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[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
Synthetic benchmarks and real users xperience are 2 completely different things. The difference between the latest smartphones are so small that they are almost negligable. It all comes down to personal preference nowadays.
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
Just check my previous posts - is you are a Samsung fan boy, you'll probably blame me for hate crime... :)

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I haven't dropped my Nexus 4 yet (hopefully I won't :) ), but I did drop my Galaxy Nexus once. It fell from my jeans' pocket on concrete pavement. The screen survived, but the plastic body of the phone was so badly dented and disfigured even according to cheap plastic phone standards. It seems Samsung uses the cheapest and softest plastic they can find - worse then any other phone I had for the last 15 years. On the contrast I dropped iPhone 4 a few times under different circumstances (including once from my ear to concrete floor), and it caused only barely noticeable minor damage.

I assume Nexus 4 should be similar to iPhone 4 when it comes to drop tests as both have gorilla glass on each side. Obviously you can break anything if you try hard enough, but if the glass survives, other damage should be minor unlike Galaxy Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] Cass67:
My exp is opposite, my one x build quality is a1 no issues at all and it's a uk release day device... Agree with s-on crap, was nice to flash rom without a pc with nexus 4...
[Nexus 4 General] adidas007:
IPhone was a small device, the fall impact increases as the surface area of contact increases
[Nexus 4 General] ghettopops:
So I have been using my GN2 for the past couple weeks and looooove the battery life. I decided to update my N4 ROM to 3/2 v of Pa Mako 4.2.2 and Trinity's newest build. I fully charged and took the N4 to the gym. I listened to 15 mins of music (iHeart) and streamed 35 mins of Netflix and when I left the gym I was down to 53% battery. Wow. Obviously the sim is back in my GN2.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Yeah the Nexus battery is really bad on mobile data at the moment. I hope it can be fixed by a patch.
[Nexus 4 General] pandeus:
my take on the n4 vs any idevice

Well, i dont know if this is off track from the topic, but i just stumbled on this thread so heres my opinion. My fist smartphone was an android, droid x 2 to be exact. then i moved to the galaxy s 2, which i loved. Then for some odd reason i got pulled into using an iphone 4, which i absolutely hated. now i have my n4 and will never change until google releases their next nexus. My take on any idevice is like this: Imagine youre stuck in an elevator filled with about 20 fat people. you cant move, you can only go up and down, there's no wiggle room. With any android youre still in an elevator, but you have the ability to change the colors, how fast the elevator goes and you have wiggle room. LOTS of wiggle room. That's my take on android vs ios.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Nice!

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When you experience the Galaxy note 2's battery life, all other phones will disappoint you except the droid razr maxx/HD.
[Nexus 4 General] walkingmike:
Well the Note 2 used to be so high on my list before... then I got the Nexus 4. Now everytime I look at the Note 2 (lots of friends are using it), I can't stand the rough grainy look of the screen (whereas it looked smooth and hi-res before I got the Nexus 4). Tbh I don't even know what the PPI figure is on the Note 2, but I just think that the Nexus 4 screen looks so much more smoother, even compared to the Iphone 5.
[Nexus 4 General] domii666:
The N4 is great, still better than my old S2
[Nexus 4 General] VOLTAGEROCK:
I love my n4!!!

This phone is ridiculous. It's so dag gone fast it actually causes me to laugh. I use facial recognition and the speed is instantaneous, whereas on my Pantech Burst, yeah, I said Pantech Burst!!, it took some time to process the face and unlock the phone. I've had the Nexus S and I'm not even gonna go there with a comparison. Also I had the Palm Pre which I could compare, but that would most likely be a joke as well, aside from webOS which I miss so much. The Touchstone on the Pre blew the Orb away in every way. That's the only complaint I have with the N4. I used to be able to use the Touchstone in my car and the Pre would attach firmly via the magnets which I can't even believe the Orb didn't come with. What a disappointment. The rubbery surface does provide enough adhesion for desktop use, which I still love wireless charging and I won't return the Orb. It's just that the Touchstone also aligned 100% vertically and horizontally. The N4 on the Orb can be all cockeyed and look weird, but it still will charge fine. The Orb also attracts a lot of dust and debris floating around which I have yet to clean. A lot of people here can attest to this and they also have warned about using Alcohol wipes.

