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[HTC Droid DNA] wlmeng11:
The first phone in with a 720p screen was definitely NOT the Rezound; I think it was the LG Nitro.

The display on the Rezound may not have AMOLED level contrast, but the color accuracy and sharpness are excellent, and it is certainly not washed out (unless you consider a lack of extreme contrast "washed out").

The general rule of thumb is that LCDs are better for displaying lighter colors and AMOLEDs are better for displaying darker colors.
[HTC Droid DNA] dr.duct_mossburg:
I traded in my nexus for the S3 in November? I hated touch wiz as I did with my fascinate. Rooted it within about a week and put the Nexus interface on it. I could still only take it so for so long. I just yesterday traded it in for the DNA. For business use the DNA feels 10x nicer. The screen, audio, camera, battery, etc. are all better than the s3. I'm trading the S3 for an iPhone 5 tomorrow for my mother. No looking back! I'm a happy customer!

(Previously owned the Dinc, Fascinate, Dinc2, Nexus, S3)
[HTC Droid DNA] thachosenone:
Actually, rezound was announced and released in November 2011. Nitro was announced in the Nov 2011, released Dec 2011.

But let me correct myself... The gNex was the first, announced in Oct 2011 released Nov 2011.

My first smartphone was a Vibrant. So being introduced to AMOLED first kinda ruins it, but it is what it is. The accurate colors of LCD just don't look good to me. I also like the fact that AMOLED screens can adjust the gamma and contrast levels. Much like Led TVs, higher contrast display just looks better.

The dev support on the vibrant shows the tenacity of samsung development. It was a phone that was abandoned on froyo, but can now run 4.2.1 fairly well.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Kind of how I felt about the S3 too, touchwiz isn't my cup of tea, I've always liked Sense. When I had my Droid 2 years ago and rooted it I had it running a sense like rom. Overall it's just built better IMO, there's a thread going on in the S3 general where people have been through 4 or more S3s already.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
If we're going to play the "history" and "siblings are likely to be the same" card, the Teg3 One X was one of the most troubled devices in HTC's history. I had one and it was defect free but sometimes I thought it was the only one based on the negativity in the One X forum. The release of the One X actually accelerated HTC's market share losses.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...hones/htc-confirms-one-x-wi-fi-issues-1085650
[HTC Droid DNA] Ndaoud360:
I stumbled upon this. This can't be legit right? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-DROID-DNA-4G-Android-Phone-UNLOCKED/732049951.html
[HTC Droid DNA] klarson:
The display and processor is off in the specs. I wouldn't trust it.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
I would feel extremely sorry for whoever actually orders/ordered this.
[HTC Droid DNA] wlmeng11:
The Nitro was sold in the US in December, but it was available in other countries as early as October.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Nitro_HD

If you like over-saturated colors, fine, but that doesn't make it accurate.

Although color accuracy may be meaningless to you, it is important to others.

BTW you can fine tune LCDs to your liking so long as the manufacturer allows you to (ahem computer monitors) and LED TVs simply mean they are LCDs with an LED backlight, as opposed to older CFL backlights (Most smartphone LCDs are LED backlit nowadays, Rezound included).

For LED TVs with higher contrast ratios, you're probably referring to individual dimming displays, where there are multiple LED backlights rather than a single one, so each one can be brighter or darker individually. However, this only helps for adjusting relatively large areas of the display, so it won't help for scenes such as a starlit sky, where there are whites of a few pixels on a completely dark background.

AMOLEDs, on the other hand, aren't backlit as each pixel lights itself, so they do excel in that aspect.

It is pretty safe to say, though, that Samsung devices in the past few years have received better development than HTC devices.
[HTC Droid DNA] TheQuarterMile:
Good read.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Yeah my friend went through a few ONE X phones. Hopefully these DNAs are more well built, so far so good. I dont think anything will hold up to the abuse that my old D2 did though hahaha
[HTC Droid DNA] xhika:
I just saw htc update their cover photo on fb, is it the m7?
[HTC Droid DNA] codezzie:
Just got my dna, note 2 was actually painful to hold.
[HTC Droid DNA] Funkym0nkey:
Who knows. That is definitely not DNA or butterfly as headphone grill does not match either. So that leaves Windows 8 phones or upcoming M7 teaser.

