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[Nexus 10 General] johno86:
Nothing mentioned in the OP should be an issue for anyone who has owned a Nexus device or has minimal knowledge on how to root and use custom roms/kernels.

bee answered your question. It's a very easy thing to accomplish. You can achieve your desired preference in future ROMs and in present ROMs available for the N10.

Are you being serious? If there's anything to gripe about it's the apps that have not been updated to provide the optimal performance for the N10, you'll have to be patient for the community to catch up to the specifications of the N10. They're beyond amazing when they have proper support compared to older tablets. The image quality is definitely noticeable in this case.

Yes the speaker locations are paramount. They should have always been the standard - which they will be now.

When playing movies using MX Player or playing music through Google Music, I have to turn the volume down as it gets too loud so I disagree with the volume being too low.

You honestly have to have hard of hearing to believe that. Why would anyone in a noisy enviroment not use headphones? The device comes with a headphone jack which would make sense to utilize in such enviroments.

For example:

Listening to music on a portable device such as the N10 when you're in a room with other people playing games (causing lots of noise) and then complaining about the volume being too low is being ignorant. Use your headphones.

You're comparing something to nothing. The pogo charger/dock hasn't been released for the N10 yet so resorting to comparing it to the stock charger, which only takes 5½ hours for me to charge from 0% is excellent for a 9000mah battery, is moot and completely nullifies your comparison. You should wait until Samsung/Google releases the pogo charger and/or keyboard dock.

Build quality is superb for the Nexus 10. It really doesn't matter as it's all subjective and differs from individual to individual.

There are alternatives to achieve the desired results.

The only thing that the Infinity would have over the N10 is the microSD expansion slot and maybe the camera, but who takes photos with tablets for art? Congrats.

Screen and screen resolution is inferior

Only has 1GB of ram

An abysmal 224ppi - tablets for that cost should have better ppi for a better picture quality.

Only supports MP3

so on so forth.

Someone who doesn't appreciate the price per power ratio of the N10 doesn't deserve to own one.

Return it and be gone.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Im sorry but you must be high or something. I came from the A500, GTab 10.1, Prime, Infinity then Note 10.1. The only tablet that I would consider going back to which I dont because the N10 is a beast, is the Note 10.1.

The Infinity has lots of problems and we all know what they are. I gladly sacrificed the keyboard dock for the N10 which wil be on craigslist shortly.

If you dont realize what you got there then its best that you do return your N10 and head back to the Infinity/Prime forum.

Oh and the screen... its definitely better then the Infinity in everyway.
[Nexus 10 General] mudsloth:
The Infinity is 0.5mm thinner and 5g lighter. I can't imagine how a human would actually notice that difference.
[Nexus 10 General] rashid11:
Folks,

give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.

Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).

I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.

Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...

Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
[Nexus 10 General] chiccitstix:
I just have one question:

You said USB charging on the Infinity was better. I had the Infinity for a while before I got my N10, and I could never actually get it to charge via USB. I'm still curious as how to actually get it to work.
[Nexus 10 General] Watcher64:
I am wondering how you can even compare things that are clearly OS version and app dependent ??

Flash / Browser , yada yada yada ...

4.2 does not support flash end of story, you have to sideload or use something non-stock, it if you want flash to work.

So when you get 4.2.1 STOCK AOSP on the Infinity then you could actually make a fair comparison.
[Nexus 10 General] johno86:
It makes sense to compare a tablet you own to the N10, but to go as far as saying there's another tablet that's factually better than the Nexus 10 with the points the OP claimed are anything but him having buyers remorse and trolling.

The reason I'm not going from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is because it's not a large enough gap in technology to warrant buying a new phone. The OP bought the N10 expecting it to project holograms and provide time travel and was disappointed it didn't so says that an inferior device is better than said device. It makes no sense. If it's not the upgrade you expected, don't blast the device. It's better than any of the tablets he mentioned albeit not a substantial upgrade.

I'm not going around the Nexus 4 forums saying the Galaxy Nexus is better because the upgrades are minimal compared to what I already own.

It's just irrelevant and ignorant to say such things with little to no context other than self-absorbed remorse.

This thread should be closed. It's pointless and disappointing.
[Nexus 10 General] Tomatoes8:
I still can't figure it out. Unless build materials and weight is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than performance and battery life, which he admitted was superior on the Nexus 10, it doesn't make any sense. :confused:

His other issues are easily fixed through the play store or side load.

I wish the OP and and pierrekid would just cut out the BS politics and just come out and say I love Asus or I hate Google/Samsung build materials. Honesty is something that is sorely missing in today's society. Can't say I blame them though, sometimes you have to flat out lie to get ahead.
[Nexus 10 General] chugger93:
I myself have owned both a prime and an infinity, and back when I owned them, prayed daily that Google would release a 10inch tablet to the market. When they announced it, I knew I would give away my ASUS counterparts in a heartbeat no matter what. The prime/infinity had such lagginess, even with custom roms, you could tell the I/O suffered immensely

I couldn't be happier with my N10. It's a f*ck*in monster, and the screen res blows away the infinity. Put em up side by side...you can tell a difference.

