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[Nexus 4 General] BreakShadow:
Nexus 4 vs Xperia ZR?

I LIKE sturdy phones, I've used the weatherproof Motorola Defy and Atrix HD before.

Nexus 4 costs about 500$ in my country btw.

Sent from my Atrix HD
[Nexus 4 General] nigelw:
I was planning on getting a Nexus 4 and going SIM only, but I picked up a Lumia 920 last week for £260 including wireless charger. Have to say WP8 is very slick, way faster than my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 and it has a superb camera. Maybe if the new Nexus is released later in the year I'll consider switching back
[Nexus 4 General] cocaice2009:
Im very happy with it besides battery life...it would be cooler if the battery can be as big as 3000mAh which will give u a full day heavy use...
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
This. I would much rather have a phone with a big battery, even if it means it has to be 1-2mm thicker.
[Nexus 4 General] omarvin:
N4 does not support USBOTG (keyboard, mouse n external storage - requires 5v +)

Limited n unnoficcial suporte for 4G LTE

Underclock when run HD Games (protection against heat)

"Only" 16gb for storage

... Optimus G is an evolution of N4 ...
[Nexus 4 General] rakeshishere:
When the "any other phone" is priced 350$, only then it's true comparison. People comparing this phone to the S4 or Note 2 don't make any sense.

There are some tradeoffs in this phone but this is a value for money phone & no other phone comes even close to beating it.
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
Depends on your income. For me buying a $600-$800 phone is barely any different than buying a $388 phone (because after tax and shipping that's what it was). I'd buy Google Glass if it were available so what do I care about a GS4. It's the pure Android I'm after and I'm betting it's the same for many Nexus buyers.
[Nexus 4 General] rakeshishere:
You cant compare a cheap car to a Ferrari just because it's a vehicle at the end of the day :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
If I had the chance to trade my s3 for a nexus 4 I would

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[Nexus 4 General] futchda:
Nexus 4 working on nTelos?

I am on nTelos as well, and looking seriously at the Nexus 4, but everything I've been reading says that its only GSM not CDMA and won't work with nTelos. Is that incorrect?
[Nexus 4 General] ingenious247:
It's more like comparing a 42" TV to a 60"
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
You forget that not everyone lives in the USA. In this country the Nexus 4 retails for $800 NZD. The Galaxy S3 now retails for about $700. Note 2 is retailing at about $1050.

If you go to a parallel importer you can get S3 for $550-600, an N4 for around $600-650 or a GN2 for around $750-800.

At these prices the S3 is obviously the best value for money.

Sent from the mighty Note II
[Nexus 4 General] aakelly20:
Only thing I would change is more storage and I prefer the headphone jack at the bottom? That's just a personal preference tho. N4 ftw. Ready for 4.3 or 5.0
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
How do you find the change in operating system at that price it's so tempting.
[Nexus 4 General] nigelw:
It's good so far, battery life has been excellent and I've pretty much found equivalent apps for daily use... Apart from tapatalk. Phone was from EE so I'm currently using their PAYG for £10 a month. Not the cheapest, but after 3 months of top ups I can get it unlocked.
[Nexus 4 General] kamranhaghighi:
im stuck between htc one x and n4 i do everything whit it i care about gaming screen also i see N4 dont have too many roms as others and one x
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
Engrish?
[Nexus 4 General] Blackbox421:
Say, is the nexus 4 better than the galaxy s3? When you see the price of them both, i would buy the nexus 4, but what you guys think?
[Nexus 4 General] kurtyyyyyy:
I came from s3 to n4, and i prefer n4. Feels better, looks better, operates better.

The let downs are the camera, sound quality, non removable battery and lack of sdcard.

Which dont really bother me THAT much
[Nexus 4 General] RecklessTurtle:
Apart from objective "non-removable battery" and "memory expansion slot" issues, here are my 2-cents:

Battery: GS3 is better. A dude at the office is using stock GS3. We have similar use-cases. His battery dies about a day later than mine (btw. I get about 2.5 days on average, I'm a low user).

Screen: No comparisons here, AMOLED kills LCD everytime. Perhaps AMOLED colors are unnatural, I'd agree on that but all images on the AMOLED are more vibrant. I like vibrant :) But that doesn't mean I don't like the screen of N4. As long I don't look at S3/S4 screen, I'm fine. Ignorance is bliss you know :)

Speed: I don't play games, ergo day-to-day usage is similar.

