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[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
Correct, but two charges from 50% count as one charge cycle. I don't think they last that long though, laptop batteries are only rated for around 300-500 (at least MacBook's), and I know the external battery charger I got for my phone is only rated for 500 cycles. The battery life is reduced with each charge cycle though, so after a year who knows what it will be like.
[HTC Droid DNA] Miltos1:
Probably Returning

I'm pretty close to returning my DNA. My "don't like" list seems to be getting longer. Currently, I don't like:

- Connects to my car stereo with bluetooth, but won't do audio for phone calls

- Won't connect to my car stereo with bluetooth for music

- Can barely hear the phone when driving, which is a problem for navigation

- No removable battery

- No SD card slot

- No easier root method (yet)

- No s-off (yet)

Unfortunately the Note 2 is too big for me (and out of my budget) so I'll be going back to my 2.5 year old, original Droid Incredible running CM9 until something better comes out - though with Verizon's phone lineup over the last year that may be never and a day. I've got two extended batteries, so I never have to worry about charging it, and the CM9 bluetooth stack works like a champ with my car stereo and the navigation volume is never a problem. I can only afford $200 every two years to upgrade and I just don't love the DNA enough to justify it. Which sucks, I really wanted to love this phone.

If there was an easier root method and CM was available then perhaps its bluetooth stack would fix my car stereo problems. And maybe there would be a hack to push the speaker volume. But those are all "if", and I can't gamble $200 on that. I could get used to carrying around my charger and/or an external battery pack, but I resent spending $200 on a device and having to pick and choose what I can put on it because of limited storage. I could have lived with the battery and sd card issues if everything else was good, but the rest of the issues have tipped the scales away from the DNA for me.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Ass opposed to the Note 2 which doesn't have any current method. :p I wouldn't put those as reasons to go to the Note II just yet.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
To add to that list:

A few apps are unsupported at the moment (Angry Birds Star Wars, Call of Duty Elite, Xbox Smartglass, and a couple more)

Vibration is very weak

Battery life isn't horrible, but I need more than your average smartphone battery can provide

I wouldn't really count rooting and CM as cons yet, simply because the phone is only a week old and who knows what kind of dev support the DNA or Verizon Note 2 will get.
[HTC Droid DNA] Miltos1:
Sorry. I know this thread is about returning the DNA for the Note 2, but I did mention in my post that I'm NOT going to the Note 2 either - I'm going back to my OG HTC Dinc.
[HTC Droid DNA] cguella:
DNA all the Way that's what I Say

I love this DNA phone. I also have an original Note and can't stand the size of the Note. The DNA is the perfect balance of size and screen for me. I think the only reason people compare them is because they launched together. I would not trade my DNA for a Note 2 because I don't like the size of the Note. If you like that Note size you should get that phablet - but to be clear the DNA is a PHONE and that makes it not a good comparison for the Note. Period.

The DNA has:

- Root and unlocked bootloader (AOKP next? what is the code name for DNA?)

- Great screen

- Awesome processor and 4G LTE

- Radios that BLOW AWAY my Samsung radios form the Galaxy Nexus (I no longer lose signals and I keep and hold clear calls BIG difference)

- Full day battery for me (Avg 16+ hours with MY use more sometimes) although I can easily charge by resting on my LG inductive wireless charger

- A cool tab to cover USB port and keep it clean (Some knock this)

- Verizon (That is my carrier they cover where I travel - GSM not happening for me)

- 2GB RAM

- Build quality A+

- A company that has properly licensed Apple patents so no more work arounds for stupid crap (e.g. bouncy scroll etc.)

