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[Nexus 4 General] PROGUERAM:
Now I've come down to Lumia 820 vs N4. Can't decide.. Any help?

Sent from my DROID RaZr on JB.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Well that's easy windows phone that's locked down worse than iOS or android. You already know the differences and I doubt very many people will recommend Widows

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] sebbo90:
Tbf if I had the money I would have got the note 2 instead of the nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Doughnut:
Forget windows, that **** was cool way back in the days of Windows Mobile when there was hardly an alternative to PDA Phones...

We've come a long way since, Windows mobiles don't even cross my mind when it comes to buying a new phone :)
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Windows phone is actually amazing, dont listen to armchair critics, try it for yourself. Until the current generation of android phones with jelly bean and powerful processors (n4,s3 etc) IMO there was no better choice than wp7 or wp8. Jelly bean made android the winner for me, I love the s3 but to people who wouldn't make the most out of android I'd still recommend a lumia device.

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[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
JB really isn't that different from ICS. ICS was a real breakthrough I think. But so were froyo, GB... That's the thing, Android keeps evolving with pretty much every version. I expect KLP to be a big one. Not in terms of features but in terms of optimisation.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
True. I think froyo and ICS were the game changers. JB added the icing on the cake.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
I see JB as more of an experiment where Google is trying to rival wp8 and ios for smoothness. Implementation sucks imho, as they said "hey, we have crap loads of cores let's use them!" instead of optimising things. However optimisation is limited due to the use of java vm. I could go on and on about these things which are mainly imho anyway, but anyway.

I think in KLP they will get project butter right.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Hopefully KLP project butter will be less aggressive on the CPU. In JB soon as you touch the screen the CPU jumps all the way up. I'm looking forward to the next release.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
So am I my friend. Luckily since we have a Nexus we won't have to wait for 6months + after it's released by Google. :D
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
Windows phone is awesome! I love how fluid it is. I just wish that the app store had apps on it. There's nothing. Love the OS, hate the lack of apps.
[Nexus 4 General] persheshhater:
Wibdows phone...:D
[Nexus 4 General] ra9b:
Hey guys, my contract expires in a month and I am looking at a couple of new phones to buy. I currently own a Droid Incredible, and I absolutely love it. The only thing that I don't like about it is that it has poor battery life, and it's kind of slow. Things that I do like about it are that I have a plethora of roms to choose from and it has great development support. Some phones that I am looking to buy are the Droid Razr Maxx HD, Samsung Galaxy S3, and the Google Nexus. Can you tell me about the pros and cons of the Nexus? I will be rooting my phone, so i need to know how is the developer support for this phone? I appreciate any help!
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
All people talk about in this thread are cons and pros. Get a (large) cup of tea or coffee, find a few free hours, and read this thread. That will be a lot more valuable than someone just listing cons and pros.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
For me jb is what ICS should have been, I see a world of difference on the s3 (not referring to the touch wizz extras), before jb I still preferred wp, but that's me. All the years on iOS and wp before jumping ship spoiled me, and moving to ICS was the equivalent of going back from HD to SD... But in terms of smoothness. With 4.1.2 the s3 is the smoothest phone I've ever used and beats my 4s and iPad 3 in smoothness and stability. I would be inclined to say that it equals or bests the lumia 920 but I haven't used it enough to conclude that fairly as I've only retired it in the shop.

The way the next update should be optimised is dedicate 1 core to ui/smoothness and 1-3 cores depending on how many you have on background processes/apps. That way it should remain faster than iOS but not drain battery by overdriving all the processor cores.

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[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
What do AMOLED displays do in the first place? Scientifically, they don't over saturate. OLED sends voltage to organic materials that light up when electricity passes through it. LED uses RGB filters and a back light. If anything, OLED is the natural organic produce and LED is the produce that is genetically altered. It's just that we are so used to seeing LED technology that it seems natural to us when it really isn't.