Back to the N4. I've seen other phones in action, but 1.5 GHz Quadcore Snapdragon and 2 Gigs of Ram super quick open app changes along with unbelievably fast speed, and of course the simplicity of all Nexus products. No skins, first for updates, and modify it as you please. Get the apps you want, not what all non Nexus phones come with and clog up your Ram. Some, in fact, I think all of the non Nexus phones don't even allow you to uninstall said unwanted, not needed, unnecessary apps . Regardless, if you have the loot, AT&T or T-Mobile, want to experience a mind boggling adventure, do not want to let this device leave your hands (I could go on forever), then get yourself a phone that you will pretty much not see anyone else around you using (and how rare is that these days?) get your self a work of art; get yourself the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
Hear hear, fully agree :D Looking forward to KLP and what it will bring us.
[Nexus 4 General] VOLTAGEROCK:
Sweet and delicious Lime Pie, Key-wise!
[Nexus 4 General] tatltael:
Is anyone else having a hard time deciding whether to trade in the n4 for the HTC one?

HTC one:

+ better build, look and materials

+ better screen

+ probably better battery life (not confirmed)

+ better speakers

+ better camera

+ some really cool features like zoe

- sense ui

- slow updates

- locked bootloader and bad dev scene

Nexus 4:

+ instant updates

+ great development

+ vanilla android

+ still has a great screen, build, look etc even if its worse than the One

- camera not great

- battery could be better

- very delicate n easy to break

Gah its even harder to decide because the change wouldn't cost much. Second hand N4s sell for a lot in my country.
[Nexus 4 General] atulalvenkar:
Don't think battery life will be good. It has 2300Mah compared to N4's 2100Mah and it has to drive a 1080p screen compared to 720p for Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
Just picked up the N4, and there isn't a day I miss my Note 2 lol. I love the build quality of the N4, and the screen. Although I find the brightness is terrible unless I manually crank it up. Never had that issue with my Note.

The Note 2 has unreal battery. No question the longest lasting phone I've ever owned.

As far as S4 Pro vs Exynos. I don't notice a difference. If anything the N2 is faster, because it doesn't have the thermal throttling that the N4 has. But then again the GPU is better in the N4. I don't play games anyways. Plus the N4 heats up like crazy, while the N2 never did.

But I love the smaller form factor. Its much more comfortable to use. I'll get another Samsung if they decide to up their game on the design front. Their phones feel too cheap. And truth be told, I miss TW. Flame me if you want, but "pure Google" seems blah to me now.

And I want a damn micro SD slot!!! 16Gb is nearly not enough lol
[Nexus 4 General] MrPlNK:
Buy optimus g and do nexus 4 convert lol
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
Lol there is no dev support for the Optimus G. Looks like a locked boot loader.. Plus I heard the camera was pretty bad too
[Nexus 4 General] MrPlNK:
Same camera as nexus.. And your Dev support when you convert is the nexus 4 Dev forums.... Idk, 4.2.2 with 16gb internal, SD card and lte isn't too shabby... Just saying I think we got the better end of the deal :)
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
sense and vanilla android is a matter of preference.
[Nexus 4 General] SneakyGuyDavid:
HUGE JUMP

coming from a mytouch 4g , which was a good phone for its time , this phone is AMAZING , im totally loving it , and i saw some benchmarks and apparently the cpu is faster than a galaxy s3 cpu . *SHRUGS* just a bonus i guess
[Nexus 4 General] Rickroller:
I was on the fence as to whether to wait for the S4 release, wait on the HTC One, or grab an N4 (which is still pretty limited here in Canada). Despite how good the HTC looks, or how good the S4 could be, the bottom line for me was, once KLP was released, I knew I'd be jealous and the wait would bug me if I didn't have a Nexus device. Once you have the instant updates like you do with the Nexus line, it's hard to go back, despite Samsung offering some pretty innovative features.. Either way, i'm really happy with my N4, the battery is better than my Gnex (even with its 2100mAh extended battery), build is MUCH better, and even my reception is better. I no longer have to worry about managing my RAM, and with GMD Gesture Control and Sidebar Pro, I have an insanely functional phone, with a minimilst look.
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
Samsung makes some of the best smartphones to date. Sure they are "plastic", but their software implementation on Android is one of the best.

