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[Nexus 4 General] monkor:
Ha! My friend, you've got quite the hostile disposition. I hate to break it to you (and I'm no fanboy of either Google or Apple or Microsoft or Elon Musk or any company other than Monkor), but your conception of half-baked software being fixed only by Apple is a bit skewed. Both companies do it, period. That whole Nexus 7 GPS bug, fixed. That whole Apple TV device bricking fiasco, fixed.

I've tinkered around with iOS 7 since the early beta builds, and it's been released with many of the same bugs which I and many others have reported from day one. Maybe they'll fix it, but they *did* release half baked software and will attempt to fix it at the same rate Google does.

Or maybe they won't, as Maps is still getting people lost and Siri is still pretty slow. Neither of which is a big deal for me at all (much like any Nexus bugs I've yet to encounter but surely will), but casually glossing over that fact would be foolish. The OS is absurdly laggy on my girlfriend's 4 to the point of unusability. On the computer end of things, my MacBook Pro still has a major WiFi bug (never been solved), iPhoto/iCloud sync bugs, the list goes on.

Google makes mistakes, as they did with the lemon of a phone you got (and their TRIM debacle with the Nexus 7). Apple screwed up their iPhone 5 launch with phones that randomly bend and anodized coatings that are inherently flawed. Sucks that you had such a terrible experience either way, but lighten up.

As for haven't seen any better, I think what you said and what you meant to say aren't matching up.
[Nexus 4 General] defffizz:
How old are you? If you are more than 15 years old, I feel sorry for you. You talk like a spoilt brat. How bitter do you have to be to come to the community of people who have a passion for Android, which is xda, call everyone retards and tell them all to go to hell? You see something wrong? I have my Nexus 4 for more than 6 months. I dropped it many times, on the sides, on the back, face straight to the floor, and it didn't break. I had IPhone 4s, dropped it once - broken. Maybe it was a bad unit, maybe it's the way it hit the ground, I don't know, my point is that s**t happens. And judging by the only two things that are bothering you about the smartphone (looks and build quality), you probably don't know much about smartphones, do you? Nexus 4 is definitely best device I've ever used (and I'm sure many of us who ownes it think the same). It has the looks, the style, the power, it gives us the freedom to make it whatever we want it to be, it's everything that IPhone isn't. Being a tech fanatic, I can't use my smartphone without the freedom of customizing it and making it my own. But you are obviously an average user, so, go get the IPhone, and watch it as it shines and glows on your desk.

Sexy Nexy, Purity + franco
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
What you are saying does make sense in the court of law, but we are not trying to prosecute neither Google or Apple here. :) I'm merely sharing my experience as a consumer. Obviously any company can screw up and nothing is perfect, but that's not my point. I'm talking about the difference in 'attitude' between Apple and Google towards their customers and their products. And the attitude is what customer will feel first of all. Yes, Apple had issues with their products and iOS, but they were mostly caused by breakthrough innovation and the desire to create a revolutionary high quality product for consumers. At the same time similar Google issues are normally the result of cutting corners and overall carelessness (e.g. Android is open source anyway, so be thankful for what you have). When you deliberately use cheap crappy hardware and poor quality control things will go wrong no matter what else is faulty or not. This 'Gorilla glass 2' on Nexus 4 is probably so thin and so poorly attached to the phone that it breaks easier than plastic. The whole idea of painted plastic bezel on allegedly 'upscale' phone is absolutely retarded in the first place. The idea of placing the speaker on the flat back panel of the phone is obviously retarded even for the last retard. The only real difference between Nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus is that Nexus 4 makes a good first impression out of the box and falls apart shortly after, and Galaxy Nexus looks and feels like absolute underdeveloped crap straight after unpackaging.

Google doesn't care about major bugs like 'out of space' error I've mentioned earlier, and that's really big as it prevents users from updating their apps. It was reported ages ago, and Android had 2-3 major upgrades after that, but nobody probably even cared to look into it. Needless to say, this situation is absolutely impossible with Apple. All I can tell you is that I was using my iPhone 4 for almost two years and can't really recall any serious complaint I had about the phone or iOS. Since I switched to Android I already had two phones within a year and can ***** non-stop for hours on almost any aspect of their hardware and OS.