DNA does not have:

- Kickstand (Boy I miss those)

- Lots of case choices yet

- 32 or 64GB memory although I still have 9 of the 11 free
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
Every one of those works fine on my DNA, you probably need a different car stereo? I can access the DNA through my stereo to make calls (phonebook, recent, missed, etc), music works great, phone calls and navigation while driving sounds excellent.
[HTC Droid DNA] xisaacbx:
I'm to spoiled with the 1080p screen and build of the DNA. I don't think I can go back to Samsung in till they up there game on build quality. Galaxy note 2 is way to big and coming from the s3 most of the "extras" are gimmicky. I played around with my brothers note 2 and screen quality is like night and day. He later got phone envy dropped att and replaced his note 2 with a DNA. Also that big ugly Verizon branding on the bottom button and back plate looks wrong.
[HTC Droid DNA] Miltos1:
I don't blame the DNA for my car stereo problems, I blame the fact that vendors can use different stacks and the cross/backwards compatibility between stacks and versions sucks. But the fact is that it doesn't work with the DNA and getting a new car stereo is not an option, and CM9 on my HTC Dinc does work with my car stereo. If I l loved everything else about the DNA then I would live with it, but when taken with the other things I don't like it makes me want to return the phone.

Obviously this is all opinion - no right or wrong - so I'm just sharing why the DNA isn't working out for me. I'm psyched that others are loving it because it is a beautiful phone with many strengths. If they release a DNA+ down the line with removable battery and an sd card slot I would stand in line for it. If an easier root and s-off come out then I might consider getting the DNA again. But given what the reality is for me now the CONs of the DNA are outweighing the PROs.
[HTC Droid DNA] nitsuj17:
personally, i happen to like the harder unlock method

i think one click roots, and lack of knowledge of adb and the android sdk is a problem in the android community

and since rooting isnt something is to be taken casually (or shouldnt be) the current method is somewhat refreshing to see...simply in that it makes people stop and think about what they are doing to their devices
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
fyi smartglass works for me no issues. i can screenshot it if you want proof!! used backup from s3
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
That's odd, did they come out with an update over the past few days? When I got my phone last week it said this application is not supported by my device, and wouldn't let me install it.
[HTC Droid DNA] Thrillhouse847:
Well said, I couldn't agree more.

Sent from my HTC6435LVW
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Nope used backup from s3 :)

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
wow, unfortunately, BT standards are still not 100% compatible, the one reason I never bought the BT plug in for my pioneer stereo (150 add on).

Seems to me, if that is your budget, you should be on the CL/Ebay circuit for phones.
[HTC Droid DNA] jjdicecco:
I couldnt have said this better myself. I have had the droid incredible, thunderbolt, rezound, and now this and I feel like this size phone is the perfect size, just hits the threshold before it really starts feeling like a tablet. I have read a lot of reviews and I really dont like to comment a lot because the truth is everything is a matter of opinion. now saying that I feel this phone is great. love it better than all my other phones, from the screen, speed, and battery. As a smart phone user I am already used to not so great battery life, but this phone shocked me (not bad at all) granted I am only comparing it to my other phones. It amazes me how many people get down on phones for the smallest reasons. Just putting my 2 cents in. this phone is awesome and im sure the note 2 is awesome. im sure not one is better than the other.

and just to add sense is def getting better and better. Im sure roms will be out to fit everyones needs
[HTC Droid DNA] zepfloyd:
Wouldn't it be safe to assume that's more of a short term issue, as 1080 becomes the new 'normal' next year?
[HTC Droid DNA] nitsuj17:
perhaps...depends on how short term the issue is

it ll take a big phone or two and tons of market complaints to get the vast majority of app devs to really work hard at supporting 1080p

but who knows, many could start be pro active
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
If by short term, you mean it could take up to 6-12 months for developers to catch up? Yes.

Then we will be on to another device.

On the bright side, I was happy to see Google having already updated Chrome that fixed some issues on the DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] greyhulk:
Every regard, except functional multitasking, battery life, software features (smart stay, pop-up play, S-Pen, split-screen multitasking), expandable memory, and removable battery, right?

HTC's implementation of multitasking kills it for me. After trying to make the One X work twice, I could never deal with my apps closing right away and my browser pages refreshing every time I go back to them.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I must use my phone differently from you then. Multitasking has not changed for me. It works the same as it does on my Gnex.

