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[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
No need. 90% of the audio discussions on XDA are battles to the death over which device has better audio output coming from people listening to 128KB ripped MP3s over inexpensive headphones. Under those circumstances all phones with decent audio would end up sounding the same. Some of the nuance that GSMArena's reporting would only be noticable on lossless or lightly compressed content over $300+ headphones or a high-end receiver. So for most people, the Beats amplifier is probably a worthy trade-off for the N2's better quality output. One big difference I noticed is A2DP playback. A friend with a DNA and I were listening to the differences between it and the N2 in my car on a couple of hour drive. The DNA was flat and thin where the N2 had better seperation and range and was brighter. The DNA was better than the Teg3 One X I had though so the Qualcomm DAC is a big step up from that. Purely subjective of course but might be nice to know for heavy A2DP users.

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I love facts. They are the anti-"my phone can beat up your phone." And I'm equal opportunity. I post the weaknesses of devices I own or favor also. ;) Hopefully at least some of the debate in threads like these help people make more informed decisions. Otherwise we're wasting a ton of server space.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Buy Other Stereo Equipment. :p

I havent heard the note 2 but my DNAs music sounds great through my astro a40s when im playin xbox.
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
And that's a non-issue for us rooted users. I'm running a custom kernel that already has the security update in it and I'm pushing 7+ hours of screen time. All is good. :thumbup:
[HTC Droid DNA] Nyxagamemnon:
Will link video side by side of Note 2 vs DNA in sound.

BTW note 2 headphone sound>DNA.

The dna sounds weak and no base/bass to it while the note 2 is a much richer sound.

These video's you can see the note 2 over shadows the DNA easily.

All HTC needed to do was this

#1) Removable battery

#2) Bigger battery 3000+

#3) Micro sim

#4) Better speakers

= much better device.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
It wasn't up to HTC on the features for the DNA. Verizon basically had them by the nuts because they wanted a device to release for the holidays. And the battery is a non issue for me, same goes with the speakers. Btw the dna sounds great through GOOD headphones.
[HTC Droid DNA] jreed2560:
Yeah who actually listens to movies or music thru the phone speaker anyway? Thru external speakers,headphones, Bluetooth the DNA blows the note 2 away. I've tested both phones and its a noticable difference.
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
If there's a noticeable difference you probably didn't match the volume levels properly or have postprocessing enabled on either device (e.g. Beats Audio), ergo the comparison is no longer valid.

In order for a comparison between two sources to be valid you need to match the output levels within +-0.2dB.

I've tested my Note 2 against a Sansa Clip Zip (a known benchmark for portable audio quality) with the output levels matched within +-0.2dB with the same track clips and could not, with confidence, tell the difference with a pair of JH Audio JH13 Pros, as well as through an external amplifier to a pair of Anthony Gallo Reference Strada loudspeakers.

I mean no offense when I say this equipment is probably more robust than what you're using and my testing methodology is likely more sound.

It's like comparing screens when you have one set noticeably brighter than the other (like they do in stores). It's a common error in comparisons.

If you can replicate a +-0.2dB output level difference and disable postprocessing (equalization and Beats) on both devices you will only hear the difference if one of them is broken. The measurements taken of the Note 2 and DNA outputs are virtually all well within the threshold of perceivable difference.
[HTC Droid DNA] ajftl:
Agreed. At least my butterfly sounds way louder and better than note 2
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
That's because you have the volume level on the Butterfly set louder. Again, the comparison is not valid.

And no, the same volume % on both devices will not entail the same volume level.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
I bet if the Note2 had a 1080 screen owners would brag about it instead of saying that you can't tell the difference. If we cannot discern the difference between 720 and 1080 way is the S4 and other phones coming out with 1080 since it makes no difference?
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
I still don't understand why the heavy scrolling and slow animations when scrolling home screens gets lost in all of this. Aside from the obvious cons, this was one of the main reasons why I didn't keep the DNA.

Maybe my standards are just too high? :o
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
Are you serious?

