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[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
well, I guess that is more proof that Verizon, not HTC neutered the DNA...

I went and played at a verizon store today. No upgrades available on my acct until february so I have time to decide.

I was actually disappointed in the DNA. Its a sexy device in hand, easily the best looking device on verizon right now. But you can tell they limited the brightness on the screen. I'm guessing for battery saving. I compared the Hobbit trailer on 4k on it and my Rezound and my Rezound was a lot brighter on that and other videos played side by side. I always play my videos on full brightness, since I usually can be plugged in. Very disappointed.

On to the Note 2. Display is definitely brighter than the DNA, but the whites were yellowed and it wasn't quite as crisp. I have always liked a stylus (though I think the one in store was damaged, didn't always respond properly), mainly due to it not getting fingerprints on the display. It is a big phablet, but I use BT more often than not so I think I will be ok with it. The thing that suprised me is reception. It was matching my Rezound in reception numbers under about phone. Maybe adrenalyne can chime in here as to real world use.

Bottom line, I think the DNA just has too many compromises for me. I am going to start with the note 2 and use the DNA as a fall back plan in case I just dont like it. I really wish Samsung would upgrade the look of their plastics...
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
Did you check the brightness setting? maybe it was lowered or on auto but there is a chance that the screen is lees bright than the rezound
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
all the phones in store were set to max brightness. I did check. It is quite a bit lower than my rezound, unfortunately.
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
interesting...

I guess we won't know for the butterfly till I get my hands on it.

probably gonna be the same though

edit: just checked, it's 500 nits so it's lower than the rezound, the one x and a whole bunch of other smartphones

it's the pixel density, pixels are closer together so sunlight legibility is higher (in theory) ergo it doesn't a display as bright ergo less power consumption
[HTC Droid DNA] azndan2:
Just leave
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
just leave him be, we should open a thread for him and tomatoes8 only, though they probably are the same guy so it's difficult to troll and flame yourself, it takes a special effort lol

when he starts to make constructive comments or usefull then we shall hear again!!
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Lol

Okay I'm up. Now I'm tomatoes8? That's awesome.

Yeah seriously. He graced me with his presence and opinion and I thanked him for it.

No one is pointing out what this has to do with ANYTHING I've said. From the beginning my point was he had no proof that Samsung couldn't create the battery. I never said anything about battery life. My request was to show me which post of mine was he refuting. And the mighty cosigner jumped in saying irrelevant things I never talked about. Yet I'm trolling.

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If you got a problem with seeing somebody post, use the ignore function.

Or you could... Idk... Stop reading my posts. o_O

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And you got that connection because you think I'd make another account for the sake of arguing back and forth when I'm fine with this one.

This is a forum.. If you don't like what someone says or you can't handle seeing their opinions for whatever reason.. Put them on ignore. I'll post where I please.

In here forming

About something I didn't say.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
yeah, but even in the store, for videos, it just didn't seem bright enough. I believe its strictly a battery management reason.

I also played with the Razr Maxx HD, lumia 822, HTC 8x.

Razr screen was bad, everything was pixelated.

Lumia is one fat hog of a phone, thicker than even my rezound and its got a more square screen. Must be 4:3 like that LG phablet, just not as big.

The 8x is intriguing. Its honestly a great looking phone, but it also suffers from a lack of storage without a sd card slot (makes no sense when windows phone 8 supports it). Screen was really bright on it.
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
The 8x has the one x screen but smaller, the only downside is that when I put the 8x next to my old(broken) hd2 it feels and looks HUGE, great phone but bare in mind they're both 4.3"
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
There are three displays on the OG One X's. The Teg3 version uses panels from Sharp and AUO. The XL uses Sony panels exclusively. The brightness was the same for all three. The One X+ and 8X are using an unknown different panel vendor and they are both less bright than the OG One X's.

The unknown vendor's code is 0x944a03 (AUO=0x4940014, Sharp=0x294000f, Sony=0x181033). If you guys want to see which of the four vendors makes the DNA display follow the instructions below. By the reduction in brightness I'm guessing it's the new panel vendor HTC's using for the One X+ and 8X.

• Re-start your device two times back-to-back to completely clear its log files

• Open ES File Explorer or Astro

• Go to the top-most directory

• Initiate a search for 'last_kmsg'

• Open this file in a text editor (on your phone or e-mail it to yourself and open it on your computer)

• Search for 'panel_id' and / or 'panel_vendor'

• The code associated should be one of the four panel vendors shown above.
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
Maybe...

