ;)

*amoled screens are prone to having black ink blobs prevalent in low light conditions

*real colors of the nexus 4 screen vs the saturated gs3 screen: no real winner because our eyes are attracted to different things. I love the saturated nature of the amoled screens but the nexus 4 screen is also good.

*gs3 has far better accessories to choose from since it's been such a success worldwide.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] tatltael:
The more you shrink them, the harder it will be to press them, especially while in the car or other such situations where your aim n concentration may be off.

You can play around with size till you find the sweet spot.

The benefit to on screen keys are:

- faster operation speeds and multitasking

- they disappear when you need or want them to (especially if using a ROM that supports extended desktop)

- they feel and look cool (especially if you customize them per app using paranoidandroid)

- when the screen is off, the phone looks hot without any buttons on it.

I have both. To me, contrast is better on the s3 in dark rooms and equal/slightly better on the N4 in bright daylight. But both have great sunlight legibility.

Remember that unless using both screens next to each other they both look equally good in terms of contrast.

And also contrast isn't only about how deep the blacks are or how bright the whites are. Its more about the difference between the brightness of the white to the darkness of the black i.e. relative contrast.

And the N4 has a better relative contrast ratio to me. The blacks are pretty good and the whites are great. On the s3 the blacks are great but the whites are hardly decent.
[Nexus 4 General] versd:
I admit the deep blacks of the gnex screen was lovely but the brightness was pathetic. Pretty much unusable with certain apps in direct sunlight. Gsmarena will show you max brightness on the n4 is much better.

The only times I notice the lesser blacks on the n4 are if I get woken up by a text or in dark places like bars and clubs. Where I don't spend much time on my phone anyway!!

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I think that it was amazing that Google managed to get the s4pro into a nexus phone so quickly after the s4pro hit the market.

Unlike the gnex which used a relatively dated SOC even at release. They had dual core kraits back then or were close to.

It will be a while before the next step of SOC architecture 22nm will be available so I think in terms of raw SOC hardware, the s4pro will be the standard if not the best for a couple of quarters.
[Nexus 4 General] stabadus:
N4 vs. SGS3 i9305 (not i9300)

So it's pretty clear that the N4 will outperform the US SGS3 and international (i9300) variant.. but why is it impossible to find a comparison of the N4 and the SGS3 i9305 (which I believe is the Korean version)..

The i9305 has not only a quad core Exynos 4412 processor but also 2GB ram and the the Mali-400MP GPU.

Are there any direct comparisons of these two phones? Benchmarks? Links would be appreciated.
[Nexus 4 General] uppon2:
We also have this model in Australia. It's 4G (LTE) and has 2GB of RAM
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
Personally I don't care for the screen. Others talk it up or stick up for it, and we all have our own personal tastes, so YMMV. I am all for "losing" the AMOLED Saturation, but IMO the N4 is washed out and kind of "meh". I have had several AMOLED screens so I am probably biased towards the bright and vibrant colors, and deep blacks. BUT I just came from a Lumia 920 which is NOT AMOLED and still is a much more vibrant display with much better blacks. That said lots of people love HTC screens for their "natural" colors, and I absolutely hate them.

Screen size IMO is also a disappointment coming from all phones with hardware buttons over 4.5". It feels small to me.

Speed wise, it is most definitely faster than stock GS3, but a GS3 on CM10 is just as fast. TW offers a lot of nice features, but most definitely takes away from some of the speed and smoothness as a tradeoff, although JB made a nice difference for TW (IMO).

Development wise, take a look at what is available in the Dev and Original Dev sections and form your own opinion. There isn't much (it's early, and I still appreciate what the dev's are doing, no disrespect intended).

I think the N4 is an amazing phone for $350, but there is nothing I love about it either.
[Nexus 4 General] uppon2:
I have been holding off on an upgrade for 4 months now. I think I will use the N4 for a while and if it isn't what I expected than I can sell it in Australia used for more than I paid for it new. Then buy an S3 and wait till March next year for all of the 5" screen smaller devices. I hope to see some good stuff from Oppo and Sony. No doubt the S4 will be a great choice too but I just want to try some new devices out.

I have watched literally 3 hours of Nexus 4 vs videos and honestly the colour reproduction is really growing on me. I really hope to see some great development for the N4!