From my Note 2, right in your face....
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
I hope everyone does. Samsung needs a good, strong competitor to threaten their share so that they actually can actually improve upon certain key deficiencies (e.g. build quality). If HTC and Samsung were duking out for #1 it might mean good things for everyone -- phones with sweet build quality, stunning displays and all the bells and whistles (including removable batteries and microSD cards).

Unfortunately, Samsung's scale is just so big (they are not purely invested in mobile) and they have accumulated such a large share of the market I don't see how HTC can turn this around. HTC just doesn't have the leverage to do things like all-carrier releases (e.g. Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S3, Note 2, and more to come..), let alone with minimal branding like Samsung accomplished with the S3.

The fact that they were only able to make the DNA a VZW exclusive absolutely does not bode well for the company. They have not progressed since the release of the Droid Incredible, only regressed.
[HTC Droid DNA] Ndaoud360:
Looks like the Evo lte to me with case on it,
[HTC Droid DNA] iphoneislame:
Oh that's because you bought the "painful to hold edition." If you had bought the regular version you would have realized how big of a joy it is to hold a note 2. The opposite of a painful experience really.

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It's not like it has spikes on it, Codezzie lol
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what I don't understand. Why does their Chairwoman keep their CEO in place? While mobile's booming their stock value has been going the wrong way consistently since April of 2011. I don't understand why their shareholder's haven't revolted. The sad part about HTC's performance is it doesn't need to be this way. They have the resources to build beautiful h/w and s/w, have great name recognition, and are second only to Samsung in global distribution. Yet, they take all that and create abominations like the Rezound and Rhyme or put marginal batteries and storage in the One XL and DNA. For the M7 to be successful all they need to do is meet or exceed the specs and features of the Xperia Z or SGS4 and add some unique HTC attributes. The fact that 5" seems to be the new "normal" and their going with 4.7" again isn't a great start. Their running out of lives and need an unqualified "hit" desperately. If the M7 doesn't sell they are going to have to come up with a new game plan for the entire company. They started out as a white label manufacturer for carriers and other companies so maybe they need to return to their roots to survive.
[HTC Droid DNA] jonup:
As a N4 owner I completely agree with the OP about the screen. It is washed out. I have not played with gamma adjustments yet but that's because I don't really care. Also, the gorilla glass is actually plastic polymer not real glass and it does feel plastic. I am not impressed with the build quality, maybe it is my set but it does not feel as solid as an iphone as most of the initial reviews made me believe. Nevertheless I would not even consider DNA or Note 2 as they are too big for me.
[HTC Droid DNA] ajftl:
Funny I just sold my note 2 today...Ok not bragging out anything but I had all of them and xiaomi mi2 one x+ a Xperia tx a lumia 920 nexus 4 of course and a butterfly..had the dna but returned cause I was planning on get rid off Verizon...so I did. Got the butterfly instead...guess it's a personal preference thing but I want impressed by the note 2 that phone to big. Lol. I posted up on eBay last night someone bought it now for 550

Why I like the butterfly more than a note 2? It just look sleeker. Is fast. Camera good. Beats audio and the screen of course. And the fact that you won't see anyone or almost anyone with a butterfly around u is killer lol.

So my favorite phones

Right now

HTC butterfly

Xiaomi mi2

Lumia 920

Nexus 4(cause you have to have Google's phone)

And htc one x+
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
You can probably count on one hand the number of people that are going to pay $800 (Negri's price) for a device that only supports 850/2100MHz HSPA.
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
Don't forget about the 300 million users China Unicom has on it's 2100 MHz network. The Butterfly (x920e) retails here in Beijing for just under $800 USD while the Note 2 (which is selling like hot cakes) goes for about $850 USD.
[HTC Droid DNA] troubleshot:
I'm considering getting a note 2 as well. I am currently on the SGS3. Was interested in the DNA since it has a 1080p display. But I'm like you, no patience to wait for the updates.
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
I have the SGS3 as well and got the Butterfly and glad I did. The phone is much better than I expected. I also looked at the Note 2, which my girlfriend owns, but I wanted something different than Samsung. I have nothing but good things to say about the Note 2 just liked HTC more.

