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[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
Dude why are you even here on the DNA forum if you clearly have a note 2? Seriously? Just so you can *****? This phone to me is better that the giant s3, which looks stupid using as a mobile phone and can't even be used with one hand. I don't understand why so many Samsung fanboys hang around the DNA forum.

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You people talking about lag still don't understand it. Setting animations makes animations faster. Sense animates SLOWER than touchwiz. THAT'S NOT HARDWARE LIMITATION! Common sense, people..Jesus christ.
[HTC Droid DNA] azndan2:
Agreed, this thread is useless.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
where's that dude who claims every thread is as useless as his nipples?? lol
[HTC Droid DNA] divine1250:
I am no expert but i read alot about devices and android operating systems. i was just wandering why everyone is saying that the droid dna's screen would take so much power to run the pixels? when i first read the spec sheet on this phone i thought it was just a leaked spec sheet instead of an official one. A battery so small to power a 1080p screen,LTE,bluetooth,gps, and not to mention apps and games? that made no scense to me. But as i read more about the device and its processor it looks to me that they have indeed found a way to supress the need for so much power consumption. Remember im no expert so please correct me if im wrong. Now with the s4 pro, all radios(4g,cdma,gsm) are installed on the chip right? and this chip is constructed to save power right? so it makes scense to use a smaller battery to keep the device as slim as possible right? someone help me explain what im getting at and correct me if im wrong because my battery life is insane for a device you would think demanded loads of power to run.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
you're pretty much right. the new S4pro is very power efficient, as is the SLCD3 technology. that's why so many of us are getting good battery life out of a 2020mah battery.
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
Jayochs, I remember you from the Rez days. Animations are key. Sure, you can tweak with the speed. But HTC picked a horrible way to implement them. the reason things seem so fluid with a GS3 is because it allows for stock Jellybean animations while Sense uses a Frankenstein set. I'm not saying that the DNA isn't snappy, but the animations they provided don't do it justice.

And to add, blacks look amazing on this screen. I'd even say close to how they appear on an AMOLED.
[HTC Droid DNA] divine1250:
thanks for the response. thats is exactly what i figured. And jellybean is also tweaked to conserve power so they knew the battery they chose to use would be sufficient. still not understanding the complaints about battery life then.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
I respect you and I know we've gone over this. And I know that I no longer have the DNA, but I always like to contribute to things that I own or have owned. Just the way I am.

So I have two things about this... The first is that i never buy a phone with the thought of wanting or having to install a third party launcher to make the phone bearable and smoother.

The "just install Nova and all the slowness is gone" argument means nothing to me. I can install Nova on any phone released within the last year and it would be smooth. The DNA specs have nothing to do with it. A Note 2 would run Nova exactly the same. I buy a phone for its built in launcher, functionality, battery life, etc.

My second thought is that whether it is intentional slower animations or a heavy Sense, slow is slow. Doesn't matter the reason to me. And for the DNA just to lumber along through homescreen scrolling for a late 2012 flagship phone is just unacceptable to me.

Also, if the hardware is so great, why slow down animations so much when most people like a fast and smooth experience? This leads me to believe that it's still a Sense issue and they are just masking it to make it seem smoother.

Those are just my thoughts bro and it's ok if you don't agree. :D
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Not really. While it's all opinion, and some of it is one-sided, it helps people that are potentially comparing the three phones decide what's best for them. This forum's turned out to be just like the forums for all HTC's recently released "flagship" phones with fans defending HTC's questionable design choices. A 2020 mAh battery (smaller than the nine-month old SGS3 and only 11% larger than the OG One X) and 11GB of fixed user-accessible storage is marginal at best. So folks can wish it or rationalize it away all they want but because of HTC's choices it'll haunt the device for all of its marketable life. And until HTC somehow figures out how to make devices that are as practical (and competitive) as they are pretty their going to continue to lose market share and these "yet it is/no it isn't" debates over the real-world performance of their devices will rage on.