As for s-pen....I used a tablet (Windows 7) for two years with a capacitive pen. It is a gimmick that wears off really, really quickly. I played with it last night and was not impressed in the least. As for the play video while using another program, etc.....thats going to be very person specific too.

PiP on a large screen TV sucks. The suckage only gets amplified on a 5.5 inch screen. Really, I don't know why people are even comparing it to the Note 2.

One is a phone, one is a phablet. Two entirely different target audiences.

Both the Note 2 and DNA have pluses and minuses.

Get what yo like, and don't rely on others to tell you what is better for you.
[HTC Droid DNA] greyhulk:
See, everyone used to claim the same thing about the One X ("Multitasking works fine for me, it must just be you"), yet I had two of them, a Tegra 3 International version and an S4 and they both had the same issue. Apps would close in the background almost immediately after I left them and web pages would refresh every time I switched back to them when going between tabs. Slacker would stop playing after 2-3 songs every time. Later, I got a Galaxy S3 and it had none of these issues. Everything stays open, web pages don't refresh, and battery life is fine despite this, as is the available memory. The Note 2 works just as well.

On the One X, I couldn't even copy and paste text from one app to the next because the app I was multitasking back to would refresh and lose all of my progress. Taylor at Phonedog.com has a very comprehensive article about this with screenshots. Since the One X+ works exactly the same, I have a hard time believing that the DNA is any different. It's the same OS and the same version of Sense. And there's no way HTC suddenly came to their senses and adjusted the freemem settings.

People vehemently deny that the multitasking is broken and I have to think that it's wishful thinking or that they really just aren't using their phones because I spent quite a bit of time with two One X's trying to convince myself that it was my imagination and there are plenty of forum posts and articles that confirm what I was experiencing.

I'm not a troll or hater. I love the way Sense looks and some of their optimizations. The multitasking ruins it for me. If they would just fix that one thing, I'd happily get another one. But ever since the launch of the One X and One S, this seems to be the way HTC wants it to work and that won't fly with me. If I thought they had fixed it on the DNA, I would have already picked one up and I'm on AT&T, so I'd only be getting HSPA speeds.

Oh, and the S-Pen has much more utility than people give it credit for. It's not a gimmick. It actually gives you functionality that you wouldn't otherwise be able to get on a smartphone. Example: the ability to interact with submenus on websites by hovering over them. It's basically like a mouse. You can preview movies or scrub to a certain spot in the same way. Then there's pop-up note (handy), screenshots that you can annotate, the ability to "cut out" a portion of the screen and place it on the clipboard. That being said, I don't even use my S-Pen that much. I consider it a bonus. To me, the Note 2 is a big phone that has a good implementation of multitasking and that's what I need. People write it off as being too big, but I have no issues with it and I don't have large hands.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I know all about stylus pens. They are most certainly a gimmick except for a certain niche market. The S-pen has half the utility I had on my windows tablet, but I digress.

As for the multitasking, again, I gave you examples of what I did. It is not different than my Gnex that I can tell, so unless Google broke it on that device too (seems unlikely), what do you want me to say? You want me to blindly agree with you and tell you that you are right, when clearly my experience is different?

I can't vouch for the One X, as I never tried it.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
I dont understand why people are assuming the multitasking on the DNA reloads apps or webpages when you switch between them. Have you tested it?! It hasn't happened once to me since owning this phone, maybe it's the 2gb ram or maybe its sense 4+ handling it better. I would still prefer the look of stock multitasking, but the apps reloading is not an issue.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
It actually doesn't. The Note(s) use inductive displays (vs. capacitive) with 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity, a Wacom digitizer, and palm rejection. You can also set the Note to "pen only" and it won't react to the screen if you touch it with your fingers. Handwriting recognition's incredibly good and faster than the keyboard sometimes on a smaller display. Also, because the display senses the pen without having to touch it you can "hover" to perform different functions. Holding the pen at any edge of the display advances or scrolls. Like at the bottom of a web page to see more. Hovering the pen over pics and videos gives you an expanded view without opening them. It does the same thing for e-mails and calendar events. You can also display drop downs without having to hit enter multiple times to get to the content you're looking for. This is from a Note 10.1 but the N2 works the same way.