Screen transitions and smoothness: No Android phone can even come close the N4. I've tried the mighty S4, still nope. There are hiccups, laggy transitions occasionally etc. The N4 has none of that. It if iPhone 5 smooth, if I can say so.

Fragility: You drop the S3 on the back, nothing happens. To the same to N4, cracked back. Statistically the N4 has double crack factor than the S3. I didn't start using the N4 until I put it in a protector.

Touchwiz vs Vanilla Android: Hands down, Android. The only advantage of Touchwiz is the quick toggle settings and these can easily be achieved by the Power Toggles app.

And finally, you'll always get the latest of Android straight from Google. I'm guessing, Sammy will support at most one more Android update and then pull the plug. After that, you'll need to root and walk the custom ROM route.
[Nexus 4 General] xboxfanj:
Amoled sometimes looks better for pictures, but LCD kills it for web browsing and white. Amoled white screens can be anywhere from blue, yellow, green, or pink. It's hard for me to use my dad's gs3. It's just not good for white at all. Their Black's are great, but ours are decent too.
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
AMOLED's have that damned uneven wear that causes the burn-in effect, you gotta baby the damned screen to avoid it getting ugly.

I prefer the screen on my N4 much much more than the one in my S3.

Once you get used to natural colors, the oversaturation kills you. :p

I always used my S3 in Movie or Natural mode.

Tastes vary though, and a lot of people really like the oversaturated colors.:cowboy:
[Nexus 4 General] br0ok1ynb0i:
amoled vs ips is really depends on the user. I love ips colors over the amoled by far.
[Nexus 4 General] gee2012:
And visibility in sunlight and vieuwing angles on IPS screens are much better than on Amoled screens imo.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I used to prefer AMOLED displays cause of their crazy colors and deep blacks but since the HTC One X, I prefer Super LCD displays. Its just so much easier to read outdoor and the colors are really really nice. However I much prefer an AMOLED display than the display on the Xperia Z. That thing is so washed out, the irony of waterproof.
[Nexus 4 General] rakeshishere:
Yes to see a Xperia Z screen but every review of it has been negative towards the screen which is the major factor on a phone and your eyes are on it, pretty much all the time.

Saw a LG Nexus 4 running stock rom and stock kernel and it reminded me of OneX display and I could also make out screen wasn't calibrated appropriately ;)
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Its so true that a properly calibrated nexus⁴ screen just makes a world of difference. My nexus⁴'s screen is way better than both my x+ and xperia tl by far. The colors are much richer and the screen just looks much more refined.

We see you meow on our nexus⁴ can we haz some more? Ohai there meow aren't u looking sexy
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
AMOLED screens are poor in bright sunlight, my SGS4 is barely visible, I have to tilt various sides to see anything, or get into a shaded area that's on full brightness, where as IPS/LCD screens are not as bad in sunlight. HTC screens are visibly superior. However both are great, both have trade offs, both have pros and cons and their uses. The blacks on AMOLED are just off the hook, and the whites on LCD/IPS are off the hook, now we just need a middle ground.
[Nexus 4 General] hamad138:
If bravia engine wouls be turned on all the time , the display on z would own..

I have a Nexus 4 but I think the Screen isnt that great... I hear htc one has an amazing screen also the iphone 5
[Nexus 4 General] daglesj:
You know the one thing I'd love to see go with the Nexus 4

The elimination of Package File Is Invalid :mad::mad:

What is it with installing Android apps thats so awful? With my Nexus 4 its about 1 in 3 chance of getting any app to install. Google Chrome hasnt updated since I bought the phone.

Yes I've cleared caches, Uninstalled Play Store, rooted etc. etc. but its still really poor.

I've had Blackberrys, Windows Phones and a Pre2 and they always installed all apps first time.

Why is it Android is incapable of this?:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Chris_n00bz:
I've tried SGS 3, 4 and even Note 2 only to conclude that Nexus 4 is the smoothest of all. Imo, it's as smooth as iPhone 5. In large part, this is thanks to stock Android. However stock is quite limited in functionality. Some will say that touchwiz is ugly, but it's also more functional. Nexus 4 is also a great device to experiment flashing roms and kernels.