So in reality, OLED is used in the most advanced surgery monitors for color accuracy, not because it is over saturated.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/12/sony-unveils-first-medical-grade-oled-monitor/

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Yeah, the international GS3 with Jelly Bean is ridiculously smooth. The battery life did take a hit from ICS though but it wasn't a big deal. It went from two full days to 1 and a half.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
You are mistaking natural as of organic vs natural as of lifelike here. The whole post on amoled vs lcd is flawed because of that.
[Nexus 4 General] PROGUERAM:
I agree with every word u've said. I had HTC HD7 before RaZr. And I hated my RaZr before JB. Bur I don't know what happened to my phone all of a sudden. Its got on steroids or something ..JB is sooooo amazing...feels like a brand new phone... That's why I'm confused..

Now I can't decide i f to let go of Android at this stage or continue.. Plus every where Windows is gaining momentum.

If I buy another Android, it WILL be N⁴ for sure.

Sent from my DROID RaZr on JB.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
I guess you didn't read the article where they say they used OLED for the high contrast AND the more ACCURATE colors. I am pretty sure accurate means natural in this case since there isn't anything more natural than real life color.
[Nexus 4 General] James.UBC:
those displays get calibrated regularly, smartphones do not.

the galaxy s3 has disgusting colour balance
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
What is your point? If he said the GS3 or Samsung AMOLED displays are oversaturated then he might have had a point. He did say AMOLED in general though which is just flat out wrong whether you guys like it or not.

ps. Even Samsung LED tablets, except the tab 7.7 which uses AMOLED, and TVs are pretty over saturated and not natural. The Nexus 10 is the exception but Google calibrated that, or didn't calibrate it all would be closer to the truth. Don't blame the technology.
[Nexus 4 General] sspyed:
While AMOLED may be pretty oversaturated, there's nothing like it for inverted themes/BAKED or anybody that likes to keep minimalist homescreen(s). But that's not stopping me from grabbing an N4 in March, haha--performance is priority for me.

If you could only choose one, I suppose it depends on what you expect to be doing on your phone primarily (gaming/photography/videos vs. heavy "business/work" usage & multitasking). Your age may be a factor in the end :p
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Amoled looks way better 99% of the time - its only when you need realistic color tone (ie photos) where it suffers. This is my opinion at least and winder whether anyone agrees with me.

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[Nexus 4 General] Ludacon:
I have just finish my Head to Head of the S3 and the N4, and ive got some shots comparing the different screens on there that might help settle this, or more likely incite more flames, but its worth a peek:

S3 VS N4

Just the Image
[Nexus 4 General] yihaomizhijia:
I prefer physical buttons, and other aspects are very good.
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
I don't like the direction the default buttons are going, so I'm glad to have the ability to change them. I need my "right click."
[Nexus 4 General] sspyed:
I used to prefer hardkeys myself until I tried out the Paranoid roms and fell hopelessly in love with Expanded Desktop for watching videos and viewing on QuickPic. Now I choose my phones depending on how few physical buttons they have as they completely cramp the look of a phone in my opinion anyway.

Always makes me feel bad seeing a cracked GSIII
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
Can I ask how did you calibrate your screen?

If I put Note 2 and Nexus 4 side by side Nexus 4 looks so pale. If its just on its own then I can get used to it but nothing like this.

Do I have to be rooted?
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
I agree. It's a very nice os, but I wouldn't consider the option unless the app store improves drastically.
[Nexus 4 General] Ludacon:
I actually took he calibration off for those photos, the difference between the S3 and the Note2 is that the S3 is using a rgbg sub pixel pentile setup where as the Note 2 using s RGB subpixel setup.

more info: http://cdn04.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/rgb-vs-pentile-amoled1.jpg

i can grab some "calibrated" shots of the N4 vs the S3 if you would like.

More screen calibration info can be found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2039607&highlight=calibrate
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
It's kind of a shame that the app availability brings down such a nice feeling OS.
[Nexus 4 General] iFalcon:
A gray and professional review. Very well done.

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Great...not grey....sorry
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
With every update it opens up more, its dealing with the ui and experience first.