Here's an inductive vs. capacitive display schematic...

To your point, how useful any of this is is a big YMMV and the cost is a lower res display and quite a bit of additional bulk.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
My tablet did the same thing with a capacitive display, plus had 10-point multitouch. The pen even worked hovering over the display. It may not ahve been inductive but I saw no difference between the two when I used the Note II. As for the rest, this is nothing my tablet couldn't do and more. I'm not sure what you were assuming, but it was a Windows machine with an nTrig digitizer. Later models used Wacom.

Maybe it is because I used it for 2 years and hated it, but I still feel the pen is niche. It is like you said, and a whole YMMV thing. The DNA and Note II are different audiences and shouldn't be compared.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Lenovo used nTrig on their Android tablets. If you're interested, here's a thread in the Note 10.1 forum from converts discussing the (dramatic) differences. Inductive displays (which are expensive to produce) exist for a reason. And without palm rejection no device can be taken seriously as an inking tool.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1847491

I'm not trying to sell you on inking or an inductive display but people that see the pen as a selling point might appreciate knowing the differences in how they are implemented.
[HTC Droid DNA] milan03:
This +100.

If I was attracted to a phablet, needed a freakin stylus and liked SAMOLED blue tint maybe I'd be all over Note 2, but I'd much rather take a phone with the best screen on the planet with it's 1080p res, with the SLCD3 panel actually properly calibrated.

The only down side is the storage, but that's a done deal. Battery life is easily getting me through my workday, it's really the best phone on the market right now.
[HTC Droid DNA] Maedhros:
Can someone confirm this?!?

I regularly use my cell phone (Desire HD) connected to my Cars audio system for making/receiving calls. Is this really not possible on the DNA?

Also, Miltos - if you car supports Bluetooth Mic does it not also have in built GPS? Now a days I thought all cars had built in GPS :laugh:
[HTC Droid DNA] themikeyan:
Works 100% for both bluetooth audio streaming and calls on my mazda.

Mike
[HTC Droid DNA] tehknics:
Same here... 2012 Sonata

Sent from my HTC Droid DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
Same here JVC stereo
[HTC Droid DNA] wolfedude88:
I have seriously been thinking about returning my HTC DNA for a Note 2, just because I would like a little bit better battery life. The DNA isn't bad by any means but I wish it was just a little better for my needs.

I am unsure because I paid outright and don't know if I want to pay anymore and I would definitely miss the screen.
[HTC Droid DNA] cdmoore74:
You will not be disappointed with the battery life in the Note 2. In the same period of time to reach 3% on the Note 2 I would have already been through 3 batteries on my Verizon Nexus. I bought the spare battery and charger thinking that I'm going to have to battery swap but I could have saved my money. I carried 2 spare batteries with my Nexus on the weekends but I got to drop that habit now.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
different radios support different BT stacks, unfortunately they are not all the same.

And no, not all cars have gps yet.
[HTC Droid DNA] tgerbracht:
I might play with a note 2 since I'm still in the two week window, but I'm not going to change.

Love the build quality, oh my God reception compared to Samsung radios (had a Nexus and Vibrant), battery is very workable, about three hours heavy use screen on, and I have faith development will be fine, just give me an aosp option.
[HTC Droid DNA] nkgangew:
Two things: One, the galaxy S 4 (which I thought about waiting for ) doesn't seem to be coming in Q1 anymore after Samsung has run into problems with mass producing the 1080p AMOLED screen. The screen itself should be on display for CES or at least MWC, but the S4 seems to be headed towards a summer launch, unless something unexpected happens.

And 2, yeah, the Note 2 is going to outsell the DNA, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. This is 5 million units worldwide over different carriers. Do you truly believe that the Note 2 will significantly outsell the DNA on VZW? I think that the DNA will out sell the Note 2 on VZW if I had to guess, conisdering many regular smartphone users will pass the note up just based on size. At my VZW, the DNA sold out on release day by 5 PM. The Note 2 isn't selling as much. Obviously demographic has an impact on that, but that's my point. Again, I expect to see sales on Verizon for both phones to be close.

