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[Nexus 10 General] Watcher64:
You like Contrast, some people like Resolution, they are both valid points, one does not exclude the other ..

The N10 is the BEST Resolution and ppi wise, but contrast could be better, personally if I want awesome contrast I watch my plasma TV, after all this is a portable device that has higher resolution than most current laptops ...

But here is a thought, if you don't like the N10 , sell it and go hang out with people who love the same tablet you love , rather than trolling the N10 forums.
[Nexus 10 General] Ologn:
Only people who love the tf700, or any Asus hunk of sh** for that matter, are rationalizing.

I have a tf700. Bought it because Engadget said it was as good or better than the Nexus 10. If i ever see the person, who wrote that review i will feed them my tf700. No, better yet! I'll make them use it for a week! That'll teach em.

The tf700 has one problem. One great big, huge, massive problem. LAG!!!! Out of the box the lag is so bad that it is routine to have OS throw up the "Wait/Close" box while browsing. The only way it becomes usable is by unlocking and flashing a custom rom. However, unlocking voids the warranty.

So i unlocked, void the warranty, and installed a custom Rom.

I use my tabby for internet activities. Browsing the web is my most common activity. If you get an app called browser2ram installed then the browser becomes completely usable. Zero lag and no "Wait/Close". You need to be root to use browser2ram. You can't root a jellybean tf700 without unlocking. Once again, there goes the warranty.

So how many Nexus 10 owners have voided their warranty just so they can browse the web without screamming?
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
Unlocking the bootloader on Nexus devices doesn't void warranty (to my knowledge) :p And even if it did, can just lock it back with ease :)
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
I think he was making a point about the Infinity unlocking downside compared to N10
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
There's more to a display than just contrast and PPI. The N4 has a higher contrast ratio and is brighter than the TF700 and owners are complaining about washed out colors.

Here's what Anand said about the TF700's display:

In going to the higher resolution panel, ASUS hasn't improved color gamut or accuracy. Things are a tad better compared to the TF Prime but not appreciably so. White point is kept at around 7500K (6500K is ideal) across the brightness range. Where ASUS does deliver is in contrast ratio and brightness. In its default state the Transformer Pad Infinity can deliver, at max brightness, 460 nits. Similar to the Transformer Prime, ASUS offers a Super IPS+ mode for outdoor viewing that drives the panel and backlight to just under 700 nits. Black levels suffer a bit at the Super IPS+ setting, but otherwise the panel is actually a bit better than what ASUS used in the Transformer Prime. The result is a contrast ratio of over 1300:1, or 1135:1 in Super IPS+ mode. The brightness and contrast improvements are appreciated as is the increased pixel density. It would have been nice to see an improvement in color gamut and color accuracy with the Transformer Pad Infinity. Let's hope ASUS is saving the best for its Windows 8 tablets later this year.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6036/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700t-review/2​

He hasn't run his fully display benchmarks yet but here are some early ones for the N10.

So the TF700's display is brighter and has better contrast but the colors and whites are off. Let's see how the N10 does once Anand does a full review.

And one must not forget that the TF700's HannStar display comes with Asus' legendary quality. ;)
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Lisa's Mobile tech review Note 10.1 vs Infinity right ? Lol Saw that video a few times during my Infinity stage.
[Nexus 10 General] xIC-MACIx:
That's the thing; tons of ppl here came from the tf700. (like me). This thread is the complete opposite of what ex-Asus users have.

Build quality of the Infinity or Prime? Yeah, its superb IF you get one that isn't plagued w/ quality control issues. (If you had the the Prime, that awesome build quality made WiFi signal terrible.)

Display? Sure, the Nexus wins that one, but IMO not just in the number of pixels, the Infinity had bleached colors and black lines when doing anything other than swiping screens.

Flash? Its not coming back, yes, html5 should be implemented quicker but, bottom line - you invested in an OS that can remedy your need of flash while web developers can catch up with technology.

Position of the soft keys? Of course I think they are awkward & misplaced on the Nexus. However, this is apparently the new layout for future tablets too. Hell, I thought tablets as a whole were awkward and pointless when the iPad came out, but as with all new technology, consumers will adapt to these new standards

4 cores vs. 2? This tablet proves that this argument is dead in the water. The amount of lag I had on the tf700 was awful; typing up replies to a thread such as this one was a nightmare!

Okay, a lot of issues with the Tf700 can be fixed by flashing a ROM, but unlike the Nexus, you sign away your warranty in the process.