If I remember correct japan displays is a collaboration among Sony Toshiba and either sharp or hitachi, the first company that announced 441ppi I think was either toshiba or sharp, so it's probably one of those. More probable is sharp cause of the different brightness, and regarding the 8x I JUST held it in my hands cause a friend that has it just walked in the shop a couple of hours ago, and despite being BEAUTIFUL!!! it is less bright than my Tegra One X.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
I used to have AT&T One X on a launch day and returned it within 30days, and that thing was too bright. I had to run it at 50% otherwise it would actually hurt my eyes.

DNA's brightness at 100% is close to perfection for my eyes.

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I tried searching for the "last_ksmg" couldn't find it. Do I have to be rooted?
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the easiest way to do it.

- Download ES Explorer if you don't have it installed

- Go in to its settings and under "Root settings" select "Up to Root."

- At the ES home screen hit "Up" until just "/" is showing in the directory bar

- Once that's done do a search for the file with "Current path" selected.

- It'll take a while for the search to complete but when it's done you should see the file. It's easiest to select "Share" and e-mail it to yourself and use a desktop app to find the panel files because the text file's long and jumbled.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Got it. A lot of stuff here:

[ 1.775614] c0 1 Registering the dns_resolver key type

[ 1.776041] c0 1 [DISP] monarudo_panel_init panel ID = PANEL_ID_DLX_SHARP_RENESAS

[ 1.776041] c0 1 [DISP] monarudo_panel_init

[ 1.776316] c0 1 setting pdata->panel_info.fb_num to 3. type: 8

[ 1.776651] c0 1 mdp4_dsi_vsync_init: ndx=0

[ 1.788982] c0 1 FrameBuffer[0] 1080x1920 size=25067520 bytes is registered successfully!

[ 1.789439] c0 1 [DISP] monarudo_lcd_probe

[ 1.791362] c0 1 VFP support v0.3: implementor 51 architecture 64 part 6f variant 0 rev 2
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
The 8x I played with seemed to have a pretty bright display, much brighter than the DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] TickleMeHomo69:
No way would I switch for the Note II because look what I got!
[HTC Droid DNA] Danzoman:
Uhh didgets for the supporting role for Game of Thrones?
[HTC Droid DNA] TickleMeHomo69:
No JB aosp.
[HTC Droid DNA] xisaacbx:
Kind of strange is that on att? Their are no roms or ports of aosp of the note 2 for Verizon just yet. From what I hear u guys can't even use the S-pen with aosp so what's the point of having the note. No way am I moving from the DNA to the note 2 the screen is to nice on the dna. when is the note 2 getting a 1080p screen? Oh yeah that's right it won't.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
i agree. i have both dna and note II. there is like no development for the note. everybody bragging on the note and spen and memory and battery blah blah blah when i use the note i miss the screen on dna asap! the screen is just bad. the ppi and resolution is worse than the original note how does that make sense? samsung needs to step it up if they want to make a "flagship device" people saying the screens arent that different between the note and dna are high. side by side your mind is blown on the dna. the icons on the note are pixelated and dna is sharp as sharp can be. note colors look fake and dna is like looking at real deal
[HTC Droid DNA] Hunt3r.j2:
Why even compare the two, the Note is for people that have hands the size of NBA players.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Lol I have big hands and rather have DNA! ;)

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] pg_ice:
LOL

with 267 ppi?

are you using microscope?

smells fanboiii long way
[HTC Droid DNA] nkgangew:
This is well said. The things you say are compromises to many, but to me and to many others they aren't compromises. The lower pixel densiry, yellowish tint, and losing the cool S pen software when running AOSP are compromises to me, but may not be for you and many others. Gaming incompatibilities are compromises for Adrynalyne, but not for me. This all depends on the person. You sound like you're making a good choice by going for the Note 2 and I'm making a gold choice by sticking with the DNA. They're both completely different devices, but both are awesome. I don't understand why some people are warring against each other over which is better. Its all about personal priorities. Both phones are better than the GS3, and that's all that matters lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] Hunt3r.j2:
267 ppi is pretty low. Even my crappy eyes can still see pixels at that density with the right contrast. Even at the Rezound's 342 ppi, I could easily spot a dead pixel.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
A little exagerated, no? Both for the "goodness" of the DNA's display and the "awfulness" of the Note's. Keeping in mind that the DNA's display is less than 1/3 of an inch larger than the One X's and has less brightness and contrast, it's biggest differentiator is 440PPI vs. 312PPI.

Here's what Anand said about the DNA's display...

What I will say is that the display is easy on the eyes and offers such a glut of pixels that no amount of squinting allowed me to discern. Viewing angles seemed good, with no distortion noted, and colors were bright without being oversaturated. So, at first glance, a somewhat expected excellent for the display. Here’s the thing: do we want a 1080p 5” display?

At this pixel density, we would be approaching an angular subtense of two thirds of a degree. That's well below the human ability to discern at twelve inches.

