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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ghisy:
RGB/gamma options would be really great in this kernel. I'm sure _motley can make it happen! ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ptesmoke:
There is rgb.

Gamma most likely won't happen as its currently not GPL compliant. But here's hoping it will be.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] greg17477:
by "currently" you surely mean "the way faux123 handles it, is not GPL compliant" ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ptesmoke:
Yes. But I'm not one to call out names.

Nothing against him at all, but that's why we don't have it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] greg17477:
I did not mean any disrespect for faux123 (just to be clear). But there may be other way to implement the gama settings.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jacklebott:
People, Faux's gamma control has nothing to do with the kernel, so why even discuss it?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lazer155:
Has anyone been getting "connection time out" error when using the play store? I get them whether I am on 3g or wifi. My wifi connection is stable so that isn't the cause. I didn't get these error until I started using this kernel. It's very intermittently occurring and I can't find a pattern to what causes it. I'm using the latest kernel version and am running the stock rom. I made sure to use the kernel reset package that motley made before actually flashing the motley kernel.

Also does motley experimental modify the ramdisk compared to stock? I am trying to install CM and want to make sure motley is compatible but it needs a stock ramdisk to do so. In this post, it sounded like the ramdisk for the experimental is modified:

But you mention it being compatible with CM. Is it fully compatible?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ghisy:
Oh but is it possible to configure it with an app?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dwang:
Best battery life I've ever had using exp10.

. auto brightness

. WiFi on all the time

. negligible hsic wake locks

. all Google services enabled

. auto location update disabled

. exchange sync every hour
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ptesmoke:
Sure it does...it was requested numerous times. And its implemented @ the kernel.

A lot of ppl are unaware why its not implemented by other Devs, so I was simply pointing out why.

Sure is! I use trickster mod app. Highly recommend it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigeyes0x0.trickstermod
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Just flashed this kernel, noticed the CPU is at 1.5mhz just as much as 304mhz. Battery drains faster as well. Is it supposed to be like this?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tengen:
I've been getting intermittent 3g/data drops the last few days. My data connection will cut out randomly, then reconnect after 15-20 seconds or so. I don't think it's a signal strength issue, as I rarely drop below 3 bars.

I am significantly undervolted - could that be the cause? Everything else seems to run fine at my current voltage settings. If it is a voltage issue, would I need to raise the voltage across the board or just at specific frequencies?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ptesmoke:
Are you on a cm nightly that's a day or so old?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jacklebott:
It's only implemented by faux's app, and works on the stock kernel, so no it's not implemented in the kernel
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Pete7ate:
Keep up the good work.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ptesmoke:
uh-huh, and where pray-tell are the changes being made? there's a reason it works with his kernel and stock, and no other kernels, and yes i own his paid app.

anyways, its totally up to motley where and what he wants to do with gamma control.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Hung0702:
How long have you had the phone? I feel like this is a significant issue that affects a small, albeit non-negligible, percentage of us. I've experienced this for several weeks and if you Google the issue, you'll find many others are as well. However, there's no easy fix at the moment. You can request a replacement, but no guarantee that it'll come in the next month.

Know that some one emphasizes with you, though. And I'm using fauxkernel as well!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dwang:
Do u get these issues w stock kernel or pre exp10?

I haven't run into any mobile data issues w exp10. I have run into 3g issues however w some of the other kernels such as Franco and faux which had merged in some of the hsic 3g power saving patches. A lot of them have since been reverted due to widespread reporting of 3g problems.

Even the cm10.1 kernel had the patches and have all since been reverted.

afaik, exp10 doesn't have the 3g patches.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tengen:
Nope, stock rooted.

Thanks :) Yeah, I found a new-ish thread last night where people are discussing a similar issue. It seems like it may have something to do with switching from Wi-Fi to 3G. I'm playing with some different APNs etc. right now to see if that makes a difference.

I'm on motley mainline build 57 right now, but I might give exp.10 a try, thanks.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Hung0702:
I just tried build 57 and I'm still getting data drops. Swapped back to faux for the stability with UV and governors. I haven't used sick in a while but I can't recall data drops ever happening in the week before that first AOKP release was compiled and posted on the non-original dev sub-forum.

I just realized you might be talking about a different kernel from 57. Although, I really like my kernel and can live without data as long as I've got the ubiquitous WiFi in my city. Would love to have data on the road, bug I can live without streaming NPR off hours.

I'm using the phone apn. I went to an AT&T store and they got the apn from a site just as we would.