I get it, your entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, some users will be far too off put my Google's new "phablet" UI on a tablet to realize just what a great device this is. I just think your comparison of these two tablets is potentially flawed by the expectations you had when buying this tablet. It wasn't made to achieve world peace. It was made to give users real-world usability AND timely updates that, instead of fixing one problem & creating another, just work.
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
Because the Galaxy Nexus has a PPI of 320 and an infinite contrast ratio, I hereby declare the screen of the Galaxy Nexus as being superior to both Nexus 10 and Asus Infinity.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Your comparing a phone to a tablet?
[Nexus 10 General] lesonal:
My tf700 would kick your n10's ass in a fight. Break that plastic punk to pieces.;)
[Nexus 10 General] Diogenes5:
I never said the Infinity's screen was better. I said they had their tradeoffs and strengths. I just had to point out how it was pretty much a flat out lie to declare the screen of the N10 as the "best" when it clearly is not. As for "colors and whites" being off, it doesn't say that in the Anandtech review. The review said that colors hadn't been improved. The Adobe RGB test shows about the same level of color accuracy as an ipad 2. Preliminary reports show the PLS display on the Nexus 10 to have about the same color accuracy as an ipad 2 as well. Nothing comes close to the next-gen ipad in near-100% color accuracy.

The anecdotal evidence about the Infinity's display doesn't help your case. Unless there is actual statistical evidence that the display is on average less reliable, all you have is an exaggerated single case. My screen has always worked fine and has the screen of many infinity users.

The worse arguments are always based on anecdotes, which is what I have been pointing out this whole thread.

I have done nothing to troll this forum. I've pointed out both strength and weaknesses of the N10 as I've been trying to come to a decision whether to get the device. I just had to point out rawly ignorant, inaccurate points when they have been made. If you want someone to lie to your face and not be called on it be my guest. I guess accepting the opinion of someone as fact and calling those that would help you out as "trolls" must give you weird comfort.

Yes, one of the best points. My Infinity was a stuttering, lag-filled mess until I used a mature custom rom on it. Even then, it stuttered a lot doing basic things like browsing the internet because the random read/write on the awful emmc chip was so bad. However, after custom romming and using data2sd, most of my benchmarks are topline and my sunspider is around 850. Surfing the internet is actually smoother than on my ipad 2 (except for flash-filled pages which has always been a problem for any device). That being said, I voided the warranty which sucks but par for the course for any non-nexus android device.

It is likely the N10 will be even faster once the mature custom roms come out. I'm waiting to see how much faster it will be as well as the battery life; as I will have to give up the ease of having 96gb on my tablet when I give up the infinity as well as give up the useful dock and some other stuff.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Strange how the OP would create a topic and not comment since his first posting. Your not a very good OP at all haha! I bet your just sitting there enjoying a tub of popcorn aren't ya!! Clearly this thread was created to cause stress for all of us and its just for his own entertainment that we are all stupid enough to take his bait.

**There is no point to this other then flaming war now. I suggest this topic be closed**

Edit: Changed my mind keep going Guys;p
[Nexus 10 General] :
Many have questioned about use of dual core A15 in Exynos 5. Well, GPU is anyways the best among all "Android tablets" with highest memory bandwidth. People seemed to still question the dual-core CPU.

Here's a detailed CPU number cruncher performed by Michael Larabel on Linux platform:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_exynos5_dual&num=1

This essentially looks at Chromebook performance which runs the exact same SoC in N10. Why I would look at these rather than Android benchmarks is because Android doesn't have any proper dedicated CPU benchmark other than Geekbench. All other benchmarks are more like all-in-one tests or browser-based Javascript tests which really tells very less about the CPU.

NOTE: Comparison against ATOM, Tegra 3 and Intel i3.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
This sums it up nicely:

"Let's hope ASUS is saving the best for its Windows 8 tablets later this year."

Asus tablet owners don't get to play the "but mine's perfect card." Everyone who follows Asus' tablets are well aware of all the build, QC, and second-tier components issues they suffer. Even if it had the exact same display as the N10 it wouldn't make up for the piss poor performance when used out of the box. I've noticed you skipped the IO issue completely as well as the dreadful stock Sunspider scores. When you break it down the TF700's nothing more than a re-warmed year-old TF201 using a 15 month old 40nm A9 chip that's at the end of its lifecycle. So even if as you say the TF700's display is the "best" it's burdened by being attached to an Asus tablet. So while the display's important it's not the only thing people should look at when selecting a tablet. There's a reason Google has Asus building their $199 tablet and Samsung their premium one.
[Nexus 10 General] kevinb77:
I have owned the TF201, traded that in for the TF700 due to the GPS and WiFi issues the TF201 had. And now I own the Nexus 10.

Here is my breakdown of each device.

Stock TF201 destroyed stock TF700 in smoothness and speed.

The TF700 had to be rooted and ROM'd with Paranoid Android to get any where near the stock TF201 performance.