Look at 240Hz displays and the megapixel race. It's a spec race for marketing.
[HTC Droid DNA] iphoneislame:
Ignorance must be bliss huh? /<8)
[HTC Droid DNA] WizeGuyDezignz:
Bingo. It's all marketing and nothing else. I should know, I'm in marketing myself.

I always get a great laugh when I look at puzzled consumers when they are looking at two 13 megapixel cameras and one is $200 more than the other. They have no clue it's all about the quality of the lens and sensor much more than how many megapixels it has.
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
Says the Note2 owners. If you can't tell the difference then this tech is not for you.
[HTC Droid DNA] friend'scatdied:
No human will be able to realize the difference between 720P and 1080P on a 5" panel unless they observe both displays at 6.5" or closer. This is accounting for the naked eye with 20/20 vision. This is not an "it is because I say so" -- it's science. You can pixel-peep at eye-destroying close distances all you want; more power to you.

Given the success of the S3 people might actually forgo the upgrade to the S4 if the latter didn't have a 1080P screen.

Yes, high-end phones in 2013 and beyond will be 1080P or greater. This does not mean that it actually confers meaningful benefits.

You're worrying about the wrong things. 1080P shouldn't be the driving factor -- the quality of the display in terms of brightness, color accuracy, contrast and viewing angles should be the key points of focus. The iPhone 4's retina display was an industry benchmark for these factors, not just its resolution.
[HTC Droid DNA] themikeyan:
Running nova plus stripped out DNA setup. No stutter here, new chrome helped even more. Taking out all the sense widgets probably helped too. Love this device. To me, turning on the maxx HD and going to look for something on that is a completely perceptible difference in screen quality for me.
[HTC Droid DNA] RenegadeDroid:
To much credit for the Note 2 ?

I've read it all and.. I'm actually kinda for the DNA.. I haven't had the opportunity to play with the phone yet but it seems to something that I want. According to the thread it seems pretty obvious that you prefer the Note 2 above these 3. Isn't that because you really like the Samsung products and feeling or is your judgement really based on what you prefer to use as a smart phone (It could be that I'm not making any sense here..)

I did not use the Note 2 yet but I had to play a little with the Note and the Galaxy S3. I find the Galaxy S3 way more attractive than the Note tbh. It's big and I like how the screen feels, these things I don't find on the Note. So now you know why I'm questioning the Note 2.

For me it seems more likely to get the DNA because I want the HTC feeling (could be that its not really that special) since I already had the Samsung feeling (Note and Galaxy S3) But didn't find it something I would be pleased with, don't get me wrong! I like the phones but dislike the Samsung experience.

Anyway,

It seems that you like the Note 2, is your decision based on the fact that you love the Samsung experience ? or just because you felt like the others didn't match up with the Note 2 (can't explain it more detailed for my lack of English sorry).

Other than that, I loved reading your comparison and find it VERY interesting ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] alchemist316:
i respect your opinion but i think most reviews or at least to base a decision off it is silly person feel and eyes on is best approach if you cant decide than seeing many different opinions helps ive used all of them as well and have a choice to get them all but made a go at the dna .

my reasons are simple i have the i9300 and the evlte not is to big for me and the glass on glass is a killer i drop my phones as we all do at least i want a 50% chance of not cracking glass lol .

although cases help the nex 4 is one of those phones that looks so good u want to show it off same with the rest so like i said good review and good luck with your device
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
I went to check out the Note 2 last night, before I thought the Note 2 was huge (coming from my Thunderbolt), but after using the DNA for a week the Note 2 actually doesn't seem that much larger. The camera on the Note 2 was better, the display was actually better IMO, colors were more vibrant and unless the text was incredibly small the pixelation was very subtle. The big benefits for me will be the much larger battery and MicroSD card slot.
[HTC Droid DNA] SwiftLegend:
Verizon variant came out yesterday, the 27th.
[HTC Droid DNA] jiwengang:
I see. Thanks. But I thought in his post he has used Notes 2 for quite some time (a week?)

Interestingly, I went to two stores yesterday (28th), not looking for note 2 but for a DNA case. Non of the store has Note 2 on display...

