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[HTC Droid DNA] Nyxagamemnon:
Each to his own, but what I don't get is HTC doesn't learn.

Few small modifications and the DNA would be a much better device.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
These Galaxy owners are for some reason compelled to take every opportunity to piss on the DNA, and any counterarguments are biased or subjective
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Not to mention that they are convinced that it's htc's fault for the DNA not having a bigger battery and expandable memory. Verizon told them what they wanted and HTC made it. HTC didnt really have any control other than making the device. And it's still blows pretty much anything else out of the water right now.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Yeah, look what the 1080 screen did to the UI. It made it slow as molasses.

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Install Nova on most phones released in the last year, and it will be fast and smooth. That's not my point, I was talking about Sense specifically.

If I wanted to install Nova as my launcher, I would just buy a phone with the best battery life available, storage space, etc. It wouldn't really matter much as to which manufacturer at that point. It wouldn't be the DNA, I can tell you that much.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
Go you!

It must be an obsession for these guys.
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
Why are you still commenting? Lmao
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen a lot of objective posts on any of the three phones with anyone quoting other than their opinion and arbitrary stats. That's fine but repeating the same subjective statements in chorus doesn't make them any truer as it applies to any of the phones. There are three sites that do extensive standarized testing and have reviews that are typically 8-10 pages long. They are GSMArena, Anandtech, and SweDroid. I consider the results of those tests objective. Fluff sites like Engadget, the Verge, and Android Authority that do a couple of pages and throw in a couple of benchmarks are neither consistent or reliable (IMHO). GSMArena's tested both phones so that's a good place to look for objective comparisons and commentary. The reviews also go in to a ton of detail regarding the features in Sense 4+ and TW UX if anyone's interested in the functional differences.

DNA - http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_droid_dna-review-853.php

N2 - http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii-review-824.php
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
All facts pro and con about these phones have been stated over multiple pages, why do you feel the need to keep going over it ad nauseam? Will you guys feel better if we all dump our DNAs for the Galaxy? Are you guys getting compensated to reply negatively to anyone who says something positive about the DNA? I really can't figure it out at this point after thirty plus pages and you guys keep going on and on when everything that could be said has been said. It's bordering on trolling, seriously. Got a vendetta against HTC?

Really, you guys are just looking obsessive. I've never felt the need to go after a subject incessantly unless I've been slighted. You sound very educated but this obession with putting down this phone makes people take a second look at you objectivity.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
You should read the huge thread about the quality control issues going on with the S3 over in the verizon s3 forum. I posted in there a few times and considered trading in my DNA for an s3 for about an hour or so then came to my senses.

Edit: here's a link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1832035
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
You can find problems about every phone. The S3 is a great phone, it really put Samsung on the map. The N2 carries the torch just as adeptly and I'm sure later iterations of them will be just as good. The DNA is a great phone but there are things I'd like it to have. Every phone has had something missing (sans S3) that would make it perfect, but that's part of marketing and corporate restrictions; holding the bait out just close enough but not too far.
[HTC Droid DNA] uppon2:
I believe that Samsung was put on the map with the SGS 1
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
For sure. Really the only reason I didn't go with the s3 was because EVERYONE had it, it was essentially the same as getting an iphone as far as how common it is goes. Had to be different and get something else. I agree that the DNA could have some better features to it but I don't put a lot of music on my phone anyway so space is a non issue.
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
For all the wrong reasons, LOL. That phone was a disaster for Sammy with it's lack of updates (in the dev community at least). I think starting with S2, Sammy started making all the right moves by pushing out updates faster and making some of their stuff open source
[HTC Droid DNA] uppon2:
It still all started from the SGS 1. They have just kept refining it and listening to the users (kinda) and following community development (kinda)
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
You should read these several hundred pages of posts (your link was 11 pages) from people having Wi-Fi and QC issues with the One X that sold probably in about a tenth the volume of the SGS3. HTC and Samsung have both had more than their fair share of issues (Sensation antenna-gate/SGS1 borked GPS). If history predicts the future no one should buy either the DNA or N2. So far, the DNA and N2 both seem fairly solid.

344 pages on the HTC acknowledged Wi-Fi issue...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1688538

60 pages on QC issues with 1/3 of devices reported as having one...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1585082
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Yeah I was reading about the ONE-X which is why I didn't go with it. My post was mainly poking fun at you guys lol
[HTC Droid DNA] Lykarsis:
I love the nexus 4. But I love Verizon's network coverage more. Besides, the screen on this thing is amazing for everything I use it for. I don't game much on my phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] darwinosx:
mssacrer.garr

Bias is unreasoned judgement or prejudice. He gives very good reasons for his preferences. Not biased at all from what I read and certainly not highly biased. He did ding the Note for build quality which would not have happened if he was "highly biased".

