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[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
At the end of the day they are both still phones. The DNA's parlor tricks are a 1080P display and a uber-fast SoC. The Note's are S-Pen and multiview. Coming from Sense, here are some features I've been using in TW that are pretty cool. For people that hate overlays and probably should have gotten a Nexus they won't matter. Same thing for people that would rather chew broken glass than own a Samsung phone. For productivity users they can really make a difference. While the N2's gargantuan a lot of the things you normally do can be done via voice with a BT headset while the phone is in your pocket or briefcase. They are also great when you want to control the phone without having to pick it up and plow through menus to select something. You can call these gimmicks but when you compare TW and Sense, the latter’s certainly prettier but Samsung’s obviously invested a ton of time figuring out what people do with their phones and has provided some pretty neat management tools.

Unlock via voice and go directly to:

- S-Voice

- Phone

- Messages

- Camera

- Music Player

Control common functions via voice:

- Wi-Fi/BT on or off

- Set alarm

- Driving mode (read incoming text and e-mail messages aloud over speaker and BT)

- Open apps

- Search the device or web

- Update Twitter and FB

- Next appointment

- Create task or meeting

- Create memo

- Send text message

- Voice dial by name or number

- Find nearest POI (EG: Starbucks)

Quick Glance - Wave your hand over the phone when it’s off to see a status (battery, missed calls, messages and what’s playing in the music app)

Direct Call – Dial a contact that’s open by bring the phone to your ear in the contacts, phone or MMS app.

Smart Alert – Phone vibrates when off when you pick it up if you have any missed calls or messages

Launch Camera by Touch - Unlock the phone and launch the camera by touching the screen and pivoting from portrait to landscape

Palm Swipe - Take a screen shot by moving your hand across the screen

Palm Touch – Mute the device by covering the display with your hand.

Voice Application Control:

- Phone – Incoming calls can be answered or rejected

- Alarm – Stop or snooze

- Camera – Capture shots by saying smile, cheese, capture, or shoot

- Music – Next, previous, pause, play, volume up, and volume down

Smart Stay and Smart Rotation – keeps display on when you’re looking at it and keeps the rotation set based on the orientation of your head (EG: laying down the screen would still show in portrait).

Capacitive light duration setting (always on, always off, 1.5 seconds. 6 seconds)

Control what’s shown via the LED indicator.

Comparison threads are always kind of dicey because of people's biases and preferences but they do help others make decisions based on reading opinions and figuring out how they apply to their specific hot buttons and needs.
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
Samsung is making a 1080p screen mostly because people will like the sound of it and think it's a reason to upgrade from their GS3. Just like manufacturers advertising more megapixels in camera shots rather than if it's better in low lighting. I don't see how someone could say the Note 2's screen is awful either. It's not as bright as the DNA's but I can walk around in bright sunlight and use it without any trouble, and colors look great.

imo the Note 2's screen is overall more enjoyable because of its size, but I admit I also am a little crazy for liking a phone this size.
[HTC Droid DNA] imjehh:
both are so nice but i may pick one up just to see which i like better
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Seriously though, can you even remember all of these features, let alone use them all on a daily basis, and how does this enrich your life?

While owning SGS3, I've never used any of these besides palm screenshot thingy. To me most of these seemed awkwardly forced, almost like Sammy is spoon feeding us with these for "innovation" bragging rights. They're anything but innovative.

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Just to clarify, Note 2 is definitely NOT a phone. It's a phablet, not in a same category as DNA and the rest of the pack.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
I have three Exchange accounts and get about 200 e-mail's a day, am on about 25 calls a day, am in long meetings, get about 50 SMS a day, and travel a lot. You remember what makes you more productive. For a gamer or someone who uses their device for consumption most of my list is irrelevant. Productivity users will appreciate it.

