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[Nexus 4 General] snowmanwithahat:
Yeah, seriously considering selling my Nexus 4 to go with a work-paid SGS-3

Honestly I'm sick of these carriers in my area. Verizon is the way to go and the Nexus 4 seems like a bad choice for Michigan.
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
Sure. I will start draining my battery now. As I stated before I get about 6-8 hours screen on time. All completely stock.

Just a moment, this will take some time (5-7 hours as I have now used screen 1 hour and currently down to 91%)

e. god damnit I got a software update and this will somewhat mess up a regular day usage. Version 4.1.2, so still lacking behind Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
Already discussed. Regardless if you think I am biased or not, facts are facts. Both have the same internal hardware but one has to push a lot more pixels which affects performance. The increased performance, superior software, and more compact form factor of the nexus 4 far outweigh the 1080p screen. The Nexus 4 has a brighter screen too and has much better button placement.

HTC sucks and you can take that to the bank. Trust me.
[Nexus 4 General] dr.m0x:
He's right.

The higher resolution is meaningless on such a physically small screen. It's just a marketing gimmick, it gets to the point where the naked eye can't tell the difference anyway.

He's also right about HTC. HTC sucks balls.

I was a loyal HTC customer for two years - Nexus One, HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD, and HTC Sensation. The only one I don't regret is the nexus one. The rest of the time I was telling myself HTC sense was great and that they'd iron out the bugs and add new features in a future update. Instead they'd just release a new phone and pretty much abandon development on the previous model. It leaves you with a choice - buy a new phone or hope that someone will port the new firmware back to your older device. Every new phone I purchased was more of the same - unfulfilled promises, undeserved hype, and a buggy, laggy os.
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
Not sticking up for HTC but the eye CAN tell the difference. You may not be able to distinguish individual pixels but they can still add a lot of crispness and vibrance to the picture. If everything else is the same in two screens but one is 1080p and the other is 720p you will notice the benefit of the extra pixels, especially fit art, photography and 3d design/gaming. Perhaps it is a technology best not adopted so early though, as with 4g, are the benefits with the drain of battery and( in the screens case) processor performance? I'd say not yet. The new octacores seem to be designed with. 1080p res in mind.

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My s3 is 720p and I can see a difference in quality between it and the iPad 3, I still prefer the s3s amoled screen for vibrance except with photos that require more realistic tones, but im talking in actual quality, though I know that this isn't a completely fair comparison - but people with decent eyesight can see a difference beyond the 'retina resolution'.

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[Nexus 4 General] pakure:
Regular use. ..had more stand by there. ..remember. . Still with one third juice still left

This is the link to the battery stats thread on the note 2 forum. .go through it and see for yourself

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1916790

scribbled from my note 2 (N7100)
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Yea, I like to actually have a data connection on my data plan smart phone
[Nexus 4 General] pakure:
I do use data. ..tapatalk there wouldn't work otherwise. .yeah ?... what else was consuming the on screen time there?

scribbled from my note 2 (N7100)
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Your signal shows no data being used. Just reception bars.
[Nexus 4 General] pakure:
It was off at the time of the screen shot. ..that's all... I don't need to prove to anybody. ..lot of guys get amazing battery life on the note 2... visit the battery stats thread link I posted for the note 2 to find for yourself

scribbled from my note 2 (N7100)
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
Well here are my with actually heavy use. A lot of YouTube videos, playing anomaly Korea, which is graphically quite intense game. Some Ingress and also tracking my run with gps. Also streaming music to bluetooth headset almost all day.

I will take nexus with me tomorrow and let's see what happens with similar usage.
[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
I wouldnt expect the nexus to get 5hrs. Your talking 3100mah vs 2100mah. Thats like an iPhone of a difference lol
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
That's 50% more almost. If it gets 3 hrs now you will get 5hrs with that battery. Not to mention Motorola devices seem to be easier on battery.

