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[HTC Droid DNA] Danzoman:
If you exchange a phone at vzw do you have to go through setting up your contract and plan again? Or is it like a SIM swap? I ask because I lucked out retaining unlimited data (please don't ask too long story) and don't want to risk losing my plan because they explicitly said DO NOT EXPECT THIS EVER again. I'm happy with the DNA but weighing my options. Thanks.

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[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Samsung's mobile division generated more revenue in Q3 than HTC and Motorola combined will make all year. We on XDA can dive in to the minutia of why one device is better than the other but, in the real world, the one the analysts watch, the only thing that matters is sales. And VZW doesn't sell enough devices to save either Motorola or HTC no matter how strong or successful their partnerships are. You'll notice in the chart LG, Motorola, and HTC, makers of Android phones, all last market share last quarter while having new flagship devices to sell.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Good marketing can sell ice to Eskimos and polished turds as jewels. That isn't really representative of quality and groundbreaking features. I thought we were discussing shortcomings of devices, not marketing?:confused:
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
Umm, your reply has absolutely nothing to do with adrynalyne's post questioning the radios, antennae situations, build quality and terribly calibrated screens in Samsung phones.
[HTC Droid DNA] nkgangew:
Speaking of marketing, I doubt HTC could afford to do something like sponsor the 2012 Olympic games, like Samsung did with the GS3. In the last 3 days I've had 2 friends cheer to me that they finally got a GS3. HTC will never have the money Samsung has. They can't afford to stand up to Apple and they can't afford to stand up to VZW. But what they did do was make the DNA as thin as VZW wanted by using a 2020 mAh battery that I am able to get 6 hours of screen on time with 15 and a half off the charger (4 hours/16 on LTE) by making the most efficient phone I've ever seen. You want to talk about something remarkable, its having a phone this fast, this big of screen, that many pixels, and still be thin, light and have enough battery power for people to get through the day, minus people who stare at their screen for over 6 hours. That to me stands out. Put the same mAh the note 2 has in the DNA and it would crush the Note 2 in battery life. Anyways, point being is that I believe HTC has done a lot with this phone while having their hands tied financially.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
It does if HTC goes out of business producing a better product that nobody's buying. One of the discussion points has been the likely success of the DNA. My (long winded) editorial sort of answers that in describing the DNA as an evolutionary device features wise, with an industry-leading display, a small(ish) battery, and minimal user accessible storage. The One XL on AT&T used a similar formula and wasn't a successful device. The question left to be answered is whether the DNA replicating that formula on VZW will result in a different outcome. And for people that are going to keep either the N2 or DNA for two years I'd assume that's a good question.
[HTC Droid DNA] barondebxl:
Barry i think you should be a Mod or something, i think you deserve it ( even though i don't always agree with you :D )
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
I pray to God XDA doesn't introduce a "hate" counter to go along with the "likes." Being a mod or RC sucks because you're muzzled. There's no fun in that. ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] barondebxl:
Everything you said is spot on.

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That's true!
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
First time I haven't Collin Powelled through a long post. Good job Barry!

:thumbup:

Gs3
[HTC Droid DNA] acPIZZA:
Returned for note 2 this weekend.

Everything the poster said in the above post is spot on. HTC has some great ideas but always forces a compromise.

For me the deal breaker on the dna was the battery. For a phone with such a nice display, you would think they would ship it with an appropriate size battery so people would be encouraged to look at it.

I really need a phone to last an entire day with significant use, and I just had to curb and alter my usage too much with the dna to stretch it until my drive home from work when I could plug it back in to the car charger. I think I had more charger time than screen on time for the few days I had it.
[HTC Droid DNA] Varucell:
I am kinda in the same boat. It seems if I don't use the phone much sure it gets me through the day but it if I use it much it dies pretty quick. I have had issues app compatibility as well. Kind of a bummer.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
You guys must have poor signal. The dna geta good battery life. Its not one of those phones that if you cant use hardly unless it dies.