Here's an album with my settings. I've got a 4G SIM but only an HSPA+ provisioned account.

http://imgur.com/a/D6C87
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Hung0702:
Double post
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bamsbamx:
What rom are you using??? I want to set status bar like that ;D

I am using codefireX, can I do that with this rom???
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rlaw:
Paranoid Android.

That's the old tablet mode, not possible on any other ROM. You could change dpi in build.prop to get current tablet mode on your ROM if you so desire.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Hung0702:
Actually I wasn't able to trigger tablet mode under any dpi with any ROM. AFAIK, you have to use Paranoid Android.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rlaw:
I'm assuming you're referring to tablet mode with combo bar at bottom. That's because Google no longer uses that UI layout for Jelly Bean.

All modern UI layouts for Android include separated nav and status bars.

You can change dpi to trigger app layout changes and dual panes, etc. But you'll need PA's hacked together implementation of the old tablet layout if you want to use it on latest Jelly Bean.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lazer155:
If I just flashed a new CM 10.1 nightly, do I need to use your reset zip before flashing the experimental build beta 10? Or is the fresh CM 10.1 flash enough to reset everything to prepare for motley beta 10 experimental?

CM has a custom kernel so that is why I am wondering if a dirty flash like the OP mentions is enough to apply the motley kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rlaw:
No. You can just flash the cm 10.1 version of the experimental over your ROM flash.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] magestic1995:
Any updates still coming out or now that the build is stable has development stopped?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _motley:
Sorry folks. I have been really busy lately with family stuff and work deadlines. I have some things in the pipeline and just need a bit of time to go back and finish. I am hoping to release a new version this weekend.:fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
Hey I'm running b10 and performance is definitely great. I'm using your default settings and have noticed with normal usage like email, tapatalk, Facebook, email, the CPU mainly stays at 300 or 1500 MHz. Is this intended or just a result of early development? Here's a screenshot of just a few minutes sample time for an example.

Thanks!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] batman368:
new version sounds awesome! but take your time, exp b10 is running super stable for me, while being ridiculously energy efficient, 2 days with 3hours screen on is easily possible :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] air2k57:
This kernel is amazing! I used to use Franco and tried matrix as well. Neither are ad fast as this one, nor provide as good of a battery!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dwang:
Agreed. I periodically try the other kernels (Franco, faux, harsh, etc) but none of them seem to provide the speed, battery life, and stability that motley's exp10 kernel does.

Too bad this kernel isn't as popular the others as this is the best out of all of them.

Highly underrated.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lazer155:
Exactly. I tried franco and several other kernels too and none of them provided the same speed, battery life and stability as motley. I was hesitant to switch to motley because it isn't nearly as popular as I would expect it to be for the level of performance it provides.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
I am noticing the exact same thing. Franco's is definitely overhyped. This one makes the other kernels feel slow, and so far, battery life is great. I'll have a better idea about that this evening of course.

Edit: The only thing I miss is full gamma control from Faux's kernel. I realize it's not open source though, so I understand why it's not included. Maybe Motley can provide a solution :).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ctfrommn:
Here here! I will be all over this again when gamma is included. Motley builds a crazy fast efficient kernel. I will say Franco's is not hyped though, that is also a very very nice kernel. These are the only 2 customs I will use.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dwang:
Plus Motley doesn't seem to have such a big head and ego as some of the "more popular" devs. :)

His response to questions are always cordial and non-condescending.

And I really like the detailed change logs that he provides in the OP. I know exactly whats in each release.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] karanrajpal14:
Amen to this!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
I know Franco is very smart and does great work, but the overall product is simply worse in terms of speed/smoothness and battery life. He refuses to include undervolting, which is fine, but he'll never have competitive battery life without it I'm afraid. His latest builds are choppy in gaming after a little while. Maybe he just needs more time to refine it, but Motley sure got it right very quickly.

I think that some developers try to do TOO much of their own original functions, which turns out to be worse than stock.

I used Franco for a long time on my Galaxy Nexus, and I liked it. However, I changed to Leankernel after that and realized that it gave me a smoother experience and very similar battery life. Franco has a HUGE following, and again he's very good, but I would still say overhyped because quite simply his kernels are not the best. Motley deserves more respect!

---------- Post added at 01:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:29 PM ----------

Absolutely! He has earned my respect in many ways.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dwang:
I've personally gotten over 5.30 hours of screen time and 17hours of battery life with motley exp10 (which i've posted screen shots of in this thread) and this kernel is way faster and smoother than the others. And this is with the default settings,no messing with init.d or paid kernel apps.

So yes, you can have your cake and eat it too. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] samwebbo1990:
Sorry if this has been answered already but I was wondering what settings are best for battery with this kernel?

