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[HTC Droid DNA] Funkym0nkey:
Actually such random screenshots are useless to be honest.

Each person uses device differently.

If you used note 2 just like you use your DNA, there should be zero doubt in anyone's mind that Note 2 will spank the DNA.

I just got DNA yesterday and using it for 1 day I can actually notice significant difference between battery backup between Note 2 and DNA. If you are spoiled by how much you can actually waste battery by playing or fooling around with the phone over the day using Note 2, DNA will be big disappointment to you. But if you are coming from likes of One X or even SGS3, this is not a problem.

I dont know why some people have to get uber aggressive and / or defensive when anyone says DNA lacks behind Note 2 in anything.. I understand the loyalty to brand or their own devices, but be open minded. Some are just plain facts. Note 2 will allow its user to do a lot more than DNA will over a day. Mainly you can get away with fiddling with your phone over a day without worrying about running out of battery. That is the strong point of Note 2 along with the huge screen.

I like DNA so far, but it wont be replacing my Note 2. It stays in my pocket for now. As a productivity device you can get 1 day use out of DNA with medium to heavy use. As something to play with along with the productivity work, it wont last 1 day.

This is my personal observation, and mind you it is coming from the person who has used One X, SGS3, Note, Note 2, Nexus 4 and now DNA (though for very short period till now ) over last 1 year.

I actually want HTC to compromise on some other front and make a DNA like device with replaceable battery. That would be golden.

In the end it is down to the personal choice, but as far as observations of OP are concerned, they are very close to being accurate. DNA is wonderful device, just not the best all rounder like Note 2 if you dont have problem with size. And I still bought it expecting it.
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
Hm, having owned the Nexus 4 for about 2 weeks and on the T889 now, LG/Google would win me back if they made a 32GB Nexus 4 for either $350 or $400. 16GB just wasn't enough.

The Note 2 is really bloody big (I was an early adopter of the HD2, had the Galaxy Nexus then the Nexus 4 so I'm used to reasonably big phones) and the 16:9 aspect ratio makes it less-than-perfect from a tablet perspective. I like the 15:9 aspect ratio on the Nexus 4 for that extra width when it comes to browsing and such.

The Note 2 is killer with regards to expandability and games/movies, though.. and ESPECIALLY battery life. Franco's kernel for the N4 helped a lot though.
[HTC Droid DNA] Tomatoes8:
HTC could have left the Butterfly or DNA in the oven a lot longer. Heck, they should have just left everything they learned for the HTC M7 to at the very least let the M7 have a bigger wow factor being the first to feature a SLCD 3 screen. That is the only way they can even dream of beating the GS4 but they couldn't even wait as long as Sony. Typical HTC.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Playing devil's advocate? Sony devices have limited distribution and their track record on s/w (both shipped and updates) is spotty. The Xperia S had some pretty significant issues with its display that caused Sony to issue a semi-recall. People here are *****ing about the USB flap on the DNA while the Xperia Z has flaps on everything to maintain its water resistance that's carrying over from the Japanese version.

Panasonic made a huge push in the EU with their mobile phones last year and just announced their pulling out of the EU and possibly considering an exit or JV from mobile phones entirely. Not that Sony will follow in their footsteps but mobile phones are a minor revenue source for them. Huawei, ZTE, and Oppo have all been showing incredible looking devices. But they have no sales, service, and support infrastructure and zero track record on h/w and s/w quality and reliability. So the bottom line is just because it's "shiny" doesn't mean it'll be a great device or sell well. I bought one of the first "shiny" LG G2X's based on specs and press. It was a disaster and the reason I'll never buy another LG phone again. There are only two device makers I trust - Samsung and HTC. Motorola could resurrect itself under Google's management. LG could turn itself around, it appears their trying, but I'll always be skeptical of their devices. I'd consider a Sony device but only after hearing people's usage experience after it has been out a couple of months. And of course, YMMV. ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] abellimz:
I think the OP really gave a fair and unbiased comparison. Well done!

The note 2 battery life is really awesome.