You can swing an easy 4-5 hours screen time. That is not bad at all and uncommon with a battery that size and specs included in the Android world.

I still dont feel you should compare it to Note 2...

Dna is a smartphone.

Note 2 is a tablet that you can make calls on. Tablets have big batteries.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Stan
[HTC Droid DNA] Varucell:
Yeah maybe they shouldn't be a compared but when I am buying a phone I compare them because it is between those 2 for me.
[HTC Droid DNA] acPIZZA:
I was only getting about 2 hours screen on time with two email accounts syncing and that was pretty much it. I disabled all I could in settings, and had all of my social applications set to update manually, brightness on auto. I was in areas of solid lte reception (at least 4 bars, getting over 20mbps down) and I still couldn't squeeze any more life out of it. That is about as far as I'm willing to bend regarding trying to save battery. I'm not about to start micro managing a phone (ie manually setting brightness, manually turning off sync and data, manually turning gps off/on etc).

Phone, tablet, phablet, whatever - the note2 goes the distance and let's me play on it as much as I want. It will make it through the work day, the gym, and the night on a charge. Having a device you can use as much as you want and enjoy all day long is more important to me than a 1080p screen.

That's the end of my posts in this forum. I just want to be clear that I am not just posting to begin arguments. I hope I have provided little insight to others that may have been on the fence. I know that for me personally, I had a sick feeling in my gut whenever I would pull my dna out of my pocket. I really WANTED to love that phone, there was just something about it that I knew I wouldn't be happy with it in the long run. In the end it came down to the battery. I am on an unlimited data plan through my business so the storage thing never bothered me, but the battery turned out to be the deal breaker. That sick feeling in my gut went away when I returned it and swapped for the note.

Tldr; its hard to fully enjoy your phone when you're tethered to the wall charger. Other's mileage may vary, may be better or worse than what I experienced, but for me the dna wasn't a good fit.

Signing off.
[HTC Droid DNA] broons:
Not sure what your expecting really. I am a heavy user constantly on my phone. Close to 5 hours screen on time think I can break 5 if I can tweak the settings more and still on stock. I am immensely impressed with the battery so far.
[HTC Droid DNA] cmay227:
I have the same pioneer unit u have and have no problems with bt, both for phone and music works great.

Sorry, didn't quote the post i was replying too. It was about the bt problems with the 7000bt headunit.

Posted from my damn phone!
[HTC Droid DNA] Danzoman:
Yeah I have achieved 5 hrs screen on as well. The battery will probably get better with future software updates as this is a new chip set and kinks are still being wrinkled out.

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[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I was able to pull 3 hours screen time on straight LTE. That was with 2 hours of BT audio streaming and watching a Netflix video, 3 email accounts syncing, twitter, etc. That was far heavier use than what I would normally do on a phone. It was dead in 9.5 hours, but hey I was stress testing it.

Android Police has a completely broken down example, and he saw almost 3.5 with over a day of battery.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...y-as-bad-as-you-think-with-stats-methodology/

There are those around here with 5 hour screen times too.
[HTC Droid DNA] acPIZZA:
I guess battery usage varies from person to person, because it's impossible to get the same usage as someone else. I was nowhere near 5 hours screen on time. I don't think it's a question of getting a lemon phone, because many people are reporting battery life similar to what I experienced. Maybe you just got really good one? Or maybe we just use our devices differently.

Post screens of your battery usage. I'm sure a lot of people are curious about 5hrs on a dna.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I don't have 5 hours, but I have one of 4.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
With the 2020mAh battery of the device being non-removable, we were quite skeptical about it powering such a powerful hardware and massive screen throughout an entire day. The HTC DROID DNA however, did surprise us pleasantly with its performance in our dedicated battery test. The smartphone managed an endurance rating of 49h, which is more than most of its direct rivals got. The above rating means that you will need to recharge your smartphone every 49 hours if you use it for an hour each of telephony, web browsing, and video playback daily.