Thanks for your advice. What device are you wanting now then?
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
Im debating going back to nexus 4 or galaxy s3 pick one up at $400 or under. Going to probably sell my iphone 5 at 700. Just need to find replacement, could get either htc windows 8x or htc one s for free on contract,
[Nexus 4 General] uppon2:
*sigh* you make it sound like "you must tweak and update daily" to use an Android device!

The only reason why there is not much need for an update with iOS is because there is nothing you can do with it and there is no new updates or anything new for it lol.

Considering if you look right here you once bricked a Samsung Galaxy S2 because you were in the Samsung Galaxy S1 forums and downloaded and flashed the wrong ROM for a completely different phone makes me take everything you say with a pinch of salt..

30+ phones and you have settled with an iPhone............Hmmmmmm

Now as I look up a post above me there you are again, now wanting another Android. I can't keep up with this lol

I dare say it's because there is no comparison between iOS and Android?

Nexus = Vanilla Flavoured Google

iPhone = Poo Flavoured iOS

Without talking about hardware here because let's face it Apple do make some great hardware! But with such a restricted, closed and boring interface it's irrelevant in comparison to Android. It's like someone running in to a shop and buying a brand new shiny looking laptop because it looks good, rather then what it can do. If you want to know about the hardware differences there are plenty of reviews. It's a real discussion with nerds and scientists and everything. True story!

I might sound like an iPhone hater but really I just hate Apple. I like the phone but hate the simple go to and click here software! The phone helped pave the way for bigger and better projects such as Android. The app store clearly has more solid support and updates but still lacks in areas of tools and development which has become a massive market!
[Nexus 4 General] il buono:
iOS and Android have their niche consumer. Not everyone needs to customize their phone with launchers, themes, or widgets. For us android enthusiasts there is nothing like flashing roms or modifying it in some way but that doesn't make iOS a crappy alternative. iOS is a smooth experience and even though the look hasn't really changed since it first got introduced, not everyone cares. The iPhone 5 is great and I'm loving it as much as the Nexus 4. I'd be happy to recommend the iPhone over android devices if I found it to fit an individual's needs better.

Sent from my iPhone
[Nexus 4 General] uppon2:
iTunes, No back / Menu buttons. Do I need to say any more? There is no excuses for Apple to do this. Anybody who is happy with this, then good luck. If iOS was completely Open Source and didn't use a proprietary program, Had some new physical features and weren't falling behind with hardware then I would consider it as an option

I think iPhones are easier to use and designed to cater for a wider group of people that don't know better or simply like to look cool. It's a shame so many people don't even understand what Android is because they are too caught up in the hype and schoolyard standards, or have a "can't be bothered to learn" attutude
[Nexus 4 General] il buono:
Oh I hate iTunes lol. We can agree on that. Back and menu buttons aren't needed on iOS. Navigating through it is easy without them. I'm not an iSheep but I am open to the fact that what works for one person may not be the best alternative for another.

Sent from my iPhone
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
how does this phone compare to htc one x+ 64 gb? i ordered the n4 but i have to wait until feb. is the one hox+ worth like double the price?

i was suppose to have a new phone last november and im still waiting for a new phone.
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
Good call. I haven't decided what is next for me, Considering trying a Note II or maybe I will go back to the 920 for a while until the 2013 models come out, or I may even just hang on to the N4 until some of the 2013 models come.
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
I have brandnew onex i want to swap for a nexus 4, my onex as got plastic covering still on the back and on the glass, on the lens, on the buttons.I just dont have the heart to take it off and spoil it with fingerprints lol.
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
Lol!!
[Nexus 4 General] mazdarati2:
Marques Brownlee said that the N4 is the fastest phone he has ever used. Does that mean that it is faster than the Note 2? need to choose between them
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
This looks interesting. Google Motorola is working on a "X" phone and tablet.

http://www.droiddog.com/android-blo...making-an-x-phone-and-x-tablet-with-motorola/

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Lol...there is A LOT more to a phone than how fast it is. Opening an app in .3 secs instead of .4 secs is really not something I would base my purchase decision on. Now comparing the speed from today's phones to ones made a year ago may be a different story. What do you want out of a phone? Is screen size important to you? How about storage or removable battery? How about stock Android vs skinned Android? These are the things I would recommend anyone look at to base a purchase decision on...with today's iterations of superphones anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] murrowxda:
So I've decided to return the N4 to T-Mobile; canceling that contract within the first 2 weeks. I couldn't deal with the constant dropped calls while driving. I'm definitely going to miss the N4 though :(

AT&T ended up offering me the Galaxy S3 for $100 if I renewed my contract...so I did. I got free next day shipping, an early upgrade, and at $100 cheaper than what they list online. Oh and free texts for 6 months lol. The reps in the cancelation department have all the power!