I would never

go back to ASUS again. I can't even believe this is a discussion. There were so many unhappy asus owners, and hell...there still are this very day!

God bless Google and doing the Nexus 4, 7 and 10. They are an ARMY!

Buttons that are centered, can easily be solved in the near future with a custom rom. Not to mention anything else you have as a pet peeve
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
How would anyone prefer the Asus tablet when it is confirmed it has a poor hardware memory which causes slowdowns and freezes?

Maybe you haven't heard about the I/O problems with Asus tablets...

No way a tablet with memory hardware problems is better than the nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] dmoney94:
Agreed

Had 2 Asus Tf700 and I return both them back..

Too much problem

1-Bluetooth lag

2-It couldn't handle a lot media files

3-Dead trigger was crashing on my device all the time,called Madfinger and they know what to the me.

4-Stupid Asus want to follow Apple footsteps, only one speaker....

Etc.....

The only good thing about the TF700 is the aluminum body.

Glad Google come out with this device..

PS:And don't have to wait for an update when it is released...
[Nexus 10 General] MysticPain7:
I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
[Nexus 10 General] Dextis:
Media playback will improve once media players are updated to support the N10's GPU. I've had to use software rending 5 out of 10 times with the videos I've watched.
[Nexus 10 General] mac404:
The idea of this thread is ridiculous to me. This tablet has been exactly what I hoped it to be. I can actually still use my tablet while updating apps. I can open more than one webpage without immense stuttering (even complex ones), and I can switch between them without waiting an unbearably long time (thank you, 2GB of ram). I can switch between apps with very minimal delay (that is nicely covered up by a system animation). In short - I can use my tablet without it getting in the way.

I guess I can add to that the fact that the build quality on mine seems stellar, and light bleed is virtually non-existent. I love the material on the back. And I haven't had any issues with resets.

This is the tablet that I can just use without getting frustrated. I may eventually want to install a custom rom and theme it (something I have done to every device I have owned in the last 6 years). Heck, this seems like a perfect candidate for one of the "prettier" themes. But right now, I'm just enjoying using it.
[Nexus 10 General] EnIXmA:
Most things you mentioned can be fixed. Use boat browser and install flash on it manually, its really fast and flash works with no problems.

I don't like the stock Nav bar too and use Lmt instead, gives me the full 10 inch real estate and is convenient to use.

This tablet is awesome and I have used tons of tablet in the past, Plus its a nexus device and there is already tons of development in the forums in addition to the up to date android os
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
I have a feeling the OP will gladly look back to his original post once he got used to this thing, battery gets full juice, flash is set up to work with a proper browser, consumes text and multimedia on 2600k, and especially when he grabs a 200PPI tablet and gets a shocker how much difference the retina display means.
[Nexus 10 General] Vertron:
Thanks for sharing this. I'll probably use this too if I get a N10. It's just what I wanted, no wasted screen real estate.
[Nexus 10 General] Diogenes5:
Fanboyism: Anandtech did a comparison of screens and the Infinity's screen has better contrast (1300:1 versus 700:1 of G10) and better maximum brightness (600 nits versus ~350). The G10 does one-up it in resolution and is certainly smoother on stock rom. However you should not resort to such blatant fanboyism to make your point.

His point, I think, was that you can charge the Infinity much faster since it uses a 12W, 1Amp Charger whereas the Nexus 10 only charges (currently) over USB which is 5 watts and .5 Amps. Even the Ipad charger is a 10W charger. Seems like an oversight on Samsung's part.

Good points. These are things I wanted when I considered upgrading from the infinity which was a stuttering, crash-filled mess at launch (weird because my TF300 was pretty stable). That being said, the android developer's network has made my infinity much much better so I'll wait for the Note 10.1 HD or the Next Transformer instead for my next big upgrade. I am still jealous of the ram which cannot be supplemented. I have only 150MB free ram due to a large number of widgets and screens and it stutters sometimes.

Lets not hate, the OP makes some good points. The G10 isn't perfect but it is a monumental first step into getting Android tablets into the hands of consumers. All Android tablet owners should be happy for that.
[Nexus 10 General] case-sensitive:
N10's stock charger is 5V 2A --> 10W: See the photo in post #2 of http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2019388
[Nexus 10 General] libertao:
Keyboard docks are nice (or at least a smart cover at launch!) and the button placement is very annoying (really shouldn't have to install an entire new ROM to shift the buttons slightly), but all the reported performance problems of the Infinity make the N10 worth it, I love it.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Fanboy huh? That's a first for me lol. I've owned the Infinity long enough to see a big difference. I don't rely on Anandtech to tell me what the difference is. "I go by my own experience." Plus comparing it side by side I have also done and regardless of what Andandtchs findings are, for me there is a big difference. If that makes me a fanboyism as you called me then that's on you.