Which updates are you referring to? My device has already had two software updates.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Oops. Should have been more specific. I meant on this forum and/or in the U.S. I hope for HTC's sake it sells well in the markets it's intended for.
[HTC Droid DNA] ismayilovali:
thank you :(
[HTC Droid DNA] ajftl:
Hey. I wish I can afford a Nissan gtr. But I don't. You buy whatever you can afford.

So I got me a supa dupa butterfly in pearl white. So preeetttyyyy. You ever seen a pearl white civic type r? That's the color right there lol
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
That sounds very strange... I'm wondering if its on purpose... Its one of the best built phones I've seen and at our store we've had no such issues.
[HTC Droid DNA] Kuma-sama:
Does x920e have NFC? I got contradicting results from few web pages
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
Yes, the x920e has NFC.
[HTC Droid DNA] iphoneislame:
I guess google translate needs an upgrade.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
It needs a TurboTroniks 4.2.1 with a big blow-off valve.
[HTC Droid DNA] TechSavvy2:
Have also now owned all three. Went from gs3 to note 2 to nexus 4 to now DNA. I love the DNA the most by a long shot. Nexus 4 was fun for development (obviously) but tmobile didn't get service at my house which was a deal breaker. Battery is a user based thing, my DNA gets much better than my gs3 or n4.

Sense is also a preference thing. I don't know why people argue about it, its like arguing chocolate vs vanilla. My preference is that sense 4+ is better than touchwiz ux. I like it more.

Development is **** for HTC cuz of s-off. Everyone knows that. With gs3 you waited for unlock then everything was good. For us, we wait for both unlock and s-off. Double negative.

My end opinion......they were all 4 the same damn thing with different form factor, battery life and skin. Performance wise what is everyone complaining about? Back to ice cream analogies, its a pissing contest in here between chocolate, vanilla and strawberry.
[HTC Droid DNA] Kuma-sama:
Does it use the silly broadcom nfc chipset or its the NXP or its others?
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
Good question, I have no idea. Just searched through the internet and apparently Google doesn't know either :)
[HTC Droid DNA] bluefoam:
Is the x920d supposed to have nfc?
[HTC Droid DNA] iphoneislame:
I'll sign off on them being similar but definitely not the same thing. You can't lump the gs3 in with these other heavy hitters. When it comes to performance the difference is highly noticeable.

I'll agree that sense is a preference thing but you didn't even mention the battery on the GN2 that thing's a MONSTER. Plus each of these phones is geared toward a different consumer, with different features and benefits. Vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry is the wrong analogy; it's more like sweet, salty, and sour.
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
No NFC on the x920d
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
The only thing they have in common is they make calls, connect to the Internet, and run Android. Their very different devices with very different strengths and weaknesses. Hence the multi-page discussion. It's more like comparing ice cream, sorbet, and a snow cone. I'll let you assign which belongs to which device. ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Exactly.

I still cannot life for me understand why people constantly compare the DNA and Note 2 though; Only thing they remotely have in common is screen size and that they are phones.

Everything after that is different.
[HTC Droid DNA] Funkym0nkey:
They are being compared because they are targeted towards same audience actually. They might be two phones with completely different feature set, but you will see lot of people overlapping as far as ownership or / and those considering a new purchase decisions are concerned. It is inevitable comparison.

Note 2 has been a de facto standard as far as high end, high performance big screen phones are concerned. It has been out for a while and it has been successful and has great support. And the fact that it can be great device for both pleasure and business without compromising in either department is additional bonus.

HTC on the other hand are trying to lure customers from this phone. Not SGS3, but Note owners / prospective buyers. This is why they are being compared and this thread is this long. Because these are currently the two best big screen phones out there.

There will be few die hard Note supporters, and some die hard DNA supporters, but many if not most of those looking to buy new device will be considering both these phones in spite of their dissimilarities.
[HTC Droid DNA] jreed2560:
I disagree entirely. Look at how Verizon has marketed the phone. Beats, screen, speed, wireless charging. They are marketing this a device for consumption. The note 2 is being marketed completely different. S pen, split screen, productivity.