IOS deals with a user experience but not functionality and so remains limited

Android dealt with functionality first and now is dealing with ui and experience (only a success so far on s3 and nexus IMO)

WINDOWS is beginning with ui and experience and gradually becoming more open and functional as can be seen if you have followed their updates from 7.0 to 8.0, they don't intend to be a prettier iOS that's for sure.

Both oses are amazing IMO and iOS is like the option for people who only want a simple phone for consumption, android is the most advanced in functionaly but windows is a nice balance of the two and in the future will become as functional as android but probably won't become skinnable like android is.with either you won't be disappointed

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[Nexus 4 General] harlock:
There is only one thing about this phone, it s too delicate.
[Nexus 4 General] Ludacon:
Personally i think its pretty stout. Mine has been dropped 3 times. 1once about 4 ft onto hard wood. twice about 3ft onto tile. all were mutli bounce drops, and the only damage i have is 2 dents on the bezels.

Thanks! I brought out the studio lights and im messing with getting some more ' true ' shots of the devices. I usually shoot cars and outdoor stuff so this whole shooting small shiny objects thing is new to me.
[Nexus 4 General] PROGUERAM:
Just wanted to say thanks. Very nearly written points and completely unbiased..

Thanks a lot. This could be the reason I may pick N⁴ over the 820.

Thanks again.

Sent from my DROID RaZr on JB.
[Nexus 4 General] lonelysheep:
I love my Nexus4, except for the battery life....
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Best I've ever had on a smartphone....
[Nexus 4 General] zellleonhart:
I just got my nexus 4 few days ago! Coming from blackberry (while still keeping the Bold for basic usages), this phone is so much of surprises.

Being someone who love to mod and tweak my gadgers, nexus 4 fits it best. Great display, fluidity, smoothness.. Except battery is not that ideal but can last half to one full day, enough for me!

One thing I love the most of nexus 4: the curved screen at the side and buttonless design.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
10 char
[Nexus 4 General] LMBBananaJoe:
Didn't anyone mention the xiaomi m2 ? It is the chinese miui phone.

I think I would not trade it for my Nexus4, because software wise there is no phone but nexus, though the MI2 is a remarkable phone.

- RAM, CPU are the same as nexus, no micro card slot

- resolution 1280 x 720

- memory 16/32 GB

- 4.3inches Display, smaller size --> probably fits better in hand

- battery, and back cover are replaceable

- USB-OTG

- afaik miui rom only

- accessoires available

- I imagine this phone is not as vulnerable (to damage) as nexus4 is, because it has no glas back and thus is not as slippery as nexus4 and yes it sucks that there is no google bumper available in my country

- good speakers (I have read some people on miui forum saying)

- high quality camera (I have read some people on miui forum saying), I really don't know how it compares to ours

- price in china should be about ¥1999 (about 320$) and ¥2299 (370$), I think officially it is no available in other countries

- I can't believe I am saying this but to get a nexus4 these days does not turn out to be easier than getting a Xiaomi MI2 phone from china

- to be honest, there are not a lot of complains about the phone I found, hardware wise...about miui, closed source etc it is easier to argue I guess ;)

- warranty for people outside of china? I doubt
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
This must be your first smart phone then;););)

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] hankdu:
Agree, had to buy a usb battery pack to carry with me just in case.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Reynt:
Please help me guys...! :eek:

I have an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 4. I like both phones but I don't know which to choose...

iPhone 5:

Very smooth, battery life is so long (about 8-12 hours screen on time), good video and photo quality, good design, very fast LTE

Negative:

It's the same old iOS, you can't change anything (no jailbreak released yet)

Nexus 4:

Smooth, you can root it and do what you want

Negative:

No LTE, battery life is half than iPhone (drain over night is also ~10 percent), really bad audio recording quality

On iPhone with LTE off and just H+ it is also faster than Nexus 4 with H+. How that? That sucks a bit.

Well, I can't decide. Both phones are quite nice and have their pros and cons.
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
Toss them both in the air at the same time to see which one doesnt survives, then keep that one.
[Nexus 4 General] Reynt:
I've already used my Nexus 4 about 3 days and my iPhone since november. But i still can't decide.