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[Nexus 4 General] robstunner:
Edit. I'm bad at math lol
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
I don't know where you're at in MI, but Verizon is overpriced as hell. I would avoid them at all costs. T-Mobile is great in my area, and I speeds are very solid, even compared to Verizon's LTE. I've seen 20-26Mb down in a few different areas. I was with Sprint and most recently Verizon for years, and I'll never go back to contracts. You can always throw the N4 on Straight Talk with an AT&T sim, if the service is spotty. You can even get a free sim from T-Mobile right now. Check it out here.
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
Hey guys. In the battery department which one would win, the Nexus 4 or One X+?
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
And here is with nexus 4. Day wasn't quite as intense as yesterday and I didn't play any games. Also YouTube videos not that much because it seems that some problem with the stock kernel since YouTube streaming is quite bad.

Also there is this super annoying bug when listening to bluetooth headset the phone suddenly loses connection to bluetooth and starts playing music from the speakers, now you can imagine how embarrassing this is in open office..

Anyway results were slightly better than I expected.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
Unless you really need the 64gb, I wouldn't touch the One X, any version, with a 100 foot pole. An over clocked Tegra 3 sounds very scary. Stick with Qualcomm S4 pro or higher these days and never expect a perfect device from HTC. You always seem to get one of the following. Light bleed from a port, manufacturer finishing mark near a port, a ton of software glitches, poor battery life, digitizer/display sticking out or loose, rattling volume rocker, speaker hiss, Bluetooth issues, etc.
[Nexus 4 General] sy224048:
I have most of these on my sensation hahaha. The volume rocker is excusable because its removable and I'm just too cheap to buy a new one.
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
I like HTC's camera better. Do you know what the average screen on time is for the HOX+?
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32822667
[Nexus 4 General] MeMoM&aVirusTI:
N4 IPS display is pretty good... doesn't distort in the cold & hot as much an AMOLED .....AMOLED & cold / hot weather doesn't seem to be a very good combination :eek:
[Nexus 4 General] Izobonnki:
I decided to go from my Nexus 4 to Atrix HD just because of the data speeds and I lasted 3 hours with that phone and went back to my Nexus 4. It was like having a Lambo as a daily car and trying to switch to a Toyota. You just cant downgrade that much. I appreciate my N4 a lot more now :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
One reason also why not to be so happy about Nexus 4 is the camera. This morning had a pretty nice sky, but because of the low light conditions it is quite difficult for phone cameras. So I decided to stack it up against my Note 2 and also Asus Infinity TF700 which is supposed to have one of the best tablet cameras (which doesnt say much..)

When I first look at the images on the phone screen I was ready to give up on Nexus 4. It just looked so bad. Now when I am looking at the pictures on my computer I am not so sure anymore. Actually Nexus 4 even maybe slightly better than Note 2.

On Note's defence I must say that I took those pics very quickly point and shoot and with Nexus I really really tried to make it good.

Anyway here they are

https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B0MUVjq_igOMUERDVUk1YWh1Z2s/edit

its quite obvious that the best sensor is with Note and it manages to make brighter image. But I somehow like to mood of the Nexus image. TF700 second image is quite ok for a tablet but a bit "digital"
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Question...

Not necessarily pointed at the person I quoted either

So to all of those people who claim the N4 doesn't perform in low light do you all know what HDR is and how to use it properly?

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[Nexus 4 General] thesebastian:
This is my S3 vs N4 personal comparison. 1st of all, i wanted to say that i still have S3 but i will keep Nexus 4. I'm extremely fine with Nexus 4, but i made a LOT of sacrifices too:

N4 Advantages on Stock 4.2.1

- Performance: N4 is extremely much better <VS> S3 Samsung Stock Firmware 4.1.2 and just "much better" against S3 4.2.1 CyanogenMod.

- Updates: Real Time Updates by Google <VS> 3-6 Months of delay (or more) by Samsung.

- Opensource for AOSP projects (like CyanogenMod or even the STOCK Google Project): N4 = 10/10 points. S3 = 6/10 points.

S3 Advantages on Stock Samsung 4.1.2 (A lot of them, are just STUPID, but anyway i'm going to mention them)

- Camera: N4 Camera is a high quality "cellphone" camera. S3 Camera is beyond a Cellphone camera, it's like a Real Photo Camera (like..somekind of Sony Cybershot but with 8MP, not 16MP), at least filming 1080 HD Movies, it's just perfect. (This is the best ADVANTAGE of the S3 against the N4).