We must point out once again that the browser part of the battery test has been conducted over a Wi-Fi network. Should you rely solely on Verizon's LTE infrastructure, you can reasonably expect a dip in your device's longevity - the battery went flat after only about 4 hours of LTE browsing.

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http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_droid_dna-review-853p2.php
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Are you just now realizing that LTE sucks power bad? 4 hours of straight browsing over LTE is not bad. 4 hours of straight browsing isn't realistic anyway imo, unless you are a kid with A LOT of free time.

Also, what signal strength were they seeing? Signal strength plays a big part in how quick LTE eats your battery, lunch, wife, and anything else in the vicinity.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
You are comparing apples to oranges though. None of the LTE tests (sans DNA) are using phones coupled with CDMA. CDMA does not shut down when LTE is being used and uses more battery than GSM. So it makes sense it doesn't do as good as say, the Optimus G, or One X+. ATT's One X cannot be compared either.

For what the DNA is, it does extremely well. Compare it with other CDMA/LTE phones that don't have extremely large batteries like the Note 2 or Razr Maxx.
[HTC Droid DNA] cguella:
The Samsung radios in my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon SUCKED! Since the HTC DNA I have actually been able to make and get great clear phone calls - it is a phone too (remember GN mute mic issue, ****ty reception are now gone), holds LTE in more places and has better signal handoffs. I am not crazy about Sense but I am getting 16-18 hours of battery with 2-4 hours of screen on time. I like the wireless charging. Storage for me not an issue and the screen has been great. Everyone is different in how they use their phones but Samsung is not flawless and I am loving this HTC DNA perfect size and specs FOR ME.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
The famous Samsung Galaxy Nexus radios.......ugh. You are lucky to get 1.5 hours screen time unless your signal is pristine. Then add half an hour, heh.

DNA has great radios. Better in fact, than the Note 2. Of course the Note 2 is leaps and bounds better than Gnex with reception too
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
I've never in my xda life come across a developer that's such a Stan for a device man lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
WTH is a Stan?

Using it context, I assume you are referring to me as a fanboy.

1. Consider the forum name.

2. Consider the blatant fanboyism in other directions in this thread. Despite owning a Note II, I am not a follower.

3. Disprove what I said if you disagree.
[HTC Droid DNA] tehknics:
Stan? Dunno what it means still lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Yeah, not me. I have a neck :D
[HTC Droid DNA] donharden2002:
I left att to get the DNA. Like yourself I'm a fan of sense. I'm not a big verizon fan but I'll survive :)
[HTC Droid DNA] nkgangew:
I think you had a bad battery. I get over 4 hours of screen and 15 hours off the charger all on LTE. The screen on time jumps to 6 hours for me on wifi. The Note 2 is a great phone. And I'm in no way questioning your decision. I just can't replicate the poor battery life your DNA was giving you.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Nvm.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
This is what I found on Urban Dictionary, I'm guessing he means "A crazed and or obsessed fan."

Bles seems to use unfamiliar slang on here a lot, I remember him calling someone salty and nobody really understood what was going on.

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Barry, do you know how well the Note II could be used as a wacom tablet for post processing on a PC? I did a quick search and found this video, but you seem to know a lot about the phone and I was wondering if you had any insight into this. I work in the art industry and wouldnt necessarily use the phone to draw on, but if it can be used as a portable photoshop wacom then it (or the galaxy tab 10.1) would be more interesting.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
My bad. ;)

But that in affect makes things worse if you buy the 11+% battery/11-% display draw argument. Here's a 60 page discussion from the XL forum that was started in April and is still on the front page. Some users claim "fantastic" while others call it "crap." Split the difference and it's "adequate." What does than mean when you tack on simultaneous CDMA/LTE?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1612612