I just took my "giant SGS3" on a fairly long trip over Christmas. My rental car had Sync so I got to use BT heavily for calls, messaging, and A2DP. I also used the device for navigation. My Teg3 One X used as a navigation device usually ran extremely hot and even with a 2A charger would lose battery while in use. The giant SGS3 actually charged while navigating, had no problem switching between apps (music player, CoPilot, MMS, e-mail, search), and Samsung's smart enough to put a toggle in settings that allows you to disable the capacitive button lights so they don't distract you at night. I was a big Sense fan and it was one of the reasons (the other was the display) that I got a One X over a SGS3. But as someone else mentioned the options Samsung provides to customize the use of the device and tailor it to the various ways you use it runs circles around Sense. And I’ve used Sense 4, 4.1, and 4+.

There are lots of reasons to buy a DNA/Butterfly and lots of reasons not to. Same thing for the N2. Since everyone uses their devices differently it's kind of silly to: A) ridicule another device based on a single and individual use case, and B) put blinders on when some of a devices clearly negative attributes are discussed.

The M7 is HTC’s next shot at a flagship global device (the DNA/Butterfly is a limited release). If it has a fixed marginal battery, limited storage (or options), Sense as it exists today, and its only stand-out features are a kick-ass display and its looks than HTC’s screwed. Because, once again, soon after it’s released the SGS4 will be too. HTC doesn’t need fans, it appears they have many. They need to sell devices in far greater quantities than they have. And being shown up by competitors and forcing people to make compromises won’t get them there.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
you're right, you shouldn't have to buy a phone to put a launcher on it. i ditched touchwiz early on for the S3 because the home screen was jumpy and lagged and redrew all the time, and nova was a better option. on the DNA though, i have absolutely no problem with the heavy-handed approach for the launcher animation. i like how it looks, because i like how they implemented the transparency when you're switching screens. i'm one of those people who actually enjoy animations bc i like the eye candy.

in the end, it's just how HTC codes compared to how samsung codes. i don't agree with HTC's coding of tehir camera app, because they crippled an amazing camera. that's just how they do it though. it's not wrong or right, it's not covering anything up, it's just how two different companies code two different pieces of software.

and we all know sense is the heaviest UI out there on android..etiher you love it, or you hate it. i've loved it since day one with the Eris, and going to a Gnex left me bored, and the S3 somewhat helped pick it up with touchwiz..but in teh end, none of it matches sense for me.

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my gs3 isn't even running jb lol it's just using faster animation speed for transitions and launcher..i keep meaning to put JB on it, but i can tell you right now, i hate the notification dropdown of stock android, which samsung put alot into the GS3 with. it's less FPS than the stock touchwiz ICS one, and that annoys the hell outta me.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
That's a great example. In 4.1.2 you can determine which toggles you want to appear in the notification bar and can change their order too. And when you long-press them they open the corresponding settings menu (EG: short-press Wi-Fi for on/off, long-press to open Wi-Fi settings). They are little things but they add up to make the device easier to use and configure. AOSP/AOKP ROMs served a purpose when SoCs were slow, RAM was skimpy, and overlays really bogged a device down. That's really not the case any longer. I was playing with a friends N10 for a while a couple of days ago. Stock 4.2 was a feature-less wasteland compared to all the stuff Samsung's provided in TW on the Note 10.1. Similarly, he was kind of amazed at the additional features of the Note 10.1 compared to his N10.
[HTC Droid DNA] shawnx1:
Well I returned the DNA today for the Note 2 maybe i can get through a day with out a charge now. The size of the note 2 not really a factor now since having the DNA for week still not as nice when it comes to feel in my hand but hopefully i can hold it longer instead of charging it. The Droid DNA is not terrible on battery i'm just a heavy user i guess.
[HTC Droid DNA] Papa Smurf151:
thread cleaned. Everyone needs to chill out before I starting throwing out infractions like its candy
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
Snickers?!