The droid dna is the result of htc's half-assed efforts... average battery life, bloat, laggy sense etc.
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
Funny how there is a lot of moaning and groaning going on over 3 very good devices (and the OP's personal comparison between the 3). Think about it this way...as Android users we are pretty damn lucky we have so many excellent devices to chose from. The choice comes down to carrier and your personal preference. My girlfriend has the Note 2 and I have nothing but good things to say about it. The battery life is amazing and it's loaded with excellent features. It's a little too big for my liking but that doesn't make it a bad device. And considering the original Note, Samsung did a great job on the design of the Note 2 to make it much more ergonomical in the hand even with the extra 0.2 inches.

My personal preference and because of carrier restraint made the DNA the right choice for me. Doesn't mean the other 2 devices are bad, no, just the DNA was the best one for me.
[HTC Droid DNA] teri.nk79:
i love Nexus 4 :laugh:
[HTC Droid DNA] jreed2560:
I love lamp!

sent from my DNA Employee Edition 04271
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
The one thing I'm jealous about the Note2 is all the development going on with the phone. I know it'll take time for our phone but I'm a flashaholic so it's kinda painful right now.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Yeah, that was another reason why I jumped to the Note 2 lol. I got spoiled with my S3 and the crazy amount of development that there was. And the bonus is that most of the dev's moved from the S3 to Note 2, so I'm getting the ROM's that I already loved!

Being a flashaholic is a tough job. LOL.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
Just came from the supermarket where the bagger asked me if I had the DNA and what I like most about it. I almost slipped and said pron looks lifelike on this screen LOL
[HTC Droid DNA] Itzvik:
Lol .... At work some dude said what can you do on that phone that I can't do on mine...I told him with a straight face...watch a realistic pair of tities in 1080p. He says ohhh I forgot about this new generation lmaooo

Sent from my HTC DROID DNA.
[HTC Droid DNA] JerzeyLegend:
I just got a DNA. I love it, especially coming off 3 months of not having a phone.

I love the Nexus 4 and availability is why I didn't get it. Note 2 is awesome but I'm afraid because the Note 1 scarred me. Flimsy, easlily broken plastic, hard to hold form factor, slow as balls camera. I played with the note 2 in a store and being tethered hurt the experience as well. I want some real life use so maybe one day ill cross someone who has one and will let me demo it.

The DNA has its limitations. However none are a deal breaker for me. It all comes down to preference. This is day 2 for me and so far it has been a monster, not slowing down even once for what I was doing and the battery lasted more than the whole day.

Again its all preference. I can't wait for CM10. Might try a senseless Rom in the meantime.
[HTC Droid DNA] deathrow1992:
I wouldn't say this phone is lag free, but lag is rare for me and nothing like how people are trying to make it out to be.
[HTC Droid DNA] TXI Kaze:
The Note 2 uses the same material that the DNA is made from: Polycarbonate. While the screen is bigger they redid the form of it so that it would fit comfortably (well, as comfortable as a phone of that size can) in the hand. If I remember correctly, it's more narrow than the note 1 and just longer. I have a borked DNA (refurbished) so my experience is iffy.
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
I can tell you that after owning the note 2 and DNA the DNA build quality feels sooooooooo much better.

Whether the material is technically the same kind of becomes irrelevant at that point, at least to me.
[HTC Droid DNA] Waffles492:
Y

Why did you have all 3?
[HTC Droid DNA] iphoneislame:
I work at Verizon and, while it's a tight race between the note 2 and the DNA (at least in the stock versions), the Note 2 seems to be outperforming overall. My first clue was the amount of subsidization that has gone into the DNA. Though to be fair this is probably mostly just to push the cloud drives that are available... The Note 2 is 299.99 while the DNA is only 199.99. Plus I make $40-$50 dollars commission on a DNA and only $20.00 on the Note 2. That aside, the 1080p screen and the Beats Audio sported by the DNA (in my not so professional opinion lol) are outweighed by: overall battery life, functionality, and awesomeness of the Note 2. Plus playing n64oid on that huge screen is just dope.