- Flash (or Flashlight): N4 Flash (using "Nexus 4 Flashlight Widget") has the half potency <VS> S3 Flash using Stock Touchwiz Flashlight widget.

- Battery: S3 Battery duration is 20%-30% better than Nexus 4 (Stock vs Stock). But N4 with Custom Kernels could have same or better battery.

- Screen: The screens are extremely different. S3 Screen looks like MUCH better screen (Color are so PURE). BUT, maybe, Nexus 4 screen has much better "real colors". ("""MAYBE""" you can try this on a Samsung LED TV..screen colors...."Natural" = S3 / "Cinema" = N4).

- Loudspeaker: S3 20% MEDIA volume level is like 50% on N4. But on higher level (90% vs 90%) i think they have similar volumes. At the same time. N4 speakers is LOW when is on the desk (because it's capped by the desktop). S3 on Cyanogenmod has lower volumes like N4.

- Touchscreen: S3 detects short nails and knuckles (both cases with the TAPPING function). N4 doesn't detect short nails. It detects knuckles but without the TAPPING).

- The Known Facts: extSD support, FM Support, Native 4G/LTE Support, Bigger screen (without Touch buttons AREA).

I'm still thinking Nexus 4 is the best Smarthphone for me. But we can see here the 200 dollars difference (N4 plus tax & shipping 400 USD, S3 at least "old price"... 600 USD).
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
I hate HDR with Nexus 4. I believe HDR takes the brightest image and the darkest image and then with software combines these two.

With Nexus 4 I had it accidentally on first and it takes so orange images then. I was so happy when I noticed that it was on and could take images without it.

With low light same. I actually still have those images I took with HDR in low light and they are awful..

I know that with HDR it is very crucial to keep camera still for a bit longer time but still I never managed to take any good HDR with this camera.
[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
so I keep hearing more and more interesting things about the SGS4 and let me tell you it's going to be difficult for me to hold onto the nexus when it arrives. I mean this thing is gonna have the new exynos5 Octa core, a 13mp shooter in back and 3mp shooter up front, full hd resolution with 440+ppi and a rumored 3300mah battery to start! I'm not one who hates touchwiz I actually miss somethings samsung brings to the table. I mean the SGS3 is on par with our nexus now give or take a few things , this will destroy it
[Nexus 4 General] azrash:
well it is a typical cycle of the mobile world. the progress is very fast as compared to the PC market. There is always something better that is going to be released in six months time after you have bought 'the best' phone. For me, I'll get one that I think I can use for two years plus (if possible) and then see what's in the market then.

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[Nexus 4 General] facetubespam:
That Optimus G Pro looks to be a formidable foe. 3000mah battery, 5 inch 1080p HD screen, 32gb, and 1.7ghz S4Pro are the upgrades.
[Nexus 4 General] ijohnboy:
How exactly is the build quality suspect??:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] facetubespam:
It is not. Everybody just likes to think LG has terrible build quality based on their own misconceptions. It is exactly the same people who say Samsung sucks when Samsung first launched into the US market, but now tout and praise Samsung's build quality with the S3 and Note2, even though it is still done through the same manufacturing line and process.
[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
Only difference is that the octa core jump is huge its not a dual core to quad like most are now. Its gonna be ahead of the game for a good couple of years

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[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Except Samsung is estimating a 70% reduction in battery loss from the processor

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[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Also its no different than any other quad core. It is more or less 2 processor in 1. It uses a quad core A7 for less demanding tasks and then uses a quad core A15 for more demanding tasks

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[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
Yes don't believe that at all they wouldn't put the processor in if they believed they would loose that much battery

sent from one of the NEXUS twins 4 or 7.....
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

I guess I have to spell this out for you

If a phone used to use 100 mAh in 1 hour of use the new Samsung processor would use only 30 mAh in 1 hour. So basically it would drastically increase the time you could use the phone in between charges. (Granted this has nothing to do with the screen but I think you get the point)

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[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
Your banging your head but if you logically think about your statement it makes no business sense. Beside if the core management is done right it should improve battery by 70%

sent from one of the NEXUS twins 4 or 7.....
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
Why would anyone want a screen bigger than the Nexus 4? That would just be ridiculous to carry around with you in your pocket.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Note 2 no?
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
What about it
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Everything
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
So f*cking clever.
[Nexus 4 General] AndreaCristiano:
I see now we were having a misunderstanding

sent from one of the NEXUS twins 4 or 7.....
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Here's a thanks for making me laugh!
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
That would be true if phones only consisted of the screen. Fortunately, that is not the case so they can do things like the Xperia ZL, which is arguably smaller than the Nexus 4 even with a 5 inch screen.