But, seriously. I came from a GS3 to the DNA and I have to say it seems rather plain. I wish I could mix Rosie and the overall color scheme with Touchwiz. Getting a Note 2 on Tuesday so I guess I'll have to see. I played with one that my friend has and rather enjoyed the feel in my hand.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
one thing i'll never understand about touchwiz: wtf is with the green and orange data arrows?!?!?!? lol
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
Hahaha I really don't know. Touchwiz has THE ugliest color scheme in my opinion. I made sure the ROMs I ran on my gs3 had a black/blue/white theme.

Gotta love that Nature UX ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
I mean maybe it's because they use amoled and those colors pop...I don't really have a problem with it.. but I'm just used to normal colors like white, or blue on the stock android stuff.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
My bet is that you will keep the Note 2. I did and haven't looked back. Get it, root it, unlock the bootloader and flash Beans Rom. He nailed it with the theming and all of that. No more worrying about orange and green lol.

The DNA wasn't a bad phone by any means but there is something about the Note 2 that won me over. The overall smoothness and battery life is probably it.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
if the note 2 wasn't so stupidly big i'd like it.... oh wait, that's the galaxy s3...;)
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
If the DNA had better battery life I would probably stick with it. Before someone jumps my sh*t, a 1080p screen is not worth the sub-par battery life compared to the Note 2. Glad to know Beans is in there. I switched between Beans and Scroslers ROMs on the gs3
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. I loved the DNA screen and overall look and design of the phone. But the battery life, while not terrible, just wasn't good enough for me. I'm a moderate to often heavy user. And not to mention the 11gb of storage and no external storage.

With the DNA, I found myself constantly struggling and battling to squeeze 3 to maybe 4 hours screen time on the extreme high end with only about 10-14 hours overall time. For some that might be plenty, but not for me.

Now with my Note 2, I hit 7 hours screen time with 14 1/2 overall time.... On my first charge ever with the phone. Now with more normal usage, I am getting 1-2 days with 5-6 hours of screen time.

And Scrosler is developing for it too! :D
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
Exactly. Given the thinnes of the device and the screen the battery life isn't bad...but it's not what I want. I'd rather have a thicker phone with an extra day of charge. Dat S-Pen. Just watched a few videos from phonedog and I'm drooling. I wants it haha.

I know! Im excited. I was sad when he told me he would never dev on HTC phones again :/
[HTC Droid DNA] boodies:
To all the note 2 owners, just get out of here guys, they are enjoying their phones so let them.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
I still don't understand how Scott has this many followers for being an apk deleter.... but whatever.

idc about battery life to be honest. I'm always near a charger anyway, and I've got that awes anker 10,000 mah charger to take with me if I go out somewhere all day. good enough for me!
[HTC Droid DNA] jreed2560:
Comparing the DNAs battery to the note 2 is ridiculous. The note 2 doesn't have better battery life, it just has a bigger battery. Put the same 3100mAh battery in the DNA and its a wash really. Not that you would need that much battery because you could have the DNA and buy two wireless chargers and still come out cheaper and never have your battery dip below 80 percent. The DNA is the better phone for me and everyone else who chose it. So go spread your note 2 love with fellow note 2 owners like we are trying to do here for our phone.

sent from my DNA Employee Edition 04271
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
Yeah that's the funny thing...everyone's like omfg better battery life! Of course, with a battery with a thousand more mah! It's like comparing a razr to a razr maxx.
[HTC Droid DNA] tehknics:
I was going to say the exact same thing :)

Sent from my HTC Droid DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] divine1250:
I am not bias toward either device because both are great. But i did research before i chose the DNA and it is the better device hardware wise. the DNA's s4 pro combined with adreno 320 is the newest chip in a released smartphone to date making it more futureproof than the note 2 cpu/gpu combo. can anyone deny the power of the s4/andreo 225 in the U.S. gs3? So just imagine what the s4 PRO/andreno 320 combo is capable of.

The NOTE 2 also has great hardware but where it shines is in the software department with so many different software features its enough to steer customers away from the sheer power of the DNA.