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Is Note 2 100 dollars more than DNA on 2-year contract? It is by any means 100 dollar more for off contract also.

It seems this 100 dollar more is totally ignored in any discussion here....

Maybe for smart phone enthusiasts, finding "the one" is priceless. . . ..
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
The Note 2 actually came out today, the 29th. Pre-orders were shipped on the 27th but didn't arrive until yesterday at the earliest, most are arriving today.
[HTC Droid DNA] Ndaoud360:
I can tell a difference between DNA and Rezound screen. Rez I can see very little pixel now that I look at it. Then for old time sake I got out my inc and was like that thing is small and I thought that was a big screen when it came out. Also looking back at the DNA after the inc or any phone lower than 1080p shows you how great the screen quality is.

If you make a blurry picture your DNA background the quality of the widgets and text on the homescreen pop out and looks real nice.

The DNA is a great phone with absolutely no lag at all and could possibly do everything the note 2 can with market apps and you could buy a pen for the phone too off ebay Ive seen.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
The trouble is finding apps that work on the DNA ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] Ndaoud360:
True that but all the apps I use work for the DNA so I'm fine.
[HTC Droid DNA] jiwengang:
All in all, I just feel that going to Notes 2 is a Step Backward, not Forward.

I can't convince myself to spend 100 More Dollars to a step backward.

Like apps not supporting 1080p, it is a step backward if we just go back to some other phones that runs those apps due to lower resolution...

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That was what I thought too.

That explains why I did not see a note 2 in VZW store yesterday.

But the point again, is that I want to challenge the OP (with full respect) to try battery again using his heavy usage, with NOTE 2 running on VZW LTE network like what is for DNA when he tested it.

It is a HUGE different between using a phone on GSM even with HSPA and CDMA/LTE.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
Explain why you feel like the Note 2 is a step backwards. Personally I tried the N2 but the size, weight and plastic would not be comfortable for how I use my phone, and I also use my phone 1-handed a decent amount. Even if the phone was 10x faster than any other phone on the market and had even more features than just the s-pen and multi-window, It would not be a good experience for me to use a phone that massive for extended periods of time. I have friends who love the N2, it all comes down to preference. OP obviously loves the N2, and everything he wrote is nothing new to what's already in reviews on the internet. You could have the same 3 phones compared by multiple people and all come up with a different phone they prefer and give reasons why.
[HTC Droid DNA] jiwengang:
Agree.

It comes down to preferences largely.

IMHO,

1. It is 100 Dollars More. and 40 grams heavier, 10mm wider and 10 mm longers. With this 100 Dollars for DNA, I feel like the battery will be covered by some external battery set or something similar accessory, if you don't mind the phone becomes wider/longer/heavier.

or 100 dollars spend on case that can extend your storage (may need to wait), if the 16GB is the only dealbreaker.

2. It is 100 Dollars more, but with lower resolution. I can't spend 100 USD on Notes 2 to improve its resolution in anyway. but not saying one has to do that. just to compare hardware differences.

3. Whether the resolution is noticeable?

When I used my OG Razr last year this time, I swear that 800/480 is more than enough to me. The screen was gorgeous and I don't need anything better on that screen.

Until I saw Galaxy Nexus / Rezound I realized Moto Razr's screen is pale and poor, when you compare two together.

Higher resolution, like what happened in personal PC space, is the future, not the past.

I was debating between Nokia 822 and this phone. but when put them side by side, I have to admit that I can't go with Nokia 822's screen, even most folks are saying they love it .

4. Last one is purely personal please don't be offended.

I used to own a Motorola PDA phone with a stylus about 10 years ago. Now I still feel it is quite stupid to take the pen in front of a crowd to start typing into the phone. I may not like S-Pen for such reason.

If I want to draw and work , I use MacBook or 10-inch tablet. Not a phablet. I agree with Steve Jobs on the redundancy of a stylus.