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And the DNA keeps falling apart. Customers keep bringing them back with pieces falling off...
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
It's not really lag, it's HTC's extremely questionable decision to use slow animations for homescreen scrolling. Unless you are experiencing some other lag somewhere else, I don't know.

If Sense 5 isn't faster, I won't be buying another HTC product for a long time. I really liked the build quality and screen of the DNA, but that's about where it ended for me.

HTC better get their head out of their ass before they either go bankrupt or become an even smaller fish in the smartphone pond than they already have become.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
What pieces exactly? I mean I broke the charge port flapper the first day I had it but that was it hahahah.
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
Lol, I want to break that charge flap, it's highly annoying. Mine appears to be made of kryptonite though.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
ahahaha. I probably would have ripped it out anyway if it didn't break, I do that with all my phones with those stupid flaps.
[HTC Droid DNA] arun1151:
sorry author-I can't agree

Sorry author, I can never accept even a single point-of-view and the following bothered me way too much. The bias towards samsung is clearly revealing, hope this is not a part of marketing work for the tech giant.

1. Problems with apps/games? This shows how biased the post it. Just wait for a couple of months and every app/game will be updated. There is a process that follows in this tech world when something new comes out -> the adoption process. Even the mighty Apple's OSX had 1000 problems when mountain lion came out.

2. Software? Come on!! Every knowledgeable phone owner knows how useful HTC's Sense 4+ UI is, so amazing that many developers preserve the code even in ROMs(KB/White ROMs). Believe me, any power user will wish sense 4 in cyanogenmod if and when something comes out for DNA. I cannot think how I did not discover all this time, the task widget and calendar widget. Yes Evernote is amazing, but its a bloat compared to what we need out of simple to-do list manage - even wunderlist feels bit overkill.

3. Build quality - the writing makes me think if the author even had a chance to use the phones for more than say couple of minutes. The screen in Note 2 is so glassy-if I may use that word. It scares me when I use it, that it will break like a china the first time I drop it. DNA's is so amazinig that over a month I have not even put a screen protector over it. I took the risk but discovered how good the build quality is. Please let me know if you need proof. I can attach picture of the phone without protector or even a video that shows me scratching the screen lightly. The only down was the charging, the cover to the usb annoys me everytime. Would tear it out in sometime. Would've been great if usb port was on the side.

For me this has been the feel

1. DNA

2. Note 2 - more for the usability and writing(S-pen is awesome) than the performance

3. Nexus 4 - have used it for a while, but didn't feel owning something special.
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
Sorry arun1151, I can hardly accept most of the point-of-views you present here. The bias towards HTC is clearly palpable.

I agree with the gist of your point 3 though.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Talk about bias, lol! The games and apps part is reality, regardless of if/when they will fix them all. Good job with bias there. :rolleyes:

So I guess me and tons of other people aren't knowledgeable phone owners? Sense is old, stale and heavy. I can't even tell you how many people I know who have HTC phones can't wait to get rid of it and flash aosp, use a different launcher, etc. It's often the first thing that they do.

And the build quality thing is just silly now. If you take care of your phone, you will be just fine. If you drop it on the face, the screen will most likely crack regardless of the phone. Period.

Note 2 is more for usability than performance? That's where you lost all credibility. You already did before, but that sealed the deal. Biased much? Lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] iphoneislame:
The parts that I've seen break are the little cover piece above the ear piece which falls off way too easy and the back cover which people keep managing to break when removing their phone cases. Is the back of the DNA supposed to come off at all?? Because it does... a lot.
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
I have never heard if either of those happening. It is not a widespread problem.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
So the answer is bias in the other direction?

A couple of months is a long time to wait to find out if something you use everyday is going to be updated. JB is only at 10% adoption after six months and there are still apps that haven't been updated or optimized for it. What percentage of phones in people's hands do you think will have 1080P displays by the end of March?