I've been on either Franco or Faux's kernel since I've had the phone and I've heard great things with this kernel and my ROM (code fire x). :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] poolemit:
i just flashed b10 and want to undervolt. a few questions:

-- my current voltages in trickster mod look like this: http://i.imgur.com/jVKNa.png -- are these the stock N4 voltage settings? are there even stock voltage settings or are they different for every phone, dependent upon CPU binning, etc? or, does motley kernel UV out of the box?

-- if I want to UV from here what is my course of action? just begin UV'ing, running stability tests in trial and error fashion until it reboots?

thanks for any pointers!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lazer155:
If you're using experimental beta 10, the stock settings work really well. If you want a little more savings you could change the governor to on-demand instead of interactive. But with stock settings (interactive governor) and no adjustments, I've gotten over 6 hours of screen on time. I recommend trying it without any adjustments before making any changes. Motley has the stock settings really well tuned. The way he has it set now, it under volts a bit, stock, based on your CPU bin.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tengen:
Yes, I believe there are different voltage settings depending on the binning of the CPU, and yes, motley kernel UVs out of the box. If you want to test your phone's limits a bit, make sure that your CPU settings are NOT set to apply on boot until you're certain that a particular setting is stable. You may also want to have a nandroid backup - it never hurts to be safe :)

For me, instability from UVing usually showed up in the camera app - it would either lock up, refuse to take pictures, or produce strange visual artifacts in photos. So that's one good place to check for stability.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] poolemit:
thanks! i just re-read OP, and it looks like motley himself added different frequency tables to UV slightly depending on cpu bin. i'm curious if stock N4 also had different voltage settings or if they're all the same. also, it'd be nice to have the stock (non-motley kernel) freq/mV table for reference. does anyone have those?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rlaw:
If you have a slow binned chip, I know it uses the stock table.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] azrash:
If Dwang is recommending it, then I'm definitely going with this when I get my N4! Still remember you from the G1 days! Great time.

Would you mind sharing what ROM you are using?

Sent from my Desire Z
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
Why exactly is the lowest step 304mhz? Wouldn't 200 or 100 have brought even more battery gain? What exactly made you say "let's make it 304"?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] samwebbo1990:
This kernel is the s***! So under rated! Getting amazing results with Code fire X ROM, heading for about 5 1/2 screen on time and I'm not even on wifi! Thank you! :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] raz123:
Sweet kernel!

Think ROW scheduler could be added?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] karanrajpal14:
Freak! So fast! Buddy this is the best kernel ever! Amazing! :-O
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] poolemit:
so after tinkering with my phone quite a bit i think i've found the lowest possible stable voltages. i used the scaling stability test and ran each frequency for 2 minutes or 2 passes (whichever took longer) and also snapped a couple of pics w/ flash on each. i'm going to add an extra 12.5mv to all to be on the safe side and see how it goes. is this in line with what everyone is doing/seeing?

304 - 1026 - 700mv

1134 - 837.5mv

1242 - 862.5mv

1296 - 900mv

1350 - 922.5mv

1404 - 950mv

edit: cpu bin is 'fast'
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] consolidate42:
Motley's experimental b10 really is without a doubt the best kernel I've tried so far. And I do mean to imply that there is something off with all the others.

It's easy for people in the echo-chamber environment of development threads to suffer from wishful thinking and quickly forget just how smooth the stock kernel really is. All other custom non-mpdecision kernels take a huge hit in performance which is immediately apparent in normal usage and benchmarks... except for motley's.

My cpu frequencies and electrical current usage are overlay-ed whenever I try out a new kernel and this one is simply perfect. The governor ramps up perfectly to handle screen-dragging and gaming, hovers conservatively in the mid-range when watching video, and immediately snaps back down to min clocks whenever nothing is happening.

His voltage curve makes a lot more sense than many others I've seen - smaller gaps in frequency correspond to smaller gaps in voltage. I know that my chip is stable at both 1350mhz @ 925 mV and 304mhz @ 600mV. But whether or not it is stable at all frequencies between those two depends on the voltage curve. If I try the same across the board UV with either Bricked or Matr1x's kernels, my phone is not stable because there is some frequency in between that unstable.While I understand that the correlation between frequencies and their minimum stable voltages isn't perfectly linear, it still bugs me when when I see other kernels have two frequencies share the same voltage. If the two clocks distinct enough to delegate to different cpu loads, then give them different voltages. If not, then simply remove one of the two all together.

I've admittedly gone nuts testing all manner and variety of custom kernels these past few weeks and have found significant drawbacks to every single one except for motley's.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] samwebbo1990:
Is trickster mod not applying my voltage values correctly or is it normal to be able to under volt under 600,000? I'm testing 562500 and it still seems stable!