Most of the discussion here hasn't been about S-Note and the "phablet" specific features. It's been comparing the two devices being used the same way. To someone not using S-Pen or inking the N2's just a big phone. You’d have to admit 26 pages of discussion is a lot for two devices that aren't similar enough in function to be compared. And in both forums there are people deciding between the two.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
My usage is very similar to yours. Almost identical actually. Even thinking about using all those Samsung gestures would drastically slow my workflow, certainly not help. There are a few exceptions, but as I said already, feels awefully forced on users.

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I am not talking about S-Pen, or the functionality between DNA and Note 2. We could talk about similarities between Note 2 and Nexus 7 if you wish.

I am specifically talking about the form factor. It's not a phone. It's a phablet.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
have you looked at them side by side? apparentley not cause at full brightness the s3 and note II are actually brighter but auto brightness is much nicer on dna so you never notice it in reality. colors look fake on s3 and note to me. after rezound spoiled me with real and true colors. now the dna is even better i like that much more! take a hard look at both phones side by side with exact same photo and not the pixels are not visible on dna, colors are as bright and vibrant but they are exaclty like real life and also much sharper than note II. until people sit down with them side by side and notice the difference dont open your mouth the mouth about the screen then!

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not sure how you can say they arent in the same category. they are both phones in my point of view
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
They have phone capabilities. One is still within the smartphone limits where I can still operate quick one handed gestures that helps my busy workdays.

The other one is not only taller, but

wider

which kills any hope for those crucial smartphone operations. Unless you're a basketball player...

And also phablet = phone +(and/or) tablet. It's purely the form factor. Just like a tablet doesn't require a stylus, a phablet could be a "stylus free" giant touchscreen crossover device ...
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
I have and the DNA seemed brighter, but I didn't try pulling up the same images side by side. I also keep my Note 2 on full brightness always, never tested out the auto brightness on it (not sure if DNA was on auto).

The Note 2 also by default is on a much more vivid color mode to try to make icons pop in store. Samsung does the same thing with their tvs. By default, things are too sharp and vivid - makes real things look like Nintendo games. I think the super sharpness might be an attempt to make sd video look better, but without a way of turning off when receiving 1080p video.

Edit: Just checked and when both are on full brightness and showing google in the android browser, the DNA is noticeably brighter. Interestingly, the DNA was set to about 1/3 brightness and the owner didn't think he had ever changed that setting.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
I agree with you. But because the N2's so big you have to change the way you normally do things anyway. The voice controls are really helpful when you're on the go because reading or responding to a text is really difficult to do one handed. Unlocking and opening a specific app directly via voice is pretty useful as is having incoming texts and e-mail read aloud. Launching the camera by just touching and rotating the display is pretty neat. So is being able to disable the capacitive buttons when watching video in apps that aren't smart enough to do it themselves. I didn't mean to give the impression that everything on the list was equally useful.

Totally.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
great review of extra features. I played with the note2 at a samsung kiosk in the mall before it was on verizon and the guy was going through all the extras. Would take time to learn, but if you keep the device more than 6 months, I can see it being beneficial

The other day I went to the local corp verizon store. I installed tubemate on all the devices I was playing with (from external source). I downloaded the same 4k hobbit trailer (1920x1080) from youtube. I played it on all the devices while comparing it to my Rezound. All phones were on full brightness.

The Note 2 seemed to be considerably brighter than the DNA and on par with my Rezound. Maybe its because of the oversaturated, high contrast look they go for, maybe its the extra 0.5", but video just looked brighter to me. Nothing worse than watching a video and its too dark.

I agree that whether the note 2 is a phablet or not, it and the DNA are what people are comparing when looking at high end smart phones on verizon. The close release dates and specs are going to make that happen.

People are not buying the nexus 7 to carry as their daily driver smartphone. Most people who get the note 2 are getting it as their primary device.
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
Did you look at the brightness setting? It's possible the DNA was turned down or its automatic brightness tends to be lower - which makes sense because it has a shorter battery life. My Note 2 is the same as others I've seen so unless my brother-in-law got a factory freak...
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Whether the release dates created this situation or not I don't know, but DNA should be compared to SGS3, One X+, Optimus G, Nexus 4, Lumia 920.