Sense is beautifully designed and all the HTC apps included are very well integrated. It's so functionally behind TW it's kind of embarassing. TW on the other hand looks like it did on the SGS1 and needs a remodel. The functions provided and the ability to customize the operation of the phone leaves Sense in the dust. Let's hope the next Sense is more functional and the next TW is better looking.

You're guessing that OP took two mintues to draw a conclusion so you "looked" at a N2 and decided it's fragile? The same multi-piece "plastic" construction everyone *****es about allows Samsung devices to distribute impact better. Any newer device with a near edge-to-edge display is a lot more likely to be damaged if its dropped simply because there's less edge protection. The One X wasn't any more or less durable than the SGS3 so it doesn't make sense a lot has changed between the N2 and DNA; their both extensions of the same designs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA0r7tc6V5s
[HTC Droid DNA] mazdarati2:
So, almost every post is about the Note 2 vs the DNA. So from my point of view, the Nexus 4 wins
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
As long as you put it in the freezer before using it for anything CPU/GPU intensive, don't use it to make calls, don't expose it to extreme thermal changes so the glass (front

and

back) doesn't crack, don't take it too far away from a charger, calibrate the display color settings yourself, don't intend to use USB OTG, don't use BT, and are fine with HSPA. It's a great value but I wouldn't put it in the same category build, feature, and functionality wise as either the DNA or N2. For people interested in development and view their device as a hobby it's an easy first choice though.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
I dunno why people always compare the note 2 and DNA. They really don't hold any similarities other than the fact that they are bigger phones but the DNA isn't much bigger than an S3. The Note 2 feels like I'm carrying a small book.

In my book, DNA wins. But I've played with and own a DNA and have messed with the Note 2 a lot.
[HTC Droid DNA] Itzvik:
Well, the argument about the apps not being optimized for the 1080p is invalid. The apps do not work but they will work within the next month. 2013 will be all about 1080p resolution and I doubt developers will wait months before updating their apps.

The bottom line is that the DNA is a next gen phone and the Note 2 is not. You can paint it and word it however you want but its the truth.

The DNA is the beginning of great new technology and the note 2 is just a larger version of the SGS3 with a better processor and S-pen functionality.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Exactly my stance on the Note 2. You really can't compare the two. The reason I got the DNA over the S3 or Note 2 was that it was next gen stuff, nobody else has a 1080p quad core phone right now. Granted in the next few months they will be everywhere but for right now it's new tech.
[HTC Droid DNA] mazdarati2:
i will game the hell out of it haha, but what is USB OTG and BT?
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
Technically, your argument is logically invalid since you're making predictions without any evidence. We can say with complete certainty what the situation is today, but one month down the road remains uncertain. I'd claim your guess is absurd.

You're stating a hypothesis, not a fact.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
S4 Pro is the same SoC as S4 with two additional cores. There's a Krait v3 that's 15% faster that's the next evolution of S4 due out soon. The GPU is the biggest difference between the S4 version used in the DNA and earlier versions and any performance gains are neutered pushing the additional pixels of the 1080P display. The Sharp display used in the DNA has less brightness and contrast than the displays used in the One X's and will be eclipsed by the SoLux display used in the M7 which is actually a bigger step forward technology wise than the LCD3 display in the DNA/Butterfly. Other than two additional cores, a better GPU, and a 1080P display everything in the DNA is carry-over from the One XL including Sense, a marginal battery, and 11GB of user accessible storage. And the devices being released or announced in Q1 will have a 13MP Exmor RS camera sensor which is a huge leap forward from what's in current devices including the DNA. The DNA/Butterfly was a niche device (and a very good one) but it's more evolutionary than revolutionary. The M7 is HTC's next flagship and meant to do battle globally with the next wave of devices being released. And looking ahead, if the SGS4 has a Exynos 5 Quad SoC and a 1080P SAMOLED non-pentile display as rumored, the M7 better be a large step beyond the DNA. If not the M7 will end up selling like the One X(s) did in comparison to the SGS3 and with Q4 2012 being their worst quarter in years profit-wise HTC can't afford another "swing and a miss."
[HTC Droid DNA] barondebxl:
I totally agree. Its gonna be hard for HTC to compete against the S IV, its gonna take a great product, with new features and lots of marketing. Also easy to use and different. I believe that if HTC sticks to Qualcomm SOCs, either do removable batteries or be more generous with the size of their batteries, expandable storage, somehow get rid of that HTC dev and ship their devices S-off ( its good to dream Lol), and keep on having great designs and screens, they might pull something off this year. But I don't think HTC understands what it really takes for them to get back strong in the game.
[HTC Droid DNA] thachosenone:
Anyone remember the first 720p screen available?