The fact is that the TF700 was rushed out to market and was riddled with build quality problems. Screen creeks, light bleed and dead pixels.

Asus screwed themselves with their high end tablet builds. So much so, that I probably would never buy another Asus Tablet.

The Nexus 10 is what the Infinity was always trying to be, even with the Infinity loaded with a great ROM like Paranoid Android.

Out of the box the Nexus 10 scored a 4600 + on Quadrant. My Infinity would not even scratch 4000 with it over clocked and ROM'd. The Infinity is a pretty awful product and to say that it is better than the N10 is ridiculous.

This guys problems is not with the product though it is more with the OS. 4.2.1 or 4.2 is an amazing OS and can be modified quite a bit with a new launcher such a Nova. This guys complaints just are not well founded or well researched.
[Nexus 10 General] naira1:
Waoo, this thread is still waxing strong here. This is a bait guys and some are falling for it. Those of us that have tried both tablets knows the infinity is no where near the nexus. Not in display nor performance.

The problem is people like to justify their choice.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
The devs in the TF700 forum are some of the most clever I've seen on XDA. They've been able to get excellent performance out of the TF700.

But here's how...

1) Unlocking the device using the Asus unlocker tool thus 100% voiding your warranty requiring an additional $100 insurance plan from SquareTrade to keep it protected.

2) Using data2SD to overcome the IO issues with Asus' stock NAND solution requiring the purchase of a class-10 SD card for another $50

3) Disabling fsync so that SQLite doesn't r/w data in cache to get silly bumps in Quadrant IO tests while putting all your SQLite databases at risk of corruption should an app FC or the tablet spontaneously reboot.

4) Using browser2SD so that all the browser's cache is placed in RAM reducing multitasking capabilities and erasing all your browser settings on each reboot.

5) OC'ing both the CPU and GPU

So you're left with a $650 tablet with no factory warranty and with your data at risk. Anyone here who thinks that's a good recipe can get a TF700 with performance competitive to the N10 and Note 10.1 out-of-the-box.

And don't be fooled by the Quadrant scores people with hacked TF700's post. All the gains are in IO which because fsync is disabled are grossly exaggerated. And IO beyond a certain point on any Android device is just a waste because the OS and apps aren't able to take advantage of it.
[Nexus 10 General] aznmode:
Thanks for the input. I have to agree that tf201 stock is way smoother than tf700. I just acquired a tf700 and man it is laggy as F. It's fairly new so not sure I want to break warranty just to make it on par with the tf201. In your opinion, was unlocking worth it?
[Nexus 10 General] rkirmeier:
You can side load Flash and use AOSP browser or many other aftermarket browsers. Also, already ROMs that support the tablet GUI. It has a better SoC and screen then anything else out there for about $100 cheaper. Obviously you do through tablets like most people go through garbage bags. Get over it and realize you just can't be happy or always need a new toy to play with.
[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
Good detail Barry -- thanks for spelling this out.

I had an Infinity just shy of two months, at which point I exercised my option under Best Buy premiere silver to return it and the keyboard / dock for a full refund. It was a frustrating decision, as my device was physically perfect -- none of the screen lift, light bleed, battery, etc problems that some reported. It really felt like an elegant high class piece of tech. Uncharacteristically, I made the mistake of allowing all the OTA updates before I read the TF700 forums carefully, and learned that I had lost my chance to use NvFlash to grab a copy of the unique "blobs" that I would need if I ever had to restore the device from some catastrophic flashing error. Between ASUS and NVidia, the device is apparently quite a lot riskier to flash than are any of the Nexus devices. Also, as others pointed out, the only tool that can unlock the Infinity does so in tandem with logging your serial number at ASUS -- instantly invalidating your warranty.

As you pointed out, there are very creative devs in the TF700 forum who have squeezed good performance out of the Infinity, but along with the compromises you described, it appears that there's a much smaller dev community for the Infinity than we'll see for any Nexus device. The one ROM that everyone there raves about (CleanROM) was (I read) abandoned by its dev as he decided to pursue other devices. Others have started jumping in to help out -- but this just reinforces my perception that dev support for this device will be relatively scarce and fleeting. Once the devs lose interest, my guess is that keeping the tricked-out (but risky) performance hacks in place will wind up meaning that you have to remain at an older version of Android.

