[Nexus 4 General] Zanthexter:
Oh my god, and it's incredibly easy to do it by accident just by clicking all the pop up boxes that come up when you connect an iPhone to iTunes for the first time. You get towards the end after going click click click click (so many pointless questions) for what feels like forever, and when the "do you want to restore OldPhoneBackupName to this phone?" pops up you just automatically click, and BAM, you're screwed. There's nothing to make the question stand out, and no pop up red alert are you SURE!? sort of confirmation. It just immediately wipes and restores.

Battery life I get as an issue, but once you're at 8-12Mb down, which the N4 will do on T-Mobile, I don't see how LTE vs HSPA even matters. Sure, 21Mb down is bragging rights, but in actual use the difference just isn't noticeable. Even most video streams (NEtflix, Hulu, etc.) top out at around 8Mb. So, great, a new app downloads 5 seconds faster. Yay?

Take a look at the iFixIt teardown. The battery IS sealed, so you're not going to just be swapping it for a fresh one in the middle of the day. But if you keep the phone long enough for battery life to get bad, it's not all that hard to replace it with a screwdriver and 5-10 minutes of patient prying.

Honestly, right now I'd recommend a Windows phone over either Android or IOS to most "regular" (goes to a web site address by typing it into the Google search box) users specifically BECAUSE most folks install few if any apps, and just use whatever the phone comes with. As shipped, the Windows phones offer a pretty good experience. Really nice and really polished. Very "discoverable", more so even than iOS. My Dad, Luddite that the old fart is (love you Dad! :) ) would do more with a Win8 phone than an iPhone specifically because he wouldn't need "an app for that".

For the power users of the world though... I have certain apps I MUST have to do my job. I wish they'd land on Windows Phone 8, because I'd love to give it a few weeks as my primary OS. But until then, no dice. Since my MUST have apps are all "top 500" kinda apps, there's at least hope for a port though.

Only partly in reply to what you said, but since the vast majority of people leave the cell phone store with a case on their phone I've never understood the nitpicking about the attractiveness of the device or whether the back feels "premium" or not. Once it's covered in a case, a case is what you see and feel. At that point all that matters is performance, internal build quality, and how nice the screen looks, everything else is hidden.

If the Nexus 4 was a slippery fingerprint magnet in neon purple with pink ponies all over it, it'd look and feel exactly the same in the matte black hard case I bought (in case the "bumper case" doesn't seem sufficient in actual use) than the for real Nexus 4 looks.

Grin, but, well, since the Nexus 4 is quite attractive (much more so than any iPhone!), I'm looking forward to leaving it "mostly naked" with a bumper case and showing it off to folks. Wouldn't want the folks at Google to feel their efforts were unappreciated...

Why not something like an Owl QI charger, and a BlueTooth receive plugged into your aux jack? No wires to mess with at all at that point.

http://www.youtube.com/user/owlwlc

The Qi compatible wireless charger mount ought to work fine with the Nexus. I don't know of anyone that's actually ordered one and tested though. Here's the OwlPad Qi wireless home and charger combo kit for the Galaxy S2 if you're interested: http://owlpad.net/full-sets-for-galaxy-s2/

Personally, I can't stand the "aquarium/Avatar" look, whether it's on a phone or a TV. So many many MANY terribly adjusted TV's might explain why people look for the same thing on phone screens. They're used to it.

Me, personally, I want skin to look like HUMAN skin, not "inner lit" demi-god skin. The cartoonish TouchWiz interface is one of the seriously annoying things about the Note II to me. When I look at a photo or a video with grass and trees in it, I want to see shades of green, not just iguana emerald.

I realize cost isn't much of an issue for some folks, but for those that it is, the difference over two years can be VERY substantial.

I've got a Solavei SIM arriving tomorrow, or the day after, that'll run me $49 a month taxes and fees included for unlimited talk, unlimited text, 4GB of fast 4G data, unlimited 2G data, with roaming, call forwarding, and soon even WiFi calling. Houston has good T-Mobile coverage that I know will work quite well. Solavei markets like MaryK or Tupperware, so you can get $20 a month off your bill

every month

for everyone you've referred to the service divided by 3 (rounded down). I figure I can find 3 people to refer without TOO much effort (if you do decide to sign up with Solavei, consider PM'ng me for a referral link) so hope to see my bill drop to $29 or less each month.

$29 a month x 24 = $696. The Nexus 4 cost me $393 shipped.That's a total 2 year cost to own and use the phone of $1089 with 3 referrals that hang around, or $1,569 if you just pay for the plan without bothering with the referral thing.

For comparison, your $180 One X+ on AT&T would run $140 a month for unlimited voice, unlimited text, and 5GB data (plus taxes and fees, less any employer discounts), so that's roughly $3540 over 2 years. That's over a $2,000 difference. Dunno about you, but $2k is a fair amount of money for me.

You realize that you just successfully rebutted your own point?

HTC could easily offer Sense in exactly the same way they do now, AND offer an alternate downloadable ROM that was stock Android for folks that tired of Sense or wanted to fiddle.

Providing the option to choose would be a huge differentiator. One that'd be immensely popular with the Android community. Popularity with the community matters, because odds are that the opinion of someone who can tell the difference between HC and JB is going to influence the purchases of all their friends and family. With many in the community feeling it's best to avoid HTC over the upgrade problems, that's got to have contributed at least a little to their huge drop in sales.

I couldn't agree more. I actually have liked Sense over the years, and have loved HTC's hardware quality. But when I spend hundreds of dollars for a phone or tablet, I expect active support for it's lifetime, not 6 months. And by lifetime, I mean the 2 year contract that I was stuck with on the last two HTC devices I bought. My HTC View 4G is a perfect example, $500 PLUS a 2 year contract, and kicked to the curb about two months after I bought it. The update to HC was a disaster. And that's the kicker, lack of 4G/WiMax, GPS, and working cameras aside, it runs well and smoothly on CM10 proving that it's quite capable of running JB if HTC cared to support it.

Given their plummeting sales, somehow I don't think I'm the only person that feels burned by past HTC puchases.

It's funny you say that. For all the talk in this thread about people going with the Nexus 4 because they love to download new ROM's constantly, I'm going with it for the opposite reason: I'm tired of hoping that today, finally, the ROM will be feature complete and 100% working. I DO want the improvements new versions of Android bring, they've been quite substantial and greatly beneficial. But I'm very tired of discovering that, oops, no GPS today, or oops, battery life bug today. I figure with the Nexus I'll get timely usable updates every so often, without the reliability problems a lot of custom ROMs have.

The thing to ask yourself regarding storage, is how much actually needs to be IN the phone, at all times, largely sitting there never watched or listened to, versus available over the internet? Unless you're on a plane, the local storage just isn't the huge problem a lot of people make it out to be.

Hate to admit it, but you pretty much nailed my experience and feelings after buying the HTC View 4G and then the Sensation 4G.