Major disappointments for me will be the battery life, camera and speaker. However, for the price offered, it's a great product.
[Nexus 4 General] hamad138:
Touchwiz isnt ugly , stock rom is ugly and nerdy
[Nexus 4 General] TigerCourage:
The HUGE advantage of the S3 is that you can dual boot and get stock Android with CM10.1 and stock Samsung rom with all it's features. You can't do that on a Nexus.

But Nexus is aimed at developers that don't use Touchwiz's gimmicks.
[Nexus 4 General] snak3ater:
This error is a mystery..Happened to me..Asked in the Q&A but nobody replied.Well i did try all the workarounds found on google but nothing helped..Just flashed another Rom & now no more invalid package error
[Nexus 4 General] jayaaron1:
I'm thinking of buying this phone but the Xperia SP is also another compelling option. Which one should I get?
[Nexus 4 General] andybfmv96:
That's only on international though.
[Nexus 4 General] drakester09:
Touchwiz is terrible.

Your opinion is unpopular and terrible, in my humble opinion. ;)

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It's not really so much of an advantage, AOSP has several bugs on the international S3 thanks to the lack of sources. Blame Samsung.

I had it before the Nexus and the difference in performance is large.
[Nexus 4 General] Devin Cuthbertson:
The dual boot feature I thought was being taken upon, was there not any progress with that capability for the n4?
[Nexus 4 General] daglesj:
Well I found a bizarre solution of sorts. As I was getting the issue all the time I decided to wipe and hard reset my Nexus 4.

Nope that didnt fix it. Now I was getting 90% of my apps refusing to install.

Great!

After much resetting and swearing I decided to try to install the apps over 3G rather than the home wi-fi.

Well what do you know apps that had previously refused point blank to update or install went in as smooth as silk. I think one or two package invalid'ed but a re-try got them to go in.

So for me it seems I can only update over 3G and not over wi-fi.

Hmmmmm not great.
[Nexus 4 General] illgodson:
Weird I never had this issue with any of my phones over the years, about 7-9 devices too, I think I have seen that issue like twice. Is it more phone specific or OS version or something else?
[Nexus 4 General] mrjimyjohn:
I had a similar problem with my old NS in the GB days - I could only install/update apps over wifi. Haven't had that problem since though...
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
The nexus 4 kicks the international s3s Arse and obviously leaves my iPhone 4s eating dust

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Using Nexus4 stock and unrooted, Kii keyboarding it up!
[Nexus 4 General] Humpus:
I'm having the same issue. Camera quality of the SP isn't that great, from what I've seen. I expected better from Sony. Nexus is the older phone and has less battery life. Can anyone compare these phones in real life?
[Nexus 4 General] Spl4tt:
What? No, it even kicks the S4 and iPhone5's arse :P

The GS4 and the One are hard to beat, but hardware wise all of those are almost equal. It's a matter of taste. It's an amazing year for Android xP
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Haha I suspected so but I haven't posted with the s4 enough to say it conclusively XD

Incidentally, I'm interested in how n⁴ stock compares to iPhone 5 in benchmarks, anyone know?

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Am I right that the xperia phones have an almost stock experience with a few mods?

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[Nexus 4 General] Spl4tt:
Well the only real SoC difference between n4 and the One/GS4 is a newer memory tech as much as I know. Else, CPU-Z even recognizes my N4 as a snapdragon 600 phone, even though it's a s4 pro chip. But I guess the difference is just too small..

Uhm, and I think you can't compare an Android phone with an iPhone. These are different systems.

I don't care about benchmarks anyway. In my experience, all phones with great benchmarks sucked bigtime in day to day use and phones like the n4 and galaxy nexus sucked in benchmarks but felt so much better and smoother..
[Nexus 4 General] Humpus:
Like Jayaaron1 askes, what are the pro's and con's of the N4 regarding the Xperia SP? Battery life on the SP seems to be better, but are they comparable otherwise?
[Nexus 4 General] daglesj:
Okay update to this with another kind of workaround.

I can now update more reliably if I use the wi-fi while in my bedroom!

Let me explain. My Draytek wi-fi router sits in the living room/office. It has three antennas on it (one 5dBi and two 3dBi) and pushes out a good signal. I usually sit about 10 feet from it and I think maybe the signal just overwhelms the N4.(??)

If I go further away the reliability of updates improves dramatically. So if I'm into the three bar strength it updates about 90% of the time okay.