I really wanted to like the Infinity. Fit and finish on mine was great. The screen really looked nice, battery life, especially with the dock, was very good. Expandable memory was nice to have. But...the periodic lagging and freezing was extremely frustrating. Wi-Fi was slow. I didn't want to risk the performance hacks and void my warranty just to get it to work decently. So..in the end, I simply returned it, and will be ordering the N10 today.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
The only value these types of threads provide is allowing people to get more detail on the positives and negatives of devices their looking at so they can make an informed decision. Asus sold 3MM tablets last quarter (a big YOY gain) so it's not like there blowing up in people's hands. But the impressions of a first-time tablet buyer with virgin expectations is different than a jaded XDA audience. At the end of the day glomming on to a singe feature like the display without any regard to the rest of the user experience doesn't really fly here. The N10's not perfect and some of the reasons have been vetted here pretty well. Same thing for the TF700. To me, that's what XDA's about and anyone reading this thread can draw their own conclusions. So while these threads tend to get emotional and heated the end result is still positive if it allows people to know more before pulling the trigger one way or the other.
[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
I agree 100%. I've managed to avoid commenting on the posts that sound like schoolyard taunts, but I read these threads thoroughly and sift for meaningful info, consistent patterns and experiences, and use this as additional input to support my decision(s). If a thread devolves to useless name calling, it usually gets shut down -- or I drop my subscription to that thread. As long as there's useful input and my decisions are pending, I'll keep browsing.
[Nexus 10 General] iheartandroi:
Completely agree with what pierre and the OP are saying. I had the N10 and after using it for a while i realized that it just was not as good a device as my infinity. So i ended up returning the N10....

Btw nice job finding these reviews, they really shed some light on what i was already starting to think about the two. The display on the infinity just looks better. I don't know why it would since the N10 is supposed to have the higher resolution. Maybe it is really is down to brightness and contrast. Probably also because of what the one reviewer said that there just isnt anything on android that has or probably will take advantage of that kind of resolution.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Good! Here I thought the fire was about to burn out. Luckily PK is kind enough to add more wood to the fire:D

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[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
You argued your point (same ones you just posted here) repeatedly on the other thread, and it wound up turning into an ugly and unproductive name-calling contest. Without repeating the arguments, others responded to you and pointed out several reviews that run counter to the ones you quote. Additionally -- reviewers tend to have review devices for perhaps a week or two at a time before writing their reviews, while XDA if chock full of people who have owned Infinity's for a few months, and wound up selling them, at a loss, in order to replace them with a Nexus 10. They all consistently describe build quality issues, laggy performance, the need for software mods that compromise the warranty and data integrity in order to make the device run "normally". The TF700 forums are also littered with dozens of posts of folks who have bricked the device, and it seems that a significant percentage of users have struggled with rooting -- far more than have such issues with any Nexus device.

I owned an Infinity for 2 months, and used it daily. The device itself was a gorgeous build - but in real world use, I ran into serious lagging several times a day. I simply wasn't about to go through the various hacks in hopes that it would work out, that I'd be happy with the results, and that a new author would pick up CleanROM -- or that others would stay interested in supporting it.

I knowingly gave up a very nice keyboard / dock with an extended battery, as well as expandable memory, all so I could return the Infinity and get a Nexus 10 instead.

BTW: I'm not a naive user by any means -- more than 25 years industry experience, architect / developer / product owner / consulting practice leader / CIO / CTO at NASDAQ-traded firms. I've been a hands-on developer and tech user longer than many XDA members have been alive. My decision to trade in the Infinity to get a Nexus 10 was based on my own experience and knowledge as well as all the research I had done on the topic. Perhaps more pertinent -- I lean very hard on the tech devices and software that I use, and can pretty much guarantee that my own usage patterns over 2 months exercised the Infinity far more thoroughly than the vast majority of reviewers did during the couple of weeks they had to play with one.

In the end - the argument over "which is better" is serving very little purpose. The devices are different, and have differing attributes that will appeal to different users. You apparently like the Infinity. That's fine. But repeating your tirade about reviews and arguing "which is best" in multiple threads is really getting old. Would be really nice if you could let it alone, and let people read your other thread if they want to see these arguments again.
[Nexus 10 General] iheartandroi:
Haha took me a while to figure out what PK was lol. I like this debate too because it really is informative! Both devices are awesome, but its good to get input from users that are disappointed too with the N10 and other viable options!

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Whoa you need to take it down a notch man lol. You have some good points, but i personally think that post by PK (lol) was very informative. AT least he provided links and quotes backing up his decision to go back to the infinity.

Just because that post wasn't informative to you, doesn't mean its not helpful to other users on this forum (helped me out). If you disagree with his points then fine, but don't attack him out of no where. This is a different thread and he made some very good points.

By the way i was apart of that thread that closed and no one could provide a link or quote or at least a reputable one that countered what PK was saying.

Again man you need to relax, its a simple debate and commenting the way you just did is just as much reason to close the thread. I actually love these kinds of debates and dont want to see it closed over people commenting the way you just did. Hope you are happy with your N10 though! It really does come down to personal preference.