So is the likely battery hit worth the improved pixel density? We'll have to wait and see.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6455/how-to-build-a-5inch-phone-htc-droid-dna-handson​

And here's what he said about the Note's...

Going with a PenTile RGBG layout at this size would not be desirable, instead

the [new] “S Stripe” layout runs with subpixels small enough that I can’t see them. It’s tempting to look at the 1280x800 of the Note and the 1280x720 of the Note 2 and assume it’s lower resolution, when in fact the Note 2 has more subpixels (2.05 MP vs 2.76 MP) and in spite of the size increase stays around the magical 1 arcminute subtense (1.073 arcminutes on Note 2).

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The Note 2’s brightness unfortunately isn’t that high, but like always Samsung makes up for it with huge contrast from the black subpixels being almost entirely dark.

I have a feeling this is still being very conservative for the panel for battery life concerns and to minimize both aging effects and burn-in.

Our target is sRGB, as Android doesn’t have a CMS, and the Galaxy Note 2 doesn’t stop the trend of SAMOLED having a gamut much larger than sRGB. At the same time however things could be much worse.

I also measured the Galaxy Note 2 display at maximum brightness with Francois who said much the same thing - it isn’t alltogether bad among SAMOLED displays.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6386/samsung-galaxy-note-2-review-t-mobile-/8​

So it comes down to extra pixels you can't see on the DNA vs. the typical AMOLED trade-offs of color accuracy and brightness in exchange for limitless contrast. Either way, both are excellent displays for their unique purposes.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
Either your legally blind or some Samsung fanboy trolling in the DNA forums because it's the only device that is actually better than your precious note 2.

The DNA is the first device that I can actually not see pixels, and I've used many devi es with densities far greater than the absymal density the note has.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Anand didn't write that, that was Jason. And he never said that having extra pixels is bad. He said "we'll have to wait and see" It's not a review, it was a hands on at the NYC event. Brian is reviewing it so you might wanna wait for the review.

What he DID say is that "viewing angles seem good, with no distortion noted, and colors were bright without being oversaturated."

This is EXACTLY what I'm expecting from a world class panel. Not a bluish or yellowish uncalibrated SAMOLED with oversaturated colors and 200 nits display.

Just my 2c...
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
You're taking what was said (by whoever said it) out of context. The "wait and see" is questioning whether a battery hit is worth a bunch of extra pixels that no (human) can see.

From a sharpness perspective it comes down to angular subtense. 1.0 is ideal and the DNA's display is overkill at 0.66 (mathematically calculated, no need for a review) and the N2's is 1.073 which is less than a tenth of a percent off. So unless people here are using something other than their eyes to measure sharpness the differences aren't that great holding the devices 12" away which is pretty normal.

Too bad more people don't feel the same way. If they did HTC would have sold 30MM One X's like Samsung’s sold SGS3’s vs. teetering on the financial cliff. I bought the One X over the SGS3 because of the better display because I viewed the phones as similar enough. I bought the N2 because of its features and lack of limitations (battery, storage) in spite of its display not being as good as the new LCD2/3 displays HTC's using. The OG One X's had the best displays in the industry with every reviewer giving them accolades and yet they still flopped (HTC continued to lose market share after they went on sale). HTC can't survive on killer displays alone especially when they source them from third parties and any of their competitors can offer literally the same display. If HTC offered a 5.5” phablet with an inductive LCD3 display and inking I’d be the first in line to buy it. But they don’t.
[HTC Droid DNA] nycdarkness:
I own a note 2 and a dna. The display on the DNA is better, its very noticeable. Viewing angles in reality is not a huge deal. Most of us don't look at our phones from an extreme angle all day. The note 2 has a great display as well, while the dna's display is more detailed and more "realistic" it's does not make it a better phone than the note 2. There is really no better between these two phones, it's more of what your looking for and what you expect from your phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] Hunt3r.j2:
Yes, now explain to me how it is incredibly easy for me to still spot a dead pixel on a display that is supposed to have pixels too small to spot in theory.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
I'm buying my phones because I appreciate attention to details when it comes to design, and especially cutting edge technology I'm solely talking about my personal smartphone display preference. Purely from technical standpoint. I'm not interested in financial analysis of what went wrong with HTC. All I can do is buy their phones and support them. Clearly, their advertising and execution have been subpar. That doesn't mean that their phones aren't top of the line in terms of just about everything.

I've had AT&T's One X and was actually too bright for my taste, had to turn it down pretty much all the time. GN and SGS3's screens didn't have too much going on except being large and the fact that they've had an infinite contrast. Blue tint, zero calibration, terrible viewing angle, pure thrash in my book. But people loved it. And it's not like AMOLED can't be properly calibrated. Just look at HTC ONE S.