Nexus 4

133.9 x 68.7 x 9.1 mm

139g

Xperia ZL

131.6 x 69.3 x 9.8 mm

151g

So the Xperia ZL is 2.3 mm shorter, 0.6 mm wider, and 0.7mm thicker. Although the thickness probably counts the most, you can argue that the Xperia ZL is smaller overall plus it has a 440 ppi screen. I am betting that the GS4 is going to feel even smaller than the Nexus 4 since the GS3 is huge but looks and feels a lot smaller than the Nexus 4.

The point is that there is more than just screen size that factors into pocket-ability. In fact, there is more to it than actual measurements and overall volume. The GS3 for example is huge but it feels much smaller than any high end 2012 phone barring the iphone 5, which is a huge part of it's popularity. It just doesn't feels or look big even in the hands of high school kids.

As far as pocket ability and feel goes, I would rank it like this.

1. Physical measurements and dimensions

2. Ergonomics and curves

5. weight

10. Screen size
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Nice point.
[Nexus 4 General] jpde:
So, I've got a question about the N4.. since I haven't had the chance to look at the device in real life, how would you compare the way it feels/looks/handles compared to other phones?

I keep hearing people rave about the Samsung SIII but while its specs may be nice and all, the device itself feels rather cheap and plasticy to me and that kind of ruins my enjoyment. With the Motorola razr i, however, it just feels good, even though I don't like all of the design choices. Other phones that I liked in that regards (albeit to a slightly smaller extent) were the Sony Xperia T and the Huawei Ascend P1. None of them were amazing in that regards, but they were solid enough.

It's probably difficult to put these things into words, but it'd be nice if people could try. I'm debating if I should wait for the N4 to become more available here as the hardware specs certainly are better than the phones in my price range right now (Motorola razr i and the Huawei Ascend P1).. but if the device itself feels "cheap", I might get one of those two instead of waiting.
[Nexus 4 General] tarekh020:
Just wonder

Is it worth it to upgrade from Galaxy Nexus to Nexus 4 ,considering that nexus 4 is very hard to get @ my country
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
I did that exact same upgrade and couldn't be happier. However you or other people may not feel the same as me.

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[Nexus 4 General] tarekh020:
Can i ask ,WHY ?
[Nexus 4 General] CandyAndy:
The only reason why I still have my Nexus 4 and didn't go to Note 2 is the feel. There is no other phone on the planet which feels as good on the hand as Nexus 4. It feels good, it feels premium, its like holding your d*** :p (ok ok, not quite)

Every other aspect Note 2 swipes the floors with Nexus 4 but the feel..omg it feels amazing to hold, to swype, to make a phone call.

I would say its phone porn.
[Nexus 4 General] wathefak:
Nice metaphor dude..
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
I've had the N4, HOX, RAZR HD GSM, iPhone 5, S3. I do like the feel of the HOX in your hand. I like the N4 best overall though
[Nexus 4 General] dodgebizkit:
If anyone knows of someone who isn't happy with their nexus 4 and would prefer an iPhone, let me know... I know that everyone in here realises that the nexus is superior in every way but in the real world people believe the opposite, and the 32gb iPhone 4s second hand resell value is much higher than a nexus 4 retail value, so I'd anyone in the UK knows of someone who would trade...

I love the touch wizz on the s3 but would love to experience the pure android of nexus too

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[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Careful bro, trading or selling phones is no longer allowed on the forum.

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[Nexus 4 General] Doughnut:
So I've got an S3....My gf just asked me which phone she should buy, I said N4, it was offered to her at a very good price via upgrade.

Basically cost her £144.

Anyway she's happy with her S2 and said I can have the N4...