When I buy iPhone 5s, I'll share my opinion here, but I can hardly imagine 5s will make me more unhappy than iPhone 4. :)
[Nexus 4 General] Reamer09:
Someone has been drinking a little too much of Apple's koolaid...

I do prefer Android over IOS, but I won't deny that IOS is an OS in most cases that "just works". I've never had the "out of space" error you speak of, or any other major bugs that could be undoubtedly blamed on Google. I've had mishaps along the way but there's a much larger possibility that the cause is either the OEM, the carrier, or myself altering the device other than what Google released, but that's the beauty of Android, you have that option. Trying to compare the Nexus build quality to the iPhone is incredibly ignorant. Google doesn't make its sales by declaring how innovative the Nexus line is (from a hardware perspective). They sale their product by releasing devices that have the same hardware as the current flagship devices running vanilla Android that is rock solid (from my personal experience with my N4 so far), all for 1/3 to 1/4 the price of any other flagship device off contract. Having said that, I haven't owned a phone that I'm more proud to own and show off than the N4 and I've dropped it many of times without any adverse affects. Open source also has nothing to do with "you're lucky with whatever you get" point of view either. That's an entire other argument that I'm not going to dive into at the moment though.

Sent from my Nexus 10
[Nexus 4 General] farangutan:
Only two phones have me want to leave the Nexus4 behind, Ubuntu Edge and Nexus5... we all know how the former turned out. haha

I'm 6' and have dropped my N4 from my hands at least 20 times. Just has some scratches and dents on the trim. No cracks or scratches in any of the glass.
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
Surely just troll?
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
I can't agree with you that 'trying to compare the Nexus build quality to the iPhone is incredibly ignorant'. Cheaper phone doesn't have to mean poorly made phone. Cheaper phone is the one made of less expensive materials and components, and with not so impressive tech spec. Cheaper phone doesn't have to be a poorly designed phone either. The perfect example of a less expensive phone is iPhone 5c - Apple deliberately used plastic body and previous year model components to reduce the cost. But it is still the same build quality as top of the line iPhone 5s!!!

In our age of robots and computers there are no excuses for poor build quality whatsoever. The main reason why it still happens is when manufacturers aim for super profits by deliberately sacrificing the due process in design, manufacturing and quality control. In other words they simply cheat consumers. That's exactly what Samsung and LG do as well as Google by teaming up with them.

And buying cheap crappy phones may not be so cheap at the end. I had to buy 2 Android phones within a year (Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4), I had lots of issues with both which resulted in wasted time, money, major inconvenience and just bad mood. Galaxy Nexus terrorized me on a daily basis due to extremely idiotic design, so I had to dump it and get Nexus 4, which didn't appear to be much better eventually. The money I spent on both phones would be enough to buy a top of the line iPhone and avoid all the problems altogether.
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
5c is $550. N4 is (was) $300 and DID have "impressive tech spec" at its release. Why did you sign up for xda if you're this far up Apple's ass?
[Nexus 4 General] 350Rocket:
This guy just doesn't get it. Everything he is saying is purely emotional outrage and personal opinion. I don't even own a nexus 4 but its clear from reading on here that the majority of owners are happy. He's not only targeting the particular phone but acting like as a matter of fact all android phones are horrible and full of glitches. He seems very uninformed and narrow minded.
[Nexus 4 General] xboxfanj:
The iPhone 5c is such a scam. Let's charge the same as last year's model for something that costs a ton less to make and is cheap plastic because it comes in different colors. No wonder their stock plummeted. If your best innovations are a fingerprint sensor and new colors, your company is FiretrUCKed.
[Nexus 4 General] md1008:
IMO HTC makes better build quality than Apple, I don't know why lg/Google decided to make the N4 out of glass same reason why I don't know why Samsung insist on using cheap plastic. I don't hate plastic in fact it can be pretty sturdy but Samsung since gs3 uses delicate plastic which is prone to not only cracking the screen but damaging the digitizer making touch screen unresponsive or not turn on at all. Which only cost $200 to repair. The s2 and earlier although not "sleek" were far more durable. I don't trip on materials that much after all why complain if it's plastic(or glass) of all your going to put a plastic case on it anyway(obviously not everyone)