If they make the S4 with the build quality of the One, or iPhone 5, Samsung will completely steal the market.

The One is nice. But I hate HTC Sense, and the news thing on the home screen to me nothing more then a battery sucker. I gave them props for making a gorgeous device, and front facing speakers (finally!!) , but I'm not drawn to the device like I have been with the Note 2.

Time will tell. I still think Samsung is going to steal HTC's thunder, as well as Apples 5s hype.
[Nexus 4 General] VOLTAGEROCK:
"Their idiots." add3421, I'm only posting this as a joke. Don't take this the wrong way for real!

But "Their idiots" should be They're idiots! They're morons in their world and there are many more idiots in the world of smart phones.

By the way, I love my N4 with passion fruit guava. After one week, I still cannot put this phone down. The only time that it drives me crazy and I start to get mad at my phone is at night when I need to enter rest mode for my person. I say I love you to my girl, followed by a silent I love you to my phone when she pries it from my hands!!
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
I can't wait for the One personally. I have nothing against the N4 really, few things I don't care for but nothing I hate, I just don't love it either. I think it is a fantastic phone for $350, but I would much rather be using the Note II, S3, or Lumia 920. I went back to it only because I sold my Note II while it still held good value and am awaiting the One.

Until final specs are released for the S4 I can't be excited about it. I'll get a One either way and then if the S4 looks amazing I'll swap again. I have loved most of my Samsung devices but I wouldn't mind something with a bit more elegance/style (IE One). Unless the S4 moves away from the currrent styling a lot more I probably will not end up with it, at least not right off. I personally have nothing against the plastics, I think they are fine and sturdy and do the job just fine. They don't however look all that aesthetically pleasing and aluminum does feel better in the hands (to me). I'm also ready for change (Owned many Samsung phones) for a while anyway, mostly ready to not use AMOLED for a while. I don't like the N4 screen but I used a One X+ for a while and thought it was beautiful.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
I'm not sure about my next upgrade path, I'm on an s3 but was impressed by the nexus 4.

The s4 had better fix all the annoying problems on the s3, it needs instant opening of messaging and phone dialer, less clunky feel (I guess I'm starting to feel the bottle neck of 1gb ram) and better loading of apps stuck as fb and you tube.

If not I will consider waiting for the nexus 5 (any rumours or solid news yet or too early?), note 2 (too big for me to use as a phone and use already use a tablet) or the next lumia flagship.

Sent to you watchers of illusion from my castle of confusion.
[Nexus 4 General] kolyan:
One also has IR which i think is pretty cool. N4 has better notification light. Of course One is better, but is it gonna get great dev support and is Sense 5 any good.....those are my questions
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
If the phones is a hot seller it will have good dev support. Just look at the S3 or Note 1 / 2. But that all depends if they decide to ship it with a locked bootloader.
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
I am coming from a myTouch 4G Slide. I also got to try many phones out while I was doing some repair work on the side. Nothing really WOW'd me and I vowed NEVER to own another Samsung again so the GNex was out for me. I was able to check out the N4 in person @ a TMO store and I loved it from the moment I played with it. I was a Die Hard HTC fan but the New One doesn't really do it for me. Plus the new Sense doesn't give me much confidence. I feel finally from 4.1 that AOSP has finally caught up to many of the OEM UIs.

I can't wait to start using my N4.
[Nexus 4 General] Spl4tt:
SO true.

The only point why I still don't have a samsung device is the stupid buildquality.

Imagine a samsung with the build quality of HTCs. Holy ****.

BTW, I'm staying with the nexus4 till the next nexus. Those devices are the only one with such an amazing dev szene, and that's really important for me.

And as you don't feel the difference between Snapdragon S4 and any other better CPU anymore, I don't see a point in buying a new device before the next nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] baiju2012:
Same here. Hardware- wise, whatever HTC One and S4 will have, will eventually be there in Nexus 5. Plus latest and greatest, KLP and KLP on this device (Nexus 4) too.:D

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] android_geek_here:
It's great to know someone's really doing that to avoid chaos, :good:
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
Mind sharing what you sold it for?