Weird!:silly:
[Nexus 4 General] dumber89:
haha I wish u guys know how happy I am to take a huge leap from my Nokia 5800 to N4:victory:. Luckily I had Android exp wit the KindleFire b4 so I take full advantages of N4 over KF. And I was even more happy when watching N4 scratch test on youtube :laugh: even more more happy with build quality with first few comments of this topic.

toast to N4 owners! :fingers-crossed::highfive:
[Nexus 4 General] blsrbl:
Nexus 4 or Note II ?
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Either nexus4 or wait 2or 3 months for note 3

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[Nexus 4 General] blsrbl:
In fact, i'm waiting for the nexus 5 cuz i don't have a phone i sold my galaxy nexus. The note III will be 6 inch display and that's too big for me. I think i'm gonna get the nexus 4 and pick a nexus 5 when it comes out.
[Nexus 4 General] mrpinochio:
currently Buying N4 is mission impossible :))
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Depends on what you think is important in a phone. I can tell you that for me, the s pen is the coolest, most practical thing to happen to mobile phones in years. Battery life on the Note 2 is literally twice that (if not more) of the N4. And of course the screen size on the N2 dwarfs the N4. Also, if youre a rom flasher, the N2 might be a better fit due to having an SD card slot. It's so nice to be able to save multiple ROMs for backup without worrying about space. These features may not be important to you though...just have to weigh the pros and cons.
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
Where can I take a phone from? I much rather take one then buy one;);)
[Nexus 4 General] pnut22r:
Can anyone give a good comparison of this vs the us galaxy s3?

I'm very curious. I've got an unopened 16gb n4, and a gs3 waiting at T-Mobile for me for 400$

I'm torn on the obvious stuff, is there anything I should know before deciding.

How much better is the camera on the s3? I know its better.... How much?
[Nexus 4 General] ghettopops:
? If you know/think camera is better why ask? I think everyone's opinions are mixed as to which phone has better camera. AP ran all over your Bears.
[Nexus 4 General] pnut22r:
Thanks. Yes he did. He is amazing, MVP for sure. I can't believe how strong he runs. Awesome

So you like the camera huh? I've used the n4 camera on my wife's phone, just haven't on the s3. I need a quick camera, not necessarily better.

Thanks
[Nexus 4 General] radlink14:
I used my note 2 all day yesterday and today without dying. Tomorrow I will test the nexus 4 to see of it'll at least last me 15hrs with my usage. I use Bluetooth all day and like to stream Pandora. And make calls on my phone. I wish the note 2 was 5 inches. If only. That phone is a beast I am so shocked how long the battery lasted me.
[Nexus 4 General] miku3191:
Nexus 4 !!!

Voting for NEXUS 4 !!! :) :cowboy:
[Nexus 4 General] gazelem37:
Pissed Off!

You're not kidding! I ordered when it came available again on Nov. 27 and as luck would have it that card I ordered with on Google Wallet had some fraud come through a few days later so I had to cancel my order since that card wasn't valid anymore. All Google said they could do is have me order another 1. So instead of 4 more days of waiting to get my phone I'm 6 weeks out! Pissed me off!!!!:mad:
[Nexus 4 General] Sizzlechest:
Don't know about the camera, but...

The N4's screen is smaller, not just because of the "0.1" difference in size. It's because the S3 has capacitive buttons, and the N4 uses software buttons. You lose that real estate on the N4. The side-by-side comparison of the S3 and N4 screens is striking. The N4 looks washed out compared to the S3. The S3 colors and contrast is so vivid. The N4 has that ****ing stupid MTP mode, which Google forced on us. The Samsung (at least on T-Mobile) retains USB Host Mode, so it will work without any problems on any standard USB device. The N4 USB port can't support USB devices because it doesn't supply the 5V needed. I don't know about the S3.