I've already got a S3 (Int, 1gb)...The 2gb of ram is enticing me, but I've just tried a couple of games and noticed the N4 lags sometimes and the image quality is significantly lesser than the S3...is that due to lack of optimisation?

I've tried Riptide & Legend by Glu, both times round the S3 was smoother and lag free.

S3 is running stock bloatware rom.

Why does the N4 seem significantly slower? Also has anyone reduced the size of that stupid virtual button bar?
[Nexus 4 General] fresh_TD:
If you flash Paranoidandroid on your N4..the rom has the ability to make both nav bar/status bar transparent and you can also resize them too

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[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
I've been very happy with the HTC Sensation, and am only upgrading because the price is too good, and I could benefit from HSPA+42 (Sensation is HSPA14).

The N4 is definitely way faster. The pixel density is great, but the colors seem washed out. I'm not trying to compare it to an AMOLED display and the "over-vividness" but it seems pale even against the Sensation (S-LCD). Also, the digitizer is extremely apparent. It's not that bad indoors, but it can't be missed when out in the sun. Even looking at it dead-on with the screen off, I can see it. At an angle, even with the screen on, it's impossible to miss. Is this normal? I do remember one other person mentioning a visible digitizer, and how he swapped it out and the replacement is fine. It's not really a concern for me, but I'm just curious. I've played with an N4 before, but it was indoors and I wasn't scrutinizing it as much.

The touch seems to be a little off too. It's not that it's not responsive, but rather when I'm playing a game like Scramble, I keep seemingly misswiping tiles. Maybe it's just because I need to get used to the larger screen. I did see a mod for touch sensitivity, so I'll look into that.

With the Sensation, I'd often juggle 2-3 batteries a day, or a double-battery I soldered together just to make it through the day. I can already see how I'm going to have major problems with the N4's internal battery (knew this going in... going to have to get creative).

The 8GB version leaves 5.67GB for use. I assumed something like this, but figured I wouldn't give in to the $50 for 8gb "scam." In hindsight, maybe I should have. I was gambling that we'd have a usb-otg solution by now. I had planned on making some sort of case for it that includes a battery and micro-sd.

All in all, I'm thrilled with HSPA+42 and unofficial AWS LTE. And to finally have an AOSP phone. I had been running a CM10 build for the Sensation, and while it's good enough for every day use, there are still sacrifices to be made.
[Nexus 4 General] Doughnut:
I've gone back to my S3 and handed my GF the N4 to do as she pleases. Think it's replacing her S2 now so not the end of the world.

What's up with the washed out screen? My S3 is washed out compared to the S2, but the N4 is on another level altogether.

The N4 is lightning quick, seems to be more snappy than my S3, but I just can't adapt to the screen and the on screen menu.

I think I was being un-fair with my original post, the N4 is not significantly slower, it seems both phones experience miniature lags occasionally, but the full screen in gaming and richer colours has swayed me back to my S3.

In conclusion, for what it costs I don't think you can get a better phone, but even with the slightly lesser performance of the S3, I still prefer my S3. Well that was an interesting venture :cyclops: I'll crawl back to the S3 section now.
[Nexus 4 General] Abaddon:
nexus 4 has higher ppi than the s3 so picture quality is better. I've read your comment and looks like you fell in-love with the SUPER AMOLED DIsplay :)
[Nexus 4 General] facetubespam:
If I had a penny for every person who claims the N4 screen is washed out because they never realized what AMOLED displays did in the first place, I'd have enough money to build my own Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
The nexus 4 has a very sharp screen but its colors are not as vibrant as not only Super AMOLED displays, but other LCD display as well like the optimus G or the One X or even the iphone 5.
[Nexus 4 General] Doughnut:
May be so, but it is what it is and I prefer my AMOLED screen. At times yes its over saturated bit then I have three colour profiles to choose from.

Don't get me wrong like I've said I was a bit harsh, in the end it boiled down to preferences; AMOLED & full screen...
[Nexus 4 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
I agree. Me and a friend were comparing my nexus 4 to his note 2 on full brightness. We watched the last of us gameplay and the note 2 looked beautiful, it seemed as if you were playing the game, while it seemed my nexus had washed out colors. Super amoled>LCD for me