It was the rezound , which, if you remember, had terrible batt life, a laggy snapdragon s3 processor, and a really washed out hi Def screen. And it was a hefty phone.

My point is that just cause HTC does something first, doesn't mean that it's good. That seems to be their problem. Pushing out hardware first, but not putting in the time to make sure their software is running optimally for it.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
The lack of internal memory sucks

The procesor sucks

Sense sucks

The battery sucks

The lag sucks

HTC sucks

Lack of properly tuned apps for the screen sucks

The DNA just plain old sucks, only braindead people would buy this phone.

:rolleyes:
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
And the Rezound was also a VZW exclusive.

And the Rezound has marginal, largely orphaned dev support now. Partly because HTC doesn't really care about their VZW exclusives.

We'll see where the DNA ends up in ~1 year.

:crying:
[HTC Droid DNA] Bigandrewgold:
How the the most powerful processor in any phone currently on the market suck.

Battery life is the same as the s3, so how does that suck.

What lag?

95% of apps work great.

Not liking HTC and sense is an opinion, not a fact.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
He was kidding. Lol. Hence the rolleyes smiley
[HTC Droid DNA] thachosenone:
HTC in general doesn't have as much dev support as Samsung. I don't think any device has as much dev support as Samsung devices. Maybe cause they're so easy to root.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Among the common cons of the DNA that everyone already knows about, it's the ones that aren't often talked about that concerned me the most. The fact that it's a VZW exclusive and it came out at a time when the S3 was still the most popular Android phone and the Note 2 was released with good success worried me.

Everyone that I've talked to about the DNA had no idea what it was or that it even existed. And even though the phone is still fairly new, I still don't hear many people talk about it.

When I looked for accessories, I saw very little. Development seems to be pretty slow and I think it will be like the Rezound, maybe even worse.

IMO, HTC is in major trouble. We all know about their financial failures lately and they just don't seem to have a solid plan. Samsung has gained extreme momentum, almost to Apple levels. With the S4 rumors gathering major attention, HTC better hit a homerun with the M7 or they might drown.

We will see how it goes.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
No doubt that Samsung is on a roll, not just with phones either, their TVs are selling like crazy as well...my house is a samsung TV house. They are doing something right and I hope they can take the throne back as top dog so all the Apple heads shut up. I love my DNA but I have no problem admitting as well that HTC is going to be in some trouble if they don't pick it up.
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
I used to have the HTC HD2 and that had (has?) dev support that could put most Samsung devices to shame. Arguably that was HTC's last great device.

How the mighty have fallen..
[HTC Droid DNA] barondebxl:
The snapdragon S3 wasn't laggy, it was HTC sense that was just to heavy and HTC didn't optimize it very well. Pretty much all Samsung phones that were using the same SoC at the time ( skyrocket, T-Mobile S2 for example) were performing very well, much better than the HTC snapdragon S3 powered phones.

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Its because of that stupid HTC dev thing. Samsung is very smart, they know to cater to the devs/root community (us) and also the general public. They have the S3 which is feature packed, has been marketed everywhere. It also has a super easy way to root and have full control of your device. Plus removable batteries and expandable storage. HTC on the other hand likes to make things complicated, HTC dev to root your phone, it ships S-on, batteries are non removable ( and very small battery capacities) no more expandable storage, clunky sense, lag and no good marketing. They did it to them selves.

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Yes, that's when they were doing great, but look at them now. What bugs me the most is that I don't think they really understand what they need to do to turn this situation around. And I want then to succeed.