And Iphones just work unless you need to download an attachment, copy and past efficiently, rearrange your apps to not block wallpaper, install non appstore apps the list goes on of all the things you can't do that I can do on a 4 year old phone running android 2.2 with less than 500mb of ram...yeah no thanks apple

The nexus 4 is a fine device my mom has it and for the most part it just works. My mom is by no means a tinkerer she is out of the box type of person. No root, no launcher really nothing save for deleting widgets on her desktop that she will never use. The Nexus is touted as a developer phone but IMO it's as much for the casual user as it is us xda'ers
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
Right, I'm a consumer who is always right and obviously express my personal opinion because that's what matters in the consumer world. I don't care about your pseudo-logical reasoning behind why it's OK for Android phones to be as bad as they are. I just need a phone produced by manufacturers who are more concerned about my user experience than their shareholder experience and their own bonuses, who don't try to cut corners and deliberately try to rip me off. Samsung and LG is a good example of rogue companies that deliberately and knowingly create products which would negatively impact consumers in order to archive super profits. Ironically Apple does make super profits by doing exactly the opposite - caring about end-user experience more than about anything else.
[Nexus 4 General] malikadnanm:
Why don't you cry about it
[Nexus 4 General] blttalas:
Nexus 4 is gives enough performance for me
[Nexus 4 General] xboxfanj:
Right making the same product, same os, year after year, with very few changes is really caring about user experience.
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
I would never blame Android (Google) for trying to be innovative - the problem is that before being so innovative it is absolutely essential to create a system which is stable and satisfactory for consumers, at least if you plan to market it to consumers. Consumers are not your QA team, and they are not paid for for fixing major bugs. The opposite is true - they pay for the stable product which Google fails to deliver. And that's in addition to crappy hardware, which is an absolute failure. Android is not in a position to brag about innovations yet - before you plan to get Phd, you better graduate the high school first - same idea. :)
[Nexus 4 General] Reamer09:
What I know is my Nexus 10 and Nexus 4 run flawlessly stock. They don't have issues until I start introducing external variables into the mix. I've owned flagship Samsung, HTC, and Nokia devices and the Nexus 4 is built just as good as any of them. Quit *****ing because you got one lemon out of the bunch. Apple has taken just as much of Android's technology as Android has taken Apple's. They're both innovative and both push the competition to bring out new ideas.
[Nexus 4 General] rvntn:
My experience

I've had iPhone 4 and to be honest I was satisfied with my phone (Don't remove this post yet!! :p), but when i switched to HTC One S it was like a new era, considering the fact, that i was using iOS for like 4 years, and after discovering Android it felt medieval, or even stoneage. But that's not what thread is about, so I'm going to cut it.

Comparing my previous HTC One S, Nexus 4 is different, but it is a big upgrade.

First thing that I've noticed is the pure Android experience - at first i felt a bit sad after giving up Sense because i liked the design of it, and I still do, but after a while I felt a big performance difference, N4 is so much smoother, faster, it simply has more power and even after OC'ing my OneS to 1.86GHz it was still poor compared to N4. The only thing that is worse in N4 compared to One S is the camera. They both have 8mpix, but N4 seems to have less options (at least before installing any camera app) and does crap pictures in low light environment. When looking at the design, N4 feels better in the hand without any case. When i was holding One S it felt fragile and very light (which is a good thing for some people, but i prefer phone to be heavier) - during my 1st day of using HoS, my fiance bumped me and i accidentially dropped it from 1m on a concrete - i was f****ng lucky, nothing happened, just a tiny scratch on the corner. I didn't drop my n4 yet and hopefully i will never find out how tough (or fragile) it is.

To sum up: I liked my HTC One S, but I like Nexus 4 even more :)
[Nexus 4 General] gabo_e30:
So apple is not concerned about their stocks??? That's what business is all about dude... MONEY. Every company is concerned about their stock. Oh and BTW apple WAS innovative... It has done great things for the tech world but not anymore... They just copy android since ICS was released.