The N4 is cheaper, but I wish I had a S3. I got the N4 because I didn't know about the stuff I wrote above and I assumed the quad processor of the N4 would blow away the dual processor core of the US version of the S3. I haven't attempted to run anything too processor intensive as a side-by-side comparison, but the S3 is butter smooth on everything I've seen.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the N4 doesn't have a removable battery, but the S3 does and my N4 gets really hot when doing something "simple" like playing Angry Birds Star Wars.
[Nexus 4 General] Perf_white_gt:
I am thinking they should rename the team the Minnesota Petersons and just get it over it. Take christian ponder out of the equation and just direct snap it to him every single play.
[Nexus 4 General] shemensoia:
i think its the best phone

nowdays
[Nexus 4 General] tatltael:
If you're a ROM flasher you'd know that the nexus devices usually have the best ROM development out there >_>
[Nexus 4 General] Chad_Petree:
Why is the nexus thicker than the lg optimus g? Did LG made the nexus 4 "worse" on purpose so that it wouldn't steal the optimus' g thunder? I get that the used 8 gb and 16 gb to reduce costs in order to keep the price low, no lte so we can use unlocked on any network and not having to pay LTE royalties , but why is it thicker than the optimus g? the nexus 4 is even larger so they had more space to put the components in, the optimus g has wireless charging too? if not that may be the reasing why the nexus is thicker

Nexus 4: 133.9 x 68.7 x 9.1 mm (5.27 x 2.70 x 0.36 in)

Lg Optimus G: 131.9 x 68.9 x 8.5 mm (5.19 x 2.71 x 0.33 in)
[Nexus 4 General] drpepe:
0.6mm thicker???? 2mm longer and 0.2mm wider?

can that really be described as "worse"?

i don't think i'd even notice it
[Nexus 4 General] rbrucemtl:
Take the S3

I would not trade my S3 over clocked to 1.8Ghz with 80GB storage for a N4 ever,

I'll take the AMOLED displays contrast and vivid colors over the "more realistic?" dull washed out colors of LCD with color shift, light bleed and yellow spots and tint.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Wow some people get so defensive, what about to each his own? Since you don't own the N4 maybe you should take this discussion else where and bash the N4 from your forum. Looking at your post history leads me to think that the only reason you have logged on in recent weeks is to give this phone a hard time. What I find amazing is although a few people have reported problems with the screen, most don't. Yet similarly, people report problems with amoled screens all of the time. Color banding, dead pixels, and and led burn in just to name a few. However, you clearly know this but you still seem to think YOUR thoughts are absolute and no one else's opinion deserves any merit. The truth is both screen technologies have advantages and disadvantages over each other and which technology a person likes better is their opinion. The same goes for the S3 to the N4.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] MBX5T:
..

agree with you bro
[Nexus 4 General] rbrucemtl:
The guy was asking if he should buy the S3 or keep the N4... I posted my opinion.

Whats your problem?
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Your only posts in weeks are bashing this phone yet you have never owned one. You should consider being a little less subjective.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] mdcykkk9:
What i like from my nexus is the clean unbranded look of the front of the phone. I don't understand why all manufacturers have the need to put their name at front side

Chuck Norris sent this with my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] blsrbl:
+1 Exactly agreed.
[Nexus 4 General] IRX120:
Yeah I can't stand that, that's why the phones I buy must be nexus

Sent from my Nexus 4 @1.944 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 4 General] ryuker:
I always wanted to give a Xiaomi or Meizu a shot and try selling them in the USA.....how is it compared to the N4?
[Nexus 4 General] Chris_n00bz:
Put price difference aside, I'll choose Note II any day. Better camera and battery life are two main reasons to decide that. However, it's a good idea to see what Note III will bring to the table.
[Nexus 4 General] Humpus:
Or oppo.
[Nexus 4 General] ryuker:
I wonder what english rom support is like.

I used to use pantech phones which is a korean brand that rarely get released in the USA....find stuff for that was kinda of a PITA but good phone company with decent default interface.
[Nexus 4 General] sidkan:
xperia ZR Vs nexus 4

Say, is the nexus 4 better than the Xperia ZR?since the price in my country is nearly the same, which would you suggest?
[Nexus 4 General] AmoghJahagirdar:
N4 rules
[Nexus 4 General] 350Rocket:
Htc phones in Canada on most carriers just say HTC on the front as opposed to tmobile or whatever in the US.

One big bonus to Canadian sold phones.
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
I wonder how the Nexus 4 will stack up against the Moto X. According to speculation, it won't be a powerhouse like the GSIV or One, but it'll be a personalized intelligent smartphone.
[Nexus 4 General] mindlesSheep:
got rid of htc desire x... bought n4... propably best thing I have ever done with mobile phone...
[Nexus 4 General] olivier1510:
What country are you in? And how much is the Xperia ZR?

I live in France and UK but I can't find the Xperia ZR... :(

I think it should be better than N4 since slightly smaller (better for one-hand use), better camera, waterproof and micro-SD slot!