Edit: Forget that, realised its capped at 600000 :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] poolemit:
i thought it's capped at 700mv -- can anyone confirm?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] consolidate42:
I think it's still uncertain as there is no easy way to measure cpu voltage directly.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] poolemit:
i meant that motley caps the minimum voltage being set at the kernel level to be 700mv (anything lower is overridden). at least that's what it was a month or so ago, unless he's lowered it more since then.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rlaw:
Fairly certain he's removed that, think the limit is now 600.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] samwebbo1990:
Yep its 600 now
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mobilehavoc:
This kernel is very close to stock performance out of the box. Loving it after having used Franco for a while
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] xda890:
I am thinking about trying this kernel but I am not sure if I should go for the mainline version or the experimental one? How experimental is it, is it still stable or?

Regards,

BTJ
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jacklebott:
Shouldn't 922.5mV be 925mV? There's no 22.5mV step :p

Or maybe you meant 912.5mV
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] consolidate42:
On b10 my lowest stable with +12.5mV are:

304...1026 - 600mV

1134 - 850mV

1242 - 875mV

1296 - 912.5mV

1350 - 922.5mV

1404 - 950mV

1458 - 965mV

1512 - 987.5mV
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rlaw:
Experimental build is very stable. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] keda:
That's crazy. I could never go below 1000mV. Otherwise camera with flash will crash after few shots.

You should do more extensive test.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] consolidate42:
I first locked and tested each frequency individually and then used Stability's Test's scaling mode @ 15 sec for each step for about 10 minutes.

What's strange is the big jump between 1026mhz and 1134mhz. :confused:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rbanaco:
Hello people,

I would like to give it a go on this kernel. Although I'm not a guy that is used to UV and OC and that kind of things. Is this kernel good in stock settings? I mean without modifying stuff after flash!

isn't this dangerous if the device gets hot? Or is it well adjust for cases of gaming and so on?

Experimental Features (in addition to base features)

proprietary mpdecision and thermald daemons removed

In-kernel auto-hotplug (thanks to thalamus). I have exposed the tuning parameters and debug mode to userspace.

In-kernel thermal solution with customized auto shutdown, dynamic polling, and configurable throttle temp.

Full ramdisk install with init.d support for stock/AOSP (CM already has support)

Thanks for the help!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] consolidate42:
The experimental build is very stable and works great on stock settings without any tweaking. It has a built-in UV that should be safe for your phone.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] whittikins:
Agreed 100%. This is the best one!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] keda:
stock setting works just fine. Haven't experience any problem yet.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bash156:
sorry for noob question guys I am currently rooted stock rom with Franco kernel. I want to try the Motley kernel. To do this can I flash my nandroid backup of my stock rom and then flash this kernel

Thanks in advance for your help
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Correct. Or flash a reset kernel and then this.

If you were on a custom rom you would have flashed your rom followed by the kernel, that would have removed Franco's RAM disk.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] keda:
Franco's kernel had modified ramdisk. You probably need to flash the stock boot.img and then flash N4_421_stock_kernel_and_components.zip in OP. Then clear your cache and Dalvik.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bash156:
Thanks guys gonna try with flashing nandroid backup first if my stock kernel displays then sweet which
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Another way is to just flash your rom and gapps again, then the kernel of your choice
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bash156:
guys do you recommend b57 or build 10
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] keda:
I'll recommend exp10. Super smooth and working great for me.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] co.ag.2005:
I second this. Phenomenal kernel!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Let's see what this is all about then..:p
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bash156:
exp10 installed thanks for the advice guys
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] karanrajpal14:
You won't regret it buddy! Guarantee that! Enjoy!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dark_ente:
Trying this out, thanks motley

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Simer03:
Yes.... Let's...

Sent from my Google Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rbanaco:
Are you guys having good battery life and performance when needed? Little drains when in soft use, almost no drain with no use, and great performance in games I mean ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ptesmoke:
I'm lower on faster binned. 600mv on 304 . 925mv on 1500
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Kernel is very smooth, shame it doesn't allow a bit of over clocking.

Going back to trinity (I find the latest unparalleled right now), will certainly come back and try again in a few builds time!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Simer03:
I test kernels by over using the recent button.... This kernel has no lag at all whatsoever with it! Really impressed! Can't say the same about other kernels I've used

Sent from my Google Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Didn't get that far, will try it soon again on a fresh rom install though. :thumbup: It certainly is promising!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Somairotevoli:
Yes, yes, and yes.

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