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Yep. Verizon wants minimal built in storage and no SD card so more data is used. That's why I paid full price for my iPhone 5 and now have unlimited LTE on Verizon. HTC is in no position to argue with any carrier given their devastating losses in making Android devices. Too bad Apple is the only company that dictates terms to the carriers regarding bloatware, logos, spyware, etc.

It's a shame since I have always preferred HTC's build quality over Samsung. In fact I really dislike Samsung devices cheap plasticky feel. At least they put one of their best screens on the Note 2 unlike the S3.

I thought of the Note 2 size as silly when the first Note came out and the pen on the Note 2 as a gimmick. Starting to rethink that and may get a Note 2 since I usually have both an iPhone and an Android phone.

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It lags. When UI elements that are part of the UI/OS are slow thats lag. Compounded in this case by Sense and bloatware.

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$100 more over the life of a phone is irrelevant. Service costs much more than the phone. Also some deals have been showing up from time to time on the Note 2.

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Which the human eye cannot detect over much lower ppi.
[HTC Droid DNA] fchowd0696:
To add insult to injury the Note 2 just received official Cm 10.1 nightlies.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
To add even more insult to injury is the M7 will be out in a little over 2 months running Sense 5 out of the box, larger storage capacity, larger battery, better camera, better cpu, etc. Basically what the DNA should have been imo.

If I still owned the DNA, I know I would be pissed.
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
I'm not sure what's more annoying. The fact that HTC is releasing a phone that is "basically what the DNA should have been" a few months after the DNA released or the fact that you are always on the DNA forums about how happy you are that you don't have a DNA.

Actually, I do know what's more annoying. You.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
No big deal. I had that on my Droid4, should I switch back to it because of that?
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Regardless of me, the M7 has to be annoying right? It reminds me of the RAZR to RAZR Maxx situation but only on a larger scale since it's not just battery that's being upgraded.

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Wow, for once I agree with you! :D
[HTC Droid DNA] keithleyson:
Personally, I think the HTC One X had the best screen on a mobile phone last year but HTC Butterfly owns that title currently.
[HTC Droid DNA] vdChild:
Basically 4-6 months a better phone comes out? You can't be serious!!!! I've met heard of anything like that in the tech industry! There is always something better around the corner of your willing to wait... Help the m7 hasn't even been officially announced yet...
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
To be honest i'm really not annoyed. I knew the M7 was on the way when I bought my DNA.

If it's that much better I will buy it full retail just like I did with the DNA... but to be "annoyed" because new tech comes out? No.
[HTC Droid DNA] dbdynsty25:
Not even to mention the fact that I seriously doubt that Verizon carries it, even tho reports are to the contrary. They didn't have any One X series phones, so not sure what makes everyone so sure that this M7 will come to big red when they have a similarly spec'd DNA already in their portfolio. Maybe it's just me, but I'm betting Verizon doesn't carry it in which case we can all be perfectly happy with our DNAs.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
Were you mad at Samsung when the came out with the note 2 not long after the s3 came out, oh you weren't, well what's different here.

I am fine with 16 gigs of storage and am happy with 4-6 hours of on screen time.

So no, I'm not mad that HTC is coming out with a better phone months after the DNA came out. Just means I can get my next phone sooner than all the people who get a m7
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
This happens all the time. Its technology welcome to it...
[HTC Droid DNA] fchowd0696:
except the DNA and Note 2 are at similar levels in terms of processing power and screen and official cm support puts the Note 2 over the top. I just have no idea why HTC can't be like Samsung when it comes to the bootloader and hack-ability. HTC, do you see any downfall to Samsung for allowing their devices to be easily unlocked?
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
I see wizeguy is turning this thread into a trollfest as well. Does he ever stop? Unless the m7 is groundbreaking (which it really isnt), I see no reason to switch from the DNA.

Sent from my SuperCharged DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
I've always loved AOKP and Liquidsmooth, so I had doubts about these sense-based roms. After trying them out they are just as good, so I'm not missing much of anything. And having official CM support is nice but not holy grail. There are great developers out there who port it over to other devices just as well.
[HTC Droid DNA] curly9:
To have a future proof phone you have to have a device that out does phones in every aspect or hang with them which this phone should and will eventually get sense 5 even if it takes a while but no matter how much a phone is good now will be trampled on by a diffent companies phone or even the same. Some people don't understand that phones will always be dated soon after their release
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
It's funny how people interpret troll. If I had glowing things to say about it, I wouldn't be a troll right? People often associate negative opinions and trolling together.