The biggest challenge in battery life discussions are the different ways people use their devices. So one man's "fantastic" truly is someone else's "crap." I bought the Teg3 One X in spite of all the battery *****ing I read and found it to be passable. I did have to use battery boosters pretty frequently though when I was traveling and had wireless chargers both at home and at the office to keep it topped up. I had a loaner S4 SGS3 that I used for about a week on HSPA configured exactly the way my One X was. I got about 20% more battery time using it exactly the same way as the One X and coincidently its battery is 18% larger. I wanted the One X so I was willing to live on the edge with battery life and was fine with it. But I told friends considering the phone it was a concern and since their usage was probably similar to mine that they'd be packing battery boosters too. Some ended up purchasing it; some didn't. We'll know in a couple of weeks where the DNA sits on the "fantastic/crap" scale as more people post their experiences. My guess is it'll end up adequate with lots of debate along the way.

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Way beyond my skill set. I'll find out in the 10.1 forum and PM you.
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
I can honestly say that I have never had that with the One X, of course I was running android revolution and not stock rom, still...

On another point, I'm reading some of the comments here and I just made some of the same arguments on the N2 thread about the DNA lol.

From the looks of it I'm gonna buy the DNA sooner or later (maybe mid-January) the only problem is that HTC might decide to bring a 32/64gb eu version till then or February -March and that will be bad, really bad, on my One X I never used the whole 26gb but I certainly went a little further than the 11gb you get on the DNA, some usb otg doesn't bother me though, we'll see...

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forgot to say I was using the international tegra version of the one X
[HTC Droid DNA] greyhulk:
Why did you do that when you could have just used the DNA unlocked on AT&T? Unless you needed it to be subsidized.

I nearly bought one off-contract just to use on AT&T. I will never go back to Verizon.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Maybe he wanted LTE.
[HTC Droid DNA] greyhulk:
I don't understand HTC's aversion to bigger batteries. It's obvious that they want slimmer/sleeker phones, but it's also obvious that that can be accomplished with bigger batteries today. They have always crippled really good devices with bad battery life (and now memory as well) and their answer to that was to tweak the software to kill apps in memory much more quickly, which does result in better standby life, but also hurts the functionality of the phone.

I have seen several HTC devices come out over the last few years that I really wanted (Sensation comes to mind) until I read the specs and saw how small the battery was. I kept thinking "Why does HTC do this? What do they have against battery life". I was hoping they were finally going to wise up, then the DNA came out.

Does the DNA get decent battery life, given the specs and size of the battery? Yes. But it could have been so much better. They had a chance to make a phone with a badass screen and battery life off the charts and all they would have had to do is make it 1mm thicker. I don't get it.

I actually went into a Verizon store to look at one the other day and hold it. It is very thin and light. However, the screen was very dim. I checked the brightness and Autobrightness was off and the slider was maxed, but it was still very dim. I'm not sure if it was a bad display model, or what, but I hope that's not really what they're all like because it was a huge turnoff for a screen with such nice specs. What good is a 1080p screen if it's not bright enough to see anything?

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Also a possibility. However, I would much rather fall back on AT&T's HSPA+ in non-LTE areas than Verizon's 3G. And he also did state that he hated Verizon, of which I don't blame him.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Samsung had to put out a phablet to put in a big battery, so they haven't really learned the trick of smaller phone, larger battery either.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
That's exactly right.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Is there an article written somewhere saying they had to put a phablet out to do the battery thing or is that a guess?

I mean it looked like they just were going for adding a huge battery to a big device. The note was meant to be a niche product. Unless you two know something.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Do you have an example of any Samsung Android phone has been able to get a huge battery into a small phone?

I didn't say or even insinuate that the Note II was brought out because of a big battery. What I was saying (or trying to say) was that it took a huge phone to fit the big battery.

Samsung hasn't shown any small devices with large batteries.
[HTC Droid DNA] MohJee:
DNA is taller, wider, thicker, and heavier than the S3 yet sports a smaller battery (a non-removable one at that). Just saying.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
2100 vs. 2020. Not really any disparity if you consider they both get similar battery life, yet the DNA is much more powerful.