You can have my keyboard dock if you like.... 50 bucks:D
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
- I'd like to know how they are pulling such numbers, but really, it comes down to what looks better in person, not what "some random people" say...

- What's a G10?
[Nexus 10 General] dickson123:
This is a G10:
[Nexus 10 General] ShadowVlican:
Indeed the button placement is extremely annoying

Why have soft keys when they're always the same? Might as well have hard keys and let us use the full resolution of this monster
[Nexus 10 General] johno86:
Relying on someone else's review of a device is down right negligible. It holds no sustenance. I can review a sports car and say it's garbage because it doesn't come with the option to have it in 6 speed manual while others love it because they love automatic cars. Do you see my point? To use andantech as a source of which screen is better or not and not your own two eyes is plain fanboyism and makes whatever your point is non credible. Nuff said.
[Nexus 10 General] Diogenes5:
Rubbish. To ignore objective metrics evaluating screens and posit your own opinion as fact does a disservice to all others who are trying to make an educated opinion. You can live in a willy-nilly world where somehow your random opinion is better than a reviewer who is using objective, replicable methods of evaluation; but for those of us who find it difficult to part with half a grand, a holistic approach is definitely preferred.

I am almost certain you haven't even evaluated the N10's screen outside where even the Ipad becomes a washed-out mess and the option to have IPS+ gives the Infinity an advantage. If you can make such a simple oversight as this, who is to take your opinion seriously? Grand overstatements serve noone.

I think google understands this and has clearly differentiated their products. The thing that precludes a lot of people from buying nexus products is the lack of expandable storage. I don't think the Nexus 4 made a dent in Samsung Galaxy S3 sales and that is because the Galaxy has better marketing and more features in removable battery/micro-sd/etc.

Likewise, the nexus 10 is similarly positioned in that it is an i-pad like device that ignores support for the added features many have become accustomed to in Android devices: particularly the presence of an SD slot.

I have no doubt that the Note 10.1 HD is going to blow the Nexus 10 out of the water in a few months. Remember the Galaxy Nexus phone? Google blew that phone out of the water with the S3 and outsold it massively with the S2. They differentiated in a way that they thought the market would respoond to. Likewise, I think the Note HD is going to have to have a quad-core, the digitizer, and SD card slot, and a better battery. This is pure speculation but it would be par for the course given Samsung's record with galaxy devices of one-upping their own google nexus devices.
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
Unless I know for a 100% fact about where the numbers a reviewer is pulling and what tests they specifically do, I don't hold them as a highly-regarded source of information. I'd rather see datasheets for specific hardware showing exactly what they can do. In other words, if the datasheet for the LCD backlight controller says it can reach a certain nits, I'd go with that over what some random person/group was able to figure out "randomly".

In any case, I based my Nexus 10 purchase mostly from the specs, that Google provided on their site. I then compared those specs to other devices that I have personally owned (well, specifically, I compared the CPU and GPU performance to Tegra 3). I learned that the Nexus 10, on paper, could perform better than my Nexus 7, and that was enough for me to want to buy a Nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] johno86:
The only one disillusioned by the whole ordeal is yourself. You really believe that the N10 with the specifications it has had nothing to do with what I actually perceived with my own two eyes? I used technical FACTS and relayed it to my own review of what I can physically see and accomplish with the device. I don't, unlike yourself, rely on outside sources of review to deduct that the N10 is worse or better. I can afford a mere $400 tablet for my own viewing pleasure. $400 of pure awesomeness. There are no other tablets out there that provide or excel in the hardware that comes with the N10. None. I look at numbers from tests I run on my personal N10 and compare it to the other 2 tablets I have available here.

You speak of blowing the market out of the water. I didn't know this discussion was about sales nor is it hardly relevant. Nexus devices never had a higher market value, any idiot could tell you that, but I guess coming from someone who uses Andantech as a reliable source of whether a device is superior or inferior it's not surprising to say the least. Nexus devices were given to have a direct link to Google and to have software and hardware developed from my Nexus One days. It was NEVER about marketing until recently. Even still, their marketing wasn't guided to the general consumer otherwise we would have seen millions of advertisements of their devices from the world's most powerful advertisement company. The fact that you even brought up the marketing nic-nac proved I'm wasting my time with someone who doesn't understand the concept of Nexus. Oh speaking of which, if this Note HD from Samsung is $399 with all the hardware improvements, gadgets, and wadgets you mentioned, I'm sure it wouldn't make sense to buy the N10 over the NoteHD but I'll tell you now - it's not going to cost $399 with everything you said it will have.
[Nexus 10 General] demandarin:
i wish people would just leave Asus Transformer Prime and Infinity pad out of discussions. Havent we been through enough already? lmfao i thought i escaped the drama from those forums. everywhere i go now its being relived. lol for the record, i loved my Prime.