I can probably sell it for 530-550, after buying A Nexus that really doesn't leave much profit. I absolutely love my Note 2. Had a Nexus for a day and chose the Note. Now I'm in the mood for a Nexus and will probably want the GS4 over the Note. Just didn't think I'd lose that much value
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Phones are like cars, the second you buy one from a store it looses value. :mad:
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
lol Yeah I know that. I'm just trying to figure how much he gained selling the Note 2 and buying a 400 phone (after tax and shipping)

I'm just not sure it's worth 100-150 in my picket to lose the features I like in the Note
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
Don't do it. The Note is better.

Sent from the mighty Note II.
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
Yeah probably won't but stock is sexy. This Note 2 though..... it's a beast.
[Nexus 4 General] costas41:
n4

I had note1 and 2. Now I have N4 and I' m glad for it. Note2 is the best phone until now but I' do not want that plastic phone anymore
[Nexus 4 General] expertzero1:
Probably getting s4. Keeping n4 for klp
[Nexus 4 General] iDylan1357:
Decided on the Galaxy S3 over the Nexus the other day.

I have T-Mobile, and our contract is just about up, the price for a phone upgrade is same as new two year contract. So, we decided it was time to upgrade from out myTouch 4G's. On that note, our myTouches have held up quite well over the past two years. Really good phone, glad to have had it. Anyways, the price w/New Plan and 2-Year contract was $100. Same price, two best phones on T-Mobile (other than Note II, but a $300 phone that hardly fits in my pocket was out of the question). The Nexus is faster, the quad-core and pure non-flavored Jelly Bean make it lightning fast. The screen is slightly better, color-wise. Looks a tiny bit better overall. Nothing noticeable whatsoever. And, it will always get the latest Android updates w/out root. Great phone, but in the end, I choose the Galaxy S3. The MicroSD Slot, Removeable Battery, great support, more wide rang of accesories, non-glass back, and personally I find vanilla Android extremely bland and not fun, touchwiz is far better IMO. Plus, in the future, I can root/overclock incase it starts not getting updates any longer or is becoming slow. I may just sell it and upgrade to an S4 later in the year, but who knows.
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
I just sold my Note 2 for a Nexus 4 and was able to put cash in the bank.

Note 2 is amazing, but I wanted smaller and stock Android is the best period. I was worried I'd miss the Note 2 but I honestly don't. Nexus 4 is just a great overall experience.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
He he. Went the other way around myself. Well haven't sold the Nexus yet but will be shortly. Note 2 is a little on the large size but I had a Desire HD before which felt similar in the hand and pocket so it's an easy adjustment for me.

Can't beat the battery life and s-pen in my opinion.

Sent from the mighty Note II.
[Nexus 4 General] blackbeasst:
which one has/will have the better resell value? im up for a new phone but im happy with my g2x and will sell the one i "upgrade" to. the gs3 has been out a while but still has some resell value. the nexus 4 has about the same ROI.

will people really be that hyped up about the gs4 since the gs3 was released just a year ago? same with the htc one.

im sure they will fetch a nice sum but theres no telling the price point at release for a new 2 year contract.
[Nexus 4 General] Spitfire:
I had a quality control problem on a couple n4's at launch and decided to ask for a refund the second time, and pick up a GS3. Never got the refund for a long time and decided to give the device another try.

Glad I did, happy with the n4 so far. It's noticeably faster. It runs aokp better. The camera lag due to auto-focus did bother me, but the zoomFx app fixed that. It runs warmer, but it hasn't been unreasonably hot. Battery is about the same, but it seems to drain a little faster when not on wifi, could be my radio (I haven't looked into alternatives here yet). I'll have to get used to the colors after being on SGS2, SGS3, and Galaxy Nexus, but they do look more realistic. It's a sweet device.

Should be about an even exchange (or in my favor) when I sell off my S3.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
The s4 won't be as much of a hit as the s3 in the same way the iPhone 5 was less successful than the iPhone 4. The s3 is pretty much the single reason that Android has become massively popular over the last year. It's perceived by the general public as the only device which can match the iPhone.