Note 2 is a phablet category device like Note, LG Vu and upcoming Huawei. It's a completely different category, created for completely different user profiles.

A true problem is that techie users on tech forums tend to compare devices by specs which is completely skewed.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Good points. I think there are a couple reasons they are being compared. They both are the latest and greatest from Samsung and HTC and represent both companies’ best thinking. Rarely did the OG Note get taken seriously as an alternative to a "standard" phone because its form factor, design, features, and specs really did make it a "phablet." The N2 is still huge but it's a lot more graceful and more convincing as a daily driver than the OG Note ever was. The funny thing about the N2 is that once you get used to it it's no longer big; other phones are small. Even with 4.7/4.8/5" displays. Big is my new "normal." I'm waiting for JB so I can sell my One X and when I go back to it the lack of screen real estate is really hard to adjust to. Whatever category the N2's placed in there's a lot to like for people that can deal with the size.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
I'd rather look at it as a lack of top of the line smartphone from Samsung for the holiday season.

I guess you could also say it's a lack of a phablet from HTC...

Bottom line, they're two completely different categories of devices that call for two completely different user base.
[HTC Droid DNA] terriermike:
I work for VZW so switch phones more than most people. I had a GS3 and already had a Note II preordered, but when we got the DNA in I grabbed it to try out.

Having a GS3 I do like a lot of the Samsung features and also the overall smoothness...despite the hardware the GS3 seemed waaay smoother overall. Of course this phone is pushing way more pixels and I was running a debloated rom and custom kernel on the GS3. But the main thing that bothers me about Samsung is the damn radio!! WHY can't they make a phone with a chip that can get reception on par with the other's. The Fascinate (Galaxy 1) was abysmal, and the GS3 actually seemed decent at first, but then I noticed more and more calls were going in and out and even dropping where they shouldn't be. Surely Samsung is aware of these issues...or is it just becuase they make so many more GSM versions than CDMA?
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
It's also quite annoying that 5 or so apps out of the 60 that I normally use aren't supported yet by the 1080p display...
[HTC Droid DNA] jiwengang:
for example? if you dont mind? just curious to see.

cause common apps I am using are supported so far.
[HTC Droid DNA] speedracex:
can someone see if tweetdeck is installable? The app hasn't been updated in a year, but its the one I like using....
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Most of my games don't work.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
Off the top of my head:

Angry Birds Star Wars

Call of Duty Elite

Xbox Smartglass

There were more, but I can't remember right now.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Need for Speed <insert version>

Modern Combat 2

Horn

I'll add to the list when I remember more.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
What are you sounding salty for? That was his recommendation to him.

:p

Gs3
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Lolwut?
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
This is from a thread on the VZW Note II forum discussing the DNA. They obviously have a different slant then you guys. I'm sure you guys know Scott; he's got a tremendous following.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2006845&page=2

Here's my prediction based on following the One XL on AT&T. As Scott said, the DNA is a pretty evolutionary phone. It's a One XL with a marginally bigger batter (11%), a better SoC, and a 1080P display. VZW-loyal devs will work on it until their distracted much like Scott was. Samsung's already sold 5MM Note II's since it launched in October. How many DNA's so you think VZW will sell? Especially when the Note II's now available and a 1080P SGS4 is predicted to launch sometime in Q1. The N7100 has an international dev community and a lot of that work can be reused for the VZW Note as Samsung devices are easy to compartmentalize because the CSC, radios, and PDA files are separated and they are incredibly easy to flash. The One XL got some dev support in the beginning but compared to the international One X it was still marginal. Most of the devs quickly moved on to the SGS3 when it was released because there was a far larger audience and and more to work with. The One XL was a hot phone when it launched too and that quickly abated because a lot of people couldn't deal with 11GB of storage and a smallish battery and, like the DNA, it had a killer display and a great SoC (at the time). Time will tell and I think you guys are underestimating the impact of the storage limitation.