And yes u r a consumer who's always right. I am a consumer too and I say the Nexus 4 is a great phone...
[Nexus 4 General] xboxfanj:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Which-platform-crashes-more-Android-or-iOS_id26542/
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
Any business is very concerned about their stocks including Apple, but there are different ways to increase the value of stocks. Apple have chosen the path of innovation, premium materials, exceptionally high quality (both hardware and software) and end-user experience. That was not an easy path - it required high investments and serious efforts. But the result was very impressive as we all know.

The other way to increase stock value is by ripping off consumers and creating bubbles. Sell underdeveloped useless plastic crap which probably costs a couple of bucks to produce for hundreds of dollars, brag that you got huge order from Google to make their Nexus devices and your stocks will go up. Cheating has always been profitable, so we are not inventing anything new here. Samsung is probably the worst culprit, but LG is not too far behind... But the worst is that Google actually fell into this trap. There is lots of really good stuff that has been coming from Google in many areas over the years, and I have no idea why Google screwed up so much with mobile devices - possibly by choosing crooked businesses as partners or not considering mobile development as a matter of great importance.
[Nexus 4 General] Thank Me Later:
Software wise this Nexus 4 beats anything I've previously owned. Butter smooth, everything works well. Love using my phone.

Camera needs major improvements. So does battery optimization. The sound/speakers aren't very good, that could improve. Android is up there on the software side. It's @ a good state but not perfect. The hardware needs to catch up. 8GB of internal storage should never be put on a smartphone like this. That's unacceptable. 16GB & 32GB are good. I'd like to see 64GB option but I don't know if that's much of a high demand.

If I could put the GS3 or iPhone 5 camera lens (I've owned both) on my Nexus 4, that'll be sick. Plus more internal storage like I mentioned.
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
Are you trolling? HTC uses premium materials... And yes samsung uses plastic but it has the latest tech and by using plastic they can make it removable battery and SD card slot which is must for many people
[Nexus 4 General] SateeshReddy:
India hasn't seen any price drop...it still is almost double the price it is offered for in other countries. I wonder if nay one is buying it here
[Nexus 4 General] lalec:
Apple makes overpriced garbage. I have seen how much trouble my son has had on his devices with battery and display failures that are difficult or very expensive to repair and with complete data loss because it was difficult to back up. Only an idiot would pay premium dollars for a device that essentially has to be replaced when the battery falls. And iTunes is the biggest display of corporate lunacy that I have ever seen.
[Nexus 4 General] phreak24:
Eventually I got lucky and bought my iPhone 5s 32GB silver after hunting for it for a month. It's still in high demand and sold out in Apple stores within an hour. Works flawlessly with Wind mobile SIM card (AWS frequencies). What a relieve after more than a year of torture by Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4!

iPhone 5s is a masterpiece in any possible aspect with it's new fingerprint sensor being surprisingly convenient. Ironically just a few days before I bought the phone I had watched the movie 'Jobs' which somewhat clarified the situation with Apple vs Android discussion for me. What would Steve Jobs do to a person who suggested to place a speaker on iPhone's flat back panel to cut production costs by a few bucks? I guess you know the answer... :) But Samsung and LG and even Google actually endorsed this obviously retarded design forcing me to put my phone upside down most of time just to be able to hear it rings!!! Why the hell would anybody deliberately jeopardize the main purpose of any phone - being able to answer it when it rings? But that's the idiots we are dealing with in Samsung, LG and, who would believe it, Google!

The issue here is not if Nexus phones are as good as iPhones, the issue is that Nexus phones are designed by people who are not creative, who lack intellect and even common sense, and who shouldn't be anywhere near consumer products creation. That's the secret of Apple - get rid of retards, keep people who are creative or at least not lacking common sense, and you'll be the best.