Here's the bottom line... I didn't hate the DNA. I loved the screen and I like certain things about Sense better than Touchwiz. At the end of the day, it wasn't the device for me. If it's the device for you then great, that's all that matters!
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
Then why do you constantly browse the DNA forums and bash it every chance you get.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
Nevermind.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Bash? I give my opinions just like you do. Because mine are different than yours, I'm labeled a troll and a basher.

I owned the phone and want to try and help. If I can explain a con, it might save a possible buyer a lot of headache. They already get all of the pros from you guys. And I would like to think I won't be as biased in my opinions compared to someone who still owns the phone.

If you don't agree with my posts, just ignore them or don't reply. Who is forcing you to reply other than yourself?
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
Dude if you are spending as much time as you clearly are in a forum for a phone you DONT have giving your almost entirely negative opinions that is like the Webster dictionary definition of trolling.

If you really don't think you are trolling I suggest you consult a neurologist and invest in a shrink.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
What is it called when you stalk someone's posts and reply to them?
[HTC Droid DNA] vdChild:
Trollfeeding... But he's right, and as far as you explain cons and giving your opinion you've "done your job". Now do the rest of us that enjoy this phone a favor and move on.
[HTC Droid DNA] deathrow1992:
Woah, why does it say you posted this in 1969 lol!
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
He is on a crusade to ensure everyone knows his opinion about this phone. Helpful with a few posts, OCD when you do it ad nauseam.

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Wizeguy was known for trolling back then?
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
That's the saddest part dude. I look at XDA once or twice a day generally the dev portions for new kernels or ROMs and occasionally the general thread.

The fact that even then I've seen tons of your posts? I am truly sorry for you.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
I guess I am on XDA too often while I'm nursing this shoulder/neck injury. :D

Anyhow, carry on. Glad you guys like the phone. I'm interested to see how the M7 pans out.
[HTC Droid DNA] FalloutKungFuJesus:
Let it be clear that I have never used the DNA, so I have nothing to say in that regard. OTOH, after having the International GSM Note 2 for 2 months and just having got a Nexus 4 last week, I think I'm going to return/sell the Nexus 4. The screen, while clear, has drab colors and is not great to view in dark conditions. The software is very vanilla compared to the Note 2, and doing some things on the Note 2 is just SO much easier than doing them on the Nexus 4. The stock camera on the Nexus 4 is not good, and the UI for it is horrible. If I wanted to look at a photo I just took on my Nexus 4, I'd have to exit out of the camera app and go into the gallery app to do so; on my Note 2, I just click the thumbnail of the pic in the lower left corner of the camera app to look at it.The outside of the Note 2 isn't the prettiest, but I can cover that with a case (I use an Otterbox Commuter case in Glacier White to go with my Ceramic White Note 2).

In addition, I cannot tolerate the thought of not being able to use an SD card or easily change out the battery. I have a 64 GB SD card in my Note 2 for a combined storage amount of 80GB; with the Nexus I would be stuck with a paltry 16GB. The lack of LTE on the Note 2 and Nexus 4 does not bother me; I am on Straight Talk and ST doesn't have LTE anyways. Frankly, I feel no desire to spend an extra $50/month OR be on a 2-year contract in order to have LTE in the first place.

Finally, here are some screenshots of the Antutu benchmarks I ran on both phones; judge for yourself:
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
They should be in the 20k range just like the DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
Maybe the Nexus 4 without throttling but the Note 2 is optimally around the 18,000 range. It makes sense since it's A9 hardware with a weaker GPU -- you can see the N4's big wins are in the GPU department.
[HTC Droid DNA] ballisticn8:
Personally, I really like my DNA. Granted I didnt pay for it or use an upgrade for it but even if I had, this is an amazing device...

In regards to the comments about HTC releasing the M7, well, Samsung should be releasing the s4 in a few months so does this mean that samsung is ripping off anyone and everyone that purchased a note 2 or s3 in the past year? Thats part of tech, better technology is usually only a month or two away.
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
Just so you know... After taking a picture on the nexus you just swipe the screen to the side and it will show you. No need to exit to gallery
[HTC Droid DNA] vdChild:
vdchild short for voodoo child ie Jimi Hendrix ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] themikeyan:
What if the US gs4 launch is in the usual June/July time frame? I don't see 7-8 months of the DNA as an unacceptable lead time over a competing device.