The DNA is geared more toward people looking for the latest gadget, where the note 2 is geared toward business persons, or people that need to get things done. Sometimes those groups overlap but they are two totally different groups who usually have much different needs as far as devices go.
[HTC Droid DNA] ajftl:
You totally need to upgrade yes...Lol
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
And quite a thesis it is… ;)

I used Sense 4+ before getting a N2. Functionally, there’s no comparison. The degree of functional customization TW offers is huge compared to Sense which has been remodeled aesthetically (which TW needs desperately) but contains no more functionality than it did in 3.6. Read back through the thread as the additional functionality of the N2 (outside S Pen and multiview) have been discussed before.

The version of S4 in the DNA/Butterfly is identical to the dual-core version with two additional cores. There are no architectural advances. Those advances are coming in Krait v3 which is due out this quarter. The GPU is new and more powerful but the enormous PPI of the display consumes that benefit. So while S4/Adreno in the DNA is no doubt more powerful than Exynos 4/Mali in the N2 the 441PPI vs. 267PPI negate the difference to a large degree.

It’s 1/3” larger than the One X and less than that compared to the SGS3. Not really “phablet” territory. ;)

1080P is a marketing myth. From an N10 discussion.

I agree with your pros and cons though. As somone else said, the DNA and N2 are aimed at different market segments. But they are being cross-shopped which is why this debate drags on.
[HTC Droid DNA] ajftl:
Butterfly update...oh DNA would get this in about 8 months. Lol
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
haha. That's probably about right.
[HTC Droid DNA] uppon2:
I have never used Sense until recently so I am yet to see it's disadvantages. I have always run AOSP on my Samsung devices anyway.

Whether or not the CPU shares the same architecture, it is still a better processor. Same goes for the GPU, regardless of the more detailed screen. The Adreno is in no way throttling or struggling to power it. I would agree with you if that was apparent to me. Maybe when I get mine and use another one I will change my mind ;)

When I say phablet, I'm using it loosely as I don't believe it is. I am only speculating as to why some users may see it in this light. It is being compared :)

1080p is a marketing myth you say? Care to elaborate.....
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
If 1080 is a marketing myth, you obviously haven't watched a 1080p HD video/movie on this device. lol.

Your eyes will explode.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
I thought I did? Anything below 1 arcminute isn't resolved by the human eye. At .66 arcminutes a 1080P display (DNA, SGS4, LG E940) won't be perceived any differently than a 720P (N2) display at 1.073 arcminutes when viewed at 10+" away. It's not about the display; it's about the capabilities (visual acuity) of the human eye. If you're skeptical ask an ophthalmologist.
[HTC Droid DNA] eissa222:
thaaaaaaaaaaaanks

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thannnnnnnnnnnnks
[HTC Droid DNA] ajftl:
What? I see the different..trust me
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
You're not supposed to have the device 3" away from your eyes. If you do keep it that close or less, you should consult an ophthalmologist for other reasons..

Save the pixel peepers, most people who claim to observe the difference would be claiming to have superhuman vision.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
You must be one of those guys that cant tell the difference between stuff shown 720p vs 1080p. You can tell there is a difference. If you cant then youre the one who needs their eyes checked lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Only if you have better than 20/20 vision. Otherwise it's about physiology, not electronics. And for pictures and videos the differences between 720P and 1080P aren’t discernible. It’s already been discussed in this thread so I’m not going to repost it but you can read more about why the benefit of 1080P isn’t as useful in a handheld device as people make it out to be via this link.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/

P.S. – Based on where the industry’s going I’m sure my next phone will be 1080P so I’m not knocking it. I’m just saying that the “dramatic” differences people are seeing are placebo. Maybe you can tell if you hold the device 5” from your face but is that typical “real world” use?
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
There are only a few key vocabulary that comprise encapsulate the difference between resolutions as perceived by the human eye

resolution

screen size

viewing distance

or in several permutations that can be employed mathematically to arrive to similar figures (e.g. angular subtense, pixel pitch, pixel density).