Well, the worst thing is the battery life on the Nexus and no LTE.
[Nexus 4 General] spaz3r:
N4 vs Galaxy S3 (international) any help?
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
I've used the following within the past 5 months

iphone 4s : kept this the longest probably 3 months

Galaxy s3: nice quality phone, cant go wrong with it, touchwiz wasnt too bad. Custom roms I didnt really bother with since the stock android wasnt too stable. Sold it and made some money on it. Beautiful screen and overall excellentk

nexus 4: traded for the iphone 5 32gb unlocked. Used the nexus 4 for a about a day. Memories of android started to come back, VERY tempted to root and flash a custom rom when I had it. Thats the exact reason I left android, wasted too much time flashing roms and checking daily for updates. Nexus 4 stock is very fast and screen quality I actually liked the colors. Feel for nexus, I had to get use to again since it is a little larger. Would recommend using a case on it, I was extremelly careful when I had mine. Sexy phone for sure.

Iphone 5: Its IOS, just a longer screen. Took a few hours to adjust to the screen size from the iphone 4s, aspect ratio Ill get use to. The quality is excellent, love the feel of the phone BUT it was TOO DAM LIGHT. I put a otterbox commuter case on it and its probably the perfect size & weight for me.

It comes down to personal choice on what you want, you wont go wrong with the GS3 or Nexus 4. If you want the latest android OS you know the answer of which to get. If you want to play with custom roms and check daily for updates and report back on use of it: Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] MusicMan374:
About the galaxy nexus display... I actually never saw it in person, but I have seen a galaxy s3 in person, and I cannot stand the pen tile matrix. Straight lines have breaks in them for gods sake! It makes a 720p display look like an mdpi display. I assume the gnex is worse since its not as new as the gs3. I do agree that whites on the nexus 4 show up a bit yellowish on dim brightness levels, but overall its an excellent panel and the best I've ever used in sunlight, even compared to amoled. Really easy to see in sunlight.
[Nexus 4 General] setspeed:
I've had a GS3 (i9300 International) for 6mths, and just bought the N4. After a couple of hours I knew I was sending the N4 back.

Hissing/squealing from the N4 ear speaker is just unacceptable.

Although the N4 feels like a quality device in the hand, I know that one drop and I'll end up with a cracked back - it really feels fragile..

Touchscreen sensitivity is noticeably bad compared to the S3.

N4 screen is undeniably sharper, but it looks washed out now I'm used to AMOLED (and that's even though I use the "natural" setting on my S3, which tones down the colour saturation a lot).

The camera is REALLY bad compared to the S3.

N4's software is better, and multi-tasking is a dream due to 2GB RAM (compared to 1GB in my S3).

Limited storage (13.3GB usable, in 16GB model) in the N4 is a major drawback for me. I'm not too fussed about the sealed in battery, although the battery life was no better than my S3. I won't trade in for a phone that doesn't have better battery life than the last.

For the price, the N4 is decent. And if money was a deciding factor for me, then the N4 would warrant serious consideration. But, for me, overall the S3 is just a better all rounder.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Display on my n4 is fantastic. I loved my GNex the year that I had it, but the n4 outclasses it in every category. OK maybe the GNex can survive a drop with a marginally greater percentage.
[Nexus 4 General] Serious_Beans:
Well this is my view on the whole N4 vs everything else.

The Nexus is not the best Android phone ever that is currently on the market.

It is however the best phone that runs Vanilla Android and that will stay true no matter what ROM you run on any other phone. Nexus devices run AOSP so much better than any other Android phone.

Compared to the top 2 Android phones(One X and S3) I'd say the Nexus wins in only design, quality, software (imo) and speed.

The One X has a better screen compared to the N4 but not by much, I see my friends One X screen a lot and I compare it to my N4 all the time and I don't see too much of a difference but there is something there that makes it stand out more.

The S3 has the better camera and a lot of cool features with TouchWiz but that's about it. The build quality isn't garbage by any means, even though it's "plastic-y" it still feels pretty solid and has a nice weight.