Like you said though, the Note 10.1 is a stellar device. so much so that i havent jumped the gun on getting this nexus 10 yet. i have too many tablets as is. my next one will likely be a Microsoft surface Rt or Pro. leaning more towards pro though. i still check this forum out because i secretly still want one :) i can only imagine how great the display is. the apps and support will come in due time. Patience is a virtue.

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i can say we are some very passionate people about technology..lol

i would think the nexus 10 display is alot better than the inifinity pad. but that guy did have a point about the super ips+ feature. it would make the infinity pad display alot brighter and able to see outside better. IMO, thats the only place, display wise, that infinity has over nexus. based on what ive read and personal experience with super ips+ mode on my former transformer prime. it is a battery drainer though when using that mode.
[Nexus 10 General] Itaintrite:
Same. I've had gone through almost every single flagship Android tablets available and the only ones I would even consider going back to are all Samsung. The original GTab 10.1 for the beeeeautiful design and smoothness despite running HC. The note 10.1 for being a different beast. Love the s-pen.

I had the infinity until a week ago and the most noticeable differences are the screen and form. It's night and day between the two screens. Don't believe what people say about the extra pixels not making a difference. I can finally read magazines on my tablet without having to zoom in.
[Nexus 10 General] Icetech3:
Either my n10 is too loud or this guy is deaf.. i rarely use mine full volume and even listen to talk shows in the show (it stays on the counter) without an issue... plenty loud
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Damned if you do; damned if you don't. ;) I remember when people were calling you an Asus fan boy. It's so funny to see people defend their devices as if someone called their mother or sister a slut. Of the three top tablets there isn't a single one that won't force you to compromise...

Note 10.1

Pros: Slick Samsung features like S-Note/S-Pen and mutlivew. plenty fast, SD card slot for memory expansion, great battery life.

Cons: Lack of a FHD display, expensive, some people can't get over Samsung's use of plastics in their designs. .

TF700

Pros: FHD display, keyboard dock that extends its battery, SD card slot for memory expansion, Super IPS for outdoor viewing, speedy updates, looks premium and cool at the same time.

Cons: No 5GHz or channel bonding on Wi-Fi, BT 3.0, IO from hell, Asus' now famous second-tier components and build quality, good luck getting is repaired, too speedy updates (half of them take two subsequent updates to actually work), Teg3 is showing its age, expensive.

N10

Pros: Industry-leading display, Samsung high-end components, updates from Google, good value.

Cons: Apps don't always work on the industry-leading display (compatibility), phone UI on a 10" tablet is strange, industry-leading display eats batteries for lunch, shocking number of light bleed and QC issues for a Samsung-built device, Samsung's plastics to those that it bothers.​

So ladies and gentlemen, pick your poison. My ideal tablet would a Note 10.1 with a FHD display and a fresher design that doesn't look like every other previous Samsung tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
Just

:) If a device I own performs the way I like I will defend it tooth and nail. There's nothing wrong about that. I enjoyed my time with the Prime, Infinity and Note 10.1. They all served its purpose albeit with some minor annoyance. Now that I have a N10 and can first hand experience the quality performance and beauty of this device I will defend the things I love about it. By all means it's not perfect but for me, its the best one yet compared to the others I've owned.

Edit: Sorry forgot to greet my buddies, Hi Barry and Demandarin! Lol
[Nexus 10 General] hachibei:
Apparently, TF700 does charge via usb (albeit slowly). It doesn't show the charging status on the usb but try leaving it on usb a few hours (and don't use it while it goes on standby) and you're in for a surprise.
[Nexus 10 General] libertao:
Ha, I thought the same thing. Must have been the source he was listening to.
[Nexus 10 General] Diogenes5:
It's not just about the super-ips. The contrast is also better on the Infinity. 1300:1 is quite a big difference from 700:1. People are saying vastly ignorant things like the display on the Nexus 10 is the best ever when it clearly is not. It is good in terms of resolution and average in terms of everything else except contrast in which it is below-average.

Yet somehow people keep thinking if they repeat their anecdotal evidence at length, it somehow makes a persuasive argument to those who want an objective facts.
[Nexus 10 General] jji7skyline:
The Nexus 10 has really slow charging as well apparently. I can understand anyone who already owns a high-end tablet, who returns their N10.
[Nexus 10 General] jjdevega:
You can say the same thing about the Note 10.1 but its not really an issue. Same for the N10. Atm Pogo Pin charger has yet to be released but once it does the slow charging will be an after thought. So returning the N10 because of slow charging would be sensless.