Most normal people using s3 already will not rush out and buy an s4. It's an upgrade but nothing earth shattering.

S3 will drop in value once the s4 releases but then it will also have better resale possibility than the N4 as the general public don't even know what a Nexus phone is.

As far as the HTC one goes, the general public don't even talk about HTC devices at all. In the minds of most people there are only two horses in the smartphone race - Apple and Samsung - and it's because both companies have massive advertising budgets.

Sent from the mighty Note II.
[Nexus 4 General] blackbeasst:
hmmm, makes sense. maybe i should go ahead and pop on the s3 since the end user probably knows nothing of the upcoming s4.

thanks for the insight.

edit: after researching the fees involved, it would cost me $50 in ebay./paypal fees to sell either the gs3 or N4.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Are there any rumours of the nexus 5?

The s4 didn't do it for me and I'm feeling the limitations of 1gb ram right now.

Nexus 4 is too similar to the s3 on specs to justify me going out and buying one especially as it has no SD card.

Sent to you watchers of illusion from my castle of confusion.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
What I think is that they are getting ready for a transition to Tizen so they can use their own ads. Person going from android to Tizen on Sammy won't feel any difference especially as android apps can still be used.

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[Nexus 4 General] android_geek_here:
That, I must say, is very much possible.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
I personally think the S4 will be the beginning of the end for Samsung. Google threatened by Samsung? You must be baths!t crazy.

By the end of the year Motorola, LG, and HTC will combine to cut Samsung's market share in half.

A few reasons....

The above listed competition simply builds better quality devices for more reasonable prices.

Nevermind the vomit inducing Touchwiz thats been there since gingerbread. Really I don't care if it can bake a cake while a take a nap...it looks like sh!t with sh!t on top

People have plenty of better options

Oh yea about a month after the S4 is released I'll be installing Key Lime Pie on my Nexus 4.

So again watch as the S4 becomes the swansong for Sammy
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I doubt the S4 will be Samsung's swansong. They aren't as big as Google that's for sure but they are still a very successful company and are in a very good position due to a combination of the huge amounts of money they've spent on both advertising and research.

I know so many people who associate the Android platform with only Galaxy products. People talk about Samsung vs Apple, not Android vs ios. Two subtlety different and yet entirely different topics of conversation but the person on the street doesn't know much different.

I think I might have been wrong about the s4. No one thought the iphone 5 would sell that well, it's not much of an upgrade over the 4s, yet it's the most popular iPhone yet. Truth is that it's very easy to manipulate people with good advertising.
[Nexus 4 General] g2tegg:
As far as manufacturers "skins" on Google's Android, I prefer TW over LG and over HTC. Sense is by far the worst. And the new One might have a fancy exterior, but the new Sense is hideous.

Samsung did what Apple is notorious of doing. Minor upgrade, that will yield better results then you think. Its a familiar device that consumers love. Removable battery and upgradable storage is a huge bonus. Also Samsung phones have some of the best screens on the market.

Since selling my Note 2, I've come to realize the build quality difference between LG and Samsung. My N4s screen simply sucks compared to the Note 2. When I display a completely white background there are blacks on the top (bleeding blacks). Also the vibrate motor is the worst one they could have picked. Reminds my of my Motorola Atrix.

The N4 is nice, but you get what you pay for. If it was up to me I'd get a Note 2 instead in a heartbeat. I only switched because of the amount of developers. But man the amount of ROMs is almost overwhelming.

Samsung will continue to win the market. Their software implementations make the Galaxy devices the most user friendly and "smart" phones available.

The only competitor I see to Samsung will be Motorola / Google.
[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
Sony is suiting up for second place and they only just begun. The Xperia Z is a beautiful designed phone with good specs and the lightest android shell. HTC imo will be hammered to death by Samsung and Apple i`am afraid.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I hope so. HTC have dug their own grave really. Their phones just aren't very impressive and the way they treat their customers sucks. Samsung provide much better software support. HTC you can't back on getting more than one software update, Samsung can be slow sometimes but at least they support their flagship phones for a decent while after release.