That 80mah difference maybe accounts for 10 minutes of life, if that.

HTC wasn't trying to compete with Razr Maxx, but instead the likes of the GS3.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Scratch the comment about it being niche or whatever.

Them not having one out meant they couldn't?

Do you have something that supports the first comment you made? And I damn sure didn't say that you said that. What you did say is... They had to bring a phablet out to put in a bigger battery.

Gs3
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Do you have any examples that DON'T support my comment?

Does Samsung have some 5 inch or smaller Android devices hiding somewhere with a 3100mah battery? I think I already know the answer, but please enlighten me.

The only company that has figured this **** out has been Motorola.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
I see.. You don't have an article. You're just assuming. That's all I asked.

:cool:

Gs3
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I see that you weren't up to the challenge to prove me wrong.

Did you really think a company would put out an article stating they could only put a big battery in a big phone?

Derp.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
You're not going to address the question though. Where did YOU get the idea that they CAN'T do it? Because YOU assume they can't? And is that why YOU said they had to put a phablet out to put a bigger battery in?

Those are YOUR words. I asked YOU where'd YOU get the thought from. YOU said that they haven't so they can't. Which is retarded. Lack of proof isn't evidence. I never said they could. I asked if you had proof that they couldn't.

:confused:
[HTC Droid DNA] greyhulk:
Totally discounting the fact that they put a 2100 mah battery in the GS3, vs the 1800 in the HTC One X? It's pretty obvious that they "get" the battery life thing.
[HTC Droid DNA] typeriz:
Also the dna's battery is behind the screen than motherboard placed on top of it. Weird design choice unless the battery is flushed flat behind the screen.i dont see how they could fit a bigger battery
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
m8 seriously?

now you're either trolling/trying to start a flame war

,either trying to **** with his mind

or (no offense) you're ignorant and don't have a clue about what mobile phones exist in the market,

and Samsung or anybody else apart from moto and the 2 maxx devices doesn't not have a non phablet with over 2500mah battery, if you want to support either argument just google them, I have, many-a-times.

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even the galaxy camera has a gs2 battery 1650mah if recall correct, and don't try to tell me that Samsung might announce a phone with 3000+mah that is going to be available next month/February /March. right now there isn't one that someone can go to a store and buy.

Cheers.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Ignorant about what? He said that they're not able to because they haven't. No where have I said they can. I asked him where he got his information from. I didn't say samsung might do anything at all. Are you following the thread or just jumping in to type a little something up?

:confused:
[HTC Droid DNA] crossmission:
so what are you saying, that Samsung can but hasn't done it because ....??????

obviously it's not doable in a manner for a device to actually maximize it's financial profit, technology most definitely can achieve that, we send for a second time a probe to mars, humanity CAN that doesn't mean that you can, of course I haven't read an article somewhere that is actually saying that YOU cannot so I'm able to back my theory, but I'll bet that you can't, sorry that I don't have a NASA specialist backing me on that because I bet on your next post you're gonna pwn Mars as well

(the mars thing is meant as an example obviously lol)
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
And I agree that bigger batteries would be nice. But its proven that slim, sexy devices sell. Apple only puts like 1500 mah batteries in the iphones. Most people can get through the day with today's smartphones. We are the exception, not the rule.

I wonder if the maxx outsells the regular razr on verizon? If not, I would guess that device will go away as well.

except it will be a moot point end of next year when all of verizon will be LTE. I wonder what AT&T's ads will say then? The nation's largest 3g network...

phil @ android central has been to the last couple of HTC invite only events. When he asked them why they don't just make the phone 1mm thicker and put in a bigger battery, he said it didn't go over well. They are very serious about design and style, more so than battery life.

Dude, he's just a troll. That's why xda has an ignore function.
[HTC Droid DNA] another581:
...you sound like a Christian fanatic.