Just my opinion folks.
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
Winner winner chicken dinner.
[HTC Droid DNA] trickster2369:
Looks like we have it all figured out now. Can we close the thread now?
[HTC Droid DNA] bartoloandre98:
Nokia 3310.Winner of all
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
hahaha yes, for the love of god close it.
[HTC Droid DNA] molesarecoming:
you say wasteland but even touchwizz is based on it, brings in 95% of the effort, fills in few of its own but in a gaudy manner. android is more, it's a science in all things UI and UX. the consistency and how it interacts with the hardware is what makes it android. if you take that away you're left with something inferior. you say features, but this is xda, every rom out there gives you features. roms fit every possible taste. stock android is aosp, it can be anything you want it to be. most importantly, android is made modular - developers can hook into lockscreens, notfications, pretty much anything to extend it. thats the whole idea behind it.

but here's the ugly catch. roms will never run perfect on a closed plattform and on devices stuck in the gingerbread era (-> hardware buttons which are obsolete since ics). on the nexus plattform rom makers develop features and fresh roms, on a closed plattform they cant do that, they have to sit months until they can breach your manufacturers protection scheme. often you wait longer for a stable rom than for the manufacturer to release a skinned update. vital parts will be missing, half the roms out there lack the hwcomposer f.i. i know of very few plattforms that can run a stable 4.2, and the day you run it, android has further progressed to KLP. people forget how important software is and the eco system. androids inherent flaws need to get wiped out via adjustments and optimizations, not cores. thats why you saw a two years old gnex trump a quad s3 with the 4.1 update.

seriously, for a decade these corporations have had you on a tight rope. remember the good old time when cellphones would dial into expensive services when you sit on it or blow up magically when the contract runs up. when you could do nothing to break free, had to pay overprice for every little extra (tethering, voip, etc.). why do you trust them so much. they need to use android right now because the market demands, but they cling to the same old strategies. thats the main reason they skin, to be able to shape and limit your freedom, which they so openly and obviously do. you're not seriously thinking touchwizz takes half a year to bring up to date. they know you'll just hop to the s4 when waitings getting on your nerves. i just dont think a company like samsung deserves praise. they are guilty of fragmentation, withholding sources, making shady deals with carriers, bloating devices, blocking dev scene, locking in customers, dazzling the clueless with fake-stats, skinning for the sake of being free from mainline android in order to let devices rot and increase device sales. they ride android like an old donkey.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
i can't edit the quick toggles on my GS3...wtf? rom or stock? wait nm thats a note 2 isnt it?
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
The main point was what the phone can do stock. Just saying :p. To add, most of the stuff you just complained about Samsung doing isn't their fault but the carriers. Look at an international version compared to American and you'll see what I'm talking about
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
yeah, that screen temperature thing really got me..lol why wouldn't verizon add that? it's like here on the DNA; the other phones on even sense 4 and ICS have the ability to remap the recent apps button to holding it down for menu etc...verizon removed that. VERIZON DID. why? i don't get it.
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
The same reason they put their logo on the home button of the Note 2 -.-
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
hahaha it's so ugly..thank god someone made those stickers to put over it.
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
It's so dumb, though. Why in the world would they ever do that? It'd be like if the soft keys on the DNA said "V" "Z" "W"
[HTC Droid DNA] vdChild:
Please don't give them any ideas

Sent using my body's DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
HAHA i just laughed out loud. that would be amazingly hilarious. quick, someone make a Gnex mod that does this.
[HTC Droid DNA] shawnx1:
What is going on in this thread most the cap is not even on topic.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
yeah because we all pretty much just realized it's useless and is gonna cause flame wars and trolls to come in here.
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
Actually we're still talking about the phones...technically. trololol.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
tis the season to be trolly, trolololol, lolol, lol lol
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
iPhone beats all three

:silly:
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
haha oh i will end you. lol :eek:
[HTC Droid DNA] xxfallacyxx:
No no, let him do it himself. They always do. :)
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
I'll use apple maps to find a bridge to jump off of, but I'm afraid it may direct me to the nearest movie theater that's shwoing Twilight which is worse than death.
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
may god have mercy on your soul.
[HTC Droid DNA] Pneumo:
cheers for the info
[HTC Droid DNA] SwordOfWar:
I played with both the Note 2 and the DNA in the Verizon store and chose the DNA for a few reasons:

1. After a week or so I'd probably stop using the stylus, just because it's inconvenient to take out and put back. It's also for the most part unnecessary for most of the tasks done on a phone.