P.S. Nexus 5 is LG again!!! Google definitely didn't learn the lesson. Thanks god I won't be dealing with this insanity any longer...
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
Nexus is obviously not the right phone for you, Nexus devices are not for everyone. Good luck with your iphone, i hope it fulfills all your needs. Cheers

P.S. you are of course aware that you are going to get trolled for this post, so be ready for it..
[Nexus 4 General] uchihakurtz:
Hahahahaha, Nexus devices are for people who lack creativity, intellect, and common sense? You so funny dawg :D

So buying a like a 700$ phone with a unicorn-poop-coloured interface and inconsistent bugs every here and there ( www.phonearena.com/news/iOS-7-a-bug-infested-mess-or-simply-a-work-in-progress_id47928) is very intellectual?

I have to say, hardware wise, the iPhone 5S blows away Nexus 4. Remember, it is an expensive phone. But software wise, it isn't really that good.

And Nexus is for developers and advanced Android users. If you can't use a Nexus, your knowledge of Android is simply not high enough to reach our level.

I'm feeding the troll aren't I? :banghead:

Sent from my blazing fast Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
I think you're confused, you must have been looking for this place.
[Nexus 4 General] defffizz:
I think this guy is trolling, there's no way he is serious

Sexy Nexy, marclandis AOKP + Faux
[Nexus 4 General] Mavasilisk:
Wow, iOS better than Android? I wont even exchange my 256 ram tablet for an Iphone 5S! On the topic, as other people say "nexus devices aren't for everyone".
[Nexus 4 General] 350Rocket:
I'm very happy to say that my girlfriends ip4s randomly reboots regularly and does other buggy things since the ios7 update. Since she is just as bad as this guy with the apple love and never even giving android a chance it looks good on her. My one s never reboots on its own nor does my friends 3 year old HTC desire that has never had a factory reset. I also had good luck with the nexus one I had for about 9 months and it was over 3 years old when I sold it.

Nothing is perfect and that includes apple. It's ridiculous to sit here and try to convince people that clearly aren't having the same issues as you that Android is stupid
[Nexus 4 General] shadowless.notes:
Actually I've got to say that iPhone does have its good. I'm on android for customization, larger screen. But as a designer a more consistent interface is nice. That's why I like windows phone as well. Lol. Actually I'm rather neutral on this. I recommend phones to friends based on what suits them and what they think they prefer. But love my HTC Butterfly. Was deciding between the Nexus 4 and Butterfly about 8 months back and decided on butterfly for the slim profile and larger HD screen. Definitely miss the greater Dev support of the Nexus 4 though. I momentarily forgot about that when purchasing. Now I've gotta wait and pray that the kind hearted devs build more updates and Roms for the Butterfly.
[Nexus 4 General] 350Rocket:
Best phone I ever had for development was the HTC desire. So many cool and unique stable aosp roms it was incredible. Even the nexus one which was almost the same device didn't seem to have as good of a selection when I owned it later on. The desire is ancient now but it was still my favorite phone ever.
[Nexus 4 General] :
here i am to add my 3-cents.... ANDROID 100% i have never owned an apple product besides an ipod touch 4g. went through about 3 of them and it is a pain. restoring,jail-breaking,boot-times. apple is a mess if you ask me. i have been an android user since 2011 when my wife turned me on to it. i fell in love with linux os's (ubuntu,linux mint) at the time. i never left. as we all know linux/android is highly customizable and you can do just about anything to it. apple on the other hand is very limited even if jail-broken. once in that mac loop you bound by ridiculousness, paying for things that are supposed to be free,music? wth,only itunes?seriously. itunes is a mess in itself.i am watching so much people struggle with their i-phones lately its pathetic. i can see why people are with mac in terms of user friendliness which you cant get more basic than that...ITS BORING!!! Android is not that hard to use. a more cleaner,customizable interface, a lot more options, way more stable, a lot more apps, without the painful itunes.

ANYWAYS...... i just jumped from my vzw galaxy nexus up to the lg google nexus 4, and man oh man, i am very impressed with this phone. wanted an s3 but ah, i love google hardware. everything i own is pretty much google.i have not experienced any issues with this phone thus far. its AWESOME. the guy i bought it from said it was brand new. no scratches,blemishes,chips,no nothing,fresh out the box. he let me try out his n5 and that phone is the craziest nexus ive ever touched.soon ill be with the n5. until then im satisfied....VERY..... with my N4. benchmarks dont mean too much to me. the phone is liquid smooth and thats enough for me.