Thanks for your input everyone!
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
So, N4 guys, I need your opinions.

The Nexus 4's been out a little while now, what are your overall thoughts on it? My Nexus S is well into its 2nd year of use now, (mainly due to me being a broke ass 15 year old kid) but I'm really getting tired of it. I wouldn't even consider buying a non-nexus device now, the experience is just so much cleaner and, frankly, better than any other android experience (e.g. TouchWiz, HTC Sense, etc.) So what I'm asking is, in your opinions, should I save up the cash to buy a nexus 4 (probably wouldn't even be able to for another couple of months due to the shortage of N4 devices) or hold out for another year or so and get the next nexus device? I'm really hoping that the nexus 5 (or whatever they choose to call it) will be made by Motorola so google can do everything they want with it.

TL;DR: Being a broke ass kid, should I buy the N4 or try to milk another year out of my NS, and wait for the next nexus device?
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
I keep flipping my SIM card between my One X+ and N4. Both are great, but it seems like LTE actually saves me on battery drain at work, where HSPA seems like it drains like crazy (or the radio in the n4 just isnt as good).
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
How's the one x+ performance and battery compared to the N4? Is it worth like double the price ( and more) for unlocked?
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
The only thing that the one x plus is better is the LTE in good signal LTE areas. All else is either par or not as good.
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
No, they took out the lte on the international version and are still charging exact same price as with lte, its a big con, i purchased a onex+ thinking i would be able to use lte in the UK, i had a big shock when i discovered it doesnt have any lte/4g services at all, as for as i can tell you need at&t specific version, i already had a onex, what an absolute rip off.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Your right however my one x+ is the att version.
[Nexus 4 General] mazdarati2:
The least lag possible is my mission, mostly. If the screen is bigger than a iPhone, its good. 16GB is fine. Removable battery would be the biggest con, but im not going to flash roms. Stock Android is also fine for me, can live with both.

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wich one is faster/ has less lag?
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Camera and camera software is better on One X+ and many would say the design is much more durable than the N4. If the screen is the same as the original One X, then that is probably slightly nicer than the N4 as well.

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If milliseconds are the ONLY thing you care about then the N4 is probably your best choice...hard to beat stripped out Google for speed.
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
I agree, i want a nexus 4, i have 2 htc phones, each cost me £500, and im willing to swap if i could, i dont think nexus 4 owners are daft enough lol, N4 is cheaper and loads better. You cant even use googleplay website with the onex+, you cant install apps or music or games from googeplay website to the phone, it doesnt show in devices list.
[Nexus 4 General] mazdarati2:
a problem i have right now that my Desire Z can slow down like hell, do stock roms like on the Nexus 4 and Note 2 also slow down after installing all apps and have all the setting you want?
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
My onex/onex+ doesnt slow down, and the nexus 4 sure as hell wont slow down, it has 2gb of memory on the n4.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
So which do you prefer regardless of price?
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
I would love to get my hands on a nexus 4, my onex+ is a week old, i didnt research properly and didnt realize the international version was decided upon not to have LTE.Athough, i have more than 16gb of apps and data at the moment. I suppose i can just hope that when i get 4.2.1 OS that htc dont take out the goodies.
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
It may take atleast 5-6 months to get new 4.2.1 update to 2012 htc phones...not kidding...
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
4.2.1 for one x in Taiwan already came out
[Nexus 4 General] ptesmoke:
I dunno what one x your talking about but the north american versions just got 4.1.1 HTC fails again.

One does not simply..

Buy an HTC if they want latest android.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
http://www.miamodo.de/htc-one-x-erhalt-android-4-2-1-jelly-bean-in-taiwan/
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
It might be android 4.1.2...
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Not with photo shadow sphere
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
Yes, your right, it is 4.2.1, taiwan always get there stuff first, at least a month before the rest of the population, i really hope HTC dont stick there dumb ass keyboard in place of the stock, and can pretty much garantee the clock will be gone, wht cany htc give you a choice of what lock screen you want to use, or at least make a theme of the stock JB launcher and lock screen for the people who like it, they would sell much much more phones if that choice was there, am i right?. Im still waiting for the tiny ota to 1.17.401 lol, everyones seems to have it but me, my HBOOT is already 1.35, maybe thats the reason. Oh, ineed a onex+ owner to check googleplay website, to my android apps, scroll to the bottom and choose orders/settings and see if the onex+ is listed in devices, mine isnt there and cant install apps from the web, which means auto restore apps wont work when you wipe your phone.EDIT: Ok, scrap that, google have fixed it, i wrote an email yesterday, and now the onex+ is listed, brilliant.