I moved my files over from my One X to my Note II. It's my pictures, music, and some TV shows and movies. I also use CoPilot for offline navigation and the US and EU database is about 2GB. I don't consider myself a real "heavy" storage user. And the cloud only helps you when you have access to it. People should buy what they like but minimizing shortcomings doesn't change them.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
It depends on how you take a screenshot. Power+home you can't share. Power+volume down you can share.
[HTC Droid DNA] th3taman:
Besides the screen, having a new phone, and wireless charging. This is the main reason I'm considering this phone. Freaking annoying that I can't make a phone call on my SG3. It works decently when on a TW ROM, but when on an AOSP ROM damn near impossible to talk on the phone in my house. Yet, I can use a Razr, Rhyme, iPhone, and even my crappy Bold from AT&T to talk on the phone.

I think the radios are Samsung's biggest downfall at this point. Plus I just want a new phone. :laugh::good:
[HTC Droid DNA] kejar31:
Still don't know why people who buy other phones come into threads to talk **** cause it seems obvious you choose the N2??? I think this phone will get plenty of support from dev's, in fact you are arguing with and quoting two pretty decent ones right in this thread. Also to predict developers will get bored with a phone after 6 months is like saying the desert is dry.. cause you know damn well it is and they will.. the point is that hopefully by 6 months there will be a solid device tree for AOSP then we will all just run the latest and greatest AOSP based ROM available regardless of whether there is solid developer group making OTA based ROM's.

Now if you don't like this phone that is cool, stay out of threads about it then and stop trying to scare people off with FUD to help justify your purchase...
[HTC Droid DNA] alchemist316:
Its really not to difficult to root and unlock I mean on irc if you really need a dev will do it for you lol .

But I see what everyones saying but I will keep this phone I was in the same boat with the EVO LTE not having root or s-off but the next day after I made my decision to return s-off came out of no where by a non dev at least on xda.

So my point is this is a popular phone there is great devs on it although the note 2 is also great and powerful for phone use its to bulky for me .

But to each his own.

I'm used to bad battery with phones cm and so many other roms suffer from horrible drain and me wondering why I flashed this Rom and went off to work when its barely working :banghead:

So this phone with no custom roms and the performance its showing with the amazing screen is a win for me the sd slot sucks but oh well this is to hold me over till s4 :D.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I'd be less concerned about rom and kernel dev support, and more concerned about APP dev support on the DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] kejar31:
This = Truth
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Hey now. You are my sworn enemy and not supposed to agree with me . Ever. ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] kejar31:
hahahahahahahahah
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
You sound a bit bitter with the sarcasm towards his recommendation.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Not even remotely. I am serious. I wouldn't put a phablet to my ear. I also see no inherent advantage to going to a larger screen only to lower resolution.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
You're missing the point. Throwing sarcasm at a recommendation for someone else looks salty.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Well, first of all, he returned his DNA. It wasn't just a suggestion. Second, the thread is asking if people are returning for the Note 2. So in response to him going to the Note 2, I gave my opinions on the matter.

Lastly, constantly calling a dude salty is a little unnerving. :eek:
[HTC Droid DNA] th0r615:
As much as I hate to say it... I think I'm going to jump to the Note 2. I went and played with one for about 30min at an AT&T store. Both phones are great and each have their Pro's and Con's and my decision is not based on one being "better" (which is subjective anyway) but all the perceived shortcomings I thought the Note 2 had turned out to be either nonexistent or minimal.

Samsung build quality that drove me crazy with my Galaxy Nexus. The Note 2 felt solid and on par with the DNA.

I thought the S-Pen was a gimmick, I was wrong. I really enjoyed it.

The 720p vs 1080p battle was not a battle at all. My eyes could not tell a difference in PPI unless I really really tired and even then it was marginal. The colors on the Note were much better then my Galaxy Nexus but still fell short of the DNA.