Note 2's screen although better than it's predecessor is still poorly calibrated. Almost like Samsung simply doesn't have anyone responsible for it. Also 5.5" form factor is simply comical for my taste, hands, and especially phone calls.

At the end of the day, I respect the fact that Note 2 might be someone else's device of choice.
[HTC Droid DNA] Merdoc81:
I don't know when the last time was you were on HTCs website but the DNA is in fact the first phone on their site. There's always gonna be a new phone every few months thats how it works, I dont see why youre worried about that if the incredible 1 was your last phone The DNA is a 1,000 times better with its 5th generation snapdragon s4 pro chipset including the adreno 320 GPU and 2GB of DDR2 ram. Look up benchmarks, the s4 pro is the fasted android powered mobile cpu out there right now. It beats the Exynos 4 chipset considerably which powers the Samsung Note 2. Qualcomes architecture is better, its like comparing Intel to AMD. Also I don't think we'll see a better one from HTC for Verizon in quite a while, maybe a more entry level one in the spring but not this cutting edge considering the last high end cutting edge phone HTC came out with for Verizon was the Rezound and that was in November of 2011.
[HTC Droid DNA] lokenok:
samsung vs htc war.. going on .. personally i like htc but havent own any of them so go htc!
[HTC Droid DNA] azndan2:
There is no war going on, only fanboys spouting groundless opinions when they have not used a device they are criticizing.
[HTC Droid DNA] misterzeno:
Nothing better than phone nerds arguing about their preference.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
That 200nit display was brighter side by side than the DNA. It really couldn't match my Rezound, the added brightness just makes the screen look better.

umm, of course if you have a white pixel in a sea of black ones and look long enough you can spot a dead pixel. Doesn't mean you can see pixels when the screen is on and you are using your phone.

Its the best. Kinda like a Sprint user coming over to the Verizon forum. Probably wants to see some real speed test results! :p
[HTC Droid DNA] misterzeno:
There are no speed tests here, just epeen arguments over pixels. Basically its my preference> your preference.
[HTC Droid DNA] Haloman800:
I disagree completely.. the only thing the DNA has that is superior is the screen resolution, you could argue the processor is a little bit faster but at this point it's so fast there's nothing either phone can't run.

The Note 2 has a much bigger battery, storage up to 80GB compared to the 16 in the DNA (which in reality gives you just a measly 10), seriously what's the point of a 1080p screen if you can't even load a couple HD movies and still expect to have more than 3 apps installed.

The Note 2 also has the S-pen, multi-app feature, screen recording, call recording (with mod), etc.

I was worried about the build quality but it really feels premium, you can't even tell it's plastic, and I'm adding a case anyway for kickstand functionality so it's not an issue at all.

Wireless charging looks nice but the dock is expensive and you can already buy a back cover/dock to give the Note the same functionality.

I know a lot of people disagree with me, seeing as what forum this is on, but I had the choice & the Note 2 was the clear winner, that's my perspective, to each their own.
[HTC Droid DNA] chrisjm00:
This boggles my mind. Do you like the Note 2? Yes? Then buy it and be happy. Do you like the DNA? Yes? Then buy it and be happy.

All this arguing over which phone is better really is baseless. I think my DNA is better because it fits MY tastes and needs. The Note 2 does the same for someone else. More power to them. There are bigger things in this world to worry about than trying to force other people to like and want your device. I like my DNA, I am happy with it and that's all I care about. It is all your opinion, enjoy what you bought and go about your day.
[HTC Droid DNA] odesskiy:
Seems like a no-brainer, right? Unfortunately common sense is not so common anymore...
[HTC Droid DNA] Ndaoud360:
They both have quad core but DNA owns in benchmark and 1080p you can see a difference a bit well me for me I can. Also people saying that you can't even load a couple movies on it to even use the 1080p. Who actually keeps movies on their phone? Me I do only on long road trips, bus rides or something and then after I delete it. Streaming is the way to go with movies anyway unless your on a limited plan. You can also buy a usb to phone plug for extra movie storage. Battery has no complaint for me because if you can't go a whole day with this phone's battery then ok but most people can including me.

BUT STILL if you like the Note 2 get it if not then DNA but just don't complain saying one is really bad or weak their both good phones.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Agreed I have both and use both daily the note screen is poor for the price tag it's at and the note people say ppi doesn't matter then why is Samsung planning the s4 with a 440+ ppi 1080p screen???????? Answer that for me......

I'm in no regard saying the note sucks. I have one for crying out loud but the screen is awful. But s pen is overrated and the screen is awful. And for having such a large battery and weaker screen the battery isn't that much better than my DNA.

Not an iPhone.....