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Im thinking about unlocking the onex i have spare, is there a fully 100% working stock 4.2.1 JB rom available?.
[Nexus 4 General] letom:
Unfortunately you are wrong about them selling more phones through having more choices of theme, well at least certainly in the long run. People and even credible tech journalists who say use the "If this company just made hardware and put stock on it, they'd sell like hot cakes" are very wrong. HTC are not selling you Android, they are selling you Sense + their hardware, it would be stupid of them to offer stock as a theme, it's all about have differentiated products. If every manufacturer just creates the hardware and sticks stock google on it then they cannot make enormous profits, because customers are far less likely to be loyal. Look at Windows phone 7 before Nokia joined, there was really little reason to go choose Samsung over HTC.
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
It would just be a theme, like same colors, same color notifications and stuff, sense would still be there in all its glory, there hardly any choices of themes as it is unless you root the phone and void your warranty.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
I just dumped HTC. They've done same thing over and over again. No GB (ota) for Desire, no ICS for DHD, no Jelly Bean for sensation. I mean seriously? Sensation was top htc smartphone last year. I can see same happening with HOX. As someone rightly said, of you want decent software updates, don't get htc. Samsung is a lot better in that respect. S2 is getting JB, and it's older than sensation. Let alone Sensation XE that is barely over a year old.
[Nexus 4 General] robinsoncol:
With roms constantly coming out I won't be getting a new phone in like 2 years (unless if I brake my phone).
[Nexus 4 General] Valerianus:
I currently have an HTC 8X, courtesy of work. It's a nice phone, but the app selection is still pretty mediorce, at least when compared to Android and iOS.

I haven't felt a Nexus 4 in my hand, but the 8X is a smaller phone.
[Nexus 4 General] cobyman7035:
i think ive just dropped my phone once, it wasn't a big fall, just a couple feet thank god, im all stock aside from the orginal screen protector i still have on :lol:

wide glass, thin makes it pretty hard to hold in my left hand while doing one thumb swiping(plus the screen is NOT as sensitive as the note II or sam gax III)

my other complaint is the bad view angle and yellow tint is still there at certain angles(im using paid app nexus 4 control with 238,228,240) settings, it looks ipadish but still has the yellow tint at certain angles

phone gets really hot, 42cel when its stressed out and on LTE, burns!

htc one x vs nexus 4 comparison specs @gsmarena site

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4320&idPhone2=5048

pretty much same specs!

i wished nexus4 had flash and FM stereo!
[Nexus 4 General] jessesam:
I think htc one x + has only 1 gb ram vs nexus 4 2gb ram .
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Correct:

N4= More RAM, sharper screen, Google's timely updates

X+= More Storage, brighter screen, better camera, HTC's not so timely updates (and WAY small dev community)
[Nexus 4 General] KostasMD:
I am thinking of buying the Nexus 4 but I read about some bug that makes me wondering if I should stay with my Desire

and wait for the next gen smartphones with usb3.0 etc
[Nexus 4 General] CaspaTheGhost:
Desire means you're well overdue an upgrade!

Bugs are a non issue, everything has them, the Desire included. They don't effect daily usage so I wouldn't worry.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] boe323:
Just compared the onex+ to the nexus 4, although i dont have the 4g version its kind of growing on me now, the onex is virtualy the same specs, with a few extras, minus the 2gb ram of course.
[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
Honest to God the only reason I even want this phone is the updates from Google I have the Optimus G and its awesome without half the issues the nexus is having. Plus it has expandable memory and LTE to name a few. I don't understand why they didn't just use this phone and add aosp ?

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] killswitch11:
Yeah I was a little taken aback by how intense the yellow tinting is when viewed at an angle. I thought my phone was defective, then found out it is common. I'm also using the paid Franco app for adjusting color. No amount of tweaking makes the yellow tinting better, but I was able to reduce the amount of "reddish" color temp that is present by default, so it looks better overall. (Values are 255, 214, 255) Its a shame about the angle-tinting though. Otherwise this screen is amazing with the zero-gap IPS tech.