The bottom line comes down to 2 things for me. The battery and 3rd party/Dev support.

I'm not saying the DNA has bad battery life, it doesn't. I've been pleasantly surprised with its lasting power and after a full day of "normal" use (for me) I was reaching for my charger around dinner time. (3 or 4 hours more then my Galaxy Nexus w/extended battery) But with that monstrous battery the Note 2 has... I shouldn't even have to worry or watch my usage on days where I need my phone more.

And last but not least it comes down to 3rd party and developer support. This isn't really a fault of the phones themselves but rather the manufacturers and their strategies. The Note 2 is available world wide and on the Big 4 here in the States which means accessories will be far more widespread then the NDA/Butterfly J/DLX. And even then there are small differences between HTC's devices will likely break compatibility between cases and other accessories.

I know the DNA community has hit the ground running with unlocking coming 3(?) days after release and it will likely have a good developer base but I can't help but be cautious given recent Verizon HTC phones' tract record.

/In before the yelling and screaming at me for picking the rival phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
If the Note II wasn't so huge, and had better build quality (not slippery plastic) It would be a no-brainer for me. I'm actually thinking about switching to the N4 and using it for 4-5 months until all the other options are out (SGS4, Asus Padfone 2, Sony Odin, Etc..). I am having a really hard time with the idea of being on a 2 year contract when every phone ever made is dated after a year. I started a discussion in the N4 forum here when I was trying to decide between my DNA and a N4. Still not totally sure.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
I appreciate it actually, it gives more of an unbiased opinion.

I'm in a very similar boat, I'll probably head over to the AT&T store tonight and check it out.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
What could salty mean to you that's unnerving?

:confused:

But regardless, your opinion was laced with sarcasm. But this won't go anywhere lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] lilmoney30:
I was actually going to get the Note 2 before I knew anything about the DNA. I was fine with the DNA until I saw this on YouTube last night. I do a lot of photo editing on the go as well as school work , the DNA may go back tomorrow.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?featur...ch?v=9nh2NSLgaII&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent using xda premium
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Huh.

that was very interesting.
[HTC Droid DNA] eighty1:
I know you can share but you can't share via text from the pulldown, at least I can't. I have to select the photo then go into gallery and select the screenshot in order to text it to someone. I can share thru Instagram and other apps without having to go into gallery selecting the photo. I use Volume down and power to screenshot.
[HTC Droid DNA] Maedhros:
The note 2 is a great device. Much better then the North American GS3.

However, if your like me and you can't live without sense then the DNA is a no brainier -the Note 2, despite all its fancy S-pen tricks, is no comparison to sense.

I went back to my old Desire HD from my Note 2 :) That outta say something!
[HTC Droid DNA] BennyJr:
Whoa...
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Dude, I've been using my DNA the same. Matter of fact, I've been using Apple Bluetooth trackpad/keyboard with cheapo HDMI adapter since Galaxy Nexus days. It all works out of the box.

External storage works just fine on DNA as well.

Not sure what's so amazing about that video...
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
According to verizon, the note 2 can be charged wirelessly. Have to just buy a different back for it.

charge cycles are from full charge to dead. Can't today's batteries handle around 1000 charge cycles? That's like 2-3 years if charged daily.
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
I didn't think the Note 2 needed a different back. Pretty much any phone can have wireless charging with a fairly expensive back made for it, that's not something special.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
just pointing out that he wouldn't have to return his wireless charging stations...
[HTC Droid DNA] rhettnis:
why exactly cant you do that on the DNA? Also, the apps don't scale very well to that monitor, im guessing the output is the same as the note on the monitor and its just mirrors the display, so its still 1280x720. If that's the case then the DNA should be the obvious choice if this is what you plan to do with your phone with its 1920x1080 resolution, I cant think of any reason aside from maybe storage that you would pick the Note2 over the DNA.