But such are pure preferences.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I was thinking about that today regarding the stylus. Funny how we have come full circle and what was lame, has become cool.
[HTC Droid DNA] nitsuj17:
i got mocked by my friends back in 2007/8 (cant remember when it was out) for using the vx6700 with the stylus....theythought it was stupid to carry a mini computer around all day and need a pen to do stuff

granted that was pre-iphone, but i dont think my fragile emotional state could take another beatdown such as that :crying:
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
LOL. I hear ya.

At the same time, hearing about how an RUU can possibly lock you out of your unlocked bootloader state....thats scaring me off from the DNA.

Nothing like voiding your warranty AND locking your device. Waiting and watching.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
Weight and size are relative, yes it's a larger device but it has a larger screen and larger battery. If you are going by size, then one could say the DNA is a step down from the RAZR M because the DNA is larger and heavier.

The resolution is lower, but the screen size is larger. Can I notice a difference between the Note 2 and DNA PPI wise? Yes. Is it a big deal? No. Text on the Note 2 is almost just as clear as the DNA, except when you see very small text such as a full webpage zoomed all the way out. Personally I feel the brighter, higher saturated Note 2 display to look better than the higher-res DNA.

You say a few times that the Note 2 is $100 more for a heavier, larger phone with lower resolution. What you don't mention is that for $100 more you get a significantly larger battery, S-Pen, MicroSD slot, better camera, and some people would say the larger size is better.

When I was debating whether or not to get the DNA, I said the same thing. I'll just use the extra money and buy an external battery for when I really need it. When it comes down to it, you'll notice that you would rather have a larger battery from the get go than having to carry with you this external battery. Usually your battery dies when you are least prepared, such as an unexplained accident or storm that leaves you without being able to charge or go home to get your charger.
[HTC Droid DNA] JKDEM85:
I had a GSM note 2 for a week that I was using as a secondary phone. I ended up returning it and using the money to purchase a droid dna from VZW, and replaced my iphone 5 with it. The screen is gorgeous, the build quality is as close to apple that your going to get, and the battery life is not too bad. I had a 64 gb iphone 5 filled to the brim with apps and photos + 5 or 6 gb of music, but I have not felt the pinch moving to the 16gb. I have close to 50 apps on the dna already (I had android prior to my iphones for years, switched when iphone 4 came to vzw.) Sense can be annoying, and battery doesnt charge quickly or at all if you have blue tooth on, wifi on, screen on, and waze running while driving. When I started playing an audio book through audible app while driving with all the stuff listed above turned on, the battery actually discharged while plugged in to the car charger. Note the charger is 1.9 amp and charges my ipad 3 with lte hotspot turned on so just shows you how much the droid dna can pull in when that screen is on. Ultimately the DNA is a great phone, quality build, and 0 lag. I seriously don't get all these people claiming lag etc, I have used hundreds of top end phones over the years and I work with some app developers so while not a full fledged expert I understand what lag is, and trust me unless your messing with chrome you wont run into it here. I get pretty much the same battery life as my iphone 5, I can stream Sirius app all day from my desk at work without loosing more than 40% battery. Crapware sucks but not a huge deal. The Note 2 is just creaky, plastic and poor build quality. Also Touch Wiz is a hot mess in my opinion.

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Also anyone who thinks the 1080p screen doesnt do anything should check out this screen comparison

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/28/display-comparison-htc-droid-dna-vs-nexus-4-vs-galaxy-s3/
[HTC Droid DNA] xShin:
100% agreed. I have yet to experience any stutter of any sort on my DNA (granted, I've had it for 3 days, but given how much I've been playing with it, it's pretty impressive that it's been completely lag/stutter-free). I've shown off my DNA to several friends (and most of them are hardcore believers in stock Android), and they've all been very impressed by the DNA's performance. My girlfriend's sister and mom both got SIII's and I wanted to shoot myself during the entire time I was setting up their phones for them. Touchwiz is terrible (in my opinion anyway), laggy, and disfunctional. To be fair, I'm highly biased towards Sense - I don't even like stock Android lol.