2. The DROID DNA's screen was already borderline irritating to operate with one hand. I still have to struggle a little bit to reach the far left/bottom corner of the screen with my thumb from my right hand without using both hands to hold the phone.

3. The DROID DNA can still fit in my pocket. The note is big and not as easy to carry around. I'd rather get a real tablet at that point.

The only real drawbacks of the DNA in my opinion:

- No external storage card slot

- No removable battery

Software wise, I still have yet to see any stock ROM beat CyanogenMod when it comes to features and customization. Having a good stock ROM is important. They may not have all the features of custom ROMs but they are usually reliable.

Personally when I look at a phone these days I'm looking for hardware specs and physical usability of the device (how it feels, screen quality, size etc). I leave it to CyanogenMod or other custom ROMs to pickup the pieces lacking software wise. Usually I do my research on this to make sure I have some custom ROM options before making a decision.

I'm perfectly happy with the DNA's Sense ROM, but if CyanogenMod is ever ported/built for the DNA I will be switching to it. In the meantime, there are already some great custom Sense ROMs to keep things feeling fresh.
[HTC Droid DNA] shawnx1:
I had the DNA took it back for the Note 2 and haven't regretted it. I couldn't deal with the battery life of the Dna and the fact that I couldn't do anything about it left me no choice but to return it if your going to make the battery non removable then at least put a larger battery in it. My screen on time on the note 2 is longer then the Dna's total off charge time by a lot.
[HTC Droid DNA] art0605:
It seems like the DNA is depreciating in value much, much quicker than the Note II... People are still selling and buying the Note II at same retail 700 price. While you can snag a DNA for 500 - 550 ish, more than 50 off of retail.
[HTC Droid DNA] trickster2369:
nevermind
[HTC Droid DNA] jayochs:
annoying thread is annoying.

if you have a note 2, why are you here? seriously? go to the note 2 forums. have fun. cya!
[Nexus 4 General] imtiax:
Well, I for one did not expect Google to mess up this bad.

They run the biggest Data centers and networks in the world.

And they can't manage to have a good system for Ordering/Shipping phones?

I might just send them an email asking them why they don't purchase a small company that deals with shipping/orders.

They might as well do that as it will save them in the future.
[Nexus 4 General] 9099:
About two Weeks late bro
[Nexus 4 General] imtiax:
Yeah I know, I just never got around to making this thread.
[Nexus 4 General] 9099:
I read on another forum that even after the second launch they were still blown away by how many people were still purchasing the n4. I think they were just unprepared and should've waited for the others to receive their phones from the 13th.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
Perhaps this really the way they had planned it to go. All the publicity, the rarety bringing prices up.

At this point I find it hard to believe that most of us all knew oy would be big which is why we waited all night, etc. There is no way they could not know.

In the end this may turn out very well as long as they get any issues sorted quickly.

I read an article today that apple is releasing a $200 iPhone to compete with Google. Go figure, Google is changing everything!

sent via xda premium with nexus 7 while waiting for my back ordered Nexus 4-hoping for it today or tomorrow!!
[Nexus 4 General] mobilehavoc:
I think you don't understand with over 100 million android users even if like 3-4 % decide they want this phone that's 4 million orders. Even the best servers in the world can't handle millions of people hitting a site and mashing F5.

Its called DDOS attack and all us crazy Nexus 4 purchasers were doing that to Google.
[Nexus 4 General] imtiax:
Well I was referring to the Stock Issue, they should have been prepared.

An Android with 2GB ram and a Quad Core Processor is a must have. Especially for that dirt cheap price.
[Nexus 4 General] CrazyPeter:
Don't forget all the stupid apps and scripts constantly polling the servers for updates...

Hardly surprising the have problems coping with demand...