The Nexus 4 is for people who want to flash ROMs and kernels until their fingers get grinded off from f5ing and downloading things all day every day. The One X and S3 and even the Note 2 have things that make them better than the N4, but for me, for a tinkerer, for someone who loves STOCK PURE GOOGLE ANDROID you must get the N4, it's the only way to satisfy the craving of using vanilla Android and messing with your phone.

Every time I got a non Nexus phone since the N1 I regretted it and went back to the Nexus immediately. I always bought phones just to try them but I always go back to the Nexus. If you don't care about software updates and actually enjoy the skins or want some features the Nexus lacks that is apparent in TouchWiz or Sense then go for the other phones. Honestly if you REALLY don't care about what OS version of Android you have on your phone, I'd recommend the One X or S3, both are great devices.

For the time being battery on the N4 is someone of a let down. I assumed with a newer screen tech, newer soc, and newer os and kernel the N4 battery would be amazing, but it's pretty bad. Android 4.2 seems more buggy than 4.1, having more issues with it than I did my GNex but it's okay the phone just came out, I'm sure an update will fix the battery and buggy issues.

tl;dr

If you want the latest software of Android, get the N4

If you want features and less prone to breaking hardware go for One X, S3 or Note 2

Of course all of this is just my opinion though :).

If anyone wants to compare to the iPhone I'd say don't waste your time trying to compare the 2. In the end they both do the same thing, if you want a large screen and more freedom get the Nexus 4, if you want what just works, simple, same old trustworthy stable battery friendly iOS then get an iPhone. As far as build and design both phones look great and feel great, it just comes down to software and screen size.
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
S3 hands down. .But you want to get the i9305 model... has better specs over the i9300

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Think you answered your own question. .its In Black and White...
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
I dont get why people are comparing some of these phones to a nexus device. Its like people are forgetting that the Nexus device isnt a typical consumer device. Touchwiz? Really? Iphone 5? People, your comparing an iCrap 5 with the market value of over $550 new to a Nexus device at $350. Yes, the camera is going to be better on the i5, and it better be for $200 or more. The nexus is for people/devs who want AOSP. It seems like some of the people here either dont know what ASOP means, or cant truely appreciate it. Sucks that some of the buyers now have to wait 6-7 weeks to get a Nexus while people who are complaining they like their old phone more because the colors arent as pretty on the nexus are returning theirs.
[Nexus 4 General] deestroi66:
Here's what I think of the Nexus 4:

After playing with it for four hours doing stress tests and pretty everything, I made a google search on my mom's S3 (US).

The S3 felt like a G1.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] marinierb:
Nice! Which one?
[Nexus 4 General] osugsxr:
Lets compare the nexus 4 with the Zach Morris cell phone,

I'd take the Morris cell
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Will you guys keep it on topic please
[Nexus 4 General] ScottyNuttz:
A lot of people have been wondering how the Nexus 4 compares against certain other popular Android devices. Since I happen to have one of these other devices (Hint: it's made by a company that starts with "S" and ends with "UNG" ;)), I though I'd share my findings with you folks. I've laid out the pros and cons of the Nexus 4 vis a vis the competition. Without further ado: here is my comparison between my new Nexus 4 (16 gig) and my previous phone: The Samsung Captivate.

Pros:

The GPS and Navigation work great!

Programs launch instantaneously!

Background apps do not kill themselves immediately!

The screen is much bigger and clearer!

Chrome works, and all browsers are fast!

Wifi is faster, and it has HSPA+!

The camera works better and has a higher resolution!

There is a front facing camera!

The camera has a flash!

It has NFC support!

It has 3 more cores (each clocked 50% higher)!

It cost $150 less than the Captivate at launch!

Draws:

The battery is about the same.

Internal storage is the same.

Cons:

Can't take out the battery :(

Can't add a micro SD card :(

In conclusion, while both phones have their strong suits, I'm going to have to call this Battle Royale between the two best mobile devices in my personal possession in favor of the Nexus 4. It really boiled down to whole "being-much-better-in-nearly-every-regard" quality of the Nexus 4. However, I know a lot of these comparisons really boil down to personal opinion, so I won't hate you if you disagree.