From what I've read, only mods work cross carriers, not roms and kernels. Which is why when we have cross carrier phones, there is a seperate forum for each carrier.

Battery life I don't believe is going to be an issue. This phone is on par with all other phones that aren't using the battery as a staple selling point. I even got 6 hours of on screen time on top of over 15 hours off the charger (posted screenshot and details in a battery life thread. I know we all use our phones differently, and so that 3+ hour phone gamer should stick to the Maxx HD or Note 2).

I definitely agree with you on storage. Although, personally, I just stream Slacker radio. And when I'm going to stream all day off of WiFi, I just cache stations so as to not run up my data. I'm one of the people (the majority OUTSIDE of the rooting community) that just doesn't use much storage.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
When I visited Verizon on Thursday, they certainly werent pimping the Note II at all. Of course the DNA wasn't being pimped either.

I saw a lot of people shaking their head and walking away after seeing the size of the Note II.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Do you blame them? Especially if their in the store to upgrade from an iP4 to the new "bigger" iP5?

But you guys make the DNA sound tiny, it's a big phone too but certainly more manageable than the Note.
[HTC Droid DNA] nkgangew:
There's definitely a smaller footprint difference between the iPhone and DNA than the Note 2 and iPhone. The thing is, people like my wife don't like large phones. My wife hates my Rezound, but she actually likes my DNA becuse of how thin it is. Its a feel thing. Its a taller GS3 footprint wise. Google pics of people holding the note 2 to their heads and people holding the DNA to their heads. Big difference.

But like one guy said on here, he almost never uses his phone as a phone so size doesn't matter to him. But to every day non rooters, they view the Note 2 as the completely different device category its in, and the DNA in the same category as the GS3. Only us SPEC nuts really are comparing the Note 2 and DNA to each other.
[HTC Droid DNA] broons:
Love the idea of the Note, just too big for me. If I was Lebron then it would be great. Let's not forget the $100 price difference on contract, that's going to turn many away. I handled a DNA yesterday and while big it was actually not that cumbersome. The manager of my local wireless zone said he would price match the wire fly price of the DNA as well to keep my business which I thought was cool.

So despite my trepidations of storage and the current unlock/root method think I'm gonna pull the trigger on the DNA. If it doesn't meet my needs I'll use the old lady's upgrade in January and pass her the DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] greyhulk:
No joke. I can't kill the battery in my Note 2, no matter how hard i try. I have been breaking in two spare batteries and it takes me an average of 2 days to run them down far enough to swap. Loving the longevity of this phone, especially given the specs.
[HTC Droid DNA] Miltos1:
I have a Pioneer DEH-P7000BT, which came out around 2007. You'd think the phone support would be a no-brainer, but the phone and head unit will show they are connected, but the audio does not come through at all (neither the caller or my voice). It won't even connect for music streaming. As I said, CM9 does this flawlessly on my HTC Dinc, so it is clearly a bluetooth stack issue and there's nothing I can do about it. And, in all likelihood, I will have the same problem with all new phones at this point, given that the Pioneer is 5 years old and counting. Though again, you'd think the phone connection would be a no-brainer for backwards compatibility.

That said, there are forums all over the place with people discussing bluetooth problems with various stereos and various phones, including the iPhone, so I'm in no way pinning this on the DNA - but it does factor into my decision on returning the phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Samsung certainly doesn't have a perfect track record either, so its easy to make a single company look bad without comparing others. Samsung is notorious for poor reception, build quality, and questionable screen quality on devices.

Also, the DNA battery might be somewhat small, but it is not weak. You need to stop comparing it to monsters that do not speak for the entire smartphone ecosystem. There is nothing weak about a battery that is 2020mah that can run get up to 5-6 hours screen time. That is better than any Verizon device with a similar sized battery on the Android front by far. You don't need groundbreaking features to sell a ton of devices. Take a look at the Razr line. What was so groundbreaking about the GS3?