In my opinion (and I'm not trying to offend anyone), I think it makes a lot more sense to have the long-press on home screen allow you to add widgets/apps/shortcuts, the way Sense has it set up. I change my apps/widgets a LOT more than I change my wallpaper.. perhaps I'm strange? I'm not sure lol.. but when I was setting up 2 SIII's and a Transformer for other people, the fact that long-pressing on home screen changes wallpaper instead of allowing you to add widgets/apps was really bothering me. Perhaps I'm among a select few, but I'd never even consider using a phone without Sense on it.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
Just use a different launcher, I use Nova :)
[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
It's just funny how you guys always defend, I mean "corrrct" the record, whenever someone has something good to say about the DNA or when someone chooses it over the N2. The screen is one of the unrivalled things on this phone but you guys poopoo it. And then poopoo Sense and the DNA's processor and gpu, and just about anything else you could conjure up.

Keep believing no one can tell the difference with the screen. That is the first thing people mention when they see me on this phone. I guess all these people are victims of the marketing scam HTC has played on us, or maybe you guys got to take off your rose colored glasses.

The N2 and DNA are excellent phones, period.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
We're really having two different conversations; objective and subjective. What you're talking about is subjective which, at the end of the day, is what matters. If you (and others) are happy then you made the right choice. My ideal phone would be a N2 with the LCD2 display from the One X. I like LCD better than AMOLED and 312 PPI strikes a good balance between detail and performance and that display has the best brightness and contrast of any LCD display to date. But we all take what we can get. Objectively, the pixel count between the DNA and N2 should be less of a deciding factor then it's being made out to be for the reasons given. Actually the difference between LCD and AMOLED is a bigger deciding factor but there's 5GB of disussion of that on the XDA servers so we don't need to go there. That doesn't mean that people, subjectively, are wrong for preferring one over the other. Hopefully the display discussions we've had help people make a more informed decision between the two devices; whatever that decision is.

But looking ahead, what are you guys going to do when HTC releases a SoLux display on the M7 in a couple of weeks at MWC? Based on the technology it should be significantly superior to existing LCD displays including those HTC's used before. And for N2 owners who knows what SAMOLED advances will be included in the SGS4 and beyond. So debating what's "best" is sort of irrelevant other than as an exchange of information and opinion as the only thing matters is what's "best" for the person forking over the cash to buy a device they'll be living with for a while. Knowing it's outdated as soon as the credit card charge has been approved.

SoLux is a patented new light technology that simulates daylight far better than any other light technology on the market. It is a high performance –halogen type technology that currently supports a variety of formats.

- Has virtually perfect color rendering index (CRI) as compared to daylight

- Greatly reduced infra-red light

- Greatly reduced ultra-violet light

- Beam uniformity
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[HTC Droid DNA] orangechoochoo:
The article you linked to a few pages back said a 1080 display won't display photos better but the advantage is with computer generated graphics, aka, the UI and most everything else displayed on the screen. You didn't mention that.

But ya, to me it's like comparing an M5 and an E63 AMG; each has their strenghts and weaknesses but at that level no matter what choice you make you got something real good.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Actually, I did.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36881928&postcount=344

And from that article...

"If you use the legal definition for 20/20 vision, the resolution for the iPhone at 326 ppi becomes a ‘retina’ display at 10.5 inches," says Dr. Soneira, because that’s the viewing distance where the image on the screen will appear optimally sharp. After about 15 inches, "the much higher 326 ppi is 'wasted' because the eye can't resolve sharpness above 229 ppi." The further away a person gets, the more gradual the reduction in perceived image sharpness.​
[HTC Droid DNA] jreed2560:
Can we please just let this thread die
[HTC Droid DNA] Nyxagamemnon:
Here this is just a basic comparison between the dna and note 2 speakers.

http://s1099.beta.photobucket.com/user/nyxagamemnon/media/20130119_004201_zps1f644d97.mp4.html

Note 2 is way louder and has more depth to the sound.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Really? Sense might be a little slow but it is very smooth. I use Nova prime though and it's pretty damn fast while still staying smooth between home screens. Scrolling is far from "heavy" on Nova.

The S3, Note 2 and DNA are all good devices, they all have their differences, I dont see why we just can't leave it at that.