Regardless, knowing the limitations of the device, some of just let enjoy this device whereas some would ridicule us for choosing this over a note 2. That is getting a bit repetitive and retarded IMHO. Then again, same goes for all the fans of the recent devices (n4, note 2, DNA), non users are treated like heretics.

The DNA for me has exceeded what I need in a phone save storage space but Google music makes that more than tolerable. Battery life is 5+ hours of screen on time when I go the day without being near a charger. Not as good as my maxx HD but I didn't expect it to be either
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
I agree with that sentiment. People seem to erroneously conflate announcements with the actual physical launch -- these next-gen devices largely aren't even close to passing through the FCC yet, yet alone hitting the carriers for mass consumption.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
The SGS3 was announced May 3, 2012, and available for purchase on May 29. Current rumors have it set to be announced after MWC at a Samsung "Unpacked" event in the U.S. during March and go on sale in April. Assuming things go as they did with the SGS3/One X, the M7 will be announced at MWC and go on sale a month later in March to glowing reviews. Then, Samsung will announce the SGS4 and ship it three weeks later causing M7 sales to crash.

Sales of the SGS3 are already declining due to its age so it's highly unlikely Samsung will wait a full year to launch the SGS4. Mid-April would be ten months. And the U.S. carriers had no idea how successful the SGS3 would be when it launched and were skeptical about Samsung's dictate that it be sold as a single device without carrier alterations. I would imagine that's changed for the SGS4 which will be the equivalent of a new iPhone launch “buzz” wise and they'll want to be first in line. With the volume they represent, I could see Samsung wanting that too. All based on rumor, speculation, and opinion of course.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ph...ltius-could-debut-as-soon-as-february-1126806
[HTC Droid DNA] themikeyan:
While I do tend to think it will be earlier this year, I still don't see why this would cause purported depression as suggested by others for some of us early DNA adopters. I expect the gs4 to be equal if not better than the m7 and both to be better than my DNA. I likewise expected the gs3 to be better than my galaxy nexus last year.

I don't recall being pissed at Samsung as some have suggested us to be pissed at HTC. Worse yet, I think the gap between gnex and gs3 was more significant than the m7/DNA differences
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
People talk about the DNAs battery being poor but it lasts me through a whole day. While it's always nice to have a bigger battery the timing of my charging is perfect. I use it during the day and charge it when I'm asleep. Even if I don't charge it at night it will last through the middle of the following day. Getting an extra whole day as the Note2 is nice but the DNA is definitely no slouch.

As for the memory, my Droid 3 & 4 had a 32gb sd card but I never came close to using even a quarter of the space. It was mostly filled with backups and extra Rom slots.

Regarding TW v Sense, everyone has their opinion. I didn't see anything on TW that made me say I've got to have it. It just took a little while to figure out how it's organized and I was playing around with it just fine.

What really erks people here is that the same couple of people take every opportunity to put down the DNA. Everything that needs to be said has been said in this huge thread, but for some reason there's a compulsion by some to keep repeating themselves and ensuring their opinion is heard. It's as if they have some vendetta. Maybe they think their formula for phone happiness is the only legitimate one.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
I think a lot of us that are pissed at HTC are so because we want them to succeed. All of their recent devices including the DNA have included stupid design choices that make them less competitive and force compromises on people. A recent article covering the 128GB iPad puts the doubling of memory size at a cost of $10 per increment (EG: 16>32>64>128GB). Why in the name of God then would HTC save $10 by giving the One XL and DNA only 16GB of non-removable storage? Sony somehow got a 2,330 mAh battery in the XZ while giving it an SD card slot and making it thinner than any HTC device ever built. Why then did the One X, One XL, and DNA/Butterfly come with such small batteries? I wouldn't personally be swayed by the difference between a 4.7" (M7) and 5" (SGS4, XZ, LG E940) display but why, with high-end phones seeming to standardize on 5", would HTC go backward from 5" on the DNA to 4.7" on the M7? Asking those questions doesn't mean anyone's not wishing HTC success in the market but until they build devices that don't come with along with questions their future's not going to be any different than their past. And I want them to succeed as much as anyone here.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
I would have that type of concern if I were a shareholder with losts of stock or a manager or boardmember, as a consumer there are other competitors who I could easily jump to.