A 4K monitor will have its merits almost always due to the typical viewing distance but a 1080P 50" television at greater than 6.5' is not being fully utilized (and at >9.8', never at all). A 1080P smartphone at 5" would need to be viewed at closer than 6" to realize the benefit, otherwise you are fooling yourself.

Good luck though.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Thats a great article. Lots of info in the comments as well
[HTC Droid DNA] uppon2:
Thanks for the link and the explanation. At the end of the day. It's still a better screen and is 1080p regardless of if I can see it or not ;)

I'm still surprised that I now favour LCD screens on phones. I thought AMOLED would always be my favourite!
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
All I know is the note 2 looked grainy to me and this doesn't.

If it's not the resolution difference, meh.

If it's in my head, meh.

My eyes see it.
[HTC Droid DNA] Nyxagamemnon:
Here's my Take I have both devices and comparing them.

Advantages to Note 2

Louder Speakers more bass/tones

Longer Battery life

Black colors are deeper (Amoled byproduct)

Removable Battery

Micro SD card for more internal storage

Advantages to DNA

1080P Screen

Connivance wise it's smaller than the note 2 easier to carry/put in pocket

Cons of DNA

Battery life is wayyyyy worse compared to the note 2

No Micro SD Card

Weaker Speakers/Volume

Cons of Note 2:

720P Display

Size

I like the dna alot but my main con is the dam battery life, I've been used to the note 2's battery life and the dna is just crap compared to it. I use the devices alot, 4+ Hours of screen time.

The biggest frustration with the note 2 is it's size that's really about it.
[HTC Droid DNA] uppon2:
I think the DNA has better audio and speakers. :eek:

To other news, apparently update reduces battery performance on Note 2 Click Me For Details
[HTC Droid DNA] cc16177:
Dude I love my DNA but if you think it has better speakers than the Note 2 you need to have your hearing checked.

For the record I test hearing and diagnose hearing loss for a living....
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Not really. The DNA performed worse than the N2 on every one of GSMArena's standardized tests. They did credit the DNA as being the loudest phone they've tested; probably because of the amplifier HTC's been including. If you listen to highly compressed content over less than $100 headphones loudness would be more apparent than sound quality.

Testing methodology here...

http://www.gsmarena.com/gsmarena_lab_tests-review-751p4.php

Here are their comments...

DNA - The specially designed Beats amplifier of the HTC DROID DNA does a great job and the smartphone produces pretty clean audio output. The DROID DNA has frequency response well within the limits of what is considered excellent and garnishes it with good dynamic range, noise level and stereo crosstalk readings. The volume levels are quite impressive, too, exceeding virtually all smartphones we have tested recently and even matches some of the better tablets out there.

N2 - The Samsung Galaxy Note II obviously shares many of its music playback-related internals with the Galaxy S III as it managed to ace our audio quality test in a similar manner to its more compact sibling. The only average volume levels aside, the Galaxy Note II results came out perfect in the first part of our test. When connected to an active external amplifier, the phablet produces excellently clean output with no weak points whatsoever. Even more impressively, stereo crosstalk is the only thing to get damaged when we plugged in a pair of headphones. On that occasion the Note II produced one of the cleanest outputs we have seen from a mobile device and that includes the recently tested Apple iPhone 5. The higher volume levels of iOS flagship would probably still make it a slightly better option for audiophiles, though.
[HTC Droid DNA] uppon2:
I stand corrected. I honestly think there might be a problem with the one I was using then! Anything over 3/4 volume would make the loudspeaker pop and make a noise like it was vibrating against the plastic.....
[HTC Droid DNA] jlevy73:
Boys, you better bring the facts to a discussion with Barry :p

Using my girlfriends N2 versus my DNA with Bose earphones (with stock kernels) I really cannot discern a difference between the two. But when I use a custom kernel like Siyah's that tweaks the wolfson chipset of the N2, the N2 sounds better. So when you get into customizations the N2 edges ahead although the DNA does sound pretty good. One area where I like the DNA more is that on phone calls, the DNA is louder. Once again, not by a whole lot, but the difference is noticeable when standing on a busy street corner in Beijing.